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Speaker 1: This episode explores theological and historical interpretations drawn from ancient

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texts and traditions for discussion and research purposes.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Bigfoot genesis twenty five, twenty five just popped

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into my head. The first one came out red, covered

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in hair head to toes, like a hairy cloak.

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Speaker 1: Guys like man.

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Speaker 2: That sounds pretty squatchy. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 1: Hello, amazing people, and welcome back to the Ryan Files.

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Tonight's episode explores one of the Bible's most mysterious figures, Esau,

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and a provocative ideas sometimes referred to as Biblical Bigfoot.

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My guest justin Doc Brown presents a deeply researched interpretation

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drawn from scripture, ancient Jewish tradition, and extra Biblical texts,

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examining lineage symbolism and whether ancient descriptions of wild men

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may still echo into the modern world. This is an

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explanatory conversation, not a declaration of fact. It's designed to

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challenge assumptions and encourage deeper study of the Biblical text.

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This is the Ryan Files, Let's dive in. Hello, ladies

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and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Ryan Files. I'm very

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excited Today on The Ryan Files, we're diving into the

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darker side of the Old Testament. Justin Doc Brown, hosts

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of Prometheus Lenz and author of the Epic of Esau

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the birth Rate in Seed War, is here with a

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bold claim. Now, Esau may have been one of the

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original biblical Bigfoots. That's what he's talking about. Tied to

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the serpent seed line, married to Nephelim giantesses and ancestors

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to them Malachites, the so called blood liquors. Now, this

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is a new angle for the show, Doc, So I

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appreciate you coming on the Ryan Files, man, thank you

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so much.

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Speaker 2: Now I appreciate you having me let me come on

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and speak to you listeners. This was a honestly something

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that blindsided me. I grew up a Christian my whole life,

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and knew the stories of Bigfoot and that kind of stuff.

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But just one day, joking with some friends talking about Bigfoot,

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Genesis twenty five, twenty five popped into my head and

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it just hit me a different way that day. You know,

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It's like the first one came out red, covered in

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hair head to toe, like a hairy cloak. I was like, man,

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that sounds pretty squatchy. What do you guys think it

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kind of just sit me down this rabbit trail for

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like the next two years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what, And as soon as you

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just said that, it's like, Yeah, as your paradigm shifts

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as you go through all this stuff in our audience,

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we've we've been through just about everything, and it's it's crazy, man.

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You start digging into the Bible, what you find. It's

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just a lot of us weren't taught any of this

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stuff growing up, you know, or the Bible wasn't like

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this supernatural book that it really is. So that's that's fascinating.

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So you said two years of kind of going through

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this and researching it, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was honestly a two year obsession. I'm a what's

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the word I'm looking for, the obsessive compulsive. It's like,

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when I get a hold of something, I have to

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figure out how it works to the front to the back.

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And uh, Honestly, even after two years, I was still

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finding stuff connecting to this guy and this whole lineage

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and thing. But I was like, I got to put

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a cap on this at some point.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I've had Gary Wayne on the show I've seen you've

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had you've had him on recently, and that's what he

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said too. He's like, yeah, you keep finding stuff. He said,

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You're just going to eventually have to just put a

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cap on it. He said, Are you going to end

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up writing a Bible.

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Speaker 1: Or one of Gary Wayne's books, right? I mean, yeah,

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they're They're massive. This is this is fascinating. What if

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you don't mind, just so the folks in the audience

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can kind of get a background the basic story of

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Esau because that's who we're going to be talking about

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lots to day. So if you don't mind, just let's

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drop that as kind of like the background story. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, well for those that's not familiar, I guess a

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good baseline for Esau is uh And going back, like

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I said, I've been to church my whole life and

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heard these stories. It's just like you mentioned, when you

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get this new set of glasses, you look at this

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scripture a whole new way. But he's honestly one of

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the most enigmatic characters of the Bible. And you know,

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as far as you know Churchianity goes, you know, I

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was taught that this guy come this hairy guy comes

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out and the hairiness was just referring to his beard.

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He had a good beard, you know, or something like that.

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They really downplayed it. But he's born his brother's you know,

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clutching his heel. That was a noteworthy But then it

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fasts forwards to his adulthood and it says just one

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day he comes in from the field exhausted, trades his

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birthright to his younger brother. And for those that's not

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for me, the birthright is basically like the inheritance. So

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it's like modern context. You know, your father's Donald, you're

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the eldest son, You're gonna be next in line to

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inherit the billions of the family business. I mean, the

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keys to the kingdom are yours. But this guy just

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comes in from the field exhausted one day and gives

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it all away for a bowl of stinking red stew.

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that makes absolutely no sense to me. And then you

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have the whole famous story of the deception of the

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blessing that's supposedly that Jacob's on his death bed. I'm sorry,

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Isaac is on his deathbed and wants to bless his son,

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so he calls in Esau tells him to go out

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on a hunt one more time, because he was known

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as the Mighty Hunter. He wanted to taste his game

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one last time and that he would give him his blessing.

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you go to the father, he gives his sign of approval,

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his blessing. That's like the lawyer's stamp. It's official. But

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Rebecca is sitting outside and hears this. So when Esau leaves,

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he tells his brother, younger brother, Jacob, hey, go kill

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a goat, bring it to me. I will prepare a

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delicious meal for your father, and you will pretend to

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be your brother and get the blessing. And Jacob's like, no, mother.

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He says, I'm a smooth man, So that even speaks

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to that. The hairiness right, And a lot of people

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want to say, oh, it was a good beard, or

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it's hyperbole, it was poetic language. No, this guy was

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so hairy that that the goat's skin from the goat

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they killed, They took the skin and wrapped it around

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him like a blanket so his blind father would reach

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up and feel him and think he was Esau. So

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this guy was literally that hairy, and so Jacob steals

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the birthright. Esau comes back, he's pissed off because he's

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been screwed out of his birthright and threatens to kill

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his brother, and his brother has to run off to

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the land of Haran for a few years to his

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brother's wrath subsides. And that's honestly the only narrative that

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his genealogies. But of course a lot of us skip,

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you know, skip those because it's kind of boring. You

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know this one, but got, but got, but goot, but got.

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see he took three wives, and who came from his loins,

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and the different people groups and tribes that stemmed from Esol.

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of the stories are broken and fragmented and leaves you guessing,

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you know, why would he trade for the bull's soup,

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what's so special about the soup? Why did it mention

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that his brother come out holding his heel? Just all

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these different things that it leaves the impression to me anyways,

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that we're missing a lot of context to the story.

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this extra stuff. And you find it, but it's all

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in the extra biblical books, Lewis Ginsburg, Legends of the Jews,

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the Midrashes, and the Targums. It's honestly like someone took

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the story of Esau and busted it with a hammer

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into a thousand pieces and scattered it. And so I'm

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one of those Christians that tell people like Mike Kaiser

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always says, you know, something doesn't have to be divine

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inspired to be important for historical and cultural contexts. And

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I think that is why a lot of the stuff

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in the Bible is so vague, because they didn't want

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to theoretically beat a dead horse. So when they were

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writing Genesis six, you know, to us, you know, the

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sons of God came down bred with the daughters of

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men and made Nepheloin giants, and then boom, it just

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skips and carries on, you know, business as usual, and

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we're like, whoa, yeah, that was pretty important. I want

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some more context on that. But the writers at that

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time wasn't thinking of us thousands of years later they

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were thinking about the people of that time and they

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were like, we don't need to beat a dead horse.

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It's well covered, so we don't have to beat it

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to death. And I think that's the same thing with

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this guy Esaw, because you had all these other scrolls

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circulating that told the full story of this guy.

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Speaker 1: Right right. That's actually that's fascinating because you know, we

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grow up, you grow up in church and remember the

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flannel graphs, Remember the flannel graphs, you know, and they

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throw up a flannel of Esau and whatnot. That's you got,

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just you know, this weird story about the soup number

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one and then the birthrate thing, and you know, covering

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his arm with the fur, and I mean you can

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take that at face value, I guess, but like it

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does seem like maybe maybe there's a little bit more

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to the story. And once again, you know, talking about

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these extra biblical texts, there's a lot of different things

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back to Enoch or Joshua or whatever kind of fills

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in some of the details. And again we're not saying

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it's scripture you know, divine scripture or whatnot. But I

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agree with what you said about Michael Heiser saying, you know, yeah,

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you can certainly use it though for context, especially like

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like everybody knew this is recent history. You know, giants

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are running around and whatnot. They lived it, you know,

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it's in their family stories. But here we are, you know,

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in twenty twenty five, and you know, albeit it is

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around us, it's just different. So so where'd you start

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give people some context. I was like, well, imagine if

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some kind of great cataclysm happens and varies America under

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hundreds of feet of soot and ash and soil whatever,

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and thousands of years later, this archaeologist comes and he's digging,

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and it's called The Histories of America, and he opens

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it up and gets to reading. But as he keeps

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digging around him, he finds a Cosmopolitan magazine, he finds

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a Sports Illustrated, he finds just all these different magazines.

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the modern Christian, because the modern Christian in that scenario

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would have been like, no, we have the Histories of America.

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is not important. Well, no, I mean the Histories of America.

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good details in it, but I guarantee you there's going

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to be a lot of stuff in those magazines that

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fills in gaps and explains the culture of the people

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of the time, and it influenced the writing of that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So all right, we're on the same

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board with that. Let's get into biblical Bigfoot. You start

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digging into the story, did you have a notion out

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the gate or is this something that came to you

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as you start studying it as far as like this

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idea of biblical Bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it honestly just blindsided me. Like I said,

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I was having a conversation with some friends and the

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Genesis twenty five twenty five popped up and I was like, man,

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it sounds like a really squatchy dude. And some people

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call it the Holy Spirit, some people call it synchronicity.

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put to it, but something which I believe the Holy

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Spirit give me breadcrumb trails. And one thing led to

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the other, and it led to this, and then my

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curiosity was piqued and I had to see it to

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the end. But it was maybe a week after that

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comment that I had made to and friends. I had

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the epic of Gilgamesh and I had read or not.

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but I hadn't actually read the thing. So I was

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reading it, taking notes and studying it. And then I

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bumped into this guy named Inky Doo, just like Esau.

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He was known as the Mighty Hunter, and he was

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covered in hair from head to toe like a Harry Cloak,

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just like Esau. And he battles this great giant Gilgamesh,

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who's depicted so big. He's holding a fully mained lion

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like a little kiddy cat. And I was like, man,

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this dude, here's another one of these Harry dudes. There's

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another Sasquatch. And it was maybe a week, maybe two

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at most. I had a guest on and we were

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going over the Book of Jasher. And in the Book

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of Jasher, it says that Nimrod was the mighty hunter

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and that Esau was the mighty hunter. And it said

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that Nimrod had built up jealousy and envy and hatred

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toward Esau all of his days. And it words it

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as though Nimrod is hunting this beast of a man,

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like an animal hunting him. And it says that he

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goes out on this hunting party and he splits him

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off into two and one group goes one way, and

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him and two of his gibbore went with him. And

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this word gibore or gibl riim in the plural, is

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the same word used to describe the Nephelom giants throughout

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the text. It's not a catch all term, you know,

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not every time that word is used. It's I don't

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believe it's talking about a giant. But the context is key.

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And in this story it says that Esau sees them coming,

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but he hides itself, and it says at the opportune time,

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he springs forward, takes his sword, and he cuts off

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the head of Nimrod, and then he the other two

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gibor to the death. And kills them both, and it

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says the hunting party that heard the commotion comes running,

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but it says Esau takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments,

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and it says, these are the garments to which nisa,

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I'm sorry. These are the garments that Nimrod was able

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to prevail over all the nations. So it attributes all

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of his power and greatness to these garments. It's kind

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of like a crown. So it says that he takes

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these garments and then he rushes back home and that

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he hides the garments in his tent, but then he

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goes to his brother Jacob's tent, and it picks up

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perfectly with the Genesis story of the trading of the birthright,

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because it says he just came in from the field exhausted. Yeah,

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he was exhausted, all right. He just fought three giants

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to the death and killed the king Nimrod. Yeah, you know,

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it's modern context. You just killed the president, the FBI,

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the CIA, all those three letter agencies are after you. You're

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on the run, and you probably sustained some life threatening

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injuries in this exchange. So this trading of the birth

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right I think and the red stew is allegorical for

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care for me, hide me, give me sustenance, sew me up,

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and to me, it makes perfect sense not only with

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the context of that story flowing, but even the words

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and what it's said in that exchange in Genesis, because

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in Genesis, when you read it with this context, you

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can see the what's the word I'm looking for the

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urgency of this conversation, because when you read it without

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that context, it's like he comes in, I asks for

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the food. His brother's like, yeah, I'll give it to

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you if you trade me the birth right. And then

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he's like, no, promise me, you know, basically, don't be

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tricking me or fool of me. Hey, promise me you're

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gonna do this thing. And then he saw a response

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with what use is a birthright to me? When I

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am dead? Take it? So reading that without that context,

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you're like, ah, that's pretty melodramatic. You know, what use

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is it if I'm dead? Take it? But when you

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add in this book of jash Er, yeah, he killed

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the king, he's on the run, probably bleeding out, and

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his brother's taking advantage of the situation. He knows he's desperate.

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He's like, yeah, I'll take care of you and hide you,

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but you're gonna trade me your birthright. He's like fine, no, no, no, no,

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promise me. And then he's like, dude, what use is

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it when I'm dead?

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Speaker 1: Help me?

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Speaker 2: And so that's honestly the first thing that got me started,

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and I was like, Okay, I have to find out

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the rest of this guy's story. And my very first

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question was, and what is up with these garments?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: What are these garments?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right? Right? Let me ask you a couple of

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questions before we get into the garments, because yeah, I

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need to know what the garments are. Nimrod. We know

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all about Nimrod from the Bible, but there's a lot

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of people that believe that Nimrod and Gelgabesh are the

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same dude, Is that something that you believe in your research?

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Speaker 2: You have come to believe, Yes, And I believe when

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reading that story, they mirror each other almost perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the same wad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you have these two mighty men battling out

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and fighting for supremacy, and I think that it's basically

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a retelling of the same story, but through different cultural lenses,

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because whoever tells the story is going to spend it

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in their favor. I mean, we know that even with

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the wars and history today, you know, it tells you

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the victors, right the histories. So I think that these

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guys really did meet and they really did battle it

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out to the death. But the Northern people, the Assyrians

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and the Babylonians, whatever kind of label you want to

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put on them, spun it to where their guy is

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the victor and wins. Where then you have the Jewish

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people the Semites that tell the same story, but where

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their guy wins. I think there's just too many parallels

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with these two stories to be a coincidence, and.

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Speaker 1: Therefore Incadu would also be Esau.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it really opened your eyes to the two

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thousand and three finding of allegedly finding Gilgamesh's tomb by

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the Euphrates. But anyway, so that set you on the

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trail obviously, and just hearing you tell that story of yeah,

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it really doesn't make any context contextual sense. Oh yeah, dude,

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here's my birthrate. Fine, just give me some soup. But

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whenever you get the context, it's like, okay, now I

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get it, you know, now I get it. So let's

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move forward. That set you on the trail. What was next?

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Speaker 2: Yea, as far as like chronologically following my journey through

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this was? Yeah, what's these garments? What's so special about

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these garments that it says that these were the reason

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that Nimrod was able to prevail over all the nations?

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And even though he just had this battle, probably you know,

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bleeding out or whatever, and then he's got a whole

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army coming after him. Most of us would have been

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freaked out and holding our guts in and running home.

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But now he takes the time to steal those garments,

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and then not only that, he takes the time to

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hide them in his tent before going to seek his

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life saving care. So I was like, man, these have

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to be important. What is up with these? So I

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went to searching through, like I said, the book of Jashure,

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the Midrash, the Targum's Ginsburg, legends of the Jews. And

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we can debate, I won't say this out front. We

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can debate all day long if the things in these books,

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in these legends are right, wrong or indifferent, but we

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cannot debate that this is what they believed, and it

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influenced their thoughts, it influenced their writings and all these things.

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So we have to take these stories into consideration. In

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the very least. You don't have to believe them or

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think them to be historically accurate, but the story itself.

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And I love how Mike Kiser laid this out, and

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he said, not saying the Bible's fake, he said, but

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you need to read your Bible as though it is

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a fantasy novel. That way, your filters, your preconceived notions,

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your reality, what you think is and is not, is gone,

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and you just accept it for what it is and

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as it comes, and it helps to unravel the story.

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But in the Book of Joshure, it's I kept reading.

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It's like they would they knew that we'd be asking

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this question, because it goes into the context of the

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garments after this, and it says that basically, these were

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the supernatural garments from the Garden of God that was

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given to Adam and Eve as their coverings, and this

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was the birthright. When you hear them talking about the birthright,

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the birthright in this Abrahamic line, they're referring to the garments.

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According to the legends, and it says that this was

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passed kind of like a I'm a Southern man, so

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about the only context I got is like your granddad's

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old rifle. It gets passed down to the eldest son,

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and it's a family heirloom, you know. I mean, it's

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it's important. That's what these garments were. And it traces

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them and tracks them, you know. It goes from Adam,

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it goes to Enoch, to Matthuselah, then to Noah, and

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it says that Noah has them coming over the flood

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and that once he gets off of the flood or

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off the boat from the flood, that the garments then

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changes hands and goes to Ham. That says that in

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Ham's going out, that Ham steals the garments. He was

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the youngest son. He wasn't supposed to have them, so

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he stole them. And I was like, Okay, well, now

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I have to go back to Genesis and look at

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that garden event again and see if I can see

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these garments like they're talking about. And when you read that,

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I was always taught that this is basically a foreshadowing

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of Christ, that the first sin happened, something had to die,

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to cover their sin, just as Christ dies and covers

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our sins. And that's a beautiful picture and theologically makes sense.

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But that's just not in the scripture. That's an interpretation.

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And the only thing that says is when you go

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to the Hebrew that he gave to them a connone

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and a Connonit is translated many times in the Bible

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to tunic, so it's just saying he give them a

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tunic to cover their nakedness. And when I got to

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looking through there in the Legends of the Jews, because

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I was actually forming this hypothesis in my head, and

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I was like, okay, when we go to Ezekiel twenty eight,

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this is a condemnation to the King of Tire. But

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halfway through the wording changes and he's no longer talking

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to this king. He's talking to the spiritual entity behind

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the king, and this is the Hacitan, cosh, the serpent.

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And this is a pretty much a universal thing. I mean,

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there's not I've not heard many people, you know, say

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say that this is not who this is talking about.

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But in there it says you were in the garden

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of God. Every precious stone was your covering. This is

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barrel Onyx, Topaz Jasper and names all these stones. The

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Masoretic texts lists nine, but the septuagen lists twelve. This

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is a polaroid picture of the priestly ephod So it's

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painting Satan in a priestly role, and then on down,

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just maybe two lines down, it removes all doubt because

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it says you profaned your sanctuaries. So not only is

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it painting him in his in this priestly role, it's

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even saying he had a sanctuary and that he profaned it.

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And in the legend of the Jews, it says that

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Adam and Eve's coverings were the coverings of the nakash.

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And I was like, well, if we go by Ezekiel

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twenty eight, his coverings was the priestley e fought. So

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when Satan done what he done and tried to basically

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overthrow and deceive his younger brother, if you look at

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it in a family aspect, I love how Timothy Alberino

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laid that out in his book Birthright. The Divine raises

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the elder brother, we're the younger brother. And when he

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done that, he was cast down and he was demoted.

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His position was taken away. His priestly garments were taken

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from him and given to his younger brother. And I

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think this was the kingship and priesthood of the dominion

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of Earth, and I think that was the the context

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of these garments. And once again one of these stories

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that never made sense to me was the uncovering of

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Noah's nakedness. Now, when I was looking trying to figure

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out what these garments were, when it got to this section,

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it says that Ham got them because he stole them

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and he was going out. Well, thanks to Mike Heiser

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and some of these really big brain guys, I found

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out that, you know, that confusing story, just like the

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birthright trading. Ham comes in his father's pissed drunk, passed

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out naked in the floor, and he either looks at

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him too long or makes us a smirky comment about him,

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and his father curses his genealogies. And I was always like, ay, gosh,

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that's harsh. Man. Have I been at school all day

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and I come home my dad's pissed, drunk, passed out

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naked in the floor. I mean, that ain't my fault,

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that's his, you know. And he never even cursed Ham.

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He cursed his firstborn son, Canaan, who wasn't even born

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yet if you read the story chronologically. So Mike Kaiser

469
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,519
brought to my attention that phrase, the uncovering of thy

470
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father's nakedness. Well, if you let scripture interpret scripture, when

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you go to Leviticus, I think it's chapter seventeen, it says,

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to sleep with thy father's wife is to uncover thy

473
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father's nakedness, for it is his nakedness. And I was like, WHOA.

474
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So this was basically an active rebellion in the ancient

475
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world of one of the sons trying to take over

476
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the household. And once again, if you let scripture interpret scripture,

477
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you see this many times. If you go to Absalom,

478
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he overthrows David and runs him out of the king. Well,

479
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,480
what's the first thing he does. He pitches a tent

480
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on David's house and goes into all of David's concubines

481
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in the sight of all of Israel. If you go

482
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to Ruben, Ruben did the same thing to usurpredominance of

483
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the household. He slept with his father's concubines as well.

484
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So this is basically how you flexed on the old

485
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,359
man back in the day. And it says that he

486
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uncovered his father's nakedness. And I say this in the book,

487
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,519
it's kind of a and I say it, it's my

488
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:38,119
creative spin or take on the whole thing that after

489
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,200
he does the deed, he comes out and he tells

490
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,240
his brothers what he's done, and he's like, hey, I

491
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:47,200
just did this deed. Pops is a drunk, he's depressed,

492
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,759
he's no longer fit to rule. I just did this deed.

493
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If you guys go in and do the same thing,

494
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he can't take all three of us, and we'll divide

495
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,519
the world amongst ourselves, and the world is our oyster.

496
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,279
What do you guys say? Well, Genesis says they refuse

497
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:08,720
the rebellion, and it says they take a garment and

498
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:13,400
walk backwards and cover their father's nakedness. But when you

499
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,400
go to the Hebrew, the original language, it doesn't say

500
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,519
they took a garment. It has a definite, definite article

501
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:26,599
assigned to it. It says they took the garment, placed

502
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,680
it on their shoulders, and walk backwards to cover their

503
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father's naked And so I was like, is this the

504
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,279
supernatural garments from the Garden of God, according to the

505
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,160
chronology that they were in possession of at the time,

506
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:42,079
according to the stories that Ham stole in his going out,

507
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and it even makes sense theologically if this was the

508
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symbol of kingship and priesthood. It's, you know, symbolically the crown.

509
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,599
How fitting would it be if you were trying to

510
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,599
usurp the household and steal the crown for your brothers

511
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,759
to take that crown and place it back upon the

512
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lea of the house.

513
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:09,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, very very fascinating, doc. Yeah wow, Yeah, that

514
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,039
makes a lot of sense. It's so funny these little

515
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,640
things that you just kind of gloss over because it

516
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,200
doesn't really make sense, and you're making sense of it,

517
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,400
you're making the connections. Yeah.

518
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it's honestly got me excited to open my

519
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,160
Bible back up and reread these things to fill in

520
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,440
the missing pieces.

521
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: So how did these garments end up in the hands

522
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,119
of Nimrod?

523
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my next question because in the story

524
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of Jashuer, it says that when Ham steals them and

525
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:44,119
it's going out, he hides them, and it says that

526
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,559
in his late age he ends up passing them to Cush,

527
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,359
his son, and it says that Kush hides them, and

528
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,480
it says that in his older age. It says that

529
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Nimrod was the child of Kush's old age, whom he

530
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,319
loved exceedingly, and that at the coming of age, when

531
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Nimrod turned twenty years old, Cush gave him the garments.

532
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,480
And it says that at that age, at twenty, when

533
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:20,920
Nimrod put on the garments, he became a gible rim.

534
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,880
So this answers that question in Genesis that a lot

535
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,440
of people in our circles kind of gravitate toward because

536
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,960
they notice it doesn't say Nimrod was born a gibble rim.

537
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:36,400
This says he becomes a gilblerim. And according to the

538
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,279
Book of Jeshuar attributed to these garments and the legends.

539
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:45,119
According to Ginsburg, the belief was that the wire of

540
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,880
these garments, it was the symbol of kingship and priesthood

541
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,880
and dominion. But at the same time it made the

542
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,039
animals and the birds of the air submissive to the

543
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,519
because he's like Adam, you know, all the animals bowed

544
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,640
before him. He got to name them because he had

545
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,440
dominion over them. All, he was the king, and so

546
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,839
it says the wire of these that all of creation

547
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,799
would bow and be subservient to it. And they said

548
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,359
that is how Noah got all the animals on the boat,

549
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,119
because he had the garments and they listened to him.

550
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

551
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so but we see the garments many times

552
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,920
through out scripture. It's just we're not looking for it.

553
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960
And it's kind of like that that red Honda Civic.

554
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,960
You know, you never noticed the red Honda Civic till

555
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,440
you buy one, and then you see them everywhere. So

556
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,440
I got to look, and I was like, well, where

557
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,160
else do we see these garments? Because I had to

558
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,599
follow the trail, and we see it in the Book

559
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,960
of Jeshure. Esaw gets them. It says he hides them

560
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,599
in his tent. Then at the trading of the birthright

561
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,720
the blessing, when she wrapped the goats fur around him.

562
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,119
Once again, it's this little caveat that we look over.

563
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,880
But if you read that story again, it's like the

564
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,760
cherry on top for the deception. It says that Rebecca

565
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:21,079
goes into Esauce tent and takes his special garment and

566
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,599
places it upon Jacob Okay, so she went and stole

567
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,840
the supernatural garments from the Garden of God out of

568
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,840
e sauce tint that he hid and put it upon Jacob.

569
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,559
And then if we follow it just chronologically, Jacob his

570
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,880
name has later changed to Israel, and he has twelve sons.

571
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,760
And when it comes to Jake or Joseph, what does

572
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,679
it say. It says, Joseph was the child of Israel's

573
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,559
old age, whom he loved exceedingly. And what did he do.

574
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He bestowed upon him a what a co of many colors.

575
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,159
So if we go back to Ezekiel twenty eight barrel

576
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,360
onyx topaz jash for all these multicolored stones, it said

577
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,199
in gold was your settings, Yeah, that coat would be

578
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:18,519
very multicolored. And then when he puts them on, what happens?

579
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,000
All kinds of supernatural stuff starts happening. He starts getting

580
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,880
prophetic dreams. And what does he do. He goes to

581
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,400
his brothers and he says, brothers, the stars of heaven,

582
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,760
which was you know, symbolic according to job for the

583
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,480
angelic host. He said, the stars of heaven bow before me,

584
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the beasts of the field, and the wheat of the

585
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:46,719
field bow before me, And you. My brothers bow before

586
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,840
me and serve me, and they were like, hell, now

587
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:54,960
this guy gotta go. And there's where they get rid

588
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,960
of it and traded him into slavery. And it says

589
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,400
he doesn't say if they if the garment completely off

590
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,199
of him, or they took a piece, but it does

591
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,760
say that they took that coat or a piece of

592
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,000
that coat, and they soaked it in blood and brought

593
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,719
it back to Jacob slash Israel and says, a wild

594
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,719
beast of the field tore up your son. That this

595
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,519
is all that's left. And I think we see him

596
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:29,719
again with Elisha Elijah and Elijah. Well, Elijah is taken

597
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:38,280
up into the whirlwind, but what remains his mantle, okay,

598
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,800
and once again the Hebrew his canonet, and what happens

599
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,559
Elijah picks it up. He walks over to the Jordan,

600
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,480
and he smacks the cloak onto the water and the

601
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,639
water's part and make a dry piece of land for

602
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,599
him to cross the Jordan. I mean, could those have

603
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,119
been the garments? I mean, I think so. It's got

604
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:07,719
the characteristics of it. But uh, as far as Joseph,

605
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,199
are you familiar with David Roll?

606
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit a little bit.

607
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Speaker 2: I've had him on the show and we had a

608
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:17,639
we've done a show on Joseph and you can even

609
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:22,840
back those garments up in archaeology. And he told me this,

610
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,880
and it really blew my mind. In the Bible, it

611
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,800
talks about this city called ramp the city of Ramses.

612
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,320
He said that was the later name of the town.

613
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,440
He said it was originally called Avarus. And they knew

614
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:44,199
through the histories and the archaeology that this was a

615
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,719
Semite settlement. So semite, that's just another word for you know,

616
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,599
Middle Eastern Jewish, uh, you know, whatever terminology you want

617
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,840
to put to it. But it was a known Semite settlement.

618
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,840
And it said in the center of the town was

619
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,719
this huge house and it had a pyramid, a small one.

620
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,400
It wasn't like the Great Pyramids, but a pyramid complex

621
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,639
in the back. And so they were like, well, this

622
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,679
had to be a high government official or somebody for

623
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,679
it to be in the center of town the size

624
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,400
that it's in and this pyramid temple. And when they

625
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,199
dug it up, it was empty, but they found pieces

626
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,559
of what they thought was either pottery or a statue,

627
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,079
but they said they believed it was intentionally beaten and

628
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,360
busted up and broken, but they gathered the pieces and

629
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,599
put it together, and you can google search this. It

630
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:44,320
had yellow skin, and the Egyptians didn't paint their statues

631
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,960
and their people with yellow skin. That was a semite thing.

632
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,679
The hair was blood red. Once again, that's not an

633
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,079
Egyptian thing. That's a Semite thing. And then esau he

634
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,760
was born covered in red hair. That was like a

635
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,920
family characteristic. And then it said over the shoulder of

636
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:10,239
the person was a coat of many colors. So he

637
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,400
believed that to be Joseph. And it goes along with

638
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,320
the biblical narrative that he become, you know, second in

639
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,280
command under Pharaoh, invited his kin folk down to Egypt

640
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,079
to live dearing the famine. This was that settlement. And

641
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,800
David said, and why was the tomb empty? He says, well,

642
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,679
the Bible tells us that when Moses left with the Israelites,

643
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,639
they gathered up the bones of Joseph and took it

644
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:37,960
with them. So I mean, it's even backed up, you know,

645
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,559
with with archaeology. But the only other time that I

646
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,880
am aware of that the last time that these show up,

647
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,239
and I think this is beautiful. Man I think you'll

648
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,599
really appreciate this when you go into the Jewish beliefs.

649
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,280
Of course they rejected, you know, Jesus as the Messiah,

650
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,960
but they have the belief in two messiahs, and one

651
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,840
of them is called Messiah yet being Joseph, and they're

652
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,480
talking about Joseph. And then this new coming Messiah is

653
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,119
supposed to be like the conquering king. And that's why

654
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,000
they didn't believe it was Jesus, because Jesus didn't free

655
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:20,519
him from the Romans. So with that context, when you

656
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:24,239
read the Book of Revelation, it says that when Christ

657
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,639
comes back, it says that he's on this white horse,

658
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,800
conquering king with a sword. But then it talks about

659
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,039
this this garment that's on him. It describes this garment

660
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,119
and its beauty, and it says on the thigh it

661
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:41,800
is written king of Kings, Lord of lords, and that

662
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,920
blood is stained the garments all the way up to

663
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,840
the bridle. I think this is another polaroid picture showing

664
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:58,039
God's people. Hey, you believe in this Josiah Ben Joseph,

665
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:01,800
he had the the kingship and symbol of priesthood the

666
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,039
garments and they were soaked in blood and given back

667
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:10,480
to Israel. Well, here is your conquering king coming back

668
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,119
with those garments soaked in blood, just like the one

669
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,320
that you believe in Yosiah ben Josef.

670
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that's powerful man.

671
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful in it. Yeah, full circle.

672
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah wow. But it's gonna take me a second to

673
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,519
get my head wrapped around that is. That's fascinating. That's fascinating, doc. Yeah,

674
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:39,119
this this this garment, uh wow. Just to be able

675
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:42,239
to track it like that throughout the Bible. And again,

676
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,320
this is stuff that you wouldn't necessarily be able to

677
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,760
connect the dots on unless you had some you know,

678
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,719
contextual text to kind of uh fill in the story. Yeah.

679
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:56,000
Fascinating and it does.

680
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,519
Speaker 2: It just bills it in. And that's what I tell people, uh,

681
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,800
read these texts, because I mean, us modernors, we tend

682
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,239
to forget that there was no Bible floating around during

683
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,760
this time. You had scrolls and oral traditions and stories

684
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,480
and legends. So you know, you had hundreds of these

685
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,000
scrolls floating around and everybody was reading them and well

686
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:24,559
aware of them. And it wasn't until they tried to

687
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:30,239
gather Christianity, you know, as a group religion and put

688
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,199
it under the Roman banner to unite all the people

689
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,320
that they decided to compile them, and some of them

690
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,199
didn't make the cut for whatever reason. But that's why

691
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,880
so many things in your Bible is so ambiguous, because

692
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,519
they didn't go into great detail because there was another

693
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:53,159
scroll or story that told that story in full.

694
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,559
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, fascinating. Well let's get back to U for

695
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,639
a second now. Okay, so we know that this garment

696
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:07,519
that he stole from Memrod was powerful, ends up going

697
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:13,480
to his brother. But where does Esau go after the

698
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,159
birthrate has been given to his brother? Yeah?

699
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: And here, honestly when not only because people was like,

700
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,880
well he traded the birth right already, I'm like, well yeah,

701
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,280
but it was like a deathbed confession. You know, you

702
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,800
really didn't mean it, and you'll say whatever you need

703
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,400
to say to be saved. So you know, you're on

704
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,880
the run from the law, you're bleeding out, and the

705
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,360
one person that's there that can help you, they're demanding

706
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,360
some things from you. Yeah, you're going to promise from

707
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,320
the moon, right, just save me. So I think it

708
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,159
was kind of like he had his fingers crossed behind

709
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,519
his back, you know, because a lot of people want

710
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,239
to say, especially in Mardern Church, how I was taught

711
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:58,760
that Esau was just a very carnal man. He had

712
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,360
no respect for the birthright. He cared not for the

713
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,360
birthright and all these things that he desired, the flesh,

714
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,119
the things in the now. He never thought about the future,

715
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,840
very carnal minded. But I tell people, no, he obviously

716
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,360
wanted that birthright and thought highly of it. Because when

717
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,800
he goes in there and gets the blessing, like I

718
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,320
talked about the lawyer's stamp, when Esau comes back, he's like, arise,

719
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,559
my father, eat your meal and give me my blessing.

720
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,760
He's like, I already gave you your blessing. He's like, no,

721
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,159
you didn't, father. And then when they realized the fix

722
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,199
was in, he was enraged. No only enraged, he was sorrowful.

723
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,599
It says that he cries and begs, father, please, I'm

724
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:53,480
the eldest. Do you not have a half of the inheritance?

725
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,480
I mean, can you give me anything? He's like no,

726
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,559
you know something, what's done is done, and he's like,

727
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:03,559
will kill Jacob. He says his name suits him right.

728
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:10,559
The supplanter has stolen my birthright. And when you go

729
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:13,239
into Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, it gives a little

730
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,639
bit more detail, and it says that during this exchange

731
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,960
when he threatens to kill his brother, he says, I

732
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,679
will kill my brother Jacob with neither sword nor bow.

733
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,679
He said, I will bite his neck and drain him

734
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,559
of his blood until he is dead. So it's got

735
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,679
like this vamporistic and kind of feel to it. But

736
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,599
after this happens, Esau, in my opinion, goes into full rebellion.

737
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,360
It's like he gives the middle finger to Dad and

738
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,880
the whole family. He plays nice when Jacob comes back,

739
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,119
you know, but it's just you know, for appearances, I believe.

740
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,880
But he takes three wives at this time, and two

741
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,400
of them were Whoorites and the other one was a Heavite. Well,

742
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:13,440
thanks to people like Gary Wayne that dove through those

743
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:19,119
boring genealogies that we find out that those two clans

744
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,760
were known Nephilim giant clans. And one of his father

745
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,159
in laws is named Sier. And when you go into

746
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,159
the etymology of that word, that means Harry, and it

747
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:36,360
says that he reigns from a land where Mount Sier

748
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,440
is So here you have these this giant clan and

749
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:48,760
their name implies hairiness. So you basically, in my opinion,

750
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:55,280
have a clan of feral giants, and Esau marries into

751
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,519
them and breeds with them. So you take this, this

752
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:02,960
feral giant clan leading breeding with this, you already big

753
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:06,239
hairy man known as Esau. I mean, you've got a

754
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,719
strong likelihood for some really strange pups there, folks. And

755
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:15,000
when you follow that lineage, here is where a Malik

756
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,679
comes from, and he bursts the Amalekite race. And as

757
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:23,000
you had mentioned at the beginning of the show, when

758
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,760
you do the etymology, that word that means the blood liquors.

759
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:32,119
So you have this vamporistic feel once again. And we

760
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,719
know according to scripture, you don't even have to go

761
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:40,599
to extra biblical stuff. But during their exodus wanderings God's people,

762
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,440
their first encounter with an outside group was the Amalekites,

763
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:50,360
and it says that they tor them in I'm gonna

764
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,079
do all this stuff for a while, and then finally

765
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:54,599
it comes to a head and they have to have

766
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:58,239
a battle. But this is that famous battle that we

767
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,239
know of where most has to stand on top of

768
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,679
a mountain and hold the staff, the supernatural you know

769
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,320
staff that he parted the Red Sea with and brought

770
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,800
all the plagues on. And it said that only when

771
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,280
he held the staff in the air above his head

772
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,559
was Israel able to prevail over the Amalekites, and that

773
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,760
when he would tire and lower the staff, they would

774
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,920
start to lose. So it shows that it took supernatural

775
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,079
aid to conquer this tribe. And during their wilderness wanderings,

776
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:38,760
that's when you get all their rules, their laws and regulations. Well,

777
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,079
you don't get rules, laws, regulations unless those said things

778
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,760
are being done right. So I think it's pretty telling

779
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,960
of the people that they were encountering and they were

780
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,079
starting to imitate them, so God had to step in

781
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:57,199
and say no, no, no, no, you can't do this. So

782
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,079
I think all those laws and regulations, if we look

783
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:05,840
at them, I think it's describing this Amalekite race. So

784
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,280
if we look at some of those, it says, no

785
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,440
longer will you drink the blood, the power the life

786
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,239
forces in the blood. Well, their name means blood liquors, folks.

787
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
I mean that's a pretty tell tale to me. And

788
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:26,119
then it says, no longer will you sacrifice to Harry

789
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:32,840
Goat demons. You know that they land rain from Mount Sierra,

790
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,079
means Harry Harry Farrell giants, So would it be out

791
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:41,880
of the question that they would call them Harry Goat demons.

792
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,480
And then the Book of Isaiah talks about them. But

793
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:48,800
you got to go to the septuagen the Greek. It

794
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,159
says the satyrs the wild men will dance in the

795
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,760
wilderness and in the desolate cities. So it's talking about

796
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,559
these same people again, I believe. But it says you

797
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,840
will no longer pass your children through the fires of Molek.

798
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:09,280
We knew they were sacrificing children. It says you will

799
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,719
not seek out necromancers or sorcerers. According to the writings

800
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,039
of Rashi and some of these others, we know that

801
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:24,079
they were sorcerers. Rashi even his writings, he'd done a

802
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:27,440
commentary on the targets and all this stuff, and he

803
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,639
says this outright and his writings that they were known

804
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,719
sorcerers and shape shifters. And this is why this is

805
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,480
the only people group out of all the giant clans

806
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:44,880
that God commanded Joshua and Caleb to exterminate. This is

807
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,800
the only tribe that he says, kill every man, woman, child,

808
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:55,559
and animal. Wow, because they were known shape shifters and

809
00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:00,320
they would shift into animals to evade capture. I think

810
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:03,519
that's what we're looking at here is these you know,

811
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:08,000
if you take modern context, the descriptors of these guys,

812
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:10,760
it's what we would call a bigfoot today, right, without

813
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,679
question right and his and going back to the third wife,

814
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,679
that makes it interesting. He goes to Ishmael on this

815
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:25,599
one and that's his uncle, and he takes his daughter

816
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,679
for bride. And if you go to the genealogy, is

817
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,480
that that's where you get all of your Muslim people

818
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:36,480
groups and all the people that basically are thorns in

819
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,360
the side of God's people and wants God's people eliminated

820
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,719
off the face of the earth. And when we get hurt,

821
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,760
we want to go to someone that sympathizes with us.

822
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,840
He had nobody better to go to than Ismael. And

823
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,880
for the people that's not familiar with him. Ishmael was

824
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,559
Abraham's first son, but with Hagar, and according to Gary

825
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:13,800
Wayne's genealogies and research, she was from the Pharaoh. She

826
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,039
was Pharaoh's daughter, so she was an Egyptian princess, and

827
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:21,880
she was from the dragon court. Like I said, right wrong,

828
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,719
we're indifferent. This is what they believed, that she was

829
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:31,159
of the serpent seed and bred with her and produced Ishmael.

830
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:38,000
So then miraculously God opens Sarah's womb and here comes Isaac.

831
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Isaac gets the birthright, even though culturally and by the

832
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,119
law that she'ld have went to Ishmael. He was the

833
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:51,039
eldest born. So Esau would have found nobody better to

834
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:54,360
sympathize with his situation because they both were the eldest

835
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,719
born son and screwed out of their birthright. So you

836
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,280
can imagine what those family reunions and campfires were like.

837
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,719
For animosity is sewn there for sure.

838
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: For sure. You know one thing that comes up again

839
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,239
and again and again, Doc, and you can't deny it,

840
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:16,440
And it's all the way through modern day is blood lines, bloodlines,

841
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:27,679
blood lines, blood lines. It sounds like Esau is instrumental

842
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,000
in that, at least in part. We certainly know that

843
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:37,559
Nimrod's bloodline is a big deal to this day in

844
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:44,000
different societies and whatnot. But ESA's bloodline, with the three wives,

845
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:50,719
you're getting some very interesting offspring that are problematic to

846
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,199
say the least throughout the Bible. And then does that

847
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,000
continue in some way, shape or form into you know,

848
00:53:57,079 --> 00:53:57,679
modern day.

849
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's on your news when you

850
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:05,119
turn it on today. You know they're still fighting over Israel,

851
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,519
and this is the two bloodlines fighting it over their inheritance.

852
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,199
One believes they were screwed out of their birth right

853
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,119
and they're the rightful errors and the ones that to

854
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,840
rule and have the possessions and the inheritance. So, I mean,

855
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,480
you see it today on the news. It's still going on.

856
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,360
But here's where it gets really controversial.

857
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Right, let's go, let's go.

858
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,559
Speaker 2: When I was, yeah, I'm not want to put a

859
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:37,440
danger label on this one, but it is what it is.

860
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,960
I mean, I read the scriptures, I let the scriptures

861
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,639
say what it says, and I leave my I try

862
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:46,159
my best to leave my preconceived notions and thoughts and

863
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,760
dogma at the door. So when I was reading this,

864
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:56,360
it started talking about serpent seed. And so when you

865
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,280
go into Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, once again, the

866
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:08,039
targums and midrashes, they come right out and just say

867
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:12,920
that Esau was of the serpent seed. It says that

868
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,320
they were fighting in the womb who was going to

869
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:25,159
come out first, and that Esau threatened to kill Rebecca

870
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:29,079
in the birthing process if Jacob didn't allow him to

871
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:32,000
go first. So Jacob just let him go first to

872
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,599
save his mother. And then it also says when he's

873
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:40,760
born that he had a serpent's branding on his body,

874
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,679
and it says that Jacob had a guardian angel. His

875
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,559
guardian angel was Michael, but said Esau also had a

876
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:54,119
guardian angel and his guardian angel was Samai l And

877
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:57,360
for those that's not familiar with the Jewish legends and traditions,

878
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:04,280
this is the believed name of the Nakash the Hasatan

879
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,840
before the fall, and he was known as the Angel

880
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,760
of Death, the viper of God. And while she was pregnant,

881
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,280
it says that when she would walk by a house

882
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,760
that was in service to Yahweh, that Jacob would stir

883
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,239
with excitement, but when she would walk by a house

884
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:27,400
in service to a pagan deity, that Esau would stir

885
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:31,840
with excitement, and that she was having so much travail

886
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,320
in her labor where they were fighting in the womb,

887
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,199
that she started asking some of the other women was

888
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:41,960
this normal. Did they experience this kind of pain and suffering?

889
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,840
And they all said no. But in the text it

890
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,119
says that they told her, but we have heard of

891
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:53,320
one woman that had the same birthing in Travail that

892
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:59,559
you were having, and that was Nimrod's mother. And if

893
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:05,639
we go back to Genesis, it says that she's struggling

894
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,199
with her labor, she's in constant pain, and that she's

895
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,840
so worried that she, you know, prays to God and asks,

896
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,039
you know what's going on here? And if we remember,

897
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:21,840
it says that Gabriel, the heavenly messenger, shows up and

898
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:31,199
tells her what two nations, two peoples are in your womb.

899
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,679
They struggle together within the womb. There will be enmity

900
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:44,679
between the two. It says, one will be stronger than

901
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:51,800
the other, but the younger will rule over the older.

902
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,480
So this will be all kinds of red flags to

903
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:00,159
the ancient reader. And you've got to remember, folks, there

904
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:03,920
was no chapters. These were scrolls, So you had the

905
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,159
scroll of Genesis, and this was just a few paragraphs

906
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:13,079
down from the incident in the garden. So all the

907
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:16,079
stuff that happened in the garden is fresh on this

908
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:19,760
reader's mind. It was just a few paragraphs ago. Well,

909
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,559
what happens if we look at the curses from garden?

910
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:32,599
It says, I will put enmity between her seed and

911
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:39,199
thy seed, the serpent, so you can dance around it

912
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,760
and put all your you know, theology and what you

913
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,559
think around all this stuff. But it says, outright, she

914
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:52,440
has a seed, he has a seed, and that they

915
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,119
would be war and enmity between the two. And then

916
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:02,000
he says one will bruise one's head, but the other

917
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,400
will bruise the other's. What yo, hell? So a few

918
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,519
paragraphs down we have this birth of these twins. He says,

919
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,760
two nations, two peoples are in your womb. How can

920
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,719
you have two nations and two peoples in one womb?

921
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,679
He says, there will be at war at enmity with

922
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:28,280
one another. And then the birth happens, and it says,

923
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,599
first one came out red, covered in hair from head

924
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,159
to toe, like a Harry cloak, looking just like a

925
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:38,440
fertility god of the people of the time. All the

926
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,159
fertility gods were covered in here there were wild men.

927
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,039
But it says when he came out, he had to

928
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:49,519
his foot, had to push on Jacob's head to exit,

929
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:57,880
bruising the head, and then Jacob clutching the hill, bruising

930
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,679
the hill. There's no way around it. This is a

931
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,960
polaroid picture of Genesis three fifteen, just a few paragraphs

932
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:14,119
down from that cursing, Yeah right, wrong or indifferent. The

933
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:18,840
people at that time reading that text would immediately associated

934
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:21,239
Esau with the seed of the Serpent.

935
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: Wow. What a connection, man, what a connection?

936
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: Blew my mind?

937
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, this is fascinating stuff. Man, Golly, we could

938
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:40,880
talk about this for hours. Oh yeah, so you get

939
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:47,599
these huh do you think that Esau being born before

940
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:50,920
the offspring with the amalekits and all that, do you think,

941
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,480
you know, seed of the Serpent? Do you believe that

942
01:00:54,719 --> 01:01:01,079
he had any kind of abilities, powers or whatnot, you know,

943
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,880
above and beyond just normal human ones. And the reason

944
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,159
why I asked that is because he hid from Nemrod,

945
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:13,039
you know, when they were hunting him and he just

946
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:16,360
miraculously hid. And that's the one thing that you find

947
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:22,800
in modern day bigfoot lore is have this in dimensionality, cloaking,

948
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,840
mobility or whatever. Just wonder if that is in any way,

949
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,519
shape or form a connection.

950
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, it could very well be.

951
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,199
The possibility is there. But another thing too that I

952
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:40,039
think that points to the bigfoot idea was when they

953
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:43,960
wrapped up Jacob in that goat's fur, right, and anybody

954
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,880
that's ever felt or petted a goat man. That hair

955
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,920
is thick, it's oily, it's cores, it's rough. You're not

956
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,880
gonna mistake that for a hairy person's harm. I'm sorry,

957
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:00,760
there's no way around that. I mean, that's beastly, that's sasquatchy. Yeah,

958
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,320
but it says when he comes in and starts talking

959
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:10,159
to his father, he replies with I hear my son, Jacob,

960
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:18,320
but I feel my son Esau. But he says, but

961
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:26,960
you smell of the field. Therefore I know you are

962
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,559
my son Esau. And you get all these stories about

963
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,960
phantom smells and stenches with the sasquatch right.

964
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: Wow, it's all connected. Man. Along the way, I'm just

965
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:46,280
curious you start coming out with these thoughts and ideas.

966
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,559
You're talking to your buddies, you know, Hey, hey, Jim,

967
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,480
I got an idea. What do you think of this?

968
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,199
You know, going to church and people hearing you talking

969
01:02:56,239 --> 01:02:59,280
about this stuff. Along the way, was there any kind

970
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,280
of price you had to pay for having these thoughts

971
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,119
and writing them down and belief system that you know

972
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:07,760
your research has led you to.

973
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow. And I knew it when when I when

974
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,639
I found all this stuff and I was writing the book,

975
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,320
especially when it comes to the serpent seed, I was like, dude,

976
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,599
this is a hot button topic and it's very controversial.

977
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:26,440
People get I don't know what it is about it.

978
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,559
I mean, it's spiritual warfare associated with it, man, because

979
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:34,679
if you think about it, the anti Christ, right that

980
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:38,840
that's the seed of the serpent. He's hedging all of

981
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:45,519
his end time bets on this anti Christ. So of

982
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:52,599
course you would want to obscure and conceal that bloodline

983
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:56,239
best you can. And I think they've done a pretty

984
01:03:56,239 --> 01:04:02,519
good job. But when people like me start digging and

985
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:05,559
find this stuff, he comes after you.

986
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: Man.

987
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: He ostracizes you, paint you in a corner, and makes

988
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,239
you look like a crazy kook. That way, nobody listened

989
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:15,360
to you. So when I found that, I mean, this

990
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,199
is a fifteen chapter book, folks, and I mean we've

991
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:25,599
barely scratched the surface. But there's one chapter on the

992
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,800
serpent seat. And the only reason I put it in

993
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,079
there is because it's involved with the story, right, wrong

994
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:36,679
or indifferent. That's what they believed. So I'm a researcher.

995
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,360
I lay all cards on the table and then I

996
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,880
give you my opinions of those cards. That's all I did.

997
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:48,400
But I knew in the back of my head. I

998
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,880
was like, dude, you're gonna be ostracized. You're gonna be

999
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,760
kicked out of some circles, and you're not gonna be

1000
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,840
allowed back in some circles. And I'm a content creator,

1001
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,639
you know what I mean. I'm trying to write books

1002
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,079
and get on shows and talk to people and kind

1003
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:04,360
of spread my ideas and network with people. This will

1004
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:10,199
hurt me. Call it stupid, stupid pride, you know of

1005
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:15,679
a dumb redneck, or principles you know the truth. I

1006
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:17,360
don't know what you call it, but I was like

1007
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,960
something in me was like, no, you went into this

1008
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:23,159
not even believing in the serpent seed. I didn't believe

1009
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:25,920
in it, brother, I thought they were full of it.

1010
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:30,199
I laughed at them because really intelligent people that I respected,

1011
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,800
like doctor Michael Heizer, were staunchly against it. So I

1012
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,039
just took their word for it. Never looked into it myself.

1013
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:43,280
But once I looked into it for myself, I was like,

1014
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,599
I don't see how they don't see it. It's right

1015
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:50,599
there slapping you in the face. And so I was like,

1016
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:54,159
I hell with it, truth, truth. I put it out there,

1017
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,480
and I did. I paid the price. I've had certain people,

1018
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,519
no name drops, but uh big in this sphere, big,

1019
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:07,519
big audience that has talked to me and had me

1020
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,480
on their program won't let me back on their program anymore.

1021
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,880
I've had people unfriended me, disassociate with me. Uh there

1022
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:21,039
their spiritual warfare one hundred percent into uh exposing this

1023
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:22,800
darkness and calling it out.

1024
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,039
Speaker 1: Wow, You've been on a number of big programs, There's

1025
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:31,199
no doubt about that. I hate hearing that because ideas

1026
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:35,199
are you know, on this on this particular program, and

1027
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,320
I get all kinds of people on here. All right,

1028
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,840
There's there's a lot of times I don't agree with

1029
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:46,199
what's being said, but I'm not gonna sit in. This

1030
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:48,840
isn't about arguing. I don't need to argue a point,

1031
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,800
and I don't need to, you know, take time to

1032
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:57,000
point out every flaw that I that my paradigm you know, indicates,

1033
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:01,800
is this way. But sometimes I feel like I'm just

1034
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,679
learning what other people think, and sometimes it's it's nice

1035
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:09,920
to know what the other side thinks. And through it

1036
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,079
all though, the one thing I don't do is ostracized.

1037
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,199
I just I hate hearing that that happened to you.

1038
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,519
I'm sorry, And I hope that this I hope that

1039
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,039
this interview at least people will get out there and say, Okay,

1040
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,360
let's you know, let's listen to Doc, give him a

1041
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,480
chance to get the book and just kind of be

1042
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,079
able to, you know, put it into your arsenal of like,

1043
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,320
and at least you're getting in the Bible, you know,

1044
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,480
figure it out on your own. You know, it sounds

1045
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,840
like that's exactly what you did. You didn't take you know,

1046
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,639
and I love I love doctor Heiser and his work,

1047
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,719
but you know you didn't take his word on it.

1048
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,360
You went and dove in on your own. I love that, man.

1049
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,400
You know. The biggest thing about the modern church and

1050
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:56,719
belief system out there is a lot of this stuff.

1051
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,280
You just Number one, it's not taught. Number two, you

1052
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:03,199
can't talk about it. You know, it's a it's a

1053
01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:06,639
big problem, man, Because I feel like as we go

1054
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,719
down this path more and more and more. We're going

1055
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,599
to be seeing more and more and more of this

1056
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:16,760
stuff because we're getting you know, days of Noah are

1057
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,439
coming back, and this is what we're talking about. Man.

1058
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: So the revelation says that, I mean, the people at

1059
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:25,560
that time, their hearts will fail them for the sites

1060
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,319
that they see because they've ignored this stuff and not

1061
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,720
looked at it and educated themselves. Yeah, they're coming back.

1062
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:40,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, modern day Bigfoot. Just I gotta I gotta

1063
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:43,720
ask you a little bit about that modern day Bigfoot.

1064
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,720
I live in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, man, and

1065
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,720
you know, Bigfoot whatever you want to call it, momo,

1066
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,680
there's so many different versions of it, a lot of

1067
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,079
a lot of stuff. You know, you can go on

1068
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:59,800
a big Bigfoot tour around here. Yeah, a lot of stuff.

1069
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,399
Modern day big Bigfoot. Does it exist? And what do

1070
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:06,039
you think it is?

1071
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 2: I think so. And I'm not one of these people

1072
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,119
that sees black and white. I see full color. I

1073
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:19,640
don't think things are so simple to where you can say,

1074
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,319
oh it's this or oh it's that. No, it's ninety

1075
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:26,880
nine point nine percent of the time this and that

1076
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,880
a combination of the two. But I do think that

1077
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,279
my theory and what I lay out in the book

1078
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,039
ties it all up in a pretty red bow. Because

1079
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:40,479
in the Bigfoot community, and like I said, I was

1080
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,319
near a big Foot enthusiast, I'm kind of new to

1081
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:46,319
this sphere. But there's two camps. There's the flesh and

1082
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:50,199
blood camp and the spiritual camp. Well, what I'm talking

1083
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:53,840
about here ties them both together with a pretty red bow,

1084
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,680
because do I think that there are some physical flesh

1085
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,680
and blood ones left? Yeah, they might be, you know,

1086
01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:08,199
remnants from days gone by. And the legends say they're

1087
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:15,880
cave dwellers. You know, that's a huge underground railway. Wen explored,

1088
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:20,079
not even twenty thirty percent of our cave systems. So

1089
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:25,319
and people that want to say, well, if that's true,

1090
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:28,039
how come we've not killed one, how come we've not

1091
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:30,239
found one in the woods dead or this, that and

1092
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:35,119
the other. Well, I try to remind people of the panda.

1093
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,319
The panda was only discovered in the last hundred years, folks,

1094
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:42,920
But there was legends and drawings and stories about them

1095
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,119
thousands and thousands of years ago. But you know what

1096
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:51,560
people said about it, that's not real. That's fake. People

1097
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,720
tell their kids that, so they don't go too far

1098
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,600
into the woods by themselves. But then they found it,

1099
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:02,479
and pandas are dumb around a pan. They're not smart creatures.

1100
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,239
Speaker 1: People call me a penda all the time. I just realized,

1101
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:09,800
oh wow, But if you look though.

1102
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 2: The sasquatch, if it is a humanoid hybrid, like I'm

1103
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:21,800
talking about the ultimate Hunter, the mighty hunter with intelligence,

1104
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,399
you know, if a dumb panda can manage to hide

1105
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,239
and not be seen for thousands of years, I don't

1106
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:32,239
think it's a stretch to say the same thing about

1107
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:39,399
this sasquatch. But then where he marries into this Nephelong

1108
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,760
giant cleans According to the book Enoch, what does it

1109
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,119
say that they're not of heaven and not of earth?

1110
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:50,399
So when they die, their spirits remain to torment mankind.

1111
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:53,039
So I think there's where you get the Wu camp,

1112
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,880
the people that say, oh, it's not flesh and blood

1113
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,800
because it phases in and out of reality. It comes

1114
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,640
in portals. There's orbs and UFOs and mine speak all

1115
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:09,880
this other kind of you know, wacky magical type stuff. Well, yeah,

1116
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:15,000
because it's the spirits of the nepheline that are left

1117
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:18,079
to remain, and I don't think it's a far fetched

1118
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:22,000
to assume that they would want to pick a familiar form.

1119
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, fascinating, man, fascinating. Tell people why they

1120
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,359
need to read this book. Tell them why you know

1121
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,960
this matters to someone on a Monday morning, and why

1122
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,600
they need to get your book and dive into this

1123
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,640
and understand it better.

1124
01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that you need this book because

1125
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:54,439
it totally changes a lot of the main stories of

1126
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,880
the Bible, and it ties in perfectly. It answers so

1127
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:03,119
many ambiguous questions about your scripture that left you scratching

1128
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:06,119
your head, and I name just a few of them

1129
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:09,199
on this program. There's a lot more in this book,

1130
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,560
but you have to take the ancient mindset of the

1131
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,800
people and get into the original languages and into the weeds.

1132
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,680
But by reading this, I believe you're going to get

1133
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,600
a better understanding your Bible, the better understanding of the

1134
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:26,359
people of the time. It ties, if my theories are correct,

1135
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:32,720
It ties perfectly into biblical prophecy and end times. You

1136
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,800
get to see the battle of the seed wars that

1137
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:41,880
we're going through now. You even see parables of Jesus

1138
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,000
that refer directly to this seed war. But once you

1139
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,199
have this new setaglasses, you can see it. So I

1140
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:52,920
go through all that, but then I also go through

1141
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:57,760
the science. I show you, you know, the scientists know

1142
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,359
and accept this. They don't bigfoot though that they call

1143
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:05,399
it hypertrixosis. And then I go through all the legends

1144
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,600
and lore of this bigfoot. You find it everywhere Europe, Asia,

1145
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:12,479
China called it the Year, and the Europeans called it

1146
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,039
the wood wolfs. It's it's everywhere. So if it's everywhere,

1147
01:14:16,079 --> 01:14:18,079
there has to be something to it, in my opinion.

1148
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,840
But you have all that that cool stuff. But then

1149
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,960
at the same time, I end it with a good

1150
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:32,000
spiritual morale, like a lesson about how Esau was a

1151
01:14:32,039 --> 01:14:36,119
prideful man's man, and like the prodigal son, he could

1152
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:40,000
have humbled hisself and repented and come back into the

1153
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,680
family and been accepted and loved, but instead he chose rebellion.

1154
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,079
So I kind of tell people it's don't be don't

1155
01:14:48,079 --> 01:14:50,880
be an Esau, don't be stubborn and leaning on your

1156
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:57,399
own pride and favor revenge over forgiveness, or as doctor

1157
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,800
Laura Sanger says, you'll take the d path right.

1158
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,119
Speaker 1: All right, No, excuse my kiddie. She likes Bigfoot too.

1159
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,199
Tell people how they can get your book, where they

1160
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:12,039
can find it, and then also where they can connect

1161
01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:16,039
with you as far as if the website, social media,

1162
01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:16,479
any of that.

1163
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,159
Speaker 2: Well, right, first off, just thank you for having me

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on and allow me to lay this out and speak

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to your audience.

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Speaker 1: It's been fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it you.

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Speaker 1: I trust me this. Like I said, I could talk

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about this for hours, probably lose audience members just from

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but I'm telling you this is absolutely fascinating and I

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loved every second of this.

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Speaker 2: So thank you, well, thank you brother. But yeah, but

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if you guys are interested in that, here's the book

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for those that are watching. But it's the epic of Esau,

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the Birthright and Seed War. You can find this on

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Amazon for twenty bucks for the physical copy, ten for

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the digital and I just release the audio book too,

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so if you don't like to read or don't have

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time to read, you can just pop in at earbud

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and and actually have me read it to you.

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Speaker 1: Are you're the reader? Yes?

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Speaker 2: No, AI, it's me. Yeah, awesome, I'm telling you get

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this Southern drawl.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's going to make it even better.

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And I have a I'm going to be on the

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road driving thousands of miles in January, and rather than

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just listen to podcasts, I like to actually catch up

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on reading. Because I have authors on all the time,

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I can't read all their books. That that's the perfect time.

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I'm going to get the audiobook. I'm going to listen

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to it in January while I'm driving. Man, that is awesome.

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I'm excited about that because I this topic is fascinating

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to me. And do everything that you just connected, it's literally,

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like I said, you know, the my kitty, it's literally

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you know the flannel graph like I said, when you

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were in Sunday School, you know, and they just pop

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it up there, Hey, here's a esau and this is

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what happened. I love the fact that all these little

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bits of the Bible that you just kind of glossed

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over because you're like, I have no idea really what

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that means, you know. And Man, over the past two

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years of my life, more and more and more things

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just are becoming clear and I and I'm seeing them differently,

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and it sounds like this book is right up my

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alley because the deeper you get into the Bible, the

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more you realize, wow, there's there's there's so much more

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here and layers, man, and you can't you can't dig

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deep enough. So yeah, that's awesome, man.

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Speaker 2: Brother, cars like that. And my show it's called the

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Prometheus Lens Podcast. You can find that anywhere. You can

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consume content, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, by all the things, even

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the social media's and my website is Prometheus Lens podcast

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dot com. You can reach out and email me there

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and contact me there. It's like a one stop shop.

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Everything's there. And you can also find my book there

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and buy it directly from me, and I'll send out

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sign copies and I give out like a little goodie

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bag for the people that buy directly from me. You

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get some custom stickers and bookmarks and a signed book.

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Speaker 1: Awesome Prometheus Lens podcast dot com. Correct, folks, go out there,

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go out there, support him and rather than going to Amazon,

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go directly get get the goodie bag, get the signed copy. Yeah,

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go directly to the source.

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Speaker 2: Man, Bezos don't need any more money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, amen, listen, I appreciate you, brother, thank you

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so much for coming on. This has been awesome. Any

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future endeavors books, anything like that you were thinking about

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working on.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, I got so many books in my

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head that I want to write, but right now I'm

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still working full time in a factory. So uh lord

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willing I can get to doing this full time, and

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if I do, I'll have the one thing that I

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need time. So once I get that, I can do

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some more writing. And I actually I found a couple

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of documentaries too. I'm just in the middle of piecing

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them together on the weekends in my free time.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, man. Well listen, I'll be praying for your brother.

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Thank you so much. If you ever need to come

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back on talk about anything, You're always welcome. You're a

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01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,199
fascinating human being. Man. I appreciate you, and I'm going

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to read listen, I guess to your book in January

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and maybe we'll reach back out and because I know

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there's so much more to this, so I appreciate you now.

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Thank you, brother, ladies and gentlemen on only Justin and

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Doc Brown, thank you sir. All Right, folks, that's where

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we'll leave it. Whether you agree with everything discussed or not,

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01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,680
this episode challenges us to take scripture seriously as an

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01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,880
ancient text and to think beyond surface level explanations. If

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you want to support the Ryan and help keep this

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,279
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is through YouTube channel memberships, or by visiting Patreon, or

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01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,960
by visiting the Ryan Files dot com. You'll find early access,

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exclusive content, and ways to directly support the work we're

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doing all link below. I can't thank you enough. You

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folks are awesome, be amazing, to be positive and stay

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curious out there, my friends. I'll see you next time

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right here on the Ryan Files. Are you not curious? Curious? Curious?

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I present for us with great imprege and wonder.

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Speaker 2: Ryan five, Ryan Afters and