Speaker 1: What's going on Clippers fans. Hopefully that weird pause before
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Speaker 1: am Chuck Mockler joined by Adam Osland. William Updyke should
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Speaker 1: this out for audio in case you missed it. We
Speaker 1: did not do an episode last week because there wasn't
Speaker 1: a whole lot going on, and now it feels like
Speaker 1: there's borderlines some stuff going on. Adam, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: As we are fully kind of in the doldrums of
Speaker 1: the off season.
Speaker 2: I don't feel them yet. Still, there's too much attention
Speaker 2: just the Clippers way right now to feel like that.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the waiting period for aspiration and everything, and
Speaker 2: to attach that also to a Kawhi trade now magnifying
Speaker 2: things even more. I don't know. It feels like we're
Speaker 2: at the epicenter of the NBA A little bit.
Speaker 1: The epicenter, but there's just I think the reason we're
Speaker 1: at the epicenters because also it is a pretty egregious
Speaker 1: situation happening. Yeah, so the the topic of this on
Speaker 1: the outline is NBA shit housery. Speaking of shit housery,
Speaker 1: william I was just saying, it's kind of the doldrums
Speaker 1: of the off season. Adam said, we're in the eye
Speaker 1: of the storm. Where do you land between those for
Speaker 1: the Clippers right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm leaning more adul drums.
Speaker 1: The aspiration thing has just gone on for so long.
Speaker 3: It's going to continue to go on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get comfortable.
Speaker 1: That's what's so frustrating. There was another Pablo episode, this
Speaker 1: one about Kawhi and investing in a failed Rhode Island
Speaker 1: soccer team, which could have told you that, man, don't
Speaker 1: invest in that.
Speaker 2: Did they fail?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I don't know. Yeah, there were some reports.
Speaker 1: Are they still.
Speaker 2: Doing Rhode Island FC for life? Dude?
Speaker 1: Then again tatted there was some a report that kind
Speaker 1: of just felt like something everybody knew, which was the
Speaker 1: investigation into whether the Clippers circumvented the cap could drag
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty seven. If the parties don't agree on
Speaker 1: the findings. I don't think they're going to agree on
Speaker 1: the findings.
Speaker 2: Nope, call me crazy, right, unless the Clippers are found innocent,
Speaker 2: that's the one way this would go away quickly, I think.
Speaker 2: But I know that's not with the general public opponent here.
Speaker 2: They think, Oh, Steve Balmer, you'd be getting off too
Speaker 2: easy that way. And you must have one over on
Speaker 2: Adam Silver because he's the richest owner of North American sports.
Speaker 1: Sure, unfortunately I don't. I'm not pro that, but him
Speaker 1: being the richest guy who owns a sports team in
Speaker 1: the US is a huge factor.
Speaker 2: It's like, what are the other owners want?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't I don't know. I just want
Speaker 1: it to be done. But it's not going to be done.
Speaker 1: And to add to kind of the weirdness of everything,
Speaker 1: the Clippers and Raptors are playing a preseason game October tenth, which.
Speaker 2: In Vancouver.
Speaker 1: Can they just.
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: The law though, is handing over its investigation of the NBA.
Speaker 3: I mean, if the law firm after ten months threw
Speaker 3: their hands up and say there's no real smoking gun here,
Speaker 3: I mean there's some smoke, but there's no like, there's
Speaker 3: no real smoking gun. We don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: I mean, then couldn't this investigation wrap up pretty quickly?
Speaker 3: Because Adam Silver could just be like, well, I don't
Speaker 3: know how we I don't know how we severely punish
Speaker 3: a player or organization if that, you know, we don't
Speaker 3: have that like over Obviously the proof isn't beyond a
Speaker 3: reasonable doubt in a case in something like this, But still,
Speaker 3: if you don't, if you don't establish that direct link,
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, like, are you worried too
Speaker 3: much about the public kickback from this? Because I think
Speaker 3: most people, especially people in like the more casual space,
Speaker 3: who people any basically anyone who's not a Clippers fan,
Speaker 3: his you know, they're kind of done with this. They're
Speaker 3: over with this. I don't think it would change any perspective,
Speaker 3: not that perspectives could be much more neg of the
Speaker 3: Clippers in the first place. So I think if there's
Speaker 3: no if they didn't find that thing that like like
Speaker 3: sort of you know, uncontestable sort of proof, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I could see the NBA kind of just throwing their
Speaker 3: hands up and being like, well, what do we really
Speaker 3: do with this?
Speaker 2: What if there were some ulterior theories or alternate explanations
Speaker 2: that don't include cap circumvention, Like I don't know, an incompetent,
Speaker 2: fraudulent company just continuing to pay some of what they
Speaker 2: owed Kauhi and so that alone is not cap circumvention.
Speaker 2: Just because they want to pay a guy for not
Speaker 2: doing anything. That's cap circ convention would be Steve Baumer's
Speaker 2: intentionally putting money in to funnel to Kauhi. And I
Speaker 2: think there's some real theories why that might not be
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in a very long time, uh it.
Speaker 3: Whereas I feel like I feel like this, you have
Speaker 3: the text message that's like we can this is our
Speaker 3: this is how we can pay Kawhi more. You know,
Speaker 3: if you had that thing, then it's like all.
Speaker 1: Right, cool.
Speaker 3: I don't think this investigation has taken ten months. But
Speaker 3: if you like, you know, you're you're sorting through a
Speaker 3: lot of Oh it could be this or maybe like
Speaker 3: if you have to draw a lot of conclusions to
Speaker 3: get to that endpoint, I could see the NBA saying like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with this. I don't
Speaker 3: know how we can like reasonably, I don't know how
Speaker 3: we could reasonably punish a player or an organization. If
Speaker 3: we don't have that thing, well, the Players Union is
Speaker 3: one hundred percent obligated to appeal if any punishment comes down, right,
Speaker 3: I think from the beginning, I don't know how you
Speaker 3: punish a player, just like the Players Association is just
Speaker 3: too strong, like it, you know, especially if it's not
Speaker 3: if he's not involved in like anything criminal or you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: know how they would really ever put up with a
Speaker 3: punishment that came down on a player, because that kind
Speaker 3: of sets a weird precedent. That's that's a bad precedent.
Speaker 1: Uh, And it's not. There's no punishment. And again, if
Speaker 1: the Clippers are found to have done something wrong, punish them.
Speaker 1: I think Bamber is the one who should be punished.
Speaker 1: But absolutely with Kawhi, it's like he's already so far
Speaker 1: past the contract. There's going to be no contractual punishment.
Speaker 1: People who are saying void the contract, the contract has
Speaker 1: already it's overplayed through and I'm this, I'm not arguing
Speaker 1: is this a reason for like not to investigate or anything.
Speaker 1: The contract's over he signed a new contract. You can't
Speaker 1: punish him contractually. And if you do punish him contractually
Speaker 1: by some like you can't be signed for you know,
Speaker 1: you can only be signed for a minimum.
Speaker 3: That I just don't think that just ever happened.
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, that will never happen because it
Speaker 1: would skew the league and be like, so cowhis for
Speaker 1: a minimum like that could help it.
Speaker 3: That would trick a walkout or something.
Speaker 1: It'd be. I think this question from Caleb Simpkins is
Speaker 1: fair because if this does go into twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: which what's going what's going on, what's going on with
Speaker 1: the players, Like the trade just doesn't happen, so he
Speaker 1: plays for the Clippers, I think so.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he would without a contract extension
Speaker 2: because he thought he was getting two years, sixty million
Speaker 2: per year, one hundred and twenty total from the Raptors.
Speaker 2: I don't know, he might hold out or they might
Speaker 2: want to put him on ice. If this isn't resolved
Speaker 2: by then keep him in bubble wrap so he doesn't
Speaker 2: end up gating in that room.
Speaker 1: Nicks the trade, so we're like, okay, don't play brandon
Speaker 1: Ingram either.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they could take brandon Ingram back
Speaker 2: after trading him and like that would be awkward. It's
Speaker 2: all bad, I do think.
Speaker 3: Just let it play out, Raptors. Just come on, let's
Speaker 3: wrap this up. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, let's start shifting this the blame for this
Speaker 1: whole thing to the Raptors. We're just kidding.
Speaker 3: I just mean on the trade portion of it, because
Speaker 3: they're clearly the hold up there, like the it's not.
Speaker 1: What did they like, what did they think causing this
Speaker 1: at all? It's the Raptors, Thank you, big R. I
Speaker 1: do agree with this one hund.
Speaker 2: They did nothing wrong out.
Speaker 3: And completely undo this or to run out the like
Speaker 3: to run the season with Brandon Ingram after this potential
Speaker 3: trade or be it or not be able to play
Speaker 3: him if he could be involved in a trade and
Speaker 3: you're gonna start without like one of your top scorers.
Speaker 1: I don't know what if they find another trade. I
Speaker 1: mean that that's entirely it's just annoying. And that speaks
Speaker 1: to what big r R six four is saying, which
Speaker 1: is this whole thing is just a nightmare. Accurate.
Speaker 2: If they are innocent, they sure got put through a lot.
Speaker 2: It just sure feels like time served by everything that's happened.
Speaker 1: Here, and according to some they need to they're actually
Speaker 1: making it messier. The Clippers are actually making it messier
Speaker 1: by not That is one thing where I'm like, come on, dude,
Speaker 1: Like I get wanting the investigation to be done. I
Speaker 1: understand that, but to say the Clippers are making it messier,
Speaker 1: but what were they supposed to do?
Speaker 3: That's what?
Speaker 2: Stop fighting it? Stop fighting?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like what?
Speaker 2: Like my truth?
Speaker 1: That was crazy?
Speaker 2: That was Pablo Well if you guys saw that clip
Speaker 2: with him on Dan Levatard, but uh, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's nuts. Oh we got a Pacer fan in here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wicked k Pop shout out on getting Kobe
Speaker 1: Brown for another got another contract? You can thrive. I
Speaker 1: was once a member of Kobe Brown Island.
Speaker 4: Na.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it a little better. I found a
Speaker 1: boat and didn't tell anyone else, and I pottled myself off.
Speaker 1: Another rumor that seemed fake? Was it? The Clippers reportedly
Speaker 1: offered Lebron a one year, twenty million dollar contract. I
Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't believe that for a second.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that. Like he's the top twenty
Speaker 2: five player in the league. Oh you want if you
Speaker 2: wanted to stay in LA. There's your opportunity to and
Speaker 2: you're gonna sell out every night on a new arena.
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's that crazy.
Speaker 1: I get the logic, but I just don't think like
Speaker 1: where the Clippers know where they're at. The GM has
Speaker 1: said that we're not contenders, like.
Speaker 2: It would be just if Lebron wants to stay in
Speaker 2: LA with his family. That's yeah, it was he didn't
Speaker 2: you like this option, which he.
Speaker 1: Did not, which not died. Yeah, you know what we're
Speaker 1: gonna be saying at the end of the season, should
Speaker 1: have taken the twenty mil with the Clippers we won
Speaker 1: the chip. That also would have been an abject failure.
Speaker 1: If he would have said yes to that, that would
Speaker 1: have been kind of a nightmare season. Why because the
Speaker 1: starting five would be like like Brook Lopez is the
Speaker 1: starting center. Like, it just doesn't feel like a season
Speaker 1: where there'd be a lot of success.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lebron typically makes teams worse, not but like, dude.
Speaker 1: The vibes would be weird. I would not be.
Speaker 2: I know a bunch of people don't like Lebron but
Speaker 2: like to say that they'd be worse on the court
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 1: I think is I mean, no, they're not going to
Speaker 1: go six.
Speaker 5: And twenty more.
Speaker 2: That's typically what I care about.
Speaker 1: But well, I like season wise we would have traded him,
Speaker 1: I think because we would not have won.
Speaker 2: I think you were known he wasn't going there to win.
Speaker 2: If you went to the Clippers eyes are open.
Speaker 1: Actually that would have been sick senior itis Lebron just
Speaker 1: like doing whatever.
Speaker 2: Would the question to me, when was that offered? Was
Speaker 2: that before? Was that to pair him with Kawhi?
Speaker 1: That's a good call.
Speaker 2: Because they could have done some damage.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that would be people would hate the Clippers.
Speaker 1: The scenario where the Clippers do not get punished for
Speaker 1: the aspiration and sign, Lebron would be a timeline man.
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. Everyone would hate us even more
Speaker 1: and that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: I like what Alex Webb is saying in the chat though,
Speaker 3: like it we can't develop young guys and have Lebron
Speaker 3: on the team.
Speaker 1: Woggler gets on his workout.
Speaker 2: Program, I think you can, Like, that's a vet you
Speaker 2: can learn from. Because Lebron's so versatile. He can play
Speaker 2: any position. It's not like he's gonna he has to
Speaker 2: take away the pecking order because you can just slot
Speaker 2: somewhere else in the lineup.
Speaker 1: You got Lebron at the one, Woggs at the two.
Speaker 2: Sure, great, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Lebron in his seniorite this year, would finally do the
Speaker 1: dunk contest. He wouldn't out win, but he would do it.
Speaker 1: It'd be him versus macmacalm.
Speaker 2: I'd be more worried about Benedict Mathern next to Keaton
Speaker 2: Wogler to Lebron.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that because now with Benedict Matha in Chicago,
Speaker 1: New Orleans are possible suitors for him from the steinline.
Speaker 1: New Orleans has been trying to shed Jordan Hawkins contract.
Speaker 1: If they're succeeding those efforts, they'd be able to open
Speaker 1: up some of their mid level exception to offer Matherin.
Speaker 1: Where are we at on Mathron? What is his AAV
Speaker 1: what should he be paid? It's kind of Kaminga esque,
Speaker 1: not relating the play styles, but contract wise, it's kind of.
Speaker 2: Like they are kind of similar than on play styles. Unfortunately, yes,
Speaker 2: neither one has turned out to be a great shooter
Speaker 2: so far. I think Matherin has more potential on that side, obviously,
Speaker 2: but he kind of is a smaller cominga in some
Speaker 2: ways he cannot be inconsistent. Yeah, the tunnel vision stuff
Speaker 2: is like if he could fix that, but that also
Speaker 2: could be something innate to like just your basketball, you know,
Speaker 2: right view the game.
Speaker 3: He's not worth more than a mid level, and I
Speaker 3: think if you were to offer more than that, that
Speaker 3: seems good luck have fun with that. The mid level
Speaker 3: is like twelve and a half fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like fifteen points something.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is price is right rules. It's closest to
Speaker 3: that wrongover. So if he just went over, you're actually wrong.
Speaker 2: I said fifteen points something, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was, I would be like. There's also these reports
Speaker 1: that him and Watson are gonna like take the qualifying offer,
Speaker 1: which I don't think that's happening. I don't think these
Speaker 1: guys are taking like sex within a half million dollars.
Speaker 2: That is horse right, Like it is an empty threat
Speaker 2: that Watson would take the qualifying offer if it was
Speaker 2: between that and seventy for five years, which some said,
Speaker 2: some reported that's what the Nuggets were offering, which I
Speaker 2: also don't believe. Maybe, but it's not going to be
Speaker 2: seventy over five years. When Christian Brown got one twenty
Speaker 2: over five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but math math, And I'm like, I'm okay in that,
Speaker 1: like that ten to thirteen range.
Speaker 2: But I think that'd be good value.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be good value.
Speaker 2: That would be good And I wouldn't hate it either
Speaker 2: because he's so young.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, anything above that fifteen and I think anything
Speaker 1: above the mid level is kind of where you where
Speaker 1: you're losing me Just.
Speaker 3: You'd have to be sky on on what you think
Speaker 3: is development potential.
Speaker 2: Is a lot of the advanced numbers do not favor
Speaker 2: Benick math right, and.
Speaker 1: A lot of not advanced numbers too, Like.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean people, look, he's a seventeen point a
Speaker 2: game guy, Like what's the problem. He can go out
Speaker 2: and get a bucket. He's had twenty seven points in
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals game, and it's like, well, they also
Speaker 2: would pull him in some of those games because he
Speaker 2: have some questionable decision making and Rick Carlisle had a
Speaker 2: short lease with him, and that's the reason they gave up.
Speaker 2: And maybe a part of it was just because they
Speaker 2: had to to get a beast to box. That's like
Speaker 2: I got to attribute some of that injury. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: like if you shot fifty percent of the Clippers to three.
Speaker 2: Neither one of those was holding up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I the tunnel vision thing and the team. It's
Speaker 1: difficult to play on the Clippers because the team has
Speaker 1: a lot of shuffling I think, or more has had
Speaker 1: more so than that recently. Guys have to kind of play.
Speaker 1: It's like that Mathering to me his place on the Clippers,
Speaker 1: and I'm not speaking to his ability, but his role
Speaker 1: on the Clippers is one that's like very It kind
Speaker 1: of feels Terence's man esque where it's like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like random here and there. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's his game can translate to being good in that.
Speaker 2: He also probably wants to be a starter with this
Speaker 2: right the way this Clippers roster is shaping up, probably
Speaker 2: feels like he should be a starter on this type
Speaker 2: of team. And I could understand that.
Speaker 1: On the Yeah, for the twenty six twenty seven Clippers,
Speaker 1: I can see if you're Matherin being like I should
Speaker 1: kind of want to be a starter.
Speaker 2: I just worry about And I gave the example yesterday
Speaker 2: of his total visions.
Speaker 1: Yesterday of course to Big R and the gym.
Speaker 2: Put him on blast. I'm still interested in him because
Speaker 2: of his age. It's it's one thing if you're thirty
Speaker 2: five or thirty six and you're Russell Westbrook and you're
Speaker 2: making the same mistakes over and over again. Matthew is
Speaker 2: twenty three. But it's the lack of options. When he
Speaker 2: has the ball in his hand. It's not going to
Speaker 2: turn out with him driving and kicking. Most of the time,
Speaker 2: even if that's the right basketball play to make, it's
Speaker 2: going to be driving and forcing a tough layup on
Speaker 2: a double team. Now some of the time it's going
Speaker 2: to end with free throws, and that's very valuable. The
Speaker 2: way he was able to get to the.
Speaker 5: Line last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went through that period after he missed that
Speaker 2: three pointer to win the game who is it against
Speaker 2: Orlando and Kawhi said, hey, keep your head up afterwards,
Speaker 2: that was the right shot. It was. That's when like
Speaker 2: the three point shooting really took that dip. So I
Speaker 2: think some of it was confidence and some of it.
Speaker 2: He was banged up going back to Indiana and he
Speaker 2: remember really disclosed exactly what was happening, but it sounded
Speaker 2: like maybe another toe issue going on. I know people
Speaker 2: don't want to hear that he left those toes.
Speaker 1: Will got called out directly in the chat honest convo. Also,
Speaker 1: if you're just listening to the and you want to
Speaker 1: watch us, fine us at YouTube dot college at Clippers podcast,
Speaker 1: Will Yam, let's hear your thoughts on the scenario. The
Speaker 1: Clippers are found not guilty.
Speaker 3: We trade Kawhi, we move on.
Speaker 1: Look, that's kind of what it feels like. Look at it.
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing, Like this is like any
Speaker 3: civil litigation, Like the standard of proof is a preponderance
Speaker 3: of the evidence more likely true than not. If I'm
Speaker 3: looking at this from a bird's eye angle, I'm thinking
Speaker 3: in eleven months or ten months, if you can't get
Speaker 3: to the burden of a preponderance of the evidence right,
Speaker 3: more likely true than not, then I think, if you're
Speaker 3: the league, you kind of gotta let this one go.
Speaker 3: And I'm so sorry, but like it, I think that
Speaker 3: that as much as you might get public backlash for that.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this just as a Clippers person.
Speaker 3: I would want the same thing to happen if this
Speaker 3: were another team, If this were happening in the Lakers,
Speaker 3: if this were happening to whoever, right Bucks, if you.
Speaker 2: Can't believe you want that. I don't know about many
Speaker 2: other people.
Speaker 3: If you didn't leave that burden improved in eleven months.
Speaker 3: I think you got to take a hike, man, I
Speaker 3: think I think it's time to touch grass and move on.
Speaker 1: Brother, that's says, uh, take a hike now.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I'm not in.
Speaker 1: I'm not filling.
Speaker 2: You. Get a load of this guy, get a load of.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the law firm also, like if
Speaker 3: they speculate on if they did find this, like if
Speaker 3: they start to speculate on what a potential punishment could be,
Speaker 3: or if that gets kicked onto the league, and if
Speaker 3: that's the sis the situation where it's getting kicked onto
Speaker 3: the league and the only thing that they're considering is
Speaker 3: the evidence that they have. Yeah, man, I think they haven't.
Speaker 3: They should absolutely have an idea by now. And if
Speaker 3: the answer is I don't know, then it's it's time
Speaker 3: to fucking move on.
Speaker 1: It's time to go. I would yeah, I mean right,
Speaker 1: that's a totally fair question. But I'd also like to
Speaker 1: what you said, like at the beginning, like what happens
Speaker 1: if they're found not guilty, the trade happens and everybody.
Speaker 3: Move on with our lives.
Speaker 1: Brother, not everybody would move on, but that's what would
Speaker 1: be supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: Would be on Incinnati, I would be Bill Belichick, We're
Speaker 2: moving on peace.
Speaker 3: I think PTFO would be listenable again. You know, I
Speaker 3: could go back because I really love a lot of
Speaker 3: intrastigations and a lot of stuff. Yes, even the beginning
Speaker 3: of this whole say, I was like, damn, this is
Speaker 3: really interesting and if this is true, if they can
Speaker 3: prove that, like this was capture convision, Like one part,
Speaker 3: I was like that was dumb as hell on the
Speaker 3: Clippers part. But at this point, I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I almost recorded a fake promo for
Speaker 1: our Live that was me walking in a backpack because
Speaker 1: like Pablo's last thing was him like walking in a
Speaker 1: backpack and like we're gonna preview the episode, but it
Speaker 1: was like, what are you doing? You can stop?
Speaker 2: And he came out with the shorter one today with
Speaker 2: Henry Abbott talk about the overall situation with owners and
Speaker 2: billionaires and Portland's owner and all that. But they started
Speaker 2: with this and he asked him what he thought, and
Speaker 2: he also kind of wanted to clarify what he was
Speaker 2: angling towards with that episode, because I think he felt
Speaker 2: like he was inadequate with the information he brought forth
Speaker 2: and the conclusions people weren't able to connect the dots with.
Speaker 2: But what he was trying to say there, I think
Speaker 2: he made it overly confusing.
Speaker 1: That one always good when you have to have an
Speaker 1: episode the next day explaining your episode, right, that's the.
Speaker 3: That's like the best jokes. The best jokes are always
Speaker 3: ones that you have to explain after everyone knows that.
Speaker 2: I do feel like he's the Stewie Griffin did there,
Speaker 2: Like do you see how clever I am with this?
Speaker 2: Like he's always doing that with the other two guys
Speaker 2: in the room or marlin z owner and uh what
Speaker 2: does it mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah he was a GM Yeah someone in the chat thing.
Speaker 1: It'll be so lovely to go to bed with your
Speaker 1: voice and have a nice day. We are happy to
Speaker 1: put people to sleep. Thank you for coming here. If
Speaker 1: you need to sleep, go to our adultes.
Speaker 2: Okay, so go to sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the commissioner, I'm like, is not playing around. Dude.
Speaker 1: There's also a third apron now, and that apron is
Speaker 1: take a hike. Uh so Matharine. We're all kind of
Speaker 1: in the fifteen million a year range, I think for
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable with it, because again, the fit is weird.
Speaker 1: I don't think yeah yeah, wise.
Speaker 2: I just I would worry about a player like that
Speaker 2: that isn't a great connector a great passer with a
Speaker 2: team that's trying to, you know, foster some young talent.
Speaker 1: Or outside shooter. Not that he's he's not twenty percent bad,
Speaker 1: but he's I think below league appas.
Speaker 2: So, he shot thirty seven percent like the first thirty
Speaker 2: games of the season with Indiana, and then came over
Speaker 2: with US and shot twenty percent. He's a thirty four
Speaker 2: percent three point shooter. It's about one thousand threes taken
Speaker 2: in his career. His shot looks good. He's a good
Speaker 2: free throw shooter. I feel like it should be better,
Speaker 2: Like he should be above slightly above league average at least.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's taking too many bad ones off the dribble.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Joseph, the award is.
Speaker 2: Here, speaking of bad ones.
Speaker 5: I heard that at it.
Speaker 6: I heard it, bad.
Speaker 1: Man, Joseph, how are you doing? We're talking about how
Speaker 1: much money we want to we would give mathin per
Speaker 1: year or depending on your time limit. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about the current Kawhi situation?
Speaker 7: Well, let's let's talk about both. Actually did we did
Speaker 7: we talk about Yeah? But at the same time, actually
Speaker 7: did did we.
Speaker 4: Talk about what what Denver offered Peyton Watson?
Speaker 1: Yet? I don't think so.
Speaker 5: The report was that it was five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. Which is a reporter that has like
Speaker 2: never broken news before?
Speaker 5: Was it was it Pingalore?
Speaker 2: Uh? Deep cut?
Speaker 5: The current.
Speaker 1: I currently avoid by the.
Speaker 2: Team Jones and Tony Jones is not.
Speaker 4: Tony Jones is not like a bit player. Tony Jones
Speaker 4: has been covering the Dender beat for years.
Speaker 2: If if you want to believe that, like okay, maybe
Speaker 2: six months ago that was their starting point because he
Speaker 2: gave no timeline on when that was offered. And then
Speaker 2: they're waiting for Rich Paul to come in and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: we won our starting points one point fifty five years
Speaker 2: meet somewhere in the middle. Like I could believe it then,
Speaker 2: but I find it hard to believe they'd pull that
Speaker 2: offer out right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The report is not that it's the final offer, it's
Speaker 3: that it they did.
Speaker 5: It started there, It started there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, every negotiation starts somewhere Joseph.
Speaker 4: Double double sign in trade Ben Mathern and Peyton Watson
Speaker 4: five for seventy Who says, no.
Speaker 1: Well, the Nuggets are in the second apron, so they're
Speaker 1: also like, that.
Speaker 2: Makes still have to get out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah in trade, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That makes things infinitely more difficult for what can we But.
Speaker 2: They're like two million overs, so they can get out
Speaker 2: of it pretty easily.
Speaker 5: Can we talk about that for a second.
Speaker 4: The Kronkey's own Arsenal Arsenal who just won the Premier League?
Speaker 4: Why do they care about the second apron?
Speaker 1: About it? That's why we traded Eric Gordon.
Speaker 2: One hundred and ten million more from Eric Gordon on
Speaker 2: the book to whatever that was.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm still not over that, guys. I just want
Speaker 5: to be I want to be. I am still not
Speaker 5: over that.
Speaker 1: Like team wise in a weird spot like they need Watson,
Speaker 1: yes to have any was like I want to retire
Speaker 1: a nugget makes sense, I think mostly based. I think
Speaker 1: you'd retire with whatever team and draft for them, no
Speaker 1: matter the success.
Speaker 2: They are a danger playing paying like two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty million in luxury tax, which would be by far
Speaker 2: the highest ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, first, who cares? Second?
Speaker 4: Do we think Jokic loves Denver because of the demonic
Speaker 4: horse at the Denver airport?
Speaker 5: Do we think there's a connection here?
Speaker 1: I think it speaks right at home. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it speaks to him, but I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: necessarily a connection.
Speaker 4: Okay, does have a similar horse at their airport.
Speaker 1: This is funny from ohso Real super Chat. Five dollars
Speaker 1: no double dipping Adams is two fifty for Chuck and
Speaker 1: two fifty for Will. Uh just kidding, Uh, just about
Speaker 1: the boys or back let's go clippers, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Make sure to death that accordingly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get that figured out with our tax guy,
Speaker 1: our tax guy and Uncle Dennis. It's Uncle Dennis's tax guy.
Speaker 4: Can we okay, can we jump into that? Can I
Speaker 4: get my takes off about the whole Kali situation.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's the whole reason. Is the whole reason
Speaker 5: I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: That's the whole point.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to Railroaders Show. To be honest, you're not,
Speaker 4: but I'm not. I'm also not sorry. No, I'm excited
Speaker 4: to railroaders Show. It's the whole reason I clicked the link.
Speaker 4: I said, oh boy, I get five minutes to talk
Speaker 4: what has bothered me the most. Okay, this last episode
Speaker 4: of Pablo Tory finds out where he's you know, exposing
Speaker 4: the Clippers had zero direct linkages. I mean not even one.
Speaker 4: He's had a couple in the past where there were
Speaker 4: like vague linkages where I was like, all right, whatever,
Speaker 4: it's fine.
Speaker 5: But he continues to talk about these things with.
Speaker 4: A level of certainty that is astonishing to me with
Speaker 4: how much circumstantial evidence he is providing.
Speaker 2: You know, the governor having a private meeting blocked out
Speaker 2: on his calendar is not direct evidence.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, like, okay, here's the deal. Here's my
Speaker 4: main thesis about this whole thing. If we're going to
Speaker 4: dedicate an entire hour too, why did Kawi not announce
Speaker 4: this when we are ignoring the previous five years of recording.
Speaker 4: Considering Kuhi, the most mysterious star in sports, who specifically
Speaker 4: told the Clippers that he needed his own medical staff
Speaker 4: to prevent leaks, that he needed to ensure that the
Speaker 4: stat that the PR team said nothing about where he
Speaker 4: was or what he was doing. That same star not
Speaker 4: wanting to announce what is probably a shady real estate
Speaker 4: deal designed by his agent, his uncle, and an LA
Speaker 4: real estate mogul, totally tracks with his personality and has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the salary cap.
Speaker 2: You mean, you're not surprised that daniel Tice would hold
Speaker 2: up a jersey for the team and Kawhi wouldn't like,
Speaker 2: yeah it's Kawhi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, daniel Tye needs the extra scratch to be pictured
Speaker 4: in a photo for this team. And also I'm positive
Speaker 4: that Kawhi was like, hey, DT, do you want to
Speaker 4: get in on this real estate deal with me? And
Speaker 4: daniel Tye was like, I love the Northeast, Sure, why not?
Speaker 5: I just spent the last five years there.
Speaker 2: I think DT makes it look more legit that there
Speaker 2: was another player that was you know, I think that
Speaker 2: totally works against Pablo's there.
Speaker 4: The other the other part that bothers me is Pabo's like,
Speaker 4: what's the logical explanation of him getting involved in this,
Speaker 4: you know, Rhode Island real estate deal.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's an LA based realtor who was building this stuff
Speaker 4: in Rhode Island and probably does have a relationship with
Speaker 4: Mitch fucking Frankel and Dennis robertson my thing.
Speaker 3: My thing is also too like, Look, if you want
Speaker 3: to go Bob Woodward on stuff, there's there's some shadier
Speaker 3: people who financially you could be investigating that I think
Speaker 3: is potentially a lot more interesting than this. Where's Nancy
Speaker 3: Pelosi's finances? Come on, let's go do something a little
Speaker 3: with a little bit.
Speaker 2: More her stock trackers?
Speaker 3: Lad, yeah, no ship, Yeah, I wonder why.
Speaker 4: But like, I've gotten to the point to where I'm
Speaker 4: not like, oh, you know, he's deranged or whatever, or
Speaker 4: I don't even believe that the Clippers did nothing.
Speaker 5: I'll be honest.
Speaker 4: The Clippers probably did something, and they probably did it
Speaker 4: in the dumbest way possible. But to act as though
Speaker 4: you have the act is though you have definitive fact
Speaker 4: and that there is no other explanation is insane to me.
Speaker 4: Because he also, since Mark Cuban has not had anyone
Speaker 4: on to confront him on any of these things, he
Speaker 4: has just had people like going wow every time he
Speaker 4: opens a fucking Manila folder, and.
Speaker 1: There is I would do the exact same thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, as as I did as the host of Clipset
Speaker 4: for many years. But like, there is a logical explanation here,
Speaker 4: there's a few Aspiration defrauded Steve Balmer and got him
Speaker 4: so entangled in his web that he realized, if I
Speaker 4: loop in Kawhi, either the threat of salary caps for
Speaker 4: convention or making the star happy allows me to continue
Speaker 4: to milk Steve Balmer for millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: This has been my biggest theory. Like, it's not hard.
Speaker 2: He had Kawhi. He thought he might get something out
Speaker 2: of Kawhi with marketing, hence the group designed going on.
Speaker 2: Then they realize he's Kawhi and he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: do anything, but they might as well eat that money.
Speaker 2: They're losing paying to Kawhi because Balmer's putting in more
Speaker 2: and it keeps it closer to Balmer by having his
Speaker 2: star player. Oh think it's that crazy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like it's not that Steve Bamber said, hey,
Speaker 4: I need you to pay him. But also, here's the
Speaker 4: other thing too. He keeps saying Kawhi took a sub
Speaker 4: max extension. Why's nie was literally pulled pork at the
Speaker 4: time he signed that extension.
Speaker 1: And it was a five million dollar sub max extension. Right,
Speaker 1: we're not talking someone who.
Speaker 5: Took Yeah, and he took it. Excuse excuse me, Pablo.
Speaker 4: There is reporting that he took it so that Paul
Speaker 4: George would be influenced by that deal to give them
Speaker 4: more flexibility to be able to chase the championship.
Speaker 2: So that was the reporting that night he talked with
Speaker 2: the media, yes, or after that game, yes, about the
Speaker 2: contract extension.
Speaker 4: I hope this gets back to Pablo because I am
Speaker 4: more than willing to come on Pablo Town for good
Speaker 4: to tell you, well, I know he lays awake at
Speaker 4: night looking for his own name and.
Speaker 1: We're not even that insane about it.
Speaker 5: Like, but that's true.
Speaker 1: If this gets back to Pablo, that would be so
Speaker 1: funny because who emailed this to you.
Speaker 5: Like the white thing probably would have got.
Speaker 1: Back to him.
Speaker 5: You're right if he was actually trying. I was, Look,
Speaker 5: that was a different time in my life. I have
Speaker 5: some regrets for it.
Speaker 1: Was literally almost a year ago.
Speaker 8: But like, it is more frustrating to have the certainty
Speaker 8: that he is discussing this with. And sure, I mean
Speaker 8: I am a Dan Levotard listener, and it's the certainty
Speaker 8: that that show is talking about this with where it's like.
Speaker 5: No Pablo knows and nobody else knows.
Speaker 1: It is also losing his mind.
Speaker 5: Dan is very much Adam's mind.
Speaker 1: Did you see the Lebron Tops thing? So yes, so
Speaker 1: well Will and Adam if you missed it, uh, Dan Levatard.
Speaker 1: So they announced which I didn't know this. They announced
Speaker 1: Lebron signing with Philly via Tops the card company, and
Speaker 1: Dan Lebotard was on his show trying to possibly tie
Speaker 1: the fact that he went for eight million dollars to
Speaker 1: the Sixers because Tops is based in Pennsylvania, so it's
Speaker 1: like this whole like conspiracy and it was like, and
Speaker 1: credit to his co host who was like, what the
Speaker 1: hell are you talking about? Dan?
Speaker 4: Dan frequently says things that are word salads. Okay, so
Speaker 4: and that one of the jokes on the show is
Speaker 4: that Dan is a writer. But what that is, what
Speaker 4: that has become in late stage Levotard show lore is
Speaker 4: Dan says things where he gets lost in the middle
Speaker 4: of saying that, and so I am I listened to
Speaker 4: the show. It is it is very within like very
Speaker 4: much within the realm of possibility that Dan did not realize.
Speaker 9: Where he was in his own sentence and said something
Speaker 9: that he didn't mean, Okay, he has then he has
Speaker 9: since spent the last two weeks being like, I did
Speaker 9: not say that.
Speaker 5: That is not that is not what I said. I
Speaker 5: didn't mean that anyway.
Speaker 1: That's worse.
Speaker 5: Yes, it is worse.
Speaker 4: How do we feel about the fact that there's a
Speaker 4: report that the Clippers offered Lebron twenty million dollars to
Speaker 4: come to LA.
Speaker 1: We already talked about this. We're gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: replay that discussion from earlier. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm like Dan, we have the audio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what I said.
Speaker 5: Don't don't revisit it. It's fine, It's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like whatever, it's dumb.
Speaker 5: Could have been fun.
Speaker 1: It could have been fun. I would sayn is fun.
Speaker 2: Lebron makes teams better. I'm more interested in that than anything.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be a contender, but for one season, it's
Speaker 2: not going to be debilitating for the young guys. I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 5: Would you get the jersey I can get any one Lebron.
Speaker 5: Lebron is my favorite player, So yes, Lebron is like
Speaker 5: my guy. Yeah. I had to put it. I had
Speaker 5: to put it away when he became a Laker. I
Speaker 5: had to like shove that under the rug.
Speaker 4: But before, like the day before he became a Laker,
Speaker 4: I was like a big lebron defender for.
Speaker 5: A very long time.
Speaker 2: When do you move in to Philly?
Speaker 5: I'm not, I'm not. That's I have no interest.
Speaker 1: When are you moving to New York and commuting to Philly?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: When did your chopper?
Speaker 5: We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that John later. Okay,
Speaker 5: that John is like John for another time. Okay, we do.
Speaker 1: Joseph, did you bring dip?
Speaker 4: I told you what my dip was going to be
Speaker 4: if I did end up at the end of the segment,
Speaker 4: I have one more question?
Speaker 5: Can I ask one more question?
Speaker 1: Fine, dude, no dip. All questions?
Speaker 5: Well, it was my questions. Oh here's my real question.
Speaker 4: Why is everybody so certain that the post Kali Clippers
Speaker 4: are not even going to sniff the play in?
Speaker 1: Oh, they're going to sniff the play in.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard that, low low and everybody, like everything
Speaker 4: I've seen is they're going to be terrible.
Speaker 5: It's going to be awful.
Speaker 2: They're gonna releve twenty nine and a half or something.
Speaker 5: It was bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a little surprising.
Speaker 1: I mean the start, it's like the personnel, it's not
Speaker 1: I think I think Tylu is going to have a
Speaker 1: larger the Clippers over under twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm say say that is shocking.
Speaker 1: It is shocking. I can understand it because the uncertainty
Speaker 1: with when Yoni's coming back. He is on the court
Speaker 1: doing some kind of work. No boot in Switzerland will
Speaker 1: He's probably playing one on zero one of our other checkpoints.
Speaker 1: Guys have to hit that's air. You gotta start somewhere.
Speaker 1: You play the chair.
Speaker 5: Like it's cod.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Style. Yeah, twenty nine is twenty eight and
Speaker 1: a half feels kind of low. But I think what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I think Tyler is going to have a
Speaker 1: huge effect. I think people have decided that Tyler is
Speaker 1: a bad coach, which is incorrect, and I think that
Speaker 1: this season is gonna unfortunately, this this the season the
Speaker 1: Clippers are about to have, is going to remind people
Speaker 1: that he is a good coach because his coaching is
Speaker 1: going to win us some games next year. Not that
Speaker 1: it didn't last year, but all of us here I
Speaker 1: think are Tyler is a good coach.
Speaker 2: People Maybe people should look into the twenty one to
Speaker 2: twenty two seasons, so.
Speaker 1: That that was that was fifty years ago, Adam, how
Speaker 1: can we even find those?
Speaker 2: Math was off?
Speaker 5: But eight and thirty seven Marcus Morris mid Rangers to go.
Speaker 5: It was so long ago.
Speaker 1: It was like when Don when Doc would have injuries
Speaker 1: in his lineups and he would kind of have to
Speaker 1: throw something at the wall. It felt like it always worked.
Speaker 1: And I think that Tyler's in a similar situation where
Speaker 1: we're going to see him get to lock.
Speaker 5: In coach, actually have a plan and like really, and I.
Speaker 1: Think they'll win more than twenty nine games. That feels crazy.
Speaker 3: M hm, twenty nine feels that feels low.
Speaker 2: That's live, but they've had so many losing seasons lately.
Speaker 10: Like, come on, guys, I'd buy it now us So
Speaker 10: before Peyton Watson is signed, I would buy that over
Speaker 10: on twenty eight and a half the four Peyton wants
Speaker 10: and it's.
Speaker 1: Signed, we're eleventh last year. If we win twenty eight games.
Speaker 2: If Darius Garland's good to go, I'm feeling pretty confident.
Speaker 4: And by confident, Adam, we mean like eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 4: not seven, like not any Oh, yeah, it is eight
Speaker 4: probably the eight is the absolute Oh my god, they
Speaker 4: have achieved the crazy ceiling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, into it.
Speaker 5: Because we're losing the seven eight, is what you're saying.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean yeah, maybe yeah, Like because when you're
Speaker 11: a team that's the eighth seed, when teams in the plane,
Speaker 11: when it's a one game playoff, throw and throw all
Speaker 11: of your.
Speaker 1: Stats out of the window for the season. Yes, your
Speaker 1: team was a five hundred team. Basically that ship means nothing. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean that in a good, fun, chaotic way. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you what would you take for the over
Speaker 1: for Clippers or for the wind total for Clippers?
Speaker 3: Wait, you mean I'm setting the line here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the line. I hope this gets back to Pablo.
Speaker 2: I like, what did you just say about his wife?
Speaker 3: Thirty five?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think thirty five.
Speaker 3: Going thirty five, I think thirty five and a half.
Speaker 5: You gotta make it at the midway.
Speaker 1: Point that that's still that would still be the eleventh
Speaker 1: seed last year, but close. Maybe that's not the worst thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I could I could go thirty
Speaker 3: seven five maybe.
Speaker 5: Ooh, thirty seven and a half.
Speaker 2: I would have expected something more there, not twenty eight
Speaker 2: and a half or twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight and a half is crazy. That's like that kind
Speaker 1: of feels like easy money, right, I don't.
Speaker 5: Know that's what I'm saying like that.
Speaker 1: It feels way not promoting anyone, no one. Take our advice.
Speaker 5: If you are thinking about if.
Speaker 1: You are Charles Chuck Lockler telling you to smash that over, No,
Speaker 1: we're not saying that at all.
Speaker 4: Take out a second or hammered that over.
Speaker 1: Sell your your the CD player in your car and
Speaker 1: use that money. If you haven't seen D player in
Speaker 1: your car that you're willing to sell, you should actually
Speaker 1: take that bad because you need that.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to be kissing the nine to
Speaker 1: ten seats. Mm hmmm, We're gonna be in the mix.
Speaker 2: We probably still need some injury luck though, because right
Speaker 2: now Darius Garland like that's a little bit up in
Speaker 2: the air with that toe. We need we need seventy games.
Speaker 1: Some of the comments we only over forty two and
Speaker 1: a half summer sheep.
Speaker 3: Others are you think, I like where your heads that Clipper?
Speaker 4: There is he predicting and Michael Porter Junior trade to
Speaker 4: the Clippers what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Because Garland had he didn't. He wasn't playing back to
Speaker 1: backs then, right.
Speaker 5: He said had nine toes to end the season.
Speaker 4: That's what he said, and that press are after the
Speaker 4: after the Golden State loss, he was like, I got nine.
Speaker 5: Toes, man, it's not enough toes.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys know that that's not
Speaker 4: enough toes.
Speaker 3: It seems like plenty.
Speaker 1: I think it's situational. If you lose one toe and
Speaker 1: it's your big toe, absolutely you're you're short. But if
Speaker 1: you lose pinky.
Speaker 4: Pinky, go ahead, sorry, no, go, no, no, The pinky
Speaker 4: is actually just as important as the big toe in terms.
Speaker 1: Of balance, all right, I don't even okay, So we
Speaker 1: lose the one that has to back importance on balance,
Speaker 1: then it's like, who cares cut my middle toe off?
Speaker 1: We'll do it on the screen right now.
Speaker 3: I woke up tomorrow without a pinky toe, would I
Speaker 3: miss it?
Speaker 5: You'd fall.
Speaker 2: We also, we have to give the oldest sharks because
Speaker 2: you bet on the clippers. What a pink just yelling.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, take the second to the last toe.
Speaker 4: You can't take my pinky. I need it for balance.
Speaker 4: Stack the last toe. You got it, my ringte.
Speaker 1: What do I do with my toe rings?
Speaker 2: What about that gift I got?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can wear toe rings on any toe. It's
Speaker 3: not it's not. It's not as bining areas.
Speaker 5: I'll gain some weight and put it on my pinky.
Speaker 4: If I lose the ring toe just getting into gain someway.
Speaker 5: And put it on my pinky.
Speaker 1: That's what happ Why did you gain so much weight?
Speaker 1: I had to put a to.
Speaker 5: It was a gift. It was a gift.
Speaker 4: I also needed to know my moods that.
Speaker 1: The Clippers also they fortified their front court. They made
Speaker 1: a trade for a pick and Johnny Broom from the
Speaker 1: seventy six ers. Seventy six ers, how do we not
Speaker 1: open with this? Jeni, Jeni, excuse me? Clippers traded cash
Speaker 1: and nothing else for Jani Broom and a second round
Speaker 1: pick that should probably be investigated. His contract is guaranteed,
Speaker 1: so that means if he doesn't make the team, he'll
Speaker 1: need to be traded or his money will be on
Speaker 1: the Clippers books. Per law Murray, maybe they're adding them
Speaker 1: into some other trade once the Kawhi trade goes through.
Speaker 1: He's not a very good player, is my main issue
Speaker 1: with this trade.
Speaker 2: We're thin in the front court. Right now, we got
Speaker 2: to pick, and we got a pick a second did they.
Speaker 1: Disclose how much cash? Well, how much cash would you
Speaker 1: pay for a second round pick? Just a second? Person?
Speaker 3: Like this is coming out of my my bocket.
Speaker 1: Adam's over causey says, hey put a lot of aspiration
Speaker 1: stuff behind us. I'm sorry you're frustrated. I get it.
Speaker 1: How much would you pay right now for a second
Speaker 1: round pick?
Speaker 3: However much cash I have in my wallet?
Speaker 5: Three? He says.
Speaker 2: Done.
Speaker 3: If that's what I'm not giving it. I'm not giving
Speaker 3: him my banking information. He's not getting my card number, no,
Speaker 3: whatever you know, routing numbers.
Speaker 1: I'm subscribed to. How many NBA League Pass accounts?
Speaker 5: Now I got the package? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Four kal.
Speaker 1: Like this is like a big preseason for for jan
Speaker 1: I Broom because he could make the team. He's played
Speaker 1: in the G League. He should be a small translate one.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. His numbers are good in the
Speaker 1: G League, better than being bad.
Speaker 2: He's also a lefty, a little bit like Martin Nell.
Speaker 5: He's making the team.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he's as good as Nick Martin.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see.
Speaker 12: The juice, the juice, Yeah right, no, but he has
Speaker 12: like a serious chance to maybe get some time.
Speaker 1: Our front court is incredibly thin.
Speaker 4: Hold on Splash Mountain, Isaiah Jackson and a returning and
Speaker 4: we have a center problem about talking about.
Speaker 2: The seven five Wemby that we got in webby Stopper
Speaker 2: Sharp from Toronto. That's right, and they were upset some fans.
Speaker 2: I saw a Reddit post.
Speaker 1: You know what, all right, I guess we're fine. Honestly,
Speaker 1: let's take that over forty three. Yannick should take his time.
Speaker 1: Thought seriously that that that's totally fine.
Speaker 2: Joseph, how do people not realize that Lebron is still
Speaker 2: a top twenty five player in the league, and maybe
Speaker 2: higher than that in a playoff setting after he just
Speaker 2: got that Lakers team out of the first round. I
Speaker 2: get they just hate him.
Speaker 4: I think that that's number one. I think the just
Speaker 4: general hatred of him and his story and and him
Speaker 4: being more or less shoved down people's throats by ESPN
Speaker 4: and other outlets for his entire career, like no fault
Speaker 4: of his own, right. I think it's also the fact
Speaker 4: that he's always on page one of a book, and
Speaker 4: when he is rapping along to a song that he's
Speaker 4: listening to. He never knows the words, so there's a
Speaker 4: lot of like disingenuous.
Speaker 1: Why did he double.
Speaker 5: He doubled down on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like people always think I'm lying. I said
Speaker 3: that to a.
Speaker 1: Friend eighty one points thing. Yeh, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Here's book the tweet.
Speaker 1: I respect it, dude, that's awesome. I do the same thing.
Speaker 5: I work in mental health and I'm not out, but
Speaker 5: I do want to say.
Speaker 4: The immense pressure that he experienced as a teenage boy
Speaker 4: could lead to some sort of disingenuous aspects of his
Speaker 4: personality to compensate for what he felt like he lost.
Speaker 3: The fact that he's not like a full on narcissist.
Speaker 5: It's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: He has an argument for greatest American of all time,
Speaker 1: and I genuinely stand by that.
Speaker 3: Who's second, damn what greatest American? Yeah, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not going that he was born on the
Speaker 1: fourth of July. Dude, I get that, but he has
Speaker 1: to No, let's not. We're not putting him it too.
Speaker 1: He has a giant issue. I love of Tom Cruise's
Speaker 1: movies and as the president of movies.
Speaker 3: You have to separate religion from the state. That's the
Speaker 3: United States.
Speaker 1: But they're not a religion. You got to separate church
Speaker 1: and state. Brother, he's all state. No, No, we can't.
Speaker 1: We literally can't. Oh that's so funny. He's probably one. Yeah, two,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's there's where you're gonna go a whole colgame there.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, not a god.
Speaker 2: Just because he had the stupid song.
Speaker 1: Obviously I was gonna say the man Randy Savage, but
Speaker 1: he might be Canadian Ultimate Warriors. No, he's American. No,
Speaker 1: he watched I Love America war.
Speaker 2: British Bulldogs get out of here.
Speaker 3: Since we're talking Greatest full time, who do you think
Speaker 3: will finish more? Who will finish more healthy playoff series
Speaker 3: in their career? Jowell Embiid or.
Speaker 1: Probably Joel Embiid just because he's gonna get some more.
Speaker 1: Yannick has two years before they're in a playoff series?
Speaker 4: How many?
Speaker 3: How many series has Embiden not missed a game in?
Speaker 1: Though? I mean, why are we shooting on Embiid?
Speaker 4: I'm just saying future Clipper Joel Embiid, by the way,
Speaker 4: don't dude.
Speaker 2: Also played for Team USA. Great American don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, he's on the list. He's not in the
Speaker 1: probably not in the top ten. Your guys, the top ten,
Speaker 1: freak top ten. I don't. He's missed a fair amount,
Speaker 1: but I think he's hurt. Every playoffs series is the
Speaker 1: issue because I think Janick is going to play in
Speaker 1: one or two play in situations that might not go.
Speaker 3: That counts as a series.
Speaker 4: Those stats are not as the greatest playing player of
Speaker 4: all time.
Speaker 1: I guess Yannick. The Clippers have like kind of a
Speaker 1: lot riding on y being decent at least a starter
Speaker 1: in the India.
Speaker 3: And hopefully healthy. Yeah, hopefully, if not most of the time.
Speaker 4: Sign Peyton Watson step one playing with the five, signed
Speaker 4: the big Serbian step two.
Speaker 5: And by that, I mean.
Speaker 1: We know what you mean, we got that. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I made it clear. So Peyton
Speaker 4: Watson plays in Denver, but sitting here might be close.
Speaker 1: I am realizing, like Yanick, like really, him being good
Speaker 1: is uh that's a big thing for the next couple
Speaker 1: of seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't worried about him being good. Worried about
Speaker 2: him being healthy this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know what those workouts are that
Speaker 2: he's doing already.
Speaker 1: Well, not no workouts he's doing.
Speaker 2: That would be impressive to me.
Speaker 3: On that injured foot.
Speaker 1: Let me check because I thought he posted it on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He's just taking one handed free throws from a Recliners
Speaker 1: playing murder ball. It's like, my David Buster's getting the
Speaker 1: workout in. We're like, you're at what. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's not true.
Speaker 5: That's Papa shot, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's the app deal? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's just like form slow form drills would
Speaker 1: be my guess because the Clippers are also, there's no
Speaker 1: way they don't know what he's doing on court. Of course,
Speaker 1: that video of Wemby almost tearing his acl in that
Speaker 1: soccer game, did y'all see that? No, dude, He's like
Speaker 1: playing pickup soccer in San Antonio, I think, and like
Speaker 1: someone crosses it to him and it's a little out
Speaker 1: of his reach and he extends the kick and then
Speaker 1: he goes down on his knee. It's just an awkward fall,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And like, I don't think
Speaker 1: anything that.
Speaker 5: I am the Spurs. I am on the phone immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Steelers had to Yeah, there was like,
Speaker 1: I can't remember who played for the Steelers who had
Speaker 1: a don't drive your motorcycle clause in his contract Roethlisberger.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: And then he drove it and he crashed it.
Speaker 2: Jeff can't had that.
Speaker 5: Another complicated American.
Speaker 1: Not on the list, not on my list. Not complicated either.
Speaker 1: I think pretty cut and dry.
Speaker 5: America.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Joseph, do you have a dip?
Speaker 5: Let me go get it?
Speaker 3: Grab mine too?
Speaker 1: Can we take a quick technical difficulty at a mile
Speaker 1: fucking vamp?
Speaker 3: You can vamp.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm literally the kitchen.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the honorable thing and admit I didn't
Speaker 2: bring one and not try to whip one up all
Speaker 2: of a sudden like these two guys appreciate.
Speaker 5: Okay, are you ready?
Speaker 2: Are you ready?
Speaker 5: Because I have Adam, thank you. So I'm gonna show.
Speaker 1: Joseph real quick. So sorry. Uh for those of you
Speaker 1: new to the show, if you're listening and you miss
Speaker 1: the live, hey find us at YouTube dot com, slush
Speaker 1: at Clippers podcast. We do a dip in the off seasons.
Speaker 1: We are called clips and dip. When we started, we
Speaker 1: did not do this, and then we got thousands of
Speaker 1: letters delivered via post person, delivered via pigeon. It was
Speaker 1: a lot. So we've added a dip. Sometimes we make
Speaker 1: it at home, sometimes we buy one, and we do recommendations.
Speaker 1: It's based on the name Joseph. You are the guest.
Speaker 1: What is your dip? And would you bring it to
Speaker 1: a barbecue.
Speaker 9: So the answer to the second question is no, unless
Speaker 9: my sweet precious Angel, my sweet baby Jerry was there
Speaker 9: so little little context. My dog has no teeth, okay,
Speaker 9: which makes eating food difficult.
Speaker 5: So for this week is kibble mush okay. So what
Speaker 5: you do is.
Speaker 4: You take some kibble, you soak it in some water
Speaker 4: for a long time, you blend it in a blender.
Speaker 5: You'll put that slop in a bowl. You add a
Speaker 5: little fresh pet on top.
Speaker 1: My dog.
Speaker 3: You do this, we're just wet over, just regular wet.
Speaker 4: Food because you need the nutritional like fibrous grit.
Speaker 5: Got it of kibble.
Speaker 3: I wasn't criticized and I was just legitimately asking.
Speaker 6: Sweet Angel, okay, he needs.
Speaker 1: Do you have a gofund me? Are you doing this
Speaker 1: for cash? What's going on?
Speaker 5: Chuck and I talked about this earlier. Let me do
Speaker 5: my human one. I mean, I'll go get my dap.
Speaker 5: Give me a second, Give me a second.
Speaker 1: Okay, does anyone have a dip for humans? Clips? Some
Speaker 1: human dip? I do?
Speaker 4: I have the wonderful, the beautiful organic times.
Speaker 3: This is I think you brought ketchup on this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is ketchup part two. Bro Okay, moving on, Adam.
Speaker 2: What is soiled? I told you I'm coming clean, just
Speaker 2: saying I forgot my bad.
Speaker 1: Will. What did you bring?
Speaker 3: Charles? Do you have nothing?
Speaker 1: Hell? No, dude, I have a great I have a
Speaker 1: great story behind my selection.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, yeah, I'll go. Let me just let
Speaker 3: me go back into the want me to go? No,
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go.
Speaker 13: Okay, I've been prepping this all day long. His horse,
Speaker 13: all right, wow, big house here in what was a
Speaker 13: thousand steps?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: So my dip is from an Italian brand called Cola Vita.
Speaker 1: This is a.
Speaker 3: This is a pet like an Italian red pepper paste
Speaker 3: kind of a dip. And you can really you can
Speaker 3: add a little olive oil to it. You can like
Speaker 3: really make it like a loose dip. It can be
Speaker 3: like a little chunkier of a situation too. And then
Speaker 3: this bread, I kind of want to I don't. I
Speaker 3: kind of want to gatekeep this. My instinct is the
Speaker 3: gatekeep this, but I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: This is a sour dough chibata that you get at John's.
Speaker 3: It's from a place called Monte Bakery. It comes into
Speaker 3: big slabs, so you do have to cut the pieces
Speaker 3: out yourself. It's one of the best fucking rets I've
Speaker 3: ever had. It's it's incredible, it's it's it's it's a
Speaker 3: lovely bread. So anyways, I'll dip, I'll dip a little.
Speaker 2: That in this.
Speaker 1: Would you bring it to the barbecue?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: This bread?
Speaker 2: You bring the dip to the barbecue?
Speaker 1: Love it? That's great. Shout out John's. Also, John's has
Speaker 1: a wonderful brandy selection.
Speaker 3: They have the best prices on herbs of any and
Speaker 3: their bakery is really good.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I got a recommendation from listener Chris Son
Speaker 1: who saw me at a Dodgers game and then emailed
Speaker 1: the Clips and Dip podcast to ask if I was
Speaker 1: at that Dodgers game and I said yes, And he
Speaker 1: told me that the deli sandwich chips at Trader Joe's
Speaker 1: were back in stock, so I was like, never shop there,
Speaker 1: I'll check it out. I got those and I got
Speaker 1: the Pomento cheese dip from Trader Joe's because I was there.
Speaker 1: The chips are phenomenal.
Speaker 14: They smell crazy, they they smell not good, honestly, like Durian.
Speaker 1: It's just it's kind of like it's just a lot
Speaker 1: the chip. Again, the chips are delicious, the seasoning is wonderful.
Speaker 1: There's a heavy deal presence, but they smell crazy, they're delicious,
Speaker 1: and this dip is phenomenal. I think I brought this
Speaker 1: dip to a barbecue before, but the Deli sandwich chip
Speaker 1: and the pimento dip is on I would say unbeatable
Speaker 1: at Trader Joe's. So that would be that would be
Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, so we.
Speaker 3: Have It was also a good place to go for
Speaker 3: dips because they're they're a snack grocery store.
Speaker 1: They're not food. Trader Joe's is a grocery store for children,
Speaker 1: and I mean that, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Great place. It just doesn't have parking lots.
Speaker 1: It does a horrible butcher The meat there isn't is
Speaker 1: terrible to dude. I've been to multiple Trader shows and
Speaker 1: the butcher is laughable. And yes, Alex Webb, we will
Speaker 1: never forget Robert Flom dipping paper and soy sauce. So
Speaker 1: we were two for four on well, two for three
Speaker 1: on dips. Thank you to Adam for being honorable. Who
Speaker 1: was the one who missed you?
Speaker 2: You missed so badly? You weren't included in the percentage.
Speaker 1: No, you were, Adam, You were respectfully not included in them.
Speaker 2: I accused myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to get more formal with this.
Speaker 2: We should wear robes when we do this distal.
Speaker 1: You are, dude, it's been two weeks. You could have
Speaker 1: taken a video last week.
Speaker 4: If you're eaten the dip his protein powder, yogurt, honey
Speaker 4: dip or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa, that sounds great.
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of chips and walk from.
Speaker 5: I'm not making it to the barbecue.
Speaker 1: It might well, it's not making it right because it's
Speaker 1: so delicious.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I might do an off site dip recording, just like uh,
Speaker 1: just one that we have to just play during an episode. God,
Speaker 1: that would be so stupid. I might do it at
Speaker 1: a restaurant filming the dip. Yeah, someone saying, never seen
Speaker 1: a butcher at TJ's. Do I mean the carnas aria.
Speaker 1: There's also not a carnas aria at Trader Joe's.
Speaker 5: What I don't know. That's not bad. I mean that's
Speaker 5: that's not good.
Speaker 1: I just mean the meat, and the meat in general
Speaker 1: is not very good quality of meat. It's not a
Speaker 1: large section.
Speaker 5: It's not bad compared to what are you? What's going on?
Speaker 5: Where are you?
Speaker 1: The meat at Vaughn's is infinitely better than the.
Speaker 2: Never seen a butcher there? And I agree with that.
Speaker 2: God just show up, are you Trader Joe's.
Speaker 1: Open your car door. I got the meat. I would,
Speaker 1: honestly if there was a guy at Trader Joe's, the
Speaker 1: Trader Joe's Silver Lake in the trunk going, I got
Speaker 1: a better selection than them there, I'd be like, let
Speaker 1: me go in there, and then if I don't get anything,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 5: And I think that you're gonna take a trunk, Rabbi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if there's dry ice in the trunk, for.
Speaker 5: Sure, I'm talking just trunk, just trunk, Rabbi.
Speaker 1: What's it wrapped?
Speaker 3: Is it hot? Aged?
Speaker 2: Hot?
Speaker 5: Age. What is it wrapped in foil?
Speaker 1: Oh foil, I'm probably out. Foyle's got me.
Speaker 3: All the people saying that, like Trader Joe's, we're talking
Speaker 3: butcher specifically grocery store. I'm talking just the meat selection
Speaker 3: isn't bad.
Speaker 5: At Trader joe you're saying.
Speaker 1: It's not bad.
Speaker 3: You you can't even go as far.
Speaker 5: As I eat it. It's the best. It's not the best.
Speaker 5: I've never gotten a wagyu steak.
Speaker 1: We're not talking.
Speaker 4: I've gotten nice. I've gotten a nice, well marbled Trader
Speaker 4: dres before I've had it.
Speaker 5: It's good.
Speaker 3: It's even the way you said it, isn't that.
Speaker 5: No, I don't, I'm not. I'm not going for the brons.
Speaker 3: To the chicken sausages. The Trader Joe's are good. They
Speaker 3: have like a million different flavors, are really good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's something got meat, not red meat.
Speaker 2: That's me.
Speaker 1: Chicken ate meat.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, take your Montana attitude out of here.
Speaker 1: Bro Bro, all right, we have to get out of here.
Speaker 1: Do we have any other thoughts on the Clippers offering
Speaker 1: lebron to No, I'm just kidding. Will. Where can people
Speaker 1: who maybe listen to this episode, and if you listen
Speaker 1: to this whole episode, send us an email at Shavings
Speaker 1: dot podcast at gmail dot com because kudos to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, Alex Webb, I'm saying, Okay, Alex web says, h
Speaker 3: mar is the best, which is absolutely true, like the best,
Speaker 3: the best meat.
Speaker 1: Selection, wonderful meat selection of marinated that's good stuff. We'll
Speaker 1: save a lot of this for the Patreon which doesn't
Speaker 1: exist yet. But we talk about movies, and we will
Speaker 1: talk about uh more before we'll talk about more dip.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about grocery store meat.
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Speaker 3: helps us out. Of course. The best place to watch
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Speaker 1: Adam one positive thing for these fans as we maybe
Speaker 1: come back next week and probably the week after that.
Speaker 2: I think there's a pretty good chance they can end
Speaker 2: with Peyton Watson. I don't think Joseph's crazy about that.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: They might actually need to coat trade to go through
Speaker 2: first so they can get those two first round picks
Speaker 2: and use one of them, but.
Speaker 1: A formality at this point. Surely in fact that.
Speaker 2: No one else has traded for him yet, at least
Speaker 2: me to believe that the Clippers have a shot to
Speaker 2: get Peyton Watson. It's a decent one.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a lot. Thank you
Speaker 1: Joseph for joining the stream. You have nothing to promote.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, so so I have. I have two parting
Speaker 5: thoughts here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, one one.
Speaker 2: Minutes ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did number one.
Speaker 4: Ramona Shelburne reported that the Raptors were fully committed to
Speaker 4: completing the trade.
Speaker 5: We'll fucking do it, you cowards. Two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing stopping them.
Speaker 15: Yeah, to just say yes, guys, to leave comments in
Speaker 15: the chat if I just joined Blue Sky, and I'll
Speaker 15: read him, and that will decide whether or not I
Speaker 15: go back on social media.
Speaker 1: You're gonna let three comments dictate if you join Blue Two.
Speaker 2: If I get two yes's, by the time you get
Speaker 2: there may be a ghost town. Just know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the.
Speaker 2: People start one of these and they all try to
Speaker 2: migrate over there. They don't last that long.
Speaker 1: I think I think the only people on Blue Sky
Speaker 1: live in Portland, Oregon. I think it's only people from
Speaker 1: Portland on Blue Sky.
Speaker 8: Guys, I'll talk to my friends, all right.
Speaker 1: We'll be back everyone. Have a great rest of your
Speaker 1: weekend and thanks for hanging out and yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: Clips