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Thomas is back 23 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:56,319 and we are going to uh Thomas is going to 24 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,239 talk about one of everybody's favorite people in history in 25 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,359 the last couple hundred years. So ahead, Thomas. 26 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,719 Speaker 2: I want to talk about Carl Marx and Marxism. You know, 27 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:13,319 the twentieth century it was a conceptual dialogue with Marxist 28 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:20,840 Leninism that really can't be overstated, and virtually nobody understands 29 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:28,639 marx Okay, Marxisms invoked as this polemical device to describe 30 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:35,120 the ideology of the managerial state, which is this kind 31 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:42,560 of post nineteen sixty eight secular humanism, and you know, 32 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:50,520 this kind of ad hoc ideological pastiche that's invoked for 33 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,719 expediency to kind of play populations off against each other. 34 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,439 It's really kind of a hollow core. But what it's 35 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,560 not is not Marxist. Like people have this idea that 36 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:08,439 Marxism is a more extreme version of liberalism, or that 37 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:16,840 it's some sort of egalitarian ethos. It's none of those things. 38 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:23,560 And this isn't just trivia or some sort of pedantic 39 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,240 interest that curated because ideal a lot in political theory. 40 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,759 In my research, it's a central understanding the twentieth century, 41 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,120 and it's a central understanding the configuration of globalism and 42 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:49,479 why the sort of dialogue around nascent globalism and you know, 43 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,879 was characterized by the sort of ideological pulse stars that 44 00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:57,960 it was. You know, I can tell I'm not just 45 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,560 saying things. I can tell by talking to people, even 46 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:05,879 fairly intelligent people, you know, not just polemicists say ridiculous 47 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:10,000 things like Mark Levin or whatever. I can tell they've 48 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,560 never read Carl Marx because of the way they describe 49 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,120 Marxism or Communism when it existed, or some of these 50 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,800 people they'll say this straight face that somebody like Kamala 51 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,600 Harris as a communist, or that, oh, you know, university 52 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:34,079 professors are all Marxists. That betrays a fundamental ignorance of 53 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:44,959 what the intellectual culture is of the establishment. Okay. One 54 00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:47,519 of the only people who's written specifically on this is 55 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:50,800 Paul Gotfreed. I think, I mean obviously part ways with 56 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:57,399 Godfreed on a lot of subjects and for positions, but 57 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,639 he's got a very deep knowledge of political theory and 58 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:06,480 especially of praxis as it developed in the twentieth century, 59 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:12,120 and he's written extensively on the fact that the Cold 60 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,079 War was basically it was left wingers and liberals who 61 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:24,360 were It was left wingers and Marxist schismatics against Stalinists. 62 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:29,639 That's what it was. They came, both of whom came 63 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,959 to view orthodox Mercist Leninism as this kind of quasi fascistic, 64 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:44,879 reactionary tendency. There was also an aspect of viewing it 65 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:50,319 as a kind of oriental despotism. I mean that was 66 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,639 more on the conservative side, or what passes for conservatism 67 00:05:53,639 --> 00:06:00,000 in America. But you know, the provincialism to American liberals 68 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,079 as well, that IDR is even more pronounced than their 69 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,720 nominal opponents on the right, and especially in the later 70 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:15,399 phases of the Cold War, that was a subtext of 71 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,680 their objection to you know, the governments of the East 72 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,480 Block and things. Although they didn't come out and say it. 73 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:33,319 That's not just me reading into you know, what the 74 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:40,879 proponents of this position said without cause. It's very much there. Okay. 75 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,000 So it's as misguided to call American liberals Marxist as 76 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,680 it would be to say that somebody like George W. 77 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:53,079 Bush is a fascist. It's just it's at odds with reality. 78 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:01,759 And more than that, you know, it's conceptually illiterate on 79 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:09,000 you know, the way that globalism developed, you know, and 80 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,160 I'm always making the point, and I'm not sure people 81 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:16,399 fully grasp this. There's only one mode of government these 82 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,759 days that there's not competing modes of statecraft. There's only 83 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:27,920 globalism in the resistance, and within globalism obviously locally different 84 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:32,759 constellations of power the jury in defect. Oh, they'll hold 85 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,839 different cultural values and things, But that's not what the 86 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:40,199 color was about. We were talking about two radically different 87 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,920 ways of configuring what was to be the planetary order. Okay, 88 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:58,519 that's done pretty much. Every state and Westphalian states are 89 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,959 seasonal exists to make no mistas, but such that they 90 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:05,399 do still exist, and there will always be some kind 91 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:10,439 of devolved localism just by necessity, no matter how much 92 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:20,879 you know. Information technology integrates processes and structures. But there's 93 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,480 only with the exception of outliers like North Korea, which 94 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:29,040 is this unfortunate garrison state that happens to border China, 95 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:33,200 and the Russian Federation, where these kinds of one off 96 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:38,440 kingdoms or emirates, there's only one form of government, you know. 97 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,000 The Russian Federation obviously is very much on an enemy 98 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:48,080 footing with America and vice versa. But the Russian Federation 99 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,720 it's not that radically different kind of government. It's not 100 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,039 run by a party state. There's not a political bureau 101 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:59,600 that you know, enforces ideology from the top down. There's 102 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:02,960 not some centrally planned there's not some central planning authority 103 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:10,600 that you know, stands in for private ownership of productive mechanisms, 104 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:13,120 you know. And the fact that people don't seem to 105 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,159 fully understand this is a testament to there being a 106 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:27,879 basic you know, kind of kind of just lack of 107 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:36,200 understanding in total, and you know, to bring it home, 108 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:40,399 what was based one of the many things that was 109 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:46,440 basically unprecedented in the twentieth century. I can't think of 110 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,960 another historical paradigm wherein there's a singular ideology that that 111 00:09:53,080 --> 00:10:00,240 planetary scale is essentially dictating all political activity, either the 112 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:05,919 service of its praxis or in opposition to it. People 113 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:14,840 can invoke things like the Roman Empire, but that wasn't 114 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:20,639 remotely planetary, and the idea of Rome was more sort 115 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:25,000 of an acceptance of this configuration of power. There wasn't 116 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:28,320 some theory of human life that underlay the Roman empire, 117 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:35,720 you know, and you can take the ascendency of Islam 118 00:10:36,159 --> 00:10:44,399 was remarkable, the scale and scope of its success, which 119 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:51,840 was attained rapidly. But again that that was not planetary 120 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:57,600 and scale. And you know, sectarian wars are kind of 121 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,440 their own thing. The entire the entire planet wasn't in 122 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,879 dialogue with Islam. You know. There was dar al Islam 123 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:10,559 and there was its enemies, you know, so I don't 124 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,960 really think there's anything comparable. And the jacob and Revolution, 125 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:24,240 it was so violent and so disruptive, that purely ideological 126 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:31,840 cycle of violence in this Sartius the revolutionary cause, it 127 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:38,559 was essentially done after a decade, and what followed was, 128 00:11:40,639 --> 00:11:47,559 you know, this Napoleonic crusade, But that that was something 129 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,720 entirely different, you know, the revolutionary fervor that animated the 130 00:11:52,759 --> 00:12:00,440 preceding revolutionary form, A lot of those energies were somated 131 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:06,960 into the Napoleonic cause, but it was something categorically different, 132 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:13,080 you know. So the way to understand this is what 133 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:18,159 is Marxism. It's not merely a political ideology. It presented 134 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,559 itself as a comprehensive account of human life, and not 135 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,720 only human beings, and the way they live their lives 136 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:33,679 and their psychological makeup. But of all of nature and 137 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,600 the Marxist theory of history, it's not as that the 138 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,679 theory of the modern age, or it's not just the 139 00:12:42,799 --> 00:12:48,600 history of capitalism. It literally claims to be providing an 140 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:54,879 account of man's entire existence from the time when humans 141 00:12:54,919 --> 00:13:00,679 truly became human and anatomical and behavioral terms the present. 142 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:06,360 And it claims to be able to discern in categorical 143 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:12,039 terms what the future will look like based upon a 144 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:20,759 science of socialism and a science of history, whereby, you know, 145 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:31,279 through rational means and through a consistent methodology, all uncertainties 146 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:38,000 about you know, human political and social life and even 147 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,679 biological phenomena, it can be identified and largely predicted. Okay, 148 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:48,799 and it's it's proponents Marks himself and it's later and 149 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,679 it's and subsequent accolytes of his ideology. They acknowledge that 150 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:02,759 it wasn't possible to achieve this sort of predictive augery yet, 151 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,200 but they fully believe that this is going to become possible, 152 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,559 you know, and people generally don't understand that the totality 153 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:21,720 of it. Secondly, Marx wasn't really issuing a moral condemnation 154 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,799 of capitalism. There is a value centric discussion of the 155 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:36,600 then present paradigm and why it's you know, wrongheaded and 156 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:43,720 a social ill two perpetuate those state institutions in the 157 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:48,240 Marxist view, because this is violated of the dignity of workers, 158 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,039 and in the Marxist paradigm, labor is really the end 159 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,000 all be able to human life. But like another misnomer, 160 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,000 is this idea that Marxists were moralists who were who 161 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,200 were mad about capitalism. It's racist, or it's harmful to 162 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,559 women nerve, it's you know, it promotes inequalities. Marxists didn't 163 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:15,360 care about any of that. Marxists didn't care about racism. Now, 164 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,679 mind you. They might have looked at certain paradigms locally 165 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:27,000 or at wider scale and said, okay, these people are 166 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,919 being uniquely pressured by capitalism because within the sociology of 167 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,320 that failing system, they're being targeted for hostility. They are 168 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:43,679 probably be the logical population at target as our cadre. 169 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,360 But Marxist didn't sit around saying the gravest evil ever 170 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,679 is racism, and capitalism is bad because it's racist. Their 171 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:58,559 take was that these identitarian characteristics that people think are 172 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,879 so important, aren't they important? And it's this artificial contrivance. 173 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,600 So we need to get to the point where people 174 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:12,159 realize that these things don't matter. They're the last people 175 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,759 Marxists were who we're gonna say, we need a Black 176 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:19,960 History Month because black people are uniquely oppressed in history. 177 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:26,559 That's that, that's bourgeois morality. That's a way of dividing 178 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,519 the body. Politic or are trying to shore up a 179 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:33,120 sort of moral credibility within a failing system. You know, 180 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,279 So when people look at BLM or something they say, oh, 181 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:41,480 that's Marxist, or when they say that affirmative action, that's Marxist, 182 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,159 it's not at all, you know, now, mind you, Marxists 183 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,519 don't object to these things for legitimate reasons or for 184 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:53,000 accurate reasons. But that's not that's not something they promptly, 185 00:16:54,279 --> 00:16:59,480 you know, which is why the Soviet Union and the 186 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:07,319 DEDO are and communists Poland they refuse to acknowledge the 187 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:12,519 reported victim quoted European Jewry. They said, why does Jewish 188 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:16,200 identity matter? They said, we lost thirty million people fighting 189 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,680 the fascists. You know, we're not we're not we're not 190 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:25,400 going to single out some contrived sectarian identity and say, 191 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,920 these people are the victims of fascism. Why do we 192 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:34,319 care about that? You know, and I mean that speaks 193 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:40,680 for itself. Okay, it wasn't because everybody's anti Semitic or 194 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,400 whatever the current rationaleist or why the Warsaw pack proceeded 195 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:50,400 that way, it's because in a lot of ways, the 196 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,079 Soviet Uni United Satellites were in fact very orthodox Marxist. 197 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,160 You know, I know that there's those who have up 198 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,559 to that particularly and left for vision. It's academ but 199 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,759 that's I mean, that's a discussion for another day. But 200 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:13,680 this is important because again these kinds of curated moral 201 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:19,799 paradigms about the alleged victimization of discrete populations, that's such 202 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:26,559 an essential characteristic of therapeutic liberalism. You know that they 203 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,759 must be acknowledged. That's not remotely a Marxist priority. They 204 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:42,440 view it as nonsense. Now, the Marxist treatment of capitalism, 205 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,839 the reason why it's capitalist features are emphasized, and make 206 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:54,039 no mistake capitalism and the Marsist paradigms, It describes a 207 00:18:54,119 --> 00:19:00,000 discrete phase of historical development where there's very specific sociological 208 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:06,000 tendencies extant, as well as labor and production schema that 209 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:09,880 are historically contingent. They're not talking about capitalism and the 210 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,319 way like a neoliberal economist does, or in the way 211 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,680 they describe it to people in high school Civics class, 212 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:22,279 you know, and they're not Marxists aren't really talking about 213 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:31,160 doing business. Okay. The Marxian contention is that the economy 214 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,839 in any get An era, it's basically the kind of 215 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,039 distill the organic essence of the society that created it, 216 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:50,640 and therefore to grasp the essential features of the economy 217 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,119 and any give an epoch in that way you understand 218 00:19:54,160 --> 00:20:05,640 the most relevant and the most potent facts about that society. Okay. 219 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:14,279 So Marx's analysis of the then present and what Marx 220 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,440 is considered to be late modernity, you know, the nineteenth, 221 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:27,279 twentieth and twenty Firth centuries is a you know, essentially 222 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:36,200 organizing production and productive means and sociological structures around its 223 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:43,359 certain theory of value okay, which is at odds and 224 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:51,279 the Marxian view with what's instinctive to human beings and 225 00:20:53,240 --> 00:21:04,039 what can entail something approaching equity okay, trans is account 226 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:07,680 of the way that history transitions from past to future, 227 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:17,240 it's wholly dependent on dialectical materialism. And the depth to 228 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:24,319 which this is existentially significant is something I think is 229 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,400 understated even in a lot of contemporary texts that otherwise 230 00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:35,039 grasp the the theory in practice is pretty well, you know, 231 00:21:35,079 --> 00:21:43,799 it goes beyond a priority of economic conditions. Again, economic 232 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:53,799 conditions in the Marxian worldview or body of theory are 233 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,279 quite literally the skilled essence of every relevant aspect of 234 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:02,319 that society to human life life, not just the political affairs, 235 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,839 you know. And Marx's claim, what the way he fleshes 236 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,319 out was he said, look, the study of man and 237 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,240 must reflect mankind as he really is, you know, not 238 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:20,079 based on an ideal conception of him or of his 239 00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:26,559 presumed potentialities or what constitutes the good in some abstract sense, 240 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,319 you know. And he also considered it destruct David to 241 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:36,160 contemplate some pristine natural man even as a thought experiment, 242 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,920 you know. He said, at base, what empirical man is. 243 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,920 He's primarily like a living organism, that's essentially a biological machine. Right. 244 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,799 He consumes food, he needs clothing, he needs shelter, he 245 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:57,640 needs fuel. So at base, human life is is exclusively 246 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,000 oriented around and towards the pulsion to find or to 247 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:08,599 produce these things. You know, man before history, or before 248 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,440 man truly became man, which demarks as the chorus, as 249 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,960 a biological accident. You know, there's God didn't create these 250 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:24,279 things once upon a time. You know, anatomically, if not 251 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,960 behaviorally modern humans, they might have survived simply by using 252 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:32,119 things they can find or kill or gather, but at 253 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:41,200 some point increase in population or shortages or pressures from 254 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,200 predatory animals or predatory hominids, it forced them to produce 255 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,799 their own necessities and find a way to make things. 256 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:54,759 And this is what distinguishes man from the beasts. The 257 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,319 singular defining characteristic of humans and what separates them from 258 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,720 animals in the Marxist paradigm is to get the cap 259 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:07,920 the capacity for conscious production. Not rationality, not political order, 260 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,759 not the capacity the love, not not not the ability 261 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:18,400 to his art. It's simply the capacity for conscious production. Now, 262 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,480 to be sure, you can find animals who produce primitive 263 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:29,400 tools or insects to devise structures, but that's purely instinctive. 264 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:37,759 It's not consciously productive. Okay, And man by way of 265 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:42,480 the same psychological mechanism. The facility is conscious production. He 266 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:48,920 can contemplate the object of his labor. Okay, so where man? 267 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,000 You know? And again, because all there is is human 268 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:57,000 life and the Marxist paradigm, the only thing that gives 269 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:02,079 life value is man's ability to contemplate the value of 270 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,960 his labor in and of itself and say, I can 271 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:08,000 build this house, or I can take these mammoth bones 272 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:12,880 and make a weapon, or you know, I can, or 273 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,359 a woman saying you know, I can, I can make 274 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,640 clothes out of this animal hide, you know. And that's 275 00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:25,720 essential not just the human psychic health and social stability, 276 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,400 but that's literally the essence of what life is. You know. 277 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,839 It's not feeling good about yourself as a black person. 278 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:38,319 It's not feeling fulfilled in your relationships. It's not like 279 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,359 being the best Frenchman or white person or Moslem or 280 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,079 Catholic that you can be. It's literally his ability to 281 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:55,359 contemplate the finished product of your labor and to live 282 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,359 as a man is for some acknowledgment to be rendered 283 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,920 to that process. So once you remove that from people, 284 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,799 you're turning people into animals essentially, you know, And that's 285 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,640 that's also the reason why slavery is instidious in the 286 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,319 Marxist paradigm. Now, mind you, Marxist would say slavery was 287 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:19,759 an essential aspect of economic development and historical process. But 288 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:23,480 they'd also say it's not evil to enslave people because 289 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:27,720 then they're not free to supposedly, you know, carry out 290 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:31,680 this agency that they all have or whatever. It's because 291 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,960 you're turning man into an animal by removing from him 292 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,119 the power to consciously produce and more significantly, contemplate the 293 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,359 future product of his labor and take pride and satisfaction 294 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:53,359 in that. Okay, Now, especially to younger people, this probably 295 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:59,880 sounds very strange and it is abjectly reductionist. But the 296 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,559 degree to which during the Second Industrial Age life was 297 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,920 dominated by this kind of rote and dangerous and difficult 298 00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:16,599 labor that really can't be overstated. And not only was 299 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480 there not a welfare state, but there wasn't plenty like 300 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:23,000 here in twenty twenty five. This is by what people say, 301 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:28,200 and don't get me wrong, homeless people, most of whom 302 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,960 are addicted and or mentally ill. Admittedly being homeless sucks, 303 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,880 and I can attest to that. X. I've been homeless. 304 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:42,440 But you can basically find free stuff in any big 305 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,599 American city or metro area. You're not gonna die of starvation. 306 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,119 You might die from violence, or from drugs or from illness. 307 00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:54,039 You're not gonna literally starve to death. Well, that's a 308 00:27:54,119 --> 00:28:02,640 recent innovation. You know. In eighteen forty, if you lived 309 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,599 in some London slum, there's a good chance you lived 310 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,400 in a shanty were there. Literally it was a floor 311 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,319 made of dirt. If your wife managed to survive childbirth, 312 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,039 she probably wasn't gonna live much beyond forty, in part 313 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:27,799 because the error was poisonous. You know, your kids were 314 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:30,839 at constant risk of death until they reached about seven 315 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,400 or eight years old. You would be working thirteen or 316 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:41,039 fifteen hours a day in some factory setting, doing a 317 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880 rope task over and over and over and over and 318 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,240 over again. And if your body failed you, or if 319 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,079 you got too old, or if you broke a limb, 320 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:54,079 or if you like hit your fingers chopped off, you 321 00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,799 were going to starve to death. Nobody's gonna hire a 322 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,240 cripple or a broken down old man, or a guy 323 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,279 who's you know, got a tubercular cough, for whose livers 324 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,119 failing because of his alcoholism. You're just going to die, 325 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,519 you know. Maybe there'll be some poorhouse charity that'll have 326 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,240 mercy on you and feed you once every two days, 327 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,400 or maybe some church man will you know, occasionally, you know, 328 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:24,079 feed your children a slice of bread or something. But 329 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:31,680 your life and your death literally orbited around your ability 330 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,119 to labor and sell your labor to a producer, you know. 331 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,839 So looking at it, it's hard to see outside of 332 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:52,400 the historical moment for anybody. But in the in the 333 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,079 case of marks and angles, and we'll get into angles 334 00:29:55,119 --> 00:30:01,799 next episode. This wasn't speculative really, I mean, what they 335 00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,720 extrapolated from it was a sweet thing conclusion that couldn't 336 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,839 be substantiated despite what they said by a scientific methodology. 337 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,079 But what they were describing the aspects of the human 338 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,440 condition and putting on social life that they considered to 339 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,920 be absolutely paramount. These things were dictating the terms of 340 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,279 human existence day to day, hour to hour, minutes a minute, 341 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:42,720 and uh, that has got to be acknowledged, you know. So, 342 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,240 in other words, to bring it back, the Marxist doctrine 343 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:55,519 of productive force determinism and the primacy of production. The 344 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,079 rest of the belief that it was the pressure of 345 00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,039 material needs. You know, they need for food, the need 346 00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,039 for fuel, the need for things to consume, the need 347 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:09,799 for shelter, clothing, the production of these things. That's what 348 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,640 forced man upward and made him human. Okay, It wasn't 349 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:22,279 his mind, you know this, These intellectual capacities were curated 350 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:28,319 by this material need to produce, okay, And that's what 351 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,680 continues to press man onward and upward. And this is 352 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,759 why again Marxists don't condemn the historical process or say, 353 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:41,400 see slavery's evil in some terms, it's evil, or industrial 354 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,759 labor in its era was evil because man is transcending 355 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:56,640 his limitations in this admittedly brutal historical process whereby he 356 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,759 develops knowledge of technology, the technological processes, which in turn 357 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,759 produce more plenty, which in turn extent human life, which 358 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:11,640 in turn facilitate greater and greater, you know, horizons of 359 00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:17,240 production and activity. It's actually a very, very very brutal 360 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,400 view of the world. There's nothing soft about it or 361 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,119 liberal about it or humanizing. One of the things that's 362 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:30,119 sinister about it is it's incredibly dehumanizing. It. It basically 363 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,000 causes it basically says that, you know, the things that 364 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,400 most people in a capitalist society would value our weakness, 365 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,599 you know. I mean it should be clear to anybody 366 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,599 who reads about life in the DDR or the Soviet 367 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,400 Union or communist Poland. I mean that that's one of 368 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,960 the things that Corny is, Like Komola Herris is a Marxist, 369 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,119 or like this this pink heired hr lady used forwarde 370 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,000 pounds as a Marxist. It's like these people, these people 371 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,200 would be eaten a lie of marksist society, you know, 372 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,519 or they'd be viewed as degenerates who were useless eaters, 373 00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:10,119 and they'd be condemned basically by everybody. You know, Like, 374 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,640 don't get make a mistake. There's nothing cool or laudable 375 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:21,640 about some policemen in some styleisted state thinking that, you know, 376 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,200 owing to his revolutionary credential is the fact he dropped 377 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720 bodies and the revolution and entitles him to decide who 378 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,920 lives new dies, because that's fucked up. But what that's 379 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,119 not is some soft liberal perspective or personality that's being curated, 380 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:51,960 you know it, you know, and of course, the conditions 381 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,440 of production in any given epoch, that's what determines prevailing 382 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:01,599 property relations. You know, we're not talking and Marxist weren't 383 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,559 talking about the abstract deftitors no property. They're not talking 384 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:12,840 about personal things you own, or you know, individual people 385 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:21,679 in some you know, individuated way being able to accrue 386 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,199 more stores of things than other people. We're talking about 387 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,480 who has actual access to productive means and who is 388 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:37,199 prevented from acquiring it. So, for example, under a feudal 389 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,320 system which endured for a really long time, and Marx 390 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,679 actually had a fairly interesting account of why this is, 391 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,880 which people like Runner Sombard actually shared. But under feudalism, 392 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,800 for example, you have lords who possess land, and they 393 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:01,760 have rights to other properties, such as the commodities produced 394 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,559 by that land and the people who work that land, 395 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:09,599 or serfs who are tied to that parcel, and serfs 396 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,159 they're legally precluded from owning property. Like even a surf 397 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,719 who got manumitted and somehow, I mean maybe he was 398 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,920 a hero of some religious war or something. Let's say, 399 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,840 however unlikely this is this former serf. He got some 400 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:34,199 you know, military title of lesser nobility or something. Okay, 401 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,000 he still wouldn't be able to go back and buy 402 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,039 that parcel, no matter how much gold he could come 403 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:49,039 up with. Okay, But the thing about the feudal arrangement, 404 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:50,679 and one of the reasons why it endured for so 405 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,679 long and why they weren't catastrophic pressures that destroyed it, 406 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,920 is because there's a natural interdependence in that system. There's 407 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,079 far far less alienation. You know, you're almost related to 408 00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:10,199 the lord who owns the land that you till if 409 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,960 you're a serf, you know, and odds are, your families 410 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,559 lived on that land for generations, and the lord, unless 411 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,559 he had no progeny or something, odds are, it's the 412 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:26,920 same thing with him. And in time of war, he's 413 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,199 gonna need able bodied men to fill out the ranks 414 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,559 of his army. You know, if we come under attack, 415 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,599 we're gonna have to work together to defend off those 416 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:45,880 who would slaughter us. If I need justice because another man, 417 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,840 either of my class and station or of a higher 418 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,760 caste and station, does violence to my family, I've got 419 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,519 to approach, you know, the lord of the manor and 420 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,239 appealed in for justice. You know, And there's always some 421 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,559 kind of accountability where you're talking about this a direct 422 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,880 relationships between people, even if they're grossly and unequal, and 423 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:17,119 even if they're not born of warm and spontaneous intentional relationships. 424 00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,239 You know, you can't have people in these under these 425 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,719 conditions being totally at odds of one another. Otherwise the 426 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,239 system doesn't work. Okay, there's there's got to be a 427 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,079 basic give and take, even if it arrives from the 428 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:33,079 position that totally unequal footing, as we respect the station, 429 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:40,079 you know. And Marx also makes the point too that 430 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:48,280 you know the primacy of money really didn't exist until 431 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:56,000 later modernity, because yeah, in a feudal system, you basically 432 00:37:56,039 --> 00:38:00,119 only use money as a you know, a symbol, a 433 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:07,239 like indicator of uh, of a of a of a 434 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,719 fungible commodity, you know it uh because it's not possible 435 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,320 you know, to convey you know, to pick up an 436 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,559 attract a land, to convey a two representative of somebody 437 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,679 purchasing it for example, you know that can I enter 438 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:24,719 up for a second. 439 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: Would that be why competition was so looked down upon 440 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,440 because competition, competition would raise prices, it would make profit. 441 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,679 Now now you're putting profit above everything. 442 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's big part of it. And that's also too 443 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,280 what I mean, Somber gets into that, like the when uh, 444 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,119 I mean Sombart generally agrees with Spangler, the adminent double 445 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,360 entry book keeping and the abstraction of profits from the 446 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,400 local production. You know, that changed everything and it created this, 447 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,880 It creates did this catastrophic tension between this between the 448 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,639 town and the country. Yeah, that's definitely a big part 449 00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,880 of it. But it's also like we're talking about Hana 450 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:17,920 Rent the other day. As a staycraft became more and 451 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,199 more scaled, money became more and more important, you know, 452 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:30,280 and uh that meant that, uh, there was perverse incentives 453 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,920 that kind of prioritize money over what there before had 454 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,679 been the metric of wealth, which was inextricably tied to production. 455 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,840 So yeah, it's all of those things. But Marx is 456 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,199 the key takeaway from Marx is that, like Marx actually, 457 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,480 and we'll get to this, it's good to be complicated. 458 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,079 But the Marxist viewpoint is that Marx refers to the 459 00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,599 science of econom the purported science of economics is ideology, 460 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,920 because he said that all it is is that he said, 461 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,400 it's what it is that's people viewing capitalist relationships of 462 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,320 production and labor and the preminence of money, and declaring 463 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,440 that these are perennial things. And even if the paradigm 464 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:20,159 changes a bit, he said, people like Adam Smith or 465 00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:23,800 like Edmund Burke, what they were saying is that these 466 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,599 variables are constant for all time. It's just that the 467 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:31,519 way they're symbolized, and the scale and complexity of the 468 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,239 way they interact with one another, and the relative significance 469 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,679 of each variable might change. But these things are constant. 470 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,920 And Marx's whole point is, no, none of these things 471 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,079 are constant. And even money is a recent innovation because 472 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:51,679 again Marx's theory, it essentially spans forty thousand years. Okay, 473 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:56,400 so it's like, okay, well for thirty three thousand years, 474 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,400 there wasn't money. You know, you're telling me this is 475 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,679 a permanent feature of human life. And again, to him, 476 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,760 human life isn't politics, or the ability to love your children, 477 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,360 or you know, the the the the impulse to glorify God. 478 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,679 It's the ability to contemplate production and the finished results 479 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:23,280 of that production, and to remove objects from one sensory 480 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:30,960 environment and convert them into utile objects. You know. So yeah, 481 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,880 and we'll we'll get more into that as we go on. 482 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:40,119 Probably not today though, but uh, you. 483 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: Know, so. 484 00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 2: Marks big assertion and dosc capital is a really difficult value. 485 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,360 And like I said, dos capital though, along with business 486 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,199 cycles by Stimpeter, those are key if you want to 487 00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,119 do in political economy, you got to read both of those, 488 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,719 I think, and there it's it's a it's a it's 489 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,039 a it's a substantial undertaking. But to still down one 490 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:11,000 of the major aspects of dust capital is that it's 491 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,840 it's a it's a grave error as any kind of 492 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,039 analyst or historian or political theorist. It's a grave error 493 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:26,079 to treat consumption, distribution, money itself, the way in which 494 00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:32,599 exchange is conducted, you know, of commodities and labor. Treating 495 00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:38,199 these things that's eternal categories that have some permanent context 496 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,440 or relevance. That's a grave error. Because he said there's 497 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,360 they none of those things are true, you know, which 498 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,800 is why the primary defect in his view of political 499 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,599 economy or economics. You know, he calls it bougeois ideology, 500 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,719 you know, and the Margins view is that this isn't 501 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,679 even intentional, like, yeah, there's people who have invested incentive 502 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,840 and manipulating historical data to suggest that you know, what 503 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:19,280 they view as being essential to their personal prosperity hosts 504 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,320 an outside significance, you know. But he said a lot 505 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,360 of it, even people who aren't directly insinuated and do 506 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,480 you know capitalist processes or ownership, and people who played 507 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,639 a role in their professional life in terms of the 508 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:45,199 financing of these things. You know, they their conceptual horizon 509 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,360 is colored by what by existential nontological variables. They can't 510 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,320 think outside of this paradigm, you know. And the rare 511 00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:02,239 men who can are the ones who you know, possess 512 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,239 the foresight to predict outcomes in basic terms, you know. 513 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:24,360 So you know, this raises an interesting problem though with Marxism, 514 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,159 and this isn't It's not just March. This is the 515 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:34,559 problem of the empiricists, and if you read Hume, this 516 00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:38,960 is obviously the question that will emerge as well as 517 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,360 the later critics of idealism. That's why, like I said, 518 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000 when we complete this marx discussion, I want to get 519 00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:52,960 in a hustle and hust role is a hugely important 520 00:44:53,719 --> 00:45:00,239 thinker and he was the primary Ficta and hust or 521 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,559 where the primary influence is a Heidiger in my opinion. 522 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:09,320 But the problem of ideal is specifically, as in discussion 523 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:21,199 of Marx, relates to Marx's relationship to Hegel. Obviously, Marx's 524 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:26,800 take on the dependence of political and economic theory on 525 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:31,000 historic conditions of production, this entails far more than just 526 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,519 economic theory, you know. And like I said at the outset, 527 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,800 what I understand Marx is he's talking about the human 528 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,760 condition and its entirety from the dawn of man to 529 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:51,880 the then present and into the distant future. That's a theory, 530 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:57,679 uh that that's that's that's a theory of deepest storicism, okay, 531 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,719 And that they can't be that that's not up for debate. 532 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,159 Marx's claims again, is that all morality, all philosophy, all religion, 533 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,800 all cultural belief systems are the results to conditioning by 534 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,840 men of their environments and the man made aspects of 535 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:29,039 that environment, which, increasingly as scale increases, shape and determine 536 00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:33,920 the natural environment. These things are exclusively the expression of 537 00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:41,400 modalities of production. Okay. The opposite view is the pure 538 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:48,119 Hegelian view that man has an independent mind, you know, 539 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:56,280 and the intelligence contained within that mind man devises institutions. 540 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:04,639 He formulates conceptual structures waiting to ethics. You know, he 541 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:10,960 developed esthetical conventions. Marx rejects all of these things as 542 00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:16,639 ideology once again. And the Marx any doctrine that is 543 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:20,960 purported to have an independent status or origin point, independent 544 00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:29,039 of productive schema, which is the progeny of man's need 545 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:37,000 to provide for necessities of life. You know. But the 546 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,159 problem of course here is that that in and of itself, 547 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,119 that's an artifact of an idealist schema, you know. It's 548 00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:52,960 what you're saying is that Marx is devising this entire 549 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:58,159 theory of human existence. I mean that itself is derivative 550 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,119 of mind. Okay, and what's a man's basically an automaton 551 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:13,639 who is essentially a beast. But the instinctive behaviors that 552 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,639 he implements individually and as part of a collective are 553 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,159 just the part of sub conscious programming. But Mark specifically 554 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:27,039 disavows that. So there's a contradiction here and from what 555 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,519 I can glean, and there's not much directly related to 556 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:33,920 the subject matter, believe it or not. What I can 557 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,159 glean is that Marx would say, would have said, or 558 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:44,840 contained kind of within the more sociological essays he wrote 559 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:48,840 was that well, you know, I don't purport and nobody 560 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:55,239 reports to fully understand processes of mind. But it's clear 561 00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:02,039 that there's a h It's clear that there's an exponential 562 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:08,199 aspect to learning. And man's also evolved, you know, to 563 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:19,280 once he devises, you know, relatively complex objects. You know, 564 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,119 from that process of devising those things, and from the 565 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:30,119 process of learning new uses for those things. You know, 566 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,960 thoughts take on their own kind of momentum related to 567 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:41,480 this instinctive necessity to produce, you know, and that seems tautological, 568 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,320 but as far as I can tell, that would basically 569 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:50,840 be the mercy and answer. You know. Well, like I said, 570 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,079 it's this preciss little written directly on this subject matter, 571 00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:07,119 and I have looked, you know. But moving on, and 572 00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,639 this brings us to you know, I said at the 573 00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:17,079 outset Marx was not primarily an ethical theorist, and that 574 00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,960 that's a big misunderstanding even among people who are fairly 575 00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:32,880 learned in political theory. But what is an ethical imperative is, uh, 576 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:41,199 you know, to resist the advance of history and the 577 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,960 end of history within the Marxist paradigm and the achievement 578 00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:53,480 of you know, a a classless society, not an egalitarian society. 579 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,599 There are two different things, you know, by the fulfillment 580 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:04,840 of a of a you know, historical processes that allows 581 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,320 socialism to flourish. You know, it's it is, in fact 582 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:15,920 a moral ill to try and sabotage these things. Now 583 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,079 why is that, Well, we already stayblished that within the 584 00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:27,400 Marxist paradigm, all historic modes of production and labor had 585 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:33,039 one feature in common, and that was that control of 586 00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:41,119 production means was not shared in by everybody. There's always 587 00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:46,400 been a narrow coterie of producers or owners or possessors 588 00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:54,519 who had more not just to the material product that 589 00:51:54,639 --> 00:52:00,840 was being rendered, but their capacity for work largely belong 590 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,320 to themselves, so they could live fulfilling lives. Even if 591 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,320 you know marc vers who acknowledge managing a massive conglomerate 592 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:13,960 is incredibly difficult and time consuming. But what it also 593 00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:20,599 entails is many many different types of labor and many 594 00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:24,239 types of power processes that have to be imagined, devised, 595 00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:32,559 brought into reality and then fulfilled. Okay, so somebody like 596 00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:38,280 Henry Ford, for example, he's living as a fully realized man, 597 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,320 even if his life is not particularly happy. And even 598 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:48,400 if Oliver does its work, as opposed to say, a 599 00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:52,960 man who works in a factory for a low wage, 600 00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:56,840 who performs one wrote activity over and over and over 601 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,440 and over again for fifteen or eighteen hours a day, 602 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,000 that man's not only been totally alienated from his labor, 603 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:09,360 his labor has been bifurcated into a fractured aspect of 604 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,320 a total process. But he also has no capacity for 605 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,840 other labor. He can't build a house, you know. He 606 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,559 can't invent a better hunting rifle. You know, he can't 607 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:29,599 perfect a better kind of rowboat. You know. He is 608 00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,599 in the position that a slave was, but even worse 609 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,280 because even a slave basically only had to work till sundown, 610 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,480 and then if you wanted to go play his banjo 611 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:43,719 or carve scrimshaw, he could do that. Okay, if you're 612 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,320 the proletarian labor, you're being quite literally worked to death, 613 00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:53,039 and when you do die, probably well before your time, 614 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,199 you will have nothing in your life that could be 615 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,119 said to belong to you. And the only again, the 616 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,360 raison debtre human life in the Marxist paradigm is the 617 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:13,079 productive process and the ability to imagine the completed artifact 618 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,320 of that productive process, and that doesn't exist to the 619 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,119 exploited proletarian. You know, he's been reduced to the level 620 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:27,119 of an animal, and then he will die and again too. 621 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,079 When I say that this is Marx's moral ontology, it's 622 00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:36,440 not just pontificating on how awful this is for his 623 00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,760 own sake or that they shouldn't have happened. He's saying 624 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,840 this was an essential aspect of the historical process. But 625 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,400 you try and stabotage progress beyond that, you're trying to 626 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,360 keep people at the level of animals. You are oppressing them, 627 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,639 and you are trying to stabotage the advance of history, which, 628 00:54:54,679 --> 00:55:00,239 because Marxist are atheists, history is God, the the end 629 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,719 all be human life is labor. You're essentially revolting against 630 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,639 God to try and stop history, and you're doing it 631 00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:13,400 for the sake of your own piggage greed. Okay, that's 632 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:19,320 why capitalists are pigs, by the way, Okay, because that's 633 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,599 the uh the pig is. This stands in as a 634 00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:28,920 symbol for gluttony. Okay. So the capitalist to hoooth and 635 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,360 nail wants to fight the proletarian revolution. He's only thinking 636 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,239 about himself and his own belly, you know, and uh, 637 00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:45,159 that's why such people. Also, there's an intrinsically homicidal aspect 638 00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:48,440 to Marxist praxis. I maintain, I don't think they could 639 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,440 be denied. That's not some cheap polemical point, you know, 640 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:57,000 like comedy kill people. I mean they do, but it 641 00:55:56,519 --> 00:56:01,559 I'm not just saying stupid thing a. I mean there's 642 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:09,719 a there's a there's an intrinsic need to categorically annihilate 643 00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:18,440 people who aren't educable in in you know, the Marxist 644 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,280 praxis and beyond that. I'm getting ahead of myself, but 645 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,800 you know, you've you've got to wipe out the ability 646 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,559 of people to consider alternative modalities because if you allow 647 00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:39,480 them to do that, or if you allow that potentiality, 648 00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:47,280 you know, an inherently counter revolutionary sociology will develop, you know, 649 00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:53,239 And that's part of the double edged sort of literacy, 650 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,039 you know. But we'll get into that. But I'm going 651 00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,400 to stop there because I'm about to change gears of 652 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,239 it and I need another hour for that. 653 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,119 Speaker 1: Not a problem, not a problem. I think that's a 654 00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:11,519 good place to wrap up. And uh, yeah, this is 655 00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:18,639 good stuff. It's amazing to me that you have no 656 00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:22,679 idea how many people I've engaged, like especially on social media, 657 00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:26,480 who say they're Marxists, and then you start talking to 658 00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,519 him and you're like, this person has never read marx 659 00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,599 by like except like past, like the never Gotten Past, 660 00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:32,920 like the Communist Manifesto. 661 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 2: Jackson Hankle is a serious guy, and I consider him 662 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,039 for limited PURBs is to be. I don't know the dude, 663 00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:43,840 but him and people like him, I consider them for 664 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,320 limited purposes. The allies. He's a serious Marxist. I mean, 665 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,079 don't get me wrong. He's not one of these guys 666 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:59,039 who has some retrograde view of things. You know. He's 667 00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,039 more of a world system theorists, which an anybody who 668 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:08,199 abides Marxist political economy is. I mean that if they're 669 00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,480 not in a game, if they're not you know, kind 670 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,320 of abiding a lot of Emmanuel Vollerstein's ideas. So I 671 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,599 mean that Jackson Hinkel was one of those kinds of guys. 672 00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:24,440 But he and obviously don't agree with that paradigm. But yeah, 673 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,880 he's a serious guy. But there's there's not and what 674 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,960 I mean, his whole as far as I understand it, 675 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,800 from what I've read of his content, his work product, 676 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,719 his whole notion is that the the real intellectual poverty 677 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,119 on the radical left, it's it's just degenerate liberals and 678 00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:47,719 you know, bourgeois morons and like sexual deviance. And he's 679 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,079 not wrong. I mean, there's the The death of the 680 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,840 intellectual left is one of the weirder things in my lifetime, 681 00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:01,039 you know, because they were such that that's argue with 682 00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:08,320 such an outside impact on that intellectual life and even 683 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,880 you know, did that trickle down into like datty discourse. 684 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:16,079 But yeah, I hope the subs get something positive out 685 00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:19,239 of this man, Like I'm trying to do the best 686 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:24,199 I can to convey these things in an accurate way 687 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,920 that that's also listenable and not torturous to subject oneself 688 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,559 to positive like lean So that makes me happy. 689 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I look forward to part two of this 690 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,440 because that's when Yep, the thing is, it's just not 691 00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:44,199 a simple subject, and people try to make it really 692 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,760 simple because all they see they either concentrate on the 693 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,440 death or they concentrate on the economics of it, and 694 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,719 they don't see exactly what it was, and that it 695 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:07,079 no one's ever read marks. 696 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 2: The web song the other day, like people uh in 697 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,840 lieu of edging themselves, they just they just look at 698 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,480 memes a bullish the Fed, and I'm like, what does 699 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,519 that mean? Why? Why? Why is the Fed just evil? 700 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: Oh? 701 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 2: Just the food? It's regulation. No, no, no, that doesn't 702 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:29,880 mean anything, you know. And so I mean, I'm a 703 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,280 I'm a Trumpeter guys, I think he leaned, you know, 704 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,239 and a lot of people mistakenly put Trumpeter with the 705 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,840 Austrians because he literally was from Austria and the reasons 706 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,719 for limited purposes will invoke him because he's too important 707 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:51,000 not to. I mean, I think he's the twentieth century. Yeah. Yeah, 708 01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,480 But it's these these like internet guys will try and 709 01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:56,760 push it back on me, and I'm like, you've never 710 01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,239 read any of this stuff, you know, You're you look 711 01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:02,480 at means it's like you don't know what you're talking about. 712 01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:06,000 You know, you don't have any understanding of political economy. 713 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,079 You've never read a single book on it. You know. 714 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,480 It's like like stupid, and he don't convene anything. 715 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,639 Speaker 1: I don't know, am I thinking wrong here? It seems 716 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:21,639 like to me, when you run into somebody who is 717 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,159 well read on subjects that are important. They have a 718 01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:29,360 tendency to be able to argue from both sides. They 719 01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:36,440 have nuanced thinking, and they're not they don't have to 720 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,400 argue from their ideology. It seems like the people who 721 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,039 you run into who are the most like we got 722 01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,360 to smash the Jews and stuff like that, these aren't 723 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,639 people who actually, like have read historical accounts of the 724 01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:54,280 history of like the Jewish people for the last years. 725 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,360 Speaker 2: Well, that's why don't understand what I think they're getting 726 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,079 out of this. You know, I guess to them, it's 727 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,079 just like a video game, or I don't even know 728 01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:03,079 it's a well. 729 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Social media is a playground where people can It's a 730 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,840 playground where people try to outsmart each other and they 731 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,639 do things like, you know, they see somebody who you know, 732 01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:19,519 has ten thousand followers, and they're like, oh, I got 733 01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:21,239 to follow this guy and make him look like a 734 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,760 make him look like a trying to if I can 735 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,800 make him look like a retard, if I can get 736 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,880 someone to, you know, to laugh at him, or if 737 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,519 I can spot him saying something wrong, because I mean 738 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,199 what you and I speak what one hundred thousand? You know, 739 01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,280 how many words a week do we speak, We're going 740 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,039 to miss speak on something. You know, it's like and 741 01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:42,079 that's like their whole life, you know, so. 742 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,400 Speaker 2: It's okay to go argue about the Texas Longhorns and 743 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,440 how they're gonna do this season. Like why pretend you 744 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,119 understand political economy? That's so fucking random. You know. If 745 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,360 you like to a hobo deciding he's an expert on 746 01:02:54,519 --> 01:03:00,280 nuclear physics, you know, it's like, yeah, I don't know 747 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,880 about building. I don't go find where carpenters hang out 748 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,960 and be like, you're wrong, man, who's that you build 749 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,360 a house? Like why would I do that? That's retarding. 750 01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:15,199 Speaker 1: There's my point, like, yeah, people have people do this 751 01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:16,920 thing where it's like, you know, it's like why do 752 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,440 you talk about you know, why do you talk about 753 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:19,760 the history of the Jews? Why are you reading a 754 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,679 book like two hundred years together? Do you think the 755 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,320 Jews run everything? And I'm like, and I think to myself, 756 01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:29,079 look when you look at academia and you look at 757 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:37,400 very important plate, important subjects, important industries, important, yep, there 758 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,559 are Jews. There are Jews at the top of it, 759 01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:42,840 insinuated at the top of it. In most cases. If 760 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,199 that was Chinese. If they were Chinese, I'd be reading 761 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:51,679 Chinese History twenty four to seven. Well yeah, yeah, So 762 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:56,760 it's like it's like, oh, you're obsessed. It's like, how 763 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,239 could you not be? You know, it's like you see, 764 01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:00,000 you see. 765 01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:04,199 Speaker 2: A like go where my research takes me? Like I 766 01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:06,880 am I trying to I'm not trying to like impress 767 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,400 Rando's by what I research. They go where it takes me. 768 01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,559 You know, if I feeling that deviant, you're weird. Okay, 769 01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,960 I mean they're That means nothing to me. But also, 770 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:20,039 these people aren't in my league. You know, I'm not 771 01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,320 good at a lot of things. Man, I'm probably fine 772 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,239 with it. You know, most people. If somebodys in this 773 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,119 culture aren't, they can't. They want to pretend to like 774 01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,880 good at everything. I'm good at very, very, very very 775 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:35,800 few things. I understand political economy and political theory better 776 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,440 than the overwhelming majority of people. And I will die 777 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,360 on that hill because I know it's fucking true. So 778 01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:45,440 when some like Internet Rando with an IQ of eighty 779 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,599 nine like tries to tell me he knows things, it's 780 01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:52,039 fucking embarrassing. You know. 781 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a guy on Twitter today who I 782 01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:00,239 mean probably a really nice guy. He wasn't mean at all. 783 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,280 I mean, you know he was, but he genuinely thinks 784 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,920 that this system can be like rehabilitated, Like if your 785 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,079 people take over this system, it can be rehabilitated. It's like, 786 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:16,320 you don't understand that it doesn't have the systems and anachronism. 787 01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, they well also, I mean history. The history is 788 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,840 I mean one of the things Marx wasn't wrong about, 789 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,199 and admittedly, I mean a lot of this was what 790 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,119 he owes to his Hegelianism, especially when he was a 791 01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:37,320 young man. There's nothing content about history. It doesn't repeat itself. 792 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,079 There's not perennial institutions. Okay, Now that doesn't mean there 793 01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,280 is no truth. That doesn't mean there is no morals. 794 01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:49,440 What that means is that pretending that the twentieth century 795 01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:54,119 state is this perennial thing that's his constant as a 796 01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:59,440 mountain range. You don't understand history. I don't mean you 797 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,280 don't understand in like the meaningless factorys they give you 798 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,880 in high school Civics class. I mean you don't understand 799 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,039 that it's a process. And even now it's it's it's 800 01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:14,440 everything is changing. You know. And that's that's whether there's 801 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,960 so few playable theorists worth reading, because very very very 802 01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,679 very very few men can I identify these changes and 803 01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:27,320 the kind of configuration of what's developing as it happens. 804 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,920 It's the metaphor, I like, is this okay? If you're 805 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,000 in the desert and there's an obelisk, you know, like 806 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,840 in two thousand, or a monolith, okay, and you're smacked 807 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,599 up against it like this. You can't discern its dimensions, 808 01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:48,800 and you can probably tell its color, maybe what it's 809 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:54,519 made out of. That's it. You know, only at distance, 810 01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:01,039 possibly even miles distance, can you establish it's actual configuration 811 01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:06,000 and dimensions. That's kind of the role or the situatedness 812 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,920 of you know, or a visionist or any kind of 813 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,079 historical analysts. You're smacked up against the obelisk. That is 814 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:18,119 not just the historical record, but the present and probable 815 01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:20,280 and possible futures. You know. 816 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,320 Speaker 1: But do you think that when people say that history 817 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:32,400 repeats itself, they're just seeing human behavior that very rarely changes, 818 01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:36,320 especially among certain cultures. Things like that, you know, human 819 01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:38,280 you know, just human needs, human action. 820 01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,519 Speaker 2: They don't they don't know what they're saying, is that 821 01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:43,559 some guys said that to them in high school? Who 822 01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:47,079 was their teacher? Or it's some cliche that they read 823 01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,840 in some Midwi book by somebody like venereial disease Hansen. 824 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:54,199 But well there's wars and stuff. You know, history repeats itself. 825 01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,239 Were the Roman Empire? You know, history repeats itself. 826 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:08,880 Speaker 1: M is it's I don't know, yeah, the Roman Empire 827 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:15,360 that is, uh that that wasn't that never even approached 828 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,840 the scale of which the American Empire is. Because the 829 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,199 American Empire is global. 830 01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:21,800 Speaker 2: A lot of people are doing is they're saying, I mean, 831 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,640 it's like, okay, if if you're if your inputs are 832 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,920 the most basic universal things, you know, like it's like 833 01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:35,239 it's like saying, okay, leon you know, Leonard da Vinci 834 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:39,119 wore pants and Tom Brady wears pants. So Tom Brady's 835 01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:43,279 a great artist, you know, I mean, you know if 836 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,119 the metric is, yeah, the Roman Empire was was powerful, 837 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:49,439 and it spanned a lot of territory, and it was 838 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,399 a hedgemon. And oh, America is a hedgemon and spans 839 01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,239 a lot of territory. Okay, but that's not what we're 840 01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:54,800 talking about. 841 01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:58,680 Speaker 1: All right, Thomas, let's uh, I'm looking forward to part two. 842 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,079 Tell everybody where they can find you right now. 843 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the best place is my website. It's Thomas seven 844 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,359 seven seven dot com. But that's number seven each on 845 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:16,359 mes seven seven seven for substick, substicks what I favor 846 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,039 and that's my podcast is and all kinds of other stuff. 847 01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:25,399 It's real Thomas seven seven seven at substick dot com. 848 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,560 Social media is fucking garbage, and I swear since I 849 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,560 set up this new account a few weeks ago, is 850 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,800 Zitter has gotten like exponentially fucking dummer like like, I 851 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:36,359 shit you not. 852 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,520 Speaker 1: It's like literal rea, no idea, no idea, you are 853 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:41,840 you are spot on. 854 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,680 Speaker 2: Like uh yeah, So I mean, I don't know how 855 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,560 much longer I'm gonna waste my time with that. I 856 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,560 only set up a new timeline because people I actually 857 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,960 like and care about you kept on asking me to. 858 01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:02,079 But it's at tom A Seer that's my government name. 859 01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:04,239 T h O M A s c y R seven 860 01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:09,359 seven seven. But I'm not just talking some ship. I 861 01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:12,359 I I may shut down that account because it's it's 862 01:10:12,399 --> 01:10:15,439 it's it's not really worth my time anymore. But yeah, 863 01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:16,359 that's really fine. 864 01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:19,760 Speaker 1: I notice you don't even you hardly ever look at 865 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,399 the comments people make to you either. 866 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, all. 867 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,119 Speaker 1: Right man, so's a couple days look forward to part two. 868 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:35,359 Speaker 2: Mm hm 869 01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:47,079 Speaker 1: H