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the Paranormal Spectrum here on the Untold Radio Network. I
am your host, Barnaby Jones from Cryptids, Anomalies and the
Paranormal Society. We have a wonderful guest waiting backstage today
to entertain and enlighten all of us. But first before
we get to that, if you guys want to come
out and meet myself in person, we are just a
couple days oh way here from Contact Modalities Expo May
first through the third in Delavan, Wisconsin. It is going
to be a great event, three days of all kinds
of sound, resonance, vibration and frequency and fun stuff there.
Trey Hudson is going to be my guest next week
on the show. He is going to be one of
your entertainers for that weekend, along with Jayba Chochin, Jack Chavez,
Zach Screedy, all been part of our show in the past,
as well well as fellow Untold Radio host Dean Bertram
will be there doing a presentation. So it's going to
be a great event. If you guys want to meet
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And then guys, of course, we have the Cryptids, Anomalies
and Paranormal Convention Saturday, May ninth in Fondilac, Wisconsin. Over
twenty speakers and workshops and forty vendors for your shopping pleasure.
All kicking off Friday afternoon, we have a Kid's Bigfoot
Expedition Lauren Smith, Chris McCrary and myself from the CAPS team.
Kelly will not be able to make it though, but
we'll be going out in the woods teaching your kids
how to safely look for bigfoot, things to look for
and stuff to get them motivated and started on their
cryptid hunting journeys. And for the more venturous, Lauren, Chris, myself, Jaybachochin,
Ken Gerhart, Larry Eisler, and Christina Bloom will be leading
the evening Bigfoot expedition as well. Kinds of stuff to
kick off this weekend May eighth and ninth. Then guys,
we head down Chicago for the Chicago Paranormal Convention Saturday
June thirteenth in Countryside, Illinois. Then I will be at
the Brownsville Library June seventeenth, the Cedarberg Library July twenty
second Potographs Packerland Paranormal Conference September twenty sixth in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
The Ryle Community Library October twenty eighth, and the Belleville
Public Library October thirtieth, right before Halloween, to talk all
about UFOs and UAP disclosure. Gonna be a fun rest
of the year here, guys, but now we have some
fun with our guests. So, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen,
my guest is Ann Seline. She is an author, researcher,
and psychological essayist devoted to exploring the unseen architecture of
the human experience. Her work lives at the crossroads of
trauma and transformation, folklore and neuroscience, ancestral memory, and modern mysticism,
with a background steeped in cycle psychology, metaphysics, and historical inquiry,
and brings a rare synthesis to her writing, infusing poetic
insight and academic curiosity. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome and
to the show, and how you doing.
Speaker 4: I'm wonderful. Thank you so much for having me here.
Speaker 6: It's an honor, it is my pleasure. So I have
heard so much about you and I'm excited to finally
get a chance to talk to you and see all
the stuff that you've worked on. And I was looking
into kind of your website and stuff and all kinds
of stuff here, so modern mysticism and folklore, and it's
very ambitious. That's what you are.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, I mean I'm a writer at heart. I
love writing, and so it's.
Speaker 7: One of those things where I'm also I consider myself
an eternal student, and I just love learning. So of
course the more that I learn, the more that I
can write, and I get excited to share. And then
one thing leads to another leads to another, and.
Speaker 4: Here we are.
Speaker 6: You are never too old to stop learning.
Speaker 4: Exactly well, you have?
Speaker 6: You have written a couple of things here. I want
to start out with the first one. I believe this
is a republish of your book. Correct, Yes, it is so.
Speaker 7: Originally it was called Aperture in the Veil Diaries of
Lydianne born in Preternational World, and I really wanted to
republish it so that way it was more it was
easier to understand that this was more of a memoir
of my whole life, all the experiences that I've had
since my very earliest memories. This one goes all the
way up into I think twenty twenty one, and then
there will be another book that I'm writing on that
will pick up from twenty twenty two until the current point.
So yeah, so this one, this one was definitely my love.
My children inspired me to write it because I think
that it's important for other experiencers to understand that we're
not alone.
Speaker 6: Very interesting Well, so you you must have had a
very very interesting life to have memoirs of spirits and signs.
On the second side, let's let's start off with your
your a medium, right, I mean, I don't know how
to answer that.
Speaker 7: I mean, so it's one of those things where I
started going to what was known as healing group when
I I was fifteen years old, and what we were
doing was we were learning reiki, and so I had
started getting my reiki attunements, and I became a reiki
master when I was about twenty three.
Speaker 4: So I was attending this from the time I was
fifteen until my late twenties, and.
Speaker 7: There were a lot of different things that happened that
I experienced intuitively that turned out to be correct, you know,
And then I learned how to read different tarot.
Speaker 4: Cards and ruins and bones and all these things, and
it was so much fun.
Speaker 7: So I have the abilities. I would say, I'm tuned
into my intuition. But do I want to wear the
label of medium. I don't know, because I'm also not
actively practicing trying to channel anybody for anybody or anything
like that.
Speaker 6: Interesting, Okay, so I don't. I don't want to pry
to you deep into anything that you don't want to
talk about here, but it's all good. So how did
you why did you get started in the reiki courses
to begin with? What? Where did this all start back?
How did you kind of fall in gosh cycle of learning?
Speaker 4: Let's see, I have to remember my dad had.
Speaker 7: My dad had pancreatitis, and I think that happened. First
he was in the hospital. We didn't know if he
was going to make it.
Speaker 4: And then I got a part time job after school.
He came home and I can't remember how long it
was after he came home, but he he met somebody
and he was like, so I've I've been seeing I
have a new friend. It wasn't a romantic situation, but
he had this new friend Trishia, and she had this
healing group and so he was around sunsets and so
he was like, if you would like to.
Speaker 7: Go, then you are more than welcome to kind of
see what we're doing. So I was like, okay, So
you know, I went and I it was different because
there was a lot of people. They have this massage
table that was set out in the middle of the room,
and then they had these.
Speaker 4: Really cool circle stones.
Speaker 7: It was a whole kit though, where there was like
these different types of stones and they had different purposes.
Speaker 4: But these little circle stones were all the colors of
the rainbow.
Speaker 7: And then they were to go around the healing table
and then you know, everybody would take turns and you could,
you know, put hands above the person and.
Speaker 4: Channel the ricky energy. And I loved it.
Speaker 7: It just it, I don't know, it felt familiar, it
felt comfortable, and so of course I wanted to continue going.
Speaker 4: With my father. And I loved Tricia.
Speaker 7: She ended up becoming like a second mom to me,
and you know, I had a what was called an
angel reading from her, and so she did my taro.
We talked one on one and ever since then it
was like, okay, like this this feels like what I'm
supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4: So I stuck with it and.
Speaker 6: There cool. Okay, So you didn't really have like an
interest or anything in this stuff prior to that. It
was just kind of you got led into this meeting,
and that's where the spawned at all.
Speaker 7: When it comes to the reiki specifically, yes, I was
interested in like, of course, I mean I watched Unsolved
Mysteries and Goosebumps and are You Afraid of the Dark
and all that kind of stuff with my grandpa. So
I loved all of that before any of this. And
I also found a book called Talking to Heaven, and
I can't remember who who the author is, but in
that book they were talking about being able to speak
to like your spirit guides or you know, a loved one,
and so that was really interesting to me. And I remember,
of course I loved Harry Houdini and we always wondered
if he was actually part of our family because we
share the surname.
Speaker 4: So you know, I was. I was interested in the spiritualist.
Speaker 7: Movement trying to contact, you know, seances and everything. So
when my dad had come and said, hey, there's this
healing group. It's reiki that was completely foreign to what
I was, you know, really used to. So I was
interested for sure. And and something miraculous too. On my
father's journey, he had diabetes and his health was pretty bad,
and he had received a healing that ended up curing
his diabetes and he's never never dealt with it since.
Speaker 4: And the doctors were baffled and everything, and so it
was just I saw some things during my time that
it was just it was incredible.
Speaker 6: Very interesting, very interesting. So did you ever discover if
you're related to Harry Houdini.
Speaker 4: No, I have not. I don't think so.
Speaker 7: Our family comes from bess Arabia, so where the Germans
from the Black Sea region, so it was considered I
think Prussia back then.
Speaker 4: I think that we're from a different village. Then.
Speaker 7: I don't think that his family ever actually ended up
in bess Arabia, so it's a different line.
Speaker 6: I grew up in Appleton, Wisconsin, which is maybe famous
infamous for Harry Houdini.
Speaker 4: We have the.
Speaker 6: Right there.
Speaker 4: I need to go.
Speaker 6: Fifteen minutes from me right now.
Speaker 4: Really, Oh man, that's awesome.
Speaker 6: It's a it's a little castle kind of thing looking,
Oh wow.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we have very cool.
Speaker 6: Every October, every Halloween they do a seance for Harry Houdini.
Really he was supposed to come forward on Halloween and
prove that he was from the life and all that stuff,
and so yeah, they do. They have a Who Needy
Plaza down there and it's got a big statue and
stuff dedicated to him and everything, and they do a
whole I.
Speaker 4: Had no idea about. That's great.
Speaker 6: See, that's what happens when you grew up in that time.
I know anything about it either, but.
Speaker 4: Very cool.
Speaker 6: So yeah, and like you said, he was big into
the spiritual movement and stuff like trying to disprove all
these mediums and that they were all fake and that
was part of his whole thing, you know, being a magician,
you know, for people for a living and then trying
to disprove all the stuff and all that as well.
So that's fair. Yeah, it was a fascinating time then,
So you you kind of grew up interested in the
spiritualist movement.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 7: I did from watching different documentaries and then just the
influence from you know, the scary stories and stuff, and
then you know, it was the Pacific Northwest as well,
so we had Sasquatch, and my family told stories about
experiences they had with rock throwing and all of that.
Speaker 4: So there was definitely a belief system from when I
was really little.
Speaker 6: That's awesome. So you grew up with the stories of bigfoot, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: And what's really interesting though, is that there are stories
of little feet.
Speaker 7: I don't know what they're called. I can't remember. I
knew it once, I don't remember it now. But when
I was really little, I was so my parents were
rock hounders, fishermen, all that stuff. So we went into
the Tellmuk forest and they were doing their rock cand
and I remember saying to my dad.
Speaker 4: I was like, what is this And he's like what
I said this? And there was this little footprint that
had to have been It looked like it was like
a six year old but it was like little human.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know, just like mine. And he's like, oh,
that's the little people, and I was like oh, and
then we just like continued walking.
Speaker 4: Like it was no big deal.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, Yeah, that's just the little people.
Speaker 4: Don't worry about Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: One of the strangest things, like I've I've encountered a
lot of weird things out in the woods and stuff.
Since I've started doing caps on that. But one of
the weirdest things was up and Upper Michigan. We were
on the Heightened Adventure property where we did a lot
of research and we came across a footprint about I
would say maybe inch and a half two inches long. Ah,
and it was a bootprint. Oh wow, yeah. I mean
Craig had you know, you know, granddaughters and stuff like that,
but they're too old for this. And where we found
the print was on the driveway in. It was all
like on the embankment to the little gravel road that
drove in and this this gravel road is over a
half mile long, so it's anybody would have stopped got
out and you know, had a little kid running around
out there. And besides, two inches long is not you know,
but it had had tread and a heel and it
was a boot in the ground. So wow, no idea,
no idea how that happened.
Speaker 4: But interesting, very cool.
Speaker 6: I don't know how many little little bigfoots and stuff
running around with.
Speaker 4: I've never heard of that.
Speaker 6: No, No, we have all the stories of like the
puck wedgies and features like that, you know, out on
the East coast and that so I don't know, you
never your parents or grandparents never said anything more about
like these creatures or you know why they knew what
they were, any of the folklore or anything of them.
Speaker 4: No, Nope, it was just it was just part of life,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: It was just one of those things where it's like, well,
that's you know, bigfoots out there and there's these little
people out there.
Speaker 4: And that's just how it is.
Speaker 6: So how many generations removed because you said you came
from like Prussia and stuff originally, how many generations was that,
Like your grandfather came from there or before that, or.
Speaker 7: Oh it was my great great grandfather who came over.
So my great grandfather, I can't remember if he was
born the year that we that they landed or before,
but you know, so, you know, they so they all
spoke German. So great Grandpa didn't speak English until he
was around ten years old, and then my grandfather he
spoke English fluently, and by the time that my dad
was born, he only knew you know, like a couple
German words. But there was a lot of you know,
a lot of very h a lot of pride and
their heritage and everything, because they're very unique. Because the
area it's called alt Rz's it was a little town
and the border was was changing a lot between Moldova
and Ukraine during this time, and so we had the
influence from Moldova, Ukraine, Poland, German Russian and so it
was just this melting pot and you know, the clothing
and the food and the you know, everything, it was
just it's a beautiful, you know, and very unique as well.
So there's like a Germans from Russia Heritage project that is,
you know, to help keep that memory alive because it
was so specific.
Speaker 6: Interesting. So did they did you like, grew up with
any stories and stuff from over there? Liked it because
over over in Europe and stuff, there's so much rich
history with fairies and all the folklore and stuff over there.
Speaker 7: But well, I had Crampus, so I did have Grandpas.
I remember my dad telling me about him. And my
dad he was a big he's so he put on
the biggest paper shows in the Pacific Northwest of selling
antique paper, postcards, magazines, photographs.
Speaker 4: Ten types, you know, all that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: And he you have a different section for each box,
of cards, so you might have topicals, and in your
topicals you might have the holidays. So of course there
was a Christmas section, and in the Christmas section was
where you found Santa Claus, but also Crampus. And so
I remember looking through these postcards and seeing these, you know,
and I remember talking to my dad about him, and
he know, he told me the stories about you know,
you better be good or he's going to.
Speaker 4: Put you in his basket and the whip, you know.
And yeah, so that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 7: And I was surprised actually, so when I got into
this community that you know, crampis really it seems like
Crampus in the stories with him started taking off around
two thousand, I don't know, sixteen or seventeen, Like he's
now a part of our community's yearly thing. But before
that there wasn't. And I talked to other people, Oh
do you know Crampus and people say, no, who is that?
And so it was like, oh, wow, So I'm excited
that he's now like a big part.
Speaker 4: Of things now.
Speaker 6: It kind of Amy Amy says, I never heard of
Crampus still a couple of ye I thought it was
a movie. Yikes. Now though, Yeah, and I feel like
I had heard of it before that, and I don't
remember why, but I was I was doing a Haunted House,
so I think Crampis was part of like the Christmas horror. Yeah,
and right when when we were doing that in the
haunt industry, then the movie had come out as well.
Speaker 4: Oh right, right.
Speaker 6: I think I was like maybe like a couple of
months before the big wave of everyone knowing what it was.
But yeah, very interesting. Yeah, the whole uh Crampis Christmas
card thing is the thing, like that's part of the
whole tradition and stuff. And there Yeah, not very nice
Christmas cards.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7: I mean, and some of them were, I mean they
were interesting. Some of them had women, some of them
had children, you know, and and but I mean Victorian
style Christmas cards and different postcards and stuff were pretty wild,
like for any of the holidays, even Easter, they have
like frogs stabbing each other and it says like happy Easter.
Speaker 6: So yes, Amy. Amy says. Also when I was little
at Christmas, I did here walking around on the roof
and thought it was just my parents trying to pretend
to be Santa. But on the second thought, they would
not be walking around, you know, the whole you know,
when when we talk about Santa Claus and stuff and
war and stuff, you talk about like oh, the the
little prancing hooves of the rain up on the rooftop,
and then it brings a whole different meaning when you
realize that Grampus has hooves as.
Speaker 4: Well, right right, that's awesome.
Speaker 6: Oh man, exactly, Oh that's that's cool. I mean, I
love the whole fact of you know, different, you know,
like I said, around the world, you have all these
different folklores and mythologies and stuff. And it seems like
I've talked about this on the show before. You know,
you have all you know, if America is supposed to
be this great melting pot of cultures and stuff, it
hasn't seeped out as much excuse me, as it should,
you know, with all these different beliefs and stuff. You
you're we're very Americanized here, and how else to say it,
Like we've talked about like death, you know, and how
around the world there's so many different you know, few
nearly rituals and stuff that are not the Western you know,
put you in a casket, bury you in the ground,
kind of stuff, right, and you know, we have this
very whitewashed version of death and how it works, and
you know, how we're supposed to believe. And you know,
there's a Josh Gates did this whole series on death,
you know, on Expedition Unknown, and I remember one standing
out is they have the body of their loved one,
lives with them for an entire year, and they bathe it,
they you know, have breakfast with it and stuff, and
then after a year then they finally parade it through
town and everything and your burial ceremony and you know,
that's that's their culture, that's what they believe and practice.
But here in America, I mean, like if you had
a dead body in your house for a year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, that's true. And you know, it's one
of those things where I think that like for my
family when we were in Bessarabia, they had forced all
the men to be in the Russian army and it was.
Speaker 7: One of those things where it was like you either
join or you die, and we're going to kill your
whole family too. So of course we fled. And when
you and even to today, there's there's older family members
that have said, you know, we don't talk about that.
And then of course there's also name changes. So for instance,
if you have two s's at the end of your name,
one of the s's might drop to try to make
it more Americanized, you know, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Well, along with that and trying to you.
Speaker 7: Know, whether it's being afraid or whatever it is, you
have all of your belief systems that then I think
it seems like people would laugh and say, oh, you're
being so superstitious. I mean, I've had people laugh at
me and say, you know, say that as well. So
then over time I think that these superstitions, you know,
just kind of like fall off and then they get lost,
and I think that it's really sad. You know, there's
one I believe it's in Ukraine and it was a
story of the doma Boy and the Dome of Boy
is this little house spirit and he.
Speaker 4: Helps you and everything and you leave food out for
it and it keeps them happy.
Speaker 7: And of course if you do things that make him unhappy,
then he's going to mess up your house and everything.
And I think little things like that are a lot
of fun, you know, and it's sad to lose those
different practices and beliefs.
Speaker 6: I mean, I keep going back to it, but you know,
like over in my brain escaps Europe. Over in the
European countries and stuff, you have a lot of the
fairy law and stuff, and that sounds very much like
the brownies, you know, the creatures that help you around
the house and you leave food and stuff. Yeah, the
cobbler and the elves kind of story.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: When's the last time you were walking around here in
the United States and they talked about, you know, leaving
food out or milk out for the fairies or something.
And don't get me, I'm sure that there are still
people and immigrants and you know, the people that keep
these traditions alive, but it's not something that is as
commonplace as it is over in these other countries.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's sad.
Speaker 7: I think that if we did have I mean, I
just see in certain communities that do still celebrate these
things when they put stuff out, that there's such a
community in it and there's a connection, and I don't know,
it just gives a different insight to different things, and
it makes you think about life in this multi layer
instead of just having this tunnel vision and just kind
of going through your day and just focusing on the self.
So it would be beautiful if America could have more
of these things kind of rise up and practice and
connect with everybody.
Speaker 6: Again, have you, like run into anybody in the United
States that does still practice any of this stuff?
Speaker 4: Not really? I mean, well it I guess, okay, if
you're talking about people that practice more of like the
nature spirituality, so like a witchcraft stuff or you know,
that kind of thing, then of course they do.
Speaker 7: They all honor like the solstices and the equinoxes and
all that kind of thing, and so there.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've met plenty of.
Speaker 7: People that practice that kind of stuff, but specifically for
fairies or a dome of boy or you know, anything
like that brownies. I haven't that I can remember, heard
of anybody that actually, you know, honors them or talks
about them or anything like that.
Speaker 6: That's interesting. I mean I've I've done a lot of
conventions and you know, I met a lot of people
and stuff, and I don't either. I mean, like you said,
there's there's witchcraft and the you know, the the paganism
and stuff, Earthen cultures and that, but as far as
the creatures and stuff, I don't you don't hear too
much about that, So it's definitely interesting. We need more
of this, yes in the United States. Yeah, I want
to bring up I want to jump ahead here because
we're talking about the folklorethology and stuff, and so you
guys are going to be doing this mythic Ireland, Maakers, Cryptids,
Faye and the Unknown, and Ireland is one of the
main places that has a lot of this, you know,
yeahary folklore and stuff like that. So tell me a
little bit about like the creatures and stuff. Well we'll
start a little bit about the tour and stuff, promote that,
and then tell me what the fay creatures and stuff
that you're going to talk about and go look for
in that So.
Speaker 7: Of course, of course, so this is through Mysterious Adventure
Tours and I had the honor of actually going with
them to Ireland back.
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two.
Speaker 7: It was one of the most I mean, the experience
is going to stick with me for the rest of
my life and the people that I got to go
on the tour with have definitely become family and we
talk still all the time and share the memories and everything.
So I'm so excited and honored to be able to
go somewhere else with mysterious adventure tours. This one is
really special to me as well, because not only so
on my father's side was the best Arabian. On my
mother's side is all the Celtics, so Scottish, Irish, there's
some Welsh and everything.
Speaker 4: So I actually.
Speaker 7: The I mean, there's a lot of different clan names, Wallace,
ruthervan McDonald, gosh, I forget, but it's a whole list,
so I have you know, it's definitely a special place
in my heart. One of the stories that I love
the most, and something that's included are the Selkies. So
this is where you have the seal women. And the
story that I understand is that they can walk on land,
but they have their their pelt and if a man
was to marry her, he would have to you know,
lock the pelt away and hide it from her, and
if she finds.
Speaker 4: It, then she will go back to see and never return.
And I just think that that's so beautiful.
Speaker 7: And there are actually some tribes that believe that they
were descended from Selkies. Now, of course I can't remember
the surname that's connected to that, but I know that
there is one. And then you have, of course the
Lockness Monster, which I'm really excited to go to the
lock and it's something that I've always you know, dreamed
of seeing, which it's just amazing to think that we'll
be able to be there.
Speaker 4: And then there's also.
Speaker 7: There's the Scree, which is this mothman type of creature
that was cited the day before Collowden Moore. So it
was the night so April fifteenth, and it you know,
let out this cry and I guess it was importent
of what was to come. And you know, Colloden More
somewhere that we are actually going to be going. It's
a very powerful place to be. I had ancestors that
fought in that, and uh so that's going to be incredible, gosh.
Speaker 4: And then of course the Fairy.
Speaker 6: Pool, what is what I've never heard of that, okay.
Speaker 7: So it was a huge battle. It was a huge
battle from the Jacobites and the English and they the
Jacobites and everything they were slaughtered. So it really ended
the Highland Clan way of life and and things were
changed and never the same after that.
Speaker 6: Okay, carry on there's a fairy pool.
Speaker 4: Yes, the.
Speaker 7: Fairy pools that are are like And this one's interesting
because in some of the research it talks about the
fairy pools being a place where you can kind of
feel the energy and the presence of the fay. But
then there's this other research that says that there was
a big battle there and that the pools turned red
with blood, and so then there's a darker energy to it.
So I'm still kind of in the middle of figuring
all that out and seeing like, okay, so really what
is it. So I'm really excited to continue that research
and to actually be there so that way I can
actually feel it for myself.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: This is one of the things that when I went
to Ireland was so fascinating because I went to lept Castle.
Webcastle is known as one of the most haunted places
in the world, and you have the Bloody Chapel. So
up in this chapel there's an I'll probably botch the
word ot it's.
Speaker 4: This hole, yeah, with all the spikes, and then throws
somebody down there, and so people are like, oh my gosh,
it's so evil up here.
Speaker 7: And there's this entity, there's this elemental and it's this
like black looking fog that's in there, and so people
talk about cold chills and the feeling of unease and everything. Well,
when I went, it was beautiful, and so I sat there.
I was by myself for a while as the sun
was setting. I was working on another book that I
haven't announced yet, and so I'm still in the process
of writing that. But I wrote some of that while
I was sitting in the Bloody Chapel and it was
the most beautiful, peaceful feeling that I have ever felt.
Speaker 4: So but that's the thing though, So these places, I
think one of the reasons we don't always experience things.
Speaker 7: The way that people say is because we all have
our own kind of chemistry. So if we have a
certain type of energy, and if we project to that
certain type of energy we might have, you know, really
positive protective energy, then that's just not going to be
our experience. We're not maybe a magnet for that type
of experience, whereas maybe others maybe it was in their
life path to have this experience because then it changed
something within them and took them on a whole new path. So,
you know, so it's fascinating because just because there's a
story about a place attached with energy and feelings in
other people's experiences.
Speaker 4: Who knows what yours will be, you know, so absolutely
I could.
Speaker 6: I could see that very much being like on battlefields
and stuff, you know, like you mentioned, you know, if
you if your family is related to the losing side
battlefield and have all the sad depression and stuff of
your people being you nerd and stuff, and then but
if you go there and you are on the winning side, Wow,
what a beautiful play.
Speaker 7: Yeah right, exactly like that that yeah, celebratory or uplifted
type of Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the history is written by the winners.
So yes, yes, it is definitely has like and and
then you know, like you said, with other energy and
the way that you resonate and stuff with your path,
you know, and it sounds like you know, like you said,
like growing up you may not have had the the
full interest in certain aspects of this stuff, but you
grew up open to it. And that's that's very important
with like a lot of the guests that I've had
on stuff, the difference between growing up where people or
their parents are like, nah, this stuff doesn't exist, it's
not real, and learning oh my gosh, I have these
gifts late in life and then trying to play catch
up versus growing up with this maybe not a encouragement
for it, but an openness to.
Speaker 4: It of saying acceptance, you exist.
Speaker 6: You know, and that that changes the whole. And then
obviously you have the people that grew up in a
family where you have mediums and psychics and and all
these people that are in that the no will say whatever,
and you have that all the way growing up. So
it's it's really interesting getting to see the different ways
that this is affected and influenced people's journeys.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, that's for sure. I agree.
Speaker 6: Cool, very cool. So you you have quite a few
books in progress, it seems the author. I feel like
that's probably true. But you have one coming out fairly
soon maybe.
Speaker 4: Yes, hopefully.
Speaker 7: I am having so I am having a major surgery
next week, So that's kind of putting a pause in
my book production. But I will be right back on
it as soon as I'm on my feet again. The
next book has to do with well, originally I had
said it was with remote viewing. I have now been
educated and learned that it is not remote viewing. It
is more what I should have called a eth Reeal transmission,
So that's going to be changed.
Speaker 4: And what I learned, well, I guess I.
Speaker 7: Should say the basis of the book was an experiment
that I did. I thought, I was like, okay, I
know about Zenner cards and being able to try to
pick up what's on the other side of these cards
the shape is it wavy circle, star whatever?
Speaker 6: Well thing from Ghostbusters, right, And.
Speaker 7: Then I had found online too that there's like this
test that you can do where you're looking at a
box and then it has four pictures underneath and it says, okay,
name it from one to four of what you think
the actual picture is in the box.
Speaker 4: And I had a really good I was I was
usually I always the one that I hit number one
was actually the picture in the box.
Speaker 7: So I was like, okay, so this is like seeing
stuff that you can't like it's seeing behind something physically,
but then also something on the computer. And then I
tried it with and I did talk about it in
my first book. There was an experience that I had
with my sister that I said, oh, I want to
try to like look in your room because we.
Speaker 4: Grew up four hours apart.
Speaker 7: And she was like, okay, you can try. So then
I was like okay, And I remember seeing this a
black panther pop into my head and I was like,
there's a black.
Speaker 4: Panther in the middle of your room.
Speaker 7: I was really little at the time, and she was
so freaked out because what she had gotten was this
brand new black pan third table. It's like a vintage thing,
so like from the seventies or eighties, and it has
the glass top on it, and so I was like, oh,
that's so cool. So from there, I thought, Okay, I
don't know if that's remote viewing at the time and
you're doing it across space, but can you do it
within time, like back in time, back into the seventies
or the eighties or something like that. So I concentrated
on a location that I knew that my father was
at when he was enlisted in the Air Force.
Speaker 4: This was San Vito Air Force Base in brandy C, Italy.
They had an an Flair nine radio antenna and this
was a location where you would like there was a
bunch of people that were trained to listen to the
radio waves and try to pick up on, you know,
communications and you know, listen behind the iron curtain and
all that.
Speaker 7: Of course, my dad was always just saying, oh, the
only thing that I did there was swim with the jellyfish,
and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, yeah, right, okay.
Speaker 7: And because later on he would become somebody that had
underground secret clearance and he had a lot of knowledge
with different things that he just wasn't sharing, so.
Speaker 4: I decided to try to like remote view back into time.
Speaker 7: And see if I could see anything that might, you know,
that I could maybe research later to see if it
was correct. And I remember seeing him the way that
he looked in the pictures that I've seen from his
days in.
Speaker 4: The Air Force, and I remember seeing him, you know,
getting up a projector. But that was that was like
all that was about it. So it was kind of
like all right.
Speaker 7: So I go to sleep that night and the next morning,
so nobody knew about this at all. And the next
morning I wake up and I get this message on
Facebook that says, HI, I know that your so and
so's daughter. My husband served at San Vito alongside your father,
and we were really good friends, and I wanted to
get in touch with him, and.
Speaker 4: My blood ran cold because I was just like I
don't know who this person is.
Speaker 7: This happened directly the next morning after doing that, and
it was really it was really crazy. So the book
goes over that experiment and then everything that happened afterwards,
so dreams would happen, real life things would happen, synchronicities.
I mean, it was so powerful. And there have been
other people that say that sometimes when they read a book,
it almost unlocks something for them. So then I kind
of also thought, okay, wait, so if I write out
my experiment that I did, I wonder if it'll like
unlock that and start that process for the people that
read it, like if they might like have that kind
of stuff start to happen. So in the back of
the book there's a bunch of lines, so it turns
into like a journal. So then they can start writing
out if they, you know, if the experiment continues with them.
So I will back up and say that I changed
it from remote viewing because I learned that remote viewing
is more so there's a whole military type of protocol
with blind double blind, which you can speak to right,
because I'm learning all.
Speaker 4: Of this and what I so, what I just talked
about was not remote viewing at all.
Speaker 6: The US government remote viewing was double blind and stuff
like that. My interpretation is, though I would say what
you did was remote viewing. I think a lot of
the mediums that talk to their spirit guides or reach
that we'll call it the Akashak record is basically my
interpretation of like everybody that's remote viewing or a medium
or anything, it seems like you're all just tapping into
this Akahak record and or this ether of information that
that you're able to pull this information from. And I
believe that all this stuff kind of has the same
basis and it's all probably the same thing, and people
just kind of call it different things. Because I had
a I listened to a very interesting interview with one
of the first remote viewers that was trained in this government.
The way he describes it is like talking to his
spirit guides, but he doesn't say it that way. He says,
you know, I, I, you know, tapped into this and
I wanted to just open it up and see what
I could see, and this is how it happened. And
I'm like, this is that My mediums tell me that,
you know, they're talking to their spirit guide asking for
a picture seeing this getting an interpretation how they interpret information,
and it's the same way that the remote viewers are
doing it, and it's it's all just the protocol is
just how you tap into that. And if you ask
your spirit guide to tap into it, or you have
a piece of paper and you draw a line and
you tap into it, or you're blindfolded in a sensory
deprivation tank and you tap into it. Right, all seems
like you're tapping into the same thing. So what you
want to call it, I mean, it sounds like you're
doing the same thing as all the rest.
Speaker 4: Of this, so right right, Well, no, and I appreciate that.
I definitely want to do a little bit more because
then that's the.
Speaker 7: Other thing I haven't gotten to actually speak to anybody,
like like you have the Monroe Institute and people that
do the strict protocoled remote viewing. So I would really
love to be able to kind of like get my
foot in the door a little bit there and say hi,
I'd love to learn from you, because I definitely would,
so that way I could really know more well for.
Speaker 6: Those people listening as well. On May ninth, we have
Christopher Duncan, who was was a military remote viewer trained
by the military the United States government, and he was
the remote viewer that came on to the TV show
Expedition Bigfoot and Ronnie le Blanc looked for Bigfoot and
stuff like that. So that's who he is. And he's
going to be at our convention doing a workshop and
stuff as well as a presentations. Ready to reach out
to if you're interested as well, because he's the one
that I took the classes from over at at a
different convention.
Speaker 4: So oh wow, yeah that'd be great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there you go. So your your first book, Wrong
Way Haunted Inheritance, Now, yeah, pimply get that is in
the show notes for anybody. There's a link to purchase
that on Amazon. There's a couple of different versions of
your books on there, and one of them is out
of print, and I assume that's the first version of this,
so you really I had to get the link directly
from you because I couldn't find this.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's so.
Speaker 7: New, so yeah, definitely, And I can also purchase it
for me if they find me on Facebook, send me
a message and then I can do it like an
author signed one.
Speaker 6: Very cool because your your shop on your website takes
you to the out of print version.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that needs to be updated.
Speaker 6: There because yes, thank you, your website and this book
are in the show notes. But if you click the
website version, it's not going to take you to the book.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I've got some other things i want update
over there too. You know, I'll get to it slow,
but sure, you know, a little.
Speaker 4: Said it could.
Speaker 6: And then when you said that you have your surgery
coming up. But when when can people expect to get
the new book?
Speaker 4: Let's see, I'm going to say I could choot for
the end of May.
Speaker 6: Okay, cool, yeah, awesome, very cool. Well we are live
if you guys didn't know, So if you have any
questions for and throw them in the comments section and
we will get to them.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 6: We had a couple of comments. Amy did leave the show,
but she had some comments here. She learned that Bigfoot
taught her how to hum and what frequencies to sit
in when she did it, and it healed her dog
from a too, So there you go. You're talking. This
was back when you were talking about your father's diabetes.
Speaker 4: And stuff, right right, very good.
Speaker 6: And then she had also mentioned she wanted to know
if the Tricia that you were talking about was the
same one from Flesh.
Speaker 4: No No, so Tricia Michaels. I share some of her
stuff on my Facebook page.
Speaker 1: She has.
Speaker 7: She has a Facebook page, but she kind of does
like transmissions from Archangel Michael and all of that. So
she is an amazing person. I'll have to get her
link and share it out more.
Speaker 6: And let's see here. Lee also says prayers for you, searcher.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 6: So I think I apologize if I miss something. If
anybody has any other questions over here, I think I
had them all. I think I got everybodyce. But if
you have any other questions, let us know before we
wrap things up here. We're coming up on the d
But uh, let's see, so you've had I was gonna
ask you something else about Oh, I want to know.
You're the first person I've heard talk about the reading bones. Oh, Like,
I know a lot of people do it, obviously, but
you're you're the first person on the show that I've heard,
like talk about specifically. So how do you read bones?
Speaker 7: So I have a there's a there's a little like
satchel that I have that has different things, and so
bones doesn't actually all mean bones. So like one of
them is an Irish coin, another is like a little
little tiny plastic baby, another one like I mean, there
is some some bones in there, you know. And and
then like little Trinkett's jewelry, you know, they're just it's
a it's just a whole different trinket set. But you
can take them and usually like and this is the
same thing with runs though, like I'll put my hand
in the little satchel and I grab whatever feels right,
and then you take it and then you just kind of,
you know, like like dice, just kind of throw it down,
you know, and depending on how things fall depends on
how they read. So if you have the baby and
the coin next to each other, you know, this could
be a very you know, fertile time for you, you know,
a time where you're you're in in plenty and.
Speaker 4: You know, so there's just different readings like that.
Speaker 7: But when you are building a bone set, it's very
personal and then you have to really take the time
to figure out what each piece means, what is the
energy behind that one particular thing.
Speaker 4: So if you had a bone set and I had
a bone set, and we both had a I don't
know a let's see a little nessy figurine.
Speaker 7: Well, what it means to you and your set could
be completely different than what it means to mine and
mid set.
Speaker 4: So it's it's very unique to the person who's who's
throwing them.
Speaker 6: Well that makes sense. So it's it's not like you're
like terrort cards you used to you can read other
people's uh, you know, energy and stuff like that, but
this is more just yourself.
Speaker 4: That you're Actually you can read the bones for somebody else.
Speaker 7: So you can reach in, just like with the ruins,
you can reach in and say, okay, I am asking
to read you know this for so and so. And
you can also state if there's a specific question or
if it's just a generalized one, and then you grab
and you throw it and then you read it based
on you.
Speaker 4: Know, how they fall.
Speaker 6: You always see like in the movies and stuff, like
you know the what are Louisiana? You know the Yodo
and stuff, and they take the bag and they shake
them and they throw them down and there's like a
whole pile of bones on the table. Right, how do
you read that? Like if if the the rib bone
or like that, right, right, Like the ruins all have
little ruins on them like a roll card, and I
get that, But how do you read a bone? What
does the bone mean?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: So right exactly, I get enough that.
Speaker 6: See that makes more sense than throwing a bag of
like chicken bones on the table.
Speaker 4: Right, that's so great. I love it.
Speaker 6: Well, that's like that's kind of like you know, like
the the tea leaves or theunds and a cup of
coffee or something, you know, like that's that's always interesting too,
because like what are you looking at? You know, like,
how do you interpret the grounds in the bottom of
a coffee? Have you ever done that or worked with those?
Speaker 4: Yes? Actually so, I but I have a special Tara.
Speaker 7: It's it's a cup and it's sectioned out into the
twelve zodiac signs, so depending on where they are, so
it's it's very it's yeah, a lot easier than just.
Speaker 4: A regular cup.
Speaker 7: But I think the way that they do it with
the regular cups is you just know, like depending on
where the handle is, and then on the left side
to the right side, it's oriented in a specific way,
so that way you can see how they you know
what I mean, See.
Speaker 6: That makes more sense very interesting. Yeah, wow, you talked
about going through like the class of the reiki and stuff,
but how did you go from reiki into you know,
like the reading bones and all the other stuff. Was
that like part of the reiki classes or was that
something that you sought out individually?
Speaker 7: Then so when we went to healing group, Tricia also
had a deck of angel cards, so she taught me
how to use the angel cards, and then she actually
taught me how to use the there's the main traditional
tarot deck and she gifted me that and I was
able to learn how to read like there's this onespread
that uses every single card. I of course have no
idea how to do that now it's been so long
because it's so in depth and it takes so much time.
But you know, also energy and it's one of those
things where when you're reading cards or ruins or you're
doing reiki for somebody, there is an energetic cost to
the person doing it, and so so yeah, so now
I kind of tend to stick to more of your like.
Speaker 4: What are they called.
Speaker 7: Oracle cards, so it's like one to three cards, you know,
or the runs you know kind of a thing.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, so it was just exposure in healing.
Speaker 7: Group to the cards and then I you know, I
learned from there that there were other modalities as well
to to do readings, and being the researcher that I am,
I was like, oh, I want to know all them all.
Speaker 6: That makes sense. And I think I saw on your
website that you do like public readings, like for people
you you help them out with their energy and stuff
like that. Tell us a little bit about the services
that you offer as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I am open to doing. It's donation based reading.
Speaker 7: So if they come to me and they say, hey,
I would really like it if you read my cards
or my runs. There have been people that want more
of spell work, which I'm also open to because I've
got I've got a whole apothecary in the kitchen, herbs
and candles and all that kind of stuff. So I
don't mind at all doing doing something like that for somebody.
Speaker 4: So I do it donation.
Speaker 7: A lot of people have a set amount, but I
love having an energetic exchange. To me, it feels a
lot more pure. I grew up in a very border
and trade lifestyle and so it just feels natural and
like how it should be so. I mean in a
donation could be anything from a hug to we got
to eat lunch or like, you know, whatever doesn't matter.
It's like whatever you feel in your heart that you
want to donate back, you know.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but I love doing that for people.
Speaker 7: When they do, when they do reach out, it's always
fun and you know, it's a beautiful experience for both
of us.
Speaker 6: Very cool, very cool. Well, you have a contact for
him on your website, makes it really easy for people
to get a hold of you. And like I said,
that is in the show notes for anybody as well
as the links for the uh, I'm always going to
mess us up Scotland. I was gonna say Ireland Scotland Tour,
and your book is on there with an incorrect link,
but the correct link, so it doesn't look like we
have any other questions. So that's good or bad, I'm
not sure.
Speaker 4: But it's just the way that the universe is making
it be.
Speaker 6: A lot of comments, a lot of comments, a lot
of great show. Another great guest. Thank you, that's very cool.
But before we wrap things up, what is your one
final thought? What do you want people to take away
from your personal experience? And what you want to put
out into the world.
Speaker 2: Mmmm.
Speaker 4: So okay.
Speaker 7: I think that the biggest thing here is that through
my journey, all the paranormal experiences that I've had, the
research that I've done on what I have found is
the most important is our relationships with ourselves. So I
am somebody that definitely believes in like therapy, not because
of anything being wrong with somebody, but because it can
help you learn more of who you are and where
your path in life is. And then when you have
that good relationship with yourself and you carry that into
the field, that you're working in the field benefits from it.
Speaker 4: And it's one of those things that I have found
to be so beautiful.
Speaker 7: Like Ken and I did a podcast last week and
it was it was so much fun because the person
was asking us are different like belief systems on like
what do you believe mathman is and what do you
believe that it is? And you know, Kin Gearheart is
a science guy, whereas I am the spiritual person. And
our communities really have barriers up. They have this camp
and this camp and they're just constantly button heads.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't have to be that way.
Speaker 7: And I think one of the first steps towards that
is by healing our relationships with ourselves, because then later
on those two camps can kind of let down their walls,
and then if we share research, we're going to get
closer to the truth because we're going to find those
puzzle pieces that we don't have right now because of
those walls being up.
Speaker 4: So that's my.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is those very very true. I think that,
you know, I don't necessarily, like I've said, like, people
think that Bigfoot is interdimensional or terrestrial or something like that,
And I said, well, why does it have to be.
If humans can get in touch with the metaphysical, and
you know, we can astro project and do all this stuff, right,
why does Bigfoot have to be any different?
Speaker 4: I like that. I hadn't see I hadn't thought about
that one yet. I like that very good.
Speaker 6: All this all this stuff has you know, scientific backing,
because even even astro projection and all these multi dimensions
and stuff, that's all science. It all has basis, and
you know, there's more and more scientific data coming out
to back the quote unquotes WU and all this stuff.
There's a lot of fringe out there that might still
be you know, crazy people, but you know, there's still
a lot of stuff that's coming forward that maybe it's
not crazy after all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 6: We all got to have a nice happy meet in
the middle.
Speaker 4: Indeed.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 6: Well, and it has been absolute pleasure meeting you finally
in a one on kind of here as well as
I know we I took Ken's cryptozoology classes and you
were backstage for all the actions there and stuff. But fine,
fun have an interaction have you on the show. So
thank you.
Speaker 4: So it's been an honor.
Speaker 6: Thank you, very cool. I hope to look forward to
meeting you in person someday and hanging out and having
you back.
Speaker 4: Again, so for sure, I would love that. Awesome.
Speaker 6: All right, Well you take care, you have a wonderful day.
Good luck on your surgery and everything coming up. Awesome,
Thank you so much, have a great day. Bye. All right, guys.
That is and she has got her wonderful books out
there for if you're interested in them, you can go
to the show notes and click the link for Amazon
right there and go check them out. Her new book
will be coming out sometime hopefully by the end of May,
she says, so best of luck. With that, and if
you want to go on a tour adventure with her
and Ken over to Scotland, go check the show notes
as well the link for that. The date is changing,
so the date on this is supposed to be the
accurate date June twenty eighth through July sixth, twenty twenty seven.
You can go check that out as well if you
want to go over to Scottland. That sounds like fun.
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