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Speaker 1: All right, what's up. Welcome everybody. We're live today special guest.

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We haven't had Courtney on in a while, but she

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is live from the Chicago Comic Con as one of

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the biggest supporters of the Furry convention that's going on

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up there, and she's a huge fan of Frodo and

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Sam and Lego, Les and all of the hobbits that

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are in the circles of Mensius Moldbug. Today, we're gonna

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be talking about that's all being stupid. By the way,

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we have an odd topic today, probably something you didn't expect.

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It's gonna be technocracy. But Courtney has done a lot

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of in depth research and information into subjects that probably

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not a lot of people are that familiar with. We're

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gonna be talking about the Dark Enlightenment. We're gonna be

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talking about the circles of Peter Teel, their interest and

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influence from the Lord of the Rings. We're gonna be

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talking about the technocratic takeover. But before we get into

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Courtney's recent research and her articles on substack, let's do

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a little bit of a stepping back, because the audience

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over here had grown quite a bit, and we may

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have some people I was on a comedians podcast the

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other day and I just sort of launched into this

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and the first thing he said to me was like, whoa, wha, whoa,

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what is technocracy? So we probably have some people that

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don't even know what this is. So Courtney begin with

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telling us, first of all, what is technocracy, the origins

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of it, the overview of it.

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Speaker 2: So technocracy started in the nineteen thirties as a response

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to the Great Depression. Actually this was their solution to

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create abundance. And the very famous you know, Elon Musk,

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his grandfather was Josh Hattleman, was actually the head of

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Technocracy Inc. In Canada from nineteen thirty six to nineteen

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forty nineteen forty one, right before it shut down. And they,

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in their own words like in there, and I think

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I might have that if it's not in this most

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recent articles, in my last article, but I actually have

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the screenshot from Technocrat magazine in nineteen thirty seven. They

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say themselves that the definition of technocracy is social engineering.

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So of course it is really you know, where you

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have the scientific elite will control everything. And they had

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this vision back then, but they didn't have the technology

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that we have today. So I think back then the

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ideas were scary enough. I think that that was it

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was definitely enough to be concerned about back then. But

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today it's very concerning because we have the technology, we

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have AI, we have you know, all of this, that

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we have the potential for a completely tokenized world, not

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just economy, but really make everything tokenized. And to me,

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that's their end game, and I think it's the most

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most scary aspect of all of it. But yeah, so

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that's the kind of cliff notes of it. They also

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say themselves that the data of mining, the surveillance is

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for the purposes of control, So just in case any

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of you know, it's confused about that, that's their own

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words all the way back in the nineteen thirties. And

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the platform is very progressive, so they're aligned with things

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like ubi's you know, they call the energy credits, and

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you can find in their manual you'd have to go

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to the wayback machine, but you can find the Technocracy

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study guides and they talk about the energy certificates, which

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are basically carbon credits today in the language of the UN.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, now that's a great history. And you know,

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as we know in this channel, we've gone into a

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lot of the predecessors to modern technocratic movements. We've looked

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at Jeremy Bentham and the idea of penopticism. We've looked

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at the writings of H. G. Wells, Bertrand Russell, Lord Birkenhead.

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I'm not going to spend too much time on all that,

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because we've covered a lot of that over the years.

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Of course, key texts would be things like Bertrand Russell's

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Impact of Science on Society, and I'm just holding this

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up for the benefit of the audience who may not

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bear with these texts. I know Courtney is familiar with them,

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Scientific Outlook by Russell as well. And then really important

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would be the writings of HD Wells that are not fiction,

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because when you get into books like New World Order

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or AHG. Wells's Open Conspiracy, we find out that technocracy

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Speaker 2: World brain world brain, because that's could they keep couching

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everything in decentralization. We'll get into that, but the world

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brain is actually even GAIND references.

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Speaker 1: It, so yeah, exactly. You know. Jaq got to Lee's

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two thousand and six book Briefits for the Future, gets

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really deep into what he thinks world brain will become

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and what it'll do. So let's fast forward to now.

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And now I've got Teale's book over here, zero to one.

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and how they were happy to you know, have Pallenteer,

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find Osama bin Laden and all this, which I think

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is a bunch of nonsense. But also in your new

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piece here you talk about three things Game B. You

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talk about the Dark Enlightenment, and you talk about the

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Network States digital secession. So let's walk through what these

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three things are because I think a lot of people

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who maybe even know about this topic, they probably don't

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know about Game B.

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Speaker 2: Sure, so I had to frame this as you know,

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they tend to work through regardless of what you think

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of the political spectrum, they tend to work through left

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hand right hand paths, right and game right. So Game

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the left hand path. The Divine Mother. They're concerned about,

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you know, their their gaya worshiping yah, yeah, exactly. You know,

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they're concerned about the sustainable development goals and the climate right,

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Greta type stuff, Yes, exactly, So that's very much Game B.

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And there a lot of the people in Game B

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are disciples of Barbara Marks Hubbard, so you know there

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who is an intellectual disciple of Tar day shirting concept

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of the nosphere. In Game B, the term is collective intelligence,

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so they don't use the term nosphere specifically, but it's

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the same concept, same idea. And actually some of the

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technologies they talk about and some of the they call

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it DialogOS, which is basically like dialogues for consensus making.

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also dialogues for consensus making. But they talk about how

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they do talk about terms like the nosphere inhabiting the

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intellectual nosphere, so they are pretty overt about those sorts

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of ideologies and how they're aligned with them. So that's

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kind of Game B. And to give a little backstory

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on Game B, since a lot of people might not

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be as familiar with Game B, although it's not new

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at all, Game B spawned out of the you know,

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twenty tens era back. Actually, I've learned a little bit

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more since I started researching all of this. I've seen

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some of the you know conversations with Jordan Hall, who

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is one of the founders of Game B, talking about

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how he he called Eric Weinstein the Rabbi of Game B.

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was giving a speech. He was giving a speech a

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post you know, two thousand and eight financial crisis, and

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actually in that speech he talks about Plan A and

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Plan B in terms of economics. So I think that

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was kind of a little foreshadowing of what was to come.

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brother Brett Brett Weinstein, and the way Jordan explains that

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they really didn't hit it off too much in the beginning.

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where Jim Rutt was hosting these Really they were centered

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around creating a new political party called the Emancipation Party.

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like the Forward Party of Bernie Sanders movement. You know,

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they wanted things like the UBI, universal basic healthcare, those

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types of things, and so they met Jordan Hall and

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because he's an evolutionary biologist and Jordan Hall was there,

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and so they started doing this political movement. The way

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get the boomers on board. They were all in, you know,

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they loved it. He said gen X, he could persuade them.

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were such anarchists that the notion of a political party

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was an anethema to them. And he said, well, you

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really can't start a political movement without the millennials. So

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he didn't think that there was much hope and it

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wasn't going to take off the way that he had hoped.

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had said keep the name game B for branding, and

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so they did and they kind of split because the

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way Jim Rut explains it is that he's, you know,

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a hard scientist. You know, he's a complexity theorist. I

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might think otherwise, but you know, we'll take his word.

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system theorist, and that's hard science. And some of the

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others were a little bit more woo. These are like

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the Barber Marks Hubbard disciples, people like Mark Gaffney, Daniel

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Schmocktenberger who are in this movement. And they've reconvened though

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in like the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen they you know,

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decided to move forward with trying to create Game B,

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which they call a new operating system for civilization, and

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so they proceeded. And I had this theory that the

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Intellectual Dark Web was an influence operation for Game B

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Andrew Cohen and he pretty much says that he doesn't

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heavy handed. I don't think you would say it was

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an influence operation, but that's pretty much what he says.

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of the details on it. But then through the right

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it because so many of them are influencing the and

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clip about Curtis Jarvin. He said, there's this blogger. He's

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been blogging for over a decade. I'm like almost two,

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but who's counting? Apparently not them, so that he said,

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but it's very concerning because he has a lot of

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influence on the Trump administration, which is true, and the

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of the patriarchal kind of autocratic, you know, very kind

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of muscular type of energy, and they are very influential

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also known as the neo reactionary movement. He was also

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gov Corp. But they're essentially very similar concepts, just operating

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under different marketing banners. I would say, you know, the

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game b is more of your soft power kind of

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opt in tyranny, where you have the illusion of everything

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being decentralized and you have complete voluntary you know, authority

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and sovereignty, personal sovereignty and agency. But they are going

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to create this collective intelligence and that it will be

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recentralized that way and through the Dark Enlightenment. It's more

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of a top down In fact, Curtisy Jarvin himself says

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that the problem with America is it needs the government

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needs a reboot, and that we need to get over

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our fear of the dictator and it should operate like

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a CEO running a company that he is the dictator.

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retire all government employees, he calls it. Rage was very

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influential on this doge operation of out.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the movie that The Watchmen, based on

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the Alan Moore famous graphic novel, I don't think I

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have no Yeah, in that story, Moore, who with himself

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named Ozamandias, who is this tech sort of well, he's

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like a business ceo, mogul magnate, and his idea is

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not a big deal. I think that, for example, I

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want to be really precise, I believe that the ideal

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government should be in a Christian majority society, laws that

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reflect the belief system of the majority Christian people. That's

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my position. That does not mean that I think that

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we need to sort of subvert take over the country,

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change everything, reboot everything into some kind of like Byzantine

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theocratic model. I don't think any of that's realistic. I

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of Christian monarchy where there's limitations on the state. I

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authentic vision of something that I would support, although I'm

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are just clowns or Feds or worse. So being very precise,

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of the pro Enlightenment stances of the article. The puppet

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and what they want to do is seize upon the

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trends and where the winds are blowing to steer that

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into something which in the case of say, you know,

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nihilist Nietzschean techro control grid as well. I mean, is

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that kind of what we're getting you're getting from your research?

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because Nick Land is pretty much a straight up occultist.

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of ideas about you know, essentially demon type using fictionalized

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kind of labels, but very much demonology in order to

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influence the direction of the future. And he's very influenced

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by people like love Craft and Evola, Julius Evola, and

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he had this whole idea of technoplastic beings. He has

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this idea of you know, accelerationism just for people who

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are not familiar. Is essentially this theory that he thinks

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capitalism is doomed, it's going to fail. He's not a

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proponent of it, but he thinks that we should use

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it in order to push it to its nth degree

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and that we should use technology to do that. And

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Speaker 1: It's that we're quick question here. Now. We've done some

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familiar with her, but she's come on Info Wars with

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me a few times, I think, and she's been on

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with Harrison Smith too, and she talks about accelerationism having

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a lot of overlaps with these sort of online satanic cults.

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Do you think that's also kind of going around here

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going on here as well? Is there a sort of

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Nick Land's philosophy that well. I did hear him on

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a couple podcasts of some friends of ours, and I

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don't think they were I think they were just talking

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about Nietzsche. They weren't really going into accelerationism. But it

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seems like the idea is pretty wicked, like, oh, let's

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collapse everything quicker so that we can have the new

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thing come in. But the thing about that is like

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what they want to bring in is probably going to

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be worse than the worst parts of what we have now.

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Speaker 2: It's way worse. And I mean, Nick Land brings through

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this really dark fantasy. He brings to fruition, the vision

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of what would be this transhuman leading to a post

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human world. His concept of technoplastic beings is basically you

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know this like synthetic biology, man merging with machines kind

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of a vision. So it's just transhumanism it's transhumanism, and

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he lays the groundwork through, you know, a more mechanistic

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type of philosophy. Actually, he has a term the mechanistic desire,

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which you know, he talks about the future of humanity

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is going to be reshaped by and eclipsed by technology,

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so essentially the singularity, right, that's a that's his whole vision.

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But he's he's really really dark. So yeah, I would say,

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you know, Curtis Jarvin comes from his parents were you know, communists.

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more of his framework, and he looks at things very

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it's bizarre, but it's also very it's linear in a way,

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you know, like you just have a CEO. He's a dictator,

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he runs everything, and you know, this is just kind

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of black and white type of operating in a vacuum

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type of philosophy and theories. Whereas Nick land Is, I mean,

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he's pretty dark. The c CRU his his partner, was

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founded by Sadie Plant, who's like a cyberpunk feminist. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Lot of such But maybe then again, maybe it's not

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an odd pairent.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it is because of the concepts,

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you know, like the concepts of hyperstition, or we're going

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to use hyperstition. It's like where we're going to use

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fictionalized ideals in order to create reality. So everything is

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kind of it's just not rooted in reality. And that's

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a common theme I find with all of these things,

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like all of the concepts that I've laid out, particularly

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in this article, is it's not rooted in reality. It's

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it's what I call spiral meta physics as opposed to

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a plumb line. It's not anchored in anything. And I

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think that that's so important because the whole goal of

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these technocrats and now they're merging it with religion. And

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I'll touch on that, you know, to address what you

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pointed out with the Christian nationalism, and I agree with you.

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I don't think they're authentic. I think it's ve near.

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concept of the three legged stool. They need the religious

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component in order to especially since they're operating currently in

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the right hand path, which tends to be comprised of

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Speaker 1: One question when you use the term dark enlightenment early

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on are you referring to when the New York Times

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put out that article a while back, when it was

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like Peterson and Sam Harris, and I forget who was

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sitting around this big table or using this? Is this

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more specifically like tech bros.

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Speaker 2: No, they were probably I don't know what reference you're using,

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but they were probably talking about the dark and Lightment.

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I mean, the dark and Lightenment comes from Curtis Yarvin.

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It was called the neo reactionary movement. They called it

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n r X, so it's a neo reactionary.

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Speaker 1: This I do know about. But I just think when

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I hear dark Enlightenment, I think of that. It was

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a famous New York Times piece and they had a

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picture of a dinner meeting with Joe Rogan. I think

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Joe Rogan was there, and it was like Peterson and

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Sam Harris. Let me see if I can find it.

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And maybe maybe Curtis Jarvian was even there. I don't remember.

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Let me see who was at this New York Times. Oh,

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excuse me, excuse me, I'm mixing this up with the

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intellectual dark Web. I'm sorry, I'm mixing up my terms.

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Never mind, that was a nineteen but actually some of

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these people overlap, right, Like, isn't.

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Speaker 2: There some intellectual dark web was an influenced operation for

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game B and there is? Yeah, so my mistake carry No,

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that's a I would say dark Maga has a lot

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of ties. I think that they're parkening to the dark

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and lightement.

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Speaker 1: Is that that was? That was Teal? Right?

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Speaker 2: That was Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm totally forgetting Elon's part. Like I'm thinking

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of I'm looking at your article and I got Peter

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Teal and you know, I'm thinking about Jarvin and then

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like I'm telling forgetting Elon Elon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I in this article, I talk about

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Peter Chilo as being kind of like the grand Master Architect. Now,

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I certainly don't think that he's like I think there

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are puppet strings above him. Uh, you know, he's only

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a billionaire. Like that's a lot to me. But like,

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you know, I don't think he's running the world. But

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he's what we can see, you know, I can speculate

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about the strings that are being pulled above him. I

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know he has some like over state ties. There's obviously

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his whole military industrial complex affiliations, and I think there's

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some habsort access there, but you know, for what we

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can actually see, I was focused more on the tangible.

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That's also what we have some agency over, right, you know,

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I can we can only you know, speculate otherwise. So

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uh but yeah, so I talk about him as kind

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of and he's also the overlapping between the two groups.

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So when I was saying that they're not rooted in reality,

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there's not you know, like a it's not a plum

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line where they're anchored to anything real. I think it's

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so important because what essentially they want to do, in

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my opinion, is they want a technological imminititization of the escaton.

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that you know, they're whether they you know, don't think

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they're going to heaven, or they don't know what happens,

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or they're just complete nihilists. I don't know what their

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worldview is. I can speculate, but I'm not in their heads.

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But I think that they want to bring create heaven

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on Earth, and so they have to make a simulacra

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and that's what this whole transhuman agenda is all about.

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And in order to do that, you have to disort

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people's perceptions of reality. You have to have a constructivist

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worldview in order for that to functionally operate. And I

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think that's why these philosophies are so incredibly important for

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their agenda.

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Speaker 1: They're all they're all rooted in some form of relativism

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where you kind of create your reality. And when you

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talk about the sort of hyperstition and the influence of

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these different I mean, are you quite literally saying like

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they're literally taking Lovecraft and Tolkien and like saying, let's

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use that as a way to actually create this reality.

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Like like they're basically sci fi dorks that are saying

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we're gonna set up like a sci fi future and

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we run the ship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And like one of his terms is shug up.

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Speaker 1: From Lovecraft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's like a huge term for Nick Lambs,

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So yeah, I know he's literally I mean almost all

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of Peter Thiel's companies are named after like right, volar

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and yeah, volunteer.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got what's the one that the lucky

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guy runs underill, which is the sword that that's.

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Speaker 2: Has invested in. Oh interesting, Yeah, Epstein invested seventy million,

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and I think it's now like one hundred and forty

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or maybe yeah, maybe it was forty million, it's now

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one hundred and seventy million, something like that. Yeah, so

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they were partners on that, but yeah, so there. So

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I kind of see those two as like the Hegelian poles.

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But the synthesis is the network states and the network

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states are kind of the umbrella because all of them

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operate under network states, even if they don't call them

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network states. So in Game B, they have a term

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called Scivium, the Syvium Project, and I had done one

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of my sub stacks. I outline that it was the

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path to mass surveillance, and I talk about all the

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different fifteen minute cities, the smart cities, the c forty

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cities for the uns AI World Society, right, and then

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they have But the way the analogy that I use

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is it's kind of like if you had a buffet

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of ice cream, but it's not made with any of

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the real stuff, Like it's all chemicals that are not

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so great for you. But they're going to give you

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all different flavors to choose from. So if you like strawberry,

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if you like you know, chocolate, vanilla, blueberry, whatever it is,

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you can pick your poison and it'll be in a nice,

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pretty rapper for you. And that's kind of what they do.

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So a lot of people are not on board with

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the fifteen Minute Cities, so don't worry. The Trump supporters

473
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can get the Freedom Cities.

474
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Speaker 1: Well, this reminds me of did you. I'm sure Crypto

475
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:16,400
ties into this too, because I remember there was a

476
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,640
while there where Metallic from Ethereum was pushing the idea

477
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:23,240
of freedom city, so I think that was his term too.

478
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,119
I don't know if he's referring to the same thing

479
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,279
that Trump was talking about, but it was freedom cities,

480
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:30,400
where you're going to have essentially the whole city, a

481
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,319
smart city built on and around Ethereum. I mean, I

482
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,200
don't know that that will ever actually come to fruition,

483
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,640
But did you encounter anything like that where Crypto ties

484
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,039
into it?

485
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: Yes, hugely, So it ties in across the board with

486
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,319
Peter Scheel, He's got his prospera right. This is the

487
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,880
Bitcoin Cities in Vatan, Honduras. And there's a really interesting documentary.

488
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,599
I forgot the exact name of it, but it's something

489
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,599
like the Illegal Billionaires.

490
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll watched a documentary on this it's like a

491
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,079
little bitty tiny place that doesn't even have any hardly

492
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,039
anybody living there yet.

493
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,799
Speaker 2: Well they yeah, I mean it's not super populated. But

494
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,279
there's a lot of controversy because.

495
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with this now, I know what you're talking about.

496
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: And they there's like this one. They're doing a lot

497
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,200
of kind of transhuman experiments there because they don't they're

498
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,079
not subject to any you know, laws that they make

499
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,440
their own laws, and they can do all this quote

500
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,039
unquote life extension under the banner of life extension, they

501
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,119
can do all this experimentation. They had one where in

502
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,880
this documentary they showed that there, uh, they use like

503
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,720
a VR headset and it creates basically like a psychedelic

504
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:44,839
trip yeah through yeah, through these headsets. So yeah, so

505
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,279
and the subsidiary of Prospera it was called they Oh,

506
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:50,759
this is another thing. They always rebrand They're always changing

507
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:54,119
their names, their personal names, their names of their companies.

508
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,000
We saw this with Neurohacker. Is now quality of Life.

509
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,440
That's a game b affiliated kind of operation under the

510
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,519
guise of like you know, basically life extension and wellness.

511
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:12,440
But then we've got Prosperous subsidiary was Vitalia, and if

512
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,160
you go to the way back you can still find it.

513
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440
And it says come to you know, a city where

514
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,640
you can make death optional. And now it's called Infinita.

515
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,279
And these are all yeah, it's bigcoin cities. There's Bitcoin Nation.

516
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,240
This the whole concept of all of these network states

517
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,079
is that everything will be run based on whatever your

518
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,160
flavor of cryptocurrency would be.

519
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I noticed too, like when you go to Prospera,

520
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:42,079
now there's links to like here's a guy's discussion where

521
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,319
he says, I went to Prospera to edit my DNA

522
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,079
so that I could live for forever. It's like, come on, dude,

523
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,920
that's so ridiculous. I mean, yeah, it's like they're they're

524
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,279
going to and we've been talking about this for a

525
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:55,960
long time. I know you have too, Like the idea

526
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,559
of these smart cities, which were planned a long long

527
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:02,559
time ago. It's almost like they're going to have like, oh,

528
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:08,039
this will be where the CEOs and the entrepreneurs come

529
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,720
to live in their freedom city. But to me, I

530
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,799
would never trust this, not because I doubt bitcoin. I'm

531
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,160
a big believer in bitcoin, but this is just some

532
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,400
guy's idea of getting a bunch of influencers and entrepreneurs

533
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,640
onto some transhumanist island. It's like, you know, the plane,

534
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,200
the plane, the plane, you know, fantasy Island, but it's

535
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,039
like fantasy island with it's like Peter Thiel's Fantasy Island

536
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,720
or something which sounds like a horror movie, you know

537
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:36,119
what I mean.

538
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds very dystopian to me. The other thing

539
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:44,160
that people need to recognize is that they couch this

540
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,599
all in very I have issues philosophically with libertarianism, but

541
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,000
they I don't even think that they are authentically libertarian,

542
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:52,599
even if well, a.

543
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:54,519
Speaker 1: Lot of these people, yeah, they're not really.

544
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Even holding to that even what libertarian claims to be.

545
00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,599
They're not so, but they're using that banners. They use

546
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:05,079
the terms like decentralized and like uh so when they're

547
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:08,880
talking about these concepts, I think, you know, they keep

548
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,119
using terms that would appeal to more libertarian minded people,

549
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:14,720
and I think it's because they're trying to capture the

550
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,279
people who weren't captured through either left or the right.

551
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,160
Right now, they're going to put the libertarian kind of manner.

552
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh, this is how Silicon Valley was built up, was

553
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,559
the whole ethos was libertarian, but it was actually essentially

554
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,240
a militre industrial complex thing.

555
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: Exactly with overlapping with things like burning Man and the

556
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:38,960
whole theosophical drugs. Right. So, but they use terms like voluntary, right,

557
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:40,839
So that's very appealing to somebody who might be a

558
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,160
quote unquote voluntariost. But what they don't recognize is, and

559
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,920
they never mentioned this, is once a smart contract is

560
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,920
in place, I don't know, good luck, buddy, Like I

561
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,119
don't know how you're exiting that one. Like you don't

562
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,839
negotiate with a smart contract. You can try and negotiate

563
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,039
with people, and that doesn't always go as well as

564
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,720
you might hope. But shoot, with a smart contract, especially

565
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:04,359
one that's recursive, right, once it's been put in place

566
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,279
and it's recursively implemented, then it's just going to be

567
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:13,000
exponential as to whatever code has been inputed. So I

568
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,079
find that really concerning, and I think a lot of

569
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,960
people have this idea. It's a very Pollyanna kind of

570
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,839
notion that oh, well, you know, if I I go

571
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,000
into this network state and it's my my carnivore network state,

572
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:26,839
or I decide now I like I want to be

573
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:28,440
a vegan, I'm going to go into this one. I

574
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960
don't think it's going to be quite that fluid, and

575
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,720
I don't think that it There's also the I think

576
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,640
the mistake that people make thinking that somehow you're going

577
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,279
to have more freedom just because it's a you know,

578
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,039
smaller community. But do you think that you violate the

579
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,880
roles of this uh, you know community, this network state

580
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,880
that that's going to go well for you? You think

581
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,240
they don't have like stasy networks.

582
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,359
Speaker 1: Offering well I was going to say, I mean, how

583
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:56,079
do we know this isn't just some you know call

584
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,039
that's running it. And then the private security on the

585
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,920
island basically the answers to the oligarch that runs the island.

586
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,839
So it's like, I mean, what's under the guise of

587
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,839
libertarian freedom is literally going to be like a you know,

588
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,559
technocratic dictator island. Is really is what this sounds like

589
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,200
it turning into. And I don't I'm not saying that

590
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,319
because of some you know, vast principled idea of what

591
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,720
the ideal system should be, but rather human nature has

592
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:29,000
a tendency to want to to dominate, you know what

593
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,839
I mean it's Libido Dominondi to a degree. I'm not

594
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,519
saying that I agree with everything Augustine said, but falling

595
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:39,079
human beings have a tendency to, you know, to be

596
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,640
corrupt when they get extreme amounts of power. And what

597
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,279
appears to be a very supposedly freedom based situation, I

598
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,599
would just be very I mean again, it's like if

599
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,160
I'm going to this island where supposedly it's based around freedom,

600
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,720
but you know, Peter Thiel owns like a private security

601
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,079
come Many that runs the island. I mean, who has

602
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,319
the power there? Really?

603
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,759
Speaker 2: Yes? Well, and let's not forget I wrote. It's a

604
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,559
very long piece. It's called the out Algorithmic Oracle, and

605
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,760
the whole premise behind it is the origins of the

606
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,920
Delphi method come from sensitivity training, which is essentially brainwashing,

607
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,719
but and does have military roots as well. You know,

608
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,079
Naval Intelligence Research and Kurt Lewin have a stock. But

609
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,239
then the Delphi method kind of codified this into a

610
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,880
much more kind of systematic, mechanistic type of operation through

611
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,719
RAND Corp. And now what we have is essentially the

612
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,519
Delphi method and sensitivity straining on steroids through algorithms. The

613
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,719
cybernetic feedback loops of the algorithm. So they're data mining you.

614
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,719
So if you have like a Peter Teel Pallenteer type

615
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,320
of panopticon network state, they're constantly watching you and they're surveilling,

616
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,000
collecting all this data. And you think they can't use

617
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,880
that data to then program you and to control you.

618
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,719
I mean it's that that's how the cybernetics operate. So

619
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,320
uh yeah, I would not trust that. I think that

620
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,880
that's exactly what they want, is people siloed in these

621
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,039
kinds of And there's also they always talk about the decentralization,

622
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,840
and I warn people that, you know, the world brain, right.

623
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,840
He talks about how the decentralization of the academ of

624
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,360
the academic institution, the information institutions, the media, that would

625
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,199
be the conduit to create the world brain. What would

626
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,559
we say the information institutions today would be I would

627
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:41,079
say the Internet technology, right, And so that's what we're seeing.

628
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,800
He can also use Bruce S. Lifton, the evolutionary leader

629
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,360
of Bruce S. Lifton, who is a kind of ancilliary

630
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,679
to this game B movement, Barbara Marks Hubbard and those types.

631
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,360
But he talks about he and he uses a spiral

632
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,599
to uh paint his picture. Of course, you know totally

633
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,239
hegel diectric spiral. But he talks about how, you know,

634
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,960
we started out as a meba, and but what makes

635
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
the amiba intelligent is that it has a membrane, and

636
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,760
so that's where collects this information. And then you know,

637
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,079
we move up as we evolve, and that he says,

638
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,960
we go to multicellular organisms and then humans. We're so

639
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:24,360
intelligent because we're this complex multicellular organism. We have so

640
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,800
much service area of membrane, and that's why we're intelligent,

641
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,000
he said. But we're at a crossroads now where we

642
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,280
have to choose if we want to co create the

643
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,239
super organism of humanity. If we don't, we're going to

644
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,960
go extinct. But we can co create this super organism

645
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,360
of humanity, and what does he say, the membrane for

646
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,280
that organism is going to be. Of course, it is

647
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:45,840
the Internet.

648
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: Internet, and.

649
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: Just and with this that Belagi Sernavasin in his Network State.

650
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,079
He also keeps talking about decentralization, but then he actually

651
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:59,800
has a whole chapter on recentralizing towards the center. So

652
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:03,199
the whole purpose of the decentralization is to recentralize. Anybody

653
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,440
who understands how technology works, if you want it to

654
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,880
be interoperable and if you are going to have any

655
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,119
control locust. Obviously, this whole decentralization theory is kind of

656
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:13,920
a surface illusion.

657
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've been hearing this terminology out of

658
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,559
the progressive, you know, tech oriented left for for a

659
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:26,280
long time, and it's not I don't think it's accidental

660
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,519
that you know, cryptocurrency picked this up. I'm not saying

661
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,039
that they're not legitimate uses of the term, or that

662
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,320
you know, networks can't be genuinely decentralized. But you know,

663
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,199
when you get like people like Greta and people like

664
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,880
this talking about this, you know, using this kind of terminology,

665
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,039
obviously it's it's a buzzword for a mega corporate agenda.

666
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,719
You mentioned too, which is interesting Teal and sovereign house

667
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,440
and all that. And I don't know, did you see

668
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,480
my debate with Dasha.

669
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: Oh no, I haven't had to check that out.

670
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was more of a sort of tongue

671
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,320
in cheek. It's kind of a silly debate. I mean,

672
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,159
it wasn't really, but yeah, Dasha, I think she wanted

673
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,480
to know, she was talking smack on Twitter and so

674
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:12,559
that she would debate anybody, and I was like, all right,

675
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:16,440
let's do it. So we had a religious debate. But

676
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,719
what what what is the I mean, I'm not denying

677
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,360
that Sovereign House and Teal you know, or interested in

678
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,159
touching on elements of the you know, culture that are

679
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,199
formerly left New right like, but I mean, what what

680
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,440
does he get out of the sort of you know,

681
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Red Scare. Like, I'm not denying that he's but I

682
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,559
just don't understand, like, what what's he really getting out

683
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:48,239
of that? Because there's not a huge I mean, it's

684
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,840
not like Red Scare had like this massive audience, you

685
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,920
know what I mean, They're they're kind of medium, minimal

686
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:58,440
level influence. What do you think Teal is getting out

687
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:58,719
of that?

688
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:03,679
Speaker 2: I think it's just a cultural influence. I think that's

689
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,079
really what it is. And it's a you know, it's

690
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,320
a way to kind of mold the New Right. So

691
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,280
it helps to bridge the gap because we have this

692
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,320
uh you know, these from the left, this uh you know,

693
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,199
whole operation with it's more of the game B types

694
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,679
and there's a lot of kind of inciliary movements, you know,

695
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,199
there's like the super what is it, super illuminal Uh? Group?

696
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:29,519
I forgot what it's.

697
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: So basically dirt bag Left. Have you heard of that?

698
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,360
Which one dirt bag Left? No?

699
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of them.

700
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: Uh. That's like the terminology for the left that like

701
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,760
chop O trap House podcast and the people that were

702
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,639
the they were left where they didn't like Biden and Obama,

703
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,119
so they were like they were like committed principled leftists

704
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:56,480
supposedly right and trap House was a popular podcast back

705
00:39:56,599 --> 00:40:00,840
during the heyday of alt right that was sort of

706
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,159
the left's answer to alt right was dirtbag Left. And

707
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then I think Dasha kind of evolved out of that,

708
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,480
and red Scare podcast evolved out of that, and then

709
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,840
they've taken this sort of kind of right turn, which

710
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,519
that just could be because I mean, I'm not saying

711
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,760
it's not because of Peter Tiel, but I mean, I

712
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,840
mean just from an audience perspective, like people are just

713
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,039
kind of getting tired of the left, you know, especially

714
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:34,000
as Trump was becoming more and more you know, in

715
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,559
the ascendancy and in the last you know, two years,

716
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,760
Trump has pretty much just been a phenomenon. And I'm

717
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,360
not like I have plenty of criticisms of Trump. I'm

718
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,280
just stating what is the case. And I'm not saying

719
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,760
I'm saying that this can still be like a All

720
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,760
I'm trying to say, I'm rambling. All I'm trying to

721
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,719
say is like these are the influenced networks that if

722
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,599
you were wanting to steer the culture, these are the

723
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,239
types of things that you would kind of latch onto

724
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,480
or try to step into because those networks are ahead

725
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,719
of the curve. In other words, Alex Jones is talking

726
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,159
about stuff ten years ago that Fox News talks about today.

727
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:14,480
So you know, these kinds of podcasts, whether they're kind

728
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:20,079
of culture driving nish podcasts, like whether it's Sam Hyde

729
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,360
or whether it's you know, Dawsha or whether it's whatever,

730
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:27,840
Like these are more niche but ahead of the curve.

731
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:34,199
Speaker 2: Yes, And so it was a super luminal Systems, which

732
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,360
is that Robert Edward Grant is tied with it right

733
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,800
with his Crown sterling, and so they're kind of they

734
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,800
use all the Game B vernacular, so they're not officially

735
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,440
Game B. But that's what I was thinking. But what

736
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,599
I'm trying to say is that it's a way of

737
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:51,679
steering these So I'm not saying that there aren't organic

738
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,360
you know, people who, yeah, we're tired of the left,

739
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,599
but if you can operate through them, then you can

740
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:04,320
create a much broader banner that looks more populous, even

741
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:04,800
if it's not.

742
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: Yah the way you phrased it, just remake.

743
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: The right, which is what it kind of looks like

744
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,679
to me, is they're remaking the right. And you know,

745
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,920
we can look at a couple of just really I

746
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,480
think overt examples that everybody can. They're two really big

747
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,519
ones in the past five years, and then this one,

748
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:24,199
and I'll use coding just to you know, elucidate this.

749
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,239
But you know, five years ago, you had a lot

750
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,519
of people who were very kind of maybe we'll call

751
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:34,920
them like the more crunchy freedom kind of people, and

752
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,320
they were traditionally on the left. But then you had

753
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,159
the medical freedom movement come in, and suddenly those people

754
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,320
got slacked with right wing labels, whether Republican, conservative, or

755
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,239
you know, whatever it may be. And a lot of

756
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,519
them were actually very confused, like I've been on left

757
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,280
my whole life. I voted Democrat my whole life, Like

758
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,760
I'm not a Republican or I'm not a conservative whatever

759
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,440
it was, but they're okay, and a lot of them

760
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,119
kind of went along with it, like, okay, now we

761
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,400
shift the overtoon window, right, So people who reject certain

762
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,880
experimental uh you know, medications are now suddenly right wingers.

763
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: Right.

764
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: We had this again really recently with Traditionally a lot

765
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,679
of people on the right would never buy an electric vehicle, right,

766
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,679
because that's a subscribe.

767
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh. I mean it wasn't even that long ago, you know,

768
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,960
before Elon, even when Elon owned Twitter, it was still like, oh,

769
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,679
that's that leftist bullshit of having an ev you know.

770
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean suddenly like you had all these quote

771
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,719
unquote Republicans rushing out when those you know, when they

772
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,119
had those protests of the Tesla. Suddenly you had all

773
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,360
these conservatives and Republicans rush out to buy a Tesla

774
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,440
they could afford.

775
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: It, and yeah, exactly what.

776
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: But it shifts the overtuon window, right. That's part of

777
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,679
the I think that's part of the uh the purpose

778
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:55,960
of it.

779
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, now go ahead.

780
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: I was going to say, remaking the new Right. I

781
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,000
think that's part.

782
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, this is where we get into the character

783
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,519
of Vance and I suppose people are concerned because the

784
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,960
ideas that well, Vance represents the next generation or the

785
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,559
next potential you know, Republican presidential candidates. So what's the

786
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:27,199
what's the real deal from your research on the influence

787
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,960
on Vance.

788
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: Here, So Vance has kind of connections to both this

789
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:39,320
dark Enlightenment Curtis Jarvin network, so he's got that angle,

790
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,519
and then he also has a lot of connection to

791
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:44,440
this I called them the Theobros, which is not my term,

792
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:48,480
but you know, through this rock bit Bridge, which is

793
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:54,719
a feel backed investment firm, and this Christian nationalist umbrella.

794
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,559
So I will clarify, I'm not talking about people who

795
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,960
might be Christian might also have a nationalistic bent, you know,

796
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:05,280
I'm not saying that's just the you know, hyphen of

797
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,719
those two. I'm also not talking about people, as you said,

798
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,440
who might you know, want a nation that you know

799
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:16,440
is more based on those types of principles. These are

800
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,800
people who really literally want biblical law to replace the

801
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,719
Constitution and they have explicitly said so, so we're talking

802
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,480
about a constitutional subversion. So regardless of you know, your

803
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,360
thoughts on the Constitution, that that is what they're advocating.

804
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,800
So it is a subversive type of movement by definition.

805
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,039
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I want to say, is like, even

806
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:40,199
if I have I don't have a problem critiquing America's

807
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:46,320
enlightenment of founding ideas and presuppositions. But I wouldn't trust

808
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,239
these people to be leading a Christian nationalist system, is

809
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,199
I guess what I would say?

810
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a largely a lot of these people,

811
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,519
not to say that none of them are are, you know,

812
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,679
true believers, because oftentimes the true believers make the best

813
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,880
propaganda agents because they have conviction, right, So oftentimes that

814
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,840
is how that works. But I think they're using the

815
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,559
Christian I call it Christianese, so it's like Christian language.

816
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,800
You see the theosophists do this all the time.

817
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: I think this is Did you see that the Teal

818
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,920
interview where he was talking about the Antichrist? Yes, yeah,

819
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,119
see I think so. And I was looking over here

820
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,000
at Sovereign House Events and I bought Renee Gerrard. I've

821
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,320
not read it. I don't know exactly what the whole

822
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:38,840
idea of Gerard's theology is. I think I take it

823
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,719
to be more of a symbolic kind of approach, maybe

824
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,360
something it can to a Peterson style approach to what

825
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,440
religion is. I'm not sure because I haven't read it yet,

826
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,719
but I mean even here on the Sovereign House Events page,

827
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,760
I mean, it's all it's there's a whole event about

828
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,159
Renee Gerard. And I've had many people in the audience say, hey,

829
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,960
you need to read this guy. So that seems to

830
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,679
be like when when Peter Till's using the terminology of

831
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,760
Christianity and immortality and all that. It's almost like the

832
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,840
impression I got from the interview that Jamie and I

833
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,519
covered was, Yeah, there's this idea in Christianity which is

834
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,239
mythical and fictional of a resurrection and all this kind

835
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,360
of stuff. We're going to do that with tech. That's

836
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,440
what it really means.

837
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't see his his beliefs as being commensurate

838
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,480
with Christianity of any type, you know, regardless of what

839
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,880
sect of Christianity. I don't really see him being commensurate

840
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,840
at all. I think he's taking just the notion of

841
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,480
Christianity and he's kind of projecting.

842
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

843
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gerard, that was one of his professors, a

844
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:48,400
mentor of his, and the big concept he takes from

845
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,840
him is a like mimetic theory, that this idea of

846
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,760
mimicking others, but it's very tied to envy, and that

847
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,280
that kind of drives a lot of Teal's philosophy, and

848
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,920
so that we have to avoid this and we need

849
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,119
to use that in order to advance, because he says

850
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:11,400
we're in a stagnant of society and we have to

851
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:15,079
you know, advance. So basically the proponent of accelerationism, we

852
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,000
want to Well, he said.

853
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: Something in that interview with that Ross guy, something like, well,

854
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:28,599
Antichrist is this idea of a collectivist system where Greta's

855
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,320
and he used Greta I think as an example of Antichrist,

856
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,599
where people like Greta, you know, set the agenda and

857
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:39,079
have status control and I represent you know, fantasy island

858
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:41,000
where I'm going to you know, be floating over here

859
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,280
with my freedom coins and all this stuff. It's like,

860
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,880
I mean again, like how is it really in my

861
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,679
view if you don't have a consistent, coherent worldview based

862
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,199
in as you said, reality from my perspective, orthodox Christianity,

863
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,320
I don't see how you're going to have any basis,

864
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,199
for example, for values and value judgments right and wrong,

865
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,599
virtue vice right, you've got to have some kind of

866
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,800
a system. And I think one of the problems with

867
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,800
the tech bros, especially out of the whole libertarian ethos,

868
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,400
is that they have a utilitarian idea of ethics that

869
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,840
they think technology can somehow, through quantification, tell you what's

870
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,159
right and wrong and what's good and bad. And that

871
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:25,199
goes all the way back to the moral calculus era

872
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,119
of dun Thumb. And it's just a really silly spurgeep is.

873
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:30,559
You've got to kind of be a spurg to even

874
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:33,400
think that calculations could tell you, in the basis of

875
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,599
pleasure points what's good and bad. It's just silly.

876
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: It's absurd, Yes, completely absurd. And the irony is that

877
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,719
the New York Times interviewer asked him, he said, well,

878
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,039
some might say that you were the anti Crist. Isn't

879
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,880
the Antichrist when he talked about how he's going to

880
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,719
bring you know, essentially love and life through his freedom,

881
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,599
you know, cities and whatever, he didn't use those words.

882
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,800
That's essentially with the picture that he's painting. Isn't that

883
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,800
like the Antichrist supposed to bring peace? Right? So it's

884
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,360
it's almost like he's yeah.

885
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,039
Speaker 1: No, there's a time. I mean, the in the classical

886
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,480
idea of Antichrist, there's a period where you do have

887
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:18,239
a false global peace based around whatever type of system

888
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,000
he brings into into fruition, and then eventually that collapses

889
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:23,719
and you have a giant war. But yeah, there is

890
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,480
a false piece.

891
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: So well, I just thought it was an appropriate question

892
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,199
for him to throw back on him and be like, well,

893
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,639
some might say maybe maybe you're at the antich Christ.

894
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,199
I personally think Elon might look a little more like

895
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,559
the Antichrist, but I'm not saying he is. I'm just

896
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:41,679
saying from from you know, uh optics. But yeah, so

897
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,519
that I don't think it is at all commensurate. And

898
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,119
I think all of them have elements of where they're

899
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:51,920
really just using Christianity as a way to entice people.

900
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,320
And you now have this with GAMEB. So Game B

901
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:59,679
was very historically, you know, aligned with more spiritual theosophical

902
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,559
princes bulls, they were not. You know a lot of

903
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,360
them like attribute their their roots to Spinoza. It's very

904
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,199
neo Platonic in their philosophical underpinnings. But now we have

905
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,079
Jordan Hall, who a year ago converted to Christianity. I

906
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,239
always want to give the benefit of the doubt. It's

907
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,159
not my place to judge somebody else's, you know, belief system.

908
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,039
But I was a little bit skeptical and that just

909
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,920
because I see this a lot where they use Christianity

910
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,679
in order to create credibility, right, to lure people into

911
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,000
the movement. And yeah, and so he he did this

912
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:38,199
speech at Prospera. So four years ago there was at Prospera.

913
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,599
It was the Startup Society's foundation, and he did a

914
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:46,599
speech there on Game B startup societies, network states. And

915
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,840
then he did another one recently and it was a

916
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,159
like a forty five minute speech and he talks about

917
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:56,960
at the end of it, he's talking about network states

918
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,639
and using essentially Game B concept for network states. But

919
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:03,119
at the end he talks about liturgy. And I know,

920
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,400
I understand the concept in Christianity of liturgy, but he

921
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:12,000
was kind of using this concept to justify communitarianism, which

922
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:15,159
is they're not they're not, they're not the same. And

923
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,840
you know, it's a very I think it's very deceptive

924
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,000
because if you're not really paying attention, you hear the

925
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:24,079
words and they sound like, oh, this is a Christian

926
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:26,960
talking about, you know, bringing community under God.

927
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: That's well, it's just like yeah, like the term of

928
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,599
going around a while about Christ's consciousness. I mean, that's

929
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,119
such a vague, weird term that that could mean, uh,

930
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:39,239
you know, like actual the mind that Jesus himself actually

931
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,840
had as a human being. Or could does it mean

932
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,199
like this new agy concept of everybody acting and love

933
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,719
and light and that's Christ. I mean, it's so vague,

934
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,239
it could be all kinds of things, but it is

935
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,440
a very uh you know, new new ag buzzword for sure.

936
00:52:54,039 --> 00:53:00,079
And you write this is from biology. We think d

937
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,119
stetting can be revived in long term because it can

938
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:06,000
be a part of a network state paradigm. You just

939
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,480
need to grow a startup society capable of crowd funding

940
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:13,639
a cruise ship. Your society wouldn't start with something so expensive.

941
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:17,119
It is started by something more modest, territory around the

942
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:21,480
world connecting it into a network archipelago. But you have

943
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,719
a startup city with tens of thousands of members, something

944
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,079
as crazy as a crowdfunded cruise ship becomes a possibility.

945
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,159
What's funny about this is that, I mean I remember,

946
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,760
like fifteen years ago when Ron Paul was really popular

947
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,400
and there were people on the left, not that I'm

948
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,119
supporting the people on the left, but they were criticizing

949
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:46,079
these libertarian Silicon Valley oligarchs, because even back then, in

950
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,920
like two thousand and seven, eight nine, you had libertarian

951
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,840
oligarch guys talking about creating their own floating cities so

952
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,119
that they could be outside of the balands of any

953
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:03,159
laws of any nation state. And again, it's just it's like,

954
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,159
it's weird. It's like we're stepping back into all of

955
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,679
the conspiracies of two thousand and seven and eight when

956
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,039
Ron Paul was at his peak, and but now the

957
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:17,639
right is being coaxed into and tempted into accepting, i

958
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:22,440
think basically just technocracy under the guise of it being

959
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:33,880
anti communist, anti collectivist and somehow Bays and trad because oh, well,

960
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,199
we're gonna have hierarchy as of hierarchy itself is somehow

961
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,800
like Bays and trad when it can you can have

962
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,599
a hierarchy that's a bunch of degenerates and wicked people.

963
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I think that's exactly what's going on. They're

964
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,719
just they're operating through wherever they think the power locus is,

965
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,840
and right now that is under Trump, who is technically Republican,

966
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,920
and so they're they're they're using that in order to

967
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:05,000
usher in It's the same thing though this is technocracy

968
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,000
on either side. I'm very concerned because into traditional Hegelian

969
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:11,400
dialectic faction, you're gonna have a lot of people who

970
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,559
are going to reject this very autocratic, top down type

971
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,960
of control state, which is kind of overtly technocratic, and

972
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,559
they're going to offer other options, solutions, if you will.

973
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:28,559
And I'm seeing a movement towards this what I think,

974
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,400
And I wrote an article about the technological age of

975
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,519
Aquarius h third Way dream or digital dystopia was the title.

976
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,400
But I'm talking about how they're using essentially third way

977
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,639
politics to create a radical center. Now it's very deceptive

978
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:47,559
because again people think center, oh, this is, you know,

979
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,280
very balanced, moderate type of politics, and that's appealing to people,

980
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,159
right and it's beyond it's trans It's transpartisan is the

981
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,079
term the buzzword they're using. So this is, you know,

982
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:00,599
beyond the two party illusion, beyond the two party do

983
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:03,519
Optly a lot of people recognize there's obviously flaws in

984
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,199
you know, this kind of Hegelian two party system, but

985
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,880
they're using it to create third way politics, which are

986
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,400
always left of center. That the radical center is not

987
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,079
in the center, it's left of center. Anthony Giddens himself

988
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,599
says that in his Third Way book. So they're using that,

989
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:25,639
I think, to usher in technocratic movements. And you've now

990
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,599
got Elon Musk talking about his American Party, who is

991
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,320
supporting that Andrew Yang from the Forward Party.

992
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,599
Speaker 1: Remember I was going to say Yang Yang Gang and

993
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:37,079
all that stuff they tried to immediately they remember, they

994
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,960
were trying to appeal to the alt right. Uh when

995
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:42,280
as your Yang first popped on the scene and suddenly

996
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,880
all these so called alt right accounts were like Yangang

997
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,239
Yangang Yang Gang because they thought they were going to

998
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,920
get a universal basic income. I mean, I'm like, you

999
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,480
guys are so stupid.

1000
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: So stupid. And now he's consulting with Curtis Jarvin, uh

1001
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,960
right on this party. I don't know if Yarvin knows

1002
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,880
about creating a political party, but he's somehow going to

1003
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,280
be the authority because I guess he influenced rage and

1004
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,920
for doge Right, So somehow he's an authority. So I'm

1005
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:14,079
very much seeing that they're pushing that under the guise

1006
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,679
of like this centralized political movement, but it's really third

1007
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:22,559
way politics guiding us towards technocratic movements. And then we

1008
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:25,880
also still have the game b people who are very active,

1009
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,400
uh you know, they're creating all sorts of networks and technologies.

1010
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,760
There's a technology called no Map. They changed the name,

1011
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,639
of course, you know, but they changed it to the

1012
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,519
S seven Foundation, but it was no Map and they

1013
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,719
literally said it was about inhabiting the no sphere. So

1014
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,840
they're still they're very, very active, and they're going to

1015
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:52,199
present themselves as you know, they're decentralized. It's often kind

1016
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,639
of it's often to your own tyranny, of course in

1017
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:57,920
my opinion, but it's very much couched in this whole

1018
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,920
love and light. So I think a lot of people

1019
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,440
who are going to reject this top down autocratic algocracy

1020
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,199
that's kind of overt from the dark Enlightenment are and

1021
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,159
to say, oh, we've got this movement over here which

1022
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,840
we can choose and we have options, and it's you know,

1023
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,840
it's so soft, it's divine mother, you know. Also, you know,

1024
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,760
I'm half kidding but I think that that's what we're

1025
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,119
going to see is people ushered into that. And you

1026
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,280
have these people in the quote unquote Freedom Movement, and

1027
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,320
there's a lot of overlap with the two, this left

1028
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,360
and right, because they do operate through whatever path they

1029
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,719
need to. And we have I use the Phoenix Conspiracy

1030
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:38,960
as kind of the metaphor for this this particular article,

1031
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:42,199
But there is an actual operation going on right now

1032
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:46,519
that's called Operation Phoenix, and it is the United Independence

1033
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:51,320
who are running it. And RFK has now joined in

1034
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,400
with them. And I think this is actually quite key,

1035
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:59,280
and it's a very integral component because I think RFK

1036
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:02,239
was kind of at home. Maha movement, I think was

1037
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,199
a big in my opinion, it was kind of very

1038
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:09,880
deceptive ploy to get people in, you know, the people

1039
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,800
who might not have been sold on Trump. A lot

1040
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,480
of them were right. So you had RFK and the

1041
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:18,000
Maha movement, and who could argue with Maha. I mean,

1042
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,199
the messaging make America healthy again. I mean, I'm all

1043
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,599
on board. Let's get rid of pesticides and seed o

1044
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:25,920
loyals and you know, fake garbage and chemicals. I'm all

1045
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:28,280
on board with the messaging of that. But I was

1046
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,599
warning even before Trump got elected that he's a huge

1047
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,440
proponent of precision AI medicine. This goes back, I mean,

1048
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,159
it goes back further than Obama. But you can go

1049
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,239
back and look at his you know, precision medicine document

1050
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,840
on the Obama White House archives and he and he

1051
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,320
talks about using this whole uh you know, uh, I

1052
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,199
forgot the acronym. But it's all about using the like

1053
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:57,920
behavioral modification to basically brainwash people into the you know,

1054
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,840
Internet of nanobile things is essentially what it talks about.

1055
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,800
And so you now have RFK talking about how MAHA

1056
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:14,840
is MABA, which is the make America biotech technical again right, No,

1057
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:19,679
make make America biotech accelerate. That's the term, right, How

1058
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,960
could I forget accelerate accelerationism? And he literally that's literally

1059
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:25,639
what MABA is And he's talking about how that's what

1060
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:29,760
MAHA really is is make America biochech accelerate. And he's

1061
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,119
talking about how everybody should be wearing wearables so that

1062
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,960
the Internet of wearables and in that Path to Mass

1063
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,280
Surveillance article, I outlined like all the the Internet of things,

1064
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,880
the Internet of everything, the Internet of wearable. This is

1065
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,119
all part of how they build their fifteen minute cities,

1066
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:48,519
which I know you've covered extensively. So I just I

1067
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:51,719
caution people because this is kind of how whether or

1068
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,559
not it's intentionally you know, a dielectrical framework, I think

1069
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,280
that they use it in that fashion, and so they push,

1070
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,679
they steer peace. But when they recognize that one is

1071
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:05,039
not working so well, they're going to prop up the

1072
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:08,480
other in order to get their agenda to march towards

1073
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:11,239
the Omega point to use you know, the Kurs.

1074
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that John Land a guy in his twenty

1075
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,039
eighteen book that Jamie read, you know, he said that

1076
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:21,159
Silicon Valley is a for lack of a better term,

1077
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:25,039
occult that believes that they will kind of give to

1078
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,679
the world a diosex machina that will become a kind

1079
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:32,760
of god, and that that it'll probably be worshiped and

1080
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,000
treated like a deity. So and it's really just the

1081
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:41,960
algorithm that they're coding and you know, telling it basically. Also,

1082
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,400
I think that AI is kind of a scam because

1083
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,679
it's it's it's really just tailoring its answers to each

1084
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:52,119
individual person to sort of inflate the ego of the

1085
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,519
individual person and make them think that they're coming to

1086
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:59,480
all these great conclusions and that they're really getting you know,

1087
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,440
they're really getting this wealth of information out of this

1088
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,280
glorified search engine, which is just an audio search engine.

1089
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,159
It's basically all AI is at this point. But it's becoming.

1090
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:11,039
It's going to become a companion. It's going to become

1091
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:13,880
your kind of personal avatar, like you see in the

1092
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,719
movie Her We're Walking, Yes, falls in love with his

1093
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:20,679
operating system, his AI. So that's going to be I

1094
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:23,920
think the locus of control according to Lenny A, how

1095
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,480
does AI fit into this?

1096
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't want to address that. Yeah, her

1097
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,800
freaked me out at the time, and now in hindsight

1098
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,000
it's like way more creepy to me than I think.

1099
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,719
I had nightmares for a week. But now I agree

1100
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:41,800
with you. I think they're essentially going to create I

1101
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,760
call it the cyber Satan. So they're going to worship

1102
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,000
this being that they're going to tell us is sentient.

1103
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,239
And I don't really believe that AI has sentient I

1104
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,480
know something say it already does. I don't believe it

1105
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,599
ever will. That's my opinion, But I think that they

1106
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,480
can convince people and that will have very similar ramifications,

1107
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:02,400
and I think those ramifications will be incredibly dystopian. So

1108
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:05,199
you know, it doesn't actually have to achieve sentience to

1109
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:08,280
achieve the result that they're looking for if they can

1110
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,599
convince enough people that it's sentient. So I do.

1111
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think this is another thought I had

1112
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:15,599
to when long time ago we were kind of speculating

1113
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:18,760
on We did a boiler room maybe ten years ago,

1114
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,719
and we were talking about the possibility of future cities,

1115
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:29,239
city states, smart cities kind of being crafted around ideas,

1116
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:32,280
so not so much you know, where you were born

1117
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,519
and your family and your heritage, but a future model

1118
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:41,079
where people migrate to places, assuming they're able to based

1119
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:46,519
around even fantasy ideologies. For example, what if there's a

1120
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,559
smart city And I'm saying this kind of on the

1121
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,760
basis of the Disney theme park model. You know what

1122
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,119
if there's a city a community that is you know,

1123
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:57,519
Harry Potter World, then you go And I mean, I'm

1124
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,480
I'm not kidding either. I'm saying, like people that are

1125
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,840
so committed to living in sort of fantasy world where

1126
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,599
you sort of go to these places and maybe you

1127
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:07,400
don't even have to physically go to them. Maybe you

1128
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,840
live in them, like in Ready Player one, in a

1129
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,840
virtual world for most of your life or something. Does that?

1130
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,840
I mean, when you think about Prospera or I think

1131
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,559
about freedom cities or these things they want to construct,

1132
01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:22,639
whether they become dystopian or whether they really do have

1133
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,599
maybe some kind of free movement. I don't know, but

1134
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,800
like you said, like if you maybe you sign into

1135
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,559
Star Wars Wars World, if you're a super soy man,

1136
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:35,639
you go live in Star Wars World for ten years,

1137
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:37,760
and then you get tired of living there, but you've

1138
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,239
signed a smart contract for your you know, bio, but

1139
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,679
your biodata for the next twenty years. You can't get

1140
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:46,679
out of this contract. You can't leave Star Wars World.

1141
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:49,639
You're stuck there. I mean, is this possible? You know

1142
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:51,679
what I mean? Is this what we're looking at where

1143
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:57,000
everybody's basically a giant tech experiment that's being surveiled. And

1144
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:58,960
the reason I say that is Jamie and iwer Hat.

1145
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,880
I'll let you talk over those. But we were at

1146
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,719
Disneyland one time, this is the last time we went,

1147
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,239
maybe like seven years ago, and we were talking about

1148
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,519
how it's just kind of a funny thought to think about.

1149
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,079
If you were watching Disney World or Land from a

1150
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,159
drone or from up above, you would see a bunch

1151
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:16,400
of wearing little mouse hats, you know, running around like

1152
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,039
a mouse maze, like you were being studied in sort

1153
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:23,639
of like some big mouse science experiment. So do you

1154
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:26,679
think that that's where we're going into this world where

1155
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,199
we don't have nation states the way we've thought about

1156
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:31,039
them in the past, but we have these sort of

1157
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,119
idea states or imaginal states that are maybe not even

1158
01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:39,239
states but megacities where you sort of sign over your

1159
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,159
rights and your biology and your data to live in

1160
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,559
some sort of UBI smart city thing or something.

1161
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:52,199
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so that's actually what the network state is,

1162
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,480
he explicitly says, is a dissolution of geographical nation states.

1163
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: Oh well, there we go.

1164
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very explicit.

1165
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: And we forget that on Bullrum. You're gonna go live

1166
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,159
in Harry Potter World. Do you want to live in

1167
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,159
Lord of the Rings world? Or which fake world do

1168
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:07,599
you want to live?

1169
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1170
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Speaker 1: Did you ever watch West World? This is actually kind

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01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,119
of like West World.

1172
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 2: It is kind of like West World. And when you

1173
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,000
talk about the biometric data, I think it's going to

1174
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,800
be like Black Mirror, you know, where you use you know,

1175
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,440
because they have that six gy technology where they talk

1176
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,000
about like humans are like the antenna to power the

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01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,480
six G. The AI World Society talks about using that

1178
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,639
for the Internet of NanoBio things, So, I mean, these

1179
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:38,159
things are not so far off. And there's that Black

1180
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:41,679
Mirror episode where they're like on the bikes powering, and

1181
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:45,840
they've talked about being able to mind crypto using human

1182
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,920
you know power. So all of this technology, especially as

1183
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,920
it advances, does pink kind of a very dystopian type

1184
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,599
of network state. But this is why the network state

1185
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:00,800
concept came out of the c Setting com which, by

1186
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,880
the way, I think is very reminiscent of Gilliam Maxwell's TerraMar.

1187
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,079
That's just a total side.

1188
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 3: Note, but yeah, the reason for sea setting is because

1189
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,920
you're on international waters, right, so you're outside of the

1190
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,280
confines of national laws and so basically they can make

1191
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,880
up their own laws, so the tech oligarchs can decide

1192
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:20,679
that the laws are whatever they want them to be.

1193
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: So that didn't go over that well. I think you

1194
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,719
put in one point seven million dollars into the concept

1195
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,280
and it you know, didn't take all, but Vilagia has

1196
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,599
a whole chapter dedicated to it and says that it

1197
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:34,480
was the inspiration for creating these network states, and that

1198
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:38,000
network states are the dissolution of geographical nation states in

1199
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:43,719
favor of cyber ideological states, and so you you might

1200
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,000
have a hybrid like Prospera, which they are actually a

1201
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:51,000
physical locale, but it's really more about you could have

1202
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:54,599
somebody across the world who is and Curtis Jarvin talks

1203
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:59,320
about how it's one of the most like horrendous quotes

1204
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,119
I've ever read in my own life. It's so awful.

1205
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,480
But he says that the humane alternative to genocide would

1206
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:09,280
be to virtualize human beings. And this is in his

1207
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,880
patchwork positive vision. I don't know, it doesn't sound all

1208
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,840
that positive to me, but maybe I just have a

1209
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,079
I'm not wearing his rose colored glasses, so I don't

1210
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:20,840
see it that way. But yeah, he's so he's talking

1211
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,880
about creating technoplastic beings, which is what the term that

1212
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,920
Nick Land uses. So it's all moving towards this transhuman vision.

1213
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,239
And of course game B says they're opposed to transhumanism.

1214
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:34,760
They're not, but I mean Barbara Marxs Hubbard was one

1215
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,560
of like the grandmothers of the transhuman movement. She actually

1216
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,199
called Christ transhuman and she wrote this book like Escape

1217
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:47,800
from Armageddon, and in that she calls Christ transhuman. And

1218
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:50,640
she's not talking about because he's you know, a.

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,520
Speaker 1: Good well as you've wrote. For just a second there,

1220
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,000
you were talking about the Christ transhumanist Christ.

1221
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not talking about in the sense of like,

1222
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,600
you know, being a divine being. She's talking about transhumanism.

1223
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,039
And she actually rewrote the New Testament. And there's this

1224
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:21,640
whole story that she tells about how she told her

1225
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:26,720
dear friend Bucky Buckminster Fuller, who is definitely a technocrat. Yeah,

1226
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,720
you know, the architect Buckminster Fuller. But she talking about Yes,

1227
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,359
she said, her dear friend Bucky, and she said she

1228
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,840
told him that, you know, she had this vision that

1229
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,279
she had to rewrite the New Testament, and so she

1230
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,520
took it upon herself to do so. And he was

1231
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,359
so proud of her. He said he had the same

1232
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,800
vision and he's so glad that she did it. So,

1233
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you know, these are the people that we're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you go on to talk about from anti

1235
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:54,760
humanism to techno feudalism, and a lot of people forget that.

1236
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:58,439
In Tragy and Hope, there's a very important middle chapter

1237
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:02,239
as well as chapters discussing the move away from international

1238
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,960
law that was set up, you know, post Enlightenment for

1239
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:10,319
nation states, and then we're moving into a globalization period

1240
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:13,039
where and Quickly talked about this the future would be

1241
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:15,880
neo feudal And in the middle of the book there

1242
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,119
is an entire chapter about the future cities which will

1243
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:21,760
be run by AI giant supercomputers. So even in the

1244
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,680
nineteen sixties, Quickly as well was talking about the managerial state,

1245
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:29,760
the efficiency state, the technocratic state. This was planned a

1246
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,680
long time ago, and you know, it's just really difficult

1247
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,960
to get people, whether the right or left, to look

1248
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,119
at long ranging, multi decade, you know, even of century

1249
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:47,680
plus plans to bring about this kind of a you know, essentially,

1250
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:51,439
you know, Huxley and Brave new World scenario is really

1251
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,960
what this I think is going to result in. But

1252
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:57,359
tell us about techno feudalism.

1253
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a Yannis Vera Fucus. I don't know

1254
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,720
if I pronounced his name right, I apologize.

1255
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:07,399
Speaker 1: No, wait a minute, Vera Falucus. Didn't he come up

1256
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,319
back in the days of when they were doing the

1257
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:14,000
banker looting of the European nations? It wasn't vera focus

1258
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,119
first mentioned back then?

1259
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and he is. So he's the one who coined

1260
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,880
this term of techno feudalism, and I might put it

1261
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,800
up to see if I can find how he explains it,

1262
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,279
because it's exactly what we're witnessing.

1263
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: Was he the guy though that was he was like

1264
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:36,680
the Greek Was he the Soreza party of Greece that

1265
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,000
was like the socialists or the right wing I'm trying

1266
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:40,359
to remember.

1267
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:43,079
Speaker 2: No, he's a he's a socialist.

1268
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's the Greek socialist that was part of

1269
01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:46,760
Soresa right.

1270
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,319
Speaker 2: Yes, and his father actually, I think was jailed because

1271
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:56,560
he wouldn't denounce communism and so yeah, so he he

1272
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,319
says he's not a communist, but he's a socialist. I

1273
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:04,600
mean he's essentially, but yeah, he talks about how we're

1274
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,079
going to be run by these essentially what he calls

1275
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:12,520
techno feudalism is essentially this notion that we're going to

1276
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,279
have these little fifetoms that are going to be run

1277
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:19,479
by tech overlords. And that's kind of what the gov

1278
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,680
core solve core of this, the network states all of

1279
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,960
these that's essentially what it looks like. But that that

1280
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:27,359
is what he says that he says the capitalism has

1281
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:31,479
already done that, that it's already over. But that, yeah,

1282
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,520
where we're what we're already in this techno feudal state.

1283
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,680
And he's he uses the justification of things like you know,

1284
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:43,159
Amazon and Google and Facebook and all these social media platforms.

1285
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:47,119
And he says that in particular in the past few years,

1286
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,399
because things went much more remote, that kind of accelerated

1287
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,439
those fifetoms because they have so much power over our

1288
01:12:55,479 --> 01:13:00,680
economic and social world today. So yeah, I I don't

1289
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,760
know that we're in a fully techno feudal society currently.

1290
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,520
I'm not quite that, you know, black piled, but I

1291
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,760
do think that that's their goal and I think that

1292
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:12,520
is very much if things go the way they're going,

1293
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:19,159
that we're headed in that direction. If things don't change, Yeah,

1294
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,520
so that does seem to be.

1295
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,119
Speaker 1: We got a few super chats here. Now your your

1296
01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:29,199
article continues on. It's pretty lengthy. It goes on to

1297
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:32,920
talk about THEO bros. And I see Doug Wilson even

1298
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,560
made it on there. How does Doug Wilson fit into this?

1299
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,319
Speaker 2: He's been a huge, kind of like mentor with his

1300
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,600
church to a lot of these theobors.

1301
01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: So interesting, Who did he in this collection of bearded

1302
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,159
figures here? I'm not familiar with who these people are.

1303
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:57,159
So I see Peter Thiel, I see a bunch of

1304
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:01,279
bald dudes and bearded dudes. I see Vance. Oh so

1305
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:05,960
you got a list here, I say, Boss, Kirk Iskar, Wolf, Stevens,

1306
01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:10,479
Tan Andresa. I don't know who Mark Andresen is, Peter

1307
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,680
Teal and this is like the new uh tech right,

1308
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,760
I guess or quasi tech right, mm hmm.

1309
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 2: And even what's his name, Pete Hegseth has been Yeah,

1310
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:31,000
so yeah, Doug Wilson's kind of like a mentor to

1311
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:35,760
a lot of them. But yeah, that's obviously Vance and

1312
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:40,000
uh heg Seth. And then we have what's his name?

1313
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:45,880
Why am I blanking? Augustus de Rico, the Rainmaker and

1314
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:51,039
he he's kind of in that American dynamism movement and

1315
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,520
backed by Teal as well. And here there was a

1316
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,640
short video where he basically admitted that he was involved

1317
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,680
in this. You know, cloud seating technology that preceded the

1318
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,640
Texas floods. But yeah, so I don't know if we

1319
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,920
can say that definitively that that's what caused it, but

1320
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,039
he pretty much did kind of allude to that in

1321
01:15:12,079 --> 01:15:14,800
his It was like a few minute interviews. And then

1322
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,840
we have the Gundobros and I talk about them in

1323
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:23,000
the article as well, and they're directly tied to military technology,

1324
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:26,800
and so they're using this kind of Christian identity. But

1325
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,319
again it's at the banner and a lot of these

1326
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,159
Christian nationalists who are affiliated with Doug Wilson are talking

1327
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:37,199
about replacing the Constitution. They want a theocracy, they want

1328
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,760
to replace it with you know, they call it biblical law.

1329
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,399
Speaker 1: No, I used to be involved in the reconstruction of

1330
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,760
stuff when I was younger, and I mean I read,

1331
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:48,279
I mean I was reading people at Rush Duny and

1332
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:51,800
van Hill and Monson who were the prior generation before

1333
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,840
Doug Wilson who so in other words, all those guys

1334
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,319
influenced Doug Wilson's ideas on it.

1335
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah so.

1336
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:07,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, well so I see also here Verveke makes uh

1337
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,239
makes it into your article rot Jordan Hall and others

1338
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:13,880
in the space as Verveke have had many discussions visioning

1339
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,840
and new governance systems. What do you think about Verveaki?

1340
01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:19,159
Speaker 2: What?

1341
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,279
Speaker 1: Why is he in here? Because I remember him. We

1342
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,239
haven't heard of him uh in a while, because he was,

1343
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:27,199
you know, in the Peterson sphere talking about silicon sages

1344
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:32,039
and uh then he makes it into your article here.

1345
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,920
What do you think about Verveaki?

1346
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, Vervicki is kind of Game B adjacent. He does

1347
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,039
a lot of dialogues with all of the Game B people,

1348
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:46,640
like certainly Jordan Hall. They're talking at that that particular episode,

1349
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,720
they're talking about AI governance, uh and using AI to

1350
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,399
replace human governance, and of course it's because AI is

1351
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,960
so rational, you know, we don't have to deal with

1352
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,960
messy humans and so, but I would like to remind

1353
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,680
people that this notion of AI governance, this is not

1354
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,560
a distant future kind of concept. We in almost every

1355
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,159
state in the United States they have digital governance summits.

1356
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,399
There is a portal on chat GPT which is a

1357
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,800
chat gpg dot gov and you have to be a

1358
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,079
government official to use it. We have, of course, the

1359
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:26,439
AI World Society, which says this is the centennial vision

1360
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,800
for the UN, which is a twenty forty Right there,

1361
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,760
they claim that we're going to have this AI world society,

1362
01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:37,680
and in there they say we'll supplant all human government

1363
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,640
with AI. This is a concept that now they're talking

1364
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,600
about Grock in the Pentagon Grock governance. So this is

1365
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,640
just there was the AI dot gov. I was actually

1366
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,600
on Harrison Show recently talking about this. So they started

1367
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,159
back in twenty nineteen. It was under Trump, and then

1368
01:17:56,199 --> 01:18:00,000
it went from White House dot gov a slash AI,

1369
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:03,680
and then Biden advanced a lot of the agendas around it,

1370
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,159
and it went back and forth AI doc of White

1371
01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:10,399
House stock of slash AI. Now it supposedly was going

1372
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,920
to launch July fourth, but there was a leak people

1373
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,479
like me who opened our big mouths, and so I'm

1374
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,720
not the one who discovered it, but I talked about it,

1375
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:24,520
and so they didn't actually transition it. But AI dot

1376
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,239
gov still redirects to White House STOCUV. So I mean,

1377
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:31,960
this is an agenda, clearly, and it's not in the

1378
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,159
distant future, this idea of having And then when I

1379
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:39,359
talked about these third way, you know, technocratic movements, whether

1380
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:42,359
it's game B or they have different variations of it,

1381
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,479
but it's already being utilized in many states. This notion

1382
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:50,720
of using blockchain voting like rank choice voting, right fiction voters,

1383
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:51,079
well though.

1384
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:57,199
Speaker 1: One of the hottest genres of crypto that's now so

1385
01:18:57,359 --> 01:18:59,960
like in the last this cycle, the supposed hot top

1386
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:04,560
were a last cycle that was like gaming metaverse coins.

1387
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,199
This cycle of crypto, it's RWAs and AI rt OFAs

1388
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:11,319
are real world assets, which are all the cryptos that

1389
01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:16,000
supposedly tokenized that that can tokenize everything in the world.

1390
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what you're talking about, yes, And you know,

1391
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,399
the joke I like to make is that they talk

1392
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,000
about how great it is because it can be fractionalized,

1393
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:29,159
and I point out that, you know, you would love

1394
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:32,600
to think that you could have shared assets among loved ones,

1395
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,960
family members, but there's a reason that a state lawyers exist.

1396
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:38,640
This doesn't always worked out so well. So I don't

1397
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,520
know how people think this is going to work out

1398
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:45,199
in your you know, network state with strangers, but somehow

1399
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:45,720
it's all.

1400
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,199
Speaker 1: Going to be our people that are bitcoin Maxi's also

1401
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:51,279
laugh at this because the whole point of a currency

1402
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,039
is to tokenize anything in the world that you want

1403
01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:56,960
to sell. So that's the point of whether it's gold,

1404
01:19:57,079 --> 01:20:00,119
whether it's dollars, or whether it's bitcoin. Like, that's the

1405
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,159
purpose of it is to you know, if you want

1406
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:05,000
to attach a price to the chair or to your car,

1407
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,560
that's what the currency does. And so really you don't

1408
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,079
even need this tokenization of everything in the world. So

1409
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:13,840
I would say that a lot of these are probably

1410
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,119
not that there's not a real danger, but a lot

1411
01:20:16,119 --> 01:20:19,520
of these are probably just pumping dump schemes to get people, Oh,

1412
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,960
this is the next big crypto trend in the future

1413
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,159
to tokenize all real world assets, and that's going to

1414
01:20:24,199 --> 01:20:28,399
immediately dump when the when the bull market ends.

1415
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: Well, I have a slightly darker vision of it, honestly,

1416
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:32,840
I know.

1417
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about in the short term. I think

1418
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,319
in the long term they will try to have a

1419
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,359
tokenization of all things in.

1420
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: The world for sure, and I think it'll be connected

1421
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:43,439
to your biology.

1422
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be based on like are you using too

1423
01:20:46,399 --> 01:20:47,600
much carbon? And it's kind of.

1424
01:20:48,079 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly. So yeah, I think that's the purpose

1425
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,359
of the tokenization because the ultimate control grid is through

1426
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,720
a tokenized network that is connected to the internet, NanoBio things, so.

1427
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Gotviy Klauss talked about that in the

1428
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,039
last section of his twenty eighteen book Fourth and Nuss Revolution.

1429
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:13,399
He talked about Internet of things, everything being linked in

1430
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:18,520
and everything being tokenized for the purpose of control. So

1431
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:25,520
the idea then again the Gaeian dialectic synthesis. There's a problem,

1432
01:21:26,399 --> 01:21:28,880
you either accelerate the problem or you clash it against

1433
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,920
something else, and then you have the ready made solution

1434
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:35,039
that you wanted all along. So that's the key point

1435
01:21:35,079 --> 01:21:38,000
here is that they want to blow up the old system,

1436
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,680
whether it's education, whether it's economics, whether it's the nation state,

1437
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,680
whether it's voting, all of it. Oh, look how bad

1438
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:47,920
it was. See how it was a subject to human

1439
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,439
frailty and human emotions and people, you know, corrupt to politicians.

1440
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,199
We can fix all that. The algorithms are going to

1441
01:21:56,279 --> 01:21:58,520
run at all, and it's going to be a perfect system.

1442
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I think they have to. You know

1443
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,359
what I pointed out my article that I think that

1444
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,560
this is a global plan, but I think they really

1445
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,039
want to. I use the reference of Phoenix the Republic

1446
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:13,439
in order to and then the West right, So that's

1447
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,800
why they keep using the illusion of democracy. The United

1448
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,119
States is not a democracy, so right off the bat,

1449
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:21,920
that tells you they want a revolution. But then of

1450
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,840
course the democracy concept is really important because they do

1451
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,479
want to target the West, and most of the West

1452
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,880
is democracy. And of course they want to use the

1453
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,520
blueprint of some of these surveillance states that are already

1454
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,920
set up in the East. And all of these movements

1455
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,960
talk about scalability, whether it's going to be you know,

1456
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,600
they talk about planetary scalability, that term planetary right, the

1457
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,359
planetary citizen. That's a Robert Mueller.

1458
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: Planets are faking gay, so space is faking gay, so

1459
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,520
you can't you can. I'm not it's a jug, but

1460
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,399
I will think that when I say that, who doesn't

1461
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,960
believe planet's are real? It's a dumb joke.

1462
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 2: Yes, right, well there's that too, But the planetary citizen. Actually,

1463
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,439
you know, Robert Mueller in his like two thousand that

1464
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,560
became four thousand, maybe it went on to be seven

1465
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,159
thousand ideas, I don't know. He fancied himself quite the visionary,

1466
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,039
but it was totally predicated on the worst of Alice Bailey.

1467
01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:15,159
That you know, when you talked about christ consciousness, that

1468
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:18,600
comes straight out of Alice Bailey and Madame Blavatsky, they

1469
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,800
use that term, but he his whole world core curriculum

1470
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,119
comes straight out of the Education in the New Age

1471
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:27,560
Alice Bailey's work. But he talks about in that document

1472
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,399
like I did just a quick scan and I already

1473
01:23:30,399 --> 01:23:33,159
got to close to one hundred times where he's planetary citizen.

1474
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,840
And I think it was very heavily influenced by Abraham Maslow.

1475
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Actually, Abraham madd also sounds like Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek,

1476
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,600
And somebody was talking the other day about some of

1477
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:48,600
the really really wild stuff that Gene Roddenberry was influenced by. Anyway,

1478
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:50,439
I was going.

1479
01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 2: To say, you know, very I'm sure your audience is familiar.

1480
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,560
But Abraham Maslow wrote a document that was posthumously published

1481
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,920
published and it was called Politics three. And this was

1482
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,520
his wife, Bertha, had brought it to Willis Harmon and

1483
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,840
Robert Canter, and it was right around the same time

1484
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,119
that they were doing Changing Images of Man with Stanford

1485
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:11,359
Research Institute. So I thought that was kind of interesting.

1486
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: Mas work with is a lot of people don't know.

1487
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,039
Speaker 2: Yes, And so that whole positive psychology movement which has

1488
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:21,880
a kind of ties to Game B as well, because

1489
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:25,279
Stuart Brand right right on the cover of the front

1490
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:28,159
page of that Game Be Wiki, he says, we are gods,

1491
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:30,760
we better get good at it. That was the opening

1492
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,600
for his Whole Earth magazine back in I think it

1493
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,119
was nineteen sixty eight, and then he updates it in

1494
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:38,800
twenty fifteen, we are gods, we might as well get

1495
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,199
good at it something very similar, And he's now affiliated

1496
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:45,760
with the long Now Foundation. Right the long Now does

1497
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,439
all those dialogues with people like Jonathan Hat and Jonathan

1498
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,359
Hate is kind of a you know, a disciple of

1499
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:54,479
of Abraham Maslow. Some of the younger crops are people

1500
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:59,159
like Scott Barry Kaufman, so they're using that humanist movement.

1501
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,399
Of course, a Jason to Escelin as well as the

1502
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,000
positive psychology movement usher in a lot of these ideas

1503
01:25:06,039 --> 01:25:08,399
and concepts, and Game B is very much wrapped in

1504
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:12,239
all of that. But the Document of Politics three he

1505
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,560
enters this term of holistic politics, which I very much

1506
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,800
think you was a part of what the UN ran

1507
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,520
with with their planetary politics. And in Game B they

1508
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,039
talk about planetary scale, and of course, you know, the

1509
01:25:26,319 --> 01:25:28,239
goal for the Dark Enlightenment is the same, and the

1510
01:25:28,279 --> 01:25:31,560
Network States is of course, you know, it's a worldwide vision.

1511
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I'm looking at your conclusion here. You

1512
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,640
talk about the idea of centralized crypto elites, ideological gamekeepers,

1513
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,920
and then you point out that really the only defense,

1514
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,720
and I'd totally agree, is that mental liberty, cognitive liberty,

1515
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:54,159
you know, self sovereignty is really the only option here.

1516
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:00,359
And that I mean just even the Internet off and

1517
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,880
spending so much we've Jamie and I've been talking about

1518
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,920
this this week, just how much time we spend on

1519
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,000
the Internet, even though yeah, it's our job, you know,

1520
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,840
it's how we make a living, but even that is,

1521
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,439
like I feel like it's just way too much, and

1522
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:20,239
there's a real danger. I think that the Internet itself

1523
01:26:20,399 --> 01:26:26,880
is this potential future you know, octopus monstrosity that will

1524
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,399
basically it's a web spider's web. I know that's kind

1525
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:33,359
of a cornball analogy, but it's like I'm almost starting

1526
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:36,840
to think that, like, you know, when we're able to retire,

1527
01:26:38,079 --> 01:26:41,159
you know, maybe we should just try to spend as

1528
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:43,640
the future will be a new set of elites who

1529
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,199
actually don't spend much time on the Internet. How's that?

1530
01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 2: I think so well, we already have even the tech

1531
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,600
elites who won't let their children.

1532
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: On the terry exactly. And I mean this, yeah, this

1533
01:26:54,039 --> 01:26:56,279
came out with like Steve Jobs, right, he wouldn't let

1534
01:26:56,319 --> 01:26:57,600
his kids even look at an iPad.

1535
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know my husband dreams of the day when

1536
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:06,520
we are off the grid. That's very much is a fantasy.

1537
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,279
So hopefully we can make that a reality at some

1538
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:10,359
point in the future. The other metaphor that I use

1539
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,920
is of the phoenix. And part of how I found

1540
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,560
out about Game B was because Brett Weinstein did this

1541
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,760
very interesting speech with the Rescue of the Republic and

1542
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,079
again to talk about very deceptive types of movements. Right,

1543
01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:25,239
we had the medical freedom movement, which he was a

1544
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:28,880
huge part of, and you know, the freedom movement in general.

1545
01:27:29,039 --> 01:27:31,960
That people perceive him as being a right winger, and

1546
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,680
he is a very progressive self admittedly, you know, ideologically.

1547
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never understood why that people would think he's

1548
01:27:39,039 --> 01:27:41,039
a right winger. It's like it's like if you speak

1549
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:43,479
out on one topic, oh is it right? Like like

1550
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,840
Bill Maher is suddenly a right winger now because he

1551
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,840
I don't know, said one thing about the left being crazy.

1552
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,600
That doesn't make you right winger because the left's crazy.

1553
01:27:52,399 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's I think that was a huge

1554
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,239
part of I know this isn't popular, but I said

1555
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,399
this pretty early on in my whole podcast thing that

1556
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:04,720
the whole woke anti woke was a dialectical operation. Intentionally,

1557
01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:07,960
it's to trap people in that conversation because a lot

1558
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,479
of the people who were anti woke, it's not that

1559
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,319
they were conservative or you know, in any fashion, it's

1560
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,079
just that, you know, they argued very logical things like, yeah,

1561
01:28:17,079 --> 01:28:18,960
a woman's a woman, man's a man, and why are

1562
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,119
we discussing craziness?

1563
01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, if that's far right, that's just insane.

1564
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,800
I mean, dialectics is just all the time at work

1565
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,439
in this in this nonsense, because reality is complex, it's nuanced,

1566
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:34,000
and you know, human nature prefers ease and simplicity. It's lazy,

1567
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:35,800
it doesn't want to get into things that are nuanced,

1568
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,479
and what's a very simple or who's the good guy,

1569
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,279
who's the bad guy? That's that's all they want.

1570
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 2: Exactly, and they want you to distill it for them.

1571
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,239
So he did this speech at the rescue of the Republic,

1572
01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:48,199
which was this kind of like medical freedom and Jason

1573
01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:51,520
type of movement. And then at the end of the

1574
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,319
speech he makes this statement which was very strange to me.

1575
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,720
He's talking about the West through the whole statement, which

1576
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,399
is strange at a rescue the Republic, right, it's supposed

1577
01:29:02,399 --> 01:29:04,720
to be about the United States of America, where it's

1578
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,920
not the whole West. Not that I don't you know,

1579
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,960
support the West, but you know, this is and obviously

1580
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,119
we grew out of the West, but it's the Republic,

1581
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:15,640
and so that's very specific. And he keeps talking about

1582
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,520
the West, not the Republic. But he ends the speech

1583
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,159
with about five minutes talk and he starts his you know,

1584
01:29:21,359 --> 01:29:24,079
entry to the conclusion is that we have to phoenix

1585
01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:27,479
the Republic. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what

1586
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,439
does you mean by this? You know, that's that's a

1587
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,119
strange statement. And he goes on to say how we

1588
01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:34,760
have basically have to tear it down and you know,

1589
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,520
build it up because of the you know, because of

1590
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,119
the trajectory that we're on, and he uses the whole

1591
01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:46,560
evolutionary biology analogy of how you know, when biology we

1592
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,319
have this uh, you know, genetic traits that are passed through, uh,

1593
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,800
you know, the these species, and but we don't have

1594
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,239
that now, so we need to tear down and basically

1595
01:29:57,239 --> 01:29:59,199
tear it down so we can build back better. But

1596
01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:02,000
I had looked, it's a rumor, and I cannot find

1597
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:06,039
the video, so I can't corroborate this. But apparently a

1598
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:09,119
year earlier it would make sense. Again, this is hearsay,

1599
01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:10,760
so I don't know if it's true, but I do

1600
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,920
know it is true that he was a keynote speaker

1601
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,720
at this United Independence which, by the way, is Christopher Life,

1602
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:19,920
who is the founder of this United Independence movement, which

1603
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,600
encompasses people like Andrew Yang and the Forward Party and

1604
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,560
lots of other quote unquote independent movements which are not

1605
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,720
really independent at all. But Christopher Life is a game

1606
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,760
be advocate and also worth noting very tied in with

1607
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:38,119
Charles Eisenstein sacred economics, which is where tokenized economics is

1608
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:42,159
going under the spiritual kind of concept of sacred economic

1609
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:48,800
and Charles Ezenstein was also the running Arf Case campaign,

1610
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:54,039
and so that's fourth noting. And in this United Independence

1611
01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:58,920
twenty twenty three, supposedly the title of Brett Weinstein's keynote

1612
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:03,600
speech was what was it the self governance and Phoenix

1613
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,039
and the Republic. Now again I can't corroborate that's the

1614
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,000
name of the speech, but in my article I do

1615
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:11,640
have a picture of the phoenix. In this twenty twenty

1616
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,159
three you have to go to the way back because

1617
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:15,760
it's kind of paywallt now the site of it. He

1618
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,279
talks about independence rising above the ashes a failing system,

1619
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,079
and I just so I saw this in the Independent.

1620
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,239
You know, it's what I call indie sphere. It's really

1621
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:28,760
non truly independent. For those who aren't familiar with my

1622
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,640
reference on this, it's that I come from a film background,

1623
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,359
and in the film industry it's very different now because

1624
01:31:35,399 --> 01:31:38,119
of the distribution models have completely changed. But you know,

1625
01:31:38,199 --> 01:31:40,560
back in the day, you had kind of the big

1626
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,760
like Hollywood studios and obviously these are your big blockbuster films,

1627
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,920
and you know, huge hundred you know, multiple hundred million

1628
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,199
dollar projects, and then you had like truly independent. So

1629
01:31:51,279 --> 01:31:54,439
this might be a student film, this might be somebody

1630
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,279
in their basement to scramble together resources and some cash

1631
01:31:58,359 --> 01:32:01,039
and made a project, and you had what I called

1632
01:32:01,079 --> 01:32:04,399
what we're called indie films, and these might be five

1633
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,960
one to twenty million dollar project. I don't know about you,

1634
01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:10,319
but you know, if I want to make a film,

1635
01:32:10,359 --> 01:32:12,399
I don't have even one million dollars in my back

1636
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,640
pocket to do you know, a vanity project. I just don't,

1637
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,600
and most people don't. So oftentimes what happened was these

1638
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:24,119
quote unquote indie projects were backed and they became a

1639
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:27,319
propaganda vehicles. Now I'm not saying the artists knew that

1640
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,600
or that they were wittingly advancing some sort of a

1641
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,960
propaganda machine, but the people who were investing in them

1642
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,199
were investing in them for those purposes. And then seeing

1643
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:41,520
this replicated in the media right now, where we have

1644
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,039
a lot of people who look independent, but they're getting

1645
01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:48,520
funding and they're inde So whether it's being propped up

1646
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,119
through algorithms, it's also it's often a hybrid, you know,

1647
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:56,199
of modalities, so you know, that's a you know, it's

1648
01:32:56,399 --> 01:32:58,479
a combination of things. It's not usually just one thing.

1649
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,159
Sometimes it is like, oh, they're backed by foreign interests

1650
01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:04,159
and they're they're pumped up. It's usually not quite that simple.

1651
01:33:04,199 --> 01:33:07,399
It's usually much more nuanced than that. However, I saw

1652
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,920
in this this indie sphere of the media. These people

1653
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,239
who keep talking about the two party you know, illusion

1654
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:16,560
how there's a problem with the two party system. Now

1655
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,279
I'm not saying that they're not correct. Even George Washington

1656
01:33:19,359 --> 01:33:21,800
warned us against the two but they're going to.

1657
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,239
Speaker 1: Give you the false solution because it's a.

1658
01:33:24,199 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 2: Real problem, yes, exactly. And that's what I'm seeing with this.

1659
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,800
And so now to see that this United Independence is

1660
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,960
actually using the symbol of the phoenix, they're saying, and

1661
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,199
they're actually calling it Operation Phoenix, and they're using the

1662
01:33:38,279 --> 01:33:41,640
whole agenda is to flood Congress in twenty twenty six

1663
01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:46,359
with quote unquote independence. And these independents again are you know,

1664
01:33:46,399 --> 01:33:50,479
people who support things like using blockchain voting and UBIS

1665
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:55,359
and so it's it's technocratic even though it seems more socialists,

1666
01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:57,159
but it's scientific socialism, which.

1667
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,199
Speaker 1: Is yeah exactly. Guys, won't remind you that we have

1668
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1675
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:21,760
a transhumanist deity. It's only twenty three bitcoin right now.

1676
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,920
I'm just kidding. We don't have that. That's a joke.

1677
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:28,960
I wanted to blow your minds with the fake products.

1678
01:34:29,319 --> 01:34:31,439
And people always ask about that ad. They're like, why

1679
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,159
do you have that weird ad of the guy talking

1680
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:38,159
about chalk with the Indian voice and the woman's voice.

1681
01:34:38,319 --> 01:34:41,680
That's a joke ad on purpose that the Chalk dude

1682
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,920
made because we thought it was funny. So yes, it's

1683
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,880
a real ad, but it's a joke, real ad, so

1684
01:34:47,079 --> 01:34:49,960
it's levels of meta that nobody's even gonna understand. Spireau

1685
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:54,199
Fhiloropolis twenty pounds. He says, this is timely. I hope

1686
01:34:54,199 --> 01:34:56,359
people are paying attention to this. On my streams, I

1687
01:34:56,399 --> 01:35:00,760
go over how these people infect the world that we

1688
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:05,840
write as programmers. It's very insidious. It's literally in their code.

1689
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:10,600
Stay safe, Yeah, I think that. Like even Jack Dorsey

1690
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,479
had this interesting comment. He said that it's not really

1691
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,640
AI that we should be worried about in the sense

1692
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,439
of what's the danger right now? It's that the algorithms

1693
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,720
are controlling and steering you into what they want you

1694
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:26,279
to see, what they want you to know, and shuttling

1695
01:35:26,279 --> 01:35:28,159
away anything that they don't want to see it. So,

1696
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:31,600
actually we're governed by algorithms, and I mean AI is

1697
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,000
basically that too. But I mean that's the problem here,

1698
01:35:34,079 --> 01:35:37,000
is like it's eventually going to shut out anything that

1699
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,560
they don't want in the discord.

1700
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:40,399
Speaker 2: Algocracy.

1701
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,039
Speaker 1: Oh there exactly straight why mailfa dollars? By the way,

1702
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:46,920
support the stream if you guys want to with super chats,

1703
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,560
you can send superchests natively through YouTube or through stream labs.

1704
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,159
The link is linked there at the top of the chat.

1705
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,800
This check is awesome, she gets it. Well, you have

1706
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:01,079
a huge fan there, Courteney and straight white male Gary G.

1707
01:36:01,279 --> 01:36:03,920
Five dollars. Please have Courtney show some more of her

1708
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,560
books that she's read on this topic that are recent.

1709
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,880
For example, does she have books on Plan B, dark

1710
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,119
Enlightenment or anything like that?

1711
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:17,239
Speaker 2: All right, so game B is Game B does not

1712
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:20,479
have books, But there are a lot of people in

1713
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,600
the movement and they have books, so you know some

1714
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,760
of the people and they have no shortage of podcasts.

1715
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,439
If that's your thing. They do dialgos, so I would

1716
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:33,560
probably start with I did do a three and a

1717
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,600
half hour presentation, so if long presentations are your thing,

1718
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,279
I did it for Rising Tide Foundation on Game B.

1719
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:43,039
And so that's a kind of an overview and be

1720
01:36:43,119 --> 01:36:47,039
from my perspective, which is admittedly a critical perspective on

1721
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:51,439
Game B, but it's pretty extensive. Then in that presentation,

1722
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,760
I showed half of a film that you can go

1723
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,000
watch the full length film, and I recommend if this

1724
01:36:57,039 --> 01:36:58,880
is something you're curious about, that you check it out.

1725
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,760
It's on the STOA, which is a Game B kind

1726
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,880
of a forum. They do other things as well, but

1727
01:37:05,079 --> 01:37:08,640
the STOA on YouTube, and they have a film it's

1728
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,479
I think it's eighteen nineteen minutes and it's called Initiation

1729
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,720
to Game B. As if that doesn't say everything, it's

1730
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,600
an initiation to Game B. And so you can watch

1731
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,840
that film. That'll give you a really good kind of

1732
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,920
overview of what Game B is. There's Jim Rutt, so

1733
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,239
I would look at he's got a lot. They love medium,

1734
01:37:28,319 --> 01:37:30,760
so they use medium as their platform. There's he has

1735
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,520
a Journey to Game B where he outlines it. He's

1736
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,600
I think he started it maybe twenty eighteen, but he's

1737
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,199
updated it since and it's pretty extensive. It's very long,

1738
01:37:40,399 --> 01:37:43,159
it's interesting. In it, he predicts that the proto game

1739
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:46,159
b's are going to be in twenty forty, which I

1740
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:49,159
think is really interesting. I'm sorry, twenty forty five, which

1741
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:51,760
I think is really interesting because right, that's the AI

1742
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:57,279
world society. That is also the Singularity, Right, that's he says,

1743
01:37:57,319 --> 01:37:59,880
that's when the proto games are going to murder. I

1744
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:03,399
just think that's a it was an interesting time marker. Uh.

1745
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,000
So there's that. You can look at a lot of

1746
01:38:06,039 --> 01:38:10,479
his writing, mostly in those that format medium. Uh. There

1747
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,439
is also Jordan Hall. He has deep Code and he's

1748
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:17,479
both on medium and substack. His Sibyan project I will

1749
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,760
give you a really good understanding of game b. Uh.

1750
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:26,279
There's also Daniel Schmockenberger. Interestingly enough, a bunch of these people,

1751
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,680
the game b people are actually members of the Club

1752
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,880
of Rome. We've got Zach Stein, We've got Noura Basin.

1753
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:35,800
Nora Bason is the daughter of Gregory and Gregory bateson

1754
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:41,000
Mead and so there there's also the Office of the Future.

1755
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

1756
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 2: This is the institute that was created under Barbara Marx,

1757
01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:51,439
Barbara Marx Hubbard and the uh what do they call

1758
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:55,159
the cosmo erotic Humanists. The three of them the trio

1759
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,760
make up David Temple, which was this you know, pseudonym

1760
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,800
that they created in order not to have any kind

1761
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:06,319
of rivalry, right so that it could be a collaborative

1762
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:11,199
high mind project essentially, And that's zach Stein. Kenneth Wilburg.

1763
01:39:11,279 --> 01:39:15,039
Kenneth Wilber is another big one, his integral theory, integral platform.

1764
01:39:15,079 --> 01:39:17,920
He's written several books as well, so you can read

1765
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,279
his work. And then of course Danish Schmanckenberger was the

1766
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:24,560
other one. So there are many more game b people,

1767
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:26,359
but those are some of the big ones who have

1768
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,479
done quite a bit of writing as well as dialoguing

1769
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,039
and podcasting. So you can look at there where Curtis

1770
01:39:32,119 --> 01:39:36,000
Jarvin has no shortage of written material. You can get

1771
01:39:36,039 --> 01:39:39,640
his online Unqualified Reservations going all the way back to

1772
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,680
two thousand and seven. You can actually buy the book.

1773
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,479
I think I have links to it in my article,

1774
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:47,279
but it's all online for free as well if you

1775
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,760
prefer that. Some of it is on the way back machine,

1776
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,520
because I think you know, things like when the alternative

1777
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:58,239
to the humane alternative to genocide are not so popular

1778
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:01,800
ideas now some of this seem to be you know,

1779
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,079
taken off, but he has that. He also has this

1780
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:08,279
Gray Mirror substack, which is more recent, and he has

1781
01:40:08,399 --> 01:40:11,680
copious writings there which will give you really a lot

1782
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,720
of insight into his work. Nick Land does have some books.

1783
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:18,640
He also has his Xenosystems blogs that goes back at

1784
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:22,960
least a decade, and he has now Gothic Zeno is

1785
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,920
his updated version of that. So and then Belaji Shrina

1786
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,439
Boston has the Network State Book. It's both available online

1787
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:33,640
and in kindle form. So and then all of the

1788
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:38,479
people are you know who? They're ideological and intellectual mentors.

1789
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,680
Obviously I could probably compile a whole list, but that's

1790
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,279
probably a good start for people. I know that was long.

1791
01:40:46,319 --> 01:40:49,279
Speaker 1: Jamel says, for ten dollars, how do we guard against influencers?

1792
01:40:49,319 --> 01:40:51,239
I used to listen to Red Scare and I saw

1793
01:40:51,239 --> 01:40:53,560
it turned the right over the years. Well, I mean,

1794
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,760
I don't know. I mean, I mean, I don't know

1795
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,600
in the regards I never listened to Red Scares, So

1796
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,279
I don't know what. I don't doubt that, but I'm saying,

1797
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,079
how do you guard against it? Just guard your mind, dude,

1798
01:41:07,159 --> 01:41:10,800
guard your Internet time Spireau the Master Programmer ten dollars.

1799
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,840
If you look at AI and the code and the

1800
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,680
mathematical science behind it, AI can never be sentient and

1801
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,479
not buy into Yeah, we totally agree with that. Jam

1802
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,319
Al twenty dollars. What about Protestantism is an attractor of

1803
01:41:22,399 --> 01:41:26,640
these intellectuals like Jordan hall Well, Protestism is very uh

1804
01:41:27,039 --> 01:41:30,199
di I y. I mean anybody can be a Protestant minister,

1805
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:32,520
starts your own church, open up a so it's very

1806
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:37,800
amenable to a business model kind of Christianity.

1807
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 2: I think he's actually a Baptist. I don't know if

1808
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,640
that falls under Protestantism.

1809
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,560
Speaker 1: But I think Baptists are Protestants. I mean everything that's

1810
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:50,600
you know, not Catholic or Orthodox, therefore Protestant by necessity

1811
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:57,279
because it all comes out of the Reformation historically. Is

1812
01:41:57,399 --> 01:42:01,199
Orthodoxy inoculated to this No, I mean anybody is susceptible

1813
01:42:01,239 --> 01:42:04,000
to falling into any kind of error, So you're not

1814
01:42:04,079 --> 01:42:07,119
inoculated just because you're Orthodox that you wouldn't fall into

1815
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:12,399
subversion or deception or ignorance. I mean everybody is susceptible

1816
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:14,439
to this straight white male ten dollars.

1817
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 2: Discord Peter and sorry Peter Cheel and Drew and Hall.

1818
01:42:18,079 --> 01:42:22,319
We're both referencing Orthodox, I think, to try and deceive

1819
01:42:23,079 --> 01:42:24,239
Orthodox Christians.

1820
01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:26,039
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was curious. I don't know if he

1821
01:42:26,199 --> 01:42:29,079
meant Some people were actually wondering if he meant referring

1822
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:31,880
to like David Patrick carry because Daved Patrick Carey did

1823
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,159
finish his PhD. And it was on a tech and

1824
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:41,439
transhumanism in Christianity. I don't know whether Teal meant Orthodox

1825
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,520
Eastern Orthodox Christianity, or if you just meant little o

1826
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:48,600
like fundamentalist Orthodox. So sometimes Orthodox is used in the

1827
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:52,600
sense of anybody that believes that their position versus the

1828
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,760
Orthodox Church as an institution. I don't know which one

1829
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,199
he meant. Straight white male ten dollars. Does Courtney think

1830
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:04,199
that people we'll be using Christian nationalism as a vehicle

1831
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:08,800
to subvert an accurate form of Christian nationalism.

1832
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:13,039
Speaker 2: Yes, I think very much so. I think this movement

1833
01:43:13,239 --> 01:43:16,800
is subversive in nature. I think that that is the purpose.

1834
01:43:17,039 --> 01:43:20,159
But they're really their their primary target right now is

1835
01:43:20,199 --> 01:43:22,640
to subvert the constitution, subvert America.

1836
01:43:25,359 --> 01:43:27,319
Speaker 1: Guys be sure and follow Courtney. I'll have all of

1837
01:43:27,319 --> 01:43:31,159
her links below. We've been linking of course, her subsec

1838
01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:35,520
in the chat as we've been covering it, and Courtney

1839
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,079
you can find her over on Twitter. You can find

1840
01:43:38,079 --> 01:43:40,840
her on I'll have all that below. We're not going

1841
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,119
to say the R word here on YouTube because we

1842
01:43:43,159 --> 01:43:46,760
know that YouTube doesn't like the R word. But Courtney,

1843
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:48,840
anything else you want to leave us with. I know

1844
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:50,479
that you've got a book that's going to be coming

1845
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,039
out soon. When is that going to be available? I

1846
01:43:52,119 --> 01:43:54,960
definitely want to read that, and I think you should

1847
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,319
probably take this subsecment Heial and put that into a book.

1848
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,560
Speaker 2: Well, I am actually I have been approached. I don't

1849
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:04,880
know if I can quite say, but we'll call him

1850
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,239
the living expert on technocracy. People who know will know

1851
01:44:07,279 --> 01:44:11,640
who that is. He's actually asked me to collaborate. We've

1852
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:17,640
both written outlines already, so we're meeting tomorrow to move

1853
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:21,119
forward on that on this particular piece. So that is

1854
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:24,720
in the works and my book on Hegel's Dialectic and

1855
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,520
astick Jacob Flatter. I'm hoping to have that done by

1856
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,479
September that I have a preview of it up on

1857
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,359
my substack currently, so you want to sneak peak of

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it that's available there, but hopefully by September. What else

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is there going to say? I do think that I

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just want to add one more thing on the Christian nationalism.

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And I'm not a theological expert obviously that I will

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defer to you on that, but I would say that

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I don't see their the ideology and even the theology

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that they're presenting as being commensurate with Christianity. This is

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a very forceful movement. This is a tricky put much

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more bluntly than yeah, than I would have but yes, exactly,

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that's how I And also, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, Courtney has done many interviews with our buddy

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Matthew Era, so shout out to Matthew. I saw that you.

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You just have a recent post up there Darwin's Trojan

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Horse with Matthew, and Matthew does a lot of great works,

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so people can go check out Matthew and Courtney's stuff

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and Courtney's substect And I just.

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Speaker 2: Did a presentation on this actually yes yesterday the day

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before on this article for and we're having another round

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table this weekend. So cool. The one other thing I

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will add is people if they haven't, I won't give

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it away, but if you haven't seen the movie, what

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is it? Megan?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Jamie and I thought it was pretty funny, like

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in a like it it was, I mean, it was

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a horror movie. It was kind of tongue in cheek silly.

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But yeah, we watched it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I thought it was funny and like a

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Buffy the Vampire Slayer kind of way, like very much

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that kind of humor exactly. Yeah, but a lot of

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these themes and it ends with actually like a game

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be term. I won't give it away for people who

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want to watch it, but.

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Speaker 1: It's literally are you talking about the one that came

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out a couple of years ago or the newer re Megan?

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Speaker 2: The new one?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, we haven't seen that one yet.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, so they literally end it with like game

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B terminal.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, now I'm gonna say it too. Also, and

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movies are always very important to the propaganda because that's

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what reaches a lot of the masses. At least for

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maybe now video games are going to take over movies,

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I don't know, but at least we still kind of

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have movies as an important cultural programming phenomena. Guys, I

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will be speaking at the Ludlow Orthodox Conference up there

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in d C. Stafford, Virginia. You can get the tickets

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in the show description. I linked it in the chat

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as well. You can also support me by getting the book,

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which I don't think it'll be ready in July because

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I'm having to do some revisions, so it might be

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September four esoterically with three the books don't I just

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had to rewrite some paragraphs and some sections that were

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they Chris was was right. They were not very well written.

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They needed to be they needed to be readone so

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we got most of that ironed out. I just have

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one last thing to do and then he'll make those

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corrections and hopefully we can get the book out as

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soon as possible. You can, of course, get all the

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other books. We are still behind on book orders, so

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you don't have to message me. I know that you

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guys want your books. I'm going to get them to

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you as quick as possible. I promise you the book

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is done. It will be I mean, for the most

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part it's done. I have to rewrite some sections, but

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I think you guys are gonna like us start Clay

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with three. It's a little bit different, but some of

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the same. It's enough of the same that you'll like it.

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So get your copies of that and get to take

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us to the Ludwell Orthodox Conference. According to do you

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have any engagements or events you're doing anytime soon?

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Speaker 2: I want to have one more thing very quickly on

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the other theme that I noticed through all of this,

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So we talked about the kind of like relativism and constructivism.

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The other kind of underlining theme I see in all

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of this is self apotheosis. So it is very much

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aligned with this is what my book is going to

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be about. You know, the gnostic Jacobs Ladder. It really

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is like that's ah, you know, the technological imminicization of

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the esquton is all about making you know that you're

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you're your own God. So I see that throughout everything.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I just working on getting these these

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out and uh, yeah we're you know, get back to

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the show and yeah, follow me at Courtneyturner dot com.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, And you're on Twitter too, right, Like are you

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more active on any platform over any other platform? Like

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what does it you have like a home base where

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everybody can really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm pretty active on Twitter at Corney Turner my name.

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I just felt like courton Ay, so it is Courtney,

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but Courtenay Turner. I'm pretty active on there. I am

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on Instagram as well, and I'm pretty active there, but

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I don't post as much of the uh you know,

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this type of work just because they they don't love

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me as much. I don't know that any of them

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love me, but you know, so I post more of

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like my fitness content there, more health wellness kind of stuff.

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Do post some of this type of material, but I'm

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definitely active on there as well, and Substack. I'm very

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active on there with all of my articles and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So awesome, right well, thank you Courtney a great interview,

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and everybody be sure and follow her and check out

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her materials.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,