Speaker 1: What is up, Fellawsikos. I am Dana Valley coming at
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here to do a mega mail bag that will be
focused on teams that we think should blow it up.
Will be like sort of the overarching theme here, but
we have a bunch of questions we will get to
as many as possible. Thank you to all of our
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you're watching too. More before we belly flop into this
mega mail bag, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing very well. I always in joybacks. I've begun
doing them a ton on my Danish pod. Initially I
was very skeptical of it. Because I would like ask
people to come in with questions, hot takes, you know,
just general opinions, whatever, and in the early going you
would have only like four or five people checking in,
and like you would have to stretch the answers a
little bit, so like make it a full podcast. Now
I'm having the opposite problem because I started a Facebook
group where people could just ask questions. I thought I'd
get like twenty people in that group who would just
ask questions or whatever. That group is like six hundred
people now and it's taken on a life of its own.
And when I'm asking for questions, I get like forty
fifty at time, So I just have to like pick
and choose. So mailbacks have become my thing. Love them
so love this format. It's it's such a nice medium
to me because you really get to feel like you're
talking to the listener, which I greatly enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I love doing the audience engagement. Mail bags are some
of our favorite podcasts. If I thought we would get
the volume of questions, I'd probably do them weekly and
it just it comes and goes. I think where this
one was, we had about a moderate number of answers,
like we won't get to all of them, and there
were some people that sent in multiple so it's like
some people only get there might be two, some person
might get the same two in there, except we do
have a bit for you specifically that there's three questions
from the same person in there, so that'll be fun.
But I love mail bags. We did the rule change
podcast Grant and I last week where people submitted their
rule changes that we got an overwhelming number of responses.
We couldn't get to it, so shout out to everyone
who continues to engage. I do love despite I think
that in media we're just podcasting sometimes there's like a
disdain for the audience. We do not actually have it.
I enjoy engaging with everyone for the most part about
what they're thinking. So if you're ready, are we ready
to belly flop right into this exercise?
Speaker 2: I am. Look, I have the belly for it, so
absolutely it's you I'm worried about because if you fall
first and I fall on top of you with this
belly flop, you're dead.
Speaker 1: No one's actually gonna know if that's true because you're
wearing a shirt, so we can't. We have to call
bullshit on that. Belly claim by you. So that's all
I gotta say. All right, we begin with this question
from Nutter? What are your top three blow it up
teams this offseason? We're approaching this as we're running this team,
and it doesn't matter what they're gonna do in real life,
but we would blow them up if we're running it.
We also added a curveball towards the end of it.
Did we actually select our teams? Knowing this? Who's to say, really?
But we cannot pick the same team twice. So I'll
go first, and then mort will go through a team.
Then I'll go through a team, the Mortal go through
a team, and so on till we each have three.
So are you itching to know who my first team is?
Speaker 2: Moret I'm itching in all the right places.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have the Suns. This one is part of
that question, by the way, is should the Suns and
MAVs be included? The Sun should be included. I feel
like you could make a case for them to be
the team that needs to blow it up the most,
just because of the Kevin Durant trade chatter that's there.
And we have a little bit more on the Suns later.
I did try to wrap my head around, Well, what
does blowing it up actually look like? Because there are
two players that they could get a ton of value for,
that's Devin Booker and Kevin Durant, only one of whom
would I actually predict that they move like under their
own volition. I think Devin Booker has to ask for
a trade for him to actually be traded, and I
don't necessarily expect him to ask for one. Maybe if
you trade for trade KD and he doesn't like the return,
Buel's no trade clause makes it weird. Maybe he's more
likely to waive it for anybody if you get rid
of both Booker and Durant, Grace and Allen could probably
get you something. Royce O'Neil is useful. So it's just
I think what's complicated with them more is that they're bad.
Like we don't need to mince words there. It's just
what are you doing when you don't control your draft
at all? Through twenty thirty one? If you can't get
any of your own picks back from Houston? Are you
still burn it down? And I don't know that the
organization would if you can get your own picks back
from Houston you absolutely should though Yep.
Speaker 2: Look, I like the stories of guys sticking with one
organization throughout the course of the careers. Like I would
love to see Devin Booker retire a Sun and stay there,
But that's just such an optimistic view in twenty twenty five,
that's not the way the world works anymore. He's been there,
he took them to the finals. They didn't get over
the hump. You know, it's I'm not saying it's time
just because it's time, but for this team to actually
make a valiant effort in somehow get into another era
or pivot into something else. Yeah, you probably need to
move him because I'm sitting here thinking of alternatives, like
is there a way you can trade Durand for someone
who comes in and just aligns everything and where you
basically say, let's keep this trend going. If so, I
just don't know who that player is or who that
group of players are. I don't know, so maybe we
should spit ball that, Like maybe there's a guy out
there that makes sense like one I haven't. I haven't
done like a trade checker on this, so I'm not
sure if it works, But like, would you be interested
in like a deal that's censored around KD for ad.
Speaker 1: For example, if I'm the Suns, I mean, if you're
keeping Devin Booker, why not, Yeah, you're getting younger, technically
you're getting less durability probably overall. But yeah, I mean,
if I'm the Suns, I would consider that. I would
just be curious, like how many picks that aren't your
own or what type of return would it take for
you to skew the blow up or rebuilding route for
Kevin Durant if you're not getting back your your own
picks and or actually, let's wrap up your framing of
it that we know the Timberwolves are going to be interested.
They were interested in Durant, they're interested in him again.
They don't have any first round picks to trade this summer.
Like does something like I don't know what the exact
math would have to be, but does Jade McDaniels and
Rudy Gobaer do it for you?
Speaker 2: If you're Phoenix, that was the one I pitched I
think a while ago when you and I were talking,
I terrible idea.
Speaker 1: If you pitched it, let's let's just move on now.
Speaker 2: I will say that wasn't like the final framework. I
think you would probably need to align value also by
adding some sort of sweetener or whatever like, but that
would be the raw package. Right. It's interesting because you
at least pluck a couple holes, like you find a center,
you also get a two way wing. I want to say,
I want to be optimistic about Jade McDaniels and call
him a two way wing because.
Speaker 1: You know, for just because the offense comes and goes, that's.
Speaker 2: The thing, right that the offense was always like the
sticking point. That was the thing where that wasn't there
all the time. So I really struggled looking at him
as honestly, I didn't even look at him as a
good contract. Now that the con the offense is coming along,
I'm more inclined to think, oh, he's an asset. So
if if the sun stand up with like a top
four of book beal go bear McDaniels. I mean, that's
not it, Greaches. There's like a pathway to success. But
you also have to ask yourself the big question like
what level of success, Like is this a team that's
gonna beat the Thunder? Is this a team that's gonna
beat the Nuggets? I don't know. That. The answer to that,
I don't know, Like, hell, Memphis, you can throw Memphis
into that equation next year too, I guess. So it
really boils down to what do you think the top
potential is in a Kevin Durant return? That's realistic. Like
that's why I love the ad I thing because at
least you can see the intraplay between book and ad.
But let's just be real about this. The biggest issue
is that you have like fifty million dollars the books
for Bradley Beal, who's just not a fifty million dollar
player anymore. You're not getting full bang for the buck.
The positional overlap between him and book is real, Like
I don't know why people try to minimize that during
the trade, Like, oh, it's fine, interchangeable. Not really, no,
not at all actually, So I mean, he's the guy
who needs to move, but that's just not in the
cards whatsoever. So like you have to find ways around
the margin. I don't know the answer to that. So
I hear you on your number three the Suns in
terms of like blowing it up, that is definitely one option.
Speaker 1: Over under on the number from let's say Katie Devin
Booker Royce, ONEO and Grayson Now, and I'll set the
over under at one and a half of those players
being traded this summer. You're taking the over the under over.
It should be the over because they should blow it up.
It's time has just start a new who's your team
more well?
Speaker 2: I mean it's right there on the screen, the Philadelphia
seventy six ers. Not sure how you go about doing that, though,
because unless there's a team out there that's basically willing
to say, okay, sure, we'll roll the dice on Joel
Embiide will not give up a damn thing outside of
like salary relief, but like, let's try. I just don't
see a clean pathway for this team to actually get
him and Paul George off the roster. But if that
option is out there, I wouldn't hate doing it because
you have Tyrese Maxey, who look, I'm gonna say something,
You're gonna disagree. Fans of the program and fans of
the NBA are going to disagree as well. I think
because of the continuous leaps we see from Tyrese Maxey,
we can't rule it out that he will find himself
in the MVP conversation within the next couple of years,
assuming of course the team is better. But like, he's
that level of talent in my opinion, so it would
be just such a shame to see that his prime
years get wasted.
Speaker 1: If you sign years he's going in the year, what
are they going to be? A year of six? Yeah,
that's close to his prime fair enough? Fair enough?
Speaker 2: Come on, he's like twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's I know, he's on his new deal. I'm just
like what I'm trying to back. It feels like he
kind of just anecdotally just entered the NBA.
Speaker 2: But you know what that is, that's the Covid effect
because I felt the same way. Remember when during the
Covid years, it felt like the NBA had three seasons
on top of each other.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's gotta bit. Yeah, you're right, because there's
non existent.
Speaker 2: Exactly it was. It went over like a month. It's
just like it was ridiculous. So and Tyreee was just
one of those players stuck in that. But like, hey,
to me, is you just gotta hang on to him
and try to build something around him. Quentin Grimes is
blowing up. I know, it's March basketball, but he's I'm
a big fan of his. I think he's legit.
Speaker 1: I don't know what there's probably a middle ground. But
if you're hitting like this number of unassisted baskets for
like this long, like there's okay, there's something there that
we can only say that.
Speaker 2: And Jared McCain, I mean, look, I know he got
injured after what twenty eight games something all of those lines,
but he was awesome, Like there's a score in there.
The thing to me is, what can you even get
for EmpId and Paul George? Like would you be willing
like if two teams came up and said, look, we'll
take them off your hands, like for free, be that
traded into you know, well, no team really has cap space,
but like an expiring expirings or whatever, like, would you
be willing to salary dump those guys?
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't. I'm still maybe I'm just like too
married to the idea of these three or still think
that it's sort of a situation similar to Zion, where
it's like you just hold on to Embiid until you
get that one season where he's healthy enough you get
lightning in a bottle, Right, But my follow up question,
or I guess proposal would be, how does this even
your impression of them blowing it up? Change? Does it
make if they keep their pick, which is top six
protected or do they even need to get into the
like even looking at this from there the real life
organizational perspective, how hog does their pick so they need
to retain it? He's being the top six obviously, how
high does their pick need to be the Is that
high enough if it's number six, or just need to
be top three top four to them for them to
actually just need to be Cooper Flag or Ace Bailey
for them to even consider going that route.
Speaker 2: So I do think it needs to be top three
because that's just my read on this, and draft experts
can disagree and they probably be right. But I see
it pretty clearly as Flag, Harper, Bailey as the top three,
and then there's a slight drop off from there, but
there is a drop off. Nonetheless, I think if you
end up with in the top three and you can
get one of those guys in particular Flag and Harper,
who I think are, it's almost like I want to say,
there's actually a drop off head of the first two.
But Bailey is sort of a little bit of his
zones here. If you get one of those guys, yeah,
I think you're like way more inclined to say, okay,
new start. That's like this, this is the resetting of
the clock.
Speaker 1: The thing that's weird there though, is so I mean,
it depends on where you are. So if it's Cooper
Flag or if it's Ace Bailey positionally kind of whatever.
But if you wind up with Dylan Harper and then
you have Jared McCain and Tyrese Maxie and Quenton Crimes,
that's a really small like nucleoso off which to work.
Now you're early on in the process. I'm also wondering though, like,
so they still owe a pick to Brooklyn, right, so
I think it's broke. It is Brooklyn, like like that's
going to impact their view of whether they would blow
it up or not, which is maybe why I'm not
yet twenty twenty seven is going to Brooklyn, right, And
then like also there's that OKAC obligation too, like if
you like, doesn't that make it tougher? So if you
keep your pick this year, that pick just rolls over
to twenty twenty six and twenty seven as top four protected.
Are you just sort of the mind that like, and
in my head, I'm sort of just like, well, you
might as well be as good as good as you
can be until all your pick obligations have expired. Are
you just sort of thinking this is a rip the
band aid off situation?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Within beat them Pole George, Absolutely, because I do
think that Max see, outside of a few nicks and
next year, I think he's been primarily healthy, right, Like,
He's not someone I'm worried about health wise whatsoever. H McCain. Yeah,
this was bad, but like there isn't an injury pattern
before this year at all. So again, not really concerned
about that, not concerned about crimes. So I think there
is a competitive trio in there if you somehow rich yourself.
It sounds so harsh, rich yourself of Joel and Beat
and Paul George, but you know what I mean, Like,
if you move those off from expiring contracts and just
go through that one year where everything is gonna suck
it a little bit because you have so much debt
weight on your books, all right, next year you come
into another year with cap space where you can sort
of say, Okay, what can we achieve with that, can
we get some players in, Can we sign someone? Can
we build the right role play like, can we build
the right team through role players? Next to Tyrese Maxi,
next to McCain, next to Grimes, next to potentially Cooper
Flag or Ace Bailey. I'm just I'm just saying I'm
not I don't want to close this door. Maybe it's
not really a blow it up. Maybe it's just retooling
process instead. I just consider blowing it up when you're
trading Joel Embid and Paul George.
Speaker 1: I think if you have those sort of two picks
out going still after this, so we're operating under the
assumption they keep their pick. If you have those sort
of two outgoing picks, it almost has to be a
retool And I think if you can get actual value
from Beider George, you are at the point where I
would believe that you should on George for sure. On
a bead, It's still I would need to see the
package it would be. Let's just say the Sixers land
in the top three, the Nets land in the top
three this year, or maybe the Nets don't even need
a land in the top three. But if you're Brooklyn,
would you consider taking Embiid or Paul George and that
Clippers pick in twenty twenty eight and then giving back
the Sixers is twenty twenty seven first rounder, if that like,
because that might make rebuilding even if the Sixers don't
keep their pick this year, if you want all your
picks back. So now, let's say that one to Okase
even conveys that wonder. Brooklyn's the only one you have
to worry about is their value and trying to use
that Clippers pick to get off one of these contracts
and get your own picks back. And from Brooklyn's perspective,
I don't know whether I would do this. So anyone
who's already getting mad, I want to make that clear.
You know, you don't control all your draft picks moving
forward like you have this year, next year and then
Houston's gonna control it at least as of now. So
and you're Brooklyn, like, do you maybe consider that? Like?
I like that might be if you're Philly, I think
if you can get one of your first round picks back,
and it makes going the blow up route more palatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, normally I'm against compounding mistakes by you know,
I thought I thought the Paul George contract was a mistake.
I made that position pretty clear on a previous episode
between you and I. So if you're have to if
you have to attach anything to that deal to get
off of it, that's that's that's a tough self. But
I hear you though.
Speaker 1: It's but it's weird how teams, because like the way
that the Nets treated their own picks in that trade
with Houston, It's like you're still getting your own pickback.
There's just ar when you have to spin that and
that's the justification to get back something you already technically had.
It's it's kind of a bummer, but it would free
you up to tank unencumbered.
Speaker 2: Yeah see, And that's the thing also, right, is it
would it be a tank when you have Tyrese Maxi
in his prime? Like can you really bottom out with him?
Speaker 1: Another good point.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know the answer to that either.
I mean, I just feel as though this current iteration
of the Sixers, it's it's too risky to continue. Like
I don't trust the health of Paul George. He was
also pretty abysmal this year. He's only going to get older.
His injury history was already ridiculous before he signed. We
know that em Beds. Look this. I hate the fact
that we're gonna have to talk about it be down
the line as a what if type of situation, But
we have to face facts. That's what we are. That's
what we are with him, Like how many times has
he been healthy for the playoffs? Once? Once?
Speaker 1: Is that was he? Even? Has he ever even been
healthy for the playoffs? It felt like sometimes he's played well,
but he's always been dealing with and everyone's dealing with
something with him, it just feels more notable.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. So I this is just time I don't
want to waste, like the Maxi era, And what I
would be fearful of is the Sixers basically saying, Okay,
we'll just stick with this script you run Tyreeese like
until he's like twenty seven, twenty eight, kind of wasting
some of the best years of him, just kind of
waiting out the end of the contracts, of him beating
Paul George. I just think that would be such an
egregious mistake. So that's why I'm basically saying blow it
up for the Sixers. And when I say blow it up,
I do mean.
Speaker 1: Him for my second team. I'm gonna pick the Dallas Mavericks,
another cliche pick, but the Dallas Mavericks don't seem like
they have an intention of blowing it up. Patrick Deamont
is still out there trying to spin the Luka Doncics
trade while undermining his own point. It's honestly, I'm not
gonna lie. It's impressive at this point like this, this
front office and ownership regime, when it comes to undermining
your own point, they are generational kudos to them. I
just if you were gonna trade Luka Doncic, that constitutes
blowing it up, and you just went the wrong direction
with it. Forget about whether they should have traded Luca.
They shouldn't have, but they were going to The return
you should have been focused on is one that was
more draft pick and prospect oriented, and that's more along
the lines of more stuff like the Lakers' first round
pick and more players like Max Christy not in over thirty,
Anthony Davis who is not especially durable himself, and I
kind of just the way you sort of hate like
we're gonna talk about and beat as of what if
I'm probably not gonna enjoy the discourse around Anthony Davis
for as long as he's in Dallas, it's gonna suck.
Like but at this point, now the Kyrie acl injury,
you gotta look at like just dealing every I guess
not dealing everybody, because Kyrie could be a free agent.
But what I'm really talking about when I say is
it starts with Anthony Davis, as you might as well
move him. See you could get for him. See we
could get for PJ. Washington and anyone who's really not
this year's first round pick, and Derek Lively, like everybody
else should just be available. That's the direction you should
be headed down. Without Lugadancic. They're not gonna do it.
I think it, like let's even say that they were
open to it, or like if they were open to it,
that they already would have gone that direction. I feel like, now,
isn't this an organization that you would bet is more
likely to throw good money after bad to continue trying
to justify the Lucadants trade rather than kind of copping
to it and saying all right, like yeah, we didn't
want Luca and we should have moved into a rebuild
a real rebuild while we actually moved him but went
this direction didn't pen out. Now we're gonna strip it
down and kind of start over. That's like, that's just
what they need to do because I think the only
way and they could still lose this trade. I've said
this on the podcast before. You need to win a
title within like one of the next two year years,
and now this year is shot. A good chunk of
next year should be show. Like everyone's saying Kyrie will
be back by October or something. He's over thirty years
say that.
Speaker 2: Who's saying that?
Speaker 1: Really? I couldn't say everyone. I've seen the time of
like he's gonna miss like twenty games or something, so
not October.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just trying to clarify it, Like, has
just one person said that, because that would be ridiculous.
Speaker 1: No, I've seen a bunch of stuff through my time.
I've said it, he's going to be out until November
or December, and I just feel like, isn't that. I
guess acl injuries aren't what they used to be and
he injured in in what March?
Speaker 2: Wait, when did Kyrie find a time machine and become
twenty two again?
Speaker 1: Let's I mean, I would say that he's even if
let's just say he comes back and beats whatever timeline,
like he's going to miss a minimum I would think
of between like not playing back to backs or maybe
having to deal with further absences. If he plays in
more than forty five games next year, I'll be pretty surprised.
And even if he misses the first twenty let's say
he misses the first twenty five, that's enough to fall
out of the Western Conference playoff raise, So next year
feels like it's shot as well. I mean, I guess
what you can say is, well, they're gonna have a
maybe they'll get a good draft pick this year, and
then they still have stuff to trade, like some of
their own distant first they have that Lakers pick. At
the same time, it's like, well, who are you getting?
I've seen them tied to Kevin Durant, and that's just,
you know, for a team that supposedly cares about the
future in the aftermath of Lukadancic, that feels counterintuitive to
kind of shrink your window.
Speaker 2: Even more that body fat percentage of Kevin Durant. Though
he's skinny Dan, that's what counts skinny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're like they just you know, no one
told Nico Harrison and Patrick Dumont that they do all
this photo shopping to these magazine covers and they have
an idyllic view of what the human body's supposed to
look like. I'm not even claiming that Lukadanciic is coming
to camp in great shape all the time or bit
in great shape. You have to bet on the twenty
five year old figuring it out when he just we
don't need to rehash this like we're talking about the
actual lucas.
Speaker 2: Okay, how many times per week do you think Nico
Harrison watches The Devil Worst product?
Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie, so I have no idea.
Speaker 2: It's all about the like the fashion industry and being
a size zeral more or less. Like is it Joe
as Sulo who watches Like the Town four times per week? Yeah,
that's what Ego Harrison watches the Divial Wears product.
Speaker 1: That's at this point. But this is where the lukadat
Just trade really matters. Here is the return that they
I guess we should say prioritized kind of signals that
they won't blow it up because this front office is not,
and ownership doesn't seem nearly self aware enough. I don't
know if they like this just this wasn't even disruption
for disruption's sake. It feels like they just truly believe
that they're the smartest people in the room. And that's
a really like that's a dangerous level of hubris, and
it means that they're not gonna blow it up. But
if I were running them, I absolutely would.
Speaker 2: But like, there's another thing we haven't even touched on, Like,
so here's the thing. I do think Kyrie's going to
pick up his player option because of the injury. But
Kyrie is also a guy who can do different things.
He has different mindset of things, Like it wouldn't shock
me if he perhaps opts out, And it's like, no,
I want to see what else is out there that
wouldn't shock me.
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was more likely now that he
would opt out and sign for multiple years at a
lower annual number to kind of lock into security post injury.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that might be a thing. Of course,
seems to want to make sure that he's playable, Like
that's a.
Speaker 1: No I met with Dallas. I thought that was the direction.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, now, okay, but like we don't know, Like
maybe Kyrie ops out and signs elsewhere, in which case
it wouldn't even be a blowout. It would just be
talent leaving for nothing.
Speaker 1: I would be pretty shocked if that happened. But yeah,
you're right that logistically that is on the table.
Speaker 2: But hey, you know what, at least we get a
year older Klay Thompson next Season's that can only be
a good thing, right, It's not like he dropped off
this year or anything like that didn't happen. He's only
gonna get a lot better next year, right.
Speaker 1: Matts fans him and Caleb Martin both probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, the thing that might force them to do it
is that if we've mentioned this too, if you're Anthony Davis,
you have to be looking at this situation, and I
would like, do you actually want to be here? Maybe
they're willing to extend you and so you want to
take the money and figure it out later. But I
would not want to be on this team if I
just the stigma attached because of the Lugadants trade, and
then next year feels like it'll kind of be a wash.
I mean, I guess you get to if you're fully
healthy as a team, you get to play power forward
next to Derek Lively, so that you have that going
for you. But beyond that, it just doesn't seem like
there's much here.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, it's a team that should definitely not
keep its current ideology for sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, what's another team that should blow it up? Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, Look right now, if your bright spot on the
year is the luck induced play of Josh Giddy, you're
in a bad shape. This is a team that has
needed to choose a direction for years. I don't even
think they have like a lot of bad players on
the rostered like that are necessary to move. I don't
think they have bad contracts whatsoever. Like this is a
team that just needs to pick a direction because whatever
the current iteration of the roster is completely direction less.
If they're going to go into this summer and pay
Josh Gitty for ay million dollars per year, then you
might as well just label the Bulls irrelevant for the
next half decade. So to me, blowing it up means
taking the vast majority of the roster and basically saying no, look,
we need to find them different homes. We need to
optimize draft pick returns. We need to optimize young player returns,
like this has to be a youth movement, like they
re signed or extended rather Lonzo who's now on a
very tradable contract, Booch. You know they failed to move
him at the trade headline. That was pretty That was
problematic to me because you know, when when you can't
trade a guy who's got the hot hand all year
and is clearly riding a wave, then you're not doing
a pretty good job. You probably can't get out of
the Patrick Williams contract as of right now, so he's
probably a mainstay for now. You can get out of
the Kevin Hurder deal. You can definitely get out of
the Set Calls deal because he's played better since becoming
a Bull. They failed miserably and not trading Kobe White
at the trade headline, But they can trade him during
and they should trade him during the offseason because they
can't extend him due to the one h and forty
percent rule. He's gonna be an unrestricted free agent in
twenty twenty six. And let's be real, what possible cause
could he have to return to Chicago, Like why would
he want to return to this mess of a team
they give. If they offered that, that'd be problematic for
a whole different set of reasons. Right, So, like there's
nothing that this team that there's nothing to be excited
about for this team outside of like Mattas Busilas and
I'm not like, you know, penciling him in as a
future All Star. He's good, but like, let's see, So
when I say blow up, I don't mean like two
or three pieces like with the with the sixers. I'm
talking about like roster wide. You should go into next
season maybe having like three of these guys on the roster.
That's it. Just pick a direction, make sure you're like
primarily twenty five and under, preferably twenty three and under,
and start being serious about basketball. You freaking losers.
Speaker 1: I can't argue guess anything you said, other than to
provide the rebuke of they're not going to do that.
They should, but they're not going to do it.
Speaker 2: Hey, you started this by saying if we ran this team,
No I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm supporting your choice.
Speaker 2: Should you're better.
Speaker 1: What's more likely, okay, that the Sun's trade Devin Booker
this offseason, or the Bulls trade Kobe White. God, you
shouldn't even need to think about this.
Speaker 2: Is that the problem? That's the problem. Yeah, Look, look
I can sum it up in this way, like I
have a greater chance of dating Rihanna than the Bulls
actually realizing that they need to retool or rebuild. That's
where we are.
Speaker 1: Congrafts on your pending nuptials. I hope, uh, I hope
your actual wife doesn't have a problem when you start dating.
Speaker 2: If I'm pretty sure she'll be pretty psyched.
Speaker 1: Actually, finally, you're good for something, right. My final team
is the Sacramento Kings, which I think is pretty clearly
the most in so far as there is one controversial
team on my list. I liked Zach Levine's look in Sacramento.
I like the Jake Laaravia pickup. I still love Keegan Murray.
I don't have strong opinions on Devin Carter, like nothing
about what I knew him coming out of the draft
has changed now since he's been the NBA, he has
not played a ton and was dealing with the shoulder
injury to start the year. The thing, if you were
gonna trade dearon Fox, I think you should have been
going towards the rebuilding direction anyway, Now that there's just
murmurings around Domas Sabonis, is he happy or he wants
to reevaluate the situation over the summer. And then it
also seems pretty clearly that if de Aaron Fox is
telling the truth and that big name players in Sacramento
wanted Mike Brown fired, and de Aaron Fox wasn't one
of those big name players. Demartin Rosen was only added
last offseason. You think he went to the Kings wanting
Mike Brown to be fired. I don't think if that factored.
If Domas Sobonis's relationship with Mike Brown factored in to
the Kings's decision making there at all, that makes me
feel even worse about the Kings's decision makers. I think
Demonte Sibona is a great player. He is not someone
that you should give clart blanche to determine your coaching
situation regardless. Let's say you don't have to move. So
let's say he's happy there and you have levine, what
is the path forward for this team to actually reach
the next level and avoid being trapped in the middle
of the Western Conference. I think they're like two like
blockbuster type players short still and that's you need. We've
talked about a floor general for them on the previous
podcast that.
Speaker 2: Jones the answer, Dan, well, we'll fix everything.
Speaker 1: If you think that they're like a Tias Jones away
from tying stuff together, then we can. Phoenix fans might
disagree with that take a little bit, but I just
think they're too far away and that there's now too
much noise to believe that you can make anything other
than we're gonna contend for spots seven through ten in
the West moving forward, maybe over the course of a year,
but you should as an organization. I'm not there's more
to your competitive existence than winning a title, but you
need to have a pathway to actually entering fringe contention,
and right now the things just they aren't there. Like
the defense is now normalized since the darn Fox trade.
There they're seventeenth. I think they're nine and seven overall
since the trade. They I just I'm I look at
this roster. There's a lot of players I like individually
and they can fit together. But I think that they
still kind of need like two different types of bigger
name players, or shouldn't say bigger name but like really
high impact players where I might argue that they need
at least one closing lineup member and then like a
sixth best player or something, and that's just They're just
it's you're in a weird spot and you still have
that pick going to Atlanta. Is it going to convey
this year's top twelve protected? Is it gonna leak into
next year? This is just a team that despite having
good players and despite like if I told you they
were six in the West next year, you probably wouldn't
bat too much of an eye, but like, you need
to have higher aspirations than that, and I don't see
a pathway to them getting there.
Speaker 2: What can they realistically get for Demartow Robson.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know. I just when you look at
his age, the contract is fine, but like you're not
getting a first round pick for Demarta Roseen.
Speaker 2: I think, sorry, I should I should have clified I
mean player like like, because if we assume they want
to stick with Levigne and Sibonis, and let's assume that
Sibonis gets his answerous about the direction of the franchise
and he's satisfied, and like he redevotes himself to the team,
Like player wise, who can you get for Demarth de Rosen,
who's a better fit with emphasis unfit not salent, Like
his production is surprisingly good for someone his age.
Speaker 1: For sure, I think he's a good player. I think
the problem with him or even I would say even
Monk is you need to attach stuff to them to
get what I would think is a better fitting player.
But like, if you're moving to Marta Rosen, some names
that I think you should target, I mean Kobe White, like,
strike another deal with the balls. You're gonna have to
include pick equity, they're sure, But Kobe White would be
I mean he's not even the best because he's not
like a floor general type of guy you could you
look at. He'll be too expensive and free agency and
he's making so much money. But Fred Van Fleet would
have been a good fit. So like, but that's the
type of player that or you need to go sort
of the like a mirror image of Keegan Murray type
of like someone else just on the wings who could
play on the front line with Keegan Murray and so
like that name would be And I'm not even the
problem here is I could name those players, but the
team that has them still is gonna want need to
want DeMar de Rosen, and that's what also makes it
tricky there. But like the two areas of focus would
be like a floor general spot, someone who gives you
more playmaking versatility and quality than a Monk or even
a de Rozan or Levigne. And then just I would
still skew towards like a three four. Someone who might
be like a four or five and can play next
to the bonus might be interesting there, but I still
think more of like a three four would.
Speaker 2: Do you have any confidence that launch a Ball could
return to like some of you know how he looked
prior to his injury.
Speaker 1: I feel I'm not a medical expert, so I don't
want to say no, but like him having unprecedented surgery
basically and like just knee problems, it's even if he's available,
is he ever going to be more than a twenty
minutes per game guy consistently?
Speaker 2: That's my concern as well, because like if it was
if it was pre injury Lonzo Ball, that would be
like the perfect addition to that team, like just perfect.
Speaker 1: And he's he's been at but he's only played in
seven games since February first, he's been over twenty five minutes.
So if you were telling me you can get twenty
seven minutes a game from Lonzo Ball for sixty games
a year, sure that that would be a very.
Speaker 2: Interesting bit, especially at ten million a year, right, I
mean that.
Speaker 1: Would be So what about what about LaMelo Ball. Let's
really test the bat, let's really fuck with their defense
and give him LaMelo ball and the bonus together and Levine.
Speaker 2: So it would be Levine Ball's the bonus as your.
Speaker 1: I feel like we had this conversation that we mentioned
John Morant. I feel like we're this is Dejavrew with
the podcast. But if I'm the Kings, my whole point
is I'm not going like I don't view a lot
of the guys that we were just talking about as gettable,
And then I'm wondering how much you need to give
up to even get them. So what are you left with?
That's why I just don't see the path to the
Kings entering the upper echelon of the West anymore. I
think that it was more accessible to them had they
just kept the Aaron Fox maybe figured it out over
the offseason or in the first place you've mentioned this,
you should have went after like you should have just
gone after Zach Lavine instead of Demarta Rosen and picked
up him in the first place, regardless if we were
always going to get here with the Daron Fox front.
I don't understand why you weren't prioritizing the bigger picture.
Maybe you've viewed it as a lack of leverage because
he wanted to go to San Antonio. Okay, fine, that
situation's over. I would still like to see them take
more of a gradual path forward over the summer.
Speaker 2: But can we also talk about the elephant in the
room that I think is really not being talked about enough.
There was a lot of hope that Kegan Murray would
turn into, you know, one of the better scores at
the forward petition. That was basically the way he was
built coming into the draft. I think he had a
productive rugue season. I think offensively, Yeah, he took some
steps forward some steps back in his sophomore year, but
you kind of saw the path laid out for him.
You were like, oh, okay, you can see him like
take those gradual steps up towards becoming you know, an
offensive force. This year he actually became their best perimeter defender.
He's improved from.
Speaker 1: Me, I think I would counter by saying he was
that last year as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he took a step up this year. Honestly,
I think we're seeing an even better version of it.
I do agree he got better last year. I think
last year that was when expectations started arriving, because he
improved both sides of the ball. But I think this
year the defensive improvements have been the best we've ever
seen from him. The offense has just lacked. He still
doesn't get to the line. The three ball has become
grotesquely and consistent, the volume missed down. Overall, It's like
if he was the guy he was last year with
what we were thinking of in terms of improvement this year,
I think we have an entirely different outlook on this team.
Like maybe now that Fox is gone and maybe going
through a full training camp, maybe this is what it
takes next year coming into the season for Keegans and
basically say, oh, year four, now it can actually just
get up shots. I can play within the flow of
the offense. I can do a B and C whatever.
But the fact that he hasn't hit that this year
is a huge disappointment.
Speaker 1: I think it can be disappointing, but how much of
that can you put on him when this is someone
who they just don't use in that manner offensively, Like
the three ball stuff for sure, like that's been kind
of noisy, But this is someone who has never ranked
higher than the fortieth percentile in dribbles per touch. His
touches per seventy five possessions are down this year. It
feels like they've just sort of enveloped him in this
pecking order that is not conducive to him actually growing
too much as an offensive player.
Speaker 2: No, I definitely, I do think the Kings have a
stake in this, but I think it's overall disappointing because
we're also seeing a version of Keikan now who's sassitating
the hell out of like everything. He'll get the ball
in the wing with very little like defensive attachment, and
instead of just pulling the trigger or getting into a drive,
he's like looking serving like, oh where can I find
Domas Like it's yeah, you're right, organizationally, it's a problem,
But I also think he has to be more aggressive. Yeah,
and I hate that word because it's it's thrown around
all the time, but like he has to be more
determined in his mindset as well, Like it's a joint thing,
Like maybe next year, if they stick with him him,
maybe that's the thing they talk about over the course
of summer. Maybe that's the thing they talk about during
a training camp, Like, Hey, this is a different Kings team,
no garon Fox anymore. This is your time to shine.
I actually hope it because it's I believe in his talent,
and I've been very weirded out by how they've utilized.
Speaker 1: Who is your final team.
Speaker 2: Well, you have them on the screen and it's the
Pels And this is this is a rough This is
a rough one because Sion has played so much better
recently and it's very evident that he's down in wait
and he looks great. Like I think, honestly, just as
a big person myself, I've always hated the fat jokes
and everything, Like, I've always been more focused on, you know,
the skill set, the talent and whatnot. And then what
has bothered me has been two things. It's been his
general lack of availability, obviously, but it's also been just
how difficult he is to build around. He is such
a unique player, to the point where I've genuinely struggled
to find a player that resembles him in the NBA history.
The closest I've come. And this is tiring because that
was the pre draft comp as well. That's Charles Barkley.
That is the guy who he resembles most, just in
terms of archetype. Like it's so difficult for David Griffin
and any other GM out there to take an undersized
four who doesn't shoot the three ball at a high rate,
who needs the ball in his hands to be productive,
who you can sort of kind of run the offense through,
but where you still need like a predominant ball handler,
and then he doesn't act as a floor spacing threat
to that ball handler. You can't really have a center
who's just a rim runner anymore, Like you would have
to tailor the entire roster around him. And then when
you do, he gives you fifty games per year. If
that so, it's like, I'm just of that mindset now
that given how he's producing at the current rate, given
how he's right now presumably raising his own stock, Yeah,
now is the time to strike. That's my logic, because
the contract he'saw on is pretty brilliant, Like there are
a lot of outs in that deal as well, so
he should be fairly high in terms of like value
trade value wise. And so again just the two log
didn't read version here, love scion, love what he gives.
You don't trust the ability to build around, to build
a team around him due to the archetype that he is.
So he's a major point in the blow up. And
then the player on the picture right alongside him, CJ
McCollum obviously you know, like it's time, it's time to
find something else. Just the Pels need to get into
a different era.
Speaker 1: I would just be curious what you need I want.
I think a lot hinges on where do they land
in the draft lotteries for them specifically, right it probably,
I guess is more palatable. They would definitely be tempting
to pair him with Cooper Flag. It was probably more
palatable if you just end in if you get a
top three pick to say, okay, let's start over. But
I think you know, some of the issues for them
is I'm they've already tried to move SAJ McCollum and couldn't.
I'm sure it becomes easier now, it'll be an expiring contract,
and it is a little bit cheaper. But with Zion
it's sort of you're not getting rid of him because
you have outs in his contract, right, You're not getting
rid of him for just getting rid of him. So
what's the type of offer that you would need as
the Pelicans? I mean we're talking prospect and pick equity.
So is it the equivalent of three first? Does two first?
Get it done? For you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What are you looking at as the Pels?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy you asked me that because I
have something for you and this is this is out there.
I'm not going to shy away from that. But you
are the perfect guy to pitch out their concepts too.
So we know that they've struggled in Washington to like
get a foothold. They want to rebuild, but they also
like they one of the most irrelevant teams in the league,
if not the most irrelevant team. They know it. They
are tired of it. If they win the lottery, if
you're the you know where I'm going here? If do
the Wizards? Do you entertain that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 1: The Wizards are going through a methodical rebuild at this point,
you like, I get they might be irrelevant, like to
the national just NBA public, but I think that at
this point it's by design and they're expecting it. They
would like if those were the bulls, I could see
them short circuiting there. There's no way if you're Washington
and you give up. You can't even give up a
top three pick for design. That would make no sense
to me.
Speaker 2: I would agree with you, agreed with you. Before the
Luca trade two, I would have said no, absolutely not.
Now I'm like up is down, right is left? I
have no fucking idea of like where trade values lie anymore.
I have no idea how teams are thinking internally, but like,
at least it's on some level, it would be interesting.
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting. I mean, I'd like to see Ballall
and Zion and Sar play together objectively, but it can't
come at the expense, Like if it was the tenth
pick in you're Washington, Okay, maybe you have a conversation
about rolling the dice. Even then, his availability makes that
tough for a team that's not on the precipice of
even fringe contention. I would think, if you're trying to
find a team.
Speaker 2: What would make sense like, if you're taking the draft
pick route, like what is how high is too high
to pivot off of that draft pick for Sian Williamson?
Speaker 1: How high is too high? I probably haven't done enough
digging into this draftcat class yet to answer that, but
I'm thinking, just like the ballpark it with a pick. Yeah, honestly,
I don't think that you could. Well, you have to
look at the teams who are kind of involved there too,
because like the if you're a team like the Sixers,
you can justify giving up the seventh pick for they
won't have the seventh pick. But just if that's the
timeline horizon, your face sing, right, I don't know, I'm
I'm I will say I'm not giving up a top
five pick for Zion Williamson. I just can't. I think
he is potentially one of the ten best players in
the NBA when he's healthy, yep. But he's never been
nearly healthy or available enough for you to bank that
kind of pick equity in him.
Speaker 2: Now, if you're the Spurs and you're at tenant and
seventeen as sorry, ten and sixteen as they are right now,
and if that's where they land to, is that enough
for New Orleans, you'll have to add something. Contractually, You'll
probably have to add.
Speaker 1: Like Harrison Barnes or somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Calton Johnson or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might consider that if I'm the spar I mean,
their spacing would just be with Steph Castle and Fox,
and Zion might get a little Yankee.
Speaker 2: At the best center possibly to pair around him, though
right right, that is the center to pair with him.
Speaker 1: Though, I am curious, from New Orleans' perspective, do you
want three picks in this year's draft for Zion Williams.
Wouldn't you rather have a pick that's later out? So
is there a third team that's giving you cut? Like
are you sending maybe a tenth pick somewhere for distant picks?
I don't know, But ten and seventeen in a vacuum
is a value. Feels like it would at least warrant
a discussion because for the type of player Zion is, no,
that's not enough, but for how available he has not been,
I think you have to at least talk about it
if if it's the ten and seventeen equivalent.
Speaker 2: But you did raise something interesting that I hadn't thought
about when you set the Bulls because like if they
they're currently slotted to draft eight, if that's where they
end up, you're actually right, that's a team that would
absolutely tuck themselves into it, like immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they absolutely would. I don't I'm curious,
like what they probably include other stuff because if New Orleans,
if you're getting eight and then let's just say you
have four or something, So if you're getting eight on
top of that, like I think you probably do it.
I don't know. This is the Zion discussions, And I
even thought about the Blazers because they could kind of
wind up in sort of the same draft area. And
what if you're getting off Jeremy Like if you're and
if you're New Orleans and you're trading Zion, you're probably
more willing to take back a contract like Jeremy Grant, right,
just because you're not on any sort of immediate window. Yeah,
so that might be part of the appeal for another team,
Like the Bulls will be an example, because they have
Patrick Williams. So if like you were able to get
off Patrick Williams giving up your top seven pick, or again,
if you're trading Grant and number seven or eight, now
again if I was running Portland. It feels a little
too early to do something like that. But the defense
that you've played this year and you just insert Zion
into there, your floor spacing is already kind of bunk.
He's already played in like Whacker floor spacing setups. Maybe
you have Zion and Scoot and Shade and Sharp and
Denny Avdia and Donovan Klingen. I could get on board
with the Blazers do like if there was a team
I'm not. If there was a team that I could
advocate this for, it would be Portland because I feel
like they're gonna be low enough in the lottery order,
like still in the mid end where it's okay, you're
not giving up any your core players, you're not giving
up a top five pick. Maybe take a look at it.
And if you're getting off Jeremy Grant's deal in the process,
that's another benefit.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Miami would be interesting too, because again
I've said this repeatedly, but kalil Ware was the guy
I would like pair with Sion as well, like the
inside outside thread, like the are.
Speaker 1: You playing where Bam and zihunt together?
Speaker 2: No? And probably yeah, So what is the deal for
Sion if you're shipping him to Miami, Like, what is
the deal there? I don't even know? Is that BAM
probably not right?
Speaker 1: No, there's there's no Wayam's way more durable.
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, oh no, no, not of course he is.
I'm just wondering, like, what the hell the deal is
because if Sion gets there, the best fifth with him
would be ware and not BAM up front like.
Speaker 1: This because where where it can stretch. But like, Zion's
played with bigs who can't base before, so we could
play with BAM.
Speaker 2: But we haven't seen like the right amount of success
though with those guys when they're inside.
Speaker 1: But none of them have ever been They've all been
for the most part. I mean Steven Adams wasn't. But no,
none of them have even been in the the same
area code as BAM.
Speaker 2: Defensively, that's true, very very true. Yes, But the floor
stretching offensively I think is such a necessity in his
front court partner.
Speaker 1: This is kind of there's like, what is the perfect
Zion Williams and trade destination? I don't think we've come
up with it as the problem. So if you're in
New Orleans, it's I like, so to look at it
this way, if you're New Orleans, I would say I
need at least the equivalent of like two real first
round picks to even think about it. And I'm probably
asking for more the of teams that I think would
actually do that. Like, honestly, I might be talking myself
into Portland in the moment. I could see the Bulls
doing it, but they can't write like, there's no way
they'll do it. Maybe they would, Bulls.
Speaker 2: They look, here's the thing. They were like, Oh, you
want to rope us into this deal San Antonio, Sacramento.
Oh you want to fleece the fuck out of us
during trade deadline? Here you go, guys. All we ask
is our twenty twenty five pickback, which we could be
so bad anyway that we didn't even need to negotiate for,
and hey, let's give you our best player while we're
at it. And you were saying the way the Bulls would.
Speaker 1: Do it, well, I'm just think I guess they would
do I don't know. I guess I'm the come on,
I guess I'm giving them. They assigned so much value
to having their own pick this year and moving forward,
maybe I'm giving them too much of the benefit of
the doubt. That's what you're saying is totally fair. Would No,
I'm just trying, like Charlotte's not gonna give up this year. Pick.
This front office has not operated that impulsively. Zion next
to Lamela would be fun, but there's no way they're
giving him that pick.
Speaker 2: No, But I'm actually I'm actually digging your your your
Portland idea. I don't hate that because there's like, if
you if you retain Anthrey Simons, you've got a real
floor stretcher. Scoot is getting on like he's really he's
turning on the jets now he's he seems like he's
becoming a thing. And how could you present Portland as
an alternative? And not mentioned Tomani Kamara? youI fall people?
How dare you?
Speaker 1: Oh? I apologize? Play him at the five sometimes like
him and Zion in the front court when Clington's not
on the floor there. Honestly, you imagine some of the
vicious dunks we'd be seeing too with Shane Sharp and
Zion on the same theme.
Speaker 2: Look, if Donovan Klingon's three point shot is like a
thing and we know that internally that was one of
the things that they thought he would be able to add.
We saw that during like they were very open, by
the way about their entire pre drafts process, and they
spoke about him like on record like yeah, we think
he's got the ability to take and make threes within
a very short timeframe.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, stuff like that is just and I'm I
want to make it clear that I've made this mistake.
And the last player I ever fully believed it on
was I remember pre draft Willie cauley Stein. Everyone was
talking about him as an eventual floor spacer. They showed
videos of him hitting threes. I will believe it when
I like the Brook Lopez career arc is just basically
one of one at this point.
Speaker 2: No, but so I agree with that. I agree with that,
But I do think they have some pretty decent people
in Portland to actually, you know, look at the talent
level of stuff and it's not like Donovan Klington hasn't
hit threes this year, Like, yes, it's low volume. Yes,
the efficiency isn't great.
Speaker 1: What is he a point four attempts per game or something?
Isn't even that high on a.
Speaker 2: Six attempts under eight?
Speaker 1: Who do you trust is a floor spaceer more moving forward.
Donovan Klingon or Zach Edy.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 1: That's it's Zach Edy for me. We've just maybe that's
because we've seen it more this year. Is really what
it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, but but he's also left wide wide open.
Speaker 1: I don't taking contested escape cripple threes.
Speaker 2: All right, that's fair, but I know so okay, So
what it comes down to the me is I trust
Clingon's release a little bit more, but I do hear
you like Edi seems to be more reliable and also
he definitely surprised all of us by being able to
hit it at that rate. That's a really good question
that I don't know if I have an answer for.
Speaker 1: So we've settled on to Portland would be our favorite.
I can't think of their teams where he'd be a
good fit. They would just never trade for him because
I can't really think of another one like that. Minnesota
would be weird.
Speaker 2: Julius Randall. It's the same saying.
Speaker 1: Right, undefeated and Julius Randall's what last ten games? I think?
Speaker 2: So to look, man, that's uh, that's a thing that's happening, right, now,
which is surprising to me.
Speaker 1: Atlanta they have Jalen Johnson. That doesn't make a ton
of sense at all. They anymore of a five. I mean,
Brooklyn would be fun, but just like that is just
what are you giving up? You're not giving up your
first round picks, and you're not giving up other teams
first round picks. But Brooklyn would be fun. Him under
Jordi Fernandez would be fun as Hell's true.
Speaker 2: You'd need a different center than Nick Claxon, though, because
you need someone who can actually.
Speaker 1: I thought briefly, but again, I just don't think they're
a team that would give a ton of equity for him.
Detroit could be sort of interesting. It's like, oh, we're
gonna get our number two, but it's gonna come in
the form of Zion. You have the Tobias Harris salary,
but it's the Jalen of it all. You can play
him next to Isaiah Stewart. Yeah, are you giving up? Like,
what are you giving up? Though you're not You're not
even gonna have this?
Speaker 2: Well, do you try to allow Stewart to take threes? Again?
Speaker 1: I think if Zion's there, well maybe you don't have to,
But that maybe they do. But I mean, like defensively,
he's basically a perfect fit next to Zion.
Speaker 2: I agree. Did we just spend an hour on one question?
Speaker 1: We did? Shout up, shout out to.
Speaker 2: Us and shout out to Nutty.
Speaker 1: That was you know, that was a fantastic question. I
think that was a good do you have of the
teams that we mentioned, who do you think is the
most likely to of the six teams that we mentioned
to blow it up? It feels like Phoenix, right, Yeah, well,
I mean.
Speaker 2: I think feeling Phoenix want to go into like a
retooling process like that's that. I love the fact that
it was framed like this because I could also see
a scenario we're in none of the six teams actually
going to.
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible. Yeah, shout out to Nutter because
you just I think, created your own podcast. We're gonna
make the midstream decision to Part one of the mail
bag is should these NBA teams blow it up? Let
us know which of these six you think should blow
it up? Would you nominate someone else? And we'll be
back though in a couple of days with Part two
of the mail Bag, which will include many more questions.
Thank you all your anymore questions, it'll be an actual
mail bag more until next time? Are you able just
to tell our listeners where they could find you and
all the fantastic work that you do.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you can find me over at blue Sky,
at MSJ NBA. Uh, you can find me at Yahoo Sports.
You can find me at Forbes, you can find me
on the NBA podcast, and you can find me on
the Danish buzzer beater if you speak Danish, playing chains.
Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always.
Speaker 2: About one, oh, you do not get to skip your listen, sir.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know if this was going to
be a planned Oh nihla sucks.
Speaker 2: You know what that is? Like your get up Jill
free card now, because you say it so well, I'm
always impressed, you're.
Speaker 1: And wait, cas get hat casquet yep, let's get close.
And what was what was last episode's word?
Speaker 2: Damn it? That was? That was skate spoon?
Speaker 1: Skate spoon okay, ye past the skate the spoon, all right,
all right, what's this? Oh? I know I know what
the item is, like, I know what the word's going
to be, but I don't know the Danish word for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because I wasn't sure what you call this
in English. But you you set a yardstick or.
Speaker 1: A meter stick, it'ld be one or the other, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Thomas stuck, Thomas stuck. That was very good. Actually,
I thought I would throw you a curple on this one.
Speaker 1: It in English, it kind of sounds like tongue is stuck,
so just like esctually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just with the double mums.
Speaker 1: Stuck, Thomas stuck. I don't think anyone here ever uses
the word yardstick or meter stick though the probably, but
I at least know it.
Speaker 2: And I know what's inch, which is the word tumut.
It's like inch, which we don't even like use inches.
We use the metric system.
Speaker 1: This is we know. Nila sucks is my favorite one
to say. Yeah, I think Thomas suck is my second
favorite one to say. Suck stuck, Thomas duck.
Speaker 2: I don't want to different things.
Speaker 1: Until next time. And as always, I think we shout
out to the one, the only, the player who if
he was on your team, you would never need to
blow it up because he is the past, present, and
future all in one, mister Frank Pila.
Speaker 2: And he's also as tall as a Thomas Duck exactly