WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.120 All right, what's up. Welcome everybody. We're live today special guest. 2 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:07.719 We haven't had Courtney on in a while, but she 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:11.480 is live from the Chicago Comic Con as one of 4 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:15.640 the biggest supporters of the Furry convention that's going on 5 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:19.719 up there, and she's a huge fan of Frodo and 6 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.199 Sam and Lego, Les and all of the hobbits that 7 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:29.000 are in the circles of Mensius Moldbug. Today, we're gonna 8 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:31.199 be talking about that's all being stupid. By the way, 9 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.679 we have an odd topic today, probably something you didn't expect. 10 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:38.200 It's gonna be technocracy. But Courtney has done a lot 11 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:43.799 of in depth research and information into subjects that probably 12 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:45.719 not a lot of people are that familiar with. We're 13 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:48.679 gonna be talking about the Dark Enlightenment. We're gonna be 14 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:52.000 talking about the circles of Peter Teel, their interest and 15 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:54.799 influence from the Lord of the Rings. We're gonna be 16 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.359 talking about the technocratic takeover. But before we get into 17 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:02.759 Courtney's recent research and her articles on substack, let's do 18 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.799 a little bit of a stepping back, because the audience 19 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:09.439 over here had grown quite a bit, and we may 20 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:11.719 have some people I was on a comedians podcast the 21 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.599 other day and I just sort of launched into this 22 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:17.000 and the first thing he said to me was like, whoa, wha, whoa, 23 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:20.200 what is technocracy? So we probably have some people that 24 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:24.079 don't even know what this is. So Courtney begin with 25 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:27.319 telling us, first of all, what is technocracy, the origins 26 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:28.599 of it, the overview of it. 27 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:33.599 So technocracy started in the nineteen thirties as a response 28 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:37.799 to the Great Depression. Actually this was their solution to 29 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:43.640 create abundance. And the very famous you know, Elon Musk, 30 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:46.480 his grandfather was Josh Hattleman, was actually the head of 31 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:50.840 Technocracy Inc. In Canada from nineteen thirty six to nineteen 32 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.959 forty nineteen forty one, right before it shut down. And they, 33 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.760 in their own words like in there, and I think 34 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.000 I might have that if it's not in this most 35 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.920 recent articles, in my last article, but I actually have 36 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.799 the screenshot from Technocrat magazine in nineteen thirty seven. They 37 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.879 say themselves that the definition of technocracy is social engineering. 38 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.840 So of course it is really you know, where you 39 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:20.280 have the scientific elite will control everything. And they had 40 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.199 this vision back then, but they didn't have the technology 41 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.319 that we have today. So I think back then the 42 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.879 ideas were scary enough. I think that that was it 43 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:32.879 was definitely enough to be concerned about back then. But 44 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.639 today it's very concerning because we have the technology, we 45 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.800 have AI, we have you know, all of this, that 46 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.120 we have the potential for a completely tokenized world, not 47 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:48.479 just economy, but really make everything tokenized. And to me, 48 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.599 that's their end game, and I think it's the most 49 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:55.879 most scary aspect of all of it. But yeah, so 50 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.719 that's the kind of cliff notes of it. They also 51 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.680 say themselves that the data of mining, the surveillance is 52 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.479 for the purposes of control, So just in case any 53 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.800 of you know, it's confused about that, that's their own 54 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:08.680 words all the way back in the nineteen thirties. And 55 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:13.000 the platform is very progressive, so they're aligned with things 56 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.879 like ubi's you know, they call the energy credits, and 57 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:18.560 you can find in their manual you'd have to go 58 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:20.800 to the wayback machine, but you can find the Technocracy 59 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:25.319 study guides and they talk about the energy certificates, which 60 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.599 are basically carbon credits today in the language of the UN. 61 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.439 So, yeah, now that's a great history. And you know, 62 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:34.439 as we know in this channel, we've gone into a 63 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:38.759 lot of the predecessors to modern technocratic movements. We've looked 64 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.240 at Jeremy Bentham and the idea of penopticism. We've looked 65 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:46.319 at the writings of H. G. Wells, Bertrand Russell, Lord Birkenhead. 66 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.960 I'm not going to spend too much time on all that, 67 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.439 because we've covered a lot of that over the years. 68 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:55.280 Of course, key texts would be things like Bertrand Russell's 69 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:57.840 Impact of Science on Society, and I'm just holding this 70 00:03:57.960 --> 00:03:59.599 up for the benefit of the audience who may not 71 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.599 bear with these texts. I know Courtney is familiar with them, 72 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.879 Scientific Outlook by Russell as well. And then really important 73 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.199 would be the writings of HD Wells that are not fiction, 74 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.520 because when you get into books like New World Order 75 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:17.839 or AHG. Wells's Open Conspiracy, we find out that technocracy 76 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:18.279 isn't a. 77 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:22.360 World brain world brain, because that's could they keep couching 78 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:24.800 everything in decentralization. We'll get into that, but the world 79 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.199 brain is actually even GAIND references. 80 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.360 It, so yeah, exactly. You know. Jaq got to Lee's 81 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.000 two thousand and six book Briefits for the Future, gets 82 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.920 really deep into what he thinks world brain will become 83 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:40.079 and what it'll do. So let's fast forward to now. 84 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.879 And now I've got Teale's book over here, zero to one. 85 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.600 He's got a whole chapter in there about the NSA 86 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.160 and how they were happy to you know, have Pallenteer, 87 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.839 and Pallenteer might have had a hand in helping to 88 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:55.240 find Osama bin Laden and all this, which I think 89 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.600 is a bunch of nonsense. But also in your new 90 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:02.560 piece here you talk about three things Game B. You 91 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:07.480 talk about the Dark Enlightenment, and you talk about the 92 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:13.360 Network States digital secession. So let's walk through what these 93 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.879 three things are because I think a lot of people 94 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.639 who maybe even know about this topic, they probably don't 95 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:19.600 know about Game B. 96 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.000 Sure, so I had to frame this as you know, 97 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.439 they tend to work through regardless of what you think 98 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:29.959 of the political spectrum, they tend to work through left 99 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.319 hand right hand paths, right and game right. So Game 100 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.600 B very much operates through, at least from my estimation, 101 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:41.600 the left hand path. The Divine Mother. They're concerned about, 102 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:47.360 you know, their their gaya worshiping yah, yeah, exactly. You know, 103 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.639 they're concerned about the sustainable development goals and the climate right, 104 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.839 Greta type stuff, Yes, exactly, So that's very much Game B. 105 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.480 And there a lot of the people in Game B 106 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.160 are disciples of Barbara Marks Hubbard, so you know there 107 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:07.800 who is an intellectual disciple of Tar day shirting concept 108 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:11.639 of the nosphere. In Game B, the term is collective intelligence, 109 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.959 so they don't use the term nosphere specifically, but it's 110 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.639 the same concept, same idea. And actually some of the 111 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.120 technologies they talk about and some of the they call 112 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:27.160 it DialogOS, which is basically like dialogues for consensus making. 113 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:29.279 They also have a term called sense making, which is 114 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:34.920 also dialogues for consensus making. But they talk about how 115 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.519 they do talk about terms like the nosphere inhabiting the 116 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:42.079 intellectual nosphere, so they are pretty overt about those sorts 117 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.519 of ideologies and how they're aligned with them. So that's 118 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:47.959 kind of Game B. And to give a little backstory 119 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.160 on Game B, since a lot of people might not 120 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.480 be as familiar with Game B, although it's not new 121 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.079 at all, Game B spawned out of the you know, 122 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.000 twenty tens era back. Actually, I've learned a little bit 123 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.000 more since I started researching all of this. I've seen 124 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.240 some of the you know conversations with Jordan Hall, who 125 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.360 is one of the founders of Game B, talking about 126 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.680 how he he called Eric Weinstein the Rabbi of Game B. 127 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:18.560 And they met at the Perimeter Institute when Eric Weinstein 128 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:21.120 was giving a speech. He was giving a speech a 129 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.680 post you know, two thousand and eight financial crisis, and 130 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:26.959 actually in that speech he talks about Plan A and 131 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.959 Plan B in terms of economics. So I think that 132 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:32.240 was kind of a little foreshadowing of what was to come. 133 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.480 But he insisted repeatedly that Jordan Hall meet with his 134 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:41.319 brother Brett Brett Weinstein, and the way Jordan explains that 135 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.759 they really didn't hit it off too much in the beginning. 136 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:49.639 And there was also simultaneously these Stanton meetings in Stanton, Virginia, 137 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.879 where Jim Rutt was hosting these Really they were centered 138 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.920 around creating a new political party called the Emancipation Party. 139 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.079 The Emancipation Party was very much in the vein of 140 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.240 like the Forward Party of Bernie Sanders movement. You know, 141 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.639 they wanted things like the UBI, universal basic healthcare, those 142 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:12.600 types of things, and so they met Jordan Hall and 143 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.439 Jim Rutt met at the Santa Fe Institute. Jim Rutt 144 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.480 had been recruited. He was chairman of the Santa Fe 145 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.560 Institute for a while, but he fell into that because 146 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:26.839 he was working on a software called the Evolutionary Software. 147 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.839 And that's part of how Brett Weinstein got brought in 148 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:33.879 because he's an evolutionary biologist and Jordan Hall was there, 149 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.559 and so they started doing this political movement. The way 150 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.399 Jim Rutt explains it is he says that he could 151 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:43.159 get the boomers on board. They were all in, you know, 152 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.759 they loved it. He said gen X, he could persuade them. 153 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.000 But he said the millennials loved the platform, but they 154 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.639 were such anarchists that the notion of a political party 155 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:55.679 was an anethema to them. And he said, well, you 156 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.080 really can't start a political movement without the millennials. So 157 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:01.919 he didn't think that there was much hope and it 158 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:03.840 wasn't going to take off the way that he had hoped. 159 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.320 And Thorn Mueller, who was part of these Stanton meetings, 160 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.360 had said keep the name game B for branding, and 161 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:14.279 so they did and they kind of split because the 162 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.360 way Jim Rut explains it is that he's, you know, 163 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:21.279 a hard scientist. You know, he's a complexity theorist. I 164 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.000 might think otherwise, but you know, we'll take his word. 165 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.600 He you know, he's very mechanistic and he's a complexity 166 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.480 system theorist, and that's hard science. And some of the 167 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.519 others were a little bit more woo. These are like 168 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:38.279 the Barber Marks Hubbard disciples, people like Mark Gaffney, Daniel 169 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.720 Schmocktenberger who are in this movement. And they've reconvened though 170 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.879 in like the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen they you know, 171 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.960 decided to move forward with trying to create Game B, 172 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:53.440 which they call a new operating system for civilization, and 173 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:58.240 so they proceeded. And I had this theory that the 174 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.519 Intellectual Dark Web was an influence operation for Game B 175 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:06.440 and I actually found an article in Manifest Nirvana from 176 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.799 Andrew Cohen and he pretty much says that he doesn't 177 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.759 use those words, those are my words. That's a little 178 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:12.639 heavy handed. I don't think you would say it was 179 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.440 an influence operation, but that's pretty much what he says. 180 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.720 He says that the Intellectual Dark Web he laid the 181 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:25.559 groundwork for the audience to acquiescence to the ideas of 182 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:30.120 Game B. It kind of seeded that ground. So that 183 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.000 is a game B and we can go into more 184 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.039 of the details on it. But then through the right 185 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:36.159 hand Path and a lot more people are familiar with 186 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:39.279 it because so many of them are influencing the and 187 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:44.559 surrounding the Trump administration currently we have the Dark Enlightenment. 188 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:47.120 And I thought it was so funny because it was 189 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.320 a couple of weeks ago CNN did this little short 190 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.200 clip about Curtis Jarvin. He said, there's this blogger. He's 191 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:57.879 been blogging for over a decade. I'm like almost two, 192 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:01.440 but who's counting? Apparently not them, so that he said, 193 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:03.480 but it's very concerning because he has a lot of 194 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.159 influence on the Trump administration, which is true, and the 195 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.559 Dark Enlightenment operates, when I say right hand path, more 196 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:16.000 of the patriarchal kind of autocratic, you know, very kind 197 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:21.080 of muscular type of energy, and they are very influential 198 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:24.240 in the current Trump administration, which is supposedly a right 199 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.360 hand path. Right he was under the Republican banner, and 200 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:30.919 they really want to create you know what they call. 201 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.720 Curtis Jarvin calls it the soft Corps. Nick Land, who 202 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.240 is kind of the advanced this concept of the dark Enlightenment, 203 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:42.679 also known as the neo reactionary movement. He was also 204 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:46.799 the regenitor of the Accelerationist movement and he calls it 205 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:51.960 gov Corp. But they're essentially very similar concepts, just operating 206 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.559 under different marketing banners. I would say, you know, the 207 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.519 game b is more of your soft power kind of 208 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.240 opt in tyranny, where you have the illusion of everything 209 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:08.240 being decentralized and you have complete voluntary you know, authority 210 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:12.639 and sovereignty, personal sovereignty and agency. But they are going 211 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:17.120 to create this collective intelligence and that it will be 212 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.720 recentralized that way and through the Dark Enlightenment. It's more 213 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.759 of a top down In fact, Curtisy Jarvin himself says 214 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.279 that the problem with America is it needs the government 215 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.120 needs a reboot, and that we need to get over 216 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.399 our fear of the dictator and it should operate like 217 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.879 a CEO running a company that he is the dictator. 218 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.360 And so that's kind of his concept, the idea of 219 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:44.200 retire all government employees, he calls it. Rage was very 220 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:48.960 influential on this doge operation of out. 221 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.879 Have you seen the movie that The Watchmen, based on 222 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.879 the Alan Moore famous graphic novel, I don't think I 223 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.120 have no Yeah, in that story, Moore, who with himself 224 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.840 was kind of a committed Croleyan, he has this character 225 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:08.600 named Ozamandias, who is this tech sort of well, he's 226 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:12.320 like a business ceo, mogul magnate, and his idea is 227 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.200 kind of like it's time to just kind of take 228 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:19.840 over and let you know, ceo tech philosopher kings run everything. 229 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.360 And it kind of gets into this idea of like 230 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:25.799 it's not explicitly technocracy, but it's kind of like a 231 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:27.519 it's sort of like that, and it's kind of a 232 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.360 The idea is that he needs to massively depopulate, you know, 233 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.840 the planet, like half of the planet needs to go 234 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.159 away so that we can have a time of peace. 235 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:41.320 And so it just this vision reminds me of what 236 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.120 Alan Moore is kind of getting at. And I think 237 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.639 the key point here that a lot of people I 238 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.200 want to be very clear about being nuanced, because you know, 239 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.320 my audience is going to take issue with some of 240 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.320 the things that that you're going to argue, which is fine, 241 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.960 not a big deal. I think that, for example, I 242 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.240 want to get into the Christian nationalism part because I 243 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.720 want to be really precise, I believe that the ideal 244 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:11.440 government should be in a Christian majority society, laws that 245 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.480 reflect the belief system of the majority Christian people. That's 246 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:17.960 my position. That does not mean that I think that 247 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:21.000 we need to sort of subvert take over the country, 248 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.080 change everything, reboot everything into some kind of like Byzantine 249 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:28.759 theocratic model. I don't think any of that's realistic. I 250 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.360 also believe that a lot of the movements that would 251 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:36.399 come forward as Christian nationalists, Protestants and these kinds of people, 252 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.360 I would never trust those movements. I would assume that 253 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.080 those movements are from the outset, probably co opted or 254 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.759 funded or created. So, because most movements, you know, don't. 255 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.960 They don't come out of nowhere. Movements generally have funding, 256 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.360 and if they are generally organic, typically they can easily 257 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:56.919 be bought and taken over. So being very precise, I 258 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:00.279 do believe in the form of government of a kind 259 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.879 of Christian monarchy where there's limitations on the state. I 260 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:10.000 do not believe that today's Christian nationalist movements represents some 261 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:14.240 authentic vision of something that I would support, although I'm 262 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.279 sure there's many people that are sincere in that. I 263 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.639 just know from my Protestant background that a lot of 264 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:21.879 the goofballs that I was involved in as a young 265 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.440 Protestant who believed in this sort of Christian nationalist stuff 266 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.960 are just clowns or Feds or worse. So being very precise, 267 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:33.279 then where we come in here with Courtney's point, which 268 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.080 I think we would a lot of people ascidis will 269 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.240 probably agree with, even if they take issue with some 270 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:43.759 of the pro Enlightenment stances of the article. The puppet 271 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.960 master type tech people they know these movements and these ideas, 272 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:51.639 and what they want to do is seize upon the 273 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.320 trends and where the winds are blowing to steer that 274 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:59.240 into something which in the case of say, you know, 275 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:03.279 Curtis Jarvin, seems to be just another kind of atheist, 276 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:08.759 nihilist Nietzschean techro control grid as well. I mean, is 277 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.879 that kind of what we're getting you're getting from your research? 278 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.519 Yeah, And it gets way worse when you add Nick Land, 279 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:20.039 because Nick Land is pretty much a straight up occultist. 280 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:24.960 He was a one of the forerunners of the CCRU, 281 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.639 which is the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit at Warwick University. 282 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:32.519 And there's I have some links actually that are really 283 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.600 hard to find. I did quite a bit of digging 284 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.399 in the way back, and one of them is like 285 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:44.120 Xenosystems dot demon dot UK. And he's got all sorts 286 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:49.320 of ideas about you know, essentially demon type using fictionalized 287 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:54.399 kind of labels, but very much demonology in order to 288 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:59.200 influence the direction of the future. And he's very influenced 289 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:04.519 by people like love Craft and Evola, Julius Evola, and 290 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.720 he had this whole idea of technoplastic beings. He has 291 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.680 this idea of you know, accelerationism just for people who 292 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.559 are not familiar. Is essentially this theory that he thinks 293 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.519 capitalism is doomed, it's going to fail. He's not a 294 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.400 proponent of it, but he thinks that we should use 295 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.799 it in order to push it to its nth degree 296 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.640 so it can reach it to apocalyptic state much faster, 297 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:30.000 and that we should use technology to do that. And 298 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.559 so that's what his whole thesis is around. 299 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.440 It's that we're quick question here. Now. We've done some 300 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.440 interviews with BX on Twitter. I don't know if you're 301 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.839 familiar with her, but she's come on Info Wars with 302 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:43.559 me a few times, I think, and she's been on 303 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:50.359 with Harrison Smith too, and she talks about accelerationism having 304 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.680 a lot of overlaps with these sort of online satanic cults. 305 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.079 Do you think that's also kind of going around here 306 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.240 going on here as well? Is there a sort of 307 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.039 I mean, I get the impression from I don't know 308 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.160 Nick Land's philosophy that well. I did hear him on 309 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:09.039 a couple podcasts of some friends of ours, and I 310 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:10.319 don't think they were I think they were just talking 311 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.680 about Nietzsche. They weren't really going into accelerationism. But it 312 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.319 seems like the idea is pretty wicked, like, oh, let's 313 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.400 collapse everything quicker so that we can have the new 314 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.559 thing come in. But the thing about that is like 315 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:23.759 what they want to bring in is probably going to 316 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.480 be worse than the worst parts of what we have now. 317 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.720 It's way worse. And I mean, Nick Land brings through 318 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:35.119 this really dark fantasy. He brings to fruition, the vision 319 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.440 of what would be this transhuman leading to a post 320 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:43.599 human world. His concept of technoplastic beings is basically you 321 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:47.839 know this like synthetic biology, man merging with machines kind 322 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:53.279 of a vision. So it's just transhumanism it's transhumanism, and 323 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:57.839 he lays the groundwork through, you know, a more mechanistic 324 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:02.880 type of philosophy. Actually, he has a term the mechanistic desire, 325 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.480 which you know, he talks about the future of humanity 326 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:09.480 is going to be reshaped by and eclipsed by technology, 327 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:13.000 so essentially the singularity, right, that's a that's his whole vision. 328 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:18.279 But he's he's really really dark. So yeah, I would say, 329 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.880 you know, Curtis Jarvin comes from his parents were you know, communists. 330 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:29.359 He's more of a nihilistic kind of yeah, atheistic, that's 331 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.240 more of his framework, and he looks at things very 332 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.640 it's bizarre, but it's also very it's linear in a way, 333 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.759 you know, like you just have a CEO. He's a dictator, 334 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:42.680 he runs everything, and you know, this is just kind 335 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.079 of black and white type of operating in a vacuum 336 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.000 type of philosophy and theories. Whereas Nick land Is, I mean, 337 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:54.839 he's pretty dark. The c CRU his his partner, was 338 00:19:54.839 --> 00:20:01.200 founded by Sadie Plant, who's like a cyberpunk feminist. So yeah, 339 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:02.000 I have a. 340 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.519 Lot of such But maybe then again, maybe it's not 341 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:06.160 an odd pairent. 342 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.880 You know, I don't think it is because of the concepts, 343 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:15.200 you know, like the concepts of hyperstition, or we're going 344 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.279 to use hyperstition. It's like where we're going to use 345 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:22.200 fictionalized ideals in order to create reality. So everything is 346 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:24.799 kind of it's just not rooted in reality. And that's 347 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.559 a common theme I find with all of these things, 348 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.799 like all of the concepts that I've laid out, particularly 349 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:34.000 in this article, is it's not rooted in reality. It's 350 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.519 it's what I call spiral meta physics as opposed to 351 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:40.480 a plumb line. It's not anchored in anything. And I 352 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.039 think that that's so important because the whole goal of 353 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.960 these technocrats and now they're merging it with religion. And 354 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.680 I'll touch on that, you know, to address what you 355 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.599 pointed out with the Christian nationalism, and I agree with you. 356 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.680 I don't think they're authentic. I think it's ve near. 357 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:56.799 It's a facade. They're using it because you know, that 358 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.599 concept of the three legged stool. They need the religious 359 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:04.000 component in order to especially since they're operating currently in 360 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.079 the right hand path, which tends to be comprised of 361 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:09.039 more religious orientation. 362 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:14.160 One question when you use the term dark enlightenment early 363 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:19.079 on are you referring to when the New York Times 364 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:21.079 put out that article a while back, when it was 365 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:24.640 like Peterson and Sam Harris, and I forget who was 366 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.400 sitting around this big table or using this? Is this 367 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.440 more specifically like tech bros. 368 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.160 No, they were probably I don't know what reference you're using, 369 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:36.839 but they were probably talking about the dark and Lightment. 370 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:40.079 I mean, the dark and Lightenment comes from Curtis Yarvin. 371 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.039 It was called the neo reactionary movement. They called it 372 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.920 n r X, so it's a neo reactionary. 373 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:49.480 This I do know about. But I just think when 374 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.240 I hear dark Enlightenment, I think of that. It was 375 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.359 a famous New York Times piece and they had a 376 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:01.519 picture of a dinner meeting with Joe Rogan. I think 377 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.440 Joe Rogan was there, and it was like Peterson and 378 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:09.079 Sam Harris. Let me see if I can find it. 379 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.039 And maybe maybe Curtis Jarvian was even there. I don't remember. 380 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.359 Let me see who was at this New York Times. Oh, 381 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:17.799 excuse me, excuse me, I'm mixing this up with the 382 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:20.880 intellectual dark Web. I'm sorry, I'm mixing up my terms. 383 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.319 Never mind, that was a nineteen but actually some of 384 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:26.240 these people overlap, right, Like, isn't. 385 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.640 There some intellectual dark web was an influenced operation for 386 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:36.000 game B and there is? Yeah, so my mistake carry No, 387 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:40.160 that's a I would say dark Maga has a lot 388 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:42.960 of ties. I think that they're parkening to the dark 389 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:43.400 and lightement. 390 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.839 Is that that was? That was Teal? Right? 391 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:48.119 That was Elon Musk. 392 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:53.880 Yeah. Yeah, I'm totally forgetting Elon's part. Like I'm thinking 393 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:55.880 of I'm looking at your article and I got Peter 394 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.279 Teal and you know, I'm thinking about Jarvin and then 395 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:02.119 like I'm telling forgetting Elon Elon. 396 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.079 Yeah, so I I in this article, I talk about 397 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.079 Peter Chilo as being kind of like the grand Master Architect. Now, 398 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:11.039 I certainly don't think that he's like I think there 399 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:13.720 are puppet strings above him. Uh, you know, he's only 400 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:17.079 a billionaire. Like that's a lot to me. But like, 401 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.759