WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:03.799 Quick update on the topic that everybody's talking. 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:04.559 About there on the show. 3 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:07.759 The Boy Scouts have changed their name to Scouting America. 4 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:09.839 Okay, so they're no longer. 5 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:11.960 The Boy Scouts, but they are around and it's Scouting America. 6 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.199 Oh all right, I think everything's good. 7 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:19.239 Then I guess, right, I guess, But you know, inquiry 8 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.440 in minds want to know Scott Mitchell on a Tuesday afternoon, Scott, 9 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:23.600 did you grow up in Boy Scouts? 10 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:24.640 That Are you an Eagle Scout? 11 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:28.640 I am an Eagle Scout. I actually have done public 12 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:33.240 service announcements in the past for the Boy Scouts. If 13 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.920 you actually type in Google search Scott Mitchell Boy Scouts, 14 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:40.439 you'll see an amazing commercial back when I was playing 15 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:41.479 for the Detroit Lines. 16 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:43.240 Please, it's a. 17 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:46.399 Travesty actually to hear what you just said. Scouting was 18 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:49.119 an amazing part of my life and I absolutely loved it, 19 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.119 and it's not what it used to be. 20 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:52.399 I didn't know any of that. Porter. 21 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:54.039 All I want you to do is get the sound 22 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.359 from Scott Mitchell's Boy Scout commercial before the end of 23 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:56.679 the interview. 24 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:57.880 Let's see if you can fire that out. 25 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:02.200 So you better be careful, Spence, because you'll be in tears. 26 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.000 It's an emotional, powerful message. 27 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:05.840 I can't wait to hear it. Look, I need to 28 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:08.000 be motivated in the new year, Scott. I'm just looking 29 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.159 for somebody to motivate me. If that's you talking about 30 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:11.599 boy Scouts, I have no judgment. 31 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:12.239 That's fine with me. 32 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.200 Oh, I could motivate you, Spence, give me, give me 33 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:18.680 ten minutes. I'll have you run into a brick wall. 34 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:20.560 I need it, I want it. Have you been traveling 35 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:22.439 during the holidays. Where you've been it's been a. 36 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:28.680 While, Yeah, I've been. I've been everywhere. Man. I actually 37 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.439 was went to the German Christmas markets. I was in Florida. 38 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:36.959 Where else I don't know. Just pick a place I've 39 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:37.640 probably been there. 40 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.480 Boy, Well, happy New Year, even though Larry David said, 41 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:45.680 I'm not allowed to say that after you know, January 42 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.599 of the fourth, I haven't talked to you and quite 43 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.239 some time, so I want to welcome you in and 44 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:51.000 say Happy New Year. Do you have any exciting New 45 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.439 Year's resolutions? You want to motivate with us? You motivate 46 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:54.519 us away without. 47 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.760 You know. I'll tell you the best advice that I 48 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:03.959 can give a person, and that is uh see the 49 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.040 end of twenty twenty five and who you want to 50 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.280 be and where you want to be. Uh and just 51 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:11.000 see the vision of that and that should push you 52 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:13.159 through the whole year. You got to start with a vision, 53 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.479 you know, that's that's the biggest thing. And uh and 54 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:21.360 and the vision will actually push you know, the tasks 55 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:24.240 you know, so like uh, you know, if you want 56 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:25.919 to be healthy, it's like, well, I got to lose weight. 57 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.000 And so you've got to see yourself as that like 58 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:32.599 person now. And without that vision, there's you have no hope. 59 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:34.159 You gotta it's got to you got to have a 60 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:36.960 clear vision of goal and you have to see yourself 61 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:37.680 there already. 62 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:40.479 Well said, no, I love it. I'm I'm ready, I'm 63 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.159 ready to roll. I've been needing this in the new year. 64 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.439 What what does your vision say Utah football will look 65 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:48.400 like come fall? 66 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:50.400 You know, it's it's kind of sad because I don't 67 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:52.439 I don't think this team was really that far off. 68 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.840 And uh, it just you know, really not having a 69 00:02:56.719 --> 00:03:02.000 veteran quarterback hurt the team a lot. The defense played 70 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.800 quite quite well, and there really wasn't a team on 71 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.960 Utah schedule or in the conference that you go. I 72 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.080 mean that's a world beater, you know that. I mean, 73 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.800 who would have thought Arizona State would have would have 74 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.879 represented the conference in the playoffs. I don't think anybody did, 75 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.599 including Arizona State. I don't think they believe. I mean, 76 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.240 it probably just went through the year and it just 77 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:24.560 kind of unfolded. But so so you don't have to panic. 78 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.280 You know, you're not that far out of it. And 79 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.840 I think the one thing that UCA has done different 80 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.000 from years past, and it's something that the prib have 81 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.599 to do moving forward is get into the portal and 82 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.120 and get get in the nil game. And you can 83 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:43.479 see other teams have had huge turnarounds from this. You know, 84 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.919 they they did a pretty good job of not losing 85 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:48.759 too many guys because there are a lot of their guys. 86 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.000 There are people people are going after, you know, Spencer 87 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:54.319 Fono and some of those other offensive linemen. Uh, you know, 88 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.840 Keanu tuon Vosta was a loss. Cam Calhoun was a loss. 89 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:01.199 But for the most part, you know, get a pretty 90 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.280 good job. And so if Utah can be a little 91 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.960 bit more explosive on offense, you know, okay, a lot 92 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.919 more explosive on offense, They're gonna be right in it 93 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.159 again next year. And what's going to be different is 94 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.560 the formula for Utah was find these guys that fit 95 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:23.600 our program, fit our profile, and we'll develop them. And 96 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:26.120 they've done a tremendous job, probably the best in all 97 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.319 of college football. But they don't get that luxury anymore. 98 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.800 Those guys that they've kind of been mentoring and developing, 99 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.600 those are all the guys that left. All the backups left, 100 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.879 and so you've got to be able to have systems 101 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.399 plug and play pretty simple. You're not going to be 102 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:47.360 able to kind of create that building culture that you 103 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.040 have in the past. But teams have prove I mean, 104 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.079 Arizona State's a great example. You know, you get the 105 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.959 right combination of players in the transfer portal, you're going 106 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.319 to do well. Even Colorado, who was a doormat and 107 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:03.600 it's entire existence in the Pac twelve, turned it around 108 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:07.759 in a lot. You know, Okay, Dion's one thing, but 109 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.120 they went heavy into the transfer portal and it just 110 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:15.639 gives you a chance to really find talent. You got 111 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.920 to create the right chemistry with the talent you find, 112 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.519 but you can turn around quickly some. 113 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:22.839 Good stuff in there and actually a couple of things 114 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:24.759 about the question I was going to follow up with, 115 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.279 and that is, and there are a lot of programs 116 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:29.639 like this. I was doing some I was doing the 117 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.040 impossible task this morning of trying to figure out what 118 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:33.879 the Big twelve will look like next year. And I 119 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:37.120 was digging into some Ky State stuff. And you know, 120 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.639 Utah football and Kansas State football in a way, scott 121 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.480 are very similar because they are recruit and develop and 122 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.240 the success in the past where both of these programs 123 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.800 have come with second, third, fourth year players, these are 124 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.319 not programs that turn things around one year at a 125 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.519 time with transfer portal additions, because both their coaches believing 126 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:58.120 the same thing. 127 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:00.560 So, if I'm understanding directly. 128 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:01.959 Do you think it's time to look at a different 129 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.040 approach because maybe the old school recruit develop, win with 130 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.439 your two, three, four guys is no longer a reality. 131 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:11.079 Well you have to and and and you know that 132 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.560 if you're a Utah fanan you probably should be excited 133 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.879 about what's happened. That the roster next year I think 134 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.720 is going to be like fifty three percent new players, 135 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.000 more than they've ever ever had. And so you know, 136 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.839 Utah is just not sitting on its you know, hands 137 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:30.240 and digging, you know, digging, you know, a line in 138 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.079 the sand and saying no, we're gonna you know, they're going, Okay, 139 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.360 understand the game, and we're going to play the game, 140 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.360 and we're at least going to give ourselves a shot. 141 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.279 As far as the conference next year, I don't know 142 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.839 that it's going to change. I don't know that it's 143 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.160 ever changed. I mean, the Big Twelve is always a 144 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.680 crap shoot. And you know, I think your smart move 145 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.759 is whoever they pick not to win, that's who you 146 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.680 want to write, right exactly, that's the team that's gonna 147 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:59.040 do well. But what you have is you have a 148 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.879 lot of programs that are trying. And I like that 149 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.399 and I appreciate that, you know, Texas Tech went out 150 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:09.639 and got aggressed, and you see Arizona State really you know, 151 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.240 trying to turn a corner. And and so there's a 152 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.160 lot of competition in the conference. And I think the 153 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.959 Big Twelve was massively underrated a year ago, and I 154 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:23.759 think they'll continue to, uh, you know, get a little 155 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.639 bit more more love with what's going on. But I 156 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.000 think Utah's put itself in a position to do well. 157 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.120 You know, I was saying about this today and it's 158 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.839 kind of the question, but it's it's a little off topic. 159 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.800 You know, they everyone's worried about the playoffs. You know 160 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.839 they get the formula right, do they? Do? You know? 161 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.759 Should they? Is there too much rust? Is there? You know? 162 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.079 They pick these teams and they have these blowouts and 163 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.560 you I don't think I don't think you should change 164 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.759 it at all. And where where you're going to have 165 00:07:54.839 --> 00:08:00.000 to change it is these conferences are so big. Now Utah, 166 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:02.480 there's gonna be four teams in the conference next year, 167 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.879 Utah is not gonna play and and they may be 168 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:07.839 good teams, so they be bad teams. So you just 169 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.199 get the luck of the draw every year? Are you 170 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.040 do you get the good teams you're gonna have to 171 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:13.800 play or the bad teams? Because you take a team 172 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.279 like Indiana and it's the same in the Big Ten, 173 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.199 it's the same in all the conferences because they're so big. 174 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:22.800 So Indiana probably played a bunch of garbage teams all year. 175 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.600 Maybe they weren't really that good and and uh, you 176 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.319 know they've kind of just got the right draw for 177 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:33.039 the better schedule and that helped them out. If you 178 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.559 really want to fix it. You know, have all these 179 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:38.320 teams they they all have to play each other in 180 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:43.120 their conferences, or you don't start ranking teams until maybe 181 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.039 when the when the actual college football playoff ranking comes out, 182 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:52.399 because it's a huge advantage if you get ranked high 183 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:56.440 early and you have a crappy schedule like an Old Miss. 184 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.000 You know, I don't know how good Old Miss was, 185 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.279 but man, they were sure ranked high, and they rode 186 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.840 that ranking through most of the season, even though they 187 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.399 really didn't play anyone all year, and some of the 188 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.279 teams that were supposed to be good, like the Alabamas, weren't. 189 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:16.679 So it's a little misleading to have these subjective preseason 190 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.879 or early season polls, especially in these conferences where everyone 191 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.600 doesn't play everyone all the time. And if you wait, 192 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:25.360 you're going to have a better idea of who the 193 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:27.120 really good teams in the country are. 194 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.960 Yeah, I mean for sure, I've been using this line 195 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.440 on the show the past couple of weeks because I'm 196 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.320 just realizing really how new all of this is for 197 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.600 anybody in the ecosystem of college sports, whether you cover 198 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:42.519 it and talk about it like you and I, or 199 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:44.759 you're coaching at it. Let coach wait, or you're playing 200 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.759 in it, or you're an administrator like Mark Carlin, We're 201 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.519 all experiencing this for the first time, and because of that, 202 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.679 it makes it really hard to predict what it's going 203 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:55.960 to look like even tomorrow, let alone in a few months. 204 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.440 So I keep saying like I prefer to diagnose instead 205 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.240 of prognosi sticate about what could be because it's impossible 206 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:02.679 to tell. 207 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.480 But when it comes to how Utah. 208 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.320 Is, to your point, completely changing over the roster in 209 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:12.360 one year, this is another new thing where we'll have 210 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:16.879 to diagnose instead of prognosticate. But forty one new faces 211 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.399 for a program, as we've already talked about, that's found 212 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.840 its way through the world of college football with the 213 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.080 ability to recruit and develop, recruit players that aren't as 214 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.039 highly thought of elsewhere and make them the best possible 215 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:32.600 players that they can be. So what's a realistic expectation 216 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.960 to be able to change over fifty three percent of 217 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:38.639 your roster, bring in forty one new players and then 218 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:42.159 have an expedited timeframe to do the development because they've 219 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:46.320 got to be ready to go Game one in the fall. 220 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.200 You know, it really falls so much on coaching and 221 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.919 coaching and that you've got to bring in new players. 222 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.879 You've got to have your systems that really are kind 223 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.000 of a plug and play. It's hard too, because you go, 224 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:03.919 you know, well, I hope this guy fits what we 225 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.159 do and and you know, so recruiting to what your 226 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:10.600 system is. I think that's part of what was appealing 227 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.559 with Jason Beck and bringing the quarterback from you know, 228 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.759 the Devin Dampier because he knows the system, you know. 229 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:22.039 So that transition I think really helps with with a 230 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.879 new coach and and with the with the new style 231 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.080 of how how everything goes. Because the quarterback really is 232 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.279 the guy that drives all of it. And if you 233 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:34.320 get a quarterback that can make plays for you and 234 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:36.960 do well, you're going to have a shot. And that 235 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.559 that's the biggest key. Like it's it's not even close 236 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:44.320 to the impact the quarterback has on a game versus 237 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.000 any other position on the field. It's not like, you know, 238 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:50.720 the same as it's it's significantly higher the kind of 239 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:53.279 impact the quarterback has. So it's all about coaching and 240 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:57.080 getting that right quarterback. And I think Utah's headed in 241 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:00.679 that right direction, and then that system really has to 242 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.960 be and I hate to use the word dumb down, 243 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.559 but it has to be one where you know you 244 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.120 can pick it up relatively quick. Is that the players 245 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:12.720 don't have that many practices. They don't have that much time, 246 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.919 uh to to actually work on You know, the NFL 247 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.320 have OTAs. They spend a whole season in the off 248 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.120 season learning and perfecting. And you hear these teams that 249 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:25.240 do well and they'll tell you that the OTAs or 250 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:29.039 what makes their season, what makes them successful. Maybe that's 251 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.000 one of the changes that has to happen from this 252 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.440 is like, all r if you're gonna give you all 253 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.559 these new players every year, we got to have more 254 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.200 time with them. And that's hard too, because all these 255 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.480 coaches are out recruiting, so it's it's a real burden 256 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.360 on a team. But the statty teams will be the 257 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.440 ones that find that right quarterback in the system to 258 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.360 really give you at least a chance. 259 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.120 You know, all right, let's see here. 260 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.559 I want to move over and do some NFL Scott 261 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:57.279 before we because because actually know what, I had one 262 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.440 more Utah question for you, because I realized when I 263 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:02.799 saw you on the rundown today I have not interviewed 264 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.960 you since the news broke that Kyle is coming back, 265 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:06.960 the coach, wo is coming back for year twenty one, 266 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.200 and it was one of those things that we had 267 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.200 all debated all year long, and one of the things 268 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.200 we would debate is whether or not the outcome of 269 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.840 the season would have any bearing on what Kyle decided 270 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:19.559 to do. And part of me believe the answer to 271 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:21.399 that was no, because the man does not. 272 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.120 Need to prove anything to anybody. 273 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:25.879 His resume speaks for itself, and what he's done for 274 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.840 your top football speaks for itself. Now, there does appear 275 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.159 to be a faction, whether you want to call it 276 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:35.360 the vocal minority as opposed to the sylum majority. I 277 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.320 don't have a percentage on it, but I have heard 278 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.600 from people and have talked to people that believe it's 279 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.919 time now to implement this succession plan and it's Morgan's 280 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:44.639 time to go. 281 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:45.879 I can't speak to it. 282 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:49.120 Like I said, I'll diagnose, I'm not prognosticate, but I 283 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.039 haven't talked to you since Kyle decided to come back. 284 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.320 Were you surprised? What was your reaction when you heard 285 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:54.240 the news. 286 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.759 I don't know that I was surprised completely, you know, 287 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.759 you try to gauge people's answers or their mode, or 288 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.919 their their temperament, you know, because because we interviewed him 289 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:08.399 every week and and talk to him and and uh, 290 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.720 you know, you're trying to read are you just worn 291 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:13.919 down because this has been such a crappy season or 292 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.480 you just kind of worn down because Zilver? And I 293 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.440 didn't really sense from him like he didn't have that 294 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:23.120 fire or that competitiveness, or or that he was like, 295 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.519 you know, I'm kind of done. And I think that 296 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:29.519 was I don't, you know, I don't even think maybe 297 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.200 this would be the last year for him. I just 298 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.000 I just don't. I still think there's scass in the tank. 299 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.639 I still think there's fire in the tank. I think 300 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.639 he's reading right what is going on with college football 301 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.440 and where the program needs to go and what they 302 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.879 have to do and and it and it feels like 303 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.519 they're making that attempt to do it because you never 304 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:51.960 know how things will turn out. But but at least 305 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.559 they're they're reading the room right, and they're they're making 306 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.720 they're making those right moves and and I just get 307 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.679 a sense that it's it's not about well, I want 308 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.360 to end on a good note, it's man, I slow 309 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.320 coaching and I want to win, and I'm just still 310 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:10.240 there and that's where I think, that's where I think he. 311 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:11.919 Is, all right. 312 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.039 I was excited when I saw that you were going 313 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:15.519 to be on today because I had to kick the 314 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:18.960 tires with you, you know, watching that Sunday night Lions Vikings 315 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:23.000 game and this wasn't even a playoff game. Okay, like 316 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.879 it was a regular season game, but to watch and 317 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.080 listen to some of the scenes around Ford Field, it 318 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.679 felt like it was a super Bowl for that fan base, 319 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.919 and it potentially was the biggest football game held in 320 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:39.440 that city in a number of decades. And we know 321 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.000 the deal. You know, they they have never won the 322 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.320 big thing. They've never they've never won the big They've 323 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.120 never been to the super Bowl. Of course, they've never 324 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.440 won the Super Bowl. And I just needed to know 325 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.240 because your best years as a pro they were in Detroit, 326 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.600 and you had a love hate relationship with the fan base. 327 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:57.559 I think that's fair to say, but you have a 328 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:00.840 unique perspective on the city of Detroit, the football fans 329 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.519 of Detroit. What would it mean to them if Dan 330 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.879 Campbell can traverse his way through the playoffs and actually 331 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:06.320 win this thing. 332 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:07.240 What would that city do. 333 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.720 The city would petition in the NFL to be to 334 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:17.279 change the Lombardi Trophy to the Dan Campbell Trophy. He 335 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:24.360 has literally done a masterful job of mirroring and matching 336 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:29.279 and engaging the fan base. And it's this blue collar mindset, 337 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.840 and it's you know, look, we don't you know, we're 338 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.320 just we're really three yards in a cloud of dust 339 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.879 kind of thing. We're tough, we're gritty, we're all these things. 340 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.279 And I think what really helped Dan Campbell understand that 341 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:44.480 as he played there, he played for the Lions, and 342 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.559 he didn't play on some teams that were any good. 343 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.399 But he's just done a masterful job of getting the 344 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.840 city in the community to buy into him and his players. 345 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.399 And he's got some great coaches around him, and they 346 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.960 picked the right players who've done really well, and they've 347 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:01.080 really done a great job of kind of fitting what 348 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.799 they do into the player's strengths, especially Jared Goff, and 349 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.680 he's just been like, I'll tell you, if there's anything 350 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:13.000 that gives you any indication of how great Dan Campbell 351 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:17.079 has done, is they they are actually channing for and 352 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.599 cheering Jared Goff and that never, I don't care who 353 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.839 the quarterback is, that never happens in Detroit, and so 354 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:30.920 that city, like literally it would be the most insane 355 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.880 change or or celebration, or you know, it could it 356 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.759 could literally you might have to bring in the military 357 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:43.559 to calm that place down. Some of the most passionate, rabid, 358 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.680 amazing fans and they've been there. I've been back to 359 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.200 games since I retired, and they have alumni times or 360 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.759 you know, you go back and visit and the team's 361 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.119 terrible and the place is packed. There's a there's a 362 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.400 a badge of honor, and there's this a massive love 363 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.640 for the Detroit Lions from Detroit Lions fan. I meet 364 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.519 them everywhere, I mean everywhere in the country. It's like, 365 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:10.119 oh yeah, I'm a Lions fan. You know I live, 366 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:14.599 you know whatever, and uh uh, And you know what, honestly, 367 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.519 I wouldn't. I would be so happy for those people. 368 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.319 If there's ever there's ever a fan and a fan 369 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.480 base that deserves to win a Super Bowl, it's the 370 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:29.400 people into they literally need to have the support and 371 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.000 everyone in the country pulling for the Detroit Lions to 372 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.799 win a Super Bowl Vegas. 373 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.319 The up to date Vegas odds out of the FanDuel 374 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.680 Sports book. As Detroit is the favorite currently heading into 375 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:46.279 the Wildcard weekend, Kansas City is two, Baltimore's three, Buffalo's four, 376 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:48.960 and Philly is five, then there's a massive drop off 377 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.160 Vegas essentially saying there are five teams they think can 378 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.319 win it, so Vegas thinks they're the favorite. 379 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:55.880 DoD Scott Mitchell agree. 380 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.920 Well, you mentioned the craziness of the atmosphere and to 381 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.119 have that home field advantage all the way through the 382 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.119 Super Bowl. They really play into it and they feed 383 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.559 on that that hometown. It's a real thing. And I'm 384 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.640 telling you, there's there's nothing more electric than a really 385 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.440 fired up Detroit Lion fan base at a home game. 386 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.119 It's it's as good as it gets anywhere in any sports, 387 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.079 at college or pros. And and to have that and 388 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:25.759 for this team to you know, they've had a lot 389 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.039 of injuries on on their defense and to still be 390 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:32.240 playing well and and the quarterback has just been magnificent 391 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.359 and he's got weapons. You know, this is this is 392 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.960 a team that's capable. But they're capable in their brains too. 393 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:43.759 You know, they they they've been to a championship game 394 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.799 and they bounced back from that this year. Teams that 395 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:49.599 kind of have the fatigue and they have a let 396 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:52.240 down from not getting to the Super Bowl or or 397 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.200 losing the Super Bowl. You can'd of see that with 398 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.279 San Francisco right now. But this team isn't It's on 399 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.000 the rise. It's belief level is as good as it gets. 400 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.079 You know, Kansas City probably isn't as good as they've 401 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:05.519