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Speaker 3: King of Podcasts dot com is a website. So last
Speaker 3: month of September was the ex Biz Conference Adult conference
Speaker 3: in Amsterdam. Over one thousand content creators at this event.
Speaker 3: The ex BIS Adult Industry Conference has been going on
Speaker 3: for decades. I didn't get to go to any of
Speaker 3: them myself, but it still happens over here in South
Speaker 3: Florida down in Miami actually goes and goes on here.
Speaker 3: It's an industry magazine and they've been connected to all
Speaker 3: the major brands that are out there in portant, from
Speaker 3: Vivid to Playboy and so on and so forth. But
Speaker 3: a lot of things came out of this conference because
Speaker 3: people were starting to feel like the porn industry is back,
Speaker 3: because the full technological evolution has brought more things for
Speaker 3: porn creators and porn distributors to go and do something
Speaker 3: with to make money off of, more common than ever.
Speaker 3: So a story coming from The Guardian back in September,
Speaker 3: and then the story came to me once again because
Speaker 3: the reporter that was on site investigating this actually did
Speaker 3: a podcast on it and we're gonna hear from her
Speaker 3: and her whole experience on it. So the annual ex
Speaker 3: Biz conference last three days, this one in particular in
Speaker 3: Amsdam in the Netherlands, bringing creators primarily but not exclusively women,
Speaker 3: together with executives primarily but not exclusively men, as well
Speaker 3: as model management agencies, online payment, traffic optimization companies, concentrating platforms,
Speaker 3: the same kind of companies that are out there, but
Speaker 3: they've all been hampered by several US codes twenty two,
Speaker 3: fifty seven and forty four to seventy two. So it
Speaker 3: was the documentation the checking of age verification of the
Speaker 3: talent that was there, and the amount of paperwork that
Speaker 3: had to go and go along with it, and the
Speaker 3: cost of having staff on deck to handle all this.
Speaker 3: So US codes twenty two, fifty seven to forty four
Speaker 3: to seventy two caused what ultimately brought a lot of
Speaker 3: things to the video industry and listen, just like the
Speaker 3: music industry, just like television and radio and all the
Speaker 3: digital disruption changed everything. Now physical copies of whatever kind
Speaker 3: of content it's out there now that you have a
Speaker 3: digitally for twenty five years plus, and then one thing
Speaker 3: that was happening when I got to go to hear
Speaker 3: about the space and I was involved in a short
Speaker 3: time doing podcasting in that space, they were in the
Speaker 3: transition going to HD higher depf Of course, we were
Speaker 3: just going into DSL internet hookups. And at that point
Speaker 3: we haven't gotten completed the point where streaming anything higher
Speaker 3: than fifty six kilobytes per second was the norm out there,
Speaker 3: So for people to go ahead and download or stream
Speaker 3: content wasn't a easy yet it had gotten out that point,
Speaker 3: we did not get to the high speed that we
Speaker 3: have today, and that was the next point was coming up.
Speaker 3: But the porn creators were going ahead of the game
Speaker 3: and making sure they had higher pixelated content, more high
Speaker 3: deff content, because the high def equipment was already out there,
Speaker 3: so everybody caught on to it early. And that's how
Speaker 3: it always kind of works. Before that's something mainstream happens.
Speaker 3: It starts important. That's what you should get. The Internet
Speaker 3: starts off with. But there's a number of things that
Speaker 3: are going on that people have learned learning about what
Speaker 3: has changed over here. Obviously, several creators that we've talked
Speaker 3: about extensively on the program since the start of this year.
Speaker 3: Lily Phillips Bonnie Blue both at this event and they
Speaker 3: spoke with The Guardian. First of all, Lily Phillips was
Speaker 3: in the lobby when this young lady immediate gentleman caught
Speaker 3: up with her in the lobby becoming famous after filming
Speaker 3: herself having sex with one hundred men and a day.
Speaker 3: She said quote, I'm just here for a good time,
Speaker 3: and she was dressed down in a cream tracksuit. And
Speaker 3: since yourviral, another British creator, Bonnie Blue, has claimed to
Speaker 3: us with more than one thousand men in a day
Speaker 3: twelve hours to because Act one fifty seven Phillips had
Speaker 3: to come up with a new way to grab people's attention.
Speaker 3: The answer widowers. She revealed plans to film herself sleeping
Speaker 3: with large numbers of them, and the extreme attempts to
Speaker 3: recruit paying subscribers can be risky. There was an only
Speaker 3: Fans That creator, an Australian creator that was hospitalized earlier
Speaker 3: filming a challenge where she had sex with five hundred
Speaker 3: andy three men in one day. I believe it was
Speaker 3: Lindsay Night and Lily Fillips says she's contemplating creating an
Speaker 3: AI bot of her spell to create sell photos of
Speaker 3: fans to reduce her workload. And some middle film producers
Speaker 3: are relaxed about the risk of AIM making their work obsolete.
Speaker 3: That was the part they were all afraid of, was
Speaker 3: that they were gonna be able to still do things
Speaker 3: in the age of porn. And if you were looking
Speaker 3: for it out there, AI content is now there for you.
Speaker 3: Remember before you see the AI content is being developed
Speaker 3: and built now in main stream for memes or for
Speaker 3: you know, funny videos or whatever there is. It started important.
Speaker 3: Remember it always starts there. So there were two British entrepreneurs,
Speaker 3: Felix Henderson and Nick Young talking about their new Digital
Speaker 3: Twins Company, saying quote, we were all freaking the f
Speaker 3: out about this two years ago and that we were
Speaker 3: to the point now that we're no longer worried to
Speaker 3: a I will replace real humans on screen. Quote we
Speaker 3: sell seratonin cortisol double mean, we're all about emotions. I
Speaker 3: think there's no threat to creators. So now what their
Speaker 3: Digital Twins Company is the licensed celebrity voices and a
Speaker 3: portfolio of old photographs and your career heydays programming the
Speaker 3: resulting avatars to undress. The site will enable women to
Speaker 3: prolong their careers, mitigating the alarming threat of aging quote
Speaker 3: alarming on a lot of the fans are relatively fickle.
Speaker 3: Some creators like the idea of having their image frosen
Speaker 3: in time, and they want to continue to earn money
Speaker 3: in this. So they like the idea they can effectively
Speaker 3: earn off how they appear today and give themselves the
Speaker 3: career longevity they don't necessarily have. So yeah, unlike Hollywood
Speaker 3: does not want to go and have the AI types
Speaker 3: like Tilly Norwood. If you didn't hear My Broadcasters podcast
Speaker 3: last week, take a listen. There's the whole storm brewing
Speaker 3: about Tillie Norwood, this AI actress that is possibly looking
Speaker 3: to find an agent in Hollywood to become an actress
Speaker 3: for movies and television. They all go on to say
Speaker 3: down that the AI business they have around has the
Speaker 3: happy side effect of liberating women from they still stigmatized
Speaker 3: business of taking their clothes off for money.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 3: I would say it's the most positive ethical step forward
Speaker 3: that you could possibly make. Now, I want to play
Speaker 3: a little bit of Amelia speaking about this on a
Speaker 3: recent podcast called The Guardian Audio long Reads podcast. First
Speaker 3: of all, in this story, she starts talking about being
Speaker 3: at the conference and previously over a decade ago when
Speaker 3: she went to this particular conference, everybody was completely doom
Speaker 3: and gloom, and then things changed. So let me go
Speaker 3: ahead and play back what she was saying about that
Speaker 3: and what has changed so much in the last decade.
Speaker 2: So, Amelia, you decided to go to Amsterdam to what
Speaker 2: sounds like quite an extraordinary conference. It was actually the
Speaker 2: first time that you've been to this gathering, was it?
Speaker 4: So I went to an exper's conference just over a
Speaker 4: decade ago in London in a really depressing hotel in
Speaker 4: a window list basement, and then there was an atmosphere
Speaker 4: of total gloom within the industry because all of the
Speaker 4: owners of adult companies were very concerned that the arrival
Speaker 4: of streaming of pornography online, the arrival of sites like Pornhub,
Speaker 4: totally destroyed the business model and that there wasn't very
Speaker 4: much money to be made in the industry.
Speaker 2: And this time around, I mean it's in just eleven
Speaker 2: years since you attended that first conference, the industry has
Speaker 2: changed almost beyond recognition.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been a hugely radical shift in that decade.
Speaker 4: We've seen a completely new way for the pornography industry
Speaker 4: to monetize itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is so much money to be made
Speaker 2: because more and more people are watching porn. There was
Speaker 2: a Yugov survey two years ago which found that half
Speaker 2: of all British men watch porn fifteen percent of women,
Speaker 2: including no doubt many listeners of this podcast, and many
Speaker 2: of them are watching via a relatively new player in
Speaker 2: the industry, Only fans.
Speaker 3: And we'll talk more about that in the morment, because
Speaker 3: the only fans aspect is still fascinating overall, and we're
Speaker 3: talking about in nine years. Okay, the stokely family put
Speaker 3: this together as social media site to upload videos of
Speaker 3: their hobbies and again when there's a spot they're go
Speaker 3: and put porn here we go. And really what created
Speaker 3: the buzz of all this, unfortunately was COVID. Hey listen,
Speaker 3: when you have people at home and they can't go
Speaker 3: out and for someone, when they can't go and make
Speaker 3: the business of having to sell their bodies or to
Speaker 3: do some you know, to pray to the Baucher's things
Speaker 3: to go ahead and make a living. Well when they
Speaker 3: were able to find out, they go and do the
Speaker 3: kind of content they could want to do inside their
Speaker 3: home and the privacy of your own home with nobody
Speaker 3: finding out about them, and keep it as simple as possible.
Speaker 3: There was an audience for it for amateur content especially.
Speaker 3: This is also of the fact that we had things
Speaker 3: going on where the likes of porn Hub and Backpage
Speaker 3: and Craigslist, all these sites they got rid of all
Speaker 3: the adult content. So coincides with all this, President Trump
Speaker 3: comes in and he makes changes to adult content. So Craigslist,
Speaker 3: no more dating sites, no more dating sections in there,
Speaker 3: nothing for you know, massage parlors or if we building
Speaker 3: to can you know, make a hook up things like
Speaker 3: that because there was they said there was things of
Speaker 3: sex trafficking. There was going on all these sites. Backpage
Speaker 3: obviously that was a site for escorts, for a different
Speaker 3: content creation for different models or whatever you want on
Speaker 3: different services that are all dull services out there locally
Speaker 3: in your area. That got thrown away. And then towards
Speaker 3: the end of the term for that President Trump, porn
Speaker 3: Hub would get caught up in the credit card issues
Speaker 3: and the likes of American Express, and I think we
Speaker 3: semsterc all took away the ability to go ahead and
Speaker 3: swipe credit cards on that site. And I was a
Speaker 3: crackdown on Pornhub we talked about on this program where
Speaker 3: it happened and never recover from that. But now there's
Speaker 3: a point where there are still various sites out there
Speaker 3: that have content you can buy, you know, a la
Speaker 3: carte whatever you want, interact with those fans out there.
Speaker 3: There's a number of sites to go and do that
Speaker 3: kind of thing in the same vein that only fans does.
Speaker 3: Except there are some professional types that are out there
Speaker 3: doing their content that you know, they put a lot
Speaker 3: of work into it and stage and a framing and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. And then there are girls
Speaker 3: on Only Fans that you know, they don't really have
Speaker 3: to go and do much of anything. It just depends
Speaker 3: on how much work they want to put into it,
Speaker 3: and are they really working with anybody else to do
Speaker 3: the content. No, but people willing to go ahead and
Speaker 3: pay a subscription price to have content they can find
Speaker 3: on there. What's the interesting part too, is that you
Speaker 3: never see what there is, like there's no preview section
Speaker 3: for anything on OnlyFans. I'm still surprised how some people
Speaker 3: do it, because if you know who the model is,
Speaker 3: then you're willing to go and subscribe and hope for
Speaker 3: whatever that person's doing. You blind faith and think, well
Speaker 3: you're gonna get something you're gonna like from them, And
Speaker 3: that's what happens. But it doesn't matter what it is,
Speaker 3: because it's a guy gooning or simping over a model
Speaker 3: that they like. And when she goes in and they
Speaker 3: learn about her, well, she's a content creator from some
Speaker 3: other rain, whether it's Sophie Rain, whether it's Little Tay
Speaker 3: or you know, whether it's Bad Baby whatever. They all
Speaker 3: find themselves on those sites. And if she's going to
Speaker 3: be seen, possibly naked, they're going to be on there
Speaker 3: for it, and that's what happens. And here's the part
Speaker 3: as everything's all changed in back in twenty twenty, when
Speaker 3: these two women on this podcast talked about the change
Speaker 3: of going into the idea of doing OnlyFans content.
Speaker 1: Back in January twenty twenty, I started my only Fans account.
Speaker 1: I soon began to make about fifteen k monthly on
Speaker 1: the platform, with a grand total of over two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars made within the last two to three years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's only funds. Admirers would
Speaker 2: say that it's democratized porn. It empowers women because it
Speaker 2: gives them much more control over their content, and it
Speaker 2: allows them to keep a much larger percentage of the
Speaker 2: money that they charge for making I think they don't.
Speaker 2: They get eighty percent. I think that's right.
Speaker 4: A lot of the women involved in creating the content
Speaker 4: now will say that the whole industry has shifted in
Speaker 4: their favor, so that previously a decade ago, twenty years ago,
Speaker 4: most of the power lay in the hands of the
Speaker 4: mostly men who owned the studios, who recruited the women
Speaker 4: to work, who auditioned and cast women. But now there's
Speaker 4: been a dramatic shift towards women because they are getting
Speaker 4: eighty percent of the revenues for whatever they produce for OnlyFans.
Speaker 3: And eighty percent if you want the industry to go.
Speaker 3: This is the thing that happened too in the porn
Speaker 3: industry that made the change because there was a set skill,
Speaker 3: because there was a set price, and you had all
Speaker 3: these people managing the content that was being made and
Speaker 3: crew and produced. I mean, no matter how much the
Speaker 3: professional environment was and how they were treated, but doing
Speaker 3: everything your own home and the amount of money that
Speaker 3: you can make and you can keep eighty percent of it,
Speaker 3: I mean, there were not That's what is the draw
Speaker 3: for women of all ages and all different areas to
Speaker 3: go on the only fans. The thing is you've created
Speaker 3: an open platform for anybody to become a porn star,
Speaker 3: because that's what every woman can go and become, and
Speaker 3: a can a prize to be she wants to be
Speaker 3: able to go and get the potential of a lot
Speaker 3: of money. Because women will come in with a delusion
Speaker 3: to think that they're worth a lot. They see that
Speaker 3: eighty percent return on what they make, they think, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: I can make all this money and eighty percent of
Speaker 3: it's going to be mine. But then someone get on
Speaker 3: the grind and they find out if it's truer like
Speaker 3: that or not. They're going to talk about the fact that,
Speaker 3: you know, for OnlyFans, it's like being an uber driver.
Speaker 3: And I can attest to this because I do it
Speaker 3: part time. You clock in when you want to, you
Speaker 3: clock off when you want to. And the argument goes,
Speaker 3: it's more empowering for women, and Amelia went to the
Speaker 3: conference here to try to understand where the power really
Speaker 3: lies now. They also go on to talk about the
Speaker 3: areas of why women are doing this now and what
Speaker 3: is really the advantage of doing this at all because
Speaker 3: of the fact that the young women want to be
Speaker 3: able to go and still get by and the easiest
Speaker 3: way possible. So they look at this here and they say, okay,
Speaker 3: this is the means to an end. They want to
Speaker 3: go into this part and this is where the influencerr
Speaker 3: aspect of all this not just for a girl that's
Speaker 3: doing dance challenges or is a model and she wants
Speaker 3: to show off for whatever job is, and this and
Speaker 3: that the whole looking out there and see what she's doing.
Speaker 3: The same thing goes here. So in this Guardian podcast
Speaker 3: they go on to go and talk about the lack
Speaker 3: of dignity they say of working a normal job.
Speaker 1: But if you go to a normal workplace, there is
Speaker 1: not much dignity for the younger generations because you're earning
Speaker 1: very little money and you put your rents and you
Speaker 1: put your food and you run out of money. And
Speaker 1: that is not dignity because you cannot choose to have
Speaker 1: a bigger house to have a family, like if you
Speaker 1: want to have one, two, three kids, you can't.
Speaker 3: Now that's somebody for the ex Biz conference, one of
Speaker 3: the content creators there that does it all content. This
Speaker 3: is nothing different, not too far fetter, and what regular
Speaker 3: women think right now, how they feel about it, because
Speaker 3: that's the mindset they get right now. And for women
Speaker 3: that believe they have that beauty, they have the body,
Speaker 3: they have an appeal to an audience out there. If
Speaker 3: they're able to put their stuff out there, and they
Speaker 3: hopefully will, then they think there's a chance they can
Speaker 3: get any more out of it. And this same model
Speaker 3: they kept talking to about here on this podcast, and
Speaker 3: they talk about you know, coming to the idea of
Speaker 3: you know, not being so prude about it and feel like,
Speaker 3: well it's okay if I do this. I mean finding
Speaker 3: an acceptance to doing this.
Speaker 4: She also talked about the real sense of pressure she
Speaker 4: felt under to produce a lot of content all the time.
Speaker 4: She says it's not easy. She says that there's an
Speaker 4: idea that making money on OnlyFans is just a question
Speaker 4: of taking your clothes off, of having no inhibitions and
Speaker 4: being happy about being nwed on camera. But actually it isn't.
Speaker 4: It's a lot more difficul and it requires long hours
Speaker 4: and a lot of actually quite exhausting work. She was
Speaker 4: quite ill when I met her and said she was
Speaker 4: suffering from burnout.
Speaker 3: Well, but that's the part that nobody gets to hear
Speaker 3: about about how some of these contregreators putting out a
Speaker 3: lot of massive amount of content to try to satisfy
Speaker 3: and keep up an income stream. What they want to
Speaker 3: have is very different.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: They go on to talk about Lily Philips and Bonnie
Speaker 3: Blue and the setup there and what the impact of
Speaker 3: what those two young women have done right now in.
Speaker 2: The dustries so far, and it was such a big
Speaker 2: deal just last year when Lily Phillips did that stunt.
Speaker 2: But she's been thoroughly eclipsed, really, hasn't she by other
Speaker 2: content creators, notably Bonnie Blue. Many listeners might have watched
Speaker 2: the Channel four documentary about her when she's trying to
Speaker 2: have sex with one thousand men in a day and
Speaker 2: even that isn't enough, then she has to say, I'm
Speaker 2: going to try and have sex with X number of virgins.
Speaker 2: So yeah, just seeing that people are being pushed towards
Speaker 2: ever more extreme material.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, And there's obviously an inherent risk in
Speaker 4: some of these stunts which are portrayeders empowering for the
Speaker 4: women who are performing them. But an Australian OnlyFans creator
Speaker 4: was hospitalized earlier this year after she filmed a challenge
Speaker 4: where she had sex with five hundred and eighty three
Speaker 4: men in one day and was taken to a hospital
Speaker 4: with exhaustion. She said, I think my body just finally
Speaker 4: had enough.
Speaker 3: Now this is the part where the escalation and listen,
Speaker 3: the poor thing that she doesn't care. They'll take as
Speaker 3: many models as they can. The thing is it's the
Speaker 3: platform owners. I don't know if the industry's really making
Speaker 3: so much in the kind of creation. Well, they're really
Speaker 3: making the money off of is having the platforms to
Speaker 3: go and do it, having you know, the credit card processes.
Speaker 3: That's technology platforms, because there's other sites besides only fans
Speaker 3: out there providing the same kind of content. So if
Speaker 3: they're out there to doing that and you leave these
Speaker 3: women to their demise to go on and do what
Speaker 3: they want to do with these with the content and
Speaker 3: try to figure things out. They're going to figure it
Speaker 3: out themselves and see what they can do. Is it
Speaker 3: worth it? That's where women want to go and find
Speaker 3: out about that. Do they feel like this is going
Speaker 3: to be something that at the end of the day
Speaker 3: they can really make something of a lucrative living? And
Speaker 3: that's the dream of you know, not needing man, not
Speaker 3: needing anyone else in their life. They could be independent
Speaker 3: modern women and live as they want and just use
Speaker 3: their body as they do without anybody having to be
Speaker 3: involved in it. Because that's the perfect world for a
Speaker 3: woman in the modern day today. So can it be done? Well?
Speaker 3: These two are talking about the fact that the dream
Speaker 3: is alive and well for those that put their mind
Speaker 3: to it, and why should they well they talk.
Speaker 2: About it well, I mean why can't you just believe
Speaker 2: what they're what they're saying. Why can't you believe that
Speaker 2: maybe it is, you know, much better than doing a
Speaker 2: dead end, minimum wage job. That they choose their hours,
Speaker 2: they only put out content that they have approved, and
Speaker 2: they're taking a big cut of all of the money
Speaker 2: that they make.
Speaker 4: So I think absolutely, for a percentage of women who
Speaker 4: do OnlyFans work, it is lucrative. People have described making
Speaker 4: millions in a relatively short period of time, But I
Speaker 4: think you have to scratch away at how common those
Speaker 4: experiences are, And I think the thing that I found
Speaker 4: really disconcerting, I suppose about the conference is the real
Speaker 4: mismatch between the very benign sort of content that most
Speaker 4: of the women were talking about and then the content
Speaker 4: that you see on sites like porn Hub that don't
Speaker 4: have a paywall so you can see them once you've
Speaker 4: gone through age verification, very very swift, and they portray
Speaker 4: a kind of pornography that's completely different, often very violent,
Speaker 4: very misogynistic, showing a lot of disturbing content around fantasy, incest,
Speaker 4: and borderline illegal kind of hinting at child sex abuse material.
Speaker 4: So I suppose what I'm trying to say is that
Speaker 4: there was a very sanitized picture of the industry being promoted.
Speaker 4: But I think you have to kind of keep an
Speaker 4: eye on the wider nature of their business.
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's a point that be made there is
Speaker 3: that the old way of porn is not there anymore,
Speaker 3: as she's saying here, more sanitized by the way. The
Speaker 3: podcast I need to go and give courtesy to this.
Speaker 3: It's The Guardian's audio long Reads program that aired on
Speaker 3: September thirtieth, and again reporter Amelia Gentlemen offering your first
Speaker 3: hand account of the porn industry's dynamic transformation after being
Speaker 3: at several vers is notably the one that we're talking
Speaker 3: about here is the Expisital industry conference in Amsterdam. So
Speaker 3: now going back to that, the change of porn today
Speaker 3: where it's not a lot of men in the around
Speaker 3: the set setting this up. The ideas might be male,
Speaker 3: male created and thought out. Where the women are able,
Speaker 3: they're going to do something else where it's they're in
Speaker 3: on empowerment their own content. They might be able to
Speaker 3: They might obviously take feedback from their viewers, their subscribers,
Speaker 3: but for the most part, it's like, well, they're only
Speaker 3: going to do what they're gonna do. So it's a
Speaker 3: different style of porn. And if that's your bag, that's fine,
Speaker 3: but you know, women are not going to go back
Speaker 3: to how it was. There's still that kind of content
Speaker 3: out there. Some people are still doing it, but you're
Speaker 3: not getting any big studios that are doing that kind
Speaker 3: of thing anymore, like those days are gone. And that's
Speaker 3: the part that I think makes the industry more welcoming
Speaker 3: than ever before. And that's why there's now a boom
Speaker 3: once again in this industry once again, and that's where
Speaker 3: I think it's all coming from. But where you got
Speaker 3: to be in it is in the AI realm, creating
Speaker 3: that context. That's where the content creation can be done
Speaker 3: for newer creators, for big professional creators, they're going to
Speaker 3: create AI systems, models and technology to be able to
Speaker 3: go and go to that. Meanwhile, they're in real life,
Speaker 3: real persona driven will be the only fans generation it's
Speaker 3: going to be causing that. So if you're gonna have
Speaker 3: that other group of people, mostly men, that are gonna
Speaker 3: want to have something that's much more stimulating and not
Speaker 3: amateur but much more professional and take away the whole
Speaker 3: idea of well if I'm not gonna go look for
Speaker 3: some random woman that everybody else is looking at. I
Speaker 3: want to have my own, because now there's a personalization
Speaker 3: of AI girlfriends. That's the next part in this whole
Speaker 3: systems in play as well. Now Amili would also go
Speaker 3: to the test conference in Prague, and I want to
Speaker 3: go ahead and let them go ahead and explain what
Speaker 3: was going on at this conference, because this is the
Speaker 3: part where AI comes in. This is the extra extra
Speaker 3: level of what changes now in the industry AI and
Speaker 3: what it's doing right now in the porn industry. Let's
Speaker 3: go ahead and bring that.
Speaker 2: Up real quick.
Speaker 4: It was a very very different vibe, very tech bro
Speaker 4: in atmosphere, and a lot of emerging AI adult industry
Speaker 4: content producers, so companies that are making completely new form
Speaker 4: of pornography. I saw a lot of organizations that are
Speaker 4: trying to make money out of creating AI girlfriends, which
Speaker 4: is kind of an euphemism for AI bots who will
Speaker 4: take their clothes off and perform explicit acts, but completely
Speaker 4: without the involvement of any human It's a bit like
Speaker 4: a kind of evil of playing video games for teenagers.
Speaker 4: And the technology is good enough so far that you
Speaker 4: can get up to about six seconds, but not beyond.
Speaker 4: But it's getting faster very quickly, and they think it
Speaker 4: will be just a matter of months before you can
Speaker 4: have hour long capacity for AI content, which is good.
Speaker 3: Now this is already getting brought up because of the
Speaker 3: fact that there is a sexualization in video games an anime. Look,
Speaker 3: I mean in any anime I've watched out there, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's incredible what we're seeing now. What's popular anime? Okay,
Speaker 3: whether it's Demon Slayered right now, that's out. With this
Speaker 3: movie which I did go see in the theater, whether
Speaker 3: it's One Piece, whether it's Dragon Ball Z. You have
Speaker 3: some sexualized characters embedded throughout all these different series. In
Speaker 3: the main of themselves, you have the content, you actually
Speaker 3: have the written you know, watch read, and then you
Speaker 3: go to the anime and you see it animated for
Speaker 3: you and there are people that are getting off on it.
Speaker 3: Then you could tell that the Japanese animators there of
Speaker 3: course playing into the sensibilities of these younger men, teenagers,
Speaker 3: twenty thirties that are all into it, and they had
Speaker 3: this storyline whereas some empowering guys you know, oh, look
Speaker 3: to get to the girl this and that the girls
Speaker 3: are very submissive, very very feminine. All that going on
Speaker 3: makes a big difference here. Now, I want to go
Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty three when I did an episode
Speaker 3: of the Prinetive roxerss for the folks at dream GF
Speaker 3: and we were talking about this technology being brought to life.
Speaker 3: So it's going to bring that back and play that clip.
Speaker 3: Some of that they've already wanted to always be with
Speaker 3: some crush of their somebody they've always they might have
Speaker 3: been stuck in their friend zone with, or they might
Speaker 3: have you know, hopefully had a chance to be with
Speaker 3: before that it's a chance to you know, get back
Speaker 3: together with again in some way shape or formed. It
Speaker 3: was like, you know, somebody they already met before, but
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, the meny with a meesia this
Speaker 3: time and it's like a reset, a whole mental reset
Speaker 3: of starting back over again. There's no screwing up with
Speaker 3: AI girlfriends. That's the part. That's also part. And then
Speaker 3: when that AI girlfriend has a language learning to go
Speaker 3: ahead and get to know the person talking to them,
Speaker 3: that human person, that guy this is George Mark and
Speaker 3: Jeff Dillen to talk with with DREAMGF dot Ai and
Speaker 3: they spoke more about this and where the dating idea
Speaker 3: comes from, where a guy that's down on his luck
Speaker 3: would be really interested in an AI girlfriend.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you could take the similar features that you
Speaker 5: have with these people, then you can kind of create
Speaker 5: your character based on those watches and then you can say, hey,
Speaker 5: she has this kind of personality, right, and then you're like,
Speaker 5: all right, let me set her personality like this, and
Speaker 5: you can kind of configure that to that person that
Speaker 5: you have in mind. One issue is you kind of
Speaker 5: want to ward the uploid pictures because they may ever
Speaker 5: figures out that you some of the data.
Speaker 3: So now the idea is that when you can have
Speaker 3: have an AI girlfriend like this, and the plan is
Speaker 3: then you can go ahead and make her into the
Speaker 3: right personality look like somebody that you see that remassembles
Speaker 3: somebody on either as a celebrity or an only fans
Speaker 3: model or whatever there is, you can then create the
Speaker 3: perfect one for you. The fact we're gonna get that
Speaker 3: point and the fact that it's gonna be just a
Speaker 3: matter of time before guys could opt and there's the
Speaker 3: part that's gonna be a problem. What are they going
Speaker 3: to do have sex. They're gonna just you know, diddle
Speaker 3: themselves to these AI girlfriends. The human interaction's gone. I mean,
Speaker 3: is that where we want to go with this? Because
Speaker 3: part of this too is that Okay, porn's come back,
Speaker 3: but is it for the best thing. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: a thing where you know, it was a rite of
Speaker 3: passage if you did watch porn, because then you would
Speaker 3: kind of get an idea. Okay, it is what sex
Speaker 3: is like, and this is what you know getting turned
Speaker 3: on too, But you don't stay on it because you
Speaker 3: hope that you get the real thing. That's the part.
Speaker 3: But now this continues to go along this technology, the
Speaker 3: porn industry now is going to still play and prey
Speaker 3: on people that are gonna want to get their drogs off.
Speaker 3: And to the contract creators that are willing to go
Speaker 3: and do the content that's going to draw the masses,
Speaker 3: they're not gonna worry about that part. And that's what
Speaker 3: is concerning about all this. I want to take one
Speaker 3: last clip from Amelia from this audio long reached podcast
Speaker 3: from the Guardian, and she just gives a final take
Speaker 3: on all this real quick here. I thought we'd going
Speaker 3: to listen to this real quick because she explains where
Speaker 3: AI is going to change the industry is remarkable and
Speaker 3: where porn will be seen in the future now in
Speaker 3: the coming years and decades.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, I think that the speed
Speaker 4: with which AI is changing the industry is remarkable. Pornography
Speaker 4: is hugely underscrutinized. It's a growing business globally. We've seen
Speaker 4: huge changes in how the business model is working. We
Speaker 4: know that the adult industry often pushes forward technological advances
Speaker 4: that follow in other industries afterwards. And I think the
Speaker 4: fact is that there's a kind of real reluctance from
Speaker 4: the media and often from politicians as well, to scrutinize
Speaker 4: this industry because there's a kind of double taboo. People
Speaker 4: feel understandably very embarrassed talking about it, and they're also
Speaker 4: quite worried about being accused of being prudish if they
Speaker 4: find anything to disapprove of. And yet you know there
Speaker 4: are things there that are genuinely in need of scrutiny.
Speaker 4: In Britain, we're seeing huge regulatory changes going on about
Speaker 4: how we manage this enormous amount of online content that
Speaker 4: hasn't been properly regulated for decades.
Speaker 3: Right. So the thing is, I mean scrutinizing people that
Speaker 3: want to go ahead and be interested in porn. Well,
Speaker 3: I guess I don't have that problem because I've been
Speaker 3: talking about this as a regular, ongoing, rotating subject that
Speaker 3: prays to the butchers for a while. And you know what,
Speaker 3: that's the reason I did the program in the first place,
Speaker 3: because this is something that doesn't get talked about. But
Speaker 3: the adults I never gets talked about at all, never
Speaker 3: called it porn. It was always adult, and it was
Speaker 3: always fascinating about the people that were in that industry.
Speaker 3: By the way, my experience in all those conferences that
Speaker 3: Amelia's talking about, the people are so nice. I asked
Speaker 3: some of the best times possible. There's no nothing sex
Speaker 3: related over there. Really. I mean, yeah, there's sex, you know,
Speaker 3: involved in terms of what their content is. But at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you get really nice people
Speaker 3: that are out there, which is the best part. Like
Speaker 3: I mean, I met couples, I met you know, people
Speaker 3: young and old that are into the space, just laid
Speaker 3: back and just having to good old time. I'm with
Speaker 3: it and pretty cool about it. But that was the
Speaker 3: real thing. I really enjoyed it. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of cool, amazing people in the industry, and you know,
Speaker 3: now you get a lot of tech bros that a
Speaker 3: in there that are looking to find their way to
Speaker 3: enter the race of AI so that when they're trying
Speaker 3: to do porn, the George Marks and the Jeff Dillons
Speaker 3: in the world are working hard to get themselves where
Speaker 3: they are. I remember I talked to them two years
Speaker 3: ago on this program, and you know, I see their
Speaker 3: stuff right now. They are moving along quickly. And remember
Speaker 3: at that time when I did that interview, I still
Speaker 3: don't forget. Of course they're the dream girlfriends. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, they had a substitute site that was
Speaker 3: also being built that was going to be a porn
Speaker 3: component because it was not going to be you're looking
Speaker 3: for an AI girlfriend just to go and have a
Speaker 3: relationship with. No, You're going to find a girl that
Speaker 3: you can do whatever things you want to have with
Speaker 3: as you're cheating on anybody. It's like, come on, you know,
Speaker 3: but this is all that was happening. I was fascinated
Speaker 3: by it, and now two years later, I'm not surprised
Speaker 3: by it. It's gonna happen. My problem is gonna be
Speaker 3: it's just gonna replace sex overall for men. And that's
Speaker 3: the thing I'm really worry about, and I want guys
Speaker 3: out there to not feel like this is what's gonna
Speaker 3: be in their point. And so the other part that
Speaker 3: we're talking about was the other kind of content that's
Speaker 3: out there, that's still being done because the original porn
Speaker 3: industry is just going farther and farther into the gravity
Speaker 3: in the bauchery, trying to find things that will you know,
Speaker 3: basically you're being continueds desensitized. What more can we do
Speaker 3: out there to really keep people to engage in her content?
Speaker 3: Like how much farther can we go past bukhaki or
Speaker 3: cuckolding or all these other things that are going on.
Speaker 3: So they bring up in the story from the Guardian
Speaker 3: about that the porn hub homepage, you could come away
Speaker 3: from the most of the expist panels thinking of the
Speaker 3: material under discussion is mostly naked cuddles mixed up with
Speaker 3: some curious erotic cosplay. But some of the homepage of
Speaker 3: power hub has a different picture. You know, it's extreme
Speaker 3: throat f no mercy for her throat, huge bulge incest
Speaker 3: fantasies or rife. Stepdaddy f my versin a hole on
Speaker 3: my boyfriend's birthday. Patt, eighteen year old Asian bondage. I
Speaker 3: teach my little subsistor how to put on the cell
Speaker 3: phone and end up effing her hard video teaser clips
Speaker 3: showing women with skin that seems painfully read by slapping,
Speaker 3: and it's misogynists to constantly say she loves being used
Speaker 3: like meat and it looks violent and painful, but delicate
Speaker 3: seems curiously disinclined to discuss this. So they were brung
Speaker 3: up on the part about step dads. And that's where
Speaker 3: there's a lot of these of the younger barely legal
Speaker 3: content that's out there, which are barely legal concentrators that
Speaker 3: are still coming to the space finding their way in.
Speaker 3: And it's the you know, daddy to the daughter dynamic
Speaker 3: kind of stuff that's going on that's still going on here.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's something I want to deal with either.
Speaker 3: But again that's the hardcore stuff that's out here. What
Speaker 3: we're actually getting in a lot of ways is the
Speaker 3: next generation is going to be subject to more soft
Speaker 3: core kind of content. I mean, unless they get these
Speaker 3: ci models to go and do something that's really hardcore
Speaker 3: that's going to satisfy the users. But the part is
Speaker 3: that now behind the paywall, you still have the stepdaddy content,
Speaker 3: and that's what we're talking about here, is that, and
Speaker 3: you know, there's still a market for it. So the
Speaker 3: traditional market of the porn industry is still being managed
Speaker 3: while the new generation of AI content and OnlyFans models
Speaker 3: is coming into play. So the digital disruption, just like
Speaker 3: everything else, there's the traditional model that's still going on
Speaker 3: towards this end, and then the new generation, the digit
Speaker 3: age is already well in play and contines to move
Speaker 3: along until it basically pushes the traditional model away and
Speaker 3: all that kind of content goes by the wayside because
Speaker 3: there won't be anybody else that's going to do it
Speaker 3: because all the money will be on the digital side.
Speaker 3: And that's what's happening now. But yes, so those that
Speaker 3: kind of content to talking about right there, the stepdaddy
Speaker 3: kind of content. Yeah, there are sites just like porn
Speaker 3: hubb that are out there doing the same kind of
Speaker 3: content and it's all out there. There's fetish content, there's
Speaker 3: so much more that still goes on. But yes, the
Speaker 3: stepdaddy content, that's the real hard core stuff. That's what
Speaker 3: to talk about now. It's still in play and has
Speaker 3: to be noticed so for them. For this reporter, she
Speaker 3: wanted to point it out to the xbiz crowd, and
Speaker 3: they weren't paying much with it. They weren't paying much
Speaker 3: attention to it. They just kind of let it go.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, there are so
Speaker 3: many different ways that porn is still now very much
Speaker 3: alive and well in the world, especially online. It's always
Speaker 3: been around more than ever and these days, you know,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do? I mean, I'm curious to
Speaker 3: the fan base out here. For the listeners, what are
Speaker 3: you watching now these days that is interesting to you
Speaker 3: of the new digital content? Like I mean, is there
Speaker 3: an interest in only fans models? Has there any anybody
Speaker 3: been out there yet that has started to tinker with
Speaker 3: AI girlfriends? I want to know about that. I'd love
Speaker 3: to go ahead and find out if you've got yourself
Speaker 3: into that, and more importantly, share with me and let
Speaker 3: me know if you really are to Pray and the
Speaker 3: Bodgers