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<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine and one of the greatest hockey

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<v Speaker 1>players to ever play, especially his position. Larry Murphy, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer, joins us. Does an outstanding job as

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<v Speaker 1>an analyst in studio and during games too, on Red

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<v Speaker 1>Wings Hockey, on Ballet Sports, and he's joined us here

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<v Speaker 1>on this Friday morning. Murph, hope you and your family

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<v Speaker 1>are well. How are you, my friend doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>Matt. That's quite the introduction. That's why you're one of

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<v Speaker 2>my best buddies. Thank you, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no worries. You deserve it, that's for certain. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me a little bit about your thoughts on Most Ciders

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<v Speaker 1>contract and why you think it was important for the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Wings to get it done now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, of course, no option but to sign the

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<v Speaker 2>most Cider, And of course the Wings are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid a short term contract. The long term contract gives

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<v Speaker 2>them that it gives them a player, speaking of Cider,

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<v Speaker 2>for the next seven years and actually into his free

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<v Speaker 2>agency PERIODO. That's why the numbers are so big for

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<v Speaker 2>a young player that's twenty three, because a twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>Sider could have become a free agent, but he made

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<v Speaker 2>the decision to sign with the Wings and play till thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>right in his prime hockey years. As you know, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the number one guy back on the blue line,

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<v Speaker 2>plays against the opposition's best forwards. Has really established himself

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<v Speaker 2>as a top defender in the National Hockey League. So

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<v Speaker 2>for the Wings trying to build a championship team, he's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously one of the cornerstones for that process.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you admire as a Hall of Fame defenseman

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and a guy who four cups over sixteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>games played folks for Larry Murphy. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>most sider is going to play that many. I mean, hell,

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<v Speaker 1>he's only played two hundred and forty six in his career,

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<v Speaker 1>but he sure seems like at least a number one

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<v Speaker 1>pairing for the Red Wings. You can look at him

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<v Speaker 1>as as well as anybody. What do you like about

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<v Speaker 1>his game?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Cider plays with He's a big guy, plays with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of grit. He's very difficult to play against.

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<v Speaker 2>Plays a physical game, so the opposition forwards, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>free pass when he's on the ice. If he can

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if he can take a run at ye,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to do exactly that. And he's also a

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<v Speaker 2>very responsible player. That's why, I mean, that's why, that's

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<v Speaker 2>why he's he's the player he is, or as he

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<v Speaker 2>is he's considered, as people talk about him, is that

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<v Speaker 2>he's a go too. He has the ability also of

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what the situation is, whether you're up a goal,

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<v Speaker 2>down a goal, of critical points in the game, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the game, he's he's the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be the first guy that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>go over the boards for the team. So he's he

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<v Speaker 2>plays critical minutes for this team, and it's, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's key, and he does it well. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>some teams are forced to put put players in that

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<v Speaker 2>situation that that maybe aren't so comfortable, but Cider excels

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<v Speaker 2>in that area and and that's uh, I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's why they had to sign up. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he's been, you know, such a great addition to the

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<v Speaker 2>Wings and the play in the first three years, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>comes up great wins. The called her trophy is the

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<v Speaker 2>Rookie of the Year. Second year a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you'd say a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>setback second year James, and then last year boy just

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<v Speaker 2>just continued the Upswing and I guess for me, I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching Cider play as well. I mean, if this

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<v Speaker 2>is only his fourth year, I mean, is this guy

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<v Speaker 2>going to develop into a you know, an annual Norris

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<v Speaker 2>Trophy candidate? Could very well be he's been. Definitely I

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<v Speaker 2>see another more improvement from this season, which bodes well

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<v Speaker 2>for the Wings and they're you know, they're gold to

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<v Speaker 2>make the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer and four time Stanley Cup champ Larry

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<v Speaker 1>Murphy joining us here on Exus and Bros. Steve Eisman

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<v Speaker 1>has gone about his business I think the right way,

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<v Speaker 1>but signing most sider Lucas Raymond, obviously, Dylan Larkin to

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<v Speaker 1>a certain extent, Joe Valento shorter term deal but still

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<v Speaker 1>an effective player on your back six. Uh, what type

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<v Speaker 1>of sign do you think that is sending Red Wings fans?

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<v Speaker 1>With Steve Eisman going about his business.

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<v Speaker 2>This way, well, he's always been and he's always managed

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<v Speaker 2>the cap seemingly well. And he said right from day one,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not you know, he's not going to basically co after,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a thirty two year old player and signed

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<v Speaker 2>him for six to seven years, He's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>handcuff the team's cap by doing that. So he's managed

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<v Speaker 2>it well. Today is comedy. He's had to make some

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<v Speaker 2>tough decisions this offseason because both Cider and Raymond both

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<v Speaker 2>are taking up but you know together that each year

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<v Speaker 2>they're taking up over sixteen and a half million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>of the cap space. So Heisman had to manage. But

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<v Speaker 2>we see guys like Robbie Fabric had to go, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Prawn signed as a free agent, and Sprong's gone and

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta Fear signed to the free agent. These are guys

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<v Speaker 2>that produced offense for this team. But he had to

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<v Speaker 2>make the move, make the decision in order to what's

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<v Speaker 2>best for this team. It's what they a's are gone

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<v Speaker 2>now for the Red Wings where they had a pile

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<v Speaker 2>of cap space and they could actually take on players

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<v Speaker 2>from other teams that were in cap trouble, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the case now now he's you know, they're up against

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<v Speaker 2>it now and he's and he's managed it well. He's

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<v Speaker 2>able to get those two guys signed the long term deals,

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<v Speaker 2>manages to get Caine to come back, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>was critical for this season, without a doubt, Patrick Kine

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<v Speaker 2>coming back, and so he'shumed, He's made the right moves,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's just now it's a boy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they should have been in the playoffs last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean things kind of went off the rails a

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<v Speaker 2>bit at the end of the year and they end

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<v Speaker 2>up losing a tiebreaker for that last spot. But I

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<v Speaker 2>spent matt this year that they're going to be right

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<v Speaker 2>there knocking against these It's not going to be easy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, a Jersey is an improved team, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the Wings also, I mean they kept these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Uh look at Raymond and inside of these guys that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to continue to improve and take on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>take on a bigger role of this team and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>more production.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think they learned about making that playoff

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<v Speaker 1>push but losing the tiebreaker to Washington And what did

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<v Speaker 1>you learn the first time that you were close to

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<v Speaker 1>making the playoffs that maybe helped you the next year

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the postseason.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one thing that helps for a player and for

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<v Speaker 2>the team is playing critical games late in the season, battles,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you become battle tested. And that's the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing the Wings. You know that every game that's this

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<v Speaker 2>is first year in quite a few years. Last season,

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<v Speaker 2>that is last season's first season quite a few seasons

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<v Speaker 2>where these guys are playing really tough, meaningful games. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you learn from that, You've become more hardened.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's no longer a surprise for you. Just

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<v Speaker 2>you're able to deal with the emotions and the pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>So that, I mean, that'll serve this team well going

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<v Speaker 2>into going into this season. And uh, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>best case scenarios is that they get themselves into a

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<v Speaker 2>solid play off position throughout the year and take away that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the pressure of squeaking in at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the best case scenario. But there's a good

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<v Speaker 2>chance because of the Eastern Conference being so tough, that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be baling right to the end again.

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<v Speaker 2>But they've been there before, so they will have that

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<v Speaker 2>to rely.

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<v Speaker 1>On the importance of not having just youth, but also

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<v Speaker 1>having that mix of veteran leaderships or even young veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they don't have to be forty years old

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<v Speaker 1>to lead. You can still be twenty eight to twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've gone through some wars. Bringing in a guy

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<v Speaker 1>like Vladimir Tarasenko, cam Talbot's a little bit older. How

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<v Speaker 1>important is it to have that mix Murph to between

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<v Speaker 1>the young guys who haven't been there before but have

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<v Speaker 1>accomplished a lot personally and guys who have been there

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<v Speaker 1>before and still have an awful lot to add.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's the dream of any team is is

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<v Speaker 2>to have the mix of leadership. You want, the experience

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<v Speaker 2>in the dressing room and then Cider and Raymond examples

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<v Speaker 2>there now where these guys are going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger role in the dressing room in terms of leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>They've you know, they've been through it now for a

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<v Speaker 2>few years now. You know they've never gone to the

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<v Speaker 2>Cup finals or anything, but they they have experience behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you get that balance. I mean you want,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you want raw young energy and you also,

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<v Speaker 2>as you touch on Matt, is it you know you

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<v Speaker 2>want you want the veteran presence, uh, the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>settle things down when you know, when it gets gets

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<v Speaker 2>a little hairy out there, Guys with a lot of experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's got he's got that's got that good mix

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<v Speaker 2>of of players that throughout the line up in that

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<v Speaker 2>in that spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>What what do you think Derek Lallan's been learned uh

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<v Speaker 1>last year that will help him this year as head goat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have more experience behind the bench. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>he's a type of coach that is striving to improve.

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<v Speaker 2>He uh he has you know, hasn't got the team

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<v Speaker 2>to the playoffs yet. I think there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on him this season to do that, even though

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<v Speaker 2>even though the team could theoretically be improved and not

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<v Speaker 2>make the playoffs, which I mean that's a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a sliver of a of an area to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Lulan is well respected by the players,

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<v Speaker 2>real smart, a student of the game. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot more confidence now he's got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got this team to believe more on what he

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<v Speaker 2>has on the on the bench, will come to approach

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<v Speaker 2>it with more confidence this season. He's a smart man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good a key year for him though, definitely for

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<v Speaker 2>in his tender as as coach for the Wings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the division is so much better. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a hard division to try and come out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. I'm interested in this though. You're you're a

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<v Speaker 1>guy from Scarborough, Ontario, but you're a Detroiter. How caught

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<v Speaker 1>up are you in in the Tigers' success recent success

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<v Speaker 1>and and the Lions expectations as a fan?

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<v Speaker 2>Stepping back a little bit, well, it's I mean I've

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<v Speaker 2>been here now, lived in Detroit now for twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's uh, I mean I've been here by far longer

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<v Speaker 2>than anywhere else, even where I grew up, as you

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<v Speaker 2>point out, in Scarborough. Of course you I'm a huge

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<v Speaker 2>sports fan, and the Lion story is really the Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>story is is really intriguing. That's, you know, a team

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<v Speaker 2>that you know left for dead I think a bit

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<v Speaker 2>big of a strong comment, but the team that were

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nobody thought that they could do with they

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<v Speaker 2>what they've done this season. So it's an exciting time.

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<v Speaker 2>And those you know, they've as a team, they've really

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<v Speaker 2>rallied around being the underdog boy. They've obviously played it

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<v Speaker 2>to the to the best. And then and then you

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<v Speaker 2>so hopefully that'll be the case. But yeah, for a

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<v Speaker 1>What would you tell young athletes who have those expectations,

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<v Speaker 1>because look, you've been on teams and you personally the

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<v Speaker 2>I think you, Uh, it's almost the same for for

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<v Speaker 2>you always have to there's always has need to be

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy approach to the game. Dealing with pressure is

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's difficult. That's a situation you'd love to be in.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Wings would love to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where they're considered a threat for the Stanley Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>That comes with it comes up, you've got to handle.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to be able to I guess, push that

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<v Speaker 2>noise aside. Focus on yourself as a player and focus

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<v Speaker 2>on what can I do to increase this this team's chance.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the same winning and losing, But dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure is definitely a different element that top teams,

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<v Speaker 1>You're working out today as usual.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be there. I'll see you there chep watching you

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<v Speaker 2>throw those weights around.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'll Actually, I'll be working at my house today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm skipping a workout day because I'm working on the house,

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<v Speaker 1>replacing some some things that I probably shouldn't because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really not qualified. How much did you enjoy doing TV?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever think TV?

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<v Speaker 2>What's that? Sorry, Matt?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever think you'd be doing I mean as

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<v Speaker 1>a player, did you ever think when I'm done? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get in front of the camera. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a hell of an analyst for somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I it's fell into my lap. Actually at the

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<v Speaker 2>time it was Fox Sports reached out to me after

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<v Speaker 2>I retired and asked if I wanted to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, yeah, this is something that I should

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<v Speaker 2>like to give a try. And I was happy. It

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<v Speaker 2>was perfect for me because if you want, like coaching

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<v Speaker 2>is something that I've been asked about, I want, is

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<v Speaker 2>that something that you wish you had done or something

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<v Speaker 2>that you wanted to pursue, And I said no, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a huge commitment to coach, time wise,

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<v Speaker 2>pure wise, and if I wanted to be a head coach,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd end up having to move taking those steps to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that point you got to. I'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>end up moving coaching a couple of different teams at

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<v Speaker 2>start an assistant coach, and maybe go around America League

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<v Speaker 2>head coach. So, I mean, it was a process that

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't find appealing TV. I feel part of

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<v Speaker 2>the game. It's exciting. I get to watch the games,

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<v Speaker 2>and fortunately it's not my I'm not based on what

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<v Speaker 2>have to deal with that pressure. I just have to

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<v Speaker 2>the sports, so I love being around the players, the excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's you know, being in television gives me that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing before I let you go and weisha a

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<v Speaker 1>happy weekend and a safe one. You have to watch

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<v Speaker 1>games differently because you played at such a high level.

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<v Speaker 1>You played with some of the greatest players of all

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<v Speaker 1>Yagur and so on and so forth, we go on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on, and you were that too. How

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<v Speaker 1>challenging is it for such a high level athlete in

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<v Speaker 1>his sport, among the best the world has ever seen,

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<v Speaker 1>to watch players and and and truly get impressed by

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<v Speaker 1>how good they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well, it's it's I think in terms of that

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<v Speaker 2>being impressed. I mean, I'm the same as probably anybody

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<v Speaker 2>any fan that watches the game and just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you get a good player, you wow. I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're incredible. I had the good fortune, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>fit in that category. I mean, just stuff that you

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<v Speaker 2>know only he could do type of thing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>National Hockey Tague and he kind of go WHOA. When

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<v Speaker 2>you see see the things that he was able able

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<v Speaker 2>to do out there on the ice, it's it's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's amazing. It's no matter where you're coming from,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm amazed when you know, I at the Red Wings,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this time during the season, especially this past year,

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<v Speaker 2>where I see Patrick Kine, I mean to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that missedter impact. I mean, that's to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the type of player. I always tried to be

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that when the chips are on the line,

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<v Speaker 2>that you come through. And I love seeing guys and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, you go sire, go lark, And I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I can go down the list that during the

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<v Speaker 2>season where guys step up and crunch time and produce.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what I love. I find that that

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<v Speaker 2>impresses me to the day. And that's what you tried

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<v Speaker 2>to do if you wanted to be the guy as

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<v Speaker 2>the expression goes, you know, when the games on the

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<v Speaker 2>line can't give me the ball, you know, those are

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<v Speaker 2>the guys that you just love to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Raymond did that for them down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's hope that he and the Red Wings do

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<v Speaker 1>it again this year. We'll be watching all season long.

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<v Speaker 1>Very fortunate to have Larry Murphy breaking it down for

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<v Speaker 1>us on Valley Sports Detroit, and very fortunate for him

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<v Speaker 1>to join us here this morning. Murphy, thanks a lot. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed it as always. You're such a good person,

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<v Speaker 1>a great and you do a hell of a job

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<v Speaker 1>on TV. Thanks for the Hall of Fame insight. Have

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<v Speaker 1>a great weekend, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks Matt, you too. I enjoyed it.