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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.
Really appreciate you joining us. Before I start tonight's show,
as far as bringing the guests on, I wanted to
put a word out there there are two eyewitnesses that
I'd plan to bring on one at a time, to
first one then the other to do the show tonight,
But unfortunately they were lying to me. They're trying to
lie the way onto the show. It's really unfortunate it's
come to that that there's so many people anymore who
are trying to lie their way on to dog Me
and Encounters. But like I've already said before several times,
I mean, if you don't have the truth, you don't
have anything. Now, Sure, there have been guests who've been
featured on the show who probably were lying some I
was pretty sure they were, but I didn't know all
of us can be fooled. None of us are two
legged light detectors. So basically When I got into this,
I made a promise to myself that unless I actually
caught an eyewitness who wanted to be a guest on
the show in a lie, in an actual lie, I'd
much rather play the fool and bring someone on who
actually is lying than to turn someone around at the
door who actually is telling the truth. But due to
how they delivered something when they were telling me about
this or that, I got the mistaken impression that they
were lying, when in fact they were telling the truth.
So I just wanted to put that out for you again,
just to reinforce that point. All right enough on that, Luckily,
I was able to reach out to Brian Terrell with
Red Dirt Cryptids and ask him, with very short notice
if he'd be interested in coming on tonight to do
a show. That way we could still have a show. Well,
I knew that Brian was working on a documentary the
last time we spoke. We talked about that briefly. Well,
when I asked him about that, we put our heads
together in decided we'd bring him on and give him
a good chance to promote that documentary. And in case
he didn't know it, he's also got a dog Man
podcast that he produces now with his partner there Coleman. Naturally,
luckily Coleman's he was willing to come on tonight's show
as well, So it's a two first, it's not just
Brian on tonight's show, Oh, it's Coleman as well well.
Without any further ado, let's bring these gentlemen in here.
Coleman and Brian. Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Hey, folks, how's it going?
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you being here. Brian, You've been featured
on the show numerous times, but for anyone listening, and
there probably are some new listeners who don't know who
you are, please tell us about yourself.
Speaker 3: I live in Oklahoma, I grew up here, pretty much
live in Oklahoma my whole life. Had a few encounters
when I was younger then and when I get a
little bit older, I had my first dog man encounter
and wasn't even sure what I was looking at. Like
a lot of people, I was pretty fortunate though mine
wasn't looking like a van hell saying werewolf. It was
just more like a giant wolf. And for years I
didn't know what I'd actually seen. And uh, but you know,
Eventually I ended up because I was interested in Sasquatch.
I ended up bumbling into the whole dog man phenomenon
and realized that, you know, there was a whole breeding
population of these things out here. So I started read
rit Cryptid Investigations, and I started as a Facebook page
and kind of worked its way up and and now,
you know, basically, we've got a team of you know,
people that go out together and do field research and
we do. We have a YouTube channel, and we interview eyewitnesses,
and we maintain a free to the public database for
you know, dog Man, Bigfoot, and other cryptid sightings in
Oklahoma and the surrounding areas. So that's that's me and
that's what I do.
Speaker 2: How about you, Coleman.
Speaker 1: So I've always kind of had an interest in cryptid
since I was a kid.
Speaker 4: I remember watching a lot of.
Speaker 1: Like the Bigfoot shows and whatnot that we're on TV
way back in the day when I was younger.
Speaker 4: And I love filmmaking.
Speaker 1: I used to make YouTube as my buddies back in
the day when we were young, and it all started off,
I guess we made a short film about Bigfoot a
long time ago, and we always choked, you know, we
should make a big Foot documentary. And so years later
I think, gosh, I think it came out probably three
years ago now, somewhere like that. I released my first
documentary about bigfoot in Oklahoma, and ever since then I
was hooked. And then I knew I wanted to keep
researching and keep having keep researching, keep finding evidence, and
I knew I needed to find a group of guys
that had that shared interest that I had, and then
that's when I reached out to Brian. And ever since November,
I believe of twenty twenty two is when I went
first expedition with Brian and the guys at Render and the.
Speaker 4: Rest is history.
Speaker 1: So now we're just at a recent documentary on Bigfoot
called Listeners from the Woods. It's our newest documentary you did,
and just been having a good time doing research.
Speaker 2: Well, you linked up with a good one. You know,
Brian really knows his stuff, he really does, and something
I wanted to ask you, Brian, I wanted to ask
you this for a while now, after talking with you
as many times as I have, I get the impression
when I do that that of all the field investigators
out there, when things start going sideways, and if you
find yourself in a really intense encounter, you seem to me,
like the last investigator, to just fall apart and not
keep yourself, not keep your composure. Is that an accurate
assessment of how you conduct yourself out there.
Speaker 3: Nobody knows how they're going to whether or not they're
going to be able to keep their bridges dry when
they come face to face with the dog man. But
I've been pretty fortunate that, you know, the sightings that
I've had have been from a distance, you know, But
I have had some close quarters combat situations with wild hogs,
and I used to do predator hunting back in the day.
And yeah, I mean, I would say I'm probably less
likely to probably freak out the near average joe, just
because of all the hunting that I've done and stuff
like that. But like I said, I don't think anybody
is psychologically prepared to, you know, go toe to toe
with one of these things.
Speaker 2: So that's good you said that, because, in my opinion,
there are so many field investigators out there who I
don't think they've put nearly enough thought into how they're
going to respond if things really go sideways. They're so
caught up on I've got to see a dog man,
got to see a dog me in that they don't
think it through, they don't consider the possibilities. Now, I'm
not going to put any words into your mouth Thereic Coleman,
but how much thought have you put into the possibility,
the very strong possibility that you might have a bad
encounter one day with one of these guys and what
kind of effects they might have on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've definitely thought about that, and I know, I
mean I've had conversations with Brian even a few times
where we've talked about whether it be dog Man or
sasquatch or any cryptid. It's like, you know, you hear
all the stories of people having real PTSD and real
trauma from these encounters that they have where they see
these creatures, and especially during like a Class A siding,
and you know, always asking, you know, what what if
we actually you know, we get I mean, I believe
I've had glimpses of these creatures during our research expeditions,
for sure, but when it comes to like a class
A full clear as day close encounter, I haven't had
a chance to have that really yet. I do ask myself.
You know, am I really prepared for that? Like, you know,
it's easier said than done to go on a podcast
or talk to other people who are into this stuff
and you know, say how much help cool would.
Speaker 4: Be to see one of these things or whatever.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to actually, you know, dealing with
the fact that, you know, am I mentally capable of
handling up seeing it seven foot eight foot nine foot
tall werewolf looking like creature? You know, you really have
to be honest with yourself there, especially like you were saying,
if it's a more violent encounter or aggressive, you know
you do if you're going to research this, I think
you definitely have to consider those things and make sure
you're mentally prepared for that as much as you can be.
Speaker 2: I figured you'd already considered all those things. It's just
good to hear the fact that you have. You definitely
have considered all these things, and that's not going to
blind side I'm wondering, though I know Brian has, but
if you ever spoken with an eyewitness, is really a
red zone case where they've been really rattled by a
very traumatic dog me an encounter. So you've had the
opportunity to see firsthand how an encounter like that can
affect someone.
Speaker 1: Yes, actually one that always comes to mind is this case.
Me and Brian investigated where we Brian had an individual
reach out to him and this was in northeastern Oklahoma.
And obviously we can't reveal you know, individual's name or
exact location or whatever. It was in northeast Oklahoma, and Brian,
I believe, has a video of it on the YouTube
channel too as well, where we interviewed this person. He
was off camera, but pretty much long story short, you know,
meeting him, he's just I know you always hear that
a lot. People always say, look, he was just a
regular guy. But like truly genuinely, this was a regular, nice, kind,
well mannered person, you know, just some you know, just
a normal everyday person that you would expect to see
just you know, in your day to day business or whatever.
Just a normal nice guy. And he's, like I said,
a younger guy. He's closer to my age, you know,
in his twenties, I would assume. And he told us
this story of if I remember, and I'm you know,
I'm going based off memory here, so some details, you know,
maybe a little vague, but pretty much long story short.
Speaker 4: When he was My understanding was when he was a child,
when he was young, he had this.
Speaker 1: He looked out his window. I believe he woke up
in the middle of night. He looked out his window
and he saw the dark silhouette but still clear outline
of essentially a dog man. And I believe it was
moving in all fours at first, and then it got
near his family's driveway and he saw this thing stand up.
And he talked about the long, exaggerated twenty years that
you know, you hear about a lot and when it
comes to these encounters, and his voice started to shake,
and you can just tell it it still bugged him
talking about it and remembering that even all those years
back as a kid, you know, just you can hear
it in his voice, how it disturbed him and now
it really changed him, I guess you could say. And
so I always think back to that encounter for sure
when I think of, you know, dog man encounters that
really stick out to me that I remember. I will
always remember for sure talking to that person and him
sharing his story.
Speaker 2: That's a good experience for you to have. It's just
going to make you that much more effective of an investigator.
It really is, as Brian knows. As you know now, Coleman,
people get into investigating dog men for all sorts of reasons. Unfortunately,
too many people get into researching them, investigating them for
the neat factor. They think, Oh, it would be so
neat to have an encounter with one of these guys.
I wasn't going to put this out there, but I
think I am. I spoke with an eyewitness. He was
actually a guest on the show over a year ago,
and I spoke with him a little over a week
ago and unfortunately found out that his father passed away,
quite possibly due to having a dog man induced heart attack.
I'm not going to reveal too many details. I'm gonna
kind of walk on eggshells here, so I apologize if
I stumble trying to be really careful here. But the
gist of it is, this dog man eyewitnesses brother had
been talking with their dad that night. They were playing
video games via telephone. Well, the dad was playing video games,
the brother of this dogman eyewitness was playing video games.
They're playing together and communicating over the phone while they
were doing that. Well, later on that night, after the
two had finished playing video games, it seemed like any
other night. They hung up and it seemed like okay,
a rap for another night. Well, unfortunately, this eyewitness when
he didn't hear back from his father, unfortunately, he just
had that feeling that something wasn't right. I'm not going
to go into any more details and just say that
he got the feeling that something wasn't right. His dad
wouldn't answer phone calls or anything like that the way
he would normally do, so he decided to head over
to his dad's house and unfortunately found out that his
father had passed well. Once the county had done their
autopsy on his father, they found out that he had
passed away due to a heart attack. Well, I'm not
going to give too many details, but I mean, the
gentleman didn't have any medical history that would support the
idea of him being a likely candidate for having a
heart attack. There were certain things that this dog man
eyewitness found, however, that point towards it being a dog
man that his father had told him about coming around
his house way out in the country. He lived all alone,
way out in the country, and no one else around.
All I'm going to say is this eyewitness he had
been speaking with his father. He had spoken with him
multiple times about this dog man that kept coming around
his property, his house, messing with things and indirectly messing
with him. So again I apologize for not being able
to go into more details, more specifics. But when he
found his father, every indication was that his father had
been looking out one of his windows, seen the dog
man and had a heart attack. We don't know for sure. Again,
truth be told, we don't know for sure that that's
what caused his heart attack, But I will tell you this.
I speak with so many dogmen eyewitnesses, and because that
it takes a lot for an encounter to move the needle.
But that right there is something I've been thinking about
for ever since I spoke with him a little over
a week ago. It just sticks with you, it really does.
So if you're out there and you're one of those
people who thinks it would be neat to go out
and investigate these guys, because oh, it'd be so neat
to have an encounter with one of these guys, please
keep in mind this is not fun and games. There
can be some serious fallout whenever you're around these guys,
So please put a lot of thought into whether you
really want to go out and do this or not.
Of course, the two gentlemen I have here, they've already
thought about all that. They've thought that through. But there
are a lot of people out there. I get the
impression there are a lot of people out there who haven't.
So that's why I'm sharing this with you. Please do
keep that in mind. Now, having said all that, before
we get into talking about your documentary, what can you
tell us about this new Dogman show that you two produce.
Speaker 3: Well, we were sitting around and by the way, uh, man,
that's that's terrible, and uh, you know, I feel my
heart goes out to the guy and you know, if
he's anywhere close to us, you know, he can reach
out to us and maybe maybe we can help him
or something. I don't I don't know anything we can do.
But no, we we started this. We're sitting around the
campfire and uh, we were talking and I think you
and I have had similar conversations big about you know,
our our frustrations with you know, the dog man community,
how there's a lack of physical evidence out there. How
I think we think that a lot of it gets
overlooked as normal, you know, dog sign stuff like that,
and uh, you know, and I was looking for credible
people and you know, I think I even reached out
to you one time asking about, you know, credible people
doing scientific type work, forensic type work in the dog
Man community. And we you know, and so we're sitting
there on the campfire, we decided, you know, well, maybe
maybe we need to do something about that. Maybe we
need to start start like a little pre recorded it's
I don't know what you'd call it a podcast or
what you'd call what The dog Man Files is, but
it's a it's a pre recorded YouTube show where myself, Coleman,
Eric Schrader, and Scottie Routemaker all all guys on my team.
You know, we get together and we talk about dog
Man and we have guests on or we're hoping to
have you on pretty soon. And basically we we take
certain dog Man issues and we address it. Our very
first one was was actually about the lot and werewolf
and h strange story. There was a man there in
Lawton back in what was it, Coleman seventy two or
seventy four when the Lawton werewolf thing happened.
Speaker 4: I want to say seventy two. I could you're wrong
on that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, and he saw I know this is going
to sound weird, but he saw one through his living
room window and he had a heart attack and ended
up in the hospital, but he survived and he told
the story. So it was kind of kind of weird
that you mentioned that. But anyway, we talked about a
couple of things. We went over the Catherine Cross case
pretty much in detail, talking about the tombstone that says
murdered by human wolves in Conwall, Oklahoma. We had we
recently just had texts from Texas back porch on and
were picking his brain about dog man in Texas and
some of the stories that he knows and and you know,
and that's kind of our goal is we want to
start reaching out to people in the dog man community
that might have like, you know, one or two or
three pieces of the puzzle and just just pick their brains,
you know, and ask them the hard questions and you know,
and we don't expect everybody to have all the answers,
but maybe just maybe, you know, if we can just
get one piece of the puzzle from everybody that we
have on maybe when we get done with that project,
you know, maybe we'll have a better idea what we're
dealing with as a whole. You know, that's one of
the problems with the dog Man community is we're not
all getting together. It's like we get everybody over here
doing all this freelance stuff, solo work, and and it's
like very few people are working together as a whole.
Of course, you know, the Bigfoot community has that problem too,
so it's not like it's just one community. But but yeah,
I'm just I don't know, we're trying to build bridges.
I guess you could.
Speaker 2: Say, well, that's good, that's always a good thing. Yeah,
there's just way too much infighting in the community. There
really is. I don't think that's ever going to go away.
It's just one of those unfortunate things. Really, it really is.
When you consider all the things that you've gotten the
works right now, Brian, you're a teacher, You've got so
many other things that you deal with. When the world
possessed you to decide to create this dog Man documentary.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, I think I'll let Coleman take that question
because he was there when when basically, you know, we've
always had uh, we've always we've always had dog Man
on our radar, you know, and I've had encounters and
but it's it seems like that, you know, the sasquatch thing.
We get more sasquatch calls than we get dog Man calls.
Probably probably four or five times more Sasquatch stuff than
we do dog Man. And but you know, dog Man
has always been you know, right there at all my
heart and uh. And but we had something happen to us.
I'm not exactly sure it was last winter that really
I don't know. It just kind of triggered it. And
it's like, yeah, I think our next project needs to
be that, but I'm gonna let Coleman that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so parent o Brian is alluding to. We were filming,
ironically for you know, our Bigfoot documentary, and you know
that's the whole story in of itself, all the weird
stuff that happened while filming that, you know. But we
went out to film and in you over in southeast Oklahoma,
far southeast Oklahoma, uh, with a night witness and we
you know, first thing that was odd is you know,
they did show us a track that they had found
in an area close to where my understanding is where
the eyewitness hat is encounter of what you know, he
believed to be a sasquatch. But and they thought this
track was, you know, a big foot track is kind
of what they were thinking. But we looked at it
and it mainly knows possible claw marks, which you thought
was interesting with the track, and so you know, you know,
I was talking to Brian about it and he was like,
you know, that kind of looks like a possible dog
man track, and I was like, you know, I see
what you're talking about. And so, you know, that was interesting.
But you know, we we weren't playing on you know,
our main goal there was just to talk to them,
film this.
Speaker 4: Interview and you know, go about our day.
Speaker 1: And so we filmed the interview and we're walking back
to our vehicles and they were like, well, do you
guys want to see where we found this track at?
Speaker 4: And we almost didn't go.
Speaker 1: I mean, we almost said, you know, it's fine, but
you know, we were like, yeah, let's go ahead and
see it. And so, you know, they showed us and
as we're kind of leaving that and heading back to
the cars from that location, all of a sudden, we
hear this loud, loud, loud, deep, guttural growl, and we
all stop and everyone looks at each other. I thought
at first it was like a chainsaw or something. Honestly,
I thought someone was like cutting down a tree or
something like that.
Speaker 4: And I was looking around. I was like, what is that?
And everyone just kind.
Speaker 1: Of stopped and confused, and it kept going, and this
growl repeated five times. If I'm not mistaken, I believe
it was five times in a row. And it was
the first three grounds were just super loud. I mean,
it was just long, loud, Like I said, deep guttural growl.
It wasn't quite like what you hear where it's like,
you know, I could feel you know, my ribcage, you know,
shaking or or anything like that.
Speaker 4: It wasn't quite to that extreme, but I mean it was.
Speaker 1: Loud, and it was long enough to where we all
agreed we should have seen it. I mean, it sounded
like it was right there next to us that I mean,
it was that loud. I mean I was very confused
as to why. I was looking around and can see
where this girl.
Speaker 4: Was coming from. And we looked around, and.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian, I'll let you picked up from here
by O'Brien started looking around and you want to finish
the rest of that story, Brian.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we didn't have cameras roll ate at the time
of that, Like Coleman said, we just went down there
to interview an eyewitness about a sasquatching counter that happened
what four years prior. And you know, I don't even
think I was I wasn't even suited up or anything
for you know, expedition style. We were just kind of
hiking around and and that thing when that happened, I
mean it was it was loud and and we all
agreed that it was canine sounding. I mean, it just
it just sounded like a really big dog, you know,
growling at us, and uh and there was five of
us there, you know, and uh, all of us just
kind of froze, and you know, it did it three
times before we even I mean before we kind of
came out of it. You know. It was like and
I think I said something like, you know, we need
a film, we need to film or something. I don't
remember what I said. I was I was wigging, you know.
It was. It was so weird because I was trying
to figure out where this sound was coming from, and
it's like it's like right there. It's like it should
be like twenty yards in front of us, and there's
nothing there. And and uh, you know, so once we
got the camp was rolling and stuff. I started flanking it.
I kind of went around and was flanking it. The
guys were standing there filming. The two eyewitnesses were just
kind of standing there and anyway, so I kind of
flanked it, got up on the hill and was looking
and I just didn't see anything. And so I told
the guys to go ahead and advance. And we got
up there and there was nothing, nothing there, whatever it was,
And and I hesitate. You know, I consider myself a
flesh and blood in person, and I don't like all
this weird stuff because it takes me kind of out
of my comfort zone. But you know, after I think
we were driving home, we were driving back to the
hotel or whatever, and you know, it took us about
an hour and a half of driving and arguing about
what it was or what could happen before somebody finally said,
whatever it was was invisible. And and that's the only
thing I can come up with, is whatever it was
was invisible. We were looking up in the trees, we
were looking everywhere. It just it was weird. And you know,
I've spent a lot of time thinking about that and
it's just kind of been going over and over and
over in my head and I don't know, that's when
the you know, that's where the seed for the dog
Man documentary kind of came out, because you know, that
and the frustration, I guess you could say for you know,
real boots on the ground dog Man documentary that's actually
done out in the woods. You know, there are dog
man documentaries out there, but you know, not very many,
and it's mainly like interviews and stuff like that. We thought,
you know, maybe people would want to watch us actually
go out to the places that we know have a
reputation for dog man activity and specifically target those areas.
And so after talking with Coleman about it and Eric
and you know, everybody was like, yeah, I mean, why
not just specifically target those areas. So that's the plan.
You know. Of course, a lot of the tactics are
going to be the same for Sasquatch, but we are
going to be changing some locations as there are areas
in Oklahoma, as you know, that have reputations for dog men.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. You know a lot of places out there now.
I'd be surprised if there are any dog main documentaries
out there that you haven't actually watched, Brian. But I
don't want to come to jumped into conclusions or anything
like that. There might be some out there that you
haven't But with all the ones that you have watched
in mind, that obviously gave you a really good feel
for how most of them are. You mentioned the fact
that almost all of them just revolve around interviewing dogmen
eye witnesses. But besides wanting to have this feature boots
on the ground investigations, are there any other qualities you
wanted your documentary to have that that makes your documentary
different from what's already out there.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm gonna like Coleman take that. He's
the producer.
Speaker 4: Obviously.
Speaker 1: Besides, like Brian said, a big thing that's important for
us and we when I first brought the idea to
Brian of doing the Bigfoot documentary before, like you said,
we had the experience with the growls and stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, even with the.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot documentary we're talking about, you know, we really wanted
to be you know, we want to interview eye witnesses.
Speaker 4: Of course that's important, that's very important.
Speaker 1: But you know, we want to make sure we have
lots of research, there lots of boots on the ground
doing the research. Because so many of the documentaries and
I'm not trying to criticize or anything, you know, it's
there's a lot of great Bigfoot and cryptive documentaries out there,
and like I said, the interviews and those documentaries are important.
It's not trying to criticize or whatever. But I think
there's something missing in the fact that, you know, there
could be more actual field research. And I feel like
that and was getting neglected, you know, so to speak.
And so you know, what if we did these documentaries
and included more actual research actually you know, and showing
how we research and why we research the ways we do,
and hopefully that can help people, you know, if they
want to research and collect evidence and things like that,
you know, they can maybe get some ideas from us
and how we do things, how we set up our
audio recorders, how we set up our camp you know,
stuff like that, what equipment do we use, what methods
do we use, and so you know, it's the same
logic applies to the dog Mam documentary is you know,
showing good research. You know, if there is, for example,
you know, a good opportunity to collect possible hair samples,
you know, showing how we do that and you know
how we can do that in a way that you know,
kind of doesn't compromise the hair sample itself or whatever.
You know.
Speaker 4: How again, same thing with audio as well.
Speaker 1: Like that's very important and Brian will tell you, you know,
one of the most important pieces of equipment we've learned
that we can have on any expedition, whether it's a
more Bigfoot centered expedition or Dogman or whatever it is,
is audio. We've gotten so much incredible, really interesting pieces
of audio evidence over the last year really especially, so
that's you know, really important. So showing how we set
that up, and Brian's really good at that, you know.
He he sets up the audio reporters you know, to
have plenty of power to run overnight so he can
collect more audio and be able to go through it.
Just little stuff like that that I think can help people,
you know, show you know, different means methods of research
and hopefully they can incorporate it and collect their own evidence,
so to speak. So that's pretty much it. Yeah, just
really focusing on the on the research and things and
showing hopefully good research.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a fresh approach to this. Yeah,
I mean, you can only do so much good by
putting out another documentary where you interview people who have
seen Dogmen. That's already been done before. There's nothing wrong
with that, but I really like this fresh approach you
guys are deciding to put out there for us. Now,
as far as the documentary goes, how long do you
think it's going to be before you publish it?
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. Hopefully not too long. I mean
that's a very vague answer.
Speaker 5: We we've been working on filming and and and you know,
doing our research, and we've we've had some really cool
staff that can't talk a whole lot about Maybe we'll
talk about later on the video maybe, but.
Speaker 4: It just will have to see. It's just it's one
of those things. It's hard to tell. Hopefully, if I had.
Speaker 1: To give a guest, I would say may maybe maybe
late this year, early next year. I might be pushing it,
But I don't think that's too unrealistic.
Speaker 4: But it's one of those things too.
Speaker 1: And again, another conversation you know, we've had as a
group is making sure we're not rushing these projects out.
You know, we really want to make sure we're taking
our time to within reason, but make sure we're taking
our time to put something together good that people will
you know, enjoy. Like I said, when it comes to
the research, that's the main thing is we want to
put out, and so good researching and a good quality
documentary too, because I think oftentimes, unfortunately those two things
don't always go together.
Speaker 4: A lot of times.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a really great documentary that you know,
great researchers, but the quality may not always be there.
Speaker 4: And so for me, it's really important to have the good.
Speaker 1: Editing, the good you know music and everything like that,
the cool drone shots or whatever, but also most importantly
having that good research and kind of letting you know,
those two things merge and show that you know, it
doesn't have to be an either or type thing. You know,
you can have a good quality documentary with good quality research.
So so I know, again i'm a vague answer, but
that's the best I can do. So whenever we feel
like it's ready and it's good to go, and we
have something worthy to present to people than you know,
we'll be out, but I don't think it'll.
Speaker 4: Be too long.
Speaker 2: Well, I understand, and there's no rush, of course, have
you it's probably early for this, But have you put
your heads together and come up with the title for
the documentary yet?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Brian, you got any ideas. I don't
think we've even got that far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we were kind of joking around the end
of the day, but no, we haven't settled on anything.
And we eventually well see, we had it all figured
out for the Sasquatch documentary and it ended up changing
because of the high strangeness of the evidence that we found.
And again going forward with this dog Man documentary. You know,
I think that the evidence that we come up with,
then we've already come up with some evidence that I
think that needs to be you know, putting the proper
light put out there so that people can see it.
You know, you know, we're not going to you know,
gatekeep or hold back you know, something that we think
might be legitimate dog Man evidence, just so you know,
we can kind of keep that to ourselves, you know,
we put that out there. We're actually we're actually hoping
that people are going to reach out to us with
the stuff like hair samples and stuff like that, because
you know, it seems like we've just had so much
stuff going on. You know, I had a guy send
me some hair samples a couple of weeks ago. I
got back here. I'm not so sure it's not a
dog man hair sample, but you know, trying to find
somebody that has actual dog man hair that you know,
those people are just there if they if they exist
at all, they're not coming forward. And so I literally
have nothing to compare it to. But it's basically what
looks like extremely large and long wolf hair, and we
don't we're not supposed to have wolves in Oklahoma. And
the average length of you know, wolf hair is you know,
it kind of maxes out at about five inches for
you know, the guard hairs around the neck and stuff
and where it's thick. And this stuff is every bit
of seven inches long. So I know it sounds crazy.
I don't know what else it could be. I mean,
it's it's definitely some kind of canid that doesn't belong
in Oklahoma, and it's longer than normal. So but what
but what do I what do I compare it to.
You know, nobody else is out there claiming to have
dog man hair, and if they did, then they didn't
know what they were. They didn't document it properly before
they you know, shipped it off to you know, someplace
where it vanished and disappeared, you know, which which is
another problem that we have in the communities. You know,
once you send it to one of those places. That's
that's why I got into, you know, hair analysis is
because you know, I want to know myself what it
is that I've got. I don't want to you know,
send it off to somebody and trust them and just
have faith that they're going to you know, do my
sample right or tell me the truth about what it is,
or you know, you get too many stories it just
vanished or oh my lab assistant lost it or something
like that that you know, I don't know. I've got
a lot of frustrations and a lot of trust issues
when it comes to not just the dog man community,
but the bigfoit community as a whole too. So you know,
that's why we're trying to raise the bar and we're
trying to educate ourselves, and we're trying to make a
difference because you know, we can't get the answers that
we want out of the community, so we're going to
get them ourselves.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things about investigations, like you just mentioned.
You can find all sorts of impressive evidence. You can
find hears that actually did come from a dog. Mean,
you can find other evidence scat other things too, teeth.
I don't know of anyone who found a tooth yet.
A claw, yes, but not a tooth. You can find
evidence like that until you're blue in the face. But
what do you do with it? Like you said, if
you get some hair even here that's really off of
a dog, mean maybe a snatch it out of his
butt or something like that. Here, I've got a load
of dogmen here right here, my palm, one hundred percent genuine,
what do you do with it? Like you said, if
you send it in, it's going to wind up missing.
Whether that lab is exactly Brian, whether that lab is
on the up and up or not, that doesn't matter,
because it's gonna get out. If they do actually discover
that this hair that they are in possession of, it
belongs to some unidentified species, especially a cryptid. It's one
thing to discover an unknown chimp. But if you've got
here that is from a legitimate dog man, that's going
to disappear before you can, you can turn around. So
unless you're investigating for personal discovery, in my opinion, and
this is just Vic kind OF's opinion, unless you're investigating
for personal discovery for your own reasons, it seems like
it's just such an uphill battle that I just don't
know why you do it. I really don't. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, before I get my thoughts on it,
I just say this. If you're if you are in
possession of some kind of hair sample like that, you know,
whether it be sasquatch or dog man or something else
that you think is highly unusual, you make an appointment
with me. Drive up here, we'll sit down, we'll look
at it together. You don't have to trust me. You know.
You can bring the hair sample in and you can
you can drive away with it. You know. I don't
want I don't want to keep it. But I'll tell
you what I will do for you. I'll take a
look at I'll give you my honest opinion, and we'll
we'll take a lot of pictures and I'll email you
all the pictures and the measurements and and you'll actually
be able to walk away with something to show for
it instead of just or poof it vanished. You know,
you don't. I'm not asking anybody to trust me. Hell
don't trust me. Drive up here and let's sit down
look at it together. We're actually going to be It's
not anytime soon, but going forward, we're actually going to
be going around to a couple of different locations here
in Oklahoma, and we're going to be teaching people. Yeah, yeah,
she's she's kind of retired, I think so. And usually
the hair samples that she got is they get destroyed
in the work that she does. So but yeah, I
probably should as a formality reach out to her. But
I'm still I'm on the fence with that. I kind
of struggle with that. She's she's still very controversial, and
I mean, she did, you know, document black bear hair
as a sasquatch hair. So, but be honest with you,
that kind of wasn't her fault. It wasn't in the
gene bank yet, so but she should have been able
to look at it with a microscope and tell so.
But anyway, that's a whole different story, and I wish
your luck and everything, but I don't know how responsive
she even is to anything anymore. But but now I
just I just want to help people, and you know,
you don't even have to trust me. I'll just take
pictures of it and measure it, and you know, we'll
send you on your way. You know you can. You
can take take those pictures and you can send them
to as many people as you want. So but anyway,
I kind of got derailed there, Vic. What was your
What was your question? Again? I'm just passionate about this.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's okay. Before I do share that question
with you again, I just want to let the people
who are listening to the podcast version of the show
who can't see the video feed, let them know that
Brian was talking about a forensic scientist who is well
known amongst the cryptid community for doing DNA testing. I'm
not going to Namur, but that's who he was talking
about there. The question for you, Brian is, when you
consider all the obstacles in the way of actually gaining
any ground, if you do find some impressive evidence, what
are your thoughts on it being almost a waste of
time to try to go out and collect these pieces
of physical evidence for any other reason outside of personal discovery.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that the number one thing is as
we all deeply want to prove it to ourselves, and
I think that that's goal number one. I know that
that's my my personal goal. I think that's what Coleman wants.
And I don't you know, Red Dirk Cryptis does not
exist to prove that, you know, cryptids exist to the
general population. Unfortunately, that's just I don't think that's going
to happen. I think there's powers at play that is
going to keep this under wraps, and I think it's
going to continue to be an official mystery for decades
yet to come. Maybe if you know, Darby Orcut's a
project over there in North Carolina, you know, comes up
with something and actually proves that there is an undiscovered
primate species living in North America, And there may be
some things that'll start the ball rolling, But you know,
I think we're probably I don't know, probably a decade
away from getting any kind of test results out of
Darby what happened to Melba. He's very skittish about something
similar to what happened to her. Happening to him. I
actually had a conversation with Darby at Beachfoot this summer
and we were talking a little bit about her, and
you know, I told him my personal opinion was, you know,
it didn't really matter what kind of evidence she had.
She was the first one bringing the evidence to the
scientific community, and she was going to get both barrels
no matter what. That's the way science works. The first
person that brings evidence to the table of a controversial
nature is always going to get shot out of the saddle.
They are going to be the sacrificial land. That's the
way science works. And and she was the first one,
and she was going to take the hit. And so honestly,
you know, whether or not you like or research, or
whether you disapprove of her research and you don't like
her methods or anything else, the truth was is she
did the cryptic community a big favor because she was
the first one, and she basically got bit real hard
and by the community and everything else. And so but
it was going to happen. It was going to happen
no matter whose name was on that paper. And so
maybe maybe the second person is going to have better luck.
So but who who else can you send this stuff
to rather than Darby or Cut? I don't know, And uh,
you know, Darby or Cut. I really want to believe
that he's doing the right thing and that he's helping
the community. But if you're looking for fast answers, Darby
is not your person. I haven't even heard anybody come
out and say, hey, you know that sample that I
sent to him. I got my test results back and
they said that it was just a bear, it was this,
or it was that, it wasn't sasquatch. I haven't heard
anybody even get any negative test results back yet. If
you're looking for fast answers, you're not going to get
them there. You're talking years before you get an answer. So,
you know, I can usually rule out about ninety five
percent of all animal hair right out of the shoot
looking at it, looking at it through a microscope, you know, boom,
It's like I can tell you, well, that's that's an ungulate,
you know, I mean, it's it's getting It's actually fairly
easy to rule out. It's it just gets complicated and
you're looking at the differences between you know, different types
of primate hairs, telling the difference between a human hair
and bigfoot hairs. Where it starts to get slightly complicated,
it can still be done though.
Speaker 2: And further complicating matters is look how different different ethnicities
of humans when it comes to how they're here looks.
I mean, it can really very wildly or widely. So
it's not easy at all. It really isn't. And talking
about the forensic scientist who we were just talking about her,
you were just mentioning when you look at what happened
to her, how she was treated. You talked about the
second one in line. Who'd want to be the second
one up? When you consider how she was treated. If
I was a forensic scientist, there's no way I'd want
to dip my toill in that water. No, thank you?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean she's My heart kind of goes
out to her. I mean it was, you know, I
don't know if she saw it coming like it did.
I thought, you know, she probably thought she was helping
everybody and doing all this, and it's like everybody came
at her with claws and fangs and pitchforks and torches,
you know, but I guess it's, uh, that's that's the
way science works. So you know, back in several hundred
years ago, you know, we would burn people for scientific discoveries.
So I don't know. But anyway, I wish her well
and I hope she's doing good.
Speaker 2: So I hope she is too, I really do. If
you've had a dog Mean the encounter that you'd like
help with, or maybe you want to be a guest
in the show, please go to Dogmandecounters dot com and
submit report. If you do that, then I'll be more
than happy to schedule a film consultation with you and
we'll take it from there. Also too, so that you know,
I released a new episode of my new Dogmian podcast
tonight nine pm Eastern Time, dog Me in Tail. If
you didn't know about it, I'd recommend you go check
it out. That show is not available on YouTube, though
it's available in your favorite podcast app, however, so that
makes it pretty easy to listen to that way, Coleman,
if you had if you could name at least one
thing that's on your bucket list when it comes to
dog me and relate to things you hope to accomplish
when you're out there investigating, name just one of them.
Speaker 1: For us Man, that's a tough one because there's so
much that's yet to be I mean, this field is
very much there's there's so much to learn, there's so
much to document. For me, I think the audio is
really interesting for me personally when it comes to any
of the grypted stuff. And so for me personally, I
would like to be able to learn more about dog
me and vocalizations and try to see, you know, is
there is there a certain audio signature, Like if you're
going to put you know, take a suspected dog man
vocal or how or whatever and put it on a spectrogram.
Speaker 4: You know what, what would you want to look for?
Speaker 1: You know that would if it would even you know,
differentiate it between you know, a large wolf oul or
you know, something along those lines. You know what, what's
something to look for? Obviously, know everyone knows what you
know Sasquat's vocalizations. You know, you've got the whoops, and
you know you've got the you know, samurai chatter and
things like that. You know, I would want to know
what is what is it with dog man? You know,
is there a certain frequency that we should be looking for?
Is there a certain audio signature? Those things really interest
me and I feel like there's a lot to be
learned there, so I would say that's probably close to
the top of the bucket list is to learn more
about the vocalizations and the audio evidence that's possibly out there.
Speaker 2: That's one of those things you hear so many naysayers
when it comes to the existence of dog Man. They
say there is no evidence out there, there aren't any photos,
there aren't any videos. But yeah, there are really impressive photos.
There's really impressive video footage as well. Have you ever
seen any of this really impressive evidence, Coleman.
Speaker 4: I've seen some interesting tracks.
Speaker 1: You know. That's another thing too, is you know that
we've talked about on our podcast on Dogman Files, is
especially in the episode we did with text from Texts
from Porch, you know, talking about you know, you see
the pictures of the tracks, and some of them seem
to be similar, and some of them seemed a little
bit different.
Speaker 4: Some of them seem to be.
Speaker 1: Just a large regular, you know, almost wolf print or
canine print, and some of them almost have like a
like a humanoid type thing going on with like a
heel almost.
Speaker 4: So I've seen stuff like.
Speaker 1: That that was interesting, and that's another thing I would
like to learn more about is you know the tracks
they leave and you know what are what are signaturity
like the every like like I was saying earlier with
the sasspots is so different because we know about the
mid tarsal break.
Speaker 4: You know, we know about those things.
Speaker 1: We know about dimensions to for when it comes to
the length and the width of you know, a standard
you know sasquatch track that you can analyze and look at.
Those are things that you can all see to try
to gauge and whether or not if you're looking at
it genuine track.
Speaker 4: Me by a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: But we don't really have that information really as far
as I'm aware of on dog Man and so you know,
those are the things too. I really hope we can
try to solve a little bit and research and find
commonalities there with like I said, the vocals and the tracks.
But I've seen interesting videos and stuff. It's hard for
me to know what's real and what's not. Unfortunately, especially
in today's age with AI, you know, it's such a mess.
There's so much fake stuff out there, and it's really unfortunate.
But you know, I've definitely seen some videos here and
there and pictures and you know, other things that are
very interesting without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some really impressive evidence like what you just named.
But I'm not sure how much time you too have
thought about this. But now that AI has become so advanced,
any hopefully add of moving the needle with impressive photo
evidence or video evidence has long since gone because with
AI being so advanced and so impressive the way it
is now present day, a picture of video is just
not going to get it done. Everyone's going to say, well,
that's just a I I don't believe it. What's your
take on that, Brian?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got admitted. I think AI has kind of
ruined it in my opinion, if a piece of video
footage or a picture isn't pre you know, twenty twenty
or twenty twenty two, somewhere before that, I don't know.
I just I kind of dismiss it. You know, I
have some people that send me some interesting stuff and
I look at it, but you know, and I have
some of them that you know, they call me. They
get frustrated because they I don't know, I guess they
want me to put my stamp on it or something.
Then I'm not sure, but they get really frustrated with me.
And I'm just I'm just like, man, you can't believe
anything anymore. I mean, I wouldn't even expect anybody to
believe any video footage that I would actually come up
with them. I might put it out there for people
to see, but I'm not going to get upset if
you don't believe it. I just I don't know. There's
some really good footage out there. In my opinion, I
think probably the creepiest dog man footage I think is
that I think it was Ohio where they had the
dog Man digging in the graveyard and those two chicks
film that. I mean, there's just something about the way
that thing looks and how skinny the arms are and
how big the hands are. It's like, man, that just
can't be a costume. And the I mean, what the
hell was that thing doing and what was going on?
I just I don't know. I will say this though,
often thought anybody it's ever been to a cemetery and
really kind of looked around. They have a lot of
like moles, and you know, you see those little pent
miles of dirt that's kind of pushed up, and I
couldn't help but wonder if maybe it was trying to
catch one of those or something that I really I
really don't know, but that's some pretty impressive footage. I'm now,
to the best of my knowledge, I don't think it's
been debunked, but I mean I've been duel before. I
mean it probably won't be the last time. So I
think that's very interesting. There's some other stuff out there
floating around, you know that that is of great interest
that as far as like no evidence being out there
to be found, Oh it's out there. I think a
lot of it is misidentified. For instance, that guy that
we went down there to interview, he literally took the
time to cast this print, and he actually, for an amateur,
he documented it very well. He had like four or
five pictures of this print that he had taken from
different angles, which actually shocked me. But it I kind
of I'm over here kind of looking at Coleman, and
I'm like, I think that's I don't think this is
a Sasquatch print. I think this is one of those
human looking dog man prints. And so I reached out
to some people in the Bigfoot community. I actually reached
out to Jody Cook and asked him what he thought
of it. And he actually noticed that it had a
three toed dog man print inside the big print, so
it was like a print, and stepped in it. And
I hadn't even noticed that it was a three toed
one it was, So that was a good catch on
his part. But I'm pretty grateful for that. So it's
like one type of dog man stepped in the sand
and then a different type of dog man stepped in
the t right, So that's what's the chances of that happening.
But their stuff out there, it's just I think a
lot of people lose the evidence. I had a guy
reach out to me from south of Tacomsa who claimed
that his neighbor had taken a picture of a nine
inch canine track. I mean that would be like this
big around and you know, of course the poato the
camera that this photo was on, it died or it
quit and they just it was backed up and they
lost it forever, you know, and it's like, what do
you do with all this stuff? It's you know, it's
just it's just like everything else, a lot of stuff
gets lost, a lot of stuff gets misidentified. As far
as dog men audio, you know, there's a lot of
there's a there's I think there's like five or six
different audio vocalizations floating around on the internet that supposedly
of a dog man. Every single one of them sound
completely different. What do you what do you do with that?
We were we were down at uh down at one
of our hotspots this weekend, and you know, I've got
a bunch of audio of what sounds like wolves howling.
We don't we don't have wolves in Oklahoma, but it
just you know, I'm a former coyote hunter. You know,
I used to hunt coyotes for almost twenty years, and
you know, I've got you know, electronic game calls with
you know, dozens of different types of coyote vocalizations, and
you know, I've mimicked them myself, and I've been out
in the field. I've heard of myself. Grew up a
good portion of my life out on the farm, you know,
went to bed with them howling, you know, and I
know what coyotes sound like. That was not kayes and uh.
You know, we had a couple of other team members
that were out there with us, and they live out
on a ranch in western Oklahoma, and they're like that
ain't coyotes, you know, what is that, you know, But
it just sounded deeper, larger, bigger lung capacity. There wasn't
all the yips and the yipes act when the little
ones that you know sometimes you get into it and
that the young pups have to get in there and
they have to do their little yipping and nipping. There's
none of that. It's just it's just all big dogs.
And I'm not sure if what we weren't here and
might have been a pack of dog man or something
that had spread out, because and they weren't. They weren't
like all in one pack. It was like one was
over here, there was two over here to the south,
and then there was one off to the east, and
they were kind of spread out a little bit. But
I've got some very interesting audio that I'm not sure
what to do with. When you put it on a spectrograph,
it actually looks different on spectagraph And I'm not going
to really elaborate on that just yet, because you know,
it's our research is in its infancy, and you know,
a podcasts like this alive and it'll live forever, and
I don't want to be quoted ten years from now
saying something stupid when we're just learning, you know, but
we're we're trying to get we're trying to learn, we're
trying to figure this stuff out. Again. If you've got
some audio that you want to share with us, I mean,
I'd love to listen to it going on a spectrograph
and you know, see see what it looks like. But
you know, solid answers, I don't have those yet, but
I'm working on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard to give any solid answers on vocalizations.
There's so many critters out there that have so many vocalizations.
I mean, we don't know what the limits of their
vocalization to build what these are. Think about how many
different sounds foxes make, for example, And then when you
take the consideration how intelligent these guys are, I'm sure
they have a lot more in their bag of tricks
than what most animals have. So when someone sends me
a recording, end, I'm not a researcher, I'm not an investigator,
So I try not to devote any time to analyzing audio,
photos or anything like that. I just try to help
the eyewitnesses. But people ask me, can a dog me
and make this noise? Well, I don't know. We don't know,
because again we don't know what the limits of their
abilities are. And a touch on what you said about
that nine inch print. Something to keep in mind. That's
another thing that I get all the time photos of prints.
Keep in mind that the largest canid print that's ever
been cast or found basically was left by a timber
wolf if it was six inches long by five inches wide.
Because wolves have prints unlike dogs. They have prints that
are a little bit long longer than wide. They don't
really have that round profile the way dog prints do.
But anyway, like I said, the biggest print was six
inches long by five inches wide. If we're talking about
a nine inch print, well that tells you everything that
you need to know right there. It really does.
Speaker 3: Brian.
Speaker 2: If anyone in your area in Oklahoma has a dog
me in the counter that they want to contact you about,
or even a sasquatch encounter they want to contact you about,
what's the best way for them to do.
Speaker 3: That, Well, you can reach out to us using old
school email. It's red dirt cryptids. There's an ass at
the end at gmail dot com. Or you can hunt
us down on our Facebook page and you can hit
me or Calming up on a messenger. That seems to
be the easiest way to find us. But yeah, we're
real easy to find on Facebook. If you're trying to
get a hold of us, you know, that's that's that's
the two approved methods. And but yeah, and if you
want to reach out to Coleman, he's got a lot
of expertise and uh, paranormal stuff, So he's probably going
to be the person that I lean on when it
comes to, you know, telling the difference between whether this
is a supernatural paranormal event or or flesh and blood.
We're we're gearing up for that and we're trying to
tool up to be able to you know, determine that
that's much more bad, more stuff in our bag of tricks.
But but yeah, we'll try to help people. You know.
I'm I'm just like everybody else. I have a full
time job and and but yeah, you know there's anything
I can do to help people, just let me know.
But like I said, I always tell people if I
tell you no or you know, if I give you
bad news, well this isn't what you thought it was.
Don't be mad, don't shoot the don't shoot the messenger.
I just I'll shoot it to you straight. I'll give
you bad news, just I just give you the truth. Yeah,
is what it is.
Speaker 2: So well, that's really goodness. That should be give it
to them straight and dirty. I mean, there's no sense
in blowing smoke. And if anyone out there is wondering
if they've had an encounter in Oklahoma or in Brian's
area period, if you're thinking about contacting him, like he said,
he will shoot you straight and he'll do you right,
so highly recommend that you do contact him. Coleman, I've
noticed that your channel on YouTube it's not titled Dogman Files.
It's actually under the red cryptids channel. For anyone who
wants to check out your podcast, Dogman Files, which I
hope they do when droves, please promote it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dogm and Files is on you know, Brian's redert
crypt Investigations channel. Pretty much all my focus and work
right now is you know, with redt and you know,
future documentary projects as well as you know of course the.
Speaker 4: New podcast we've been kind of working on.
Speaker 1: So definitely if you are interested in that, when check
it out, subscribe to Reddort Crypt Investigations do all.
Speaker 4: The good YouTube stuff.
Speaker 1: Notification Bill all that, and you know, stay tuned for
new episodes of that. We definitely have some cool ideas
of what we want to do in the future.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well said. And if anyone wants to be
a guest on dog Mean Files, what's the best way
for them to see that through?
Speaker 1: I would say if you reached out to Brian through
like you was saying, either you know, Facebook, Messenger or email,
it's probably gonna be the best bet. I guess if
you really want to message me on Facebook, you can
as well, and you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'll go with Brian and you know, work something out.
Speaker 1: But probably the same contact info that Brian gave earlier
is probably just going to be your best. If you're
an eyewitness or if I had some type of encounter,
you know, definitely reach out.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes it really easy. Before we get out
of here, I just want to put it out there
one more time, if you've had a dog Mean encounter
that you want to contact me about, if you need
help with it, if you want to be a guest
on the show, please go to Dogmandecounters dot com and
submit a report. If you do that, I'll be more
than happy to contact you and schedule a consultation. If
I had a nickel for every time I see someone
ask me, well, how do I contact VIC? If you
had an encounter that I need help with, how do
I get that help? I find a nickel for every
time I see that question popping up, I'd be a
rich man now. So yeah, I just wanted to put
that out there one more time, so hopefully anyone like that,
here's it. But yeah, I'm sure there's still gonna be
quite a few questions like that. But what can you do?
Having said all that, gentlemen, I can't thank you enough
for coming on the show like this, especially again at
such short notice. I really do appreciate. And of course
in the future, if I can never help you out,
please let me know. And like Brian touched on at
the start of the show, I am going to be
a guest on dog Me and Files and of course
I'm looking forward to that. So yeah, I guess that's
going to be a live stream that's going to air
in the twenties, so it's not it'll probably drop a
week after that.
Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of editing that goes into it,
but yeah, yeah, we're looking forward to that and hopefully,
you know, we can pick your brain and get a
few extra pieces to the puzzle to throw into. Maybe
maybe we can help come up with some answers.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a plan, and like I said, I'm
looking forward to it. I really am. But having said that,
thanks again so much for your time, gentlemen. I really
appreciate it, and have a great nights.