WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:02.439 Podcasting since two thousand and five. 2 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:07.080 This is the King of Podcasts radio network, Kingopodcasts dot com. 3 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:11.720 What do OnlyFans, ei girlfriends and stepdads all have in common? 4 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:12.720 A new age of. 5 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.160 We're all a little depraved and debaucheris here is the 6 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.480 King of Podcasts. 7 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:26.320 This is one of those stories I just caught on 8 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:30.920 too only the other day because it finally came to fruition. 9 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:33.280 And it's because you know, it's not all when I 10 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:36.840 go to the Guardian magazine or newspaper to go ahead 11 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:38.799 and hear and read a lot of stories that are 12 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:41.640 out there that might be interesting for this depraved than 13 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.920 the Bocher's audience. Thank you for listening to the program. 14 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:49.280 King of Podcasts dot com is a website. So last 15 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:55.399 month of September was the ex Biz Conference Adult conference 16 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:03.479 in Amsterdam. Over one thousand content creators at this event. 17 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.439 The ex BIS Adult Industry Conference has been going on 18 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.760 for decades. I didn't get to go to any of 19 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:13.599 them myself, but it still happens over here in South 20 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:16.079 Florida down in Miami actually goes and goes on here. 21 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:21.200 It's an industry magazine and they've been connected to all 22 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.040 the major brands that are out there in portant, from 23 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:28.159 Vivid to Playboy and so on and so forth. But 24 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.040 a lot of things came out of this conference because 25 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:35.879 people were starting to feel like the porn industry is back, 26 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:43.400 because the full technological evolution has brought more things for 27 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.319 porn creators and porn distributors to go and do something 28 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:51.200 with to make money off of, more common than ever. 29 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.560 So a story coming from The Guardian back in September, 30 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.519 and then the story came to me once again because 31 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:02.200 the reporter that was on site investigating this actually did 32 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.560 a podcast on it and we're gonna hear from her 33 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:09.680 and her whole experience on it. So the annual ex 34 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:13.080 Biz conference last three days, this one in particular in 35 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:17.800 Amsdam in the Netherlands, bringing creators primarily but not exclusively women, 36 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:21.560 together with executives primarily but not exclusively men, as well 37 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:26.159 as model management agencies, online payment, traffic optimization companies, concentrating platforms, 38 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:28.639 the same kind of companies that are out there, but 39 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:34.400 they've all been hampered by several US codes twenty two, 40 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:37.479 fifty seven and forty four to seventy two. So it 41 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:42.719 was the documentation the checking of age verification of the 42 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.159 talent that was there, and the amount of paperwork that 43 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:46.199 had to go and go along with it, and the 44 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:50.280 cost of having staff on deck to handle all this. 45 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:53.960 So US codes twenty two, fifty seven to forty four 46 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.120 to seventy two caused what ultimately brought a lot of 47 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.319 things to the video industry and listen, just like the 48 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.080 music industry, just like television and radio and all the 49 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:12.479 digital disruption changed everything. Now physical copies of whatever kind 50 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:14.319 of content it's out there now that you have a 51 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:19.319 digitally for twenty five years plus, and then one thing 52 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:20.759 that was happening when I got to go to hear 53 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:22.879 about the space and I was involved in a short 54 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:26.439 time doing podcasting in that space, they were in the 55 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:31.080 transition going to HD higher depf Of course, we were 56 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:35.400 just going into DSL internet hookups. And at that point 57 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:39.240 we haven't gotten completed the point where streaming anything higher 58 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.080 than fifty six kilobytes per second was the norm out there, 59 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:47.000 So for people to go ahead and download or stream 60 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:50.719 content wasn't a easy yet it had gotten out that point, 61 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:52.800 we did not get to the high speed that we 62 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.919 have today, and that was the next point was coming up. 63 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:01.520 But the porn creators were going ahead of the game 64 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:06.080 and making sure they had higher pixelated content, more high 65 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:08.879 deff content, because the high def equipment was already out there, 66 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:11.400 so everybody caught on to it early. And that's how 67 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.759 it always kind of works. Before that's something mainstream happens. 68 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.120 It starts important. That's what you should get. The Internet 69 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.279 starts off with. But there's a number of things that 70 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:22.399 are going on that people have learned learning about what 71 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:27.160 has changed over here. Obviously, several creators that we've talked 72 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.319 about extensively on the program since the start of this year. 73 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:35.160 Lily Phillips Bonnie Blue both at this event and they 74 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:38.800 spoke with The Guardian. First of all, Lily Phillips was 75 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:43.240 in the lobby when this young lady immediate gentleman caught 76 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.240 up with her in the lobby becoming famous after filming 77 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.319 herself having sex with one hundred men and a day. 78 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.680 She said quote, I'm just here for a good time, 79 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:54.279 and she was dressed down in a cream tracksuit. And 80 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.439 since yourviral, another British creator, Bonnie Blue, has claimed to 81 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.160 us with more than one thousand men in a day 82 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:04.360 twelve hours to because Act one fifty seven Phillips had 83 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.279 to come up with a new way to grab people's attention. 84 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.360 The answer widowers. She revealed plans to film herself sleeping 85 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:13.480 with large numbers of them, and the extreme attempts to 86 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.079 recruit paying subscribers can be risky. There was an only 87 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.959 Fans That creator, an Australian creator that was hospitalized earlier 88 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.079 filming a challenge where she had sex with five hundred 89 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:24.839 andy three men in one day. I believe it was 90 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:29.480 Lindsay Night and Lily Fillips says she's contemplating creating an 91 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.240 AI bot of her spell to create sell photos of 92 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:36.639 fans to reduce her workload. And some middle film producers 93 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.120 are relaxed about the risk of AIM making their work obsolete. 94 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.000 That was the part they were all afraid of, was 95 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:42.680 that they were gonna be able to still do things 96 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:47.199 in the age of porn. And if you were looking 97 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:50.279 for it out there, AI content is now there for you. 98 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.160 Remember before you see the AI content is being developed 99 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.480 and built now in main stream for memes or for 100 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:59.920 you know, funny videos or whatever there is. It started important. 101 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:05.600 Remember it always starts there. So there were two British entrepreneurs, 102 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.000 Felix Henderson and Nick Young talking about their new Digital 103 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.680 Twins Company, saying quote, we were all freaking the f 104 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:16.319 out about this two years ago and that we were 105 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:18.879 to the point now that we're no longer worried to 106 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.399 a I will replace real humans on screen. Quote we 107 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:24.560 sell seratonin cortisol double mean, we're all about emotions. I 108 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.199 think there's no threat to creators. So now what their 109 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.240 Digital Twins Company is the licensed celebrity voices and a 110 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.920 portfolio of old photographs and your career heydays programming the 111 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.600 resulting avatars to undress. The site will enable women to 112 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.160 prolong their careers, mitigating the alarming threat of aging quote 113 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.680 alarming on a lot of the fans are relatively fickle. 114 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:46.959 Some creators like the idea of having their image frosen 115 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.079 in time, and they want to continue to earn money 116 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:51.839 in this. So they like the idea they can effectively 117 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.519 earn off how they appear today and give themselves the 118 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.920 career longevity they don't necessarily have. So yeah, unlike Hollywood 119 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.560 does not want to go and have the AI types 120 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:05.079 like Tilly Norwood. If you didn't hear My Broadcasters podcast 121 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:08.639 last week, take a listen. There's the whole storm brewing 122 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.959 about Tillie Norwood, this AI actress that is possibly looking 123 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.639 to find an agent in Hollywood to become an actress 124 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:18.759 for movies and television. They all go on to say 125 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.399 down that the AI business they have around has the 126 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.959 happy side effect of liberating women from they still stigmatized 127 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:25.399 business of taking their clothes off for money. 128 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:25.920 Quote. 129 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.800 I would say it's the most positive ethical step forward 130 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:30.959 that you could possibly make. Now, I want to play 131 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.759 a little bit of Amelia speaking about this on a 132 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:41.319 recent podcast called The Guardian Audio long Reads podcast. First 133 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:45.319 of all, in this story, she starts talking about being 134 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.600 at the conference and previously over a decade ago when 135 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:54.360 she went to this particular conference, everybody was completely doom 136 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.879 and gloom, and then things changed. So let me go 137 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.319 ahead and play back what she was saying about that 138 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:03.399 and what has changed so much in the last decade. 139 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:06.959 So, Amelia, you decided to go to Amsterdam to what 140 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:10.800 sounds like quite an extraordinary conference. It was actually the 141 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.959 first time that you've been to this gathering, was it? 142 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.879 So I went to an exper's conference just over a 143 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.959 decade ago in London in a really depressing hotel in 144 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:26.279 a window list basement, and then there was an atmosphere 145 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.759 of total gloom within the industry because all of the 146 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:35.960 owners of adult companies were very concerned that the arrival 147 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:40.919 of streaming of pornography online, the arrival of sites like Pornhub, 148 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.279 totally destroyed the business model and that there wasn't very 149 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.360 much money to be made in the industry. 150 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.600 And this time around, I mean it's in just eleven 151 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.440 years since you attended that first conference, the industry has 152 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:54.879 changed almost beyond recognition. 153 00:08:55.240 --> 00:09:00.240 Yeah, there's been a hugely radical shift in that decade. 154 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.279 We've seen a completely new way for the pornography industry 155 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:06.679 to monetize itself. 156 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.159 Yeah, and there is so much money to be made 157 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.960 because more and more people are watching porn. There was 158 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.440 a Yugov survey two years ago which found that half 159 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.279 of all British men watch porn fifteen percent of women, 160 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.960 including no doubt many listeners of this podcast, and many 161 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.639 of them are watching via a relatively new player in 162 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:25.039 the industry, Only fans. 163 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:27.360 And we'll talk more about that in the morment, because 164 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:33.639 the only fans aspect is still fascinating overall, and we're 165 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:38.879 talking about in nine years. Okay, the stokely family put 166 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.159 this together as social media site to upload videos of 167 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.639 their hobbies and again when there's a spot they're go 168 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:49.879 and put porn here we go. And really what created 169 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.679 the buzz of all this, unfortunately was COVID. Hey listen, 170 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.840 when you have people at home and they can't go 171 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:59.679 out and for someone, when they can't go and make 172 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.759 the business of having to sell their bodies or to 173 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.480 do some you know, to pray to the Baucher's things 174 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.360 to go ahead and make a living. Well when they 175 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.559 were able to find out, they go and do the 176 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:11.639 kind of content they could want to do inside their 177 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.120 home and the privacy of your own home with nobody 178 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.480 finding out about them, and keep it as simple as possible. 179 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:20.600 There was an audience for it for amateur content especially. 180 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:24.080 This is also of the fact that we had things 181 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:27.799 going on where the likes of porn Hub and Backpage 182 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.559 and Craigslist, all these sites they got rid of all 183 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:36.000 the adult content. So coincides with all this, President Trump 184 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:41.360 comes in and he makes changes to adult content. So Craigslist, 185 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.519 no more dating sites, no more dating sections in there, 186 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.240 nothing for you know, massage parlors or if we building 187 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.240 to can you know, make a hook up things like 188 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.080 that because there was they said there was things of 189 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.960 sex trafficking. There was going on all these sites. Backpage 190 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.600 obviously that was a site for escorts, for a different 191 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.919 content creation for different models or whatever you want on 192 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.240 different services that are all dull services out there locally 193 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.279 in your area. That got thrown away. And then towards 194 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.000 the end of the term for that President Trump, porn 195 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:15.320 Hub would get caught up in the credit card issues 196 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.200 and the likes of American Express, and I think we 197 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.720 semsterc all took away the ability to go ahead and 198 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.799 swipe credit cards on that site. And I was a 199 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.559 crackdown on Pornhub we talked about on this program where 200 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:32.360 it happened and never recover from that. But now there's 201 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.200 a point where there are still various sites out there 202 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.720 that have content you can buy, you know, a la 203 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:43.000 carte whatever you want, interact with those fans out there. 204 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:44.240 There's a number of sites to go and do that 205 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.720 kind of thing in the same vein that only fans does. 206 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.080 Except there are some professional types that are out there 207 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.240 doing their content that you know, they put a lot 208 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.879 of work into it and stage and a framing and 209 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:56.279 all that kind of stuff. And then there are girls 210 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.080 on Only Fans that you know, they don't really have 211 00:11:58.120 --> 00:11:59.840 to go and do much of anything. It just depends 212 00:11:59.879 --> 00:12:01.200 on how much work they want to put into it, 213 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.440 and are they really working with anybody else to do 214 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.759 the content. No, but people willing to go ahead and 215 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.440 pay a subscription price to have content they can find 216 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.600 on there. What's the interesting part too, is that you 217 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.720 never see what there is, like there's no preview section 218 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.480 for anything on OnlyFans. I'm still surprised how some people 219 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.759 do it, because if you know who the model is, 220 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:20.919 then you're willing to go and subscribe and hope for 221 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.679 whatever that person's doing. You blind faith and think, well 222 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.519 you're gonna get something you're gonna like from them, And 223 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:29.759 that's what happens. But it doesn't matter what it is, 224 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:34.639 because it's a guy gooning or simping over a model 225 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.480 that they like. And when she goes in and they 226 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.200 learn about her, well, she's a content creator from some 227 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.720 other rain, whether it's Sophie Rain, whether it's Little Tay 228 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:47.639 or you know, whether it's Bad Baby whatever. They all 229 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:51.320 find themselves on those sites. And if she's going to 230 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:54.320 be seen, possibly naked, they're going to be on there 231 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:57.360 for it, and that's what happens. And here's the part 232 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:01.120 as everything's all changed in back in twenty twenty, when 233 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:05.840 these two women on this podcast talked about the change 234 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.480 of going into the idea of doing OnlyFans content. 235 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.159 Back in January twenty twenty, I started my only Fans account. 236 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.919 I soon began to make about fifteen k monthly on 237 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.080 the platform, with a grand total of over two hundred 238 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:21.919 thousand dollars made within the last two to three years. 239 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.960 Yeah, I mean, I guess it's only funds. Admirers would 240 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:29.080 say that it's democratized porn. It empowers women because it 241 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.960 gives them much more control over their content, and it 242 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.639 allows them to keep a much larger percentage of the 243 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.600 money that they charge for making I think they don't. 244 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.720 They get eighty percent. I think that's right. 245 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.519 A lot of the women involved in creating the content 246 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:47.559 now will say that the whole industry has shifted in 247 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:52.519 their favor, so that previously a decade ago, twenty years ago, 248 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.399 most of the power lay in the hands of the 249 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:59.679 mostly men who owned the studios, who recruited the women 250 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:04.279 to work, who auditioned and cast women. But now there's 251 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:09.039 been a dramatic shift towards women because they are getting 252 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:14.639 eighty percent of the revenues for whatever they produce for OnlyFans. 253 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:17.720 And eighty percent if you want the industry to go. 254 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:19.559 This is the thing that happened too in the porn 255 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:23.440 industry that made the change because there was a set skill, 256 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.240 because there was a set price, and you had all 257 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.480 these people managing the content that was being made and 258 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.759 crew and produced. I mean, no matter how much the 259 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.759 professional environment was and how they were treated, but doing 260 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:35.919 everything your own home and the amount of money that 261 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.200 you can make and you can keep eighty percent of it, 262 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:45.159 I mean, there were not That's what is the draw 263 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.080 for women of all ages and all different areas to 264 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.279 go on the only fans. The thing is you've created 265 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.879 an open platform for anybody to become a porn star, 266 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.120 because that's what every woman can go and become, and 267 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:00.840 a can a prize to be she wants to be 268 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:04.159 able to go and get the potential of a lot 269 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:06.840 of money. Because women will come in with a delusion 270 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.159 to think that they're worth a lot. They see that 271 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:16.600 eighty percent return on what they make, they think, you know, oh, 272 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:18.799 I can make all this money and eighty percent of 273 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:21.159 it's going to be mine. But then someone get on 274 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.799 the grind and they find out if it's truer like 275 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.039 that or not. They're going to talk about the fact that, 276 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.759 you know, for OnlyFans, it's like being an uber driver. 277 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:30.399 And I can attest to this because I do it 278 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:32.440 part time. You clock in when you want to, you 279 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:34.240 clock off when you want to. And the argument goes, 280 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:38.159 it's more empowering for women, and Amelia went to the 281 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.240 conference here to try to understand where the power really 282 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:44.000 lies now. They also go on to talk about the 283 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:47.720 areas of why women are doing this now and what 284 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.519 is really the advantage of doing this at all because 285 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.360 of the fact that the young women want to be 286 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.799 able to go and still get by and the easiest 287 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:56.960 way possible. So they look at this here and they say, okay, 288 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.000 this is the means to an end. They want to 289 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.440 go into this part and this is where the influencerr 290 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.799 aspect of all this not just for a girl that's 291 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.440 doing dance challenges or is a model and she wants 292 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:09.120 to show off for whatever job is, and this and 293 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:12.600 that the whole looking out there and see what she's doing. 294 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.480 The same thing goes here. So in this Guardian podcast 295 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.840 they go on to go and talk about the lack 296 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.320 of dignity they say of working a normal job. 297 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.679 But if you go to a normal workplace, there is 298 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:29.080 not much dignity for the younger generations because you're earning 299 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.799 very little money and you put your rents and you 300 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.639 put your food and you run out of money. And 301 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:39.279 that is not dignity because you cannot choose to have 302 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.960 a bigger house to have a family, like if you 303 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.639 want to have one, two, three kids, you can't. 304 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.840 Now that's somebody for the ex Biz conference, one of 305 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:54.799 the content creators there that does it all content. This 306 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.879 is nothing different, not too far fetter, and what regular 307 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:02.840 women think right now, how they feel about it, because 308 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.480 that's the mindset they get right now. And for women 309 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.400 that believe they have that beauty, they have the body, 310 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:13.599 they have an appeal to an audience out there. If 311 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:15.440 they're able to put their stuff out there, and they 312 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.839 hopefully will, then they think there's a chance they can 313 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.119 get any more out of it. And this same model 314 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:24.839 they kept talking to about here on this podcast, and 315 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.799 they talk about you know, coming to the idea of 316 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.519 you know, not being so prude about it and feel like, 317 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:35.119 well it's okay if I do this. I mean finding 318 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:36.400 an acceptance to doing this. 319 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.200 She also talked about the real sense of pressure she 320 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.000 felt under to produce a lot of content all the time. 321 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.039 She says it's not easy. She says that there's an 322 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.160 idea that making money on OnlyFans is just a question 323 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.279 of taking your clothes off, of having no inhibitions and 324 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:58.839 being happy about being nwed on camera. But actually it isn't. 325 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.640 It's a lot more difficul and it requires long hours 326 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.880 and a lot of actually quite exhausting work. She was 327 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.759 quite ill when I met her and said she was 328 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:10.119 suffering from burnout. 329 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.519 Well, but that's the part that nobody gets to hear 330 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.279 about about how some of these contregreators putting out a 331 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:20.000 lot of massive amount of content to try to satisfy 332 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.599 and keep up an income stream. What they want to 333 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:25.599 have is very different. 334 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:27.119 Now. 335 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:30.039 They go on to talk about Lily Philips and Bonnie 336 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:33.359 Blue and the setup there and what the impact of 337 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.160 what those two young women have done right now in. 338 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.640 The dustries so far, and it was such a big 339 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.839 deal just last year when Lily Phillips did that stunt. 340 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.559 But she's been thoroughly eclipsed, really, hasn't she by other 341 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:51.000 content creators, notably Bonnie Blue. Many listeners might have watched 342 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.559 the Channel four documentary about her when she's trying to 343 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:55.759 have sex with one thousand men in a day and 344 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.160 even that isn't enough, then she has to say, I'm 345 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:00.559 going to try and have sex with X number of virgins. 346 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.359 So yeah, just seeing that people are being pushed towards 347 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:06.079 ever more extreme material. 348 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.680 Yeah, that's right, And there's obviously an inherent risk in 349 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:13.079 some of these stunts which are portrayeders empowering for the 350 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:17.519 women who are performing them. But an Australian OnlyFans creator 351 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:21.160 was hospitalized earlier this year after she filmed a challenge 352 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.000 where she had sex with five hundred and eighty three 353 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:28.039 men in one day and was taken to a hospital 354 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.640 with exhaustion. She said, I think my body just finally 355 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:32.240 had enough. 356 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.200 Now this is the part where the escalation and listen, 357 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.039 the poor thing that she doesn't care. They'll take as 358 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.119 many models as they can. The thing is it's the 359 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.519 platform owners. I don't know if the industry's really making 360 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.279 so much in the kind of creation. Well, they're really 361 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:54.519 making the money off of is having the platforms to 362 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:59.680 go and do it, having you know, the credit card processes. 363 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:04.440 That's technology platforms, because there's other sites besides only fans 364 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.240 out there providing the same kind of content. So if 365 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:09.599 they're out there to doing that and you leave these 366 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:11.400 women to their demise to go on and do what 367 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.000 they want to do with these with the content and 368 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:14.720 try to figure things out. They're going to figure it 369 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.039 out themselves and see what they can do. Is it 370 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:19.720 worth it? That's where women want to go and find 371 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:21.160 out about that. Do they feel like this is going 372 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:23.200 to be something that at the end of the day 373 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.640 they can really make something of a lucrative living? And 374 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.079 that's the dream of you know, not needing man, not 375 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.359 needing anyone else in their life. They could be independent 376 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.400 modern women and live as they want and just use 377 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:37.680 their body as they do without anybody having to be 378 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.599 involved in it. Because that's the perfect world for a 379 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.200 woman in the modern day today. So can it be done? Well? 380 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:46.160 These two are talking about the fact that the dream 381 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:50.240 is alive and well for those that put their mind 382 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:52.519 to it, and why should they well they talk. 383 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.079 About it well, I mean why can't you just believe 384 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:58.400 what they're what they're saying. Why can't you believe that 385 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:01.640 maybe it is, you know, much better than doing a 386 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:05.240 dead end, minimum wage job. That they choose their hours, 387 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.039 they only put out content that they have approved, and 388 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:10.720 they're taking a big cut of all of the money 389 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:11.240 that they make. 390 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:17.720 So I think absolutely, for a percentage of women who 391 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.960 do OnlyFans work, it is lucrative. People have described making 392 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:27.519 millions in a relatively short period of time, But I 393 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:32.559 think you have to scratch away at how common those 394 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.200 experiences are, And I think the thing that I found 395 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:42.279 really disconcerting, I suppose about the conference is the real 396 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:48.559 mismatch between the very benign sort of content that most 397 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.480 of the women were talking about and then the content 398 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.599 that you see on sites like porn Hub that don't 399 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.400 have a paywall so you can see them once you've 400 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:02.440 gone through age verification, very very swift, and they portray 401 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:07.440