Speaker 1: Katie Faust is president and founder of Them before Us.
Speaker 1: So who's the them? Them as kids? Who's the US?
Speaker 1: Parents and older people. She is a international speaker and
Speaker 1: author multiple times.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: This is her third book. She's been to the UN
Speaker 1: She's confronted them about what they're doing to parental rights.
Speaker 1: Her new book is about pro child politics. Katie Faust
Speaker 1: joins us now on The Todd Herman Show. Thank you
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Speaker 1: Today is a day the Lord has made, and these
Speaker 1: are the times which God has decided we shall live.
Speaker 1: And it's always a thrill to have with me my friends.
Speaker 1: And I am honored to call her friend Katie Faust. Katie,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Todterman Show.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is that all of this makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense if you're living in the land of ideology.
Speaker 3: If you never touch grass, as the kids say, then
Speaker 3: sure all of this looks really really good. I mean,
Speaker 3: you have entire you know, sectors of academia. There is
Speaker 3: saying that children need to be liberated. We needed children's
Speaker 3: liberation movement, But of course who are they going to
Speaker 3: be liberated from. It's the parents, right they see this
Speaker 3: because sure there's incidents where kids are controlled or abused
Speaker 3: sometimes by parents. The problem is that in this world
Speaker 3: of reality that we're actually living in, parents are the
Speaker 3: most connected to, invested in, and protective of kids. And
Speaker 3: if you're going to liberate children from their parents, you
Speaker 3: don't liberate them from oppression and control and abuse. You
Speaker 3: simply transfer the abuse and the control, and very very
Speaker 3: often you know that matrix of genuine oppression to another
Speaker 3: entity that maybe doesn't even know the kid's name and
Speaker 3: certainly was not there when they were waking up at
Speaker 3: four in the morning with a fever and needing you know,
Speaker 3: comfort and care. So this whole thing just gets both
Speaker 3: children and parents wrong. And it can come from people
Speaker 3: that are supposedly well meaning. It's just they're not in
Speaker 3: contact with reality at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's that's a piece I wanted to focus down.
Speaker 1: I think this is really really important. I can remember
Speaker 1: having a conversation with a college professor before I dropped
Speaker 1: out of college and he'd asked us to present our fantasy,
Speaker 1: uh scenario for society. Okay, his name is Rudy. It's
Speaker 1: really nice guy, super nice guy. Really liked him. He
Speaker 1: was kind of making an impression on me. And one
Speaker 1: day I asked him, Hey, well, Rudy, you've never shared yours.
Speaker 1: You know, you had to write all these papers. What's yours?
Speaker 1: And he said, well, my ultimate goal for society, or
Speaker 1: my fantasist society, is everybody would pay be paid the
Speaker 1: same thing. I don't know what you did, so you
Speaker 1: you know, a surgeon would be the pa paid the
Speaker 1: same thing as someone who you know, cleans up after
Speaker 1: the surgeon. And I sat there dumbfounded, and I said, well,
Speaker 1: but then we have too many people who are let's say,
Speaker 1: tearing tickets at movie theaters, because what do you mean,
Speaker 1: I go, If I'm paid the same money to stand
Speaker 1: there and get free movies and tear a piece of paper,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd pursue what it would take to
Speaker 1: become a surgeon. And he got very very offended at me,
Speaker 1: and I'd pierced that veil, that that that you know,
Speaker 1: living in theory veil, but if I look at at
Speaker 1: Tim Waltz, or I look at a Cammy Harris, or
Speaker 1: I look at a Gavin Newsom, or I look at
Speaker 1: a Jay Insley. Those people are mendacious and there's great
Speaker 1: evil done through them. But when you're sitting on a
Speaker 1: panel with an academic and they present this to you,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to make
Speaker 1: this across the board. But do you get any sense
Speaker 1: at all that they have any empathy for parents? And
Speaker 1: you no?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing, Like, it's not just the panelists, right,
Speaker 3: it is really the elites that are I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you can like make fun of all you want of
Speaker 3: Jdvance's you know, child as cat ladies like Quip, but
Speaker 3: I know that like at the G eight summit a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, you looked at all the different
Speaker 3: world leaders, especially across Europe, and hardly any of them
Speaker 3: had children. I mean, we really are in a place
Speaker 3: where these people aren't even touching grass when it comes
Speaker 3: to their own front yard with their own children, and
Speaker 3: so they just don't have as many opportunities to actually
Speaker 3: see what's the world really like. And then what happens
Speaker 3: is when you actually have your own child, you go, oh,
Speaker 3: wait a second, nobody's going to touch this kid. But
Speaker 3: if you don't have your own kids, and that is
Speaker 3: the problem. We are largely merging into a society that
Speaker 3: is free of marriage, and if you're free of marriage,
Speaker 3: you're often free of children as well. But even the
Speaker 3: people who aren't getting married often aren't having their own kids.
Speaker 3: So it's very hard to understand how somebody could want
Speaker 3: the best for their kids. When wouldn't it be easier
Speaker 3: if the state just to say, I mean really, that's
Speaker 3: where the problem is, is that the top policy leaders
Speaker 3: that think they know better for kids than their own parents.
Speaker 1: So well said, I read a fascinating statistic, and it
Speaker 1: is that in big cities they're seeing a net decrease in.
Speaker 2: Population.
Speaker 1: A lot of that is outflow, but another part of
Speaker 1: it is people are not having kids in the big cities,
Speaker 1: and families are relocating to the suburbs or leaving the
Speaker 1: blue states for the rehtor states. They're taking their kids
Speaker 1: with them and having more kids. So it is creating
Speaker 1: this environment, this bifurcation in the country, which is another
Speaker 1: form of Balkanization. And I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: that and I want to ask you about the why.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the cup, but is there a why
Speaker 1: beyond Oh, it seems like a good idea. Is there
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Speaker 1: seen the same statistics that the cities are becoming these
Speaker 1: childless places, and as they get that, they're getting more
Speaker 1: and more political bulk. The suburbs are becoming the place
Speaker 1: for families, and we're seeing again a Balkanization and a
Speaker 1: splitting in the country. I happen to think there are
Speaker 1: people on top of Camia Harrison, around her and around
Speaker 1: the figurehead who want this to happen because it's divide
Speaker 1: and conquer, it's a color revolution. What do you think
Speaker 1: the why is on people doing this to families and
Speaker 1: to kids.
Speaker 3: This is actually the thing that nobody's talking about that
Speaker 3: everybody should be talking about. Yes, definitely the sorting that's
Speaker 3: going on within the United States between red and blue,
Speaker 3: whether that cities or states, but the actual population dearth,
Speaker 3: the population spiral that we as a country are in.
Speaker 3: More than seventy percent of the world's population lives in
Speaker 3: countries that are not replacing themselves. It is a major
Speaker 3: excuse for immigration policy, bad immigration policy. So actually, my
Speaker 3: next book pro child Politics, which looks at every political
Speaker 3: issue through the lens of what is best for kids.
Speaker 3: We've got seven different chapters that touch on why is
Speaker 3: it that people are not having kids? One reason is
Speaker 3: the economy, right. Chris Bedford of The Blaze writes our
Speaker 3: Economy chapter and talks about why economics is set up
Speaker 3: against families and just ordinary Americans. We've got our environment
Speaker 3: chapter written by Chris Barnard of the American Conservation American
Speaker 3: Conservative Coalition, and he's a conservative environmentalist, talking about how
Speaker 3: environmental policy and the ways we talk about climate has
Speaker 3: scared young people out of having children, and that's a
Speaker 3: huge part of them not choosing not to have kids
Speaker 3: of their own. We've got a chapter written on taxes
Speaker 3: by Grover Norquist. We've got Phil Kirpan wrote our debt chapter,
Speaker 3: the ways that we are using our entitlements and the
Speaker 3: ways that we are structuring our taxes de incentivizes people
Speaker 3: having families. We've got a chapter written on masculinity by
Speaker 3: the president of Promise Keepers, who talks about how the
Speaker 3: denigration of manhood makes it harder for men to foreign families.
Speaker 3: And then p ch keenan of domestic extremist fame, wrote
Speaker 3: our feminism chapter. We're lying to women about the importance
Speaker 3: of marriage and family and telling them the career is
Speaker 3: what is going to fulfill them. So there's so many
Speaker 3: forces that are working against ordinary people forming and maintaining
Speaker 3: families and choosing to have children. And unfortunately, so many
Speaker 3: of those messages are coming directly from the left.
Speaker 1: Okay, so is a why And I love the layout
Speaker 1: of the book and the experts, and there's a link
Speaker 1: to get in front of getting this book for yourself,
Speaker 1: and in the show notes, make sure that you do that.
Speaker 1: All these books are worthwhile. The entire trio now of
Speaker 1: books from Katie. The why is it tied to a
Speaker 1: desire to have fewer humans? Because they tell us that
Speaker 1: I mean Katie. They come out and say we need
Speaker 1: seven point five billion fewer people, so their backfilling. You're saying,
Speaker 1: through this mass illegal immigration, it is illegal. We're not
Speaker 1: checking who these people are. We see the riots in
Speaker 1: the UK, the riots in Ireland, the troubles are back.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe I'm watching the troubles in Belfast
Speaker 1: where troops are saying we're going to use impact rounds
Speaker 1: if you continue to protest the theft of farms and
Speaker 1: houses and schools from you for the newcomers, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't help the newcomers to come and be absolutely resented.
Speaker 1: So is part of this a desire to have fewer humans?
Speaker 3: Well, definitely, there are segments of the climate alarmists that
Speaker 3: have said depopulation is a huge part, a huge plank
Speaker 3: in their goals, and that absolutely deserves some of the blame.
Speaker 3: But that's not everything. I mean, the way that we
Speaker 3: think about what it means to be human in terms
Speaker 3: of life, and men and women, and marriage, the importance
Speaker 3: of marriage as an institution to advance social thriving. All
Speaker 3: of these have been under attack. Obviously, the way we
Speaker 3: are structuring the economy to de incentivize small businesses and
Speaker 3: reward these mass conglomerates. I mean, there are so many
Speaker 3: ways that are stacking the deck against ordinary men and
Speaker 3: women coming together and creating their own mini society. So
Speaker 3: you have to do it against all odds. And I
Speaker 3: understand why people are fleeing the cities because I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what, it's really hard to live in an expensive
Speaker 3: city and try to raise kids.
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to live in an expensive city, but
Speaker 1: it's also scary. And I've seen people that there are
Speaker 1: satellites to this day in San Franciscoites and Los Angelites
Speaker 1: and people live in these cities who will post I
Speaker 1: don't recognize the city you guys talk about. I don't
Speaker 1: recognize that. I don't see the high crime. I've never
Speaker 1: been afraid in my city. But I look at that
Speaker 1: class of people and almost universally their laptop class that
Speaker 1: almost universally works at home, and if they're not working
Speaker 1: at home, they're almost universally in an uber from a
Speaker 1: home to a building dropped off. They do not have
Speaker 1: to do this. And obviously, the other day with someone
Speaker 1: and we were setting up to have a workout in
Speaker 1: the park and we're planning for this work at this lake,
Speaker 1: and when we were walking around. We just found some glass.
Speaker 1: Well there's glass, And I said, you know what, in
Speaker 1: Seattle people check the playgrounds and soccer fields for needles.
Speaker 1: And there were people saying, wait what, right, No, this
Speaker 1: is a ritual you do this, and says people are
Speaker 1: moving out of these areas. That's also an anti crime
Speaker 1: are an anti child policy, pro crime?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Do you guys cover that at all? You cover crime?
Speaker 3: Oh babe. Our mutual friend Ari Hoffman wrote an entire
Speaker 3: chapter on policing and why policing is actually a matter
Speaker 3: of justice for children, And of course I got somebody
Speaker 3: in Seattle to do it, because Seattle is the place
Speaker 3: where they tested so many of these wild destructive leftists
Speaker 3: theories and we got to see how it worked out firsthand.
Speaker 3: And how did die?
Speaker 1: I mean right, people died right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And people well not just died, but are murdered, and
Speaker 1: I mean all sorts of forms of death.