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<v Speaker 1>Katie Faust is president and founder of Them before Us.

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<v Speaker 1>So who's the them? Them as kids? Who's the US?

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<v Speaker 1>Parents and older people. She is a international speaker and

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<v Speaker 1>author multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is her third book. She's been to the UN

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<v Speaker 1>She's confronted them about what they're doing to parental rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Her new book is about pro child politics. Katie Faust

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<v Speaker 1>joins us now on The Todd Herman Show. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>God Almighty for making it possible.

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<v Speaker 2>The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by

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<v Speaker 2>big pharma, technocrarats and tyrants everywhere. Now from the high

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<v Speaker 2>mountains of Free America, here's the Emerald City exile Cod Herman.

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<v Speaker 1>Today is a day the Lord has made, and these

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<v Speaker 1>are the times which God has decided we shall live.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's always a thrill to have with me my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am honored to call her friend Katie Faust. Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the Todterman Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the problem is that all of this makes a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of sense if you're living in the land of ideology.

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<v Speaker 3>If you never touch grass, as the kids say, then

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<v Speaker 3>sure all of this looks really really good. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you have entire you know, sectors of academia. There is

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<v Speaker 3>saying that children need to be liberated. We needed children's

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<v Speaker 3>liberation movement, But of course who are they going to

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<v Speaker 3>be liberated from. It's the parents, right they see this

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<v Speaker 3>because sure there's incidents where kids are controlled or abused

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes by parents. The problem is that in this world

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<v Speaker 3>of reality that we're actually living in, parents are the

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<v Speaker 3>most connected to, invested in, and protective of kids. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to liberate children from their parents, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't liberate them from oppression and control and abuse. You

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<v Speaker 3>simply transfer the abuse and the control, and very very

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<v Speaker 3>often you know that matrix of genuine oppression to another

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<v Speaker 3>entity that maybe doesn't even know the kid's name and

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<v Speaker 3>certainly was not there when they were waking up at

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<v Speaker 3>four in the morning with a fever and needing you know,

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<v Speaker 3>comfort and care. So this whole thing just gets both

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<v Speaker 3>children and parents wrong. And it can come from people

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<v Speaker 3>that are supposedly well meaning. It's just they're not in

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<v Speaker 3>contact with reality at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And that's that's a piece I wanted to focus down.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is really really important. I can remember

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<v Speaker 1>having a conversation with a college professor before I dropped

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<v Speaker 1>out of college and he'd asked us to present our fantasy,

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<v Speaker 1>uh scenario for society. Okay, his name is Rudy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really nice guy, super nice guy. Really liked him. He

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of making an impression on me. And one

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<v Speaker 1>day I asked him, Hey, well, Rudy, you've never shared yours.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you had to write all these papers. What's yours?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, my ultimate goal for society, or

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<v Speaker 1>my fantasist society, is everybody would pay be paid the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. I don't know what you did, so you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a surgeon would be the pa paid the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing as someone who you know, cleans up after

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<v Speaker 1>the surgeon. And I sat there dumbfounded, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>but then we have too many people who are let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>tearing tickets at movie theaters, because what do you mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I go, If I'm paid the same money to stand

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<v Speaker 1>there and get free movies and tear a piece of paper,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'd pursue what it would take to

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<v Speaker 1>become a surgeon. And he got very very offended at me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd pierced that veil, that that that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>living in theory veil, but if I look at at

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Waltz, or I look at a Cammy Harris, or

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<v Speaker 1>I look at a Gavin Newsom, or I look at

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<v Speaker 1>a Jay Insley. Those people are mendacious and there's great

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<v Speaker 1>evil done through them. But when you're sitting on a

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<v Speaker 1>panel with an academic and they present this to you,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be I don't want to make

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<v Speaker 1>this across the board. But do you get any sense

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<v Speaker 1>at all that they have any empathy for parents? And

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<v Speaker 1>you no?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the thing, Like, it's not just the panelists, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it is really the elites that are I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can like make fun of all you want of

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<v Speaker 3>Jdvance's you know, child as cat ladies like Quip, but

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<v Speaker 3>I know that like at the G eight summit a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago, you looked at all the different

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<v Speaker 3>world leaders, especially across Europe, and hardly any of them

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<v Speaker 3>had children. I mean, we really are in a place

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<v Speaker 3>where these people aren't even touching grass when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to their own front yard with their own children, and

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<v Speaker 3>so they just don't have as many opportunities to actually

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<v Speaker 3>see what's the world really like. And then what happens

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<v Speaker 3>is when you actually have your own child, you go, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a second, nobody's going to touch this kid. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't have your own kids, and that is

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<v Speaker 3>the problem. We are largely merging into a society that

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<v Speaker 3>is free of marriage, and if you're free of marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>you're often free of children as well. But even the

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<v Speaker 3>people who aren't getting married often aren't having their own kids.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's very hard to understand how somebody could want

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<v Speaker 3>the best for their kids. When wouldn't it be easier

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<v Speaker 3>if the state just to say, I mean really, that's

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<v Speaker 3>where the problem is, is that the top policy leaders

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<v Speaker 3>that think they know better for kids than their own parents.

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<v Speaker 1>So well said, I read a fascinating statistic, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is that in big cities they're seeing a net decrease in.

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<v Speaker 2>Population.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that is outflow, but another part of

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<v Speaker 1>it is people are not having kids in the big cities,

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<v Speaker 1>and families are relocating to the suburbs or leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>blue states for the rehtor states. They're taking their kids

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<v Speaker 1>with them and having more kids. So it is creating

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<v Speaker 1>this environment, this bifurcation in the country, which is another

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<v Speaker 1>form of Balkanization. And I want to ask you about

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<v Speaker 1>that and I want to ask you about the why.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about the cup, but is there a why

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<v Speaker 1>beyond Oh, it seems like a good idea. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>a more obvious nefarious endgame? Talk with Katie Faust about this.

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<v Speaker 1>a very very dear friend of ours. We'll get Katie's answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll remind you something that you can do in your

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<v Speaker 1>with a whole bunch of adolescents. Lovely kids, love them,

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<v Speaker 1>this studio here. So Katie, with that is preface. You've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the same statistics that the cities are becoming these

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<v Speaker 1>childless places, and as they get that, they're getting more

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<v Speaker 1>and more political bulk. The suburbs are becoming the place

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<v Speaker 1>for families, and we're seeing again a Balkanization and a

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<v Speaker 1>splitting in the country. I happen to think there are

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<v Speaker 1>people on top of Camia Harrison, around her and around

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<v Speaker 1>the figurehead who want this to happen because it's divide

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<v Speaker 1>and conquer, it's a color revolution. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the why is on people doing this to families and

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<v Speaker 1>to kids.

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<v Speaker 3>This is actually the thing that nobody's talking about that

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<v Speaker 3>everybody should be talking about. Yes, definitely the sorting that's

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<v Speaker 3>going on within the United States between red and blue,

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<v Speaker 3>whether that cities or states, but the actual population dearth,

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<v Speaker 3>the population spiral that we as a country are in.

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<v Speaker 3>More than seventy percent of the world's population lives in

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<v Speaker 3>countries that are not replacing themselves. It is a major

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<v Speaker 3>excuse for immigration policy, bad immigration policy. So actually, my

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<v Speaker 3>next book pro child Politics, which looks at every political

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<v Speaker 3>issue through the lens of what is best for kids.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got seven different chapters that touch on why is

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<v Speaker 3>it that people are not having kids? One reason is

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<v Speaker 3>the economy, right. Chris Bedford of The Blaze writes our

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<v Speaker 3>Economy chapter and talks about why economics is set up

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<v Speaker 3>against families and just ordinary Americans. We've got our environment

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<v Speaker 3>chapter written by Chris Barnard of the American Conservation American

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<v Speaker 3>Conservative Coalition, and he's a conservative environmentalist, talking about how

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<v Speaker 3>environmental policy and the ways we talk about climate has

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<v Speaker 3>scared young people out of having children, and that's a

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<v Speaker 3>huge part of them not choosing not to have kids

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<v Speaker 3>of their own. We've got a chapter written on taxes

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<v Speaker 3>by Grover Norquist. We've got Phil Kirpan wrote our debt chapter,

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<v Speaker 3>the ways that we are using our entitlements and the

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<v Speaker 3>ways that we are structuring our taxes de incentivizes people

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<v Speaker 3>having families. We've got a chapter written on masculinity by

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<v Speaker 3>the president of Promise Keepers, who talks about how the

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<v Speaker 3>denigration of manhood makes it harder for men to foreign families.

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<v Speaker 3>And then p ch keenan of domestic extremist fame, wrote

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<v Speaker 3>our feminism chapter. We're lying to women about the importance

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<v Speaker 3>of marriage and family and telling them the career is

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<v Speaker 3>what is going to fulfill them. So there's so many

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<v Speaker 3>forces that are working against ordinary people forming and maintaining

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<v Speaker 3>families and choosing to have children. And unfortunately, so many

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<v Speaker 3>of those messages are coming directly from the left.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so is a why And I love the layout

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<v Speaker 1>of the book and the experts, and there's a link

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<v Speaker 1>to get in front of getting this book for yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the show notes, make sure that you do that.

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<v Speaker 1>All these books are worthwhile. The entire trio now of

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<v Speaker 1>books from Katie. The why is it tied to a

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<v Speaker 1>desire to have fewer humans? Because they tell us that

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Katie. They come out and say we need

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<v Speaker 1>seven point five billion fewer people, so their backfilling. You're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>through this mass illegal immigration, it is illegal. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>checking who these people are. We see the riots in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, the riots in Ireland, the troubles are back.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even believe I'm watching the troubles in Belfast

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<v Speaker 1>where troops are saying we're going to use impact rounds

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<v Speaker 1>if you continue to protest the theft of farms and

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<v Speaker 1>houses and schools from you for the newcomers, and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't help the newcomers to come and be absolutely resented.

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<v Speaker 1>So is part of this a desire to have fewer humans?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, definitely, there are segments of the climate alarmists that

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<v Speaker 3>have said depopulation is a huge part, a huge plank

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<v Speaker 3>in their goals, and that absolutely deserves some of the blame.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not everything. I mean, the way that we

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<v Speaker 3>think about what it means to be human in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of life, and men and women, and marriage, the importance

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<v Speaker 3>of marriage as an institution to advance social thriving. All

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<v Speaker 3>of these have been under attack. Obviously, the way we

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<v Speaker 3>are structuring the economy to de incentivize small businesses and

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<v Speaker 3>reward these mass conglomerates. I mean, there are so many

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<v Speaker 3>ways that are stacking the deck against ordinary men and

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<v Speaker 3>women coming together and creating their own mini society. So

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do it against all odds. And I

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<v Speaker 3>understand why people are fleeing the cities because I'll tell

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<v Speaker 3>you what, it's really hard to live in an expensive

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's hard to live in an expensive city, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also scary. And I've seen people that there are

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<v Speaker 1>satellites to this day in San Franciscoites and Los Angelites

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<v Speaker 1>and people live in these cities who will post I

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<v Speaker 1>don't recognize the city you guys talk about. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that. I don't see the high crime. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been afraid in my city. But I look at that

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<v Speaker 1>class of people and almost universally their laptop class that

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<v Speaker 1>almost universally works at home, and if they're not working

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<v Speaker 1>at home, they're almost universally in an uber from a

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<v Speaker 1>home to a building dropped off. They do not have

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. And obviously, the other day with someone

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<v Speaker 1>and we were setting up to have a workout in

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<v Speaker 1>the park and we're planning for this work at this lake,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we were walking around. We just found some glass.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there's glass, And I said, you know what, in

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle people check the playgrounds and soccer fields for needles.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were people saying, wait what, right, No, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a ritual you do this, and says people are

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<v Speaker 1>moving out of these areas. That's also an anti crime

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<v Speaker 1>are an anti child policy, pro crime?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys cover that at all? You cover crime?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh babe. Our mutual friend Ari Hoffman wrote an entire

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<v Speaker 3>chapter on policing and why policing is actually a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of justice for children, And of course I got somebody

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<v Speaker 3>in Seattle to do it, because Seattle is the place

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<v Speaker 3>where they tested so many of these wild destructive leftists

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<v Speaker 3>theories and we got to see how it worked out firsthand.

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<v Speaker 3>And how did die?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean right, people died right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And people well not just died, but are murdered, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all sorts of forms of death.