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your support. So let me start with this tidbit from

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the New York Post how. Jimmy Kimmel, who is the

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host of the Unfunny Late Show or whatever it is,

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the Jimmy Kimmel Live Show, he insinuated on Monday night

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that Charlie Kirk's assassin was actually a member of the

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quote Maga gang. Now this was Monday night, before he

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knew any information about the actual details. He just promoted

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the narrow that the Left has been spinning that the

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shooter was Maga because his parents were registered Republicans. And

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so that's enough proof in order to you know, throw

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a bunch of floaters in the punch bowl. Sorry, I

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know it's still lunch hour here anyway, And then he

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also mocked Donald Trump's response to the death. He brought

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up the matter during his monologue and claimed right wing

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critics were hitting new lows trying to frame the suspect

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as someone who wasn't maga. Quote, we hit some new

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lows over the weekend with the Maga gang desperately trying

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to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything

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other than one of them and doing everything they can

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to score political points from it. Right, So this is indicative.

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It's illustrative how media and a lot of people on

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the political left react to these situations. By the way,

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political right does this too. Whenever something like this happens,

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like I see it, I see people like trying to,

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you know, construct sort of a pre story to get

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some information out there that this is who I think

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it could be, you know. And I also see people,

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oh God, I hope it's not one of ours. Right,

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But when you see a victim that is a high

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profile political activist like Charlie Kirk was the immediate guess

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is he was murdered for his politics. He was murdered

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because he is a high profile conservative Christian. That was

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the first inclination from for a lot of people on

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the right, and they spoke it. I spoke it. That

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is the most obvious thing. When you hear the hoof beats,

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think horses, not zebras. That's not to say I know,

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that's not to say that it wouldn't be somebody else.

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But as it turns out, our instinct was correct, and

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I suspect there are a lot of people on the left,

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particularly not the radical left, but more left of center

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liberal types, moderate types, if you will. I think there

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are a lot of people that want to believe that

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it wasn't somebody from quote their side, and so they

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get these tidbits of information, they get it from an authority,

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if you can call them that, like Jimmy Kimmel, and oh,

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thank goodness, I'm going to latch onto that. So that

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becomes the narrative, It calcifies, and then people believe it

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for years later, much like they believe that Hillary Clinton

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only lost the election because the Russians stole it. Last

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number I saw on that was like sixty percent of

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Democrats still believe that the Russians hacked the election and

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stole it for Donald Trump. So the left does have

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its own conspiracy theories too, But there's also I was

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thinking about this today after watching this interview that independent

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journalist Andy No did with Winston Marshall on his podcast

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released yesterday, and I'm starting to wonder, are a lot

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of Democrats scared not of the right. We didn't burn

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down cities when Charlie Kirk was murdered, We didn't behave

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like y'all behaved after George Floyd was killed. But I

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started wondering, is it possible that a lot of these

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people left of center, more moderate Democrat elected officials, whatever,

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that they're actually afraid of the radical leftists in their

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base because they see what they're doing. Obviously you can

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see what they're doing, especially in this case, and is

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that the reason why they don't want to be critical

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of this menace that is rising? And it is rising, Okay,

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it is rising. The trend line on this is up

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and up dramatically within the last five years. Andy No

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has been tracking and reporting on this radical left wing

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movement for gosh, going back to twenty fifteen or so.

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But this is my concern, is that they're too afraid

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to speak up, which, by the way, is exactly the

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point of this kind of an assassination. It wasn't just

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to silence Charlie Kirk. It's also to silence everybody that

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agrees with Charlie Kirk, to make them afraid. And you

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don't have to believe me on that. Here is Stephen Bonnell,

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who is known online as Destiny. This guy was on

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Piers Morgan Uncensored the other day along with Jack potsobiic.

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I think is how he pronounces the last name there

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who is a friend of Charlie Kirk's. And this I

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don't use these terms, I don't talk in this way,

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but this guy, like you watch this performance of this guy,

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Steven Bonell aka Destiny. He comes across as just flat

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out demonic. He's mocking Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk's wife, his widow,

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Jack pasobiec his friend mocking him. And he says at

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one point in the interview, and it's a panel discussion.

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And to her credit, Anaksperian, one of the founders of

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The Young Turks, a left wing YouTube show, she tore

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into him. She had a morally I think, objectively honest

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but also good response to the murder. She was horrified

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by it, and she doesn't form her opinions based on

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anybody else or based on what Donald Trump thinks or whatever.

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Because Destiny was saying, well, I'll condemn it when Donald

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Trump says we should have peace and all this like

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making his own speech and actions contingent on what Donald

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Trump does. Why so he can avoid having to condemn

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the thing because he doesn't want to condemn it. Because

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if you look at his quotes in social media and

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on his stream channel, he doesn't condemn it. He advocates it.

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He said during this paneled scream fest, Piers Morgan has

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allowed that show to just become I think James Lindsay

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called it the Jerry Springer of YouTube. But he says, quote,

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if you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, donald Trump

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shouldn't have been president for the second term. What is

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he saying there? That Kirk deserved it, as do all

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Trump supporters. That's what he's saying. If you want to

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be alive, then don't vote for the person I hate.

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That is an implicit threat to murder. Piers Morgan ripped him.

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The other guests ripped him for this, and he would

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not budge off of this, off of this position a

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few weeks before, Destiny told CNN that he hated Turning

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Point USA's founder Charlie Kirk and called him a Satan spawn.

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He doubled down on his vitriol for the Kirk family Monday,

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when he mocked Erica Kirk and accused Turning Point USA

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and Republicans of weaponizing a widow's grief to try to

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do recruitment for the political party. In a stream shortly

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after Kirk's assassination, Destiny declared, quote, you need conservatives to

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be afraid of getting killed when they go to events,

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so they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature.

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You need conservatives to be afraid of being murdered, and

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that's going to prompt their leadership to quote turn down

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the temperature. So I'm going to threaten you with murder

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if you don't disavow murder. He says. Right now, they

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conservatives don't feel like there's any fear, so he wants

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there to be fear. And then he said on another stream,

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he says, I have moved full on to the political

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violence level, or the real violence level when it comes

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to conservative people. He then posted yesterday that he had

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been he had been taken down off of I think

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it was Twitch, the streaming platform, but then people pointed

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out that he had actually been taken off of Twitch

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two years ago. He's still on YouTube. As I understand it,

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reject the evil it destroys. So when I was a kid,

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my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my

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mom and my dad took care of him as he

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got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and

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not much support for caregivers and family. But things are

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different today because of the work of so many people,

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including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great

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organization with awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a

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supporter for twenty five years. This cause means a lot

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to me. I participate in the annual Walk to end

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Alzheimer's and I'm leading a Charlotte team again this year,

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This is why we walk. Just gonna put this out

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there too before I get to this audio from Andy

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No talking with Winston Marshall. In every other issue besides

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the violence of Antifa. In every other issue, the left

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argues that fear and intimidation works every other one, but

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when it comes to the actions of Antipha, it's like,

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oh no, no, that's not intimidation. When you hear guys

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like this idiot Destiny, when he says the stuff that

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he says, saying that you Charlie Kirk died because of

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the way you voted, and if you keep voting for Republicans,

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we're going to keep killing you and your friends. Basically,

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that's intimidation, that's terroristic threats. But he walks the line,

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so he's below the color of law. But the implication

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is quite clear. It's fear and intimidation. That's what ANTIFA does.

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That's why they're defacing all of the memorials. There was

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another one in UNC Wilmington. I saw another one somewhere else.

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There was the rock at arderie Kel, Right, that's what

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they're engaging in. It's intimidation, it's shut uppery. So through

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that lens, here's Andy No with Winston Marshall. And by

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the way, Winston Marshall former banjo player for Mumford and Sons.

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Years ago he read a book by Andy No and

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he tweeted it out and said interesting or this really

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makes me think, or some interesting concepts in here, something

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like that, and for that he was canceled and kicked

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out of the band. Andy No sat for this interview

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and I think they've talked before, but he makes the

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argument that there is a kind of asymmetrical warfare going

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on right now.

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Speaker 2: We're not a hot war, obviously not a hot civil war,

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but one side is by a large margin willing to

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use the buying means necessary tactics.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, not fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: Of the those pulled are actually going to go out

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and kill somebody for a political reason. But the support

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is actually, really, really support important to the radicalization of

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a society. Actually it's extremely important, which is why the

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last really work as a machine to make sure that

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that truths that are inconvenient to them about political violence

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on the left is suppressed, that those who do reporting

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about it are bullied at the very least, and or

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a targeted for violence worse, or a deplatform somehow. Their

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project is to mainstream support for the use of violence

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so that their radicals can go out and do it

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with impunity. And they've had a lot of success in that.

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You know, when this fifty percent figure you just reference

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from that great study, how it looks on the ground

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is then you can have places out throughout Portland again

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an environment where ninety percent, more than ninety percent of

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the far violent insurrectionists in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,

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how their cases immediately dropped, okay, dismissed by the prosecutor

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himself a partisan at that time.

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Speaker 3: In an ideologue someone last he was.

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Speaker 1: Talking about a poll that and we've talked about this,

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the National Contagion Research Institute, that showed like fifty percent

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of people who identify as liberal or very liberal that

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they are at least somewhat supportive of political violence. And

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what he's talking about is the permission structure, Like this

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is part of the framework that you have to have

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this high level of support. So you then have the

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ability if you are in the radical wing and you

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are interested in committing the violence, then you've got cover

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because you've got the support. Right, you can like Robert Rudolph,

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you can Eric Robert Rudolf, the abortion clinic bomber, and

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the Olympic bomber. How he was able to stay on

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the run for so long because people in the community

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supported him and what he had done. Right, So you

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rely on that. It gives you the impunity to then

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go and commit the acts of violence. And then here's

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a quick clip of him explaining sort of the anti

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Speaker 2: To intimidate one the local government and also show their

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might and try to intimidate the federal government that our

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violence is not confined to this one small area of downtown.

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We can take it elsewhere, you know, and we can

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cow the local authorities, all of them, the governor, cow

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the governor, make police the police department afraid to show up,

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which they did, and get popular support for it. That

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is part of the insurrection, and I used at that

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time in my reporting. I didn't use the word insurrection

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to describe it since have because there was an anti

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government agenda. Of course, how the press to this day

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reports on that time of violence is that these were

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racial justice protests.

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Speaker 1: Right insurrection. Storming of the capitol not insurrection. Laying siege

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to federal properties for months, almost a year, every single

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day not insurrectionist, even though they're calling for the deconstruction

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of the government itself and the fear putting fear and

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appeared on the Winston Marshall podcast, the YouTube show Andy Talk.

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They talked at length about ANTIFA, which has its fingerprints

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all over the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and he describes

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in this clip. He describes the tactics here.

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Speaker 2: Here's another reason why I say it's a symmetrical warfare.

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I think a significant portion of the left understands that

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violence works. They want prosecutors to be afraid to prosecute,

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they want governors to be afraid to send in the

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National Guard, and they want jurors who are serving on

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trials also to know that if there isn't a conviction

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of somebody they want convictor that there will be mass violence.

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I think the American right hasn't woken up to this

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reality of what we're dealing with here.

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like a lot more people have

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woken up in the last week to this. He was

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also critical of media, very critical of media and how

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they handle violence from the left.

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Speaker 2: The tactics to deflect, mislead and lies. It's done every time,

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like or ignore, ignore. When they can't do anything else,

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they ignore. I just thought of some more examples, going

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back to Portland. There was before the election, there were

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all these warnings about how the threat to democracy and

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elections come from the right and from MAGA, and in

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Portland we had ballot boxes that were Portland and a

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neighboring city than Cubert Washington, ballot boxes that were set

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on fire, quite shocking attacks on democracy.

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Speaker 3: Literally hundreds of ballots were destroyed, and.

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Speaker 2: A message that was left behind is that it was

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done for Gaza, and the story just kind of went away.

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Nobody's been arrested still or in September now, then the

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county election office where Portland is was completely smashed up

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the night of the election also coincided timeline wise with

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some of the arson attacks, and the people there left

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behind anarchist symbols, which maybe a hint that they were

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part of the Antifah network.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that was completely ignored.

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Speaker 2: If you talk to people in Portland, they on't even

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know that our own elections offices were the analysers matched

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up in this way. So I become I don't know

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what the term is, it black billed. It's like when

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it comes to the press, it's like, you're so I

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tweeted this out after Charlie was I said, I was

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responding to video on MSNBC where they had only contributor

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say that Charlie may have been shot by one of

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his supporters who were celebrating. I don't know if you

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remember that. I was so angry and thought that was

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so disgusting, but some emblematic of thousands of examples by now,

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going back to twenty sixteen, I said, but the press

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all the enemy of the people, and I never said

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that before. I didn't like that type of rhetoric when

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I heard it years ago from Trump, But actually I

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think he's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: The American press.

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Speaker 2: Is really, really sick. I would say it's not as

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bad as in the UK. In the US you have

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some really really twisted sick people who work in media.

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Speaker 3: Say they're like sociopathic.

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Speaker 2: Actually, unfortunately, I've had personal dealings with a lot of them,

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and so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sociopathic. Yeah. Study show these types of personalities are

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attracted to particular professions, including politics, media, and lawyers. So

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he's not wrong there. He also warns that this threat

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has now metastasized.

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Speaker 2: I do what I do and I get a lot

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of threats for it. I've had to move away from

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my country as a result, and that's the cost of

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this type of work. And the threat is mutating into

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something else, like the whole anti anti fund radical life

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movement has now really quite centered trans militancy at the

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forefront and within the mainstream trans rights propaganda. They explicitly

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call for violence on their plat cards, on their shirts

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and signs they say trans rights or else. And there's

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a rifle, there's a semi auto rifle and handguns. There's

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nines Like that's not even a suggestion, right, it's a threat.

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All these transactors propagandas are saying it's not enough you're

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not a true ally if you don't take direct action,

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and it will remain to be seen. If that was

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part of the motivation for what happened here with Tyler Robinson,

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Certainly FBI is probing that angle, right, So.

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Speaker 1: I said, like the people who are associating with this militant,

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radical population, they tend to be on the political left.

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The Democrat Party has taken up, you know, trans rights

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and such as as one of their causes. They see

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the shirts, they wear the shirts. Right, We've talked about

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there's a politician forget that she was out in New York,

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I believe, and had that very shirt that he was describing.

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So they're aware of what the imagery is, what the

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iconography looks like. They hear these speeches, they hear this stuff.

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They're in these groups, and I'm guessing they're afraid to

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a post also on Twitter from Andy No who points

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out there was a there's a flyer being posted around

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unc Ashville advertising an event be Gay Do Crime, Bgay

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Do Crime. That is apparently a popular mantra among some crowds,

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and Andy No says the venue for this Trantifa event

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is the Firestorm Bookstore in Ashville. That space doubles as

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a meeting place for Antifa and other violent extremists radicalizing

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one another as well as recruits, and he is correct

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about that. I can confirm that as a former eight

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year resident of Ashville. In his discussion with Winston Marshall,

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he talked about how the media constantly attempts to craft

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narratives in the immediate aftermath of murders, like for example,

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here he talks about the shooting at the Annunciation School.

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Speaker 2: So you know, complicated people killers like that, they don't

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conveniently fit into This is left wing violence, This is

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right white supremacists, far right violence, which is how these

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journalists and these academics and activists want to categorize at home.

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It's not the nature of political violence. It's involves all

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these other variables, and they'll chip a chip it out

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of the way until the cases are cut out and

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not included in the data, where you don't get an

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accurate picture at all. And the bigger point, I think

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is beyond the body count of which side, which to me,

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is really not that relevant of the matter. I think

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the matter what matters more is who's accepting of.

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Speaker 3: This as a norm. And I think we can see

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the answer.

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Speaker 1: To right, who is accepting of this as the norm

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in the wake of a shooting or a murder like this,

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Who is accepting of this as a norm. That's why

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people are reacting with the you know, cancelation campaigns against

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various people. And look, if you are in a position

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of public trust, you're a teacher, you're a doctor, you're

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an airline pilot, like, yeah, your celebration of an assassination

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is totally relevant to the society. By the way, the

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pressure that the media faces also just saw this pointed

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out online that the Guardian, both The Guardian and the

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Wall Street Journal that they had stories, they broke stories

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about the leftist influence in this shooting, and they both

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retracted their stories. They turned out to be true. Those

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stories were correct. But the pressure campaign that the left

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applies to media outlets works, and the right has no

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response to this. There is no sort of cultural muscle

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that the right can exert until I guess now we're

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seeing it happen with some of these like Clemson just

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fired a bunch of their staff over their response to

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the murder. He explains also why he does what he

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does despite the threats to his own personal safety here.

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Speaker 2: You know, I bring out all these examples of my

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reporting not to do what the left is trying to do.

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I'm not trying to direct the attention to say, look,

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the violence is only only coming from one side. This

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is all that we should care about. No, we have

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a crisis in America where easy access to deadly weapons

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is a daily reality and people are radicalized online.

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Speaker 3: You don't have.

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Speaker 2: It's like, the domestic terrorists we have are not the

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terrorists who are going to foreign countries to train with

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militant on groups. There are people fifteen year olds getting

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radicalized online. Last year, I did reporting on a girl

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shooter mass shooter, which is uncommon in the state of Wisconsin.

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She was radicalized on discord, had a deep fascination with

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school shooters and mass killers. Her family had no idea.

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Her dad was a church going man Christian. He just

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thought his little girl was playing games and doing homework

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on her laptop and listening to music and says she

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was consuming all this and she's not the only one.

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It's like, it's just this, so many like her. And

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then we have now introducing in that type of space

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the death cult propaganda that is political and celebrated.

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Speaker 1: And cheered on, and that's the problem and maybe this

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administration will try to root that out. All right, that'll

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