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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellawsikos. I am Dana Valley coming at

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you with more. Yensen of the NBA podcast, fame of

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Yahoo Sports, fame of Forbes fame, and of Only Fans celebrity.

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I think he ranks number ten in total subscribers on

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his Only Fans right now, So get over there and

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help him. He'll continue to climb those charts. We are

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here to do a mega mail bag that will be

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focused on teams that we think should blow it up.

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Will be like sort of the overarching theme here, but

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we have a bunch of questions we will get to

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as many as possible. Thank you to all of our

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our subscribers for their submissions. The best way to do

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that go join our discord and that's where we put

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out solicitations. I also do throw them out on Blue Sky,

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so if you're on there at MSJA NBA as well

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as at Dan Favalley, it's up on the screen if

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you're watching too. More before we belly flop into this

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mega mail bag, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well. I always in joybacks. I've begun

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doing them a ton on my Danish pod. Initially I

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was very skeptical of it. Because I would like ask

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people to come in with questions, hot takes, you know,

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just general opinions, whatever, and in the early going you

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would have only like four or five people checking in,

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and like you would have to stretch the answers a

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little bit, so like make it a full podcast. Now

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group where people could just ask questions. I thought I'd

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get like twenty people in that group who would just

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ask questions or whatever. That group is like six hundred

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people now and it's taken on a life of its own.

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And when I'm asking for questions, I get like forty

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fifty at time, So I just have to like pick

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and choose. So mailbacks have become my thing. Love them

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so love this format. It's it's such a nice medium

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to me because you really get to feel like you're

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Speaker 1: I love doing the audience engagement. Mail bags are some

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of our favorite podcasts. If I thought we would get

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the volume of questions, I'd probably do them weekly and

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it just it comes and goes. I think where this

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one was, we had about a moderate number of answers,

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like we won't get to all of them, and there

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were some people that sent in multiple so it's like

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some people only get there might be two, some person

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might get the same two in there, except we do

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have a bit for you specifically that there's three questions

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from the same person in there, so that'll be fun.

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But I love mail bags. We did the rule change

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podcast Grant and I last week where people submitted their

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rule changes that we got an overwhelming number of responses.

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We couldn't get to it, so shout out to everyone

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who continues to engage. I do love despite I think

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that in media we're just podcasting sometimes there's like a

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disdain for the audience. We do not actually have it.

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I enjoy engaging with everyone for the most part about

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what they're thinking. So if you're ready, are we ready

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to belly flop right into this exercise?

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Speaker 2: I am. Look, I have the belly for it, so

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absolutely it's you I'm worried about because if you fall

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first and I fall on top of you with this

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belly flop, you're dead.

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Speaker 1: No one's actually gonna know if that's true because you're

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wearing a shirt, so we can't. We have to call

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bullshit on that. Belly claim by you. So that's all

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I gotta say. All right, we begin with this question

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from Nutter? What are your top three blow it up

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teams this offseason? We're approaching this as we're running this team,

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and it doesn't matter what they're gonna do in real life,

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but we would blow them up if we're running it.

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We also added a curveball towards the end of it.

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Did we actually select our teams? Knowing this? Who's to say, really?

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But we cannot pick the same team twice. So I'll

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go first, and then mort will go through a team.

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a team, and so on till we each have three.

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So are you itching to know who my first team is?

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Speaker 2: Moret I'm itching in all the right places.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have the Suns. This one is part of

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that question, by the way, is should the Suns and

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MAVs be included? The Sun should be included. I feel

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the team that needs to blow it up the most,

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just because of the Kevin Durant trade chatter that's there.

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And we have a little bit more on the Suns later.

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does blowing it up actually look like? Because there are

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two players that they could get a ton of value for,

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that's Devin Booker and Kevin Durant, only one of whom

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would I actually predict that they move like under their

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a trade for him to actually be traded, and I

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don't necessarily expect him to ask for one. Maybe if

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you trade for trade KD and he doesn't like the return,

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likely to waive it for anybody if you get rid

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of both Booker and Durant, Grace and Allen could probably

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get you something. Royce O'Neil is useful. So it's just

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what are you doing when you don't control your draft

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at all? Through twenty thirty one? If you can't get

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any of your own picks back from Houston? Are you

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still burn it down? And I don't know that the

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organization would if you can get your own picks back

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from Houston you absolutely should though Yep.

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Speaker 2: Look, I like the stories of guys sticking with one

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organization throughout the course of the careers. Like I would

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love to see Devin Booker retire a Sun and stay there,

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that's not the way the world works anymore. He's been there,

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he took them to the finals. They didn't get over

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the hump. You know, it's I'm not saying it's time

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just because it's time, but for this team to actually

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make a valiant effort in somehow get into another era

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or pivot into something else. Yeah, you probably need to

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is there a way you can trade Durand for someone

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who comes in and just aligns everything and where you

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basically say, let's keep this trend going. If so, I

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just don't know who that player is or who that

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group of players are. I don't know, so maybe we

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should spit ball that, Like maybe there's a guy out

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there that makes sense like one I haven't. I haven't

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done like a trade checker on this, so I'm not

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sure if it works, But like, would you be interested

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in like a deal that's censored around KD for ad.

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Speaker 1: For example, if I'm the Suns, I mean, if you're

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keeping Devin Booker, why not, Yeah, you're getting younger, technically

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you're getting less durability probably overall. But yeah, I mean,

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just be curious, like how many picks that aren't your

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own or what type of return would it take for

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picks and or actually, let's wrap up your framing of

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it that we know the Timberwolves are going to be interested.

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math would have to be, but does Jade McDaniels and

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Rudy Gobaer do it for you?

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Speaker 2: If you're Phoenix, that was the one I pitched I

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Speaker 1: If you pitched it, let's let's just move on now.

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Speaker 2: I will say that wasn't like the final framework. I

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think you would probably need to align value also by

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adding some sort of sweetener or whatever like, but that

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would be the raw package. Right. It's interesting because you

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Speaker 1: You know, for just because the offense comes and goes, that's.

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sticking point. That was the thing where that wasn't there

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all the time. So I really struggled looking at him

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good contract. Now that the con the offense is coming along,

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if if the sun stand up with like a top

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four of book beal go bear McDaniels. I mean, that's

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not it, Greaches. There's like a pathway to success. But

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what level of success, Like is this a team that's

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gonna beat the Thunder? Is this a team that's gonna

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beat the Nuggets? I don't know. That. The answer to that,

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into that equation next year too, I guess. So it

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really boils down to what do you think the top

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potential is in a Kevin Durant return? That's realistic. Like

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that's why I love the ad I thing because at

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least you can see the intraplay between book and ad.

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But let's just be real about this. The biggest issue

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is that you have like fifty million dollars the books

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for Bradley Beal, who's just not a fifty million dollar

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player anymore. You're not getting full bang for the buck.

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The positional overlap between him and book is real, Like

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the trade, Like, oh, it's fine, interchangeable. Not really, no,

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not at all actually, So I mean, he's the guy

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who needs to move, but that's just not in the

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the margin. I don't know the answer to that. So

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terms of like blowing it up, that is definitely one option.

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Speaker 1: Over under on the number from let's say Katie Devin

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Booker Royce, ONEO and Grayson Now, and I'll set the

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over under at one and a half of those players

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being traded this summer. You're taking the over the under over.

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It should be the over because they should blow it up.

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It's time has just start a new who's your team

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Speaker 2: I mean it's right there on the screen, the Philadelphia

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seventy six ers. Not sure how you go about doing that, though,

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like salary relief, but like, let's try. I just don't

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see a clean pathway for this team to actually get

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him and Paul George off the roster. But if that

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option is out there, I wouldn't hate doing it because

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you have Tyrese Maxey, who look, I'm gonna say something,

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the NBA are going to disagree as well. I think

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because of the continuous leaps we see from Tyrese Maxey,

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we can't rule it out that he will find himself

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in the MVP conversation within the next couple of years,

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assuming of course the team is better. But like, he's

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that level of talent in my opinion, so it would

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be just such a shame to see that his prime

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years get wasted.

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Speaker 1: If you sign years he's going in the year, what

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are they going to be? A year of six? Yeah,

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that's close to his prime fair enough? Fair enough?

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Speaker 2: Come on, he's like twenty four to twenty five.

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Speaker 1: That's I know, he's on his new deal. I'm just

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like what I'm trying to back. It feels like he

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kind of just anecdotally just entered the NBA.

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Speaker 2: But you know what that is, that's the Covid effect

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because I felt the same way. Remember when during the

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Covid years, it felt like the NBA had three seasons

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on top of each other.

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just like it was ridiculous. So and Tyreee was just

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one of those players stuck in that. But like, hey,

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to me, is you just gotta hang on to him

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and try to build something around him. Quentin Grimes is

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blowing up. I know, it's March basketball, but he's I'm

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if you're hitting like this number of unassisted baskets for

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like this long, like there's okay, there's something there that

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we can only say that.

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Speaker 2: And Jared McCain, I mean, look, I know he got

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injured after what twenty eight games something all of those lines,

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but he was awesome, Like there's a score in there.

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The thing to me is, what can you even get

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for EmpId and Paul George? Like would you be willing

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like if two teams came up and said, look, we'll

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take them off your hands, like for free, be that

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traded into you know, well, no team really has cap space,

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but like an expiring expirings or whatever, like, would you

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be willing to salary dump those guys?

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Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't. I'm still maybe I'm just like too

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married to the idea of these three or still think

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that it's sort of a situation similar to Zion, where

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it's like you just hold on to Embiid until you

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get that one season where he's healthy enough you get

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lightning in a bottle, Right, But my follow up question,

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or I guess proposal would be, how does this even

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your impression of them blowing it up? Change? Does it

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make if they keep their pick, which is top six

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protected or do they even need to get into the

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like even looking at this from there the real life

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organizational perspective, how hog does their pick so they need

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to retain it? He's being the top six obviously, how

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high does their pick need to be the Is that

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high enough if it's number six, or just need to

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be top three top four to them for them to

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actually just need to be Cooper Flag or Ace Bailey

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for them to even consider going that route.

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Speaker 2: So I do think it needs to be top three

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because that's just my read on this, and draft experts

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can disagree and they probably be right. But I see

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it pretty clearly as Flag, Harper, Bailey as the top three,

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and then there's a slight drop off from there, but

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there is a drop off. Nonetheless, I think if you

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end up with in the top three and you can

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get one of those guys in particular Flag and Harper,

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who I think are, it's almost like I want to say,

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there's actually a drop off head of the first two.

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But Bailey is sort of a little bit of his

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zones here. If you get one of those guys, yeah,

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I think you're like way more inclined to say, okay,

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new start. That's like this, this is the resetting of

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the clock.

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Speaker 1: The thing that's weird there though, is so I mean,

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it depends on where you are. So if it's Cooper

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Flag or if it's Ace Bailey positionally kind of whatever.

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But if you wind up with Dylan Harper and then

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you have Jared McCain and Tyrese Maxie and Quenton Crimes,

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that's a really small like nucleoso off which to work.

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Now you're early on in the process. I'm also wondering though, like,

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so they still owe a pick to Brooklyn, right, so

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I think it's broke. It is Brooklyn, like like that's

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going to impact their view of whether they would blow

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it up or not, which is maybe why I'm not

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yet twenty twenty seven is going to Brooklyn, right, And

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then like also there's that OKAC obligation too, like if

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you like, doesn't that make it tougher? So if you

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keep your pick this year, that pick just rolls over

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to twenty twenty six and twenty seven as top four protected.

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Are you just sort of the mind that like, and

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in my head, I'm sort of just like, well, you

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might as well be as good as good as you

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can be until all your pick obligations have expired. Are

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you just sort of thinking this is a rip the

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band aid off situation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Within beat them Pole George, Absolutely, because I do

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think that Max see, outside of a few nicks and

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next year, I think he's been primarily healthy, right, Like,

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He's not someone I'm worried about health wise whatsoever. H McCain. Yeah,

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this was bad, but like there isn't an injury pattern

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before this year at all. So again, not really concerned

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about that, not concerned about crimes. So I think there

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is a competitive trio in there if you somehow rich yourself.

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It sounds so harsh, rich yourself of Joel and Beat

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and Paul George, but you know what I mean, Like,

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if you move those off from expiring contracts and just

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go through that one year where everything is gonna suck

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it a little bit because you have so much debt

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weight on your books, all right, next year you come

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into another year with cap space where you can sort

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of say, Okay, what can we achieve with that, can

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we get some players in, Can we sign someone? Can

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we build the right role play like, can we build

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the right team through role players? Next to Tyrese Maxi,

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next to McCain, next to Grimes, next to potentially Cooper

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Flag or Ace Bailey. I'm just I'm just saying I'm

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not I don't want to close this door. Maybe it's

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not really a blow it up. Maybe it's just retooling

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process instead. I just consider blowing it up when you're

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trading Joel Embid and Paul George.

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Speaker 1: I think if you have those sort of two picks

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out going still after this, so we're operating under the

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assumption they keep their pick. If you have those sort

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of two outgoing picks, it almost has to be a

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retool And I think if you can get actual value

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from Beider George, you are at the point where I

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would believe that you should on George for sure. On

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a bead, It's still I would need to see the

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package it would be. Let's just say the Sixers land

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in the top three, the Nets land in the top

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three this year, or maybe the Nets don't even need

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a land in the top three. But if you're Brooklyn,

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would you consider taking Embiid or Paul George and that

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Clippers pick in twenty twenty eight and then giving back

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the Sixers is twenty twenty seven first rounder, if that like,

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because that might make rebuilding even if the Sixers don't

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keep their pick this year, if you want all your

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picks back. So now, let's say that one to Okase

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even conveys that wonder. Brooklyn's the only one you have

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to worry about is their value and trying to use

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that Clippers pick to get off one of these contracts

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and get your own picks back. And from Brooklyn's perspective,

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I don't know whether I would do this. So anyone

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who's already getting mad, I want to make that clear.

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You know, you don't control all your draft picks moving

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forward like you have this year, next year and then

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Houston's gonna control it at least as of now. So

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and you're Brooklyn, like, do you maybe consider that? Like?

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I like that might be if you're Philly, I think

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if you can get one of your first round picks back,

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and it makes going the blow up route more palatable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, normally I'm against compounding mistakes by you know,

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I thought I thought the Paul George contract was a mistake.

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I made that position pretty clear on a previous episode

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between you and I. So if you're have to if

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you have to attach anything to that deal to get

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off of it, that's that's that's a tough self. But

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I hear you though.

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Speaker 1: It's but it's weird how teams, because like the way

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that the Nets treated their own picks in that trade

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with Houston, It's like you're still getting your own pickback.

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There's just ar when you have to spin that and

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that's the justification to get back something you already technically had.

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It's it's kind of a bummer, but it would free

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you up to tank unencumbered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah see, And that's the thing also, right, is it

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would it be a tank when you have Tyrese Maxi

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in his prime? Like can you really bottom out with him?

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Speaker 1: Another good point.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know the answer to that either.

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I mean, I just feel as though this current iteration

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of the Sixers, it's it's too risky to continue. Like

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I don't trust the health of Paul George. He was

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also pretty abysmal this year. He's only going to get older.

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His injury history was already ridiculous before he signed. We

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know that em Beds. Look this. I hate the fact

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that we're gonna have to talk about it be down

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the line as a what if type of situation, But

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we have to face facts. That's what we are. That's

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what we are with him, Like how many times has

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he been healthy for the playoffs? Once? Once?

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Speaker 1: Is that was he? Even? Has he ever even been

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healthy for the playoffs? It felt like sometimes he's played well,

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but he's always been dealing with and everyone's dealing with

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something with him, it just feels more notable.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. So I this is just time I don't

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want to waste, like the Maxi era, And what I

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would be fearful of is the Sixers basically saying, Okay,

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we'll just stick with this script you run Tyreeese like

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until he's like twenty seven, twenty eight, kind of wasting

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some of the best years of him, just kind of

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waiting out the end of the contracts, of him beating

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Paul George. I just think that would be such an

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egregious mistake. So that's why I'm basically saying blow it

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up for the Sixers. And when I say blow it up,

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I do mean.

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Speaker 1: Him for my second team. I'm gonna pick the Dallas Mavericks,

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another cliche pick, but the Dallas Mavericks don't seem like

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they have an intention of blowing it up. Patrick Deamont

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is still out there trying to spin the Luka Doncics

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trade while undermining his own point. It's honestly, I'm not

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gonna lie. It's impressive at this point like this, this

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front office and ownership regime, when it comes to undermining

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your own point, they are generational kudos to them. I

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just if you were gonna trade Luka Doncic, that constitutes

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blowing it up, and you just went the wrong direction

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with it. Forget about whether they should have traded Luca.

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They shouldn't have, but they were going to The return

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you should have been focused on is one that was

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more draft pick and prospect oriented, and that's more along

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the lines of more stuff like the Lakers' first round

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pick and more players like Max Christy not in over thirty,

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Anthony Davis who is not especially durable himself, and I

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kind of just the way you sort of hate like

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we're gonna talk about and beat as of what if

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I'm probably not gonna enjoy the discourse around Anthony Davis

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for as long as he's in Dallas, it's gonna suck.

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Like but at this point, now the Kyrie acl injury,

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you gotta look at like just dealing every I guess

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not dealing everybody, because Kyrie could be a free agent.

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But what I'm really talking about when I say is

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it starts with Anthony Davis, as you might as well

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move him. See you could get for him. See we

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could get for PJ. Washington and anyone who's really not

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this year's first round pick, and Derek Lively, like everybody

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else should just be available. That's the direction you should

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be headed down. Without Lugadancic. They're not gonna do it.

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I think it, like let's even say that they were

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open to it, or like if they were open to it,

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that they already would have gone that direction. I feel like, now,

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isn't this an organization that you would bet is more

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likely to throw good money after bad to continue trying

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to justify the Lucadants trade rather than kind of copping

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to it and saying all right, like yeah, we didn't

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want Luca and we should have moved into a rebuild

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a real rebuild while we actually moved him but went

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this direction didn't pen out. Now we're gonna strip it

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down and kind of start over. That's like, that's just

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what they need to do because I think the only

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way and they could still lose this trade. I've said

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this on the podcast before. You need to win a

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title within like one of the next two year years,

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and now this year is shot. A good chunk of

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next year should be show. Like everyone's saying Kyrie will

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be back by October or something. He's over thirty years

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say that.

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Speaker 2: Who's saying that?

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Speaker 1: Really? I couldn't say everyone. I've seen the time of

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like he's gonna miss like twenty games or something, so

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not October.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just trying to clarify it, Like, has

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just one person said that, because that would be ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: No, I've seen a bunch of stuff through my time.

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I've said it, he's going to be out until November

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or December, and I just feel like, isn't that. I

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guess acl injuries aren't what they used to be and

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he injured in in what March?

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Speaker 2: Wait, when did Kyrie find a time machine and become

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twenty two again?

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Speaker 1: Let's I mean, I would say that he's even if

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let's just say he comes back and beats whatever timeline,

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like he's going to miss a minimum I would think

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of between like not playing back to backs or maybe

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having to deal with further absences. If he plays in

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more than forty five games next year, I'll be pretty surprised.

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And even if he misses the first twenty let's say

474
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,799
he misses the first twenty five, that's enough to fall

475
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:02,119
out of the Western Conference playoff raise, So next year

476
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,400
feels like it's shot as well. I mean, I guess

477
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,640
what you can say is, well, they're gonna have a

478
00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:09,000
maybe they'll get a good draft pick this year, and

479
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,240
then they still have stuff to trade, like some of

480
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,559
their own distant first they have that Lakers pick. At

481
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:17,279
the same time, it's like, well, who are you getting?

482
00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:19,359
I've seen them tied to Kevin Durant, and that's just,

483
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,279
you know, for a team that supposedly cares about the

484
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,880
future in the aftermath of Lukadancic, that feels counterintuitive to

485
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,279
kind of shrink your window.

486
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:31,799
Speaker 2: Even more that body fat percentage of Kevin Durant. Though

487
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:38,160
he's skinny Dan, that's what counts skinny.

488
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're like they just you know, no one

489
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,319
told Nico Harrison and Patrick Dumont that they do all

490
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,200
this photo shopping to these magazine covers and they have

491
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,039
an idyllic view of what the human body's supposed to

492
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,240
look like. I'm not even claiming that Lukadanciic is coming

493
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,359
to camp in great shape all the time or bit

494
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,240
in great shape. You have to bet on the twenty

495
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,119
five year old figuring it out when he just we

496
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,319
don't need to rehash this like we're talking about the

497
00:23:59,319 --> 00:23:59,880
actual lucas.

498
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: Okay, how many times per week do you think Nico

499
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:05,119
Harrison watches The Devil Worst product?

500
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie, so I have no idea.

501
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: It's all about the like the fashion industry and being

502
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:17,440
a size zeral more or less. Like is it Joe

503
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,079
as Sulo who watches Like the Town four times per week? Yeah,

504
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,920
that's what Ego Harrison watches the Divial Wears product.

505
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: That's at this point. But this is where the lukadat

506
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,559
Just trade really matters. Here is the return that they

507
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,799
I guess we should say prioritized kind of signals that

508
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,960
they won't blow it up because this front office is not,

509
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,880
and ownership doesn't seem nearly self aware enough. I don't

510
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,880
know if they like this just this wasn't even disruption

511
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,920
for disruption's sake. It feels like they just truly believe

512
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:49,079
that they're the smartest people in the room. And that's

513
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,000
a really like that's a dangerous level of hubris, and

514
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,519
it means that they're not gonna blow it up. But

515
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,319
if I were running them, I absolutely would.

516
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: But like, there's another thing we haven't even touched on, Like,

517
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,759
so here's the thing. I do think Kyrie's going to

518
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,119
pick up his player option because of the injury. But

519
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,240
Kyrie is also a guy who can do different things.

520
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,720
He has different mindset of things, Like it wouldn't shock

521
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:19,160
me if he perhaps opts out, And it's like, no,

522
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,720
I want to see what else is out there that

523
00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:22,559
wouldn't shock me.

524
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,839
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was more likely now that he

525
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,480
would opt out and sign for multiple years at a

526
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,920
lower annual number to kind of lock into security post injury.

527
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that might be a thing. Of course,

528
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,279
seems to want to make sure that he's playable, Like

529
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:35,720
that's a.

530
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: No I met with Dallas. I thought that was the direction.

531
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, now, okay, but like we don't know, Like

532
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,160
maybe Kyrie ops out and signs elsewhere, in which case

533
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,039
it wouldn't even be a blowout. It would just be

534
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,279
talent leaving for nothing.

535
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,079
Speaker 1: I would be pretty shocked if that happened. But yeah,

536
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,119
you're right that logistically that is on the table.

537
00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: But hey, you know what, at least we get a

538
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,079
year older Klay Thompson next Season's that can only be

539
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,440
a good thing, right, It's not like he dropped off

540
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,000
this year or anything like that didn't happen. He's only

541
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:10,640
gonna get a lot better next year, right.

542
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: Matts fans him and Caleb Martin both probably.

543
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

544
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: Look, the thing that might force them to do it

545
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,440
is that if we've mentioned this too, if you're Anthony Davis,

546
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,240
you have to be looking at this situation, and I

547
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,039
would like, do you actually want to be here? Maybe

548
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:25,720
they're willing to extend you and so you want to

549
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,960
take the money and figure it out later. But I

550
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,960
would not want to be on this team if I

551
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,519
just the stigma attached because of the Lugadants trade, and

552
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,599
then next year feels like it'll kind of be a wash.

553
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,200
I mean, I guess you get to if you're fully

554
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,440
healthy as a team, you get to play power forward

555
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,799
next to Derek Lively, so that you have that going

556
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:44,880
for you. But beyond that, it just doesn't seem like

557
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,480
there's much here.

558
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: No, I agree, it's a team that should definitely not

559
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,799
keep its current ideology for sure.

560
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: Yes, what's another team that should blow it up? Oh?

561
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: Man, Look right now, if your bright spot on the

562
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:09,680
year is the luck induced play of Josh Giddy, you're

563
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,640
in a bad shape. This is a team that has

564
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:17,039
needed to choose a direction for years. I don't even

565
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,319
think they have like a lot of bad players on

566
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,920
the rostered like that are necessary to move. I don't

567
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,480
think they have bad contracts whatsoever. Like this is a

568
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,880
team that just needs to pick a direction because whatever

569
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,160
the current iteration of the roster is completely direction less.

570
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:34,160
If they're going to go into this summer and pay

571
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,079
Josh Gitty for ay million dollars per year, then you

572
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720
might as well just label the Bulls irrelevant for the

573
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:43,960
next half decade. So to me, blowing it up means

574
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,079
taking the vast majority of the roster and basically saying no, look,

575
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,559
we need to find them different homes. We need to

576
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:54,640
optimize draft pick returns. We need to optimize young player returns,

577
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,640
like this has to be a youth movement, like they

578
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,920
re signed or extended rather Lonzo who's now on a

579
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:05,400
very tradable contract, Booch. You know they failed to move

580
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,359
him at the trade headline. That was pretty That was

581
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,319
problematic to me because you know, when when you can't

582
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:13,960
trade a guy who's got the hot hand all year

583
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,440
and is clearly riding a wave, then you're not doing

584
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,480
a pretty good job. You probably can't get out of

585
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,839
the Patrick Williams contract as of right now, so he's

586
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720
probably a mainstay for now. You can get out of

587
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,759
the Kevin Hurder deal. You can definitely get out of

588
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:29,839
the Set Calls deal because he's played better since becoming

589
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,119
a Bull. They failed miserably and not trading Kobe White

590
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,240
at the trade headline, But they can trade him during

591
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,680
and they should trade him during the offseason because they

592
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,799
can't extend him due to the one h and forty

593
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:44,000
percent rule. He's gonna be an unrestricted free agent in

594
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:47,200
twenty twenty six. And let's be real, what possible cause

595
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,960
could he have to return to Chicago, Like why would

596
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,680
he want to return to this mess of a team

597
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,359
they give. If they offered that, that'd be problematic for

598
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,039
a whole different set of reasons. Right, So, like there's

599
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,160
nothing that this team that there's nothing to be excited

600
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,799
about for this team outside of like Mattas Busilas and

601
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,200
I'm not like, you know, penciling him in as a

602
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000
future All Star. He's good, but like, let's see, So

603
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:16,480
when I say blow up, I don't mean like two

604
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:20,079
or three pieces like with the with the sixers. I'm

605
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,559
talking about like roster wide. You should go into next

606
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,880
season maybe having like three of these guys on the roster.

607
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,279
That's it. Just pick a direction, make sure you're like

608
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,279
primarily twenty five and under, preferably twenty three and under,

609
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:40,720
and start being serious about basketball. You freaking losers.

610
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: I can't argue guess anything you said, other than to

611
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,359
provide the rebuke of they're not going to do that.

612
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,640
They should, but they're not going to do it.

613
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: Hey, you started this by saying if we ran this team,

614
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,440
No I'm not.

615
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm supporting your choice.

616
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Should you're better.

617
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: What's more likely, okay, that the Sun's trade Devin Booker

618
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:08,680
this offseason, or the Bulls trade Kobe White. God, you

619
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,200
shouldn't even need to think about this.

620
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,799
Speaker 2: Is that the problem? That's the problem. Yeah, Look, look

621
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,880
I can sum it up in this way, like I

622
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:20,200
have a greater chance of dating Rihanna than the Bulls

623
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,799
actually realizing that they need to retool or rebuild. That's

624
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:24,359
where we are.

625
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Congrafts on your pending nuptials. I hope, uh, I hope

626
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,279
your actual wife doesn't have a problem when you start dating.

627
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,079
Speaker 2: If I'm pretty sure she'll be pretty psyched.

628
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:41,599
Speaker 1: Actually, finally, you're good for something, right. My final team

629
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,200
is the Sacramento Kings, which I think is pretty clearly

630
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,960
the most in so far as there is one controversial

631
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,559
team on my list. I liked Zach Levine's look in Sacramento.

632
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440
I like the Jake Laaravia pickup. I still love Keegan Murray.

633
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,359
I don't have strong opinions on Devin Carter, like nothing

634
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,880
about what I knew him coming out of the draft

635
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,119
has changed now since he's been the NBA, he has

636
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:04,480
not played a ton and was dealing with the shoulder

637
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,799
injury to start the year. The thing, if you were

638
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:08,680
gonna trade dearon Fox, I think you should have been

639
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,079
going towards the rebuilding direction anyway, Now that there's just

640
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,759
murmurings around Domas Sabonis, is he happy or he wants

641
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,759
to reevaluate the situation over the summer. And then it

642
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,680
also seems pretty clearly that if de Aaron Fox is

643
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,519
telling the truth and that big name players in Sacramento

644
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,759
wanted Mike Brown fired, and de Aaron Fox wasn't one

645
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,079
of those big name players. Demartin Rosen was only added

646
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,279
last offseason. You think he went to the Kings wanting

647
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,359
Mike Brown to be fired. I don't think if that factored.

648
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,759
If Domas Sobonis's relationship with Mike Brown factored in to

649
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,160
the Kings's decision making there at all, that makes me

650
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,480
feel even worse about the Kings's decision makers. I think

651
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,759
Demonte Sibona is a great player. He is not someone

652
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,880
that you should give clart blanche to determine your coaching

653
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,839
situation regardless. Let's say you don't have to move. So

654
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,240
let's say he's happy there and you have levine, what

655
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,640
is the path forward for this team to actually reach

656
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,000
the next level and avoid being trapped in the middle

657
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:10,759
of the Western Conference. I think they're like two like

658
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,880
blockbuster type players short still and that's you need. We've

659
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,880
talked about a floor general for them on the previous

660
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:19,640
podcast that.

661
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,039
Speaker 2: Jones the answer, Dan, well, we'll fix everything.

662
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,039
Speaker 1: If you think that they're like a Tias Jones away

663
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,559
from tying stuff together, then we can. Phoenix fans might

664
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,480
disagree with that take a little bit, but I just

665
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,000
think they're too far away and that there's now too

666
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:39,920
much noise to believe that you can make anything other

667
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,960
than we're gonna contend for spots seven through ten in

668
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,920
the West moving forward, maybe over the course of a year,

669
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,279
but you should as an organization. I'm not there's more

670
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:54,319
to your competitive existence than winning a title, but you

671
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,599
need to have a pathway to actually entering fringe contention,

672
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,519
and right now the things just they aren't there. Like

673
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,000
the defense is now normalized since the darn Fox trade.

674
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,880
There they're seventeenth. I think they're nine and seven overall

675
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,319
since the trade. They I just I'm I look at

676
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:13,839
this roster. There's a lot of players I like individually

677
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,160
and they can fit together. But I think that they

678
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,559
still kind of need like two different types of bigger

679
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,599
name players, or shouldn't say bigger name but like really

680
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,079
high impact players where I might argue that they need

681
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:27,559
at least one closing lineup member and then like a

682
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,960
sixth best player or something, and that's just They're just

683
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,000
it's you're in a weird spot and you still have

684
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,240
that pick going to Atlanta. Is it going to convey

685
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,480
this year's top twelve protected? Is it gonna leak into

686
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,319
next year? This is just a team that despite having

687
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,519
good players and despite like if I told you they

688
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,119
were six in the West next year, you probably wouldn't

689
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,440
bat too much of an eye, but like, you need

690
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,000
to have higher aspirations than that, and I don't see

691
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,960
a pathway to them getting there.

692
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,599
Speaker 2: What can they realistically get for Demartow Robson.

693
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know. I just when you look at

694
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,400
his age, the contract is fine, but like you're not

695
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,480
getting a first round pick for Demarta Roseen.

696
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: I think, sorry, I should I should have clified I

697
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,199
mean player like like, because if we assume they want

698
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,000
to stick with Levigne and Sibonis, and let's assume that

699
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,079
Sibonis gets his answerous about the direction of the franchise

700
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,639
and he's satisfied, and like he redevotes himself to the team,

701
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,039
Like player wise, who can you get for Demarth de Rosen,

702
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,360
who's a better fit with emphasis unfit not salent, Like

703
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,719
his production is surprisingly good for someone his age.

704
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: For sure, I think he's a good player. I think

705
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,079
the problem with him or even I would say even

706
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,559
Monk is you need to attach stuff to them to

707
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:48,559
get what I would think is a better fitting player.

708
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,159
But like, if you're moving to Marta Rosen, some names

709
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,639
that I think you should target, I mean Kobe White, like,

710
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,000
strike another deal with the balls. You're gonna have to

711
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:58,360
include pick equity, they're sure, But Kobe White would be

712
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:00,679
I mean he's not even the best because he's not

713
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,119
like a floor general type of guy you could you

714
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,719
look at. He'll be too expensive and free agency and

715
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,280
he's making so much money. But Fred Van Fleet would

716
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,719
have been a good fit. So like, but that's the

717
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,320
type of player that or you need to go sort

718
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,159
of the like a mirror image of Keegan Murray type

719
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:20,960
of like someone else just on the wings who could

720
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
play on the front line with Keegan Murray and so

721
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,239
like that name would be And I'm not even the

722
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,320
problem here is I could name those players, but the

723
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,760
team that has them still is gonna want need to

724
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,119
want DeMar de Rosen, and that's what also makes it

725
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,679
tricky there. But like the two areas of focus would

726
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:39,800
be like a floor general spot, someone who gives you

727
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,400
more playmaking versatility and quality than a Monk or even

728
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,519
a de Rozan or Levigne. And then just I would

729
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:50,639
still skew towards like a three four. Someone who might

730
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:52,440
be like a four or five and can play next

731
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,760
to the bonus might be interesting there, but I still

732
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,239
think more of like a three four would.

733
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: Do you have any confidence that launch a Ball could

734
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,320
return to like some of you know how he looked

735
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,599
prior to his injury.

736
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: I feel I'm not a medical expert, so I don't

737
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,840
want to say no, but like him having unprecedented surgery

738
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,159
basically and like just knee problems, it's even if he's available,

739
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,920
is he ever going to be more than a twenty

740
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,719
minutes per game guy consistently?

741
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: That's my concern as well, because like if it was

742
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,039
if it was pre injury Lonzo Ball, that would be

743
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:29,199
like the perfect addition to that team, like just perfect.

744
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,159
Speaker 1: And he's he's been at but he's only played in

745
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:34,840
seven games since February first, he's been over twenty five minutes.

746
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,719
So if you were telling me you can get twenty

747
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,280
seven minutes a game from Lonzo Ball for sixty games

748
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,920
a year, sure that that would be a very.

749
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: Interesting bit, especially at ten million a year, right, I

750
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,760
mean that.

751
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:50,079
Speaker 1: Would be So what about what about LaMelo Ball. Let's

752
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,400
really test the bat, let's really fuck with their defense

753
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,800
and give him LaMelo ball and the bonus together and Levine.

754
00:36:56,199 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: So it would be Levine Ball's the bonus as your.

755
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,599
Speaker 1: I feel like we had this conversation that we mentioned

756
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:06,440
John Morant. I feel like we're this is Dejavrew with

757
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,800
the podcast. But if I'm the Kings, my whole point

758
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,079
is I'm not going like I don't view a lot

759
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:13,920
of the guys that we were just talking about as gettable,

760
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,000
And then I'm wondering how much you need to give

761
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,599
up to even get them. So what are you left with?

762
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,360
That's why I just don't see the path to the

763
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,800
Kings entering the upper echelon of the West anymore. I

764
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,039
think that it was more accessible to them had they

765
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,519
just kept the Aaron Fox maybe figured it out over

766
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,280
the offseason or in the first place you've mentioned this,

767
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,199
you should have went after like you should have just

768
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,159
gone after Zach Lavine instead of Demarta Rosen and picked

769
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,960
up him in the first place, regardless if we were

770
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,159
always going to get here with the Daron Fox front.

771
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,960
I don't understand why you weren't prioritizing the bigger picture.

772
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,760
Maybe you've viewed it as a lack of leverage because

773
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,840
he wanted to go to San Antonio. Okay, fine, that

774
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,599
situation's over. I would still like to see them take

775
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,960
more of a gradual path forward over the summer.

776
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: But can we also talk about the elephant in the

777
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,679
room that I think is really not being talked about enough.

778
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,480
There was a lot of hope that Kegan Murray would

779
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,719
turn into, you know, one of the better scores at

780
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,400
the forward petition. That was basically the way he was

781
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,159
built coming into the draft. I think he had a

782
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:20,000
productive rugue season. I think offensively, Yeah, he took some

783
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,800
steps forward some steps back in his sophomore year, but

784
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,440
you kind of saw the path laid out for him.

785
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,599
You were like, oh, okay, you can see him like

786
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,719
take those gradual steps up towards becoming you know, an

787
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,039
offensive force. This year he actually became their best perimeter defender.

788
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:38,639
He's improved from.

789
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Me, I think I would counter by saying he was

790
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,519
that last year as well.

791
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he took a step up this year. Honestly,

792
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,119
I think we're seeing an even better version of it.

793
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,199
I do agree he got better last year. I think

794
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,280
last year that was when expectations started arriving, because he

795
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,280
improved both sides of the ball. But I think this

796
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,719
year the defensive improvements have been the best we've ever

797
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,079
seen from him. The offense has just lacked. He still

798
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,719
doesn't get to the line. The three ball has become

799
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,719
grotesquely and consistent, the volume missed down. Overall, It's like

800
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,280
if he was the guy he was last year with

801
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,199
what we were thinking of in terms of improvement this year,

802
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,639
I think we have an entirely different outlook on this team.

803
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,360
Like maybe now that Fox is gone and maybe going

804
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,559
through a full training camp, maybe this is what it

805
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,000
takes next year coming into the season for Keegans and

806
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,559
basically say, oh, year four, now it can actually just

807
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,480
get up shots. I can play within the flow of

808
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,639
the offense. I can do a B and C whatever.

809
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,360
But the fact that he hasn't hit that this year

810
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,440
is a huge disappointment.

811
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,159
Speaker 1: I think it can be disappointing, but how much of

812
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,239
that can you put on him when this is someone

813
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,800
who they just don't use in that manner offensively, Like

814
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,559
the three ball stuff for sure, like that's been kind

815
00:39:57,559 --> 00:39:59,960
of noisy, But this is someone who has never ranked

816
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,679
higher than the fortieth percentile in dribbles per touch. His

817
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,679
touches per seventy five possessions are down this year. It

818
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,440
feels like they've just sort of enveloped him in this

819
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:12,440
pecking order that is not conducive to him actually growing

820
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,719
too much as an offensive player.

821
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: No, I definitely, I do think the Kings have a

822
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,559
stake in this, but I think it's overall disappointing because

823
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,159
we're also seeing a version of Keikan now who's sassitating

824
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,360
the hell out of like everything. He'll get the ball

825
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,000
in the wing with very little like defensive attachment, and

826
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,679
instead of just pulling the trigger or getting into a drive,

827
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,239
he's like looking serving like, oh where can I find

828
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:45,440
Domas Like it's yeah, you're right, organizationally, it's a problem,

829
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,840
But I also think he has to be more aggressive. Yeah,

830
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,320
and I hate that word because it's it's thrown around

831
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,639
all the time, but like he has to be more

832
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,440
determined in his mindset as well, Like it's a joint thing,

833
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,199
Like maybe next year, if they stick with him him,

834
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:03,079
maybe that's the thing they talk about over the course

835
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:04,960
of summer. Maybe that's the thing they talk about during

836
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,159
a training camp, Like, Hey, this is a different Kings team,

837
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,119
no garon Fox anymore. This is your time to shine.

838
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,679
I actually hope it because it's I believe in his talent,

839
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,880
and I've been very weirded out by how they've utilized.

840
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,119
Speaker 1: Who is your final team.

841
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: Well, you have them on the screen and it's the

842
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,559
Pels And this is this is a rough This is

843
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:30,159
a rough one because Sion has played so much better

844
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,000
recently and it's very evident that he's down in wait

845
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:38,920
and he looks great. Like I think, honestly, just as

846
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,880
a big person myself, I've always hated the fat jokes

847
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,719
and everything, Like, I've always been more focused on, you know,

848
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,159
the skill set, the talent and whatnot. And then what

849
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,719
has bothered me has been two things. It's been his

850
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,760
general lack of availability, obviously, but it's also been just

851
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,280
how difficult he is to build around. He is such

852
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,920
a unique player, to the point where I've genuinely struggled

853
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,760
to find a player that resembles him in the NBA history.

854
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,920
The closest I've come. And this is tiring because that

855
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,679
was the pre draft comp as well. That's Charles Barkley.

856
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,119
That is the guy who he resembles most, just in

857
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,320
terms of archetype. Like it's so difficult for David Griffin

858
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,280
and any other GM out there to take an undersized

859
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,400
four who doesn't shoot the three ball at a high rate,

860
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:29,159
who needs the ball in his hands to be productive,

861
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:34,719
who you can sort of kind of run the offense through,

862
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,679
but where you still need like a predominant ball handler,

863
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,199
and then he doesn't act as a floor spacing threat

864
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,480
to that ball handler. You can't really have a center

865
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,800
who's just a rim runner anymore, Like you would have

866
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,079
to tailor the entire roster around him. And then when

867
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:54,800
you do, he gives you fifty games per year. If

868
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,880
that so, it's like, I'm just of that mindset now

869
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,599
that given how he's producing at the current rate, given

870
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,920
how he's right now presumably raising his own stock, Yeah,

871
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,760
now is the time to strike. That's my logic, because

872
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,159
the contract he'saw on is pretty brilliant, Like there are

873
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,079
a lot of outs in that deal as well, so

874
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,960
he should be fairly high in terms of like value

875
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:24,960
trade value wise. And so again just the two log

876
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,920
didn't read version here, love scion, love what he gives.

877
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,440
You don't trust the ability to build around, to build

878
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,360
a team around him due to the archetype that he is.

879
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,559
So he's a major point in the blow up. And

880
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:41,519
then the player on the picture right alongside him, CJ

881
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,440
McCollum obviously you know, like it's time, it's time to

882
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,320
find something else. Just the Pels need to get into

883
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,079
a different era.

884
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,639
Speaker 1: I would just be curious what you need I want.

885
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:57,480
I think a lot hinges on where do they land

886
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,079
in the draft lotteries for them specifically, right it probably,

887
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,599
I guess is more palatable. They would definitely be tempting

888
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,519
to pair him with Cooper Flag. It was probably more

889
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:08,159
palatable if you just end in if you get a

890
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,639
top three pick to say, okay, let's start over. But

891
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:12,639
I think you know, some of the issues for them

892
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,519
is I'm they've already tried to move SAJ McCollum and couldn't.

893
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:17,960
I'm sure it becomes easier now, it'll be an expiring contract,

894
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,079
and it is a little bit cheaper. But with Zion

895
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:23,119
it's sort of you're not getting rid of him because

896
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,320
you have outs in his contract, right, You're not getting

897
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,840
rid of him for just getting rid of him. So

898
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,719
what's the type of offer that you would need as

899
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,199
the Pelicans? I mean we're talking prospect and pick equity.

900
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,480
So is it the equivalent of three first? Does two first?

901
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,360
Get it done? For you?

902
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 2: Like?

903
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:38,079
Speaker 1: What are you looking at as the Pels?

904
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy you asked me that because I

905
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,480
have something for you and this is this is out there.

906
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,440
I'm not going to shy away from that. But you

907
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,800
are the perfect guy to pitch out their concepts too.

908
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:56,320
So we know that they've struggled in Washington to like

909
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,400
get a foothold. They want to rebuild, but they also

910
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,000
like they one of the most irrelevant teams in the league,

911
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:07,239
if not the most irrelevant team. They know it. They

912
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,119
are tired of it. If they win the lottery, if

913
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,400
you're the you know where I'm going here? If do

914
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,960
the Wizards? Do you entertain that?

915
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: No?

916
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: You can.

917
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,599
Speaker 1: The Wizards are going through a methodical rebuild at this point,

918
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,199
you like, I get they might be irrelevant, like to

919
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,079
the national just NBA public, but I think that at

920
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,519
this point it's by design and they're expecting it. They

921
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,199
would like if those were the bulls, I could see

922
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:36,519
them short circuiting there. There's no way if you're Washington

923
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,400
and you give up. You can't even give up a

924
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,800
top three pick for design. That would make no sense

925
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,039
to me.

926
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,679
Speaker 2: I would agree with you, agreed with you. Before the

927
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,280
Luca trade two, I would have said no, absolutely not.

928
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,960
Now I'm like up is down, right is left? I

929
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,000
have no fucking idea of like where trade values lie anymore.

930
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,800
I have no idea how teams are thinking internally, but like,

931
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,000
at least it's on some level, it would be interesting.

932
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting. I mean, I'd like to see Ballall

933
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,920
and Zion and Sar play together objectively, but it can't

934
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,320
come at the expense, Like if it was the tenth

935
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,880
pick in you're Washington, Okay, maybe you have a conversation

936
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,880
about rolling the dice. Even then, his availability makes that

937
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,400
tough for a team that's not on the precipice of

938
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,480
even fringe contention. I would think, if you're trying to

939
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,079
find a team.

940
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: What would make sense like, if you're taking the draft

941
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,960
pick route, like what is how high is too high

942
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,519
to pivot off of that draft pick for Sian Williamson?

943
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: How high is too high? I probably haven't done enough

944
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,679
digging into this draftcat class yet to answer that, but

945
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:46,320
I'm thinking, just like the ballpark it with a pick. Yeah, honestly,

946
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,239
I don't think that you could. Well, you have to

947
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,559
look at the teams who are kind of involved there too,

948
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,719
because like the if you're a team like the Sixers,

949
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,079
you can justify giving up the seventh pick for they

950
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,400
won't have the seventh pick. But just if that's the

951
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,960
timeline horizon, your face sing, right, I don't know, I'm

952
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,000
I'm I will say I'm not giving up a top

953
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,800
five pick for Zion Williamson. I just can't. I think

954
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,239
he is potentially one of the ten best players in

955
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,800
the NBA when he's healthy, yep. But he's never been

956
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,920
nearly healthy or available enough for you to bank that

957
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,119
kind of pick equity in him.

958
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,639
Speaker 2: Now, if you're the Spurs and you're at tenant and

959
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,719
seventeen as sorry, ten and sixteen as they are right now,

960
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,599
and if that's where they land to, is that enough

961
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:32,960
for New Orleans, you'll have to add something. Contractually, You'll

962
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,119
probably have to add.

963
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: Like Harrison Barnes or somebody.

964
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Calton Johnson or something like that.

965
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might consider that if I'm the spar I mean,

966
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,800
their spacing would just be with Steph Castle and Fox,

967
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,000
and Zion might get a little Yankee.

968
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,079
Speaker 2: At the best center possibly to pair around him, though

969
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:55,320
right right, that is the center to pair with him.

970
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: Though, I am curious, from New Orleans' perspective, do you

971
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,719
want three picks in this year's draft for Zion Williams.

972
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,320
Wouldn't you rather have a pick that's later out? So

973
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,159
is there a third team that's giving you cut? Like

974
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,000
are you sending maybe a tenth pick somewhere for distant picks?

975
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,360
I don't know, But ten and seventeen in a vacuum

976
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,360
is a value. Feels like it would at least warrant

977
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,280
a discussion because for the type of player Zion is, no,

978
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,119
that's not enough, but for how available he has not been,

979
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,000
I think you have to at least talk about it

980
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:26,440
if if it's the ten and seventeen equivalent.

981
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,199
Speaker 2: But you did raise something interesting that I hadn't thought

982
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:33,280
about when you set the Bulls because like if they

983
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,360
they're currently slotted to draft eight, if that's where they

984
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,320
end up, you're actually right, that's a team that would

985
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,239
absolutely tuck themselves into it, like immediately.

986
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they absolutely would. I don't I'm curious,

987
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,440
like what they probably include other stuff because if New Orleans,

988
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,199
if you're getting eight and then let's just say you

989
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,760
have four or something, So if you're getting eight on

990
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,320
top of that, like I think you probably do it.

991
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,360
I don't know. This is the Zion discussions, And I

992
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,280
even thought about the Blazers because they could kind of

993
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,519
wind up in sort of the same draft area. And

994
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,599
what if you're getting off Jeremy Like if you're and

995
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:12,920
if you're New Orleans and you're trading Zion, you're probably

996
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,480
more willing to take back a contract like Jeremy Grant, right,

997
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:21,760
just because you're not on any sort of immediate window. Yeah,

998
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,480
so that might be part of the appeal for another team,

999
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,360
Like the Bulls will be an example, because they have

1000
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,519
Patrick Williams. So if like you were able to get

1001
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,400
off Patrick Williams giving up your top seven pick, or again,

1002
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,000
if you're trading Grant and number seven or eight, now

1003
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:38,079
again if I was running Portland. It feels a little

1004
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:41,639
too early to do something like that. But the defense

1005
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:43,760
that you've played this year and you just insert Zion

1006
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440
into there, your floor spacing is already kind of bunk.

1007
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,960
He's already played in like Whacker floor spacing setups. Maybe

1008
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,880
you have Zion and Scoot and Shade and Sharp and

1009
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,119
Denny Avdia and Donovan Klingen. I could get on board

1010
00:49:58,119 --> 00:49:59,800
with the Blazers do like if there was a team

1011
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,559
I'm not. If there was a team that I could

1012
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,159
advocate this for, it would be Portland because I feel

1013
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,480
like they're gonna be low enough in the lottery order,

1014
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,760
like still in the mid end where it's okay, you're

1015
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,639
not giving up any your core players, you're not giving

1016
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,079
up a top five pick. Maybe take a look at it.

1017
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,679
And if you're getting off Jeremy Grant's deal in the process,

1018
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,239
that's another benefit.

1019
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,599
Speaker 2: I wonder if Miami would be interesting too, because again

1020
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,440
I've said this repeatedly, but kalil Ware was the guy

1021
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,440
I would like pair with Sion as well, like the

1022
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,400
inside outside thread, like the are.

1023
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: You playing where Bam and zihunt together?

1024
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: No? And probably yeah, So what is the deal for

1025
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,079
Sion if you're shipping him to Miami, Like, what is

1026
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:45,599
the deal there? I don't even know? Is that BAM

1027
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:46,519
probably not right?

1028
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: No, there's there's no Wayam's way more durable.

1029
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,639
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, oh no, no, not of course he is.

1030
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,159
I'm just wondering, like, what the hell the deal is

1031
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,880
because if Sion gets there, the best fifth with him

1032
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,639
would be ware and not BAM up front like.

1033
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: This because where where it can stretch. But like, Zion's

1034
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,159
played with bigs who can't base before, so we could

1035
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,320
play with BAM.

1036
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,559
Speaker 2: But we haven't seen like the right amount of success

1037
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,440
though with those guys when they're inside.

1038
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,519
Speaker 1: But none of them have ever been They've all been

1039
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,000
for the most part. I mean Steven Adams wasn't. But no,

1040
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,760
none of them have even been in the the same

1041
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:29,880
area code as BAM.

1042
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: Defensively, that's true, very very true. Yes, But the floor

1043
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,679
stretching offensively I think is such a necessity in his

1044
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,559
front court partner.

1045
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:42,599
Speaker 1: This is kind of there's like, what is the perfect

1046
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:44,760
Zion Williams and trade destination? I don't think we've come

1047
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,039
up with it as the problem. So if you're in

1048
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:49,639
New Orleans, it's I like, so to look at it

1049
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,000
this way, if you're New Orleans, I would say I

1050
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,480
need at least the equivalent of like two real first

1051
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,360
round picks to even think about it. And I'm probably

1052
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,800
asking for more the of teams that I think would

1053
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,440
actually do that. Like, honestly, I might be talking myself

1054
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,519
into Portland in the moment. I could see the Bulls

1055
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,320
doing it, but they can't write like, there's no way

1056
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,559
they'll do it. Maybe they would, Bulls.

1057
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: They look, here's the thing. They were like, Oh, you

1058
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,320
want to rope us into this deal San Antonio, Sacramento.

1059
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:21,360
Oh you want to fleece the fuck out of us

1060
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,159
during trade deadline? Here you go, guys. All we ask

1061
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,239
is our twenty twenty five pickback, which we could be

1062
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,719
so bad anyway that we didn't even need to negotiate for,

1063
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,320
and hey, let's give you our best player while we're

1064
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,199
at it. And you were saying the way the Bulls would.

1065
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:40,519
Speaker 1: Do it, well, I'm just think I guess they would

1066
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,400
do I don't know. I guess I'm the come on,

1067
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,800
I guess I'm giving them. They assigned so much value

1068
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,000
to having their own pick this year and moving forward,

1069
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,679
maybe I'm giving them too much of the benefit of

1070
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:57,119
the doubt. That's what you're saying is totally fair. Would No,

1071
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,239
I'm just trying, like Charlotte's not gonna give up this year. Pick.

1072
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,599
This front office has not operated that impulsively. Zion next

1073
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,280
to Lamela would be fun, but there's no way they're

1074
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,079
giving him that pick.

1075
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: No, But I'm actually I'm actually digging your your your

1076
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,199
Portland idea. I don't hate that because there's like, if

1077
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,039
you if you retain Anthrey Simons, you've got a real

1078
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:23,239
floor stretcher. Scoot is getting on like he's really he's

1079
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,599
turning on the jets now he's he seems like he's

1080
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:30,599
becoming a thing. And how could you present Portland as

1081
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,599
an alternative? And not mentioned Tomani Kamara? youI fall people?

1082
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:35,440
How dare you?

1083
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,559
Speaker 1: Oh? I apologize? Play him at the five sometimes like

1084
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:40,440
him and Zion in the front court when Clington's not

1085
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,400
on the floor there. Honestly, you imagine some of the

1086
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,800
vicious dunks we'd be seeing too with Shane Sharp and

1087
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:47,880
Zion on the same theme.

1088
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: Look, if Donovan Klingon's three point shot is like a

1089
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,119
thing and we know that internally that was one of

1090
00:53:57,159 --> 00:53:59,639
the things that they thought he would be able to add.

1091
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,320
We saw that during like they were very open, by

1092
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,480
the way about their entire pre drafts process, and they

1093
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,199
spoke about him like on record like yeah, we think

1094
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,800
he's got the ability to take and make threes within

1095
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,280
a very short timeframe.

1096
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,519
Speaker 1: Like yeah, stuff like that is just and I'm I

1097
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,679
want to make it clear that I've made this mistake.

1098
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,920
And the last player I ever fully believed it on

1099
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,000
was I remember pre draft Willie cauley Stein. Everyone was

1100
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,639
talking about him as an eventual floor spacer. They showed

1101
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,079
videos of him hitting threes. I will believe it when

1102
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:38,599
I like the Brook Lopez career arc is just basically

1103
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:40,480
one of one at this point.

1104
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:44,159
Speaker 2: No, but so I agree with that. I agree with that,

1105
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,559
But I do think they have some pretty decent people

1106
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,679
in Portland to actually, you know, look at the talent

1107
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,960
level of stuff and it's not like Donovan Klington hasn't

1108
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,800
hit threes this year, Like, yes, it's low volume. Yes,

1109
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,280
the efficiency isn't great.

1110
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:58,639
Speaker 1: What is he a point four attempts per game or something?

1111
00:54:58,679 --> 00:54:59,679
Isn't even that high on a.

1112
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,199
Speaker 2: Six attempts under eight?

1113
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: Who do you trust is a floor spaceer more moving forward.

1114
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,679
Donovan Klingon or Zach Edy.

1115
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,039
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.

1116
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,639
Speaker 1: That's it's Zach Edy for me. We've just maybe that's

1117
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,159
because we've seen it more this year. Is really what

1118
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:21,480
it is?

1119
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:26,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, but but he's also left wide wide open.

1120
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: I don't taking contested escape cripple threes.

1121
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: All right, that's fair, but I know so okay, So

1122
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,079
what it comes down to the me is I trust

1123
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,039
Clingon's release a little bit more, but I do hear

1124
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,119
you like Edi seems to be more reliable and also

1125
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,280
he definitely surprised all of us by being able to

1126
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,440
hit it at that rate. That's a really good question

1127
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:53,960
that I don't know if I have an answer for.

1128
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,119
Speaker 1: So we've settled on to Portland would be our favorite.

1129
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,320
I can't think of their teams where he'd be a

1130
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,199
good fit. They would just never trade for him because

1131
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:07,639
I can't really think of another one like that. Minnesota

1132
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:10,039
would be weird.

1133
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: Julius Randall. It's the same saying.

1134
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: Right, undefeated and Julius Randall's what last ten games? I think?

1135
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,079
Speaker 2: So to look, man, that's uh, that's a thing that's happening, right, now,

1136
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,000
which is surprising to me.

1137
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,639
Speaker 1: Atlanta they have Jalen Johnson. That doesn't make a ton

1138
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,719
of sense at all. They anymore of a five. I mean,

1139
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Brooklyn would be fun, but just like that is just

1140
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,480
what are you giving up? You're not giving up your

1141
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,760
first round picks, and you're not giving up other teams

1142
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,760
first round picks. But Brooklyn would be fun. Him under

1143
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,400
Jordi Fernandez would be fun as Hell's true.

1144
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: You'd need a different center than Nick Claxon, though, because

1145
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,960
you need someone who can actually.

1146
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:50,039
Speaker 1: I thought briefly, but again, I just don't think they're

1147
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:51,760
a team that would give a ton of equity for him.

1148
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,440
Detroit could be sort of interesting. It's like, oh, we're

1149
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,119
gonna get our number two, but it's gonna come in

1150
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,639
the form of Zion. You have the Tobias Harris salary,

1151
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,039
but it's the Jalen of it all. You can play

1152
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:04,840
him next to Isaiah Stewart. Yeah, are you giving up? Like,

1153
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,960
what are you giving up? Though you're not You're not

1154
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:08,639
even gonna have this?

1155
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:13,079
Speaker 2: Well, do you try to allow Stewart to take threes? Again?

1156
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: I think if Zion's there, well maybe you don't have to,

1157
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,599
But that maybe they do. But I mean, like defensively,

1158
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:23,719
he's basically a perfect fit next to Zion.

1159
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:27,119
Speaker 2: I agree. Did we just spend an hour on one question?

1160
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: We did? Shout up, shout out to.

1161
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,719
Speaker 2: Us and shout out to Nutty.

1162
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: That was you know, that was a fantastic question. I

1163
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,360
think that was a good do you have of the

1164
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,960
teams that we mentioned, who do you think is the

1165
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,239
most likely to of the six teams that we mentioned

1166
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,800
to blow it up? It feels like Phoenix, right, Yeah, well,

1167
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,519
I mean.

1168
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,639
Speaker 2: I think feeling Phoenix want to go into like a

1169
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:54,639
retooling process like that's that. I love the fact that

1170
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:56,760
it was framed like this because I could also see

1171
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,599
a scenario we're in none of the six teams actually

1172
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:00,159
going to.

1173
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,159
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible. Yeah, shout out to Nutter because

1174
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,800
you just I think, created your own podcast. We're gonna

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make the midstream decision to Part one of the mail

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bag is should these NBA teams blow it up? Let

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us know which of these six you think should blow

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it up? Would you nominate someone else? And we'll be

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back though in a couple of days with Part two

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of the mail Bag, which will include many more questions.

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Thank you all your anymore questions, it'll be an actual

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mail bag more until next time? Are you able just

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to tell our listeners where they could find you and

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all the fantastic work that you do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you can find me over at blue Sky,

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at MSJ NBA. Uh, you can find me at Yahoo Sports.

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You can find me at Forbes, you can find me

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on the NBA podcast, and you can find me on

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the Danish buzzer beater if you speak Danish, playing chains.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always.

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Speaker 2: About one, oh, you do not get to skip your listen, sir.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know if this was going to

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be a planned Oh nihla sucks.

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Speaker 2: You know what that is? Like your get up Jill

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free card now, because you say it so well, I'm

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always impressed, you're.

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Speaker 1: And wait, cas get hat casquet yep, let's get close.

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And what was what was last episode's word?

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Speaker 2: Damn it? That was? That was skate spoon?

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Speaker 1: Skate spoon okay, ye past the skate the spoon, all right,

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all right, what's this? Oh? I know I know what

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the item is, like, I know what the word's going

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to be, but I don't know the Danish word for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because I wasn't sure what you call this

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in English. But you you set a yardstick or.

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Speaker 1: A meter stick, it'ld be one or the other, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Thomas stuck, Thomas stuck. That was very good. Actually,

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I thought I would throw you a curple on this one.

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Speaker 1: It in English, it kind of sounds like tongue is stuck,

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so just like esctually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just with the double mums.

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Speaker 1: Stuck, Thomas stuck. I don't think anyone here ever uses

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the word yardstick or meter stick though the probably, but

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I at least know it.

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Speaker 2: And I know what's inch, which is the word tumut.

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It's like inch, which we don't even like use inches.

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We use the metric system.

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Speaker 1: This is we know. Nila sucks is my favorite one

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to say. Yeah, I think Thomas suck is my second

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favorite one to say. Suck stuck, Thomas duck.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to different things.

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Speaker 1: Until next time. And as always, I think we shout

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out to the one, the only, the player who if

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he was on your team, you would never need to

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blow it up because he is the past, present, and

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future all in one, mister Frank Pila.

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Speaker 2: And he's also as tall as a Thomas Duck exactly