Speaker 1: You're listening to said the Sanctum.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. I am Kerry Ann and you are
listening to Seventh Sanctum and this evening I am being
joined by Natalie. Welcome Natalie. Good evening, morning, afternoon, Hello,
whenever you're listening, and we have a really we have
a special guest, and we've been looking forward to talking
to Julie for a while now. So we have Julie
from a commentary which the commentary Witch, how are you Julie?
Speaker 3: I'm all good, Thank you, Hello to everybody.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. So really we
just want to get stuck in because we've got so
many things to ask. I'm going to be honest, I'm
a little bit fine Girlian because I've been following your
account for a long time. I love your inspiration, your
spells and how you deliver them. It's fantastic. So it's
really really cool to be able to talk to you
this evening. So I'm looking forward to learning all about
your journey. So really, the first place we always start
when we have someone come along is we ask where
and how and what brought you to where you are now.
Speaker 3: So I've always been following the witchcraft path for the
last forty odd years and we started TikTok for a
bit of a joke and Instagram, so we find set
a covering up about seven years ago and we do
a big festival every year in Coventry called the Festival
of Pagans and Witches, and that is to bring together
people who who might have a feeling about spirituality or
witchcraft but don't know where to go or what to
do about it. And you know yourself, if you go
on social media, there's just it's mind boggling, isn't it.
You know, it's just freaking madness on there. So we
set a festival up so people could come and they
could talk to different covens and different witches, and there's
druids and witches and pagans and pagan Seminarya there and
people can just come and talk and they can attend
workshops and go to night rituals and see what it's
all about, become part of a community.
Speaker 4: And then after we started the festival up.
Speaker 3: For a bit of a laugh, Anne and I were
in the spell room one day and we were doing
a spell and somebody had said to us show on
TikTok and we were like, I don't even know how
to work tiktop. I didn't even know what TikTok was,
to be fair, and so I said, oh, okay, I
said to it, and right, let's give it a go.
Let's just to expell and we'll record it. And we
sort of did, and we sort of went viral straight
well within a couple of days. And so we started
our Government of Guira account eighteen months ago and we
have just under eight hundred thousand followers on there, so
that's pretty good going apparently for eighteen months. Yeah, yeah,
and then and then we sort of did the Instagram
and then to be fair, this is a bit of
a so a lot of the money that we make,
all the many that we get from TikTok goes in
cove and funds, and we tend to give a lot
to charities and we do good things with it, you know,
we use it to do good. And then also actually
this is a lot really easy way to earn money
for the coven. So and then were let's set up
Coventry Witch in Birmingham, which and then so that's what
we did. So so I think my Coventry Wich, but
that's certainly been go in a few months and then
we were like oh and then with all the thing
about TikTok, we were like, oh god, now we've got
to learn another social media. So we thought, oh, we'll
join Instagram just in case TikTok goes. But we didn't
know if you could even murder, how you worn't money
on it on Insta or whatever. So anyway, we set
up and that was probably ten weeks ago and that's gone.
I think we've got sixty thousand uncovering of Guya and
one hundred and twenty thousand uncoverentry witch so which is
mad in a couple of months, isn't it?
Speaker 4: You know, it's just like you just go, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: But then we were like, oh, we just don't know
how you make any money off it. And then we
realized subscribers. So that's what I've been doing earlier. So
we have subscribers on all of the channels, and then
we do a witchy lesson every minday, all the subscribers
can watch our lesson, our witchcraft lesson, and then so
we have like two phones going on with the coven
of gout subscribers and one with Instagram. One we ticked
up one with Insta subscribers on it, and to me,
like it's it's like it's good because I know some
of the spouse we do are a bit ott, but
they're gain as followers. And then there's followers become subscribers
and then we can teach some witchcraft properly.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: They get a proper hour lesson every week about all
different topics and they can ask what questions they want
and they really enjoy it. You know, we have lots
and lots of people on the subscribers watching because like
because they can trust what we say, they know we
know what we're talking about, so they really do we.
I think we had a couple of hundred on tonight,
which is really good, I think subscribers.
Speaker 4: And that's so this was all a bit.
Speaker 3: Of a joke really, and I think once we realize
what good we could do with the money, we were like, oh,
you know, we'll just do it then, and we get
we have an online coven as well, so we don't
just have the inner cover, and we have an online
govern and they weat two big lessons with them and
they join us for rituals by zoom and they're all
on a big WhatsApp group all of them where they
like waffleshit all day and all night because they're all
in different parts of the world, so they're constantly waffly
shit on there. And then we have mentor groups where
we all mentor them into smaller groups. So there's quite
a lot of work really, But you know, I mean,
we just sent a donation. We just sent one thousand
pounds to some children a week or so ago, and
then we just sent into the five hundred pound yesterday
to the local dogs home.
Speaker 4: So it's all good. You know, it's all good. All
the subscriber when he goes to good Causes.
Speaker 5: Wow. So considering it was like a bit of a
joke to start off with, it's quite funny how it's
just sort of like mushroom.
Speaker 6: It's like without even because.
Speaker 5: Like to get viral, it's just completely random apparently, like
just going viral. It's like it just seems to be
the will of the gods as to who gets their
videos sort of highlighted.
Speaker 6: So the rid of my god, I think. Yeah, I
was going to say, I always say.
Speaker 3: The gods have a reason for everything, and I think
the reason that they made us go through like the
reason they made our festival and success, the reason I
Coven is so well known, the reason why we've gone
viral on Instagram and on tiktop is because you know,
they want us to pass the message.
Speaker 4: You know, we're really normal for witches, aren't we. You know,
we're normal. We're not.
Speaker 3: You know, you had to see us with you know,
you see the videos on TikTok and into that, and
they're beautiful videos, whether all made and the candles all things,
and you see us we're dropping soul everywhere and it's
like a ship show sometimes when we're doing you know,
on the videos and lots, someone's being in the background.
If you said something wrong, someone's correcting you or you know,
and it's really normal. And it just shows that like
witchcraft is a real normal thing that it's not. Don't
have to be this extraordinary person. Everyone can be a
witch if they want to. You know, it's it's normal.
I mean, I've got a really normal day job. Most
of the compon have got normal day jobs, you know,
but we don't stop being witches when we're in our
day jobs. We can still you know, I train security
docs from my day job and in our offices. We've
got an altar in there and as them across the door,
you know. So it's I think it's just to show that.
I think it's to normalize witchcraft. I think that's the
reason we've gone by.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, because that's what I quite enjoyed about your
Instagram is like how accessible your spells were because you
just assume that you have to have the right astrological
conjunctions and special this and special that.
Speaker 6: Then you're just sitting there on your.
Speaker 5: Table with like a few bits ago, do this, do this,
do this, Bob, and you're just like, wown't believe.
Speaker 3: You know we have I mean we have one of
the covern really just answers messages all day long. What
she does in between two works as the theater, and
I think like they're waiting to take someone into theater.
She's there answering the tiktop messages and the instant messages.
Speaker 4: But you would be shocked at how many.
Speaker 3: People message and say thank you, that's about work to treat,
and they could believe that was so easy to do
and it's worked for them, you know.
Speaker 4: And then you know it slightly said.
Speaker 3: They think it needs to fit the astrological time and
you know, on a certain day in the certain planet time,
and and that they have to like do all this shipe,
which don't you know, You just you just need to
do basics and believe. That's it. That's all you need
to do the basics and believe. And yeah, if we're
doing a really hard spell, then yeah, you do go
that little bit further. And you might like, you know,
make sure you do it on the full moon, or
you might do it on that certain day, or you know,
you might do it in the hour of Venus.
Speaker 4: But you know, that's if you're doing.
Speaker 3: When we do spouse for the people, we tend to
go that little bit further because we do want them
to work for them, you know. But if because it's
it's harder to do a spoull for somebody else and
it is to do one for yourself, you to do
when you for yourself, You've got all that intent for it,
haven't you. So when we're if I was doing a
spout for you, I would have to put more effort
in than if I was doing one for myself. Yeah,
So when we do spouse for the people, we go
that little bit further. We don't show them on picked up,
you know, their private with videos, and we send them
to the people within the spell for but we we
we do go a lot further.
Speaker 4: But you don't need to have fits for yourself.
Speaker 3: You really don't. And like the old freezer spell, I
mean that's just brilliant. You know, you someone's pitting the
freezer and that's it. You know, you don't hear from
one for six months. It's lovely until you forget that
you've done it and take it out and it depress
and then they rely like turn up again.
Speaker 4: You're like on back it again.
Speaker 5: I think the world kind of runs on metaphors, and
it's like if you can find the right metaphor, because
it's like I noticed a lot.
Speaker 6: Of spells that the ingredients.
Speaker 5: So like you're thinking, well that's hot and spicy, so
theoretically and it's hot and spicy would have a similar effect. Yeah,
so that's how you can have the range across the
world where they have a similar spell but with different
ingredients the similar results.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's but the freezer spell was kind of genius.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: If they're great and they do work, you know, the
easier the spell, the more they work, it seems, you know,
And I think that because people do know, they do
believe that we know what we're talking about. They do
believe that what we do chosen it works, and because
of that, it does work. So sometimes you have to
think is it the spell or is it their mind
making it work? Because like if you get up on
a shitty day and it's fucking raining, it's pissing down,
and you haven't slept in you're all right, famive, you
look in the mirror and go, fuck me, I look rough,
And then you go, I'm going to have a real
ship day to day. And what happens? You have a
really shit day, don't you. But then you get up
and you feel really good and it's a lovely, warm
morning when you wake up and you can see the
sunshining through your curtained and you get up and you go,
it's going to be a good day to day? And
what is it a good day? Because it's all in
the mind, isn't It's a mental thing? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like the point of view changes what you see
and how you've perceived things, how the world works in
a weird kind of way.
Speaker 3: It's exactly the same as spells. It really is. If
you believe it will work, it will work. And I
say to people, you know, say to the convent sometimes
to get well, do you reckon that's going to work?
It doesn't matter if we think it's going to work
or not. If they believe it's going to work, it
will work. You know. So if some my phone's is
up and they say they emailers or their phone, they
text and all sorts and WhatsApp, and they go, oh,
done this, but I spilt something or the candle, and
I said to them, don't you worry, the spell will
still work. And they mess with me a week there
and they go, it has worked, and it's worked because
I've told them it's going to work, so they believe
it will work.
Speaker 4: So it does work. And that's how all magic works.
Speaker 6: Do you think you need the physical link as well?
Speaker 5: You know, because theoretically if it was just one belief,
but the actual act of something physical as in doing
the spell, also adds the focus to it.
Speaker 6: Will it to be? So?
Speaker 3: Same thing again, if you if you if you go out,
and I suppose it's a bit like you've got to
get yourself in the part, so you put your cloaker,
or you put yourself in your ritual clothes and you
have your ingreed. The ingredients will play a part because
all of those ingredients and all of those crystals and
all of those things, they have the correspondence that relates
to something that you're trying to get to. So it's
like little boosters. If you like, each thing you use
will boostep. Yeah. But so if I was doing something
for law, I would make sure I put some mint
in there, because mint, the herb mint is really good
for luck. Or if I wanted something for protection, or
take an obsidian piece of obsidian and put that in
whatever it was that I was doing. So already in
your mind your mind again, isn't it You're thinking all
that will push the spell because that's obsidian for protection,
or that will make me look good because I put
the mint in there, and I put a spoonful of cinnamon.
Cinnamon's like an enhancer, and I'm throwing a bit of
dragon's blood in so that make the spell go fast.
So but if you really look all the herbs, they
all do everything pretty much, you know, everything they really do.
You know, you like you're not put sage in it,
like protects. You can use it for me, you can
use it for health, you can use it for love,
you can just use it for everything.
Speaker 4: So you don't need hipload to stop.
Speaker 3: You just needs four or five different types of crystals
if you want to go down that road, and five
or six different herbs, and and you can pretty much
do every spell with those. Clear quarts will replicate any
crystal anyway, and rosemary will replicate any herbs. So even
if you only had clear quarts and rosemary, you could
pretty much do every spell from those.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's magic in one page or less.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it is the same.
Speaker 3: I know you say it isn't all in the mind,
that so much of it is in the mind.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 3: I mean, you think of those people who the power
of our mind is immense.
Speaker 4: You think of those.
Speaker 3: People when there's been an emergency and they've lifted a
car on their own. That's the power of their mind
has got them to do that. You know, it's give
them superhuman strength.
Speaker 4: And it's this.
Speaker 3: It is the same with spe You can know all
the correspondences in the world, but if you don't believe
in that spell, it won't work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the world's more malleable than it appears
to be on its surface as well, isn't it. It's
not just the physical representation. There are sub sub energies
within it, and that's what allows everything to sort of
like affect everything else. And like you say, the belief
does affect the world. It is kind of strange how
it happens in a way, but it does make sense
at the same time if you accept that things aren't
just physical and that, like you say, your will or
your intention, your belief, the way you think has an
actual effect in the world as well through it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the world everything to ying and yang,
isn't it? You know, everything is just black and as white,
and the universe is just this big fat We're just
made of energy or we are? Is energy really just
wearing a skit? You know, human skin? We're just energy
and you know, people go when you die, but actually energy,
you can't kill energy. Energy doesn't die, so we just
transfer into something else, you know, We're still that energy.
We just lose the human skin. And so when you
think it like that, then everything is energy.
Speaker 6: Isn't that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's energies.
Speaker 3: Energies could be manipulated, and that's really what we don't.
We manipulate the energies to get what we want. That's
my definition of witchcraft, manipulating energies to get what you
want from it.
Speaker 6: How do you.
Speaker 5: And I know that some of your spells have been
a little bit more sort of hexy in tone, how
do you reconcile sort of like you know, how the
very very often the tenet of a like witchcraft does
and it harm none and things like that, how do
you reconcile you like, you say, sticking someone in a
free I mean that's relatively been nine to be fair,
seeing them in a freezer. But you know, when you've
got like somebody's annoying you, so do a quick five minutes.
How do you how does your ff what's the best
way of saying it? How do your ethics play into that?
Or do you believe that the world has a balance anyway?
So if it's supposed to happen, it will, and if
it doesn't, you know, it's sort of like not.
Speaker 6: Going to work or is it? How what's your understanding
of that?
Speaker 4: Fair sly the harm known and the power of three.
Speaker 3: The rule of three is wickan so Wickan is religious
religious part of witchcraft, so on that Wickan, and none
of our covens are Wickan. We'res witches. So we don't
really believe in the power of three. We don't believe
that what what what you put out will come back
on you three times. I mean the amount of many
I've given to charity. If that's true, I'll be a
billionaire by now. To be fair, if if that was
the case, But I don't joke in apart it isn't,
is it? Because a lot of my curse and hex
spouse they're a bit tongue in cheek. To be fair,
you know that they're not to be taken. I really
should put a little warning on the bottom, you know,
do not take too seriously. But I do always say,
you know, if you're going to do this, don't do
it because your neighbors stop the fucking twos up at
you and told you to do one. This has got
to be for something terrible, that somebody has done something
terrible and they've gone and punished for it. So so
you had a little sister and somebody brutally merged your
little sister and they didn't get caught for it. Then
you would want to make sure that they got punished,
wouldn't you. Yeah, And that's what those sort of things
are for. If somebody and a lot of people that
do a lot of horrible things in this world, an
awful lot of people that do an awful lot of
horrible things. And like I said, I do say to people,
don't do this because your neighbors pissed you off, you know,
by like throwing a bit of rubbish in your garden.
This must be for something somebody who's gone and punished
for doing something serious.
Speaker 5: There is a degree of consideration in there as to
the where you place the focus of your intent, rather
than like, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: I've got five security offs. Someone pleased them.
Speaker 2: I think one of the spells that I see recently,
actually coming a little bit from what Natalie was just
speaking about, was the walking a mile of walk a
mile in my shoes karma spell. That was a really simple,
straightforward with the intention of doing none. If you've done
to me, it comes back to you. It's about you
feel that.
Speaker 3: You feel and the bane that you caused me. You're
not going to feel that he and pain, So that
isn't really doing anything wrong. That's just I would say,
you know, if someone feels the hurt and pain that
they've caused you, then that's going to make them a
bit of a better person, really, isn't it, because they're
going to realize what they're doing and maybe not do
that to somebody out again. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's like a cause and effect thing, almost, isn't it.
It's like you've you've caused me in issue, so I'm
going to cause something back to you, and it's just
like a reciprocal reciprocal thing. So it's like you kind
of always bring it on yourself anyway by doing that action,
so you're just sort of like acting on behalf of
in a way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes.
Speaker 3: Like that, you know, and some of them just for
effect and you know the bit of drama, aren't they
liven up the week a little bit.
Speaker 4: I really do show all sides of witchcraft, you know,
we're not just like.
Speaker 3: Oh, let's just do the loved spouse and the you know,
the nicey, nicy spouse, because that isn't witchcraft, you know
which paft is or you know in the in the
Oldpening folk were the old witches from from old times
in the UK. You know, they were like the wise
woman in the village, and more people went to the
wise woman for curses than they needed for things, for
good things, Okay, because that's that's human nature, isn't it. Yeah,
I was going to say this, Yeah, I could well
believe that, especially in a village, you know, from a
neighbor cursed, the farmers peeve me after give me some
sour mill, you know. And that's and that's what it
used to be. And you know it probably is still
like that now because you only have to look at
the video views. The curses and the hexes go viral,
you know, they get really high views, and you say,
I'll show you how to do a nice love spell,
and they're like, I'm not interested in that, you know,
with one a bit of drama. So and we use
it to our own advantage, you know, I take I
do say that to the people, you know, use them
to my own advantage. We use them to build up
my following, and then from the following, we take the
subscribers who do want to learn about witchcraft the really
and then we give them lessons and we start them
at the very basics and then we talk that we
go through week by week on building them up until
they're confident in all aspects of witchcraft, which is good.
And most of them just stay subscribers. You know, you
can't get rid of them once they subscribe. This one
stay with you, you at the end of a message,
you know, asking questions all the time. But it's all good.
Speaker 4: We don't I don't mind.
Speaker 6: I don't mind to have them engaged with you though
as well.
Speaker 5: I mean that's that's samely doing something right because they're
engaging with what you're teaching. Ye. So yeah, so the
questions in a way is good thing, I guess, because
they are actually considering what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yes are You know, we do subscriber lives where we
do pendulums and card pools for them and meditation, so
we need they get a bit of everything. They mix
it all up a bit. And obviously we've written a
book that we published of course, so you think you're
a witch and gosh, and that is basically talking you
through witchcraft from zero two hundred.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It gives us full of exercises and practices to do
things to help your intuition. Things start a spouse to
start off with, and all about why you would do
this or use that, and that book's gone really well.
We were really surprised how well it has gone.
Speaker 6: Brilliant. That's so. Yeah, it's nice when somebody.
Speaker 3: Yes chapter even the historians. So it's a bit borings
all about the history of witchcraft. So we shoot it
at the pack.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, So what is your most asked for spell?
When I said hexes, but is there a spell in
particular that is the most Yeah, that seems to be
a common theme when we speak to other which is
we year old GoF witch in America. He also says
the same thing love spells out of his zeros. Yeah,
where do you go?
Speaker 3: Long?
Speaker 2: Where where do you sit with that? Where do you
in terms of love spells? I started my journey as
a Wiccan and now practice of a practicing pagan. But
one of the quotes that used to uh, just kind
of over the heads of love spells is never start
a marriage in a hostage situation. And I always it's
always kind of just rung. Yeah, whenever I thought about
those spells, So where do you sit with that? Would
you think?
Speaker 3: Well? I think if there's no feeling there to start,
nothing will work. You can do love spells all day long.
But if they have not got that tiny bit of
feeling inside them, they won't work, you know, and we
do say that to people. Don't waste too many because
you know, if you're asking me to do a love
spell between you and Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt don't know
you exist love, so you've got no hopes of that working.
So I know people say about, oh, no, you're messing
with with free will. You know that's one everyone, because
you're messing with free will. You're messing with free will
with every single spell that you do, a love spell,
be it a health spell. If I did a healing
spell for you, thought she doesn't look very well, I'm
going to send a bit of healing, then you know
I haven't asked your permission, so it's I've took away
your free will for that. So it's exactly the same.
Any spou you do will take away people's free will.
So you know, that's that one out the window.
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry. Sorry now I was going to say, actually,
I remember you watching some content that you made about this. Actually, no,
you've mentioned this and as well talking about the law
of balance that yeah, okay, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: You can do all the spouse you like, okay, but
you're not going to get that person. If it isn't
meant to be, it's not going to be, is it.
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: If if it is meant to be, then it will
be so for all the intent in the world, you know,
I could give as much intent in the world, but
I am not going to I'm not going to get
somebody that I don't know, and the chances of them
meeting me on my plane are more and real, you know,
and the universe will do. You See, we all have
our own paths, don't we. That's a that's a problem.
We've all got our little paths of a fate that
we're going through all through our lives. And if it's
not your fate to meet that person, doesn't matter how
many spells you do, you're not going to meet them.
I know people would love to think they could, but
they won't, you know.
Speaker 6: I think that's why some love spells are a non specific,
aren't they.
Speaker 5: Like you know, there's some love spells that I want
that person, and then there's the other ones that I
want someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the ones will work, you know. I want
the right person for me, I want, I want someone
who will love me, and they do work. They'll work
all day long because you're not being so specific with
that intent of you're demanding that per But I really
believe that you know, in less, unless that person or
it's meant to be or they're on your path, then
it would they won't work.
Speaker 4: They won't work. Love spells are difficult.
Speaker 3: It's not like many spells is it, or good luck
spells or abundance so easy to get. I think the
bloody hard hard to do. I mean, I'll tell you
a story about one. So someone asked us for a spell.
A guy in America and his girlfriend had gone off
with somebody else and he wanted to spell, and he
was quite specific. He wanted to spell for that guy
to move away. So he did the spell and the
guy moved away. But guess what, she just went off
with somebody different. So the spell worked, he got what
he wanted for that guy to move away, but it
didn't bring them back together, you know, because you just
wanted to with another guy after that guy and then
he had Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, his focus is and on
getting her back? Is it by doing that? You know,
we tried to.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't argue, you know, we give people
a piece of paper in time to fill out what
it is they actually want. That's what we do, you know.
And to be fair, he then asked us to do
another one to get rid of this other guy, and
the same thing happened, exactly the same.
Speaker 6: He didn't learn the first time, And then about the fourth.
Speaker 3: Time, I think it was, he said, can you actually
do a spell to get us back together? I did,
but I said, you know, I bet that went lasts
more than three months. I've got back together because we
changed her will to get back with him, but I'll
give it three months and he'll be on the phone
again because she'll have picked off again.
Speaker 4: Some people just don't do that.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the doctor him was very grateful for hearing me.
Speaker 5: That's somebody who's very focused on a specific outcome, though,
isn't it. It's like if it didn't wait, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's what you get. You get things like that
all the time. So we turned down lots of requests.
Speaker 4: To be fair, you know, just like.
Speaker 3: We don't really do that for you. We do some,
but we don't we don't do many. We only do
spouse on the full moon anyway for people, So we
can't do a lot. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: Are there anything any specific sort of requests that you
wouldn't ever consider?
Speaker 3: You know, you have a line or curse for anybody else,
you know, het or curse. We tend to mainly the
our spouse, a lot of the spouse. We do it
for jobs or that happiness. People want happiness, they want peace.
And that's the same as I said before. If we
say with the spell and you're going to be you know,
your look's going to change normally they look just change.
Now Is that because their mindset's changed or our spells
worked or a bit bo don't know?
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 5: You say though the spell you know your ingredients is
a spell sort of like give little boost to the spell.
Speaker 6: It's in a weird way. The spell gives a boost
to somebody's life in one way. It's kind of like
we're within a wheel thing, isn't it. I guess? Yeah,
put it.
Speaker 3: Actually it just give the boost to people. Yeah, and
if they believe, the more they believe, the more it works.
Speaker 2: I read them this interesting concept about and now I
go back on texting, but that people are more susceptible
to a hex if they don't believe in it, which
is a bit contrary to what I've always thought. Hm,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, is that because they don't put protection on themselves.
Because if you believe that someone could hext you, will
curse you, then you tend to keep protection around yourself,
don't you. But if you don't believe that people can
hex or curse you, then you leave yourself wide open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the concept that they were going for,
but I just found it very different, very different to
the concept of what we're taught. Is if you think
the more belief there is in a spell, then the
more likely is going to work. And sometimes all you
need to do. I remember I had an ex partner
years ago who was convinced I'd put him in the freezer.
He asked me if he was next to my PS.
I was absolutely not. I have no need for you
to do that. But he had, in his own mind
convinced himself that I had done so anything that had
gone on in his life that kind of was a
bit unfortunate. He attributed to the fact that he felt
like I'd put him in a freezer. Firstly, I said,
you don't understand how a freezer works, clearly, but secondly no,
and did not do that. So yeah, it was just.
Speaker 4: We do get a lot of people who.
Speaker 3: Who believe they've been cursed or hext and they say,
can you remove you know, I feel this heaviness all
the time, can you can you remove the curse? And
can you remove the hex? And I know our life
is so unlucky that you know it's an old family curse.
And you know, actually some people who are just unlucky,
aren't they Some people are just plain unlocky. They haven't
been hext or cursed, they're just unlucky in their life
like some people are looking in their life. So but
you know, we len't say that to them. We'll say, yeah,
of course we will, and then we'll always send them
like a little ambulet that we that we make at covern.
Speaker 4: So look going to give you.
Speaker 3: This ambulance for you to carry around and the messages
toreams don't say my life's turned around, don'tally everything is
going so well? And that again, you know, is that
because they they believe that they aren't cursed or hext anymore,
or was there a curse and a hex and we've
removed it and the ambulance protected them. Or is it
just the power of the mind? Again to me, which
craft is mainly power of the mind. Do you have
ways of telling if someone's text bookist, because you know,
some witchcraft editions have the thing with an egg and
then you crack the egg and then it shows you
whether there's tendrils and things off of it. Do you
have any prescriptive type things.
Speaker 6: Ever to tell?
Speaker 3: Or we normally get We normally get the coventaro reader
and the astrologer. So we have covered astrologer who's phenomenal,
and she will normally look at their birth chart. Okay,
she'll read from their birth chart, and then the tarot
reader will poor cards and then we'll normally ask the pendulum.
But no, I don't believe there is a way to
know someone, if someone who is cursed, whether it is
I've never found a true way. To me, the truest
way I found is the astrologer reading the life path
of that person. The astrology readings they do, they can
literally take you from birth to death.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's that's quite because astrology is quite a lot
more in depth than it seems.
Speaker 6: Isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's like to be.
Speaker 3: True, I do message Louise Covern astrologer and I'll say,
louis this a good time to do this? And then
she sends me back like a hundred lines about the
triton of something and something else can just give me
a yes or no and then she'll just text me
yes or no.
Speaker 5: So yes, your your approach to witchcraft is more practical
in nature rather than the what ifs. It's like, let's
just do something about it and it'll it'll either you know,
like say boost it or not, and then we can
go from there and sort of work work out or
change a spell or you know as we progress.
Speaker 6: That's that's so it's sort of like very down to
earth and just get on with it, get things done.
Speaker 4: It's not worried about everyone's way, but it works for us. Yeah,
it's a very different, aren't we.
Speaker 3: To say?
Speaker 5: No? That's a very practical approach though, isn't it. It's
sort of like it stops the questioning as well. It
just gives you, like say, it's empowering in a way
because it's just like, well, let's get it done anyway
and then really can you you know, it's it's an
interesting take on the power of them own thing in
the positive thinking and around back kindaway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: So sorry. So with the you've obviously got your book
that's come out, you have your festivals that you're doing.
What can we expect in twenty twenty five? What have
you got coming up? You've just had a festival, isn't it?
Is that just past the Yeah? Right, okay, so we've got.
Speaker 6: One coming up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is May.
Speaker 3: We've got some really good things coming up at this one.
We've got a firewalk, which we've got well we always
have a Witch's ball, have Daughters of Guya play there.
What else we've got We've got one hundred and forty workshops,
which I think is more than we've ever had. And
we've got two more covens, so we've got seven covened
different covens there now. And we've got two Druid tents,
so we've got the Angles Druid Order and then we've
got the some English Druids come in.
Speaker 4: So it's all or quite mad.
Speaker 3: It's quite good because it means I only have to
do one workshop instead of my normal three, so and
we're doing an extra day as well, So we're doing
for Satisyndy in the bank holiday Monday, so it's the
first bank holiday in May, first weekend, first bank holiday weekend.
So it's good.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 3: They can if anyone wants to come or have a
look at what's on. Then our website for that is
then a festival for pagans and which is dot co dot.
Speaker 2: Uk perfect, so sure that we give that a share.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get a lot of We get so
many pagans there that aren't witches as well, get lots
of pagans. Come along, have a good main stage as well,
have Krunos Rising play. James Turner, he also comes along.
Blessed him to have some good paging music.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: I love work. I can imagine a lot organizing a
lot of work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm rockie because everyoneers a little bit, and you know,
it's such a chilled place. We had a sudden reporter
turn up one year and she said she got out
of the car and she burst into tears, and she
was a hard nosed reporter. She burst into tears and
said she just got out of her can. She just
felt this atmosphere of peace and so fair play to
She comes back to every festival with her sister. They
just buy tickets and come.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so incredible, yeah mad, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what it's like there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: People said that they feel like they've come home when
they come and it's just like this big community people
that are all there to.
Speaker 4: Celebrate together. Really, so it is good. It's good myself.
Speaker 2: We'll make sure we're sharing them on to our socials
as well, that people know where they can find their tickets.
I wanted to circle around actually because we've covered quite
a lot of different topics. But one of the topics
that actually when we were talking about was when we
talk about how energy doesn't die, just transforms. So in
terms of like your witchcraft and your intuitive working, where
do you sit within the paranormal? What is that for you?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean being a witchy is all paranormal, isn't it.
I mean we work with data, is you know? We
two of our covering mediums. So I've been asked to
go to the Festival of the Unexplained as a week.
Speaker 2: Huh are you going to go?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what you want me? Do you speak about?
Speaker 2: Oh? Do you have to be fair?
Speaker 3: She said, so nice. They said, we'll put you up
in this in the hotel for the three nights. I'm like,
and you know, I'm not really sound. But they still
haven't told me what they want me to speak about.
They just said I'll be speaking. I was like, okay,
So I hope they tell me a bit, you know before,
like the week before, so I can prepare something.
Speaker 4: I'll just be waffling ship.
Speaker 2: I reckon, that's probably they're going to want you to
just create your I wouldn't say what was it, but
I would say, just create your Yeah, it's a phenomenal
convention within the paranormal world. So that's fantastic and grab
both hands perfect. There are some really interesting speakers that
go along there, especially with h Yeah, so the paranormal
work that's going on at the moment so excellent. Same. Oh,
you know.
Speaker 3: It would be quite interesting just to to you know,
if I've got to do is I don't know, speak
every day or just speak once. I know they have
like a meal at night and you have to sit
at a table with people I think are gathered. They've
had to bed to some group. But they talk that
much on it. I can't make the tale of it,
but I'll probably just wring the lady in speak to her.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that I don't think it does look really
interesting to be.
Speaker 3: Fair, absolutely, But like I said, so they obviously think
I know a bit about the paranormal to have been invited.
But on a realistic note, you know, witchcraft is all
about paranormal, isn't it. I mean, you know, we go
to the cemetery at sourn and we also end up
like bringing the spirit attachment back to the spell room
and then we have to drag it back to the cemetery.
And you know, we go to people's houses and cleanse
them because they think that they've got but I've got
somebody in there. You know that they don't want so
we you know, we did a lot of things like that.
You know, we do all of that free. We don't
charge for that. We just go out and we'll cleanse
houses and remove any spirits that are there. Well, you know,
I have a dead easy way of doing it. I
just secondly, fuck off, I think not welcome. They tend
to just go it's not mess out.
Speaker 5: I could imagine what kind of paranoral investigation TV shows. Yeah,
you heard it here first, the paranormal show. That would
be incredible.
Speaker 2: There was years ago there was a paranormal show. They
were from the UK, but they were over in America
when they did it, and it was two ladies and
they were paging themselves and they would go around the
houses and they would go and cleanse the house. It
was really interesting, really really back in the day when
the paranormal shows first were really coming out on the mainstream.
So you never know, you might have heard it here first.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, which.
Speaker 4: Pact is all about the paranormal, isn't it?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: People, We had a report come to one of our
ritual from the local paper and he said that when
he said to his kids, I'm going to spend the
night with some witches, the evening with some witches, they
were hysterical, crying and hanging on twim Daddy, don't go,
you won't come back. It's just like and you call
me gets what's actually really nervous about coming? When the
newspaper sent there, and I was just like, you know,
when you're witched, I think what you look like from
the outside, do you. But obviously that the media presentation
of witches over the years. You know, we're more paranormal
than anything I think, especially from the media descriptions of us.
But yeah, I mean, we don't see it as paranormal.
We just see it as part of the universe.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: The thing, you know, it's just normal to us. It's
not anything extraordinary, if you like, you know, going outside
and even an offering for a goddess. You know, people
think that was odd, but to us it isn't. It's
just perfectly normal, isn't it. Or calling gun you know,
I call on my goddesses like people call on God,
you know, the Christian God. Yeah, So I don't think
you get much stranger than that, really.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, And I think I always Yeah, when in
the Muggle well, when people will hear about the work
that even done to the paranoral researcher being involved with
rich Craft, they were like all weirdos and all the
best people are ye underestimate the are the weirdos we go.
So I think I think a lot has shifted, There
has been a shift in people's perceptions about who I mean.
I go back to the paranormal stuff because that's kind
of where I'm most routed in. But how far we've
come in terms of how saturated the media is with
paranormal research is now they go out or ghost hunters
that go out and you know, it's everywhere, It is
on everywhere. So but back in the day, there wasn't
anything there an Yeah, people wouldn't do that. So I
feel like we make movement, but at the same time,
there is always persecution, isn't there. It's different or it
goes against the grain and as persecution, so it is
hopefully we'll keep on movement, making movements forward.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's been a big difference since Lockdown,
because you know, when we had lockdown, people had to
all get off that hamster ladder, didn't they where they're
all earning living and they never stopped, They never stopped
at all to stop and think. And then they got
off that ladder for that time of lockdown, and then
they had time to think, and they had time to
go back out into nature and absorb the energies of nature.
And I think a lot of people, I mean I
noticed through lockdown my Facebook pages were not by a
good few thousand because people then realize that actually it's
not all about going to work and earning money. To
pay the mortgage and buy a new car and go
on holiday. There's something else out there, and I think
people are starting to explore that now, and happened since
twenty twenty. I think people that's why we've had such
a surge in paganism and witchcraft and some interest in it.
I mean, quite frankly, for twenty twenty, no one was
ever interested in talking to us. But then after twenty twenty,
you know, like newspapers always banging the door. Had some
lady come the other day called Broke Hard Now. I
don't know if you've heard of her. It's like a
sort of rock singer chick come medium and she sort
of married a spirit on TV.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah. And the pirate I've
married the pirate wasn't he?
Speaker 4: Was he a soldier?
Speaker 3: I think I think he was a soldier. I'm not
quite sure. Anyway, she came because she's got her own
TV channel or something. I mean, you see the TV
chanced to people like now, and she went to come
and do it have a chat. And I was thinking, oh, what,
you know, what I've got coming? And actually she was
a really lovely girl, she really was. And I just
said I said, oh, you you know, I was a
bit cautious about you coming, you know, because to me,
if you think I do, it is quite normal. But
I think if I'd married a spirit, I wouldn't be
telling people about it, you know, I'll be keeping that
sort of thing to myself, you know, not putting it
on like GM TV. So I was a bit like, oh,
is this like an attention see cat?
Speaker 6: Is this one? But she wasn't.
Speaker 3: She was actually very nice, and you know, she said
she did marry her spirit, and I was like, okay, anyway,
we've done a little.
Speaker 4: Spell for resh.
Speaker 3: She wants to be a famous rock star by next year,
so I will see what happens. Heard it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's all like paranormal.
Speaker 3: Because she married she on like apparently several times on TV,
on different shows, you know, because people's interest in him,
like talking about marrying this spirit is like immense apparently.
So it just shows the interest now in the paranormal,
doesn't it absolutely?
Speaker 2: And I think I mean we are quite a way apart,
but we have cut things that come up all over ESTIX.
So if there's an investigation that you'd be interested in
coming along, to you. More than welcome coming along to
some of ours. Absolutely, we recently had one Colchester Castle
and the Georgian Manor House that's on on the grounds
and that's a phenomenal location, especially the links in history
to the trials as well, especially in Essex. Yeah, so yeah,
it's incredible.
Speaker 3: We have someone at the festival Awaars to talk on
the Essex Witch Trials and I think he's had some
statue put up somewhere.
Speaker 2: Is that John John Worland? Yes, I love him. Yes,
he is amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's very kind.
Speaker 3: He always brings us some homemade meat, brings us a
big butler meat for covered.
Speaker 4: It's lovely, isn't he He.
Speaker 2: Is really lovely guyer Yeah, absolutely becomes every year to
loves it sce.
Speaker 4: He loves our festival and he always does a talk
on I'm the trials. Bless him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think we we spoke about us the
Kemp documentary. Yeah, very interesting. Oh, thank you. We've come
to the end of our show. It's gone so quickly.
Thank you so much for talking to us. So whilst
we still have you, where can everyone find you.
Speaker 3: So so they can go to our website which is
www dot Covenofgaya dot co dot uk, and all our
social media is on the website so they can just
click on whichever social media they'd like to go on.
And we have several pages on Facebook literally all called
is Covenan of Gaya. They're all Covenant Guya pages. Some
are private and some are open, so private ones for
people who don't want of the people to know that
they're learning witchcraft because obviously people can't see who's on.
Speaker 4: There or what we write about.
Speaker 3: And then we have open ones as well for people
that are just general pages with all witchcraft knowledge.
Speaker 4: It's mainly all teaching.
Speaker 3: And then obviously we have our instrument at TikTok, Covenan
of Gaya's and Coventry witch so people find us easily,
just have to watch that they get the correct ones
because there's so many fraudulent especially on TikTok. I think
there's four hundred Covenant guyers at the moment. So no,
we don't follow anybody on any of our social media,
so if you find a Covenant Guy or a Coventry
which it doesn't follow anybody, then that will be us.
Speaker 2: But thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 4: It's been really interesting. Really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for talking to us. You're welcome. Thanks,
thank you. So we're going to say good night, good morning,
good afternoon, wherever you are. Thank you so much for
joining us to speak. We are going to link all
of the pages onto our Facebook page and our socials
as well Smite. You're going to have a check them
out and we will see you next time. Thank you, bye.
Speaker 6: Thanks,