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Speaker 1: You're listening to said the Sanctum.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. I am Kerry Ann and you are

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listening to Seventh Sanctum and this evening I am being

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joined by Natalie. Welcome Natalie. Good evening, morning, afternoon, Hello,

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whenever you're listening, and we have a really we have

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a special guest, and we've been looking forward to talking

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to Julie for a while now. So we have Julie

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from a commentary which the commentary Witch, how are you Julie?

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Speaker 3: I'm all good, Thank you, Hello to everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. So really we

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just want to get stuck in because we've got so

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many things to ask. I'm going to be honest, I'm

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a little bit fine Girlian because I've been following your

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account for a long time. I love your inspiration, your

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spells and how you deliver them. It's fantastic. So it's

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really really cool to be able to talk to you

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this evening. So I'm looking forward to learning all about

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your journey. So really, the first place we always start

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when we have someone come along is we ask where

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and how and what brought you to where you are now.

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Speaker 3: So I've always been following the witchcraft path for the

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last forty odd years and we started TikTok for a

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bit of a joke and Instagram, so we find set

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a covering up about seven years ago and we do

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a big festival every year in Coventry called the Festival

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of Pagans and Witches, and that is to bring together

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people who who might have a feeling about spirituality or

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witchcraft but don't know where to go or what to

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do about it. And you know yourself, if you go

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on social media, there's just it's mind boggling, isn't it.

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You know, it's just freaking madness on there. So we

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set a festival up so people could come and they

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could talk to different covens and different witches, and there's

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druids and witches and pagans and pagan Seminarya there and

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people can just come and talk and they can attend

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workshops and go to night rituals and see what it's

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all about, become part of a community.

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Speaker 4: And then after we started the festival up.

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Speaker 3: For a bit of a laugh, Anne and I were

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in the spell room one day and we were doing

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a spell and somebody had said to us show on

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TikTok and we were like, I don't even know how

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to work tiktop. I didn't even know what TikTok was,

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to be fair, and so I said, oh, okay, I

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said to it, and right, let's give it a go.

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Let's just to expell and we'll record it. And we

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sort of did, and we sort of went viral straight

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well within a couple of days. And so we started

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our Government of Guira account eighteen months ago and we

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have just under eight hundred thousand followers on there, so

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that's pretty good going apparently for eighteen months. Yeah, yeah,

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and then and then we sort of did the Instagram

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and then to be fair, this is a bit of

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a so a lot of the money that we make,

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all the many that we get from TikTok goes in

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cove and funds, and we tend to give a lot

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to charities and we do good things with it, you know,

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we use it to do good. And then also actually

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this is a lot really easy way to earn money

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for the coven. So and then were let's set up

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Coventry Witch in Birmingham, which and then so that's what

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we did. So so I think my Coventry Wich, but

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that's certainly been go in a few months and then

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we were like oh and then with all the thing

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about TikTok, we were like, oh god, now we've got

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to learn another social media. So we thought, oh, we'll

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join Instagram just in case TikTok goes. But we didn't

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know if you could even murder, how you worn't money

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on it on Insta or whatever. So anyway, we set

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up and that was probably ten weeks ago and that's gone.

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I think we've got sixty thousand uncovering of Guya and

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one hundred and twenty thousand uncoverentry witch so which is

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mad in a couple of months, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just like you just go, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: But then we were like, oh, we just don't know

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how you make any money off it. And then we

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realized subscribers. So that's what I've been doing earlier. So

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we have subscribers on all of the channels, and then

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we do a witchy lesson every minday, all the subscribers

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can watch our lesson, our witchcraft lesson, and then so

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we have like two phones going on with the coven

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of gout subscribers and one with Instagram. One we ticked

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up one with Insta subscribers on it, and to me,

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like it's it's like it's good because I know some

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of the spouse we do are a bit ott, but

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they're gain as followers. And then there's followers become subscribers

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and then we can teach some witchcraft properly.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: They get a proper hour lesson every week about all

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different topics and they can ask what questions they want

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and they really enjoy it. You know, we have lots

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and lots of people on the subscribers watching because like

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because they can trust what we say, they know we

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know what we're talking about, so they really do we.

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which is really good, I think subscribers.

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Speaker 4: And that's so this was all a bit.

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Speaker 3: Of a joke really, and I think once we realize

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what good we could do with the money, we were like, oh,

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you know, we'll just do it then, and we get

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we have an online coven as well, so we don't

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just have the inner cover, and we have an online

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govern and they weat two big lessons with them and

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they join us for rituals by zoom and they're all

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on a big WhatsApp group all of them where they

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like waffleshit all day and all night because they're all

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in different parts of the world, so they're constantly waffly

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shit on there. And then we have mentor groups where

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we all mentor them into smaller groups. So there's quite

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a lot of work really, But you know, I mean,

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we just sent a donation. We just sent one thousand

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pounds to some children a week or so ago, and

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then we just sent into the five hundred pound yesterday

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to the local dogs home.

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Speaker 4: So it's all good. You know, it's all good. All

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the subscriber when he goes to good Causes.

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Speaker 5: Wow. So considering it was like a bit of a

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joke to start off with, it's quite funny how it's

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just sort of like mushroom.

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Speaker 6: It's like without even because.

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Speaker 5: Like to get viral, it's just completely random apparently, like

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just going viral. It's like it just seems to be

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the will of the gods as to who gets their

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videos sort of highlighted.

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Speaker 6: So the rid of my god, I think. Yeah, I

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was going to say, I always say.

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Speaker 3: The gods have a reason for everything, and I think

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the reason that they made us go through like the

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reason they made our festival and success, the reason I

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Coven is so well known, the reason why we've gone

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viral on Instagram and on tiktop is because you know,

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they want us to pass the message.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're really normal for witches, aren't we. You know,

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we're normal. We're not.

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Speaker 3: You know, you had to see us with you know,

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you see the videos on TikTok and into that, and

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they're beautiful videos, whether all made and the candles all things,

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and you see us we're dropping soul everywhere and it's

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like a ship show sometimes when we're doing you know,

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on the videos and lots, someone's being in the background.

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and it's really normal. And it just shows that like

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witchcraft is a real normal thing that it's not. Don't

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have to be this extraordinary person. Everyone can be a

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witch if they want to. You know, it's it's normal.

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of the compon have got normal day jobs, you know,

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but we don't stop being witches when we're in our

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day jobs. We can still you know, I train security

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docs from my day job and in our offices. We've

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got an altar in there and as them across the door,

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you know. So it's I think it's just to show that.

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reason we've gone by.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, because that's what I quite enjoyed about your

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Instagram is like how accessible your spells were because you

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just assume that you have to have the right astrological

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conjunctions and special this and special that.

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Speaker 6: Then you're just sitting there on your.

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Speaker 5: Table with like a few bits ago, do this, do this,

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do this, Bob, and you're just like, wown't believe.

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Speaker 3: You know we have I mean we have one of

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the covern really just answers messages all day long. What

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she does in between two works as the theater, and

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I think like they're waiting to take someone into theater.

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She's there answering the tiktop messages and the instant messages.

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Speaker 4: But you would be shocked at how many.

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Speaker 3: People message and say thank you, that's about work to treat,

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and they could believe that was so easy to do

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and it's worked for them, you know.

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Speaker 4: And then you know it slightly said.

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Speaker 3: They think it needs to fit the astrological time and

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you know, on a certain day in the certain planet time,

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and and that they have to like do all this shipe,

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which don't you know, You just you just need to

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do basics and believe. That's it. That's all you need

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to do the basics and believe. And yeah, if we're

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doing a really hard spell, then yeah, you do go

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that little bit further. And you might like, you know,

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make sure you do it on the full moon, or

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you might do it on that certain day, or you know,

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you might do it in the hour of Venus.

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Speaker 4: But you know, that's if you're doing.

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Speaker 3: When we do spouse for the people, we tend to

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go that little bit further because we do want them

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to work for them, you know. But if because it's

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it's harder to do a spoull for somebody else and

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it is to do one for yourself, you to do

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when you for yourself, You've got all that intent for it,

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haven't you. So when we're if I was doing a

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spout for you, I would have to put more effort

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in than if I was doing one for myself. Yeah,

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that little bit further. We don't show them on picked up,

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you know, their private with videos, and we send them

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to the people within the spell for but we we

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Speaker 4: But you don't need to have fits for yourself.

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Speaker 3: You really don't. And like the old freezer spell, I

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mean that's just brilliant. You know, you someone's pitting the

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freezer and that's it. You know, you don't hear from

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one for six months. It's lovely until you forget that

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you've done it and take it out and it depress

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Speaker 4: You're like on back it again.

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Speaker 5: I think the world kind of runs on metaphors, and

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it's like if you can find the right metaphor, because

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it's like I noticed a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of spells that the ingredients.

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Speaker 5: So like you're thinking, well that's hot and spicy, so

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theoretically and it's hot and spicy would have a similar effect. Yeah,

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so that's how you can have the range across the

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world where they have a similar spell but with different

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it's but the freezer spell was kind of genius.

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Speaker 3: If they're great and they do work, you know, the

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easier the spell, the more they work, it seems, you know,

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believe that we know what we're talking about. They do

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believe that what we do chosen it works, and because

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of that, it does work. So sometimes you have to

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think is it the spell or is it their mind

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making it work? Because like if you get up on

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a shitty day and it's fucking raining, it's pissing down,

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and you haven't slept in you're all right, famive, you

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look in the mirror and go, fuck me, I look rough,

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ship day to day. And what happens? You have a

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really shit day, don't you. But then you get up

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and you feel really good and it's a lovely, warm

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morning when you wake up and you can see the

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sunshining through your curtained and you get up and you go,

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it's going to be a good day to day? And

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like the point of view changes what you see

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and how you've perceived things, how the world works in

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a weird kind of way.

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Speaker 3: It's exactly the same as spells. It really is. If

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you believe it will work, it will work. And I

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say to people, you know, say to the convent sometimes

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to get well, do you reckon that's going to work?

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or not. If they believe it's going to work, it

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will work. You know. So if some my phone's is

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up and they say they emailers or their phone, they

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text and all sorts and WhatsApp, and they go, oh,

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done this, but I spilt something or the candle, and

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I said to them, don't you worry, the spell will

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still work. And they mess with me a week there

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and they go, it has worked, and it's worked because

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I've told them it's going to work, so they believe

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it will work.

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Speaker 4: So it does work. And that's how all magic works.

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Speaker 6: Do you think you need the physical link as well?

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Speaker 5: You know, because theoretically if it was just one belief,

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but the actual act of something physical as in doing

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the spell, also adds the focus to it.

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Speaker 6: Will it to be? So?

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Speaker 3: Same thing again, if you if you if you go out,

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and I suppose it's a bit like you've got to

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get yourself in the part, so you put your cloaker,

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or you put yourself in your ritual clothes and you

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have your ingreed. The ingredients will play a part because

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all of those ingredients and all of those crystals and

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all of those things, they have the correspondence that relates

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to something that you're trying to get to. So it's

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like little boosters. If you like, each thing you use

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will boostep. Yeah. But so if I was doing something

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for law, I would make sure I put some mint

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in there, because mint, the herb mint is really good

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for luck. Or if I wanted something for protection, or

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take an obsidian piece of obsidian and put that in

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whatever it was that I was doing. So already in

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your mind your mind again, isn't it You're thinking all

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that will push the spell because that's obsidian for protection,

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or that will make me look good because I put

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the mint in there, and I put a spoonful of cinnamon.

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Cinnamon's like an enhancer, and I'm throwing a bit of

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dragon's blood in so that make the spell go fast.

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So but if you really look all the herbs, they

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all do everything pretty much, you know, everything they really do.

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You know, you like you're not put sage in it,

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like protects. You can use it for me, you can

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use it for health, you can use it for love,

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you can just use it for everything.

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Speaker 4: So you don't need hipload to stop.

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Speaker 3: You just needs four or five different types of crystals

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if you want to go down that road, and five

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or six different herbs, and and you can pretty much

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do every spell with those. Clear quarts will replicate any

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crystal anyway, and rosemary will replicate any herbs. So even

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if you only had clear quarts and rosemary, you could

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pretty much do every spell from those.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's magic in one page or less.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it is the same.

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Speaker 3: I know you say it isn't all in the mind,

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that so much of it is in the mind.

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Speaker 4: It really is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you think of those people who the power

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of our mind is immense.

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Speaker 4: You think of those.

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Speaker 3: People when there's been an emergency and they've lifted a

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car on their own. That's the power of their mind

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has got them to do that. You know, it's give

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them superhuman strength.

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Speaker 4: And it's this.

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Speaker 3: It is the same with spe You can know all

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the correspondences in the world, but if you don't believe

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in that spell, it won't work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the world's more malleable than it appears

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to be on its surface as well, isn't it. It's

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not just the physical representation. There are sub sub energies

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within it, and that's what allows everything to sort of

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like affect everything else. And like you say, the belief

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does affect the world. It is kind of strange how

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it happens in a way, but it does make sense

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at the same time if you accept that things aren't

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just physical and that, like you say, your will or

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your intention, your belief, the way you think has an

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actual effect in the world as well through it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the world everything to ying and yang,

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isn't it? You know, everything is just black and as white,

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and the universe is just this big fat We're just

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made of energy or we are? Is energy really just

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wearing a skit? You know, human skin? We're just energy

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and you know, people go when you die, but actually energy,

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you can't kill energy. Energy doesn't die, so we just

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transfer into something else, you know, We're still that energy.

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We just lose the human skin. And so when you

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think it like that, then everything is energy.

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Speaker 6: Isn't that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's energies.

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Speaker 3: Energies could be manipulated, and that's really what we don't.

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We manipulate the energies to get what we want. That's

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my definition of witchcraft, manipulating energies to get what you

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want from it.

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Speaker 6: How do you.

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Speaker 5: And I know that some of your spells have been

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a little bit more sort of hexy in tone, how

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do you reconcile sort of like you know, how the

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very very often the tenet of a like witchcraft does

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and it harm none and things like that, how do

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you reconcile you like, you say, sticking someone in a

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free I mean that's relatively been nine to be fair,

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seeing them in a freezer. But you know, when you've

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got like somebody's annoying you, so do a quick five minutes.

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How do you how does your ff what's the best

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way of saying it? How do your ethics play into that?

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Or do you believe that the world has a balance anyway?

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So if it's supposed to happen, it will, and if

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it doesn't, you know, it's sort of like not.

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Speaker 6: Going to work or is it? How what's your understanding

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of that?

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Speaker 4: Fair sly the harm known and the power of three.

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Speaker 3: The rule of three is wickan so Wickan is religious

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religious part of witchcraft, so on that Wickan, and none

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of our covens are Wickan. We'res witches. So we don't

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really believe in the power of three. We don't believe

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that what what what you put out will come back

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on you three times. I mean the amount of many

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I've given to charity. If that's true, I'll be a

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billionaire by now. To be fair, if if that was

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the case, But I don't joke in apart it isn't,

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is it? Because a lot of my curse and hex

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spouse they're a bit tongue in cheek. To be fair,

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you know that they're not to be taken. I really

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should put a little warning on the bottom, you know,

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do not take too seriously. But I do always say,

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you know, if you're going to do this, don't do

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it because your neighbors stop the fucking twos up at

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you and told you to do one. This has got

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to be for something terrible, that somebody has done something

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terrible and they've gone and punished for it. So so

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you had a little sister and somebody brutally merged your

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little sister and they didn't get caught for it. Then

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you would want to make sure that they got punished,

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wouldn't you. Yeah, And that's what those sort of things

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are for. If somebody and a lot of people that

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do a lot of horrible things in this world, an

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awful lot of people that do an awful lot of

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horrible things. And like I said, I do say to people,

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don't do this because your neighbors pissed you off, you know,

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by like throwing a bit of rubbish in your garden.

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This must be for something somebody who's gone and punished

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for doing something serious.

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Speaker 5: There is a degree of consideration in there as to

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the where you place the focus of your intent, rather

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than like, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: I've got five security offs. Someone pleased them.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the spells that I see recently,

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actually coming a little bit from what Natalie was just

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speaking about, was the walking a mile of walk a

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mile in my shoes karma spell. That was a really simple,

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straightforward with the intention of doing none. If you've done

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to me, it comes back to you. It's about you

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feel that.

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Speaker 3: You feel and the bane that you caused me. You're

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not going to feel that he and pain, So that

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isn't really doing anything wrong. That's just I would say,

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you know, if someone feels the hurt and pain that

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they've caused you, then that's going to make them a

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bit of a better person, really, isn't it, because they're

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going to realize what they're doing and maybe not do

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that to somebody out again. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It's like a cause and effect thing, almost, isn't it.

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It's like you've you've caused me in issue, so I'm

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going to cause something back to you, and it's just

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like a reciprocal reciprocal thing. So it's like you kind

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of always bring it on yourself anyway by doing that action,

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so you're just sort of like acting on behalf of

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in a way.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes.

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Speaker 3: Like that, you know, and some of them just for

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effect and you know the bit of drama, aren't they

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liven up the week a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I really do show all sides of witchcraft, you know,

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we're not just like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's just do the loved spouse and the you know,

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the nicey, nicy spouse, because that isn't witchcraft, you know

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which paft is or you know in the in the

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Oldpening folk were the old witches from from old times

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in the UK. You know, they were like the wise

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woman in the village, and more people went to the

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wise woman for curses than they needed for things, for

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good things, Okay, because that's that's human nature, isn't it. Yeah,

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I was going to say this, Yeah, I could well

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believe that, especially in a village, you know, from a

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neighbor cursed, the farmers peeve me after give me some

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sour mill, you know. And that's and that's what it

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used to be. And you know it probably is still

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like that now because you only have to look at

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the video views. The curses and the hexes go viral,

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you know, they get really high views, and you say,

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I'll show you how to do a nice love spell,

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and they're like, I'm not interested in that, you know,

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with one a bit of drama. So and we use

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it to our own advantage, you know, I take I

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do say that to the people, you know, use them

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to my own advantage. We use them to build up

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my following, and then from the following, we take the

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subscribers who do want to learn about witchcraft the really

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and then we give them lessons and we start them

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at the very basics and then we talk that we

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go through week by week on building them up until

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they're confident in all aspects of witchcraft, which is good.

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And most of them just stay subscribers. You know, you

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can't get rid of them once they subscribe. This one

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stay with you, you at the end of a message,

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you know, asking questions all the time. But it's all good.

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Speaker 4: We don't I don't mind.

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Speaker 6: I don't mind to have them engaged with you though

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as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's that's samely doing something right because they're

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engaging with what you're teaching. Ye. So yeah, so the

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questions in a way is good thing, I guess, because

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they are actually considering what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Yes are You know, we do subscriber lives where we

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do pendulums and card pools for them and meditation, so

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we need they get a bit of everything. They mix

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it all up a bit. And obviously we've written a

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book that we published of course, so you think you're

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a witch and gosh, and that is basically talking you

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through witchcraft from zero two hundred.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It gives us full of exercises and practices to do

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things to help your intuition. Things start a spouse to

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start off with, and all about why you would do

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this or use that, and that book's gone really well.

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We were really surprised how well it has gone.

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Speaker 6: Brilliant. That's so. Yeah, it's nice when somebody.

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Speaker 3: Yes chapter even the historians. So it's a bit borings

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00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,920
all about the history of witchcraft. So we shoot it

475
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:03,440
at the pack.

476
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, So what is your most asked for spell?

477
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,039
When I said hexes, but is there a spell in

478
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,640
particular that is the most Yeah, that seems to be

479
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,000
a common theme when we speak to other which is

480
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,319
we year old GoF witch in America. He also says

481
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,920
the same thing love spells out of his zeros. Yeah,

482
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,000
where do you go?

483
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: Long?

484
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,279
Speaker 2: Where where do you sit with that? Where do you

485
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:44,759
in terms of love spells? I started my journey as

486
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:48,720
a Wiccan and now practice of a practicing pagan. But

487
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,720
one of the quotes that used to uh, just kind

488
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,359
of over the heads of love spells is never start

489
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,960
a marriage in a hostage situation. And I always it's

490
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:04,559
always kind of just rung. Yeah, whenever I thought about

491
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,000
those spells, So where do you sit with that? Would

492
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:07,319
you think?

493
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: Well? I think if there's no feeling there to start,

494
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,039
nothing will work. You can do love spells all day long.

495
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,519
But if they have not got that tiny bit of

496
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,680
feeling inside them, they won't work, you know, and we

497
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,119
do say that to people. Don't waste too many because

498
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,319
you know, if you're asking me to do a love

499
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,039
spell between you and Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt don't know

500
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,880
you exist love, so you've got no hopes of that working.

501
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,200
So I know people say about, oh, no, you're messing

502
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,440
with with free will. You know that's one everyone, because

503
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,200
you're messing with free will. You're messing with free will

504
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,480
with every single spell that you do, a love spell,

505
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,279
be it a health spell. If I did a healing

506
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,880
spell for you, thought she doesn't look very well, I'm

507
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,759
going to send a bit of healing, then you know

508
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,799
I haven't asked your permission, so it's I've took away

509
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,720
your free will for that. So it's exactly the same.

510
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,799
Any spou you do will take away people's free will.

511
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:09,680
So you know, that's that one out the window.

512
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,519
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry. Sorry now I was going to say, actually,

513
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:20,000
I remember you watching some content that you made about this. Actually, no,

514
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:23,119
you've mentioned this and as well talking about the law

515
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,200
of balance that yeah, okay, yeah, you.

516
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 4: Know, at the end of the day.

517
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,519
Speaker 3: You can do all the spouse you like, okay, but

518
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,759
you're not going to get that person. If it isn't

519
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,240
meant to be, it's not going to be, is it.

520
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 5: You know?

521
00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: If if it is meant to be, then it will

522
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:45,480
be so for all the intent in the world, you know,

523
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:48,839
I could give as much intent in the world, but

524
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,839
I am not going to I'm not going to get

525
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:58,279
somebody that I don't know, and the chances of them

526
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:03,519
meeting me on my plane are more and real, you know,

527
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,720
and the universe will do. You See, we all have

528
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,240
our own paths, don't we. That's a that's a problem.

529
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,039
We've all got our little paths of a fate that

530
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,799
we're going through all through our lives. And if it's

531
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,279
not your fate to meet that person, doesn't matter how

532
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:22,960
many spells you do, you're not going to meet them.

533
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,480
I know people would love to think they could, but

534
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,720
they won't, you know.

535
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,519
Speaker 6: I think that's why some love spells are a non specific,

536
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:34,960
aren't they.

537
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:37,599
Speaker 5: Like you know, there's some love spells that I want

538
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,880
that person, and then there's the other ones that I

539
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,119
want someone.

540
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the ones will work, you know. I want

541
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,039
the right person for me, I want, I want someone

542
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:51,799
who will love me, and they do work. They'll work

543
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:57,039
all day long because you're not being so specific with

544
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,599
that intent of you're demanding that per But I really

545
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,200
believe that you know, in less, unless that person or

546
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,640
it's meant to be or they're on your path, then

547
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:09,920
it would they won't work.

548
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,119
Speaker 4: They won't work. Love spells are difficult.

549
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: It's not like many spells is it, or good luck

550
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,759
spells or abundance so easy to get. I think the

551
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,400
bloody hard hard to do. I mean, I'll tell you

552
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,240
a story about one. So someone asked us for a spell.

553
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:32,359
A guy in America and his girlfriend had gone off

554
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,279
with somebody else and he wanted to spell, and he

555
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,279
was quite specific. He wanted to spell for that guy

556
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:42,720
to move away. So he did the spell and the

557
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,160
guy moved away. But guess what, she just went off

558
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,920
with somebody different. So the spell worked, he got what

559
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,400
he wanted for that guy to move away, but it

560
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,720
didn't bring them back together, you know, because you just

561
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,799
wanted to with another guy after that guy and then

562
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,200
he had Yeah.

563
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,759
Speaker 6: I was going to say, his focus is and on

564
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,680
getting her back? Is it by doing that? You know,

565
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,160
we tried to.

566
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:10,839
Speaker 3: You know, we don't argue, you know, we give people

567
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,359
a piece of paper in time to fill out what

568
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,880
it is they actually want. That's what we do, you know.

569
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:19,200
And to be fair, he then asked us to do

570
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,119
another one to get rid of this other guy, and

571
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:25,680
the same thing happened, exactly the same.

572
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,839
Speaker 6: He didn't learn the first time, And then about the fourth.

573
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: Time, I think it was, he said, can you actually

574
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,319
do a spell to get us back together? I did,

575
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,759
but I said, you know, I bet that went lasts

576
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,319
more than three months. I've got back together because we

577
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:44,920
changed her will to get back with him, but I'll

578
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:46,759
give it three months and he'll be on the phone

579
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:48,359
again because she'll have picked off again.

580
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: Some people just don't do that.

581
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: Sorry.

582
00:31:53,839 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, the doctor him was very grateful for hearing me.

583
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 5: That's somebody who's very focused on a specific outcome, though,

584
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:14,599
isn't it. It's like if it didn't wait, yeah, you.

585
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,359
Speaker 3: Know, that's what you get. You get things like that

586
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:24,079
all the time. So we turned down lots of requests.

587
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: To be fair, you know, just like.

588
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,079
Speaker 3: We don't really do that for you. We do some,

589
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,680
but we don't we don't do many. We only do

590
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,519
spouse on the full moon anyway for people, So we

591
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,200
can't do a lot. Mm hmmm.

592
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 5: Are there anything any specific sort of requests that you

593
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,559
wouldn't ever consider?

594
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: You know, you have a line or curse for anybody else,

595
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:54,640
you know, het or curse. We tend to mainly the

596
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:57,680
our spouse, a lot of the spouse. We do it

597
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:02,839
for jobs or that happiness. People want happiness, they want peace.

598
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,119
And that's the same as I said before. If we

599
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,920
say with the spell and you're going to be you know,

600
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,039
your look's going to change normally they look just change.

601
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,559
Now Is that because their mindset's changed or our spells

602
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:19,440
worked or a bit bo don't know?

603
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:19,839
Speaker 5: Do you?

604
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 7: Like?

605
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,839
Speaker 5: You say though the spell you know your ingredients is

606
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,319
a spell sort of like give little boost to the spell.

607
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 6: It's in a weird way. The spell gives a boost

608
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:33,240
to somebody's life in one way. It's kind of like

609
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,680
we're within a wheel thing, isn't it. I guess? Yeah,

610
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:39,480
put it.

611
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: Actually it just give the boost to people. Yeah, and

612
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,559
if they believe, the more they believe, the more it works.

613
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,119
Speaker 2: I read them this interesting concept about and now I

614
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,240
go back on texting, but that people are more susceptible

615
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:04,240
to a hex if they don't believe in it, which

616
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:09,239
is a bit contrary to what I've always thought. Hm,

617
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,000
I don't know.

618
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,199
Speaker 3: I mean, is that because they don't put protection on themselves.

619
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,400
Because if you believe that someone could hext you, will

620
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,719
curse you, then you tend to keep protection around yourself,

621
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,079
don't you. But if you don't believe that people can

622
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,719
hex or curse you, then you leave yourself wide open.

623
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the concept that they were going for,

624
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,440
but I just found it very different, very different to

625
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,039
the concept of what we're taught. Is if you think

626
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,599
the more belief there is in a spell, then the

627
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,559
more likely is going to work. And sometimes all you

628
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,559
need to do. I remember I had an ex partner

629
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,880
years ago who was convinced I'd put him in the freezer.

630
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,039
He asked me if he was next to my PS.

631
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,239
I was absolutely not. I have no need for you

632
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,159
to do that. But he had, in his own mind

633
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:01,400
convinced himself that I had done so anything that had

634
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,079
gone on in his life that kind of was a

635
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,079
bit unfortunate. He attributed to the fact that he felt

636
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,440
like I'd put him in a freezer. Firstly, I said,

637
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,519
you don't understand how a freezer works, clearly, but secondly no,

638
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,960
and did not do that. So yeah, it was just.

639
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,199
Speaker 4: We do get a lot of people who.

640
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 3: Who believe they've been cursed or hext and they say,

641
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,119
can you remove you know, I feel this heaviness all

642
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,719
the time, can you can you remove the curse? And

643
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,599
can you remove the hex? And I know our life

644
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:37,920
is so unlucky that you know it's an old family curse.

645
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,920
And you know, actually some people who are just unlucky,

646
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,679
aren't they Some people are just plain unlocky. They haven't

647
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,360
been hext or cursed, they're just unlucky in their life

648
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,400
like some people are looking in their life. So but

649
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,519
you know, we len't say that to them. We'll say, yeah,

650
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:56,199
of course we will, and then we'll always send them

651
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,679
like a little ambulet that we that we make at covern.

652
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,079
Speaker 4: So look going to give you.

653
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:05,159
Speaker 3: This ambulance for you to carry around and the messages

654
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:09,559
toreams don't say my life's turned around, don'tally everything is

655
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,920
going so well? And that again, you know, is that

656
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:20,519
because they they believe that they aren't cursed or hext anymore,

657
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,079
or was there a curse and a hex and we've

658
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:29,199
removed it and the ambulance protected them. Or is it

659
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,280
just the power of the mind? Again to me, which

660
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,280
craft is mainly power of the mind. Do you have

661
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,519
ways of telling if someone's text bookist, because you know,

662
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,480
some witchcraft editions have the thing with an egg and

663
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,400
then you crack the egg and then it shows you

664
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,360
whether there's tendrils and things off of it. Do you

665
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,039
have any prescriptive type things.

666
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 6: Ever to tell?

667
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,199
Speaker 3: Or we normally get We normally get the coventaro reader

668
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,320
and the astrologer. So we have covered astrologer who's phenomenal,

669
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,320
and she will normally look at their birth chart. Okay,

670
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,199
she'll read from their birth chart, and then the tarot

671
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,960
reader will poor cards and then we'll normally ask the pendulum.

672
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,320
But no, I don't believe there is a way to

673
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,400
know someone, if someone who is cursed, whether it is

674
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,639
I've never found a true way. To me, the truest

675
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,840
way I found is the astrologer reading the life path

676
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,480
of that person. The astrology readings they do, they can

677
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,400
literally take you from birth to death.

678
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 5: Wow, that's that's quite because astrology is quite a lot

679
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:40,960
more in depth than it seems.

680
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 6: Isn't it.

681
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:42,119
Speaker 2: It's like to be.

682
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: True, I do message Louise Covern astrologer and I'll say,

683
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,559
louis this a good time to do this? And then

684
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,920
she sends me back like a hundred lines about the

685
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,880
triton of something and something else can just give me

686
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,360
a yes or no and then she'll just text me

687
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,039
yes or no.

688
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 5: So yes, your your approach to witchcraft is more practical

689
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,679
in nature rather than the what ifs. It's like, let's

690
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,880
just do something about it and it'll it'll either you know,

691
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,079
like say boost it or not, and then we can

692
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,440
go from there and sort of work work out or

693
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,840
change a spell or you know as we progress.

694
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 6: That's that's so it's sort of like very down to

695
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,679
earth and just get on with it, get things done.

696
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: It's not worried about everyone's way, but it works for us. Yeah,

697
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,679
it's a very different, aren't we.

698
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:40,679
Speaker 3: To say?

699
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 5: No? That's a very practical approach though, isn't it. It's

700
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,480
sort of like it stops the questioning as well. It

701
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,960
just gives you, like say, it's empowering in a way

702
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,400
because it's just like, well, let's get it done anyway

703
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,960
and then really can you you know, it's it's an

704
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,599
interesting take on the power of them own thing in

705
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:02,960
the positive thinking and around back kindaway.

706
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:04,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fascinating.

707
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: So sorry. So with the you've obviously got your book

708
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,239
that's come out, you have your festivals that you're doing.

709
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,960
What can we expect in twenty twenty five? What have

710
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,440
you got coming up? You've just had a festival, isn't it?

711
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:29,960
Is that just past the Yeah? Right, okay, so we've got.

712
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,599
Speaker 6: One coming up.

713
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is May.

714
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: We've got some really good things coming up at this one.

715
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:41,079
We've got a firewalk, which we've got well we always

716
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:44,880
have a Witch's ball, have Daughters of Guya play there.

717
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,400
What else we've got We've got one hundred and forty workshops,

718
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,880
which I think is more than we've ever had. And

719
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,440
we've got two more covens, so we've got seven covened

720
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:01,519
different covens there now. And we've got two Druid tents,

721
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,880
so we've got the Angles Druid Order and then we've

722
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,679
got the some English Druids come in.

723
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 4: So it's all or quite mad.

724
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: It's quite good because it means I only have to

725
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,280
do one workshop instead of my normal three, so and

726
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,920
we're doing an extra day as well, So we're doing

727
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,920
for Satisyndy in the bank holiday Monday, so it's the

728
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,840
first bank holiday in May, first weekend, first bank holiday weekend.

729
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,400
So it's good.

730
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: It's good.

731
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: They can if anyone wants to come or have a

732
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,039
look at what's on. Then our website for that is

733
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,320
then a festival for pagans and which is dot co dot.

734
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,039
Speaker 2: Uk perfect, so sure that we give that a share.

735
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get a lot of We get so

736
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,400
many pagans there that aren't witches as well, get lots

737
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,480
of pagans. Come along, have a good main stage as well,

738
00:40:54,679 --> 00:41:01,880
have Krunos Rising play. James Turner, he also comes along.

739
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,280
Blessed him to have some good paging music.

740
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,039
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

741
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good.

742
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: I love work. I can imagine a lot organizing a

743
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,400
lot of work.

744
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm rockie because everyoneers a little bit, and you know,

745
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:24,400
it's such a chilled place. We had a sudden reporter

746
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,280
turn up one year and she said she got out

747
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,000
of the car and she burst into tears, and she

748
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,320
was a hard nosed reporter. She burst into tears and

749
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,360
said she just got out of her can. She just

750
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,360
felt this atmosphere of peace and so fair play to

751
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:44,599
She comes back to every festival with her sister. They

752
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,800
just buy tickets and come.

753
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,039
Speaker 7: Now.

754
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so incredible, yeah mad, but.

755
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what it's like there.

756
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 5: You know.

757
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: People said that they feel like they've come home when

758
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,440
they come and it's just like this big community people

759
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,199
that are all there to.

760
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,679
Speaker 4: Celebrate together. Really, so it is good. It's good myself.

761
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,599
Speaker 2: We'll make sure we're sharing them on to our socials

762
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,719
as well, that people know where they can find their tickets.

763
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,800
I wanted to circle around actually because we've covered quite

764
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,079
a lot of different topics. But one of the topics

765
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:28,360
that actually when we were talking about was when we

766
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,719
talk about how energy doesn't die, just transforms. So in

767
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,119
terms of like your witchcraft and your intuitive working, where

768
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:42,320
do you sit within the paranormal? What is that for you?

769
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: Well, I mean being a witchy is all paranormal, isn't it.

770
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,880
I mean we work with data, is you know? We

771
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:56,159
two of our covering mediums. So I've been asked to

772
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,840
go to the Festival of the Unexplained as a week.

773
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: Huh are you going to go?

774
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what you want me? Do you speak about?

775
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,039
Speaker 2: Oh? Do you have to be fair?

776
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: She said, so nice. They said, we'll put you up

777
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,039
in this in the hotel for the three nights. I'm like,

778
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,679
and you know, I'm not really sound. But they still

779
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,440
haven't told me what they want me to speak about.

780
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,719
They just said I'll be speaking. I was like, okay,

781
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,519
So I hope they tell me a bit, you know before,

782
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,800
like the week before, so I can prepare something.

783
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 4: I'll just be waffling ship.

784
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,199
Speaker 2: I reckon, that's probably they're going to want you to

785
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,840
just create your I wouldn't say what was it, but

786
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,159
I would say, just create your Yeah, it's a phenomenal

787
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,920
convention within the paranormal world. So that's fantastic and grab

788
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:52,000
both hands perfect. There are some really interesting speakers that

789
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,119
go along there, especially with h Yeah, so the paranormal

790
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:02,880
work that's going on at the moment so excellent. Same. Oh,

791
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:03,280
you know.

792
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,519
Speaker 3: It would be quite interesting just to to you know,

793
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,920
if I've got to do is I don't know, speak

794
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,039
every day or just speak once. I know they have

795
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,280
like a meal at night and you have to sit

796
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:17,119
at a table with people I think are gathered. They've

797
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:18,719
had to bed to some group. But they talk that

798
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,199
much on it. I can't make the tale of it,

799
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,760
but I'll probably just wring the lady in speak to her.

800
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,119
Speaker 4: But yeah, that I don't think it does look really

801
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:28,039
interesting to be.

802
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: Fair, absolutely, But like I said, so they obviously think

803
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,480
I know a bit about the paranormal to have been invited.

804
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:42,119
But on a realistic note, you know, witchcraft is all

805
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,719
about paranormal, isn't it. I mean, you know, we go

806
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,239
to the cemetery at sourn and we also end up

807
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,400
like bringing the spirit attachment back to the spell room

808
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,599
and then we have to drag it back to the cemetery.

809
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,559
And you know, we go to people's houses and cleanse

810
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:02,719
them because they think that they've got but I've got

811
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,639
somebody in there. You know that they don't want so

812
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,960
we you know, we did a lot of things like that.

813
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,119
You know, we do all of that free. We don't

814
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,199
charge for that. We just go out and we'll cleanse

815
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,480
houses and remove any spirits that are there. Well, you know,

816
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:21,039
I have a dead easy way of doing it. I

817
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,719
just secondly, fuck off, I think not welcome. They tend

818
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,840
to just go it's not mess out.

819
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: I could imagine what kind of paranoral investigation TV shows. Yeah,

820
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,760
you heard it here first, the paranormal show. That would

821
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,400
be incredible.

822
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:48,159
Speaker 2: There was years ago there was a paranormal show. They

823
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,440
were from the UK, but they were over in America

824
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,800
when they did it, and it was two ladies and

825
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,159
they were paging themselves and they would go around the

826
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,360
houses and they would go and cleanse the house. It

827
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,440
was really interesting, really really back in the day when

828
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,599
the paranormal shows first were really coming out on the mainstream.

829
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,079
So you never know, you might have heard it here first.

830
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, which.

831
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,519
Speaker 4: Pact is all about the paranormal, isn't it?

832
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 6: You know?

833
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:20,559
Speaker 3: People, We had a report come to one of our

834
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:24,920
ritual from the local paper and he said that when

835
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,239
he said to his kids, I'm going to spend the

836
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,159
night with some witches, the evening with some witches, they

837
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:35,559
were hysterical, crying and hanging on twim Daddy, don't go,

838
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,119
you won't come back. It's just like and you call

839
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,719
me gets what's actually really nervous about coming? When the

840
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,840
newspaper sent there, and I was just like, you know,

841
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,119
when you're witched, I think what you look like from

842
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,719
the outside, do you. But obviously that the media presentation

843
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,719
of witches over the years. You know, we're more paranormal

844
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:05,199
than anything I think, especially from the media descriptions of us.

845
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,519
But yeah, I mean, we don't see it as paranormal.

846
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,639
We just see it as part of the universe.

847
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: I think.

848
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,599
Speaker 3: The thing, you know, it's just normal to us. It's

849
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:26,559
not anything extraordinary, if you like, you know, going outside

850
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:32,199
and even an offering for a goddess. You know, people

851
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,840
think that was odd, but to us it isn't. It's

852
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,639
just perfectly normal, isn't it. Or calling gun you know,

853
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,960
I call on my goddesses like people call on God,

854
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:49,760
you know, the Christian God. Yeah, So I don't think

855
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,719
you get much stranger than that, really.

856
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:58,639
Speaker 2: Yeah no, And I think I always Yeah, when in

857
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,440
the Muggle well, when people will hear about the work

858
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,360
that even done to the paranoral researcher being involved with

859
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,360
rich Craft, they were like all weirdos and all the

860
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,440
best people are ye underestimate the are the weirdos we go.

861
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,960
So I think I think a lot has shifted, There

862
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:25,400
has been a shift in people's perceptions about who I mean.

863
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,480
I go back to the paranormal stuff because that's kind

864
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,320
of where I'm most routed in. But how far we've

865
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,079
come in terms of how saturated the media is with

866
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,239
paranormal research is now they go out or ghost hunters

867
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,880
that go out and you know, it's everywhere, It is

868
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,960
on everywhere. So but back in the day, there wasn't

869
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,840
anything there an Yeah, people wouldn't do that. So I

870
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,719
feel like we make movement, but at the same time,

871
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,519
there is always persecution, isn't there. It's different or it

872
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,480
goes against the grain and as persecution, so it is

873
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,360
hopefully we'll keep on movement, making movements forward.

874
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,639
Speaker 3: I think I think it's been a big difference since Lockdown,

875
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,840
because you know, when we had lockdown, people had to

876
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,360
all get off that hamster ladder, didn't they where they're

877
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,360
all earning living and they never stopped, They never stopped

878
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,199
at all to stop and think. And then they got

879
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,679
off that ladder for that time of lockdown, and then

880
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,199
they had time to think, and they had time to

881
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,679
go back out into nature and absorb the energies of nature.

882
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:36,679
And I think a lot of people, I mean I

883
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:42,159
noticed through lockdown my Facebook pages were not by a

884
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:48,159
good few thousand because people then realize that actually it's

885
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,599
not all about going to work and earning money. To

886
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:52,800
pay the mortgage and buy a new car and go

887
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,400
on holiday. There's something else out there, and I think

888
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,800
people are starting to explore that now, and happened since

889
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,800
twenty twenty. I think people that's why we've had such

890
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:11,119
a surge in paganism and witchcraft and some interest in it.

891
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:14,960
I mean, quite frankly, for twenty twenty, no one was

892
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,239
ever interested in talking to us. But then after twenty twenty,

893
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,039
you know, like newspapers always banging the door. Had some

894
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,960
lady come the other day called Broke Hard Now. I

895
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,960
don't know if you've heard of her. It's like a

896
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:35,719
sort of rock singer chick come medium and she sort

897
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,239
of married a spirit on TV.

898
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,199
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah. And the pirate I've

899
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:44,320
married the pirate wasn't he?

900
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:46,519
Speaker 4: Was he a soldier?

901
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: I think I think he was a soldier. I'm not

902
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,960
quite sure. Anyway, she came because she's got her own

903
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,639
TV channel or something. I mean, you see the TV

904
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,159
chanced to people like now, and she went to come

905
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,679
and do it have a chat. And I was thinking, oh, what,

906
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,519
you know, what I've got coming? And actually she was

907
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:14,239
a really lovely girl, she really was. And I just

908
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,360
said I said, oh, you you know, I was a

909
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,239
bit cautious about you coming, you know, because to me,

910
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,400
if you think I do, it is quite normal. But

911
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:24,039
I think if I'd married a spirit, I wouldn't be

912
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,559
telling people about it, you know, I'll be keeping that

913
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:28,960
sort of thing to myself, you know, not putting it

914
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:33,599
on like GM TV. So I was a bit like, oh,

915
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,880
is this like an attention see cat?

916
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,599
Speaker 6: Is this one? But she wasn't.

917
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:42,639
Speaker 3: She was actually very nice, and you know, she said

918
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:47,199
she did marry her spirit, and I was like, okay, anyway,

919
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:48,480
we've done a little.

920
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: Spell for resh.

921
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,199
Speaker 3: She wants to be a famous rock star by next year,

922
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,679
so I will see what happens. Heard it.

923
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's what I mean.

924
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 4: That's all like paranormal.

925
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:04,639
Speaker 3: Because she married she on like apparently several times on TV,

926
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,320
on different shows, you know, because people's interest in him,

927
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,960
like talking about marrying this spirit is like immense apparently.

928
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,360
So it just shows the interest now in the paranormal,

929
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,360
doesn't it absolutely?

930
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: And I think I mean we are quite a way apart,

931
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,440
but we have cut things that come up all over ESTIX.

932
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,840
So if there's an investigation that you'd be interested in

933
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,039
coming along, to you. More than welcome coming along to

934
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:37,119
some of ours. Absolutely, we recently had one Colchester Castle

935
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,599
and the Georgian Manor House that's on on the grounds

936
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:46,119
and that's a phenomenal location, especially the links in history

937
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:50,199
to the trials as well, especially in Essex. Yeah, so yeah,

938
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,239
it's incredible.

939
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: We have someone at the festival Awaars to talk on

940
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:59,360
the Essex Witch Trials and I think he's had some

941
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,639
statue put up somewhere.

942
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: Is that John John Worland? Yes, I love him. Yes,

943
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:09,599
he is amazing.

944
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's very kind.

945
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: He always brings us some homemade meat, brings us a

946
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,639
big butler meat for covered.

947
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: It's lovely, isn't he He.

948
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,639
Speaker 2: Is really lovely guyer Yeah, absolutely becomes every year to

949
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:24,440
loves it sce.

950
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: He loves our festival and he always does a talk

951
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,320
on I'm the trials. Bless him.

952
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think we we spoke about us the

953
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:44,440
Kemp documentary. Yeah, very interesting. Oh, thank you. We've come

954
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,039
to the end of our show. It's gone so quickly.

955
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Thank you so much for talking to us. So whilst

956
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,920
we still have you, where can everyone find you.

957
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: So so they can go to our website which is

958
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:04,719
www dot Covenofgaya dot co dot uk, and all our

959
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,199
social media is on the website so they can just

960
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,000
click on whichever social media they'd like to go on.

961
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:14,440
And we have several pages on Facebook literally all called

962
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,280
is Covenan of Gaya. They're all Covenant Guya pages. Some

963
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,719
are private and some are open, so private ones for

964
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,639
people who don't want of the people to know that

965
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,440
they're learning witchcraft because obviously people can't see who's on.

966
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 4: There or what we write about.

967
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: And then we have open ones as well for people

968
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,760
that are just general pages with all witchcraft knowledge.

969
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 4: It's mainly all teaching.

970
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 3: And then obviously we have our instrument at TikTok, Covenan

971
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,119
of Gaya's and Coventry witch so people find us easily,

972
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:51,880
just have to watch that they get the correct ones

973
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,440
because there's so many fraudulent especially on TikTok. I think

974
00:54:55,639 --> 00:55:01,440
there's four hundred Covenant guyers at the moment. So no,

975
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:04,360
we don't follow anybody on any of our social media,

976
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,800
so if you find a Covenant Guy or a Coventry

977
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,679
which it doesn't follow anybody, then that will be us.

978
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:14,519
Speaker 2: But thank you very much for having me.

979
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,159
Speaker 4: It's been really interesting. Really enjoyed it.

980
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for talking to us. You're welcome. Thanks,

981
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,079
thank you. So we're going to say good night, good morning,

982
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,880
good afternoon, wherever you are. Thank you so much for

983
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,880
joining us to speak. We are going to link all

984
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,159
of the pages onto our Facebook page and our socials

985
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,840
as well Smite. You're going to have a check them

986
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,360
out and we will see you next time. Thank you, bye.

987
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:44,639
Speaker 6: Thanks,