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Speaker 1: It's West Tigers Podcast Eddie joined by Nick. And I
Speaker 1: was gonna say Gary. I'm so used to saying Gary.
Speaker 1: It's not Gary, it's declar no big orange beard looking
Speaker 1: at me, wearing the face declan. So thirty six to
Speaker 1: two of the Panthers, we've had forty eight hours to
Speaker 1: digest that. Declan. What's your one word?
Speaker 3: My one word recycling Ben, because I think that's the
Speaker 3: performance that I will try to forget as soon as
Speaker 3: possible after we're doing recording this podcast. It was just
Speaker 3: a dull affair. I was in a pub in Melbourne
Speaker 3: in the corner watching it during the rugby and I
Speaker 3: think it was only one at the public screaming above
Speaker 3: the music.
Speaker 4: So it was just terrible.
Speaker 3: But my other one wide would just be just really
Speaker 3: uninspiring because we just couldn't. I didn't say it, I
Speaker 3: like well or any sort of mprint. Enter the game
Speaker 3: and the Panthers dictated pretty much every single facet of
Speaker 3: the game, barring the first ten minutes.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm being generous but other than that.
Speaker 3: It was complete domination from Penwuth, who are pretty much
Speaker 3: control and dictating the game the entire.
Speaker 4: Time, which was not good to see.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I wasn't in a pub in Melbourne, Declan, but
Speaker 1: I was in a pub and I was sort of
Speaker 1: in that mode maybe like you were, or I was watching
Speaker 1: it without really watching it because I just thought, we're
Speaker 1: just absolutely no chance here the way they're playing. So
Speaker 1: I actually rewatched the game today, which I really do
Speaker 1: on a Monday. But Nick, your one word, My.
Speaker 5: One word, Eddie is coma because I'd really like someone
Speaker 5: to put me into an introduced Camra until the seventh
Speaker 5: of September, which is the day after we play the
Speaker 5: top Button's in around twenty seven. So unfortunately, I just
Speaker 5: feel like it's groundhog Day right. I just feel like
Speaker 5: we're at that point in the season again where and
Speaker 5: it's probably dragged out a little bit longer this season
Speaker 5: where we're not going to play finals, and I'm afraid
Speaker 5: that the effort is going to get a little bit
Speaker 5: too difficult over the next four to five six weeks
Speaker 5: to finish off the season, and I'm just worried about
Speaker 5: what might be to come so ideally I'd like to
Speaker 5: go into a long sleep, paddn Eddie and wake up
Speaker 5: just as the weather's starting to get a bit warmer
Speaker 5: and days are getting longer, and can get out in
Speaker 5: the golf course and don't have to worry so much
Speaker 5: about the West Tigers.
Speaker 1: I've always told you to think how good off seasons are,
Speaker 1: you know, September.
Speaker 2: I love you off season, Eddie love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you for everyone's submissions on the West Tigers forum.
Speaker 1: I reckon it's a record amount of submissions because I
Speaker 1: was writing them all down the TSAVO. So what I'll
Speaker 1: do is I'll read out half of them now and
Speaker 1: I'm going to read out the other halfway through. The
Speaker 1: podcast started with Snake, my man Snake. He went with reserves.
Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere, Snake said, when we've got so
Speaker 1: many reserve graders. Dirty Reds went with speed. Panthers are
Speaker 1: on a different level in terms of rock speed, line speed,
Speaker 1: and ball movement. Irlwood Tiger said, ruddless, farmer, Rondo directionless, clueless,
Speaker 1: Mike said slow in terms of line speed, kick Chase
Speaker 1: played the ball attack Spoon races back on, he said,
Speaker 1: with the two bottom sides winning and on the richometer
Speaker 1: we were poor. Nat Max seventy eight. Word was variety.
Speaker 1: We have none of it with the ball in attack.
Speaker 1: Wagat Tiger said, done done until there are changes. I'm done,
Speaker 1: he said. We keep buying and extending the wrong player.
Speaker 1: We need quicker guys that can run harder. Mac Tiger.
Speaker 1: The word was tailorball. We played right into their hands.
Speaker 1: Tigers two to You went with gear we could not
Speaker 1: get out of first gear. LFC Tiger said gutless. He
Speaker 1: said he switched it off with ten minutes ago. There
Speaker 1: was no go forward, no kick chase. Three wins in
Speaker 1: a row with this club, he said, is it going
Speaker 1: to be impossible? Doesn't like the cattle, but Benji is
Speaker 1: not helping us with his game plans. Tiger's fifty one
Speaker 1: fifty simply said outclassed the remote robotic machine of Penrith
Speaker 1: was back, but he did say we never gave up
Speaker 1: and Throuver was incredible. Cambra Tiger's word was rocks. He said,
Speaker 1: we have too many rocks and diamonds type of players
Speaker 1: mentioned Adam Dewey, Alex Twele, Staff for Tower, save Farth
Speaker 1: stains Bird and he said even Polo is going a
Speaker 1: little bit that way. Lorenzo went with two two. We
Speaker 1: need two backs for Skelton and Tower, and we need
Speaker 1: two forwards for Sata, Twilve and ad Declin the last
Speaker 1: ten weeks only well, the last ten games, I should say,
Speaker 1: because it's been a million buyers and what not going on,
Speaker 1: we've only won two of them, and they've been by
Speaker 1: one and two points. So if I was to do
Speaker 1: the form ladder over that past ten weeks, would we
Speaker 1: be the worst side in that period? Perhaps that's the
Speaker 1: way we're playing.
Speaker 4: I'm not prepared to go that far.
Speaker 3: I think that we've had conversations about how although in
Speaker 3: that losing streak we were losing the game obviously that
Speaker 3: if I think or two went away, then you know,
Speaker 3: you could walk with a few real wins.
Speaker 4: So I don't think we would be the worst team.
Speaker 3: We definitely be bottom four probably, I think that's probably
Speaker 3: a fair assumption. But I think there have been like
Speaker 3: a few teams a little bit wise than ours, but
Speaker 3: probably clutching it strives a little bit, and you know,
Speaker 3: we haven't been great and probably deserved to be bottom
Speaker 3: for at this point.
Speaker 1: Sort of some different narratives going on at the moment,
Speaker 1: Nick with a lot of those sides that are jostling
Speaker 1: in that bottom six or seven, But.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: I know it's not easy to compare game to game
Speaker 1: and week to week and looking at three different sides.
Speaker 1: But the first time we played the Warriors, we went
Speaker 1: down on the bell, and the first time we played
Speaker 1: the Panthers, we pushed him for eighty minutes. And the
Speaker 1: second time we played both those sides, we've been whacked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have been.
Speaker 5: That game on the weekend against the Panthers, we did
Speaker 5: get whacked. I'm just thinking about Joel's favorite word, physicality.
Speaker 5: Like we were, like Declan said, we had a real
Speaker 5: go early. I thought the first twenty minutes wasn't too bad. Actually,
Speaker 5: when we got in front with that penalty goal, you know,
Speaker 5: there's a part of me that feel like we're heading
Speaker 5: the school board, and the other part thought, okay, how
Speaker 5: long until Penrith score and.
Speaker 2: It starts flooding the other way.
Speaker 5: But the longer that game went on against the Panthers,
Speaker 5: we just got dominated physically, which takes me back to
Speaker 5: Joel's word, But yeah, every team just seems to have
Speaker 5: it over as physically. The power game, we just seem
Speaker 5: to lack and like I think definitely you said that
Speaker 5: the speed of our game was quite slow, and I
Speaker 5: know we've spoken about the playable speed over you know,
Speaker 5: several pods not in the not too not too long ago.
Speaker 5: So we do seem a little bit sluggish, and it
Speaker 5: just seems like we don't have the stamina to go
Speaker 5: with a lot of these bigger, faster teams either. So
Speaker 5: we're definitely been dominating. I think that's just starting to
Speaker 5: show on the scoreboard of it too. We just can't
Speaker 5: keep up with a lot of teams.
Speaker 3: I think that the most disappointing thing for me was
Speaker 3: that we just couldn't create anything like in the middle
Speaker 3: of the field with like bowl playing or like damaging
Speaker 3: runs or anything like that, because we have two many
Speaker 3: kind of work right forwards who you know, like on
Speaker 3: their own or like quite reliable defenders, but no one
Speaker 3: that you can really say, oh, you give him the ball,
Speaker 3: he's either going to break a tackle or he's going
Speaker 3: to poke his head through and get a quick play
Speaker 3: the ball. That we didn't really have anyone in that
Speaker 3: four pack right now that can do it consistently.
Speaker 4: I think for no Apole. He's probably the closest thing you.
Speaker 3: Have to that kind of player, but unfortunately he has
Speaker 3: been a little bit inconsistent this season, if not a
Speaker 3: little bit disappointing in the last few weeks. I think
Speaker 3: he turned it on a little bit against the Go
Speaker 3: Coast in the second half, but it's not to the
Speaker 3: point where you need it to match teams like Penrith,
Speaker 3: like we order was like that. Even that Penrith player
Speaker 3: from off the bench, I don't even know his name.
Speaker 3: He's a rookie, but he came on and he.
Speaker 4: Like nearly, you know, he probably much nearly ran like
Speaker 4: you know, forty meters to score a try.
Speaker 3: He just burst through a line, and you know, they
Speaker 3: just have a lot more balance in their team.
Speaker 4: And then when you're.
Speaker 3: Not able to we weren't able to score off structure,
Speaker 3: no back line moves or anything like that. But then
Speaker 3: we also wren a able to create anything ourselves off
Speaker 3: the cuff leave because we don't have those athletes to
Speaker 3: make the chances for us at the moment.
Speaker 1: Nick, I'll last declan, Oh sorry, I'll ask you similar
Speaker 1: question that I asked Declan. I'll just sort of rephrase it.
Speaker 1: Are we going backwards this season compared to the first
Speaker 1: ten weeks to these last ten weeks.
Speaker 5: I definitely don't think we're in a team that started
Speaker 5: the year. And I guess it's probably easy too, when
Speaker 5: you're starting round one and everyone's level pegging on zero points,
Speaker 5: so you know you're not climbing a ladder. You're starting
Speaker 5: out neck and neck, and you're seeing how you can
Speaker 5: go to first four to six to eight weeks where.
Speaker 2: You can compete.
Speaker 5: And I remember very early in the season saying if
Speaker 5: we could get to origin about fifty to fifty, then
Speaker 5: I think we're in a really good spot. And we've
Speaker 5: pretty much done that, and then the wheels fell off.
Speaker 5: I can't argue with you, Eddie, I think we are
Speaker 5: going backwards. I think maybe a lot of that too,
Speaker 5: has to do with just the confidence of the boys
Speaker 5: in the inexperience to be able to compete for long
Speaker 5: periods of time. We've shown over quite a few seasons.
Speaker 5: I know we haven't won many games prior to this
Speaker 5: year in the last few years before that, but we've
Speaker 5: shown we can perform for two or three weeks at
Speaker 5: the time and win some games against good opposition. But
Speaker 5: then we fall in a heap and fall for the radar.
Speaker 5: And we haven't had as many blowout losses this year
Speaker 5: compared to previous years, only that huge one against the Storm.
Speaker 5: I'm worried what might happen this week against the Dogs,
Speaker 5: and we'll get to that a bit later. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I can't disagree any which is why. Also I'm looking
Speaker 5: towards the end of the season, I think the whole
Speaker 5: club needs to reset. I think we've shown some improvement
Speaker 5: this year, but yeah, I'm worried for what might come
Speaker 5: over the next six weeks. I just don't want it
Speaker 5: to fall off the cliff and have all of that
Speaker 5: hard work just thrown in the garbage bin, you know,
Speaker 5: leading in the next season.
Speaker 3: I think it's a tough question because I think the
Speaker 3: thing with like the really good and ERL teams is
Speaker 3: that they improve from the start of the year. That
Speaker 3: maybe why we managed to pinch some of those early games,
Speaker 3: because like teams aren't starting at their peak.
Speaker 4: But obviously we put a lot into.
Speaker 3: Starting well being a struggling club because that's kind of
Speaker 3: what you need to do. So I don't necessarily think that,
Speaker 3: you know, we've had a massive immigration from the start
Speaker 3: of the year. I just think that other teams have
Speaker 3: either gotten better or just hit form and they went
Speaker 3: well passes to the point that we look worse and
Speaker 3: then at the start of the year. But in reality,
Speaker 3: other teams are just playing better, and we're playing teams
Speaker 3: they are going to be playing finals frety that time.
Speaker 4: They've won really really well, and they're just like just
Speaker 4: too classy for us at the moment.
Speaker 3: That's all happen with Penrith, and it'll probably be it
Speaker 3: will probably be what happens with the Bulldogs unfortunately, but yeah,
Speaker 3: just it is what it is.
Speaker 5: We did have a reasonably favorable drawer at the start
Speaker 5: of the year too. I know, we played a lot
Speaker 5: of teams that weren't expected to be in in that
Speaker 5: top half of the letter early on and now we're
Speaker 5: sort of, you know, back in starting to come up
Speaker 5: against a lot of the teams that are aboves and
Speaker 5: we'll be playing final So maybe that helped to you know,
Speaker 5: get us off on the right foot early on in
Speaker 5: the season. But maybe that's hindering is coming home too.
Speaker 5: But it's a long year, isn't It's a long when
Speaker 5: you keep missing Yate.
Speaker 6: Long Five Years Podcast I totally disagree with both of you
Speaker 6: guys points about sort of stronger clubs being asleep at
Speaker 6: the start of the season and you know, like Penrith
Speaker 6: taking their time to get into gear.
Speaker 1: But Deck on, why why shouldn't we improve, Well, we
Speaker 1: get better throughout the season, you're saying, I know it's
Speaker 1: not thinking we're not going backwards, but why should we
Speaker 1: stagnate or not improve like other teams throughout the season just.
Speaker 3: On the out level, because other teams have the luxury
Speaker 3: of having the same team from like round one to now.
Speaker 3: But we've chopped and changed so much. I think we
Speaker 3: talked about it last week. We've had different house combinations
Speaker 3: who are different rules. We've had we haven't had massive injuries,
Speaker 3: but we've had like a Spain player here out for
Speaker 3: a few weeks, a Spain player there out for a
Speaker 3: few weeks. So like, we've just had no like runs
Speaker 3: on the board. Well, obviously we did when Galvin was here,
Speaker 3: but when he left and that drastically changed our entire attack.
Speaker 3: Everyone is now in a new role, maybe besides Bula
Speaker 3: who's probably going to come back and playing that right side.
Speaker 3: But Lula had to change the game, and you have
Speaker 3: to bring in Lato Finder, who's another rookie. He finds
Speaker 3: his feet as well, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: your edges are different, your left edge is different. So
Speaker 3: I just think that part of the reason why we
Speaker 3: haven't like shown much, we haven't seen much improvement because
Speaker 3: we've just had to make so many like running repairs
Speaker 3: throughout the season. And yes, obviously there's like other things
Speaker 3: like the maybe like attitude and defense that definitely could
Speaker 3: be better, like one in one efforts like particular star
Speaker 3: for Toa and scaling against Penrith on the weekend. But
Speaker 3: I do think there is a few years to look at,
Speaker 3: like within the four walls of Concord. Like, I think
Speaker 3: like combinations would be a big reason as to why
Speaker 3: we haven't seen that gradual improvement. Not to say that
Speaker 3: we've been on par with all the top teams, but
Speaker 3: I do think if it was a more settled combination,
Speaker 3: clean squad, we would be played a lower better.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the Galvin one because there's no doubt
Speaker 1: like that was a big distraction and not just a
Speaker 1: distraction taking out one of your spine players you would
Speaker 1: have trained with three or four months of pre season
Speaker 1: a lot of the attack revolved around him. He was
Speaker 1: getting more ball than Luye and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, eight weeks in he's ripped out of your
Speaker 1: team and gone. That is a big thing with all
Speaker 1: the media and stuff that comes with it. But Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying the injuries one. I'm just not I
Speaker 1: looked at clubs injuries today. South Sydney got a whole
Speaker 1: team out. The Dolphins have got eight out, Bruis's have
Speaker 1: got eight out, Warriors have got two of their best
Speaker 1: players out. Our casualty ward at the moment is Darene Buller,
Speaker 1: who's back this week. And there's one other injury I
Speaker 1: think Samuel Fine. It was the only other injury. So
Speaker 1: we had the least We currently have the least amount
Speaker 1: of injuries in the competition. And I would say well
Speaker 1: down to Peter Musa and the performance staff there at Concord,
Speaker 1: because I think in general this season we've been able
Speaker 1: to run out most of our top seventeen most weeks
Speaker 1: stick on.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: I just disagree with that because I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: the injuries are why they haven't been playing well. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying that there's been like like a little like
Speaker 3: unfortunate injury to one player who's missed this chunk of
Speaker 3: time on the sideline and he comes back and then
Speaker 3: another person gets messed up.
Speaker 1: For example, how many Cubs could say that, every club
Speaker 1: in the NROL could say that, couldn't they?
Speaker 3: Well, like you look at the radios and they've like
Speaker 3: pretty much had like a like a pretty consistent spin
Speaker 3: going through the whole time. I don't really remember any
Speaker 3: of them getting injured.
Speaker 4: And I think that, like, I get what you mean.
Speaker 3: As a part of the game, injuries are something you
Speaker 3: have to deal with. But I'm just saying, like, oh,
Speaker 3: why haven't we improved? And that's just why I think
Speaker 3: we haven't improved, because we just haven't gotten the runs
Speaker 3: on the board. I think that lul I messed a
Speaker 3: little bit of time at start of the year with
Speaker 3: that showed injury. Then with Origin really has been out
Speaker 3: with that answeringer we lost Galvin last Is coming back
Speaker 3: from injury also, he like barely plays the first half
Speaker 3: of this season. He's pretty much been the only like
Speaker 3: fully fit Spain player we've hired. But I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that we've been hard done by it by injuries. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying that this stuff impacts the team in the
Speaker 3: cohesion of the team when, as you said, they wrapped
Speaker 3: out like the most high percentage usage player of the
Speaker 3: ball in Galvin, and the other guys just haven't had
Speaker 3: the reps together a lot of preseason either.
Speaker 4: And it's not an.
Speaker 3: Excuse because you know they need to do better than that,
Speaker 3: especially against Pendrith, which is looked hopeless.
Speaker 4: But that's just how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I just look at other spines, Nick, and
Speaker 1: I know they've got stronger rosters. But I look at
Speaker 1: the Warriors. They're missing Metcalf. They've continued to win games.
Speaker 1: I know they didn't win on the weekend. Bulldogs have
Speaker 1: now got Galvin at halfback. Other teams have had distractions
Speaker 1: through origin. I just think compared to like a Paramota
Speaker 1: who's had Mitchell Moses out for ten or twelve weeks,
Speaker 1: I actually think we've had a reasonable run taking out
Speaker 1: that Galvin, you know, left the club because that he's
Speaker 1: a big one. But I still think, you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day that that playing squad of thirty,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of work to do on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of work and I know, like Declan said,
Speaker 5: we did talk about this last week as well. I
Speaker 5: know that the core group has probably stayed fairly stable
Speaker 5: over you know, however, many rounds of twenty one or
Speaker 5: so rounds of footy but that we've played. But like
Speaker 5: Declan said, there's been a lot of musical chairs on
Speaker 5: the field, and it happened again on the weekend. I
Speaker 5: didn't even realize. It took me a lot to realize
Speaker 5: when Lato got taken off for Rest and Dewy shifted
Speaker 5: into the halves alongside Jerome like a lot.
Speaker 2: That stuff happens every week.
Speaker 1: I guess that's true, Nick, But is that coaches problem
Speaker 1: or injuries?
Speaker 5: Well, no, that would be a coaching decision. I don't
Speaker 5: know about a problem. And I get it that Benji
Speaker 5: was probably looking for an alternate, you know, way of
Speaker 5: playing because we weren't getting anywhere against the Panthers doing
Speaker 5: what we're doing. So no, I don't think we've been
Speaker 5: smashed by in actually looking at the Round one team
Speaker 5: that we put on the park against Newcastle, and it's
Speaker 5: funny because our sides are quite different. There's about fifty
Speaker 5: percent of our starting team there that didn't play for
Speaker 5: us against the Panthers on the weekend. Albeit I think
Speaker 5: Happy was suspended Round one, I think Buller was injured
Speaker 5: THEAH there were a few issues there early on in
Speaker 5: the season. But yeah, like I said, we've had the
Speaker 5: same fairly big core of players playing. I don't think
Speaker 5: we have as many key players as a lot of
Speaker 5: other teams do in those key positions. And when we
Speaker 5: do have someone out like Buller over the last few weeks,
Speaker 5: like that's and Sam Feyner as well, like that creates
Speaker 5: a massive impact in the way that we play. So
Speaker 5: you know, Buller is a huge impact in our attack.
Speaker 5: And even Sam Feiney, like Gary's been saying quite a
Speaker 5: few times recently that you know Sam feyn who has
Speaker 5: been really looking pretty dangerous with his combination out there
Speaker 5: and that left side, and he's been hitting a lot
Speaker 5: of half holes and very nearly getting through. So he's
Speaker 5: looking like he's improved the course of this season but
Speaker 5: just hasn't quite got there.
Speaker 2: But a lot of chop changing.
Speaker 5: Hopefully we can get set on a Round one team
Speaker 5: next year and maybe have a bit more stability as
Speaker 5: next season goes on and we need something to build off.
Speaker 5: So I just see all this chop changing look Decuitely
Speaker 5: was talking about with the cohesion disruption, that obviously doesn't
Speaker 5: help your team, especially in the team that's been struggling
Speaker 5: for so long. I think you just need a bit
Speaker 5: of stability as a platform to then build off.
Speaker 1: I mean, Penrith obviously decked on a clear benchmark and
Speaker 1: they were close to their very best on the weekend.
Speaker 1: That was a Penrith special what they produced on the weekend.
Speaker 1: But I was just interested when you mentioned that playoff
Speaker 1: the bench and I can't remember his name either. I've
Speaker 1: got no idea, but my question was going to be,
Speaker 1: is that a talent thing or is that purely a
Speaker 1: coaching and system thing that players we've never heard of
Speaker 1: can look so much better in a Penrith team compared
Speaker 1: to say it's West Tiger's team.
Speaker 3: I think it's a cultural thing in the sense that
Speaker 3: because they're playing with better players, or they're training with
Speaker 3: better players on their path to first grade, like from
Speaker 3: the very moment they come into the squad, they kind
Speaker 3: of have to to get to the level or somewhere
Speaker 3: near that level of like the Moses Leoda as Lindsay
Speaker 3: Smith is and the Aos before they're ready to come
Speaker 3: into first grade.
Speaker 4: Where there's teams like us, we tend to blood.
Speaker 3: Players a little bit earlier to give them opportunity to
Speaker 3: learn in first grade. But in the kind of top
Speaker 3: end teams, it's kind of the opposite where they kind
Speaker 3: of have to learn in a reserve grade because they're
Speaker 3: not yet ready to play at the intensity in the
Speaker 3: level that is required of Penrith to like go deep
Speaker 3: into the finals. So when they do come into first grade,
Speaker 3: they're just a lot more ready to hit the ground running.
Speaker 4: And also, like he was coming off the bench, Penith,
Speaker 4: we're pretty dominant.
Speaker 3: So you know, like not like credit to him was
Speaker 3: really good run, but yeah, I'm not I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: that we were like, as Joe would like to say,
Speaker 3: the most physical side with these sort of things.
Speaker 4: And I think we were kind of like confidence shot
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: But I do think that that's something to be said about,
Speaker 3: like these teams have more team to develop the players
Speaker 3: than we do, because younger players at our club are
Speaker 3: kind of as we sawtored as ever things they're not
Speaker 3: playing five speed, they kind of want to leave. But
Speaker 3: because Penmuth have that success, I think they're willing to
Speaker 3: kind of stay because they want to be part of
Speaker 3: that Premiership Perth persh at that club, which we don't
Speaker 3: have at the moment, So it's kind of a catch
Speaker 3: twenty two. But that's just a deference I see at
Speaker 3: the moment.
Speaker 1: We've spoken Nick a lot about our attack this year.
Speaker 1: I think that's because most we feel most our good
Speaker 1: players are in that spine Buller and Happy and Luye,
Speaker 1: and we've been frustrated how clunky it looks. But I
Speaker 1: still think there's grounds for optimism there. But the main
Speaker 1: concern I have at the moment is this forward pack,
Speaker 1: whether it's contact, collision, line speed, physicality, Like Terrell May
Speaker 1: is probably our only forward outside Appy at nine that
Speaker 1: other teams look at and Penrith. Both times we played
Speaker 1: interesting stat Both times we played Penrith, they've made him
Speaker 1: do fifty tackles and the other teams have been making
Speaker 1: him do thirty eight thirty nine. So they just went
Speaker 1: at him and tied him out. And I think it
Speaker 1: was his least run meet as he's had for ten weeks,
Speaker 1: and there's just not a lot of variety or punch
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. I know it was
Speaker 1: difficult on the weekend because Alex Safaf and Tony Souker
Speaker 1: on the edge. Ideally we have Samuel and we have
Speaker 1: KPP next year, but the rest of that bench and
Speaker 1: starting forward pack really got smashed when they went one out.
Speaker 2: Yeah they did.
Speaker 5: Look I'm a huge Terrell fan. I love him and
Speaker 5: I wouldn't replace him for anyone. He's a massive workhoorse
Speaker 5: and like you've pointed out, Eddie, he's on the field
Speaker 5: for so long, he's going to be a target and
Speaker 5: he's going to be a dominant forward. So if opposition
Speaker 5: teams can get on top of Terrell and I did
Speaker 5: notice in the second half that he's very hard to
Speaker 5: bring down, but when they do bring him down, they
Speaker 5: tend to get him onto his back filly easily, and
Speaker 5: because he's such a big boy, that slows the plata
Speaker 5: ball down as well. But he's doing a lot of work,
Speaker 5: but he doesn't have that high impact speed that I
Speaker 5: would say something like Fanua Ballet has when he is
Speaker 5: playing at his best. And like you said, definitely, I
Speaker 5: don't think we've seen the best of fuer this season.
Speaker 5: He's shown patches of it, but consistently I think we've
Speaker 5: missed out a little bit, and I know he had
Speaker 5: a little bit of time out with injury as well
Speaker 5: during the year, but we need someone like Faniti's best.
Speaker 5: We need probably another one or two players like that too.
Speaker 5: I know he went out and bought Royce Hunt during
Speaker 5: the off season. Yeah he's not he's not the quickest prop,
Speaker 5: but he's big barnstorming prop. It's so frustrating that he
Speaker 5: can't get back into the team. And whether they're trying
Speaker 5: to get his minutes up in Cup, whether he's got
Speaker 5: to meet fitness standards to get back into the first
Speaker 5: grade team, if that's the sole reason, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 5: But we definitely need that high impact for that can
Speaker 5: produce at least forty minutes of the game as well
Speaker 5: to give us a bit more of a platform. But
Speaker 5: Alex Tyler love him him and sayfa you know, they're toilers,
Speaker 5: but that's probably all they're ever going to be. They're
Speaker 5: not going to bend the line over when they run
Speaker 5: the ball up. You know, they're never going to stop trying.
Speaker 5: And that's what I love about those two guys. And
Speaker 5: I know Richo said it in a pod.
Speaker 2: It was a while ago.
Speaker 5: That you need players like that, and you do, but
Speaker 5: you need guys additionally to that that have a point
Speaker 5: of difference and that can make an impact on a game.
Speaker 2: So I think we're a little bit short.
Speaker 1: I'm just hovering around this sort of question again, deckling
Speaker 1: around playing roster versus coaching, in which one is sort
Speaker 1: of more culpable for losing eight of l last ten.
Speaker 1: But I'll just give you these four names who are
Speaker 1: in our starting pack, and you just tell me yes
Speaker 1: or no whether you think they'd start for most NROL teams.
Speaker 1: Alex Safer no, Tony Suka No, Alex Twil.
Speaker 4: Probably not.
Speaker 1: Adam Dey no, okay. And I'll give you our bench
Speaker 1: and you tell me how many of these guys would
Speaker 1: make the bench at other NERL clubs. Tristan Hope no,
Speaker 1: Jack Byrd no.
Speaker 4: For no pol yes.
Speaker 1: And one who's the last find he forgot his first name, Ernie.
Speaker 4: You would, I think you would.
Speaker 1: Okay, So a couple. But that's out of the eight
Speaker 1: guys I've asked you. You've given me probably two and
Speaker 1: a half yes is out of eight. In that forward back,
Speaker 1: is there is there anyone within the club that we're
Speaker 1: missing currently? Or do we have to go and recruit
Speaker 1: Nick in this area. I know KPP is coming and
Speaker 1: Sam Well is coming back, so the edge back row
Speaker 1: is looking a lot better, but the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: for me, there's just.
Speaker 2: Not enough punch. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5: I have an alternate opinion that I did put onto
Speaker 5: the forum. Actually I put on Facebook in our podcast
Speaker 5: Facebook group, and I got shot down pretty hard. But
Speaker 5: if you just and Gary would be sitting there shaking
Speaker 5: his head if he was listening. But with Jock Madden
Speaker 5: coming in next year, and I know he's not Adam Reynolds,
Speaker 5: but I can see a benefit of moving Latin back
Speaker 5: to the thirteen Jersey only because I think he's got
Speaker 5: great ball skills. He's got a great passing game. He
Speaker 5: could easily stand in the middle and deliver it left
Speaker 5: or right depending on what he sees. He's a really
Speaker 5: good defender as well. I think he's got a point
Speaker 5: of difference over Adam Dewey. I think Jock Madden's got
Speaker 5: a bit more experienced the last couple of seasons playing
Speaker 5: under Adam Reynolds and learning about game management, and you
Speaker 5: let Jerome, you do the Jerome thing in the number
Speaker 5: six Jersey. I could see that working, but that's based
Speaker 5: on the squad that we've got going forward into next season.
Speaker 5: So obviously there's still an opportunity to recruit. If we're
Speaker 5: going to recruit, if we're not going to find someone
Speaker 5: like Adam Reynolds, or if we're not going to find
Speaker 5: an that Isaiao. I don't know who you bring in.
Speaker 5: I have heard a few people. I think I heard
Speaker 5: Robin the West Tiger's Life podcast talking about needing some
Speaker 5: back rowers, additional back rowers coming in to our team
Speaker 5: to strengthen this up.
Speaker 2: Well, I really like.
Speaker 5: KPP and Sam feyn who starting. It does worry me
Speaker 5: a little bit if one of them goes down like
Speaker 5: we've seen with Samuela.
Speaker 2: Who do you bring in? Because it's kind.
Speaker 5: Of like a massive pothole, isn't it like you lose
Speaker 5: Sam and you're pitching a hole with you so far?
Speaker 2: Or soccer.
Speaker 5: I don't mind soccer, but it's really dropping down in
Speaker 5: quality there, so there is some work to do.
Speaker 1: Filla Declanice. I don't know whether he's lost confidence or
Speaker 1: whether it's when he's come back from injury, but I
Speaker 1: feel like he's the one at the start of he
Speaker 1: was firing alongside Torrell, whether he's on the bench or starting,
Speaker 1: and he's really dropped off. I think that's heard us.
Speaker 4: Well. Next said, which I think is a good point.
Speaker 4: He has come back from an injury, so we don't
Speaker 4: really know how that has him for.
Speaker 1: About six weeks though from an injury. It's not like
Speaker 1: he's one week back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you never know like what he's carrying or
Speaker 3: if he's still liked then we just don't know those things.
Speaker 3: But I think with me, when I see him, I
Speaker 3: think when he makes like a really.
Speaker 4: Poer mess that dances confidence for his entire game.
Speaker 3: And he made some poor ones against the the Gold
Speaker 3: Coast last week, and he's also known to drop a ball,
Speaker 3: and I remember him saying in a press conference.
Speaker 4: That, like he's a real kind of like confidence player
Speaker 4: and Benji's we do.
Speaker 3: A lot of work out with him on like trying
Speaker 3: to like stay in the game, stay.
Speaker 4: Like you know, positive, and like back themselves.
Speaker 3: So I could imagine when you miss tackles, when you
Speaker 3: drop easy ball, then that can impact your whole performance.
Speaker 3: And at the moment, I think that that's probably it.
Speaker 3: But besides the injury part to it, but I do
Speaker 3: agree I've been I think we've needed more from him
Speaker 3: and like when we were And it's interesting because when
Speaker 3: he was starting in play well at the start of
Speaker 3: the year, we looked like a much better rounded four
Speaker 3: pact because we had Cheril May the kind of Workhourse
Speaker 3: in the middle, but then like Polly would have that
Speaker 3: impact off the bench along with Hunt.
Speaker 4: So having him our form is really hard. Is a lot.
Speaker 1: We'll circle back boys to talking about Chop Madden because
Speaker 1: I don't think we have done that yet on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and talk a little bit more about the halves. But
Speaker 1: Benji's press conference, I didn't learn a whole lot. It
Speaker 1: was fairly brief. One. He got a bit of flak
Speaker 1: for saying, you know, we tried to play like Penrith,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he really meant that. If he
Speaker 1: watched the whole press conference, I think he was basically
Speaker 1: saying we were in the grind with them for twenty
Speaker 1: or twenty five minutes and then they just strangled us
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 2: One ndred cent.
Speaker 5: They played like the bublanstricter really and I do agree
Speaker 5: actually that first twenty minutes it was set for set.
Speaker 5: I don't think our completion rate was too bad. I
Speaker 5: actually thought we were playing.
Speaker 1: Some decent one the first half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty good.
Speaker 5: We kicked, you know, that that penalty goal to go
Speaker 5: two points in front, and then I think we had
Speaker 5: another set or two after that before Penrith scored, so
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was actually too bad. And I
Speaker 5: haven't really watched the whole game any you. I have
Speaker 5: watched the highlights a couple of times and that was
Speaker 5: enough for me. But Penrith were clinical, like their completion
Speaker 5: rate was through the roof and I was listening I
Speaker 5: think it was triple them on Sunday coming home from golf.
Speaker 5: They were talking about how good Penrith were and they're
Speaker 5: hitting their straps, you know, at the right end of
Speaker 5: the season, and wasn't that long ago running seventeenth from
Speaker 5: the table, which is ridiculous. And you look at the
Speaker 5: way they are putting their games together. You know, it's
Speaker 5: all basic stuff. It's really strong, running the intense, it's
Speaker 5: huge from the start and they carried through an eightieth minute.
Speaker 5: Nathan Cleary is now playing like that, you know, origin
Speaker 5: halfback that we wish was informed a month or so ago.
Speaker 5: His kicking game was spot on. That kick that he
Speaker 5: put through for the try, which was actually knock one.
Speaker 5: I think it was Isaac Tango scored the second last try.
Speaker 5: That kick was amazing, like the angle that he managed
Speaker 5: to put on that grubber to have it bend back
Speaker 5: towards his attacking players on the right so that the
Speaker 5: post was freakish. But they're a class above. But I
Speaker 5: just think we've got our classed. I think Benji was
Speaker 5: probably speaking the truth. The boys had to go. He
Speaker 5: obviously had a game plan just to stick with the
Speaker 5: Panthers for as long as possible and hopefully you get
Speaker 5: some mistakes and you get some opportunities. But those opportunities
Speaker 5: didn't come. But they're playing like a real top four
Speaker 5: side Penriflet and I forget the top four, but.
Speaker 2: They're going to give it a shake again if they.
Speaker 1: Get in the top four. I reckon they're nearly favorites
Speaker 1: to win it again. Declan. You know, I like new segments,
Speaker 1: So I've got a new segment. You know, we've had
Speaker 1: segments about a rant. We've got Eddie's Analytics, which is
Speaker 1: inverted commons for Eddie's gambling. But this is called Monday Eddie,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a positive one because I
Speaker 1: actually watched the replay today and I've got a few
Speaker 1: things that maybe some people can just cling to out
Speaker 1: of this game, out of the wreckage of a thirty
Speaker 1: six to two defeat the first twenty five minutes of
Speaker 1: both halves, which is what sixty five percent of the
Speaker 1: game roughly, what was the score overall first twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes of both halves combined score.
Speaker 4: Going to be fourteen points to two, two.
Speaker 1: Nil Tigers two nil after twenty five minutes before Penris
Speaker 1: scored eighteen points. First twenty five minutes of the second
Speaker 1: half remained eighteen to two. So we got in the
Speaker 1: grind with them in both halfs for twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: And also in that first twenty minutes we repelled nineteen
Speaker 1: tackles I counted inside the twenty, so they had multiple
Speaker 1: shots at us. They put on a lot of their
Speaker 1: pet plays that they like to do. I even thought,
Speaker 1: guys that are going to get a bit of criticism,
Speaker 1: and rightly so, like on the on the right edge,
Speaker 1: defense Tower and Skelton and Latu made a few wrong decisions,
Speaker 1: but they also made some really good decisions in that
Speaker 1: first twenty minutes, if you watch it, they made some
Speaker 1: good tackles. So I actually thought that first twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes was really really good. When I watched the replay,
Speaker 1: and like I said, you know, I usually don't watch
Speaker 1: the replay, but forty eight hours after the game, I
Speaker 1: found a few positives there.
Speaker 4: Oh, Eddie, you always surprised me on Monday morning.
Speaker 1: We're all, it's not a Monday morning deck if you're
Speaker 1: in Scotland, but some money not whatever.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I just can't get my head. I
Speaker 4: just never expect what you're going to say anse things.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I get what you mean with the defense, but I
Speaker 3: just we had a few cracks and they're twenty Also
Speaker 3: in the first half that you know, we really should
Speaker 3: have been scoring if we had any sort of hope
Speaker 3: of like winning the game. We took the two points,
Speaker 3: which I kind of understand to get something that night,
Speaker 3: to be fair, Yeah, yeah, because obviously the plan was
Speaker 3: to grind out with them, so take the two points
Speaker 3: on offer get something out, but ideally they needed a
Speaker 3: score like soon after that.
Speaker 4: And then when Penrith I agree, like the first two tries, it.
Speaker 3: Didn't feel like the game was completely gone, but once
Speaker 3: they got to a third then you know, Penrith, it's
Speaker 3: not like them to give up a lead like that,
Speaker 3: and that's probably deflating because the Tigers probably know that
Speaker 3: as well, like if they were any chance, they to
Speaker 3: have to keep it within two scores, which they didn't
Speaker 3: manage to do. So I get you mean, like I
Speaker 3: think it's one of those things with like that the
Speaker 3: team is like a whole less week. You're not really
Speaker 3: accusing many players of like just per attitude and defense
Speaker 3: like a lot of the although I do think that
Speaker 3: we're starting to see low at that coup with some players.
Speaker 3: But yeah, either it's like a lack of talent, a
Speaker 3: lack of concentration and stuff like that, but it just
Speaker 3: it's all coming together.
Speaker 4: To create a kind of ugly canvas. At the moment.
Speaker 1: I watched the game rewatch it Nick for a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons, like I wasn't watching that closely in the
Speaker 1: pub sat there because were long way behind. And then
Speaker 1: I read a lot on Twitter and stuff about a
Speaker 1: lot of criticism around Benji Marshall and the game plan,
Speaker 1: and I thought I want to have a look at
Speaker 1: this and to be, I thought, and I'm not rugby
Speaker 1: lely courage or whatever I actually thought the first twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes because the criticism was, oh, we just tried
Speaker 1: to play like Penri. If we went one out, of
Speaker 1: course we're going to get smashed. The first twenty five minutes,
Speaker 1: I reckon. I counted eight of the first ten sets
Speaker 1: we actually shifted early in the tackle and made a
Speaker 1: little bit of yardist and then Taylor May getting held
Speaker 1: up over the line, which we nearly scored. There was
Speaker 1: Jerome's kicked for Appy which we nearly scored off, which
Speaker 1: was a dropout. I actually thought we threw a lot
Speaker 1: at them in the first twenty five minutes and just
Speaker 1: didn't get any reward.
Speaker 5: Completely agree that Tailor May, you know, no try where
Speaker 5: he was held up. How often does that happen? You know,
Speaker 5: where one of our players makes a half break or
Speaker 5: a break gets tackled a couple of meters before the
Speaker 5: line slides across, and as they slide across, the ball
Speaker 5: goes from on the ground to up in the air
Speaker 5: and they're held up like that just seems to happen
Speaker 5: more often than not.
Speaker 2: And then on the.
Speaker 5: Flip side, you've got Penris, was it Lindsay Smith's try,
Speaker 5: I can't remember which one it was was tackled a
Speaker 5: couple with a shorter line and just fell over the
Speaker 5: line on the line to put the ball down.
Speaker 2: So we seem to get those things go against.
Speaker 4: Us a lot.
Speaker 5: I did, Like Eddie you just mentioned there that quite
Speaker 5: a few times early on that we shifted the ball
Speaker 5: on the first or second tackle out left and right,
Speaker 5: and we did make some grounds that way as well,
Speaker 5: rather than just the one one.
Speaker 1: Was the any way we were making Graham, really.
Speaker 5: It was, and I didn't mind seeing that so and
Speaker 5: we were pretty thar with the way that we did that.
Speaker 5: We didn't make too many eras either, so that was working. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we just liked that that nocki ut punch. But you
Speaker 5: hotlighted a few opportunities we had just you know, we
Speaker 5: couldn't couldn't.
Speaker 4: Ask keke, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I just look at a team at Penrith and like, yes,
Speaker 3: they're obviously heading form, but as we all kind of said,
Speaker 3: they had a few opportunities on our line and they
Speaker 3: were repelled them. But then they came up with a
Speaker 3: different picture and threw something a little bit different.
Speaker 4: Ads with that short ball from.
Speaker 3: Your to Lindsey Smith, which just completely go of class,
Speaker 3: but it's also it's class talent, but it's also like
Speaker 3: game smarts and awareness to go like slightly outside the
Speaker 3: plan and offer something different for the defense to reactor.
Speaker 3: But as on the other hand, it was clearly like
Speaker 3: we had only like a few bars in the hentreet
Speaker 3: to score off of, and when that wasn't working, it
Speaker 3: was just flirting. But you can tell that obviously because
Speaker 3: their evolution is a team and you know, fourteen premiers,
Speaker 3: you know they're going to have that. But I just
Speaker 3: think that that's something that we're going to really need
Speaker 3: to build to, is to try and break down defenses
Speaker 3: and different ways rather than just like try and spread
Speaker 3: the ball tailing.
Speaker 4: Me get him one on one.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to show a lot more creativity
Speaker 3: because we just were no any of that didn't.
Speaker 5: Penrith target out right side like they well they were
Speaker 5: their attack was pretty full on, but the way that
Speaker 5: Stafford and Giro were backing off, they were sort of
Speaker 5: holding in defense and backing off even when right down
Speaker 5: our tro line like they just look like you're in
Speaker 5: the headlights. They looked like they didn't know what to
Speaker 5: do defensively.
Speaker 1: They're copying a lot of criticism, and rightly so because
Speaker 1: the second and the third try. I actually thought the
Speaker 1: second try rewatching it, which was when they just went
Speaker 1: down a short side and scored easily. I thought Latu
Speaker 1: was really lazy at marker and essentially gave Towat and
Speaker 1: Skelton almost no chance to defend that. But the third
Speaker 1: one was shocking, Like Declan said, like two minutes four halftime,
Speaker 1: how many times does this happened to us? You're still
Speaker 1: in the game at twelve to two, they get the
Speaker 1: ball two meters out from their own tryline with two
Speaker 1: minutes ago, and they do a shift eighty meters out,
Speaker 1: they make a break and Skelton and told we're just
Speaker 1: arm grabbing Declan on both of those, that was a.
Speaker 3: Killer, Yeah, I think particularly Tour, it's really commented his
Speaker 3: game the last few weeks, just his like tackle technique.
Speaker 3: I remember he had this one try with that Warrior's
Speaker 3: backroar just had maybe sendimeters to work with from the sideline,
Speaker 3: But because Tour went and I'm grabbing, he managed to
Speaker 3: pump his chest and the Warriors first scored.
Speaker 4: Obviously, we had already kind of lost the game by then,
Speaker 4: but I just think it's.
Speaker 3: A real worry that it started. The laziness is starting
Speaker 3: to creep into his game.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's kind the same with Paully, Like he's clearly playing
Speaker 3: hard and I don't know what his injury is.
Speaker 4: So I'm hesitant to like one.
Speaker 3: Hundred percent going on them because I don't know if
Speaker 3: me be like that's part of the reason, because he
Speaker 3: was defending like pretty well at the start of the season,
Speaker 3: and you know, it wasn't an issue, But nowadays, maybe
Speaker 3: that's like an attitude thing. Maybe that's just a kind
Speaker 3: of like he's on the wrong page with Skelton and
Speaker 3: they're getting explored and he's not getting himse helping the
Speaker 3: right possession to get the shoulder.
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure, but it's one of those things
Speaker 4: where I think.
Speaker 3: That if we were like a team with stronger death,
Speaker 3: then both of them that you could argue should be
Speaker 3: dropped for next week because it just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: It was just so Penrith, like they identified to roll
Speaker 1: may Nick in the middle, that they want to make
Speaker 1: him make fifty tackles, and they went after Skelton and Tower,
Speaker 1: and I actually, like I said earlier, I thought those
Speaker 1: guys actually made some good plays that no one's talking about,
Speaker 1: like defending bombs and diffusing raids, but they also made
Speaker 1: some poor plays. And I questioned staff And at the
Speaker 1: start of the year around little things like his body
Speaker 1: language and his wont every week. I'm starting to worry
Speaker 1: a little bit. I thought his first twelve weeks was
Speaker 1: really good, consistent, and I think Skeleton, since he's come
Speaker 1: back the second time from injuries, also just struggling a
Speaker 1: little bit with the week to week grind of first grade.
Speaker 2: I agree. What was the game was that the roosters
Speaker 2: of the Warriors game.
Speaker 5: We tell our injuries either his rister his elbow, but
Speaker 5: it was late in the game and he's been carrying
Speaker 5: that for a few weeks. And I know that we've
Speaker 5: been covering someone that can cover for him in the
Speaker 5: sense of spot on the on the bench the last
Speaker 5: few weeks as eighteenth man, but we haven't needed it.
Speaker 5: But there's something not quite right with with Stafford. Gerald
Speaker 5: looks like he's regressed a little bit in my opinion
Speaker 5: as well Eddie. But just one player I wanted to
Speaker 5: really give her up to was Sunita Rivera. He was
Speaker 5: amazing on the weekends. The amount of hit ups he makes,
Speaker 5: He's almost Brian Tolope like, he's making one to two
Speaker 5: hit ups every set, and just the speed and intensity
Speaker 5: hits the line.
Speaker 2: With is incredible.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I was sitting back there watching each set and
Speaker 5: every you know, every second fourth tackle he comes through
Speaker 5: over again. I'm thinking we're at the forwards, like, why
Speaker 5: don't we have forwards doing one or two runs every
Speaker 5: set and there's this little winger slash fullback or filling
Speaker 5: fullback at the moment that's doing all the workload. But
Speaker 5: if anyone could, if everyone in the team could up
Speaker 5: their intensity and be more like the river would be
Speaker 5: a much better.
Speaker 1: Team for it. He's a fabulous footballer, Decklin Taruvera. He's
Speaker 1: clearly my favorite player in his team. And interesting, like
Speaker 1: watching that game today again, you can still see the
Speaker 1: Penrith qualities in some of our guys that used to
Speaker 1: play for Penrith, Like Taylor May I thought was really
Speaker 1: good in a well beaten side. I thought Appy and
Speaker 1: Jerome really competed, and I thought Taruva, despite playing out
Speaker 1: of position, I think he ran two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: six meters, which was closed. I think Dylan Edwards ran
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty two. But there's just no quit
Speaker 1: in Tarouver. I thought he was outstanding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of that would probably come
Speaker 4: down to the fact that they're playing their ex club.
Speaker 1: He does it every week to reove He doesn't pick
Speaker 1: and choose when to put in. No, I think they
Speaker 1: do all the Pendth guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the Penrith guys.
Speaker 3: When you play like you know your mates and the
Speaker 3: team used to play for it, obviously you're going to
Speaker 3: want to get like a good account yourself because you
Speaker 3: want to win. But yeah, true has been super contested.
Speaker 3: I just really wish it was back on the wing
Speaker 3: and Rilla was there because it's just this compliment each
Speaker 3: other really really well. Because I do think that like
Speaker 3: Trevera's like playing really really hard, but we just lack
Speaker 3: that extra creativity and that extra roleper because he just
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have it and he can do all that
Speaker 3: great stuff from the waning style. But I feel bad
Speaker 3: because I'm just the one being negative. You guys are
Speaker 3: trying to be positive. I'm just dragging the conversation down.
Speaker 1: Role reversal tonight Declan. But Jerome, like again, I saw
Speaker 1: some positives in his game. I nick, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be honest, like, I know the pay packet obviously is
Speaker 1: going to be more attention, and he's come to the
Speaker 1: Tigers and he talked it up and said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to turn it around. So I get the scrutiny.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's playing a hell of a lot better,
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot different than he did at Penrith.
Speaker 1: I watched him mostly last year. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: been much worse. I don't think he's been much better.
Speaker 1: I think he plays typical sort of Jerome Leuwai game,
Speaker 1: and I think we found that out that seven is
Speaker 1: not really his position. I thought there were moments in
Speaker 1: that first twenty five minutes where a couple of short
Speaker 1: side plays he put away tailor may that kick for
Speaker 1: happy kius our. But there's other moments that you just
Speaker 1: can't do. Kick out on the fall. There was one
Speaker 1: short side kick where there was nothing on when we
Speaker 1: had him on the ropes. It was a bit of
Speaker 1: a mixed bag.
Speaker 5: Again, Jerome's got that habit of a little bit Benji
Speaker 5: like the occasional kickout in the full or the occasional
Speaker 5: poor pass, and he did in Origin as well, thinking
Speaker 5: it was a game too where he kicked out in
Speaker 5: the full in one of our early sets there. But
Speaker 5: I kind of agree, yea, I don't. I think Jeromes
Speaker 5: obviously trying his butt out. I think when you look
Speaker 5: at the way that Penrith play against how West Tigers play,
Speaker 5: and we spoke about it earlier, Penrith played with that
Speaker 5: little bit more intensity and that little bit more speed
Speaker 5: and that little bit more power, which obviously gives players
Speaker 5: like Jerome, who is quick and agile, to be able
Speaker 5: to create off the back of that. And I think
Speaker 5: if you slow down that Penrith team five percent to
Speaker 5: what the speed that the West Tigers play, it kind
Speaker 5: of hinders those attacking players, especially Jerome lasts who are
Speaker 5: up at the front, you know, trying to create off
Speaker 5: the back of what you forwards are doing. So that's
Speaker 5: that is a big issue, and that comes back to
Speaker 5: us really needing an impact proper, if not one to
Speaker 5: go in the next year, I don't know who's available anymore,
Speaker 5: but that's definitely a hole that we need to plug.
Speaker 1: Copy is copying a fair bit of criticism from Tigers
Speaker 1: fans deckline, Do you think it's fair? Like I think
Speaker 1: at least like maybe Appy realized two years ago he
Speaker 1: thought he could come in and turn this around, and
Speaker 1: now he's realizing the enormity of the playing for the
Speaker 1: West Tigers and what it means, because I don't think
Speaker 1: he's playing worse than he did last year for Penrith,
Speaker 1: but he's just not having the same impact on results.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's pretty unfair, to be honest, because
Speaker 3: like he's, as you said, like coming in from the
Speaker 3: like that the Premiership, that the premier team where your
Speaker 3: competentices that are high, and like obviously the compience is
Speaker 3: good because that's what we need to back ourselves.
Speaker 4: But I don't think anyone like rationally thought.
Speaker 3: That he was going to come in and we're going
Speaker 3: to be an automatic finals pick, like we are kind
Speaker 3: of like I like, obviously I think we all kind
Speaker 3: of picked to be a little bit ahead at the
Speaker 3: moment in terms of like maybe being like ten or
Speaker 3: eleven is not like you know, fighting it for the
Speaker 3: spin still.
Speaker 4: But I think that you know, like he's been a
Speaker 4: net positive in.
Speaker 3: Terms of like the off field culture. In terms of
Speaker 3: the the on field, I was hoping for a little
Speaker 3: bit better where we were currently are because I thought
Speaker 3: that as opposed to permitus, because he'd get more touches
Speaker 3: of the ball, that he'd have more chances to show
Speaker 3: his quality. That hasn't one hundred percent came through. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like you know, we've
Speaker 3: made a long term commitment to this player.
Speaker 4: You know, he's one of the captains of the club.
Speaker 4: I don't think we can throw the baby out with
Speaker 4: the bath water just because we're not where we were,
Speaker 4: We're not where we want to be.
Speaker 3: One year into his contract and I just look at
Speaker 3: you know, there's two more in our real team's coming
Speaker 3: in very very soon.
Speaker 4: They're going to have lots of salary cap money.
Speaker 3: Like everyone talks about how you know, he's not what
Speaker 3: the market player we need, But I just don't see
Speaker 3: hope in hell of like getting anyone like close to
Speaker 3: his quality with all this like market competition. I honestly
Speaker 3: think that we should be thankful that we have someone
Speaker 3: like him, even though we're not like where we want
Speaker 3: to be a team yet. But there's still so much
Speaker 3: like time to turn it around. So I do think
Speaker 3: the criticism has been a bit harsh, and it's just
Speaker 3: as you said, the pay packet when like we lose,
Speaker 3: it's just the first thing people will go to because
Speaker 3: that's people's expectation of what I have should do. So
Speaker 3: it makes sense, but I think it's harsh and I
Speaker 3: don't agree with it.
Speaker 5: If I can ask you a question, Ddy, let's want
Speaker 5: to clock back. You know, well, it's probably a couple
Speaker 5: of yearsness since he said he was coming. But if
Speaker 5: we did not have room way this season, if he
Speaker 5: didn't come to the club, where would we be right now?
Speaker 5: And what type of footy would we be playing?
Speaker 1: I think we'd be two or three wins worse off,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's all relative. Like people will say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, if he's worth two wins over the season,
Speaker 1: that's not much. But if you're coming off a low
Speaker 1: base where you've won four games for threes in a
Speaker 1: row or five games, if you can get to eight
Speaker 1: or nine games, that is a significant improvement. And it's
Speaker 1: also what he can bring in terms of recruitment the
Speaker 1: next couple of years, potentially getting to Ruver over, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And happy to stay. So I think, like Declin said,
Speaker 1: the on field football's maybe at times been a little
Speaker 1: bit airy fairy the way he's played. I don't think
Speaker 1: he adapted to playing half back. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to play half back again for US, But I
Speaker 1: don't think he's playing badly definitely.
Speaker 3: And I've seen the argument that like we could reallocate
Speaker 3: like the money he's on to a cheaper half with
Speaker 3: like similar results. I just don't buy that because rugbyleague
Speaker 3: it's not like football where you can get rid of
Speaker 3: a player's wages and you have like a massive kind
Speaker 3: of talent pool that you can kind of reinvest. Like,
Speaker 3: the market in rugby league is so skinny at the
Speaker 3: moment that I just don't think there's anyone that we
Speaker 3: could realistically get at the moment that would bring the
Speaker 3: impact and as you said, like the kind of marketability
Speaker 3: and the ability to use him as a kind of
Speaker 3: recruitment figurehead, because there's just nothing at the moment. And
Speaker 3: before that as well, how many times did we mess
Speaker 3: out on one of these market players like the trail
Speaker 3: like Metro Moses, Jo shattle Car And then when we
Speaker 3: do sign them and they don't hit the ground running,
Speaker 3: like we're forced to criticize them, like it just I
Speaker 3: think it's like a self fulfilling prophecy a little bit
Speaker 3: with them as at times and like obviously like people
Speaker 3: are entitled to criticize, like I'm not going to tell
Speaker 3: them not to, but yeah, I just see it's a
Speaker 3: little bit self destructive at this point.
Speaker 1: Let's do the back half of the one word submissions
Speaker 1: from the forum. Osmo seven went with urgent. See said
Speaker 1: there was a lack of lack of desire to do
Speaker 1: the basics well in terms of kick chase and running hard.
Speaker 1: Tigersman had the number eighteen in the eighteenth minute two points.
Speaker 1: He said that actually increased Penris confidence because he thought
Speaker 1: that meant that we couldn't score on them, and they
Speaker 1: took that attitude into the rest of the game. He
Speaker 1: reckons all teams below us are playing much better, but
Speaker 1: he said Taylor and Taruvera tried really hard. London Tiger
Speaker 1: went with Mongrel. We lack it, especially in the forwards
Speaker 1: Therell's doing the job of two. We're running on empty.
Speaker 1: Kiwi Tiger said rich O, something has to be done.
Speaker 1: Five hit ups and a kick playing ross is bad
Speaker 1: coaching is not much better. I'm paraphrasing here. Mister Anonymous
Speaker 1: twenty six just went with uncoached Tiger town sfs's word
Speaker 1: was contest. We never can test bombs. At the end
Speaker 1: of set, Teddy s said up tempo, we don't have
Speaker 1: it in us. In attack or defense Tiger's eyes word
Speaker 1: was starts. We lack it. No punch that we don't
Speaker 1: get the line. He said, how good is Taruva? Time
Speaker 1: to get rid of tower CQ. Tiger said Orange, there's
Speaker 1: no juice left in the Orange Tiger symmetry. He was
Speaker 1: more on the positive side. It's time to remain calm.
Speaker 1: He said, no tantrums. Thank you, Tiger symmetry. I'll take
Speaker 1: that on board. He said. The roster is improving, we
Speaker 1: still need to impact forwards. Slow progress. Tiger Tragic fifty
Speaker 1: six said free Nick. He said, I'm free because he's
Speaker 1: decided he's not going to watch the Tigers for the
Speaker 1: rest of the year. And Matt V. Tiger said suffocators
Speaker 1: the suffocated. The Panthers are relentless. So thank you everyone
Speaker 1: for your submissions, despite the fact that it took me
Speaker 1: an hour to write all those out. Nick, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Jock Madden earlier. I think it's a good signing. He
Speaker 1: hasn't played any first grade this year, but I thought
Speaker 1: he was coming along quite well when in his previous
Speaker 1: incarnation at the club. He would have learned a bit
Speaker 1: off Adam Reynolds being in a pretty good system up
Speaker 1: at Brisbane. He comes back, I think he'll probably be
Speaker 1: the backup path. I think Latu will be the number seven,
Speaker 1: but there is a little bit of an unknown at
Speaker 1: the moment around Adam Dewey what he's going to do.
Speaker 1: When do you see him fitting in job Madam.
Speaker 5: I am under the same understanding that I think Josh
Speaker 5: Jock has been signed as a backup half, but he's
Speaker 5: played a bit of NRL and I can see him.
Speaker 5: I can see him adding value, like I said earlier,
Speaker 5: So I do think last two has obviously been told
Speaker 5: by Benji that he's the number seven going forward and
Speaker 5: I don't expect that to change. However, saying that before
Speaker 5: lat two was given the seven jersey, when he was
Speaker 5: coming off the bench and playing a bit of thirteen,
Speaker 5: I thought he was quite dangerous in that role, which
Speaker 5: is why I thought I could actually see him going
Speaker 5: back there. Even if it's for a short period of
Speaker 5: time or at intervals even to add something a bit different.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it'd be interesting to see what happens with ID.
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll be here. I think he might
Speaker 5: maybe end up with the Dragons again. I know he
Speaker 5: was almost there for this season. I think he did
Speaker 5: the preseason health examinational health test or fitness tests and
Speaker 5: didn't quite end up there for whatever the reason might be.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Jock coming back home. I think you'll definitely
Speaker 5: add some value to targets next season.
Speaker 1: Where do you say him fitting declar Jock Manath.
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty pretty clear that he'll be like
Speaker 3: the second string seven come and maybe play a little
Speaker 3: bit of five eighth for.
Speaker 4: Injured as well.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you'd be the first kind of half of
Speaker 3: the right to cover injuries. Obviously, he'll back himself to
Speaker 3: make it and the first grade team at some point,
Speaker 3: But I just I just think that latter has been
Speaker 3: given the go ahead to be like the long term seven,
Speaker 3: so we should at least try.
Speaker 4: And see what that looks like longer.
Speaker 3: And so I'm not sure that although I do love
Speaker 3: Madden from his first stint at the club, I'm just
Speaker 3: not sure that he has like the consistent like creativity
Speaker 3: to be like a first picked seven in the NROL yet,
Speaker 3: which isn't to say that he won't develop it, because
Speaker 3: he might, but I just thought that, you know, when
Speaker 3: he was at the club this first time, he was
Speaker 3: like really good and reliable in terms of that kind
Speaker 3: of like pure halfback stuff, but in terms of his
Speaker 3: creativity it was lacking a little bit. So we'll see
Speaker 3: if that's any different this time. But I'm really happy
Speaker 3: he's back at the club. By all reports, he was
Speaker 3: a great kind of person to be around the club.
Speaker 3: I think he's doing a lot of like community work
Speaker 3: up in Brisbane as well, which has been nominated for.
Speaker 4: What's the Community Spare Award for the Daly Ends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think he's been nominated for that, so
Speaker 3: that's good to see as a bit of a side.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think he's a good person having around
Speaker 3: the club. Glad he's back. I think he's probably better
Speaker 3: half stepth than what we have in a type of
Speaker 3: cup at the moment. So it's a little bit surely
Speaker 3: we're kind of vexing that depth that we're kind of
Speaker 3: complaining about the squad.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's a good one overall.
Speaker 5: Any only thing I'll ask you, Declan Laso Fino is
Speaker 5: he a six.
Speaker 2: Because more.
Speaker 1: It's a lot too. I know he hasn't played much
Speaker 1: foot the last couple of years, Declan, So I've been
Speaker 1: treading quite lightly around Latu the last few weeks because
Speaker 1: he's finding his way new half partner, dominant guy in Jerome.
Speaker 1: I think he's been a bit submissive the past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks playing with Jerome and then with Adam in
Speaker 1: the middle as well. Do you think he's taking a
Speaker 1: step back in terms of calling for the ball and
Speaker 1: demanding a bit more ball.
Speaker 4: I think it's difficult because.
Speaker 3: Like he has his job as to just straighten the attack,
Speaker 3: to give good clean ball to like people out Saidam.
Speaker 3: So it looks like, yeah, he needs to run the
Speaker 3: ball a little bit more, you know, as a little
Speaker 3: bit annoying because you know, all that talk about when
Speaker 3: Galvin left was that oh, actually, like you know, Louie
Speaker 3: and La two's combination is better anyway, So like that's
Speaker 3: like it could be like a long term good thing.
Speaker 3: I think that they have kind of not only I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say they haven't clicked, because they have at some points,
Speaker 3: but it just hasn't been kind of what I expected,
Speaker 3: because you're right, Lattwo hasn't really ran the ball that much,
Speaker 3: and yeah, they're just kind of treading on each other's toes,
Speaker 3: so it hasn't been as clean as I hoped it been.
Speaker 1: But I just remember, it's difficult diadectal log I think
Speaker 1: we're all guilty of, you know, straight away after a
Speaker 1: lost week out of the halves, but when your forward
Speaker 1: pack's getting smashed, it must be difficult on the field, dare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, definitely, But I don't think there is something
Speaker 3: because I just remember, like the first trial game against
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs, Latoo was playing seven that game as well,
Speaker 3: and he just he just didn't take the game by
Speaker 3: the scruff. And I know that's a cliche, but he
Speaker 3: just didn't like go for anything like kind It was
Speaker 3: through the motions, like passing, saying up for others, people,
Speaker 3: not really going side the script. And I can see
Speaker 3: him like he's kind of doing a little bit of
Speaker 3: that right now, like maybe he's not confident enough to
Speaker 3: go outside the script because obviously Jerome is a senior half.
Speaker 3: But I think we need a little bit more variety,
Speaker 3: as we've kind of talked about in this podcast, and
Speaker 3: I would like to see him run the ball more.
Speaker 3: I know that we said we probably all agree that
Speaker 3: Jerome isn't like a seven, but I would like to
Speaker 3: see him still be the dominant playmaker and take some
Speaker 3: of that pressure orf Flatto so that he can run
Speaker 3: the ball more. I think that's all him as the
Speaker 3: senior have to do, and hopefully they kind of yet
Speaker 3: a little bit more. But yeah, a little bit disappointing,
Speaker 3: but yeah, at the end of the day, what you
Speaker 3: said is true. Peripers back from them like they're just
Speaker 3: when they're when they're on, they're probably the best defense
Speaker 3: in the camp. And they knew, like because we didn't
Speaker 3: have and truer As playing fullback, you know, we had
Speaker 3: like one less They had one less ballplayer that they
Speaker 3: had to worry about, which makes it easier to shut
Speaker 3: down our ballplayers. And we also couldn't really get in
Speaker 3: their half either, which makes it easier for they're difficult
Speaker 3: for us. So yeah, so not massively concerned, but we're
Speaker 3: just late to see you a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, coach Benji got a bit of criticism
Speaker 1: or questions for taking him off. I wouldn't read too
Speaker 1: much into that. Like he's been on minutes restrictions the
Speaker 1: past couple of years. We're getting thumped fifteen minutes to go.
Speaker 1: I think if I wouldn't be expecting that to happen
Speaker 1: most weeks if it's a close game. I think he
Speaker 1: is the number seven and we're going to persist with
Speaker 1: it in the short to medium term. Just my last point, Nick,
Speaker 1: on the my new segment Monday Eddie, because it's the
Speaker 1: positive side. It's coming out today. Benji Marshall like, I've
Speaker 1: got such same concerns a lot of Tigers fans have,
Speaker 1: but I just had a look today. I know it's
Speaker 1: another sport, but I'm new to the twittersphear Nick. I've
Speaker 1: made a Twitter account and I'm just working out what
Speaker 1: a cesspit that is in Twitter. But I have made
Speaker 1: a few brave sort of posts. But I made a
Speaker 1: post today saying I know you don't follow AFL, and
Speaker 1: probably most Ruga League fans don't, but Northlwin Kangaroos have
Speaker 1: been the West Tigers the last ten years. They have
Speaker 1: been right down the bottom, right down the bottom for
Speaker 1: a decade. And you know who they got. They got
Speaker 1: a four time premiership winning coach from Hawthorne Alistair Clarkson
Speaker 1: signed a five year deal three years ago and he went,
Speaker 1: he's won ten games in three years, he wins, three wins,
Speaker 1: four wins. Benji's won thirteen games in two years. So
Speaker 1: that's just a little bit I think of a reality
Speaker 1: check of what it's like to turn around. I called
Speaker 1: it a terminally ill club on Twitter. Think that was
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit harsh, but a very ill club
Speaker 1: that's at the bottom. We're not quite you know, the
Speaker 1: Bulldogs haven't reached our depth. The Dragons haven't reached our depths.
Speaker 1: We've reached the complete depths the past decade. And if
Speaker 1: a premiership coach in another code won ten games in
Speaker 1: three years, maybe we should just back off Benji a
Speaker 1: little bit for winning thirteen games in two years.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts are you suggesting Benji should take up AFL coach?
Speaker 1: Well, well, I saw a few fans actually backed me
Speaker 1: on Twitter and said, well Benji maybe should get the
Speaker 1: blame for what's going on at North Melbourne Kangaroos. But no,
Speaker 1: I don't suggest he takes up AFL coaching. I don't
Speaker 1: watch North Melbourne play or any FAFL. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was an interesting comparison that I'll do talking about
Speaker 1: the game Boys. I don't decline, don't I want to
Speaker 1: see Macasini play. I don't think this is the week
Speaker 1: for it, because I think the Bulldogs are Penrith Mark two.
Speaker 1: They will target him and it would be a really,
Speaker 1: really difficult debut. I think I would wait till after
Speaker 1: the bye and pick a game out of those last
Speaker 1: four for him to play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I mean, you
Speaker 4: never know, like we.
Speaker 1: Hate agreeing with me. Don't you know? You said that
Speaker 1: was pain like Jesus, I agree.
Speaker 3: No, Like the honest is I just really don't want
Speaker 3: to play the Bulldogs, like I just don't want to
Speaker 3: watch Lost and Galvin, and I don't want to read
Speaker 3: my message.
Speaker 4: I group with you say how good loss of Cover?
Speaker 4: I'm actually dreading.
Speaker 3: It like so that the very thought who were like
Speaker 3: talking about the game makes me want to shiver and recoil.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I tend to agree.
Speaker 3: Not that I just don't see the utility and that
Speaker 3: for yers unless there's an injury, because if there's an injury,
Speaker 3: then you know what it.
Speaker 4: Is if you're in the first Gude squad.
Speaker 3: But yeah, i'd be playing them soon, just to you know,
Speaker 3: have a little bit of like, you know, something interesting
Speaker 3: to see for the future. But yeah, like my gutters
Speaker 3: also telling me that less as in the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't be out there at Combank. I just
Speaker 1: I don't want to sit out there Nick with twenty
Speaker 1: thousand Cannary fans. You know, they can be terrible at
Speaker 1: the best of times, and they're probably going to win
Speaker 1: the game. So I won't be out there. But I
Speaker 1: do think we'll actually put in a really good performance
Speaker 1: this week. I've got a funny feeling that they're not
Speaker 1: just going to talk it up because they have talked
Speaker 1: it up. I think a bit too much this year
Speaker 1: about how much they love Benji not shown it the
Speaker 1: next week on the field. I think they will shout
Speaker 1: this week, and I think it will be a close
Speaker 1: game against the Bulldogs, but I won't be out there
Speaker 1: to see it.
Speaker 2: I hope you're right.
Speaker 5: I don't have the same feeling. I have the opposite feeling.
Speaker 5: I feel quite sick actually thinking about the potential result
Speaker 5: this coming Sunday.
Speaker 2: However, saying that I hope you're right, Eddie.
Speaker 5: I really really hope that someone like Finopole can line
Speaker 5: up Locke Gavin early as LOCKI Gowan's about to receive
Speaker 5: a ball at first receiver and get absolutely hammered by
Speaker 5: his massive shoulder in Locky Galvin's ribs, and I hope
Speaker 5: knocks the window out of him for about forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: If it was us coaching, we would be really trivial
Speaker 1: like that and say, boys, if we're getting dirty, just
Speaker 1: someone take him out and break his leg or I
Speaker 1: know you can't say that as a coach, but Declan's
Speaker 1: got his thumbs up, so he's happy with that game plan.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 1: You know, I breathed the big sigh of relief last
Speaker 1: week because I thought we beat Gold Coast, we got
Speaker 1: the breathing space, and of course they come out and
Speaker 1: beat the Warriors, and then Paramatta come out and beat Brisbane,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, are you serious? Like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this wooden Spoon race is still on, like we've got
Speaker 1: a we've got a Seriously, I don't think we'll win
Speaker 1: this week, but the last four games we need another win,
Speaker 1: and I know we should be looking at another two
Speaker 1: wins because there's winnable games there. There's mainly at the SFS,
Speaker 1: as Cowboys that like up. There's Titans in the last
Speaker 1: round were just it would be hideous to go winless
Speaker 1: and get a wooden spoon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we wouldn't it. But where's the win coming from?
Speaker 5: So this week's going to be tough. I hope you're right,
Speaker 5: because I'm not.
Speaker 1: Saying they're going to be favorites. I'm just saying cowboys
Speaker 1: that like our I think it's a fifty to fifty game.
Speaker 1: I think the Titans on the Gold Coast I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be confident, but it's winnable and manly FS. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's great. Well, why we're playing at the SFS
Speaker 1: should be at light up, But anyway, it's at the SFS.
Speaker 1: That's that's somewhat winnable based on what I saw yesterday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree that we could win those games that
Speaker 5: the Cowboys whenn't like us.
Speaker 2: A big one for me.
Speaker 5: That's a Sunday afternoon, four oh five pm, so another
Speaker 5: hopefully nice sunny afternoon like the Old Girl, and I
Speaker 5: have heard that we're wearing the old two thousand and
Speaker 5: five retro jersey so yeah, twenty year anniversary, they'll be
Speaker 5: a nice fitting tribute as they run out. Just hopefully
Speaker 5: they don't reverse the result and they put in a
Speaker 5: good performance. But yeah, hopefully we can give Johnny Bateman
Speaker 5: around to remember come around twenty five like a.
Speaker 3: I think the Titans also, they don't have any buys left,
Speaker 3: but we have one stell Off or Sleep, so if that.
Speaker 4: Makes any sort of difference, I think it's something to consider. Well.
Speaker 1: I actually think declent looking at it, because I've been
Speaker 1: looking at the Wooden Spoon Race, you know, through a
Speaker 1: fine tooth comb all year. It's more exciting than a
Speaker 1: Premiership race. But I can tell you right now SOUS
Speaker 1: played the gold Coase in a couple of weeks. That's
Speaker 1: a huge game. I actually think SOUS could go winless
Speaker 1: given the amount of injuries they have. I think the
Speaker 1: Titans are going to win another couple, so as long
Speaker 1: as they both don't win another couple, because then we've
Speaker 1: got to win another one. But I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to start being negative in the last
Speaker 1: few minutes. All right, boys, that's Monday podcast done. I
Speaker 1: think Monday works better than Sunday, a better mood.
Speaker 2: I know it, definitely.
Speaker 5: I liked a couple of days any just to decompress
Speaker 5: and forget about the game a bit, and I can
Speaker 5: have a few drinks in the period of time just
Speaker 5: to sort of stabilize my emotions a bit.
Speaker 2: So you or a thoundand just a few thousand, So yeah.
Speaker 5: A good chance to calm it down and you know,
Speaker 5: joyfully talk about the worst the other boys.
Speaker 1: The other boys they did do. They were out in
Speaker 1: the studio this week doing the collab podcast with Rob
Speaker 1: So that was Steve, Gary and Joel host of that show.
Speaker 1: We are still waiting to receive it from the podcast studio,
Speaker 1: so we will put it out on our platform. We
Speaker 1: may even be in a position where we put both
Speaker 1: these pods out tomorrow Decklanes, so they'll be like competing,
Speaker 1: competing for our time.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Rumor has it that Gary Brighton's on Golden Maper phone,
Speaker 4: so if you're watching on YouTube, keep for that, and
Speaker 4: we try to tell it not to.
Speaker 3: But he just invested and he can be quite stubborn sometimes,
Speaker 3: so it's just best to let him do what he
Speaker 3: wants to.
Speaker 5: Rumor has it that Gary's just ordered a gold statue
Speaker 5: of himself from TIMU and he's putting it outside of
Speaker 5: the studio of PARAMOUNTA.
Speaker 2: So next to me, out PARAMOUNTA Away.
Speaker 5: Near the station you walk past, you see a big
Speaker 5: golden Gary, just give it a tap on the button.
Speaker 1: Say good day to Gary, big shore out to Gary. Boys,
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. So look out sometime tomorrow and
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have both those podcasts, and we'll also do
Speaker 1: a midweek one, probably Wednesday night or Thursday night, given
Speaker 1: we play Sunday. All right, boys, Thank you tok soon,
Speaker 1: Thanks you boys,