WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:05.480 You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton. 2 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:21.440 Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you, welcome to everything 3 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:25.280 out there and joining me tonight on the phone. It's 4 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.480 Jared King from Jared King TV. Great YouTube channel. Tells 5 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.960 a lot of Appalachian stories over there. He's gonna favor 6 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:35.439 us with some tonight. Jared. How you doing. 7 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:38.200 I'm doing pretty good, brother. How you making it? 8 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.399 I'm making it great. Thanks for joining us on here. 9 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.799 Right after Halloween. Still spooky season for me, though it's 10 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:46.159 that way all year round. 11 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:49.600 Oh brother, I know the failing. I like that spooky 12 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:50.119 side of it. 13 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.520 They're in Appalachia, Southern Appalachia. It's full of it. As Mike, 14 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.079 Granny used to say, there's a hate never holler. 15 00:00:58.439 --> 00:00:59.799 Boys. She sure wos rid on. 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.560 Yeah. She grew up in the Cage Cove area and 17 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:05.879 she said mountains, it's beautiful and stuff up in there. 18 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:08.000 But I said, don't let it catch you out after dark. 19 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.719 And that's when she's added, there's a hate never holler. 20 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.560 But I believe it. There's all kinds of stories down 21 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.760 There's so many legends and spooky stuff, and not only that, 22 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.239 superstitions and omens and warnings and portant. She was a 23 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.680 nowadays they call her a granny witch. But uh she 24 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.359 told fortunes, red tea leaves, coffee grounds, all that kind 25 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:34.959 of stuff. But uh, oh man, Uh thankful that I 26 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.000 have that side. Uh have that kind of upbringing on 27 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:40.879 that side. It's you know, that was my normal. I 28 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.359 didn't know any better, right, So tell us a little 29 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.920 bit about yourself and what all you've got going on. 30 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.799 Uh. Well, like you said, I'm Jerry King TV. And uh, 31 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.640 I just I've always loved I mean ever since I 32 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:56.799 was a little o'be fail, you know, in the mountains. 33 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.680 I grew up in the hills of Tennessee, and I 34 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:01.680 grew up up in an old cabin, you know, when 35 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.519 I grew up around my grandparents and you know, theird 36 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:10.000 friends and cousins and things like that. And I was 37 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.080 usually the odd child out there, you know, I was 38 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.199 you know, I was that young, and everybody kind of 39 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.120 wondered about it because I was the one. Instead of 40 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:20.800 wanting to play, you know, I set around the list 41 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.000 of folks tell old stories exactly. 42 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.360 And you and I are cut from the same class. 43 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:30.360 Brother, absolutely, man. And you know, and I absorbed these stories, 44 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.280 you know, and I loved them. I couldn't get enough 45 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:35.759 of them, you know. And then when I started YouTube, 46 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.199 you know, I done a little bit of this a 47 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.479 little lad tried a little bit of ghost hunting. That 48 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.560 didn't work out for me, and turned out I was 49 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:45.719 too scared. I'm a brave feiller, but my feet don't 50 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.319 know it, you know. And so I got into the 51 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:54.319 storytelling stuff, you know. And that's what everybody told me, said, 52 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.840 you know, that's that's what you're supposed to do. Stick 53 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:58.919 with that. And I've been doing it ever since. 54 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:01.240 And it looks like it's working out for you. Last 55 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.800 time I looked you had I was a thirteen point 56 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:07.159 five k subs over there. Yeah, yeah, I hopefully we'll 57 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.199 get you some more over there tonight. I started out 58 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.599 doing the spooky stuff and the scary stuff too. I 59 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.639 had thirteen past midnight and I just recently passed thirteen 60 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.520 thousand over there. But I kind of fell into this 61 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.560 missing person thing backwards. I'd always had an interest in 62 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.919 it from early childhood. When Dennis Martin went missing. That happened. 63 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.000 I was living in Knoxville at the time, same town 64 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.719 as Dennis, and I remember that being big news, and 65 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:33.159 I went out and looked for him on the little 66 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.360 country road that we lived on. I'm thinking, well, we 67 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:37.800 don't live that far from the Smokies, but it was, 68 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.240 you know, close if you were driving. But got out 69 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.800 there on my little swinsting right and looked around for 70 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:45.680 him and been looking ever since. 71 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:47.159 You never know, you know. 72 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.039 But I'd done some videos over there about people that 73 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:54.159 had gone missing in the Smokies and that just really 74 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:57.360 took off and ended up doing some other things, and 75 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.319 then ended up with my own channel now doing that 76 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.599 sort of thing and probably gonna hit one hundred thousand 77 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:10.199 subs right around Thanksgiving or so so and my response 78 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.840 has been great. Course I've been with another channel, built 79 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.919 over a quarter million over there, and then had a 80 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:19.639 falling out with my business partner, so I started my 81 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.240 own channel in I think I started this, I want 82 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.879 to say February or March. So I'm doing pretty good 83 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:29.120 to hit one hundred k in just a few months there. 84 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.240 So I love what I do. I love the storytelling. 85 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.399 I love pondering about those missing people and things, but 86 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.040 still love those Appalachian stories. I've got a video over there, 87 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.319 creepy tales and legends. Yeah, I remember that along the 88 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:49.439 Appalachian Trail or near it. Now you're if I remember 89 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.480 research working you're in Goodlssville, Is that right? 90 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.199 McMinnville, Mcmanville. 91 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:59.040 Okay, my geography is where is that in regards to Nashville. 92 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.720 It's about about an hour and a half south of Nashville. 93 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:08.639 Okay, she's down close to what is down there Mississippi Arkansas, 94 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:12.160 very close to the border there on the southern part. 95 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.199 Well, like I said, it's uh, it's kind of Middle 96 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.279 Tennessee on the eastern side, just right on the Appalachian 97 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:25.519 edge there. Yeah, everything that's probably maybe maybe three four 98 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:29.600 counties away from the you know, Georgia Alabama line area. 99 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.480 Yeah, that's beautiful down in there. No, I love. I 100 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.120 grew up in East Tennessee, born and raised there, but 101 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:41.279 my dad came from Middle Tennessee over on the Cumberland Plateau, 102 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.959 the plateau they used to call it over on the 103 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:49.240 Cumberland Plateau. He was in h. Finches County, right outside Jamestown. 104 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.399 It used to be called ben Stockton, Tennessee. But Jamestown 105 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:56.319 and Exton. But a lot of a lot of stories. 106 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:59.360 I mean, that's that's some hard scrabble Appalachia over there. 107 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.279 They didn't have run of water, had out houses and stuff, 108 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:09.920 didn't have electricity until they but you know, those people 109 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.759 made it. They were resourceful. They knew how to farm 110 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:14.480 and how to hunt and fish. 111 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:16.399 And oh yeah, you know a lot of folks said that, 112 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:21.120 you know, they was just poor, you know, just lazy people. 113 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.319 And I said, now, you know the Appalachian people, you 114 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:28.879 know was you know, they was strong ingenuity, you know, 115 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.920 just pioneersh people. You know, you know, they come in, 116 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.720 you know, from all around the world, you know, different 117 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:39.319 you know, origins and stuff. Everything, subtled the in, cleared 118 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.360 the land and worked the fields and the mountains and 119 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:44.000 everything else and made it. 120 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.000 Yeah, they had to. I mean there wasn't wasn't much 121 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.160 else you could do. They survived, you know, the wars 122 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.040 and the Great Depression and oh yeah, a disease and 123 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.759 famine and all kinds of things, and just they're resilient. 124 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.319 Hillbilities are resilient and resourceful. I love being called a hillbilly. 125 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:01.480 That doesn't be at all new. 126 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:02.879 I take that and pride. 127 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:08.519 Yep. So a lot of curiosity these stories that you 128 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.680 tell is that stuff you heard growing up or where 129 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:13.519 do you come across what stories at? 130 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.160 A lot of them is. And like I said, from 131 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.399 the time I, like I said, old enough to sit 132 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:20.279 around and listen to them old stories. You know, I'd 133 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.319 sit around and listen to them. And sometimes, you know, 134 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.439 I'll forget a story and something will happen that will 135 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:27.800 remind me of one. You know, I'll tell it, you know. 136 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.920 So you know there's a ton of them that's from mine, 137 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:35.279 you know. But as I got going along, you know, uh, 138 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.399 somebody shared one of their experiences with me once, and 139 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.759 like I said, I love the Appalachian stories and the 140 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.079 you know, I love the spooky side of the mystery 141 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.000 side of it too, you know. But like I said, 142 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.920 I love just the good old days stories about that too, 143 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:53.279 you know, just the history, you know, how people survive, 144 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:55.920 you know, like you was talking earlier with the you know, 145 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.399 through the Great Depression. You know, folks wouldn't live, you know, 146 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.040 back then, they woudn't have made it if they hadn't 147 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.439 it dependent on one another, you know. And I just 148 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:08.040 loved all them stories. And somebody shared a story with me, 149 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:10.240 and I got to think, and you know, well, it's 150 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.800 not just my aplash in history. It's everybody's in the 151 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:16.720 Appolasian Mountains and stuff. So I started telling people, you know, 152 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.600 if you'd like to submit a story, send it to me, 153 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:23.680 and man, it exploded. I said, I some of them's 154 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.439 my stories. And I said a lot of them submitted 155 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.680 stories and it's just I said, it's just amazing. 156 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:32.279 Yeah, I love it. That. That was the way my 157 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.600 first book came about Strange Things in the woods. That 158 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:38.440 was stories that I collected from family and friends and 159 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.480 friends of family, and a lot of those people about 160 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:43.480 nine nine percent of people in that book that I 161 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:47.200 got those stories from, they've passed on. But you know 162 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:50.519 a lot of that it's just if I didn't tell it, 163 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.519 it wouldn't get told, That's right. I kind of took 164 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.600 that mantle on myself and thought, you know, I'm not 165 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.159 going to let these stories die out because a lot 166 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.360 of people there their home, kids, their wives and stuff, 167 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:04.480 they didn't know, didn't care about any of that. And 168 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.399 I've had people tell me stories and have their wife 169 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.879 sitting there and say, you never told me about that, 170 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.000 and that's you know, that's just a wonderful thing. And 171 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.039 I've got a lot more that was just I picked 172 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:16.679 the thing for the book, and it was stuff in 173 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.440 the woods. Not all of them are scary. Some of 174 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:22.159 them scare the pants off of you. But some of 175 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.039 them are poignant, some of them are funny, and some 176 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.639 of them are just downright sad. But there's some scary 177 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:31.000 stuff in there too. But I've got enough I could 178 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.919 do other volumes, strange things in the sky, strange things 179 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.320 in the water, strange things in the barn. 180 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.960 You know, like you said, there's just so much about it, 181 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.360 and that's you know, that's one thing I loved about 182 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:46.679 the history is there's no shortage of stories of any kind. 183 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:51.120 Yeah, absolutely, And I love going into those different little 184 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:52.960 communities and stuff. And like you said, there's a real 185 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.399 sense of belonging there, especially in Appalachia, some of those 186 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:00.240 little hollers and stuff. If you don't belong there, they'll 187 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:03.159 let you know that you have no business here. But 188 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.519 the people there, they do. They look out for one another. 189 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.279 There's just a real sense of belonging there, a sense 190 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:12.440 of community, and then they help one another out. But 191 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.559 I've lived several different places in Tennessee, and I lived 192 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.600 way up in the tip of extreme northeastern Tennessee, little 193 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.159 place called Mountain City, and a lot of history up there, 194 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:28.080 a lot of creepy stuff. Fiddler's Rock. I don't know 195 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:29.960 if you've ever heard that story or not, about the 196 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:31.720 old man that used to sit out there and play 197 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.840 the fiddle and charmed the rattlesnakes and then got bit 198 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.720 to death. And you can still hear him playing up there. 199 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.879 I think that's upon Roan Mountain or in that area. 200 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.360 Another guy that I knew up there, he offered to 201 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.080 take me to a cave upon Roan Mountain where he 202 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.600 said there was a spider as big as a house cat. 203 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:53.559 And he's talking about the body of the spider was 204 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:56.159 as big as that ain't even counting the legs. And 205 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.600 I thought pass on that one. I thought, I don't 206 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.120 like spiders, don't want one that big. But he said 207 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.480 in that cave where that spider was right is right 208 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.320 at the mouth of it. He said there was like 209 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.600 chipmunks and squirrels and stuff like that in there that 210 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.360 it had cocooned up to eat. So that's frightening that 211 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.559 there might be a spider that big run around anywhere, 212 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.000 especially in the hills of East Tennessee. I think I. 213 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.879 Believe it's something in the spraying water makes maybe. 214 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:27.759 Maybe some of that moonshine that they make down there 215 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.039 had that too. My dad's side of the family, they 216 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:37.759 were lawyers and educators and uh, moonshiners and farmers and storytellers. 217 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:42.279 They in the wintertime when they couldn't farm what not, 218 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.320 they'd sit around the woodstove. Had a big, old pot 219 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.600 bellied stove at my grandmother's house over there. They'd sit 220 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:49.799 around there and that's when the tails had come out. 221 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.159 And man, I missed those days. I lived for that 222 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.120 kind of too. 223 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:57.559 I was talking here a while back in one of 224 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:01.039 my live streams and and uh, it's started rumbling outside. 225 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:02.440 And I told him, I said, you know, what's that 226 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:04.039 kind of put me in the mind of being young 227 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.879 and again, you know, it'd come up a storm or 228 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:08.799 something like that. You know, we'd all bundle up in 229 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.440 the house, you know, and as young as you know, 230 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.720 we'd be sitting in the floor and everything, like you said, 231 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.320 usually ran a stove or something, and here come the stories. 232 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.960 Yeah. And then was my maternal grandmother. There's the same way. Now. 233 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:25.639 They were in East Tennessee, but they had had a 234 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.720 dairy farm and then the truck farm too, and she 235 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.039 had a big old farmhouse. And then after they quit 236 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.440 the dairy business and all that. She had nine kids, 237 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.840 my mom and nine boys. I'd tell you I couldn't 238 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:39.519 get away with anything. When I was a kid. My 239 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.480 mom knew all the boy tricks. Put at her house. 240 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:45.720 In the summertime, once it got dark, we'd get out 241 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:47.759 on the shadow screened in porch on the front of 242 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.440 the house. We'd sit out there and that's when the 243 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:52.879 stories come out. And then in the wintertime, set in 244 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.960 the living room there around the old stone fireplace, and 245 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:58.919 you know, it'd be creepy. I wouldn't even want to 246 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.440 get up and venture to the bathroom, you know, or 247 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.519 somebody asked you to go upstairs and get something. It 248 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:07.639 was creepy up there too. Had all these pictures sitting 249 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.200 around of some of the boys that her sons that 250 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.080 had gone off and fought in World War two and stuff, 251 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.000 And even though they were all still alive at that time, 252 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:18.600 there's something about them pictures looking at me. I didn't 253 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:19.559 like the upstairs of. 254 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.960 That house, yea, I'll tell you, man, there's something about 255 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.279 some of them old pictures like it. I don't know 256 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.519 what it is, but it did some of them. Like 257 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:28.200 you said, it'll just give you the wheelies. 258 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.840 Yeah, and up there you walked upstairs, you turned on 259 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.679 the light, and that's just egh is everywhere. There's pictures 260 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:38.759 on every flat surface, you know, And uh, Nope, didn't 261 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:42.879 like it, but as they just love the stories and 262 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.519 just there's such an oral tradition like that in the South. 263 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.279 You can go into all these different little communities and 264 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.440 they've got a lot of the same stories and legends. 265 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.080 They just tell it a little different. Like I couldn't 266 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.080 tell you how many places there's a white woman that 267 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.679 walks on the side of yeah, woman in white rather 268 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.960 or a crybaby bridge. There's a bunch of those dads 269 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:08.360 and the variants of that, and vanishing hitchhikers and those 270 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:11.120 kind of stories, and I just love it. Man. Now, 271 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.519 have you ever been up to Jonesboro to that International 272 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.480 Storytelling convention that they have up there? 273 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.080 You know, I have not, Like I said, I didn't 274 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.720 even hear about it too, probably about a year ago. 275 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:23.679 Yeah, I've been there in the audience. I've never gone 276 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.519 up there and told stories. I've been invited, But maybe 277 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.799 someday I'll get back down there. I'm in New England now. 278 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:32.240 I've been all over the place, went from Tennessee to Florida, 279 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:38.399 to Las Vegas, to Oregon, Washington State, back to Oregon, 280 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.639 then to New Mexico, and now I'm in New England. 281 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.320 So a lot of history up here, to a lot 282 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:47.759 of houses or seventeen hundreds and things. I'm really really 283 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.279 getting into it and finding so much local stuff here. 284 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:53.919 And basically any place in New England is within a 285 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:57.039 day's drive, so that's awesome too. I think I'm going 286 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.000 to have to create a separate channel for all that stuff. 287 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:02.399 Hey, I'm telling you, brother, I said, that's one thing, 288 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.120 you know, I've told people, Uh, I said, I love 289 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.080 you know, I love any history in general, not just 290 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:12.279 Appalachian history. I love all history. And I've told him, 291 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.799 I said, but you want some old history, I said, 292 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.440 go over to the old country, you know, over our nameland. 293 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.519 You know. Yeah. There's there's a guy that comes to 294 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:22.919 one of my some of my shows named Ted Branston. 295 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.759 He lives on a farm in Scotland and uh, some 296 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.039 I think his barn or one of his sheds or 297 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.840 something like that, seven hundred years old. Seven hundred years. 298 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.240 You know, that's it's amazing, and that's not even that 299 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.279 old over there, so. 300 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:37.399 Till young. 301 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:42.240 Yeah. Now, I went to the UK in the early eighties. 302 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.120 I took a gap year between high school and college 303 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:49.559 and spent the better part of a year hitchhiking and 304 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.039 backpacking through the UK. But I want to go back 305 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.000 now that I don't have to walk everywhere, right, to 306 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.480 train and take a little bit more time and then 307 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.960 see everything. There's just those lay lions and the standing 308 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.879 stones and oh yeah, so much ancient ancient history over 309 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:09.440 there's a lot of haunted things and I can't wait 310 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:10.039 to go back. 311 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.039 Oh yeah, man, I said, that's definitely one thing that 312 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.000 you know, I definitely want to see one of these 313 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.919 days is you know, the UK and place. You know, 314 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.279 I want to see some of the old castles and 315 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.320 things like that. You know, I just add, I just 316 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:24.960 want to see it with my own eyes, you know. 317 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.279 Yeah, And I want to go back to Stonehenge. I 318 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:29.960 didn't get to spend a lot of time there, but 319 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.960 you know that that's ancient. I mean, there's that's yeah, 320 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.559 pre civilization almost there. The Druids and the Celts and 321 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:41.519 all those people in there, and there's other stone standing 322 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:43.759 stones and stuff over there. Another place I want to 323 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:48.639 check out called Atterley Edge, and it ties in with 324 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:51.639 the King Arthur, the Merlin legends and stuff they're supposed 325 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.440 to be. I think it's a hundred knights in there 326 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:58.399 on horseback somewhere in a cave on the mountain there. Well, 327 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.519 they are waiting for Arthur to return to the throne 328 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.039 so they can wake up and come and fight for England. 329 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.400 Man oh man, amazing. 330 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:12.000 But have you written a book or have any plans 331 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:12.759 on writing one? 332 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.759 You know, a lot of people's asked me. You know, 333 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:17.279 I said, uh, you know, are you going to write 334 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.720 a book or anything? I told him, I said, you know, 335 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.319 I said, uh, I said, honestly, I said, I'm just 336 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.160 just dumb old, you know, backwoods country boy. You know, 337 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.440 I said, never really even given a thought to it, Uh, 338 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.720 I said, even if if I wanted to, I said, Lord, 339 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.200 I wouldn't even know where to even begin to even 340 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:35.839 start to have it published. 341 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.759 Well, just so happens, I started a publishing company. My 342 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:42.119 wife and I I'll. 343 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:42.440 Talk to you. 344 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.319 I'll talk to you about it offline. I'm speaking maybe 345 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:46.960 me and you ought to do a book together. I 346 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.000 think we'd have a good energy and synergy there. If 347 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:54.720 you will right there come up with something amazing, and 348 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.119 I'd love to have you as as one of our 349 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.319 authors for Society Publishing. 350 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:01.559 That'd be an honor. 351 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.720 Well, we'll talk about it. But I was talking to 352 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:06.720 my wife about that today. We listened to some of 353 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.279 your videos and she's like, yeah, I think that'd be great. 354 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:10.960 Huge. 355 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.960 Yeah, But I really love what you're doing over there, 356 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.160 And if you don't mind, would you favor us with 357 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:20.680 a story or two here tonight on the ground zero 358 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:21.519 Radio Network. 359 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:26.640 I'd be honored. I actually got one I was talking 360 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.759 about here not long ago to a buddy of mine 361 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:33.480 about that said a long time ago, and now I 362 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.480 reckon this happened up on around toward the northern side 363 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.000 of Grundy County, Tennessee. Now I reckon this happened back 364 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:44.720 in I think it was about the mid nineteen forties. 365 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:50.240 Said that as this old feller him and his name 366 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:54.599 is Abram, and his brother Ray and said that they 367 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:58.000 was mule skinners. Now, well, a lot of folks don't 368 00:18:58.039 --> 00:18:59.720 think of you know, they think that's something mean to 369 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:01.680 Anne most or anything like the have, But that's not 370 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.039 what that means. Back then, that just meant mule skinning, 371 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:10.400 meant somebody that just you know, worked with mules. Well said, 372 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.359 they got you know, hard out for miss Feller that 373 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:16.759 wanted them to come in and clear out some land. 374 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:19.359 He bought a low patch of land, you know, stayed 375 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.039 a little old, small, little bitty small having on him 376 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.880 and said that he got it somehow or another, but 377 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.400 he wanted them to clear cut it for him and everything, 378 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:31.920 you know, on Hallow Timbrow. Well, they hissed the mules 379 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.720 up and took off and with up her. Well, when 380 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.480 they got up her, you know, they was people up 381 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:39.319 here and you know, cutting them down. They was logging now, 382 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:43.400 and said they had a one little beauty failure up here. 383 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:47.319 Real young, you know, said that he was following around 384 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.160 every word and everything, you know, during his best. He 385 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.599 didn't really know much, but he was trying. Well said 386 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:55.160 they stopped and took him a break, you know, and 387 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.440 said they's get him drink of water and eat them 388 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.559 a little bite, you know, and say it was midsummer. 389 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:04.200 And Well said about that time, said that boy come 390 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.680 over and tell them, said there's a spot over there. 391 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:10.240 He said, it just looks different from the rest of 392 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:13.480 the ground. He said, I can't explain it, he said, 393 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.720 but I just keep you know, being drawn to it. 394 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:19.160 Well said one of the older heads there, you know, 395 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:23.720 went over and got and pointed out to him. Said 396 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:26.200 he looked down at it and everything said. They walked 397 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.720 back over and he said failers. He said, we got 398 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.240 a grave on our hands. Well said. They went over 399 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:35.359 and talked to the boss man about it, and he said, well, 400 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:37.799 he said, about the only thing we do. He said, 401 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.000 just cut around it. Don't disturb nothing or anything, you know. 402 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:42.839 He said, I can talk to the county see what 403 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:45.559 they want to do and everything, you know, the landowner 404 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:49.759 and stuff. Well, I reckon everyone. Old Ray and a 405 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:51.960 few of the older fellers told him, said, Nasser said, 406 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.359 we ain't doing nothing on this land. The more he said, 407 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:57.680 you never know, said it might be more thanks like that. 408 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:00.680 He said, oh no, I said, ain't you know, said, 409 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.759 don't see no more spots like as probably just that one. 410 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.839 So they said, well, you know, said he says in 411 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.359 the good books says you know, you can disturb the 412 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:14.319 rest of the dead, so we ain't doing that. Well say, 413 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:16.200 he told said, well you can work or leave. Well, 414 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:20.359 they started, you know, getting them usual to leave, and 415 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.680 and did you know, well I reckon that young feller 416 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.759 and a couple other guys, you know, they stayed, you know, 417 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.119 had to have the money back in you know. Well, 418 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.519 they said. A couple of weeks later, you know, said 419 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:35.839 they sent out the house so that the old young 420 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:41.119 feller come by there. He said, boy, he looked rough. Mercy, 421 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:46.559 he looked rough. Said he just awful, pale, dark rings 422 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.359 under his eyes, you know, they said, asked him, said, lord, 423 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:54.039 you know what's wrong with you? Said yaling. He said, no, 424 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.960 I ain't ailing, said, just can't sleep, said none of 425 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:03.279 us can. They said, wow. Well, apparently after they had left, 426 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:05.680 you know, they told them keep you know, keep on 427 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.319 cutting and stuff. Well, they brought a team of horses 428 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:12.599 up here to log them, you know, logs out of there. 429 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:17.480 Well said that they you know, was logging them out 430 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:19.279 and everything. Well said, all of a sudden, the horses 431 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:22.319 was getting spooked for no reason. Said they didn't want 432 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.920 to listen to them, and said they you know, jump 433 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:29.839 and everything else and kick all kinds of stuff. You know. Well, 434 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.559 they said about that time, said one of the guys 435 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.079 told him, said we're gonna have to remove his stump 436 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:39.319 over here. Well said, they got over and they said 437 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.440 they hit change, changed that old stump, stuff and everything, 438 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.200 you know, don't got them horses over and says the 439 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.160 pull and stuff. Well that stump come up and everything, 440 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:50.400 and it hit that grave. Well said when it did, 441 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:53.000 they said there was a scream echoed cross that where 442 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.599 they's at there, and said a cool breeze that just 443 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.279 they say, it was almost like ice, you know, come 444 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.079 through there and said every one of them stopped and 445 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.839 said them horses just froze, you know. Well said they 446 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.200 got him in there. So they finally, you know, got 447 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.799 to leading them horses out of the way and stuff 448 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.599 and everything and saw what they'd done. Well, they got 449 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.759 the boss man over again, and they called it to 450 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:19.559 somebody from the county come up out of the corner 451 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:23.240 and stuff, you know, and said that they just halted 452 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:26.319 all work. You know. Well after that, they said that 453 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.039 none of them could sleep, said couldn't sleep or wink, 454 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.240 said every time they'd go to sleep, said they'd see 455 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.319 that man that you know, they was in that coffin 456 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:39.319 there that they uprooted, said they'd see him or come 457 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.519 a riding, you know, and said that they all start 458 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.119 to run, said they all have the same dream, so 459 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.359 they'd all start to run. Here he'd come a riding, 460 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:49.480 you know, said you know, dirt falling off of and 461 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.599 stuff and screaming that old scream that they heard. Andy 462 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:54.759 said they try to run, but every time, said he'd 463 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:57.599 grab them and said he'd pull them into that hole 464 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.079 where he was buried, and said they wake up, and 465 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.960 said they do that, and said, you know, they just 466 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:04.640 couldn't sleep. 467 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:06.200 Well. 468 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:08.759 I reckon Old Abram and o'd a talked to their daddy, 469 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.039 which was a preacher man, and said he told him, 470 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:14.920 said what them boys need to do. He said, every 471 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.519 one of them that was there, easy to go back 472 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:21.880 in there, said build him a pine box and put 473 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.079 him back in the same spot, ask the Lord for forgiveness, 474 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:29.079 and ask him for forgiveness, and said they said he 475 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.200 told him, say all right, I'll let everybody know. And 476 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:34.440 I reckon they did because I reckon said they was 477 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:36.839 trying to figure out who the feller was through old 478 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:41.160 census and stuff down the county and said they all 479 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.799 went in together and Bill built him another coffin, like 480 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.880 you know. They put him in it, and the landowner 481 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:49.519 agreed to put him back in the same spot and 482 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.039 said when they did, they said they done exactly what 483 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.240 they told He said, everything went back to normal. And 484 00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:58.240 I thought that was a pretty wild story right here. 485 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:01.079 That's some story, and that, like you were talking about, 486 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:03.200 you hear a story and it jogs your memory. One 487 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.440 I heard that reminded me of one that i'd heard 488 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.799 that I forgot about. There was a guy over there 489 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:12.599 around where my dad was from named Ray Hicks, Spade 490 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:13.480 was his nicknames. 491 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:16.400 Yeah, yeah, I've heard heard him. 492 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:21.559 He's he was around him and and some guy had 493 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:24.079 a still set up out there in the woods somewhere 494 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.200 and had to walk several miles to get back in 495 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.799 there to it. They've been back there to there still 496 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:31.200 one night and they were coming out and they got 497 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.799 kind of tired. Now, of course they've been in the 498 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.759 mash a little bit too, so I don't know how 499 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.799 much that affected the story. And they sat down on 500 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.000 an old log there by the side there was just 501 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:45.640 a dirt road, sit down the side of the road 502 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:50.440 on a log there to take a rest. And so 503 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:53.799 they looked around and the one guy was sitting on 504 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:55.799 one end. Ray was sitting kind of in the middle, 505 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.359 and on the other side of the ray there was 506 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:02.279 a woman sitting there beside him with no head, and 507 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:06.680 she had on like a Victorian style clothing and long 508 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.839 dress and stuff. They got up at it run, I 509 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.599 mean to beat hell out of there, and it had 510 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.000 chased him. Whatever it was, it wouldn't run him after him, 511 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.440 but it was flying after him. And they have heard that. 512 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.279 You could go where that happened, and there's still pine 513 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:23.480 trees that have bent over where they ran through there 514 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.200 trying to get away from this thing. And heard the 515 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:31.240 spade tell the continuance of that. He was at his 516 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.559 mother's house one night and he was upstairs. He slept 517 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:36.640 up like in a loft that they had there in 518 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.519 a cabin, basically what it was, and he heard somebody 519 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.720 coming up the stairs and he thought it was his mother, 520 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.960 and he looked up and it was that headless woman. 521 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.039 And he hadn't been drinking that time, he said, And 522 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.640 he said, I didn't know what to do. He said, 523 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:53.480 I covered up my head and prayed that the old Lord, 524 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.200 you know, saved me from this whatever this thing is 525 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:59.960 that's after me. And then finally I reckon he got 526 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.880 enough to look out and she was gone. But you know, 527 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.160 what's that all? But that sounds like a family curse 528 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.960 or a bloodline thing or somethingause apparently, and uh well, 529 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:12.559 he was in the thick of it too. He was 530 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:16.759 a prisoner of war during World War two and they 531 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.880 tortured him, left him for dead. And I think he 532 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.079 had a he had a purple heart, maybe a Congressional 533 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.039 Medal of honor. The boy he could tell some tales. 534 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:31.240 At one time, my father owned the house that Ray 535 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.119 used to live in and heard all kinds of stories. 536 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.799 A man was just a legend over in midle someplace. 537 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:41.279 They had him, put him in jail for something, probably 538 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.279 public drunkenness or something, and he ended up running off 539 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.519 with a jailer's wife. She brought him something to eat 540 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.039 and he got the sweet talking, and she led him 541 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.400 out and they took off together. He was a character. 542 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.000 But I met the man lots and lots of times, 543 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:00.920 and he just he'd get that up a thousand yards 544 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.079 there though. You could tell he was reliving some of 545 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.200 that stuff when he was talking about the scary stuff 546 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.400 as well as the horrors of war. And I remember 547 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.359 one time they had an interview with him, and I 548 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.079 think it's the Jamestown paper. And he was talking about 549 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:20.519 his son. He had a son, and he said, this 550 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.400 is my boy's world. He don't live in my world. 551 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:26.759 I live in his. And just you know, he just 552 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.279 he was full of just a wealth of knowledge and 553 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.119 old sayings and stories and stuff. I wish I had 554 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.920 more stories from him. 555 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.759 Oh yeah, you know. And you know that's one thing too, 556 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:38.839 I've always told a lot of folks about you know, 557 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.839 when you said that kind of reminded me the older folks, 558 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.480 you know, the older generation as I call him, you know, 559 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.640 the elders or an older head wanted a wiser head, 560 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.920 you know. Uh. They had a way of putting things 561 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.720 and wording things that just two or three words, you know, 562 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.440 could just make you, you know, see the world a 563 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:57.000 different way. 564 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.720 You know. Yeah, a lot of smarts, a lot of 565 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.720 horse sense. They called it common sense. There's people over 566 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:06.319 there that I don't know if they ever went to 567 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.119 school or not, but you know, they knew how to 568 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:12.440 do all kinds of things. They could predict the weather. 569 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.680 My dad could do what they call water witching. Yep, 570 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.759 it was a willow branch, a pork willow branch. He 571 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:24.240 could find not only water, but like buried pipes and 572 00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:26.640 things like that. I've seen him do it, and I 573 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.960 tried it, and I tried everything in the world, Jared 574 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.359 to keep that stick from pointing down. It was a 575 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.559 fresh branch, and the tip of that pointed down so hard, 576 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.920 and I was trying to keep it from pointing down. 577 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.039 Then it stripped the bark off in my hands. So 578 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.240 there's something to all that. Now. His mother, she was 579 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.920 kind of these days. They'd call her a granny witch too, 580 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.240 that was, and I think she was born in eighteen 581 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.319 ninety two, eighteen ninety five, something like that. I was 582 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.880 a late in life, unexpected baby. My dad was born 583 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:03.279 in nineteen twenty one, and they called it. She was 584 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.599 a They called her a yarb doctor over there. She 585 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.920 was an herb doctor, but it bordered on the granny 586 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.799 wedch stuff. She also ran the post office, cut hair 587 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.720 and pull teeth and could whip up some kind of 588 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.680 herbal medicine for you. 589 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:19.759 Jack of all trade. 590 00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:23.680 Yeah, and uh well, my dad had some stories. They 591 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.799 used to drop the mail off on the train as 592 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:29.519 the O and W was the line that went through. 593 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.359 There's oh Naida and I don't remember what the other 594 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.279 what the w part was, but he'd have to go 595 00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.720 and uh pick up the mail to the train to 596 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.039 go by and throw the mail off and he'd have 597 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.160 to bring that back to the house. They had to 598 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.839 post office set up on the front porch had a 599 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.799 little half door like a Dutch door. When they're open, 600 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:54.400 you could come there and then get your mail. And amazing, 601 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:56.759 you know, the absolute middle to know where that the 602 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:01.319 farm still exists. The family farm wasn't own it now 603 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.960 They farmed tobacco and corn. I think over there and 604 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.240 nine hundred and ninety acres. I believe it is borders 605 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.440 on the big South Fort National Recreation Area that's on 606 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.359 the Kentucky side. They lived on the Tennessee side of 607 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.960 it right there, and that whole area over there, it's 608 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.599 just steeped in mystery and stories got Grimsly and clark 609 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.839 Range and Old Nida. Now now they deny it, but 610 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.039 there's a story that first movie theater that opened in 611 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.279 on Naida, people piled in there. They didn't know exactly 612 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.440 what they're about to see. The curtains parted, the screen 613 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.440 lit up and it was a picture of a movie 614 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.319 of an oncoming steam locomotive and people ran out of 615 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.319 the theater. They thought they not to get it run 616 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.720 over by the train. Now they deny that, but from 617 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.079 what I've heard, it really did happen that way. 618 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.519 Well, you know, I mean, if you've something to think 619 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.799 about it. You know, folks never seeing nothing like that, 620 00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.200 you know, other than just a regular you know, picture 621 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.039 ever now and you know something is coming like here, 622 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:03.559 something coming right, animal or the. 623 00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.240 Lights up and here comes the train. Let's get out 624 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:13.000 of here. And over there in that same area there's 625 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.079 a place called helen Wood, and they had some kind 626 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.519 of explosion over there something where they were coal mine. 627 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.759 It was literally hell in the woods. That's how they 628 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.519 came about that. And there was a guy that had 629 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.279 thought overseas in World War One and he had seen 630 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.680 some Chinese statues and things like that. Decided he was 631 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.359 going to make his own. And he got in a 632 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.079 remember what kind of rock he had, probably sandstone or 633 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.240 something over there, something you could carve easy, right, and uh, 634 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.640 he got in the cave over there in the back 635 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.680 of his property and carved a statue of the devil. 636 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.319 And people came from miles around to see that. They 637 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.400 exhibited there at the depot, and uh, people started coming 638 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.480 from Nashville and places like that to see the devil 639 00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:00.960 is the Tennessee devil. I've got a story about that. Yeah, 640 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.759 in a big pine box looking thing. It's got its 641 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:08.960 hand covered, its crouch up, and people thought it was real. Yep. 642 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.480 I said. We went to uh the old Scotts County 643 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:15.359 jail here a while back, and we was up. I said, 644 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.160 it's right on the Tssee Kentucky border there, you know 645 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:21.359 Scott's County is. And we was up there and they 646 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.920 got a big old uh see what was it? I 647 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.079 got kind of like a mural lock and everything of it. 648 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:28.799 And I was looking at that, and I was thinking, 649 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.000 when I want a neat world, is that? And they 650 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.000 got to reading about it and everything I that I was, 651 00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:33.920 that's neat. 652 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.480 Yeah, they charged, I think at the height of its popularity, 653 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.000 they charged a quarter to go in the tent and 654 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:41.640 look at it. Back then, a quarter was a lot 655 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.079 of money back in a day's wages. And yeah, you're 656 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.759 talking about meal skinners before. Yeah, a lot of people 657 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.440 misinterpret that. All that meant was that was somebody that 658 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.960 was a meal team driver. The skin the meal. They 659 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.000 meant to outthink it, you know, to skin it, to 660 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.160 trick it into doing what you wanted to do. Because 661 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.359 that old saying stubborn as a mule. 662 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:05.480 And twice it smart. 663 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.960 My dad, they had mules over there, that's what they 664 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:16.719 worked the farm with. Plowed, you know, old fashioned plow, 665 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.519 you know, pulled behind a couple of mules and the 666 00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:22.119 guy walking and pushing it along. But there's so much 667 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.760 history over there too, used to find arrowheads and things. 668 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.320 And the one story here telling me about the grave 669 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.920 there that reminded me of another story I've got in 670 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.760 there where a guy was sending his boy down to 671 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.159 the creek to get some soft earth so they could 672 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.639 work on their garden. Work their garden spot up and 673 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.519 there was a mound of dirt there that was halfway 674 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.679 to the creek that was real rich. And the kid decided, well, 675 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.920 I'll stop there and shovel some of that dirt, save 676 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.840 myself some trouble. Well, turned out that was an Indian mound. 677 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.519 It was a burial mound, and he was digging that 678 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.320 stuff out of there and scared him, you know, and 679 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.280 his dad told him, no, don't be getting no dirt 680 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.760 out of there. That's his ave Americans buried in there. 681 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.880 Don't want to put that on the guard. And heard 682 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:15.639 of another story like that where a guy was digging 683 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.800 around under an Indian bluff and there was some people 684 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.760 had been buried under there, and he heard something that 685 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.280 sounded like geese, and he said they surrounded him all 686 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.639 the way around, and it got louder and louder louder 687 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.000 and scared him off, and he wouldn't go under there anymore. 688 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:33.679 And then on the family farm that I was talking 689 00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.159 about there, my brother was over there one Thanksgiving when 690 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.519 he was probably wasn't quite a teenager yet, eleven twelve 691 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.239 years old, had a couple of cousins who were supposed 692 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.119 to be coming over for Thanksgiving too. Well, he'd walk 693 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.639 down to the bluff. They had a big bluff on 694 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.440 their property there, and we used to find pieces of 695 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:56.199 flint and then they'd started working and pot shards and 696 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:58.679 things like that under there. Well, he was down under 697 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.039 the bluff and he heard talking, but he could couldn't 698 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:03.840 quite make out what they were saying. Well, he thought 699 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.719 the cousins had shown up because my parents and him 700 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.000 had got there first. So he walked back up on 701 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.920 the bluff and didn't see anybody, but he heard the 702 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.360 talking again, sounded like it was coming from under the bluff, 703 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.679 and he said, well, maybe they went down around the 704 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.039 other way. So he went back down there still nothing there, 705 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.519 and he could hear the talking again, and he got 706 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.559 spooked and left out there there wasn't he said, he 707 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.840 couldn't understand what was being said, but he could hear distinctively, 708 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.000 hear people talking. And this is like I said, out 709 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.880 in the absolute middle of nowhere. 710 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.159 Yeah, when you were out there in the middle of nowhere, 711 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.480 you know, that's when you know something's wrong. Which you know, 712 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.079 that's why I told a lot of folks you know 713 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.599 here in the mountains and stuff. You know, us mountain folks. 714 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.000 You know, people was used to the mountains. You know, 715 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.559 we know all the sounds critters made and things like that, 716 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.199 and you know the creeks, you know, and everything like that. 717 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.079 When folks tells you, you know that they hear something 718 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.559 that's strange, you better raise nyebrow. 719 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.440 Yeah, I've heard stories of like a fox can make 720 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.960 it sound like a baby crying, and supposedly some of 721 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:11.239 those big cats can too. And one of the spookiest 722 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.760 sounds I've ever heard, even though I knew what it was. Uh, 723 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.760 sometimes in the summer evening about sundown, a rabbit we'll 724 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.000 throw its head back and makes some kind of it's 725 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.679 almost like a whistling warbling sound or something. And the 726 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.519 first time you hear that, that'll raise the hair on 727 00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:26.800 the back. 728 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:30.039 And yeah, it will, well, it will, I said. Yeah, 729 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.280 there's a whole lot of you know, animal stuff. And 730 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:35.000 you know, like you said, the old cats and them 731 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.239 old painters, you know, or the old time they caught 732 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.360 them a painter, you know, yeah, painter cats, And yeah. 733 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.079 I heard heard lots of stories about them. 734 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.320 And you know they can holler and scream out and 735 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.559 sounds like a woman boy, and it'll it'll raise a 736 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.000 hair on the back your neck. But so like I said, 737 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.280 you know, they're familiar with them sounds. They know what 738 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.639 it is. So when they tell you there's something in 739 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.320 woods that don't belong, you better listen. 740 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:02.800 Yeah. And and over there County they've had sightings of 741 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.639 some big creature. I don't know if it's bigfoot or what. 742 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.079 But that farm, that one of the farms that joins 743 00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.960 the home place over there, a guy cut his leg 744 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.199 with an axe or chainsaw, or something, and they had 745 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.119 to call it an ambulance. And when the ambulance came 746 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.880 out there through that old gravel road back in there 747 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.400 had the sirens going. And the guy that had heard 748 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.840 that said he heard some kind of animal back in 749 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.519 the woods hollering back. And he said, years later he 750 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:33.239 was watching a documentary things on the Discovery Channel, the 751 00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.159 History Channel, was something about Bigfoot, and he said, the 752 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.559 stuff that they'd captured on there, that was supposedly the 753 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.039 yips and the owls that those cryptos make, he said, 754 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.039 that's what that thing sounded like out there in the woods. 755 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.719 So I tell you what, there couldn't be a better 756 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.280 place for it than out there. 757 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.599 Oh yeah, thats for sure, you know, because you know 758 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.400 here in these old mountains and stuff, you know a 759 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.119 lot of the land and you know kind of like 760 00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.480 you know, up and around the Smoky Mountains areas, and 761 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.559 you just like the middle and eastern part of Tennessee especially, 762 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.920 you know, there's so much, you know, just vast woods, 763 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.039 and then you know there's old caves and stuff that 764 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.679 ain't ever been you know, explored, and stuff. You know, 765 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.679 there's no telling wat's out there. 766 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:18.000 Yeah, I agree, one hundred and ten percent and some 767 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.480 stuff you don't want to find. Some stuff's better left alone. 768 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:24.000 I think as big as house cats. 769 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.440 Yeah, that's a big no for me. That's not Mary 770 00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:26.639 for you. 771 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:31.519 Yeah, right there it is. Got another story you'd like 772 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:32.280 to tell us? 773 00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.519 Well, yeah, uh, talking about one while ago, I said, 774 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.840 kind of reminded me. Uh it's Moore said that. Uh 775 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.079 he said when he was real young, you know, and 776 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.840 I reckon it. I think it's happened back in the sixties. Uh. 777 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.960 He said. He was a good buddy of my uncle's. 778 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.360 I said, he was telling me about it once, said 779 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.960 he moved into this little house and he said, when 780 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.840 they first got into that house, he said that, you know, 781 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.440 he said, just had that vibe. You know, it just 782 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:03.599 didn't feel like home, and it didn't want you there, 783 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.280 you know, like you was you was invading, you know, 784 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.519 and said that he said, boy, he said it said 785 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.679 in the first night, you know, he said, even when 786 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.599 they got there, he said, minutes just seemed like ours, 787 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.880 you know. He just time was just different around that house. 788 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.960 Well said that that night he said something started shaking him, 789 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.199 saying get up and run. He said, boy, I listened 790 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.719 to he said, I got up. He said, I tell 791 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:32.599 of that of that house. He said, I was screaming, 792 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.639 bloody murder. He said, I run out of that house. 793 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.920 He said, broke the screen door, plumb off the hinges, 794 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.199 he said, running out, screaming. He said, Mom and Daddy 795 00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.519 run me, damn. He said, I was telling them what happened. Everything, 796 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.559 he said, Well, Daddy said he looked all in the 797 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.280 all over the bedroom. He said, didn't see you know, 798 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:54.239 and everything. So so he figured I was just making 799 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.360 it up and said he told me. He said, boy, I 800 00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.599 btter I can hit you doing that again, He said, Daddy, 801 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.159 I I promise you it's true, you know, said to him, 802 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.199 said get back to bed. He said, well, next day, 803 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:09.639 same thing, you know, just felt funny and just uneasy. 804 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:15.400 Lie said, that night, same thing. See like everyone's sleep. 805 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.320 But once he got sleep, so woke him up, saying 806 00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.480 get up and run and he said again I listened. 807 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.320 He said, Well, this time he said, Daddy caught me. 808 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.760 He said, boy, tell you what he said. He tanned 809 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.440 my leather good and said he said he had to 810 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.159 get up work next morning, said he didn't want to me. 811 00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.559 Woke up like that again. Well, he said, from then on, 812 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.400 whenever that happened, he said, I just had to burn 813 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.559 my face in my pillar and just deal with it. 814 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:41.800 You know. 815 00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.760 Well, he said this went on. He said one day 816 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.960 he said he was out there, he said, and the 817 00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.679 neighbors said their grandson come over to visit them, and 818 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.800 said he come over the property. Line said he seen 819 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:56.239 me after in the yard and asked me what my 820 00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.400 name was. Stuff saidbody wouldn't come over into the yard, 821 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.400 say he told, He said, you know why you're welcome, 822 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.559 come on over, said let's play, you know. Say Toy 823 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.239 said no, and I don't want to come over with ours. 824 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.400 That place is haunted and said, well, he said he 825 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.559 got to tell him about being woke up, you know, 826 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.559 and stuff and said that old boy said just secured 827 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.440 him after death, you know. Say he just made big 828 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:19.320 eyes and took off running back to the house. He said, 829 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:21.800 I have said he wouldn't talk to me no more 830 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.679 or nothing. You know, he said, I thought, well, shoot, 831 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:29.679 you know, I go to the buddy. Well, he said, 832 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.239 he kept on and on and on. Which now he said, 833 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.519 he's daddy. You used to drink a lot and everything. 834 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.679 He said he was a mean drunk too. You know. 835 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.039 It's always mean to him and his mama. He said. Well, 836 00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.599 one night, he said he he say, I was laying 837 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:47.239 our sleep. He said again, he said, I got woke up, 838 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:51.280 get up and run, he said. When I woke up, 839 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.280 he said, as soon as I set up, he said, 840 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.960 I heard Daddy in there in the kitchen. He said, 841 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.840 I heard him, you know, hollering, you know, hollering the 842 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.320 mama and everything. He said. About the time he said 843 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.559 I heard my name, he said, I could hear him 844 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.199 coming down the hallway. He said, I jumped up. He said, 845 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:09.840 I run across the wad. He said, I was gonna 846 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.039 climb out the window, and I was gonna run. He said. 847 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.239 I got the window up, He said, just a little ways, 848 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.800 he said, and he got stuck. He said, I couldn't 849 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.840 climb all the way out. He said, Daddy busted that 850 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.039 door open and everything. He said. The next thing I know, 851 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.079 he said, I thought, Lord, this is it for me, 852 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:29.880 And said, by the time he busted that door open, 853 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.199 he said, the closet door swung open. 854 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:34.000 He said. 855 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.400 Daddy looked over into it, and he said, I don't 856 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.800 know to this, he said, as long as a man live, 857 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.159 he never would tell me. He said, I don't know 858 00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.360 what that man saw, he said, but I've never seen 859 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.320 Daddy drop to his knees and start crying, saying I'm sorry, 860 00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:50.760 and said, Daddy run out of that house at night. 861 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:53.280 He said he run down the road. Said he wouldn't 862 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.519 come back to daylight. But said after that happened, he 863 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:01.559 said he wouldn't drink no more. He said he was 864 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.880 didn't yell at him the more and said that. He 865 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:06.599 said his mama even took him out of the church. 866 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.760 Said he got saved and everything else. And he said, 867 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.320 just you know, said he said, after that, he said 868 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.519 Daddy was a completely different person. He said, well, what 869 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.440 makes this story really need is? He said? Later on 870 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.559 he said, I got to wonder about that. He said, 871 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.760 I got doing some history and things like that. You know, 872 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.039 he said, I looked up. He said, I found out 873 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:31.519 the boy's name. Uh that. He said. What happened was said, 874 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.000 there was an old old fellow there. He says, boy 875 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.000 every there were about fourteen. He said, his daddy, you know, 876 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.920 took his life. I reckoned in that boy's bedroom. He said. Well, 877 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:44.440 he said, I got to look it up. You know 878 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.679 what happened to him? Stuff and everything? He said, even 879 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.400 seen a picture of him where he was buried. He said, 880 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.559 Then it dawned on me. He said, that boy, He said, 881 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:55.800 what because of what happened to him? Said, he weren't 882 00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:57.360 trying to scare me. He said, he was trying to 883 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.559 protect me. And he said, I went to he's grave. 884 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.480 He said, I put my hand on his grave. He said, 885 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.000 so help me. This is true. He said, I put 886 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.360 my hand on his headstone and said, thank you, buddy. 887 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.960 He said, I didn't have to run no more. He said, 888 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.760 I stood up. Excuse me, he said, I stood up, 889 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.440 turned around, he said, started to walk away, and he said. 890 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.320 There was the previous feather, he said, come out of nowhere, 891 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.599 he said, landed right on my shirt. I thought, Lord, 892 00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:26.880 that was a good one right there. 893 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.960 Yeah, what a great story. I love stories like that 894 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:32.960 that have a kind of a twist there at the 895 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.320 end and something. You know, he wasn't trying to get him, 896 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:36.280 It was trying to keep. 897 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:40.840 Him from Yeah, because I said, into trouble. Yeah exactly. 898 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.440 I love the spooky ones too, you know, but it's 899 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.480 good to hear them sometimes, you know, that let you know, 900 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:48.760 you know there is things out there that looks out 901 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:49.239 for you. 902 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:56.039 Yeah, the amazing, amazing stuff there. I love those old 903 00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:58.960 legends and stories like that. A lot of the one offs. 904 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.320 You know, you hear places where there's a lot of 905 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.039 activity and stuff goes on all the time, but then 906 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.800 things like that were just maybe one or two people. 907 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.239 It was all that had ever happened to. I loved 908 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.079 and stuff like that. I love going to places where 909 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:16.159 things like that have happened. And one, I know you're 910 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:18.760 not too far from Nashville there. Have you ever been 911 00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.159 down to Adams, Tennessee, to the Belwich Cave. 912 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.199 I've been down there twice, and both times I went 913 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.440 down there, something went wrong. We didn't get to take 914 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.239 the tour or nothing. Yeah, first time it went down there, 915 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.440 they had some kind of alarms go kept going off 916 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.000 or something like it. We couldn't do nothing. And then 917 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.639 the second time we went down there, it was raining 918 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.840 and storming. Lord, it was bad. I think they were 919 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.599 William hurricanes. And we didn't get to do it. The 920 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:45.079 n neither. 921 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:47.559 Yeah, it's just right there on the edge of the 922 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.960 Red River and it floods out real easy. I know 923 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.639 the lady that her and her husband owned it. Chris 924 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.239 Kirby last time I was over there as before they 925 00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.559 really had it going big, and she said that her 926 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.800 husband had encountered something down there in the cave that 927 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:05.320 he wouldn't even talk about. And he told her, if 928 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.719 you want to give tours and have the gift shop 929 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.840 and all that, have addings and I ain't having nothing 930 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.440 to do with it. And I was in there, and 931 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.039 we hear stuff way back in the cave, and there 932 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:18.239 wasn't nobody else in there. I mean, they've got a 933 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.239 big looks like a jail door there that they unlocked 934 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.199 to let you in when it's closed. I was the 935 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.519 only one there that day and could hear stuff back 936 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.159 in there. She had a dog with her, and whatever 937 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:33.320 it was that spoke, the dog get ran out and 938 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.760 I just I had my first digital camera. That's how 939 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.559 long ago. It was probably mid nineties or something, and 940 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.599 I took some pictures in there, and I was sitting 941 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.280 outside reviewing them. She had a little gazebo picnic table 942 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.519 up there, and I was showing her the pictures and 943 00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.719 there was stuff jared in those pictures that wasn't down 944 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:54.360 there in the cave. She's like, I don't know what 945 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.599 that is. There's a Cherokee Box grave in there there. 946 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.639 I don't know what happened to the bones that were 947 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.400 in there, but the grave is still there. And right 948 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.840 there beside that grave, where I'd taken a picture of it, 949 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:07.960 there was something that looked like a board, like a 950 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.519 two by four or something, but it was black and 951 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.400 it was just in the frame there, and there wasn't 952 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:17.719 anything like that down there. And she's got some albums 953 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:19.559 of pictures, some of them that she took and some 954 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.480 of that other people took. And there was one just 955 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.480 outside the opening of the cave. Her daughter and one 956 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.719 of her little friends from school were sitting there like 957 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.440 best buddies. But around her daughter's neck there was a snake, 958 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.119 I mean a big snake, like a boa constricted or something. 959 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.440 And she said, my daughter is scared to death of snakes. 960 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.480 There's no way she would have sat there smiling with 961 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:43.679 her arm around her best friend and a big snake 962 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.960 around her neck. She said, I don't know what that is. 963 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.360 And a lot of times they've got a gate there 964 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.760 where you drive into the farm, and if they're not there, 965 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.519 they close them like that. And she said, I don't 966 00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.440 know how many times I've come home and find something 967 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.039 laying there with a note tied to it and said, 968 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.000 please put this back in the cave. I know. I 969 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.199 wasn't supposed to take anything. I did, and I've had 970 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.880 nothing but trouble ever since. You know, there was activity 971 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.840 in my house or hearing things and seeing things. There's 972 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.280 definitely a presence there. 973 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:17.960 I mean, I've heard a lot of people. I had 974 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.559 a buddy of mine, he's in the National Guard, and 975 00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.360 he said that they was on he had a leave 976 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:28.559 one weekend, you know, and he said that I thought, 977 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.079 He said, I was bored. He said his wife had 978 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:33.360 went to visit some relatives and everything. 979 00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:33.599 You know. 980 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.559 He said, I had the whole weekend to myself. He said. 981 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:37.960 I was like, man, you know what I'm gonna do? 982 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:39.199 He said, I thought, well, you know what, I ain't 983 00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:40.679 gonna sit around the house to be bored, you know. 984 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:42.400 He said, I'm gonna get out of here and you know, 985 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.800 enjoy myself. He said, man, he said, I went all 986 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.480 over the place, going to you know, seeing visiting areas 987 00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:51.440 and locations stuff like that. And he said he went 988 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.719 by you know, the bell Waste place, you know, and 989 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.920 he said, you know, he said, he paid for the 990 00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:58.679 you know, the whole tour. You know, there's two different 991 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.119 kinds of record you can get. You know, partial tour 992 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:04.440 would list you know, some information and into the one 993 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.719 where they take you to the cave and everywhere else 994 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.840 and the you know, things like that. And he said, well, 995 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:11.800 he said, man, he said, I'm not going to lie 996 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:16.239 to you. He said, the feelings I got at that place, 997 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.280 he said, He said, I couldn't explain it. He said, 998 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.440 I felt. He said, the only way I know how 999 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.519 to describe it is it felt like somebody else was 1000 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.000 in me, controlling my movements. He said, that's the only 1001 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.599 way I know how to describe it. He said. We 1002 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.840 was on the way to the cave. He said. I 1003 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:36.519 told him, I, you know, I had something come up. 1004 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.519 I had to leave. And he said, I went back 1005 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:43.119 to my car. Excuse me, he said, And I sat there. 1006 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.800 He said, I bet you. He said, good twenty minutes 1007 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:49.760 and he said, I cranked up. He said, I started leaving. 1008 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.280 He said that the further I got, he said, the 1009 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.039 better I felt. And he said, I've never been back since. 1010 00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.480 Yeah. I didn't get that kind of feeling there, but 1011 00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.199 it was spoo. I mean, I definitely felt something I'm 1012 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:06.639 open to stuff like that, and there was a kind 1013 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.519 of a pressure or something there that I can't describe it. It 1014 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:11.559 wasn't a pleasant place. You couldn't pay me to spend 1015 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:15.719 the night in there, but it felt different. The only 1016 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.760 place I've ever really had that feeling a little town 1017 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.360 over in North Carolina called Done And back in the sixties, 1018 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:26.239 they had a wave of just weird stuff over there. Monsters, 1019 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.760 and they saw a little man the size of a 1020 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:34.280 coke bottle, and just all kinds of weird stuff. And I, 1021 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:36.679 this is way back in the day. I'd written some 1022 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:38.400 letters to a guy that was a reporter for the 1023 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.920 newspaper there that covered a lot of that stuff, and 1024 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.599 he had passed away before I could ever get over there. 1025 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:47.239 I was coming through there one time. I was on 1026 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.559 my way the Outer Banks. That's another area with a 1027 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.880 lot of history and a lot of spooky stuff. But 1028 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.199 I stopped there and Done and spent the night, and 1029 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.360 I couldn't wait to get out of there. Coming in 1030 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:02.079 there in the dark, it looked like a peaceful little town. 1031 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:06.760 But daylight, when I woke up, I felt homicidal or something. 1032 00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:08.119 I just I had to get out of there. I 1033 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.199 felt sick to my stomach. There was just something there 1034 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.280 that didn't like me being there, and same thing. Once 1035 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:15.840 I got in my car and got out of there. 1036 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.599 The farther down the road I got, the better I felt, 1037 00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:21.639 And eventually it passed and i'n't been back since that. 1038 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.800 I wouldn't go back unless I was. If I did, 1039 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.239 i'd be more prepared. You know, you can people some 1040 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.199 people carry crystals or smudge themselves with sage or something 1041 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.000 like that to kind of ground yourself. And you know, 1042 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.159 if you know you're coming up against something like that, 1043 00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.760 you can put up shields and defenses. But when it 1044 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.320 blindsides you like that, it'll take the wind out of you. 1045 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.039 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you said, you know, if 1046 00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:47.880 you're not expecting something like that, you know, and you 1047 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.280 got your guard down and everything, you know, Lord Mercy. 1048 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:57.480 Yeah, I've lived in some places that were real active 1049 00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.719 and finally dawned on me a few years ago. It's 1050 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:02.599 not the place is so much. I think it's me 1051 00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:05.960 I've lived in was haunted to a degree. But I 1052 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.000 think I'm the one that's haunted. I think anywhere I 1053 00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.719 go to uh And I've had people tell me that 1054 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.280 because you're open to it. It's it's like a candle 1055 00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:16.519 and moss. You know, they'll see the light and they'll 1056 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:22.760 come to it, right right, Yeah, exactly. So again you 1057 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:26.480 learn to shield yourself to word that stuff up, because, 1058 00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.519 like you said, there's stuff out there that wants to 1059 00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.480 jump in you, that that wants whatever it is that 1060 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:36.679 you've got that they don't, and that's a scary feeling. Yeah. 1061 00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.800 There's a place up in the Smokies that I've been 1062 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.559 up to Cleveland's doumeb one time and wasn't on the 1063 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.599 wasn't on the trail. I was just hiking back out 1064 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.280 through the woods. It's kind of bushwhacken and Jared I 1065 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:51.960 came across a place there was a big old beech tree, 1066 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.360 because one of the biggest trees I'd ever seen, especially 1067 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.079 in the Smokies, and up there at that height there's 1068 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.360 there's not too many trees like that, but this thing 1069 00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.840 looked like a Disney tree, and it looked like it 1070 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:10.079 had been made. And it's like three or four people 1071 00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.639 holding hands to reach all around it, maybe half a 1072 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.880 dozen people, and the sun was kind of broke through 1073 00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.079 the clouds and it was shining right down on that tree. 1074 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.320 And I walked into that clearing. There wasn't anything else 1075 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:26.840 around it, and just something just suddenly the woods went quiet. 1076 00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.320 Have you ever had that happen where like somebody hit 1077 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.880 the mute button. You can't hear when you can't hear 1078 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.800 the birds. Well, I've learned that's a sign to turn 1079 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.599 around and high tail it out of there. But I 1080 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:41.039 was there by that tree and everything went quiet, real still, 1081 00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:44.320 and something, just like some little voice in the back 1082 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:45.920 of my hand, said, you know, that'd be a good 1083 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.920 place to sit down and rest, just set down by 1084 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:52.960 that tree there, maybe even take a nap. And I'm 1085 00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.719 kind of thinking yeah, And then I thought, wait a minute, 1086 00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.360 it's it's in the evening. I need to get back 1087 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.000 down off of here, or you know, I'm gonna be 1088 00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:05.480 asleep in the middle of the woods in the dark. 1089 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.719 And I've been back up there two or three times 1090 00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.159 and I can't find that tree. I think something was 1091 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:13.639 playing tricks on me. I think there's some kind of 1092 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:15.960 trickster out there. They will try to lure you in, 1093 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.519 lull you in. And I think if I'd sat down 1094 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.960 under that tree and went to sleep, I'd be one 1095 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:24.360 of those people. That vanished in the Smokies without a trace. 1096 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.280 I don't to be and you know that, you say, 1097 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.119 you know, it makes a really good point about how 1098 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.639 a lot of these people, especially like you know, like 1099 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:34.719 you said, like the National parks and stuff like that. 1100 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.880 You know, how they can go into these places and 1101 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:39.800 some of them be just like you know, in a 1102 00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.760 crowd of people and just vanish without a trace. 1103 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.599 Yeah, so turn and turn around the corner. Hiking with 1104 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:48.400 a group on a trail, one person goes around the 1105 00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:51.880 corner ahead of the group, never seen again. Now, a 1106 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:54.559 lot of stuff that I've covered, thousands of missing person 1107 00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.960 cases easily a lot of it. It's people that are 1108 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.360 overconfident or underprepared. I mean, the can change in an instant. 1109 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.960 But there are some cases out there that are spooky 1110 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.280 that it makes no sense, It makes no rhyme or reason. 1111 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.039 I said, I've talked about the Dennis Martin case earlier. 1112 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:17.599 That one grabbed me from day one. So that Father's 1113 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:20.119 Day in nineteen sixty nine. I was about a year 1114 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.800 younger than Dennis when that happened, and I just I've 1115 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:24.400 never been able to get that out of my head. 1116 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.440 I met his father much later in life. He talked 1117 00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:31.079 about a man that was haunted and I can imagine 1118 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:32.760 they were talking to him. I think he's on the 1119 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:37.440 fortieth anniversary of Dennis's disappearance. One of the local stations, 1120 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.719 believe in either WTE or WBI R there in Knoxville, 1121 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:45.800 and he said, in my heart of hearts, I don't 1122 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:48.280 think I'll ever see him again. But he said there's 1123 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:50.679 a part of me and he thinks I'll one day 1124 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.400 I'll be sitting here and I'll here knock at the door, 1125 00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.639 and I'll go to the door look out, and there's 1126 00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.639 a handsome man standing there, and he said, I probably 1127 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.880 another reporter wanting to talk to me about Dennis. Said 1128 00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.480 I opened the door and yes, can I help you? 1129 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.559 And the guy throws his arms up and said, Dad, 1130 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:14.840 it's me. It's Dennis. I've come home. But that never happened. 1131 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:19.679 He passed away on Halloween. It's been several years ago. 1132 00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:21.320 I was living in Portland at the time, but I 1133 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:25.000 remember hearing that he had passed away. But that anguish, 1134 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:27.360 you know, to lose a child. And he saw Dennis 1135 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.639 go into that clump of bushes and never come back out. 1136 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:33.800 That's the last time he ever saw him. I don't 1137 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.360 know if something took him, if he got abducted, if 1138 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.519 he got into a place and couldn't get out and 1139 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:41.719 they just never found anything. 1140 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:44.400 Or you know, you know, if it could be something 1141 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.000 kind of similar maybe what you know you experienced. You know. 1142 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.559 And another thing too is you know, there's so many 1143 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.400 stories of you know, pharo people up there too. 1144 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.400 Yeah, yeah, we covered that. We had a video that 1145 00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:02.239 my wife wrote about feral people in national parks and 1146 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:06.239 in the wilderness in general. And Dwight McCarter he used 1147 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.320 to be he was a ranger there in the smoke. 1148 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.039 He's a head tracker. He was the lead on the 1149 00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.400 Denis Martin case. He's retired now, but he said there 1150 00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.880 he didn't call them feral people, but he said there's 1151 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.880 people that live back in there that don't want anything 1152 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.880 to do with anybody. He said they've been back there 1153 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:27.639 for generations. And I've had people try to debunk that 1154 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.239 and say, you actually think there's places back there that 1155 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.000 people could hide and not be seen. Yes, there I do. 1156 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.280 And if you don't, you just haven't been far enough 1157 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.119 back in the woods. I'm not talking about on the 1158 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.360 high contrails. I'm talking about bushwhacking and getting out in 1159 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:42.360 some of those hells they call them because they're held 1160 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.400 to get through. And an example that I like to 1161 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:50.079 point to Eric Rudolph, the bomber that was on the 1162 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.679 FBI's most wanted list. He hid out in Nanta Haala 1163 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.719 National Force, which is just below the Smoke. He's there 1164 00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:00.360 for five years and eluded the FBI. This was a 1165 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.239 guy with no survival experience, no real outdoors experience. Well, 1166 00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:05.800 if a guy like that can go hide in the 1167 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.239 woods for five years, you know, I telling me that 1168 00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:11.639 there couldn't be dozens of people out there doing the 1169 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:16.119 same thing. And park The only reason he got caught 1170 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.800 he was sneaking into some little town there in North 1171 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:22.519 Carolina and getting they old pastries out of the dumpster 1172 00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:24.960 of a little store there where they were throwing him away. 1173 00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:30.800 Sweet tooth got him caught. But yeah, I believe it's possible. 1174 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:33.679 I believe there's people out there. And there's another guy. 1175 00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:35.280 You may have heard of him. He's got a YouTube 1176 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:39.320 channel called South Forest ten and he tells a lot 1177 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:43.119 of the Smoky's legends and stuff. And he's older than 1178 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.239 I am. He's way up in his sixties, maybe even seventy. 1179 00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.320 But he said some of his relatives talked about before 1180 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.079 it was a national park, they were hired by the 1181 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.840 government to go in there and hunt these pharaohs and 1182 00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.400 get them out of there, and that he says, part 1183 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.239 of the reason that it is a national park is 1184 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.360 to contain those people in there. That that containment theory. 1185 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.920 I've heard that, I have to I've heard that a 1186 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:07.760 few times. 1187 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:10.440 But uh, I don't know, I don't know what to think. 1188 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:12.760 It's just it's one of those things. I've been looking 1189 01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:16.199 into this since I was little, and I have yet 1190 01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.039 to find any answers. Uh. In fact, I've got a 1191 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.519 lot more questions than I started with. And and now 1192 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.519 it's like I'm not even looking for answers anymore. I'm 1193 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:27.719 trying to find the next set of questions. 1194 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:29.920 Right right, you know, because you know, like you said, 1195 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.679 you know, it's just there's just so many possibilities, you know, 1196 01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:38.719 and it does make you wonder, you know, if that's false. 1197 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:42.320 You know, why are there's you know, signs everywhere in 1198 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.719 these places, you know, do not leave the trail, you know, 1199 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.639 stay with the group. Yeah, of course, you know, naturally, 1200 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.440 you know you're gonna have wild animals and things like that, 1201 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.719 you know, but it also makes you wonder too, is 1202 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:54.599 it something else? 1203 01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:59.440 Yeah, I've thought about that, you know, and that's I 1204 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:01.719 don't know, there's something out there. There's I've felt the 1205 01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:04.239 presence out there before, and I've been around big cats. 1206 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.760 I've been around bear and stuff like that. He didn't 1207 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:11.119 feel like that because the other animals and things, you know, 1208 01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:15.320 they know when there's an apex predator around. Right, there's 1209 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:18.639 something out there that even the predator animals are scared of. 1210 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.199 Oh yeah, I don't know what isn't But there's so 1211 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.760 much that we don't know. We we think we're so 1212 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.199 smart about a lot of things, and there's I mean, 1213 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.559 they're they're discovering new species all the time in places 1214 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.320 like the rainforest and places like that. And there was 1215 01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.480 a time around the turn of the last century when 1216 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.760 they thought the great apes were a myth, that that 1217 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.320 was just you know, stories and things until they actually 1218 01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.760 found one. Right, And I've had people say, well, Bigfoot 1219 01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.760 can't exist, because how come they've never found a carcass 1220 01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.719 in the woods. Well, I know bears exist, and I've 1221 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.639 been all over the Smokies. I've hiked the Appalachian Trail 1222 01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:59.199 for about three months one time, from Georgia to Damascus, Virginia. 1223 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.079 And I never seen a bear carcass in the woods. 1224 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:04.119 The only time I've ever seen a deer carcass was 1225 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.480 a fresh one when somebody was poaching out a season 1226 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.320 and and got rid of it. But just because you 1227 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:13.400 can't find the carcass, that don't mean it's not out 1228 01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:16.800 there exactly. Who's to say they don't bury their dead. 1229 01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:21.320 I mean, there's Cherokee legends about Harry Giants. One day 1230 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.880 suddenly I think there's what they call it legends of 1231 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:28.039 the little people up there in the Smokies. It all 1232 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.039 ties together, it's all connected. That's what I think is. 1233 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.800 Oh yeah, Like I said, there's one thing that I've 1234 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.800 learned over the years and stuff and everything, and especially 1235 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:40.599 you know, since it started doing these stories and hearing 1236 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.280 other people with experiences and everything. And one thing I've learned, 1237 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.000 like I said, is keep an open mind about pretty 1238 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:49.679 much everything. 1239 01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.880 Yep. That's one of those TV shows used to say 1240 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.159 that there's no mystery to an open mind or something 1241 01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:58.880 like that, and that's true. You have to consider all 1242 01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.360 the things. Yeah, a lot of people will go messing 1243 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:05.239 through their own fault. Like I said, being overconfident, underprepared. 1244 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.239 You get out and not dressed for the weather, rainstorm 1245 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.280 and blow in. You can get hypothermia even in the 1246 01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:15.519 summertime on the tops of some of those mountains. But 1247 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.519 then there's those cases that just make you wonder, like 1248 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.480 where they were hiking along and suddenly they're not even 1249 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:24.840 on the trail anymore. They look around behind them and 1250 01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:27.760 there is no trail and they don't know where they are. 1251 01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.880 There's been people where they could see search and rescue 1252 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.440 and hear them, but they couldn't see or hear the 1253 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.119 person they're looking for, even they were then shouting distance 1254 01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:38.239 of each other. Oh yeah, don't know if it's a 1255 01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:39.400 time slip or. 1256 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:41.760 That's what I started saying. I've wandered that about that too, 1257 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:43.960 you know, And there's so many stories about you know, 1258 01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:46.400 like you say, people you know they're going down the 1259 01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.760 road and yeah, you know, sometimes you know you're driving, 1260 01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:50.639 you've got a lot on your mind or something, especially 1261 01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.480 if you're buy yourself and you know you're just kind 1262 01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:55.639 of zoned out, you know, and you know, time will 1263 01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:57.320 get away from you a little bit. But there's people 1264 01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:00.960 that said so many times. You know, I was driving 1265 01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:05.719 on the interstate, you know, or going home, and the 1266 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.480 next thing I know, I'm in a completely different area 1267 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:09.960 in a snap of a finger. You know. 1268 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:13.519 Yeah, I've had that happen too. I've had some just 1269 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:17.599 minor time slips like that, if you will. And then 1270 01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:19.800 I had one episode when I was a teenager of 1271 01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:23.360 missing time, and that was in suburban West Knoxville U 1272 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.400 subdivision that I lived in the building in three phases. 1273 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.079 The first part had been done, the second part was 1274 01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.679 still under construction, and they had started on the third part, 1275 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.760 Phase three. They just had a asphalt road that went 1276 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:39.800 up in there and the rest of it was wooded lots. 1277 01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:42.599 And a guy that lived up the street from me, 1278 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.679 we went to high school together. We both rode BMX 1279 01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.519 bicycles at the time, and we'd ridden up there just 1280 01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:50.599 to ride on that road where there was no houses 1281 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.639 or cars or anything. And we were headed toward the 1282 01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:56.559 end of the road it ended in a cul de sac, 1283 01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:01.000 just peddled along, jawing with each other there, and I 1284 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:04.199 heard a noise up in the woods off to my right, 1285 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.079 sounded like some metallic and I just looked up that 1286 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.719 way and then I looked back. We were still on 1287 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:15.400 our bicycles, still peddling, but we were going the other direction. 1288 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.440 Oh went on. 1289 01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:20.079 Down the road. We didn't say a word to each other. 1290 01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:22.360 He went in his driveway. I went on down to mine, 1291 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.000 went in the house. My mom and Dad's like, where 1292 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.599 are you being? I was out riding bikes with Danny, 1293 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:29.760 and they said, well, you need to get in here. 1294 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:33.000 You got school tomorrow. It's late. It was after eleven o'clock, 1295 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:36.599 and it was had much more than gotten dark because 1296 01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:39.239 in the summertime it's probably around eight nine o'clock. Whendn't 1297 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.639 we were up there, so somewhere in there I lost 1298 01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.679 two or three hours, had no idea where I was 1299 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.320 or what happened. But I was going one direction and 1300 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:50.239 the next thing I know, I'm going the other direction, 1301 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:53.639 still on the bike, still peddling. And I've had people 1302 01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:58.920 ask me, would you undergo hypnosis or hypnotic regression? And 1303 01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:00.639 a part of me is curious. Some would like to, 1304 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:02.400 but then there's a part of me I don't want 1305 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:05.599 to know right after two or three hours or what 1306 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.639 happened to me, if it was exactly aliens or something 1307 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:10.519 like that, and I got probed. I don't want to. 1308 01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.440 Know about it, you brother. Yeah, you know, I've always heard, 1309 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.800 you know, don't ask questions that you don't want to 1310 01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:17.519 know the answer. 1311 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:19.280 To exactly, you know, exactly. 1312 01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:22.440 But I said, I had a similar experience once, me 1313 01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:24.920 and my dad back before he passed away. We had 1314 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.679 heard about this old cemetery that my granny always told 1315 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:32.320 us that had some of her king folk in and 1316 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.199 she said it was old dirt road, you know, old 1317 01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:36.119 logging road. By the time, I used to have an 1318 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:39.440 old deep Cherokee. And we went up that old road 1319 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:43.159 and everything, and uh well, we turned off with like 1320 01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:44.880 I said, a little side road there, you know. We 1321 01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.320 went back there for like five minutes and it comes 1322 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:49.559 almost to a dead end. That's when we had to 1323 01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:52.960 hit the little uh old logging road. And we went 1324 01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:57.360 back there and I made it. Took probably twenty minutes 1325 01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.320 to get back there to it. Finally found it, like 1326 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.119 never found it, but we finally found it. We get out, 1327 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:06.159 you know, we're looking around, you know, see some familiar 1328 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:09.119 the names that we've heard of growing up and stuff, 1329 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:13.519 you know, and Dad said, we'll look up that sky, 1330 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:15.239 you know, he said, it looks like it's gonna storm 1331 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:16.519 on us. He said, we better get out of here 1332 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:18.400 and get back to the house for it opens up 1333 01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:22.000 gets bad on us. I said, well, all right, Well, 1334 01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:27.000 we loaded up, turned the jeep ram and we went over. 1335 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.840 We literally leave the cemetery there. We went over the 1336 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.679 little beady hill and around one little curve and there 1337 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:39.480 was that road and we just stopped and I just 1338 01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:42.599 we just looked at one another. He said, how did 1339 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.559 we get out of there that fast? I said, I 1340 01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:49.559 don't know. I said, I can't explain now. He said, 1341 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.480 it took us forever to get back in there. I said, yeah, 1342 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:54.960 and it literally mighta took maybe two minutes to get 1343 01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:59.320 back out. And I said, I to this day, I 1344 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:00.000 can't explain it. 1345 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.400 Yeah, I've had some little ones like that. When I 1346 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.519 lived in Las Vegas. I was going home one night 1347 01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:09.320 and I think I was going out to Flamingo. I 1348 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:11.400 had to go out and make a turn and go 1349 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:13.559 to a part of town that I lived in, and 1350 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.800 I drove and I drove and I drove, and suddenly 1351 01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:18.920 I realized, I don't even know where I'm at. Nothing 1352 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:22.199 looked familiar to me, and I thought I've passed my road. 1353 01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:24.840 I'm going to be up to Blue Diamond or somewhere. 1354 01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:26.359 I'm going to have to turn around and go back. 1355 01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:29.560 And it should have taken me five minutes to get 1356 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:32.600 to the from the strip to that time of night, 1357 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:34.720 up to where I needed to turn, and I know, 1358 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.600 I drove for like fifteen or twenty minutes, and then 1359 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:39.800 when I was looking for some place to turn around, 1360 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.439 there was the turn I needed to make. And to 1361 01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:46.239 this day, I have no idea what happened there, Just 1362 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:49.319 the road wasn't where it was supposed to be, and 1363 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:52.920 then I came to it eventually. And another time, this 1364 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.560 when I lived in Oregon. I lived outside of Portland 1365 01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:57.960 for a while, a little town called Saint Helen's, Oregon, 1366 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.399 And I smoked sigarettes at the time, and I'd walked 1367 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.399 up to the corner store to get a pack of 1368 01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:08.600 cigarettes and it was maybe two blocks, yeah, And I 1369 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:10.319 got my cigarettes, and I came back and I was 1370 01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:13.560 paying attention, you know, I just might have been daydreaming 1371 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.199 a little bit or something. That was after dark, and 1372 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.119 I turned down what I thought was my road and 1373 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.520 it wasn't my road. And I'd gone like three blocks 1374 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:27.680 up the road and turned out another taking left down 1375 01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:31.039 another road, walking and it took me a minute, but 1376 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:32.680 I figured out where it was and went back out 1377 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.720 and went to two blocks up and then there was 1378 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:37.760 my street. But there's no way I would have walked 1379 01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:42.079 right past it like that. There's there's a I heard 1380 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.279 somebody explain at one time, like, if you've got a 1381 01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:48.479 map and there's a distance between point A and point B, well, 1382 01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:51.920 what would happen if you folded that map, like with 1383 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.199 a fold in the middle to where A and B 1384 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.000 are closer, that you could fold the fabric of time 1385 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:02.840 or space and make those distances shorter. And I believe 1386 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:07.119 somehow that happens sometimes inadvertently. I don't think it's anything 1387 01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:10.159 we do or anything we can control. I think it 1388 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:10.880 just happens. 1389 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:14.319 I believe you're at man, it's got to be it's 1390 01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:15.119 got to be something. 1391 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:18.000 Yeah, it makes no sense. 1392 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.239 They don't, but like I said, it's wild. I mean 1393 01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:23.239 to think about. 1394 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:28.880 Yeah, the points. That's I'm an insomniac, chronic of doing 1395 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.960 better here lately since I got married and moved to 1396 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.880 New England. But there was a lot of years in it. 1397 01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:35.840 I didn't sleep more than two or three hours at night. 1398 01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:38.159 But that's the kind of stuff that rolls around in 1399 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:41.359 my head at night when I can't spend something to ponder. 1400 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:44.119 You know, what was that? What happened to this? Where'd 1401 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:48.119 that go? You know? Who did this? That? You can 1402 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:51.199 think of all kinds of things, And like Charles Fort 1403 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:54.800 once wrote, one measures a circle beginning anywhere, And that's 1404 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:56.920 the way this stuff is. You can start at one point, 1405 01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.560 go all the way around, you come back to the 1406 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.399 same thing thing you were thinking about, and you still 1407 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.239 don't know anymore than when you started. 1408 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:07.000 Oh yeah, yeah, that's that. And I think that too, 1409 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:11.119 you know, that's what makes a lot of that so interesting, 1410 01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:14.680 you know, fascinating. In fact, I'm not knowing. 1411 01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:17.359 Yeah, and it wouldn't be fun if we had all 1412 01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:19.640 the answers of the journey that I've been, it wouldn't 1413 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:23.560 have been near as much fun adventure as I've enjoyed. 1414 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.359 And that's why I just thrill the chase, to thrill 1415 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.800 the hunt, you know, to go out there and see 1416 01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:33.920 what's happened or go I never go anywhere thinking that 1417 01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:38.479 I'm going to experience anything, but sometimes you get pleasantly surprised, 1418 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:43.199 if you will, right, But like that that if you 1419 01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:46.039 go expecting it to happen, it ain't gonna happen. But 1420 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:48.119 then you can find yourself in a place and something 1421 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:50.520 will happen, and then you ask somebody about it and 1422 01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:52.399 be oh, yeah, that's you know, old man so and 1423 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.720 So's place. It's haunted. You don't want to be around there. Yeah. 1424 01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.520 That reminded me of the story of one of my cousins. 1425 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:03.239 She was married the guy that was in the Marines. 1426 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:05.479 I think they had been at Campbell of June or somewhere, 1427 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.800 and am on their weekends off them. Another military couple 1428 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:12.960 went hiking and they came across an old house out 1429 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.680 in the middle of the woods somewhere, and obviously nobody 1430 01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:20.239 lived there, but they sort of broke into it and 1431 01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:23.800 went in looked around. They said, there was the dinner 1432 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:25.800 plates and silverwear and stuff was set out like they 1433 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.399 were getting ready to eat. There was clothes laid out 1434 01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:31.680 on the bed, and there was a calendar in there 1435 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:35.960 that was I think nineteen fifty forties or fifties or 1436 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:39.880 something like that that hadn't been changed, and they were just, 1437 01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:42.680 you know, what is this? What happened here? They went 1438 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.239 around looking to see if there was like maybe a 1439 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.199 secret room or secret panel that somebody had gotten caught 1440 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.640 behind and couldn't get out. And then on the way 1441 01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:53.600 back out of there, they stopped at the little general 1442 01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:57.479 store and they asked the clerk there about that old 1443 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.000 house up in the woods where it was, and they said, 1444 01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:02.520 he got the strangest look on his face and then 1445 01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:04.399 wouldn't want to talk to him anymore. He's like, just 1446 01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:06.680 take your stuff and get out of here. I ain't 1447 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:08.920 got nothing to say about that. So there was something 1448 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.199 that had happened there, But they went back at a 1449 01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:14.319 later date and tried to find it, couldn't find it. 1450 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.600 Oh man, So you know what, what on earth was 1451 01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:21.319 that order or a time slip or something there that 1452 01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:24.720 people disappear and nobody around there would talk about it. 1453 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.800 I wish I knew more to that story, But that's 1454 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:28.520 that's all I know. 1455 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.319 About it, right, And and like I said, you know 1456 01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:37.800 that just it adds to the imagination and the curiosity, 1457 01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.199 and that's just what makes it so fascinating. 1458 01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:44.720 Yeah. Absolutely, Well, we got another story you could share 1459 01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:46.760 with us. I'm loving you the storyteller. 1460 01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:50.359 Hey, that's like I said, it's a blessing to be here. 1461 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:52.640 Bro Uh, yeah, I got one. I said, it's a 1462 01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:55.680 pretty funny one. Uh kind of change it up a 1463 01:13:55.720 --> 01:14:01.039 little bit, as uh Paul told me. Someone said, you 1464 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:03.439 used to know this old feller. He said, back in 1465 01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.479 the old days. You know, they said that. You know, 1466 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:09.279 back then, they weren't nothing to do back in the mountains, 1467 01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:12.800 you know, other than working every day. And he said, 1468 01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:15.680 you know, if there was anything to do, he was 1469 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:21.199 either drinking, making something to drink, or playing little music. 1470 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:23.800 He said, that's about it, you know, he said, other 1471 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.479 than the occasionally, you know, he said, going to preaching 1472 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:29.560 or you know occasionally you know they'd have a shen dig. 1473 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.520 You don't have much to do, you know. Well, he 1474 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.000 said there was just one old feller. He said, everybody 1475 01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:40.000 in town know and said the old feller said it 1476 01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.239 was the biggest you know. Said he was always drunk, 1477 01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.840 you know, said good old feller, you know, best failure 1478 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:49.279 you'd ever meet in your life. But said, if you've 1479 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:53.479 seen him, he was either drunk or on the way. 1480 01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:59.000 You know, one of them kind well said they all 1481 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:01.960 got together one time. I'm today's having this beach of 1482 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:06.359 dude and stuff, you know, and said, then't naturally said, 1483 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:08.479 and they said everywhere he went, said he had this 1484 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:12.279 old dog he called Ben Sody. Everywhere he went, Ben 1485 01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:14.640 was with him, they said, a lot of times he 1486 01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:17.199 be on side of the road somewhere passed out. Said 1487 01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:20.479 Ben be sitting right there with him. You know. Well 1488 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:22.640 said days out there you know what to do, you know, 1489 01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:25.359 and he said a lot of people, you know today's 1490 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:28.880 playing music and stuff. Said it weren't long everybody brought 1491 01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.800 out the shine. You know, well said the women folk 1492 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.159 had got around, you know, and had a little bitty 1493 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:37.600 bottles there, you know, and said they had took peppermint 1494 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:39.960 and crushed it up and put it in there, and 1495 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:43.000 they went around having the menfolk filling it up with 1496 01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:45.760 moonshine a little bit, and said they put that up 1497 01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:49.600 for the wintertime for use for medicine. You know. Well 1498 01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:53.000 said that after you know they've done that, make sure 1499 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:54.680 the women folks got to what they needed. Said he. 1500 01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:57.960 You know, it went for the celebrating, Well, they said, 1501 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.680 theary come here. Everything grin like a toothy possible, you know, 1502 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:05.880 he said. He started drinking, you know stuff. Everything ain't 1503 01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:10.199 going on, well, he said, he leaned no worse. The 1504 01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:12.319 poor fellow had a pair of overhauls. They said it 1505 01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:14.399 was about three times too big for him to begin with, 1506 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:17.159 and said he leaned over, and said he leaned over, 1507 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:19.920 and he leaned over on a mew and said that 1508 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:23.119 old mule took off, and Calty's overhaul gallass and everything. 1509 01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:25.760 Said it drugg you about six foot and said he 1510 01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:30.199 rolled and rolled almost plumb. Abby's overalls. Said everybody was 1511 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:33.560 a life in the carrying on, slapping their legs and stuff. 1512 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:37.880 Say he stands up, pullsies overhauls back up and everything 1513 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:41.319 Pixie's had up, slapped it on his head and said 1514 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.119 that's it being you're sleeping in the floor tonight. 1515 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:53.439 Too funny. Yeah, that that pops called moonshine. I've heard 1516 01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:58.159 some interesting stories about the fact that that has on people. 1517 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:03.399 And I heard somebody one time saying, if you take 1518 01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:07.560 a nightcrawler fishing worm, put it in a glass of water, 1519 01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:11.600 it lives, but you put it in a glass of moonshine, 1520 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.560 it'll die. And he said the moral of that story 1521 01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:18.159 is if you drink moonshine, you'll never have worms. 1522 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.319 That's for sure. Well, that's like a lot of folks, 1523 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:24.159 you know, you could tell that you know, Mike, in 1524 01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:25.960 the old days, you know, they'd run out of gas 1525 01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:27.800 or something. You know, they put a little shine in 1526 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:29.840 there into gas tanks and everything, and it'd run on 1527 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.880 it for a little while. Toll they get it some gas. 1528 01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:33.319 A lot of folks won't believe that. 1529 01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:37.680 I don't doubt that's pure great alcohol. Yeah, that's how 1530 01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:40.159 it will still blow up. I saw a house one 1531 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:42.960 time that was back in the sixties. I think that 1532 01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:45.199 was out in rural Knox County where a guy had 1533 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:48.039 a still in an old house and it blew up 1534 01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:51.119 and leveled that place. I mean, there wasn't nothing toothpicks. 1535 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:52.000 Lord. 1536 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:59.880 Yeah, it can be dangerous, but I wouldn't care for it. 1537 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.880 I knew the guy that lived up the edge of 1538 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:06.119 the smoke, he's there, that had a steal up there 1539 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.319 and brought it back into the Knoxville and delivered it. 1540 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:13.560 And they saw all they could make. You know, the 1541 01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:17.399 people wanted it. That the moonshine and the legendary, and they've 1542 01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.640 got stuff now that you can buy that they call moonshine. 1543 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.119 But it ain't it ain't quite saying. 1544 01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:27.119 Here's some horror stories of guy. My brother went to 1545 01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:29.960 high school with got a hold of some moonshine they'd 1546 01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:32.319 been made in an old radiator, and. 1547 01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:36.920 It killed them, and oh, man, mercy. Yeah, I've heard 1548 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:39.439 folks talk about that, you know, where they really didn't 1549 01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:41.880 know what they's doing, you know, real bad or anything, 1550 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:45.479 or made it incorrectly or just cheap, made you know, 1551 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:47.880 curse something like that, you know, with the radiator and 1552 01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:51.119 you know people going literally going blind from it, stuff 1553 01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:51.880 like that, you know. 1554 01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:55.680 Yeah, I just never never wanted to try it. Never 1555 01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:59.439 had a taste for alcohol anyway. But I certainly wouldn't 1556 01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:00.560 drink anything like that. 1557 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:03.800 That's me, man, I said. Back when I was real 1558 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:07.680 young and everything growing up and full of vinegar and everything, 1559 01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:11.239 you know, I drank my fire share by I drank 1560 01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.399 like a fiche out of water. But when I got 1561 01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:15.760 older and got married and started having young's and my 1562 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:19.239 own stuff everything, I just give it up. 1563 01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:22.199 Yeah, I figure I've got a little enough sense as 1564 01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.039 it is. I don't want to do anything to make 1565 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:25.119 me have less. 1566 01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:27.600 There. 1567 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:31.119 Drank a little bit when I was in college. I 1568 01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.800 spit one quarter at a dorm and that was a mistake. 1569 01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:38.079 And we used to drink malt liquor and the evenings, 1570 01:19:38.119 --> 01:19:41.520 drink it to a straw because it taken effect quicker. 1571 01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:44.279 And that was a student meal. Back then, there was 1572 01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.960 a little convenience store there at University of Tennessee right 1573 01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:49.680 the edge of it where you could get a quarter 1574 01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:53.199 of malt liquor and two packs of rawmen for a dollar. 1575 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.079 That was you know, when you're on a student budget. 1576 01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:58.159 That was an evening's entertainment. 1577 01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:58.760 That's it. 1578 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.960 Rather and uh just never got a taste for it. 1579 01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:05.159 I said, I knew some people that just get just 1580 01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:08.760 snot slinging drunk, you know, and and hungover and all that, 1581 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:11.479 and then talk about what a good time they Hadn't 1582 01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:12.039 sound like a. 1583 01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:15.640 Good time to me, Yeah, I said, I've I've seen people, 1584 01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:18.600 you know, like you say that, you know, drank till 1585 01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:20.720 they pass out, and you know, as soon as they 1586 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:22.279 wake up, they're looking for another drink. 1587 01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:22.560 You know. 1588 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:24.640 I just that ain't for me. 1589 01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:28.000 Yeah, it's it's an affliction. And I've known people like 1590 01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:29.960 that too, that were blackout drinkers. 1591 01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:31.119 That would drink Oh yeah, I. 1592 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:33.279 Have no idea what they've done, where they did it 1593 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:36.920 or anything. Yeah, wake up in jail, not even know 1594 01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:38.039 how they got there. 1595 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:42.119 Or Yeah, I had cousin that he said. He said, 1596 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:45.319 got drunk. He said, is that somebody's house? And he said, 1597 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:47.800 next thing I know, I'm waking up in jail, thinking, 1598 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:49.479 oh Lord, what have I doing. 1599 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:53.880 I heard a guy tell a story one time he 1600 01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:58.720 drank like that, woke up in somebody's house and the 1601 01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:01.560 kids were sitting there. But two little kids are sitting 1602 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:04.680 there playing Nintendo. Said he looked around and they had 1603 01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:07.319 a family picture hanging there. He said, well, that's these 1604 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:09.560 two little kids, but he didn't recognize the man or 1605 01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:13.199 the woman. And the kids like, uh, well you're awake 1606 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:16.399 now you won't play some Nintendo. He's like, nah, I guess, 1607 01:21:16.399 --> 01:21:19.079 I guess I better get on down the road left, 1608 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:21.279 And still had no idea whose house he was at, 1609 01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:23.600 or how he got there, nothing about the circumstances, but 1610 01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:26.359 just woke up on the couch. That that'd be scary 1611 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:27.000 as hell to me. 1612 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:32.479 Yeah, like anything like that, Oh mercy me. 1613 01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:37.520 But yeah, it's great having you out here. I love 1614 01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:41.039 hearing you tell these stories, and your YouTube channel is 1615 01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:44.840 just an absolute delight. You've got so many stories from 1616 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:46.720 from Appalacha over there. Like I said, some of them 1617 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:49.640 are scary. Some of them are just the kind of 1618 01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:52.000 touching and poignant. There's there's a little bit of everything 1619 01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:54.279 over there. How long have you been doing your. 1620 01:21:54.199 --> 01:22:00.159 Channel, Well, I've been on YouTube for about four years now, 1621 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:03.239 but I've been doing the Apple Actian stuff for almost two. 1622 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:08.079 And that seems to really caught on that. That's there's 1623 01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:10.239 a lot of people, especially out away from there, that 1624 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:13.960 have never heard those hotels and find it hard to believe, 1625 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.239 you know that people used to live like that still do. 1626 01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:19.039 I mean, I can take you places right now that 1627 01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:24.279 don't have electricity and runoff up in Kentucky. 1628 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:27.199 Yeah, I've had a lot of folks holler at me 1629 01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:28.560 and tell me say, you know, if you ever get 1630 01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:30.760 up to you know so and so away, let me know. 1631 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:32.319 You know, I can take you back in o Hall 1632 01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:34.840 and where some folks still live like it and you know, 1633 01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:38.479 drink from whale and stuff like that, and I like, shoot, 1634 01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:39.079 I love it. 1635 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.239 Yeah, And that's my dream. One day I'd like to 1636 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.359 end up out in the woods in Maine, somewhere in 1637 01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:48.119 the cabin, just as far away from people as I 1638 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:50.720 can get. My wife's the same way. We just we 1639 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:54.119 prefer our own company. And even though I have YouTube 1640 01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:58.079 and have all the fans and everything, all that subscribers. 1641 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:02.600 I'm not really a people person. I just started enjoying 1642 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:05.079 my privacy, you know. That's that's to me that I 1643 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:07.359 share with people, and then the rest of the time 1644 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:10.439 I like to be left alone. I read a lot, 1645 01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:13.520 write a lot, study a lot. I've been on a 1646 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:16.399 real book writing bench. Hearey. I couldn't even tell you 1647 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:18.760 right now. I'd have to stop and think how many 1648 01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:22.239 books I got out there. I think it's like eighteen 1649 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:24.640 or something, and I'm still working on more. Writing one 1650 01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:28.760 about my maternal grandmother, and that one's a mess. It's 1651 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:30.920 just all over the place because she, you know, she 1652 01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:33.800 was a fortune teller and they were out of that 1653 01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:37.039 the spiritualism movement from around the turn of the last century. 1654 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:39.720 My mom was born nineteen twenty seven. When she was 1655 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.800 a little girl in the thirties, they still had seances 1656 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:46.079 and table tappings and all kinds of stuff. That was 1657 01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:48.800 just their normal. They didn't know any better, right. But 1658 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:54.039 then the seventh son, my uncle, became a Baptist preacher, 1659 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:56.960 and then they all got religion and threw away the 1660 01:23:56.960 --> 01:24:00.520 wageboards and the stopped at the table tipping in the 1661 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:04.600 seances and stuff like that. But I loved hearing those 1662 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:07.000 old stories and a lot of it they were just 1663 01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:10.039 ready to talk about because they felt silly, you know, 1664 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:12.159 after they didn't do it anymore. But at the time, 1665 01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:15.560 my dad was a scientist. He grew up, said over 1666 01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.680 there in Finriance County, but seventeen years old, moved to 1667 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:21.000 Knoxville and started going to the University of Tennessee and 1668 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:24.760 then ended up working at oak Ridge National Laboratory. And 1669 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:26.840 he would talk about that. When he and my mom 1670 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:30.520 first got married. One of the first times I think 1671 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.600 that she took him to visit up there. He said 1672 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.319 they were having one of their table tapping sessions or 1673 01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:39.159 table tipping, whatever they called it. He said, they sounded 1674 01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:41.600 like the biggest bunch of heathens. He said, they're sitting 1675 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:45.319 in a circle around that old table. Rise, table, rise, Rise, 1676 01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.359 And he said, I tried every way in the world 1677 01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.319 to figure out what was doing it. He said, nobody 1678 01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:53.760 had their foot under the leg of it. They didn't 1679 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:57.279 have any wires or anything attached to it. Nobody had 1680 01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:00.239 rulers up their sleeves and making it rise, he said. 1681 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:02.439 But that old table, he said it would tip up, 1682 01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:05.680 it would rise, and they talked about one time they 1683 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:08.159 took one of the grandkids and put them up as 1684 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:11.399 an old farmhouse type table. Put the kid up on 1685 01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:15.279 it and to that table tried as hard as it 1686 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:17.520 could to raise up, but with the extra weight of 1687 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.680 that kid on there, it couldn't do it. But said 1688 01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:22.680 it creaked and groaned and shuddered. Well, what do you 1689 01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:26.279 think something like that is? What's your opinion on the supernatural? 1690 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:27.399 What do you think's out there? 1691 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:31.800 Well, like I said, I've always kept an open mind about, 1692 01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:36.319 you know, pretty much everything, and I've often wondered, especially 1693 01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:37.760 you know, when it comes you know, like the stuff 1694 01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:40.760 like that, you know, the table tippers and stuff everything. 1695 01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:44.680 You know, I've often wondered if it weren't a mix 1696 01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:48.000 of you know, a lot of stuff. You know that 1697 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:50.439 some things you know, maybe like a little bit of 1698 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:53.319 it they could do, but they just amped it up, 1699 01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:56.399 you know, to kind of draw into you know, bigger 1700 01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:59.159 crowds and more people you know, and stuff everything because 1701 01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:01.039 you know, back then, you know, you did what you 1702 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:02.800 had to do to make money. You know, you had 1703 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:06.520 to feed your family. And like I said, I've offered 1704 01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:09.199 wondered do you some of the things like you said, 1705 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:10.840 you know that they couldn't explain how they did it, 1706 01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:13.640 you know if some of the things they really could do, 1707 01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:16.239 they just added more to it. 1708 01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:19.479 Yeah, made it a little more theatrical, more of a show. 1709 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:23.520 And that was that basically describes a spiritualism movement. That 1710 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:26.079 was where you had all these fake mediums, you had 1711 01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:29.640 the spirit photography and people, you know, just vacant stuff. 1712 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:33.760 It's downright factory. There used to be a place there 1713 01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.119 in Gallenburg. I made a video about it called Hauntings 1714 01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:39.920 on the Parkway and they take it in there, tilled 1715 01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:43.399 about maybe twenty or thirty people in this laudatorium and 1716 01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:47.600 they put on an old fashioned spook show, a spiritualism show. 1717 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:49.359 And one of the things they would do they would 1718 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:53.760 take a medium and put her in a little cabinet 1719 01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.000 that was made out of curtains and tire hands, and 1720 01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:00.439 then they'd draw the curtain and then everything would start happening. 1721 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.159 The lights would go out, and then you'd hear tambourine, 1722 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:06.319 you'd see stuff coming out of the little box that 1723 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:09.279 she was in. Uh, And then the lights had come up, 1724 01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:11.600 they whipped the curtain back. She's still sitting there supposedly 1725 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.199 in a trance with her hands tied. Was all a 1726 01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:19.079 bunch of trickery. And they had people dressed in black 1727 01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:23.920 costumes like on a watch car, like black skin tight 1728 01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:26.560 stuff with a mask over their face. You couldn't see them. 1729 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:30.279 They're running around in the dark, shaking tambourines and throwing 1730 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.880 going the dark, ping pong balls and stuff. But I 1731 01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:37.680 could see how back in the day, people that didn't 1732 01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:39.840 know any better would would see something like that and 1733 01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:44.079 think that they were in the midst of those spirits manifesting. 1734 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:46.079 And I'm not saying that they can or that they don't, 1735 01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:48.720 but there was a lot of trickery, a lot of 1736 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:52.319 fakery out there, and people like Houdini, he spent his life, 1737 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:55.079 the later part of his life exposing those Oh yeah, 1738 01:27:55.640 --> 01:28:01.000 the book ectoplasm and the automatic writing and some of 1739 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:01.640 that stuff. 1740 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:05.880 Right, yeah, I said, there's a bunch of it. 1741 01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:11.359 But the thing was my grandmother and them, they they 1742 01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:14.119 didn't do it for a crowd, or do it for show, 1743 01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:17.039 or do it for money. Well, my grandmother told fortune 1744 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:19.319 she wouldn't wouldn't take any money for it. Now, if 1745 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:23.000 somebody wanted to give her something, might give her, you know, 1746 01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.119 a dozen eggs or basket apples or something. She would 1747 01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:29.079 take a donation like that. But she said, you know, 1748 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:32.239 if I have a gift, and what if you have 1749 01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:34.840 a gift, you give it away. You can't charge for it. 1750 01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:37.640 She said, what the buildings I have, they would be 1751 01:28:37.680 --> 01:28:41.239 taken from me. I started charging people for it. 1752 01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:45.439 And it's kind of the old mountain healers, you know, 1753 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.479 it's like me. You know, I'm a part of that, 1754 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:51.359 you know, the faith healing everything. Uh, you know, I 1755 01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:53.039 was taught how to you know, it was passed down 1756 01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:55.479 to me. Have to start blood and everything. But for 1757 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:58.159 something that can you know, they can take you know, 1758 01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:00.840 buy warts or something. You know, they can talk to 1759 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:02.039 fire out of somebody. 1760 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:05.800 Yeah, I heard people that could blow fire out, people 1761 01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:08.319 that blow warts off. My grandmother got rid of a 1762 01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:11.199 ward that I had on my thumb. Was she had 1763 01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:13.920 me rub some gravel on it, and then she told 1764 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:16.720 me to take those gravel and put them where somebody 1765 01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:19.600 would walk over them. And whoever walked over those gravel 1766 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:21.640 got my warrant or warp went away. I don't know 1767 01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:24.039 if anybody else got it or not. I don't know 1768 01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:26.720 if I just you know, the power of belief or 1769 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:29.960 mind over mad or what. But it was and she 1770 01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:32.920 knew things that she didn't have any way of knowing, 1771 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:35.640 right that. That used to amaze me. 1772 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:39.079 But I said, and that's one thing they told me, 1773 01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:40.359 you know, I said, when I was taught, when it 1774 01:29:40.399 --> 01:29:43.319 was passed down to me, that was the number one thing. 1775 01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:49.680 And they told me said, never charge nobody. You know, 1776 01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:53.359 it's a gift from the Lord, you know, they said, 1777 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:54.920 so you know, if you start using it for anything 1778 01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.880 like it, start charging, it can be taken away from you. 1779 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:01.640 Yeah. Yeah, that was that was her exact words. You 1780 01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:05.279 know that she had even prayed that if what she 1781 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:08.239 was doing was wrong, for it to be taken away 1782 01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:10.119 from her. And she said it came on or even 1783 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:11.560 stronger after. 1784 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.159 That, right right. And you know a lot of the 1785 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:17.880 no halers, you know, you know, anybody that was you know, 1786 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:19.560 a part of the you know, the old healers or 1787 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:22.119 anything like that. You know, they would tell you first 1788 01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:24.720 hay and straight out you know they're not the ones 1789 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:26.560 doing it. It's the Lord working through them. 1790 01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:30.560 Yeah. Yeah. My brother, the only sibling I had, he 1791 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:32.319 was seventeen years older than me. Like I said, I 1792 01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:36.079 was a latent life baby. He became a Pentecostal minister 1793 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:41.520 and they had a healing and deliverance ministry, and you know, 1794 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:43.399 he believed in it what he was doing. That's what 1795 01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:46.199 he'd say. He said, I'm just a vessel that God 1796 01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.039 works through me. And I've been to some of those 1797 01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:52.319 healing services and seen stuff happen. You know that just 1798 01:30:52.680 --> 01:30:54.920 that's not supposed to happen, but it does. And that's 1799 01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:58.319 the power of the Almighty there who worked with those people. 1800 01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:02.720 And some of the delivering stuff. I didn't stick around 1801 01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:04.800 for that. They cast demons out of people and stuff 1802 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:07.640 like that, And I thought about that part in the 1803 01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:10.720 Bible where Jesus cast the demons out somebody and they 1804 01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:14.880 went into the swine. The swine cast themselves into the sea. 1805 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:17.319 I thought, well, when those demons come out of there, 1806 01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:18.960 they're going to go somewhere, and I don't want it 1807 01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:22.239 to be in the I wouldn't hang around for stuff 1808 01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:24.960 like that. But he had stories, Jared, that would make 1809 01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:28.640 your toes curl. Stuff, stuff that he came up against. 1810 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:34.039 And I asked him one time about ghosts of the 1811 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:36.640 supernatural and things like that. He believed in it. He said, 1812 01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:41.199 when Christ reappeared after the resurrection, he said to his disciple, 1813 01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:45.000 he said, it's me. I'm not a ghost. And he said, 1814 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:50.279 why would Jesus reference something that didn't exist. And another thing, 1815 01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:53.359 he said that everything that we considered the natural world, 1816 01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:57.199 he said, that was all spoken forth out of the supernatural. 1817 01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:01.600 If you believe the Bible, he said, the laws of 1818 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.319 nature and physics and science things that he said, those 1819 01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:08.239 are man's laws to measure the environment the world that 1820 01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:10.640 we live in. He said, but those laws don't apply 1821 01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:13.319 to God. God can do anything that's right. And that 1822 01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:16.880 made the most sense of anything I've ever heard as 1823 01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:20.920 far as an explanation for the supernatural and how things 1824 01:32:20.920 --> 01:32:26.600 can happen. Even my dad, being a scientist, he would say, well, 1825 01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:29.239 there's things that this aren't supposed to happen. That he said, 1826 01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:33.039 even in the laboratory, we had anomalous things happen, things 1827 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:35.520 that we could not get it to repeat, you know, 1828 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:38.800 under controlled conditions, it would do something one time and 1829 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:40.279 then they could never get it to do it again, 1830 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.199 and the rest of the time it behave like it 1831 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:45.720 was supposed to. Right. So there's so much out there 1832 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:48.399 that we don't understand. And it's like you're talking about 1833 01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:50.520 people that have these abilities and stuff. I think that 1834 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:55.399 is something that's born into us, and it's been taught 1835 01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:57.680 out of us if you will that, Oh that doesn't 1836 01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:01.000 work or you can't believe in that. But back in 1837 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:03.159 the day, you know, those people, they got along somehow, 1838 01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:06.439 And I think things like being able to know things 1839 01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:08.600 over a distance and things like that, that was just 1840 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:12.159 something an inate ability, a trade if you will, that 1841 01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:15.680 we were born with. But it's been convenienced out of 1842 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:19.520 us with all the worldly stuff that you know. Now 1843 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:24.560 everything's instant everything instant gratification. You have TikTok and stuff 1844 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:27.319 like that. And lucky to hold people's attention for two 1845 01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:29.840 or three minutes. I had somebody come at me in 1846 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.600 the comments not too long ago, like, why have you 1847 01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:34.920 got a twenty five second intro on here? What do 1848 01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:37.279 you think this is television? Well, you know, I have 1849 01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:40.000 production values. I do it like a TV. I have 1850 01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:42.640 an introduction, tell you what I'm going to talk about, 1851 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:45.399 then I talk about the cases, then I have a 1852 01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:47.680 conclusion in an outro that's just you know, the way 1853 01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:51.520 I do. You can't sit through a twenty five second 1854 01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:56.520 intro then my channel ain't for you, you know. But 1855 01:33:56.760 --> 01:33:59.479 that's the amazing thing to me about your channel is 1856 01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:03.600 just the sheer number of stories you've been able to collect. Now, 1857 01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:07.079 last night I did a Halloween Lives term that's my birthday, 1858 01:34:07.239 --> 01:34:11.560 my dog too, oh birthday, Well, thank you? And uh, 1859 01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:16.119 I read some listener stories and things and read an 1860 01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:17.920 old story of a book that was one of my 1861 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.840 favorites as a kid. Did you do anything special for 1862 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:23.359 Halloween on your channel? Uh? 1863 01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:26.000 Yeah, I did it, But I did it Monday. Uh. 1864 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:28.239 I did a stream because a lot of my folks 1865 01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:30.960 I was on a previous dream, you know, before Halloween. 1866 01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:34.159 Everybody's talking about you know, having to you know take 1867 01:34:34.199 --> 01:34:37.079 the kids trigger treating or their grandkids or something, you know, 1868 01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:38.720 and I thought, well, probably won't be a lot of 1869 01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:42.479 people on. So I did a Halloween stream Monday, you know, 1870 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.399 told some more stories and things like that. And then 1871 01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:48.520 on Halloween last night, I uploaded the video that was 1872 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.439 originally for channel members only, but I thought, you know what, 1873 01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:54.399 it was kind of spooky and everything, so I uploaded 1874 01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:55.720 in that was my newest upload. 1875 01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:01.359 Yeah. Now, Monday night, I did h disappearances people that 1876 01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:05.479 went missing on Halloween and I premiered that late because 1877 01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:07.680 I knew other people that were doing shows and things. 1878 01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:11.079 I think we premiered it like at eleven PM, and 1879 01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.720 I had almost two hundred people in there at eleven 1880 01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:17.039 o'clock on a Monday night. I was amazed at the 1881 01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:20.439 premiere and it did well afterwards. And then last night 1882 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:24.880 I did my Halloween stream at eight o'clock. Figured up, 1883 01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:27.439 at least on the East coast, the trigger treating was 1884 01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:29.880 over with. But I even had people in the chat 1885 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:33.039 say I'm out trigger treating with my kids right now 1886 01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:37.159 listening on the phone. Had a good time. I'll have 1887 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:38.880 to get back over there to look and see what 1888 01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:42.640 you did on Halloween. I am a subscriber and I'm 1889 01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:45.119 also a memory of your channel. I like being able 1890 01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:46.760 to support what you do over there. 1891 01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:49.439 Well, God bless you, brother, I sure do appreciate that, 1892 01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:51.720 sure enough, because I said, when I first started this, 1893 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:55.520 I thought, Lord, you know, I love those stories and 1894 01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.000 love telling them. You know, I thought, but shoot, ain't 1895 01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:00.359 nobody going to listen to a you know, old was 1896 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:03.920 countable with hell stories, you know. And after I got 1897 01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.520 to tell him some, you know, I run into uh 1898 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:08.880 Donny Laws and got to look at him his channel 1899 01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:10.560 and everything, and I was like, welly, he does pretty 1900 01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:12.600 much samething I do, you know. And I got to 1901 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:13.960 on him and all the time I me and he 1902 01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:16.600 was gonna become pretty good buddies, you know. He got 1903 01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:18.680 to tell me, you know, give me some tips and stuff, 1904 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:20.840 you know about my ed and and everything you ought 1905 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:22.479 to make him a little better and everything, you know. 1906 01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:25.880 And it's just been an amazing journey. And I've met 1907 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:30.640 literally I've been blessed with being able to meet some 1908 01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:33.880 of the most amazing people you know, you included, and 1909 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:39.279 it's it's it's it really is a blessing. And I've 1910 01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:44.640 always said that the Good Lord lets everything happen for 1911 01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:47.840 a reason. There's a reason for everything. We may not 1912 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:50.119 know the reason now, but there's a reason for it. 1913 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:53.039 Yeah. Yeah, a lot of stuff you don't realize it 1914 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:57.880 until hindsight, retrospective, and sometimes not even then. That's the 1915 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:01.239 way I feel, Uh was missing person stuff And I'm 1916 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:03.760 doing not something that's been laid on my heart to do, 1917 01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:06.680 and the Lord has blessed us to allow us to 1918 01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:09.279 continue to do this and grow like we have. But 1919 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:13.199 I've always said that if I bring one person home 1920 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:17.000 or give one family closure. Then I'm doing what I 1921 01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:18.880 need to be, doing what I feel called to do it. 1922 01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:23.560 It's been laid upon me as a calling. I'll always 1923 01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:26.800 focus on the missing. Now I do this spooky stuff 1924 01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:30.239 and things like that too, but I like being the missing, 1925 01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:34.880 the missing stuff to be my primary focus. And yeah, 1926 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:38.000 you're talking about learning. I'll just I didn't know anything 1927 01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:39.760 when I started out. I just like I said, I 1928 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:43.800 just kind of fell into it backwards. And I wanted 1929 01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:46.520 to be a part of the horror narration community and 1930 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:48.119 I thought, well, I'd like to have a channel. And 1931 01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:50.880 I thought, well, what would I narrate? Where do they 1932 01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:53.640 get their stories? And I thought, well, dummy, you've got 1933 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:56.520 At that time, I had three books, and I want 1934 01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.039 to read stories out of your books. So I started 1935 01:37:59.079 --> 01:38:01.960 doing that and it just kind of grew from there. 1936 01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:05.079 But yeah, we do everything in house. My wife writes 1937 01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:09.159 for me, and then I do the of course, they 1938 01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:11.800 were the narrating, recording, the audio editing, and then I 1939 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:14.880 put the videos together and handle all the stuff on 1940 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:17.279 the back end. She produces a lot of stuff for me, 1941 01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:21.319 but she's the most incredible writer this old Hillbilly's ever. 1942 01:38:21.159 --> 01:38:25.159 Seen, got she got some talent, two. 1943 01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:31.039 Master's degrees and almost a third. Never been married, no kids, 1944 01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:34.720 no bad habits, match made to heaven. She thinks I 1945 01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:37.439 hung the moon. She's twenty two years younger than I am. 1946 01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:38.720 So God has blessed me. 1947 01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:42.640 Well, sorry, that's a blessing rap there all on its own. 1948 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:48.640 Yeah, but just just you know, hang in there, don't settle, 1949 01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:53.000 and God's got planned for you out there. And I 1950 01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:55.159 love it. I mean I love what I do. Uh, 1951 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:58.720 this YouTube has been my job for the last oh 1952 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:01.600 four or five years anyway, between that and the books, 1953 01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:04.239 you know, I haven't had to work a regular job, 1954 01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:08.039 a public job in years. And then that's a blessing 1955 01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:10.800 to not have to punch a clock or oh yeah, 1956 01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:13.319 I did a lot of you know, tech support. I 1957 01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:15.359 did that sort of thing, and that I worked in 1958 01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:19.640 call centers doing technical support. And that's that's a meat grinder, 1959 01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:23.439 take eighty ninety one hundred calls a day, you know. 1960 01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:26.800 I just I don't see how I did it, and 1961 01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:29.520 glad that I don't have to do it anymore. 1962 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.439 I hear that, brother, Well, you know, and that's one 1963 01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:34.319 thing too, you know, I said I found you, I 1964 01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:36.079 come across short Town. You know, it was months and 1965 01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:40.840 months ago, and I said, I the first video, I 1966 01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:44.479 was hooked, you know, and I got to watch and everything, 1967 01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:48.119 and I thought, you know, it's a blessing what you're doing. 1968 01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:51.720 It really is, because you never know when you're going 1969 01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:55.279 to upload a video or one of your previous videos 1970 01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:58.920 get watched by somebody and they're like, hey, I've seen 1971 01:39:58.920 --> 01:39:59.399 this person. 1972 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:03.399 You know, yeah exactly. And I started doing lives on 1973 01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:09.039 Friday nights or I do current missing person cases, and 1974 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:12.640 Nicole really digs in and researches on those and make 1975 01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:15.279 sure that you know that we're not putting any bad 1976 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:20.000 information out there. The person hasn't been found yet, and uh, 1977 01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:22.760 I mean we have stuff that's just people have been 1978 01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:25.159 missing two or three days sometimes you know, that's it's 1979 01:40:25.159 --> 01:40:27.720 still fresh. They're still out there, and like you said, 1980 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.600 somebody might say, hey I saw that guy at the 1981 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.199 gas station, or hey I saw that teenage girl at 1982 01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:34.239 the bus stop. I better let somebody. 1983 01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:35.159 Know, right. 1984 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:37.880 So again, it's just we do what we feel like 1985 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.520 we're being led to do, and you can't go wrong 1986 01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:41.800 if you're doing that. 1987 01:40:42.279 --> 01:40:44.199 Amen to that, brother, because like I said, you never 1988 01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:47.000 know when you're gonna bring a family back together, or 1989 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:49.760 bring a loved one back or find somebody's you know, 1990 01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:51.039 missing jilt, you know. 1991 01:40:51.279 --> 01:40:53.960 Yeah, and just I mean that would have to tear 1992 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:56.920 your heart out. I can't imagine. I mean enough that 1993 01:40:56.920 --> 01:41:00.960 they're found deceased and then you know they have a 1994 01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:03.680 grave or ashes or something that way, but that not 1995 01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:07.119 knowing you know, whether they're alive or dead, or they hungry, 1996 01:41:07.119 --> 01:41:09.960 are they cold? Are they in trouble? Has somebody got them? 1997 01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:14.000 And like a lot of these runaways, you don't know 1998 01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:16.760 that there's necessarily still a runaway. I mean, you run 1999 01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:20.239 away and then somebody abduct you went from bad to worse. 2000 01:41:20.399 --> 01:41:24.119 So like spreading the word, keeping you know, names and 2001 01:41:24.159 --> 01:41:27.800 faces out there and try to like I said, if 2002 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:30.920 we bring one person home or give one family closure, 2003 01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:33.520 then that's what we're supposed to be doing. 2004 01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:36.159 Amen of that, brother, But. 2005 01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:42.000 I appreciate you watching the channel and put a lot 2006 01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:44.319 of work in on it. And people don't realize how 2007 01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:46.680 much work goes into some of these YouTube videos and 2008 01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:49.199 so like you, you actually do it and you think 2009 01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:51.720 they're gone. You know, this is as you got to 2010 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:55.600 make sure, especially with missing persons or anything like that 2011 01:41:55.600 --> 01:42:00.039 that's based in things, actual events and actual life. I 2012 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.680 have some people, and I've had the families of some 2013 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:05.600 of these people come in and watch the videos and 2014 01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:08.279 say thank you, you know, for putting my daughter or 2015 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:10.399 my sister, my brother, my parents out there. 2016 01:42:11.359 --> 01:42:13.159 And that's what makes it all work there right there. 2017 01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:18.479 Yeah and yeah, just those people. You know. I want 2018 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:20.920 to be a voice for those that no longer have 2019 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:23.880 a voice. And that's the other thing. God has blessed 2020 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:25.680 me with a voice that people like to listen to. 2021 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:28.520 I don't hear it myself. I've never liked the way 2022 01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:34.840 I said I did. I'm just educated, he'll billy and 2023 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:37.439 but people say, you know, I listened to you to 2024 01:42:37.479 --> 01:42:41.760 go to sleep, or I've got chronic pain, I've got PTSD, 2025 01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:46.199 i've got fibromyalgia, I've got panic and anxiety disorder. Your 2026 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:49.119 voice calms me down. I like to listen to you. 2027 01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:52.760 So you know, God bless them, and He's blessed me 2028 01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:54.640 with a voice. Again. He's given me a gift, and 2029 01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:58.000 I turn around and give it to everybody else. So say, 2030 01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:00.680 I've listened to you, read the phone book or cereal box. 2031 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:07.319 Yeah I got Yeah, I just I've got the gift 2032 01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:09.439 to gab. My dad used to accuse me that I 2033 01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:11.920 could talk until I thought of what I wanted to say, 2034 01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:14.079 and that probably ain't far from the truth. 2035 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:19.439 Oh but you know, I'd rather be around somebody like it, 2036 01:43:19.479 --> 01:43:20.840 if somebody that don't locked out. 2037 01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:25.439 Yeah, exactly, somebody that's and that's the way I used 2038 01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:27.760 to be. There was a time when I was so introverted. 2039 01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:30.399 I've run into people that went to high school with 2040 01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:32.760 and say, I went to high school with you for 2041 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:34.680 four years and you never said a word. You were 2042 01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:37.239 stuck up, too good to talk to the rest of us. 2043 01:43:37.279 --> 01:43:39.399 I'm like, no, I wasn't. I just shy and backward. 2044 01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:42.520 You I didn't know what to say, right. I didn't 2045 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.199 have any confidence, any self confidence or anything, and just 2046 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:49.000 kept myself to myself. And now here I am, you know, 2047 01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:54.600 get hundreds of thousands of views every twenty eight days, 2048 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:58.399 and I just it's amazing, you know, the things that 2049 01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:00.840 can happen, and you know it's it's because of the 2050 01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:04.680 Internet and this blessing that's all. You know. I've got 2051 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:08.359 listeners in all over the world, Australia, Canada, the UK. 2052 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.039 October is always a busy month for me. It's spooky season. 2053 01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:16.079 Everybody wants me to come on and talk. And I've 2054 01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:18.920 been on shows throughout the country and on the UK. 2055 01:44:20.960 --> 01:44:23.640 Used to go on to Clyde's show, Clyde Lewis's show 2056 01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:26.319 as a guest. I knew him from Portland. I've been 2057 01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:29.920 in his studio before live and well night, I was 2058 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.479 having a bad dream and I woke up and this 2059 01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:34.479 oriented and all shook up. And I looked at my 2060 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:37.920 email and it was his producer, Ron Patt, and He's like, 2061 01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:39.760 how'd you like to have a show on the ground 2062 01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:43.680 zero radio network. Me and Clyde been talking and I 2063 01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:46.000 love it and I've got them out of the lurch. 2064 01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:50.159 Before too, they'd have a guest cancel and Ron would 2065 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:51.720 get a hold of me. If it's something I knew 2066 01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:53.640 enough about that I could go on and talk, I'd 2067 01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:55.520 go on and do it, or I'd at least try 2068 01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:57.479 to find him. So because I know everybody, you know 2069 01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:02.199 one of those people and only met a stranger one 2070 01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:06.199 time and set of a lot of guests and stuff, 2071 01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:09.760 and you know, they remembered me, and I'm happy to 2072 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:12.000 be That's been one of my dreams is to be 2073 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:14.720 on the radio. And here I am just turned sixty 2074 01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:19.000 years old yesterday and I've got a radio show. I 2075 01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:21.239 love it. Man, just as God is good, God has 2076 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:21.720 blessed me. 2077 01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:26.479 Amen to that, brother, Amen to that. You know, years ago, 2078 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:29.359 I'm guessing neither one of us would dream where we're at. 2079 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:34.039 No idea. And I wanted to be like a radio DJ, 2080 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:36.800 you know, disc jockey. And there was a trade school 2081 01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:40.000 there in Knoxville called the National Academy of Broadcasting. I'd 2082 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:41.880 made plans to go there since I was like ten 2083 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:45.000 eleven years old, and I swear the week the week 2084 01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:47.800 I graduated high school it closed its doors forever. 2085 01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:48.920 Oh. 2086 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:52.479 But I ended up going to University of Tennessee and 2087 01:45:52.520 --> 01:45:56.960 I was going to major in communications there and some 2088 01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:03.640 of the courses that you had to take high functioning autism. 2089 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:07.319 I'm an aspy and I have a mild number dyslexia, 2090 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:10.199 and anything to do with math or anything like that, 2091 01:46:10.319 --> 01:46:16.399 it's just it doesn't click with me. Even I was 2092 01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:18.000 talking to the guidance counselor and I said, you know, 2093 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:19.960 don't want to do this, and he was laying out 2094 01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:25.119 the coursework and radio wave propagation and how towers work 2095 01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:27.880 and the equipment. I'm like, dude, I don't want to 2096 01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:29.760 build a radio station. I said, I just want to 2097 01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:32.560 sit in front my talk right right. 2098 01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:35.359 I mean, you know, when I was in school, I 2099 01:46:35.399 --> 01:46:38.600 always like, I said, I love to talk, and I'd 2100 01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:41.199 be in class or something like it. You know, I'd 2101 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:43.399 be talking to my buddies or something like that and everything, 2102 01:46:43.439 --> 01:46:46.039 you know, and my teacher told me, I said, I 2103 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:48.399 was always the one they told me that would never 2104 01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:49.239 amount to nothing. 2105 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:52.880 YEP. I used to hear that. I ended up majoring 2106 01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:55.399 in English because I liked writing and wanted to write. 2107 01:46:55.479 --> 01:46:58.800 But for the type of books I write, that that's overkill. 2108 01:46:59.239 --> 01:47:03.439 A freshman opposition class, maybe a creative writing class just 2109 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:07.359 to learn dialogue and things like that, and a good 2110 01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:10.800 thesaurus and a dictionary and maybe an ap style book. 2111 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:14.159 That's all you need. People ask me, you know, how 2112 01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:15.720 do you do that? You just you sit down and 2113 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.000 just starts with the first word, the first sentence. And 2114 01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:22.960 the trick I ask is, especially if I'm writing fiction, Okay, 2115 01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:26.600 what happens next? I tell myself the story and then 2116 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:31.479 go back through the edit and tell everybody else I 2117 01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:34.479 love it. I can't not create I can't not write. 2118 01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:37.399 I've got the YouTube channel, I've got the radio and 2119 01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:40.199 I've got several YouTube channels. I got the radio show. 2120 01:47:40.840 --> 01:47:42.760 I've got a blog that I'm doing where I put 2121 01:47:42.760 --> 01:47:45.479 stuff out. I've published all these books, and now my 2122 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:50.319 publishers decided they won't be to do audiobook excuse me, 2123 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:54.960 audiobook versions of my own books. And then since I've 2124 01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:56.920 started doing those, they've come to me and say, well, 2125 01:47:56.920 --> 01:47:59.159 how'd you like to do the audio versions of these books? 2126 01:47:59.159 --> 01:48:02.720 I'm doing West and uh, I don't even read the Westerns, 2127 01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:04.479 but you know, I'll give it a shot. I think 2128 01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:09.000 I can know how they partner Louis lit Moore and 2129 01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:11.439 Zane Gray or that kind of stuff. It's in that vein, 2130 01:48:11.479 --> 01:48:15.359 but it's modern, newly read and stuff. But uh, I'm 2131 01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:18.439 having the time of my life. Man. It's just hanging. 2132 01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:21.560 I mean there was time a few years ago. I 2133 01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:24.039 was never suicidal or anything, but I didn't care whether 2134 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:26.560 I lived or died. My family was gone. I've been 2135 01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:29.399 there just kind of you know, dark knight of the 2136 01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:32.239 soul there. But Gods, I just hang on, you know, 2137 01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:35.520 And now now here I am married, I got all 2138 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:38.760 this stuff going on. Started my own publishing company. The 2139 01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:39.880 happiest I've ever been. 2140 01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:42.039 And uh, well bless. 2141 01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:44.920 You too, brother. Just hang in there, keep fighting the 2142 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:47.920 good fight. Good things are coming in. I'm excited to 2143 01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:50.039 go into a book venture with you, Jared. 2144 01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:52.399 This will be me too, man, because I've always wanted 2145 01:48:52.439 --> 01:48:53.880 to do it, but never had the means or the 2146 01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:57.680 know how or anything. I can't so as again, everything 2147 01:48:57.760 --> 01:48:58.680 happens for a reason. 2148 01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:02.760 Yeah, and uh, I'll be happily happy to mentor you 2149 01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:05.880 and guide you and help you in that respect as 2150 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:10.920 your publisher and as your friend. I've had several Amazon bestsellers, 2151 01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:13.960 so I don't know how to do it. I couldn't 2152 01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:15.960 teach a class in or anything, but I know a 2153 01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:16.560 few tricks. 2154 01:49:17.119 --> 01:49:19.439 Well shoote yeah, brother, anything will be a blessing, that's 2155 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:19.840 for sure. 2156 01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:22.520 Good deal. Well, we're gonna have to wrap it up 2157 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:24.640 here pretty soon. They only give me two hours. We're 2158 01:49:24.680 --> 01:49:27.880 just getting started. But before we go, would you bless 2159 01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:30.600 us with one more creepy story from Appalachia? 2160 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:35.000 I sure can, brother. Here's the one I told other 2161 01:49:35.159 --> 01:49:38.520 not said. There was an old witch lived up in 2162 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:42.319 the hills of Pennsylvania. And now they said that this 2163 01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:46.560 old woman said that the funny thing was, said everybody 2164 01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:49.600 in them heels, you know know what everybody else, you know, 2165 01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:53.760 But they said this woman, her and her cabin. They said, 2166 01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:57.520 it was just almost like they just appeared overnight. And 2167 01:49:57.680 --> 01:50:00.680 said that she would you know, said you weren't mean 2168 01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:02.840 or anything like that. But they said that she was 2169 01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:07.000 just kind of odd acting, you know. Says she even 2170 01:50:07.039 --> 01:50:09.880 told people she was a witch, you know, but said 2171 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:15.600 that they just didn't want to go around her or 2172 01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:18.640 anything like that, you know, and said oftentimes, you know, 2173 01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:21.279 they said she'd be standing out there, you know, in 2174 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:23.439 the distance, you know, just staring at him or something. 2175 01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:28.199 You know. Well, they said, one day she went down 2176 01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:31.239 to the general store down there and said she was 2177 01:50:31.239 --> 01:50:33.359 telling the old general store owners. She said, I know 2178 01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:37.239 who wants my treasure, and naturally they didn't know what 2179 01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:40.119 in the world she's talking about, you know. She said, well, 2180 01:50:40.119 --> 01:50:42.119 I'm telling you I know who it is. I know 2181 01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:46.479 exactly who wants my treasure. They ain't getting it. Well, 2182 01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:49.560 said it went on. Everything said not long after that, 2183 01:50:49.720 --> 01:50:52.560 said she was out of picking berries one morning and 2184 01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:54.600 said she fell off a little ledge air and heart 2185 01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:57.560 her help. Well, today's old feller out there, you know, 2186 01:50:57.640 --> 01:50:59.560 squirrel hunting, you know, because that's how they used to 2187 01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:01.439 you know, feed your family and stuff. You know, if 2188 01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:03.279 you wanted to hunt, you wanted to eat, you know, 2189 01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:05.520 you hunted fish for it or grew it. 2190 01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:05.800 You know. 2191 01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:09.119 Well, anyhow he was out there hunting and he's he 2192 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:12.680 run up on her. Well, he got her, helped her 2193 01:51:12.720 --> 01:51:15.319 back to her cabin there. Soon as he got her back, 2194 01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:17.479 she run him off. Said you stay away, you got 2195 01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:19.279 one out of here. You ain't getting my treasure neither, 2196 01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:24.159 you know. Well said that it got to where she couldn't, 2197 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:26.880 you know, mister her hip hop. She couldn't do nothing. 2198 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:30.640 So said she couldn't guard her land or whatever treasure 2199 01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:33.840 she was talking about or anything. So they said she 2200 01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:37.760 conjured up something that would said all the old timers 2201 01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:42.279 stuff said. They called it old Rod said, because that's 2202 01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:45.479 about how it looked and how it smelled. They said, 2203 01:51:45.479 --> 01:51:47.720 this thing had bone sticking out you could see, had 2204 01:51:47.720 --> 01:51:50.319 an old what it looked like like a brown like 2205 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:56.279 cloak like thing. And said it just just kind of 2206 01:51:56.920 --> 01:52:00.279 mos it around, you know, just back and forth, you send. 2207 01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:06.359 They walked all night and all day. And that's one 2208 01:52:06.399 --> 01:52:08.439 thing too about that things you know. They said that 2209 01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:10.800 it would stare at you, and said it would give 2210 01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:13.560 you the feeling that you've been watched, you know, and 2211 01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:15.920 said if somebody would trespass on her land, you know, 2212 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:18.680 or anything hunting or whatever, they said, it'd just show 2213 01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:21.159 up out of nowhere, you know, and just charge at him, 2214 01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:25.880 you know, run them off, you know, and everything. And 2215 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:30.960 so I said that eventually, you know, time in the 2216 01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:33.319 old days, like it does with everybody called up to her. 2217 01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:39.640 She passed on. But it was said that she didn't 2218 01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:42.720 release him from his duties. And they say now that 2219 01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:45.560 he roams the hills there, but not only there. She 2220 01:52:45.680 --> 01:52:48.840 weren't there to tell him to stay in that area. 2221 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:52.920 So they say now the old rot roams all through 2222 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:57.359 the hills throughout the old apple Atian Mountains. So if 2223 01:52:57.359 --> 01:52:59.640 any of you folks are ever out in these old mountains, 2224 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:03.079 were in the woods camping or just on a hike 2225 01:53:03.319 --> 01:53:06.520 or just out on a walk, you ever get the 2226 01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:12.960 feet and you're beingtched, maybe smell a dead animal, keep 2227 01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:15.920 your eye out, just might be Old Rod. 2228 01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:21.680 Wow, what a great story. You gave me. Chills there, Jared, 2229 01:53:23.039 --> 01:53:25.680 because I've had that happen. I've been out and feel 2230 01:53:25.720 --> 01:53:29.600 like something was out there watching me. Old rot was 2231 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:34.439 what was what I was experiencing. Love those stories, and uh, 2232 01:53:35.079 --> 01:53:36.880 I'll have to have you back sometime. I want to 2233 01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:39.800 get into more the the not only the hands and 2234 01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:42.800 the boogers, but the witches too. My granny, even though 2235 01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:46.000 she claimed to be a witch, she didn't like other 2236 01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:49.479 witches because things could your your your stuff could get 2237 01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:52.479 be witched. She'd call it. Oh yeah. She told me 2238 01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:56.920 a story one time about somebody that their cows went dry, 2239 01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:59.640 and uh, out in the woods, they come across an 2240 01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:02.880 old one and that had built a fake cow and 2241 01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:06.479 effigy out of sticks and limbs and was milking it, 2242 01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:10.000 and milk was coming out of the stick utters that 2243 01:54:10.079 --> 01:54:14.199 had had on it. And her husband went out there 2244 01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:17.359 and didn't shoot the woman, but shot above her head 2245 01:54:17.399 --> 01:54:20.359 with a shotgun, and she run off and they tore 2246 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:23.920 that stick cow apart, and then their cows start giving 2247 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:26.199 milk again. There's all kinds of weird stuff like that 2248 01:54:26.319 --> 01:54:30.439 out there that oh yeah or something like that. 2249 01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:32.640 Yeah yeah, I take old dish ragness and they take 2250 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:34.319 an axe and hit it and milk it like an 2251 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:38.199 utter yep, And uh, I could do a whole segment 2252 01:54:38.239 --> 01:54:39.119 on Witches. 2253 01:54:42.079 --> 01:54:46.319 Witches Night. Then we have a good uh looking forward 2254 01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:49.279 to it. Well again, Jared, thanks for being my guest 2255 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:53.399 here on Uh. We're actually recording this on All Saints Day, 2256 01:54:53.479 --> 01:54:56.119 the day after Halloween. But I think the veils still 2257 01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:59.359 thin out there. In fact, people I know that are 2258 01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:02.000 into it things like that. They said, it's not only 2259 01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:04.880 finn this time of year, of course, but it's getting 2260 01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:07.600 thinner all the time. There's something going on, something about 2261 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:08.079 to happen. 2262 01:55:08.760 --> 01:55:10.000 Oh yeah, it's very possible. 2263 01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:15.079 The world's changing. But again, your YouTube channel, get Jared, 2264 01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:18.960 let me start that over again. Your YouTube channel, Jared 2265 01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:22.840 King TV. Go over there, subscribe, become a channel member 2266 01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:26.439 like I am. You won't be disappointed. If you want 2267 01:55:26.479 --> 01:55:30.399 to hear some stories from southern Appalachia. It's like remember 2268 01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:32.960 the old fox Fire books. It's like that series come 2269 01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:34.800 to life. I think I would liken it to that. 2270 01:55:35.720 --> 01:55:38.359 Well, like I said, I welcome everybody in. It's ken folk. 2271 01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:42.760 I go live on Wednesdays and Sundays at eight pm 2272 01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:47.279 Central Standard time, and everybody's welcome in. I treat everybody 2273 01:55:47.319 --> 01:55:50.359 as family, and I said, we just come in. Sometimes 2274 01:55:50.399 --> 01:55:52.239 I'll tell the stories sometimes they get to run in 2275 01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:54.319 my mouth and we just end up talking the whole time. 2276 01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:57.800 A good time to be had by one and all. 2277 01:55:58.920 --> 01:56:03.359 Once again, thanks for being here, and I'll leave links 2278 01:56:03.399 --> 01:56:05.560 and how to get to you in the show notes. 2279 01:56:07.359 --> 01:56:09.359 God bless you. You have a good evening and I'll 2280 01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:10.600 be talking to you soon. 2281 01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:12.560 Sounds good, brother, have a good one. 2282 01:56:14.479 --> 01:56:17.600 I'm Steve Stockton and I'll see you a little farther 2283 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:20.680 on down the trail. Have a good night.