Speaker 1: Katie Faust is president and founder of Them before Us.
So who's the them? Them as kids? Who's the US?
Parents and older people. She is a international speaker and
author multiple times.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: This is her third book. She's been to the UN
She's confronted them about what they're doing to parental rights.
Her new book is about pro child politics. Katie Faust
joins us now on The Todd Herman Show. Thank you
God Almighty for making it possible.
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Speaker 1: Today is a day the Lord has made, and these
are the times which God has decided we shall live.
And it's always a thrill to have with me my friends.
And I am honored to call her friend Katie Faust. Katie,
welcome back to the Todterman Show.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is that all of this makes a
lot of sense if you're living in the land of ideology.
If you never touch grass, as the kids say, then
sure all of this looks really really good. I mean,
you have entire you know, sectors of academia. There is
saying that children need to be liberated. We needed children's
liberation movement, But of course who are they going to
be liberated from. It's the parents, right they see this
because sure there's incidents where kids are controlled or abused
sometimes by parents. The problem is that in this world
of reality that we're actually living in, parents are the
most connected to, invested in, and protective of kids. And
if you're going to liberate children from their parents, you
don't liberate them from oppression and control and abuse. You
simply transfer the abuse and the control, and very very
often you know that matrix of genuine oppression to another
entity that maybe doesn't even know the kid's name and
certainly was not there when they were waking up at
four in the morning with a fever and needing you know,
comfort and care. So this whole thing just gets both
children and parents wrong. And it can come from people
that are supposedly well meaning. It's just they're not in
contact with reality at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's that's a piece I wanted to focus down.
I think this is really really important. I can remember
having a conversation with a college professor before I dropped
out of college and he'd asked us to present our fantasy,
uh scenario for society. Okay, his name is Rudy. It's
really nice guy, super nice guy. Really liked him. He
was kind of making an impression on me. And one
day I asked him, Hey, well, Rudy, you've never shared yours.
You know, you had to write all these papers. What's yours?
And he said, well, my ultimate goal for society, or
my fantasist society, is everybody would pay be paid the
same thing. I don't know what you did, so you
you know, a surgeon would be the pa paid the
same thing as someone who you know, cleans up after
the surgeon. And I sat there dumbfounded, and I said, well,
but then we have too many people who are let's say,
tearing tickets at movie theaters, because what do you mean,
I go, If I'm paid the same money to stand
there and get free movies and tear a piece of paper,
I don't think I'd pursue what it would take to
become a surgeon. And he got very very offended at me,
and I'd pierced that veil, that that that you know,
living in theory veil, but if I look at at
Tim Waltz, or I look at a Cammy Harris, or
I look at a Gavin Newsom, or I look at
a Jay Insley. Those people are mendacious and there's great
evil done through them. But when you're sitting on a
panel with an academic and they present this to you,
I don't want to be I don't want to make
this across the board. But do you get any sense
at all that they have any empathy for parents? And
you no?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing, Like, it's not just the panelists, right,
it is really the elites that are I mean, you know,
you can like make fun of all you want of
Jdvance's you know, child as cat ladies like Quip, but
I know that like at the G eight summit a
couple of years ago, you looked at all the different
world leaders, especially across Europe, and hardly any of them
had children. I mean, we really are in a place
where these people aren't even touching grass when it comes
to their own front yard with their own children, and
so they just don't have as many opportunities to actually
see what's the world really like. And then what happens
is when you actually have your own child, you go, oh,
wait a second, nobody's going to touch this kid. But
if you don't have your own kids, and that is
the problem. We are largely merging into a society that
is free of marriage, and if you're free of marriage,
you're often free of children as well. But even the
people who aren't getting married often aren't having their own kids.
So it's very hard to understand how somebody could want
the best for their kids. When wouldn't it be easier
if the state just to say, I mean really, that's
where the problem is, is that the top policy leaders
that think they know better for kids than their own parents.
Speaker 1: So well said, I read a fascinating statistic, and it
is that in big cities they're seeing a net decrease in.
Speaker 2: Population.
Speaker 1: A lot of that is outflow, but another part of
it is people are not having kids in the big cities,
and families are relocating to the suburbs or leaving the
blue states for the rehtor states. They're taking their kids
with them and having more kids. So it is creating
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seen the same statistics that the cities are becoming these
childless places, and as they get that, they're getting more
and more political bulk. The suburbs are becoming the place
for families, and we're seeing again a Balkanization and a
splitting in the country. I happen to think there are
people on top of Camia Harrison, around her and around
the figurehead who want this to happen because it's divide
and conquer, it's a color revolution. What do you think
the why is on people doing this to families and
to kids.
Speaker 3: This is actually the thing that nobody's talking about that
everybody should be talking about. Yes, definitely the sorting that's
going on within the United States between red and blue,
whether that cities or states, but the actual population dearth,
the population spiral that we as a country are in.
More than seventy percent of the world's population lives in
countries that are not replacing themselves. It is a major
excuse for immigration policy, bad immigration policy. So actually, my
next book pro child Politics, which looks at every political
issue through the lens of what is best for kids.
We've got seven different chapters that touch on why is
it that people are not having kids? One reason is
the economy, right. Chris Bedford of The Blaze writes our
Economy chapter and talks about why economics is set up
against families and just ordinary Americans. We've got our environment
chapter written by Chris Barnard of the American Conservation American
Conservative Coalition, and he's a conservative environmentalist, talking about how
environmental policy and the ways we talk about climate has
scared young people out of having children, and that's a
huge part of them not choosing not to have kids
of their own. We've got a chapter written on taxes
by Grover Norquist. We've got Phil Kirpan wrote our debt chapter,
the ways that we are using our entitlements and the
ways that we are structuring our taxes de incentivizes people
having families. We've got a chapter written on masculinity by
the president of Promise Keepers, who talks about how the
denigration of manhood makes it harder for men to foreign families.
And then p ch keenan of domestic extremist fame, wrote
our feminism chapter. We're lying to women about the importance
of marriage and family and telling them the career is
what is going to fulfill them. So there's so many
forces that are working against ordinary people forming and maintaining
families and choosing to have children. And unfortunately, so many
of those messages are coming directly from the left.
Speaker 1: Okay, so is a why And I love the layout
of the book and the experts, and there's a link
to get in front of getting this book for yourself,
and in the show notes, make sure that you do that.
All these books are worthwhile. The entire trio now of
books from Katie. The why is it tied to a
desire to have fewer humans? Because they tell us that
I mean Katie. They come out and say we need
seven point five billion fewer people, so their backfilling. You're saying,
through this mass illegal immigration, it is illegal. We're not
checking who these people are. We see the riots in
the UK, the riots in Ireland, the troubles are back.
I can't even believe I'm watching the troubles in Belfast
where troops are saying we're going to use impact rounds
if you continue to protest the theft of farms and
houses and schools from you for the newcomers, and it
doesn't help the newcomers to come and be absolutely resented.
So is part of this a desire to have fewer humans?
Speaker 3: Well, definitely, there are segments of the climate alarmists that
have said depopulation is a huge part, a huge plank
in their goals, and that absolutely deserves some of the blame.
But that's not everything. I mean, the way that we
think about what it means to be human in terms
of life, and men and women, and marriage, the importance
of marriage as an institution to advance social thriving. All
of these have been under attack. Obviously, the way we
are structuring the economy to de incentivize small businesses and
reward these mass conglomerates. I mean, there are so many
ways that are stacking the deck against ordinary men and
women coming together and creating their own mini society. So
you have to do it against all odds. And I
understand why people are fleeing the cities because I'll tell
you what, it's really hard to live in an expensive
city and try to raise kids.
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to live in an expensive city, but
it's also scary. And I've seen people that there are
satellites to this day in San Franciscoites and Los Angelites
and people live in these cities who will post I
don't recognize the city you guys talk about. I don't
recognize that. I don't see the high crime. I've never
been afraid in my city. But I look at that
class of people and almost universally their laptop class that
almost universally works at home, and if they're not working
at home, they're almost universally in an uber from a
home to a building dropped off. They do not have
to do this. And obviously, the other day with someone
and we were setting up to have a workout in
the park and we're planning for this work at this lake,
and when we were walking around. We just found some glass.
Well there's glass, And I said, you know what, in
Seattle people check the playgrounds and soccer fields for needles.
And there were people saying, wait what, right, No, this
is a ritual you do this, and says people are
moving out of these areas. That's also an anti crime
are an anti child policy, pro crime?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Do you guys cover that at all? You cover crime?
Speaker 3: Oh babe. Our mutual friend Ari Hoffman wrote an entire
chapter on policing and why policing is actually a matter
of justice for children, And of course I got somebody
in Seattle to do it, because Seattle is the place
where they tested so many of these wild destructive leftists
theories and we got to see how it worked out firsthand.
And how did die?
Speaker 1: I mean right, people died right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And people well not just died, but are murdered, and
I mean all sorts of forms of death.