Speaker 1: The bizarre part of Schindler's list is as Stanley Kubrick said,
Speaker 1: only Steven could make a movie at the Holocaust that
Speaker 1: has a happy ending.
Speaker 2: He got a funny joke for it. What about the
Speaker 2: other colla?
Speaker 1: He was a little older. You know, you look like
Speaker 1: the Marlboro man. Oh yeah, but maybe I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, because he smoked a lot of Marlborough's.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, like a subconscious type of thing.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that can happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hey, they said they were going to the Twin Cities.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that useful to you?
Speaker 3: Oh you betcha? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it's the middle of August, It's the middle of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Convention, and it's glop culture. I'm John pon
Speaker 1: Horts in New York with Rob Long also in New York,
Speaker 1: Hi Rob, Hi, John, and Jonah Goldberg in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Hi, Joe, Uh hey, John? How are you?
Speaker 1: I am? I am ready to take the field with
Speaker 1: coach Walls. I'm inspired. I'm going to start a gay
Speaker 1: club that he can be the faculty advisor of. I'm
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: Mow out of town.
Speaker 4: The Federalist is just going to quote John Fodor saying
Speaker 4: I'm going to start a gay club.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to mow his lawn when he's out
Speaker 1: of town. And I'm going to ignore the fact that
Speaker 1: for the last eighteen years I've been a working politician,
Speaker 1: because that's of no interest to anybody when it comes
Speaker 1: to politics. As the vice president of the United States,
Speaker 1: I will be America's best small town assistant coach.
Speaker 2: Ever. Well, actually it's a pretty good definition of vice president.
Speaker 1: By the way, Well, you know you got to point there.
Speaker 2: I mean, he might have cracked the code. What do
Speaker 2: what should you be doing a vice the United States?
Speaker 2: You should be coaching Little League or something, or you know,
Speaker 2: be as faculty advisor to some high school club.
Speaker 4: Hey, by the way, since you mentioned vice president, this
Speaker 4: is something John and I both talked about back during
Speaker 4: the Bearisma. I No, this's not on here. It's like
Speaker 4: either a commentary or text or whatever. But like, so
Speaker 4: you guys like talk to when I'm not around.
Speaker 2: Lives outside of this podcast. And didn't we invite you?
Speaker 1: Didn't you know we had.
Speaker 2: I didn't get ye. Remember we were talking about on
Speaker 2: the bat do you have.
Speaker 1: What do you guys?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: Wait, wait you guys, but I oh, I meant meant to.
Speaker 1: I think it went to your junk like junk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a kick in the junk what it is
Speaker 2: club that John started.
Speaker 4: We were talking about how like these guys in Coazakhstan
Speaker 4: or wherever they kept thinking. They kept talking as if
Speaker 4: and so did all of the Republicans trying to get
Speaker 4: the goods on Biden talking about the vice president being
Speaker 4: the second most powerful politician in America.
Speaker 1: Had the scam, right, that's right, I heard a scam
Speaker 1: of the Biden crime family. Right, is that they seduced
Speaker 1: morons outside the borders of the United States, and the
Speaker 1: thinking that the vice president States had any power. It
Speaker 1: was like I have my brother ten million dollars. Sure, oh,
Speaker 1: here you go, here's ten million dollars.
Speaker 2: But we are very lucky we have the vice president
Speaker 2: of the United States in our pocket.
Speaker 4: I've been hearing this about uh Kamala Harris all week
Speaker 4: from like various sort of slate queen boosters. She's the
Speaker 4: second most powerful person in America, and it's like she's
Speaker 4: not even the.
Speaker 1: Twentieth most powerful person in America. That's what's interesting. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's like in every cabinet secretary has more power
Speaker 1: than the vice president of the United States.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Also, it's not to get to encroach too far into
Speaker 4: commentary territory. But Schumer this week did that thing again
Speaker 4: where he talked about himself being the highest ranking Jew
Speaker 4: in American history.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just the.
Speaker 4: Way he says it, like, yeah, like he broke he
Speaker 4: was elected, he was he.
Speaker 1: Of the of Like he's elected by twenty six people.
Speaker 2: Basically he's also he also says it, just which is.
Speaker 1: More than elected than elected Kamala Harris has had more
Speaker 1: votes cast for him in the caucus of the Senate
Speaker 1: than Kamala Harris as yet had cast for her in
Speaker 1: a presidential bid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the cent a majority leader is not a
Speaker 4: constitutional position, you know, like, uh, it's not in the
Speaker 4: line of succession for the president. It's just this like
Speaker 4: who says that the governor of Pennsylvania isn't a more
Speaker 4: powerful sure politician or the governor of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for that matter, I do.
Speaker 2: Like it's the highest ranking Wow, that's you know, you
Speaker 2: know I talk about Lemons lemonade.
Speaker 1: All right, can I just read you something from the
Speaker 1: Times of Israel last night? This is so, of course,
Speaker 1: as we're talking. There's still this fantasy that there's going
Speaker 1: to be some kind of a ceasefire hostage deal that
Speaker 1: is not going to happen, which has basically been pushed
Speaker 1: by the Biden White House and base. What Israel has
Speaker 1: done in responses to go, sure, sure, whatever you say,
Speaker 1: Sure we agree, we agree with you. Let's make a deal, right,
Speaker 1: because of course Hamas is not going to agree to anything.
Speaker 1: But here is the lead of the Times of Israel story.
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Anaho spoke with US President Joe Biden
Speaker 1: by phone on Wednesday's efforts to reach a hostage shield
Speaker 1: floundered after recent optimism that breakthrough was in the work.
Speaker 1: So remember that the reason that we had this optimism
Speaker 1: is that, among other things, Joe Biden, in his speech
Speaker 1: on Monday night, said I wrote a peace treaty, which
Speaker 1: you know is like what he write the Treaty of Ghent.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's old enough to have written
Speaker 1: the Treaty of Ghent, but I mean he wrote a
Speaker 1: peace treaty. Anyway, here's the second paragraph. Vice President Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: the Democratic presidential candidate, also joined the call. According to
Speaker 1: the White House, During the call, Biden quote stressed the
Speaker 1: urgency of bringing the ceasefire and hostage release deal to
Speaker 1: closure and discussed up Timington, Cox and Cairo to remove
Speaker 1: any remaining obstacle. The White House said in a readout
Speaker 1: of the conversation, So why am I this up? Because
Speaker 1: Biden is on some bullshit call with Nett Yellow and
Speaker 1: she's saying we got to steal done, and Bibie's going okay,
Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris is on the phone going we must
Speaker 1: be unburdened by what has been and being again said
Speaker 1: what is done? Because they're just trying to say, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, she's on the call. She matters, She's
Speaker 1: really really important to this here.
Speaker 2: It's always the problem with the vice president running.
Speaker 1: You know who wasn't on the call, Kamala Harris. I
Speaker 1: would wager money Kamala Harris was not on the call.
Speaker 1: The way when you listen to the convention, then I'll
Speaker 1: stop ranting. The way you listen to the convention. It's
Speaker 1: like I've known Kamala Harris for twenty years, my friend
Speaker 1: Tim Walls, and you know that most of these people
Speaker 1: have literally never met each other. They're like doing the
Speaker 1: duet with Frank Sinatra where they're in the other studio
Speaker 1: singing the duet with Frank Sinatra, who was like lying
Speaker 1: on a gurney because he is basically near death. They
Speaker 1: don't know Kamala Harris. They don't know.
Speaker 2: They were at a conference with her once. That's usually
Speaker 2: what it is. I've been friends with her since the
Speaker 2: Democratic Attorney General's Association meeting that I had a twenty
Speaker 2: minute speech I gave and then left. We both waited
Speaker 2: for the same elevator. Yeah, yeah, And I was angry
Speaker 2: because I didn't know who she was and why was
Speaker 2: the elevator not just for me.
Speaker 1: I've told you, I told you, Yeah, I told you
Speaker 1: as a kid that I got trapped at an elevator
Speaker 1: with Art Carney, didn't I And I told this story.
Speaker 2: I can hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My friend Michael lived in the same building as
Speaker 1: Art Carney in the elevator. He got in the elevator.
Speaker 1: It was ten thirty in the morning. It was like
Speaker 1: Christmas vacation. The elevator broke down. Arc Corney was in
Speaker 1: the elevator. Don't worry, boys, Everything's gonna be fine. And
Speaker 1: he was reeking of gin like at ten thirty in
Speaker 1: the morning. So it's kind of sad. It's like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, then then I could then accept our
Speaker 1: Carney's oscar. That's what this is like. It's like my
Speaker 1: friend Carneys asked me.
Speaker 2: A lovely man.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel that way.
Speaker 2: I feel that way. That two I had two encounters
Speaker 2: and two people I don't really know. I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: Jennifer Aniston and Jake Jillenhall. These are separate encounters. But
Speaker 2: in both cases, I was waiting outside of a restaurant.
Speaker 2: Jake Jillenhall story I think I might have told you
Speaker 2: already is actually quite sweet. Is outside of the restaurant
Speaker 2: in Malibu with my dog. We had just been going
Speaker 2: to beach and so that I think it was heat
Speaker 2: that I know she go the dog. I was wet
Speaker 2: and kind of you know, and I was getting a
Speaker 2: muffin and coffee, and Jennifer Aniston came up and said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, your dog's beautiful. And I said, oh,
Speaker 2: don't careful because if you get too close, she's gonna shake,
Speaker 2: and she's covered in sand and seawater. And then Jennifer
Speaker 2: and said, I don't care. And then she went up
Speaker 2: to my dog and she was wasty to my dog.
Speaker 2: That was our full, full, real personal encounter which I Ranison,
Speaker 2: who I now, by the way.
Speaker 1: Is one of your closest friends.
Speaker 2: Love and adoor and I will I mean she she
Speaker 2: really could do anything. And I'd say, let taste. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you a story about Jennifer and Aison you
Speaker 2: may not know, and then I'll tell them that. So
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's how it happens. That is that's
Speaker 2: how it's supposed to work. You know. The small I
Speaker 2: had a friend who worked was an intern is a
Speaker 2: million billion years ago for Senator Alan Cranston, who was
Speaker 2: the Center from California for many years. Apparently truly a
Speaker 2: loathsome character, but whatever. And his his job as an
Speaker 2: internet was Kranton was giving a speech somewhere at one
Speaker 2: of these DC ballrooms and he's get to give the
Speaker 2: speech and then he had to go, and the elevator
Speaker 2: was in the back of the room, right, so the
Speaker 2: elevator opened up the ballroom. And his only job, my
Speaker 2: friend's only job was at this point in the speech,
Speaker 2: you need to press for the elevator and you need
Speaker 2: to hold the elevator here because at the end of
Speaker 2: the speech, the senator is going to walk down from
Speaker 2: the ballroom, shake hands and then get in the elevator
Speaker 2: and go. What you don't want is for him to
Speaker 2: wait at the back of the room after the applause,
Speaker 2: awkwardly waiting to leave the room. So you just got
Speaker 2: a whole the elevator, which he forgot to do. And
Speaker 2: so Grantson gave the speech and there was applause, and
Speaker 2: it is the great and he made his way down
Speaker 2: the aisle and he said he saw then he saw
Speaker 2: on the senator's face that there was a problem, which
Speaker 2: was that there was no elevator there, and he began
Speaker 2: frantically pressing the down button, you know, like, and then
Speaker 2: there was that awkward five minutes of course, where he
Speaker 2: the intern in Cranston stood at the back of the ballroom.
Speaker 2: As the person said, well we like to thank Senator
Speaker 2: Cranston for the wonderful speech. To thank you again, Senator Cranston,
Speaker 2: everybody took turned around quietly and then kind of waved
Speaker 2: and smattering of applause. It was great. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how that was relevant, but it's made
Speaker 2: me think what.
Speaker 1: Horrible passive encounter of you had with somebody that is
Speaker 1: incredibly memorable.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to go there a good
Speaker 2: green room, have about.
Speaker 1: A good green room?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I have a good elevator story, which.
Speaker 1: Well, so this will be the third elevator story.
Speaker 4: Yeah so, which is one of the most underappreciated Cold
Speaker 4: War thrillers, the third Elevator. But the it's not about me,
Speaker 4: but Alan Keys, Like we I love stories about bad bosses.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of just certain kinds of stories I love.
Speaker 4: I love stories about people who are terrible clients for
Speaker 4: their lawyers. I always get entertained by that. And I
Speaker 4: love stories of just really horrible self involved bosses. And uh,
Speaker 4: this is a now thirty year old story. But back
Speaker 4: in the days of what was it National Empowerment Television whatever,
Speaker 4: I think Alan Keys had a show there.
Speaker 2: It was one of those things.
Speaker 4: And he and an intern are getting on an elevator
Speaker 4: and Keys goes in first because he's Alan Keys, and
Speaker 4: he's standing by the button panel in the elevator and
Speaker 4: the intern is in the far corner of the elevator
Speaker 4: and Keys turns to the intern and says that button's
Speaker 4: not going to press itself because it was the kids
Speaker 4: job to press the lobby button in the elevator, and
Speaker 4: he couldn't be bothered even though he was closer to it.
Speaker 2: It's weird, though, that I sided with Alan Key. It's
Speaker 2: a little weird.
Speaker 1: It's because you, Okay, that is an amazing That is
Speaker 1: an amazing story. I I bad boss stories are are
Speaker 1: in fact, utterly, utterly fantastic the best.
Speaker 4: I have so many John McLaughlin stories, but I don't
Speaker 4: feel like it's my face to trap victim because of
Speaker 4: what didn't happen to me. And I have plenty about
Speaker 4: Robert stories. But Ben wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was he was.
Speaker 2: He was not a great boss, but he wasn't that
Speaker 2: kind of boss.
Speaker 1: It wasn't maligned right yeah right yeah, something in a
Speaker 1: bad place necessarily. Yeah. So, uh, this is a so
Speaker 1: I made fun of Tim Walls. Here's what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: Tim Walls. Coach Walls. You know, he had the he
Speaker 1: had the the ex linebackers behind him at the stage
Speaker 1: and so wonderful and he was their coach and all
Speaker 1: of that. So a friend of mine, who was a
Speaker 1: successful comedian, text me and said, when did it become
Speaker 1: the case that we were supposed to stop hating the
Speaker 1: high school football coach. Every nerdy person in America hates
Speaker 1: the high school football coach John Goodman in the nerds, right?
Speaker 1: Is the high school foot is the college football coach
Speaker 1: who kicks the nerds there dorm right? I say it's
Speaker 1: probably Kyle Chandler in Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 2: I think that's what That's what I would say, Yeah, maybe, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: But it is interesting because he's such a I mean
Speaker 2: there's I mean, I would I would love to get
Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't have them. If there are any
Speaker 2: transcripts of those meetings where the football coach was sort
Speaker 2: of asking inappropriately awkward questions to the gay kids, So
Speaker 2: let me ask you a question, Well, which you want
Speaker 2: to use the girlfriend? Which you want to use the boyfriend?
Speaker 2: I just come, I want to know. I just know.
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, just trying to be an
Speaker 2: ally in this weird awkwardness. So if you worth hearing, so.
Speaker 4: I am my peeve and I may write about this,
Speaker 4: so whatever. But Waltz has this thing. He's now said
Speaker 4: it five thousand times. It's clearly his stump speech thing,
Speaker 4: and it clearly polls. Well blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I don't even disagree with it on the merits. I
Speaker 4: just think it's not actually true of his governing style.
Speaker 4: But he said night in Minnesota, we have a golden rule.
Speaker 4: Mind your own damn business. Now, if I was going
Speaker 4: to list the states where that frame where, like if
Speaker 4: you did a blind test and you say, okay, what
Speaker 4: state has an unofficial model mind your own damn business?
Speaker 4: You might say New Hampshire, you know, live for your die,
Speaker 4: might say Wyoming or Texas, Vermont. You would not say Minnesota. Right,
Speaker 4: that's the land of passive aggressive.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 2: You got a lot of.
Speaker 4: Groceries there, eh, you having a party?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like That's the thing about Minnesota is like it's again,
Speaker 4: I am trafficking in stereotypes.
Speaker 2: I've heard from people to as, you're.
Speaker 1: Not trafficking in Minnesota and Wisconsin have a call to
Speaker 1: call themselves. Historically the two most progressive states yeah in
Speaker 1: the country in the twentieth century, like the Progressive movement,
Speaker 1: the Progressive Party was a party in Wisconsin. Robert LaFollette
Speaker 1: the Progressive candidate for the Wisconsin's president right and Minnesota
Speaker 1: was dominated for the first eighty years of the twentieth
Speaker 1: century by a party called the Democrat Farmer Labor Party
Speaker 1: that was the most left wing state party. Yeah. Culture,
Speaker 1: I don't even know you believe mine's I know, culturally,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: Like Scandinavians, like in Sweden. I believe it's still the case.
Speaker 4: You can look up anybody's tax return on the web.
Speaker 4: You can find out what your neighbor's made.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: It is just a cultural thing to be in each
Speaker 4: other's business, and it's just not like mind your own
Speaker 4: damn business. Is just not a Minnesota model?
Speaker 1: Is that using the word damn? Look I am I
Speaker 1: am half Minnesotan. My mother was a Minnesotan. My mother's
Speaker 1: family's from Minnesota.
Speaker 2: You can tell you have that you kind of a
Speaker 2: buncular folks neighborliness, your fondness, lyrificentater tots gave it away.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, I say, I say Tennis Shua's and
Speaker 1: I say, Pap, would you like some pop? Aren't twotoned?
Speaker 1: I'd be really happy.
Speaker 2: We know you just moved in here to the to
Speaker 2: the co op on the upper west side, but the
Speaker 2: padorance is down the hall. We're having a kind of
Speaker 2: a coffee cake thing. We'd love to have you join us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you know what they don't do. What
Speaker 1: my family didn't do was curse. They did not see
Speaker 1: mind your own DM business. That all that sounds? So there?
Speaker 1: I that is the accent. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I'm not watching Fargo. That was the accent that my
Speaker 1: mother strangled out of her body.
Speaker 2: You got you very Fargo Fargo.
Speaker 1: I was always very upset and my sister Ruthie, who
Speaker 1: doesn't even better Minnesota, acts very upset that Fargo came
Speaker 1: along because we were the possessors of America's greatest Minnesota accents.
Speaker 1: And then the Cohen brothers from the Twin Cities came
Speaker 1: along and made that a cultural phenomenon and ruined our bit.
Speaker 1: It was like my bit I could slay with a
Speaker 1: Minnesota accent, and then Francis McDorman and they all accents,
Speaker 1: total sleigh. And yet then it became like, oh, you
Speaker 1: just saw Fargo.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, well that does happen.
Speaker 1: That was my bit and they stole it, and I'm
Speaker 1: still bitter. It's like thirty years later and I'm still bitter.
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Speaker 2: How come about? How do we not talk about the
Speaker 2: roll call vote?
Speaker 1: The roll call?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought all.
Speaker 1: The states it was great. Was the best, was the
Speaker 1: best moment, and I think in a convention that was
Speaker 1: Tuesday night the best moment maybe ever at a political
Speaker 1: convention in terms of the when they want to entertain you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, was there the recreation or I actually say the
Speaker 2: reinvigoration of that thing which I've always loved. The whole
Speaker 2: point of the conventions is the roll call vote, because
Speaker 2: every state gets to like wear a funny hat, and
Speaker 2: Idaho the Potato state, and it's always great, and so
Speaker 2: they kind of like they kind of adjusted it. I actually,
Speaker 2: I mean I even say this about the r n C.
Speaker 2: Was that after a year of the COVID I mean
Speaker 2: or one cycle of those terrible COVID conventions which didn't
Speaker 2: work and didn't seem you know, just seemed sad. It
Speaker 2: was nice how easily everybody got back into the idea
Speaker 2: of like a big, old, splashy convention. And I think
Speaker 2: the great news about the innovations I think at the DNC,
Speaker 2: which are two big ones. One is part and parcel
Speaker 2: is that role call, which is that each one of
Speaker 2: those role calls was a separate cool thing that you
Speaker 2: can then clip and play and aim directly at people
Speaker 2: in that state the way you. Nobody ever thought of
Speaker 2: the conventions as a collection of bits and skits and
Speaker 2: sketches that will then be replayed in little tiny snippets
Speaker 2: over and over again across media. So that and that
Speaker 2: actually was really good too. They put some time and
Speaker 2: effort into it. I mean that Georgia one's going to
Speaker 2: get replayed and replayed and played, and george is an
Speaker 2: important state. Do we know what the hell happened to
Speaker 2: Tony Evers?
Speaker 1: I was just about to say that was a very
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that got really alarming was that
Speaker 1: Tony Evers, the governor of Wisconsin, Yeah, had to read
Speaker 1: this and he it was like he was having a Tia.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what. At first, you and I both
Speaker 1: had the same impulse Jonah, which was to think that
Speaker 1: he was drunk. But it went on for like a minute,
Speaker 1: and it was like he went like, oh God, because
Speaker 1: he had all he had to say was like Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: I think, and he couldn't get it out. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen like the Wisconsin Press or something. But
Speaker 1: that's always the problem when you have sixty people speaking.
Speaker 1: One is you could have a moment where something bad
Speaker 1: happens and like you know, somebody passes out or throws up.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of as close to it as possible.
Speaker 1: And fortunately for the convention it happened almost at the
Speaker 1: very end, since Wisconsin as a w If it had
Speaker 1: been like American Samoa and someone had seemed to be
Speaker 1: having a stroke on stage, it would have cast a
Speaker 1: Paul over the rest of the stroke.
Speaker 2: I just thought he just he just for one second
Speaker 2: blank on our name.
Speaker 1: But it went on. It was like Rick Rick Perry quality,
Speaker 1: and he went, Oh God. And then some guy would
Speaker 1: say you can do it, Tony, you can do.
Speaker 4: It, Tony, and he said to that guy, I'll get there.
Speaker 4: I'll get there get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was weird, but I did love the governor of
Speaker 4: New Jersey. What was it He said, We're from New
Speaker 4: Jersey and you are not.
Speaker 2: New Jersey. How do you have your vote? Everybody? I'm
Speaker 2: Governor Phil Murphy. We're from Jersey, baby, and you're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, and we also have to acknowledge that, I think
Speaker 4: the paraphrase of Peter Suderman tweet, uh, some people have
Speaker 4: a superhuman ability to come manned an audience and really
Speaker 4: hold its attention. And some people are Kathy Hochel because
Speaker 4: she was so friggin bad. It was weird how she
Speaker 4: was worse. She was worse than the actual merits of
Speaker 4: her badness. There's something she just gives off that is let.
Speaker 1: So, Kathy Okle is the governor of New York, and
Speaker 1: she is an accidental governor of New York in this sense,
Speaker 1: which is that she was chosen by Andrew Culomo. She
Speaker 1: was a one term congressman from Buffalo. And Andrew Cuomo
Speaker 1: shows her as his I think third, either his second
Speaker 1: or his third lieutenant governor to run with him because
Speaker 1: she posed no threat to him, little knowing that he
Speaker 1: was going to have to resign because he was a uh,
Speaker 1: you know, basically a totalitarian fascist and you know, was
Speaker 1: what like No, he resigned because somebody ginned up some
Speaker 1: sexual harassment charges against him that were pretty pretty weak,
Speaker 1: but it was time for him to go. He everybody
Speaker 1: hated him by that point. He goes. Hokeel comes in
Speaker 1: and is so bad that she almost loses in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two to Lee Zelden, a Republican in a state
Speaker 1: that has a three to one Democratic registration advantage. Zelden
Speaker 1: came in I think within four points or maybe three
Speaker 1: is close. And she is a terrible governor. She is
Speaker 1: a terrible politician, and why somebody gave her a speaking
Speaker 1: slot at all is one of the grave greatest mysteries.
Speaker 2: But they see that exist her a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like they're just there are a half
Speaker 4: dozen people who you would want.
Speaker 1: We're women.
Speaker 4: I mean it's not nothing a demographic thing, but like
Speaker 4: there are better women in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just terrible.
Speaker 4: I mean I know it was I thought it was
Speaker 4: just a state they're going to win, so like, I
Speaker 4: don't know they're going to win the state.
Speaker 1: And she's not up for office. She's not running until
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. It was a really weird choice to
Speaker 1: have her that early and like having a slot she
Speaker 1: wasn't in prime time.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, well who knows. I mean I watched it.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't have a TV right now because
Speaker 2: we're moving, and so I watched everything on YouTube TV,
Speaker 2: which I'm a huge fan of. By the way, YouTube
Speaker 2: TV is the best, and you can put YouTube TV.
Speaker 2: You can have like watch four or five screens at once,
Speaker 2: and so I was watching them all and the one
Speaker 2: thing I was like, construct by not in the commentary,
Speaker 2: but the speeches, is that nobody seems to tell these people, frankly,
Speaker 2: what they should be talking about. And it's like every
Speaker 2: there's like the there's the B team, the B List,
Speaker 2: and then there's the A team. So you're not gonna
Speaker 2: tell Barack Obama or Bill Clinton or even Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: or Michelle Obama what to say. They're gonna they get
Speaker 2: they can do big think, right, Oprah can do big think,
Speaker 2: But everybody else, everyone else is a co star. And
Speaker 2: Kathy Hochel and even Pete buddhage Edge who spoke too
Speaker 2: long and was boring. I thought, just you know what,
Speaker 2: just talk about yourself. Just tell a story about you
Speaker 2: and how you feel and what you how you come from.
Speaker 2: Make it personal, because nobody wants to hear your theories
Speaker 2: about decency and politics and America is a shining city
Speaker 2: and nobody wants to hear that from the B team.
Speaker 2: That's big thing. And I think that that's a problem
Speaker 2: with all these conventions, and everybody thinks it's their time
Speaker 2: to be you know, to write their own federalist paper,
Speaker 2: and it's just there.
Speaker 1: There are two ways to run conventions from you know,
Speaker 1: from the you know, in the back rooms. So in
Speaker 1: one of them, you have a team of writers and
Speaker 1: they are writing the speeches for everybody, and they give
Speaker 1: them the speeches and they say, you want a slot
Speaker 1: read this. You're doing the attack on Trump for being
Speaker 1: a predator, You're doing the attack on Trump for being
Speaker 1: a tax evator, you're doing the one on him being
Speaker 1: a felon. And you hand them the speech and they say, well,
Speaker 1: I want to work on it, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: you go work on it. We're going to give your
Speaker 1: slot to somebody else. And then they go, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: just read the speech. That's one way. The other way
Speaker 1: is that you change up the nominee three weeks before
Speaker 1: the convention, and you don't really know how you're going
Speaker 1: to do the convention because you don't know what messages
Speaker 1: are going to be carried, and so everyone basically is
Speaker 1: left find their own because no one even knows who
Speaker 1: the convention managers are going to be and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That's fine, you mean, the general division of content should be.
Speaker 2: If you're not a star, you're not above the title.
Speaker 2: And we already know who the names are above the title.
Speaker 2: It's the nominee, it's the vice presidential nominee, their spouses,
Speaker 2: it's former presidents and their spouses period, maybe Oprah, right,
Speaker 2: everybody below the title. Just tell us who you are
Speaker 2: and be personal, because that's the only thing people want
Speaker 2: to hear from you. Most Americans don't know who Caathy
Speaker 2: Hoche You is, so they don't care what she thinks
Speaker 2: about you, know whatever. They just want to know who
Speaker 2: she is and just tell a little story, fifteen minute
Speaker 2: story about you, and that would be much better TV.
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Speaker 1: So in twenty twelve, which I think was the the
Speaker 1: most the biggest failure of a convention was the Mitt
Speaker 1: Romney twenty twelve convention. First it was start, it was
Speaker 1: it was interrupted or it was delayed by day because
Speaker 1: of a hurricane, so it was shortened to three days.
Speaker 1: And then these two major things happened, and I I
Speaker 1: am now going to trash talk Stuart Stevens, the former
Speaker 1: Republican consultant who has now become a never Trumper and
Speaker 1: a Lincoln Project person and is you know, grifting money
Speaker 1: from morons who send the Lincoln Project money which they
Speaker 1: spend ninety five percent on their own salaries and five
Speaker 1: percent on some bad ad and all of that. Stuart
Speaker 1: has been for weeks, been doing The Republicans are terrible
Speaker 1: and they're doing this and how dare you say this
Speaker 1: about He's having a fight with our friend Daan mcglachla
Speaker 1: at National Review about something or other and he's like,
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about it blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So Stuart Stevens runs the twenty twelve
Speaker 1: Republican convention.
Speaker 2: He a loot.
Speaker 1: Chris Christie shows up, right, Chris Christy is the biggest
Speaker 1: star in Republican policy. He's going to be the keynotor
Speaker 1: right the first night the second night, so it ends
Speaker 1: up being the second night he delivers the speech. Apparently
Speaker 1: Chris Christy came and said, I'm going to give my
Speaker 1: own speech, and Stuart Stevens didn't say give me a
Speaker 1: copy of the speech, and Christy whatever. And then Christy
Speaker 1: delivered his speech, and if you remember, he spoke for
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes before he mentioned Romney's name. So this
Speaker 1: is this goes against rob your theory that they should
Speaker 1: just tell stories about yourself, because that's all he did
Speaker 1: was talk about himself and it was a disaster.
Speaker 2: Of course, I said, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Then of course two days later, Stuart Stephen's all excited
Speaker 1: because he's got Clint Eastwood. He got big star surprise.
Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood is going to introduce Met Romney, right Cline
Speaker 1: Eastwood's backstage. Turns out Clinea doesn't have a speech, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a script, and Stuart is so starstruck that
Speaker 1: he couldn't say to Clint Eastwood, here's your script, or
Speaker 1: say it's really great to have you, but you were
Speaker 1: trying to get a president elected, so we need you
Speaker 1: to say this, this and this, and here is Clint
Speaker 1: Eastwood saying there is like, could you get me a chair?
Speaker 1: Get me a chair. This is two minutes before he's
Speaker 1: going on stage. He says, get me a chair, and
Speaker 1: steven says, get Clint a chair. And then Clint goes
Speaker 1: out on the stage with a chair and does that
Speaker 1: insane ten minute talking to the chair thing, and Stuart
Speaker 1: Stevens standing there, the campaign manager of the Republican candidate
Speaker 1: for president, throws up in a garbage cam because he
Speaker 1: realizes what he has done. Twelve years later, he's giving
Speaker 1: people sodden lectures about how politics really works and what's
Speaker 1: wrong with the Republican Party. Do you wonder why Trump
Speaker 1: took over the Republican Party because of that chair? That's
Speaker 1: why you and your stupid chair. Anyway, the chair, the
Speaker 1: chair bit. I maybe I knew this in forgat.
Speaker 4: Was it like a deep cut callback to like a
Speaker 4: May and Nichols thing or what was the I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think you're not you. It was more like you
Speaker 2: don't you're not here. You don't answer questions. Here's what
Speaker 2: I would ask you. I think I remember that something
Speaker 2: like that. It had an internal logic.
Speaker 1: That you he was talking to Obama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Obama, that was Obama with the chair. But the
Speaker 2: idea you like will answer these questions, that's really not
Speaker 2: a good idea.
Speaker 1: Plint. You know what you know how some of your
Speaker 1: movies are like Unforgiven, are really good. But you know
Speaker 1: you also made every which way you can and this
Speaker 1: is the every which way, but loose is good. Which
Speaker 1: way you can is not good?
Speaker 2: That is not that the problem with Plinicewood movies is
Speaker 2: not that they're good or bad, that even the good
Speaker 2: ones are a little long. That he's just he is
Speaker 2: a As he gets older, he has less of a pace.
Speaker 2: That's that's anyway. I'm done any which way you can.
Speaker 1: Was made in the early eighties, so the early he
Speaker 1: would always anyway like, no, I'm sorry, you don't get
Speaker 1: to do whatever you want to at a political where
Speaker 1: the stakes are the highest and could possible. Least, he didn't.
Speaker 2: Insist on bringing Sandra Locke up on stage with him.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, make my day.
Speaker 2: Now, she's really good. You haven't seen what you can do.
Speaker 4: All right, we should talk about something other than conventions.
Speaker 4: In the little time we have left.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Barisma. Can I tell you a weird story
Speaker 2: about Barisma? Because it's that, you know that company that
Speaker 2: weird shaded rob story about this? Is this the intro
Speaker 2: to an ad from Barisma? Yeah? Sure? So Hey, Hey gang,
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Speaker 2: to get four more barrels of drill grease. I uh,
Speaker 2: I had a pen in my house that I picked
Speaker 2: up somewhere a pen, sort of a nice pan. It's
Speaker 2: like a Parker pen, and it's a weird kind of tip.
Speaker 2: It's like a felt tippy thing, but it looks like
Speaker 2: a like a fountain pen. And I don't have it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, it's out of ink, and
Speaker 2: I like pulled the thing out. I couldn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: have it. I didn't have a replacement for this weird ding.
Speaker 2: I never seen anything like that before. So I took
Speaker 2: it to the station store across the street and I said,
Speaker 2: you guys have a thing for this pen, and this
Speaker 2: is what it looks like. We would go, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the Parker five or something. I don't and they
Speaker 2: found one. And as he's putting in the pen, I
Speaker 2: realized that the pen has a it's like from somewhere
Speaker 2: and has writing on it and it's from the and
Speaker 2: it says uh uh National board meeting or Global board meeting,
Speaker 2: Barismo Cypress and then has the name of the CEO
Speaker 2: of Barismo, whose name I forget on it. And I
Speaker 2: have that pen and I don't know. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: I was never at the board. The board Bearisma board
Speaker 2: meeting in Cypress. But I have if you are that,
Speaker 2: if you are the dorm war, maybe if you're yeah,
Speaker 2: if you're looking for the pen, if you're listening.
Speaker 1: Maybe has Jim Jordan's has just.
Speaker 4: Mayor maybe it needed a new ink cartridge because Hunter
Speaker 4: had unscrewed it so he could use it as a
Speaker 4: straw cocaine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's just was snorting. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: for all, you know, the way the way people used
Speaker 1: to drink robotussin to get high. Maybe ink, maybe in
Speaker 1: the ink can give you a kick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that that was I had a cousin, a
Speaker 1: Minnesota cousin. My Minnesota cousin used to drink robotussin three.
Speaker 1: He would invite my sisters who were like, oh, you
Speaker 1: want to you want to have fun, Let's have some Robotussin.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 4: That's a nice Ironically, Ironically, when you gave him a
Speaker 4: hard time about it, what did he say, mind your
Speaker 4: own damn business?
Speaker 2: Then he did swear.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, uh. You know, we're supposed to talk about
Speaker 1: pop culture, but I think, Bob, I think you need
Speaker 1: to do you need to talk about athletic greens or something.
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Speaker 2: culture topic. I don't have a pop culture topic. Okay,
Speaker 2: so this I may be, this may be too too soon, right,
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys don't know about it, so friends of our.
Speaker 2: Coppola has written director of movie called megoppol Meggalopa megop
Speaker 2: meg and now I sound like the know the Governors. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And he had a trailer that I saw two days
Speaker 2: ago that was pretty great. The trailer, because it was
Speaker 2: the first was kind of like it was almost sort
Speaker 2: of Trumpian in its like bitterness because it started the
Speaker 2: first five minutes of trailer are all about his past movies,
Speaker 2: including the Godfather and Apocalypse Now and all the crappy
Speaker 2: reviews he got. You know, this is a mess, this
Speaker 2: is boring, this is horrible, And then the idea is
Speaker 2: supposed to be that like the hey, reviewers, don't get me,
Speaker 2: I'm a visionary filmmaker. They had to take it down
Speaker 2: because some of the quotes aren't right. That some of
Speaker 2: the reviewers were complaining, I didn't pan Apocalypse Now. I
Speaker 2: didn't pan I think. I think the Variety reviewers said, well,
Speaker 2: I did pan one from the heart, I did pan that,
Speaker 2: but nothing none of the others right. And some people say, well,
Speaker 2: look I panned The Outsiders. That was a terrible movie,
Speaker 2: but I would would never but I praised The Godfather,
Speaker 2: And I just love the idea that day, when you
Speaker 2: can check anything so easily, they didn't bother to verify
Speaker 2: any of this stuff because, and here's my theory, it's
Speaker 2: because today you could also make these trailers so easily.
Speaker 2: The actual cost of making that trailer was close to zero,
Speaker 2: whereas when the cost of making a trailer was a lot,
Speaker 2: thinking you had to get an editor, you film all
Speaker 2: that stuff, you just naturally that checked it, because why not,
Speaker 2: I mean, you may as well it's going to cost
Speaker 2: you hundreds of thousands of dollars to make this trailer.
Speaker 2: But if you're just some kid is doing it on
Speaker 2: his computer and it costs nothing, then you don't bother
Speaker 2: to check anything, even though checking it is infinitesimally easier.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is interesting you bring this up because
Speaker 1: the minute that I saw the trailer. The minute that
Speaker 1: I saw the trailer and I watched it, I texted
Speaker 1: our friend Sonny Bunch, who is the film critic of
Speaker 1: The Bulwark the Standard, and I was like, setting, something
Speaker 1: is up with this trailer because the first quote is
Speaker 1: from Pauline Kale, the great film critic of the New Yorker,
Speaker 1: about The Godfather, and it says the Godfather has longers
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I was like, Pauline Klee
Speaker 1: wrote a rave review of The Godfather. And then I
Speaker 1: went as I recall, and I went and looked it up,
Speaker 1: and she said that this is an example of taking
Speaker 1: pulp and turning it into high art. Far from being
Speaker 1: an attack, it was a rave. And then they quoted
Speaker 1: about Apocalypse Now the critic John Simon, who said this
Speaker 1: is a mess or something like that, only it said
Speaker 1: John Simon had reviewed this in National Review, and John
Speaker 1: Simon was not the movie critic of National Review until
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. He was the critic of another magazine
Speaker 1: called The New Leader. And I said, these quotes aren't right.
Speaker 1: Something's off. And then I remembered something, which is that
Speaker 1: a friend of mine went to chat gbt and asked
Speaker 1: them to write about ask chat gbt to write a
Speaker 1: bio of me, and this bio quotes my quotes film
Speaker 1: reviews that I've written, and none of them are real.
Speaker 1: So chat gbt is a language learning system, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not a search system. And so it did the
Speaker 1: search to find out details, and then it somehow assembled
Speaker 1: quotations from movies that I had never reviewed, quoting things
Speaker 1: that I had never written. So my presumption is that
Speaker 1: some PR, either some PR person or Coppola himself, being
Speaker 1: eighty four years old, used chat GPT, which supplied him
Speaker 1: with these negative.
Speaker 4: Quotes famous reviewers of these movies. That makes a lot
Speaker 4: of sense to make. That is I've tested this. A
Speaker 4: bunch of chat gypt routinely gets somewhere between twenty and
Speaker 4: eighty percent of.
Speaker 2: Quotes wrong.
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't know how to push it is looking quoted.
Speaker 1: Isn't what it does? It builds sentences based.
Speaker 2: On the prior word. Right now, I know what it does.
Speaker 1: My point is it's predictive language.
Speaker 2: It's not right, and it takes whatever the data set is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just just chat GPT John pedorit's and
Speaker 2: it says Minnesota native John poritsous for saying and ran
Speaker 2: against you normal. Well, okay, okay, you know some of it.
Speaker 1: openI is a lot better than chatchipt when it comes
Speaker 1: to the Minnesota subjects. And you know what, Rob, mind
Speaker 1: your own damn business. That's all I have to say.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I really hope that our
Speaker 1: people are people who listen to us and want Trump
Speaker 1: to win, are preparing, are are stealing themselves for what's
Speaker 1: going to happen to the next seventy days. I mean there,
Speaker 1: they can go there all they want, but the last
Speaker 1: three weeks have it should not be giving them confidence
Speaker 1: that they're going to see the result that they are
Speaker 1: hoping for in November. That's all I'm saying. Rob.
Speaker 2: And also the problem is that they keep it. It's
Speaker 2: more and more obvious that the problem in that campaign
Speaker 2: is the leader, the person at the top of that campaign.
Speaker 2: You're gonna, I'm sure to rewrite history, you make it,
Speaker 2: you know, C. C. Wild's ball or somebody else's fall.
Speaker 2: But those are professionals doing their best job, doing a
Speaker 2: job as best they can. The person undermining the effort
Speaker 2: is the person they believe is the great leader.
Speaker 4: So it's the guy who wanted to bring the chair
Speaker 4: out on stage rather than just give an endorsement. Exactly,
Speaker 4: he is bringing the chair out on stage.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Did you see his tweet our truth social post? I
Speaker 4: love this thing and like it's it's probably good. I
Speaker 4: am not the editor of commentary because I would allow
Speaker 4: myself to be distracted by these sorts of things in
Speaker 4: ways that John cannot.
Speaker 1: It's the Josh Shapiro one, isn't it. It is You're
Speaker 1: going to the Josh Shapiro one.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't even mind the stupidity of attacking
Speaker 4: a governor of Pennsylvan any of a state you need,
Speaker 4: who has a sixty one percent of ruval rating, or
Speaker 4: beginning with the sentence the highly overrated Jewish governor of
Speaker 4: the Great Commonwealth of Pennsilonia. Forget all that I don't
Speaker 4: care about the dual loyalty, stuff about the Jews and Israel,
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 2: It's this, he says.
Speaker 4: Yet Shapiro, for strictly political reasons, refused to acknowledge that
Speaker 4: I am the best friend that Israel and the Jewish
Speaker 4: people ever had. I have done more for Israel than
Speaker 4: any president and frankly and frankly, I have done more
Speaker 4: for Israel than any person and it's not even close.
Speaker 4: So suck at Moses, Yes, suck king David hertzel Gurian hikers.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not even close yet all my years
Speaker 2: of word I can't even say. Anyway, I'm sorry really
Speaker 2: hard this morning at that.
Speaker 1: I apologize his So Jews make up two percent of
Speaker 1: the population of the United States and make and okay,
Speaker 1: so it's two percent, and.
Speaker 2: It feels like a lot. It feels like a lot more.
Speaker 1: There are four hundred thousand Jews and sixty.
Speaker 2: Percent of this podcast, just so we're clear, sixty six percent.
Speaker 1: Sorry Jews in Pennsylvania. So they Jews in a very
Speaker 1: close election. Jews, how they swing if they really were
Speaker 1: to swing and they could make it, could make a difference. No,
Speaker 1: that's me, Rob, that's me as the gay club. I'm
Speaker 1: only starting the game so I can get coach Walls
Speaker 1: to be my advisor.
Speaker 2: I just want it now. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Trump's obsession with the ingratitude of the Jewish people
Speaker 1: toward him is another is a mark of his mania
Speaker 1: or madness, because on the one hand, I understand it
Speaker 1: and I a lot of people around him say it.
Speaker 1: And I know people Jews who like him and are
Speaker 1: grateful to him, who share this idea and believe that
Speaker 1: it is madness for Jews to support the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: and all of that. But it's really he's got bigger
Speaker 1: fished fry. You know, he has an election to win
Speaker 1: all over the place, and it's like he's like the
Speaker 1: UN in the you know how fifty percent of the
Speaker 1: UN's resolutions are about Israel, a country that has zero
Speaker 1: point one percent of the population of the planet Earth.
Speaker 1: And it's like twenty percent of his tweets are about Jews,
Speaker 1: and Jews aren't supporting him enough. And I wish that
Speaker 1: it were that important that Jews don't support him enough.
Speaker 4: And just, but it isn't yes per equal time, because
Speaker 4: I know people are going to say Brillian syndrome. Jamie Harrison,
Speaker 4: the head of the DNC, had a tweet the other
Speaker 4: day a Monday night for Biden's speech, right, we showed
Speaker 4: a picture of him shaking Biden's hand, where he said,
Speaker 4: Joe Biden is the not one of, not among the
Speaker 4: most consequential president in American history, and it's it's sort
Speaker 4: of Trump like in the same way. Right, It's like
Speaker 4: this need to satiate the egos of sad old men
Speaker 4: is kind of amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, like.
Speaker 4: I'd be hard pressed to find a serious progressive who
Speaker 4: could make a case. I mean, unless your whole thing
Speaker 4: it's some sort of caram thing where he kept Trump
Speaker 4: from getting reelected in that matter, because we'd all be
Speaker 4: you know, in camps or something, you know, which I
Speaker 4: don't believe in all that kind of stuff. But beyond that,
Speaker 4: it's like, go find a normal, fairly normal, serious, very progressive,
Speaker 4: you know, intellectual and have them make the case for
Speaker 4: you that Biden was more consequential than Barack Obama or
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton or any Democratic president of our lifetimes, never
Speaker 4: mind Fdr Lincoln wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Madison Monroe. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So I just.
Speaker 1: That is that that that is equal time I do. Here.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. I know again, Trump is pop
Speaker 1: culture figure. So Trump is pop culture figure. One of
Speaker 1: his people, Greg Price, puts out last night after Oprah's
Speaker 1: speech a letter that they have like Oprah's letter to Trump,
Speaker 1: because Trump sent her a copy of his book or
Speaker 1: something like that, and she wrote him a note that
Speaker 1: said I kind of got weakened the knees of little
Speaker 1: Tierry because you were so kind about me. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, signed Oprah. Now I got to tell you
Speaker 1: I wrote Oprah's a notewriter like George H. W. Bush
Speaker 1: and I because I got a note from Oprah once
Speaker 1: because I wrote a piece when I was the TV
Speaker 1: critic at the New York Post saying for some reason
Speaker 1: I had been watching her. I would didn't watch her,
Speaker 1: but that I watched a week of hers because I
Speaker 1: had an idea for a piece. And I had noticed,
Speaker 1: this is nineteen ninety four, that she was radically changing
Speaker 1: the focus of her show. If you remember, her show
Speaker 1: in the early years was very salacious and it was
Speaker 1: always about fathers raping their daughters and you know, crimes
Speaker 1: and really and then she made this because she's such
Speaker 1: a genius, she realized that she had run out the
Speaker 1: string on that material and that it was things were
Speaker 1: you know, like other people were moving up on her
Speaker 1: in that regard, like Montel and others, and she decided
Speaker 1: to go with this new age positivism, and she started
Speaker 1: doing upbeat shows and how you know, shows about how
Speaker 1: you could make your life life better and here's how
Speaker 1: you can diet, and here's a great story. And I
Speaker 1: wrote this seven hundred word column saying Oprah Winfrey is
Speaker 1: changing her focus and this is pretty interesting. And at
Speaker 1: a note, I get a letter. I get a note,
Speaker 1: handwritten note from Oprah saying, dear John, I was very
Speaker 1: touched moved by your column. I just want positive light
Speaker 1: and the sparks of hopefulness and glory throughout the world
Speaker 1: so that everyone can be their best selves and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, sincerely, Oprah Winfrey. Now I'm only telling the
Speaker 1: story because clearly she set out time during the day
Speaker 1: every day to write a note or two to people
Speaker 1: who did something that she wanted to thank them for.
Speaker 1: And she had written this note scribble dashed off this
Speaker 1: note to Trump. Greg Price put it up, It's fine, okay,
Speaker 1: because she had attacked Trump at the convention and so
Speaker 1: so he wanted to show that she had once written
Speaker 1: a nice note to Trump. But what he said was
Speaker 1: every celebrity America loved Trump until twenty fifteen, when the
Speaker 1: word came down from the Obamas that he was to
Speaker 1: be attacked. Every celebrity in America loved Trump. Do you
Speaker 1: know who loved Trump. Nobody, I mean, wrestling fans loved Trump.
Speaker 2: Trump.
Speaker 1: Love was not the word that you would associate with people.
Speaker 1: People were fascinated by him, they were horrified by him,
Speaker 1: they were compelled by him. Love was not the predominating emotion,
Speaker 1: I would say, even even from Oprah in her extreme.
Speaker 4: There was a moment in the mid to late eighties
Speaker 4: with the woman ring stuff where you would meet payn love.
Speaker 1: Trump Okay, fair enough, yeah, because he said yeah.
Speaker 4: And actually what he did is he ripped off his
Speaker 4: business partner by lying to him about it, said we'll
Speaker 4: get equal credit, and the other guy did all the work,
Speaker 4: and then he just took all the credit. But there
Speaker 4: was a time when people were really in the Trump
Speaker 4: back then, but that's been all that was over by
Speaker 4: the mini It was a.
Speaker 2: Huge, huge star. I mean, the friend is a giant hit.
Speaker 1: But you can see where the it's so hard for
Speaker 1: him to escape his own brain because when he needs to,
Speaker 1: when when when his staff has to say to him,
Speaker 1: this isn't working. You know, you got to focus on
Speaker 1: you got it. We gotta go at Kamala's a vibes candidate,
Speaker 1: so you got to cut the vibes and say, uh,
Speaker 1: she's going to be a bad president because she was
Speaker 1: a she was a vice president of a bad administration,
Speaker 1: is going to be a bad president. And then he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do that. And then someone goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you be yourself. You got to be yourself. Let Reagan
Speaker 1: be Reagan. Let Trump be Trump. And then he goes
Speaker 1: out and he's like, I know they want me to
Speaker 1: read the teleprompter, he says on the stage, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to. So I'm just gonna I'm just going
Speaker 1: to go into one of my rants about how I
Speaker 1: don't even need any new voters as long as they
Speaker 1: don't steal the election.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, John, Yes, they're changing the subject. Yere,
Speaker 2: This is me changing the subject, even if I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously there are people in November. People, some people are
Speaker 2: going to be disappointed. You know, you're gonna be very
Speaker 2: bitterly disappointed by something, whether you're for her or whether
Speaker 2: for him. Someone's going to lose and you're going to
Speaker 2: feel and you're gonna be in despair, I think. But
Speaker 2: I have a piece of Hollywood news that I think
Speaker 2: will make that may actually make could could potentially make
Speaker 2: everybody happy, and that is that the chicken fast food restaurant,
Speaker 2: Chick fil A. And I'm not kidding. They are planning
Speaker 2: to launch their own streaming platform, Chick fil A. That
Speaker 2: you know, Chicken people are going to have a streaming service.
Speaker 2: They are buying content. Now most of it's going to
Speaker 2: be a family friendly all that stuff, a lot of
Speaker 2: reality stuff, but they are there's going to be a
Speaker 2: Chicken channel. Are you sure?
Speaker 4: Just just to be clear, are you sure it's spelled
Speaker 4: the same way as the Chicken place and it's not
Speaker 4: like a porn platform.
Speaker 2: Wait, let me let me hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, yes, never mind me.
Speaker 2: You know it was Chick fil A.
Speaker 1: It's I have many questions, have many questions. Number one,
Speaker 1: will it be open on Sunday?
Speaker 2: Now that's a good question.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a streaming service. Well they shut it down
Speaker 1: on Sunday. When they shut it down Chick fil A restaurant? No, okay,
Speaker 1: really Chick fil A.
Speaker 2: So so there is a there is a there is
Speaker 2: a future, right, there is a future. A Potentially it's
Speaker 2: not gonna happen, but it is potential that we'll do
Speaker 2: We'll do a glop a year from now and I'll say, hey, fellas,
Speaker 2: after this glop I recorded slop, I gotta go work
Speaker 2: on my Chick fil A show, And I'll be saying, like,
Speaker 2: give me tell you that the executives a Chick fil
Speaker 2: A are really good. They give good notes and they
Speaker 2: give no notes on Sundays.
Speaker 1: You know, like like this is perfect for you because
Speaker 1: now that you are entering the clergy, sure you are
Speaker 1: perfect for a Christian screaming streaming channel.
Speaker 2: Well they didn't say.
Speaker 1: Family, okay, but they the dogs on Sunday so you
Speaker 1: can go to so you can go to church. And
Speaker 1: so I have never eaten a Chick fil A because
Speaker 1: I because I keep kosher. So I gather it's the
Speaker 1: best one, right, Isn't that everybody sounds the greatest of
Speaker 1: all chickens.
Speaker 2: Think it's overrated, but I might agree, Okay. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna get a chicken sandwich, I think it's
Speaker 2: hard to beat spicy chicken sandwich and Popeyes. Actually, honestly, okay,
Speaker 2: I think Popeyes for chicken is fantastic. Yeah, really very good.
Speaker 1: But okay, so just similarly, for the record that people
Speaker 1: say that it's great, Hue, it is good Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe this is an act of genius.
Speaker 1: You have this very positively viewed brand and it has
Speaker 1: a little culture war content so that people feel good
Speaker 1: about it because they like its stance on faith. And
Speaker 1: so it's like one of those that hall that beyond
Speaker 1: Hallmark Channel channel that's like the Hallmark Channel, only it's
Speaker 1: religious that Kirk Cameron's sister left the Hallmark Channel to
Speaker 1: be an executive producer for so you get the branding.
Speaker 1: It brings with it the social credit system of the
Speaker 1: evangelicals and stuff. So like maybe they could merge with
Speaker 1: the Hobby Lobby streaming channel.
Speaker 2: Sure, well the Aventure will have to, okay because a
Speaker 2: consolidation is going to happen and their big competitive be
Speaker 2: the Panera Bread channel. That's going to be a big one.
Speaker 2: All on is are they going to bring back Claymation,
Speaker 2: Davy and Glass.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: Then here's you know what the porn one's going to
Speaker 2: be and I the porn one is getting not clamation
Speaker 2: The Wendy streaming channel is going to be a little.
Speaker 1: Porny Yeah yeah, I mean kind of.
Speaker 2: Little girl like. Yeah, it could be like that, you know,
Speaker 2: the one the Free one. The free one is going
Speaker 2: to be cracker Barrel. That's gonna be just my My.
Speaker 1: Wife will also keeps kosher.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Was driving to visit our kid in camp in in
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and was trying to find a Culver's. Couldn't find
Speaker 1: a Culvers. Culver's the great It has the greatest milkshake.
Speaker 1: Actually I think five Guys has the greatest milkshake, but
Speaker 1: Culver's is pretty close. Uh, but couldn't find a Culvers.
Speaker 1: And she and her friend and my wife of course
Speaker 1: also a lifetime keeper of cash Rout, so she they
Speaker 1: have to go to what they're starving. They have to
Speaker 1: go to a taco bell. First time she's ever been
Speaker 1: in a taco bell, and she was repulsed. It was disgusting.
Speaker 1: And I said, the thing about taco bell that I
Speaker 1: always liked when I lived in Arlington, Virginia there was
Speaker 1: one right near my house, is that it was so
Speaker 1: cheap that you could buy five burritos, and it was
Speaker 1: like the more you bought.
Speaker 2: The more explosive diarrhea you had. Right.
Speaker 4: I've grown to like watch Futurama a bit lately. It's
Speaker 4: on the Comedy Channel Comedy Network in the mornings and
Speaker 4: when like Al Sharpton is talking on Morning Joe whatever,
Speaker 4: I'll flip over to it because I have no use
Speaker 4: for that. And one of the things they're absolutely brilliant about,
Speaker 4: much like The Simpsons, are those establishing shot site gags,
Speaker 4: like you know, with the what the sign outside the
Speaker 4: church says in the Simpsons has got to We'll always.
Speaker 2: Have a great joke and in that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Anyway, there was one on Futurama the other day where
Speaker 4: the sign was, I hope I can get this right.
Speaker 4: It's the Taco Bellevue Hospital having a normal sized baby
Speaker 4: supersize it for forty nine cents more.
Speaker 1: That reminds me of and this this is really going
Speaker 1: to date me. But The Far Side, which of course
Speaker 1: was the greatest single panel comic ever.
Speaker 2: Best single panel comic ever made, but right for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so the the comic was It's like Mars
Speaker 1: or something that sort of looked like the Jetsons, like,
Speaker 1: it's you're an outer space and it's like outer space
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and there's a sign and it says, you know,
Speaker 1: the Mars Caesar's Palace. George Burns appearing nightly because of
Speaker 1: course at the time, George Burns was like one hundred
Speaker 1: and five years old and was still going on the
Speaker 1: Tonight Show chewing on his cigar and being hilarious. And
Speaker 1: that's like that Futurama, you know it was. It was
Speaker 1: like some kind of that was a prediction of that
Speaker 1: kind of the Far Side.
Speaker 4: There's the Far Side, which it's hard to describe how
Speaker 4: it was drawn, but it seems plausible, where it's like
Speaker 4: an incredibly old guy shaking inside of a suit that's
Speaker 4: now too big for him, and the caption is suddenly
Speaker 4: Dick Clark looked his age, the.
Speaker 1: Other one, the other one, and then we're gonna stop
Speaker 1: remembering Farsecco too. But was what you have this like
Speaker 1: tribe in Africa or something like like a tribe in
Speaker 1: the jungle and they're all running around crazy. They're all
Speaker 1: carrying like televisions and computers and they're running to hide them,
Speaker 1: and the caption is the anthropologists are coming. So anyway,
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Speaker 2: I'm late on everything. So you you guys may have
Speaker 2: talked about this on a glob when I was just
Speaker 2: zoning out. But and maybe it's maybe it's terrible. I
Speaker 2: only saw two episodes that I really enjoyed them of
Speaker 2: this show, good omens, that's the whole show.
Speaker 1: That's an old show. Those things.
Speaker 2: There's a new, there's a new there's a new season out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love those two guys, right, it's uh, David,
Speaker 1: it's fun David Tennant and Michael Sheen, Right, And there
Speaker 1: one's one like a devil and ones an angel. Is
Speaker 1: that do have that? Right?
Speaker 2: One is that they're both they're both representative of heaven
Speaker 2: and hell once devil's an angel and they kind of
Speaker 2: in the they kind of are trying to avert the
Speaker 2: end times. They think the end times we shouldn't have
Speaker 2: and so they're kind of on Earth kind of make
Speaker 2: things better. I don't know, I'm maybe I'm way behind.
Speaker 2: I just thought, oh, this is pretty good. And this
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Speaker 2: It's from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so.
Speaker 2: But I thought there was a new season out, but
Speaker 2: I guess there's not.
Speaker 1: Well I am. I am heartbroken because.
Speaker 2: Look, the second season was released in its entirety on
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime last year. So I'm only a year I'm
Speaker 2: only technically a year late.
Speaker 1: Okay, So can we talk about this because the streaming
Speaker 1: services are getting are are are getting away with something
Speaker 1: that's terrible. It's not an HPO two. But like, so
Speaker 1: Joe and I watched half of the Dragon. I know,
Speaker 1: I know Robbie almost certainly didn't watch House of the Dragon.
Speaker 1: So House to the Dragon that first season a half
Speaker 1: years ago, and then and then it had its second
Speaker 1: season just ended like three or four weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: it was a huge hit. And I think we talked
Speaker 1: about this, but the House of the Dragon ended by
Speaker 1: concluding its eight episode season. It's like, and now it's
Speaker 1: time for the war. Here are the flows and credits,
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing builds up to the final scene
Speaker 1: where they're all sailing off to start the big war
Speaker 1: between the Targarian family houses, and then it ends, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna have to wait two years for it
Speaker 1: to start up again. And they're being rewarded for this
Speaker 1: because the show is a hit and so they're going
Speaker 1: to make more of it, but it's going to take
Speaker 1: two more years for it to come out. And now
Speaker 1: we understand the genius of network television in the old model,
Speaker 1: which is like you liked it, you didn't like or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it was there. If you wanted to watch it,
Speaker 1: it was there. They made twenty four episodes or even
Speaker 1: thirty episodes in the early days, and then they did
Speaker 1: repeats in the summer, and then it was there in September,
Speaker 1: and if you wanted it, you had it. And now
Speaker 1: they're playing this scarcity game almost and it's like, by
Speaker 1: the time that show comes back, I won't remember any
Speaker 1: of the characters. I won't remember anything that happened. Fine,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's some kind of cosmic screwing going
Speaker 1: on here, am I?
Speaker 2: Well, their argument is the cosmet rooms the other way around.
Speaker 2: The business model doesn't work. Unlimited content, all you can
Speaker 2: eat it doesn't work. So they that was not their plan.
Speaker 2: Their plan was unlimited. But now they realize scarcity is
Speaker 2: the way to go, and that you'll want to see
Speaker 2: the new season, but then you'll also think, oh, I
Speaker 2: got to catch up any old season, And so you'll
Speaker 2: always be either catching up or getting preparing to see
Speaker 2: something new, so that when the credit card bill comes
Speaker 2: every month, you'll never think to yourself, well, I'm going
Speaker 2: to cancel it now, because you're always mid cycle something.
Speaker 1: But Joan, what I mean, do you care?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I don't even care. I don't care which one. I
Speaker 1: don't care whether whether the blonde people or the non
Speaker 1: blonde people win. I don't care whether whether whether the
Speaker 1: red the nice redhead lady who made the mistake of
Speaker 1: putting her son on the iron throne because she misunderstood
Speaker 1: the leper husband and his and his ideas, or whether
Speaker 1: it's the more regal blonde haired chick. I don't care
Speaker 1: who wins. But I seem somehow to be forced, compelled
Speaker 1: by my circumstances to watch this thing, and then we
Speaker 1: have to bone up on it, and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: be okay.
Speaker 4: So uh am I really like And this is a mild,
Speaker 4: very mild spoiler of people if they haven't caught up.
Speaker 4: The best scene where I actually rooted for a character
Speaker 4: was the second to last episode of the second season
Speaker 4: where the dragon just killed everybody and I was like, finally,
Speaker 4: all these people are annoying.
Speaker 2: I don't like any of them. Y.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's the fundamental problem with the show is
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind that they didn't get to warr yet
Speaker 4: if I liked the characters. Yeah, but there's no likable,
Speaker 4: truly likable characters in the whole friggin show.
Speaker 2: And that's just a or.
Speaker 1: Even so, they had a compelling villain character, semi villain character.
Speaker 1: Blonde guy Matt Smith, a guy British actor, played a
Speaker 1: character named Damon Demon. Basically first season was actually a
Speaker 1: really good villain, complicated fun to watch. So they take
Speaker 1: the second season and they stash him in a side
Speaker 1: story where he's having hallucinations for five episodes talking to
Speaker 1: one person, the actress who plays Sally Bowles right now
Speaker 1: on Broadway in Cabaret and talking to Simon Russell Bill,
Speaker 1: the great British stage actor, and that's it, and he's
Speaker 1: not involved in the plot. It's like they took their
Speaker 1: but it would be like you took Peter Dinklice Tyrian
Speaker 1: and you stashed him in a monastery for an entire
Speaker 1: season when all you wanted to do was watch Tyrian
Speaker 1: on Game of Thrones.
Speaker 4: So I agree, it's amazing, but I'm still gonna watch it.
Speaker 4: So we we we because I agree with you, August,
Speaker 4: it has been a bad month for new content. We
Speaker 4: started rewatching, uh, Silicon Valley from the beginning. Oh and
Speaker 4: we're like halfway into season three, so you can start
Speaker 4: to see on the horizon the show deteriorate.
Speaker 2: You know, it's coming.
Speaker 4: I don't think we ever even finished like season six
Speaker 4: or whatever it was, because the guy's so bad. But like,
Speaker 4: the first two seasons really are just great, and there's
Speaker 4: just so much good stuff in there, and it's funny.
Speaker 4: How now it's a little dated, because how could it
Speaker 4: not be being about technology?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, in Silicon Valley.
Speaker 4: And I've completely forgotten that like cars, Swisher is in
Speaker 4: it and all this kind of stuff. Oh yeah, some
Speaker 4: of those kind of like weird easter eggs to it. Also,
Speaker 4: when I first watched it, I wasn't a co founder
Speaker 4: of a startup, and so there's all sorts of stuff
Speaker 4: I have a new appreciation for. But uh, that's it's
Speaker 4: pretty great.
Speaker 2: It is also, yeah, it is also historically, I think
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of another show. It is the
Speaker 2: most conservative television show that's ever been made.
Speaker 1: Judges other shows, yeah, but this one was.
Speaker 2: This one actually was explicitly explicit or I should say
Speaker 2: free market shows. The neighborhood Villain, you know, the neighborhood
Speaker 2: Karen is a bearded hippie in a wheelchair and he ferrets.
Speaker 2: He raises ferrets and he's like trying to use the
Speaker 2: city ordinances against them. And then the argument they make
Speaker 2: to him at the doorway is like the greatest pro
Speaker 2: gentrification rising tide lifts all boats argument I heard. It
Speaker 2: was fantastic. And then there's this very arcane it's not
Speaker 2: really okay and if you're in the world, but if
Speaker 2: you're not in the world, it's very orkaan idea of
Speaker 2: like what they call liquidity preference, So who gets paid
Speaker 2: and how And it's a it's a forty five second
Speaker 2: explanation on a park bench and it is the most
Speaker 2: concise explanation of venture finance and how how the how
Speaker 2: a founder gets screwed that you could ever hear and
Speaker 2: you could go to a MILLI you read it your
Speaker 2: chat GPT. The heck out of it. You could just
Speaker 2: that scene alone is probably what every founder should read.
Speaker 2: Just watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is a great and it's finally as
Speaker 1: an extraordinary It was just like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was anything ever been an ongoing business satire.
Speaker 2: I mean about the gaming industry that started pretty strong.
Speaker 2: It was called a wark wrap workuest something or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh a mythic quest question. But it was yeah, it
Speaker 1: was about it. It was about a giant it was
Speaker 1: about a giant multiplayer game company.
Speaker 2: It was so close to being good and it just
Speaker 2: didn't quite land it.
Speaker 1: There was one good character, right, which was the f
Speaker 1: Murray Abraham character, who is the novelist who has become
Speaker 1: the agent. Yeah right, yeah, I just tried to come
Speaker 1: up with the story. But it really it really it
Speaker 1: really didn't work. And but it is really a Silicon
Speaker 1: Valley is a very it is an unusual thing. I'm
Speaker 1: heartbroken because today, as we're recording, this marks the final
Speaker 1: episode of my actually my favorite streaming show of this
Speaker 1: dreaming era on Paramount Plus, which is called Evil, an
Speaker 1: evil important to Rob here as he as he enters
Speaker 1: his spiritual life. Evil is a show about a shrink,
Speaker 1: a priest and a techie who are hired by the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church to investigate potential cases of demonic possession. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there so there is a demonic possession possibility of
Speaker 1: the week which always has a potential medical or psycho
Speaker 1: psychological explanation or is in fact a demonic possession in it?
Speaker 2: Is there in it? Who sort of Andrea Martin Martin
Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen clips of this on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Andrew Martin plays a nun who is yes and Wallace Shawn,
Speaker 1: whom I generally don't like, plays a priest like the
Speaker 1: priest who runs the parish that our hero priest my
Speaker 1: culture is like the associate the younger, the younger guy
Speaker 1: in and the show has this sort of demon of
Speaker 1: the weak thing, and then it has this very complicated
Speaker 1: Rosemary's Baby like through line about a network of Satanic
Speaker 1: worshipers and demons who are about to come together to
Speaker 1: try to bring the world to an end. The villain
Speaker 1: led by Michael Emerson who will be known to people
Speaker 1: as Henry Gale or whatever his name was on Lost,
Speaker 1: the villain un Lost if you remember the fantastic Villain
Speaker 1: and Evil, which has had four seasons and is now
Speaker 1: concluding tonight. Is an extraordinarily witty, clever, and unexpectedly touching
Speaker 1: show that takes faith seriously, which makes it almost almost
Speaker 1: without precedent in American television. As far as I can
Speaker 1: tell you know what they should do.
Speaker 2: They should do all the subsequent seasons. If it is
Speaker 2: in fact as you described, they should do the subsequent
Speaker 2: seasons on Chick fil A. It does feel like good,
Speaker 2: a good Chick fil A within the Chick fil A brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Jonah, Can I praise you because you have
Speaker 1: been You have been like killing it on on the Remnants.
Speaker 1: You have had great Remnant after after Great Remnant. You
Speaker 1: have Fred Kagan today. I can't even remember the Mike Pesca.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was fantastic this week. And uh, and
Speaker 1: so that is a so people should be listening to
Speaker 1: the Remnant as well as watching you on. I guess
Speaker 1: you're not doing the DNC.
Speaker 2: They did not see an n kind of screwed me.
Speaker 2: I'm free to say.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: They asked me to block off the Democratic Convention, which
Speaker 4: was fine, but it meant I had to scramble all
Speaker 4: sorts of vacation plans. And then they ended up not
Speaker 4: using me too late for me to sort of like
Speaker 4: restore them. And if they just said they weren't going
Speaker 4: to use me, I wouldn't mind it. But you know,
Speaker 4: I kind of would like to be in Chicago. I
Speaker 4: think it'd be kind of cool, But I'm not people
Speaker 4: should write angry letters saying why isn't there more Goldberg.
Speaker 1: And uh.
Speaker 2: But the good news is I leave very soon in
Speaker 2: the next couple of days for my sprinter van adventure
Speaker 2: in the great American vastness.
Speaker 1: So wow, Yeah, I am excited for you.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for you to be able to say things
Speaker 2: like when you're on TV, you know, being a punted tay,
Speaker 2: things like let me tell you how it feels out
Speaker 2: here in America, let me tell you how I But
Speaker 2: at least when.
Speaker 1: Jonah does these drives, he literally he isn't just in
Speaker 1: Des Moines at the Des Moines Hotel talking to other
Speaker 1: reporters like you are like driving through somewhere I brought
Speaker 1: up there was this amazing story about the bicyclist. The
Speaker 1: cyclist who won the gold in the Olympics from Alaska
Speaker 1: who had never ridden a bike, or had she had
Speaker 1: been a different she'd been a rower at Harvard, and
Speaker 1: then when she got out of Harvard, she goes to
Speaker 1: New York. She starts going to a cycling club and
Speaker 1: like seven years later wins the gold medal. And she's
Speaker 1: from Alaska and her parents own a hotel in Alaska.
Speaker 1: And Jonah was like, I've been to that hotel.
Speaker 2: It's a very cool location. The hotel.
Speaker 4: It's at the end of what they call the Homer
Speaker 4: Spit and which is like this incredibly narrow basically the
Speaker 4: size of a two lane highway plus a little extra
Speaker 4: land way out in the middle of this bay in Alaska.
Speaker 4: And the hotel is called a resort, which is generous,
Speaker 4: but it's a really really cool location.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, so you actually to be fair,
Speaker 1: because you're making fun of the reporters who say I'm
Speaker 1: getting the pulse, but you actually do, like go traverse
Speaker 1: places that are not in fact on the beaten path about.
Speaker 4: Actually taking the Lincoln Highway. So my wife's going to
Speaker 4: Alaska for a family and meeting thing, and then I'm
Speaker 4: gonna she's gonna fly back to Denver, where I'm gonna
Speaker 4: pick her up with the dogs in the van, and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about taking the Lincoln Highway, which I've never done,
Speaker 4: which is the original national highway before the interstate, and
Speaker 4: it takes a little longer.
Speaker 2: But where do I got to be?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And uh, I got you. This sounds like really great
Speaker 2: content for Chick fil A, And everywhere I go, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell people to mind their own goddamn business.
Speaker 1: You rob you and you and Jonah need to go pitch,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I assume what's gonna end up
Speaker 1: happening is that Chick fil A is a nice company
Speaker 1: and they will find some a person who goes to
Speaker 1: a church in Beverly Hills and hire them to be
Speaker 1: the CEO. And then it's going to turn out that
Speaker 1: the church that they go to is a church of
Speaker 1: Satan and they won't have understood that. Or you, maybe
Speaker 1: you could be the head of the Chick fil A straight.
Speaker 2: I would like to be the president of entertainment chick.
Speaker 1: I think you'd be great at it.
Speaker 2: I'm qualified. Yeah, I'd be bad executive, but I'm qualified
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: So Martini shot for you every week.
Speaker 2: Every week, every week. I took a few weeks off
Speaker 2: of the summer. I'm back, so that's all you, that's
Speaker 2: all you need know.
Speaker 1: And just just so I can put pressure on you
Speaker 1: in public. Uh, you need to write your commentary column
Speaker 1: before before you move to Princeton so that you can
Speaker 1: get out of the way, because then you're gonna tell me.
Speaker 1: But I'm moving and I got school starting and all that,
Speaker 1: so I got to get there.
Speaker 2: I'll be fully moved before the columns. Do trust me,
Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be ensconced before the columns. I don't
Speaker 2: believe you.
Speaker 1: So you're really, really, you're gonna you're you're You're gonna
Speaker 1: make me. You're gonna walk the tight rope again. This
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. You're gonna walk the deadline tightrope
Speaker 1: with me. I'm giving you a chance to avoid the
Speaker 1: deadline tightrope, and you are not taking it.
Speaker 2: Mind your own damn business. This is business, I forget.
Speaker 2: It's literally what you should be minding.
Speaker 1: All right, And with that, we'll reconvene with Robin Princeton
Speaker 1: and Jonah. Who knows, maybe Jonah will be on the
Speaker 1: Lincoln Highway the next time we have a conversation.
Speaker 2: Ephim.
Speaker 1: No, the gay club is okay. We've got a golden rule,
Speaker 1: Mind your own damn business.