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Speaker 1: Hello, Shirley fans, thank you so much for coming to

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listen again. As per usual, we will keep this episode

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family friendly, but given that this is Motley Crue, the

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subject matter may not be suitable for younger listeners, so

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please bear that in mind. But without further ado, on

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with the ship Man. Welcome to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. I am here with my metal studded

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leather pants and my mass scare and blush on and

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Jason is in the spinning drum set of above me. Jason,

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have you got everything? Are you ready to go?

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Speaker 2: Let's go dye?

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Speaker 3: Ready to rock?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got my top fuel funny car, I got

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my custom Bilt bike that does one O three. I've

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got a Filipino girl here in a silvan dress, and

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most importantly, I've got a packages Candy Kane.

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Speaker 4: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you Can't Be

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Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten

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of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts

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James D. Graves and Jason Kliband.

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Speaker 1: All right here we are for our much anticipated Motley

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Crue Doctor Feel Good Versus skid Row skid Row matchup.

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I am so excited we're gonna be talking about Doctor

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feel Good today. I don't know that I've been this

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excited to talk about a band in all of the

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episodes that we've done. I'm just I'm chomping at the bit.

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This is such a great band to talk about.

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Speaker 3: There is so much interesting stuff that we could not

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cover at all in one podcast. Literally, there's three or

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four podcasts that we can do on Motley Crue.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is a storied life that they have led,

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and we fully anticipate that we're going to do several

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Motley Crue albums over the course of this podcast. So

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we don't want to spill everything now, but my gosh,

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there are so many fantastic stories out there there. I mean,

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it's an amazing combination of folks. You have two guys

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from the gutters who get together with two guys from

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the suburbs and they create the most hedonistic, kick in

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the butt awesome mix of music. It's incredible, It is incredible.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be amazing. So hold on to your seats.

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Let's get into Motley Crue Doctor Filger.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So our story begins on December twenty second, nineteen

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eighty seven. It is the end of a year long

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battle with Heroin that Nikky six has gone through and

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he is in Hong Kong. He has a flight out

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at nine pm. Doc McGhee has a flight out at

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six pm. Doc McGee makes his flight. Nicky, knowing Doc

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is gone, deliberately skips his flight. He goes to the

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interpreter Lee and says to her, if Doc finds out

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what I did, I'm gonna have to kill you. And

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then he laughs, but he doesn't think it's very funny.

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So they go out to explore the streets of Hong

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Kong and he happens to see an old man on

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street sitting next to like this steam coming out of

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the street, and he asks Lee, the interpreter, about it,

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and she says, oh, it's a fortune teller, and he's like, okay,

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let's go check it out. And so they walk over

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there and the fortune teller looks at Nicky six and

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he says, I don't want to tell his fortune, and

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Lee tells him and he says, come on, I mean

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it's no big deal and pushes his way into to

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the fortune and the fortune teller says Okay, give me

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your hand, looks at his hand, says something to Lee,

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and Lee says, He says that if you continue to

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do the things that you were doing, you will not

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live to see the end of the year. And Nicki

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six says, tell him thank you, because that gives me

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about a week longer than I thought I had. Reminder,

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this is December twenty second. He flies home and on

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December twenty third, as he arrives in La, his limo

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driver shoots him up after picking him up from the

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and he calls up Slash and says, let's go party.

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Speaker 1: So Slash, Steven Adler, Robin Crosby, and Slash's girlfriend Sally

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Sally McLoughlin all go out and they go to the

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cathouse and as they're there, living life to the fullest,

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limo to do cocaine, keep coming back in, and finally

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they just leave and go back to the hotel, leaving

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Sally behind. This is her first night in La. She's

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a little bit pissed. She has to walk back to

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the hotel. Steven Adler's got one room, Slash has got

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another room. When Nicky and Slash get to the room.

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He's like, can we get any junk anywhere? And Slash says,

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it from him. He brings it over. When Sally walks in,

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Nicky is obviously messed up, and she is obviously pissed

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at Slash for leaving her behind. So Nicky walks over

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to Stephen Adler's room and shortly thereafter comes back over

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to slash His room, looking like a ghost, and as

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Sally opens the door for him, he falls into the

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corner of the floor and stops moving and stops breathing,

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and the drug dealer that they have goes, oh crap,

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he's dead, and he jumps out the window and runs away.

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out of his mind, starts screaming Todd because he just

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had a friend a few weeks before who had died

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of a heroin over to us named Todd. He starts

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screaming Todd and tearing up the bathroom, breaks the glass

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door in the shower, glass shards fall over Sally as

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she's trying to revive Nicky six, and she gets up,

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punches him in the face and lays him out. She

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continues to try to revive Nicky six and he's not

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coming around all is the limo driver and says, I

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think he's dead. The limo driver calls Vince Neil and

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says Nicky's dead.

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Speaker 1: At this point, Vince Neil, who hated Nicky six, says,

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but when I heard this, I broke down in tears.

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The ambulance comes. They put a white sheet over him

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because he is dead, and it's only at the behest

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of some fans, some young girl fans outside saying please

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don't give up on him. That They give it one

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more try and they get his heart beating again. They

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take him to hospital. He's in and out of several

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operating rooms. They finally have him in one room. His

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heart is beating and he wakes up. He puts pulls

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all of the tubes out of him, walks out in

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the december cold in nothing but a dirty pair of

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leather pants. The girls who would beg the EMTs are

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standing outside with a candlelight, hoping that he doesn't die,

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and so he gets a ride from them back to

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his house. He goes into his house and he shoots

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up again. He wakes up with the needle still in

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his arm, blood in his hand, and he realizes what

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has happened, and he decides, I can't do this anymore.

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This is what he writes in his journal. Maybe there

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is a God, Maybe, just maybe there is such a lifeline.

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Something happened last night. I died. Sounds insane, doesn't I

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feel differently today. I think, for the first time in

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my life, I feel hopeful. I can't remember ever feeling happy,

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but I feel like something has snapped. I feel I

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don't know. Last night was not unlike many nights for me,

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driving toward hell, hoping to be welcomed into death's arms,

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or simply to kill the pain and fill the whole

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of emptiness inside. I saw something. Okay, here we go.

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I was on the gurney. The sheet was over my head.

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I saw something. There was my limo. There we were

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people crying. There was an ambulance. There was a body

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with a sheet over it being loaded into an ambulance,

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and it was me. I saw it all, I was

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up above it all. I couldn't know this if I

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was dead. I don't understand it. But something feels different

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in me. I'm just going to have to write later.

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I need to collect my thoughts. And he goes and

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he starts cleaning out all of his drug stuff and

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the paraphernalia, and he comes across an AA book because

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he has tried rehab multiple times, and he sees this

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phrase step one. We admitted that we were powerless and

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that our lives had become unmanageable. He feels more tired

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than he's ever felt in his life, and he falls

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asleep for two days. When he wakes up on the

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twenty fifth, this is his entry, good morning and Merry Christmas.

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I decided to put this diary away and start a

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new one.

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Speaker 3: That's beautiful, nice, It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: He says he doesn't know how he survived the year

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of addiction that he had, but he felt on this

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day that it was a new day. It's awesome.

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Speaker 3: That is awesome.

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Speaker 1: So that's the end of one chapter, which is the

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beginning of the next chapter, which is the chapter leading

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into Doctor Feel Good. So this guy, who, among other things,

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felt like he needed to do these drugs because all

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of his heroes did these drugs and they said they

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wrote their best stuff on drugs. And so what happens

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when he stops doing the drugs. Does he lose his creativity? No,

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he writes the biggest selling Motley Crue album of all time.

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So NICKI started off as a kid with a really

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crappy childhood. He can remember being a little kid where

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his mom and her boyfriend go down with him to

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Texas at about six years old, and he's sitting on

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the he's playing with a really crappy Tonka truck on

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the front porch, and his mom and her boyfriend are

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getting wasted drinking and smoking dope. And at six years old,

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they invite him in and give him his first hit

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on the joint and his first drink of whiskey, and

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he says he felt more live at that moment than

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he had ever had before. Suddenly the crazy voices in

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his head were quiet.

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Speaker 3: Six years old, nice, really great, really great.

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Speaker 1: Tommy lived in Suburbia, had an Ozzie and Harriet life.

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to be at least twenty years older than the rest

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of the guys. But I think he's only like three

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or four years old. He looks like Joan Jet and

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Gollum got together and had a baby. Did you know

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that Nicky's mom dated Richard Pryor?

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that. Yes, No, he.

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Speaker 1: Was dealing like black Jacket Lake Tahoe or something, and

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he walked in and their eyes met and it was

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love at first sight. Like they were in a really

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serious relationship when Nicky was like six years old, five

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Speaker 3: Bob Ellen Deal bad had He's been bad since the

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Speaker 1: So he I mean, what a very unfortunate face that

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that man has. But my gosh, when you turn out

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the lights and he plays the guitar, you gotta think

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that he looks like a Greek god because he is phenomenal.

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a bit. At some point when he was living in

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and he realized that he wanted to be part of

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the band. And they're like, well, we'll let you play

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bass if you can get a bass. So he walks

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into a guitar store with a guitar case in his hand,

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and he asked the guy at the counter for an application.

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the application, Nicky very calmly opens his guitar case, picks

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up a guitar, sticks in the guitar case, closes the case,

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and waits for the guy to come back with the application. Yeah,

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takes the application, goes back out. He's all excited, opens

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in the band, and they're like, dude, you got a guitar.

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a bass, and he's like, oh no. So ultimately ends

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up with a bass, but he's terrible at it. He's

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which video it was, but basically he's kind of crawling

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but they're showing the bass player because the guitarist is

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one hundred years old and frightening, and this is pretty.

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Speaker 3: Crue Oh, without a doubt, Without a doubt.

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he had an entire system that he was going to

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go through to put together the perfect band. He didn't

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have it perfect the first time that he put a

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band together, but when he eventually went out to la

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he started a band. The band that was called London

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with Lizzie Gray and a couple other guys, and their

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singer was a singer who had been in Monta Hoopo,

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the last singer that Monta Hoopole had before it broke up.

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I'm not going to be in a band with that

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guy anymore. He has no idea how to play the bass. Yeah,

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Like Nicky, he's our guy. He's the one put us together,

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and he's like, it's either him or me, and they said,

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we're not kicking Nicky out of the band, and so

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the singer for the band that was called London he left,

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and after he left, of course the band falls part.

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across Tommy Lee, who's playing for a band.

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Speaker 3: Called Sweet nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Sweet nineteen, and Tommy had known Vince Neil from high school.

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They went to high school together and Vince was kind

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of in this poppy band called rock Handy, which played

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some his cover band. Yeah yeah, it was a cover band,

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but Vince knew how to get the Bad girls and Tommy.

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He introduced Tommy to the Bad Girls, and so Tommy

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was like, oh, I like Vince. But whenever Tommy and

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Nicky got together, they're like, all right, we need a guitarist.

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And they start looking in looking in the one ads

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in the and they see something that says, you know.

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Speaker 3: Loud rude and aggressive guitar player available, and this came

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from the recycler. Yeah, so I find this super interesting.

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So they're like, loud rude and aggressive guitar player, that's

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our guy, right, So they call him up and they

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said he shows up black leather, about five foot two.

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Tommy said he looked just like cousin it from the

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Adams family. And then when he started to play, they

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were like, this is the guy. He know one thing

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about this guy, but this is it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is phenomenal. And they thought the fact that

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he looked like an alien actually would help them out.

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in high school when he got together with Nicki and

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but he had been playing drums since he was a

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little kid, and he was phenomenal. He just did it

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all the time. He put in his ten thousand hours

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to become an expert. And so he was a drummer

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in the marching band in high school. Yeah, he was

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in the band before. He was in a band. Very cool. Yeah,

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Vince is already with a band, and so they're like, well,

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how do we get Vince to come play with us

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instead of playing with rock Candy, And they offered to

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pay him one hundred and fifty bucks a week.

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Speaker 3: Here's the deal. Motley Crue was formed on January seventeenth,

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nineteen eighty one, and that's the date that Nicky and

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Tommy sort of got the nucleus together, right. Vince was

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hired on April first of eighty one. Once Vince was

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hired April first, the band played its first gig at

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the Starwood Nightclub on April twenty fourth. So they needed

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a name, right, And so Nicky sat down and he says,

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all right, guys, this is what I'm thinking. I'm thinking

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about calling it Christmas okay, And he even played with

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like the spelling like xmass, you know, x muss, you know,

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and they were all like, no, no, terrible, terrible, terrible.

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So so, and Mick Mars remembered something from a long

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time ago when I was with a band called White Horse.

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The guy working the sound booth said, well, this is

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a motley looking crew, and Mick Mars was like, man,

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that's a that's a pretty cool name. And he wrote

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it down and he kind of played with the spelling

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of it, and he brought it out and he said, guys,

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I've been waiting for a long time and I think

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this could be a really cool band name, and when

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they saw it, they were all like, that looks awesome.

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And then Vince Neil, who apparently they were drinking a

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lot of Low and Brow beer at the time, loved

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the little two little dots umlatz, the umlatz. Yeah, and

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so that's why, Oh.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I did not know that the umlatz came

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from Low and Brown beer. You didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. So Low and Brow we look at

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their Low and Brow beer and we're like, yeah, how

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about a couple of little dots over the O, A

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couple of little dots over the you, and that is

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how you have Motley Crew.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. So yeah, so they start playing and it

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so the punk crowd isn't interested in them, but because

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they've they've adopted this glam style and this is interesting

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that they've you know, they're they're they're looking at Kiss,

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they're looking at David Bowie, all these guys from the

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seventies who had done this clam stuff, and they're trying

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to bring that back, I guess. And so the punk

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guys hate them. But what they would do, in addition

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to plastering their posters everywhere on Hollywood Boulevard is they

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would go to local high schools or in the suburbs

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and hand out their posters to the hottest chicks, because

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you got to figure, if the beautiful girls are going,

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the guys are going to come right.

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Speaker 3: Oh smart, It's brilliant marketing.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what happened. So the suburban kids are the ones

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who were like buying all the tickets to Motley Cruz

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shows when they were playing at the Whiskey of Go Go,

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And of course at the end, you know, at the

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end of every show, they would go, all right, everybody

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come back to our you know me, keep on party.

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And so like, you know, five hundred people would show

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up at this absolute crap hole of an apartment that

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they had. But the door had been kicked in so

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many times that it was no longer on its hinges,

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it no longer had a lock. And one night, David

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Lee Roth comes over to do some coke with Motley

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Crue and somebody tries to come in the door and

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it falls over on top of David Lee Roth. And

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I just got to think, if I'm sitting here doing

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drugs with David Lee Roth and the door falls on

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top of him, I've made it.

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Speaker 3: I have arrived exactly. So, just to recap, we got

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the four members of the band, and so I always

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think it's interesting these guys have such rockstar names, but

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sometimes it's interesting for us to look at what they

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were actually named. Right, so you have Vince Neil who's

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the lead singer. His name is actually Vincent Neil Wharton,

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a little less rockstar than Vince Neil. Mick Mars. We

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already talked about Bob al Deal, right, Tommy Lee Bass Okay,

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Nikki six his real name is Frankie Farana, which he

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got the name NICKI six from his driver's license. He

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was looking at the number and he saw just the

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end of it it said N six and they're like,

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what's your name.

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Speaker 5: He's like, Nicky six, yes, and he actually legally yeah,

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he had it legally changed. And when the guys from

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the band that he played with in Seattle called him

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up after a couple of years, he was like, I'm

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just gonna tell you.

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Speaker 1: This one time. Yeah, frank Farana is dead. Do not

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call that name. I am Niky six.

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Speaker 3: I will mention this. The first on their first album,

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Too Fast for Love, there's a song called on with

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the show, and the lyrics start off with Frankie died

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just the other night. Some say it was suicide, but

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we know how the story goes, and so it's just

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kind of an auto biographical song about putting to death

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who he was.

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Speaker 1: Now, so they put on a show like we know

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that Tommy is awesome, we know that Mick is awesome.

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We know that Vince has a unique voice. It's probably

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not a great voice, but it's a unique voice. And

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we know that Nicky is terrible at the base, but

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write some incredible songs, right right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a magic recipe. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There. They have figured out that it's all about the

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show that you put on, and so that's why they

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wore the makeup, That's why they wore the crazy leather

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clothes that they had. That's why they had the pyrotechnics

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and the flamethrowers out of the guitar and all the

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other stuff that they would do. They knew it was

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all about the show. And so when all these suburban

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kids started coming to the show, they had a line

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out the door, like they were like they're they're looking

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at it and they're like, what the heck is going on?

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There's a line going all the way into the parking

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lot and our show has already sold out. What's going

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on here? This is crazy? And as it happens, Tom

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Zutat is driving by Yes and he sees this line

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out the door and he's like, what is going on here?

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And he sees Motley Cruez sold out on the marquee

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and he's like, I got to check this out. He

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walks in, he watches the show, and he comes backstage

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and says, I want to sign you guys, let me

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sign you to Electric Electra Records. He would probably go

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on to regret that later on because at some point

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while they're touring, he has a new girl that he's

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been dating and he brings her backstage and Nicky's like,

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so you guys pretty serious and he's like, well, you know,

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we've been on a two or three days. We're just

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getting to know each other. And Nicky says, you're really hot,

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and within three minutes is having sex with.

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Speaker 3: The Sorry the movie The Dirt shows Vince Neil having

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sex with her.

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Speaker 1: It's a different girl, like Tom Zutat got his girl

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ft by two different numbers Motley Crew.

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Speaker 3: The point is, don't ever bring your girlfriend around, Molly Crow.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, exactly right. If you don't remember, Tom Zutat

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is the guy who also signed Guns N' Roses a

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few years later, Right.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's the same guy.

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Speaker 1: He actually wanted Nicky six to produce Appetite for Destruction.

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Did you know that?

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Speaker 3: No? I did not know that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and nick as strung at as he was realized

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there's no way he could produce an album. He's like,

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I would have been able to barely push the play

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and stop button. There was no way I was going

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to be able to produce an album.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's awesome. I did not know that.

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Speaker 1: Tom Zutak realizes that these guys need management. He calls

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up Doug Thaylor, who's been a band manager before, who

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has recently partnered with Doc McGhee. They fly out to

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see him and they said it was like a three

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ring circus. The fans were going friggin' nuts, and they thought,

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we got to show this in every city and that

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we can across the country because this is going to

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be a hit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And Nikki and Tommy they used to talk about

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how they would in their apartment. They would practice setting

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themselves on fire.

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Speaker 1: So before Doug Taylor and Doc McGee started managing them,

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their former manager, the Kaufmans, put together the money to

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produce their own album on their own label called the

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Leather Label.

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Speaker 3: This album was this is Too Fast for Love Right.

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Speaker 1: And when Electra Records has at this point moved over

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to New York City, they've got a new CEO and

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his name is Bob krass Now and when he sees

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Motley Crue, he's like, we're not putting these guys on

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electric records. I don't know what you guys are thinking.

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And they're like what, and he's like, listen, we got

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Joni Mitchell, We've got Linda Ronstat, we have artists on

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our record label. We don't want to sell our albums

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to people who live in the gutter. So they're at

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this weird position where they know that they've got a

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hit on their hands, but the record company's like, we're

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not going to do anything with it. And so they

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realize they've got to start with touring. And the first

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big show that they do, do you know what it is?

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US Festival nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, wow.

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Speaker 1: And so the US Festival that we've mentioned a couple

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of different times. Now we've mentioned it within excess. We

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mentioned it obviously with Van Halen. It opens with Quiet Riot,

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second band to play, Motley Crue. They go out there

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and they play the worst piece of crap show they've

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00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,759
ever played in their entire lives. They are missing cues,

473
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:17,200
the bass and the drums aren't syncing up, and at

474
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,079
some point Tommy, you know, after the show, he realizes

475
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,759
that there's a television station there filming everything that's going on,

476
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,359
and he starts crying and begging Doc McGee. He's like,

477
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,920
you got to do something. We can't let anybody see

478
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:35,640
how badly we did tonight. But what Doc McGee and

479
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:40,079
Tom's Zoutat and Doug Taylor see that the guys don't

480
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:43,839
see is that all one hundred thousand people that are

481
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,640
there are loving it. They don't care that the band

482
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,359
can't play for crap right put on a show. They

483
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000
have the right look, and they know if this is

484
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:57,640
the way the crowd reacts when they play like crap,

485
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,960
there's no way that we're going to fail.

486
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is nineteen eighty three and by this

487
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,279
time there they've got an album called Shout At the Devil.

488
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,119
This ramped up on MTV, and this is where I

489
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,559
first heard of them. They're putting out videos like Looks

490
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:16,519
That Kill, and they've got the pinogram and the makeup

491
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,519
and the girls, and so.

492
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: I wonder why some people thought they were Satanists.

493
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: They were going with the burning Pinogram. I mean, they're

494
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,640
pretty bold and out front.

495
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,799
Speaker 1: Right, and your and your song is called Shout at

496
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,960
the Devil, Shout Out the Devil. Yeah, and Nigg's like

497
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,799
I said, shout at the Devil, Shout with the Devil.

498
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,319
Speaker 3: Right, and every church youth pastor said, oh, okay, no problem.

499
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,839
Speaker 1: When they got together to make that album, Tom Warman

500
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,839
it was the producer, and he calls up Doug Taylor

501
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,559
after a couple of days and he says, listen, nick

502
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:01,920
and Tommy easy to work with. Neil painting and this

503
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:07,599
guy can't play the bass, and Doug Taylor goes, no shit,

504
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,400
We've known that he can't play the bass. It doesn't matter.

505
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,400
Just record the music and yeah, Shout of the Devil

506
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,240
makes them mega hits.

507
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. I mean, I know we've talked about it,

508
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,079
but the fact that Nicky can't play and yet still

509
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,920
is the most important member of the band.

510
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,319
Speaker 1: He is the cornerstone of the band.

511
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,559
Speaker 3: He writes all the songs. Yes, every hit ever made

512
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:37,799
made by Motley Crue was written by Nicky six.

513
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,279
Speaker 1: He is a great songwriter, a great performer, and a

514
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,079
terrible musician, or at least he was in the early eighties.

515
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,279
I probably learned a thing or two in the last

516
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:46,839
forty years.

517
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,359
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think you're right.

518
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: So the success that they have with the crowd at

519
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,359
the US festival leads to them touring with Ozzy Osbourne,

520
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,960
where they learn even more about putting on a good

521
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:06,000
show and and drinking and drugging and sexing to the max. Yes,

522
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:09,720
So between Shout at the Devil and Theater of Pain,

523
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,519
the band has a major event occur in the history

524
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:15,960
of the band.

525
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. On December eighth, nineteen eighty four, Vince

526
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:25,039
Neil was making a liquor run in his car, which

527
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:30,599
was a Pantera, and he had Nicholas aka Razzled Dingley

528
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,640
from the band Hanai Rocks in the pasture seat with him.

529
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,720
They went to make a run to grab some more

530
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,759
beer and was involved in a head on collision that

531
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,240
killed Razzle and Vince was in serious trouble of doing

532
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,599
actual hard jail time for his death.

533
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, which having the history that I do, him getting

534
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,039
as little time as he did is amazing to me.

535
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's incredible. He was charged with DUI and

536
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,799
vehicular manslaughter, was to only thirty days in jail, it's crazy,

537
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:08,880
and only served eighteen of those days. That's crazy, and

538
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,559
then was subsequently sued for two point five million dollars.

539
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,119
The short jail term was negotiated by his lawyers, which

540
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,680
would allow him to go on tour and make this

541
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,440
money to pay the estate of Razzle. Right, But I

542
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:25,720
heard Doc McGee talking about this, I thought this was

543
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,680
such an interesting story. Doc's talking to the lawyers and

544
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,839
talking to Vince, and the lawyers like, Vince, they really

545
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,799
want you to do some hard jail time for this.

546
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:40,640
And Vince's response was I can't, and they're like, what

547
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,480
do you mean you can't. He's like, I got a tour,

548
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:48,240
I can't take time off. And Doc McGee is like,

549
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480
that's when I knew these guys had no idea that

550
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:57,200
their real life consequences to problems that they're causing around them.

551
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this this moment and Doc McGee also traces

552
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:08,000
back to whenever Nicky's heroin addiction began to get truly

553
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,759
out of hand. He thinks that the notion that suddenly

554
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,039
all of this work that he had done putting this

555
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,960
band together, having the success that they had had up

556
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,519
until that point, could suddenly be taken away without him

557
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:24,319
having any control over it. And he feels like that

558
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:28,440
is when this his drug addiction really ramped up. And

559
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,920
it was after this point that Vince Neil says, I

560
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,480
didn't really feel like I was a member of the

561
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:35,839
band anymore. I felt like I was a singer for

562
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,200
the band. It was. It was an entirely different dynamic

563
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,119
after this happened. And he, of course he had to

564
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,039
stay clean while he was on his probation, which with

565
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,480
these guys, I mean that's like trying to jump in

566
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,759
the pool without getting wet, right, And they were not.

567
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,160
I mean, they'd ask him to pass drugs and drinks

568
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,480
and stuff like that, and it was it was a hard,

569
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,200
hard experience. This is where Vince Neil and Nikki really

570
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,240
started hating each other.

571
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So after Shout of the Devil, which

572
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,319
sometime we've got a podcast about that, and that's that

573
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,759
one has tons of great songs on it. But in

574
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,319
nineteen eighty five they come out with the Theater of

575
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Pain album and they cover the first song out of

576
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,279
the Gate. They cover the old Brownsville station song called

577
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,599
Smoking in the Boys Room. But the song that really

578
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,039
really sort of ramps them up into the next level

579
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,480
of rock groups is the second single off Theater Pain.

580
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,359
It's called Home, Sweet Home, maybe the greatest rock ballad

581
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,759
of all time. After Theater of Pain, a couple of

582
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:41,279
years later, in nineteen eighty seven, they come out with

583
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:44,440
the Girls, Girls, Girls album. The funny thing is that

584
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:48,319
all these stories sound tremendously sad. Yeah, and they are

585
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:54,039
pathetic stories. But this band was full tilt, out of

586
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:59,640
control rock and roll fun right. It wasn't sadness. It

587
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,480
was full on you know, the top fuel, funny car

588
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:05,359
going one hundred and three miles an hour.

589
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: Right, Well, and Vince Neil and pretty much Yeah, Vince

590
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:13,160
Neil's objective in being a part of a band was

591
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,920
he got to be with He got to sleep with

592
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,079
a lot of girls.

593
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:17,119
Speaker 3: Oh as many as possible.

594
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nikki six said girls were my crush. I fell

595
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,160
in love with Heroin.

596
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty seven they come out with the

597
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,519
album Girls, Girls, Girls, Yes, which I love this album

598
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,720
and I've heard them talk a little bit critically about it,

599
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:33,960
but there's some great songs on this album. Wild Side

600
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,240
is great, Girls Girls Girls is great. You're All I

601
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,359
Need is great. I'm a big fan of this album.

602
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:41,559
But this is when they are full on out of control.

603
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,759
Speaker 1: So I saw them is off of probation at this

604
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,119
point and it started drinking and drugging again. Oh yeah,

605
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:48,759
oh one.

606
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: I heard him talking about this. Tommy Lee said this

607
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,880
happened every single day. He would wake up, pull himself together,

608
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,920
drink drug Girls, showtime, drink drug Girl. He said it

609
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,920
got so out of control that Doc McGee would chase

610
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,680
him around the hotel and when he caught him, he

611
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,159
would punch his lights out and handcuff him to the bed.

612
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,239
And the next day, when they finally get out of

613
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,400
bed after doing all this, they would make fun of events

614
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,159
for taking a shower.

615
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: You mentioned wild Side, So here's the story. On wild Side.

616
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,639
He wakes up from a night of drinking and drugging

617
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000
and the girl that he's been with that night is

618
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:32,920
putting back on her Catholic school girl uniform, not because

619
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,280
it's the sexy thing to wear because of Britney Spears,

620
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,920
because that hasn't happened yet. She's actually a Catholic school girl.

621
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,000
And so he says to her, hey, is the Lord's

622
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:47,039
Prayer actually, you know? Important? And she says, yeah, of

623
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:48,840
course it is, and he says, could you give me

624
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,559
a copy of it? And she shows him where it

625
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,320
is in the Bible. Then he drops her off on

626
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,199
his motorcycle at the Catholic school. The nuns are looking

627
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,199
at him disapprovingly, and he goes, I can't imagine and

628
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,599
how much more disapproval they would have on their face

629
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,639
if they knew what I was about to do with

630
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,880
the Lord's Prayer. And that was the wild side.

631
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,679
Speaker 3: Now that we're on Girls Girls Growth, I want to

632
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,800
mention something that I thought was interesting and this will

633
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,159
come into play when we talked about Doctor Feel Good

634
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,840
here in a second. So, the band's fourth album, Girls,

635
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,800
Girls Girls, was released May of nineteen eighty seven. It

636
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,159
debuted at number two on the Billboard Top two hundred. Okay,

637
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,119
Nicki has come out and publicly talked about how he

638
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,880
feels like they were screwed out of a number one record.

639
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,960
He feels like the record executive somehow cook the books

640
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,199
to show that Whitney Houston's album sold more copies than

641
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,119
their's did. And I don't know the full story, but

642
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:45,920
he felt screwed over, which is why what doctor Phil

643
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,519
Good accomplishes later is so fulfilling.

644
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: Right right? Did you know that Nicky six dated Lead Afford.

645
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: I did know that.

646
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: Apparently the first time they met, she walks up to

647
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,559
him and puts half a quay lude in his mouth,

648
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:01,679
and three days later they were living together.

649
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: The girls involved here, let's let's just cover some of

650
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,960
these famous women, right, So Tommy has been involved with

651
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,639
Heather Locklear yep, Pamela Anderson, yes, Bobby Brown, who you

652
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:26,480
may know from the Cherry Pie video. Okay, okay, Annie,

653
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:30,559
Kataine Toni Kataine yep. Right, which became.

654
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: Interesting when White Snake started touring with them and she

655
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,119
was married to David Coverdale at the time.

656
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: That is interesting. That was the Girl's Girl tour. Nicky

657
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,679
was involved with Vanity yep.

658
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: Nasty not her, that's just the song they sang. Okay,

659
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,119
I'm sorry, but yes, she was also a nasty girl.

660
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:49,880
But Okay, go ahead.

661
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vanity the Nasty Girl, right uh, Leada Ford and

662
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,360
then subsequent playboy playmates, right Vince Neil has a list

663
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,159
too long to even discusses. Yep, and it's mostly filled

664
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:03,920
with playmates and porn stars.

665
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. When when NICKI was dating Vanity, I mean

666
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,159
it was a it was a long relationship, but she

667
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,280
had been involved with Prince before that. And one time

668
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,199
he goes over to her apartment and she's got twenty

669
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,840
four dozen roses sitting in the corner, and he's like,

670
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,039
what's up with the roses? And he goes over there

671
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,840
and he looks at the card and it says something

672
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,320
like come back to me, I love you, Love Prince,

673
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,960
And he was like, if I find that little door,

674
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,679
if I'm gonna kick his head. And then a couple

675
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,840
days later he finds out that Vanity had actually sent

676
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,679
the roses to herself just to f with his head.

677
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,840
And that kind of defined the relationship that they had.

678
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,360
It was a constant let's do a lot of drugs together,

679
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,000
let's scream and fight with each other, and let's screw

680
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:58,519
with these with each other's heads.

681
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard him discuss this. She would yell at

682
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,760
him for drinking like a Coca cola, and then an

683
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,599
hour later they'd be doing Heroin together.

684
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: So while they're on the Girls Girls Girls Tour there,

685
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,199
Nicky runs into this guy who's who says, Hey, I

686
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,599
don't know if you remember, but you guys were here

687
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,840
a couple of years ago and I kicked open the

688
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,840
door to get in before everybody else, and like the

689
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,039
whole crowd came after me, and he's like, I do

690
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,760
remember that. And this kid is now performing in the

691
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,599
opening band, and the band is called VO five, and

692
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,599
the kid says, I'm going to be a rock star,

693
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,639
and it turns out he was right, because just a

694
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,280
few months earlier he had joined a little band called

695
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,199
skid Row and he's finishing up the VO five concert

696
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,679
sets that they had, which is why they were opening

697
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,320
for Motley Crue, and within the next two years he

698
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,599
would have that rock star stardom.

699
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: Okay, So on the Girls Girls Girls Tour, the drinking

700
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:16,480
and drugging and partying was the next level rock star stuff, right.

701
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,199
They did not have any consequences. They were completely out

702
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,480
of control. And when they saw events kill a guy

703
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,280
and have no consequences, that just meant it was full

704
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,519
speed ahead for everyone, right. So but at that point

705
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,159
Doug Theair and Doc McGee pulled an intervention and said, guys, listen,

706
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,199
we are not going to Europe. If we go to Europe,

707
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,280
somebody's coming back in a body bag and we are

708
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,119
not going to be present for that. So they shut

709
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:47,559
down the European leg of the tour. Just said that's it. Well,

710
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,239
you guys need to go to rehab and get your

711
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,400
act together, right, and so that's what they did. They

712
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,239
got they went to rehab, all four of them got

713
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,599
their you know, got their act together so that they

714
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,159
could be completely sober for their next album.

715
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,199
Speaker 1: Yep. So during the Girls Girls Girls tour, Aerosmith leaves

716
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,840
a note on their jet like a ticket, like you

717
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,760
get a parking ticket. They leave the note in the

718
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,320
window of the jet from the crew that says, if

719
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,280
you don't ease up, you're going to crash and burn,

720
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,039
just like we did back in the seventies.

721
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: Yep.

722
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: Now here's something interesting that you may not know. Dude,

723
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,719
looks like a lady was written about was written about

724
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,000
Vince Neil.

725
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,559
Speaker 3: This is the craziest story. Okay, tell me this story.

726
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,039
Speaker 1: No That's that's all I got. Okay, you got more,

727
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:38,519
go for it.

728
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: Okay. So I heard this story. I think it's hilarious.

729
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,079
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.

730
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,519
Speaker 3: They go into a bar Steve Tyler. Steven Tyler looks

731
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:51,159
over across the room and notices a full blonde mane

732
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,480
of hair and says, whoa look at that. And when

733
00:40:54,519 --> 00:41:01,320
he goes over, he goes over to talk to this wonderful,

734
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:05,199
you know, wonderful looking woman. He is shocked to find

735
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:12,639
that it's Vince Neil. So his band and Molly Crue

736
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,360
proceed to beat him to death with that, and that

737
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,199
gave birth to the song dude looks like a lady.

738
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,480
Fantastic rock and roll history right there, and dire.

739
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: Straight song Money for Nothing is about Motley Crue, is it?

740
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did not know that. That is good.

741
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,199
Speaker 1: Look at that he's got his own jet airplane. That

742
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:35,800
is a millionaire.

743
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:44,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Okay. So I thought this was

744
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:50,400
As they're prepping for their fifth studio album, they dropped

745
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:55,159
the producer of their previous three albums, warmon Tom Mormon,

746
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:58,760
and they pick up this guy named Bob Rock. Up

747
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,440
to this point, he had produced to an album called

748
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:06,119
Kingdom come and he had done Sonic Temple by The Cult, okay,

749
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,599
and so he's kind of a rising star, and so

750
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719
they pick him up and he works with them, does

751
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,280
Doctor Feel Good, But then he goes on to do

752
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,719
the Black Album by Metallica, Keep the Faith by bon Jovi,

753
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,199
and I think he even does Britney Spears later on

754
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,159
Michael Boubla.

755
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:33,679
Speaker 1: He he does her album Excuse Me and and does

756
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,719
his album as long as.

757
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 3: He does their albums. Let me correct that. So Bob

758
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,960
Rock is a climbing star, and in fact it's so.

759
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:53,440
Lars Ulrich, after hearing Doctor Feel Good, says, I want

760
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,639
that producer for our next album, which is funny because

761
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:59,119
Metallica is known to have hated Motley Krue. So they

762
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,360
hire Bob Rock and they pick up and they all

763
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:06,280
move to Vancouver to record Doctor filgad for nearly a year.

764
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,719
I think getting out of LA they're newly sober and

765
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,840
they can go in sort of this college slash summer

766
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,519
camp type of atmosphere where all they do is get up,

767
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,519
go to the studio and work. I think that was

768
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,280
key to the success of the album. I Got Something

769
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,360
That's Gonna blow your mind.

770
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me.

771
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:30,119
Speaker 3: Okay, this is my little nugget. Okay, So they dropped

772
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:33,039
Tom Mormon and they're going to go with Bob Rock.

773
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,360
But before they hired Bob Rock, they thought about having

774
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,679
Quincy Jones produce their album. Wow, how about that?

775
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 1: That would have been an interesting Yeah. Their formula which

776
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,280
is make stuff that has their signature on it, but

777
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,320
things that are hooky. They're all about hooky melodies. I mean,

778
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,159
you've they're fantastic at it, right. They've got the they've

779
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,960
got the look and the attitude and the right guitars

780
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:07,760
and drums for a killer metal band. But they have

781
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:12,559
almost a pop sensibility about the melodies of their music.

782
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. I think it's interesting that while

783
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,239
they're in Vancouver recording Doctor Feel Good in the studio

784
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,920
right next door, Aerosmith is recording Pump And we'll have

785
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,199
some crossover here in a minute when we dive into

786
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,360
the tracks in the album Doctor Fielgod was released on

787
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,519
September first, nineteen eighty nine, their only album to reach

788
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:33,559
number one. Are We ready to dive in? Are you

789
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:34,159
ready to dive in?

790
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: I am ready to dive in.

791
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,639
Speaker 3: Let's dive into the tracks on Doctor field Good. The

792
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:53,599
first track on the album is called TNT, otherwise known

793
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:56,760
as Terror in Tinseltown. It's not really a song, but

794
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,599
it's the intro to Doctor field Good.

795
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: And what perfect intro for the first album that they've

796
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:10,320
done in sobriety about a seventeen year old who's odeed

797
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:10,960
on drugs.

798
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:13,599
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. I think it sets a serious tone

799
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,800
for the album. This is not screw around party rock.

800
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,800
This is this is serious stuff, right, And then you

801
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,239
have this hard break that sounds like a crash. Reminds

802
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,719
me a little bit of maybe a head on collision

803
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,760
from a few years before.

804
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: Ooh, didn't even think of that. Good call.

805
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: One little tidbit on this I found that I thought

806
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:37,840
was interesting. Hm, this is the exact same sample used

807
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,000
by the band Queen's Reich for their song Eyes of

808
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:45,239
a Stranger. If you listen to Eyes of the Stranger,

809
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,360
it's the same deal, Doctor Davis telephone, please Doctor Davis.

810
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,400
So two rock albums using the same sample. Kind of interesting.

811
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: Wow, it's crazy all right.

812
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: So that brings us to the title track, first real

813
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,519
song on the album, feel Good.

814
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,119
Speaker 1: I love the drums in this song. I love it all.

815
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,599
I love it all, but Nicki talked about how he

816
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:19,960
would get together with Tommy whenever he was writing a song,

817
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,880
and Tommy had this amazing ability to find the heartbeat

818
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:28,599
of the song, like he just knew the rhythms. He's

819
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,679
an expert drummer who could find the way to bring

820
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:36,719
the words that Nicki had written to life with the beat.

821
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I almost say that this is like a drum riff.

822
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,599
It's just really good. Really, these guys are at the

823
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:44,599
top of their game with this song. This song was

824
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:48,400
released August twenty eighth, nineteen eighty nine, reached number six

825
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,760
on the Hot one hundred, peaked at number six on

826
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,039
October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty nine. And clearly this song

827
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,239
is about an LA drug dealer that Nicki six knew.

828
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: This song grabs you from the first moment. You know,

829
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,039
you talked about how you felt about want to be

830
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:09,519
starting something, and this one just that bump bump bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump,

831
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:14,039
bump bump. It grabs you instantly, and you know that

832
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,280
what you're listening to is going to be a song

833
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,280
that's going to be timeless. It is still good it's

834
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,440
still totally listenable right now. It's it's awesome.

835
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: I love it. It's a scarface type of story with

836
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,719
this guy Rattel Jimmy or jig Son Jimmy. I love

837
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,639
the part where he's talking about he sells powdered goods

838
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,079
and packages candy cane and he's going to be your Frankenstein.

839
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,760
I mean it just it's just really great, really really

840
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,559
top of their game. Great song. I think the guitar

841
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,920
solo in this song is killer. I mean, Mick is

842
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:47,079
just shredding.

843
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. And it's interesting that

844
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,320
you know, they're getting off drugs and Mick has always

845
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:58,000
always been like the quiet member of the band, and

846
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,199
he was, i mean, more than anything, was a drinker.

847
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,519
But he was going through something that none of the

848
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:04,599
band knew about.

849
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: Did you know this, Yeah, the bone diagnosis. Yeah. Basically

850
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,480
it fuses your spine together where you can't turn your

851
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,079
head and yeah, like curves you down.

852
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And it's intensely painful. And so he at

853
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,039
some point had gotten significantly addicted to the painkillers that

854
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:26,280
he had had. And it was the guy who was

855
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,199
those guys who were so drug addled during the Girls

856
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,800
Girls Girls tour. That had to come to him and

857
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,280
go hey man, we got to get you cleaned up.

858
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Like he was ready to die. He had wasted away

859
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,599
to nothing. Just hold up, and he was about to die. Yeah,

860
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,519
before they saved him. He's still around yep, looking still

861
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,039
like the cripkeeper keeper from the Tails of the Crypt.

862
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:47,840
That's exactly what.

863
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,559
Speaker 3: So Nicky wrote all the lyrics.

864
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: Mick is the one who came up with the guitar riff,

865
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,119
yeah chords for the chorus, and Nicky laid the lyrics

866
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:00,119
and melody over the top.

867
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: That this was ranked in two thousand and nine as

868
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,199
the fifteenth greatest hard rock song of all Time by

869
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,880
VH one. Okay, so that brings us to the second

870
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,400
title on the album, a song called Slicy or Pie.

871
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, these guys are doing a bluesy thing.

872
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,679
Wait a minute, my hard rock band is doing what?

873
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: What?

874
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: What's going on here?

875
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:31,559
Speaker 3: Oh?

876
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: Oh, there they are. There's the band that I know

877
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:35,440
and love.

878
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

879
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love this song. I love it so

880
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:43,840
every one of these songs. As I was listening to

881
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,239
the album, I thought every single one of them rock

882
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,559
ballad or skipper, heavy metal or songs written for strippers.

883
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,519
Speaker 3: There we go. Okay, that's great, man.

884
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: And so Doctor feel Good is a is obviously a rocker.

885
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,920
I mean it's a hard rocker for sure. Tatoo crawl

886
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:04,599
on down our leg so sexy, so young. Ever get caught,

887
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:05,760
they'll arrest me.

888
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,519
Speaker 3: Okay. So this song is Slicy Your Pie. That the

889
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,599
very beginning, the voice you hear in the background is

890
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:12,360
Steven Tyler.

891
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,199
Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that.

892
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:16,599
Speaker 3: Yes, nice and I.

893
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about this before, but you were a

894
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,039
crew guy like you. You love Motley Crue growing up, definitely,

895
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,679
definitely it was. I heard their songs, but I was

896
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,320
never I didn't buy the albums. I was never into

897
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,760
their stuff. So when I heard this slice of Your Pie,

898
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,559
this is the first time I had heard the song,

899
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,199
was in preparation for the show, and my mind was blown.

900
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,320
It's great and this has given me dynamics that I

901
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,079
didn't know that Motley Crue had had them coming in

902
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,239
with this kind of acoustic bluesy intro before they get

903
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,679
back into the Motley style. It is amazing. But then

904
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,960
when you get about two minutes and forty five seconds

905
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,960
into this song, you have a break down that occurs

906
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:24,920
and you started to hear that kind of uh Tyler

907
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:27,599
was doing at the beginning, and it goes into this

908
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,159
part and if you listened out now, I want you

909
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,280
to listen to a song called because by the Beatles.

910
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: Wait for the voices to come in and you come

911
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:53,719
in here in just a second. So that's that's awesome,

912
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:54,480
I mean.

913
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,519
Speaker 3: Incredible, And that blows my mind because I did not

914
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,559
know that Slice of Your Pie steals from Abbey Road.

915
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: It's it's not the exact same, but the style is

916
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,159
obviously there, and especially when you come in with that voice.

917
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,760
Oh man, they do it. They do a great job

918
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,480
with it. Great, great song.

919
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,119
Speaker 3: It is a great song. It's blues and then it's

920
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:19,239
that sleezy motley rock. During this song, they say got

921
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,119
something sticky sweet for you. Then later we have a

922
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,239
song called sticky Sweet. And so I'm wondering, did that

923
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,840
lyric come from that song or did that song come

924
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,039
from that lyric? Yeah?

925
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: What do you think they're talking about? This sticky Sweet?

926
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure, like life savers or something.

927
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, sirrup.

928
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: After Slice of Your Pie, the next song on the

929
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,599
album is called Rattlesnake Shake.

930
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say that this is a

931
00:52:54,119 --> 00:53:00,960
stripper song, and you would be right. It's interesting because

932
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:03,920
obviously we listen to both of these albums several times

933
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,679
before we do these podcasts, and I can remember the

934
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,960
first time I listened to Doctor Feel Good, I followed

935
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,760
it up immediately skid Row and I went, man, they

936
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,800
seem to be saying the same thing. Wait a minute.

937
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,559
They both have the same song title. What's going on

938
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:18,920
with that?

939
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: They both have a song on the albums that we're

940
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,360
comparing called Rattlesnake Shake.

941
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: And they're not the same song. It's not as though,

942
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,039
you know, skid Row is not covering Motley Crue here.

943
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,239
I just I don't you know. You can guess as

944
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,719
to what a rattlesnake Shake is. But the mental picture

945
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,159
that I came up with is Doc McGhee is in

946
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,920
a strip club with both the guys from skid Row

947
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:47,079
and the guys from Motley Crue, and the girl is

948
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,039
up there shaking her booty and Doc McGee says, it's

949
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,159
the rattlesnake Shake. One of you guys should write a

950
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:59,840
song about that. Tell me you cannot imagine the stripper

951
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,079
walking onto the stage for that first bit of guitar

952
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,880
that's playing, bomp, bomp bomp.

953
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a stripper sock. It's a one hundred percent

954
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:13,159
stripper sock.

955
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: Well, let's not let's not jump ahead here. Let's take

956
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,599
a look at the lyrics, just what they might be

957
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:24,840
talking about. Let's see, she's a sex machine. She keeps

958
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,239
her engine hot, her motor clean, way she moves across

959
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,800
the floor, the way she shakes her hips and licks

960
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,039
her lips. Come on there, girl, won't you shake? That thing?

961
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:39,039
Could be?

962
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think so. Stripper song slides through

963
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,960
the night with a viper's smile.

964
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:53,079
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's got sassy class. I've said it before,

965
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,639
I'll say it again. If we've learned anything from rock

966
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,800
of the eighties, if you want to have a hit,

967
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:03,039
write a song for strippers. Absolutely, absolutely, black and blue,

968
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:06,400
pour some sugar on me, rattlesnake shake.

969
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 3: Okay, So this song has some horns in it, which

970
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:13,880
is not typical Motley Cruz style. I think this is

971
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,480
the influence of Aerosmith. Okay, Aerosmith's right next door. Their

972
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,000
their they're idols and Aerosmith is not afraid to put

973
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,800
some some horns in their music. I think this is

974
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,119
the Aerosmith influence. I like this song. I think it's

975
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,920
a fun song. I know all the words. The part

976
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,800
that really kind of bugs me is the chorus everything

977
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,480
but the snake shake to do. It's just got kind

978
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,559
of a little to feel. It's a little corny, it's

979
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:56,119
a little beaver. I can't say that. On this podcast, Fleetwood.

980
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: Mac also had a song called Rattlesnake Shake. I get wow, Yeah,

981
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:00,480
it's crazy.

982
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,159
Speaker 3: Wow. Hey, I do want to mention. Okay, so the

983
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,519
one of the opening lyrics is she keeps her engine hot,

984
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,960
her motor clean. That has to be a reference to

985
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,159
you shook me all night long by as of.

986
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: Course it is, yeah, yeah, no question. Yeah. And I

987
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,840
have to think that the Beatles influence that we just

988
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,079
heard also had something to do with Aerosmith, because Aerosmith

989
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,599
did a cover of Come Together, which was a Beatles song.

990
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,519
Speaker 3: I like the breakdown in the middle of the song,

991
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,039
so to break.

992
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: It down into this awesome little bit where you've got

993
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,840
just the bass and the drums going, and I guess

994
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,480
Nikki has finally learned to play the bass at this

995
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:44,960
point because it sounds really good. Then you get Mick

996
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,400
coming in with the guitar and climbing up the ladder

997
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,760
of the guitar with his speed metal awesomeness. I love it.

998
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: Catch you tune. Good song, definitely not a skipper. Now

999
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:00,360
we're moving on to one of the great songs on

1000
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,760
the entire album. This song is called Kickstar in.

1001
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:11,079
Speaker 1: My Heart like you're in a car, but his guitar.

1002
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: And then.

1003
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,559
Speaker 1: If you are not banging your head right now, you

1004
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:22,760
should not be listening to this podcast. So good, so good,

1005
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,639
so much of a build and a pump and get

1006
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,400
you out of your seat and start rocking your freaking

1007
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:32,679
balls off. It's too good.

1008
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:37,599
Speaker 3: Oh it's great, man, it's great, so much fun and

1009
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:41,920
bang your head and pump your fist. Love it. This

1010
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:51,559
is Motley creative best. Nicky wrote this song and brought

1011
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,920
it to rehearsal, but he thought it was a throwaway.

1012
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,199
In his words, he says it's something that belonged on

1013
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,599
Too Fast for Love. One of his former managers actually

1014
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,039
urged him to say, look, dude, this is pretty good.

1015
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:03,760
You need to share this with the rest of the band,

1016
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,519
and he just kind of did and didn't really expect

1017
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:08,800
a lot of it, and it turned out to be

1018
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,719
one of their biggest hits.

1019
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, too too good to have left off. That

1020
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,440
was I'm so glad that that happened. So this song

1021
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,920
is called Kickstart My Heart. I told you the story.

1022
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,760
This is about him being dead and them bringing him

1023
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,159
back to life. Yeah, kickstart my Heart.

1024
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,039
Speaker 3: The two adrenaline shots to the heart are what kick

1025
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:34,320
started his heart. This was the second single, released November twentieth,

1026
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,199
nineteen eighty nine.

1027
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is with them being in sobriety. This

1028
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:41,480
is kind of the message that they're given out, which

1029
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:45,679
is we're finding hour high from something other than drugs now,

1030
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,000
which is why you see them skydiving and racing cars

1031
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,559
and going back to the place where they first became

1032
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:56,960
a hit. The whiskey of Go Go driven by mister

1033
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:58,440
Sam Kinnison himself.

1034
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,239
Speaker 3: That's exactly right where we talk about the video, which

1035
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:02,559
I think we need to talk about the video. But

1036
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,000
I've got a quick funny story about this song. On

1037
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,639
January seventh, twenty nineteen, a driver in Manitoba, Canada, Okay,

1038
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:13,639
I've got a good friend, Cameron Eckert shout out to

1039
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:17,760
my good Canadian friend in Vancouver, but the driver was

1040
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,159
in Manitoba, Canada, was pulled over for doing ninety miles

1041
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:24,320
an hour just one hundred and forty five kilometers per hour.

1042
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,159
His excuse was he was listening to Kickstart in My Heart.

1043
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,079
The officer didn't go for it because he happened to

1044
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:38,400
be listening to the same radio station. Oh, still makes

1045
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,639
for a funny story. That's good, okay, So let's talk

1046
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,159
about the video. The video was shot at the Whiskey

1047
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,280
of Go Go on October fifth, nineteen eighty nine, during

1048
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,440
Motley CRU's warm up show before the Doctor Feel Good Tour. So,

1049
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,480
like you said, Sam Kinnison is driving the Doctor Feel

1050
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:56,119
Good Mobile. He pulled back up to the place where

1051
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:58,000
they got their start, the Whiskey of Go Go. And now,

1052
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:59,280
of course they're huge stars.

1053
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: So you were telling me about this breakdown in the

1054
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,840
middle of the song, okay.

1055
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: So I love the breakdown in the middle of the song,

1056
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,199
and particularly let's talk about that part in the video

1057
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,760
as well. So it's this nostalgic look at their previous accomplishments, right,

1058
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,119
And in the video you see clips from Girls Girls,

1059
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:22,400
Girls Live Wire looks that Kill, Smoking in the Boys Room,

1060
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,880
wild Side, too Young to Fall in Love, and Home

1061
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,960
Sweet Home, Different videos, and it kind of walks you

1062
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:33,440
through their career as it builds in it ramps right

1063
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:38,000
back up into the kick butt, fast paced Kickstart My Heart,

1064
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:48,360
and it blows me away. We must We've kicked some.

1065
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: Love.

1066
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:04,079
Speaker 3: This is the song that they opened the Doctor Feel

1067
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,400
Good tour with perfect I mean, is there a better

1068
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:09,679
kickoff to a rock concert than this song?

1069
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,199
Speaker 1: No? This is the absolute perfect choice to start off

1070
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:15,199
the set for Doctor fiel Good.

1071
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I got a quick story. The first time I

1072
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,960
heard Doctor Feel Good was about a week and a

1073
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,440
half or two weeks before the release of the album.

1074
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,280
Somehow the radio station in Tulsa, Oklahoma got hold of

1075
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,000
a copy of the album and played it through its entirety,

1076
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,440
and one guy on my baseball team had the forethought

1077
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:36,800
to press record on his little blank tape that he

1078
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,280
had in his stereo system and made copies and distributed

1079
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,280
it to everybody on the baseball team. Uh huh, So

1080
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,599
we were blowing out Kickstart My Heart like two weeks

1081
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:48,960
before the album was released.

1082
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: Nice.

1083
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 3: So that I feel like, for some reason, I have

1084
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,599
a connection with this song because I learned it before

1085
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,920
the average person could get their hands.

1086
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:01,559
Speaker 1: On it right, and the fact that it was going

1087
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:04,159
to be a humongous hit was undeniable.

1088
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's awesome. Great song. Great song

1089
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,159
that brings us to the next song. That song is

1090
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:11,199
called Without You.

1091
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: So this one obviously is the rock ballad. This is

1092
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:31,880
This is back when Tommy was still married to Heather

1093
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:38,199
Locklear and Nicky and Mick wrote this song together as

1094
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:43,320
Tommy's perspective of Heather Locklear because she was she was

1095
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,840
a she had come from a conservative family. We're talking

1096
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,559
about like head of the cheerleading squad. Totally different style

1097
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:53,920
than Motley Crue and the girls that they were accustomed to.

1098
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:57,920
But she, at least in the early part of their relationship,

1099
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:03,599
kept Tommy grounded and he was definitely very in love

1100
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:07,119
with her. And Nikki picked up on that and said,

1101
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,320
I just saw what she was for him and thought

1102
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:13,679
I can write a song. And he said, I got

1103
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,599
a little muchy on this when it is a love song,

1104
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:19,079
but that's okay because it was from Tommy's perspective about

1105
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:19,840
what Heather was doing.

1106
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,639
Speaker 3: For this song has got a mixed playing that steel

1107
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:26,639
guitar and you've got some strings. It's a great song.

1108
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,440
It's not Home Sweet, Home great, but it's a good

1109
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:30,119
rock ballad.

1110
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:35,719
Speaker 1: I love the song. The video, it's the video has

1111
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,559
got some like computer animation stuff at the beginning that

1112
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,760
was pretty cutting edge for nineteen eighty eight or whatever

1113
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:45,159
it was.

1114
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the video is a little corny.

1115
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: It's got don't like the panther.

1116
01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 3: I always like panthers and videos. But you've got yeah,

1117
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,119
you're right. I mean, you got that heart with the swords,

1118
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,280
but you've got these Egyptian statues, and you even have

1119
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:08,960
like vins as like Samson from the Old Testament. Right,

1120
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,119
puts his hands up, pushes over two pillars for no

1121
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:17,760
apparent reason. Lots of smoke blowing.

1122
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:21,039
Speaker 1: They wisely got a lady to direct this video. This

1123
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,960
was by Mary Lambert, who also did the visuals for

1124
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,039
Don't Go Away, Mad, Just Go Away. So we'll talk

1125
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:29,119
about that one here in a minute.

1126
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah cool. I do I think this song's great. This

1127
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:37,119
is yeah slow Dance Heaven. In nineteen ninety this reached

1128
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:39,800
number eight on the Hot one hundred and by the way,

1129
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,679
this is the third single released March twelfth, nineteen ninety

1130
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,360
reach number eight top ten hit.

1131
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: It's a great song. I love it. It's a great song,

1132
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,440
rock ballad that goes well with the other rock ballads

1133
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:50,159
of late eighties.

1134
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:54,199
Speaker 3: It definitely does it, definitely does. Freddy all right, stop

1135
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:57,239
your tape, kick it out, flip it over side to

1136
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:06,559
starting off with the same old situation.

1137
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: Once again, hang in my head, and I'm thinking, this

1138
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:19,440
is where the stripper walks on the stage. The stripper

1139
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:24,880
is leaving you to go be with another stripper, because.

1140
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, let's talk about that for a second. I

1141
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,519
think that is hilarious. And ninety percent of people, ninety

1142
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:39,199
nine percent of people who listen to this song have

1143
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,159
no idea what this song is about. It's about chicks

1144
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,599
leaving you for other chicks.

1145
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,039
Speaker 1: Yes, NICKI said, which is worse than a chick leaving

1146
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,880
you for a guy, because there's nothing you can do

1147
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,039
about a chick leaving you for another chick.

1148
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,079
Speaker 3: I think it's funny that they think that this is

1149
01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:01,920
like just the same old situation, like this happens all

1150
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:02,280
the time.

1151
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: You know, here we go again.

1152
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:10,559
Speaker 3: If it's happened once, it's happened a thousand times. Tommy

1153
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:11,760
so they.

1154
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,639
Speaker 1: Play, they play this song for the guys at Electric

1155
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:17,239
Records and they're like, oh, this is perfect for a single,

1156
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,239
And they look at each other and they're like, Okay,

1157
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,679
we'll tell them what it's about later.

1158
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I love that man. So this song is pure,

1159
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:32,559
full throat, all Motley fun. Right, you've got in the video,

1160
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:35,039
You've got the they have this little camera and a

1161
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:37,119
Gerbil ball and they just throw it out there in

1162
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:38,880
the crowd and they pass it around and he had

1163
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:44,000
this crazy finch. But this the the video demonstrates Tommy's

1164
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:45,039
overhead drum kit.

1165
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: That's super cool, right, Yes, you just this came that

1166
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,400
came from a dream he had. He you know, obviously

1167
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:54,960
was probably cooked out of his mind and fell asleep

1168
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,519
and had a dream about being inside of a cage

1169
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,199
that was spinning around with his drum set in it

1170
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,400
over the crowd. And he woke up told Nicky about

1171
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,559
it and said, I think I might be I might

1172
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:09,920
try to make that really happen, and by golly, he did.

1173
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Speaker 3: Interestingly, at the beginning of this video, you have a

1174
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,679
little scroll and it says between August seventh of eighty

1175
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,079
nine and August sixth of nineteen ninety almost exactly one year,

1176
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,440
Motley played in front of two million fans in fourteen countries.

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01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: And it's great. It's a kind of helicopter landing. And

1178
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:32,760
this really just shows the mentality because both Tommy and

1179
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,000
Vince walk by and they make this face at the

1180
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:39,119
camera like any of us would as we were walking

1181
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:42,719
by a camera. And then you see Mick and Nicki

1182
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,000
walking up and they just look like they're doing nothing.

1183
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:49,119
But then Nicky makes this awesome like it's like he

1184
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,840
knows where the frame of the camera is and he

1185
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,480
pulls his head to one side and pulls his chewing

1186
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:56,599
gum out to the other and you're like, wow, he

1187
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,000
just turned that into from goofy into cool.

1188
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 3: So this is the video. It was like a live

1189
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,039
type of thing, and you get to see him on

1190
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,679
stage during live thing. And I always remember, I don't

1191
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:09,960
know why this sticks with me, but the background singers,

1192
01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:12,000
the girls, the you know, the good looking girls or

1193
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,039
the background singers, they were called the Nasty habits.

1194
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,119
Speaker 1: Well I don't know what the rule was on this

1195
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:21,760
particular set, but the Girls Girls Girls Tour was the

1196
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,359
first one that they decided to have backup singers at all. Yeah,

1197
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,680
and the rule was no sleeping with the backup singers.

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,000
Do you know who broke the rule?

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Speaker 3: Mick Nick. That's right, that's awesome. So Same Old Situations.

1200
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:41,439
The fifth single, released July thirtieth, nineteen ninety, peaked at

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,920
number seventy eight on the Billboard Hot one hundred. This

1202
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:47,239
song is better than number six seventy eight on the

1203
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:48,319
Hot one hundred. I'm sorry.

1204
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,560
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely fantastic song.

1205
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,279
Speaker 3: Yeap, love it all right? Ready to move on?

1206
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: Yes all right.

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,279
Speaker 3: The next song after Same Old Situation is a song

1208
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,279
called Sticky Weak.

1209
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: This introduction is like a perfect mix of Black Dog

1210
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:16,279
by led Zeppelin and Back in Black by a CDC.

1211
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:28,960
It's just that don't break, dump break, and it's it's awesome.

1212
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:34,000
I love it, kicks butt and once again stripper.

1213
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,199
Speaker 3: Song, Stripper song, yep. Okay, so this is not my

1214
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:39,399
favorite song on the album. I'd call this one of

1215
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,119
the weaker tracks. It's still fun and all that. The

1216
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,319
interesting thing to me is singing in the background on

1217
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,279
this song. You have Steven Tyler, you have Jack Blades

1218
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:50,960
from Night Ranger and Damn Yankees.

1219
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: He also sing same Old situation okay, yeah.

1220
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 3: Okay, And you also have Brian Adams, What Summer of

1221
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,319
sixty nine, Brian Adams singing backup?

1222
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: What Motley crue Let Brian Adams come in and sing

1223
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:07,319
back up?

1224
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he lived. He was living in Vancouver at the time,

1225
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:15,479
and they're like, hey, come on down. Wow, that's pretty cool.

1226
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,159
I mean, you got Steven Tyler, Jack Blades, Brian Adams

1227
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,079
and Vince Neil all singing on the same track.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty that's pretty cool.

1229
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 3: I dig it the lyric where Vince says, oh, good god,

1230
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,560
there's a fire in my pants.

1231
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: There's a fire pants.

1232
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 3: Moving on to another stripper song. This song is called

1233
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:49,880
she Goes Down.

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01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:56,199
Speaker 1: I mean like she's up on a ladder and she's

1235
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:58,880
on the stairs, she's on an escalator.

1236
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. This song starts off with that big, humongous zipper

1237
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:06,840
sound effect.

1238
01:11:07,039 --> 01:11:10,159
Speaker 1: The subtlety and restraint that they've shown on this song.

1239
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, she goes down all night long, she goes

1240
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:21,079
down on all my friends, she goes down, she gives

1241
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:23,239
heart attack, she goes down down.

1242
01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:27,239
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

1243
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,119
Speaker 3: Okay, little interesting tidbit on this song. This song again

1244
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:34,840
a little cornball, a little silly, still fun. I mean,

1245
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,439
if you don't have songs about sex with Motley Cruze.

1246
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,840
There's something wrong. This is a fun song. But singing

1247
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,960
background on this song is Robin Xander of Cheap Trick.

1248
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:50,319
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, Robin Xander was really close with Nicky six.

1249
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,119
He considered Cheap Trick to be one of the best

1250
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:55,720
bands ever, and I believe they toured together for a

1251
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:56,359
little while too.

1252
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Nicki's been a big fan of Cheap Trick

1253
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,399
for a long time. All Right, song after that is

1254
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,279
a song called Don't Go Away Mad, Just Go Away.

1255
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: Okay, So there are two components to this song for me, Right,

1256
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,199
there's this the verse that you have at the beginning,

1257
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:32,039
and there's not really a chorus right this song, right,

1258
01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:34,520
it's kind of like Hey Jude, where you've got all

1259
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,119
this stuff and then at the end you've got this,

1260
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,119
You've got the girl Don't go Away, Mad, Just go Away,

1261
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:43,239
repeating itself over and over again. And so I was

1262
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,880
listening to this song when I was running today tonight,

1263
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:49,439
just before we started recording, and I had just finished

1264
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,800
The Heroin Diaries by Nikki six, and I remember the

1265
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,039
line where he said girls were his crush and he

1266
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:00,000
fell in love with Heroin, And I'm listening to these lyrics,

1267
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:02,920
and I have to think that the beginning part of

1268
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,279
the song is not actually about a girl. It's about

1269
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,840
him giving up his habit. So it says in here,

1270
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:13,800
let's see we were too young, okay, too young to

1271
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,680
fall in love, which is a throwback to one of

1272
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,960
their old songs when he first started doing drugs. And

1273
01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:22,520
then he says, that's all right, that's okay. We were

1274
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,960
walking through some youth, smiling through some pain, which I

1275
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:28,560
think has got to be a neil in the arm.

1276
01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:32,640
That's all right, that's okay, let's turn the page. My

1277
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,239
friends called us today down from La. They were shooting

1278
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,880
pool all night, sleeping half the day. They said I

1279
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,079
could crash if I could find my own way. I

1280
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:47,359
told them you were leaving on a bus to go away.

1281
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,079
I think this is about he's friends with it in La.

1282
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:54,720
Has got to be they're shooting dope, not pool, and

1283
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:58,760
they're offering him the opportunity to do dope. And he says, no,

1284
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:02,640
I'm not doing that anymore. That train has sailed, that

1285
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,399
bus has left. I'm not involved in that bad relationship anymore.

1286
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,199
This is I haven't read anything that says this is

1287
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,920
my own interpretation of the song. But I think this

1288
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:15,199
is about giving up his addiction.

1289
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, that's interesting.

1290
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,319
Speaker 1: And then the second part of the song where it

1291
01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:21,920
just keeps repeating girl don't go away, mad, just go away.

1292
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:23,800
He said he got it from some movie.

1293
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: I think it's in a yeah, it's Heartbreak Ridge by

1294
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,399
Niecewood movie. Yeah, he said he was in the movie

1295
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,239
and when they said that line, he's like, wow, that's

1296
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:34,119
a great line. And he wrote it down in the

1297
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:36,119
movie theater on his hand or something like that.

1298
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: Nice.

1299
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:38,239
Speaker 3: It's a great This is a.

1300
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: Fun song, great feel good song.

1301
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,319
Speaker 3: The video is a little bit strange. So this is

1302
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,359
before their big blow up, which happened just a couple

1303
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:49,479
of years after this. I remember watching this video going,

1304
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,359
so Vince is away and they're like, hey, we're getting

1305
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:54,439
the band back together. Come on back. I think Vince

1306
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,399
is in New York and come on back to LA

1307
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,560
and they were shooting pool all night and said I

1308
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,279
could crash if I could find my way. It comes back,

1309
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,000
and then as the song ramps up into the repeated

1310
01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:07,279
line girl don't go away, Man, I just go away,

1311
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,000
Vince shows up and Hey, we're playing and we're back together.

1312
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:13,439
We're having a great They exchange three of the worst

1313
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,560
most awkward hugs that you ever. I remember watching this

1314
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,720
going they need somebody should have reshot that scene because

1315
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,560
it just it was.

1316
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: Probably the best take that they had. Mary Lambert was like, Okay,

1317
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,399
you guys, come hug each other like I haven't seen

1318
01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:31,760
it the like.

1319
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 3: Hug we hate him, hug we hate each other.

1320
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: We got to listen to the end of the song

1321
01:15:42,000 --> 01:16:01,760
for sure. Oh yeah, it's like a totally different song,

1322
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:02,960
but it's still it's.

1323
01:16:03,039 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of like Rocket Queen. The beginning is

1324
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:09,039
one song and the end it closes with a different song.

1325
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:10,960
But I think it. I think this one ramps up.

1326
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:14,640
I like the the end of it really a whole lot. Okay,

1327
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,359
last song on the album a song called Time for Change,

1328
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:28,199
So injured.

1329
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:33,159
Speaker 1: This song, I'm thinking, Okay, we're reaching out for home.

1330
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 3: Sweet home, right, that's the attempt.

1331
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I feel like they fail.

1332
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 3: It's sweet to miss.

1333
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,199
Speaker 1: It is a This is Motley Cruze trying to do

1334
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:47,359
we Are the World and it doesn't work.

1335
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.

1336
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 1: I love every single song on this album so far,

1337
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:56,159
and they finished with this one and I was just like,

1338
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:58,920
you shouldn't have tried to do this.

1339
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was at least an attempt to

1340
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,479
do something a little bit different. I mean it's a

1341
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,560
it's almost like a campfire song with a piano. I

1342
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:10,319
don't buy it. I'm not into the time for change

1343
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:13,479
and all this stuff. I'd rather hear smoking the boys Room,

1344
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,359
you know. Can we do something else?

1345
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:23,399
Speaker 1: Can we have another stripper song? Please? We've got rock,

1346
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:29,479
We've got skippers, We've got rock ballads and songs for strippers.

1347
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,319
This one is the skipper on the album for me.

1348
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,319
I loved every other song up into this one, and

1349
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,359
I would just flip the tape over hit rewind to

1350
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,520
the bay back at the beginning of Doctor Feel Good,

1351
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:42,800
and go from there.

1352
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 3: I would not I'm with you, this is a skipper this.

1353
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:51,479
I do remember this getting airplay on my local radio station,

1354
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:53,880
which they used to do, right. They would play through

1355
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,840
the hits, and once they were done with all the hits,

1356
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,560
they would find other songs to play, and I remember

1357
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,159
this song actually making the top ten at ten or

1358
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:02,600
whatever on my local radio station.

1359
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: But even then I was like, eh, eh no, so

1360
01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:10,720
that's it, that's the album. And then the album is

1361
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,960
released and it becomes their first and only number one hit.

1362
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 3: The reviews Doctor Feel Good were almost universally positive. I

1363
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,560
like this when it says, very entertaining, bringing the listeners

1364
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,239
in a world of an everlasting party where they savored

1365
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:31,840
the joys of trashy, unapologetic, decadent fun.

1366
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:33,119
Speaker 1: It's interesting.

1367
01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:33,399
Speaker 4: You know.

1368
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,159
Speaker 1: Bob Rock obviously was more meticulous about the way that

1369
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:42,720
this album was produced, but he kept the edge that

1370
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,720
Motley Crue had. He did it. He walked that thin

1371
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,720
line of overproduced and you know, unlistenable. I guess I

1372
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,720
don't know that he walked it very well, where he

1373
01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:59,359
maintained this strong hard rock heavy metal sound that they

1374
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,960
had while also making it very radio friendly.

1375
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah this, I mean this is the most radio friendly

1376
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,680
album that Molly Crue has ever done.

1377
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor feel Good and Kickstart My Heart were both

1378
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,319
named nominated for Grammy Awards for Best Hard Rock Performance

1379
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,520
in nineteen ninety and in nineteen ninety one lost to

1380
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:21,119
Living Color.

1381
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,279
Speaker 3: I feel like Doctor field Good and Kickstart of My

1382
01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:27,439
Heart should have won, but I stinking love culture personality

1383
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,199
by Living Color.

1384
01:19:28,319 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: They did win Best hard Rock Heavy Metal Album of

1385
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,439
the Year at the American Music Awards in January of

1386
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,760
ninety one for the album Yeah, and.

1387
01:19:37,279 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: They deserved it. Great album, tons of great songs, tons

1388
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,640
of fun. I love it.

1389
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: So that wraps up Doctor Feel Good. What an incredible album.

1390
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,720
Please don't forget to join us next week when we

1391
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,039
look at skid Row's debut album, skid Row.

1392
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,039
Speaker 3: I am so looking forward to get it into skid

1393
01:19:57,159 --> 01:19:57,960
Row's first album.

1394
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I mean, talk about a guy who has

1395
01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:03,920
a voice that was made for rock and roll and

1396
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:07,800
a face and a body and a personnel who wait

1397
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:12,319
a minute, Okay, I guess we'll have to talk about

1398
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:15,000
that next week. Don't forget to join us. Don't forget

1399
01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:18,560
to subscribe so that you don't miss the episode. Jason,

1400
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,640
it's been awesome man, d I can't.

1401
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 3: Wait to see you next week. Skid Row, finish it up.

1402
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:24,760
The matchup cool