WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:17.600 What's going on Clippers fans. Hopefully that weird pause before 2 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:21.320 the live didn't happen. Welcome to Clips and dib I 3 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:24.960 am Chuck Mockler joined by Adam Osland. William Updyke should 4 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.559 be on here shortly. Welcome to the happy hour hang 5 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:31.199 no matter what you're doing getting off work, maybe you're 6 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.000 going to a wood shop class. Who knows. We are 7 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.119 hopefully your favorite Clippers podcast. You can find us at 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:40.240 YouTube dot com slash at Clippers Podcast. We'll be putting 9 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.240 this out for audio in case you missed it. We 10 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:45.759 did not do an episode last week because there wasn't 11 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:47.520 a whole lot going on, and now it feels like 12 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:53.600 there's borderlines some stuff going on. Adam, how are you doing? 13 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.759 As we are fully kind of in the doldrums of 14 00:00:57.880 --> 00:00:58.640 the off season. 15 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:04.400 I don't feel them yet. Still, there's too much attention 16 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.239 just the Clippers way right now to feel like that. 17 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:12.200 And yeah, the waiting period for aspiration and everything, and 18 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:15.560 to attach that also to a Kawhi trade now magnifying 19 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.239 things even more. I don't know. It feels like we're 20 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.200 at the epicenter of the NBA A little bit. 21 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.000 The epicenter, but there's just I think the reason we're 22 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.400 at the epicenters because also it is a pretty egregious 23 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:32.959 situation happening. Yeah, so the the topic of this on 24 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:38.680 the outline is NBA shit housery. Speaking of shit housery, 25 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:46.000 william I was just saying, it's kind of the doldrums 26 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.239 of the off season. Adam said, we're in the eye 27 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:53.599 of the storm. Where do you land between those for 28 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:54.640 the Clippers right now? 29 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.480 Yeah, I'm leaning more adul drums. 30 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.640 The aspiration thing has just gone on for so long. 31 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.079 It's going to continue to go on. 32 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:09.479 Yeah, I get comfortable. 33 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.800 That's what's so frustrating. There was another Pablo episode, this 34 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.520 one about Kawhi and investing in a failed Rhode Island 35 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:21.199 soccer team, which could have told you that, man, don't 36 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:21.840 invest in that. 37 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:25.360 Did they fail? 38 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:31.080 I'm pretty sure I don't know. Yeah, there were some reports. 39 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.240 Are they still. 40 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:35.960 Doing Rhode Island FC for life? Dude? 41 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:42.919 Then again tatted there was some a report that kind 42 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.479 of just felt like something everybody knew, which was the 43 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.159 investigation into whether the Clippers circumvented the cap could drag 44 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.439 into twenty twenty seven. If the parties don't agree on 45 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:56.280 the findings. I don't think they're going to agree on 46 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:57.000 the findings. 47 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:03.159 Nope, call me crazy, right, unless the Clippers are found innocent, 48 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.159 that's the one way this would go away quickly, I think. 49 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.520 But I know that's not with the general public opponent here. 50 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.439 They think, Oh, Steve Balmer, you'd be getting off too 51 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.199 easy that way. And you must have one over on 52 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:22.280 Adam Silver because he's the richest owner of North American sports. 53 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.960 Sure, unfortunately I don't. I'm not pro that, but him 54 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.759 being the richest guy who owns a sports team in 55 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.240 the US is a huge factor. 56 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.719 It's like, what are the other owners want? 57 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:41.080 Yeah, well I don't I don't know. I just want 58 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:42.639 it to be done. But it's not going to be done. 59 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:46.719 And to add to kind of the weirdness of everything, 60 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.680 the Clippers and Raptors are playing a preseason game October tenth, which. 61 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:54.800 In Vancouver. 62 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:56.439 Can they just. 63 00:03:58.879 --> 00:03:58.960 So? 64 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.800 The law though, is handing over its investigation of the NBA. 65 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.759 I mean, if the law firm after ten months threw 66 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.120 their hands up and say there's no real smoking gun here, 67 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.479 I mean there's some smoke, but there's no like, there's 68 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:14.039 no real smoking gun. We don't know what to tell you. 69 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.399 I mean, then couldn't this investigation wrap up pretty quickly? 70 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.800 Because Adam Silver could just be like, well, I don't 71 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.480 know how we I don't know how we severely punish 72 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:26.600 a player or organization if that, you know, we don't 73 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.279 have that like over Obviously the proof isn't beyond a 74 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.680 reasonable doubt in a case in something like this, But still, 75 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.959 if you don't, if you don't establish that direct link, 76 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.399 I don't know, you know, like, are you worried too 77 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.879 much about the public kickback from this? Because I think 78 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.639 most people, especially people in like the more casual space, 79 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.600 who people any basically anyone who's not a Clippers fan, 80 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.480 his you know, they're kind of done with this. They're 81 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.240 over with this. I don't think it would change any perspective, 82 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:00.439 not that perspectives could be much more neg of the 83 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.879 Clippers in the first place. So I think if there's 84 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:09.240 no if they didn't find that thing that like like 85 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:14.199 sort of you know, uncontestable sort of proof, I don't know, 86 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.040 I could see the NBA kind of just throwing their 87 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:18.600 hands up and being like, well, what do we really 88 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.079 do with this? 89 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:27.000 What if there were some ulterior theories or alternate explanations 90 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:32.839 that don't include cap circumvention, Like I don't know, an incompetent, 91 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:37.439 fraudulent company just continuing to pay some of what they 92 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:42.680 owed Kauhi and so that alone is not cap circumvention. 93 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:44.879 Just because they want to pay a guy for not 94 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:49.439 doing anything. That's cap circ convention would be Steve Baumer's 95 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:54.560 intentionally putting money in to funnel to Kauhi. And I 96 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.680 think there's some real theories why that might not be 97 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:58.160 the case. 98 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.839 Yeah, it's in a very long time, uh it. 99 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.720 Whereas I feel like I feel like this, you have 100 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:10.879 the text message that's like we can this is our 101 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.480 this is how we can pay Kawhi more. You know, 102 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.519 if you had that thing, then it's like all. 103 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:15.920 Right, cool. 104 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.519 I don't think this investigation has taken ten months. But 105 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:20.800 if you like, you know, you're you're sorting through a 106 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:23.480 lot of Oh it could be this or maybe like 107 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.120 if you have to draw a lot of conclusions to 108 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:28.639 get to that endpoint, I could see the NBA saying like, 109 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:30.040 I don't know what to do with this. I don't 110 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.480 know how we can like reasonably, I don't know how 111 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.680 we could reasonably punish a player or an organization. If 112 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.720 we don't have that thing, well, the Players Union is 113 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:46.279 one hundred percent obligated to appeal if any punishment comes down, right, 114 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.240 I think from the beginning, I don't know how you 115 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:52.079 punish a player, just like the Players Association is just 116 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.680 too strong, like it, you know, especially if it's not 117 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.959 if he's not involved in like anything criminal or you 118 00:06:58.040 --> 00:06:59.839 know what I mean. Like, I don't know, I don't 119 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.439 know how they would really ever put up with a 120 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.600 punishment that came down on a player, because that kind 121 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.040 of sets a weird precedent. That's that's a bad precedent. 122 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:12.519 Uh, And it's not. There's no punishment. And again, if 123 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.040 the Clippers are found to have done something wrong, punish them. 124 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.720 I think Bamber is the one who should be punished. 125 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:22.000 But absolutely with Kawhi, it's like he's already so far 126 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.199 past the contract. There's going to be no contractual punishment. 127 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.720 People who are saying void the contract, the contract has 128 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.439 already it's overplayed through and I'm this, I'm not arguing 129 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.199 is this a reason for like not to investigate or anything. 130 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:39.120 The contract's over he signed a new contract. You can't 131 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.600 punish him contractually. And if you do punish him contractually 132 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.399 by some like you can't be signed for you know, 133 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:48.759 you can only be signed for a minimum. 134 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:50.879 That I just don't think that just ever happened. 135 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:53.800 I think that, yeah, that will never happen because it 136 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.959 would skew the league and be like, so cowhis for 137 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:58.959 a minimum like that could help it. 138 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:01.439 That would trick a walkout or something. 139 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:04.959 It'd be. I think this question from Caleb Simpkins is 140 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.439 fair because if this does go into twenty twenty seven, 141 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:12.399 which what's going what's going on, what's going on with 142 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:15.519 the players, Like the trade just doesn't happen, so he 143 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:17.199 plays for the Clippers, I think so. 144 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.120 I don't know if he would without a contract extension 145 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.279 because he thought he was getting two years, sixty million 146 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.800 per year, one hundred and twenty total from the Raptors. 147 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:29.759 I don't know, he might hold out or they might 148 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:33.679 want to put him on ice. If this isn't resolved 149 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.080 by then keep him in bubble wrap so he doesn't 150 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:38.960 end up gating in that room. 151 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.639 Nicks the trade, so we're like, okay, don't play brandon 152 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:42.279 Ingram either. 153 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.320 I don't know if they could take brandon Ingram back 154 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:49.960 after trading him and like that would be awkward. It's 155 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:51.720 all bad, I do think. 156 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.919 Just let it play out, Raptors. Just come on, let's 157 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:56.639 wrap this up. Let's move on. 158 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:01.080 Yeah, honestly, let's start shifting this the blame for this 159 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.639 whole thing to the Raptors. We're just kidding. 160 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.759 I just mean on the trade portion of it, because 161 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:12.320 they're clearly the hold up there, like the it's not. 162 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:14.720 What did they like, what did they think causing this 163 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:18.200 at all? It's the Raptors, Thank you, big R. I 164 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:19.440 do agree with this one hund. 165 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:26.720 They did nothing wrong out. 166 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.279 And completely undo this or to run out the like 167 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.840 to run the season with Brandon Ingram after this potential 168 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.919 trade or be it or not be able to play 169 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:36.679 him if he could be involved in a trade and 170 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:39.679 you're gonna start without like one of your top scorers. 171 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.840 I don't know what if they find another trade. I 172 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.240 mean that that's entirely it's just annoying. And that speaks 173 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.440 to what big r R six four is saying, which 174 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.279 is this whole thing is just a nightmare. Accurate. 175 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.919 If they are innocent, they sure got put through a lot. 176 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.519 It just sure feels like time served by everything that's happened. 177 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.720 Here, and according to some they need to they're actually 178 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:10.159 making it messier. The Clippers are actually making it messier 179 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.240 by not That is one thing where I'm like, come on, dude, 180 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.000 Like I get wanting the investigation to be done. I 181 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.000 understand that, but to say the Clippers are making it messier, 182 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:20.600 but what were they supposed to do? 183 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:21.600 That's what? 184 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.039 Stop fighting it? Stop fighting? 185 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.039 Yeah? Like what? 186 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:28.639 Like my truth? 187 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:30.600 That was crazy? 188 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.679 That was Pablo Well if you guys saw that clip 189 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.919 with him on Dan Levatard, but uh, yeah. 190 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.919 It's nuts. Oh we got a Pacer fan in here. 191 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:45.120 Oh yeah, wicked k Pop shout out on getting Kobe 192 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:49.559 Brown for another got another contract? You can thrive. I 193 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.200 was once a member of Kobe Brown Island. 194 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:54.799 Na. 195 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:57.320 I wouldn't say it a little better. I found a 196 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:59.559 boat and didn't tell anyone else, and I pottled myself off. 197 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:07.799 Another rumor that seemed fake? Was it? The Clippers reportedly 198 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:13.080 offered Lebron a one year, twenty million dollar contract. I 199 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.279 don't see it. I don't believe that for a second. 200 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.679 I don't think it's that. Like he's the top twenty 201 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.440 five player in the league. Oh you want if you 202 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:27.840 wanted to stay in LA. There's your opportunity to and 203 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.639 you're gonna sell out every night on a new arena. 204 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:32.840 I just don't think it's that crazy. 205 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:34.879 I get the logic, but I just don't think like 206 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.480 where the Clippers know where they're at. The GM has 207 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.279 said that we're not contenders, like. 208 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.679 It would be just if Lebron wants to stay in 209 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.240 LA with his family. That's yeah, it was he didn't 210 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.200 you like this option, which he. 211 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.440 Did not, which not died. Yeah, you know what we're 212 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.320 gonna be saying at the end of the season, should 213 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.480 have taken the twenty mil with the Clippers we won 214 00:11:55.519 --> 00:12:02.080 the chip. That also would have been an abject failure. 215 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:03.840 If he would have said yes to that, that would 216 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:08.720 have been kind of a nightmare season. Why because the 217 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.840 starting five would be like like Brook Lopez is the 218 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.039 starting center. Like, it just doesn't feel like a season 219 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:15.519 where there'd be a lot of success. 220 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.960 Yeah, Lebron typically makes teams worse, not but like, dude. 221 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:22.720 The vibes would be weird. I would not be. 222 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:25.320 I know a bunch of people don't like Lebron but 223 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:27.879 like to say that they'd be worse on the court 224 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:28.240 with him. 225 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.200 I think is I mean, no, they're not going to 226 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:31.679 go six. 227 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:31.960 And twenty more. 228 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:33.399 That's typically what I care about. 229 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.080 But well, I like season wise we would have traded him, 230 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:38.639 I think because we would not have won. 231 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.639 I think you were known he wasn't going there to win. 232 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.480 If you went to the Clippers eyes are open. 233 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:49.559 Actually that would have been sick senior itis Lebron just 234 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:50.919 like doing whatever. 235 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.360 Would the question to me, when was that offered? Was 236 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.759 that before? Was that to pair him with Kawhi? 237 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:02.799 That's a good call. 238 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:04.120 Because they could have done some damage. 239 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:08.519 I mean, yeah, that would be people would hate the Clippers. 240 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:11.440 The scenario where the Clippers do not get punished for 241 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:16.440 the aspiration and sign, Lebron would be a timeline man. 242 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.279 That would be awesome. Everyone would hate us even more 243 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:21.039 and that would be a lot of fun. 244 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.240 I like what Alex Webb is saying in the chat though, 245 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.159 like it we can't develop young guys and have Lebron 246 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:29.480 on the team. 247 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:31.519 Woggler gets on his workout. 248 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.080 Program, I think you can, Like, that's a vet you 249 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.600 can learn from. Because Lebron's so versatile. He can play 250 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:43.440 any position. It's not like he's gonna he has to 251 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.679 take away the pecking order because you can just slot 252 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:46.720 somewhere else in the lineup. 253 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:48.879 You got Lebron at the one, Woggs at the two. 254 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.960 Sure, great, that's crazy. 255 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.960 Lebron in his seniorite this year, would finally do the 256 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:02.960 dunk contest. He wouldn't out win, but he would do it. 257 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:04.480 It'd be him versus macmacalm. 258 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.080 I'd be more worried about Benedict Mathern next to Keaton 259 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:12.039 Wogler to Lebron. 260 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:18.200 Let's talk about that because now with Benedict Matha in Chicago, 261 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.159 New Orleans are possible suitors for him from the steinline. 262 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.960 New Orleans has been trying to shed Jordan Hawkins contract. 263 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:28.720 If they're succeeding those efforts, they'd be able to open 264 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.159 up some of their mid level exception to offer Matherin. 265 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:39.399 Where are we at on Mathron? What is his AAV 266 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.840 what should he be paid? It's kind of Kaminga esque, 267 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:47.000 not relating the play styles, but contract wise, it's kind of. 268 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:52.919 Like they are kind of similar than on play styles. Unfortunately, yes, 269 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.519 neither one has turned out to be a great shooter 270 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.679 so far. I think Matherin has more potential on that side, obviously, 271 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:05.240 but he kind of is a smaller cominga in some 272 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:10.399 ways he cannot be inconsistent. Yeah, the tunnel vision stuff 273 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.080 is like if he could fix that, but that also 274 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:17.440 could be something innate to like just your basketball, you know, 275 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.000 right view the game. 276 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.879 He's not worth more than a mid level, and I 277 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:24.440 think if you were to offer more than that, that 278 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.279 seems good luck have fun with that. The mid level 279 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.799 is like twelve and a half fourteen. 280 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:33.960 Yeah, it's like fifteen points something. 281 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:40.399 Okay, this is price is right rules. It's closest to 282 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.919 that wrongover. So if he just went over, you're actually wrong. 283 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:45.720 I said fifteen points something, Yeah. 284 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:53.799 It was, I would be like. There's also these reports 285 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.440 that him and Watson are gonna like take the qualifying offer, 286 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.080 which I don't think that's happening. I don't think these 287 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:01.600 guys are taking like sex within a half million dollars. 288 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:06.519 That is horse right, Like it is an empty threat 289 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.080 that Watson would take the qualifying offer if it was 290 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.960 between that and seventy for five years, which some said, 291 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.120 some reported that's what the Nuggets were offering, which I 292 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.679 also don't believe. Maybe, but it's not going to be 293 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.559 seventy over five years. When Christian Brown got one twenty 294 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:26.480 over five years. 295 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:31.200 Yeah, but math math, And I'm like, I'm okay in that, 296 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:33.840 like that ten to thirteen range. 297 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.000 But I think that'd be good value. 298 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:38.639 Yeah, that would be good value. 299 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.919 That would be good And I wouldn't hate it either 300 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.279 because he's so young. 301 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.960 Like, yeah, anything above that fifteen and I think anything 302 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.960 above the mid level is kind of where you where 303 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.279 you're losing me Just. 304 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:52.440 You'd have to be sky on on what you think 305 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:53.440 is development potential. 306 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.039 Is a lot of the advanced numbers do not favor 307 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.679 Benick math right, and. 308 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:04.160 A lot of not advanced numbers too, Like. 309 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.440 Well, I mean people, look, he's a seventeen point a 310 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:10.680 game guy, Like what's the problem. He can go out 311 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.680 and get a bucket. He's had twenty seven points in 312 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:16.279 the NBA Finals game, and it's like, well, they also 313 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.319 would pull him in some of those games because he 314 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:24.279 have some questionable decision making and Rick Carlisle had a 315 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.559 short lease with him, and that's the reason they gave up. 316 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:30.240 And maybe a part of it was just because they 317 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.480 had to to get a beast to box. That's like 318 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.559 I got to attribute some of that injury. Yeah, that's 319 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:40.720 like if you shot fifty percent of the Clippers to three. 320 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:42.160 Neither one of those was holding up. 321 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:50.960 Yeah, I the tunnel vision thing and the team. It's 322 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.839 difficult to play on the Clippers because the team has 323 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:58.319 a lot of shuffling I think, or more has had 324 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:01.519 more so than that recently. Guys have to kind of play. 325 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:05.720 It's like that Mathering to me his place on the Clippers, 326 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:08.079 and I'm not speaking to his ability, but his role 327 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:10.400 on the Clippers is one that's like very It kind 328 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.799 of feels Terence's man esque where it's like it's kind 329 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.359 of like random here and there. And I don't know 330 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:21.559 if he's his game can translate to being good in that. 331 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.839 He also probably wants to be a starter with this 332 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.319 right the way this Clippers roster is shaping up, probably 333 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:31.279 feels like he should be a starter on this type 334 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:33.680 of team. And I could understand that. 335 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:36.759 On the Yeah, for the twenty six twenty seven Clippers, 336 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.279 I can see if you're Matherin being like I should 337 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:40.519 kind of want to be a starter. 338 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:44.480 I just worry about And I gave the example yesterday 339 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:46.759 of his total visions. 340 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.559 Yesterday of course to Big R and the gym. 341 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:51.720 Put him on blast. I'm still interested in him because 342 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.079 of his age. It's it's one thing if you're thirty 343 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.759 five or thirty six and you're Russell Westbrook and you're 344 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:01.319 making the same mistakes over and over again. Matthew is 345 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:06.640 twenty three. But it's the lack of options. When he 346 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.839 has the ball in his hand. It's not going to 347 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.200 turn out with him driving and kicking. Most of the time, 348 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:14.599 even if that's the right basketball play to make, it's 349 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.759 going to be driving and forcing a tough layup on 350 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.799 a double team. Now some of the time it's going 351 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:22.759 to end with free throws, and that's very valuable. The 352 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:23.880 way he was able to get to the. 353 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.480 Line last year. 354 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.759 Yeah, he went through that period after he missed that 355 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.880 three pointer to win the game who is it against 356 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:35.359 Orlando and Kawhi said, hey, keep your head up afterwards, 357 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.359 that was the right shot. It was. That's when like 358 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.680 the three point shooting really took that dip. So I 359 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.559 think some of it was confidence and some of it. 360 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:44.799 He was banged up going back to Indiana and he 361 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.359 remember really disclosed exactly what was happening, but it sounded 362 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.599 like maybe another toe issue going on. I know people 363 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:54.440 don't want to hear that he left those toes. 364 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:59.000 Will got called out directly in the chat honest convo. Also, 365 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:00.720 if you're just listening to the and you want to 366 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.519 watch us, fine us at YouTube dot college at Clippers podcast, 367 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:05.720 Will Yam, let's hear your thoughts on the scenario. The 368 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:07.599 Clippers are found not guilty. 369 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:11.680 We trade Kawhi, we move on. 370 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.200 Look, that's kind of what it feels like. Look at it. 371 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:17.599 I mean, here's the thing, Like this is like any 372 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.440 civil litigation, Like the standard of proof is a preponderance 373 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.839 of the evidence more likely true than not. If I'm 374 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:28.200 looking at this from a bird's eye angle, I'm thinking 375 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:32.799 in eleven months or ten months, if you can't get 376 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:35.920 to the burden of a preponderance of the evidence right, 377 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.319 more likely true than not, then I think, if you're 378 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:40.960 the league, you kind of gotta let this one go. 379 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.680 And I'm so sorry, but like it, I think that 380 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.319 that as much as you might get public backlash for that. 381 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.200 And I'm not saying this just as a Clippers person. 382 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:51.880 I would want the same thing to happen if this 383 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:53.720 were another team, If this were happening in the Lakers, 384 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:57.519 if this were happening to whoever, right Bucks, if you. 385 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:00.279 Can't believe you want that. I don't know about many 386 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:00.839 other people. 387 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:05.440 If you didn't leave that burden improved in eleven months. 388 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:08.000 I think you got to take a hike, man, I 389 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.359 think I think it's time to touch grass and move on. 390 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:16.279 Brother, that's says, uh, take a hike now. 391 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:18.599 I don't know, because I'm not in. 392 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:20.039 I'm not filling. 393 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.920 You. Get a load of this guy, get a load of. 394 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:27.519 I don't know if the law firm also, like if 395 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.960 they speculate on if they did find this, like if 396 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.920 they start to speculate on what a potential punishment could be, 397 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:36.160 or if that gets kicked onto the league, and if 398 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.519 that's the sis the situation where it's getting kicked onto 399 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.319 the league and the only thing that they're considering is 400 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.799 the evidence that they have. Yeah, man, I think they haven't. 401 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.519