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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.

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Really appreciate you joining us. Before I start tonight's show,

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as far as bringing the guests on, I wanted to

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put a word out there there are two eyewitnesses that

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I'd plan to bring on one at a time, to

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first one then the other to do the show tonight,

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But unfortunately they were lying to me. They're trying to

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lie the way onto the show. It's really unfortunate it's

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come to that that there's so many people anymore who

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are trying to lie their way on to dog Me

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and Encounters. But like I've already said before several times,

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I mean, if you don't have the truth, you don't

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have anything. Now, Sure, there have been guests who've been

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featured on the show who probably were lying some I

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was pretty sure they were, but I didn't know all

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of us can be fooled. None of us are two

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legged light detectors. So basically When I got into this,

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I made a promise to myself that unless I actually

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caught an eyewitness who wanted to be a guest on

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the show in a lie, in an actual lie, I'd

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much rather play the fool and bring someone on who

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actually is lying than to turn someone around at the

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door who actually is telling the truth. But due to

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how they delivered something when they were telling me about

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this or that, I got the mistaken impression that they

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were lying, when in fact they were telling the truth.

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So I just wanted to put that out for you again,

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just to reinforce that point. All right enough on that, Luckily,

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I was able to reach out to Brian Terrell with

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Red Dirt Cryptids and ask him, with very short notice

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if he'd be interested in coming on tonight to do

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a show. That way we could still have a show. Well,

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I knew that Brian was working on a documentary the

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last time we spoke. We talked about that briefly. Well,

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when I asked him about that, we put our heads

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together in decided we'd bring him on and give him

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a good chance to promote that documentary. And in case

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he didn't know it, he's also got a dog Man

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podcast that he produces now with his partner there Coleman. Naturally,

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luckily Coleman's he was willing to come on tonight's show

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as well, So it's a two first, it's not just

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Brian on tonight's show, Oh, it's Coleman as well well.

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Without any further ado, let's bring these gentlemen in here.

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Coleman and Brian. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Hey, folks, how's it going?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you being here. Brian, You've been featured

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on the show numerous times, but for anyone listening, and

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there probably are some new listeners who don't know who

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you are, please tell us about yourself.

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Speaker 3: I live in Oklahoma, I grew up here, pretty much

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live in Oklahoma my whole life. Had a few encounters

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when I was younger then and when I get a

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little bit older, I had my first dog man encounter

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and wasn't even sure what I was looking at. Like

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a lot of people, I was pretty fortunate though mine

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wasn't looking like a van hell saying werewolf. It was

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just more like a giant wolf. And for years I

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didn't know what I'd actually seen. And uh, but you know,

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Eventually I ended up because I was interested in Sasquatch.

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I ended up bumbling into the whole dog man phenomenon

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and realized that, you know, there was a whole breeding

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population of these things out here. So I started read

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rit Cryptid Investigations, and I started as a Facebook page

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and kind of worked its way up and and now,

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you know, basically, we've got a team of you know,

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people that go out together and do field research and

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we do. We have a YouTube channel, and we interview eyewitnesses,

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and we maintain a free to the public database for

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you know, dog Man, Bigfoot, and other cryptid sightings in

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Oklahoma and the surrounding areas. So that's that's me and

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that's what I do.

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Speaker 2: How about you, Coleman.

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Speaker 1: So I've always kind of had an interest in cryptid

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Speaker 4: I remember watching a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Like the Bigfoot shows and whatnot that we're on TV

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way back in the day when I was younger.

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the day when we were young, and it all started off,

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long time ago, and we always choked, you know, we

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documentary about bigfoot in Oklahoma, and ever since then I

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was hooked. And then I knew I wanted to keep

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researching and keep having keep researching, keep finding evidence, and

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that had that shared interest that I had, and then

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that's when I reached out to Brian. And ever since November,

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I believe of twenty twenty two is when I went

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first expedition with Brian and the guys at Render and the.

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Speaker 1: So now we're just at a recent documentary on Bigfoot

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called Listeners from the Woods. It's our newest documentary you did,

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and just been having a good time doing research.

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Speaker 2: Well, you linked up with a good one. You know,

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Brian really knows his stuff, he really does, and something

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you this for a while now, after talking with you

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as many times as I have, I get the impression

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when I do that that of all the field investigators

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out there, when things start going sideways, and if you

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find yourself in a really intense encounter, you seem to me,

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like the last investigator, to just fall apart and not

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keep yourself, not keep your composure. Is that an accurate

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assessment of how you conduct yourself out there.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows how they're going to whether or not they're

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going to be able to keep their bridges dry when

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they come face to face with the dog man. But

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I've been pretty fortunate that, you know, the sightings that

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I've had have been from a distance, you know, But

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and I used to do predator hunting back in the day.

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likely to probably freak out the near average joe, just

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because of all the hunting that I've done and stuff

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like that. But like I said, I don't think anybody

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is psychologically prepared to, you know, go toe to toe

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there are so many field investigators out there who I

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don't think they've put nearly enough thought into how they're

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going to respond if things really go sideways. They're so

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caught up on I've got to see a dog man,

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got to see a dog me in that they don't

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think it through, they don't consider the possibilities. Now, I'm

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not going to put any words into your mouth Thereic Coleman,

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but how much thought have you put into the possibility,

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the very strong possibility that you might have a bad

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encounter one day with one of these guys and what

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kind of effects they might have on you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've definitely thought about that, and I know, I

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mean I've had conversations with Brian even a few times

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where we've talked about whether it be dog Man or

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sasquatch or any cryptid. It's like, you know, you hear

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all the stories of people having real PTSD and real

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trauma from these encounters that they have where they see

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these creatures, and especially during like a Class A siding,

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and you know, always asking, you know, what what if

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for sure, but when it comes to like a class

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a chance to have that really yet. I do ask myself.

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it's easier said than done to go on a podcast

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or talk to other people who are into this stuff

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and you know, say how much help cool would.

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Speaker 4: Be to see one of these things or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to actually, you know, dealing with

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the fact that, you know, am I mentally capable of

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handling up seeing it seven foot eight foot nine foot

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tall werewolf looking like creature? You know, you really have

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to be honest with yourself there, especially like you were saying,

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if it's a more violent encounter or aggressive, you know

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you do if you're going to research this, I think

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you definitely have to consider those things and make sure

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you're mentally prepared for that as much as you can be.

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Speaker 2: I figured you'd already considered all those things. It's just

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good to hear the fact that you have. You definitely

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have considered all these things, and that's not going to

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blind side I'm wondering, though I know Brian has, but

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if you ever spoken with an eyewitness, is really a

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red zone case where they've been really rattled by a

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very traumatic dog me an encounter. So you've had the

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opportunity to see firsthand how an encounter like that can

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affect someone.

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Speaker 1: Yes, actually one that always comes to mind is this case.

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Me and Brian investigated where we Brian had an individual

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reach out to him and this was in northeastern Oklahoma.

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exact location or whatever. It was in northeast Oklahoma, and Brian,

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channel too as well, where we interviewed this person. He

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was off camera, but pretty much long story short, you know,

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meeting him, he's just I know you always hear that

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a lot. People always say, look, he was just a

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regular guy. But like truly genuinely, this was a regular, nice, kind,

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well mannered person, you know, just some you know, just

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just you know, in your day to day business or whatever.

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a younger guy. He's closer to my age, you know,

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in his twenties, I would assume. And he told us

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this story of if I remember, and I'm you know,

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maybe a little vague, but pretty much long story short.

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when he was young, he had this.

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in the middle of night. He looked out his window

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and he saw the dark silhouette but still clear outline

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of essentially a dog man. And I believe it was

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moving in all fours at first, and then it got

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near his family's driveway and he saw this thing stand up.

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you know, you hear about a lot and when it

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comes to these encounters, and his voice started to shake,

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and you can just tell it it still bugged him

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talking about it and remembering that even all those years

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back as a kid, you know, just you can hear

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it in his voice, how it disturbed him and now

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it really changed him, I guess you could say. And

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so I always think back to that encounter for sure

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when I think of, you know, dog man encounters that

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really stick out to me that I remember. I will

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always remember for sure talking to that person and him

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sharing his story.

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Speaker 2: That's a good experience for you to have. It's just

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going to make you that much more effective of an investigator.

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It really is, as Brian knows. As you know now, Coleman,

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people get into investigating dog men for all sorts of reasons. Unfortunately,

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too many people get into researching them, investigating them for

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the neat factor. They think, Oh, it would be so

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neat to have an encounter with one of these guys.

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I wasn't going to put this out there, but I

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think I am. I spoke with an eyewitness. He was

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actually a guest on the show over a year ago,

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and I spoke with him a little over a week

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ago and unfortunately found out that his father passed away,

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quite possibly due to having a dog man induced heart attack.

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I'm not going to reveal too many details. I'm gonna

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gist of it is, this dog man eyewitnesses brother had

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been talking with their dad that night. They were playing

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video games via telephone. Well, the dad was playing video games,

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the brother of this dogman eyewitness was playing video games.

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two had finished playing video games, it seemed like any

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other night. They hung up and it seemed like okay,

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a rap for another night. Well, unfortunately, this eyewitness when

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he didn't hear back from his father, unfortunately, he just

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had that feeling that something wasn't right. I'm not going

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to go into any more details and just say that

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he got the feeling that something wasn't right. His dad

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wouldn't answer phone calls or anything like that the way

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he would normally do, so he decided to head over

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to his dad's house and unfortunately found out that his

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father had passed well. Once the county had done their

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autopsy on his father, they found out that he had

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passed away due to a heart attack. Well, I'm not

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going to give too many details, but I mean, the

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gentleman didn't have any medical history that would support the

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idea of him being a likely candidate for having a

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heart attack. There were certain things that this dog man

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eyewitness found, however, that point towards it being a dog

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man that his father had told him about coming around

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his house way out in the country. He lived all alone,

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way out in the country, and no one else around.

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All I'm going to say is this eyewitness he had

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been speaking with his father. He had spoken with him

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multiple times about this dog man that kept coming around

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his property, his house, messing with things and indirectly messing

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with him. So again I apologize for not being able

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to go into more details, more specifics. But when he

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found his father, every indication was that his father had

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been looking out one of his windows, seen the dog

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man and had a heart attack. We don't know for sure. Again,

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truth be told, we don't know for sure that that's

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what caused his heart attack, But I will tell you this.

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I speak with so many dogmen eyewitnesses, and because that

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it takes a lot for an encounter to move the needle.

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But that right there is something I've been thinking about

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for ever since I spoke with him a little over

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a week ago. It just sticks with you, it really does.

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So if you're out there and you're one of those

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people who thinks it would be neat to go out

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and investigate these guys, because oh, it'd be so neat

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to have an encounter with one of these guys, please

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keep in mind this is not fun and games. There

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can be some serious fallout whenever you're around these guys,

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So please put a lot of thought into whether you

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really want to go out and do this or not.

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Of course, the two gentlemen I have here, they've already

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thought about all that. They've thought that through. But there

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are a lot of people out there. I get the

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impression there are a lot of people out there who haven't.

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So that's why I'm sharing this with you. Please do

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keep that in mind. Now, having said all that, before

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we get into talking about your documentary, what can you

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tell us about this new Dogman show that you two produce.

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Speaker 3: Well, we were sitting around and by the way, uh, man,

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that's that's terrible, and uh, you know, I feel my

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heart goes out to the guy and you know, if

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he's anywhere close to us, you know, he can reach

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out to us and maybe maybe we can help him

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or something. I don't I don't know anything we can do.

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But no, we we started this. We're sitting around the

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campfire and uh, we were talking and I think you

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and I have had similar conversations big about you know,

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our our frustrations with you know, the dog man community,

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how there's a lack of physical evidence out there. How

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I think we think that a lot of it gets

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overlooked as normal, you know, dog sign stuff like that,

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and uh, you know, and I was looking for credible

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people and you know, I think I even reached out

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to you one time asking about, you know, credible people

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doing scientific type work, forensic type work in the dog

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Man community. And we you know, and so we're sitting

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there on the campfire, we decided, you know, well, maybe

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maybe we need to do something about that. Maybe we

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need to start start like a little pre recorded it's

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I don't know what you'd call it a podcast or

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what you'd call what The dog Man Files is, but

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it's a it's a pre recorded YouTube show where myself, Coleman,

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Eric Schrader, and Scottie Routemaker all all guys on my team.

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You know, we get together and we talk about dog

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Man and we have guests on or we're hoping to

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have you on pretty soon. And basically we we take

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certain dog Man issues and we address it. Our very

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first one was was actually about the lot and werewolf

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and h strange story. There was a man there in

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Lawton back in what was it, Coleman seventy two or

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seventy four when the Lawton werewolf thing happened.

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Speaker 4: I want to say seventy two. I could you're wrong

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on that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, and he saw I know this is going

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to sound weird, but he saw one through his living

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room window and he had a heart attack and ended

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up in the hospital, but he survived and he told

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the story. So it was kind of kind of weird

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that you mentioned that. But anyway, we talked about a

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couple of things. We went over the Catherine Cross case

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pretty much in detail, talking about the tombstone that says

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murdered by human wolves in Conwall, Oklahoma. We had we

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recently just had texts from Texas back porch on and

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were picking his brain about dog man in Texas and

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some of the stories that he knows and and you know,

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and that's kind of our goal is we want to

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start reaching out to people in the dog man community

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that might have like, you know, one or two or

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three pieces of the puzzle and just just pick their brains,

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you know, and ask them the hard questions and you know,

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and we don't expect everybody to have all the answers,

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but maybe just maybe, you know, if we can just

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get one piece of the puzzle from everybody that we

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have on maybe when we get done with that project,

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you know, maybe we'll have a better idea what we're

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dealing with as a whole. You know, that's one of

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the problems with the dog Man community is we're not

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all getting together. It's like we get everybody over here

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doing all this freelance stuff, solo work, and and it's

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like very few people are working together as a whole.

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Of course, you know, the Bigfoot community has that problem too,

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so it's not like it's just one community. But but yeah,

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I'm just I don't know, we're trying to build bridges.

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I guess you could.

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Speaker 2: Say, well, that's good, that's always a good thing. Yeah,

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there's just way too much infighting in the community. There

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really is. I don't think that's ever going to go away.

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It's just one of those unfortunate things. Really, it really is.

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When you consider all the things that you've gotten the

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works right now, Brian, you're a teacher, You've got so

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many other things that you deal with. When the world

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possessed you to decide to create this dog Man documentary.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, I think I'll let Coleman take that question

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because he was there when when basically, you know, we've

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always had uh, we've always we've always had dog Man

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on our radar, you know, and I've had encounters and

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but it's it seems like that, you know, the sasquatch thing.

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We get more sasquatch calls than we get dog Man calls.

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Probably probably four or five times more Sasquatch stuff than

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we do dog Man. And but you know, dog Man

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has always been you know, right there at all my

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heart and uh. And but we had something happen to us.

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I'm not exactly sure it was last winter that really

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I don't know. It just kind of triggered it. And

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it's like, yeah, I think our next project needs to

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be that, but I'm gonna let Coleman that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so parent o Brian is alluding to. We were filming,

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ironically for you know, our Bigfoot documentary, and you know

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that's the whole story in of itself, all the weird

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stuff that happened while filming that, you know. But we

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went out to film and in you over in southeast Oklahoma,

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far southeast Oklahoma, uh, with a night witness and we

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you know, first thing that was odd is you know,

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they did show us a track that they had found

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in an area close to where my understanding is where

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the eyewitness hat is encounter of what you know, he

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believed to be a sasquatch. But and they thought this

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track was, you know, a big foot track is kind

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of what they were thinking. But we looked at it

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and it mainly knows possible claw marks, which you thought

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was interesting with the track, and so you know, you know,

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I was talking to Brian about it and he was like,

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you know, that kind of looks like a possible dog

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man track, and I was like, you know, I see

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what you're talking about. And so, you know, that was interesting.

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But you know, we we weren't playing on you know,

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our main goal there was just to talk to them,

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film this.

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Speaker 4: Interview and you know, go about our day.

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Speaker 1: And so we filmed the interview and we're walking back

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to our vehicles and they were like, well, do you

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guys want to see where we found this track at?

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Speaker 4: And we almost didn't go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we almost said, you know, it's fine, but

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you know, we were like, yeah, let's go ahead and

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see it. And so, you know, they showed us and

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as we're kind of leaving that and heading back to

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the cars from that location, all of a sudden, we

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hear this loud, loud, loud, deep, guttural growl, and we

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all stop and everyone looks at each other. I thought

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at first it was like a chainsaw or something. Honestly,

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I thought someone was like cutting down a tree or

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something like that.

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Speaker 4: And I was looking around. I was like, what is that?

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And everyone just kind.

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Speaker 1: Of stopped and confused, and it kept going, and this

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growl repeated five times. If I'm not mistaken, I believe

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it was five times in a row. And it was

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the first three grounds were just super loud. I mean,

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it was just long, loud, Like I said, deep guttural growl.

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It wasn't quite like what you hear where it's like,

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you know, I could feel you know, my ribcage, you know,

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shaking or or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't quite to that extreme, but I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: Loud, and it was long enough to where we all

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agreed we should have seen it. I mean, it sounded

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like it was right there next to us that I mean,

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it was that loud. I mean I was very confused

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as to why. I was looking around and can see

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where this girl.

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Speaker 4: Was coming from. And we looked around, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, Brian, I'll let you picked up from here

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by O'Brien started looking around and you want to finish

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the rest of that story, Brian.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we didn't have cameras roll ate at the time

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of that, Like Coleman said, we just went down there

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to interview an eyewitness about a sasquatching counter that happened

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what four years prior. And you know, I don't even

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think I was I wasn't even suited up or anything

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for you know, expedition style. We were just kind of

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hiking around and and that thing when that happened, I

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mean it was it was loud and and we all

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agreed that it was canine sounding. I mean, it just

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it just sounded like a really big dog, you know,

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growling at us, and uh and there was five of

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us there, you know, and uh, all of us just

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kind of froze, and you know, it did it three

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times before we even I mean before we kind of

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came out of it. You know. It was like and

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I think I said something like, you know, we need

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a film, we need to film or something. I don't

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remember what I said. I was I was wigging, you know.

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It was. It was so weird because I was trying

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to figure out where this sound was coming from, and

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it's like it's like right there. It's like it should

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be like twenty yards in front of us, and there's

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nothing there. And and uh, you know, so once we

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got the camp was rolling and stuff. I started flanking it.

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I kind of went around and was flanking it. The

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guys were standing there filming. The two eyewitnesses were just

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kind of standing there and anyway, so I kind of

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flanked it, got up on the hill and was looking

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and I just didn't see anything. And so I told

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the guys to go ahead and advance. And we got

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up there and there was nothing, nothing there, whatever it was,

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And and I hesitate. You know, I consider myself a

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flesh and blood in person, and I don't like all

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this weird stuff because it takes me kind of out

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of my comfort zone. But you know, after I think

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we were driving home, we were driving back to the

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hotel or whatever, and you know, it took us about

475
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an hour and a half of driving and arguing about

476
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:03,000
what it was or what could happen before somebody finally said,

477
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,480
whatever it was was invisible. And and that's the only

478
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,400
thing I can come up with, is whatever it was

479
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,440
was invisible. We were looking up in the trees, we

480
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:20,240
were looking everywhere. It just it was weird. And you know,

481
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,359
I've spent a lot of time thinking about that and

482
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,160
it's just kind of been going over and over and

483
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,640
over in my head and I don't know, that's when

484
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,880
the you know, that's where the seed for the dog

485
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,720
Man documentary kind of came out, because you know, that

486
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,039
and the frustration, I guess you could say for you know,

487
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,160
real boots on the ground dog Man documentary that's actually

488
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,279
done out in the woods. You know, there are dog

489
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,920
man documentaries out there, but you know, not very many,

490
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,359
and it's mainly like interviews and stuff like that. We thought,

491
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,400
you know, maybe people would want to watch us actually

492
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,119
go out to the places that we know have a

493
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,480
reputation for dog man activity and specifically target those areas.

494
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,680
And so after talking with Coleman about it and Eric

495
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:21,119
and you know, everybody was like, yeah, I mean, why

496
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,880
not just specifically target those areas. So that's the plan.

497
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,920
You know. Of course, a lot of the tactics are

498
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,839
going to be the same for Sasquatch, but we are

499
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,480
going to be changing some locations as there are areas

500
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:42,400
in Oklahoma, as you know, that have reputations for dog men.

501
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. You know a lot of places out there now.

502
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,960
I'd be surprised if there are any dog main documentaries

503
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,000
out there that you haven't actually watched, Brian. But I

504
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,880
don't want to come to jumped into conclusions or anything

505
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,599
like that. There might be some out there that you

506
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,319
haven't But with all the ones that you have watched

507
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:04,319
in mind, that obviously gave you a really good feel

508
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,599
for how most of them are. You mentioned the fact

509
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,759
that almost all of them just revolve around interviewing dogmen

510
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:13,960
eye witnesses. But besides wanting to have this feature boots

511
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,920
on the ground investigations, are there any other qualities you

512
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,759
wanted your documentary to have that that makes your documentary

513
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:23,920
different from what's already out there.

514
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,759
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm gonna like Coleman take that. He's

515
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:28,960
the producer.

516
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: Obviously.

517
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,839
Speaker 1: Besides, like Brian said, a big thing that's important for

518
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,720
us and we when I first brought the idea to

519
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:43,359
Brian of doing the Bigfoot documentary before, like you said,

520
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,839
we had the experience with the growls and stuff.

521
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,119
Speaker 4: You know, even with the.

522
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,599
Speaker 1: Bigfoot documentary we're talking about, you know, we really wanted

523
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,480
to be you know, we want to interview eye witnesses.

524
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,799
Speaker 4: Of course that's important, that's very important.

525
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: But you know, we want to make sure we have

526
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,759
lots of research, there lots of boots on the ground

527
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,759
doing the research. Because so many of the documentaries and

528
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,759
I'm not trying to criticize or anything, you know, it's

529
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,680
there's a lot of great Bigfoot and cryptive documentaries out there,

530
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,119
and like I said, the interviews and those documentaries are important.

531
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,400
It's not trying to criticize or whatever. But I think

532
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,480
there's something missing in the fact that, you know, there

533
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:18,960
could be more actual field research. And I feel like

534
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,960
that and was getting neglected, you know, so to speak.

535
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,240
And so you know, what if we did these documentaries

536
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:29,720
and included more actual research actually you know, and showing

537
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,440
how we research and why we research the ways we do,

538
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,960
and hopefully that can help people, you know, if they

539
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,799
want to research and collect evidence and things like that,

540
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
you know, they can maybe get some ideas from us

541
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,960
and how we do things, how we set up our

542
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,759
audio recorders, how we set up our camp you know,

543
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,359
stuff like that, what equipment do we use, what methods

544
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:52,160
do we use, and so you know, it's the same

545
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,920
logic applies to the dog Mam documentary is you know,

546
00:32:56,279 --> 00:33:00,839
showing good research. You know, if there is, for example,

547
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,960
you know, a good opportunity to collect possible hair samples,

548
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,559
you know, showing how we do that and you know

549
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,000
how we can do that in a way that you know,

550
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,599
kind of doesn't compromise the hair sample itself or whatever.

551
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:15,839
You know.

552
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: How again, same thing with audio as well.

553
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Like that's very important and Brian will tell you, you know,

554
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,640
one of the most important pieces of equipment we've learned

555
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,039
that we can have on any expedition, whether it's a

556
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,400
more Bigfoot centered expedition or Dogman or whatever it is,

557
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,640
is audio. We've gotten so much incredible, really interesting pieces

558
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,000
of audio evidence over the last year really especially, so

559
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,039
that's you know, really important. So showing how we set

560
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:45,759
that up, and Brian's really good at that, you know.

561
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,880
He he sets up the audio reporters you know, to

562
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,200
have plenty of power to run overnight so he can

563
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,440
collect more audio and be able to go through it.

564
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,200
Just little stuff like that that I think can help people,

565
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,000
you know, show you know, different means methods of research

566
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,279
and hopefully they can incorporate it and collect their own evidence,

567
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,480
so to speak. So that's pretty much it. Yeah, just

568
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,960
really focusing on the on the research and things and

569
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,559
showing hopefully good research.

570
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,079
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a fresh approach to this. Yeah,

571
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:15,800
I mean, you can only do so much good by

572
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,920
putting out another documentary where you interview people who have

573
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,679
seen Dogmen. That's already been done before. There's nothing wrong

574
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,400
with that, but I really like this fresh approach you

575
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,000
guys are deciding to put out there for us. Now,

576
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:32,360
as far as the documentary goes, how long do you

577
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,320
think it's going to be before you publish it?

578
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:41,159
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. Hopefully not too long. I mean

579
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:42,400
that's a very vague answer.

580
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: We we've been working on filming and and and you know,

581
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,840
doing our research, and we've we've had some really cool

582
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,840
staff that can't talk a whole lot about Maybe we'll

583
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,119
talk about later on the video maybe, but.

584
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,159
Speaker 4: It just will have to see. It's just it's one

585
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:01,800
of those things. It's hard to tell. Hopefully, if I had.

586
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:05,039
Speaker 1: To give a guest, I would say may maybe maybe

587
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,199
late this year, early next year. I might be pushing it,

588
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,639
But I don't think that's too unrealistic.

589
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 4: But it's one of those things too.

590
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: And again, another conversation you know, we've had as a

591
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,000
group is making sure we're not rushing these projects out.

592
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,079
You know, we really want to make sure we're taking

593
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:24,360
our time to within reason, but make sure we're taking

594
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,400
our time to put something together good that people will

595
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,000
you know, enjoy. Like I said, when it comes to

596
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:30,760
the research, that's the main thing is we want to

597
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,840
put out, and so good researching and a good quality

598
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,760
documentary too, because I think oftentimes, unfortunately those two things

599
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,719
don't always go together.

600
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,639
Speaker 4: A lot of times.

601
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, you have a really great documentary that you know,

602
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,760
great researchers, but the quality may not always be there.

603
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,599
Speaker 4: And so for me, it's really important to have the good.

604
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: Editing, the good you know music and everything like that,

605
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,679
the cool drone shots or whatever, but also most importantly

606
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,360
having that good research and kind of letting you know,

607
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,599
those two things merge and show that you know, it

608
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,719
doesn't have to be an either or type thing. You know,

609
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,719
you can have a good quality documentary with good quality research.

610
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,400
So so I know, again i'm a vague answer, but

611
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,840
that's the best I can do. So whenever we feel

612
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,679
like it's ready and it's good to go, and we

613
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,840
have something worthy to present to people than you know,

614
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,239
we'll be out, but I don't think it'll.

615
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:20,599
Speaker 4: Be too long.

616
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: Well, I understand, and there's no rush, of course, have

617
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,239
you it's probably early for this, But have you put

618
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,559
your heads together and come up with the title for

619
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:31,719
the documentary yet?

620
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,039
Speaker 4: I don't know, Brian, you got any ideas. I don't

621
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:37,199
think we've even got that far.

622
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we were kind of joking around the end

623
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,400
of the day, but no, we haven't settled on anything.

624
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,119
And we eventually well see, we had it all figured

625
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:54,440
out for the Sasquatch documentary and it ended up changing

626
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,960
because of the high strangeness of the evidence that we found.

627
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,079
And again going forward with this dog Man documentary. You know,

628
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,119
I think that the evidence that we come up with,

629
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:13,760
then we've already come up with some evidence that I

630
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,320
think that needs to be you know, putting the proper

631
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,880
light put out there so that people can see it.

632
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,159
You know, you know, we're not going to you know,

633
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,760
gatekeep or hold back you know, something that we think

634
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,159
might be legitimate dog Man evidence, just so you know,

635
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,119
we can kind of keep that to ourselves, you know,

636
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:39,199
we put that out there. We're actually we're actually hoping

637
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,519
that people are going to reach out to us with

638
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:46,000
the stuff like hair samples and stuff like that, because

639
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,000
you know, it seems like we've just had so much

640
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,280
stuff going on. You know, I had a guy send

641
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,039
me some hair samples a couple of weeks ago. I

642
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,679
got back here. I'm not so sure it's not a

643
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,320
dog man hair sample, but you know, trying to find

644
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,119
somebody that has actual dog man hair that you know,

645
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,039
those people are just there if they if they exist

646
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:18,039
at all, they're not coming forward. And so I literally

647
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,320
have nothing to compare it to. But it's basically what

648
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:28,719
looks like extremely large and long wolf hair, and we

649
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,599
don't we're not supposed to have wolves in Oklahoma. And

650
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,119
the average length of you know, wolf hair is you know,

651
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,880
it kind of maxes out at about five inches for

652
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,400
you know, the guard hairs around the neck and stuff

653
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,920
and where it's thick. And this stuff is every bit

654
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,480
of seven inches long. So I know it sounds crazy.

655
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,199
I don't know what else it could be. I mean,

656
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,760
it's it's definitely some kind of canid that doesn't belong

657
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,599
in Oklahoma, and it's longer than normal. So but what

658
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:08,400
but what do I what do I compare it to.

659
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,920
You know, nobody else is out there claiming to have

660
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,360
dog man hair, and if they did, then they didn't

661
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,559
know what they were. They didn't document it properly before

662
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,480
they you know, shipped it off to you know, someplace

663
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,960
where it vanished and disappeared, you know, which which is

664
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,760
another problem that we have in the communities. You know,

665
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,760
once you send it to one of those places. That's

666
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,920
that's why I got into, you know, hair analysis is

667
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,199
because you know, I want to know myself what it

668
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,480
is that I've got. I don't want to you know,

669
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,199
send it off to somebody and trust them and just

670
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,519
have faith that they're going to you know, do my

671
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,440
sample right or tell me the truth about what it is,

672
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,480
or you know, you get too many stories it just

673
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:59,679
vanished or oh my lab assistant lost it or something

674
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,880
like that that you know, I don't know. I've got

675
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,599
a lot of frustrations and a lot of trust issues

676
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:10,079
when it comes to not just the dog man community,

677
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,400
but the bigfoit community as a whole too. So you know,

678
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,920
that's why we're trying to raise the bar and we're

679
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,280
trying to educate ourselves, and we're trying to make a

680
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,800
difference because you know, we can't get the answers that

681
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,079
we want out of the community, so we're going to

682
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:26,960
get them ourselves.

683
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:32,559
Speaker 2: That's one of the things about investigations, like you just mentioned.

684
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,559
You can find all sorts of impressive evidence. You can

685
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:38,440
find hears that actually did come from a dog. Mean,

686
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:42,960
you can find other evidence scat other things too, teeth.

687
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,599
I don't know of anyone who found a tooth yet.

688
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,599
A claw, yes, but not a tooth. You can find

689
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:52,360
evidence like that until you're blue in the face. But

690
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,440
what do you do with it? Like you said, if

691
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
you get some hair even here that's really off of

692
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,519
a dog, mean maybe a snatch it out of his

693
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,760
butt or something like that. Here, I've got a load

694
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,280
of dogmen here right here, my palm, one hundred percent genuine,

695
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,679
what do you do with it? Like you said, if

696
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,440
you send it in, it's going to wind up missing.

697
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,119
Whether that lab is exactly Brian, whether that lab is

698
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,760
on the up and up or not, that doesn't matter,

699
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,760
because it's gonna get out. If they do actually discover

700
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,679
that this hair that they are in possession of, it

701
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,400
belongs to some unidentified species, especially a cryptid. It's one

702
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,400
thing to discover an unknown chimp. But if you've got

703
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,760
here that is from a legitimate dog man, that's going

704
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,679
to disappear before you can, you can turn around. So

705
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,000
unless you're investigating for personal discovery, in my opinion, and

706
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,440
this is just Vic kind OF's opinion, unless you're investigating

707
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,679
for personal discovery for your own reasons, it seems like

708
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,320
it's just such an uphill battle that I just don't

709
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,000
know why you do it. I really don't. What are

710
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,719
your thoughts on that?

711
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,039
Speaker 3: Well, you know, before I get my thoughts on it,

712
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,159
I just say this. If you're if you are in

713
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,960
possession of some kind of hair sample like that, you know,

714
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,039
whether it be sasquatch or dog man or something else

715
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:29,800
that you think is highly unusual, you make an appointment

716
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,239
with me. Drive up here, we'll sit down, we'll look

717
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,960
at it together. You don't have to trust me. You know.

718
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,239
You can bring the hair sample in and you can

719
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,480
you can drive away with it. You know. I don't

720
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,599
want I don't want to keep it. But I'll tell

721
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:44,440
you what I will do for you. I'll take a

722
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,320
look at I'll give you my honest opinion, and we'll

723
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:50,199
we'll take a lot of pictures and I'll email you

724
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,360
all the pictures and the measurements and and you'll actually

725
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,800
be able to walk away with something to show for

726
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,079
it instead of just or poof it vanished. You know,

727
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,760
you don't. I'm not asking anybody to trust me. Hell

728
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,800
don't trust me. Drive up here and let's sit down

729
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,760
look at it together. We're actually going to be It's

730
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,599
not anytime soon, but going forward, we're actually going to

731
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,800
be going around to a couple of different locations here

732
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:27,119
in Oklahoma, and we're going to be teaching people. Yeah, yeah,

733
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:34,320
she's she's kind of retired, I think so. And usually

734
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,920
the hair samples that she got is they get destroyed

735
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,239
in the work that she does. So but yeah, I

736
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,239
probably should as a formality reach out to her. But

737
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:53,519
I'm still I'm on the fence with that. I kind

738
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,280
of struggle with that. She's she's still very controversial, and

739
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,320
I mean, she did, you know, document black bear hair

740
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,159
as a sasquatch hair. So, but be honest with you,

741
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,440
that kind of wasn't her fault. It wasn't in the

742
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:14,519
gene bank yet, so but she should have been able

743
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,320
to look at it with a microscope and tell so.

744
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,079
But anyway, that's a whole different story, and I wish

745
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:26,280
your luck and everything, but I don't know how responsive

746
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,280
she even is to anything anymore. But but now I

747
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,800
just I just want to help people, and you know,

748
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,079
you don't even have to trust me. I'll just take

749
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,880
pictures of it and measure it, and you know, we'll

750
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360
send you on your way. You know you can. You

751
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,159
can take take those pictures and you can send them

752
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:48,079
to as many people as you want. So but anyway,

753
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,519
I kind of got derailed there, Vic. What was your

754
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:55,079
What was your question? Again? I'm just passionate about this.

755
00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's okay. Before I do share that question

756
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:01,840
with you again, I just want to let the people

757
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,239
who are listening to the podcast version of the show

758
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,920
who can't see the video feed, let them know that

759
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,960
Brian was talking about a forensic scientist who is well

760
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,079
known amongst the cryptid community for doing DNA testing. I'm

761
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,039
not going to Namur, but that's who he was talking

762
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,519
about there. The question for you, Brian is, when you

763
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,719
consider all the obstacles in the way of actually gaining

764
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,360
any ground, if you do find some impressive evidence, what

765
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,159
are your thoughts on it being almost a waste of

766
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,199
time to try to go out and collect these pieces

767
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:43,079
of physical evidence for any other reason outside of personal discovery.

768
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:50,559
Speaker 3: Well, I think that the number one thing is as

769
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:56,960
we all deeply want to prove it to ourselves, and

770
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,320
I think that that's goal number one. I know that

771
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,440
that's my my personal goal. I think that's what Coleman wants.

772
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,199
And I don't you know, Red Dirk Cryptis does not

773
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,159
exist to prove that, you know, cryptids exist to the

774
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,039
general population. Unfortunately, that's just I don't think that's going

775
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,800
to happen. I think there's powers at play that is

776
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,559
going to keep this under wraps, and I think it's

777
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:29,400
going to continue to be an official mystery for decades

778
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:36,800
yet to come. Maybe if you know, Darby Orcut's a

779
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,760
project over there in North Carolina, you know, comes up

780
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,480
with something and actually proves that there is an undiscovered

781
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:51,639
primate species living in North America, And there may be

782
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,960
some things that'll start the ball rolling, But you know,

783
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,760
I think we're probably I don't know, probably a decade

784
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,559
away from getting any kind of test results out of

785
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:10,880
Darby what happened to Melba. He's very skittish about something

786
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,800
similar to what happened to her. Happening to him. I

787
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,960
actually had a conversation with Darby at Beachfoot this summer

788
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,079
and we were talking a little bit about her, and

789
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,280
you know, I told him my personal opinion was, you know,

790
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:34,280
it didn't really matter what kind of evidence she had.

791
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,159
She was the first one bringing the evidence to the

792
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,559
scientific community, and she was going to get both barrels

793
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,400
no matter what. That's the way science works. The first

794
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,880
person that brings evidence to the table of a controversial

795
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:56,320
nature is always going to get shot out of the saddle.

796
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,400
They are going to be the sacrificial land. That's the

797
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,039
way science works. And and she was the first one,

798
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,400
and she was going to take the hit. And so honestly,

799
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,360
you know, whether or not you like or research, or

800
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,519
whether you disapprove of her research and you don't like

801
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,880
her methods or anything else, the truth was is she

802
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,119
did the cryptic community a big favor because she was

803
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,000
the first one, and she basically got bit real hard

804
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,239
and by the community and everything else. And so but

805
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,039
it was going to happen. It was going to happen

806
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:40,400
no matter whose name was on that paper. And so

807
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,840
maybe maybe the second person is going to have better luck.

808
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,880
So but who who else can you send this stuff

809
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,960
to rather than Darby or Cut? I don't know, And uh,

810
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,000
you know, Darby or Cut. I really want to believe

811
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,880
that he's doing the right thing and that he's helping

812
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,639
the community. But if you're looking for fast answers, Darby

813
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:14,280
is not your person. I haven't even heard anybody come

814
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,639
out and say, hey, you know that sample that I

815
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:21,199
sent to him. I got my test results back and

816
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,719
they said that it was just a bear, it was this,

817
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,199
or it was that, it wasn't sasquatch. I haven't heard

818
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,920
anybody even get any negative test results back yet. If

819
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,280
you're looking for fast answers, you're not going to get

820
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,800
them there. You're talking years before you get an answer. So,

821
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:44,280
you know, I can usually rule out about ninety five

822
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,679
percent of all animal hair right out of the shoot

823
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,039
looking at it, looking at it through a microscope, you know, boom,

824
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,360
It's like I can tell you, well, that's that's an ungulate,

825
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,159
you know, I mean, it's it's getting It's actually fairly

826
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,039
easy to rule out. It's it just gets complicated and

827
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,119
you're looking at the differences between you know, different types

828
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,719
of primate hairs, telling the difference between a human hair

829
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,599
and bigfoot hairs. Where it starts to get slightly complicated,

830
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,119
it can still be done though.

831
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: And further complicating matters is look how different different ethnicities

832
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,880
of humans when it comes to how they're here looks.

833
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,599
I mean, it can really very wildly or widely. So

834
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,079
it's not easy at all. It really isn't. And talking

835
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,199
about the forensic scientist who we were just talking about her,

836
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,039
you were just mentioning when you look at what happened

837
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:36,800
to her, how she was treated. You talked about the

838
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,639
second one in line. Who'd want to be the second

839
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:43,199
one up? When you consider how she was treated. If

840
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,719
I was a forensic scientist, there's no way I'd want

841
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,880
to dip my toill in that water. No, thank you?

842
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean she's My heart kind of goes

843
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,760
out to her. I mean it was, you know, I

844
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,800
don't know if she saw it coming like it did.

845
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:01,599
I thought, you know, she probably thought she was helping

846
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:05,719
everybody and doing all this, and it's like everybody came

847
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,039
at her with claws and fangs and pitchforks and torches,

848
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,679
you know, but I guess it's, uh, that's that's the

849
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:19,360
way science works. So you know, back in several hundred

850
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,639
years ago, you know, we would burn people for scientific discoveries.

851
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,239
So I don't know. But anyway, I wish her well

852
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,480
and I hope she's doing good.

853
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: So I hope she is too, I really do. If

854
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,519
you've had a dog Mean the encounter that you'd like

855
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,760
help with, or maybe you want to be a guest

856
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,760
in the show, please go to Dogmandecounters dot com and

857
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,639
submit report. If you do that, then I'll be more

858
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:49,599
than happy to schedule a film consultation with you and

859
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,400
we'll take it from there. Also too, so that you know,

860
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,079
I released a new episode of my new Dogmian podcast

861
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,559
tonight nine pm Eastern Time, dog Me in Tail. If

862
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,840
you didn't know about it, I'd recommend you go check

863
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,679
it out. That show is not available on YouTube, though

864
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,280
it's available in your favorite podcast app, however, so that

865
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,199
makes it pretty easy to listen to that way, Coleman,

866
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,800
if you had if you could name at least one

867
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,320
thing that's on your bucket list when it comes to

868
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,440
dog me and relate to things you hope to accomplish

869
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:27,880
when you're out there investigating, name just one of them.

870
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:35,119
Speaker 1: For us Man, that's a tough one because there's so

871
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,360
much that's yet to be I mean, this field is

872
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:39,639
very much there's there's so much to learn, there's so

873
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,519
much to document. For me, I think the audio is

874
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:46,519
really interesting for me personally when it comes to any

875
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:51,239
of the grypted stuff. And so for me personally, I

876
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,039
would like to be able to learn more about dog

877
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:59,159
me and vocalizations and try to see, you know, is

878
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:02,039
there is there a certain audio signature, Like if you're

879
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:04,559
going to put you know, take a suspected dog man

880
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:08,119
vocal or how or whatever and put it on a spectrogram.

881
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: You know what, what would you want to look for?

882
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: You know that would if it would even you know,

883
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,519
differentiate it between you know, a large wolf oul or

884
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,559
you know, something along those lines. You know what, what's

885
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,360
something to look for? Obviously, know everyone knows what you

886
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,960
know Sasquat's vocalizations. You know, you've got the whoops, and

887
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,480
you know you've got the you know, samurai chatter and

888
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,760
things like that. You know, I would want to know

889
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,960
what is what is it with dog man? You know,

890
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:34,559
is there a certain frequency that we should be looking for?

891
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:38,039
Is there a certain audio signature? Those things really interest

892
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:39,719
me and I feel like there's a lot to be

893
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,800
learned there, so I would say that's probably close to

894
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,559
the top of the bucket list is to learn more

895
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:48,199
about the vocalizations and the audio evidence that's possibly out there.

896
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: That's one of those things you hear so many naysayers

897
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,679
when it comes to the existence of dog Man. They

898
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,400
say there is no evidence out there, there aren't any photos,

899
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:02,320
there aren't any videos. But yeah, there are really impressive photos.

900
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,960
There's really impressive video footage as well. Have you ever

901
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,840
seen any of this really impressive evidence, Coleman.

902
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,599
Speaker 4: I've seen some interesting tracks.

903
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,159
Speaker 1: You know. That's another thing too, is you know that

904
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,119
we've talked about on our podcast on Dogman Files, is

905
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,480
especially in the episode we did with text from Texts

906
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,760
from Porch, you know, talking about you know, you see

907
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,880
the pictures of the tracks, and some of them seem

908
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,320
to be similar, and some of them seemed a little

909
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:29,760
bit different.

910
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 4: Some of them seem to be.

911
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: Just a large regular, you know, almost wolf print or

912
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,239
canine print, and some of them almost have like a

913
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,360
like a humanoid type thing going on with like a

914
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,320
heel almost.

915
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 4: So I've seen stuff like.

916
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: That that was interesting, and that's another thing I would

917
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,760
like to learn more about is you know the tracks

918
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,800
they leave and you know what are what are signaturity

919
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,559
like the every like like I was saying earlier with

920
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,159
the sasspots is so different because we know about the

921
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,119
mid tarsal break.

922
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 4: You know, we know about those things.

923
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: We know about dimensions to for when it comes to

924
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,920
the length and the width of you know, a standard

925
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:07,199
you know sasquatch track that you can analyze and look at.

926
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,000
Those are things that you can all see to try

927
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,199
to gauge and whether or not if you're looking at

928
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,280
it genuine track.

929
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: Me by a bigfoot.

930
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,519
Speaker 1: But we don't really have that information really as far

931
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:18,679
as I'm aware of on dog Man and so you know,

932
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,000
those are the things too. I really hope we can

933
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,440
try to solve a little bit and research and find

934
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,840
commonalities there with like I said, the vocals and the tracks.

935
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,920
But I've seen interesting videos and stuff. It's hard for

936
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,719
me to know what's real and what's not. Unfortunately, especially

937
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,079
in today's age with AI, you know, it's such a mess.

938
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,920
There's so much fake stuff out there, and it's really unfortunate.

939
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,880
But you know, I've definitely seen some videos here and

940
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,199
there and pictures and you know, other things that are

941
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,719
very interesting without a doubt.

942
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some really impressive evidence like what you just named.

943
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,480
But I'm not sure how much time you too have

944
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,920
thought about this. But now that AI has become so advanced,

945
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:03,320
any hopefully add of moving the needle with impressive photo

946
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,719
evidence or video evidence has long since gone because with

947
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,079
AI being so advanced and so impressive the way it

948
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,440
is now present day, a picture of video is just

949
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,280
not going to get it done. Everyone's going to say, well,

950
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,000
that's just a I I don't believe it. What's your

951
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:20,920
take on that, Brian?

952
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got admitted. I think AI has kind of

953
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,880
ruined it in my opinion, if a piece of video

954
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,079
footage or a picture isn't pre you know, twenty twenty

955
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:42,360
or twenty twenty two, somewhere before that, I don't know.

956
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,119
I just I kind of dismiss it. You know, I

957
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:49,079
have some people that send me some interesting stuff and

958
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,480
I look at it, but you know, and I have

959
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:54,760
some of them that you know, they call me. They

960
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,840
get frustrated because they I don't know, I guess they

961
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,960
want me to put my stamp on it or something.

962
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,880
Then I'm not sure, but they get really frustrated with me.

963
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,519
And I'm just I'm just like, man, you can't believe

964
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:10,039
anything anymore. I mean, I wouldn't even expect anybody to

965
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,239
believe any video footage that I would actually come up

966
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,159
with them. I might put it out there for people

967
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:18,039
to see, but I'm not going to get upset if

968
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:22,679
you don't believe it. I just I don't know. There's

969
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:27,239
some really good footage out there. In my opinion, I

970
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:32,000
think probably the creepiest dog man footage I think is

971
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:35,239
that I think it was Ohio where they had the

972
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,599
dog Man digging in the graveyard and those two chicks

973
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:43,639
film that. I mean, there's just something about the way

974
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,880
that thing looks and how skinny the arms are and

975
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,960
how big the hands are. It's like, man, that just

976
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,000
can't be a costume. And the I mean, what the

977
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:56,320
hell was that thing doing and what was going on?

978
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,840
I just I don't know. I will say this though,

979
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:03,480
often thought anybody it's ever been to a cemetery and

980
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:06,440
really kind of looked around. They have a lot of

981
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:10,719
like moles, and you know, you see those little pent

982
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,480
miles of dirt that's kind of pushed up, and I

983
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,400
couldn't help but wonder if maybe it was trying to

984
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,320
catch one of those or something that I really I

985
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,400
really don't know, but that's some pretty impressive footage. I'm now,

986
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:25,239
to the best of my knowledge, I don't think it's

987
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:30,280
been debunked, but I mean I've been duel before. I

988
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,599
mean it probably won't be the last time. So I

989
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:36,320
think that's very interesting. There's some other stuff out there

990
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,679
floating around, you know that that is of great interest

991
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,360
that as far as like no evidence being out there

992
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,360
to be found, Oh it's out there. I think a

993
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,320
lot of it is misidentified. For instance, that guy that

994
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,079
we went down there to interview, he literally took the

995
00:58:56,119 --> 00:59:01,159
time to cast this print, and he actually, for an amateur,

996
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:03,679
he documented it very well. He had like four or

997
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:06,639
five pictures of this print that he had taken from

998
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:12,519
different angles, which actually shocked me. But it I kind

999
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,559
of I'm over here kind of looking at Coleman, and

1000
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:18,039
I'm like, I think that's I don't think this is

1001
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,679
a Sasquatch print. I think this is one of those

1002
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,559
human looking dog man prints. And so I reached out

1003
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,880
to some people in the Bigfoot community. I actually reached

1004
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,440
out to Jody Cook and asked him what he thought

1005
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,360
of it. And he actually noticed that it had a

1006
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:42,519
three toed dog man print inside the big print, so

1007
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:44,599
it was like a print, and stepped in it. And

1008
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:46,679
I hadn't even noticed that it was a three toed

1009
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,039
one it was, So that was a good catch on

1010
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:54,079
his part. But I'm pretty grateful for that. So it's

1011
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:57,360
like one type of dog man stepped in the sand

1012
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,719
and then a different type of dog man stepped in

1013
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,519
the t right, So that's what's the chances of that happening.

1014
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:10,079
But their stuff out there, it's just I think a

1015
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,079
lot of people lose the evidence. I had a guy

1016
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:17,119
reach out to me from south of Tacomsa who claimed

1017
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,239
that his neighbor had taken a picture of a nine

1018
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,960
inch canine track. I mean that would be like this

1019
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:27,320
big around and you know, of course the poato the

1020
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,920
camera that this photo was on, it died or it

1021
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:33,639
quit and they just it was backed up and they

1022
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,679
lost it forever, you know, and it's like, what do

1023
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,199
you do with all this stuff? It's you know, it's

1024
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,400
just it's just like everything else, a lot of stuff

1025
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,679
gets lost, a lot of stuff gets misidentified. As far

1026
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:50,119
as dog men audio, you know, there's a lot of

1027
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:55,360
there's a there's I think there's like five or six

1028
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,920
different audio vocalizations floating around on the internet that supposedly

1029
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,880
of a dog man. Every single one of them sound

1030
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,039
completely different. What do you what do you do with that?

1031
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,400
We were we were down at uh down at one

1032
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,679
of our hotspots this weekend, and you know, I've got

1033
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:24,480
a bunch of audio of what sounds like wolves howling.

1034
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:28,760
We don't we don't have wolves in Oklahoma, but it

1035
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,199
just you know, I'm a former coyote hunter. You know,

1036
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,280
I used to hunt coyotes for almost twenty years, and

1037
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:40,320
you know, I've got you know, electronic game calls with

1038
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:44,880
you know, dozens of different types of coyote vocalizations, and

1039
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:48,159
you know, I've mimicked them myself, and I've been out

1040
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:50,840
in the field. I've heard of myself. Grew up a

1041
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,679
good portion of my life out on the farm, you know,

1042
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,639
went to bed with them howling, you know, and I

1043
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:01,840
know what coyotes sound like. That was not kayes and uh.

1044
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,000
You know, we had a couple of other team members

1045
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,679
that were out there with us, and they live out

1046
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:09,039
on a ranch in western Oklahoma, and they're like that

1047
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,920
ain't coyotes, you know, what is that, you know, But

1048
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:18,480
it just sounded deeper, larger, bigger lung capacity. There wasn't

1049
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:22,199
all the yips and the yipes act when the little

1050
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,320
ones that you know sometimes you get into it and

1051
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,599
that the young pups have to get in there and

1052
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,280
they have to do their little yipping and nipping. There's

1053
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,199
none of that. It's just it's just all big dogs.

1054
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:35,880
And I'm not sure if what we weren't here and

1055
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,159
might have been a pack of dog man or something

1056
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:41,880
that had spread out, because and they weren't. They weren't

1057
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,880
like all in one pack. It was like one was

1058
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,880
over here, there was two over here to the south,

1059
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,079
and then there was one off to the east, and

1060
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:51,960
they were kind of spread out a little bit. But

1061
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,679
I've got some very interesting audio that I'm not sure

1062
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:58,000
what to do with. When you put it on a spectrograph,

1063
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:04,079
it actually looks different on spectagraph And I'm not going

1064
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:07,039
to really elaborate on that just yet, because you know,

1065
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:11,119
it's our research is in its infancy, and you know,

1066
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:14,960
a podcasts like this alive and it'll live forever, and

1067
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:17,760
I don't want to be quoted ten years from now

1068
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,440
saying something stupid when we're just learning, you know, but

1069
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:24,840
we're we're trying to get we're trying to learn, we're

1070
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,920
trying to figure this stuff out. Again. If you've got

1071
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,440
some audio that you want to share with us, I mean,

1072
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:34,639
I'd love to listen to it going on a spectrograph

1073
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,159
and you know, see see what it looks like. But

1074
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,880
you know, solid answers, I don't have those yet, but

1075
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:44,679
I'm working on it.

1076
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard to give any solid answers on vocalizations.

1077
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,559
There's so many critters out there that have so many vocalizations.

1078
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:55,400
I mean, we don't know what the limits of their

1079
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,119
vocalization to build what these are. Think about how many

1080
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:03,119
different sounds foxes make, for example, And then when you

1081
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:06,400
take the consideration how intelligent these guys are, I'm sure

1082
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,320
they have a lot more in their bag of tricks

1083
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,719
than what most animals have. So when someone sends me

1084
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,400
a recording, end, I'm not a researcher, I'm not an investigator,

1085
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:20,960
So I try not to devote any time to analyzing audio,

1086
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,119
photos or anything like that. I just try to help

1087
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:27,280
the eyewitnesses. But people ask me, can a dog me

1088
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,199
and make this noise? Well, I don't know. We don't know,

1089
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,320
because again we don't know what the limits of their

1090
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,159
abilities are. And a touch on what you said about

1091
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:38,480
that nine inch print. Something to keep in mind. That's

1092
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,639
another thing that I get all the time photos of prints.

1093
01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:45,760
Keep in mind that the largest canid print that's ever

1094
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:51,719
been cast or found basically was left by a timber

1095
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,679
wolf if it was six inches long by five inches wide.

1096
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:59,360
Because wolves have prints unlike dogs. They have prints that

1097
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,159
are a little bit long longer than wide. They don't

1098
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:04,880
really have that round profile the way dog prints do.

1099
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:09,679
But anyway, like I said, the biggest print was six

1100
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,039
inches long by five inches wide. If we're talking about

1101
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,519
a nine inch print, well that tells you everything that

1102
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:19,119
you need to know right there. It really does.

1103
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: Brian.

1104
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: If anyone in your area in Oklahoma has a dog

1105
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,880
me in the counter that they want to contact you about,

1106
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,360
or even a sasquatch encounter they want to contact you about,

1107
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:32,320
what's the best way for them to do.

1108
01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: That, Well, you can reach out to us using old

1109
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,480
school email. It's red dirt cryptids. There's an ass at

1110
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:45,440
the end at gmail dot com. Or you can hunt

1111
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:49,440
us down on our Facebook page and you can hit

1112
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:54,400
me or Calming up on a messenger. That seems to

1113
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,079
be the easiest way to find us. But yeah, we're

1114
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:02,400
real easy to find on Facebook. If you're trying to

1115
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,719
get a hold of us, you know, that's that's that's

1116
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,039
the two approved methods. And but yeah, and if you

1117
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:11,679
want to reach out to Coleman, he's got a lot

1118
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:17,760
of expertise and uh, paranormal stuff, So he's probably going

1119
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,679
to be the person that I lean on when it

1120
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:24,199
comes to, you know, telling the difference between whether this

1121
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,639
is a supernatural paranormal event or or flesh and blood.

1122
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:31,719
We're we're gearing up for that and we're trying to

1123
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:34,920
tool up to be able to you know, determine that

1124
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,639
that's much more bad, more stuff in our bag of tricks.

1125
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,639
But but yeah, we'll try to help people. You know.

1126
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:44,440
I'm I'm just like everybody else. I have a full

1127
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,519
time job and and but yeah, you know there's anything

1128
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:50,639
I can do to help people, just let me know.

1129
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,920
But like I said, I always tell people if I

1130
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,360
tell you no or you know, if I give you

1131
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,880
bad news, well this isn't what you thought it was.

1132
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,480
Don't be mad, don't shoot the don't shoot the messenger.

1133
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,920
I just I'll shoot it to you straight. I'll give

1134
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,800
you bad news, just I just give you the truth. Yeah,

1135
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,159
is what it is.

1136
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: So well, that's really goodness. That should be give it

1137
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,239
to them straight and dirty. I mean, there's no sense

1138
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,760
in blowing smoke. And if anyone out there is wondering

1139
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,400
if they've had an encounter in Oklahoma or in Brian's

1140
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,960
area period, if you're thinking about contacting him, like he said,

1141
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,559
he will shoot you straight and he'll do you right,

1142
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,079
so highly recommend that you do contact him. Coleman, I've

1143
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:45,440
noticed that your channel on YouTube it's not titled Dogman Files.

1144
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:50,000
It's actually under the red cryptids channel. For anyone who

1145
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,039
wants to check out your podcast, Dogman Files, which I

1146
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,719
hope they do when droves, please promote it.

1147
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, dogm and Files is on you know, Brian's redert

1148
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,960
crypt Investigations channel. Pretty much all my focus and work

1149
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,960
right now is you know, with redt and you know,

1150
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,559
future documentary projects as well as you know of course the.

1151
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,639
Speaker 4: New podcast we've been kind of working on.

1152
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: So definitely if you are interested in that, when check

1153
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,000
it out, subscribe to Reddort Crypt Investigations do all.

1154
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,239
Speaker 4: The good YouTube stuff.

1155
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:27,319
Speaker 1: Notification Bill all that, and you know, stay tuned for

1156
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,920
new episodes of that. We definitely have some cool ideas

1157
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,359
of what we want to do in the future.

1158
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, well said. And if anyone wants to be

1159
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,239
a guest on dog Mean Files, what's the best way

1160
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:39,720
for them to see that through?

1161
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,039
Speaker 1: I would say if you reached out to Brian through

1162
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:47,560
like you was saying, either you know, Facebook, Messenger or email,

1163
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,119
it's probably gonna be the best bet. I guess if

1164
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,000
you really want to message me on Facebook, you can

1165
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:53,319
as well, and you.

1166
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 4: Know, I'll go with Brian and you know, work something out.

1167
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: But probably the same contact info that Brian gave earlier

1168
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,239
is probably just going to be your best. If you're

1169
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:03,119
an eyewitness or if I had some type of encounter,

1170
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:04,359
you know, definitely reach out.

1171
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: Well, that makes it really easy. Before we get out

1172
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,000
of here, I just want to put it out there

1173
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,039
one more time, if you've had a dog Mean encounter

1174
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,399
that you want to contact me about, if you need

1175
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,039
help with it, if you want to be a guest

1176
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:19,520
on the show, please go to Dogmandecounters dot com and

1177
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,680
submit a report. If you do that, I'll be more

1178
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,600
than happy to contact you and schedule a consultation. If

1179
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I had a nickel for every time I see someone

1180
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ask me, well, how do I contact VIC? If you

1181
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,079
had an encounter that I need help with, how do

1182
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:36,560
I get that help? I find a nickel for every

1183
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time I see that question popping up, I'd be a

1184
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rich man now. So yeah, I just wanted to put

1185
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that out there one more time, so hopefully anyone like that,

1186
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here's it. But yeah, I'm sure there's still gonna be

1187
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quite a few questions like that. But what can you do?

1188
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Having said all that, gentlemen, I can't thank you enough

1189
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for coming on the show like this, especially again at

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such short notice. I really do appreciate. And of course

1191
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in the future, if I can never help you out,

1192
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please let me know. And like Brian touched on at

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the start of the show, I am going to be

1194
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a guest on dog Me and Files and of course

1195
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I'm looking forward to that. So yeah, I guess that's

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going to be a live stream that's going to air

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in the twenties, so it's not it'll probably drop a

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week after that.

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Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of editing that goes into it,

1200
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,560
but yeah, yeah, we're looking forward to that and hopefully,

1201
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,720
you know, we can pick your brain and get a

1202
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:39,039
few extra pieces to the puzzle to throw into. Maybe

1203
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:42,359
maybe we can help come up with some answers.

1204
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: That sounds like a plan, and like I said, I'm

1205
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,079
looking forward to it. I really am. But having said that,

1206
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:51,520
thanks again so much for your time, gentlemen. I really

1207
01:10:51,600 --> 01:11:15,439
appreciate it, and have a great nights.