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Speaker 1: More Matt Thomas now on Sports Talk seven ninety Oh.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt that Trevor represents that going, Oh my,

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let be al Shire who's flagged for the big hit

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on the slide and that's going to start a little

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bit of a scrum afterwards as the Jaguars coming to

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protect their QB. Oh my goodness, this deserves an ejection

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in my opinion. Another flag has come down with the

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activities on the bench.

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Speaker 3: But the bigger concern right now is what's going on

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with Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 4: He was taken off the game, out of the game

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on a golf cart. Apparently he is okay, but concussed.

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To no surprise, ejection came for him and a member

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of the Jacksonville Jaguars who got involved in a fight

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and absolutely should have done so. I don't document every

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time Elsie aushar Ear does something. There has been a

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few people that have said that he has had some

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questionable plays in the past. I think there was a

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fight that he threw a punch and during the Chicago

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Bears game, but again, I wouldn't have a long memory

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of Alsie's aushar Ear's history of overly physical play I

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saw his tweet this morning when I woke up, and

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he obviously apologized and said that he had been harassed

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on Twitter, which is what Twitter does, is harassed people.

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So without trying to get too over the top one

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way or the other, it was a dirty hit. It

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could have been avoided. I know the game is fast,

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I know the game is physical. I know that sliding

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for quarterbacks is tough. I know there have been some

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people this morning saying that maybe quarterbacks shouldn't slide, because again,

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it's you're asking to get hit more than you are

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not getting hit. And that's something I think for competition

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Committee and probably just for the for coaches to philosophically discuss.

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He probably should be suspended for the Miami game. But

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and I'm saying this not because I live in Houston,

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Texas or I'm a Texans fanners observer. I'm just telling

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you that one game suspension for this, plus being kicked

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out of the game yesterday, to me, Dan feels like

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an appropriate punishment for set offense.

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Speaker 5: Well it's also too, I mean, you're taking the rational

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approach to this, because what a lot of people do

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in our industry is they want to rush to social

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media and show you just how mortified they are that

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somebody would actually do that on the field and how

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angry they are, and you know, I mean I saw

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a couple of different ones. Like one of them was

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that he should be suspended for as long as Trevor

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Lawrence is still out, all right, why don't you go

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ahead and save that one for another time or maybe

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even just not even use it at all. And another

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one too is kind of like I was talking about

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with the rockets and thunder earlier. I actually saw somebody say, well,

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that's what Houston does. What like, what are the Texans

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have to do with your jones against the Astros? Like what,

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that's what you're allowing for it? And then again, it's

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social media. People just have a license to be stupid,

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kind of like going through airports. I mean, people just

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feel like it's a license to be rude and be

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dumb because there's no accountability for it. But no, I

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mean everything you said is one hundred percent true. It

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was not a good football play. It was a play

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that he knows better and probably hindsight, being twenty twenty,

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he wouldn't try to.

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Speaker 3: Make the hit.

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Speaker 5: But it's also though too it's football like that happens,

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that is going to happen despite your best efforts to

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protect everybody.

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Speaker 4: The forearm was not was not beyond football. That was

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I've got a quarterback or I've got a runner heading

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Speaker 6: I want to I want to make sure he's down.

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Speaker 3: What's his job? What's his job to tackle?

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Speaker 6: But you don't tackle with forearms typically.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to

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slow this down. I don't want to slow it down

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to a microsecond, to say, in the heat of the

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Speaker 6: The case would be.

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Speaker 4: What I want to say was it was if you

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look at it one hundred times at regular speed, at

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fast be at slow speed, it was a dirty hit.

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Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not disagreeing with the way that it

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ended up. Yes, But at the same time, though too,

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his jobs to tackle the defense or the offensive player.

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Speaker 3: That's his job. So I mean, if you want to.

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Speaker 5: Talk about well anymore.

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Speaker 4: Fine, But Dan, you can't say by any means necessary

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it is necessary, which which is I think what you're

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trying to say, bring him down by any means necessary,

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that's not That's the NFL has said, you don't do that.

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If that's the case, you everybody will be spearing people.

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You have to find you have to do it a

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proper way, and if you don't do it a proper way,

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you're going to face a fifteen yard penalty, or you're

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going to face ejection, or you're gonna face I mean

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whatever fines or whatever the case may be. There are

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certain ramifications. His job is to tackle, his job is

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to legally tackle, and that was an illegal tackle that

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forced a significant injury, that forced an ejection from the

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Speaker 5: Well, it's also though too, I mean, for everybody, and

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I'm going to keep it on point, but also to

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the same time, you know, use A different example is

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where was all of this hand ringing last year when

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c J. Stroud's you know, head bounced off the turf

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at Met Life. Nobody was coming after Quentin Williams. No

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nobody was saying that he needed to be suspended as

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long as c J. Stroud is out any of those

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different types of things. So it's like all our selective

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outrage that people will throw out during situations like this.

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More often than not, it's just about the benefit of

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the situation because as he is alshai Er, most people

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have no idea who he is, so of course to them,

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he's faceless, he's nameless, he's all of these different types

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of things that they're going to say, Oh, yeah, no,

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there's no place for that in the game.

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Speaker 3: Give me a break.

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Speaker 4: There was no There wasn't a place in the game.

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There's no place in the game for what he did yesterday.

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Speaker 6: There isn't. I'm sorry, there isn't. I mean, but I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I'm not ready to indict him for the rest of

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his NFL career like some other That's what I'm saying.

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But there there isn't a There is no oops into

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that yesterday.

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Speaker 6: There was no oops to it.

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Speaker 4: That was a ejectionable or ejectable offense.

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Speaker 3: We'll go with it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what it was, and.

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Speaker 5: A jectum find them suspect. I mean, finding's not gonna

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do anything. You know, you're gonna you're gonna have to

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suspend because I mean, this has been yet another offense.

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what was it last year a couple of years ago,

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he he kind of like choked Tom Brady as he

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was going at him on a play. And then of

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course you talked about the Bears game. He had the

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hard hit of Caleb Williams on the sidelines, then throwing

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a punch at a player.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I get that.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's one of those things that people are

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going to look at look for examples of, oh man,

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this guy's a dirty player. Here's an example of how

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he is a dirty player. But it's also though too

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Let the league suspend him and let them handle it

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and let it be done.

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Speaker 3: I mean all of this.

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Speaker 5: I mean I even saw somebody try to say that

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he should be banished from the game, like that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: It is, but I'm not letting one.

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Speaker 4: I'm not letting one fan of the Jacksonville Jaguar is

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given a national tone to this. The tone of this

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should been nasty hit, illegal hit, ejected, probably suspended for

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a game, and hopefully he learned from this. And I

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don't know if you have to go much beyond that.

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And that's where I think the problem is again. When

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you have television and radio and newspapers and fans that

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all have platforms to whatever level degree, you're gonna get

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a variance of answers. There's nothing universal said. I mean,

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there are some people that are defending that's saying that, Trevor. Like,

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I was watching ESPN today and they were talking about how,

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you know that maybe NFL quarterback should not slide anymore

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because you're basically asking for those for two high octane

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athletes to collude. At the same time, Well, we're seeing

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enough of these slide plays in college football. We're not

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seeing we're seeing some collisions, but we're seeing a lot

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fewer than we did, say twenty or twenty favor years ago,

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when there wasn't a slide rule.

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Speaker 5: The slide is supposed to be the I'm giving myself

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up for the play. That's what the slide is supposed

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to be. So then to tell an offensive guy, because

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the rules they are built for the offensive side of

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the football. Maybe so, but also to at the same time,

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have them limit themselves in the way that they play,

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then I'm not going to do that on the offensive

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side either. Again, you're the slide is to say, Hey,

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I'm sliding, I'm giving myself up on this play. I

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am no longer a threat to you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I again I don't. The sport is very, very physical.

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Speaker 4: You and I will definitely agree on that there's no

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right way to do it except running out of bounds.

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Speaker 6: But that's just not how wark.

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Speaker 4: There's a football field and Trevor's trying to get his yards,

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but he also realizes, hey, I got to give myself up.

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I don't want to be in a situation where I

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potentially can get hit and hurt. And an unfortunate happened

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because of any illegal play that forced an ejection of

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a ball game. And I thought the whole on field

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situation was on handled properly. I thought the Texans probably

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should have sent him to the sideline as fast as

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as possible. The Jaguars ran. I mean, it was a

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hot mess about ten minutes.

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Speaker 5: No, it was, And I mean it's an emotional play

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and football is an emotional game, and that's going to

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happen if you don't take the guy out of the game,

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which eventually they did, but it was after there was

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the full on brawl in the field. But two at

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the same time, I mean, Trevor Lawrence knows the risks

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of playing this game as much as anybody. I don't

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think there's a single player that goes on to an

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NFL field and feels like, Hey, I'm going to absolutely

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come off this field and not be injured today. Now

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I'm not saying that it makes everything okay, but also

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to at the same time he realizes it's a mean,

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nasty game.

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Speaker 3: It can be a physical game.

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Speaker 5: And this is one of the things that can happen

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from playing this game.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: So again, my take on this is not trying to

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get into too much of he never should play again,

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or he's an awful human being, or he's the worst

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person on earth. Is he did something that was highly

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illegal and very very dangerous and there has to be

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a punishment that goes with it.

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Speaker 6: That's my take. What is yours?

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Speaker 4: Seven one three two one two five seven ninety seven

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not unfortunate with the hit with disease. It's

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uh and us not what we're coaching. It's just, UH

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want to be smart and everything we do and not

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hurt the team get a penalty there. We just have

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to be smarter when the quarterback is going down. Uh,

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just unfortunate play, not representative of who Asease is. Like,

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you know, we hurt he. We felt his presence not

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being there and that he's lost. It really affected us

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on the defensive side. Just not what we're coaching. I

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didn't want to see the melee and all of the

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the aftermath. That's not what we're about. Just uh, not

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representative of us. So we know, I'll talk to Disease,

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addressing him personally, and we'll move forward from it.

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Speaker 4: Asset answered, I'm you know, I trust him. He going

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to get this figured out. Dimiko wasn't a dirty player.

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He certainly didn't doesn't coach dirty dirty play.

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Speaker 4: And if it happens again, then Alsi's is going to

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find himself in a severe amount of trouble with the

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league now only just the team with the league hurts

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his team by being ejected. But again, I don't know

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Alsie's at all, but my guess is he's not a

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vicious human being. He probably feels very bad for what

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he did, but there has to be a punishment for

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sometimes for even when you feel bad about something and

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you can run to social media apologize, but the NFL's

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will be like your actions speak louder than your tweets.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think you said that anymore, but you can't.

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And that's the thing I mean. He he did deliver

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the apology. You mentioned that earlier, but I mean in

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terms of acting like this is the only time this

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has ever happened in the league, or that this will

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never happen again if you severely punish as he's alshayer,

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I'm sorry, you're not going to get that conclusion.

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Speaker 6: And there's the.

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Speaker 4: Crazy thing about sports is we celebrate late hits and

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pal in sports. What a quarterback gets a late hit

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and the flag comes down, what does the crowd do cheers? Well,

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I mean immediately we used to even more. I mean,

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you know, God, you mentioned the Four Letter Network earlier.

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with you know, all of the issues they've had with

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the head trauma and everything else in the league gets

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kind of now a hey, we've got to get away

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from that. Well, the types of posts we saw yesterday,

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they're not happening as often because there are there are

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coaches in the league and there are players in the

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league that have prepared themselves for situations like this.

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Speaker 6: It's done uneasy, but it has to be done.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, that's the thing though, too is I mean,

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even veteran people who have covered the NFL for a

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long time and are saying that that's the dirtiest and

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worst hit they've ever seen in their entire life.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just don't believe you.

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Speaker 5: Like That's this has been a violent game ever since,

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ever since its inception, and I mean, you're going to

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have plays like this again. That's that's just the way

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that the NFL and just football is in general.

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Speaker 4: Well hopefully not, because as soon as it happened yesterday,

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it was very scary. It was it was just really

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really scary, and I don't ever want to watch a

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football game, thinking to myself, that's the last time I

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saw a particularly athlete walk or talk and chew gum

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any food, And you know.

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Speaker 3: It's just it.

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Speaker 4: It was really ugly the aftermath of it. And oh,

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by the way, I thought, I don't know who said

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it was. It might have been Darryl Johnson had said this,

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I'm all for all that was offsetting penalties. You can't

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offset all that because if the Texans player, if that

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was c. J. Stroud having that happen to them by

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a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars, and you're telling me,

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through all that, through all the fights, through the vicious

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illegal forearm hit, that the play just never happened.

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Speaker 6: That's absurd. There should be.

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Speaker 4: A change in the NFL to say, all right, we

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can offset the personal foul calls, but there should have

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been a penalty on the play for Jacksonville that would

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have advanced in fifteen yards.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, in terms of like actual real time accountability,

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like that's that you've got to make it count for

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something that hey, this is what got it started. I

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understand the emotions afterwards, but that's what I mean. I

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think if nothing else, I do agree with you on that.

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I mean, just go ahead and have that penalty be

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upheld and tell the officials, hey, look, we understand what

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happened afterwards, but we've ejected them, we've given them fifteen yards.

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Speaker 4: Interact the other guys, don't throw extra flags, just get

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rid of them out of the game.

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Speaker 6: And again, if the Texans had CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud had that happen to them, and you get nothing

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out of that except just the redo of the play.

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Football fans would have been would have been really mad.

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And if I was, Jacksonville have been mad too. No,

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I mean, and now Jacksonville to get the first down

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ultimately on the play, I believe, but that was just

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it was absurd, offsetting penalties, offsetting of.

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Speaker 6: What you had.

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Speaker 4: A Jacksonville player came over one to kick Alsi's Ausher's

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ass because he you know, he was trying to, you know,

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not trying to, but he almost decapitated his quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, that's the thing, is I mean, I

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would expect that, Like you said, if something like that

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happened to C. J. Shroud, then yeah, you need to

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have everybody on the field at the time.

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Speaker 4: I don't think well Laramie tells him on there and said,

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let's go. I'm gonna throw hands right now. I would

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expect Larryone Tutsler go, I want to go throw hands.

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Speaker 3: I think that CJ.

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Speaker 5: Stroud would probably, in a roundabout way, expect them to

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as well.

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Speaker 6: For sure.

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Speaker 4: David, Missouri City at ten thirty eight on seven ninety David,

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good morning.

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Speaker 8: Boy, you said beautiful, good morning. Listen. I see these guys.

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I'm old man. I'd be up to the La fitness.

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I see these guys you know, working out stuff, throwing

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fourteen thousand pounds and stuff, you know, and in consecutive workouts.

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Speaker 3: If he had to hit that.

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Speaker 8: Guy underneath that chan, I wouldn't watch football yet they

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could have killed him. If you have to take this

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is not a joke. Football is FuMB. When I see

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nice clean hits, oh wow, everybody, you know, they groups

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see that. You see that and the guy gets up.

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Everybody gets up and continue to play. Say, football don't

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have to be uh what do you call MMA wrestling?

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Come on, stop stop. You don't punch nobody in the faith.

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When these out of bounds and stuff, you gotta stop.

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You don't twist quarterbacks legs, ankles. You gotta stop that stuff.

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The NFL has to get smart and stop this stuff

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because somebody gonna get hurt real bad. You're gonna lose

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a lot of fans, and it's gonna get a bad

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or washer reputation.

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Speaker 3: Reputation.

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Speaker 6: You got me all right, Thanks, thank you very much

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for the phone call.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate. First of all, you're not gonna lose any fans

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short of every game being point shaped.

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Speaker 6: You're not losing fans. Everybody loves the NFL, not going that's.

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Speaker 4: Not nobody's nobody's watching a game yesterday going I'm done

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with football. I mean, maybe they're one person, but I'm

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generally speaking, we all still finish the game, we still

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watch the game. And again, the NFL players generally speaking,

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have done a better job of making sure plays like

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this don't happen on a regular basis. But that's and

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that's probably the part of the reason why there's gonna

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be a suspension, because there has been a trend where

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defensive players have been able to manipulate there somehow some

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way to get away from the quarterback who's sliding.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's also too I mean, you know, one of

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the roles that was implemented this year was the hip

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drop tackle. But the problem is you have to call

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it if indeed, you're going to say, hey, we're putting

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an emphasis on this this year, and you haven't done that.

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They've done They've they've done well enough in terms of

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you know, the helmet to helmet hits, take your head

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out of the play, all those different types of things.

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this all across the board, then if you're really focused

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on player safety, because if that's the case, then it

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needs to be emphasized week in and week out with

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officiating crews. Hey, we're calling that penalty like it's going

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to happen. You have to call it as soon as

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you see it. And this is where I mean the

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increase of instant replay. We see it in the college

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game and I know that people hate it, but it's

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also too as well. I mean, if we're going to

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say that we're going to try to get this right,

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then then get it right.

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Speaker 4: They did get it right last night, though that was

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exactly that was the appropriate call to be made. I mean,

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I know you can go and go to hundreds of

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examples of other problems out there, but what we're talking

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about yesterday wasn't debatable. There was no way in the

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world he should have been able to get away with

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that hit and stay in the football game. Call was

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made right now the hip drop things been, it's been

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a sensitive issue. Joe Mixon would would but would back

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you up on that situation.

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Speaker 5: By the way, Adam Schefter just a few seconds ago,

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it is anticipated that al Shayer will be suspended It's

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just the question is how long will the suspension be?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can't argue that. I just can't.

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It was.

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Speaker 4: It was as nasty as it gets. Again, I'm not

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condemning him for the rest of his career. I believe

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Alsi's Alshier will hopefully never have that happened again. I

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hope this is a huge warning sign for all other

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players in his position and in the situations that in

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and some of it can be inevitable, but that to me,

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at speed, at regular game speed, look like that could

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have been avoided. And that's the reason why he's going

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to be suspended.