Speaker 1: This episode explores theological and historical interpretations drawn from ancient
texts and traditions for discussion and research purposes.
Speaker 2: Talking about Bigfoot genesis twenty five, twenty five just popped
into my head. The first one came out red, covered
in hair head to toes, like a hairy cloak.
Speaker 1: Guys like man.
Speaker 2: That sounds pretty squatchy. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Hello, amazing people, and welcome back to the Ryan Files.
Tonight's episode explores one of the Bible's most mysterious figures, Esau,
and a provocative ideas sometimes referred to as Biblical Bigfoot.
My guest justin Doc Brown presents a deeply researched interpretation
drawn from scripture, ancient Jewish tradition, and extra Biblical texts,
examining lineage symbolism and whether ancient descriptions of wild men
may still echo into the modern world. This is an
explanatory conversation, not a declaration of fact. It's designed to
challenge assumptions and encourage deeper study of the Biblical text.
This is the Ryan Files, Let's dive in. Hello, ladies
and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Ryan Files. I'm very
excited Today on The Ryan Files, we're diving into the
darker side of the Old Testament. Justin Doc Brown, hosts
of Prometheus Lenz and author of the Epic of Esau
the birth Rate in Seed War, is here with a
bold claim. Now, Esau may have been one of the
original biblical Bigfoots. That's what he's talking about. Tied to
the serpent seed line, married to Nephelim giantesses and ancestors
to them Malachites, the so called blood liquors. Now, this
is a new angle for the show, Doc, So I
appreciate you coming on the Ryan Files, man, thank you
so much.
Speaker 2: Now I appreciate you having me let me come on
and speak to you listeners. This was a honestly something
that blindsided me. I grew up a Christian my whole life,
and knew the stories of Bigfoot and that kind of stuff.
But just one day, joking with some friends talking about Bigfoot,
Genesis twenty five, twenty five popped into my head and
it just hit me a different way that day. You know,
It's like the first one came out red, covered in
hair head to toe, like a hairy cloak. I was like, man,
that sounds pretty squatchy. What do you guys think it
kind of just sit me down this rabbit trail for
like the next two years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what, And as soon as you
just said that, it's like, Yeah, as your paradigm shifts
as you go through all this stuff in our audience,
we've we've been through just about everything, and it's it's crazy, man.
You start digging into the Bible, what you find. It's
just a lot of us weren't taught any of this
stuff growing up, you know, or the Bible wasn't like
this supernatural book that it really is. So that's that's fascinating.
So you said two years of kind of going through
this and researching it, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was honestly a two year obsession. I'm a what's
the word I'm looking for, the obsessive compulsive. It's like,
when I get a hold of something, I have to
figure out how it works to the front to the back.
And uh, Honestly, even after two years, I was still
finding stuff connecting to this guy and this whole lineage
and thing. But I was like, I got to put
a cap on this at some point.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've had Gary Wayne on the show I've seen you've
had you've had him on recently, and that's what he
said too. He's like, yeah, you keep finding stuff. He said,
You're just going to eventually have to just put a
cap on it. He said, Are you going to end
up writing a Bible.
Speaker 1: Or one of Gary Wayne's books, right? I mean, yeah,
they're They're massive. This is this is fascinating. What if
you don't mind, just so the folks in the audience
can kind of get a background the basic story of
Esau because that's who we're going to be talking about
lots to day. So if you don't mind, just let's
drop that as kind of like the background story. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, well for those that's not familiar, I guess a
good baseline for Esau is uh And going back, like
I said, I've been to church my whole life and
heard these stories. It's just like you mentioned, when you
get this new set of glasses, you look at this
scripture a whole new way. But he's honestly one of
the most enigmatic characters of the Bible. And you know,
as far as you know Churchianity goes, you know, I
was taught that this guy come this hairy guy comes
out and the hairiness was just referring to his beard.
He had a good beard, you know, or something like that.
They really downplayed it. But he's born his brother's you know,
clutching his heel. That was a noteworthy But then it
fasts forwards to his adulthood and it says just one
day he comes in from the field exhausted, trades his
birthright to his younger brother. And for those that's not
for me, the birthright is basically like the inheritance. So
it's like modern context. You know, your father's Donald, you're
the eldest son, You're gonna be next in line to
inherit the billions of the family business. I mean, the
keys to the kingdom are yours. But this guy just
comes in from the field exhausted one day and gives
it all away for a bowl of stinking red stew.
And so immediately, even as a kid, I was like,
that makes absolutely no sense to me. And then you
have the whole famous story of the deception of the
blessing that's supposedly that Jacob's on his death bed. I'm sorry,
Isaac is on his deathbed and wants to bless his son,
so he calls in Esau tells him to go out
on a hunt one more time, because he was known
as the Mighty Hunter. He wanted to taste his game
one last time and that he would give him his blessing.
And basically, in ancient times, this was like the lawyer's office.
You know, when you go to sign your will. When
you go to the father, he gives his sign of approval,
his blessing. That's like the lawyer's stamp. It's official. But
Rebecca is sitting outside and hears this. So when Esau leaves,
he tells his brother, younger brother, Jacob, hey, go kill
a goat, bring it to me. I will prepare a
delicious meal for your father, and you will pretend to
be your brother and get the blessing. And Jacob's like, no, mother.
He says, I'm a smooth man, So that even speaks
to that. The hairiness right, And a lot of people
want to say, oh, it was a good beard, or
it's hyperbole, it was poetic language. No, this guy was
so hairy that that the goat's skin from the goat
they killed, They took the skin and wrapped it around
him like a blanket so his blind father would reach
up and feel him and think he was Esau. So
this guy was literally that hairy, and so Jacob steals
the birthright. Esau comes back, he's pissed off because he's
been screwed out of his birthright and threatens to kill
his brother, and his brother has to run off to
the land of Haran for a few years to his
brother's wrath subsides. And that's honestly the only narrative that
you get of this guy. But after this you get
his genealogies. But of course a lot of us skip,
you know, skip those because it's kind of boring. You
know this one, but got, but got, but goot, but got.
But you do get his lineage and you get to
see he took three wives, and who came from his loins,
and the different people groups and tribes that stemmed from Esol.
But that's basically all you get. And so a lot
of the stories are broken and fragmented and leaves you guessing,
you know, why would he trade for the bull's soup,
what's so special about the soup? Why did it mention
that his brother come out holding his heel? Just all
these different things that it leaves the impression to me anyways,
that we're missing a lot of context to the story.
And that's what sent me diving and looking for all
this extra stuff. And you find it, but it's all
in the extra biblical books, Lewis Ginsburg, Legends of the Jews,
the Midrashes, and the Targums. It's honestly like someone took
the story of Esau and busted it with a hammer
into a thousand pieces and scattered it. And so I'm
one of those Christians that tell people like Mike Kaiser
always says, you know, something doesn't have to be divine
inspired to be important for historical and cultural contexts. And
I think that is why a lot of the stuff
in the Bible is so vague, because they didn't want
to theoretically beat a dead horse. So when they were
writing Genesis six, you know, to us, you know, the
sons of God came down bred with the daughters of
men and made Nepheloin giants, and then boom, it just
skips and carries on, you know, business as usual, and
we're like, whoa, yeah, that was pretty important. I want
some more context on that. But the writers at that
time wasn't thinking of us thousands of years later they
were thinking about the people of that time and they
were like, we don't need to beat a dead horse.
We have the scroll of Enoch. Everybody knows this story.
It's well covered, so we don't have to beat it
to death. And I think that's the same thing with
this guy Esaw, because you had all these other scrolls
circulating that told the full story of this guy.
Speaker 1: Right right. That's actually that's fascinating because you know, we
grow up, you grow up in church and remember the
flannel graphs, Remember the flannel graphs, you know, and they
throw up a flannel of Esau and whatnot. That's you got,
just you know, this weird story about the soup number
one and then the birthrate thing, and you know, covering
his arm with the fur, and I mean you can
take that at face value, I guess, but like it
does seem like maybe maybe there's a little bit more
to the story. And once again, you know, talking about
these extra biblical texts, there's a lot of different things
that have come up, especially on this program, where going
back to Enoch or Joshua or whatever kind of fills
in some of the details. And again we're not saying
it's scripture you know, divine scripture or whatnot. But I
agree with what you said about Michael Heiser saying, you know, yeah,
you can certainly use it though for context, especially like
you said, and back in you know, back in the day,
like everybody knew this is recent history. You know, giants
are running around and whatnot. They lived it, you know,
it's in their family stories. But here we are, you know,
in twenty twenty five, and you know, albeit it is
around us, it's just different. So so where'd you start
out the story?
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I use this story to
give people some context. I was like, well, imagine if
some kind of great cataclysm happens and varies America under
hundreds of feet of soot and ash and soil whatever,
and thousands of years later, this archaeologist comes and he's digging,
and he finds this book and this big old book,
and it's called The Histories of America, and he opens
it up and gets to reading. But as he keeps
digging around him, he finds a Cosmopolitan magazine, he finds
a Sports Illustrated, he finds just all these different magazines.
I hope that that archaeologist doesn't take the viewpoint of
the modern Christian, because the modern Christian in that scenario
would have been like, no, we have the Histories of America.
We don't need all this other stuff. This other stuff
is not important. Well, no, I mean the Histories of America.
That might be a great book with a lot of
good details in it, but I guarantee you there's going
to be a lot of stuff in those magazines that
fills in gaps and explains the culture of the people
of the time, and it influenced the writing of that
Histories of America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So all right, we're on the same
board with that. Let's get into biblical Bigfoot. You start
digging into the story, did you have a notion out
the gate or is this something that came to you
as you start studying it as far as like this
idea of biblical Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it honestly just blindsided me. Like I said,
I was having a conversation with some friends and the
Genesis twenty five twenty five popped up and I was like, man,
it sounds like a really squatchy dude. And some people
call it the Holy Spirit, some people call it synchronicity.
I mean the universe, you know, whatever you want to
put to it, but something which I believe the Holy
Spirit give me breadcrumb trails. And one thing led to
the other, and it led to this, and then my
curiosity was piqued and I had to see it to
the end. But it was maybe a week after that
comment that I had made to and friends. I had
Gary Wayne on the show and we were going over
the epic of Gilgamesh and I had read or not.
I had heard that story and knew the overall story,
but I hadn't actually read the thing. So I was
reading it, taking notes and studying it. And then I
bumped into this guy named Inky Doo, just like Esau.
He was known as the Mighty Hunter, and he was
covered in hair from head to toe like a Harry Cloak,
just like Esau. And he battles this great giant Gilgamesh,
who's depicted so big. He's holding a fully mained lion
like a little kiddy cat. And I was like, man,
this dude, here's another one of these Harry dudes. There's
another Sasquatch. And it was maybe a week, maybe two
at most. I had a guest on and we were
going over the Book of Jasher. And in the Book
of Jasher, it says that Nimrod was the mighty hunter
and that Esau was the mighty hunter. And it said
that Nimrod had built up jealousy and envy and hatred
toward Esau all of his days. And it words it
as though Nimrod is hunting this beast of a man,
like an animal hunting him. And it says that he
goes out on this hunting party and he splits him
off into two and one group goes one way, and
him and two of his gibbore went with him. And
this word gibore or gibl riim in the plural, is
the same word used to describe the Nephelom giants throughout
the text. It's not a catch all term, you know,
not every time that word is used. It's I don't
believe it's talking about a giant. But the context is key.
And in this story it says that Esau sees them coming,
but he hides itself, and it says at the opportune time,
he springs forward, takes his sword, and he cuts off
the head of Nimrod, and then he the other two
gibor to the death. And kills them both, and it
says the hunting party that heard the commotion comes running,
but it says Esau takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments,
and it says, these are the garments to which nisa,
I'm sorry. These are the garments that Nimrod was able
to prevail over all the nations. So it attributes all
of his power and greatness to these garments. It's kind
of like a crown. So it says that he takes
these garments and then he rushes back home and that
he hides the garments in his tent, but then he
goes to his brother Jacob's tent, and it picks up
perfectly with the Genesis story of the trading of the birthright,
because it says he just came in from the field exhausted. Yeah,
he was exhausted, all right. He just fought three giants
to the death and killed the king Nimrod. Yeah, you know,
it's modern context. You just killed the president, the FBI,
the CIA, all those three letter agencies are after you. You're
on the run, and you probably sustained some life threatening
injuries in this exchange. So this trading of the birth
right I think and the red stew is allegorical for
care for me, hide me, give me sustenance, sew me up,
and to me, it makes perfect sense not only with
the context of that story flowing, but even the words
and what it's said in that exchange in Genesis, because
in Genesis, when you read it with this context, you
can see the what's the word I'm looking for the
urgency of this conversation, because when you read it without
that context, it's like he comes in, I asks for
the food. His brother's like, yeah, I'll give it to
you if you trade me the birth right. And then
he's like, no, promise me, you know, basically, don't be
tricking me or fool of me. Hey, promise me you're
gonna do this thing. And then he saw a response
with what use is a birthright to me? When I
am dead? Take it? So reading that without that context,
you're like, ah, that's pretty melodramatic. You know, what use
is it if I'm dead? Take it? But when you
add in this book of jash Er, yeah, he killed
the king, he's on the run, probably bleeding out, and
his brother's taking advantage of the situation. He knows he's desperate.
He's like, yeah, I'll take care of you and hide you,
but you're gonna trade me your birthright. He's like fine, no, no, no, no,
promise me. And then he's like, dude, what use is
it when I'm dead?
Speaker 1: Help me?
Speaker 2: And so that's honestly the first thing that got me started,
and I was like, Okay, I have to find out
the rest of this guy's story. And my very first
question was, and what is up with these garments?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: What are these garments?
Speaker 1: Right? Right? Right? Let me ask you a couple of
questions before we get into the garments, because yeah, I
need to know what the garments are. Nimrod. We know
all about Nimrod from the Bible, but there's a lot
of people that believe that Nimrod and Gelgabesh are the
same dude, Is that something that you believe in your research?
Speaker 2: You have come to believe, Yes, And I believe when
reading that story, they mirror each other almost perfectly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the same wad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you have these two mighty men battling out
and fighting for supremacy, and I think that it's basically
a retelling of the same story, but through different cultural lenses,
because whoever tells the story is going to spend it
in their favor. I mean, we know that even with
the wars and history today, you know, it tells you
the victors, right the histories. So I think that these
guys really did meet and they really did battle it
out to the death. But the Northern people, the Assyrians
and the Babylonians, whatever kind of label you want to
put on them, spun it to where their guy is
the victor and wins. Where then you have the Jewish
people the Semites that tell the same story, but where
their guy wins. I think there's just too many parallels
with these two stories to be a coincidence, and.
Speaker 1: Therefore Incadu would also be Esau.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it really opened your eyes to the two
thousand and three finding of allegedly finding Gilgamesh's tomb by
the Euphrates. But anyway, so that set you on the
trail obviously, and just hearing you tell that story of yeah,
it really doesn't make any context contextual sense. Oh yeah, dude,
here's my birthrate. Fine, just give me some soup. But
whenever you get the context, it's like, okay, now I
get it, you know, now I get it. So let's
move forward. That set you on the trail. What was next?
Speaker 2: Yea, as far as like chronologically following my journey through
this was? Yeah, what's these garments? What's so special about
these garments that it says that these were the reason
that Nimrod was able to prevail over all the nations?
And even though he just had this battle, probably you know,
bleeding out or whatever, and then he's got a whole
army coming after him. Most of us would have been
freaked out and holding our guts in and running home.
But now he takes the time to steal those garments,
and then not only that, he takes the time to
hide them in his tent before going to seek his
life saving care. So I was like, man, these have
to be important. What is up with these? So I
went to searching through, like I said, the book of Jashure,
the Midrash, the Targum's Ginsburg, legends of the Jews. And
we can debate, I won't say this out front. We
can debate all day long if the things in these books,
in these legends are right, wrong or indifferent, but we
cannot debate that this is what they believed, and it
influenced their thoughts, it influenced their writings and all these things.
So we have to take these stories into consideration. In
the very least. You don't have to believe them or
think them to be historically accurate, but the story itself.
And I love how Mike Kiser laid this out, and
he said, not saying the Bible's fake, he said, but
you need to read your Bible as though it is
a fantasy novel. That way, your filters, your preconceived notions,
your reality, what you think is and is not, is gone,
and you just accept it for what it is and
as it comes, and it helps to unravel the story.
But in the Book of Joshure, it's I kept reading.
It's like they would they knew that we'd be asking
this question, because it goes into the context of the
garments after this, and it says that basically, these were
the supernatural garments from the Garden of God that was
given to Adam and Eve as their coverings, and this
was the birthright. When you hear them talking about the birthright,
the birthright in this Abrahamic line, they're referring to the garments.
According to the legends, and it says that this was
passed kind of like a I'm a Southern man, so
about the only context I got is like your granddad's
old rifle. It gets passed down to the eldest son,
and it's a family heirloom, you know. I mean, it's
it's important. That's what these garments were. And it traces
them and tracks them, you know. It goes from Adam,
it goes to Enoch, to Matthuselah, then to Noah, and
it says that Noah has them coming over the flood
and that once he gets off of the flood or
off the boat from the flood, that the garments then
changes hands and goes to Ham. That says that in
Ham's going out, that Ham steals the garments. He was
the youngest son. He wasn't supposed to have them, so
he stole them. And I was like, Okay, well, now
I have to go back to Genesis and look at
that garden event again and see if I can see
these garments like they're talking about. And when you read that,
I was always taught that this is basically a foreshadowing
of Christ, that the first sin happened, something had to die,
to cover their sin, just as Christ dies and covers
our sins. And that's a beautiful picture and theologically makes sense.
But that's just not in the scripture. That's an interpretation.
And the only thing that says is when you go
to the Hebrew that he gave to them a connone
and a Connonit is translated many times in the Bible
to tunic, so it's just saying he give them a
tunic to cover their nakedness. And when I got to
looking through there in the Legends of the Jews, because
I was actually forming this hypothesis in my head, and
I was like, okay, when we go to Ezekiel twenty eight,
this is a condemnation to the King of Tire. But
halfway through the wording changes and he's no longer talking
to this king. He's talking to the spiritual entity behind
the king, and this is the Hacitan, cosh, the serpent.
And this is a pretty much a universal thing. I mean,
there's not I've not heard many people, you know, say
say that this is not who this is talking about.
But in there it says you were in the garden
of God. Every precious stone was your covering. This is
barrel Onyx, Topaz Jasper and names all these stones. The
Masoretic texts lists nine, but the septuagen lists twelve. This
is a polaroid picture of the priestly ephod So it's
painting Satan in a priestly role, and then on down,
just maybe two lines down, it removes all doubt because
it says you profaned your sanctuaries. So not only is
it painting him in his in this priestly role, it's
even saying he had a sanctuary and that he profaned it.
And in the legend of the Jews, it says that
Adam and Eve's coverings were the coverings of the nakash.
And I was like, well, if we go by Ezekiel
twenty eight, his coverings was the priestley e fought. So
when Satan done what he done and tried to basically
overthrow and deceive his younger brother, if you look at
it in a family aspect, I love how Timothy Alberino
laid that out in his book Birthright. The Divine raises
the elder brother, we're the younger brother. And when he
done that, he was cast down and he was demoted.
His position was taken away. His priestly garments were taken
from him and given to his younger brother. And I
think this was the kingship and priesthood of the dominion
of Earth, and I think that was the the context
of these garments. And once again one of these stories
that never made sense to me was the uncovering of
Noah's nakedness. Now, when I was looking trying to figure
out what these garments were, when it got to this section,
it says that Ham got them because he stole them
and he was going out. Well, thanks to Mike Heiser
and some of these really big brain guys, I found
out that, you know, that confusing story, just like the
birthright trading. Ham comes in his father's pissed drunk, passed
out naked in the floor, and he either looks at
him too long or makes us a smirky comment about him,
and his father curses his genealogies. And I was always like, ay, gosh,
that's harsh. Man. Have I been at school all day
and I come home my dad's pissed, drunk, passed out
naked in the floor. I mean, that ain't my fault,
that's his, you know. And he never even cursed Ham.
He cursed his firstborn son, Canaan, who wasn't even born
yet if you read the story chronologically. So Mike Kaiser
brought to my attention that phrase, the uncovering of thy
father's nakedness. Well, if you let scripture interpret scripture, when
you go to Leviticus, I think it's chapter seventeen, it says,
to sleep with thy father's wife is to uncover thy
father's nakedness, for it is his nakedness. And I was like, WHOA.
So this was basically an active rebellion in the ancient
world of one of the sons trying to take over
the household. And once again, if you let scripture interpret scripture,
you see this many times. If you go to Absalom,
he overthrows David and runs him out of the king. Well,
what's the first thing he does. He pitches a tent
on David's house and goes into all of David's concubines
in the sight of all of Israel. If you go
to Ruben, Ruben did the same thing to usurpredominance of
the household. He slept with his father's concubines as well.
So this is basically how you flexed on the old
man back in the day. And it says that he
uncovered his father's nakedness. And I say this in the book,
it's kind of a and I say it, it's my
creative spin or take on the whole thing that after
he does the deed, he comes out and he tells
his brothers what he's done, and he's like, hey, I
just did this deed. Pops is a drunk, he's depressed,
he's no longer fit to rule. I just did this deed.
If you guys go in and do the same thing,
he can't take all three of us, and we'll divide
the world amongst ourselves, and the world is our oyster.
What do you guys say? Well, Genesis says they refuse
the rebellion, and it says they take a garment and
walk backwards and cover their father's nakedness. But when you
go to the Hebrew, the original language, it doesn't say
they took a garment. It has a definite, definite article
assigned to it. It says they took the garment, placed
it on their shoulders, and walk backwards to cover their
father's naked And so I was like, is this the
supernatural garments from the Garden of God, according to the
chronology that they were in possession of at the time,
according to the stories that Ham stole in his going out,
and it even makes sense theologically if this was the
symbol of kingship and priesthood. It's, you know, symbolically the crown.
How fitting would it be if you were trying to
usurp the household and steal the crown for your brothers
to take that crown and place it back upon the
lea of the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, very very fascinating, doc. Yeah wow, Yeah, that
makes a lot of sense. It's so funny these little
things that you just kind of gloss over because it
doesn't really make sense, and you're making sense of it,
you're making the connections. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's honestly got me excited to open my
Bible back up and reread these things to fill in
the missing pieces.
Speaker 1: So how did these garments end up in the hands
of Nimrod?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my next question because in the story
of Jashuer, it says that when Ham steals them and
it's going out, he hides them, and it says that
in his late age he ends up passing them to Cush,
his son, and it says that Kush hides them, and
it says that in his older age. It says that
Nimrod was the child of Kush's old age, whom he
loved exceedingly, and that at the coming of age, when
Nimrod turned twenty years old, Cush gave him the garments.
And it says that at that age, at twenty, when
Nimrod put on the garments, he became a gible rim.
So this answers that question in Genesis that a lot
of people in our circles kind of gravitate toward because
they notice it doesn't say Nimrod was born a gibble rim.
This says he becomes a gilblerim. And according to the
Book of Jeshuar attributed to these garments and the legends.
According to Ginsburg, the belief was that the wire of
these garments, it was the symbol of kingship and priesthood
and dominion. But at the same time it made the
animals and the birds of the air submissive to the
because he's like Adam, you know, all the animals bowed
before him. He got to name them because he had
dominion over them. All, he was the king, and so
it says the wire of these that all of creation
would bow and be subservient to it. And they said
that is how Noah got all the animals on the boat,
because he had the garments and they listened to him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so but we see the garments many times
through out scripture. It's just we're not looking for it.
And it's kind of like that that red Honda Civic.
You know, you never noticed the red Honda Civic till
you buy one, and then you see them everywhere. So
I got to look, and I was like, well, where
else do we see these garments? Because I had to
follow the trail, and we see it in the Book
of Jeshure. Esaw gets them. It says he hides them
in his tent. Then at the trading of the birthright
the blessing, when she wrapped the goats fur around him.
Once again, it's this little caveat that we look over.
But if you read that story again, it's like the
cherry on top for the deception. It says that Rebecca
goes into Esauce tent and takes his special garment and
places it upon Jacob Okay, so she went and stole
the supernatural garments from the Garden of God out of
e sauce tint that he hid and put it upon Jacob.
And then if we follow it just chronologically, Jacob his
name has later changed to Israel, and he has twelve sons.
And when it comes to Jake or Joseph, what does
it say. It says, Joseph was the child of Israel's
old age, whom he loved exceedingly. And what did he do.
He bestowed upon him a what a co of many colors.
So if we go back to Ezekiel twenty eight barrel
onyx topaz jash for all these multicolored stones, it said
in gold was your settings, Yeah, that coat would be
very multicolored. And then when he puts them on, what happens?
All kinds of supernatural stuff starts happening. He starts getting
prophetic dreams. And what does he do. He goes to
his brothers and he says, brothers, the stars of heaven,
which was you know, symbolic according to job for the
angelic host. He said, the stars of heaven bow before me,
the beasts of the field, and the wheat of the
field bow before me, And you. My brothers bow before
me and serve me, and they were like, hell, now
this guy gotta go. And there's where they get rid
of it and traded him into slavery. And it says
he doesn't say if they if the garment completely off
of him, or they took a piece, but it does
say that they took that coat or a piece of
that coat, and they soaked it in blood and brought
it back to Jacob slash Israel and says, a wild
beast of the field tore up your son. That this
is all that's left. And I think we see him
again with Elisha Elijah and Elijah. Well, Elijah is taken
up into the whirlwind, but what remains his mantle, okay,
and once again the Hebrew his canonet, and what happens
Elijah picks it up. He walks over to the Jordan,
and he smacks the cloak onto the water and the
water's part and make a dry piece of land for
him to cross the Jordan. I mean, could those have
been the garments? I mean, I think so. It's got
the characteristics of it. But uh, as far as Joseph,
are you familiar with David Roll?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit a little bit.
Speaker 2: I've had him on the show and we had a
we've done a show on Joseph and you can even
back those garments up in archaeology. And he told me this,
and it really blew my mind. In the Bible, it
talks about this city called ramp the city of Ramses.
He said that was the later name of the town.
He said it was originally called Avarus. And they knew
through the histories and the archaeology that this was a
Semite settlement. So semite, that's just another word for you know,
Middle Eastern Jewish, uh, you know, whatever terminology you want
to put to it. But it was a known Semite settlement.
And it said in the center of the town was
this huge house and it had a pyramid, a small one.
It wasn't like the Great Pyramids, but a pyramid complex
in the back. And so they were like, well, this
had to be a high government official or somebody for
it to be in the center of town the size
that it's in and this pyramid temple. And when they
dug it up, it was empty, but they found pieces
of what they thought was either pottery or a statue,
but they said they believed it was intentionally beaten and
busted up and broken, but they gathered the pieces and
put it together, and you can google search this. It
had yellow skin, and the Egyptians didn't paint their statues
and their people with yellow skin. That was a semite thing.
The hair was blood red. Once again, that's not an
Egyptian thing. That's a Semite thing. And then esau he
was born covered in red hair. That was like a
family characteristic. And then it said over the shoulder of
the person was a coat of many colors. So he
believed that to be Joseph. And it goes along with
the biblical narrative that he become, you know, second in
command under Pharaoh, invited his kin folk down to Egypt
to live dearing the famine. This was that settlement. And
David said, and why was the tomb empty? He says, well,
the Bible tells us that when Moses left with the Israelites,
they gathered up the bones of Joseph and took it
with them. So I mean, it's even backed up, you know,
with with archaeology. But the only other time that I
am aware of that the last time that these show up,
and I think this is beautiful. Man I think you'll
really appreciate this when you go into the Jewish beliefs.
Of course they rejected, you know, Jesus as the Messiah,
but they have the belief in two messiahs, and one
of them is called Messiah yet being Joseph, and they're
talking about Joseph. And then this new coming Messiah is
supposed to be like the conquering king. And that's why
they didn't believe it was Jesus, because Jesus didn't free
him from the Romans. So with that context, when you
read the Book of Revelation, it says that when Christ
comes back, it says that he's on this white horse,
conquering king with a sword. But then it talks about
this this garment that's on him. It describes this garment
and its beauty, and it says on the thigh it
is written king of Kings, Lord of lords, and that
blood is stained the garments all the way up to
the bridle. I think this is another polaroid picture showing
God's people. Hey, you believe in this Josiah Ben Joseph,
he had the the kingship and symbol of priesthood the
garments and they were soaked in blood and given back
to Israel. Well, here is your conquering king coming back
with those garments soaked in blood, just like the one
that you believe in Yosiah ben Josef.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that's powerful man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful in it. Yeah, full circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow. But it's gonna take me a second to
get my head wrapped around that is. That's fascinating. That's fascinating, doc. Yeah,
this this this garment, uh wow. Just to be able
to track it like that throughout the Bible. And again,
this is stuff that you wouldn't necessarily be able to
connect the dots on unless you had some you know,
contextual text to kind of uh fill in the story. Yeah.
Fascinating and it does.
Speaker 2: It just bills it in. And that's what I tell people, uh,
read these texts, because I mean, us modernors, we tend
to forget that there was no Bible floating around during
this time. You had scrolls and oral traditions and stories
and legends. So you know, you had hundreds of these
scrolls floating around and everybody was reading them and well
aware of them. And it wasn't until they tried to
gather Christianity, you know, as a group religion and put
it under the Roman banner to unite all the people
that they decided to compile them, and some of them
didn't make the cut for whatever reason. But that's why
so many things in your Bible is so ambiguous, because
they didn't go into great detail because there was another
scroll or story that told that story in full.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, fascinating. Well let's get back to U for
a second now. Okay, so we know that this garment
that he stole from Memrod was powerful, ends up going
to his brother. But where does Esau go after the
birthrate has been given to his brother? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And here, honestly when not only because people was like,
well he traded the birth right already, I'm like, well yeah,
but it was like a deathbed confession. You know, you
really didn't mean it, and you'll say whatever you need
to say to be saved. So you know, you're on
the run from the law, you're bleeding out, and the
one person that's there that can help you, they're demanding
some things from you. Yeah, you're going to promise from
the moon, right, just save me. So I think it
was kind of like he had his fingers crossed behind
his back, you know, because a lot of people want
to say, especially in Mardern Church, how I was taught
that Esau was just a very carnal man. He had
no respect for the birthright. He cared not for the
birthright and all these things that he desired, the flesh,
the things in the now. He never thought about the future,
very carnal minded. But I tell people, no, he obviously
wanted that birthright and thought highly of it. Because when
he goes in there and gets the blessing, like I
talked about the lawyer's stamp, when Esau comes back, he's like, arise,
my father, eat your meal and give me my blessing.
He's like, I already gave you your blessing. He's like, no,
you didn't, father. And then when they realized the fix
was in, he was enraged. No only enraged, he was sorrowful.
It says that he cries and begs, father, please, I'm
the eldest. Do you not have a half of the inheritance?
I mean, can you give me anything? He's like no,
you know something, what's done is done, and he's like,
will kill Jacob. He says his name suits him right.
The supplanter has stolen my birthright. And when you go
into Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, it gives a little
bit more detail, and it says that during this exchange
when he threatens to kill his brother, he says, I
will kill my brother Jacob with neither sword nor bow.
He said, I will bite his neck and drain him
of his blood until he is dead. So it's got
like this vamporistic and kind of feel to it. But
after this happens, Esau, in my opinion, goes into full rebellion.
It's like he gives the middle finger to Dad and
the whole family. He plays nice when Jacob comes back,
you know, but it's just you know, for appearances, I believe.
But he takes three wives at this time, and two
of them were Whoorites and the other one was a Heavite. Well,
thanks to people like Gary Wayne that dove through those
boring genealogies that we find out that those two clans
were known Nephilim giant clans. And one of his father
in laws is named Sier. And when you go into
the etymology of that word, that means Harry, and it
says that he reigns from a land where Mount Sier
is So here you have these this giant clan and
their name implies hairiness. So you basically, in my opinion,
have a clan of feral giants, and Esau marries into
them and breeds with them. So you take this, this
feral giant clan leading breeding with this, you already big
hairy man known as Esau. I mean, you've got a
strong likelihood for some really strange pups there, folks. And
when you follow that lineage, here is where a Malik
comes from, and he bursts the Amalekite race. And as
you had mentioned at the beginning of the show, when
you do the etymology, that word that means the blood liquors.
So you have this vamporistic feel once again. And we
know according to scripture, you don't even have to go
to extra biblical stuff. But during their exodus wanderings God's people,
their first encounter with an outside group was the Amalekites,
and it says that they tor them in I'm gonna
do all this stuff for a while, and then finally
it comes to a head and they have to have
a battle. But this is that famous battle that we
know of where most has to stand on top of
a mountain and hold the staff, the supernatural you know
staff that he parted the Red Sea with and brought
all the plagues on. And it said that only when
he held the staff in the air above his head
was Israel able to prevail over the Amalekites, and that
when he would tire and lower the staff, they would
start to lose. So it shows that it took supernatural
aid to conquer this tribe. And during their wilderness wanderings,
that's when you get all their rules, their laws and regulations. Well,
you don't get rules, laws, regulations unless those said things
are being done right. So I think it's pretty telling
of the people that they were encountering and they were
starting to imitate them, so God had to step in
and say no, no, no, no, you can't do this. So
I think all those laws and regulations, if we look
at them, I think it's describing this Amalekite race. So
if we look at some of those, it says, no
longer will you drink the blood, the power the life
forces in the blood. Well, their name means blood liquors, folks.
I mean that's a pretty tell tale to me. And
then it says, no longer will you sacrifice to Harry
Goat demons. You know that they land rain from Mount Sierra,
means Harry Harry Farrell giants, So would it be out
of the question that they would call them Harry Goat demons.
And then the Book of Isaiah talks about them. But
you got to go to the septuagen the Greek. It
says the satyrs the wild men will dance in the
wilderness and in the desolate cities. So it's talking about
these same people again, I believe. But it says you
will no longer pass your children through the fires of Molek.
We knew they were sacrificing children. It says you will
not seek out necromancers or sorcerers. According to the writings
of Rashi and some of these others, we know that
they were sorcerers. Rashi even his writings, he'd done a
commentary on the targets and all this stuff, and he
says this outright and his writings that they were known
sorcerers and shape shifters. And this is why this is
the only people group out of all the giant clans
that God commanded Joshua and Caleb to exterminate. This is
the only tribe that he says, kill every man, woman, child,
and animal. Wow, because they were known shape shifters and
they would shift into animals to evade capture. I think
that's what we're looking at here is these you know,
if you take modern context, the descriptors of these guys,
it's what we would call a bigfoot today, right, without
question right and his and going back to the third wife,
that makes it interesting. He goes to Ishmael on this
one and that's his uncle, and he takes his daughter
for bride. And if you go to the genealogy, is
that that's where you get all of your Muslim people
groups and all the people that basically are thorns in
the side of God's people and wants God's people eliminated
off the face of the earth. And when we get hurt,
we want to go to someone that sympathizes with us.
He had nobody better to go to than Ismael. And
for the people that's not familiar with him. Ishmael was
Abraham's first son, but with Hagar, and according to Gary
Wayne's genealogies and research, she was from the Pharaoh. She
was Pharaoh's daughter, so she was an Egyptian princess, and
she was from the dragon court. Like I said, right wrong,
we're indifferent. This is what they believed, that she was
of the serpent seed and bred with her and produced Ishmael.
So then miraculously God opens Sarah's womb and here comes Isaac.
Isaac gets the birthright, even though culturally and by the
law that she'ld have went to Ishmael. He was the
eldest born. So Esau would have found nobody better to
sympathize with his situation because they both were the eldest
born son and screwed out of their birthright. So you
can imagine what those family reunions and campfires were like.
For animosity is sewn there for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure. You know one thing that comes up again
and again and again, Doc, and you can't deny it,
And it's all the way through modern day is blood lines, bloodlines,
blood lines, blood lines. It sounds like Esau is instrumental
in that, at least in part. We certainly know that
Nimrod's bloodline is a big deal to this day in
different societies and whatnot. But ESA's bloodline, with the three wives,
you're getting some very interesting offspring that are problematic to
say the least throughout the Bible. And then does that
continue in some way, shape or form into you know,
modern day.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's on your news when you
turn it on today. You know they're still fighting over Israel,
and this is the two bloodlines fighting it over their inheritance.
One believes they were screwed out of their birth right
and they're the rightful errors and the ones that to
rule and have the possessions and the inheritance. So, I mean,
you see it today on the news. It's still going on.
But here's where it gets really controversial.
Speaker 1: Right, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: When I was, yeah, I'm not want to put a
danger label on this one, but it is what it is.
I mean, I read the scriptures, I let the scriptures
say what it says, and I leave my I try
my best to leave my preconceived notions and thoughts and
dogma at the door. So when I was reading this,
it started talking about serpent seed. And so when you
go into Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, once again, the
targums and midrashes, they come right out and just say
that Esau was of the serpent seed. It says that
they were fighting in the womb who was going to
come out first, and that Esau threatened to kill Rebecca
in the birthing process if Jacob didn't allow him to
go first. So Jacob just let him go first to
save his mother. And then it also says when he's
born that he had a serpent's branding on his body,
and it says that Jacob had a guardian angel. His
guardian angel was Michael, but said Esau also had a
guardian angel and his guardian angel was Samai l And
for those that's not familiar with the Jewish legends and traditions,
this is the believed name of the Nakash the Hasatan
before the fall, and he was known as the Angel
of Death, the viper of God. And while she was pregnant,
it says that when she would walk by a house
that was in service to Yahweh, that Jacob would stir
with excitement, but when she would walk by a house
in service to a pagan deity, that Esau would stir
with excitement, and that she was having so much travail
in her labor where they were fighting in the womb,
that she started asking some of the other women was
this normal. Did they experience this kind of pain and suffering?
And they all said no. But in the text it
says that they told her, but we have heard of
one woman that had the same birthing in Travail that
you were having, and that was Nimrod's mother. And if
we go back to Genesis, it says that she's struggling
with her labor, she's in constant pain, and that she's
so worried that she, you know, prays to God and asks,
you know what's going on here? And if we remember,
it says that Gabriel, the heavenly messenger, shows up and
tells her what two nations, two peoples are in your womb.
They struggle together within the womb. There will be enmity
between the two. It says, one will be stronger than
the other, but the younger will rule over the older.
So this will be all kinds of red flags to
the ancient reader. And you've got to remember, folks, there
was no chapters. These were scrolls, So you had the
scroll of Genesis, and this was just a few paragraphs
down from the incident in the garden. So all the
stuff that happened in the garden is fresh on this
reader's mind. It was just a few paragraphs ago. Well,
what happens if we look at the curses from garden?
It says, I will put enmity between her seed and
thy seed, the serpent, so you can dance around it
and put all your you know, theology and what you
think around all this stuff. But it says, outright, she
has a seed, he has a seed, and that they
would be war and enmity between the two. And then
he says one will bruise one's head, but the other
will bruise the other's. What yo, hell? So a few
paragraphs down we have this birth of these twins. He says,
two nations, two peoples are in your womb. How can
you have two nations and two peoples in one womb?
He says, there will be at war at enmity with
one another. And then the birth happens, and it says,
first one came out red, covered in hair from head
to toe, like a Harry cloak, looking just like a
fertility god of the people of the time. All the
fertility gods were covered in here there were wild men.
But it says when he came out, he had to
his foot, had to push on Jacob's head to exit,
bruising the head, and then Jacob clutching the hill, bruising
the hill. There's no way around it. This is a
polaroid picture of Genesis three fifteen, just a few paragraphs
down from that cursing, Yeah right, wrong or indifferent. The
people at that time reading that text would immediately associated
Esau with the seed of the Serpent.
Speaker 1: Wow. What a connection, man, what a connection?
Speaker 2: Blew my mind?
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, this is fascinating stuff. Man, Golly, we could
talk about this for hours. Oh yeah, so you get
these huh do you think that Esau being born before
the offspring with the amalekits and all that, do you think,
you know, seed of the Serpent? Do you believe that
he had any kind of abilities, powers or whatnot, you know,
above and beyond just normal human ones. And the reason
why I asked that is because he hid from Nemrod,
you know, when they were hunting him and he just
miraculously hid. And that's the one thing that you find
in modern day bigfoot lore is have this in dimensionality, cloaking,
mobility or whatever. Just wonder if that is in any way,
shape or form a connection.
Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, it could very well be.
The possibility is there. But another thing too that I
think that points to the bigfoot idea was when they
wrapped up Jacob in that goat's fur, right, and anybody
that's ever felt or petted a goat man. That hair
is thick, it's oily, it's cores, it's rough. You're not
gonna mistake that for a hairy person's harm. I'm sorry,
there's no way around that. I mean, that's beastly, that's sasquatchy. Yeah,
but it says when he comes in and starts talking
to his father, he replies with I hear my son, Jacob,
but I feel my son Esau. But he says, but
you smell of the field. Therefore I know you are
my son Esau. And you get all these stories about
phantom smells and stenches with the sasquatch right.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's all connected. Man. Along the way, I'm just
curious you start coming out with these thoughts and ideas.
You're talking to your buddies, you know, Hey, hey, Jim,
I got an idea. What do you think of this?
You know, going to church and people hearing you talking
about this stuff. Along the way, was there any kind
of price you had to pay for having these thoughts
and writing them down and belief system that you know
your research has led you to.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. And I knew it when when I when
I found all this stuff and I was writing the book,
especially when it comes to the serpent seed, I was like, dude,
this is a hot button topic and it's very controversial.
People get I don't know what it is about it.
I mean, it's spiritual warfare associated with it, man, because
if you think about it, the anti Christ, right that
that's the seed of the serpent. He's hedging all of
his end time bets on this anti Christ. So of
course you would want to obscure and conceal that bloodline
best you can. And I think they've done a pretty
good job. But when people like me start digging and
find this stuff, he comes after you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: He ostracizes you, paint you in a corner, and makes
you look like a crazy kook. That way, nobody listened
to you. So when I found that, I mean, this
is a fifteen chapter book, folks, and I mean we've
barely scratched the surface. But there's one chapter on the
serpent seat. And the only reason I put it in
there is because it's involved with the story, right, wrong
or indifferent. That's what they believed. So I'm a researcher.
I lay all cards on the table and then I
give you my opinions of those cards. That's all I did.
But I knew in the back of my head. I
was like, dude, you're gonna be ostracized. You're gonna be
kicked out of some circles, and you're not gonna be
allowed back in some circles. And I'm a content creator,
you know what I mean. I'm trying to write books
and get on shows and talk to people and kind
of spread my ideas and network with people. This will
hurt me. Call it stupid, stupid pride, you know of
a dumb redneck, or principles you know the truth. I
don't know what you call it, but I was like
something in me was like, no, you went into this
not even believing in the serpent seed. I didn't believe
in it, brother, I thought they were full of it.
I laughed at them because really intelligent people that I respected,
like doctor Michael Heizer, were staunchly against it. So I
just took their word for it. Never looked into it myself.
But once I looked into it for myself, I was like,
I don't see how they don't see it. It's right
there slapping you in the face. And so I was like,
I hell with it, truth, truth. I put it out there,
and I did. I paid the price. I've had certain people,
no name drops, but uh big in this sphere, big,
big audience that has talked to me and had me
on their program won't let me back on their program anymore.
I've had people unfriended me, disassociate with me. Uh there
their spiritual warfare one hundred percent into uh exposing this
darkness and calling it out.
Speaker 1: Wow, You've been on a number of big programs, There's
no doubt about that. I hate hearing that because ideas
are you know, on this on this particular program, and
I get all kinds of people on here. All right,
There's there's a lot of times I don't agree with
what's being said, but I'm not gonna sit in. This
isn't about arguing. I don't need to argue a point,
and I don't need to, you know, take time to
point out every flaw that I that my paradigm you know, indicates,
is this way. But sometimes I feel like I'm just
learning what other people think, and sometimes it's it's nice
to know what the other side thinks. And through it
all though, the one thing I don't do is ostracized.
I just I hate hearing that that happened to you.
I'm sorry, And I hope that this I hope that
this interview at least people will get out there and say, Okay,
let's you know, let's listen to Doc, give him a
chance to get the book and just kind of be
able to, you know, put it into your arsenal of like,
and at least you're getting in the Bible, you know,
figure it out on your own. You know, it sounds
like that's exactly what you did. You didn't take you know,
and I love I love doctor Heiser and his work,
but you know you didn't take his word on it.
You went and dove in on your own. I love that, man.
You know. The biggest thing about the modern church and
belief system out there is a lot of this stuff.
You just Number one, it's not taught. Number two, you
can't talk about it. You know, it's a it's a
big problem, man, Because I feel like as we go
down this path more and more and more. We're going
to be seeing more and more and more of this
stuff because we're getting you know, days of Noah are
coming back, and this is what we're talking about. Man.
Speaker 2: So the revelation says that, I mean, the people at
that time, their hearts will fail them for the sites
that they see because they've ignored this stuff and not
looked at it and educated themselves. Yeah, they're coming back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, modern day Bigfoot. Just I gotta I gotta
ask you a little bit about that modern day Bigfoot.
I live in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, man, and
you know, Bigfoot whatever you want to call it, momo,
there's so many different versions of it, a lot of
a lot of stuff. You know, you can go on
a big Bigfoot tour around here. Yeah, a lot of stuff.
Modern day big Bigfoot. Does it exist? And what do
you think it is?
Speaker 2: I think so. And I'm not one of these people
that sees black and white. I see full color. I
don't think things are so simple to where you can say,
oh it's this or oh it's that. No, it's ninety
nine point nine percent of the time this and that
a combination of the two. But I do think that
my theory and what I lay out in the book
ties it all up in a pretty red bow. Because
in the Bigfoot community, and like I said, I was
near a big Foot enthusiast, I'm kind of new to
this sphere. But there's two camps. There's the flesh and
blood camp and the spiritual camp. Well, what I'm talking
about here ties them both together with a pretty red bow,
because do I think that there are some physical flesh
and blood ones left? Yeah, they might be, you know,
remnants from days gone by. And the legends say they're
cave dwellers. You know, that's a huge underground railway. Wen explored,
not even twenty thirty percent of our cave systems. So
and people that want to say, well, if that's true,
how come we've not killed one, how come we've not
found one in the woods dead or this, that and
the other. Well, I try to remind people of the panda.
The panda was only discovered in the last hundred years, folks,
But there was legends and drawings and stories about them
thousands and thousands of years ago. But you know what
people said about it, that's not real. That's fake. People
tell their kids that, so they don't go too far
into the woods by themselves. But then they found it,
and pandas are dumb around a pan. They're not smart creatures.
Speaker 1: People call me a penda all the time. I just realized,
oh wow, But if you look though.
Speaker 2: The sasquatch, if it is a humanoid hybrid, like I'm
talking about the ultimate Hunter, the mighty hunter with intelligence,
you know, if a dumb panda can manage to hide
and not be seen for thousands of years, I don't
think it's a stretch to say the same thing about
this sasquatch. But then where he marries into this Nephelong
giant cleans According to the book Enoch, what does it
say that they're not of heaven and not of earth?
So when they die, their spirits remain to torment mankind.
So I think there's where you get the Wu camp,
the people that say, oh, it's not flesh and blood
because it phases in and out of reality. It comes
in portals. There's orbs and UFOs and mine speak all
this other kind of you know, wacky magical type stuff. Well, yeah,
because it's the spirits of the nepheline that are left
to remain, and I don't think it's a far fetched
to assume that they would want to pick a familiar form.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, fascinating, man, fascinating. Tell people why they
need to read this book. Tell them why you know
this matters to someone on a Monday morning, and why
they need to get your book and dive into this
and understand it better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that you need this book because
it totally changes a lot of the main stories of
the Bible, and it ties in perfectly. It answers so
many ambiguous questions about your scripture that left you scratching
your head, and I name just a few of them
on this program. There's a lot more in this book,
but you have to take the ancient mindset of the
people and get into the original languages and into the weeds.
But by reading this, I believe you're going to get
a better understanding your Bible, the better understanding of the
people of the time. It ties, if my theories are correct,
It ties perfectly into biblical prophecy and end times. You
get to see the battle of the seed wars that
we're going through now. You even see parables of Jesus
that refer directly to this seed war. But once you
have this new setaglasses, you can see it. So I
go through all that, but then I also go through
the science. I show you, you know, the scientists know
and accept this. They don't bigfoot though that they call
it hypertrixosis. And then I go through all the legends
and lore of this bigfoot. You find it everywhere Europe, Asia,
China called it the Year, and the Europeans called it
the wood wolfs. It's it's everywhere. So if it's everywhere,
there has to be something to it, in my opinion.
But you have all that that cool stuff. But then
at the same time, I end it with a good
spiritual morale, like a lesson about how Esau was a
prideful man's man, and like the prodigal son, he could
have humbled hisself and repented and come back into the
family and been accepted and loved, but instead he chose rebellion.
So I kind of tell people it's don't be don't
be an Esau, don't be stubborn and leaning on your
own pride and favor revenge over forgiveness, or as doctor
Laura Sanger says, you'll take the d path right.
Speaker 1: All right, No, excuse my kiddie. She likes Bigfoot too.
Tell people how they can get your book, where they
can find it, and then also where they can connect
with you as far as if the website, social media,
any of that.
Speaker 2: Well, right, first off, just thank you for having me
on and allow me to lay this out and speak
to your audience.
Speaker 1: It's been fascinating.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it you.
Speaker 1: I trust me this. Like I said, I could talk
about this for hours, probably lose audience members just from
but I'm telling you this is absolutely fascinating and I
loved every second of this.
Speaker 2: So thank you, well, thank you brother. But yeah, but
if you guys are interested in that, here's the book
for those that are watching. But it's the epic of Esau,
the Birthright and Seed War. You can find this on
Amazon for twenty bucks for the physical copy, ten for
the digital and I just release the audio book too,
so if you don't like to read or don't have
time to read, you can just pop in at earbud
and and actually have me read it to you.
Speaker 1: Are you're the reader? Yes?
Speaker 2: No, AI, it's me. Yeah, awesome, I'm telling you get
this Southern drawl.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's going to make it even better.
And I have a I'm going to be on the
road driving thousands of miles in January, and rather than
just listen to podcasts, I like to actually catch up
on reading. Because I have authors on all the time,
I can't read all their books. That that's the perfect time.
I'm going to get the audiobook. I'm going to listen
to it in January while I'm driving. Man, that is awesome.
I'm excited about that because I this topic is fascinating
to me. And do everything that you just connected, it's literally,
like I said, you know, the my kitty, it's literally
you know the flannel graph like I said, when you
were in Sunday School, you know, and they just pop
it up there, Hey, here's a esau and this is
what happened. I love the fact that all these little
bits of the Bible that you just kind of glossed
over because you're like, I have no idea really what
that means, you know. And Man, over the past two
years of my life, more and more and more things
just are becoming clear and I and I'm seeing them differently,
and it sounds like this book is right up my
alley because the deeper you get into the Bible, the
more you realize, wow, there's there's there's so much more
here and layers, man, and you can't you can't dig
deep enough. So yeah, that's awesome, man.
Speaker 2: Brother, cars like that. And my show it's called the
Prometheus Lens Podcast. You can find that anywhere. You can
consume content, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, by all the things, even
the social media's and my website is Prometheus Lens podcast
dot com. You can reach out and email me there
and contact me there. It's like a one stop shop.
Everything's there. And you can also find my book there
and buy it directly from me, and I'll send out
sign copies and I give out like a little goodie
bag for the people that buy directly from me. You
get some custom stickers and bookmarks and a signed book.
Speaker 1: Awesome Prometheus Lens podcast dot com. Correct, folks, go out there,
go out there, support him and rather than going to Amazon,
go directly get get the goodie bag, get the signed copy. Yeah,
go directly to the source.
Speaker 2: Man, Bezos don't need any more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, amen, listen, I appreciate you, brother, thank you
so much for coming on. This has been awesome. Any
future endeavors books, anything like that you were thinking about
working on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, I got so many books in my
head that I want to write, but right now I'm
still working full time in a factory. So uh lord
willing I can get to doing this full time, and
if I do, I'll have the one thing that I
need time. So once I get that, I can do
some more writing. And I actually I found a couple
of documentaries too. I'm just in the middle of piecing
them together on the weekends in my free time.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, man. Well listen, I'll be praying for your brother.
Thank you so much. If you ever need to come
back on talk about anything, You're always welcome. You're a
fascinating human being. Man. I appreciate you, and I'm going
to read listen, I guess to your book in January
and maybe we'll reach back out and because I know
there's so much more to this, so I appreciate you now.
Thank you, brother, ladies and gentlemen on only Justin and
Doc Brown, thank you sir. All Right, folks, that's where
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