Speaker 1: You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.
Speaker 2: Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you, welcome to everything
Speaker 2: out there and joining me tonight on the phone. It's
Speaker 2: Jared King from Jared King TV. Great YouTube channel. Tells
Speaker 2: a lot of Appalachian stories over there. He's gonna favor
Speaker 2: us with some tonight. Jared. How you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good, brother. How you making it?
Speaker 2: I'm making it great. Thanks for joining us on here.
Speaker 2: Right after Halloween. Still spooky season for me, though it's
Speaker 2: that way all year round.
Speaker 1: Oh brother, I know the failing. I like that spooky
Speaker 1: side of it.
Speaker 2: They're in Appalachia, Southern Appalachia. It's full of it. As Mike,
Speaker 2: Granny used to say, there's a hate never holler.
Speaker 1: Boys. She sure wos rid on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She grew up in the Cage Cove area and
Speaker 2: she said mountains, it's beautiful and stuff up in there.
Speaker 2: But I said, don't let it catch you out after dark.
Speaker 2: And that's when she's added, there's a hate never holler.
Speaker 2: But I believe it. There's all kinds of stories down
Speaker 2: There's so many legends and spooky stuff, and not only that,
Speaker 2: superstitions and omens and warnings and portant. She was a
Speaker 2: nowadays they call her a granny witch. But uh she
Speaker 2: told fortunes, red tea leaves, coffee grounds, all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. But uh, oh man, Uh thankful that I
Speaker 2: have that side. Uh have that kind of upbringing on
Speaker 2: that side. It's you know, that was my normal. I
Speaker 2: didn't know any better, right, So tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit about yourself and what all you've got going on.
Speaker 1: Uh. Well, like you said, I'm Jerry King TV. And uh,
Speaker 1: I just I've always loved I mean ever since I
Speaker 1: was a little o'be fail, you know, in the mountains.
Speaker 1: I grew up in the hills of Tennessee, and I
Speaker 1: grew up up in an old cabin, you know, when
Speaker 1: I grew up around my grandparents and you know, theird
Speaker 1: friends and cousins and things like that. And I was
Speaker 1: usually the odd child out there, you know, I was
Speaker 1: you know, I was that young, and everybody kind of
Speaker 1: wondered about it because I was the one. Instead of
Speaker 1: wanting to play, you know, I set around the list
Speaker 1: of folks tell old stories exactly.
Speaker 2: And you and I are cut from the same class.
Speaker 1: Brother, absolutely, man. And you know, and I absorbed these stories,
Speaker 1: you know, and I loved them. I couldn't get enough
Speaker 1: of them, you know. And then when I started YouTube,
Speaker 1: you know, I done a little bit of this a
Speaker 1: little lad tried a little bit of ghost hunting. That
Speaker 1: didn't work out for me, and turned out I was
Speaker 1: too scared. I'm a brave feiller, but my feet don't
Speaker 1: know it, you know. And so I got into the
Speaker 1: storytelling stuff, you know. And that's what everybody told me, said,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what you're supposed to do. Stick
Speaker 1: with that. And I've been doing it ever since.
Speaker 2: And it looks like it's working out for you. Last
Speaker 2: time I looked you had I was a thirteen point
Speaker 2: five k subs over there. Yeah, yeah, I hopefully we'll
Speaker 2: get you some more over there tonight. I started out
Speaker 2: doing the spooky stuff and the scary stuff too. I
Speaker 2: had thirteen past midnight and I just recently passed thirteen
Speaker 2: thousand over there. But I kind of fell into this
Speaker 2: missing person thing backwards. I'd always had an interest in
Speaker 2: it from early childhood. When Dennis Martin went missing. That happened.
Speaker 2: I was living in Knoxville at the time, same town
Speaker 2: as Dennis, and I remember that being big news, and
Speaker 2: I went out and looked for him on the little
Speaker 2: country road that we lived on. I'm thinking, well, we
Speaker 2: don't live that far from the Smokies, but it was,
Speaker 2: you know, close if you were driving. But got out
Speaker 2: there on my little swinsting right and looked around for
Speaker 2: him and been looking ever since.
Speaker 1: You never know, you know.
Speaker 2: But I'd done some videos over there about people that
Speaker 2: had gone missing in the Smokies and that just really
Speaker 2: took off and ended up doing some other things, and
Speaker 2: then ended up with my own channel now doing that
Speaker 2: sort of thing and probably gonna hit one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: subs right around Thanksgiving or so so and my response
Speaker 2: has been great. Course I've been with another channel, built
Speaker 2: over a quarter million over there, and then had a
Speaker 2: falling out with my business partner, so I started my
Speaker 2: own channel in I think I started this, I want
Speaker 2: to say February or March. So I'm doing pretty good
Speaker 2: to hit one hundred k in just a few months there.
Speaker 2: So I love what I do. I love the storytelling.
Speaker 2: I love pondering about those missing people and things, but
Speaker 2: still love those Appalachian stories. I've got a video over there,
Speaker 2: creepy tales and legends. Yeah, I remember that along the
Speaker 2: Appalachian Trail or near it. Now you're if I remember
Speaker 2: research working you're in Goodlssville, Is that right?
Speaker 1: McMinnville, Mcmanville.
Speaker 2: Okay, my geography is where is that in regards to Nashville.
Speaker 1: It's about about an hour and a half south of Nashville.
Speaker 2: Okay, she's down close to what is down there Mississippi Arkansas,
Speaker 2: very close to the border there on the southern part.
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, it's uh, it's kind of Middle
Speaker 1: Tennessee on the eastern side, just right on the Appalachian
Speaker 1: edge there. Yeah, everything that's probably maybe maybe three four
Speaker 1: counties away from the you know, Georgia Alabama line area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful down in there. No, I love. I
Speaker 2: grew up in East Tennessee, born and raised there, but
Speaker 2: my dad came from Middle Tennessee over on the Cumberland Plateau,
Speaker 2: the plateau they used to call it over on the
Speaker 2: Cumberland Plateau. He was in h. Finches County, right outside Jamestown.
Speaker 2: It used to be called ben Stockton, Tennessee. But Jamestown
Speaker 2: and Exton. But a lot of a lot of stories.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's some hard scrabble Appalachia over there.
Speaker 2: They didn't have run of water, had out houses and stuff,
Speaker 2: didn't have electricity until they but you know, those people
Speaker 2: made it. They were resourceful. They knew how to farm
Speaker 2: and how to hunt and fish.
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, you know a lot of folks said that,
Speaker 1: you know, they was just poor, you know, just lazy people.
Speaker 1: And I said, now, you know the Appalachian people, you
Speaker 1: know was you know, they was strong ingenuity, you know,
Speaker 1: just pioneersh people. You know, you know, they come in,
Speaker 1: you know, from all around the world, you know, different
Speaker 1: you know, origins and stuff. Everything, subtled the in, cleared
Speaker 1: the land and worked the fields and the mountains and
Speaker 1: everything else and made it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had to. I mean there wasn't wasn't much
Speaker 2: else you could do. They survived, you know, the wars
Speaker 2: and the Great Depression and oh yeah, a disease and
Speaker 2: famine and all kinds of things, and just they're resilient.
Speaker 2: Hillbilities are resilient and resourceful. I love being called a hillbilly.
Speaker 2: That doesn't be at all new.
Speaker 1: I take that and pride.
Speaker 2: Yep. So a lot of curiosity these stories that you
Speaker 2: tell is that stuff you heard growing up or where
Speaker 2: do you come across what stories at?
Speaker 1: A lot of them is. And like I said, from
Speaker 1: the time I, like I said, old enough to sit
Speaker 1: around and listen to them old stories. You know, I'd
Speaker 1: sit around and listen to them. And sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll forget a story and something will happen that will
Speaker 1: remind me of one. You know, I'll tell it, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know there's a ton of them that's from mine,
Speaker 1: you know. But as I got going along, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: somebody shared one of their experiences with me once, and
Speaker 1: like I said, I love the Appalachian stories and the
Speaker 1: you know, I love the spooky side of the mystery
Speaker 1: side of it too, you know. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I love just the good old days stories about that too,
Speaker 1: you know, just the history, you know, how people survive,
Speaker 1: you know, like you was talking earlier with the you know,
Speaker 1: through the Great Depression. You know, folks wouldn't live, you know,
Speaker 1: back then, they woudn't have made it if they hadn't
Speaker 1: it dependent on one another, you know. And I just
Speaker 1: loved all them stories. And somebody shared a story with me,
Speaker 1: and I got to think, and you know, well, it's
Speaker 1: not just my aplash in history. It's everybody's in the
Speaker 1: Appolasian Mountains and stuff. So I started telling people, you know,
Speaker 1: if you'd like to submit a story, send it to me,
Speaker 1: and man, it exploded. I said, I some of them's
Speaker 1: my stories. And I said a lot of them submitted
Speaker 1: stories and it's just I said, it's just amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. That. That was the way my
Speaker 2: first book came about Strange Things in the woods. That
Speaker 2: was stories that I collected from family and friends and
Speaker 2: friends of family, and a lot of those people about
Speaker 2: nine nine percent of people in that book that I
Speaker 2: got those stories from, they've passed on. But you know
Speaker 2: a lot of that it's just if I didn't tell it,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't get told, That's right. I kind of took
Speaker 2: that mantle on myself and thought, you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to let these stories die out because a lot
Speaker 2: of people there their home, kids, their wives and stuff,
Speaker 2: they didn't know, didn't care about any of that. And
Speaker 2: I've had people tell me stories and have their wife
Speaker 2: sitting there and say, you never told me about that,
Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's just a wonderful thing. And
Speaker 2: I've got a lot more that was just I picked
Speaker 2: the thing for the book, and it was stuff in
Speaker 2: the woods. Not all of them are scary. Some of
Speaker 2: them scare the pants off of you. But some of
Speaker 2: them are poignant, some of them are funny, and some
Speaker 2: of them are just downright sad. But there's some scary
Speaker 2: stuff in there too. But I've got enough I could
Speaker 2: do other volumes, strange things in the sky, strange things
Speaker 2: in the water, strange things in the barn.
Speaker 1: You know, like you said, there's just so much about it,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's one thing I loved about
Speaker 1: the history is there's no shortage of stories of any kind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I love going into those different little
Speaker 2: communities and stuff. And like you said, there's a real
Speaker 2: sense of belonging there, especially in Appalachia, some of those
Speaker 2: little hollers and stuff. If you don't belong there, they'll
Speaker 2: let you know that you have no business here. But
Speaker 2: the people there, they do. They look out for one another.
Speaker 2: There's just a real sense of belonging there, a sense
Speaker 2: of community, and then they help one another out. But
Speaker 2: I've lived several different places in Tennessee, and I lived
Speaker 2: way up in the tip of extreme northeastern Tennessee, little
Speaker 2: place called Mountain City, and a lot of history up there,
Speaker 2: a lot of creepy stuff. Fiddler's Rock. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've ever heard that story or not, about the
Speaker 2: old man that used to sit out there and play
Speaker 2: the fiddle and charmed the rattlesnakes and then got bit
Speaker 2: to death. And you can still hear him playing up there.
Speaker 2: I think that's upon Roan Mountain or in that area.
Speaker 2: Another guy that I knew up there, he offered to
Speaker 2: take me to a cave upon Roan Mountain where he
Speaker 2: said there was a spider as big as a house cat.
Speaker 2: And he's talking about the body of the spider was
Speaker 2: as big as that ain't even counting the legs. And
Speaker 2: I thought pass on that one. I thought, I don't
Speaker 2: like spiders, don't want one that big. But he said
Speaker 2: in that cave where that spider was right is right
Speaker 2: at the mouth of it. He said there was like
Speaker 2: chipmunks and squirrels and stuff like that in there that
Speaker 2: it had cocooned up to eat. So that's frightening that
Speaker 2: there might be a spider that big run around anywhere,
Speaker 2: especially in the hills of East Tennessee. I think I.
Speaker 1: Believe it's something in the spraying water makes maybe.
Speaker 2: Maybe some of that moonshine that they make down there
Speaker 2: had that too. My dad's side of the family, they
Speaker 2: were lawyers and educators and uh, moonshiners and farmers and storytellers.
Speaker 2: They in the wintertime when they couldn't farm what not,
Speaker 2: they'd sit around the woodstove. Had a big, old pot
Speaker 2: bellied stove at my grandmother's house over there. They'd sit
Speaker 2: around there and that's when the tails had come out.
Speaker 2: And man, I missed those days. I lived for that
Speaker 2: kind of too.
Speaker 1: I was talking here a while back in one of
Speaker 1: my live streams and and uh, it's started rumbling outside.
Speaker 1: And I told him, I said, you know, what's that
Speaker 1: kind of put me in the mind of being young
Speaker 1: and again, you know, it'd come up a storm or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, we'd all bundle up in
Speaker 1: the house, you know, and as young as you know,
Speaker 1: we'd be sitting in the floor and everything, like you said,
Speaker 1: usually ran a stove or something, and here come the stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then was my maternal grandmother. There's the same way. Now.
Speaker 2: They were in East Tennessee, but they had had a
Speaker 2: dairy farm and then the truck farm too, and she
Speaker 2: had a big old farmhouse. And then after they quit
Speaker 2: the dairy business and all that. She had nine kids,
Speaker 2: my mom and nine boys. I'd tell you I couldn't
Speaker 2: get away with anything. When I was a kid. My
Speaker 2: mom knew all the boy tricks. Put at her house.
Speaker 2: In the summertime, once it got dark, we'd get out
Speaker 2: on the shadow screened in porch on the front of
Speaker 2: the house. We'd sit out there and that's when the
Speaker 2: stories come out. And then in the wintertime, set in
Speaker 2: the living room there around the old stone fireplace, and
Speaker 2: you know, it'd be creepy. I wouldn't even want to
Speaker 2: get up and venture to the bathroom, you know, or
Speaker 2: somebody asked you to go upstairs and get something. It
Speaker 2: was creepy up there too. Had all these pictures sitting
Speaker 2: around of some of the boys that her sons that
Speaker 2: had gone off and fought in World War two and stuff,
Speaker 2: And even though they were all still alive at that time,
Speaker 2: there's something about them pictures looking at me. I didn't
Speaker 2: like the upstairs of.
Speaker 1: That house, yea, I'll tell you, man, there's something about
Speaker 1: some of them old pictures like it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, but it did some of them. Like
Speaker 1: you said, it'll just give you the wheelies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and up there you walked upstairs, you turned on
Speaker 2: the light, and that's just egh is everywhere. There's pictures
Speaker 2: on every flat surface, you know, And uh, Nope, didn't
Speaker 2: like it, but as they just love the stories and
Speaker 2: just there's such an oral tradition like that in the South.
Speaker 2: You can go into all these different little communities and
Speaker 2: they've got a lot of the same stories and legends.
Speaker 2: They just tell it a little different. Like I couldn't
Speaker 2: tell you how many places there's a white woman that
Speaker 2: walks on the side of yeah, woman in white rather
Speaker 2: or a crybaby bridge. There's a bunch of those dads
Speaker 2: and the variants of that, and vanishing hitchhikers and those
Speaker 2: kind of stories, and I just love it. Man. Now,
Speaker 2: have you ever been up to Jonesboro to that International
Speaker 2: Storytelling convention that they have up there?
Speaker 1: You know, I have not, Like I said, I didn't
Speaker 1: even hear about it too, probably about a year ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there in the audience. I've never gone
Speaker 2: up there and told stories. I've been invited, But maybe
Speaker 2: someday I'll get back down there. I'm in New England now.
Speaker 2: I've been all over the place, went from Tennessee to Florida,
Speaker 2: to Las Vegas, to Oregon, Washington State, back to Oregon,
Speaker 2: then to New Mexico, and now I'm in New England.
Speaker 2: So a lot of history up here, to a lot
Speaker 2: of houses or seventeen hundreds and things. I'm really really
Speaker 2: getting into it and finding so much local stuff here.
Speaker 2: And basically any place in New England is within a
Speaker 2: day's drive, so that's awesome too. I think I'm going
Speaker 2: to have to create a separate channel for all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm telling you, brother, I said, that's one thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I've told people, Uh, I said, I love
Speaker 1: you know, I love any history in general, not just
Speaker 1: Appalachian history. I love all history. And I've told him,
Speaker 1: I said, but you want some old history, I said,
Speaker 1: go over to the old country, you know, over our nameland.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah. There's there's a guy that comes to
Speaker 2: one of my some of my shows named Ted Branston.
Speaker 2: He lives on a farm in Scotland and uh, some
Speaker 2: I think his barn or one of his sheds or
Speaker 2: something like that, seven hundred years old. Seven hundred years.
Speaker 2: You know, that's it's amazing, and that's not even that
Speaker 2: old over there, so.
Speaker 1: Till young.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I went to the UK in the early eighties.
Speaker 2: I took a gap year between high school and college
Speaker 2: and spent the better part of a year hitchhiking and
Speaker 2: backpacking through the UK. But I want to go back
Speaker 2: now that I don't have to walk everywhere, right, to
Speaker 2: train and take a little bit more time and then
Speaker 2: see everything. There's just those lay lions and the standing
Speaker 2: stones and oh yeah, so much ancient ancient history over
Speaker 2: there's a lot of haunted things and I can't wait
Speaker 2: to go back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I said, that's definitely one thing that
Speaker 1: you know, I definitely want to see one of these
Speaker 1: days is you know, the UK and place. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to see some of the old castles and
Speaker 1: things like that. You know, I just add, I just
Speaker 1: want to see it with my own eyes, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to go back to Stonehenge. I
Speaker 2: didn't get to spend a lot of time there, but
Speaker 2: you know that that's ancient. I mean, there's that's yeah,
Speaker 2: pre civilization almost there. The Druids and the Celts and
Speaker 2: all those people in there, and there's other stone standing
Speaker 2: stones and stuff over there. Another place I want to
Speaker 2: check out called Atterley Edge, and it ties in with
Speaker 2: the King Arthur, the Merlin legends and stuff they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be. I think it's a hundred knights in there
Speaker 2: on horseback somewhere in a cave on the mountain there. Well,
Speaker 2: they are waiting for Arthur to return to the throne
Speaker 2: so they can wake up and come and fight for England.
Speaker 1: Man oh man, amazing.
Speaker 2: But have you written a book or have any plans
Speaker 2: on writing one?
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people's asked me. You know,
Speaker 1: I said, uh, you know, are you going to write
Speaker 1: a book or anything? I told him, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, uh, I said, honestly, I said, I'm just
Speaker 1: just dumb old, you know, backwoods country boy. You know,
Speaker 1: I said, never really even given a thought to it, Uh,
Speaker 1: I said, even if if I wanted to, I said, Lord,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know where to even begin to even
Speaker 1: start to have it published.
Speaker 2: Well, just so happens, I started a publishing company. My
Speaker 2: wife and I I'll.
Speaker 1: Talk to you.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you about it offline. I'm speaking maybe
Speaker 2: me and you ought to do a book together. I
Speaker 2: think we'd have a good energy and synergy there. If
Speaker 2: you will right there come up with something amazing, and
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you as as one of our
Speaker 2: authors for Society Publishing.
Speaker 1: That'd be an honor.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about it. But I was talking to
Speaker 2: my wife about that today. We listened to some of
Speaker 2: your videos and she's like, yeah, I think that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I really love what you're doing over there,
Speaker 2: And if you don't mind, would you favor us with
Speaker 2: a story or two here tonight on the ground zero
Speaker 2: Radio Network.
Speaker 1: I'd be honored. I actually got one I was talking
Speaker 1: about here not long ago to a buddy of mine
Speaker 1: about that said a long time ago, and now I
Speaker 1: reckon this happened up on around toward the northern side
Speaker 1: of Grundy County, Tennessee. Now I reckon this happened back
Speaker 1: in I think it was about the mid nineteen forties.
Speaker 1: Said that as this old feller him and his name
Speaker 1: is Abram, and his brother Ray and said that they
Speaker 1: was mule skinners. Now, well, a lot of folks don't
Speaker 1: think of you know, they think that's something mean to
Speaker 1: Anne most or anything like the have, But that's not
Speaker 1: what that means. Back then, that just meant mule skinning,
Speaker 1: meant somebody that just you know, worked with mules. Well said,
Speaker 1: they got you know, hard out for miss Feller that
Speaker 1: wanted them to come in and clear out some land.
Speaker 1: He bought a low patch of land, you know, stayed
Speaker 1: a little old, small, little bitty small having on him
Speaker 1: and said that he got it somehow or another, but
Speaker 1: he wanted them to clear cut it for him and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, on Hallow Timbrow. Well, they hissed the mules
Speaker 1: up and took off and with up her. Well, when
Speaker 1: they got up her, you know, they was people up
Speaker 1: here and you know, cutting them down. They was logging now,
Speaker 1: and said they had a one little beauty failure up here.
Speaker 1: Real young, you know, said that he was following around
Speaker 1: every word and everything, you know, during his best. He
Speaker 1: didn't really know much, but he was trying. Well said
Speaker 1: they stopped and took him a break, you know, and
Speaker 1: said they's get him drink of water and eat them
Speaker 1: a little bite, you know, and say it was midsummer.
Speaker 1: And Well said about that time, said that boy come
Speaker 1: over and tell them, said there's a spot over there.
Speaker 1: He said, it just looks different from the rest of
Speaker 1: the ground. He said, I can't explain it, he said,
Speaker 1: but I just keep you know, being drawn to it.
Speaker 1: Well said one of the older heads there, you know,
Speaker 1: went over and got and pointed out to him. Said
Speaker 1: he looked down at it and everything said. They walked
Speaker 1: back over and he said failers. He said, we got
Speaker 1: a grave on our hands. Well said. They went over
Speaker 1: and talked to the boss man about it, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: he said, about the only thing we do. He said,
Speaker 1: just cut around it. Don't disturb nothing or anything, you know.
Speaker 1: He said, I can talk to the county see what
Speaker 1: they want to do and everything, you know, the landowner
Speaker 1: and stuff. Well, I reckon everyone. Old Ray and a
Speaker 1: few of the older fellers told him, said, Nasser said,
Speaker 1: we ain't doing nothing on this land. The more he said,
Speaker 1: you never know, said it might be more thanks like that.
Speaker 1: He said, oh no, I said, ain't you know, said,
Speaker 1: don't see no more spots like as probably just that one.
Speaker 1: So they said, well, you know, said he says in
Speaker 1: the good books says you know, you can disturb the
Speaker 1: rest of the dead, so we ain't doing that. Well say,
Speaker 1: he told said, well you can work or leave. Well,
Speaker 1: they started, you know, getting them usual to leave, and
Speaker 1: and did you know, well I reckon that young feller
Speaker 1: and a couple other guys, you know, they stayed, you know,
Speaker 1: had to have the money back in you know. Well,
Speaker 1: they said. A couple of weeks later, you know, said
Speaker 1: they sent out the house so that the old young
Speaker 1: feller come by there. He said, boy, he looked rough. Mercy,
Speaker 1: he looked rough. Said he just awful, pale, dark rings
Speaker 1: under his eyes, you know, they said, asked him, said, lord,
Speaker 1: you know what's wrong with you? Said yaling. He said, no,
Speaker 1: I ain't ailing, said, just can't sleep, said none of
Speaker 1: us can. They said, wow. Well, apparently after they had left,
Speaker 1: you know, they told them keep you know, keep on
Speaker 1: cutting and stuff. Well, they brought a team of horses
Speaker 1: up here to log them, you know, logs out of there.
Speaker 1: Well said that they you know, was logging them out
Speaker 1: and everything. Well said, all of a sudden, the horses
Speaker 1: was getting spooked for no reason. Said they didn't want
Speaker 1: to listen to them, and said they you know, jump
Speaker 1: and everything else and kick all kinds of stuff. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: they said about that time, said one of the guys
Speaker 1: told him, said we're gonna have to remove his stump
Speaker 1: over here. Well said, they got over and they said
Speaker 1: they hit change, changed that old stump, stuff and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, don't got them horses over and says the
Speaker 1: pull and stuff. Well that stump come up and everything,
Speaker 1: and it hit that grave. Well said when it did,
Speaker 1: they said there was a scream echoed cross that where
Speaker 1: they's at there, and said a cool breeze that just
Speaker 1: they say, it was almost like ice, you know, come
Speaker 1: through there and said every one of them stopped and
Speaker 1: said them horses just froze, you know. Well said they
Speaker 1: got him in there. So they finally, you know, got
Speaker 1: to leading them horses out of the way and stuff
Speaker 1: and everything and saw what they'd done. Well, they got
Speaker 1: the boss man over again, and they called it to
Speaker 1: somebody from the county come up out of the corner
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, and said that they just halted
Speaker 1: all work. You know. Well after that, they said that
Speaker 1: none of them could sleep, said couldn't sleep or wink,
Speaker 1: said every time they'd go to sleep, said they'd see
Speaker 1: that man that you know, they was in that coffin
Speaker 1: there that they uprooted, said they'd see him or come
Speaker 1: a riding, you know, and said that they all start
Speaker 1: to run, said they all have the same dream, so
Speaker 1: they'd all start to run. Here he'd come a riding,
Speaker 1: you know, said you know, dirt falling off of and
Speaker 1: stuff and screaming that old scream that they heard. Andy
Speaker 1: said they try to run, but every time, said he'd
Speaker 1: grab them and said he'd pull them into that hole
Speaker 1: where he was buried, and said they wake up, and
Speaker 1: said they do that, and said, you know, they just
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I reckon Old Abram and o'd a talked to their daddy,
Speaker 1: which was a preacher man, and said he told him,
Speaker 1: said what them boys need to do. He said, every
Speaker 1: one of them that was there, easy to go back
Speaker 1: in there, said build him a pine box and put
Speaker 1: him back in the same spot, ask the Lord for forgiveness,
Speaker 1: and ask him for forgiveness, and said they said he
Speaker 1: told him, say all right, I'll let everybody know. And
Speaker 1: I reckon they did because I reckon said they was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who the feller was through old
Speaker 1: census and stuff down the county and said they all
Speaker 1: went in together and Bill built him another coffin, like
Speaker 1: you know. They put him in it, and the landowner
Speaker 1: agreed to put him back in the same spot and
Speaker 1: said when they did, they said they done exactly what
Speaker 1: they told He said, everything went back to normal. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty wild story right here.
Speaker 2: That's some story, and that, like you were talking about,
Speaker 2: you hear a story and it jogs your memory. One
Speaker 2: I heard that reminded me of one that i'd heard
Speaker 2: that I forgot about. There was a guy over there
Speaker 2: around where my dad was from named Ray Hicks, Spade
Speaker 2: was his nicknames.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've heard heard him.
Speaker 2: He's he was around him and and some guy had
Speaker 2: a still set up out there in the woods somewhere
Speaker 2: and had to walk several miles to get back in
Speaker 2: there to it. They've been back there to there still
Speaker 2: one night and they were coming out and they got
Speaker 2: kind of tired. Now, of course they've been in the
Speaker 2: mash a little bit too, so I don't know how
Speaker 2: much that affected the story. And they sat down on
Speaker 2: an old log there by the side there was just
Speaker 2: a dirt road, sit down the side of the road
Speaker 2: on a log there to take a rest. And so
Speaker 2: they looked around and the one guy was sitting on
Speaker 2: one end. Ray was sitting kind of in the middle,
Speaker 2: and on the other side of the ray there was
Speaker 2: a woman sitting there beside him with no head, and
Speaker 2: she had on like a Victorian style clothing and long
Speaker 2: dress and stuff. They got up at it run, I
Speaker 2: mean to beat hell out of there, and it had
Speaker 2: chased him. Whatever it was, it wouldn't run him after him,
Speaker 2: but it was flying after him. And they have heard that.
Speaker 2: You could go where that happened, and there's still pine
Speaker 2: trees that have bent over where they ran through there
Speaker 2: trying to get away from this thing. And heard the
Speaker 2: spade tell the continuance of that. He was at his
Speaker 2: mother's house one night and he was upstairs. He slept
Speaker 2: up like in a loft that they had there in
Speaker 2: a cabin, basically what it was, and he heard somebody
Speaker 2: coming up the stairs and he thought it was his mother,
Speaker 2: and he looked up and it was that headless woman.
Speaker 2: And he hadn't been drinking that time, he said, And
Speaker 2: he said, I didn't know what to do. He said,
Speaker 2: I covered up my head and prayed that the old Lord,
Speaker 2: you know, saved me from this whatever this thing is
Speaker 2: that's after me. And then finally I reckon he got
Speaker 2: enough to look out and she was gone. But you know,
Speaker 2: what's that all? But that sounds like a family curse
Speaker 2: or a bloodline thing or somethingause apparently, and uh well,
Speaker 2: he was in the thick of it too. He was
Speaker 2: a prisoner of war during World War two and they
Speaker 2: tortured him, left him for dead. And I think he
Speaker 2: had a he had a purple heart, maybe a Congressional
Speaker 2: Medal of honor. The boy he could tell some tales.
Speaker 2: At one time, my father owned the house that Ray
Speaker 2: used to live in and heard all kinds of stories.
Speaker 2: A man was just a legend over in midle someplace.
Speaker 2: They had him, put him in jail for something, probably
Speaker 2: public drunkenness or something, and he ended up running off
Speaker 2: with a jailer's wife. She brought him something to eat
Speaker 2: and he got the sweet talking, and she led him
Speaker 2: out and they took off together. He was a character.
Speaker 2: But I met the man lots and lots of times,
Speaker 2: and he just he'd get that up a thousand yards
Speaker 2: there though. You could tell he was reliving some of
Speaker 2: that stuff when he was talking about the scary stuff
Speaker 2: as well as the horrors of war. And I remember
Speaker 2: one time they had an interview with him, and I
Speaker 2: think it's the Jamestown paper. And he was talking about
Speaker 2: his son. He had a son, and he said, this
Speaker 2: is my boy's world. He don't live in my world.
Speaker 2: I live in his. And just you know, he just
Speaker 2: he was full of just a wealth of knowledge and
Speaker 2: old sayings and stories and stuff. I wish I had
Speaker 2: more stories from him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know. And you know that's one thing too,
Speaker 1: I've always told a lot of folks about you know,
Speaker 1: when you said that kind of reminded me the older folks,
Speaker 1: you know, the older generation as I call him, you know,
Speaker 1: the elders or an older head wanted a wiser head,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. They had a way of putting things
Speaker 1: and wording things that just two or three words, you know,
Speaker 1: could just make you, you know, see the world a
Speaker 1: different way.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, a lot of smarts, a lot of
Speaker 2: horse sense. They called it common sense. There's people over
Speaker 2: there that I don't know if they ever went to
Speaker 2: school or not, but you know, they knew how to
Speaker 2: do all kinds of things. They could predict the weather.
Speaker 2: My dad could do what they call water witching. Yep,
Speaker 2: it was a willow branch, a pork willow branch. He
Speaker 2: could find not only water, but like buried pipes and
Speaker 2: things like that. I've seen him do it, and I
Speaker 2: tried it, and I tried everything in the world, Jared
Speaker 2: to keep that stick from pointing down. It was a
Speaker 2: fresh branch, and the tip of that pointed down so hard,
Speaker 2: and I was trying to keep it from pointing down.
Speaker 2: Then it stripped the bark off in my hands. So
Speaker 2: there's something to all that. Now. His mother, she was
Speaker 2: kind of these days. They'd call her a granny witch too,
Speaker 2: that was, and I think she was born in eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety two, eighteen ninety five, something like that. I was
Speaker 2: a late in life, unexpected baby. My dad was born
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty one, and they called it. She was
Speaker 2: a They called her a yarb doctor over there. She
Speaker 2: was an herb doctor, but it bordered on the granny
Speaker 2: wedch stuff. She also ran the post office, cut hair
Speaker 2: and pull teeth and could whip up some kind of
Speaker 2: herbal medicine for you.
Speaker 1: Jack of all trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh well, my dad had some stories. They
Speaker 2: used to drop the mail off on the train as
Speaker 2: the O and W was the line that went through.
Speaker 2: There's oh Naida and I don't remember what the other
Speaker 2: what the w part was, but he'd have to go
Speaker 2: and uh pick up the mail to the train to
Speaker 2: go by and throw the mail off and he'd have
Speaker 2: to bring that back to the house. They had to
Speaker 2: post office set up on the front porch had a
Speaker 2: little half door like a Dutch door. When they're open,
Speaker 2: you could come there and then get your mail. And amazing,
Speaker 2: you know, the absolute middle to know where that the
Speaker 2: farm still exists. The family farm wasn't own it now
Speaker 2: They farmed tobacco and corn. I think over there and
Speaker 2: nine hundred and ninety acres. I believe it is borders
Speaker 2: on the big South Fort National Recreation Area that's on
Speaker 2: the Kentucky side. They lived on the Tennessee side of
Speaker 2: it right there, and that whole area over there, it's
Speaker 2: just steeped in mystery and stories got Grimsly and clark
Speaker 2: Range and Old Nida. Now now they deny it, but
Speaker 2: there's a story that first movie theater that opened in
Speaker 2: on Naida, people piled in there. They didn't know exactly
Speaker 2: what they're about to see. The curtains parted, the screen
Speaker 2: lit up and it was a picture of a movie
Speaker 2: of an oncoming steam locomotive and people ran out of
Speaker 2: the theater. They thought they not to get it run
Speaker 2: over by the train. Now they deny that, but from
Speaker 2: what I've heard, it really did happen that way.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean, if you've something to think
Speaker 1: about it. You know, folks never seeing nothing like that,
Speaker 1: you know, other than just a regular you know, picture
Speaker 1: ever now and you know something is coming like here,
Speaker 1: something coming right, animal or the.
Speaker 2: Lights up and here comes the train. Let's get out
Speaker 2: of here. And over there in that same area there's
Speaker 2: a place called helen Wood, and they had some kind
Speaker 2: of explosion over there something where they were coal mine.
Speaker 2: It was literally hell in the woods. That's how they
Speaker 2: came about that. And there was a guy that had
Speaker 2: thought overseas in World War One and he had seen
Speaker 2: some Chinese statues and things like that. Decided he was
Speaker 2: going to make his own. And he got in a
Speaker 2: remember what kind of rock he had, probably sandstone or
Speaker 2: something over there, something you could carve easy, right, and uh,
Speaker 2: he got in the cave over there in the back
Speaker 2: of his property and carved a statue of the devil.
Speaker 2: And people came from miles around to see that. They
Speaker 2: exhibited there at the depot, and uh, people started coming
Speaker 2: from Nashville and places like that to see the devil
Speaker 2: is the Tennessee devil. I've got a story about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in a big pine box looking thing. It's got its
Speaker 2: hand covered, its crouch up, and people thought it was real. Yep.
Speaker 1: I said. We went to uh the old Scotts County
Speaker 1: jail here a while back, and we was up. I said,
Speaker 1: it's right on the Tssee Kentucky border there, you know
Speaker 1: Scott's County is. And we was up there and they
Speaker 1: got a big old uh see what was it? I
Speaker 1: got kind of like a mural lock and everything of it.
Speaker 1: And I was looking at that, and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: when I want a neat world, is that? And they
Speaker 1: got to reading about it and everything I that I was,
Speaker 1: that's neat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they charged, I think at the height of its popularity,
Speaker 2: they charged a quarter to go in the tent and
Speaker 2: look at it. Back then, a quarter was a lot
Speaker 2: of money back in a day's wages. And yeah, you're
Speaker 2: talking about meal skinners before. Yeah, a lot of people
Speaker 2: misinterpret that. All that meant was that was somebody that
Speaker 2: was a meal team driver. The skin the meal. They
Speaker 2: meant to outthink it, you know, to skin it, to
Speaker 2: trick it into doing what you wanted to do. Because
Speaker 2: that old saying stubborn as a mule.
Speaker 1: And twice it smart.
Speaker 2: My dad, they had mules over there, that's what they
Speaker 2: worked the farm with. Plowed, you know, old fashioned plow,
Speaker 2: you know, pulled behind a couple of mules and the
Speaker 2: guy walking and pushing it along. But there's so much
Speaker 2: history over there too, used to find arrowheads and things.
Speaker 2: And the one story here telling me about the grave
Speaker 2: there that reminded me of another story I've got in
Speaker 2: there where a guy was sending his boy down to
Speaker 2: the creek to get some soft earth so they could
Speaker 2: work on their garden. Work their garden spot up and
Speaker 2: there was a mound of dirt there that was halfway
Speaker 2: to the creek that was real rich. And the kid decided, well,
Speaker 2: I'll stop there and shovel some of that dirt, save
Speaker 2: myself some trouble. Well, turned out that was an Indian mound.
Speaker 2: It was a burial mound, and he was digging that
Speaker 2: stuff out of there and scared him, you know, and
Speaker 2: his dad told him, no, don't be getting no dirt
Speaker 2: out of there. That's his ave Americans buried in there.
Speaker 2: Don't want to put that on the guard. And heard
Speaker 2: of another story like that where a guy was digging
Speaker 2: around under an Indian bluff and there was some people
Speaker 2: had been buried under there, and he heard something that
Speaker 2: sounded like geese, and he said they surrounded him all
Speaker 2: the way around, and it got louder and louder louder
Speaker 2: and scared him off, and he wouldn't go under there anymore.
Speaker 2: And then on the family farm that I was talking
Speaker 2: about there, my brother was over there one Thanksgiving when
Speaker 2: he was probably wasn't quite a teenager yet, eleven twelve
Speaker 2: years old, had a couple of cousins who were supposed
Speaker 2: to be coming over for Thanksgiving too. Well, he'd walk
Speaker 2: down to the bluff. They had a big bluff on
Speaker 2: their property there, and we used to find pieces of
Speaker 2: flint and then they'd started working and pot shards and
Speaker 2: things like that under there. Well, he was down under
Speaker 2: the bluff and he heard talking, but he could couldn't
Speaker 2: quite make out what they were saying. Well, he thought
Speaker 2: the cousins had shown up because my parents and him
Speaker 2: had got there first. So he walked back up on
Speaker 2: the bluff and didn't see anybody, but he heard the
Speaker 2: talking again, sounded like it was coming from under the bluff,
Speaker 2: and he said, well, maybe they went down around the
Speaker 2: other way. So he went back down there still nothing there,
Speaker 2: and he could hear the talking again, and he got
Speaker 2: spooked and left out there there wasn't he said, he
Speaker 2: couldn't understand what was being said, but he could hear distinctively,
Speaker 2: hear people talking. And this is like I said, out
Speaker 2: in the absolute middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were out there in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 1: you know, that's when you know something's wrong. Which you know,
Speaker 1: that's why I told a lot of folks you know
Speaker 1: here in the mountains and stuff. You know, us mountain folks.
Speaker 1: You know, people was used to the mountains. You know,
Speaker 1: we know all the sounds critters made and things like that,
Speaker 1: and you know the creeks, you know, and everything like that.
Speaker 1: When folks tells you, you know that they hear something
Speaker 1: that's strange, you better raise nyebrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard stories of like a fox can make
Speaker 2: it sound like a baby crying, and supposedly some of
Speaker 2: those big cats can too. And one of the spookiest
Speaker 2: sounds I've ever heard, even though I knew what it was. Uh,
Speaker 2: sometimes in the summer evening about sundown, a rabbit we'll
Speaker 2: throw its head back and makes some kind of it's
Speaker 2: almost like a whistling warbling sound or something. And the
Speaker 2: first time you hear that, that'll raise the hair on
Speaker 2: the back.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it will, well, it will, I said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of you know, animal stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, the old cats and them
Speaker 1: old painters, you know, or the old time they caught
Speaker 1: them a painter, you know, yeah, painter cats, And yeah.
Speaker 2: I heard heard lots of stories about them.
Speaker 1: And you know they can holler and scream out and
Speaker 1: sounds like a woman boy, and it'll it'll raise a
Speaker 1: hair on the back your neck. But so like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, they're familiar with them sounds. They know what
Speaker 1: it is. So when they tell you there's something in
Speaker 1: woods that don't belong, you better listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and over there County they've had sightings of
Speaker 2: some big creature. I don't know if it's bigfoot or what.
Speaker 2: But that farm, that one of the farms that joins
Speaker 2: the home place over there, a guy cut his leg
Speaker 2: with an axe or chainsaw, or something, and they had
Speaker 2: to call it an ambulance. And when the ambulance came
Speaker 2: out there through that old gravel road back in there
Speaker 2: had the sirens going. And the guy that had heard
Speaker 2: that said he heard some kind of animal back in
Speaker 2: the woods hollering back. And he said, years later he
Speaker 2: was watching a documentary things on the Discovery Channel, the
Speaker 2: History Channel, was something about Bigfoot, and he said, the
Speaker 2: stuff that they'd captured on there, that was supposedly the
Speaker 2: yips and the owls that those cryptos make, he said,
Speaker 2: that's what that thing sounded like out there in the woods.
Speaker 2: So I tell you what, there couldn't be a better
Speaker 2: place for it than out there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thats for sure, you know, because you know
Speaker 1: here in these old mountains and stuff, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of the land and you know kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, up and around the Smoky Mountains areas, and
Speaker 1: you just like the middle and eastern part of Tennessee especially,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much, you know, just vast woods,
Speaker 1: and then you know there's old caves and stuff that
Speaker 1: ain't ever been you know, explored, and stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no telling wat's out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, one hundred and ten percent and some
Speaker 2: stuff you don't want to find. Some stuff's better left alone.
Speaker 2: I think as big as house cats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big no for me. That's not Mary
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right there it is. Got another story you'd like
Speaker 2: to tell us?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, uh, talking about one while ago, I said,
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me. Uh it's Moore said that. Uh
Speaker 1: he said when he was real young, you know, and
Speaker 1: I reckon it. I think it's happened back in the sixties. Uh.
Speaker 1: He said. He was a good buddy of my uncle's.
Speaker 1: I said, he was telling me about it once, said
Speaker 1: he moved into this little house and he said, when
Speaker 1: they first got into that house, he said that, you know,
Speaker 1: he said, just had that vibe. You know, it just
Speaker 1: didn't feel like home, and it didn't want you there,
Speaker 1: you know, like you was you was invading, you know,
Speaker 1: and said that he said, boy, he said it said
Speaker 1: in the first night, you know, he said, even when
Speaker 1: they got there, he said, minutes just seemed like ours,
Speaker 1: you know. He just time was just different around that house.
Speaker 1: Well said that that night he said something started shaking him,
Speaker 1: saying get up and run. He said, boy, I listened
Speaker 1: to he said, I got up. He said, I tell
Speaker 1: of that of that house. He said, I was screaming,
Speaker 1: bloody murder. He said, I run out of that house.
Speaker 1: He said, broke the screen door, plumb off the hinges,
Speaker 1: he said, running out, screaming. He said, Mom and Daddy
Speaker 1: run me, damn. He said, I was telling them what happened. Everything,
Speaker 1: he said, Well, Daddy said he looked all in the
Speaker 1: all over the bedroom. He said, didn't see you know,
Speaker 1: and everything. So so he figured I was just making
Speaker 1: it up and said he told me. He said, boy, I
Speaker 1: btter I can hit you doing that again, He said, Daddy,
Speaker 1: I I promise you it's true, you know, said to him,
Speaker 1: said get back to bed. He said, well, next day,
Speaker 1: same thing, you know, just felt funny and just uneasy.
Speaker 1: Lie said, that night, same thing. See like everyone's sleep.
Speaker 1: But once he got sleep, so woke him up, saying
Speaker 1: get up and run and he said again I listened.
Speaker 1: He said, Well, this time he said, Daddy caught me.
Speaker 1: He said, boy, tell you what he said. He tanned
Speaker 1: my leather good and said he said he had to
Speaker 1: get up work next morning, said he didn't want to me.
Speaker 1: Woke up like that again. Well, he said, from then on,
Speaker 1: whenever that happened, he said, I just had to burn
Speaker 1: my face in my pillar and just deal with it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, he said this went on. He said one day
Speaker 1: he said he was out there, he said, and the
Speaker 1: neighbors said their grandson come over to visit them, and
Speaker 1: said he come over the property. Line said he seen
Speaker 1: me after in the yard and asked me what my
Speaker 1: name was. Stuff saidbody wouldn't come over into the yard,
Speaker 1: say he told, He said, you know why you're welcome,
Speaker 1: come on over, said let's play, you know. Say Toy
Speaker 1: said no, and I don't want to come over with ours.
Speaker 1: That place is haunted and said, well, he said he
Speaker 1: got to tell him about being woke up, you know,
Speaker 1: and stuff and said that old boy said just secured
Speaker 1: him after death, you know. Say he just made big
Speaker 1: eyes and took off running back to the house. He said,
Speaker 1: I have said he wouldn't talk to me no more
Speaker 1: or nothing. You know, he said, I thought, well, shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, I go to the buddy. Well, he said,
Speaker 1: he kept on and on and on. Which now he said,
Speaker 1: he's daddy. You used to drink a lot and everything.
Speaker 1: He said he was a mean drunk too. You know.
Speaker 1: It's always mean to him and his mama. He said. Well,
Speaker 1: one night, he said he he say, I was laying
Speaker 1: our sleep. He said again, he said, I got woke up,
Speaker 1: get up and run, he said. When I woke up,
Speaker 1: he said, as soon as I set up, he said,
Speaker 1: I heard Daddy in there in the kitchen. He said,
Speaker 1: I heard him, you know, hollering, you know, hollering the
Speaker 1: mama and everything. He said. About the time he said
Speaker 1: I heard my name, he said, I could hear him
Speaker 1: coming down the hallway. He said, I jumped up. He said,
Speaker 1: I run across the wad. He said, I was gonna
Speaker 1: climb out the window, and I was gonna run. He said.
Speaker 1: I got the window up, He said, just a little ways,
Speaker 1: he said, and he got stuck. He said, I couldn't
Speaker 1: climb all the way out. He said, Daddy busted that
Speaker 1: door open and everything. He said. The next thing I know,
Speaker 1: he said, I thought, Lord, this is it for me,
Speaker 1: And said, by the time he busted that door open,
Speaker 1: he said, the closet door swung open.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: Daddy looked over into it, and he said, I don't
Speaker 1: know to this, he said, as long as a man live,
Speaker 1: he never would tell me. He said, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that man saw, he said, but I've never seen
Speaker 1: Daddy drop to his knees and start crying, saying I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and said, Daddy run out of that house at night.
Speaker 1: He said he run down the road. Said he wouldn't
Speaker 1: come back to daylight. But said after that happened, he
Speaker 1: said he wouldn't drink no more. He said he was
Speaker 1: didn't yell at him the more and said that. He
Speaker 1: said his mama even took him out of the church.
Speaker 1: Said he got saved and everything else. And he said,
Speaker 1: just you know, said he said, after that, he said
Speaker 1: Daddy was a completely different person. He said, well, what
Speaker 1: makes this story really need is? He said? Later on
Speaker 1: he said, I got to wonder about that. He said,
Speaker 1: I got doing some history and things like that. You know,
Speaker 1: he said, I looked up. He said, I found out
Speaker 1: the boy's name. Uh that. He said. What happened was said,
Speaker 1: there was an old old fellow there. He says, boy
Speaker 1: every there were about fourteen. He said, his daddy, you know,
Speaker 1: took his life. I reckoned in that boy's bedroom. He said. Well,
Speaker 1: he said, I got to look it up. You know
Speaker 1: what happened to him? Stuff and everything? He said, even
Speaker 1: seen a picture of him where he was buried. He said,
Speaker 1: Then it dawned on me. He said, that boy, He said,
Speaker 1: what because of what happened to him? Said, he weren't
Speaker 1: trying to scare me. He said, he was trying to
Speaker 1: protect me. And he said, I went to he's grave.
Speaker 1: He said, I put my hand on his grave. He said,
Speaker 1: so help me. This is true. He said, I put
Speaker 1: my hand on his headstone and said, thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1: He said, I didn't have to run no more. He said,
Speaker 1: I stood up. Excuse me, he said, I stood up,
Speaker 1: turned around, he said, started to walk away, and he said.
Speaker 1: There was the previous feather, he said, come out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: he said, landed right on my shirt. I thought, Lord,
Speaker 1: that was a good one right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great story. I love stories like that
Speaker 2: that have a kind of a twist there at the
Speaker 2: end and something. You know, he wasn't trying to get him,
Speaker 2: It was trying to keep.
Speaker 1: Him from Yeah, because I said, into trouble. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I love the spooky ones too, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: good to hear them sometimes, you know, that let you know,
Speaker 1: you know there is things out there that looks out
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the amazing, amazing stuff there. I love those old
Speaker 2: legends and stories like that. A lot of the one offs.
Speaker 2: You know, you hear places where there's a lot of
Speaker 2: activity and stuff goes on all the time, but then
Speaker 2: things like that were just maybe one or two people.
Speaker 2: It was all that had ever happened to. I loved
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I love going to places where
Speaker 2: things like that have happened. And one, I know you're
Speaker 2: not too far from Nashville there. Have you ever been
Speaker 2: down to Adams, Tennessee, to the Belwich Cave.
Speaker 1: I've been down there twice, and both times I went
Speaker 1: down there, something went wrong. We didn't get to take
Speaker 1: the tour or nothing. Yeah, first time it went down there,
Speaker 1: they had some kind of alarms go kept going off
Speaker 1: or something like it. We couldn't do nothing. And then
Speaker 1: the second time we went down there, it was raining
Speaker 1: and storming. Lord, it was bad. I think they were
Speaker 1: William hurricanes. And we didn't get to do it. The
Speaker 1: n neither.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just right there on the edge of the
Speaker 2: Red River and it floods out real easy. I know
Speaker 2: the lady that her and her husband owned it. Chris
Speaker 2: Kirby last time I was over there as before they
Speaker 2: really had it going big, and she said that her
Speaker 2: husband had encountered something down there in the cave that
Speaker 2: he wouldn't even talk about. And he told her, if
Speaker 2: you want to give tours and have the gift shop
Speaker 2: and all that, have addings and I ain't having nothing
Speaker 2: to do with it. And I was in there, and
Speaker 2: we hear stuff way back in the cave, and there
Speaker 2: wasn't nobody else in there. I mean, they've got a
Speaker 2: big looks like a jail door there that they unlocked
Speaker 2: to let you in when it's closed. I was the
Speaker 2: only one there that day and could hear stuff back
Speaker 2: in there. She had a dog with her, and whatever
Speaker 2: it was that spoke, the dog get ran out and
Speaker 2: I just I had my first digital camera. That's how
Speaker 2: long ago. It was probably mid nineties or something, and
Speaker 2: I took some pictures in there, and I was sitting
Speaker 2: outside reviewing them. She had a little gazebo picnic table
Speaker 2: up there, and I was showing her the pictures and
Speaker 2: there was stuff jared in those pictures that wasn't down
Speaker 2: there in the cave. She's like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is. There's a Cherokee Box grave in there there.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to the bones that were
Speaker 2: in there, but the grave is still there. And right
Speaker 2: there beside that grave, where I'd taken a picture of it,
Speaker 2: there was something that looked like a board, like a
Speaker 2: two by four or something, but it was black and
Speaker 2: it was just in the frame there, and there wasn't
Speaker 2: anything like that down there. And she's got some albums
Speaker 2: of pictures, some of them that she took and some
Speaker 2: of that other people took. And there was one just
Speaker 2: outside the opening of the cave. Her daughter and one
Speaker 2: of her little friends from school were sitting there like
Speaker 2: best buddies. But around her daughter's neck there was a snake,
Speaker 2: I mean a big snake, like a boa constricted or something.
Speaker 2: And she said, my daughter is scared to death of snakes.
Speaker 2: There's no way she would have sat there smiling with
Speaker 2: her arm around her best friend and a big snake
Speaker 2: around her neck. She said, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times they've got a gate there
Speaker 2: where you drive into the farm, and if they're not there,
Speaker 2: they close them like that. And she said, I don't
Speaker 2: know how many times I've come home and find something
Speaker 2: laying there with a note tied to it and said,
Speaker 2: please put this back in the cave. I know. I
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to take anything. I did, and I've had
Speaker 2: nothing but trouble ever since. You know, there was activity
Speaker 2: in my house or hearing things and seeing things. There's
Speaker 2: definitely a presence there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard a lot of people. I had
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine, he's in the National Guard, and
Speaker 1: he said that they was on he had a leave
Speaker 1: one weekend, you know, and he said that I thought,
Speaker 1: He said, I was bored. He said his wife had
Speaker 1: went to visit some relatives and everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He said, I had the whole weekend to myself. He said.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know what I'm gonna do?
Speaker 1: He said, I thought, well, you know what, I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna sit around the house to be bored, you know.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna get out of here and you know,
Speaker 1: enjoy myself. He said, man, he said, I went all
Speaker 1: over the place, going to you know, seeing visiting areas
Speaker 1: and locations stuff like that. And he said he went
Speaker 1: by you know, the bell Waste place, you know, and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, he said, he paid for the
Speaker 1: you know, the whole tour. You know, there's two different
Speaker 1: kinds of record you can get. You know, partial tour
Speaker 1: would list you know, some information and into the one
Speaker 1: where they take you to the cave and everywhere else
Speaker 1: and the you know, things like that. And he said, well,
Speaker 1: he said, man, he said, I'm not going to lie
Speaker 1: to you. He said, the feelings I got at that place,
Speaker 1: he said, He said, I couldn't explain it. He said,
Speaker 1: I felt. He said, the only way I know how
Speaker 1: to describe it is it felt like somebody else was
Speaker 1: in me, controlling my movements. He said, that's the only
Speaker 1: way I know how to describe it. He said. We
Speaker 1: was on the way to the cave. He said. I
Speaker 1: told him, I, you know, I had something come up.
Speaker 1: I had to leave. And he said, I went back
Speaker 1: to my car. Excuse me, he said, And I sat there.
Speaker 1: He said, I bet you. He said, good twenty minutes
Speaker 1: and he said, I cranked up. He said, I started leaving.
Speaker 1: He said that the further I got, he said, the
Speaker 1: better I felt. And he said, I've never been back since.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't get that kind of feeling there, but
Speaker 2: it was spoo. I mean, I definitely felt something I'm
Speaker 2: open to stuff like that, and there was a kind
Speaker 2: of a pressure or something there that I can't describe it. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a pleasant place. You couldn't pay me to spend
Speaker 2: the night in there, but it felt different. The only
Speaker 2: place I've ever really had that feeling a little town
Speaker 2: over in North Carolina called Done And back in the sixties,
Speaker 2: they had a wave of just weird stuff over there. Monsters,
Speaker 2: and they saw a little man the size of a
Speaker 2: coke bottle, and just all kinds of weird stuff. And I,
Speaker 2: this is way back in the day. I'd written some
Speaker 2: letters to a guy that was a reporter for the
Speaker 2: newspaper there that covered a lot of that stuff, and
Speaker 2: he had passed away before I could ever get over there.
Speaker 2: I was coming through there one time. I was on
Speaker 2: my way the Outer Banks. That's another area with a
Speaker 2: lot of history and a lot of spooky stuff. But
Speaker 2: I stopped there and Done and spent the night, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to get out of there. Coming in
Speaker 2: there in the dark, it looked like a peaceful little town.
Speaker 2: But daylight, when I woke up, I felt homicidal or something.
Speaker 2: I just I had to get out of there. I
Speaker 2: felt sick to my stomach. There was just something there
Speaker 2: that didn't like me being there, and same thing. Once
Speaker 2: I got in my car and got out of there.
Speaker 2: The farther down the road I got, the better I felt,
Speaker 2: And eventually it passed and i'n't been back since that.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go back unless I was. If I did,
Speaker 2: i'd be more prepared. You know, you can people some
Speaker 2: people carry crystals or smudge themselves with sage or something
Speaker 2: like that to kind of ground yourself. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you know you're coming up against something like that,
Speaker 2: you can put up shields and defenses. But when it
Speaker 2: blindsides you like that, it'll take the wind out of you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you said, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're not expecting something like that, you know, and you
Speaker 1: got your guard down and everything, you know, Lord Mercy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've lived in some places that were real active
Speaker 2: and finally dawned on me a few years ago. It's
Speaker 2: not the place is so much. I think it's me
Speaker 2: I've lived in was haunted to a degree. But I
Speaker 2: think I'm the one that's haunted. I think anywhere I
Speaker 2: go to uh And I've had people tell me that
Speaker 2: because you're open to it. It's it's like a candle
Speaker 2: and moss. You know, they'll see the light and they'll
Speaker 2: come to it, right right, Yeah, exactly. So again you
Speaker 2: learn to shield yourself to word that stuff up, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, there's stuff out there that wants to
Speaker 2: jump in you, that that wants whatever it is that
Speaker 2: you've got that they don't, and that's a scary feeling. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's a place up in the Smokies that I've been
Speaker 2: up to Cleveland's doumeb one time and wasn't on the
Speaker 2: wasn't on the trail. I was just hiking back out
Speaker 2: through the woods. It's kind of bushwhacken and Jared I
Speaker 2: came across a place there was a big old beech tree,
Speaker 2: because one of the biggest trees I'd ever seen, especially
Speaker 2: in the Smokies, and up there at that height there's
Speaker 2: there's not too many trees like that, but this thing
Speaker 2: looked like a Disney tree, and it looked like it
Speaker 2: had been made. And it's like three or four people
Speaker 2: holding hands to reach all around it, maybe half a
Speaker 2: dozen people, and the sun was kind of broke through
Speaker 2: the clouds and it was shining right down on that tree.
Speaker 2: And I walked into that clearing. There wasn't anything else
Speaker 2: around it, and just something just suddenly the woods went quiet.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had that happen where like somebody hit
Speaker 2: the mute button. You can't hear when you can't hear
Speaker 2: the birds. Well, I've learned that's a sign to turn
Speaker 2: around and high tail it out of there. But I
Speaker 2: was there by that tree and everything went quiet, real still,
Speaker 2: and something, just like some little voice in the back
Speaker 2: of my hand, said, you know, that'd be a good
Speaker 2: place to sit down and rest, just set down by
Speaker 2: that tree there, maybe even take a nap. And I'm
Speaker 2: kind of thinking yeah, And then I thought, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: it's it's in the evening. I need to get back
Speaker 2: down off of here, or you know, I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: asleep in the middle of the woods in the dark.
Speaker 2: And I've been back up there two or three times
Speaker 2: and I can't find that tree. I think something was
Speaker 2: playing tricks on me. I think there's some kind of
Speaker 2: trickster out there. They will try to lure you in,
Speaker 2: lull you in. And I think if I'd sat down
Speaker 2: under that tree and went to sleep, I'd be one
Speaker 2: of those people. That vanished in the Smokies without a trace.
Speaker 1: I don't to be and you know that, you say,
Speaker 1: you know, it makes a really good point about how
Speaker 1: a lot of these people, especially like you know, like
Speaker 1: you said, like the National parks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know, how they can go into these places and
Speaker 1: some of them be just like you know, in a
Speaker 1: crowd of people and just vanish without a trace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so turn and turn around the corner. Hiking with
Speaker 2: a group on a trail, one person goes around the
Speaker 2: corner ahead of the group, never seen again. Now, a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that I've covered, thousands of missing person
Speaker 2: cases easily a lot of it. It's people that are
Speaker 2: overconfident or underprepared. I mean, the can change in an instant.
Speaker 2: But there are some cases out there that are spooky
Speaker 2: that it makes no sense, It makes no rhyme or reason.
Speaker 2: I said, I've talked about the Dennis Martin case earlier.
Speaker 2: That one grabbed me from day one. So that Father's
Speaker 2: Day in nineteen sixty nine. I was about a year
Speaker 2: younger than Dennis when that happened, and I just I've
Speaker 2: never been able to get that out of my head.
Speaker 2: I met his father much later in life. He talked
Speaker 2: about a man that was haunted and I can imagine
Speaker 2: they were talking to him. I think he's on the
Speaker 2: fortieth anniversary of Dennis's disappearance. One of the local stations,
Speaker 2: believe in either WTE or WBI R there in Knoxville,
Speaker 2: and he said, in my heart of hearts, I don't
Speaker 2: think I'll ever see him again. But he said there's
Speaker 2: a part of me and he thinks I'll one day
Speaker 2: I'll be sitting here and I'll here knock at the door,
Speaker 2: and I'll go to the door look out, and there's
Speaker 2: a handsome man standing there, and he said, I probably
Speaker 2: another reporter wanting to talk to me about Dennis. Said
Speaker 2: I opened the door and yes, can I help you?
Speaker 2: And the guy throws his arms up and said, Dad,
Speaker 2: it's me. It's Dennis. I've come home. But that never happened.
Speaker 2: He passed away on Halloween. It's been several years ago.
Speaker 2: I was living in Portland at the time, but I
Speaker 2: remember hearing that he had passed away. But that anguish,
Speaker 2: you know, to lose a child. And he saw Dennis
Speaker 2: go into that clump of bushes and never come back out.
Speaker 2: That's the last time he ever saw him. I don't
Speaker 2: know if something took him, if he got abducted, if
Speaker 2: he got into a place and couldn't get out and
Speaker 2: they just never found anything.
Speaker 1: Or you know, you know, if it could be something
Speaker 1: kind of similar maybe what you know you experienced. You know.
Speaker 1: And another thing too is you know, there's so many
Speaker 1: stories of you know, pharo people up there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we covered that. We had a video that
Speaker 2: my wife wrote about feral people in national parks and
Speaker 2: in the wilderness in general. And Dwight McCarter he used
Speaker 2: to be he was a ranger there in the smoke.
Speaker 2: He's a head tracker. He was the lead on the
Speaker 2: Denis Martin case. He's retired now, but he said there
Speaker 2: he didn't call them feral people, but he said there's
Speaker 2: people that live back in there that don't want anything
Speaker 2: to do with anybody. He said they've been back there
Speaker 2: for generations. And I've had people try to debunk that
Speaker 2: and say, you actually think there's places back there that
Speaker 2: people could hide and not be seen. Yes, there I do.
Speaker 2: And if you don't, you just haven't been far enough
Speaker 2: back in the woods. I'm not talking about on the
Speaker 2: high contrails. I'm talking about bushwhacking and getting out in
Speaker 2: some of those hells they call them because they're held
Speaker 2: to get through. And an example that I like to
Speaker 2: point to Eric Rudolph, the bomber that was on the
Speaker 2: FBI's most wanted list. He hid out in Nanta Haala
Speaker 2: National Force, which is just below the Smoke. He's there
Speaker 2: for five years and eluded the FBI. This was a
Speaker 2: guy with no survival experience, no real outdoors experience. Well,
Speaker 2: if a guy like that can go hide in the
Speaker 2: woods for five years, you know, I telling me that
Speaker 2: there couldn't be dozens of people out there doing the
Speaker 2: same thing. And park The only reason he got caught
Speaker 2: he was sneaking into some little town there in North
Speaker 2: Carolina and getting they old pastries out of the dumpster
Speaker 2: of a little store there where they were throwing him away.
Speaker 2: Sweet tooth got him caught. But yeah, I believe it's possible.
Speaker 2: I believe there's people out there. And there's another guy.
Speaker 2: You may have heard of him. He's got a YouTube
Speaker 2: channel called South Forest ten and he tells a lot
Speaker 2: of the Smoky's legends and stuff. And he's older than
Speaker 2: I am. He's way up in his sixties, maybe even seventy.
Speaker 2: But he said some of his relatives talked about before
Speaker 2: it was a national park, they were hired by the
Speaker 2: government to go in there and hunt these pharaohs and
Speaker 2: get them out of there, and that he says, part
Speaker 2: of the reason that it is a national park is
Speaker 2: to contain those people in there. That that containment theory.
Speaker 1: I've heard that, I have to I've heard that a
Speaker 1: few times.
Speaker 2: But uh, I don't know, I don't know what to think.
Speaker 2: It's just it's one of those things. I've been looking
Speaker 2: into this since I was little, and I have yet
Speaker 2: to find any answers. Uh. In fact, I've got a
Speaker 2: lot more questions than I started with. And and now
Speaker 2: it's like I'm not even looking for answers anymore. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to find the next set of questions.
Speaker 1: Right right, you know, because you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just there's just so many possibilities, you know,
Speaker 1: and it does make you wonder, you know, if that's false.
Speaker 1: You know, why are there's you know, signs everywhere in
Speaker 1: these places, you know, do not leave the trail, you know,
Speaker 1: stay with the group. Yeah, of course, you know, naturally,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have wild animals and things like that,
Speaker 1: you know, but it also makes you wonder too, is
Speaker 1: it something else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've thought about that, you know, and that's I
Speaker 2: don't know, there's something out there. There's I've felt the
Speaker 2: presence out there before, and I've been around big cats.
Speaker 2: I've been around bear and stuff like that. He didn't
Speaker 2: feel like that because the other animals and things, you know,
Speaker 2: they know when there's an apex predator around. Right, there's
Speaker 2: something out there that even the predator animals are scared of.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know what isn't But there's so
Speaker 2: much that we don't know. We we think we're so
Speaker 2: smart about a lot of things, and there's I mean,
Speaker 2: they're they're discovering new species all the time in places
Speaker 2: like the rainforest and places like that. And there was
Speaker 2: a time around the turn of the last century when
Speaker 2: they thought the great apes were a myth, that that
Speaker 2: was just you know, stories and things until they actually
Speaker 2: found one. Right, And I've had people say, well, Bigfoot
Speaker 2: can't exist, because how come they've never found a carcass
Speaker 2: in the woods. Well, I know bears exist, and I've
Speaker 2: been all over the Smokies. I've hiked the Appalachian Trail
Speaker 2: for about three months one time, from Georgia to Damascus, Virginia.
Speaker 2: And I never seen a bear carcass in the woods.
Speaker 2: The only time I've ever seen a deer carcass was
Speaker 2: a fresh one when somebody was poaching out a season
Speaker 2: and and got rid of it. But just because you
Speaker 2: can't find the carcass, that don't mean it's not out
Speaker 2: there exactly. Who's to say they don't bury their dead.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's Cherokee legends about Harry Giants. One day
Speaker 2: suddenly I think there's what they call it legends of
Speaker 2: the little people up there in the Smokies. It all
Speaker 2: ties together, it's all connected. That's what I think is.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I said, there's one thing that I've
Speaker 1: learned over the years and stuff and everything, and especially
Speaker 1: you know, since it started doing these stories and hearing
Speaker 1: other people with experiences and everything. And one thing I've learned,
Speaker 1: like I said, is keep an open mind about pretty
Speaker 1: much everything.
Speaker 2: Yep. That's one of those TV shows used to say
Speaker 2: that there's no mystery to an open mind or something
Speaker 2: like that, and that's true. You have to consider all
Speaker 2: the things. Yeah, a lot of people will go messing
Speaker 2: through their own fault. Like I said, being overconfident, underprepared.
Speaker 2: You get out and not dressed for the weather, rainstorm
Speaker 2: and blow in. You can get hypothermia even in the
Speaker 2: summertime on the tops of some of those mountains. But
Speaker 2: then there's those cases that just make you wonder, like
Speaker 2: where they were hiking along and suddenly they're not even
Speaker 2: on the trail anymore. They look around behind them and
Speaker 2: there is no trail and they don't know where they are.
Speaker 2: There's been people where they could see search and rescue
Speaker 2: and hear them, but they couldn't see or hear the
Speaker 2: person they're looking for, even they were then shouting distance
Speaker 2: of each other. Oh yeah, don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: time slip or.
Speaker 1: That's what I started saying. I've wandered that about that too,
Speaker 1: you know, And there's so many stories about you know,
Speaker 1: like you say, people you know they're going down the
Speaker 1: road and yeah, you know, sometimes you know you're driving,
Speaker 1: you've got a lot on your mind or something, especially
Speaker 1: if you're buy yourself and you know you're just kind
Speaker 1: of zoned out, you know, and you know, time will
Speaker 1: get away from you a little bit. But there's people
Speaker 1: that said so many times. You know, I was driving
Speaker 1: on the interstate, you know, or going home, and the
Speaker 1: next thing I know, I'm in a completely different area
Speaker 1: in a snap of a finger. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had that happen too. I've had some just
Speaker 2: minor time slips like that, if you will. And then
Speaker 2: I had one episode when I was a teenager of
Speaker 2: missing time, and that was in suburban West Knoxville U
Speaker 2: subdivision that I lived in the building in three phases.
Speaker 2: The first part had been done, the second part was
Speaker 2: still under construction, and they had started on the third part,
Speaker 2: Phase three. They just had a asphalt road that went
Speaker 2: up in there and the rest of it was wooded lots.
Speaker 2: And a guy that lived up the street from me,
Speaker 2: we went to high school together. We both rode BMX
Speaker 2: bicycles at the time, and we'd ridden up there just
Speaker 2: to ride on that road where there was no houses
Speaker 2: or cars or anything. And we were headed toward the
Speaker 2: end of the road it ended in a cul de sac,
Speaker 2: just peddled along, jawing with each other there, and I
Speaker 2: heard a noise up in the woods off to my right,
Speaker 2: sounded like some metallic and I just looked up that
Speaker 2: way and then I looked back. We were still on
Speaker 2: our bicycles, still peddling, but we were going the other direction.
Speaker 1: Oh went on.
Speaker 2: Down the road. We didn't say a word to each other.
Speaker 2: He went in his driveway. I went on down to mine,
Speaker 2: went in the house. My mom and Dad's like, where
Speaker 2: are you being? I was out riding bikes with Danny,
Speaker 2: and they said, well, you need to get in here.
Speaker 2: You got school tomorrow. It's late. It was after eleven o'clock,
Speaker 2: and it was had much more than gotten dark because
Speaker 2: in the summertime it's probably around eight nine o'clock. Whendn't
Speaker 2: we were up there, so somewhere in there I lost
Speaker 2: two or three hours, had no idea where I was
Speaker 2: or what happened. But I was going one direction and
Speaker 2: the next thing I know, I'm going the other direction,
Speaker 2: still on the bike, still peddling. And I've had people
Speaker 2: ask me, would you undergo hypnosis or hypnotic regression? And
Speaker 2: a part of me is curious. Some would like to,
Speaker 2: but then there's a part of me I don't want
Speaker 2: to know right after two or three hours or what
Speaker 2: happened to me, if it was exactly aliens or something
Speaker 2: like that, and I got probed. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Know about it, you brother. Yeah, you know, I've always heard,
Speaker 1: you know, don't ask questions that you don't want to
Speaker 1: know the answer.
Speaker 2: To exactly, you know, exactly.
Speaker 1: But I said, I had a similar experience once, me
Speaker 1: and my dad back before he passed away. We had
Speaker 1: heard about this old cemetery that my granny always told
Speaker 1: us that had some of her king folk in and
Speaker 1: she said it was old dirt road, you know, old
Speaker 1: logging road. By the time, I used to have an
Speaker 1: old deep Cherokee. And we went up that old road
Speaker 1: and everything, and uh well, we turned off with like
Speaker 1: I said, a little side road there, you know. We
Speaker 1: went back there for like five minutes and it comes
Speaker 1: almost to a dead end. That's when we had to
Speaker 1: hit the little uh old logging road. And we went
Speaker 1: back there and I made it. Took probably twenty minutes
Speaker 1: to get back there to it. Finally found it, like
Speaker 1: never found it, but we finally found it. We get out,
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking around, you know, see some familiar
Speaker 1: the names that we've heard of growing up and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and Dad said, we'll look up that sky,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, it looks like it's gonna storm
Speaker 1: on us. He said, we better get out of here
Speaker 1: and get back to the house for it opens up
Speaker 1: gets bad on us. I said, well, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: we loaded up, turned the jeep ram and we went over.
Speaker 1: We literally leave the cemetery there. We went over the
Speaker 1: little beady hill and around one little curve and there
Speaker 1: was that road and we just stopped and I just
Speaker 1: we just looked at one another. He said, how did
Speaker 1: we get out of there that fast? I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I said, I can't explain now. He said,
Speaker 1: it took us forever to get back in there. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it literally mighta took maybe two minutes to get
Speaker 1: back out. And I said, I to this day, I
Speaker 1: can't explain it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had some little ones like that. When I
Speaker 2: lived in Las Vegas. I was going home one night
Speaker 2: and I think I was going out to Flamingo. I
Speaker 2: had to go out and make a turn and go
Speaker 2: to a part of town that I lived in, and
Speaker 2: I drove and I drove and I drove, and suddenly
Speaker 2: I realized, I don't even know where I'm at. Nothing
Speaker 2: looked familiar to me, and I thought I've passed my road.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be up to Blue Diamond or somewhere.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to turn around and go back.
Speaker 2: And it should have taken me five minutes to get
Speaker 2: to the from the strip to that time of night,
Speaker 2: up to where I needed to turn, and I know,
Speaker 2: I drove for like fifteen or twenty minutes, and then
Speaker 2: when I was looking for some place to turn around,
Speaker 2: there was the turn I needed to make. And to
Speaker 2: this day, I have no idea what happened there, Just
Speaker 2: the road wasn't where it was supposed to be, and
Speaker 2: then I came to it eventually. And another time, this
Speaker 2: when I lived in Oregon. I lived outside of Portland
Speaker 2: for a while, a little town called Saint Helen's, Oregon,
Speaker 2: And I smoked sigarettes at the time, and I'd walked
Speaker 2: up to the corner store to get a pack of
Speaker 2: cigarettes and it was maybe two blocks, yeah, And I
Speaker 2: got my cigarettes, and I came back and I was
Speaker 2: paying attention, you know, I just might have been daydreaming
Speaker 2: a little bit or something. That was after dark, and
Speaker 2: I turned down what I thought was my road and
Speaker 2: it wasn't my road. And I'd gone like three blocks
Speaker 2: up the road and turned out another taking left down
Speaker 2: another road, walking and it took me a minute, but
Speaker 2: I figured out where it was and went back out
Speaker 2: and went to two blocks up and then there was
Speaker 2: my street. But there's no way I would have walked
Speaker 2: right past it like that. There's there's a I heard
Speaker 2: somebody explain at one time, like, if you've got a
Speaker 2: map and there's a distance between point A and point B, well,
Speaker 2: what would happen if you folded that map, like with
Speaker 2: a fold in the middle to where A and B
Speaker 2: are closer, that you could fold the fabric of time
Speaker 2: or space and make those distances shorter. And I believe
Speaker 2: somehow that happens sometimes inadvertently. I don't think it's anything
Speaker 2: we do or anything we can control. I think it
Speaker 2: just happens.
Speaker 1: I believe you're at man, it's got to be it's
Speaker 1: got to be something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: They don't, but like I said, it's wild. I mean
Speaker 1: to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the points. That's I'm an insomniac, chronic of doing
Speaker 2: better here lately since I got married and moved to
Speaker 2: New England. But there was a lot of years in it.
Speaker 2: I didn't sleep more than two or three hours at night.
Speaker 2: But that's the kind of stuff that rolls around in
Speaker 2: my head at night when I can't spend something to ponder.
Speaker 2: You know, what was that? What happened to this? Where'd
Speaker 2: that go? You know? Who did this? That? You can
Speaker 2: think of all kinds of things, And like Charles Fort
Speaker 2: once wrote, one measures a circle beginning anywhere, And that's
Speaker 2: the way this stuff is. You can start at one point,
Speaker 2: go all the way around, you come back to the
Speaker 2: same thing thing you were thinking about, and you still
Speaker 2: don't know anymore than when you started.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's that. And I think that too,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what makes a lot of that so interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, fascinating. In fact, I'm not knowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wouldn't be fun if we had all
Speaker 2: the answers of the journey that I've been, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been near as much fun adventure as I've enjoyed.
Speaker 2: And that's why I just thrill the chase, to thrill
Speaker 2: the hunt, you know, to go out there and see
Speaker 2: what's happened or go I never go anywhere thinking that
Speaker 2: I'm going to experience anything, but sometimes you get pleasantly surprised,
Speaker 2: if you will, right, But like that that if you
Speaker 2: go expecting it to happen, it ain't gonna happen. But
Speaker 2: then you can find yourself in a place and something
Speaker 2: will happen, and then you ask somebody about it and
Speaker 2: be oh, yeah, that's you know, old man so and
Speaker 2: So's place. It's haunted. You don't want to be around there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That reminded me of the story of one of my cousins.
Speaker 2: She was married the guy that was in the Marines.
Speaker 2: I think they had been at Campbell of June or somewhere,
Speaker 2: and am on their weekends off them. Another military couple
Speaker 2: went hiking and they came across an old house out
Speaker 2: in the middle of the woods somewhere, and obviously nobody
Speaker 2: lived there, but they sort of broke into it and
Speaker 2: went in looked around. They said, there was the dinner
Speaker 2: plates and silverwear and stuff was set out like they
Speaker 2: were getting ready to eat. There was clothes laid out
Speaker 2: on the bed, and there was a calendar in there
Speaker 2: that was I think nineteen fifty forties or fifties or
Speaker 2: something like that that hadn't been changed, and they were just,
Speaker 2: you know, what is this? What happened here? They went
Speaker 2: around looking to see if there was like maybe a
Speaker 2: secret room or secret panel that somebody had gotten caught
Speaker 2: behind and couldn't get out. And then on the way
Speaker 2: back out of there, they stopped at the little general
Speaker 2: store and they asked the clerk there about that old
Speaker 2: house up in the woods where it was, and they said,
Speaker 2: he got the strangest look on his face and then
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to talk to him anymore. He's like, just
Speaker 2: take your stuff and get out of here. I ain't
Speaker 2: got nothing to say about that. So there was something
Speaker 2: that had happened there, But they went back at a
Speaker 2: later date and tried to find it, couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So you know what, what on earth was
Speaker 2: that order or a time slip or something there that
Speaker 2: people disappear and nobody around there would talk about it.
Speaker 2: I wish I knew more to that story, But that's
Speaker 2: that's all I know.
Speaker 1: About it, right, And and like I said, you know
Speaker 1: that just it adds to the imagination and the curiosity,
Speaker 1: and that's just what makes it so fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, we got another story you could share
Speaker 2: with us. I'm loving you the storyteller.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's like I said, it's a blessing to be here.
Speaker 1: Bro Uh, yeah, I got one. I said, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty funny one. Uh kind of change it up a
Speaker 1: little bit, as uh Paul told me. Someone said, you
Speaker 1: used to know this old feller. He said, back in
Speaker 1: the old days. You know, they said that. You know,
Speaker 1: back then, they weren't nothing to do back in the mountains,
Speaker 1: you know, other than working every day. And he said,
Speaker 1: you know, if there was anything to do, he was
Speaker 1: either drinking, making something to drink, or playing little music.
Speaker 1: He said, that's about it, you know, he said, other
Speaker 1: than the occasionally, you know, he said, going to preaching
Speaker 1: or you know occasionally you know they'd have a shen dig.
Speaker 1: You don't have much to do, you know. Well, he
Speaker 1: said there was just one old feller. He said, everybody
Speaker 1: in town know and said the old feller said it
Speaker 1: was the biggest you know. Said he was always drunk,
Speaker 1: you know, said good old feller, you know, best failure
Speaker 1: you'd ever meet in your life. But said, if you've
Speaker 1: seen him, he was either drunk or on the way.
Speaker 1: You know, one of them kind well said they all
Speaker 1: got together one time. I'm today's having this beach of
Speaker 1: dude and stuff, you know, and said, then't naturally said,
Speaker 1: and they said everywhere he went, said he had this
Speaker 1: old dog he called Ben Sody. Everywhere he went, Ben
Speaker 1: was with him, they said, a lot of times he
Speaker 1: be on side of the road somewhere passed out. Said
Speaker 1: Ben be sitting right there with him. You know. Well
Speaker 1: said days out there you know what to do, you know,
Speaker 1: and he said a lot of people, you know today's
Speaker 1: playing music and stuff. Said it weren't long everybody brought
Speaker 1: out the shine. You know, well said the women folk
Speaker 1: had got around, you know, and had a little bitty
Speaker 1: bottles there, you know, and said they had took peppermint
Speaker 1: and crushed it up and put it in there, and
Speaker 1: they went around having the menfolk filling it up with
Speaker 1: moonshine a little bit, and said they put that up
Speaker 1: for the wintertime for use for medicine. You know. Well
Speaker 1: said that after you know they've done that, make sure
Speaker 1: the women folks got to what they needed. Said he.
Speaker 1: You know, it went for the celebrating, Well, they said,
Speaker 1: theary come here. Everything grin like a toothy possible, you know,
Speaker 1: he said. He started drinking, you know stuff. Everything ain't
Speaker 1: going on, well, he said, he leaned no worse. The
Speaker 1: poor fellow had a pair of overhauls. They said it
Speaker 1: was about three times too big for him to begin with,
Speaker 1: and said he leaned over, and said he leaned over,
Speaker 1: and he leaned over on a mew and said that
Speaker 1: old mule took off, and Calty's overhaul gallass and everything.
Speaker 1: Said it drugg you about six foot and said he
Speaker 1: rolled and rolled almost plumb. Abby's overalls. Said everybody was
Speaker 1: a life in the carrying on, slapping their legs and stuff.
Speaker 1: Say he stands up, pullsies overhauls back up and everything
Speaker 1: Pixie's had up, slapped it on his head and said
Speaker 1: that's it being you're sleeping in the floor tonight.
Speaker 2: Too funny. Yeah, that that pops called moonshine. I've heard
Speaker 2: some interesting stories about the fact that that has on people.
Speaker 2: And I heard somebody one time saying, if you take
Speaker 2: a nightcrawler fishing worm, put it in a glass of water,
Speaker 2: it lives, but you put it in a glass of moonshine,
Speaker 2: it'll die. And he said the moral of that story
Speaker 2: is if you drink moonshine, you'll never have worms.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Well, that's like a lot of folks,
Speaker 1: you know, you could tell that you know, Mike, in
Speaker 1: the old days, you know, they'd run out of gas
Speaker 1: or something. You know, they put a little shine in
Speaker 1: there into gas tanks and everything, and it'd run on
Speaker 1: it for a little while. Toll they get it some gas.
Speaker 1: A lot of folks won't believe that.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that's pure great alcohol. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 2: it will still blow up. I saw a house one
Speaker 2: time that was back in the sixties. I think that
Speaker 2: was out in rural Knox County where a guy had
Speaker 2: a still in an old house and it blew up
Speaker 2: and leveled that place. I mean, there wasn't nothing toothpicks.
Speaker 1: Lord.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be dangerous, but I wouldn't care for it.
Speaker 2: I knew the guy that lived up the edge of
Speaker 2: the smoke, he's there, that had a steal up there
Speaker 2: and brought it back into the Knoxville and delivered it.
Speaker 2: And they saw all they could make. You know, the
Speaker 2: people wanted it. That the moonshine and the legendary, and they've
Speaker 2: got stuff now that you can buy that they call moonshine.
Speaker 1: But it ain't it ain't quite saying.
Speaker 2: Here's some horror stories of guy. My brother went to
Speaker 2: high school with got a hold of some moonshine they'd
Speaker 2: been made in an old radiator, and.
Speaker 1: It killed them, and oh, man, mercy. Yeah, I've heard
Speaker 1: folks talk about that, you know, where they really didn't
Speaker 1: know what they's doing, you know, real bad or anything,
Speaker 1: or made it incorrectly or just cheap, made you know,
Speaker 1: curse something like that, you know, with the radiator and
Speaker 1: you know people going literally going blind from it, stuff
Speaker 1: like that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just never never wanted to try it. Never
Speaker 2: had a taste for alcohol anyway. But I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 2: drink anything like that.
Speaker 1: That's me, man, I said. Back when I was real
Speaker 1: young and everything growing up and full of vinegar and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, I drank my fire share by I drank
Speaker 1: like a fiche out of water. But when I got
Speaker 1: older and got married and started having young's and my
Speaker 1: own stuff everything, I just give it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I figure I've got a little enough sense as
Speaker 2: it is. I don't want to do anything to make
Speaker 2: me have less.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: Drank a little bit when I was in college. I
Speaker 2: spit one quarter at a dorm and that was a mistake.
Speaker 2: And we used to drink malt liquor and the evenings,
Speaker 2: drink it to a straw because it taken effect quicker.
Speaker 2: And that was a student meal. Back then, there was
Speaker 2: a little convenience store there at University of Tennessee right
Speaker 2: the edge of it where you could get a quarter
Speaker 2: of malt liquor and two packs of rawmen for a dollar.
Speaker 2: That was you know, when you're on a student budget.
Speaker 2: That was an evening's entertainment.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Rather and uh just never got a taste for it.
Speaker 2: I said, I knew some people that just get just
Speaker 2: snot slinging drunk, you know, and and hungover and all that,
Speaker 2: and then talk about what a good time they Hadn't
Speaker 2: sound like a.
Speaker 1: Good time to me, Yeah, I said, I've I've seen people,
Speaker 1: you know, like you say that, you know, drank till
Speaker 1: they pass out, and you know, as soon as they
Speaker 1: wake up, they're looking for another drink.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I just that ain't for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an affliction. And I've known people like
Speaker 2: that too, that were blackout drinkers.
Speaker 1: That would drink Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Have no idea what they've done, where they did it
Speaker 2: or anything. Yeah, wake up in jail, not even know
Speaker 2: how they got there.
Speaker 1: Or Yeah, I had cousin that he said. He said,
Speaker 1: got drunk. He said, is that somebody's house? And he said,
Speaker 1: next thing I know, I'm waking up in jail, thinking,
Speaker 1: oh Lord, what have I doing.
Speaker 2: I heard a guy tell a story one time he
Speaker 2: drank like that, woke up in somebody's house and the
Speaker 2: kids were sitting there. But two little kids are sitting
Speaker 2: there playing Nintendo. Said he looked around and they had
Speaker 2: a family picture hanging there. He said, well, that's these
Speaker 2: two little kids, but he didn't recognize the man or
Speaker 2: the woman. And the kids like, uh, well you're awake
Speaker 2: now you won't play some Nintendo. He's like, nah, I guess,
Speaker 2: I guess I better get on down the road left,
Speaker 2: And still had no idea whose house he was at,
Speaker 2: or how he got there, nothing about the circumstances, but
Speaker 2: just woke up on the couch. That that'd be scary
Speaker 2: as hell to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like anything like that, Oh mercy me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's great having you out here. I love
Speaker 2: hearing you tell these stories, and your YouTube channel is
Speaker 2: just an absolute delight. You've got so many stories from
Speaker 2: from Appalacha over there. Like I said, some of them
Speaker 2: are scary. Some of them are just the kind of
Speaker 2: touching and poignant. There's there's a little bit of everything
Speaker 2: over there. How long have you been doing your.
Speaker 1: Channel, Well, I've been on YouTube for about four years now,
Speaker 1: but I've been doing the Apple Actian stuff for almost two.
Speaker 2: And that seems to really caught on that. That's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people, especially out away from there, that
Speaker 2: have never heard those hotels and find it hard to believe,
Speaker 2: you know that people used to live like that still do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can take you places right now that
Speaker 2: don't have electricity and runoff up in Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a lot of folks holler at me
Speaker 1: and tell me say, you know, if you ever get
Speaker 1: up to you know so and so away, let me know.
Speaker 1: You know, I can take you back in o Hall
Speaker 1: and where some folks still live like it and you know,
Speaker 1: drink from whale and stuff like that, and I like, shoot,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's my dream. One day I'd like to
Speaker 2: end up out in the woods in Maine, somewhere in
Speaker 2: the cabin, just as far away from people as I
Speaker 2: can get. My wife's the same way. We just we
Speaker 2: prefer our own company. And even though I have YouTube
Speaker 2: and have all the fans and everything, all that subscribers.
Speaker 2: I'm not really a people person. I just started enjoying
Speaker 2: my privacy, you know. That's that's to me that I
Speaker 2: share with people, and then the rest of the time
Speaker 2: I like to be left alone. I read a lot,
Speaker 2: write a lot, study a lot. I've been on a
Speaker 2: real book writing bench. Hearey. I couldn't even tell you
Speaker 2: right now. I'd have to stop and think how many
Speaker 2: books I got out there. I think it's like eighteen
Speaker 2: or something, and I'm still working on more. Writing one
Speaker 2: about my maternal grandmother, and that one's a mess. It's
Speaker 2: just all over the place because she, you know, she
Speaker 2: was a fortune teller and they were out of that
Speaker 2: the spiritualism movement from around the turn of the last century.
Speaker 2: My mom was born nineteen twenty seven. When she was
Speaker 2: a little girl in the thirties, they still had seances
Speaker 2: and table tappings and all kinds of stuff. That was
Speaker 2: just their normal. They didn't know any better, right. But
Speaker 2: then the seventh son, my uncle, became a Baptist preacher,
Speaker 2: and then they all got religion and threw away the
Speaker 2: wageboards and the stopped at the table tipping in the
Speaker 2: seances and stuff like that. But I loved hearing those
Speaker 2: old stories and a lot of it they were just
Speaker 2: ready to talk about because they felt silly, you know,
Speaker 2: after they didn't do it anymore. But at the time,
Speaker 2: my dad was a scientist. He grew up, said over
Speaker 2: there in Finriance County, but seventeen years old, moved to
Speaker 2: Knoxville and started going to the University of Tennessee and
Speaker 2: then ended up working at oak Ridge National Laboratory. And
Speaker 2: he would talk about that. When he and my mom
Speaker 2: first got married. One of the first times I think
Speaker 2: that she took him to visit up there. He said
Speaker 2: they were having one of their table tapping sessions or
Speaker 2: table tipping, whatever they called it. He said, they sounded
Speaker 2: like the biggest bunch of heathens. He said, they're sitting
Speaker 2: in a circle around that old table. Rise, table, rise, Rise,
Speaker 2: And he said, I tried every way in the world
Speaker 2: to figure out what was doing it. He said, nobody
Speaker 2: had their foot under the leg of it. They didn't
Speaker 2: have any wires or anything attached to it. Nobody had
Speaker 2: rulers up their sleeves and making it rise, he said.
Speaker 2: But that old table, he said it would tip up,
Speaker 2: it would rise, and they talked about one time they
Speaker 2: took one of the grandkids and put them up as
Speaker 2: an old farmhouse type table. Put the kid up on
Speaker 2: it and to that table tried as hard as it
Speaker 2: could to raise up, but with the extra weight of
Speaker 2: that kid on there, it couldn't do it. But said
Speaker 2: it creaked and groaned and shuddered. Well, what do you
Speaker 2: think something like that is? What's your opinion on the supernatural?
Speaker 2: What do you think's out there?
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I've always kept an open mind about,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty much everything, and I've often wondered, especially
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes you know, like the stuff
Speaker 1: like that, you know, the table tippers and stuff everything.
Speaker 1: You know, I've often wondered if it weren't a mix
Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of stuff. You know that
Speaker 1: some things you know, maybe like a little bit of
Speaker 1: it they could do, but they just amped it up,
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of draw into you know, bigger
Speaker 1: crowds and more people you know, and stuff everything because
Speaker 1: you know, back then, you know, you did what you
Speaker 1: had to do to make money. You know, you had
Speaker 1: to feed your family. And like I said, I've offered
Speaker 1: wondered do you some of the things like you said,
Speaker 1: you know that they couldn't explain how they did it,
Speaker 1: you know if some of the things they really could do,
Speaker 1: they just added more to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, made it a little more theatrical, more of a show.
Speaker 2: And that was that basically describes a spiritualism movement. That
Speaker 2: was where you had all these fake mediums, you had
Speaker 2: the spirit photography and people, you know, just vacant stuff.
Speaker 2: It's downright factory. There used to be a place there
Speaker 2: in Gallenburg. I made a video about it called Hauntings
Speaker 2: on the Parkway and they take it in there, tilled
Speaker 2: about maybe twenty or thirty people in this laudatorium and
Speaker 2: they put on an old fashioned spook show, a spiritualism show.
Speaker 2: And one of the things they would do they would
Speaker 2: take a medium and put her in a little cabinet
Speaker 2: that was made out of curtains and tire hands, and
Speaker 2: then they'd draw the curtain and then everything would start happening.
Speaker 2: The lights would go out, and then you'd hear tambourine,
Speaker 2: you'd see stuff coming out of the little box that
Speaker 2: she was in. Uh, And then the lights had come up,
Speaker 2: they whipped the curtain back. She's still sitting there supposedly
Speaker 2: in a trance with her hands tied. Was all a
Speaker 2: bunch of trickery. And they had people dressed in black
Speaker 2: costumes like on a watch car, like black skin tight
Speaker 2: stuff with a mask over their face. You couldn't see them.
Speaker 2: They're running around in the dark, shaking tambourines and throwing
Speaker 2: going the dark, ping pong balls and stuff. But I
Speaker 2: could see how back in the day, people that didn't
Speaker 2: know any better would would see something like that and
Speaker 2: think that they were in the midst of those spirits manifesting.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they can or that they don't,
Speaker 2: but there was a lot of trickery, a lot of
Speaker 2: fakery out there, and people like Houdini, he spent his life,
Speaker 2: the later part of his life exposing those Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: the book ectoplasm and the automatic writing and some of
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I said, there's a bunch of it.
Speaker 2: But the thing was my grandmother and them, they they
Speaker 2: didn't do it for a crowd, or do it for show,
Speaker 2: or do it for money. Well, my grandmother told fortune
Speaker 2: she wouldn't wouldn't take any money for it. Now, if
Speaker 2: somebody wanted to give her something, might give her, you know,
Speaker 2: a dozen eggs or basket apples or something. She would
Speaker 2: take a donation like that. But she said, you know,
Speaker 2: if I have a gift, and what if you have
Speaker 2: a gift, you give it away. You can't charge for it.
Speaker 2: She said, what the buildings I have, they would be
Speaker 2: taken from me. I started charging people for it.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of the old mountain healers, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like me. You know, I'm a part of that,
Speaker 1: you know, the faith healing everything. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: was taught how to you know, it was passed down
Speaker 1: to me. Have to start blood and everything. But for
Speaker 1: something that can you know, they can take you know,
Speaker 1: buy warts or something. You know, they can talk to
Speaker 1: fire out of somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard people that could blow fire out, people
Speaker 2: that blow warts off. My grandmother got rid of a
Speaker 2: ward that I had on my thumb. Was she had
Speaker 2: me rub some gravel on it, and then she told
Speaker 2: me to take those gravel and put them where somebody
Speaker 2: would walk over them. And whoever walked over those gravel
Speaker 2: got my warrant or warp went away. I don't know
Speaker 2: if anybody else got it or not. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I just you know, the power of belief or
Speaker 2: mind over mad or what. But it was and she
Speaker 2: knew things that she didn't have any way of knowing,
Speaker 2: right that. That used to amaze me.
Speaker 1: But I said, and that's one thing they told me,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, when I was taught, when it
Speaker 1: was passed down to me, that was the number one thing.
Speaker 1: And they told me said, never charge nobody. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a gift from the Lord, you know, they said,
Speaker 1: so you know, if you start using it for anything
Speaker 1: like it, start charging, it can be taken away from you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was that was her exact words. You
Speaker 2: know that she had even prayed that if what she
Speaker 2: was doing was wrong, for it to be taken away
Speaker 2: from her. And she said it came on or even
Speaker 2: stronger after.
Speaker 1: That, right right. And you know a lot of the
Speaker 1: no halers, you know, you know, anybody that was you know,
Speaker 1: a part of the you know, the old healers or
Speaker 1: anything like that. You know, they would tell you first
Speaker 1: hay and straight out you know they're not the ones
Speaker 1: doing it. It's the Lord working through them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. My brother, the only sibling I had, he
Speaker 2: was seventeen years older than me. Like I said, I
Speaker 2: was a latent life baby. He became a Pentecostal minister
Speaker 2: and they had a healing and deliverance ministry, and you know,
Speaker 2: he believed in it what he was doing. That's what
Speaker 2: he'd say. He said, I'm just a vessel that God
Speaker 2: works through me. And I've been to some of those
Speaker 2: healing services and seen stuff happen. You know that just
Speaker 2: that's not supposed to happen, but it does. And that's
Speaker 2: the power of the Almighty there who worked with those people.
Speaker 2: And some of the delivering stuff. I didn't stick around
Speaker 2: for that. They cast demons out of people and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, And I thought about that part in the
Speaker 2: Bible where Jesus cast the demons out somebody and they
Speaker 2: went into the swine. The swine cast themselves into the sea.
Speaker 2: I thought, well, when those demons come out of there,
Speaker 2: they're going to go somewhere, and I don't want it
Speaker 2: to be in the I wouldn't hang around for stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But he had stories, Jared, that would make
Speaker 2: your toes curl. Stuff, stuff that he came up against.
Speaker 2: And I asked him one time about ghosts of the
Speaker 2: supernatural and things like that. He believed in it. He said,
Speaker 2: when Christ reappeared after the resurrection, he said to his disciple,
Speaker 2: he said, it's me. I'm not a ghost. And he said,
Speaker 2: why would Jesus reference something that didn't exist. And another thing,
Speaker 2: he said that everything that we considered the natural world,
Speaker 2: he said, that was all spoken forth out of the supernatural.
Speaker 2: If you believe the Bible, he said, the laws of
Speaker 2: nature and physics and science things that he said, those
Speaker 2: are man's laws to measure the environment the world that
Speaker 2: we live in. He said, but those laws don't apply
Speaker 2: to God. God can do anything that's right. And that
Speaker 2: made the most sense of anything I've ever heard as
Speaker 2: far as an explanation for the supernatural and how things
Speaker 2: can happen. Even my dad, being a scientist, he would say, well,
Speaker 2: there's things that this aren't supposed to happen. That he said,
Speaker 2: even in the laboratory, we had anomalous things happen, things
Speaker 2: that we could not get it to repeat, you know,
Speaker 2: under controlled conditions, it would do something one time and
Speaker 2: then they could never get it to do it again,
Speaker 2: and the rest of the time it behave like it
Speaker 2: was supposed to. Right. So there's so much out there
Speaker 2: that we don't understand. And it's like you're talking about
Speaker 2: people that have these abilities and stuff. I think that
Speaker 2: is something that's born into us, and it's been taught
Speaker 2: out of us if you will that, Oh that doesn't
Speaker 2: work or you can't believe in that. But back in
Speaker 2: the day, you know, those people, they got along somehow,
Speaker 2: And I think things like being able to know things
Speaker 2: over a distance and things like that, that was just
Speaker 2: something an inate ability, a trade if you will, that
Speaker 2: we were born with. But it's been convenienced out of
Speaker 2: us with all the worldly stuff that you know. Now
Speaker 2: everything's instant everything instant gratification. You have TikTok and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. And lucky to hold people's attention for two
Speaker 2: or three minutes. I had somebody come at me in
Speaker 2: the comments not too long ago, like, why have you
Speaker 2: got a twenty five second intro on here? What do
Speaker 2: you think this is television? Well, you know, I have
Speaker 2: production values. I do it like a TV. I have
Speaker 2: an introduction, tell you what I'm going to talk about,
Speaker 2: then I talk about the cases, then I have a
Speaker 2: conclusion in an outro that's just you know, the way
Speaker 2: I do. You can't sit through a twenty five second
Speaker 2: intro then my channel ain't for you, you know. But
Speaker 2: that's the amazing thing to me about your channel is
Speaker 2: just the sheer number of stories you've been able to collect. Now,
Speaker 2: last night I did a Halloween Lives term that's my birthday,
Speaker 2: my dog too, oh birthday, Well, thank you? And uh,
Speaker 2: I read some listener stories and things and read an
Speaker 2: old story of a book that was one of my
Speaker 2: favorites as a kid. Did you do anything special for
Speaker 2: Halloween on your channel? Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it, But I did it Monday. Uh.
Speaker 1: I did a stream because a lot of my folks
Speaker 1: I was on a previous dream, you know, before Halloween.
Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about you know, having to you know take
Speaker 1: the kids trigger treating or their grandkids or something, you know,
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, probably won't be a lot of
Speaker 1: people on. So I did a Halloween stream Monday, you know,
Speaker 1: told some more stories and things like that. And then
Speaker 1: on Halloween last night, I uploaded the video that was
Speaker 1: originally for channel members only, but I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: it was kind of spooky and everything, so I uploaded
Speaker 1: in that was my newest upload.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, Monday night, I did h disappearances people that
Speaker 2: went missing on Halloween and I premiered that late because
Speaker 2: I knew other people that were doing shows and things.
Speaker 2: I think we premiered it like at eleven PM, and
Speaker 2: I had almost two hundred people in there at eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock on a Monday night. I was amazed at the
Speaker 2: premiere and it did well afterwards. And then last night
Speaker 2: I did my Halloween stream at eight o'clock. Figured up,
Speaker 2: at least on the East coast, the trigger treating was
Speaker 2: over with. But I even had people in the chat
Speaker 2: say I'm out trigger treating with my kids right now
Speaker 2: listening on the phone. Had a good time. I'll have
Speaker 2: to get back over there to look and see what
Speaker 2: you did on Halloween. I am a subscriber and I'm
Speaker 2: also a memory of your channel. I like being able
Speaker 2: to support what you do over there.
Speaker 1: Well, God bless you, brother, I sure do appreciate that,
Speaker 1: sure enough, because I said, when I first started this,
Speaker 1: I thought, Lord, you know, I love those stories and
Speaker 1: love telling them. You know, I thought, but shoot, ain't
Speaker 1: nobody going to listen to a you know, old was
Speaker 1: countable with hell stories, you know. And after I got
Speaker 1: to tell him some, you know, I run into uh
Speaker 1: Donny Laws and got to look at him his channel
Speaker 1: and everything, and I was like, welly, he does pretty
Speaker 1: much samething I do, you know. And I got to
Speaker 1: on him and all the time I me and he
Speaker 1: was gonna become pretty good buddies, you know. He got
Speaker 1: to tell me, you know, give me some tips and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know about my ed and and everything you ought
Speaker 1: to make him a little better and everything, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's just been an amazing journey. And I've met
Speaker 1: literally I've been blessed with being able to meet some
Speaker 1: of the most amazing people you know, you included, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it really is a blessing. And I've
Speaker 1: always said that the Good Lord lets everything happen for
Speaker 1: a reason. There's a reason for everything. We may not
Speaker 1: know the reason now, but there's a reason for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, a lot of stuff you don't realize it
Speaker 2: until hindsight, retrospective, and sometimes not even then. That's the
Speaker 2: way I feel, Uh was missing person stuff And I'm
Speaker 2: doing not something that's been laid on my heart to do,
Speaker 2: and the Lord has blessed us to allow us to
Speaker 2: continue to do this and grow like we have. But
Speaker 2: I've always said that if I bring one person home
Speaker 2: or give one family closure. Then I'm doing what I
Speaker 2: need to be, doing what I feel called to do it.
Speaker 2: It's been laid upon me as a calling. I'll always
Speaker 2: focus on the missing. Now I do this spooky stuff
Speaker 2: and things like that too, but I like being the missing,
Speaker 2: the missing stuff to be my primary focus. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you're talking about learning. I'll just I didn't know anything
Speaker 2: when I started out. I just like I said, I
Speaker 2: just kind of fell into it backwards. And I wanted
Speaker 2: to be a part of the horror narration community and
Speaker 2: I thought, well, I'd like to have a channel. And
Speaker 2: I thought, well, what would I narrate? Where do they
Speaker 2: get their stories? And I thought, well, dummy, you've got
Speaker 2: At that time, I had three books, and I want
Speaker 2: to read stories out of your books. So I started
Speaker 2: doing that and it just kind of grew from there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we do everything in house. My wife writes
Speaker 2: for me, and then I do the of course, they
Speaker 2: were the narrating, recording, the audio editing, and then I
Speaker 2: put the videos together and handle all the stuff on
Speaker 2: the back end. She produces a lot of stuff for me,
Speaker 2: but she's the most incredible writer this old Hillbilly's ever.
Speaker 1: Seen, got she got some talent, two.
Speaker 2: Master's degrees and almost a third. Never been married, no kids,
Speaker 2: no bad habits, match made to heaven. She thinks I
Speaker 2: hung the moon. She's twenty two years younger than I am.
Speaker 2: So God has blessed me.
Speaker 1: Well, sorry, that's a blessing rap there all on its own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just just you know, hang in there, don't settle,
Speaker 2: and God's got planned for you out there. And I
Speaker 2: love it. I mean I love what I do. Uh,
Speaker 2: this YouTube has been my job for the last oh
Speaker 2: four or five years anyway, between that and the books,
Speaker 2: you know, I haven't had to work a regular job,
Speaker 2: a public job in years. And then that's a blessing
Speaker 2: to not have to punch a clock or oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I did a lot of you know, tech support. I
Speaker 2: did that sort of thing, and that I worked in
Speaker 2: call centers doing technical support. And that's that's a meat grinder,
Speaker 2: take eighty ninety one hundred calls a day, you know.
Speaker 2: I just I don't see how I did it, and
Speaker 2: glad that I don't have to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: I hear that, brother, Well, you know, and that's one
Speaker 1: thing too, you know, I said I found you, I
Speaker 1: come across short Town. You know, it was months and
Speaker 1: months ago, and I said, I the first video, I
Speaker 1: was hooked, you know, and I got to watch and everything,
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, it's a blessing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It really is, because you never know when you're going
Speaker 1: to upload a video or one of your previous videos
Speaker 1: get watched by somebody and they're like, hey, I've seen
Speaker 1: this person.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah exactly. And I started doing lives on
Speaker 2: Friday nights or I do current missing person cases, and
Speaker 2: Nicole really digs in and researches on those and make
Speaker 2: sure that you know that we're not putting any bad
Speaker 2: information out there. The person hasn't been found yet, and uh,
Speaker 2: I mean we have stuff that's just people have been
Speaker 2: missing two or three days sometimes you know, that's it's
Speaker 2: still fresh. They're still out there, and like you said,
Speaker 2: somebody might say, hey I saw that guy at the
Speaker 2: gas station, or hey I saw that teenage girl at
Speaker 2: the bus stop. I better let somebody.
Speaker 1: Know, right.
Speaker 2: So again, it's just we do what we feel like
Speaker 2: we're being led to do, and you can't go wrong
Speaker 2: if you're doing that.
Speaker 1: Amen to that, brother, because like I said, you never
Speaker 1: know when you're gonna bring a family back together, or
Speaker 1: bring a loved one back or find somebody's you know,
Speaker 1: missing jilt, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just I mean that would have to tear
Speaker 2: your heart out. I can't imagine. I mean enough that
Speaker 2: they're found deceased and then you know they have a
Speaker 2: grave or ashes or something that way, but that not
Speaker 2: knowing you know, whether they're alive or dead, or they hungry,
Speaker 2: are they cold? Are they in trouble? Has somebody got them?
Speaker 2: And like a lot of these runaways, you don't know
Speaker 2: that there's necessarily still a runaway. I mean, you run
Speaker 2: away and then somebody abduct you went from bad to worse.
Speaker 2: So like spreading the word, keeping you know, names and
Speaker 2: faces out there and try to like I said, if
Speaker 2: we bring one person home or give one family closure,
Speaker 2: then that's what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: Amen of that, brother, But.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you watching the channel and put a lot
Speaker 2: of work in on it. And people don't realize how
Speaker 2: much work goes into some of these YouTube videos and
Speaker 2: so like you, you actually do it and you think
Speaker 2: they're gone. You know, this is as you got to
Speaker 2: make sure, especially with missing persons or anything like that
Speaker 2: that's based in things, actual events and actual life. I
Speaker 2: have some people, and I've had the families of some
Speaker 2: of these people come in and watch the videos and
Speaker 2: say thank you, you know, for putting my daughter or
Speaker 2: my sister, my brother, my parents out there.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it all work there right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, just those people. You know. I want
Speaker 2: to be a voice for those that no longer have
Speaker 2: a voice. And that's the other thing. God has blessed
Speaker 2: me with a voice that people like to listen to.
Speaker 2: I don't hear it myself. I've never liked the way
Speaker 2: I said I did. I'm just educated, he'll billy and
Speaker 2: but people say, you know, I listened to you to
Speaker 2: go to sleep, or I've got chronic pain, I've got PTSD,
Speaker 2: i've got fibromyalgia, I've got panic and anxiety disorder. Your
Speaker 2: voice calms me down. I like to listen to you.
Speaker 2: So you know, God bless them, and He's blessed me
Speaker 2: with a voice. Again. He's given me a gift, and
Speaker 2: I turn around and give it to everybody else. So say,
Speaker 2: I've listened to you, read the phone book or cereal box.
Speaker 2: Yeah I got Yeah, I just I've got the gift
Speaker 2: to gab. My dad used to accuse me that I
Speaker 2: could talk until I thought of what I wanted to say,
Speaker 2: and that probably ain't far from the truth.
Speaker 1: Oh but you know, I'd rather be around somebody like it,
Speaker 1: if somebody that don't locked out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, somebody that's and that's the way I used
Speaker 2: to be. There was a time when I was so introverted.
Speaker 2: I've run into people that went to high school with
Speaker 2: and say, I went to high school with you for
Speaker 2: four years and you never said a word. You were
Speaker 2: stuck up, too good to talk to the rest of us.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I wasn't. I just shy and backward.
Speaker 2: You I didn't know what to say, right. I didn't
Speaker 2: have any confidence, any self confidence or anything, and just
Speaker 2: kept myself to myself. And now here I am, you know,
Speaker 2: get hundreds of thousands of views every twenty eight days,
Speaker 2: and I just it's amazing, you know, the things that
Speaker 2: can happen, and you know it's it's because of the
Speaker 2: Internet and this blessing that's all. You know. I've got
Speaker 2: listeners in all over the world, Australia, Canada, the UK.
Speaker 2: October is always a busy month for me. It's spooky season.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants me to come on and talk. And I've
Speaker 2: been on shows throughout the country and on the UK.
Speaker 2: Used to go on to Clyde's show, Clyde Lewis's show
Speaker 2: as a guest. I knew him from Portland. I've been
Speaker 2: in his studio before live and well night, I was
Speaker 2: having a bad dream and I woke up and this
Speaker 2: oriented and all shook up. And I looked at my
Speaker 2: email and it was his producer, Ron Patt, and He's like,
Speaker 2: how'd you like to have a show on the ground
Speaker 2: zero radio network. Me and Clyde been talking and I
Speaker 2: love it and I've got them out of the lurch.
Speaker 2: Before too, they'd have a guest cancel and Ron would
Speaker 2: get a hold of me. If it's something I knew
Speaker 2: enough about that I could go on and talk, I'd
Speaker 2: go on and do it, or I'd at least try
Speaker 2: to find him. So because I know everybody, you know
Speaker 2: one of those people and only met a stranger one
Speaker 2: time and set of a lot of guests and stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, they remembered me, and I'm happy to
Speaker 2: be That's been one of my dreams is to be
Speaker 2: on the radio. And here I am just turned sixty
Speaker 2: years old yesterday and I've got a radio show. I
Speaker 2: love it. Man, just as God is good, God has
Speaker 2: blessed me.
Speaker 1: Amen to that, brother, Amen to that. You know, years ago,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing neither one of us would dream where we're at.
Speaker 2: No idea. And I wanted to be like a radio DJ,
Speaker 2: you know, disc jockey. And there was a trade school
Speaker 2: there in Knoxville called the National Academy of Broadcasting. I'd
Speaker 2: made plans to go there since I was like ten
Speaker 2: eleven years old, and I swear the week the week
Speaker 2: I graduated high school it closed its doors forever.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: But I ended up going to University of Tennessee and
Speaker 2: I was going to major in communications there and some
Speaker 2: of the courses that you had to take high functioning autism.
Speaker 2: I'm an aspy and I have a mild number dyslexia,
Speaker 2: and anything to do with math or anything like that,
Speaker 2: it's just it doesn't click with me. Even I was
Speaker 2: talking to the guidance counselor and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: don't want to do this, and he was laying out
Speaker 2: the coursework and radio wave propagation and how towers work
Speaker 2: and the equipment. I'm like, dude, I don't want to
Speaker 2: build a radio station. I said, I just want to
Speaker 2: sit in front my talk right right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when I was in school, I
Speaker 1: always like, I said, I love to talk, and I'd
Speaker 1: be in class or something like it. You know, I'd
Speaker 1: be talking to my buddies or something like that and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, and my teacher told me, I said, I
Speaker 1: was always the one they told me that would never
Speaker 1: amount to nothing.
Speaker 2: YEP. I used to hear that. I ended up majoring
Speaker 2: in English because I liked writing and wanted to write.
Speaker 2: But for the type of books I write, that that's overkill.
Speaker 2: A freshman opposition class, maybe a creative writing class just
Speaker 2: to learn dialogue and things like that, and a good
Speaker 2: thesaurus and a dictionary and maybe an ap style book.
Speaker 2: That's all you need. People ask me, you know, how
Speaker 2: do you do that? You just you sit down and
Speaker 2: just starts with the first word, the first sentence. And
Speaker 2: the trick I ask is, especially if I'm writing fiction, Okay,
Speaker 2: what happens next? I tell myself the story and then
Speaker 2: go back through the edit and tell everybody else I
Speaker 2: love it. I can't not create I can't not write.
Speaker 2: I've got the YouTube channel, I've got the radio and
Speaker 2: I've got several YouTube channels. I got the radio show.
Speaker 2: I've got a blog that I'm doing where I put
Speaker 2: stuff out. I've published all these books, and now my
Speaker 2: publishers decided they won't be to do audiobook excuse me,
Speaker 2: audiobook versions of my own books. And then since I've
Speaker 2: started doing those, they've come to me and say, well,
Speaker 2: how'd you like to do the audio versions of these books?
Speaker 2: I'm doing West and uh, I don't even read the Westerns,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'll give it a shot. I think
Speaker 2: I can know how they partner Louis lit Moore and
Speaker 2: Zane Gray or that kind of stuff. It's in that vein,
Speaker 2: but it's modern, newly read and stuff. But uh, I'm
Speaker 2: having the time of my life. Man. It's just hanging.
Speaker 2: I mean there was time a few years ago. I
Speaker 2: was never suicidal or anything, but I didn't care whether
Speaker 2: I lived or died. My family was gone. I've been
Speaker 2: there just kind of you know, dark knight of the
Speaker 2: soul there. But Gods, I just hang on, you know,
Speaker 2: And now now here I am married, I got all
Speaker 2: this stuff going on. Started my own publishing company. The
Speaker 2: happiest I've ever been.
Speaker 1: And uh, well bless.
Speaker 2: You too, brother. Just hang in there, keep fighting the
Speaker 2: good fight. Good things are coming in. I'm excited to
Speaker 2: go into a book venture with you, Jared.
Speaker 1: This will be me too, man, because I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, but never had the means or the
Speaker 1: know how or anything. I can't so as again, everything
Speaker 1: happens for a reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, I'll be happily happy to mentor you
Speaker 2: and guide you and help you in that respect as
Speaker 2: your publisher and as your friend. I've had several Amazon bestsellers,
Speaker 2: so I don't know how to do it. I couldn't
Speaker 2: teach a class in or anything, but I know a
Speaker 2: few tricks.
Speaker 1: Well shoote yeah, brother, anything will be a blessing, that's
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Good deal. Well, we're gonna have to wrap it up
Speaker 2: here pretty soon. They only give me two hours. We're
Speaker 2: just getting started. But before we go, would you bless
Speaker 2: us with one more creepy story from Appalachia?
Speaker 1: I sure can, brother. Here's the one I told other
Speaker 1: not said. There was an old witch lived up in
Speaker 1: the hills of Pennsylvania. And now they said that this
Speaker 1: old woman said that the funny thing was, said everybody
Speaker 1: in them heels, you know know what everybody else, you know,
Speaker 1: But they said this woman, her and her cabin. They said,
Speaker 1: it was just almost like they just appeared overnight. And
Speaker 1: said that she would you know, said you weren't mean
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But they said that she was
Speaker 1: just kind of odd acting, you know. Says she even
Speaker 1: told people she was a witch, you know, but said
Speaker 1: that they just didn't want to go around her or
Speaker 1: anything like that, you know, and said oftentimes, you know,
Speaker 1: they said she'd be standing out there, you know, in
Speaker 1: the distance, you know, just staring at him or something.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, they said, one day she went down
Speaker 1: to the general store down there and said she was
Speaker 1: telling the old general store owners. She said, I know
Speaker 1: who wants my treasure, and naturally they didn't know what
Speaker 1: in the world she's talking about, you know. She said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I know who it is. I know
Speaker 1: exactly who wants my treasure. They ain't getting it. Well,
Speaker 1: said it went on. Everything said not long after that,
Speaker 1: said she was out of picking berries one morning and
Speaker 1: said she fell off a little ledge air and heart
Speaker 1: her help. Well, today's old feller out there, you know,
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting, you know, because that's how they used to
Speaker 1: you know, feed your family and stuff. You know, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to hunt, you wanted to eat, you know,
Speaker 1: you hunted fish for it or grew it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, anyhow he was out there hunting and he's he
Speaker 1: run up on her. Well, he got her, helped her
Speaker 1: back to her cabin there. Soon as he got her back,
Speaker 1: she run him off. Said you stay away, you got
Speaker 1: one out of here. You ain't getting my treasure neither,
Speaker 1: you know. Well said that it got to where she couldn't,
Speaker 1: you know, mister her hip hop. She couldn't do nothing.
Speaker 1: So said she couldn't guard her land or whatever treasure
Speaker 1: she was talking about or anything. So they said she
Speaker 1: conjured up something that would said all the old timers
Speaker 1: stuff said. They called it old Rod said, because that's
Speaker 1: about how it looked and how it smelled. They said,
Speaker 1: this thing had bone sticking out you could see, had
Speaker 1: an old what it looked like like a brown like
Speaker 1: cloak like thing. And said it just just kind of
Speaker 1: mos it around, you know, just back and forth, you send.
Speaker 1: They walked all night and all day. And that's one
Speaker 1: thing too about that things you know. They said that
Speaker 1: it would stare at you, and said it would give
Speaker 1: you the feeling that you've been watched, you know, and
Speaker 1: said if somebody would trespass on her land, you know,
Speaker 1: or anything hunting or whatever, they said, it'd just show
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere, you know, and just charge at him,
Speaker 1: you know, run them off, you know, and everything. And
Speaker 1: so I said that eventually, you know, time in the
Speaker 1: old days, like it does with everybody called up to her.
Speaker 1: She passed on. But it was said that she didn't
Speaker 1: release him from his duties. And they say now that
Speaker 1: he roams the hills there, but not only there. She
Speaker 1: weren't there to tell him to stay in that area.
Speaker 1: So they say now the old rot roams all through
Speaker 1: the hills throughout the old apple Atian Mountains. So if
Speaker 1: any of you folks are ever out in these old mountains,
Speaker 1: were in the woods camping or just on a hike
Speaker 1: or just out on a walk, you ever get the
Speaker 1: feet and you're beingtched, maybe smell a dead animal, keep
Speaker 1: your eye out, just might be Old Rod.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a great story. You gave me. Chills there, Jared,
Speaker 2: because I've had that happen. I've been out and feel
Speaker 2: like something was out there watching me. Old rot was
Speaker 2: what was what I was experiencing. Love those stories, and uh,
Speaker 2: I'll have to have you back sometime. I want to
Speaker 2: get into more the the not only the hands and
Speaker 2: the boogers, but the witches too. My granny, even though
Speaker 2: she claimed to be a witch, she didn't like other
Speaker 2: witches because things could your your your stuff could get
Speaker 2: be witched. She'd call it. Oh yeah. She told me
Speaker 2: a story one time about somebody that their cows went dry,
Speaker 2: and uh, out in the woods, they come across an
Speaker 2: old one and that had built a fake cow and
Speaker 2: effigy out of sticks and limbs and was milking it,
Speaker 2: and milk was coming out of the stick utters that
Speaker 2: had had on it. And her husband went out there
Speaker 2: and didn't shoot the woman, but shot above her head
Speaker 2: with a shotgun, and she run off and they tore
Speaker 2: that stick cow apart, and then their cows start giving
Speaker 2: milk again. There's all kinds of weird stuff like that
Speaker 2: out there that oh yeah or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I take old dish ragness and they take
Speaker 1: an axe and hit it and milk it like an
Speaker 1: utter yep, And uh, I could do a whole segment
Speaker 1: on Witches.
Speaker 2: Witches Night. Then we have a good uh looking forward
Speaker 2: to it. Well again, Jared, thanks for being my guest
Speaker 2: here on Uh. We're actually recording this on All Saints Day,
Speaker 2: the day after Halloween. But I think the veils still
Speaker 2: thin out there. In fact, people I know that are
Speaker 2: into it things like that. They said, it's not only
Speaker 2: finn this time of year, of course, but it's getting
Speaker 2: thinner all the time. There's something going on, something about
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's very possible.
Speaker 2: The world's changing. But again, your YouTube channel, get Jared,
Speaker 2: let me start that over again. Your YouTube channel, Jared
Speaker 2: King TV. Go over there, subscribe, become a channel member
Speaker 2: like I am. You won't be disappointed. If you want
Speaker 2: to hear some stories from southern Appalachia. It's like remember
Speaker 2: the old fox Fire books. It's like that series come
Speaker 2: to life. I think I would liken it to that.
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I welcome everybody in. It's ken folk.
Speaker 1: I go live on Wednesdays and Sundays at eight pm
Speaker 1: Central Standard time, and everybody's welcome in. I treat everybody
Speaker 1: as family, and I said, we just come in. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll tell the stories sometimes they get to run in
Speaker 1: my mouth and we just end up talking the whole time.
Speaker 2: A good time to be had by one and all.
Speaker 2: Once again, thanks for being here, and I'll leave links
Speaker 2: and how to get to you in the show notes.
Speaker 2: God bless you. You have a good evening and I'll
Speaker 2: be talking to you soon.
Speaker 1: Sounds good, brother, have a good one.
Speaker 2: I'm Steve Stockton and I'll see you a little farther
Speaker 2: on down the trail. Have a good night.