Speaker 1: So Craig told me it was gonna be a dud
of a day.
Speaker 2: And that's where we're getting started. Welcome to it. Just
the tomorrow I hang out with coffee. I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I can't even get through the opening because this day
was so insane. Welcome in everybody. I'm Rob Williams, C S. Creignant, Michael.
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Speaker 1: Forget about us, because you're here and you love it
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Speaker 2: It just means more.
Speaker 1: Are we sure my cup is empty? Tonight? It is late,
I'm cold, I need I need some coffee. Craig definitely
needs coffee as he spills his ice out of his
wine tumbler that did not have wine in it.
Speaker 2: Hence the ice. Okay, we are off the rails already, and.
Speaker 1: That is exactly how this night is gonna go or
morning if you're listening on Tuesday morning, I totally get it.
Speaker 2: We want to create that vibe.
Speaker 1: Right We're the old retire guys at the We got
a cup of joe it's black. We've got a slice
of bacon, maybe a biscuit, maybe a waffle, maybe some
scrambled eggs. But we bring you every week.
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, I had a little uh informal coaches
meeting this week.
Speaker 2: We're at a place called the Biscuits and Gravy.
Speaker 3: They had probably one of the best biscuits I have
ever had.
Speaker 2: Had a decent cup of coffee as well.
Speaker 3: With that the biscuits in the gravy, even for being
in Michigan one point.
Speaker 1: Okay, look So my thing is I want some type
of starch, a biscuit, a pancake, a waffle, a pastry, something.
Speaker 2: With the coffee I want to make. I want to
buy a pancake, pancake, pancake. Are we doing?
Speaker 1: I have pancakes for dinner today, So I'm ready for
this discussion?
Speaker 2: Or are we are?
Speaker 1: We?
Speaker 2: Are we dipping it in? No, I'm drowning it. It's
actually syrup soup. So here here's what I found out.
Speaker 3: And I find out so I am becoming an air
friers aficion out of Okay, apparently apparently very.
Speaker 2: Apparently, very for it. Go get my you know, noir,
and then we can go talk this piky.
Speaker 1: His pinky is up while he's while he's discussing the
air fryer officionado jargon.
Speaker 2: All right, go for it.
Speaker 3: So apparently you can either use a one of those
tinfoil high pin pie pans for the pancake mix to
make the pancakes in the air fryer, or you use
wax paper and you can layer it.
Speaker 2: Wax paper is the way to go. But so what
So here was.
Speaker 3: My question though, and this was like an Instagram, Instagram
reil or whatever they were stacking it on top of
the batter, and like it came out perfect. I feel
like the batter is like all over, it's all stuck
to the wax paper. So how did you make your
pancakes today? Would you put a little paint?
Speaker 2: No, we just rolled with it. They were just little eggs,
old milk. I did a little vanilla extract.
Speaker 1: Mine had some cinnamon in them, and then I went
with the Pearl Milling Company a k a. The Old
Aunt Jemima's syrup because that's the only way to go.
So there, that's French. French shows is gonna be the key.
Speaker 3: So we're off this week of school, so I know
another little one's gonna want French shows.
Speaker 2: I do eggs, milk, cinnamon, then extract and then a
little bit of flying chickens that batter up a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
And then.
Speaker 1: Craig is the French toast. Craig is the French toast guy.
So now that you're now that you're salivating, let's talk
about what we were salvating over yesterday, and that is
college football. I don't know that I was, like, I
don't know that I was. I don't know if I
was excited. There's a piece of me that was like,
I love it because it's chaotic, and there's a piece
of me that was sad because the SEC kind of
cannibalized itself yesterday. And to be honest with you, all
of our listeners and with you Craig, we haven't discussed
the order that we're going to go in. So I'm
going to kick it to you and you tell me
where do we Where the heck do we even start?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I feel like, what was it two
years ago?
Speaker 3: We had a great math professor who was up on
the whiteboard and he had to have the equation and
basically said, if you beep around, you will find out.
And that's exactly that's exactly what happened now, Like full disclosure, folks.
My last word on sports SEC betting lines for the
week was like, Hey, this is going to be a
bit of a dud. But to be fair, if you
did read the article, I will say I did. I
did preview a little bit. There's potential. Watch Out Florida
plays well at home. Watch Out Jordan Hare is a
haunted house. Cold Nick Stepan, I've played there for seventeen
years and it's haunted at night. Now, whatever the hell
happened to Norman Klin de boor? I hope you're in
a tucks or in a suit and tie when you
play Auburn and.
Speaker 2: The Iron Bowl. But you know, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Hey, you know what
you missed one? You missed one? Did I miss the
Vandy and LSU score? Did Did Vanderbilt just just run
through them? I missed it? I thought that the Commodore's
we were a lock.
Speaker 3: I guess, like like twenty four seventeen, it was, it was, but.
Speaker 1: It's still it was still a wind. It was still
a wind where all this time. Now, granted it, it's
a moot point because back in the husband conversation, crap
craped the bad prior to this game, but you were
just certain this was gonna be the one that knocked
him out in dust, back in the eisman like the
now they're done for.
Speaker 3: Okay, moving on, moving So here's here's the deal. So
as we get started, we go from six teams thinking
that maybe there is five spots. Yeah, you know the
sec is more than like we're going to have three. Yeah,
if saving gets his way, we may get four but
let's kiss it goodbye, Old Miss. You and I have
wax poetic about Old Miss for a long time. We've
talked about going to City Grocery.
Speaker 2: I was pretty adamant on it.
Speaker 1: I was pretty admintalle excess week that Ole Miss was
the best team in the SEC.
Speaker 2: Wait, I can't get ahead of myself. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I was wrong, coming up later, continue, Yes, we talked
about City Grocery, So I think if.
Speaker 3: We're going to start, we have to look at the thing.
And yeah, you know, Rob is usually the guy doing
his homework. He's up at like four o'clock in the
morning tweeting and talking about all the game film he
is watching. I am there for the good looks. I
am there for the comic relief. I did some homework.
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart.
Speaker 1: He has a handwritten sheet Ladies and Gentlemen Hit. It's
got a lot of notes.
Speaker 2: And I can almost read it. Here's the deal. Of
the eight.
Speaker 3: Teams that are currently raked in the AP top twenty
five for the SEC, Texas is the only team. Texas
and Old Miss are the only two teams with winning
records on the road.
Speaker 2: Texas is three, and.
Speaker 3: Though Old Miss is three and two, Georgia is five
hundred two and two. Texas A and M is two
and two. Oh, I'm sorry your game cocks are ulso
three and one.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Oh but what are they?
Speaker 3: Oh they're five into at home, So come on, get
with the program, beamer. But other than that, Tennessee is
one and two on the road, Bama is two and
three on the road. Missouri is two and three on
the road. Now, I don't know if it's the SEC
is mid or if it's the reality that the SEC
is actually really good and it's really hard to win
on the road. That's probably, to be honest, I think
the truth is somewhere in between. But what a disappointment,
Old miss should have taken care of Forlorna. And again,
I know you were waxing poetic about how much you
love Billy and what a great job Billy did last
week and very stop it and you were throwing flowers.
Speaker 2: And it was like the Gators were so good. That's
all I saw this week too, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he and here's the deal, Charlie Weis Junior is
looking at getting the FA you job. Lane was trying
to advocate for him this week they got rid of
Tom Herman. I don't know if Charlie was looking at
houses and.
Speaker 2: What is that book? Yeah, I think it's Boca. But
but here's the deal. You can't go in three in
the red zone. And this is the problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the growth collective. I think eventually the Girl Collector
has spent somewhere between ten and fifteen million dollars. Old
Miss is more than likely gonna end up nine to three.
Good year, fantastic yearth Nope, But the losses to Kentucky
in the last minute and then just losing to Florida,
and I'm sorry, flour still sucks. I'm just gonna say it.
They're not good. We can say, oh my god, they're
going bowling, they're fantastic. When they've played anybody with a pulse.
They haven't, they haven't registered. And I'm including Georgia in
that mix. Georgia was disinterested in playing with their food.
Whatever it may be. I do not believe that billion
apeer is a solution. And this is the biggest fault
where people.
Speaker 2: Are gonna hate on Lane. But I think it goes
back again to that question of college football. In twenty
twenty four, the transfer portal, the balancing of talent nil gap.
The gaps between.
Speaker 3: The haves and the have mats are much tighter, where
if you have a day where you go zero and
three in the red zone, if you.
Speaker 1: Know you have, you let the turnover margin.
Speaker 3: Well, Dart was two touchdowns to interceptions. But here's the
part where Rob was wrong. And no, I'm not talking
about his silly spreadsheet. Old Miss had no rush game
at all against the Florida Gators. Dartle leed Little Miss
for seventy one years. And it's just a disappointment because
it's easy to say Lane sucks and we saw it
in our writers. Yet oh my god, Lane is so overrated.
Speaker 2: But here's the deal.
Speaker 3: Lane's winning nine and ten games in Oxford and he's
now in year five and no one has done that
really in its history. So it sucks, but it also
shows how hard things are. But it's a disappointment because
if they would have won, they were setting themselves up
really well.
Speaker 2: From misisispi state.
Speaker 3: So I don't know where I went with that, but
that's my analysis for our Old Miss rebels.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've opened the door for me to go
on one of these rants that I have started on
my on my notes app to go on during this podcast,
and here it is. I think that we need to
lay off of these coaches and maybe put a little
more of the blame on the players. And here's why
we I think that we back off and we're too
soft on the players because they're kids, and because we
need to cut them a break, and because you know
we don't.
Speaker 2: They're not the ones who are making So who are
you going after?
Speaker 1: Well, if we if we at the end of the day,
the game is won and lost by the Jimmies and Joseph,
not the you have.
Speaker 3: So so tell me which Jimmy and Yo, you're gonna
specifically point to you that was problematic and old Missus
lost a forda. If we're gonna if if we're not
gonna blame Lane, tell me who you're blaming.
Speaker 1: Well, you have a receiver drop a ball of it's
a sure touchdown.
Speaker 2: There's one.
Speaker 1: You have Jackson making some some to quote Lane some.
What was what was the word that he used? It
was it was unusual. I think he's what he said,
out of the ordinary decision maybe And he said and
he said, I told him, we have plenty of time.
You don't have to you don't have to get it
all in one play, and he decided to be aggressive.
That was the quote from the postgame presser about Lane
talking about Jackson Dark. Dart is though, let's be honest,
it is that's the point. And then I'm also going
to go after Juice Wells because he doesn't know what
he's what Routy's supposed to be running or whatever. Twice,
so you have Dart throwing into triple coverage to him
once for the one pick and then the other one.
Wells breaks it off, Dark throws it deep and gets
aggressive and he throws the interception. So there's miscommunication on
the part of the players. There's being too aggressive on
the part of the players. There's a dropped ball on
the part of the players. It's it's execution. And here's
the other thing that I would say, Jackson Dark like
he was running for his life. So maybe I don't
need to go after one individual. I need to go
after the offensive line for o miss. All I'm saying
is other people are gonna say, oh, Lane sucks or
WHOA Billy Napier is the best? No, DJ Lagway is
a great football player and has has infused some confidence
into the rest.
Speaker 2: Of the DA. Good for the Dogs next year, I think.
Speaker 1: He's stating and that's why they're hanging on to Billy.
But here's the deal I was I was talking to
somebody about Florida today, and if we look at the
if we look at the Lord the Gators, they've improved
all over the ball, on the offensive side and on
the defensive side of the ball. And so my thought
process in that is, you get a quarterback out there
that the whole team believes in that he has the
ability to win, then you play with a little extra confidence.
And we all know that confidence goes a long way.
That it's more mental than it is physical out there.
This is the sec All these players have the physical
ability to go out there and perform. It's a matter
of can they execute when they get on the field.
And yes, there's coaching that goes into that. I'm not
absolving these coaches from blame when they lose or or
stealing their shine when they win, but I am saying
that all of our discussions in media circles center around
this coach, that coach, this decision, that decision if.
Speaker 2: The team wins or loses.
Speaker 1: You're telling me that everything that happened in Norman, Oklahoma
was on Kaitlyn de boor.
Speaker 2: I knew no. So let's cool there, let's use that transition.
Speaker 3: So again, Alabama six and own home two and three
on the road right had not shown up, did not
show up at all in Norman.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Jackson Arvel nine of eleven sixty eight yards Milroe zero
t s, three interceptions.
Speaker 2: And this is not a bitter Georgia fan here.
Speaker 3: Folks, like, what the actual hell? I will I will
keep the PG. I don't understand how Alabama's offense at
times can look nearly unstoppable. What there's Shortia the first half,
you know, even the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: You can say the same thing about all the miss
It's so jackling hide their time.
Speaker 2: Think think back to you.
Speaker 1: You don't talk about the flowers you're throwing flowers for
the game against Arkansas, the six touchdowns that Jackson Dart
has and they.
Speaker 2: Go off and.
Speaker 3: Jackson dark. This is what I'm like, I'm like a senior.
I've got I've got their pictures.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, continue, So Milrod with the three interceptions.
Speaker 2: You don't understand it. So but like here's the deal.
We know Oklahoma's defense was serviceable. Yeah for s Jackson
Arnold jack Jackson Arnold's nine to eleven for sixty eight yards.
Hey ran the okay, but like Alabama didn't have three
hundred yards of offense. They had like two hundred and
sixty eight.
Speaker 3: And like it's just frustrating, Like you lose Tennessee, okay,
but you know they again they play kind of average.
Vanderbilt I literally think was more. Yes, Javia played well,
but I'm thinking we're thinking it's it's Banby, Like come on, bro,
like the College Football Committee things your favorite status. And yes,
this is not coaching because guess what, as a coach
for twenty years and now an athletic director, like coaches,
the team will provide and vibes off of their coach.
If a coach takes something seriously, they're in. If a
coach is kind of kind of too goosey or you know,
overlooking a team, the team's gonna feel that way. If
a team is too tight, they're gonna right, they're gonna
go after the coach. And it's just frustrating. Now here's
the benefit. Alabama is also Alabama. Alabama jars eyeballs. Alabama
also has the biggest supporter in Nick Saban. Sorry Kate,
but guess what if there's going to be a three
loss SEC team preview for the SEC Championship. By the way,
it will be the Alabama Crinton Tide. They will be
the fourth team. They're going to go on the road.
Because here's the deal. ESPN is going to look at Alabama,
put them at number eleven.
Speaker 2: Do we want to.
Speaker 3: Put Alabama in stopping Indiana gets Notre Dame? Or do
we want to put them in Columbus, Ohio against the
Ohio State University now of which would probably bring twelve
to fifteen million viewers. Alabama will get the benefit of
the doubt. But that does not accuse Kaling de boor Calen.
I saw a great squeak today. Kalen Debor likely has
the best roster he will ever have this year, and
he squandered it. We talked about it way back in
the spring. You had nine and three. I believe on
your master itself, I said ten and two. It is
absolute garbage that they lost last night. And it is
not Kalin de Boor, sure We can blame Milroe, we
can blame the seventeen year old, but at the end
of the day, it's those.
Speaker 2: Coaches they get the players. Seventeen year old. I'm kind
of fired up. I don't know if you can tell me.
Speaker 1: Here's I'm looking at lines of scrimmage, though, I'm looking
lines of scrimmage, and Obama's defensive line is held in
check by Oklahoma's offensive line. What this is the worst
offensive line in the league. They're terrible. They're terrible. Jackson
Artel ran for one thirty one. He ran for one
thirty one. Craig Jaylen Milroe ran for a whopping are
you ready for it?
Speaker 2: Seven yards? That's the difference.
Speaker 3: My Georgia Minae camp can't have him jail or running
for seven yards yards South Carolina.
Speaker 2: South Carolina bottled him up too. The problem is when there.
Speaker 1: Are certain there are certain defenses that have been able
to get to him for whatever reason and bottle him up.
But I also think that it's mental with him and
he thinks that he needs to throw the ball.
Speaker 2: I think that he needs to.
Speaker 1: Throw he somebody has told him or he thinks, Hey,
if I'm going to be a successful quarterback in this
at this level. If I'm going to be an award
winning quarterback at this level, if I'm going to perform
well in the NFL, I gotta sit back here and
slim it and then pick my spots and run it.
Speaker 2: That's not his strength. No, his strength is when he's.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is absolutely is and when he runs the
ball and when he's in the open fields, he's the
best carrier of the football in the country.
Speaker 3: Okay, So last, last, last chaotic from Saturday, the one
where I was running.
Speaker 2: I did call this one and you thought I was nuts,
I said, I did think you were. Ordon Hair is scary.
What did I also say? We learned from.
Speaker 3: South Carolina a couple of weeks ago. Texas and them
has struggles on the road. They were down. Was it
twenty one nothing? It's twenty one seven.
Speaker 1: Twenty one nothing? And they came all the way back.
You know, I think they ever looked them. We're gonna
make some Texas in the in the in the press
conference in the middle of the week, when asked about
the game.
Speaker 3: Throws flowers or you're flowers at all? Go because that's
your coach of the year. Hang on, go ahead, go.
Speaker 1: Last time, it's not, it's not. At this point, I
think the race is won. And if it's not, Shane Biemer,
then I think we're making mistakes. But here's what here's
what I think with with I think they definitely overlooked Auburn.
But I'm gonna blame you. I'm gonna blame you, Craig,
for for convincing me to go the other direction because
all season I've been riding with Auburn. I've been picking Auburn.
I picked them to go nine to three, and you
were way off the buss because he was throwing his
players under it, and so you hop it off because
you want to be a part.
Speaker 2: Of running over the players.
Speaker 1: And eventually, eventually I was able to see that the
culture is eroding.
Speaker 2: I think Hugh Freeze gets it done at Auburn eventually.
But but what started to make me second guess.
Speaker 1: What started to make me second guess is the way
that he was talking about the players in the press conferences.
And I could see, maybe is he going to lose
the team, And if he loses the team, how much
they held on to him. Shoot, he looked just fine
yesterday and he didn't look why he was coming up
and he didn't know why he was coming off a
three day bender in the postgame press conference like he
has in the past few weeks.
Speaker 2: Either you know why he was fine? Why Hunter?
Speaker 3: What did we talk about? I mean, give him the ball?
You know what else carries one hundred and thirty yards.
Cam Coleman, Finally, I think he had his coming out game.
We've been waiting for Coleman.
Speaker 2: He was there earlier.
Speaker 3: Kid, he's a five yard he's a five star stud.
Seven receptions, two touchdowns, So like, here's the deal. He
gave it to JarKus.
Speaker 2: That was the key. We've talked about that for Auburn
time and again.
Speaker 3: If Auburn is going to win the iron Ball, it's
going to be because jark Was is going to be
able to do that.
Speaker 2: And that's what really did he run the ball?
Speaker 1: Clearly you can run the ball on him on on Obama,
and clearly from the quarterback position, you can watch out
for Peyton Thorn because here he is showing up making
plays late as well when we've expected him to fold.
Speaker 2: When we expend your question because the game like what
is Texas? Then? What are they? Yeah? I don't know. Well,
what they are.
Speaker 1: What they are is into the SEC Championship game. If
they knock off Texas next week in Kyle Field, my
question is how much does this game drain out of them?
Because because now it's it's so, here's the deal, they
still control their own destiny. They can play their right.
Speaker 3: I don't think they give too crafts about this game.
Their focus their locked.
Speaker 1: But four overtimes, four over times in dropping a pass
to lose the game that hits you in the hands
is emotionally draining, whether you care or not, whether you
care or not, I don't know that they're sure enough
to be to attached themselves in the way that maybe
their coaching staff can. We're talking about kids, talk about
Marcel Reid as a freshman, and you're trying to tell
and you're trying to tell him to flush it.
Speaker 2: He's is good.
Speaker 1: You have concerns against Texas next week with him? No,
it's at home, No twelfth man plus, stop it, stop it.
I wish we could clip it. I wish we could
clip this.
Speaker 2: No. I don't like so so like to be honest,
like and it's easy to like.
Speaker 3: It, like rip on Texas, Oh Texas is just like Indiana,
they're just like Penn State because they haven't played like
these teams.
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 3: To me, like the difference with Texas this year and
even like last year. And again I understand, like I'm
Matthew McConaughey's.
Speaker 2: Like like I'm on the same page.
Speaker 3: I know I love Stark, I know I love the Horns.
I'm going in this with the full bias. But what
you see from Texas is a complete defense, a defense
that can sm other teams and can take away things.
A and M is already a little bit shorthanded.
Speaker 2: As it is.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm I'm sure Mark all Reed will get
get his touches, but as a whole, I think the
Longhorns have superior talent. And whether it's going to be
Arch or whether it's going to be Quinn, which we
can talk about in a few minutes.
Speaker 2: I think this is a highly competitive game, This is
a highly emotional game. But where it comes.
Speaker 3: Is the difference is does Texas get the ball first?
Is Sark able to silence that twelfth man? Are we
able to hit a couple of scores early? Are we
able to get a turnover something like that? Like I
believe in this defense. This defense is very opportunistic and
this is this is an advantage for Texas on the
way you do they stop you, but they're also opportunistic
with with with interceptions and things of that nature.
Speaker 2: So like, yes, it is an emotionally charge album environment. Yes,
it is going to be an exciting environment. But at
the end of the day, I feel that Sarka's one
the job to prepare his team for it, so I
feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's tie a bow in last week and
then we're going to use that to transition to next week. Okay,
like you said, we go from six teams in the
college football playoff hunt down to four at most at
this point, is Alabama the only team after the chaos
of last week that has a chance at three losses?
Speaker 2: I do because I think, what did I send to
you earlier? It was.
Speaker 3: Alabama, Old Miss, South Carolina, and South Carolina. They're all
in that same boat. I know we chat about this earlier,
the thing hurting South Carolina kind of taking them out.
They're probably the highest team, most dangerous team right now.
Let's see how they do against thumpson next week. But
they've lost Old Miss in Alabama so they're probably out.
Speaker 2: Here's my question with that, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think that's an extremely solid argument and it should
be made. Is the committee looking at that because we
don't really know what they're looking at and if anything
has come out of Ward Manual's mouth, it's been eye tests.
So if you have one team finished hot and the
other two finish not, and you're just looking at three losses,
how much are they gonna flush an old game? How much?
Speaker 2: And here's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into Quinn's injury in a minute, but
if quarterback injuries count for not putting a team in,
what about one of your losses? Can can we can
we shade one of those losses if you didn't have
your starter for a majority of the game.
Speaker 3: So here's where I think the argument for four goes wrong.
I think Texas, UGA and Tennessee a right. Theoretically, theoretically
we'll get there if my or your dogs sleepwalk against
the that.
Speaker 2: Would never ever happen.
Speaker 3: Anyway, what I think is probably more likely in four teams.
If we get a fourth team, I think it's Alabama. Again,
it's a it's a helmet game. It makes sense that
there's some viewership there, but I think probably was more likely.
And if we do look at your boy word manual,
you know, I think we go back to we're looking
at each.
Speaker 2: Other in the eye. You know, we're you know, we're
coming together, and we have the alliance A the A
C C, which I cannot understand has and more specifically
in Miami has gotten like the benefit of the down
there like constantly in that five to eight like ranking range,
and they played they played absolutely nobody and they lost
of Georgia Tech, which.
Speaker 3: Hopefully Georgia does not do. But like at the end
of the day, Miami has gotten that that that status.
SMU is that first team out. More than likely those
are the teams they're going to meet in the ACC Championship.
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 3: What it comes down to is Alabama the loser of
Miami and SMU, which is gonna be Miami.
Speaker 2: Did you say no?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, I think I think wins.
Speaker 2: Okay, good Brent.
Speaker 3: Lastly, by the way, the stud and the shout out
two shots of the Pony Express, the the bestflective name
who's came out and said Brent last year may go
for another job, but it's never going to because not
getting paid enough money. I wish I had on some
new money right now. They have a lot of money,
they really do they they then they probably got one
of the best collers teams in college football right now
with their Also.
Speaker 2: So I think the.
Speaker 1: Only path that I would argue for South Carolina involves
several several dominoes to fall. I think Syracuse has to
beat Miami this weekend, Whrichard then put Clemson into the
a C Championship game. If South Carolina beats Clemson and
then Clemson goes and beats s m U and gets
into the playoffs, I think that's helpful. Also, there's a
couple of ways I think on the SEC side. If
if Texas wins, you can make the argument that that
that you've had another team knocked out of that three
loss race with Texas A and M, because South Carolina
have the head to head. But I but I would
make the argument that what if Texas A and M
wins and then goes to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: And beats and beats Georgia, So let's go so so
so so. So let me be honest, let's let's be
straight right here.
Speaker 3: I believe that regardless of who wins or loses the
SEC championship game that both those teams are in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we do.
Speaker 3: But here's the deal, even with three losses, I'm just saying, like, somehow.
Speaker 1: I think right, I just think there's going to be
a strong argument if South Carolina is nine and three
and beat the a c C and the SEC champs
that are both in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Texas would be tenant too.
Speaker 3: Texas would be would be in over them.
Speaker 2: Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, strength, and then you're gonna get that strength of
schedule argument.
Speaker 2: That's when Texas you're gonna get.
Speaker 3: That's when Texas the mass committee who was gonna say, oh, well,
Texas has more wins.
Speaker 1: So I oh, that's true. That's true, and that's terrible.
That's that and that's where I think we should. We
should burn it all down and.
Speaker 2: We are in another year.
Speaker 1: What I'm what I'm disappointed about the most as we
move to next week is that because these teams beat
each other, we're not going to get to see Greg
Sanki go scurts Earth because not somebody is not going
to get left out with a solid argument to get in.
Speaker 3: Here's where I can argue with TV and Greg Sankie
both are talking about so too spots for the SEC
and for the Big ten. Yeah, let's be honest, the
playoff is going to go to sixteen teams. I think
we both know that we both understand what I'm asking for.
Don't lock in beyond the first four, Like give me
four conference champions four or five or five, whatever the
hell it's going to be. Make the rest of them
that large. Yep, because the reason why this weekend was
so much fun is you had cast in the Big twelve,
you had some questions going on in the ACC, you
have some stuff going to the Big ten. Boise State
continues to play with fire, like the ripple effects of
the SEC. You're seeing all of these different games matter.
And like one of the things we worried about with
the expanded playoff was that these games are not going
to matter.
Speaker 1: I don't understand anybody's argument that that was ever going
to be the case.
Speaker 3: It is, so I get it, Like, you know, like
what I think is going to happen. What games are
not going to matter is that.
Speaker 2: Are the championship things.
Speaker 3: And but like the regular season games are gonna matter,
m hm, the championship games to a lesser extent I
think are going to matter. I see them reducing, reducing,
reducing the significance. But if we go to sixteen, you
think about that, it multiplies, you know, it becomes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because South Clinton this weekend is is
probably an elimination game.
Speaker 2: South Carolina, you know, like Bandy, the Vandy's tyn to
see game is a big Alabama Alburn is still big,
you know, like they we're having multiple games, and so
I think that's where I think that I think that's.
Speaker 1: At this point. Missouri would sill have an argument if
we're at sixteen.
Speaker 2: Shut up. I wouldn't like that, but they would. I'm
gonna hit mute.
Speaker 1: They would. They would because they're gonna play because it
doesn't matter if we go to sixteen. I'll go back
to what you said a minute ago. The committee still
sucks and they're still going to count wins and losses.
And if we know the losses, here's Missouri, let's count them.
Speaker 2: So here's my question. We got, we got Uncle Tony
on the phone. I think we need to go down
to Texas and we need to sit and be part
of the committee. If only if we can have the
jalapeno shueddar biscuits because we have to have we have
to have biscuits, because that's what we do.
Speaker 3: Of us on the committee. No, would we be on
the same team or we'd be yelling at each other.
Speaker 2: We be yelling at each other.
Speaker 1: But I'll bring uh, I'll bring along Jake Crane and
Josh Pate as well, and we'll just it.
Speaker 2: I do think that it needs. I do think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I do think that it needs. And forty
unbiased not forty unbiased media media minds who watch all
the games. Yep, and Tony, and Tony said this, you know,
like anybody with a vested interest is not watching these games.
Ward Manuel is at Michigan.
Speaker 2: He's not watching these games. He was on the field
with Tim Brand talking about Michigan for a minute.
Speaker 3: I know, Okay, so I don't I don't care. I
do think they might Oisle State. So let's let's just
talk about the elephant. Bryce Underwood is a quarterback from Michigan,
lives about an hour from me. Yeah, it's been committed
to l s U for like a year.
Speaker 2: Yep. Pinter Stallions, Yes, mysteriously so. Counter Stallions, who has
been on three high school staff.
Speaker 3: Now within the last calendar year, wasn't hired for one
coach nine games at a school in Detroit, Right, no, no, no,
he was he so sold the head coach had a
heart attacks, so he became the interim head coach.
Speaker 1: Oh got it?
Speaker 3: And then when his season ended, Matter magically becomes the
offensive coordinator for Bryce Woodstein.
Speaker 2: How does that even happen?
Speaker 1: How do you pick up a coach for the for
your playoff run and make it the oc Oh?
Speaker 2: Never mind met Not only not.
Speaker 3: Only do you pick up a coach for the playoff run,
but you pick up a sitting interim head coach from
another program in the state. And then more importantly, this
clown takes a picture sure with Bryce and you have
them before the game yesterday at Northwestern. Yeah, my question
is word Manual, At what point do you understand that
this guy is going to get you suspended or like like.
Speaker 2: Like, here's the deal. Your own Moore is in a
challenging situation this year.
Speaker 3: Michigan was so focused on winning a national championship last year,
and then Hardball left because he knew ship was coming
down that he left, and he took everybody else who
probably knew something with him to the NFL one way
or the other.
Speaker 2: Bless you by the way, up?
Speaker 1: Thanks?
Speaker 2: Why are you letting this guy be around?
Speaker 1: Like? I get that his violation after violation after violation,
just waiting to get called out the only reason that
you're But like Nancy dead A has no teeth. So
if your word manually, you're letting him hang around because
he just got your number one quarterback in the nation.
It's just is there not a proven benefit to having
Stallions around? At this point, the manifesto continues to cook.
Speaker 2: I guess, but it's just like bad luck, bad luck
from Brian Kelly by the way, and the l s
U boosters. How do you not I'll spend in Michigan.
Speaker 1: I heard it was twelve point five, which I think
is a ridiculous over exaggeration.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know if it's over that much.
Speaker 3: And and something with the house settlement where like you
have to be locked in yeah before but.
Speaker 1: Like it might be twelve, it might be twelve five
spread over it is over five years. Yeah, like he's
gonna stay that long.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, how is this
person still associated with program? Oh he's not associated, he's
a high school coach.
Speaker 1: He's definitely, he's definitely ship. There's no way, there's no
way to avoid at this point.
Speaker 3: So so I apologize to our SEC fans, but you
know what else, you knows how that works.
Speaker 2: But like at the end of the day, it's just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's frustrating me, Like I don't understand
why you would do this at all. But okay, sorry
to totally totally off the rails here.
Speaker 1: By the way, Well, recruiting is coming and those discussions
are going to be had sooner rather than later because
national recruiting is coming, and we're gonna look at that
because National recruiting class is next week. Don't market please, Rob,
who's got Who's got that? Don't don't market me please?
All right, National Georgia, Georgia. We're gonna we'll see. We'll
talk about that after after it sticks. Because a week
from Wednesday is National Signing Day. It has been moved
up to December fourth.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: So so we did we will have something to talk
about in between rivalry Rivalry week and Championship Week. The
last thing I'll say is we transition to look ahead
to this week and see what is what is held
in these.
Speaker 2: Rivalry games is.
Speaker 1: SEC rosters can always strike even if the team collectively
has been bad. And that's what I learned this week.
From Florida to Auburn, even even Oklahoma, the talent on
the rosters in the SEC is enough across the board
almost sorry Missippi State, to bite you.
Speaker 2: And any given week, you know, at some point I
don't think so I do not.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've got to cut. I'll go to cut dot
com right now and we'll bet.
Speaker 3: All right, put it, put it up Cut, I'll do
it at uh give us a worach week. By the way,
everybody go to cut down for all your betting.
Speaker 1: The deal with cut dot com is that you bet
with your friends, but you put the money up beforehand,
so as soon as the bet clears, it just goes
into their account. You don't have to track your friends down.
You don't have to say, hey, I haven't talked to Casey.
I'm waiting until about four o'clock.
Speaker 3: That wait, he's doing like on sweet Tea because he's
getting like he's getting.
Speaker 2: Cut for the summer or something like that. It's his
winter arc, this winter arc. Hey, yeah, so yeah, that's
what it is so.
Speaker 1: The rosters can get you no matter what, if they
put it together. That's what happened at Florida. That's what happened.
I guess with Oklahoma. You still have a five star
quarterback in Jackson Arnold. I mean he was bound to
put it together.
Speaker 2: At some point press eighty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he ran for one thirty one and you
know what, Milrod did it?
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: No, if this was the other way around, we would
be applauding Jayalen Milrod for running all over them if
he ran for one thirty one, and we would.
Speaker 2: Say, didn't really throw the ball that well.
Speaker 1: He hit one ball of you know, Ryan Williams for
thirty five yards, but his total wasn't great and they
barely had any passing attempts. But he did run for
one thirty one and they beat him by twenty one.
Speaker 2: Points, So who cares? All right, that's what we would say.
Speaker 3: It was the other way around, all right, all right,
let's do let's do a quick hitter, righty, let's go
through the slate.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, and you you tell me who you got?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you putting us back on the rails
right now?
Speaker 2: No, how the turned tables so here, here's where I'm angry.
Speaker 3: And because I didn't know where you're going with all
that route conversation, you were over here for once and
I was like, I'm all back, buddy, all right, So
so real quick, first and foremost.
Speaker 2: Shame on you, ABC.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So Thursday night is Thanksgiving dinner, and when you've
had too much turkey, too much stuffing, no dressing, it
goes definitely dressing.
Speaker 2: It's definitely dressing.
Speaker 3: Oh, we've got last word already, so we'll go. We'll
get going on that one. But anyway, you were.
Speaker 2: Supposed to have egg bowl on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh deviled eggs and egg.
Speaker 2: Bowl, deviled eggs.
Speaker 3: You throw those right in the garbage Friday at three thirty.
My mouth is the garbage.
Speaker 1: Then, yes, it's gonna catch four or five devil daggs
on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Shann I tell you still listening, thanks Casey, Uh.
Speaker 2: Hail state, old miss rabs getting twenty seven.
Speaker 1: He got I've got MISSIPI state to cover, but ole
miss by seventeen. What's you looking at?
Speaker 2: Which you think, Wait, you've got old miss to cover now?
Speaker 1: I said, hail state to cover?
Speaker 2: Alright, Well, I didn't hear you correctly. Yeah, I don't
think it's twenty seven. No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Well, it can be easily, but we've just seen I've
seen too much.
Speaker 2: I'm too scared.
Speaker 1: Dounia hug After this week, after last week, I'm definitely
too scared.
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech at Georgia, Georgia getting twenty I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna roll with it. Actually good dogs, I think Georgia covers.
I'm gonna give him twenty one.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about Hanks King running running. The King's good.
Speaker 1: Hanks King's actually good.
Speaker 3: I think this is like a forty to twenty eight games.
Speaker 2: Something stupid.
Speaker 3: By the way, I do I do believe Georgia Texas
offensive coordinator Buster. I can't remember his name, whatever his
offensive coordinator is. Uh, he's probably got the Tennis State
Tennessaw State.
Speaker 2: Job for j Stafford. If Kirby doesn't make change, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Uh. Saturday afternoon, we've got Tennessee at Vanderbilt. Valves are
giving ten points.
Speaker 1: This one is one of the hardest ones of the
day for me.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I know the balls don't feel good about it. I'm
just gonna say that, having been with a group of
one hundred plus people from the state of Tennessee all
weekend last weekend, the majority of whom were awesome, big
ball fans. They were down bad after that Georgia loss.
But one of those what the thing that they said
over and over was and I heard it again even
back here from the people that I that no ball
and are considered themselves balls. They're worried about Vanderbilt, but
I think it's PTSD because they've lost the Vanderbilt in
these type of situations too many times. So just give
me the balls, let's roll on through.
Speaker 2: Give me this is the path for Bama to come
back in because Vandy wins.
Speaker 1: All right, he's still riding with the doors some chickens.
Speaker 2: They're playing the Tigers on Saturday. Clemson is getting two and.
Speaker 1: A half, the most meaningful game in the rivalry since
twenty twenty thirteen, so over ten year years since you've
had the teams be this what be uh this good?
And I'm just gonna state for the first time that
I've been able to say this in a decade. These
rosters are are evenly talented, and there's not a significant
talent Gapanese direction, and so I do think that this.
Speaker 2: In South Carolina.
Speaker 3: Like the rest of the SEC, he isn't afraid of
playing the word. They're just not they're just bad fames
that William Bryce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. It doesn't as it hath kind of guy.
It doesn't scare me in this game? Is that Cleinson?
So you know I picked this. I'm gonna stick to
the spreadsheet.
Speaker 3: Go Cox, all right, himbowl the Tider getting eleve in
the half? Do you think a half? I don't know, dude, Like.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I do think eleven and a half. It's in.
Speaker 2: They make one more statement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in Tuscal.
Speaker 2: I think they're ready to roll. You just said it.
They're totally different.
Speaker 1: They're totally different at home. They're totally different at home,
and they still think they have something to play for
it because maybe they do.
Speaker 4: There I got a play for they might you just
we just talked about the past and if they they
think they can get there, they're gonna go get it.
Speaker 2: Alburn is one, Auburn is one and two, Auburn is
four and four. Is Jordan here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not home, no home field? Dannis? All right, you.
Speaker 1: Skipped Louisville and Kentucky. Uh Kentucky trying to get make
their way, make their way to five wins.
Speaker 2: Moving on Texas is at Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: We call somebody and ask them if they're going to
fire marks.
Speaker 2: Stoops or what Kevin said. They're okay, yeah, that's but
that's not let him keep cushing every year.
Speaker 3: So who's gonna play Georgia. So Georgia has been in
the sech Championship. Can I give Graham coffee? I'm usually
pretty rough, ond Graham coffee a shout out. Graham Coffee
does a good job. He's a good good dogs insider.
So the SEC Championship came into existence in nineteen ninety two.
Georgia did not appear in the game for the first
time until two thousand and two. Last night, Georgia Clint's
their twelfth SEC Championship appearance. Georgia has appeared in twelve
of the last twenty three SEC Championships and seven of
the last eight. Georgia is tied for third.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry. Georgia is third.
Speaker 3: On the list with total SEC Championship appearances with twelve,
just behind Alabama with fifteen and Florida thirteen.
Speaker 2: By the way, South Carolina has won so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for thank you for pointing that out
and shout out Tom.
Speaker 3: Okay, so who is going to tie? So, so here's
my question. The winner of Texas, Texas, A and M
gets to High South Carolina for most SEC Championship appearances.
The Longhorns are getting five and a half when yours
is getting an MRI and the ankle.
Speaker 2: Who is your pick?
Speaker 3: Rob?
Speaker 1: Okay, before we pick this, if Quinn's out, If Quinn
is out.
Speaker 2: It's Texas out.
Speaker 1: No, but Jordan Travis was out, Craig and Florida State
was out and they were undefeated. They got a March,
you got a week schedule. Okay, So let's say that
MRI is bad, Arch plays and A and.
Speaker 2: M wins, it's Texas out.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem with your flawed argument is that
Arch is going to lead Texas to the wind because
number I have said Arch provider.
Speaker 2: If I said if if my grandmother, seriously, though, I
think they're out.
Speaker 1: I think if they lose, they're out. Anyway, they're not losing.
That's my that's my that's my take. Okay, I'm really
torn on this. You asked me my pick. I'm really
torn on this because I because again I picked the
Georgia Texas matchup in the spring, and so a part
of me just really wants to be right from April.
Speaker 2: Part of me just wants to lean on the Excel sheet.
Speaker 1: Oh but there's a piece of me that's like, man,
this is in Kyle Field in Texas, A and M
is ready to smack them and tell them not yet, brother,
not in my conference. It's tough, it's tough, but I
gotta go with Texas.
Speaker 2: Hook them how much? How fitting?
Speaker 3: Be honest, like, how fitting is this big brother, little brother.
Speaker 2: Texas wins. It's kind of like Texas, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Archer, Archer, Quinn pick your poison. Let's make
sure Archer is ready for the SEC championship game because
the statue that is when yours will get tumbled down
if they played the Dogs.
Speaker 1: We'll have that discussion next week if needed, because I
have some thoughts about where that one might go as well,
if if it's Quinn and if it's Texas, I have
some thoughts, Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there,
because we still got to get Bebo across it, uh
in order to get to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: So do you think we're gonna make up.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I did not I So we're on
the same page. Just to recap, we're on the same
page here with Hook Them Roll Tide. Did you did
you pick the South Carolina again, I'm going power aid Okay,
So we differ there and we differ on the Tennessee bandy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the other two that we talked about Old Miss
in Georgia, I feel like it's nothing Burger other than
are they going to cover or not.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say nothing Burger because when I say
there's nothing burger, it's something burger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you really did it. Hey, uh, we didn't
label it. But I think we talked about plenty of
places where we.
Speaker 2: Were wrong this week. My Big Guy was wrong, Big
I was wrong.
Speaker 1: My Big I was wrong. Moment was Old Miss calling
Ole Miss the best team in the SEC, just assuming
them rolling over Florida. I was also wrong about Jordan here.
Speaker 2: You know, I had to.
Speaker 3: I was talking to our buddy A this morning in Tokyo,
I just seeing how he was.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 3: He was not great, by the way. Yeah, he's making
a backstake side next year. So he said he's in
for Old mischat.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: I love it all right, ladies and gentlemen, we've talked
it all around last week.
Speaker 2: This week's time for the last word.
Speaker 1: Here on. It just means more football and coffee. Craig,
give me your your number one Thanksgiving side? And why
is it dressing?
Speaker 2: I put the dressing in the garbage?
Speaker 1: Who puts it in the bird?
Speaker 2: That's gross? You're gross, do you know, like because you
get the juices in there and it's.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: What the hell do you put the bird? What do
you put in the bird when you cook it? Nothing,
it's gonna.
Speaker 3: We're gonna hell when you try to cut that on.
Speaker 1: We're going to deep fry it.
Speaker 2: Oh, so you're gonna set your house on fire.
Speaker 1: No, it's outside, all right, I'll send you no, I'll
send you a video. We're gonna fry it, and then
we're gonna carve it, and then we're gonna put some
on the side of the plate with some dressing, sweet
tetsou fla, some green bean cast roll, some devils.
Speaker 2: I do polyadines, green bean castro. Who use using French onions?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not using French's onions. I'm absolutely not. We're
going homemade on everything. We're not using French as onions.
Speaker 2: Beans.
Speaker 3: You you do, you boil the I boil the beans
in like chicken sock corem washingm soup.
Speaker 1: We're going serious with this. Huh, sweep on your sweet potatotool?
You doing pecans or no?
Speaker 2: I don't do sweep it says, oh my.
Speaker 1: Okay, last one, mac and cheese? Are you doing in
the crock pot? Are you doing in a pan in
the oven?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: So shout out to our boy Andy Staples. He posted
there's a great place here in uh Tarkston, former coaching
spot for me called the Union Woodshop, and they have
a phenomenal mac and cheese.
Speaker 2: I am baking that thing.
Speaker 3: It's got layers of p coning cheese with cheddar cheese
in there. You got to make your best of mellget already.
You're baking that for about an hour. It is not
a saucy mac and cheese. It's more of a dry
mac and cheese. Looks kind of like that brick. It
is so good.
Speaker 2: My mouth is starting the water right now. I mean,
you need to go get some what about you.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going in the pan with the mac and cheese.
We would call it macaroni pie here in the South.
I want the top.
Speaker 2: I think I think we're on board there.
Speaker 1: I want the top a little bit burnt. I want
some brown, maybe some maybe even some black corners on
the edge of the pan.
Speaker 2: I want a little bit of crust and crisp.
Speaker 1: On the top.
Speaker 2: So that's where I'm at. What are you guys doing
with the pie there? I'm good with.
Speaker 1: Pumpkin or sweet potato, but I think or pecan, honestly,
but I think what will end up happening and.
Speaker 3: Pumpkin in the garbage and you just get a big
old slice of pecan pie.
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, there's gonna be chocolate pie for sure.
That's what that's gonna be with h pecan. No, just
straight chocolate with the with the whipped cream, dop of
whipped cream on top. But what I love, my favorite
family gathering dessert for any holiday has been out of pudding,
and so that's probably what.
Speaker 2: I'll go with the con pie all day long. Gotta
be it's gotta be homemade.
Speaker 1: It's gotta gotta have the middle way for lots of
nil away for you can't do it no meringue, No meringue,
you don't like banana pudding. We gotta get out of here.
This is it just means more football and coffee. I'm
Rod Williams. He's craignant, Michael. Catch us every Tuesday right
here on college gridiron.
Speaker 2: Coast to coast. The SEC is crazy and it's still
the best league in the country.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week to recap all the rivalry
gains and look forward to championship weekend and the one
step closer to the college football Playoff.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, gobbl