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Speaker 2: Ol, Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on.
Thank you for telling a friend.
Speaker 3: And that's how we spread the word cool.
Speaker 2: What hat is that?
Speaker 3: New York pilots?
Speaker 2: All that's right.
Speaker 3: I love a game. Collegiate Baseball League.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Oakley, you're a big Oakley guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a pair of Oakley sunglasses. I was just
like the sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: I had a dream the other night.
Speaker 3: They had a sale one day and I bought a few.
Speaker 2: I uh, somebody, somebody's trying to get me to buy Oakley,
not sunglasses, ski goggles, not kidding, And I said, no,
I want to go buy these this brand knock around,
I like, knock around their glasses, their sunglasses, and they're inexpensive.
And they're like, I mean, I say expensive, I don't know,
twenty five dollars a pair. But they hold up their
knock around they could fall down. They and they a
bunch of different styles. You can get your sports teams
if you want. It's a great website. And then they
have ski goggles and things as well, and sometimes they
run package deals and I just like them. I've liked
them for a while. And uh so I in my dream,
I'm going no want, I want. It was a weird thing.
It was just this week and this is so funny.
You wear the Oakley thing. I have no idea. I
saw you hanging out with Juice Fields on Super Bowl Sunday. Yeah, yeah,
how is that party?
Speaker 3: Great spread, trevendous spread, great party, that tremendous party. Yeah,
Jet Juice want a ton of money?
Speaker 2: Look at you? Yeah you texted me.
Speaker 4: Ye his his his boiler busted the night before. Oh
my god, and he want enough money to pay for it.
And then some okay turned the super Bowl. So yeah,
I mean he's very successful.
Speaker 2: Yeah he Uh it looked nice and I it was
a fun time. He's taller than I thought. Yeah he
has tall that or you shrunk, No, No, he's tall okay. Yeah,
because I wasn't sure what expect and I felt bad
because I was invited there. I was invited to Kevin,
not Kevin's house, but Kevin's buddies and uh and then
Arnie Roth's child who uh rbtl uh said, invited me
to his he has a loft downtown and uh, I
went to none. I had just so much work in
schoolwork stuff. I didn't do any. I didn't do any
I didn't even really watch the game. It was kind
of a boring game.
Speaker 4: You know it, but it kept you in it just
because you're waiting for New England to be just.
Speaker 3: To wake up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when because I've seen Seattle play before, and
I've seen Arnold in games where you let the opponent
hang around. It's three nothing, six nothing, nine nothing. You
don't want to be kicking field goals. You want to
bury them. And eventually they they did. And you know,
of course Collinsworth is praising Drake made everybod's killing collins Worth.
I think Collinsworth does a great job. And he's like,
you know, now he's started to fight his rhythm. Next play,
Oh what do I know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Who would make that play? Patrick Mahoes.
Speaker 4: By the way, there were bets on Cashi on whether
or not Collinsworth would mention Patrick.
Speaker 3: Mahomes you're kidding, no, oh wow?
Speaker 4: And somebody asked him about it in a radio row at
the Super Bowl, and so he didn't mention mahomes once
the entire game. Yea, so people want some money on Collinsworth,
whether or not he mentioned Patrick Mahoe. So yeah, but
we had a great time. But juiced to throw a
heck of a party. He's got a beautiful house. He
took him like years to remodel it. He and his
wife done a great job. They got a nice little dog,
two great kids. My nephew and niece are terrors.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. They had like the second quarter. We
had to calm my nephew down.
Speaker 4: He's like bam, bam, he's breaking all my nieces or
his cousin's toys and stuff.
Speaker 3: You want.
Speaker 4: You want to talk about a halftime show? My goodness,
we're picking up stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, the halftimes show is the most washed halftime show
in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 3: See what controversy does? It creates cash?
Speaker 2: I guess I don't even know. Like I I watched it.
I didn't. I thought I get it, I get it.
I see what this is.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't see it. I didn't see any halftime show.
I was driving home.
Speaker 4: Oh but my wife wanted to listen to it because
she's a music person. We'll buy people she like, you know,
and so I just they played it on the radio broadcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I didn't understand it.
Speaker 2: No, I mean either, but it was okay, eating fun.
It kind of reminded me of the Caribbean a little bit,
and I thought that there was a lot of cool
things in there. When he gave himself his young self
the grammy, I was like, that's that's pretty cool, and
you know, just kind of a pitch to Puerto Rico
and Latin countries and it was all in Spanish.
Speaker 4: I mean, the people who were gonna hate it said
they hated it. The people were gonna love it said
they loved it. You could tell. But there was one
person locally who actually gave bad Money a compliment and
said that he really enjoyed it. And it's somebody that
I didn't think would say that. And I'm like, Okay,
here's a thinking person. Oh okay, here's someone who is
not just swept away by audiology. Yeah he's he's I'm
gonna give this a neutral I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Give this conservative talk show host. Yes, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna give this some Yes, it was Bob, and he
gave it. He gave it a fair shake, and he
said he really enjoyed it. Everybody else on one side
a ledger, you could pretty much figure out what their
opinion is.
Speaker 2: There was it's interesting. This is very interesting because there
are there. I had put up a clip and all
I said in the clip was I enjoyed it. I
thought it was more about unity. I thought it was
showing kind of the melting pot of what this country is,
the influences of that. I wasn't offended by the fact
that it was all in Spanish. It was all in Spanish,
so and uh, I thought it was kind.
Speaker 3: Of cool and it felt like a good vibe.
Speaker 2: And what did I care. It's a halftime show. It's
not a do you know what I'm saying, It's a
half time it's entertainment. If I didn't and I said,
you know what, if you didn't like it, there was
an alternative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, three million people want didn't have to You.
Speaker 2: Didn't have to like it, right, You didn't have to
like it, Yeah, I mean to like either one of them.
You could like both, yeah, or like both like it
just didn't matter. So I had put something up there
and man, the the stuff it went, it went flying.
Speaker 3: You know, our favorite pastime is in this country outrage.
Speaker 2: Well it was weird to me because it's it's not
you ever notice that when you're in an argument. Okay,
So whenever there's an argument and someone calls you a name,
it's basically over the argument.
Speaker 4: Isy've lost, thoughts well, yeah, proud of ideas, not because
it's resolved, exactly, because it just fell off a freaking
cliff man. There's nothing there and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: What the what the argument is about. The argument could
be about parenting, football policy, whatever it is. You go
to name calling, and it's basically like it's over.
Speaker 4: Once you reach the ad hominem portion of the program.
It is no longer a valid exactly.
Speaker 3: You've lost. Yeah, it feels okay, So I've been If
I call you an a hole in the argument, I've lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the next second you're a washed up loser
and somebody I have no care. I'll just say this.
I didn't. I don't enter into the arguments on my
own page. I usually don't look at them, but now
I'm getting notices that they that people are commenting on
these stuff.
Speaker 3: People which are really four people comment to your post.
Speaker 2: Over and over, and you know it's it's I go,
we're not debating anymore. It's like you're auditioning for middle school.
But it was Bjsha. It was an old it was
an old producer of the of a legendary morning show
in this town had gone and just said how awful
this was. And then people are putting up pictures of
Bad Bunny in address, and bad Bunny says all these things,
and I'm like, okay, when we start litigating the past.
The only thing that I saw was a guy who
seemed to be tastefully and respectfully dressed, paying homage to
the football game that his uncle played with his uncle's
number sixty four, and that who gave himself a Grammy,
which who wouldn't want to give yourself when you're a
kid going hey, hang in there, it's gonna you know,
all your dreams come true. I thought it was great.
I thought it paid it. But this, I mean, well,
to take bad Bunny, I take that side out of it.
It was like I'm watching this and I see these
people arguing, and I go when it dissolves into to
in you know, into insults. Did that person just lose
the argument? And what does it say when our leaders
do it? I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean they're out of ideas.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's kind of it kind of comes up with like,
that's it, that's the best you got.
Speaker 3: You're the guy in charge. Well, when you're one of
the people in charge.
Speaker 2: You could say things like and I think you started
to say you're out of ideas. Cognitively, yeah, you you
have nothing else to say.
Speaker 3: Or at the very least, you don't know how to go.
Speaker 2: Well, you've lost cognitive control. Yeah, right, you've got so
pissed off. And I believe me, I've been there. I
think I probably you know in the past you all
have or you don't.
Speaker 3: We all have.
Speaker 2: You don't have a stronger point left. You feel threatened,
not necessarily wrong, but threatened.
Speaker 4: I mean you think about all your thoughts, they're all there,
the end game of no more ideas? Right, every thought
you have, every idea you have, every belief you have,
is the end game that you've come to. That's the
conclusions that you've come to. There's that you don't or
you that's that's the best argument you can make.
Speaker 2: The only thing I can think too, is could they
wanted to stabilize you emotionally so your head's out of
the game, Like they're getting in your head a little
bit by calling you names.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say when President and Drum was
on the debate stage the first time, he starts calling
a little Marco Rubio or just these little you know, uh, sleepy,
sleepy joke sleep. Yeah. But it wasn't that. It was
who was He was going after Bush's brother and he
hadn't Jeb. Yeah, he had a name for Jeb, and
I forget what the nickname was for Jeb. And I
remember going, oh my god, you.
Speaker 3: Could do that, you can do I never saw that.
He never did.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that he was out of ideas.
I don't think he was. I just and that's where
I'm going. Okay, when you attack the person instead of
the position at hominem as you say, right, and so
it's basically what that is, You're attacking the person, not
the position. You've left the substance of the argument.
Speaker 3: And I go.
Speaker 2: Today, Pam Bondy is in front of Congress and listen
to this. She listen. It's it's the same thing.
Speaker 4: A guy called Bjyshay on my Facebook page washed up loser.
Speaker 3: Listen, you can let her filibuster all day long, but
not on the our watch, not on our time, No way.
Speaker 2: We clear. I told you about that Attorney general before
you start.
Speaker 3: You don't tell me. I did tell you, because you
saw what you did in the center.
Speaker 2: Lawyer not even a lawyer. Now, I would normally say, Danny,
you go to like you're down to the insult. You've
kind of hit the intellectual eject button in the argument, right,
I mean it would I would say that.
Speaker 4: Like I ever seen Lauren Babbert, who's the representative from
Colorado calling a host on CNN a washed up loser
or something like that, And I'm like, well, what was
the argument?
Speaker 3: All I know is that, like I don't know what
the argument is.
Speaker 4: I just know that, like she's just going to insults
when you have to go to the insult box.
Speaker 3: The augument's over.
Speaker 2: We'll hang on now, hang on now, hang on just
a second, hold that thought and see if you agree
with her what I'm about to say to you, because
when I saw this, I go, I'm not sure, Pambot.
At that point, they're basically telling her that We're not
going to let you run on and on and on. Well,
she has nothing she can really say to that on
any level, not intellectual, not anything. Right, you're sort of
at their mercy. So to come back and insult people
sometimes it's not because you lost, it's because you're trying
to win the crowd. Okay, you see what I'm saying.
And it's a world we live in now, and you're
trying to win the style you got it. It's performance aggression.
It's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3: Christ Colt said, so wo what did he say? Nothing?
Speaker 2: I just made fun of the rack, and I go,
that's different from intellectual defeat. This is an intellectual defeat.
This is that you can let her filibuster all day long,
but not on arguing issues. Just not on our time,
no way. And I told you about that Attorney General
before you start.
Speaker 3: You don't tell me.
Speaker 4: I did tell you because I saw what you did
in the center.
Speaker 2: Lawyer not even a lawyer, she married, she married. I
don't either. I don't know however, whoever has to deal
with that. Oh God, you can hear that like slightly southern.
Speaker 3: Tell me, are you but you washed up loser?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But when you drop washed up loser. I would
normally go, okay, once loser comes right, intellectual eject button,
you're out. You're out of the argument intellectually. But now
I'm starting to think when it when it's some when
it's someone of power, it's like it's it's about winning
the crowd and people want to see this. Well then
later on, yeah, I didn't get later on with her, Yeah, yeah,
go on, it was this about Epstein. Yes, okay, it
was about Epstein.
Speaker 3: This is all we're hearing about now.
Speaker 2: And well they're going hard at it because they think
there's more there.
Speaker 3: Now, there's a lot. But at the end of the day,
no one's going to get prosecuted for this.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's really I'm fortunate, right, it's awful.
But she go, but she's not saying like it's I
don't mean that for anything. It's like, believe me, there
are people on both sides of the aisle, yes, that
had something to do with it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we made we actually know a guy named
the Bitiness Flow. He's not he's not invulved.
Speaker 2: Bobby Slayton didn't go go ahead, didn't tell the story.
Speaker 4: Bobby Slayton is not involved in the Epstein situation.
Speaker 3: But they they went and got all the emails, or
not all of them. They're getting.
Speaker 2: They're letting us see certainty, just I think to satiate us.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, because like there's there's a lot more they're
not going to show us, and there's a lot that's redacted. Okay,
But Bobby Slayton it has since told Jeffrey Epstein he'd
rather be in Manhattan having lunch or dinner with him
than going to that crap hole Rochester to do. I
think the hell whole of roches of comedy is Rochester,
New York or.
Speaker 3: Something like that, Okay, And.
Speaker 4: You know it'll be so I'm just saying, we know
people who are like, it's kind of funny when it
hits home. U.
Speaker 2: Well, is funny. And I and and and I.
Speaker 3: Found that in that vein if he were like doing
something bad, that'd be different.
Speaker 2: I would be supposed to go to dinner with Woody
Allen and he goes, I wish I was going to
dinner with you and Woody Allen. And then I think
he Epstein was a fan of stand up comedy, so
I think he took Lewis Black to a dinner there
with him. I don't remember. I wish. I was so
tempted to call Bobby, but then I'm like.
Speaker 3: He's probably getting it from all sides.
Speaker 2: Bobby was a friend of mine and I don't even
know that we were really friends. We hung out. I
opened for him a few times. I am seed for him.
Let me rephrase that. I I don't want to say
the wrong way. I am seed the shows he did
and uh I and we hung out with each other
and he's come on the podcast graciously many times. But
he's brother Weez's friend. You know, they were tight and
uh so I don't I don't know about Uh yeah,
I wouldn't call, you know.
Speaker 4: It's just like there's he's like Sean Gruden Washington, the
Washington Redskins got investigated, and Seohan Grudge just happened to
like call de Morris Smith, the head of the Players
Association by a certain name. This was fifteen years before
they opened up these emails because of that email had
nothing to do with anything that were being investigated for.
Speaker 3: And so it becomes news.
Speaker 2: Well, yes it gets out. We can't have people we
just you just can't write.
Speaker 4: And he's the NFL and it's it's advancing, like it's
going to the next level.
Speaker 2: I don't think. My only question for Bobby is like,
how cool that you're mentioned? Like that's my thing? I go, God, damn,
you got mentioned in the file. He do it?
Speaker 3: He could play Epstein bingo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, Bobby has I would I
would absolutely bet all the money in my bank account.
That's not that much, but I would bet all that
that he never would do something like that because he
has a daughter who he loved and her mother died
and it was just her and Bobby when she was
like sixteen seven team I think she died and uh
Sasha I think is her name, and really pretty girl.
She was in a girl group for a while. But Bobby,
I just go, how could you go? And the one
I'm curious about honestly in the Epstein files and don't
want to get back to the arguing thing, Peter Tia No, okay,
Bill Gates. Oh yeah, I'm just curious about Bill Gates.
I really am. So what do you do when someone
throws an insult at you in an argument? Me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate arguing, So yeah, whatever, Okay, yep you win? Yeah, yep.
That's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't fire.
Speaker 4: I'm a douchia sourus. I just repeat what back what
they say, I'm a douchia saurus. Put it back then,
Pam BONDI said, look at the economy, Look at the
Dow Joes, look at the S and B five hundred.
Speaker 3: Okay, she's deflecting. She was deflecting basically, look at the
stock market. Why are we talking about this?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're not answering the question, right, right, Okay, Yeah,
I mean I've been in situations like that, even sort
of recently, where I've had to say to somebody, I'm
not here to litigate the past. I'm not I'm Mark mcgworth.
I'm here to well, I'm not here to litigate the past. Well,
it's done. It's done. I can't change them. I want
to have things moving forward. Yes, and believe it or not,
we're on the same page. It was a statement I've
recently made, and I go, okay. You know a lot
of people though, when that happens, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: When people argue, you need to remember you can't look
at your person like as an adversary.
Speaker 3: You need to look at them as a partner.
Speaker 4: You're a person. Yes, the person you're arguing with, you
actually want to look at them as a partner. If
you really try to solve the issue, you really want
to look at them as a partner, And that way
you'll actually But.
Speaker 2: Sometimes even in a like Okay, I thought you're talking
more about romantic relationship. No, no, no, what you're saying in.
Speaker 4: Other words, like you and I are on opposite sides
of a certain subject. You know, it's the argument becomes
more productive if I look at you as a partner
than an adversary, right, And that way we come to
a conclusion that we're we could both learn from.
Speaker 2: Who do most people our age argue with younger people?
Do you think so older people? I don't have an answer.
I have an answer. I don't know that it's a
correct answer, but I have an answer. Are people are
a people somewhere in our age? Who do they argue
most with? And I would think it's their partner, their spouse.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you meant like not exers like to
argue with millennials. No, no, no, I've phrased that wrong.
But so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: My wife and I don't argue at all. I think
it's a little weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, but but maybe you should or at least bring
things up, because otherwise, if nothing's brought up and everything's
boring all the time, a little little spark once in
a while.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're very affectionate. Get her all repd ups think
I should Yeah, boo, tonight we're going to play law darts.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when you name call it destroys progress,
then there's people who just freeze right, not thing goes
forward because they.
Speaker 3: I've been in that situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you freeze right, you can't think, well, you start
to internalize it, what is this really?
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, now you're instead of like,
you know, you're not listening.
Speaker 2: Anymore in the argument, why are you saying that to me?
Speaker 3: And then five minutes later, why didn't I say this exactly?
Speaker 2: You feel like George Costanza's here, It's like, why.
Speaker 3: Did I say that?
Speaker 2: I do that?
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that earlier.
Speaker 2: I think the people that usually win, and I think
if you're in a relationship, pay attention to this for
a second. The people that win are the ones that
can regulate and use a com tone. I really do,
even if the other person is like raising their voice
and doing things, And think back to moments in your life,
whether it be with a partner, a coworker, and anybody,
a girlfriend at one point, a boyfriend at one point,
you know, because you don't reward the insult by giving
them anything. And I even god something we were I
was out somewhere and I just thought of this. Now,
a couple argument kind of breaks out and the guy
says something to his wife like, yeah, you're such a
wherever you get to be such a mouthy bitch, or
something to that effect. And I think she said, if
we're done name calling. It was always like being scolded
by a teacher.
Speaker 3: If we're just calling accusations on it, well, that's what
it's called.
Speaker 2: If we're done name calling, and actually like to get
back to the actual issue here, which is the fact
that you're drunk and we need to go home. But
I remember thinking, oh, that's that's different. My parents didn't
do that. They were screaming at each other.
Speaker 4: I think we have more information now to understand how to.
We have more thought leaders and more information and podcasts
and people who specialize in psychology to kind of who
have written books and given us better ideas on how
to do that. Our parents' generation, like they were raised
by the World War two generation, they didn't have time
to find their innerself. I get that work on their
personal growth.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I can take that as an answer anymore.
I hear what you're saying, and I understand it, and
I will say this.
Speaker 3: It was to the mood Alice.
Speaker 2: I will say this. I think that everybody I'd like
to believe this, and I sometimes waffle a little bit,
but everybody is doing the best, did the best they
could with what they had, right, Okay, so if we
go with that, so that's it. However, the intergenerational trauma
that went on in my family, all right, we hear
about generational trauma. That's different. Intergenerational trauma. Mom and dad
fought a lot. They screamed in front of each other.
I find somebody who does that same dance with me.
I yell and scream in front of my kids. Those
kids grow up, they find somebody that doesn't. Intergenerational trauma
and it really is and it's something that just never
kind of resolves. And what you wind up doing is
this awful dance it's drinking. It's the you know what
I mean, And I gotta tell you I saw it
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but you've messed up and everyone knows, And just think
about that, firs. I don't even have to say anything.
And then I want you to imagine winning the bronze
medal and calling it the worst week of your life,
because that is exactly what happened for an Olympic Nordic
skier out of Norway. He wins the bronze and breaks down,
crying and say saying that he feels like he lost
the gold medal of life with this woman that he loved,
and he cheated on her. And he's saying this now
in national television through tears.
Speaker 3: So he just basically melted down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and from what I can gather, sad state. From
what I can gather, he cheated and then admitted it
to her a while ago, That's what I was gathering
in one story, and she knew he had already confessed privately.
But now he goes on it's national TV in Norway
and admits it and so now everyone knows. So here,
so now they're at the it's after the race, the
winners go up kind of like uh PGA when they,
you know, the golfers finished, they come up and they
sit at a dais and they get asked questions, And
this is what happened at the Olympic's Listen to this.
It's it's a pretty good You talked in the mixed
shown about about meeting your love of your life and
cheating on her. But how do you feel about it
right now? Do you think it was the right choice.
Speaker 5: Or yeah, if it's the right choice or not, But
it was the choice I made. We make different choices
during our life and that's how you make life basically.
So today I made the choice to tell the world
what I did. So maybe maybe there's a chance she
will see what she really means to me, and maybe not.
But I don't want to think I didn't try everything
to get her back.
Speaker 3: So yeah, again you.
Speaker 5: Want I don't want to steal the show today. I hope,
I hope this is just like a day or two
long thing and your Olympical Medalist forever.
Speaker 2: First, I have to say this a completely off topic
on this. The fact that you can answer such a
question in a language that is not your native language
is so impressive. To me, right, especially in English, and
English is being spoken like I didn't realize that you
have to speak English in every cockpit around the around
the world, not the country, the world. It's called aviation English,
and they try to teach that to all the crew
members of every flight around the world. So English is
kind of becoming the international language. But I'm like, that's
where when he goes, that is a that's his life.
It's it's life. Yeah, because I go. I don't know
what else. I don't even know. Can you come up
with a word that quickly? They always say you know
another language well enough when you dream in it. I've
never dreamt of another language.
Speaker 3: I've never dreamt an Italian?
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you? But can you speak it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay? But it was spoken around you, Yes, often he
could occasion and you when you were a kid, Yeah,
and you could understand it. Not really okay, all right,
I don't know. I'm just saying, like, to me, that's
that's impressive. Impressive. But here's I don't know. I don't
I don't know how I would feel if that were me.
I don't know how I would feel if I did
it and told I don't know, it's ex to me,
this isn't about cheating. It's about the confession the cheating,
and I go, people usually do it out of guilt.
Speaker 3: Well, was he caught before he admitted it?
Speaker 2: I don't think he was caught. I think he just
it was weighing on him so much that he said
to her, I have to tell you about something, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he couldn't just tell her, he had to tell
the world.
Speaker 2: Well he told her and then he and and I
think he hadn't heard from her after that. Oh, and
I think in the latest article she said that it's, uh,
it's a very hard thing to get over.
Speaker 3: That's why he was He was like trying to like
reach out.
Speaker 2: I think he's reaching out.
Speaker 3: Is it me you're looking for? But that's a terrible
Norwegian or yeah, because it's like I can't.
Speaker 2: Live with the weight anymore. Like sometimes you'll hear take
it away from that murders, like somebody just goes, I
can't take it anymore, all right, you just carried around
that guilt and after so many years, you know, or
I think I remember seeing somebody saying after they were
caught after thirty five years on the run or thirty
five years I don't even know if they were on
the run. They were probably in the same vicinity, but
no one could pin it to that person. And when
they did, through more or better technology as it was developed,
the person goes I feel somewhat relieved because I've been
carrying this around for so long that I was like,
that's weird thing to say.
Speaker 4: But Matt, maybe, yeah, I could see that psychoam plays
different games with different people. I get pretty messed up
to do something like that, of course, So I mean
the I'm not surprised by the psychology of relief. I mean,
it's it's almost like it's kind of strange to us
because we're thinking logically. But I mean, I remember, Ron
Washington was the manager of the Texas Rangers, brought them
to the World Series back to back years.
Speaker 3: They lost both.
Speaker 4: In fact, they had a lot of Buffalo Bill's jokes
because they were actually like a one hour away from
winning it one year, and then he decides to call
a press conference on a Thursday afternoon to announce that
he was cheating on his wife.
Speaker 2: Well round a third is slid home and not with her.
It's like, holy cow, serious, seriously, dude, I mean, like
what he really did. Yeah, we're all.
Speaker 4: Kind of like, you know, like Sports World was like
that was awkward. Why do we need to know about it?
Speaker 2: Right? Because it's like I can't keep continuing a lie
or or I'll say this letterman was great with this.
I control the narrative. Yes, right now. Dave was coming
out ahead of it and probably spoke to his wife, right,
but might have been forced to speak to his wife
because I think this stuff had gone on.
Speaker 3: Well, he was trying to be they were going to
extort him.
Speaker 2: That wasn't somebody was going to extort him exactly with
video or whatever. And so he came out and he
confessed it. And it is the idea of if I
tell it first, I control the narrative. I'm not sure
that in the manager's case. I wonder if this other
woman goes either you say something or I'm saying something. Yeah,
and so maybe hey, you don't know they got up.
Speaker 3: Next top ten, ex apologies to my wife for cheating.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this was Richard Nixon or Gerald
Ford or I maybe have the wrong president altogether. I
think because my father used to quote it all the
time when they have you buy the balls your heart
and mind will follow, you know what I mean. And
that's that's that's kind of it. You know, there is
argument though to not say anything in these situations. I mean,
it just is like even if you carry tremendous skill,
right and that that's a you thing, And sometimes I
think it's almost selfish to then admit it, Oh I
made this terrible mistake. Oh fuck you. You know what I mean,
A fuck you. I'm sorry for yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 2: And it's this big So then so then what you get?
Do you know that was really brave? You stood up there.
You were a brave Yeah, you know it was brave.
Is when you had your fucking pants down and you're
dick buried and somebody that wasn't your wife. And I
don't think this guy, by the way, is married. I don't.
I don't think that's the case. But and look, sometimes
a confession could traumatize a lot of people. Right If
you were married and have children and then you went
and had an affair and they find out, you could
have a really rough relationship forever there you if you
have a daughter, you could have this whole trust issue
with men after that, there's all kinds of I mean,
there's real shit that can come out of that. I'm
trying to think of couples who survived affairs. And I
know one or two that survived affairs. Yes, yeah, did
they ever? I would love to know.
Speaker 3: They turned to christ I'm not joking, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's usually when a lot of guys
do you want because you don't want to lose half
your shit and you're kids.
Speaker 4: Well, in divorce, let's be honest, the man's good the
most to lose. That's why most men are not most men,
A lot of guys are now just like I'm not
doing it. Yeah, I'm not doing it. I have the
most to lose. You have nothing to lose. Why would
I risk at all?
Speaker 2: Well, I think too, if you're gonna stay with somebody,
there's a difference between regret regret. As I got caught,
I wish I didn't remorse. Is I'm truly sorry. I
heard you, you know what I mean, And there is
a difference there, and you got to be able to
know the difference and know how.
Speaker 3: There's a thin line, but you gotta know it.
Speaker 2: But the thing that I'm kind of spins in my
head about this one is you admit it on national
TV in your country. Now, there's a good chance that
if something like that happens, the people closest to her
are aware. I will tell you that had I ever
done anything like this, you think I'm telling margin Bill? No, okay,
stick a microphone in my face, and now they know.
You know what I mean. I talked a lot of
shit out the radio. But they didn't live in the
town for streaming, right. This is this is the national stuff.
You know, your your coworkers know, her friends know, her
cousin knows, her aunt, her big mouth grandmother, everybody in
that fucking family knows. They all know, and they all
think you're a piece of shit. That's what I got.
Speaker 3: Some of those maybe crazy and reach out to the
girl he did it with.
Speaker 2: Wow, that could be future children if you if you are,
do you you know what I'm saying. You just think
of that dies on the internet future children. Well no,
Now you weren't married.
Speaker 4: Right, So wasn't it that country song before Mama was Mama?
And those guys dug up all that stuff about their mom.
Speaker 2: Oh guy, I got Mama was mom.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to dig that up. So That's where
I go was that.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of mobs who were who weren't
exactly the mom they are now.
Speaker 2: What your mom is. No, it's a weird thing. This year,
twenty twenty six is a little bit of a weirder,
weirder year than I thought. Not a bad year, not everything,
but I feel like everything in twenty twenty six at
some point is content. Go back to the thing we
talked about in the beginning, right the argument and and
how I just said, you're going for the viral clip.
It's not it's about winning the crowd. That's not It's
not about winning the argument. It's about winning the crowd.
The com person wins the argument. Yes, And you know,
the Pambondi thing wasn't really about an issue. She just
felt like, you're not gonna shut me down, you know.
And it's a powerful I am, it's a powerful I
get that, even.
Speaker 3: Though everything on Capitol Hill really is just kabookie theater.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I just feels like everything is content.
So if you're gonna do a live confession now it's everywhere.
This is a guy from Norway. It was just using normal.
Speaker 3: And he was a Brod's medallist who we don't forget otherwise.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 4: He was in the gold. He didn't get hit in
the knee with with a freaking tire iron like Nancy Carriyan.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, he didn't lose
four straight Super Bowls. Oh no, this is a there's
a Brod's medalist.
Speaker 2: I just think I don't know, man, because almost everybody
has hurt someone. And I'm not even saying through cheating,
but has hurt someone. Right, everybody I believe has hidden
something something, maybe not forever, but you hit something for
a long time, you had a secret, maybe you're holding
one now, maybe you're holding a secret whatever. I think
everybody has debated telling the truth. Do I say this,
do I not say this? What happens? If I do?
What if happens if I don't? How many times I'm
sure there's a plus minus column on a lot of things,
you know what I mean? And I don't know. You
sometimes wonder and I always thought, like a little bit,
not so much this because can he come back from
a mistake? Like I'm trying to think of people who
did have legitimate comebacks from mistakes.
Speaker 3: President Clinton, Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean if they.
Speaker 4: Let's put it this way, in two thousand, if he
could have had a third term, he would have won
hands down over George W.
Speaker 2: Bush.
Speaker 4: America was doing great, and I remember having great answers.
I don't care who he screws as long as I
get my Social Security check.
Speaker 2: See that was all seat. Now did he normalize cheating?
You know what I mean? I mean we could. I'm
just saying, and by the way.
Speaker 4: About because we'll think about it. After Kennedy, after Kennedy
who was messing around on their wife.
Speaker 2: They hang on a second. Maybe I had that wrong.
Maybe it wasn't Nixon, Maybe it was Bill Clinton. Normalized
lying could be I did not have sex with that.
Speaker 3: Woman, have sexual relations with that woman?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember going in and chopping out the
audio and being so proud of myself and leaving it
for brother Weiz who played it.
Speaker 3: Who did this?
Speaker 2: Is it great? Because they said, and I had sex
with that woman? Because you know I did not took
the did not out. I'd save that one. Yeah, it's
a I think it was Clinton that they said normalized lying.
Trust is the real podium in your relationship, and you
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other person doesn't trust you, you're up there by yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no trust, say truthfull yeah, no.
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reaching back into my knowledge of, WOMEN i think that
most women don't want expensive as much as they want
Intentional AND i think that spending money on a nice,
restaurant while impressive to really seal the, night eye, contact listening,
right paying. Attention even this story you've heard for the
fucking ninetieth time About beth and how she once farted
on her way into a meeting and everybody. Laughed, NO
i don't MEAN i.
Speaker 3: Was gonna, say is there SOMETHING i told you about
That i'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Wak BUT i. DO i think there's a lot of,
times especially let me say, THAT i think there are
women who get to a certain age and they have,
kids and they do, things and they feel like they're not.
SEEN i really. DO i think that that's a real.
THING i think it's a real feeling they.
Speaker 3: Have, yeah that's.
Speaker 4: How that's how like when the kids all of a
sudden grow up and go off the college you, got
the parents look at each other and, Go, okay what
do we have?
Speaker 3: Left, yeah kids are.
Speaker 2: Going sex becomes fuck you when you pass each other
in the. Hallway it's Not it's not a good. Thing
not a good. Thing BUT i DO i think you
want to feel, Desired oh, YEAH i want to. Go
you want to feel, hot feel, sexy you do one
hundred and nothing like undivided. Attention if you make her
feel like the only woman in that, restaurant any, dropper
you might get blown in the, car. Buddy i'm just
saying it could.
Speaker 4: Happen, okay all, right taking. Notes see my wife is.
Afraid my wife's not a Big Valentine's day. Fan, no
BUT i KNOW i gotta do So SO i get
that in our anniversary is like the weak.
Speaker 3: After, okay so so back to, back you're your.
Speaker 2: ANNIVERSARY i get. IT a lot of women will Say valentine's,
SAY i don't want to made up Holiday hallmark to
remind you that you love. Me it's kind of a shitty.
Speaker 3: Thing, however, well well it's out.
Speaker 2: There, yeah but here here's WHAT i thought, about BECAUSE
i think about like my sons all the, time AND i,
go what men are taught and not not sat down
and go let me teach you. Something but just by watching,
example your taught, performance your taught. Performance and women are
looking for and probably taught more about connection because they're
about a connection with. SOMEBODY i just have a connection
with that. Guy why are you dating? Him he's got
a fucking beer, belly his pants ride. LOW i don't.
KNOW i have a. Connection usually they also have a big. Wallet.
Speaker 4: Ill, yeah LIKE i see these beat a Big sopranos.
Fan the algorithm's got to, me. Right so you see
these pictures On twitter Or instagram of a cartoon version
Of Tony soprano in like a bath in a bathrobe
and they cut an undershirt and boxers with a newspaper
under his. Arm and then you see the women that love,
him and they're all. Gorgeous, YES i, mean it's like
there is an aura with certain. Men there is. Attractive
the looks are. Secondary it's all About it's about the.
Guy he's a, Leader he's.
Speaker 3: A James his. ORANGE i can see His Charlie Charlie,
murphy his.
Speaker 2: ORANGE i can. See but it's like it's, yeah and it.
Is there's something about an. Energy there's a way they carry.
Themselves there's in confidence to it that all that is
is part of. It and he really can't fake that.
Ship what did your dad do for your? Mom card? Flowers, no,
no no? No in? Life what did he do?
Speaker 3: Well he provided?
Speaker 2: Well he solved their.
Speaker 3: Problems, yes car broke, Down dad took care of, it got.
Speaker 2: It that is how? Men and what what did you
learn take care of your. Wife, men solve, ship, yes right, men,
men men are.
Speaker 3: Problems solve manner.
Speaker 4: Problems, well, problem we'll, say like Like i've had to
like to coach myself not to try to solve all her,
problems like when she comes.
Speaker 3: Home and she's.
Speaker 4: Venting just, Listen yeah you, don't well you know what
you should tell your cowork.
Speaker 2: Right because that's what we.
Speaker 3: Do we. Do we're.
Speaker 2: Raised, yes, yes just. Listen you know how hard that
was for me To i'm learning my first. Semester oh,
yeah first semester of grad. School, okay because in there
you're not supposed to say, anything And i'm like going to.
Speaker 6: Get to sit in the, STEW i Am, yeah you
gotta sit in the. Stew yeah DID i say? That
or do you know that you said? That OH i caught. It, yes,
YEAH i listened to. You, okay you gotta sit with
a minute that's in the.
Speaker 3: Stew well that was slow let us slow cook and
fifty MINUTES i.
Speaker 2: COULDN'T i would start. SOLVING i would be, like why
don't you just sell that bitch to you know WHAT i?
Mean or whatever it?
Speaker 3: Was and is this a way to like keep the racket?
Going week to.
Speaker 2: Week, no, no, NO i understand what you're. Saying what
the truth is is that IF i solve your, problem
the problem isn't. Solved but if you solve your, problem You're.
Speaker 3: Oh it's like leading the, horse you got.
Speaker 2: It it's like meeting the person where they are and
helping them find their own ladder on the way. Out
because and, again AND i THINK i always THOUGHT i
love this, saying AND i was never sure IF i
fully understood. It words don't, teach, Right words don't, teach
and experience, Teaches SO i. CAN i can tell you
the formula and then you apply it and it's like
it doesn't work or it does, work or you don't.
Care but when you struggle through it and figure it,
out it means more to.
Speaker 3: You, Right, like let's take That nordic.
Speaker 4: Dude, yes, okay now we talk about this in church with, salvation, Right, Okay,
well what DO i? Say, well, no it's got to
come from your. Heart if like if like this guy
cheated on his on his, Girl, okay and, Well, billy
what DO i?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 3: Okay, well if you, say well say.
Speaker 4: This, Okay i'll just repeat that it's not, meaningful like
say you're. Sorry i'm sorry For i'm sorry for WHAT
i do. Cheating i'm sorry for. Cheating it's not from the.
Speaker 2: Heart, right you.
Speaker 3: Gotta like, Help this gotta come from.
Speaker 4: You it's got to come from your, mind your, body your,
heart your.
Speaker 2: Spirit men solve. Problems women, feel they feel, shit they
feel twenty eight, everything they feel, everything and and So
Valentine's day or even a. Brain it's not about it's
not about solving anything, right like Make it's about in
some way kind of signaling you pay.
Speaker 3: Attention, yes you want to telegraph. It plant those little, seeds.
Speaker 2: Fellas you're if you're, uncomfortable plant signaling, infection you're in.
Speaker 3: Trouble plant the seed of. Love do it.
Speaker 2: Now and here's the. Thing attention is. Currency, yes attention is.
Speaker 3: Current certainly is.
Speaker 4: Now on the flip, side talk about women with feelings
and feeling things out and thinking them with their.
Speaker 3: Feelings how do they don't feel like getting me nothing
For Validide's?
Speaker 2: Day what do you? Want? Dan?
Speaker 4: No my point is Like, america like they gear the
advertising towards the. Men it's like the men's responsibility for the. Worst,
yes and then they create a sea a. Holiday that's Why, okay,
there you're going to create a second holiday At October
Cold Sweetest. DAY i don't know if you've heard of.
This this is A buffalo holiday or.
Speaker 2: Whatnot it's A polish.
Speaker 3: Thing, yeah and it's also, well That's Dingus, day that's After. Easter.
Speaker 4: Yeah but the point is that these the florists have
come up with these holidays to get men to open their,
wallets to.
Speaker 2: Spend more, money to kill something if you give them more. Stuff,
okay and you know, what but they never tell, them,
way get get it from a. Flowers get them from
a local. Flowers don't do them hundred flowers. Sucks and
if you think a fucking gas station, flowers you're already
you're already in. Trouble because if she says it's, fine guess,
what it's not.
Speaker 3: Fine who's got great?
Speaker 2: Flowers fine is the worst word she could.
Speaker 3: Say who's got great? Flowers? What Trader joe's tremendous, flowers great?
Speaker 2: Flowers, yeah Trader Joe's. Yeah, okay good, tip good, hours good, tip,
fellas here's something, else and she'll notice. This you spent
five days total of nine, hours five days and nine
hours total putting together your fucking fantasy football team and
you're gonna Freestyle Valentine's.
Speaker 3: Day can't do?
Speaker 2: It fuck you in, Trouble danny can recite you playoff
stats from nineteen ninety. Two does he know what his
wife left for? DESSERT i know That i'm not. Spoking
get out of.
Speaker 3: You well it's not the Super.
Speaker 2: Bowl well, no but but you Said, juice And juice
said to, us it's like his. Holiday oh, gosh and it's.
Amazing does he work the next? Day oh? Yeah was he? Drunk?
Speaker 3: No you should see the spread he. Had, Man i'm.
Disappin told my wife to put the desserts in the.
Purse we had a. Blast, hey, honey steal a couple of.
Those i'll leave you. Half he's on like sixteen TVs
of that, house.
Speaker 2: Thinking about, you. Honey i'm thinking about. YOU i was
thinking about. YOU i left you.
Speaker 4: HALF i, mean, well we got the Super bowl on
The Big street outs, there and then he's got like
college basketball and the OTHER.
Speaker 2: Tv it's like a, yeah it's a sports. Park yeah that's.
Awesome and NOW i WISH i had Taken jackson over.
There Jackson jackson came to my house and THEN i
wound up just staying, home AND i made many steaks
and some other. Stuff and then he looked at me and,
GOES i needed a day. Off we did two nice. Shoes,
okay all right For Dan. Barrillo for You Valentine's day.
Suckers do it right or don't do it at. All
I'm Bill. Moran we'll see you next. Time down in the,
norm we was hook they wouldn't have let us in.
Them now we land it And mamma's lock a.
Speaker 4: Bitch no Sand elvis best they bowled apart in The breastland.
Speaker 2: Game