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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for jumping on again. Mario, I
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Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure, So thanks for having me. This is
Speaker 9: a solid crew as usual. My project is called Symbolic Studies.
Speaker 9: People can find all my stuff at symbolic studies dot com.
Speaker 9: And what I like to do is basically put out
Speaker 9: content based around the signs during the sign itself. So
Speaker 9: right now, I just did a presentation on the death
Speaker 9: of the Pope in Taurus season, which is really interesting
Speaker 9: and there's a lot to get to with that because
Speaker 9: the card that corresponds with the pope they even call
Speaker 9: it the Pope card is the higher Fan, which is
Speaker 9: ruled by Taurus, right, And so I like to kind
Speaker 9: of find what's going on in the world in that regard,
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Speaker 9: Appreciate it, dude. Yeah, that's kind of the backbone of
Speaker 9: the project, to be honest. It really started with that.
Speaker 9: Also my artwork and things like that too, But the
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're great, but yeah, so we finally got to Venus.
Speaker 4: So oh, let's hear it, Mariy, what do you got for.
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 9: So I want to do an intro and then I
Speaker 9: sent you some slides that you can share in just
Speaker 9: a moment. But you know, it's perfect timing because Taurus
Speaker 9: is ruled by Venus, and so there's two signs that
Speaker 9: are ruled by Venus, and there's two planets in the
Speaker 9: traditional system that kind of have double duty. One would
Speaker 9: be Venus. It rules Taurus and Libra an earth sign
Speaker 9: and then an air sign. And then the same thing
Speaker 9: goes for Mercury. Right, it rules Gemini, which is an
Speaker 9: air sign, and then also Virgo, which is an earth sign.
Speaker 9: So the traditional things with Venus, right, the correspondences. It
Speaker 9: is associated with copper Friday, very feminine, right, beauty, you know, love.
Speaker 2: Things like that.
Speaker 9: So Venus is a very like there's a sensuality to Venus,
Speaker 9: and the divine feminine sort of aspect really really goes
Speaker 9: extremely deep, extraordinarily deep. I did a podcast not too
Speaker 9: long ago, and I spoke with a woman. Her name
Speaker 9: is Ola Wolney. If people are interested in her work,
Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure I've brought her up here before. But
Speaker 9: she is like a Venus sort of expert, and she
Speaker 9: really ties in a lot of sort of primordial, dark
Speaker 9: feminine sort of information as it connects to Venus. She
Speaker 9: really thinks that Venus actually is where a lot of
Speaker 9: symbolism associated with the moon, where that came from. And
Speaker 9: we have a lot of overlapping sort of ideas. I
Speaker 9: think that she attributes a lot to Venus and I
Speaker 9: attribute a lot to the North Star. And so at
Speaker 9: some point we need to like publish a conversation like
Speaker 9: just about that, because there's so much going on there.
Speaker 9: It's like absolutely insane. Right, But let's just look at
Speaker 9: the glyph of Venus actually, if you don't mind just
Speaker 9: pulling up that first slide there and right, it's a
Speaker 9: circle with a cross on top. To me, when I
Speaker 9: think about this glyph, I just think about the feminine
Speaker 9: being in a higher priority sort of position with that circle.
Speaker 9: Oftentimes the heavens are associated with the circle or the sphere,
Speaker 9: and oftentimes the earth is associated with the square or
Speaker 9: the cross or the number four, and so to me,
Speaker 9: this kind of matches that sort of dynamic. It's kind
Speaker 9: of interesting. Actually, there are some groups that will use
Speaker 9: an inverted Venus glyph to indicate Mars, which is sort
Speaker 9: of the classic thing, right, mena from Mars, women are
Speaker 9: from Venus. Actually I say classic, but my understanding is
Speaker 9: that actually really kind of came around in like I think,
Speaker 9: like the sixties or seventies or something like that.
Speaker 2: We'll get into it.
Speaker 9: But esoterically, you could say that men are from Mercury,
Speaker 9: and all you have to do is just add horns
Speaker 9: on top of the Venus glyph, and then you have Mercury.
Speaker 9: So perhaps Mercury is the real partner or consort of Venus. Right,
Speaker 9: That's something I like to think about. But one of
Speaker 9: the fascinating things about this glyph, if you want to
Speaker 9: go to the next slide there, is that it was
Speaker 9: pointed out in a book that I have that Venus,
Speaker 9: the glyph of Venus, is the only glyph that actually
Speaker 9: sort of can be put into the Kabbalistic Tree of Life,
Speaker 9: and all of the sepharothes basically match sort of the
Speaker 9: outline or the line work of the Venus glyph. And
Speaker 9: so the person that wrote that book, which is where
Speaker 9: I got this from, was making the case that this is,
Speaker 9: you know, of course, extremely significant for the glyph of Venus.
Speaker 9: And what's really interesting about this, in my opinion, is
Speaker 9: that the hidden Doth dot would be right there in
Speaker 9: the middle of that circle, right that center in that circle.
Speaker 9: And so that is the sepharoath that basically connects to
Speaker 9: the Clipothic tree right or the tree of Death or
Speaker 9: the night Side of Eden. And so in my research,
Speaker 9: that hidden sepharoth, the eleventh one is associated also with
Speaker 9: the North right. And so I'll just put it out there.
Speaker 9: You guys know where I'm at with kind of polar
Speaker 9: northern symbolism or whatever I'm really inclined to think now,
Speaker 9: And I wasn't as confident saying this months or even
Speaker 9: years ago, but literally, the symbolism of all the signs
Speaker 9: of the zodiac, and I would say planetary symbolism literally
Speaker 9: comes from the same place, and it's a northern polar
Speaker 9: sort of dynamic in my opinion, right, And so this
Speaker 9: has to do with the fact that everything is expressed
Speaker 9: from a center and then returns back to that center.
Speaker 2: So there is a world axis.
Speaker 9: Northern polar correspondence with all of the planets, with all
Speaker 9: of the signs, and I would even say by extension,
Speaker 9: I'm really seeing that that might be the case with
Speaker 9: all constellations. Basically, it's no different than a ripple in
Speaker 9: a pond, right, you drop a pebble in a pond.
Speaker 9: Everything emanates from the center and kind of goes outward.
Speaker 9: I think that that is what we were dealing with
Speaker 9: in primordial times, is a lot of symbolism was concentrated
Speaker 9: in the northern sky. People had this reverence for it,
Speaker 9: and then everything kind of expanded outward, and there is
Speaker 9: this sort of symbolic migration away from the center, right.
Speaker 9: And so I think that this is sort of an
Speaker 9: interesting sort of detail here that the hidden sepharroath once
Speaker 9: again corresponds with the north, which takes you to the
Speaker 9: other side. Which is interesting too, because when we're dealing
Speaker 9: with the feminine, you know, we're talking about like vessel
Speaker 9: symbolism and the womb and everything else. And you can
Speaker 9: make the case that the circle up top kind of
Speaker 9: symbolically carries some of that symbolism. And so there's something
Speaker 9: very precious sort of within that circle, right, this sepharroath
Speaker 9: that's very transcendental and is along the lines of that
Speaker 9: middle pillar. So if you go to the next lide,
Speaker 9: you'll see that this is just a traditional tree of
Speaker 9: life sort of set up right the three pillars, the
Speaker 9: central pillar being the transcendental pillar. You can see the
Speaker 9: hidden sepharroath right there. You can imagine just what I
Speaker 9: just showed you right the venus glyph itself be right there.
Speaker 9: And so we're talking about the feminine. We're talking about
Speaker 9: a lot of symbolism that has to do with the
Speaker 9: number five actually, and so if you go to the
Speaker 9: next slide, we're dealing with the fifth card of the
Speaker 9: major ocana, which is ruled by Taurus. And so this
Speaker 9: is the hyerpin card or the Pope card. And I
Speaker 9: just did a presentation about all of this, as I mentioned,
Speaker 9: and basically the pope is right there in between the
Speaker 9: two pillars, and so he represents that sort of central axis.
Speaker 9: And what I said in the presentation too, is I'm
Speaker 9: really seeing it now that he is. I think all
Speaker 9: pilgrimage locations basically represent like a vertical axis pretty much
Speaker 9: connecting Heaven and Earth together, and he is sort of
Speaker 9: an embodiment of like a living, breathing sort of vertical
Speaker 9: axis pretty much. And so of course the pope gets
Speaker 9: replaced or the pope gets transition out as they pass
Speaker 9: and everything else, and so this living embodiment of this
Speaker 9: central axis, right, So I think that makes a lot
Speaker 9: of sense because what he really represents is he's a bridge.
Speaker 9: And so that's what Pontiffect's Maximus represents, is he's the
Speaker 9: ultimate bridge builder, and so he's the bridge between Heaven
Speaker 9: and Earth essentially, or the bridge even between you know,
Speaker 9: the people and God, if you want to put it
Speaker 9: that way. But he's always been associated with being the
Speaker 9: keeper of the keys, right, and so even like the
Speaker 9: official like emblem for the Pope is cross keys, a
Speaker 9: golden key and a silver key, and this can represent
Speaker 9: the golden gate and silver gate. There's a whole deep
Speaker 9: dive weave that we can get into later about all
Speaker 9: of that. I also think it's interesting one of the
Speaker 9: things in the presentation that I broke down was the
Speaker 9: papal cross, and how the papal cross it almost just
Speaker 9: reminds me of the lines that break up the four
Speaker 9: different levels of the trio life, right, the four different
Speaker 9: worlds of the tree, and then you have that central
Speaker 9: sort of axis breaking it as well. And so in
Speaker 9: the presentation it makes way more sense. But he is
Speaker 9: the keeper of the keys, and he is the guardian
Speaker 9: of this gate. So when you have the two pillars,
Speaker 9: there's an implied doorway or gateway there, and he's throned,
Speaker 9: and to be throwned is way more feminine, you know,
Speaker 9: in my opinion. So what I've been saying for a
Speaker 9: while now is that I have a strong inclination to
Speaker 9: think that thrown symbolism actually belongs more to the goddess
Speaker 9: or to the feminine than the masculine, because it's more passive.
Speaker 9: And so women are more passive in nature, They're more magnetic,
Speaker 9: and so opportunities come to them, Suitors come to them,
Speaker 9: you know, things come to them. They don't have to
Speaker 9: go anywhere. It's more in man's nature to have to
Speaker 9: go out and seek and sort of conquest and journey
Speaker 9: and bring home the bacon. If you will and if
Speaker 9: you want to, like a really simple sort of metaphor
Speaker 9: for this is you just look at our sex organs.
Speaker 9: You know, the phallus is projective an outward and it's
Speaker 9: the original wand, if you will, And the wand really
Speaker 9: is about energy being sent forth. And then even the
Speaker 9: sperm cells of man they travel and they go into
Speaker 9: foreign lands to inseminate the egg. On the other hand,
Speaker 9: the woman is more receptive, and so she receives right,
Speaker 9: and so the egg stays within her confines in order
Speaker 9: for her to get pregnant. And so that's kind of
Speaker 9: the basic difference traditionally between masculine projective symbolism feminine receptive symbolism.
Speaker 9: So I see it that when a king or a hirophant,
Speaker 9: or the emperor or a lord or something is sitting
Speaker 9: on a throne, he's actually emulating the feminine. And this
Speaker 9: makes sense here because he actually corresponds with venus. And
Speaker 9: I even believe now my understanding is that and this
Speaker 9: idea of sort of guarding a gateway actually belongs more
Speaker 9: to the feminine as well. And so this is why
Speaker 9: you see Lady Justice. It's a woman holding a sword
Speaker 9: and then holding the scales right, And she too is
Speaker 9: sitting in between two pillars in the tarot, right, the
Speaker 9: justice card. And so woman is really sort of she's
Speaker 9: more of a judge than anything else, more than man
Speaker 9: at least, because she has to judge and gauge what
Speaker 9: partners she wants to potentially connect with, or couple with
Speaker 9: or have children with.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 9: Men have a very different perspective on things, So men
Speaker 9: can be attracted to many different types of women and
Speaker 9: everything else.
Speaker 2: But it's really the woman who is the.
Speaker 9: Guardian of her gateway, which is the real gateway into
Speaker 9: this reality, basically, right. And so there's a lot of
Speaker 9: symbolism with that, with the true guardian of the gate
Speaker 9: is actually feminine. And if you want to go to
Speaker 9: the next slide, it's interesting that some of the earliest
Speaker 9: Hirofint cards in existence show a female pope actually, right,
Speaker 9: And so there's even a whole story. I don't know
Speaker 9: all the details, but I've read about it before, but
Speaker 9: I believe her name.
Speaker 2: Is Pope Joan, Yeah, right, Do you know what any
Speaker 2: thing about her? By chance? Any any details?
Speaker 8: Yeah, she came to the throne and there was a
Speaker 8: lot of problems with her being a female, and then
Speaker 8: there are some other stories about females that have come
Speaker 8: and been enthrone that acted as though they were men
Speaker 8: and then you know, get found out, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 8: there's it's been a while since, but yeah, I'm familiar
Speaker 8: with Pope Jones for sure.
Speaker 9: Right right, are you guys aware of the I don't
Speaker 9: know if it's still in use, but I have seen
Speaker 9: photos of it. But the chair that supposedly the pope
Speaker 9: has to sit in, or prospective pope has to sit in,
Speaker 9: so that all everyone else in the conclave, I guess
Speaker 9: can inspect his genitalia to make sure that he's actually
Speaker 9: a male. It almost looks like it's like a wooden
Speaker 9: chair that has an opening at the bottom, and you know,
Speaker 9: people can google it or whatever. But determining the sex
Speaker 9: of the pope, I don't know if that was more
Speaker 9: of a thing after Pope Jon or whatever. But it's
Speaker 9: also interesting that the movie Conclave is in part about
Speaker 9: this spoiler alert, But so that's a whole entire thing.
Speaker 9: So the fact that there were these female popes early
Speaker 9: on in Tarot history, I think is really fascinating for sure,
Speaker 9: and just speaks to it to me, this venus connection
Speaker 9: and even too. What I'll say is that Taurus, my
Speaker 9: understanding of it is that we're seeing a very sort
Speaker 9: of masculine solar version of Taurus these days. When most
Speaker 9: people illustrate Taurus or think of Taurus, they think of
Speaker 9: a mighty bull, you know, almost ready to charge, or
Speaker 9: looking very aggressive or angry or something along these lines.
Speaker 9: And my understanding is that it actually used to be
Speaker 9: more of the feminine cow early on. And what's kind
Speaker 9: of happened is a lot of animals during their respective age,
Speaker 9: they're looked at in one way during the age itself.
Speaker 9: So the age of Taurus, the bowl, minunderstanding is that
Speaker 9: it was more so revered, put on a pedestal, more
Speaker 9: positive connotations, things like that. And then once the age
Speaker 9: of Taurus came and went and we were now in
Speaker 9: the age of Aries, that same bowl is sort of
Speaker 9: sacrificial in nature. And so you have mythrist slaying the
Speaker 9: cosmic bowl as an example, right or there tends to
Speaker 9: be more like this demonic sort of thing associated with that,
Speaker 9: and so that aggression or that masculine sort of energy
Speaker 9: tends to come out a bit more. And so anyway,
Speaker 9: for what it's worth, I thought I would mention that well.
Speaker 8: Also, I was going to say, as far as different
Speaker 8: females that have been in throne, if you go back
Speaker 8: into Babylon, some of the queens of Babylon were far
Speaker 8: stronger than the kings, and they were more known for
Speaker 8: building the edifices, the big pyramids. And then you get
Speaker 8: into Kibbili, you know, and she was a queen that
Speaker 8: was enthroned that basically rode on a cart pulled by lions,
Speaker 8: and so.
Speaker 3: Some of the oldest When you.
Speaker 8: Get back into the more Mediterranean, more Asian like cultures,
Speaker 8: you have a lot more divine, feminine propagators that are
Speaker 8: over the male propagators.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, and it just makes all the
Speaker 9: sense in the world. So yeah, I mean, even to
Speaker 9: your point too, a lot of these early queens, and
Speaker 9: actually a lot of queen symbolism and goddess symbolism a
Speaker 9: lot of times is closely related to the lion, and
Speaker 9: that the lion is either pulling their chariot or is
Speaker 9: embedded into the throne itself or flanks the throne or
Speaker 9: something like that. And I just think it's really interesting
Speaker 9: that Leo is right next to Virgo, and so Virgo
Speaker 9: the queen of heaven, right, the stellar virgin, And so
Speaker 9: there's this interesting relationship that I've noticed with that. It's
Speaker 9: almost kind of like the feminine authority over the masculine.
Speaker 9: You know, the lion being a solar line related to
Speaker 9: the sun and things like that, and that's what you
Speaker 9: actually see in the Strength guard. You see a woman
Speaker 9: taming a lion, right, It's almost like mother and child.
Speaker 9: So that's kind of what I see with the Strength
Speaker 9: card is you're actually seeing a representation of two signs there,
Speaker 9: Virgo and then Leo. But yeah, if you want to
Speaker 9: cruise to the next slide, it's just the Mercury glyph.
Speaker 9: But just wanted to show you that all you have
Speaker 9: to do is add horns to the Venus glyph and
Speaker 9: then you have Mercury.
Speaker 2: Very interesting.
Speaker 9: And then also if you just remove the cross down below,
Speaker 9: now you actually have the glyph for Taurus itself, right,
Speaker 9: which is ruled by Venus.
Speaker 2: So even the glyph itself.
Speaker 9: Right, I mean the simple horns you know, on one hand, yeah,
Speaker 9: you could say, and it is. It's both masculine and feminine.
Speaker 9: It's both yang and yin you know horn you think
Speaker 9: of horny, right, again the phallus or an erection or
Speaker 9: something along these lines. And then you also have it
Speaker 9: though it's a vessel, right, it's also a crescent moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 9: And there's so much lunar symbolism with Taurus as well.
Speaker 9: That's interesting. The cow that jumped over the moon I
Speaker 9: think of as an example, or I think of the
Speaker 9: fact that people have had this sort of thing saying
Speaker 9: that the moon is made out of cheese. Where do
Speaker 9: you get cheese from milk? And so even too with
Speaker 9: the cow symbolism. The cow has been referred to as
Speaker 9: like the second mother of mankind in certain parts of
Speaker 9: the world, like in India, and it's because you get
Speaker 9: so much from the cow and it asks so little.
Speaker 9: So it's really a giver, right, This animal gives and
Speaker 9: gives and gives, and even just exactly even just milk itself.
Speaker 9: From milk you get cheese and yogurt and ghee and all.
Speaker 2: These other things.
Speaker 9: But then also you know, the hide itself, if that's
Speaker 9: how that country rolls or that those people, if that's
Speaker 9: what they choose to do, and then obviously meat and
Speaker 9: protein from there, and you know, then it helps on
Speaker 9: the farm. And then there's uses for the dung and
Speaker 9: everything else, and so on a physical level, it gives
Speaker 9: and gives and gives. But this also kind of parallels
Speaker 9: a spiritual dynamic as well, and that it actually there's
Speaker 9: like a grace and there's a presence to the cow
Speaker 9: and the bowl and everything else. So there's things to
Speaker 9: learn even outside of just taking you know, from it.
Speaker 9: But there's a huge, huge weave too with the V.
Speaker 9: If you want to go to the next slide. Here
Speaker 9: we're talking about venus, So we're talking about the V.
Speaker 9: The V is a very powerful letter in so many ways.
Speaker 9: One of the first things I think about is the
Speaker 9: fact that the receptive elements their glyph is a downward triangle.
Speaker 9: So water is just a downward triangle. Earth is a
Speaker 9: downward triangle with a line through it. Air is an
Speaker 9: upward triangle with a line, and then fire is an
Speaker 9: upward triangle. So the receptive feminine downward triangle. Right, So
Speaker 9: it even looks like a little vessel.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: I even think of the yoni, or I think of
Speaker 9: the vagina, starts with the V.
Speaker 2: Right. Also, when you look at go ahead.
Speaker 8: I was going to say, as well as aspects of
Speaker 8: water it's as far as.
Speaker 9: The wines exactly. Yeah, you totally got it. And so
Speaker 9: even Vagina you have that V right there. But uh,
Speaker 9: the Taurus constellation. When you look at Taurus again ruled
Speaker 9: by Venus, you see this gigantic V. That is the
Speaker 9: most prominent feature of the Taurus constellation. If anyone here
Speaker 9: is a star gazer, and so you see a gigantic V.
Speaker 9: And then you see a really large star and that's
Speaker 9: one of its eyes, which is Aldebaran or al Debaron.
Speaker 9: I also think it's interesting too that that specific star
Speaker 9: has a lot of symbolism associated with like the Vrill
Speaker 9: society and like the lore associated with the vril. And
Speaker 9: here we're dealing with the V again, even with Vril,
Speaker 9: which to me, when I think of Ril, I think
Speaker 9: of another aspect of ether or spirit, which would be
Speaker 9: the fifth element, which is also Roman numeral five, which
Speaker 9: is a V as well. And we're dealing with the
Speaker 9: fifth card of the major o'conna, so Roman numeral five
Speaker 9: right there. So the V weave is super super strong,
Speaker 9: very feminine in a lot of ways. And if we
Speaker 9: go to the next slide, we'll see that if you
Speaker 9: double it up, now you have a W right from
Speaker 9: V to W and w we have words like water, womb, woman, right, which,
Speaker 9: and so there's a lot of feminine words.
Speaker 2: That associate with the W. And then if you just.
Speaker 9: Flip that and this is getting really close, uh Robbie
Speaker 9: with the water right, the zigzag of.
Speaker 2: The water the exactly exactly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So you flip it like in the next slide,
Speaker 9: and then now you have an M.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So ma.
Speaker 9: It's like universal amongst babies, you know, it's almost like instinctual,
Speaker 9: I think. And so mom has two ms mother, matter, matrix.
Speaker 9: These are like feminine words basically mem water, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: totally right there.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure it's ma in Arabic means water.
Speaker 9: Okay, there you go. It makes perfect sense, man, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: There is so many of those.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Oh, I was just gonna back that all
Speaker 3: up in so many dozens of different languages. MA is
Speaker 3: the feminine mother expression term. And and in looking into it,
Speaker 3: it might be something else, but that it also might
Speaker 3: be that is the first annunciation that we make that
Speaker 3: we're capable of and so all, and so it might
Speaker 3: be that not that that's not amazing in and of itself,
Speaker 3: but but you're you're right, it's very much reflective in
Speaker 3: the may Trix, the Ma tricks, from which, as you do,
Speaker 3: not the creation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: Well, one of the things that's been pointed out to
Speaker 9: me is that when you say something that starts with
Speaker 9: an m hmm, it's internal as well. Right, so there's
Speaker 9: like a receptive feminine sort of quality with MM as well,
Speaker 9: versus like dah for dad. Do you know, does anyone
Speaker 9: here know if DA or Dad die is as? It
Speaker 9: doesn't feel to me as universal as MA is.
Speaker 3: It is related, I believe, but it's more Pa Pa. Okay,
Speaker 3: there you go, right, as it's shifted into English, it's
Speaker 3: a DA, but very similar of course, Papa Pa.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 9: That makes sense. Well there we I mean that's completely
Speaker 9: related to even to the Pope and some etymological words
Speaker 9: that kind of relate to Pope and and father and you.
Speaker 3: Know, the very similar energetically to your idea of the
Speaker 3: externalizing and the internalizing of those tonations too.
Speaker 8: Well, oh no, not at all. But also when you
Speaker 8: look at mother Kibbli, who's directly related to Aphrodity, who
Speaker 8: is essentially Venus. Her consort was Addis and in the mountains,
Speaker 8: they would call him pa or Papa or papa. So
Speaker 8: and that goes back ten twelve thousand, you know BC.
Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah, totally.
Speaker 9: So we got here from the V right Venus. And
Speaker 9: so let's look at the next slide. And to me,
Speaker 9: this information is so mind blowing. It's still very novel
Speaker 9: to me, even though I've seen it so many times now.
Speaker 9: But Venus, over the course of eight years makes a
Speaker 9: five pointed star from the perspective of Earth, and this
Speaker 9: is what it looks like right here. And so there's
Speaker 9: no other planet that has this sort of cycle or
Speaker 9: makes this. This is referred to as the Venus rose
Speaker 9: or the Venus pentagram, right, or the pentacle of Venus,
Speaker 9: something along those lines. And so again this weave of
Speaker 9: five Roman numeral five v higher fit five is completely
Speaker 9: like multi layered and encoded. So I had to bring
Speaker 9: it up. So you go to the next slide, the
Speaker 9: next couple, you'll just see variations on the same thing,
Speaker 9: basically showing you different ways in which you can kind
Speaker 9: of illustrate this. So it's sometimes referred to as the
Speaker 9: kiss of Venus as well. And so the number five
Speaker 9: and the pentacle really really amazing stuff. I mean, the
Speaker 9: mathematics and sacred geometry behind it is pretty mind blowing
Speaker 9: as well. And if you go to the next slide,
Speaker 9: you can maybe breeze past this one and then just
Speaker 9: go to there you go the Ace of Pentacles, right.
Speaker 9: So in the tarot, it's basically a tradition to have
Speaker 9: the coin to be represented with this star right on
Speaker 9: the coin itself. And so this really says quite a bit.
Speaker 9: In the thought deck, these are called discs, which I
Speaker 9: think is interesting too because there's almost now when I
Speaker 9: see it or think about it, this disc it kind
Speaker 9: of just reminds me of like Earth in some ways personally,
Speaker 9: you know, maybe from like an ancient cosmological sort of
Speaker 9: perspective or something that. But we put this glyph where
Speaker 9: we put this icon on this coin, and in my opinion,
Speaker 9: a lot of times when you are looking at a pentacle,
Speaker 9: you are looking essentially at a reference, almost a direct
Speaker 9: reference to Venus, right, And so because of this sort
Speaker 9: of dynamic, and so it's also encoding the five elements.
Speaker 9: As I mentioned earlier, we obviously as humans have five
Speaker 9: main appendages. Five fingers. Oh, pretty interesting as well as
Speaker 9: it relates to the number five and Venusian sorts of things.
Speaker 9: The average menstrual cycle is like five days basically, and
Speaker 9: so even like when we refer to like a period
Speaker 9: of time, the period like has a reference to this,
Speaker 9: and also has this kind of subtle reference to like
Speaker 9: the number five as well. So I think that's kind
Speaker 9: of like an amazing sort of set of like coincidences
Speaker 9: or what have you, synchronicities. But the five point it's
Speaker 9: stall are, it's the star. It's the quintessential star, right,
Speaker 9: and so the quintessence too is related to this as well.
Speaker 9: But it's the quintessential star. It's the star that we
Speaker 9: all draw as children. And if you look at any
Speaker 9: work of art for the most part, you know, not
Speaker 9: all the time, but a lot of times, just the
Speaker 9: average star in the piece. If there's going to be
Speaker 9: like a blanket of stars, you know, it's not uncommon
Speaker 9: for it to just be a five pointed star. So
Speaker 9: decoding sort of the sacred geometry behind it, I think
Speaker 9: makes sense. So if you want to go to the
Speaker 9: next slide, we'll just see a pretty standard pentacle there,
Speaker 9: and it's the proportions of where these lines intersect that's
Speaker 9: really significant.
Speaker 2: So if you go to the next slide, the pent
Speaker 2: alpha mm hmm.
Speaker 9: So this ratio right here is really really important and
Speaker 9: relates to the golden ratio. And so if you go
Speaker 9: to the next slide, there's these calipers that you can
Speaker 9: buy that will retain and keep the golden ratio. And
Speaker 9: so it's one point six one eight to one. And
Speaker 9: so my understanding is even like our bones, you know,
Speaker 9: they're able to unfurl and kind of curl up into
Speaker 9: themselves because of this dynamic right here. And so if
Speaker 9: you have calipers like that, it kind of encourages you
Speaker 9: to start measuring all these things and start seeing where
Speaker 9: this sort of like ratio actually exists. And so because
Speaker 9: of this ratio, if you want to go to the
Speaker 9: next slide, you'll see that it's related to the golden
Speaker 9: spiral basically. And so from like the left square to
Speaker 9: the right square the upper right square, that ratio is
Speaker 9: retained right and so because of that, you can literally
Speaker 9: have this perpetual spiral that just goes.
Speaker 2: On and on and on and on and on, and
Speaker 2: that ratio completely stays intact.
Speaker 9: So this golden spiral ratio is act actually embedded into
Speaker 9: the normal five pointed star that we're all sort of
Speaker 9: familiar with, and because of that, the five pointed star
Speaker 9: pentacle has all of these interesting properties too, Like if
Speaker 9: you go to the next slide, you'll see that you
Speaker 9: can basically line up these stars right and there's this
Speaker 9: just perfect tapering sort of dynamic that again goes on
Speaker 9: and on and on and on and so my opinion,
Speaker 9: basically when you really start decoding everything, is that the
Speaker 9: five pointed star, and by extension, like the number five itself,
Speaker 9: it is also a bridge. Symbolically, it's a symbolic bridge,
Speaker 9: which is why it matches so perfectly with the Hierfink
Speaker 9: card the Pope card, because it's a bridge between the
Speaker 9: material realm and the spiritual realm, in my opinion, and
Speaker 9: that's basically sort of what it encodes, and that's why
Speaker 9: the fifth element is also related to spirit. I see
Speaker 9: it that this is all pretty much like it all
Speaker 9: culminates together and speaks to the symbolism of Venus and
Speaker 9: the Hyrophin card and the pentacle and everything else. It
Speaker 9: exists between sort of these two spaces the same way
Speaker 9: I would even say, perhaps that it exists between our
Speaker 9: base ten sequence right in the middle right, So it's
Speaker 9: almost like a symbolic bridge from the earlier numbers to
Speaker 9: the later numbers. With that, so a lot of the
Speaker 9: five cards in the tarot kind of represent like a
Speaker 9: struggle or some sort of setback in some way. But
Speaker 9: I see it more so as like actually a threshold
Speaker 9: something you have to cross through right in order to
Speaker 9: get sort of sort of to the next place or
Speaker 9: the next plane or whatever you want to say. And
Speaker 9: these sort of setbacks and struggles which a lot of
Speaker 9: the five cards associate with, that's what makes us who
Speaker 9: we are. It actually makes us completely stronger. And every
Speaker 9: single berth or rebirth is like messy. It's not a clean, simple,
Speaker 9: straightforward thing, in my opinion. And so there's this sort
Speaker 9: of threshold gateway dynamic that's inherently related to the shape.
Speaker 2: And if you want to go to.
Speaker 3: I just I just thought that the one eight number,
Speaker 3: of course, represents symbolically exactly what you just said, the
Speaker 3: creative and the linking of the individual with the spiritual,
Speaker 3: the one individual, there's nothingness and then there's the infinites
Speaker 3: And also it's interesting to point out that there's another
Speaker 3: number that kind of suggests something at least symbolically value
Speaker 3: in there. If you add the thirty six to the
Speaker 3: oneh eight you get one four, which is really powerful number.
Speaker 3: So excuse me for interrupting, but I thought that you
Speaker 3: were going yeah.
Speaker 8: Also, I was going to say, when you go back,
Speaker 8: they used to call it the druten foot, the druid foot,
Speaker 8: the witch's foot, and then it was all It was
Speaker 8: the earliest, uh like seal for the city of Jerusalem,
Speaker 8: as far as they go back in the records. And
Speaker 8: it was also the magical schedule that Solomon had on
Speaker 8: his ring that he used to some of the various
Speaker 8: gin and miscellaneous forces.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha, yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 6: Have you guys ever heard the I've seen him on
Speaker 6: like on reels of stuff where it's like, I don't
Speaker 6: know how true it is.
Speaker 7: I don't have a measuring tape this big, but it
Speaker 7: says that, uh that you can fit one hundred and
Speaker 7: eight moons in the into in the size of Earth,
Speaker 7: and you can fit one hundred and eight earths into
Speaker 7: the size of the sun and all these things.
Speaker 6: So one and one o eight.
Speaker 7: Is the degrees of a pentagram, and it is a
Speaker 7: number used a lot even in baseball, not to throw cavetballs.
Speaker 7: But in baseball, home plate is a pentagram, yep. And
Speaker 7: every baseball, every baseball is made with a hundred and
Speaker 7: eight stitches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that one hundred and eight. The moon's
Speaker 3: in between the Earth and the moon, and no, no,
Speaker 3: it's so it's you know that. And the one hundred
Speaker 3: and eight suns in between the Earth and the Sun
Speaker 3: is an approximation, but it because of the nature of
Speaker 3: the orbit, of course, and it's not so it's not exact,
Speaker 3: and it is never exact, but it is very close,
Speaker 3: and it does hint that it's kind of has this
Speaker 3: scientific creative force to it because you could almost find
Speaker 3: I forget what they call it, but the the area
Speaker 3: around a sun where there is potential life. You could
Speaker 3: almost deduce it via this one hundred and eight mathematics
Speaker 3: via any sun I forget what.
Speaker 2: It's called, that this ring Goldilock zone.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, so you could almost you could almost use
Speaker 3: one one way to find the Goldilocks son with stars.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Maria good I just wanted to say that in Buddhism,
Speaker 1: we use the one hundred and eight beads on our malas,
Speaker 1: and it also represents the one hundred and eight affliction.
Speaker 1: So there's one hundred and eight worldly desires. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say that you have to overcome before you
Speaker 1: can go higher. I guess, thank gotcha, Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: One is also reminded me too.
Speaker 5: Oh go ahead, Nick, I did want to just ad
Speaker 5: real quick.
Speaker 4: It was something that you had mentioned with like the
Speaker 4: pentagram and Venus and all that, something that I think
Speaker 4: just interested me because I was thinking about the kabbala.
Speaker 4: The rose kabbalistically is an image for netsuck, which would
Speaker 4: be Venus, and then there you go, and then the
Speaker 4: fifth sphere, which would be good borrow of symbol for
Speaker 4: that can be a five pedal rose, which then is
Speaker 4: also universally used as a pentagram as well.
Speaker 5: I've seen mm hmmm. So I mean you do kind
Speaker 5: of see a tie. I think, I mean.
Speaker 8: Well, the mind, Yeah, the mind calendar. You have five ages.
Speaker 8: You look at the rosicrucion rose, there's five pedals. The
Speaker 8: Lutheran rose has five pedals. You see this consistent pinta
Speaker 8: appearing through all these different philosophies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it is also interesting to go off. What
Speaker 1: Nick said is that that path twenty two on the
Speaker 1: tree between Goevera and Tiffert that can also be represented
Speaker 1: in a row. So it's like some people describe it
Speaker 1: as like the axial joint is from like tiffer It
Speaker 1: to Netsac, so there's like a path there as well,
Speaker 1: but that's really where the light from Goeverra sort of
Speaker 1: passes through. Now there's other models that will say straight
Speaker 1: from Geverra to Netsc there's a relationship, and there might be,
Speaker 1: just there's different obviously different kinds of cosmologies.
Speaker 6: And then G is the twenty second letter.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, Yeah, that is another thing I do want
Speaker 4: to mention too that you just said, Jenn with the
Speaker 4: with net Suck and Goodbor, I mean a connection. I
Speaker 4: would assume that there is, and I do think there is,
Speaker 4: but take too long probably.
Speaker 5: To get into that.
Speaker 4: But just a simple way, just if you were to
Speaker 4: look at how you make talismans up, I think, even
Speaker 4: going back to Agrippa him be suggesting it that if
Speaker 4: you're making a venus talisman, your flesh and color, the
Speaker 4: mean color you're gonna use is green and your flashing
Speaker 4: color is going to be red, which goes back to
Speaker 4: Gobora and Mars again and Mars, if you make a talisman,
Speaker 4: it's going to be red and the flesh and color
Speaker 4: will be green because there is a relationship somewhere in
Speaker 4: there between those two spheres.
Speaker 1: Right, and remember that for when mind slugs come up,
Speaker 1: because I didn't take it from you.
Speaker 2: Uh wow, good stuff.
Speaker 9: So I was just reading prepping for the show that
Speaker 9: the mind calendar, as you mentioned Robbie, has this pentaquality
Speaker 9: to it, and my understanding is that it directly comes
Speaker 9: from Venus. Yeah, that's kind of how they gauged everything, apparently,
Speaker 9: that specific aspect of it.
Speaker 8: And then you start to get into the ideas of
Speaker 8: the morning and the evening star and the sexuality versus
Speaker 8: the war. This is probably one of the deeper subject
Speaker 8: matters in regard to planet when you start looking at
Speaker 8: the symbolism of the cosmology itself.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I completely agree with you for sure. Other
Speaker 9: thing I was going to mention too, is even with
Speaker 9: the five pedaled rows, right, like the tudor rose is
Speaker 9: another example or what it's kind of sometimes called, but
Speaker 9: that's right in the middle of the rosy cross, right.
Speaker 9: Sometimes it could be a different like sort of rose
Speaker 9: or whatever, but oftentimes it's just a five pedaled rose
Speaker 9: right in the middle. And to me that's interesting as well,
Speaker 9: because when you're dealing with the cross, you're dealing with
Speaker 9: four the four quadrants or for the four lines emanating
Speaker 9: from the center, and so that center point where the
Speaker 9: vertical axis and horizontal axis meet, that would be the
Speaker 9: fifth point right there.
Speaker 8: And you have the rose itself, which is the upper
Speaker 8: sphere of the heavens, and then you have the like
Speaker 8: the rosy cross, it's on the cross, which is that
Speaker 8: lower cross. So it's giving you again the glyph of Venus.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, totally, no, exactly awesome. And then related to green,
Speaker 9: I just have to bring this up too. So if
Speaker 9: Taurus is fixed Earth, it's right in the middle of spring, right,
Speaker 9: And I personally, I don't know if I've ever mentioned
Speaker 9: it to you guys. I see like a pretty layered
Speaker 9: weave between the number four, the Emperor card which corresponds
Speaker 9: with aries, and the cross being related to the four,
Speaker 9: and then also Christianity, and then I see with the
Speaker 9: higher fint being related to the five, and then the
Speaker 9: pentacle and then Venus as well, and I see that
Speaker 9: as some in all a lot of ways actually being
Speaker 9: related to Islam, which I think is kind of random seemingly,
Speaker 9: but they pray five times a day, there's five of the.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Islam is one hundred percent dedicated to Venus when
Speaker 8: you when you get into it, it's right, and then
Speaker 8: the Christians of the Sun, and then the Judaic philosophy
Speaker 8: is to Saturn. You know, these are distinctions within each
Speaker 8: of the philosophical you know, directions.
Speaker 9: Because even the glyph and I know Islam traditionally like
Speaker 9: doesn't have symbols and they're anti sort of like graphic
Speaker 9: or anti symbolic in some ways visual visual iconography. But
Speaker 9: if we're going to pick a symbol, right, exactly, if
Speaker 9: we're going to pick a symbol that represents Islam, it
Speaker 9: would be the five pointed star inside the crescent moon. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: for sure, for sure, yeah exactly. So it is and
Speaker 9: it's green, which is why I was bringing it up. Yeah,
Speaker 9: because you brought it up. But what I see actually, oh,
Speaker 9: go ahead.
Speaker 7: I'll just say it's representing like when Venus and the
Speaker 7: moon are in the same sign, and so because that's
Speaker 7: how that can happen when it's in the same sign
Speaker 7: and it's in the right, crescent happens. I don't, I
Speaker 7: don't keep track of it, but it does happen almost
Speaker 7: every year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it gets into this you know, esoteric link
Speaker 8: between Venus and the moon that you constantly see coming
Speaker 8: up as you go down this the pass of these
Speaker 8: these subjects.
Speaker 3: And I believe that the Venus is seen as a crescent, right,
Speaker 3: So it might they might call it a crescent moon,
Speaker 3: but yes, it might be just Venus.
Speaker 8: And I guess all year round when you view Venus, uh,
Speaker 8: it's always a crescent moon, just because of the nature
Speaker 8: of how it sits in the heavens.
Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: So what I was going to say is regarding the
Speaker 9: sort of third pillar here with Judaism, I'm going in
Speaker 9: order in the tarot. So the fourth card Emperor ares
Speaker 9: cross Christianity, fifth card Islam with everything we just discussed,
Speaker 9: and then the sixth card is the lovers, and so
Speaker 9: you're dealing with Gemini the twin pillars, just like in
Speaker 9: front of Solomon's temple, just like in front of a
Speaker 9: lot of synagogues, you know, and then that's ruled by mercury, right,
Speaker 9: And so I see a mercurial sort of thing. There,
Speaker 9: and because we're dealing with the sixth card, we're also
Speaker 9: dealing with the six pointed star now, which is the
Speaker 9: star of David. And so it makes me wonder if
Speaker 9: there's this mega weave between the fourth, fifth, and sixth
Speaker 9: card of the major econa and then Christianity, Islam, and
Speaker 9: then Judaism.
Speaker 7: So, for what it's worth, I have something to add
Speaker 7: to that on numbers with the five and the six,
Speaker 7: which I do think that the sixth adds to the
Speaker 7: venus as well.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 7: For one, you could say May sixth would be the
Speaker 7: very middle of tourist season, so like if you were
Speaker 7: to kind of just a fifteen degrees taurus, that's usually
Speaker 7: around May sixth. And then the fifty sixth prime number
Speaker 7: is two two hundred and sixty three. Venus stays in
Speaker 7: the sky, is visible in the sky two hundred and sixty.
Speaker 6: Three days out of the year.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, yeah, so they and that has to the
Speaker 7: number fifty six in the five to six. I learned
Speaker 7: that because contemporary problems equals to sixty three. And then
Speaker 7: I went down a rabbit hole learned all that. So
Speaker 7: I'm connected to this as well, I guess.
Speaker 2: Nice, Yeah, damn that's a good one, man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, cool, all right.
Speaker 1: If I oh, sorry, no, please, I just want to
Speaker 1: complicate the sort of cabalistic association with the religions. So
Speaker 1: for me, Islam has a very Gavautic quality because if
Speaker 1: you read Sufi mysticism, it's all about the fire of annihilation.
Speaker 1: That's why they even pray with their hands facing their face,
Speaker 1: is because it's like they don't want to selve. It's
Speaker 1: like self, it's like to burn away in the fire
Speaker 1: of God. That's the whole idea. But I agree with
Speaker 1: Robbie that there is definitely a relationship with Venus or nutsc.
Speaker 1: I have also noticed this and obviously the kabba and
Speaker 1: there's clearly some feminine essence there and the way that works.
Speaker 1: And they also go counterclockwise around the kaba. Well right,
Speaker 1: obviously sugar, I call it shukra, but Venus obviously rotates counterclockwise.
Speaker 10: So so right right, yeah, you know the other thing
Speaker 10: I'll just say, and I don't know, I mean, it
Speaker 10: seems like it's pretty obscure, but.
Speaker 2: I have seen some works of art from the Middle.
Speaker 9: East and they're like Islamic origin story sort of like
Speaker 9: paintings and it's a cow holding earth basically, which I
Speaker 9: thought was really interesting as well. And then also too,
Speaker 9: there's like a clear sort of like nomadic influence on
Speaker 9: Islam as well, and nomads have a different relationship with
Speaker 9: cattle as well.
Speaker 2: Which I think is kind of interesting.
Speaker 9: And so just all of these things combined, but it's
Speaker 9: clearly a feminine sort of thing. Even the Kaba cube
Speaker 9: is like the house of the Mother and they put
Speaker 9: a veil on it. That's the kiss walk, and so
Speaker 9: the the and then just the hijab and or the
Speaker 9: burka and everything else too. It's just like it's very
Speaker 9: clear that there's this feminine correspondence there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, in the corner you have a physical silver representation
Speaker 8: of a vagina that has the meteorites that are encased
Speaker 8: in it that are representative of the mother goddess.
Speaker 1: Well, it is interesting to consider the kabba, as I've said,
Speaker 1: as a cube of rock, because in Islamic text they
Speaker 1: definitely prefer the gin so dj I and not Mine,
Speaker 1: the gin of the Sun, who is depicted as very
Speaker 1: similar to the mythic god An, who is also in
Speaker 1: the piranhas as Naram Simha, an avatar of Vishna who
Speaker 1: is tifferatic. So Robberie was saying, like, get Christianity prefers
Speaker 1: tifferate Well, I agree with that, but tiffer it's only
Speaker 1: the six. It's only the superficial quality, the superficial sort
Speaker 1: of illumination. Right, it's just the golden vessel. Right, there's
Speaker 1: an idea in Pico that really Christianity very strongly prefers hesse.
Speaker 1: Like Mario was saying, excuse me, and it's so Jupiter
Speaker 1: because it's that four. It's that like the sprinkling of
Speaker 1: the waters of Jupiter. It's the pacification of governor pacification
Speaker 1: of Mars. So, but four is really especially in Christian
Speaker 1: cabala but also in a kind of Jewish cabala as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, is is ever expansive? You can just ever
Speaker 1: draw from it. It's just it's unlimited, infinite in quality.
Speaker 8: I think there was actually some contrast at a point
Speaker 8: in time where it did transfer from Jupiter to the Sun.
Speaker 8: You know, as far as the Christian philosophy.
Speaker 1: Sure, because the four is really the because the suffer
Speaker 1: of the Messianic religion. So it's like the Savior, like
Speaker 1: the merciful Savior arises from the mass consciousness at the
Speaker 1: ocean of Goeverra the ocean. You could also say of suffering.
Speaker 1: That would be a very Buddhist way to describe it.
Speaker 1: So like a savior arises and like has to obviously
Speaker 1: it's different, like he has to climb through the tree.
Speaker 1: But for them, and I think for a lot of
Speaker 1: Christians that's sort of where they would say, Jesus arises.
Speaker 9: Robbie just spitballing over here. But you know, what part
Speaker 9: does heliocentrism have to play in that of the solar worship?
Speaker 9: You know, and kind of this new correspondence, right.
Speaker 8: It's it's interesting because Jupiter is God the Father when
Speaker 8: you translate it, and like you slowly see this evolution,
Speaker 8: and I think it has to do with the Titans
Speaker 8: being put down and the transition from the Greek into
Speaker 8: the Roman religion, and you start to get this highly
Speaker 8: heliocentric model that they're like melding Helios with Mythrus with.
Speaker 3: Who's the other one.
Speaker 8: But if you go to Phrygia, there's these three thrones
Speaker 8: that are side by side with kings on them, and
Speaker 8: they're linking all these kings as so you're seeing an
Speaker 8: amalgamation of the different philosophies coming together and kind of
Speaker 8: bringing forth this new solar kind of cult, Son Victus,
Speaker 8: you know totally.
Speaker 3: I wonder how much the this reformation, if you will,
Speaker 3: that we're talking about has to do with the maintenance
Speaker 3: or influence of monotheism or enforcement over everything else and
Speaker 3: what could be the superior the Sun And that's who
Speaker 3: we're from and you have to worship us now, yeah, And.
Speaker 8: It's trying to move within the Roman philosophy from that
Speaker 8: mystical pantheism that everything you know, and condensing it down
Speaker 8: into very much like in Petra, Mohammad's grandfather they said
Speaker 8: he worshiped three hundred and sixty five idols and then
Speaker 8: at you know, the point when they got conduced all
Speaker 8: into Allah, and basically that's when you have the birth
Speaker 8: of Islam.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: It's that you see these reconditioned forms happening over and
Speaker 8: over and over as gods and goddesses over ride and
Speaker 8: move and you know, it's very fractal line.
Speaker 3: Which reminds me of the whole celebration of the cow,
Speaker 3: as you mark remarked, Mario, and now more into the
Speaker 3: putting this aggressive character on it, and we always do
Speaker 3: that with the god's prior. They're always demonized, they're the
Speaker 3: new demons.
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly, no, no, we'll put for sure nice yeah,
Speaker 9: if you wanna, if you want to go on over
Speaker 9: to the next line. Kind of already covered that the
Speaker 9: fifth element ether spirit. I just think it's interesting too.
Speaker 9: So the pentagon very much related.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: You can see clearly that you can put an inverted
Speaker 9: pentagram or pentacle in there, and so this is the
Speaker 9: platonic solid that associates with ether, right, the dodecahedron and
Speaker 9: so made up of pentagons.
Speaker 4: The pentagon is a symbol for a gabora again, which
Speaker 4: is a Mars of the red sphere. So again that's
Speaker 4: more Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like the pentagon in DC. You know, five
Speaker 8: pentagons within a pentagon, you know, it's it's Mars all
Speaker 8: the way right there.
Speaker 2: Right for sure.
Speaker 9: So okay, this is the My understanding is that this
Speaker 9: was this symbol to the entrance to the underworld slash
Speaker 9: afterlife in ancient Egypt, the duot, and that this was
Speaker 9: that threshold that you crossed through of all the stars,
Speaker 9: of all the glyphs, of all sort of the imagery
Speaker 9: or iconography, it's a five pointed star, right. I mean
Speaker 9: that to me is like just amazing that that's exactly
Speaker 9: what it is, given this bridge sort of dynamic that
Speaker 9: I've been referring to. And then I know in freemasonry too,
Speaker 9: the five pointed star is often referred to as like
Speaker 9: the blazing star, and then there's a whole Luciferian connection
Speaker 9: with that, it being a venus, being a symbol of
Speaker 9: Lucifer and kind of this light bringer. There's a whole
Speaker 9: light bringer aspect here. But my personal opinion is I
Speaker 9: think as well though I know for sure. I mean,
Speaker 9: at least I've read it in some lodge material that
Speaker 9: the five point at star has indicated as well the
Speaker 9: pole star, and so obviously with symbolism there's lots of correspondence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's you know, I think it into
Speaker 4: it too much, But like this whole like think with
Speaker 4: the star and stuff in the Polestar. From my experience,
Speaker 4: I do think in the blazing Star, like even with
Speaker 4: the audio and stuff those Curlies talked about. Every time
Speaker 4: I have that experience, it looks like a burning star
Speaker 4: in the sky at first before it turns into an eclipse.
Speaker 5: It's always a burning.
Speaker 4: Star in the distance that looks like it's just this
Speaker 4: white dot that's like burning, and then eventually, as it
Speaker 4: gets bigger, it turns into an eclipse. And then the
Speaker 4: whole weird thing is that when it starts to separate,
Speaker 4: it looks like that crescent symbol that's on top of
Speaker 4: Tot's head.
Speaker 5: Constantly it's like the cheshire.
Speaker 4: Cat like smiling at you right there, this big fucking grin,
Speaker 4: glowing grin in front of your face, until it finally separates,
Speaker 4: which then almost starts to look like that other thing
Speaker 4: that you see on top of the other circle like
Speaker 4: I do, like even see like the symbolism and going
Speaker 4: again with like they what made me startle this was,
Speaker 4: you know venus. Then you know lucifer is is associated no,
Speaker 4: what is it getting confused with with with net sock?
Speaker 4: What is a lucifer I think is associated with that,
Speaker 4: with that h with that sphere. The sigil of lucifer
Speaker 4: is very close to the way that light bounces off
Speaker 4: of your lens in your eye too. You know you're
Speaker 4: talking about the bringer of light or this and that
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, uh, you know again talking about
Speaker 4: the divisions that I'm seeing. I do think something like
Speaker 4: that as all tight end together.
Speaker 8: And the way light refracts itself, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I mean, I do this, I think like that
Speaker 4: to sound corny in a way, but I think sometimes
Speaker 4: I wonder there's the whole idea of lucifer more of
Speaker 4: like divisions that I fall in love with my eyes
Speaker 4: that really I shouldn't be falling in love right and doing.
Speaker 8: A five pointed star. I mean, that is the symbol
Speaker 8: of the upright, man, Yeah, thats the symbol, the symbol
Speaker 8: of yourself echoing into the symbol of yourself like perpetually,
Speaker 8: you know, through all your organs and all your receiving
Speaker 8: devices to determine what reality is itself, you know.
Speaker 2: And there you go.
Speaker 9: Man, that's awesome, I mean. And then the next slide
Speaker 9: actually really speaks to what saying. But before we get
Speaker 9: there real quick, I was just gonna mention that the
Speaker 9: sigil of lucifers well has a V down below. There's
Speaker 9: a V for venus down below, right, and then also
Speaker 9: the overall shape of it is like a big V
Speaker 9: downward triangle sort of thing. Right, So there's all of that, yeh, right,
Speaker 9: So there you go. The thought version of the Hierpin
Speaker 9: card really says quite a bit, right. Even the throne
Speaker 9: of the Higher Fin here literally is the bull itself.
Speaker 9: And then you have these sort of nested five pointed
Speaker 9: stars kind of as you were saying, right, and then
Speaker 9: you got that white one of the child like on
Speaker 9: its chest or midsection, and then it's gown too. It's
Speaker 9: really almost like becoming part of the earth or something
Speaker 9: like that, right.
Speaker 2: And I think this is interesting.
Speaker 9: Too because Taurus is fixed Earth, and there's a lot
Speaker 9: of symbolism with the Higher Fin that relates to like
Speaker 9: retaining tradition, you know, and sort of like a preservation
Speaker 9: of something, and that's what the pope or a high
Speaker 9: priest or you know, something along those lines, a figure
Speaker 9: along those lines kind of represents, is maintaining this tradition
Speaker 9: or these insights esoteric secrets. That's another thing. This figure
Speaker 9: is really known for knowing things that other people don't know.
Speaker 9: He's again the keeper of the keys, the keeper of
Speaker 9: esoteric doctrines. And there's even some like more modern maybe
Speaker 9: actually this is more modern, I mean, as the Crowley
Speaker 9: deck is relative to like the whole history of the
Speaker 9: tarot is modern. But there's decks where the two followers
Speaker 9: underneath the pope. Sometimes you'll see them almost like grabbing
Speaker 9: a key. Sometimes you'll see one of the figures and
Speaker 9: he has a knife behind his back, almost like he's
Speaker 9: going to kill the pope or something like that. And
Speaker 9: so they've kind of encoded this whole thing that like
Speaker 9: he keeps secrets basically, And there's a whole thing with
Speaker 9: silence as well, I think with the pope, and what
Speaker 9: corresponds with the higher fint card or excuse me, with
Speaker 9: Taurus is the neck as well. And a lot of
Speaker 9: times the higher fin has like almost like a blue
Speaker 9: band around his neck or something along these lines. And
Speaker 9: so there's kind of a whole entire thing regarding language,
Speaker 9: I think with this figure, and that that might be
Speaker 9: in part a representation of some of the keys that
Speaker 9: he holds, is like secrets related to language and rituals
Speaker 9: and initiation and sort of things like that. So one
Speaker 9: of the things, though, I think is fascinating too is
Speaker 9: the fact that all of those stars are coming out
Speaker 9: of like the midsection there of that woman who is
Speaker 9: isis and basically a representation of Venus in my opinion,
Speaker 9: and she's holding a crescent right in one hand, kind
Speaker 9: of like the horns of a bull or the moon
Speaker 9: or the crescent that Venus makes or something along those lines.
Speaker 9: And then she's whole what looks like a sword. I
Speaker 9: actually think he may be encoding a subliminal nail. It's
Speaker 9: like a nail sword because the Hebrew letter that corresponds
Speaker 9: with his card is nail. And the way I see
Speaker 9: the nail, and actually you can go to the next
Speaker 9: slide because it's zoomed in a little bit above. Yeah,
Speaker 9: exactly what the nail represents is it binds, right, and
Speaker 9: so it's going to bind pieces of wood together. The
Speaker 9: way I see this, I see this as like a
Speaker 9: world axis sort of symbol, right, and so just like
Speaker 9: a straight vertical line, just like Roman numeral one or
Speaker 9: the letter I or the wand or something like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: Just to say that, my opinion is there are realms
Speaker 9: above and below and they're all connected through their center
Speaker 9: through this vertical axis. And so the vertical axis has
Speaker 9: been viewed as well as a nail. The nail has
Speaker 9: encoded this axis that binds different realities together. So in
Speaker 9: a way, again it's almost not unlike the pillars in
Speaker 9: the cabbalistic tree binding these different worlds together, kind of
Speaker 9: like the papal cross as well, that central axis binding
Speaker 9: these three levels of reality sort of together. And to me,
Speaker 9: the kicker with this one is that the an alternative
Speaker 9: name for the pole star was the nail star. And
Speaker 9: so when you look in the northern sky, you know,
Speaker 9: all of the stars, the fixed stars go around this
Speaker 9: central star, so it's like a point of pivot in
Speaker 9: the in the heavens, and so the nail star to me,
Speaker 9: kind of relates to this concept basically.
Speaker 8: Been nailed in place.
Speaker 2: Nailed in place. Yeah, yeah, exactly right, yep, for sure.
Speaker 9: And then even just to break it down on like
Speaker 9: really simple basic symbolic terms, I see the key as
Speaker 9: well as basically being a world axis symbol. And so
Speaker 9: I used to say all the time that poles and holes,
Speaker 9: you know, so many symbols go back to this dynamic
Speaker 9: between poles and holes, which relates to like sexual symbolism. Well,
Speaker 9: keys and locks is the same thing basically, right, and
Speaker 9: so poles and holes, keys and locks, the nail is
Speaker 9: pretty much the same thing. The obelisk, you know, I
Speaker 9: think of the obelisk in Saint Peter's Square, which came
Speaker 9: from Egypt as well. When yeah, when you look at
Speaker 9: Saint Peter's Square from above, I don't have it here,
Speaker 9: but it makes a gigantic keyhole. It looks like a keyhole, right,
Speaker 9: And this is where the Pope will be in between
Speaker 9: his two pillars, addressing his people in front of this
Speaker 9: gigantic obelisk that's right in the middle of this keyhole
Speaker 9: that is Saint peter Square.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: May I add in geometry terms, that or symbolic geometry,
Speaker 3: the line is the becoming of the point or as
Speaker 3: you alluded to, the nail symbology is the line of
Speaker 3: course and pull start the point. So those relationships are
Speaker 3: both masculine. And then the pentacle or as you referred
Speaker 3: to earlier with the taro, which is fascinating and being
Speaker 3: it being the plane. The plane and the volume are
Speaker 3: both feminine in geometry, and the volume kind of being
Speaker 3: the coming of the plane.
Speaker 8: And the cup the volume holding the Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I used in my presentation.
Speaker 9: I use the z axis as a symbol for this
Speaker 9: vertical axis for the world axis right, the X axis
Speaker 9: and y axis, and then the z axis right of
Speaker 9: verticality basically, I think is kind of another sort of
Speaker 9: metaphor here. But look this pentacle is these pentacles are
Speaker 9: coming from between her legs as well. Right, so I
Speaker 9: mean just Venusian symbolism.
Speaker 3: To be man, right human?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 9: So actually, speaking of if you want to go to
Speaker 9: the next lide, you know, when it comes to the
Speaker 9: womb or Uterus and the Filippian tubes, this whole system
Speaker 9: most people associated either with Aries and or Taurus, right,
Speaker 9: and you could see why very easily. You can see
Speaker 9: why Aries, and I think you can really see why
Speaker 9: with Taurus. And if you go to the next slide, actually,
Speaker 9: this is actually an X ray with liquid uh you know,
Speaker 9: whatever plunged up in there to get this X ray.
Speaker 9: And look at how much that really truly makes the
Speaker 9: silhouette of a bowl. I mean, it's like a dead
Speaker 9: ringer in my opinion. And then I've got another one
Speaker 9: too that you can see, yeah, right, And so if
Speaker 9: you go to the next slide, so this is just
Speaker 9: the righter weight version of the higher fin noticed the
Speaker 9: sort of uterus looking you know, illustrations or reliefs in
Speaker 9: those pillars there, Yeah right, So again the feminine quality. Really,
Speaker 9: it's all there if you want to yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: exactly for sure. And then just to kind of emphasize
Speaker 9: the power of cow and bowl symbolism, this is literally
Speaker 9: when you really start reading Secret Teachings of All Ages
Speaker 9: by Manly P. Hall, I think they show like an
Speaker 9: image of him or someone else in the beginning, and
Speaker 9: then once you really start reading, like chapter one, you
Speaker 9: see this print here, you see this plate and it's
Speaker 9: called a Group of World Religions, and it shows you one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 9: six at least six instances of the bowl or cow
Speaker 9: in sort of the origin story of like different world religions.
Speaker 9: So you have Taurus and the upper left, it's the
Speaker 9: beginning of sort of that arch right, and then you
Speaker 9: have the rest of the zodiac, and then you just
Speaker 9: work your way down and then there's several examples, and
Speaker 9: then in the bottom right you have mythrisk slaying that
Speaker 9: cosmic bowl. So he begins his like masterpiece work by
Speaker 9: talking about this, which I think obviously you know says
Speaker 9: quite a bit, so definitely worth looking at if you've
Speaker 9: never seen it. And then here you know, just the
Speaker 9: idea of like a heavenly bowl is something that's been
Speaker 9: echoed like several times, you know, across cultures.
Speaker 2: Right, and here you have this.
Speaker 9: Blue bowl stars along its belly, and to me, this
Speaker 9: particular illustration right, which is like clearly Egyptian. I think
Speaker 9: it's fascinating because of what I said earlier about the
Speaker 9: earth being related to the cross or the square, and
Speaker 9: so if you're treating the bowl kind of like the
Speaker 9: firmament basically, and these people are underneath, they're in between
Speaker 9: the four legs, it's almost like the four pillars of
Speaker 9: Earth or whatever, the four corners of Earth or something
Speaker 9: along those lines.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 8: In Egypt, they had the APIs Bull, which was basically
Speaker 8: a body for the soul of Osiris to reside in
Speaker 8: before it was reborn, and there was all these qualifying
Speaker 8: factors of it was a black bull with a white cube,
Speaker 8: and like you know, there was all this mythology that
Speaker 8: breathed on your children they would be successful. But it
Speaker 8: was basically a sign to be slaughtered at a certain
Speaker 8: date and but but but it was also to carry
Speaker 8: the divinity during a certain time on the earth itself.
Speaker 3: You know, I believe that the bull in Egyptian terms
Speaker 3: was corresponded with nutt who as you just said, Robbie
Speaker 3: carried Rah across across the sky.
Speaker 9: Mm hmm, yeah, you could even see like I don't
Speaker 9: know if that's exactly what it's alluding to, but those
Speaker 9: two boats underneath the belly, right, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 9: then even the the crescent moon, Like there's so much
Speaker 9: arc ship boats and associated with like the moon in
Speaker 9: lunar symbolism, right, which is echoed in horns. So what
Speaker 9: I didn't say earlier when I showed the five pointed
Speaker 9: star of the Duot. I have a book called the
Speaker 9: Isis Thesis by this woman named Judy K. King, and
Speaker 9: basically what she puts forward is according to her hieroglyphic translations,
Speaker 9: she says that at least in one point in time,
Speaker 9: amongst a certain sect of Egyptians, that their understanding was
Speaker 9: that their soul a sense to the northern sky upon death,
Speaker 9: and they believe that they exited the horn of a
Speaker 9: great bull basically upon death in the northern sky.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: That's really interesting as well, because if you look at
Speaker 9: like the Dendari zodiac, there's the thigh of the bull
Speaker 9: in the northern sky, which is basically major and so
Speaker 9: that's so there's northern bull stuff for sure, like that's
Speaker 9: what kind of almost can be a separate conversation or whatever.
Speaker 9: But the other thing that's really interesting about that is
Speaker 9: that we know, regardless of sort of your cosmology or
Speaker 9: what kind of earth you think we live on, I'm
Speaker 9: very convinced that there is a toroidal field around Earth, right,
Speaker 9: and that this is the magnetosphere, and that there's an
Speaker 9: opening at the north right, and this is why we
Speaker 9: have the northern lights pretty much, and this opening is
Speaker 9: what they're referring to. And to me, it's like no
Speaker 9: coincidence that we refer to it as a Taurus field.
Speaker 9: Of all the things, right, of all the labels, we
Speaker 9: refer to it as a Taurus field. So to me,
Speaker 9: when they're referring to the horn of a great bolt,
Speaker 9: they're talking about the torust field.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, yeah, I'm down with that.
Speaker 7: I always when it gets oh it is the Earth
Speaker 7: round or flat, I always say we're on a turtle
Speaker 7: and I get really into the turtle lore. But the
Speaker 7: tortoise is the Taurus. Yes, and sometimes the tortoise is
Speaker 7: connected to cancer, but at the same time it's also
Speaker 7: can be connected to the bowl a lot. But then
Speaker 7: the moon connects with that as well, because the moon
Speaker 7: also exalts in Taurists. So there's lots going on there.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm with you on.
Speaker 5: That for sure.
Speaker 2: Definitely, hell yeah, right on, Yeah, no, it makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense to.
Speaker 8: Me, just kind of a wing nut thing in the
Speaker 8: whole mix of things. There's this conspiratorial idea that the
Speaker 8: swastika was a fire sign being related to the bull,
Speaker 8: whereas the peace son.
Speaker 1: Was a water sign.
Speaker 8: And there's kind of this whole thing that Aleister Crowley
Speaker 8: gave this to Winston Churchill, and I who's to say
Speaker 8: if it's even true, but it's just interesting, like wing
Speaker 8: nut theology that's out there, you.
Speaker 9: Know, totally, totally. Yeah. So if you go to the
Speaker 9: next lide, you're just going to see a simple depiction,
Speaker 9: a graphic depiction, not a real photo or anything, of Taurus.
Speaker 9: And so you really see that v that I was
Speaker 9: talking about earlier, right, and then it's worth talking about too.
Speaker 9: But within Taurus there's the Pleiades basically, and so it's
Speaker 9: the seven Sisters and and you know my opinion, essentially,
Speaker 9: I think you guys, you guys aren't going to be
Speaker 9: surprised with this one, but I maybe already mentioned it
Speaker 9: here at some point I probably did. But the idea
Speaker 9: that the original seven stars of Enlightenment belonged to Ursa
Speaker 9: Major in the north. People's idea of a stairway to
Speaker 9: heaven existed in the northern sky, and this was during
Speaker 9: primordial polar times pretty much. And so there's this concentration
Speaker 9: of symbolism in the northern sky, and at some point
Speaker 9: these symbols and the storylines and the mythology I think
Speaker 9: got exported largely to the path of the Sun when
Speaker 9: people became more solar, right and when people really latched
Speaker 9: onto helio centrism and considered the Sun to be the
Speaker 9: new center in the heavens basically. And so what happened
Speaker 9: was my understanding based on the authors that I like
Speaker 9: to read and everything else, and there's actually more people
Speaker 9: who've written about this than I previously imagined, but that
Speaker 9: the symbolism shifted to the Pleades, and that the seven
Speaker 9: stars of Versu Major a lot of its symbolism shifted
Speaker 9: to the Plades, and this basically from the Pliades or
Speaker 9: Taurus to Scorpio basically became the new axis to the afterlife,
Speaker 9: and when you look at how people talk about the pleades,
Speaker 9: I mean, it makes all the sense in the world
Speaker 9: that there's actually like an earlier sort of storyline. You know,
Speaker 9: my ancestors come from the pledes, We assent to the pledes.
Speaker 9: I think this is kind of a modern sort of
Speaker 9: I wouldn't say distortion. It is and it isn't, but
Speaker 9: it's definitely an echo of something that existed previously. And
Speaker 9: because people became more solar, they paid more attention to
Speaker 9: the path of the sun, they paid more attention to
Speaker 9: the ecliptic, so they had to find a new axis.
Speaker 9: So I think that maybe symbolically it's like people were
Speaker 9: more vertically inclined, were more vertically oriented rather and had
Speaker 9: a connection with the divine in the above and below,
Speaker 9: and then things became more horizontal, and this maybe was
Speaker 9: the actual real pull shift from polar to solar. Because
Speaker 9: to me, to think of this axis from Taurus to Scorpio,
Speaker 9: there's a lot of interesting things going on there, but
Speaker 9: it's not very it's not as holistic in my opinion,
Speaker 9: it doesn't really to me feel like the true center
Speaker 9: of things. I think in people sort of perception, it
Speaker 9: has become that over time. But I see that the
Speaker 9: northern sky has more of a true, unifying, holistic, eternal
Speaker 9: sort of quality to it, just in general.
Speaker 8: And so I have seen in a couple places that
Speaker 8: the symbol of the plates is substitution for the pole star. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know as far as the seven and the seven.
Speaker 9: Here's even another wrinkle to all of this. And I
Speaker 9: did a whole presentation called the Pleadians, the Pleadians if
Speaker 9: people want to watch it, And basically, Alice is the
Speaker 9: father of the seven Sisters of the Right. And when
Speaker 9: they used to show Alice, he was holding the firmament
Speaker 9: way back in the day. Nowadays he's holding a world,
Speaker 9: he's holding a globe. Beforehand he was holding like the
Speaker 9: vault of heaven or the ceiling of heaven, basically, right
Speaker 9: and so, and you know they would show him in
Speaker 9: a northern sort of looking location and like a central location.
Speaker 9: So to me, the Seven Daughters is a reference to
Speaker 9: ursa major. If you look into the mythology of the
Speaker 9: seven Sisters, there's actually a missing sister, and they actually
Speaker 9: have a myth about the missing sister.
Speaker 2: I could be mistaken.
Speaker 9: I think her name is Elektra and that she's the
Speaker 9: missing sister, because when you really look at the Pleiades,
Speaker 9: there's actually only six main stars, and so they had
Speaker 9: to come up with mythology that sort of reconciled the
Speaker 9: difference between the seven stars of Ursa Major and then
Speaker 9: the six stars of the Pleiades, and they both look
Speaker 9: very similar to right, Ursa Major looks like a dipper vessel,
Speaker 9: and then the Pleiades kind of looks like a vessel
Speaker 9: too as well. So for that reason and more, I
Speaker 9: I think it made sense to create this new axis.
Speaker 9: And another thing with all of that is that when
Speaker 9: you're looking towards Taurus, you're not only looking at the Pleiades.
Speaker 2: You're looking towards Aldeboron.
Speaker 9: You're looking at al Debaron, which is the eye of
Speaker 9: the Bowl, which is one of the royal stars of astrology.
Speaker 9: And then you're also looking at the galactic anti center.
Speaker 9: When you're looking towards Scorpio, you're looking towards the galactic center,
Speaker 9: which I even feel like I need to I don't
Speaker 9: know if I need to qualify that. I don't know
Speaker 9: if that's necessarily the true center of things basically, but
Speaker 9: it's what's been said is the real center right towards
Speaker 9: Scorpio and terras in between like Taurus, excuse me, in
Speaker 9: between Scorpio and Sagittarius.
Speaker 2: And also a Fucus is right there as well.
Speaker 9: And so people in today's world have basically latched on
Speaker 9: the heaven heavenly gate symbolism with Scorpio and the Hellish
Speaker 9: gate symbolism with Taurus. So the cross keys of the
Speaker 9: higher fin the golden gate would be, yeah, the golden
Speaker 9: gate would be Scorpio, and then the silver gate would
Speaker 9: be Taurus, if I'm not mistaken, the gateway to heaven
Speaker 9: and the gateway to Hell. So just an interesting thing
Speaker 9: to consider with this polar to solar shift. But if
Speaker 9: you want to cruise to the next slide, actually so
Speaker 9: you can see the pleiad's right there kind of in
Speaker 9: the shoulder right there, right, and you only see it's
Speaker 9: that cluster of stars. How many stars are they showing
Speaker 9: right there? They're showing six, not seven. But if you
Speaker 9: go to the next slide too, you'll see sort of
Speaker 9: this new axis right, so generally from Taurus al de
Speaker 9: Baron towards Scorpio, which I don't think you can actually
Speaker 9: see here really, and then if you go to the
Speaker 9: next slide, this is where I have the information from
Speaker 9: my recent presentation, the Turus scorpio axis right, Taurus, Silvergate,
Speaker 9: Galactic Anta center, Hell, the Heaven excuse me, the royal
Speaker 9: star being Oldeboron, then the Golden Gate, Galactic Center, Heaven,
Speaker 9: and Tara's Yeah. So I think, actually this is kind
Speaker 9: of veering away a little bit from Venus stuff. But
Speaker 9: when you look at the death card, if you want
Speaker 9: to go to the next slide, I think this is
Speaker 9: actually what it's really referring to. It's referring to this
Speaker 9: new solar axis that people have aligned themselves with. Because
Speaker 9: you have literally the higher fint pope right there on
Speaker 9: the right hand side, very much indicative of Taurus. He's
Speaker 9: literally underneath two towers. He's always in between two pillars, right,
Speaker 9: and so they're aligning him with that central pillar or
Speaker 9: that sort of gateway the keeper of the keys. But
Speaker 9: I think in this artwork, what you're kind of seeing
Speaker 9: is that the true keeper of the keys is death
Speaker 9: himself or death death themselves. And by holding that poll,
Speaker 9: what I kind of see is that, well, not only
Speaker 9: is there a flat with this rose that we've been
Speaker 9: referring to, this five pointed rose that's inverted for the
Speaker 9: most part, the largest sort of silhouette of it is
Speaker 9: pointing downwards, right, So we're dealing with this gateway sort
Speaker 9: of dynamic. But he's holding a pole, a world axis symbol.
Speaker 9: One legged symbolism is world axis symbolism in my opinion,
Speaker 9: which is why you see the thigh of the bowl
Speaker 9: in the northern sky in the then Dera zodiac. And
Speaker 9: what I kind of see is that this pole almost
Speaker 9: subliminally continues the line downward, like through the leg of
Speaker 9: the death figure and then also through the leg of
Speaker 9: that horse right there. So from the very top of
Speaker 9: the canvas to the very bottom of the canvas there's
Speaker 9: almost this implied unbroken line that's basically saying that death
Speaker 9: is in charge here, this is his card basically, and
Speaker 9: that the pope is kind of like subordinate to the
Speaker 9: cycles and rhythms of death and everything else. So I
Speaker 9: think that this is really speaking to the scorpionic taurus
Speaker 9: sort of axis scorpio being related to death and rebirth
Speaker 9: and sex and everything else. And then everything Tourus relates
Speaker 9: to which we've been talking about, Well, you.
Speaker 7: Can even add or to help validate that it further
Speaker 7: is like with Libra ruled by Venus, it's there to
Speaker 7: be the gatekeeper to the underworld.
Speaker 2: Yes, the like I.
Speaker 7: Sometimes refer to it as like the customs agent, where
Speaker 7: it's like where you're going, you're going to the underworld,
Speaker 7: where you're going, do you have your stuff? Like are
Speaker 7: you going to the right place? Like making sure everyone
Speaker 7: when they do go there, that they are going to
Speaker 7: the right place that they are like yeah, set up
Speaker 7: for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah totally man, Yeah, yeah, you got it. So yeah.
Speaker 9: So I've never seen this so clearly in my opinion
Speaker 9: that it's a reference to the Taurus Scorpio polarity axis business.
Speaker 9: But to me, it seems pretty clear that this is
Speaker 9: definitely like the case, and that's what most people if
Speaker 9: you're going to start looking into things, I would say
Speaker 9: that most people who are like into astrology, this is
Speaker 9: probably the axis that they would point to if there
Speaker 9: was such a thing as like a Sti way or
Speaker 9: a ladder to Heaven or something along these lines, right,
Speaker 9: And even just how people treat these two constellations, and
Speaker 9: especially the pleats, how people treat that asterism like it
Speaker 9: implies all of this stuff in my opinion, but the
Speaker 9: last two slides are just plugs and then I'm all,
Speaker 9: I'm all wrapped up here. Of course we can continue
Speaker 9: chatting and everything else, but I just did just the
Speaker 9: other way.
Speaker 4: I wanted to look at some of the first second,
Speaker 4: don't the way something on that horse was just reminding
Speaker 4: me of thought?
Speaker 5: Was okay with the legs and ship?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're all good man.
Speaker 8: Oh well, I did want to bring up in regard
Speaker 8: to Venus and and the whole death ruling overall, when
Speaker 8: you get into the mythology the rolling of the Golden
Speaker 8: Apple and then they picked Venus or Persephone as the
Speaker 8: most beautiful and then they marry her a vulcan basically
Speaker 8: so he can create the weapons for the gods in
Speaker 8: regard to the reigning down of terror and death. So
Speaker 8: there's maybe something there as well.
Speaker 2: Oh totally.
Speaker 9: One of my favorite death cards shows a nude woman
Speaker 9: as death basically, and she's holding a scythe. And there's
Speaker 9: another death card that I have where it's a pregnant
Speaker 9: woman holding a scythe as well, so I think it's
Speaker 9: it's very interesting. Was Vulcan known for being like not attractive, he.
Speaker 8: Was ready complexed. He was so ugly, all the goddesses
Speaker 8: ran away from him. And basically the deal was made
Speaker 8: that he would marry or Sephanie or Venus in exchange
Speaker 8: for he was a titan basically that had been locked
Speaker 8: away in the underworld, and they brought him back, that
Speaker 8: resurrected him up and gave him, you know, the most
Speaker 8: beautiful Venus for the sake of him, you know, giving
Speaker 8: the gods the various thunderbolt, the vajna and some of
Speaker 8: the other various various accouterments.
Speaker 9: Gotcha, gotcha? Okay? Right on, Well that's what I got.
Speaker 9: Like I said, the last two slides are just quick plugs.
Speaker 9: I did a show on just an audio only podcast
Speaker 9: on Taurus recently, and by the time this comes out,
Speaker 9: you know, it'll be freely available to everyone. But that
Speaker 9: woman that I was referring to earlier, Ola Wolney, she
Speaker 9: submitted a voicemail. It's really awesome. She's super interesting. She
Speaker 9: really thinks that Venus contains a lot of the secrets
Speaker 9: for like female alchemy and all sorts of other stuff,
Speaker 9: which I don't disagree.
Speaker 5: With that completely, right, right, and so, and.
Speaker 9: Then I did this presentation called Death and Taurus relating
Speaker 9: to pope symbolism in the Vatican and kind of getting
Speaker 9: into a lot of the stuff that I mentioned with
Speaker 9: the Abbe and the Keeper of the Keys and you.
Speaker 2: Know some other stuff. If people are interested, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: I will say on a lot of my enlightenment journeys,
Speaker 7: there's some that I've like kind of calculated through just
Speaker 7: like using taking all this knowledge, whether like the astrology wheel,
Speaker 7: like I use the alphabet, all these things to like
Speaker 7: get to like understand this journey and like the loops
Speaker 7: and everything. And at one of the craziest ends of
Speaker 7: one of it, and it was these thru like just
Speaker 7: decoding the alphabet and being like, Okay, well now I
Speaker 7: need to go live this out so that if I
Speaker 7: am to teach about the alphabet, I've at least like
Speaker 7: like I've gone through this or whatever. And when I
Speaker 7: got to the end of it, that's all I could
Speaker 7: think is that like whatever.
Speaker 6: I met, whatever energy I came to.
Speaker 7: When I was like at the end of the Death,
Speaker 7: I could see like how complex, like just got to
Speaker 7: the end of my lesson, I felt like, hey, I
Speaker 7: just met Venus and it was keecked to the letter
Speaker 7: Z and everything and like and that wlod kind of
Speaker 7: thing and Z sorry Canadian, the Canadian came out there.
Speaker 7: But uh, in that, I think Venus has a lot
Speaker 7: to do with the phoenix. Those two words seem to
Speaker 7: seem to sound a lot alike as well. And in
Speaker 7: that too, it's like birds are very vocal. They're the
Speaker 7: singers of like this realm pretty much right, So that
Speaker 7: has to do again with like the taurus and the
Speaker 7: cerebellum and ruling like this part of that and they
Speaker 7: that you could even say that with libra because libra
Speaker 7: is an AirSign communicator. A libra is like the like
Speaker 7: one of the masters of understanding the social constructs.
Speaker 6: And like that whole kind of thing.
Speaker 7: So uh, I don't like to have tons on that,
Speaker 7: but like it has to do with like, yeah, the
Speaker 7: A to Z and the alphabet, like it's phoenix arizona,
Speaker 7: phoenix a Z. It's all hidden in it that it
Speaker 7: has to do with it all. And that's what I
Speaker 7: would have like liked to have brought more on. But nonetheless,
Speaker 7: at the end I met at the end of my
Speaker 7: journeys a lot of times I'm pretty sure it was
Speaker 7: Venus that I met or something.
Speaker 9: Oh dude, that's awesome. I'm so glad you brought that up.
Speaker 9: For a few different reasons. One, Alif the first letter
Speaker 9: in Hebrew is ox, right, and so we're dealing with
Speaker 9: the bull the cow. This is a castrated bull, and
Speaker 9: so there's a Venusian connection there.
Speaker 2: The other thing is that.
Speaker 9: The first and last cards of the major arcana encode
Speaker 9: bowl symbolism, because one the fool relates to aliph, the
Speaker 9: first card of the major arcana, and then the last
Speaker 9: card of the major arcana is Tao is related to Tao.
Speaker 9: The world card is related to Tao, which means cross,
Speaker 9: but Tao is in like Taurus, right, and so all
Speaker 9: crosses kind of symbolically relate to the Tao cross the
Speaker 9: anc is related and things like that. And then also
Speaker 9: that kind of just reminds me too of I can't
Speaker 9: remember how the mathematics work out, I'm sure, or maybe
Speaker 9: somebody here knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 9: But pie, the way we use pie is actually like
Speaker 9: it could be shortened if we used tao instead of pie.
Speaker 9: And so there's even some people that promote the use
Speaker 9: of Tao over pie because you have to do an
Speaker 9: extra step when you're using pie mathematically, but Tao in
Speaker 9: and of itself, you don't have to do that extra step,
Speaker 9: and so don't ask me too much more beyond that,
Speaker 9: But I just think it's interesting that it's related to.
Speaker 7: The shortest fraction you can get to form something close
Speaker 7: to pie is twenty two divided by seven gets point
Speaker 7: three one four. So we have that twenty two again,
Speaker 7: which was v and everything.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, totally interesting.
Speaker 9: So anyways, this beginning and end, I even think of
Speaker 9: the literally the trust field as well, you know of
Speaker 9: just just kind of this cyclical sort of thing. And
Speaker 9: then you know, yeah, so what you said there, I
Speaker 9: totally can see where you're coming from and why you
Speaker 9: would think that or see that or shore that.
Speaker 4: One thing I did want to mention, you know, you
Speaker 4: talk about the phoenix and the you know, and thinking
Speaker 4: of Venus and Netsak, where Venus would be on the
Speaker 4: cabalistic ttory of life.
Speaker 5: The rainbow doesn't emanate from that over.
Speaker 4: To Hode, So I mean I could see like how
Speaker 4: you maybe like the phoenix, you know, how it has
Speaker 4: the rainbow close.
Speaker 5: I could I could see that.
Speaker 4: I've even questioned if the rising phoenix because it's rising
Speaker 4: from the ashes. This is how I look at It's
Speaker 4: basically the right pillar. How he was explaining male and
Speaker 4: female ones, receptive ones, projective. You have light that's getting
Speaker 4: sucked to a magnet. I've offend wondered if the rising
Speaker 4: phoenix is like the light coming from the left side
Speaker 4: going back to where it's going, you know, the dark,
Speaker 4: the blackness, the ashes light. Yeah, like yeah, it's kind
Speaker 4: of like kind of taking a U turn.
Speaker 3: I now will never look at M and W the
Speaker 3: same with the dual triangles. And I was going to add,
Speaker 3: I think that it's uh you could. I'm always looking
Speaker 3: at where they're two. There's four, right, and with the
Speaker 3: masculine and the feminine there is With with the masculine
Speaker 3: you have projective as as you pointed out, and also reflective,
Speaker 3: and with the feminine you have receptive and creative too.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: They're they're like the matrix, like the ma that we
Speaker 3: and we celebrate. So just just an interesting and that
Speaker 3: kind of dual out dual triangles kind of correlates with.
Speaker 5: That as well.
Speaker 4: If you think about that's exactly how pictures have made
Speaker 4: or like at least now with the computers, you sucking
Speaker 4: light onto a magnum. Yeah, it's basically going from the
Speaker 4: right pillar to the left projective.
Speaker 8: One thing, one thing I was going to bring up.
Speaker 8: Are you familiar with the second Venus as the Greeks
Speaker 8: called her as far as Psyche. Yeah, so Venus her
Speaker 8: child Cupid basically got together with this earthly woman, Psyche,
Speaker 8: and they took her up on top of the mountain
Speaker 8: and put her up on top of the blackstone, basically
Speaker 8: in the wind, and she ended up having this kind
Speaker 8: of night journey. But there was an argument amongst the gods,
Speaker 8: and nonetheless they said it. They ended up saying it
Speaker 8: was okay for Cupid to be with a mortal and
Speaker 8: then as a result of that, their child that was
Speaker 8: born was pleasure is, which is where we get pleasure
Speaker 8: on earth.
Speaker 2: So uh oh good, I.
Speaker 8: Was gonna say, But Venus, she was super upset that
Speaker 8: people were calling Psyche the second Venus. You know, that
Speaker 8: was her main beef, her being you know, the most
Speaker 8: beautiful of the goddesses.
Speaker 9: So one of the things I was gonna add, Tija,
Speaker 9: I love that you brought up Libra being like the
Speaker 9: entrance to the underworld right and being ruled by venus.
Speaker 9: My kind of my opinion is that similar to mercury
Speaker 9: hermes going to the underworld or different sort of spheres
Speaker 9: of reality or whatever, I see it, that sexual symbolism
Speaker 9: when a man is having sex with a woman, he's
Speaker 9: going to the underworld. Basically that's part of the deep
Speaker 9: symbolism behind it, you know, in my opinion, right, And
Speaker 9: so even there's that dynamic as well, that the underworld
Speaker 9: symbolically can have this sort of feminine correspondence, and so
Speaker 9: even to the orgasm being referred to as like the
Speaker 9: little death or whatever, right, And so I think that
Speaker 9: there's like a lot to be said there. And then
Speaker 9: of course when you ejaculate, it's a similar sort of thing.
Speaker 9: It's just like energy going up the pole basically, you know,
Speaker 9: going up to the underworld or what have you. So
Speaker 9: I think that that's kind of related. And then the
Speaker 9: other thing I was going to say too, regarding the
Speaker 9: Tau connection with the last card of the major arcana
Speaker 9: the world or Universe card in the crole version of
Speaker 9: the Universe guard he most cards most decks do to
Speaker 9: pick like the tetromorphs, the four living creatures, right, the
Speaker 9: cardinal or excuse me the fixed signs, including Taurus the
Speaker 9: bull and in his deck. It's really interesting because they
Speaker 9: all are in the corners right, and then you have
Speaker 9: the bowl I think in the lower left or lower
Speaker 9: right corner, I can't remember. But the bulls eyes are
Speaker 9: the only eyes that are swirling. All of the other
Speaker 9: eyes for all the other creatures are just kind of
Speaker 9: normal for what they're supposed to look like, but the
Speaker 9: bulls eyes are actually swirling. And so there's even a
Speaker 9: whole deep dive bull's eye connection with Aldeboron being the
Speaker 9: eye of the bull, the eye of Buddha. It was
Speaker 9: once known as I think it used to be called
Speaker 9: the follower as well, and there's all sorts of things
Speaker 9: going on there. And then literally like target, like to
Speaker 9: have a target tour get it's a reference to the bull,
Speaker 9: right tor. And then even centaur is a reference to
Speaker 9: the bull as well, in that centaur basically means bull killer,
Speaker 9: and so arguably you can say that the centaur in
Speaker 9: astrology is aiming at the bowl. I think there's actually
Speaker 9: a few interpretations, but that's one of the interpretations. And
Speaker 9: this kind of makes sense as well because Sagittarius is
Speaker 9: right next to scorpio. So when the scorpion is rising,
Speaker 9: the bull is falling as well. So even like in
Speaker 9: the mythraic mysteries with the tarroctny, you have the little
Speaker 9: scorpion pinching the testicles of the bull, right, and so similarly,
Speaker 9: when the centaur is rising, the bull is also falling.
Speaker 9: And so to me this all comes into play funny
Speaker 9: enough with target, like the store target, and so you
Speaker 9: have target target get.
Speaker 2: The eye of the bull.
Speaker 9: The symbol is a bull's eye, it's a circumpunct. It's red.
Speaker 9: Al de Baron is also referred to as like a
Speaker 9: red planet or a red star. Basically, there's a lot
Speaker 9: of symbolism with Al Debaron related to Mars and things
Speaker 9: like that, right, and so their branding is red. They
Speaker 9: have a bull's eye logo, and then their mascot is
Speaker 9: a bull terrier of all dogs, of all breeds. It's
Speaker 9: a bull terrier. And then they put literally a bull's
Speaker 9: eye over the eye of one of its eyes, right
Speaker 9: to kind of whatever, just flesh out all of this stuff.
Speaker 9: So I did a video about it years ago, but
Speaker 9: it's kind of amazing that the target symbolism really it's
Speaker 9: related to Taurus and the bulls eye and all the
Speaker 9: things I just mentioned.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating. Your whole presentation was fantastic. And I read
Speaker 3: that it was the bullseye expression was from hunters engaging
Speaker 3: their prey in that manner that they got the target
Speaker 3: right in the head or I but I think it
Speaker 3: makes much more sense your idea that it's more stellar.
Speaker 3: So that's awesome point on a great presentation, man.
Speaker 9: Right on, Thanks dude, appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Last one last beautiful thing to say about Venus. Venus,
Speaker 7: when we enter tourist season, that's when we first get
Speaker 7: our first blooms and blossoms that happen. And when it starts,
Speaker 7: the grass starts to get greener, we start seeing flowers,
Speaker 7: we start seeing all that. It's it's a very very
Speaker 7: beautiful time of the year. Also in Libra season, that's
Speaker 7: when the leaves start to turn from green to gold
Speaker 7: and so on so forth, a very beautiful season, just
Speaker 7: reminding us how much Venus is here to teach us
Speaker 7: to appreciate the beauty, especially the beauty in the birth
Speaker 7: and the death as well.
Speaker 9: So definitely definitely right on.
Speaker 5: All right, Genny, ready, Uh, that's sure. I am already
Speaker 5: watch which one of these? Which one of these?
Speaker 3: Down?
Speaker 1: They're not in order, so we'll just I'll just all
Speaker 1: try and under ten minutes and to it. Mario kind
Speaker 1: of dead. Okay, So this is I thought it would
Speaker 1: take you. Since Mario's here and I don't often get
Speaker 1: the opportunity, thank you, I'll take the opportunity to like
Speaker 1: do some symbolic studies with Mario. So they obviously do
Speaker 1: a tontrac chronic mixture version with the little Vita Ca
Speaker 1: astrology thrown in, which I'm sure Maria's familiar with most
Speaker 1: of it. Stuff, No big deal, and I'll try and
Speaker 1: be concise. So the I think the one thing to
Speaker 1: think about is we go through all the pictures, is
Speaker 1: like the Venus or the goddess, we could say she
Speaker 1: has many expressions in Tantra. She can be expressed in
Speaker 1: every sephra, she can be expressed in every planet, and
Speaker 1: there are different densities or different personalities. Maybe you could
Speaker 1: say she even has at and so the deeper you get,
Speaker 1: her expression outwardly also changes, so that's really important. And
Speaker 1: then Tantra also preferences two numbers really, which is well
Speaker 1: three numbers, will say three numbers, So it's seven, ten
Speaker 1: and ten, which is obviously two numbers because it's one
Speaker 1: in zero e ceph for our negative space via negativa.
Speaker 1: So that even goes along with something that Mario is
Speaker 1: saying right at the beginning with Va. It's like there's
Speaker 1: a negative quality to it. And I'm not saying negative
Speaker 1: isn't bad, just a negative polarity, you could say. And
Speaker 1: so she Lakshmi is the sort of superficial density of
Speaker 1: the goddess. You could say, it's her as a frivolous maiden.
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, she was originally married to Shiva in
Speaker 1: the earliest praanas, but then this got changed so she
Speaker 1: would be married to Vishnu, who is the greatest hero
Speaker 1: of the Mahavira, so he's the worldly hero, so he's
Speaker 1: the one who dies, reincarnates, comes into the world, and
Speaker 1: this is conducted by Venus. So it goes along with
Speaker 1: what both Rabi and Mario were really saying. It's like
Speaker 1: there is an element of life and death, and I
Speaker 1: will get back to that, but this is actually even
Speaker 1: though I'm saying it's the normative Hindu goddess and it is,
Speaker 1: this is actually a tontric image. Why is this the
Speaker 1: tontric imistint Because she's riding of Hahna. Her vehicle is
Speaker 1: named Ulu, who is the owl. This is only found
Speaker 1: in contric images of Lakshmi. So if you ever see
Speaker 1: this in the wild, you will know instantly, okay, that
Speaker 1: person is actually signaling to something else. Because you don't
Speaker 1: see this very often. It's very hard to find. And
Speaker 1: so because she's really fixed, so Mario brought up that
Speaker 1: really interesting point about being enthroned, So she's fixed in place,
Speaker 1: and usually in the non tontric images, she's actually looking
Speaker 1: down at her own reflection in the water, and she's
Speaker 1: transfixed by her reflection in the water. And so she's
Speaker 1: also non generative. So I thought that was another really
Speaker 1: interesting point, talking about polarities and receptivity and you know
Speaker 1: the polarity the different forces. So she's non generative. So
Speaker 1: she the only thing that she expends her power on
Speaker 1: is worldly things gems, gemstones, gold, silver, all that she
Speaker 1: grants wealth, but she's fickle. She's a maiden, so she
Speaker 1: doesn't grant wealth infinitely. She grants it in portion, which
Speaker 1: obviously also relates to the idea of net SoC because
Speaker 1: it grants fortune and life force in portion. So I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of an interesting idea. Okay, sorry, Nick,
Speaker 1: we can go to the next one.
Speaker 4: Have you ever, I'm assuming you understand a little bit
Speaker 4: of a new meat from the Book of the Look right,
Speaker 4: a little bit. I would like just this image. It
Speaker 4: makes me think a lot about her, the gems and
Speaker 4: the jewels and the sense and this and that she's
Speaker 4: supposed to have. Yeah, even though it's totally differently, you know,
Speaker 4: a pantheon and everything, it just made make me think
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a I think everyone on the panel agrees
Speaker 1: that there is a relationship. Maybe not one to one,
Speaker 1: but there's a relationship with all the pantheons. I think
Speaker 1: I think everybody would say yes to that. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe not, but.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go to the buffalo symbolism right away.
Speaker 1: So I know, you're seeing a lion and you're asking
Speaker 1: buffalo symbolism. Well, the demon that you're seeing, he actually
Speaker 1: is a buffalo. That's what his name is, ahish ma Asura,
Speaker 1: the buffalo demon. Literally, so this is Venus as Tondica
Speaker 1: or the fortress. Obviously that corresponds kind of one to
Speaker 1: one with nets A, at least in one understanding. So
Speaker 1: she rides into battle, so she's bringing to that goverratic
Speaker 1: quality Venus bring coming into the fortress, sort of racing
Speaker 1: into the battlefield to slay the demon. So there's something
Speaker 1: else so interesting about this is that alder Baran, the
Speaker 1: star that Mario and Robbie discussed in Tontra, that is
Speaker 1: a goddess called Rohini and she is the red bull goddess.
Speaker 1: So she's actually married to the moon. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of interesting as well. Okay, we can go the oh.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say this is this is
Speaker 1: she is the highest expression of Venus. You could say
Speaker 1: inenormative religion. So if you're just like a Hindu and
Speaker 1: you want to pray to the highest God of the
Speaker 1: highest God, because there is a hierarchy and there just
Speaker 1: as I said, there are different expressions of the goddess.
Speaker 1: Not all of them are equal, and it's really important
Speaker 1: to understand like why and where they are in the hierarchy.
Speaker 1: So she is definitely the zero if we're going to
Speaker 1: talk numbers, because she's not really contained in her own
Speaker 1: her will is not really contained within her She's a
Speaker 1: composite of all the deities, all the demons, all the
Speaker 1: she is Mohammaiah. Basically, she's just the like Nick was
Speaker 1: you and saying, like the it's luciferic expression of light,
Speaker 1: like just that explosive force. So okay, we can go right.
Speaker 9: Actually, I would love to add something real quick if
Speaker 9: you're on my mind. Very interesting stuff, dude. I love
Speaker 9: it when you present images and talk about them and
Speaker 9: everything I've read before. I think it's fascinating that you
Speaker 9: brought up the buffalo connection here. And I've looked into
Speaker 9: this figure lightly remember a while back, but I've read
Speaker 9: in some of my resources that there is a traditional
Speaker 9: sort of adversarial dynamic between the line and the bowl
Speaker 9: or buffalo, and that the line represents like this heat
Speaker 9: and this fire and dryness, and the buffalo and cower
Speaker 9: bowl can represent like a moist sort of quality, and
Speaker 9: that they've been used as like animals, to be sort
Speaker 9: of symbolically like contrasted and things like that. So just
Speaker 9: the fact that that's kind of echoed here, I think
Speaker 9: is interesting. And then just to kind of piggyback off
Speaker 9: of Nick's point with Knutt or Nui, I see it
Speaker 9: that if you look at the circumpunct as an example,
Speaker 9: Nui would be the circle itself, and then had it
Speaker 9: would be like the point itself in the middle. Right,
Speaker 9: kind of piggybacking too off of what Jinja said regarding
Speaker 9: everything she represents and all of that, the totality of
Speaker 9: all the things, so you know, in some ways you
Speaker 9: can look at it that the masculine exists sort of
Speaker 9: within her or what have you.
Speaker 1: Anyways, that definitely the no Mario. That was great because
Speaker 1: it definitely explains like a lot of what she is
Speaker 1: and who she is, and so we can go the
Speaker 1: next one's screening. So this is actually a tontric goddess,
Speaker 1: so I said it the first image. That's not a
Speaker 1: tontric goddess, but I use a tonic image. So this
Speaker 1: is the highest expression of the wealth goddess, so Lockshmi.
Speaker 1: But she gets an upgrade, so she gets to be
Speaker 1: called Kamalatmika. And if you hear a similarity with someone's name,
Speaker 1: that is because there's a direct one to one relationship.
Speaker 1: So Kamala Mika is the golden goddess. So this is
Speaker 1: also really interesting. And you can see she's sitting on
Speaker 1: a five pedal lotus in this image in particular. But
Speaker 1: tonic images tend to be a little idiosyncratic depending on
Speaker 1: region or artist or different things, but it should relate
Speaker 1: to the text. So this actually does relate to one
Speaker 1: of the Kamala Meka tontras where she sits on a five.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting and I'm going to actually get back
Speaker 1: to that also. But when she is expressive in the world,
Speaker 1: as you see, she's looking straight ahead. She's not looking
Speaker 1: above orblow, she's looking just straight because her power is
Speaker 1: to grant infinite boons, so boons that do not affect
Speaker 1: your karma. This is obviously from a contract perspective, so
Speaker 1: you can interpret it how you want, but she does
Speaker 1: not implicate karma. In fact, the she can grant liberation,
Speaker 1: but the goddess, when she's at her lower form at lauchmet,
Speaker 1: she actually uses your karma to grant boons from your
Speaker 1: future lives. So you're implicating your wealth karma or your
Speaker 1: love karma or anything when you even just pray, just
Speaker 1: regular normative prayers, So she doesn't. So that's another interesting
Speaker 1: kind of idea. When you're getting like a little higher
Speaker 1: in tontric thinking, like what they can do and who
Speaker 1: they are, and you can see her Vahana is the elephant. Well,
Speaker 1: the elephant's really interesting because you guys brought up the
Speaker 1: son or like the goddess has a son in Cupid,
Speaker 1: Well you could say that the elephants usually there are
Speaker 1: four to represent the four quadrants or the four crossroads.
Speaker 1: This is actually how it's even described. And her son Ganesh,
Speaker 1: although it's not necessarily this goddess's son, although they are
Speaker 1: all one in some ways. Yeah, you could you can
Speaker 1: also say that, so her son is Ganesha. Obviously they
Speaker 1: call him, we call him Ghanapatin Buddhsm. But so Ganessha
Speaker 1: who has an elephant's head. So he's the lord of obstacles.
Speaker 1: I know he gets assigned to other things like lord
Speaker 1: of wealth and all that stuff, but really he's just
Speaker 1: the lord of obstacles. That's like his really his primary function.
Speaker 1: So you can see, like how important. So she even
Speaker 1: lifts even though he's a higher god, like he is
Speaker 1: considered a Maha Deva, he's even higher than that. She
Speaker 1: can actually lift hit any obstacles that he play before
Speaker 1: you to. Well, there are ten directions in Tntra, so
Speaker 1: This is also really important because there's five above, five
Speaker 1: below and then up and down right. So anyways, sorry
Speaker 1: about this. So you they come together and she kind
Speaker 1: of lifts off. So that's what venus is. It's like
Speaker 1: really like it's very luciferic in chatre. It's just like
Speaker 1: you're like, sorry, we can go the next one, okay.
Speaker 1: So you can see I did choose it because she's
Speaker 1: wearing green and I thought that's interesting in green and gold.
Speaker 1: TJ brought that up. Nick brought that up, like that
Speaker 1: nets oc gold and green quality. So this is actually
Speaker 1: her real husband, who is Kubera. So Kuberra is a
Speaker 1: Yaksha king, meaning that he's a nature god, but he
Speaker 1: is actually the god of wealth. A lot of people
Speaker 1: have different ideas of like who the god of wealth
Speaker 1: is in Hinduism, this is the god of wealth, Kuberra.
Speaker 1: So he's married to latch Me. So he is considered
Speaker 1: to be the tryasurer of the celestial and the chathonic treasury.
Speaker 1: So he literally sits in the vault counting the coins
Speaker 1: and his wife Lakshmi spends them. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: idea when she's granting you a boon she's kind of
Speaker 1: spending the things from the karmic treasury. So that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. When you know, you pray for something and
Speaker 1: she grants it, well, it's just it's a future thing
Speaker 1: that actually you've already earned. It's something that you'll get
Speaker 1: in a future rebirth. But she's actually borrowing it from there,
Speaker 1: so you can exhaust it, you can exhaust it in
Speaker 1: one lifetime. So that's why she's considered fickle. So she
Speaker 1: also hates her husband. So that's also interesting because even
Speaker 1: though I picked one where he's considered like he looks
Speaker 1: more handsome, he's usually like a little pot belly dwarf,
Speaker 1: which is how all yakshas look. So you know, that's
Speaker 1: just the way it is. But you can see the
Speaker 1: greater Lachmi standing above them pouring the jewels down. So
Speaker 1: in this form, she's not using your karma. She's actually
Speaker 1: drawing from the higher heavens. Her husband, her true husband,
Speaker 1: which is Shiva. As I said, she got switched, but
Speaker 1: he's a worldly god, so in this he's also she's
Speaker 1: also married to a worldly god, but in her higher portion,
Speaker 1: she's really married to the highest god, who is Siva.
Speaker 1: Because he's really the one if you want to think
Speaker 1: of it like that. Okay, we can go the next one. Certain, Okay,
Speaker 1: So there we go, shoe crass. So this is the
Speaker 1: planetary deity of Venus. So this is like the outer
Speaker 1: of the outers, you could say, like if you're giving it,
Speaker 1: like what is net SoC Like, this is the Venus.
Speaker 1: This is like the planetary probably intelligence, you could say.
Speaker 1: And so he is sex, drugs and rock and roll.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, Marios talked about this as well
Speaker 1: in his amazing videos. So yeah, he's sex, drugs and
Speaker 1: rock and roll. He you know. He one really interesting
Speaker 1: story that correlates to something that all you discussed was
Speaker 1: the thing about eternal life. So originally Venus ran clockwise
Speaker 1: or turned clockwise, and so that's really Shukra. So the
Speaker 1: physical planet is Shukra. So when it's turning clockwise, he
Speaker 1: was able to grant humans immortality. But some of the
Speaker 1: other gods, not Shiva, Vishnu or the Goddess, the middle
Speaker 1: tier gods, you would say, they said, look, if you
Speaker 1: grant them immortality, what's going to happen is there will
Speaker 1: be no more gods born in heaven. Because that's one
Speaker 1: of the consequences of good karma right is to be
Speaker 1: born in a higher realm. So they basically said, you
Speaker 1: have to turn the other way. So then he took
Speaker 1: away that boon or that portion of life force, and
Speaker 1: then we have mortality. So this also goes along with
Speaker 1: the death card. Who is also riding a white horse,
Speaker 1: and the white horse is a really interesting mount because
Speaker 1: it is amount is specifically in Tantra that is only
Speaker 1: associated with kings, So very interesting, I think. And the oh,
Speaker 1: this was a note because I don't have a slide
Speaker 1: on it. But you guys were talking about the sun
Speaker 1: and like how we lived well, Mario and I have
Speaker 1: discussed it, like polar age, solar age, hyperborean age, who knows.
Speaker 1: But there is something interesting is that the Sun cult
Speaker 1: in India, so this is kind of the reverse of
Speaker 1: the West. Almost the Sun cult became absorbed into the
Speaker 1: Weish novel cults, so the Vishnu cult, so all of
Speaker 1: the vishnws, like all the different forms of Vishnu that
Speaker 1: most people worship, that's the most prevalent kind of Hinduism,
Speaker 1: like seventy percent them. So Suria got absorbed into them.
Speaker 1: So Surria is not no longer an independent deity, but
Speaker 1: he used to be a very very important deity, probably
Speaker 1: the one of the primary cult focal points, you could say,
Speaker 1: for about seven hundred years. So it is interesting that
Speaker 1: he got absorbed into this kind of what we could
Speaker 1: say is like a hesatic kind of messianic hero cult.
Speaker 1: Just interesting idea. Okay, Nick, we can go the next one,
Speaker 1: thank you. So again the luciferic thing. I had to
Speaker 1: choose this one because when Nick was saying it, I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that totally makes sense, because like, if
Speaker 1: she's empty, she's the zero the light passing through. What happens,
Speaker 1: It refracts into ten distinct spaces or wheels of time.
Speaker 1: So I have said, and I've done a series with
Speaker 1: Nick on this a long time ago, that this is
Speaker 1: actually the tontric version, at least one kind of contra
Speaker 1: of the cabalistic tree, because you can even map them
Speaker 1: in different paths if you understand. So the image itself
Speaker 1: is not complete. It's probably less complete than actual cobalistic
Speaker 1: tree in terms of how much you can glean from
Speaker 1: the outer layer. But if you are just like somewhatle
Speaker 1: you can actually figure it out. So it is kind
Speaker 1: of interesting because they're each numbered and then it's like
Speaker 1: her expression into her will. So when she's them, you
Speaker 1: could say, or them individually, she's fully expressed in her will.
Speaker 1: But when she's the zeros, there is nothing she doesn't have,
Speaker 1: like a core concept, except that the world is her.
Speaker 2: Also, do you know, I love this?
Speaker 9: Do you know if there's a correspondence between the images
Speaker 9: or scenes that sit opposite each other?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? So, do you want me to take you through it?
Speaker 1: I can do it really quick?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the wheel always starts at the top, which
Speaker 1: is Collie, who's related to Saturn. Right, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to give you the tondric astrology like association because I
Speaker 1: think that will make sense to you. But one is
Speaker 1: not a prime number. So one is not the start,
Speaker 1: it's just the movement of the wheel. Right, it's the
Speaker 1: prime mover. It's not the prime cause I've talked to
Speaker 1: Nick about this million times. Psychologize. So then we have
Speaker 1: Tara at two. Tara is in fact the expressive force's
Speaker 1: she's related to Jupiter, so we were talking about like the
Speaker 1: expansiveness of Jupiter infinite in her capacity for mercy and
Speaker 1: loving kindness. The mother of the milk ocean. So we
Speaker 1: also talked about milk before, so that's also interesting. And
Speaker 1: so she nurses Siva. Actually that's one of her fun
Speaker 1: like that's the story that she comes into the world.
Speaker 1: She comes in and nurses Siva with her breast and
Speaker 1: with her milk because it cures the poisons that arose
Speaker 1: from the world ocean from the center. And so next
Speaker 1: is Tripera by Robbie. So she is the three. So
Speaker 1: she's related to mercury. And she expresses the word so
Speaker 1: like the actual name of the word, like the the,
Speaker 1: like the more, not necessarily the sound, but like the
Speaker 1: depiction maybe on paper, that is also her. So you
Speaker 1: can't think of it as like it's not masculine or
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes more masculine like toath. I was thinking
Speaker 1: because Nick is here obviously, but he gets associated with writing,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's true. I think that the
Speaker 1: male deity is the physical act of writing. But when
Speaker 1: we're talking about in a contrac view, they would consider
Speaker 1: the actual letter when it's in an expression to be feminine.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Okay, So that is what she is.
Speaker 1: So she's extremely important. Some Tontra's place Kalia is the
Speaker 1: most important. Buddhist tantra obviously places Tara as the most important,
Speaker 1: and shri Vija tantra, which is just as popular as
Speaker 1: Khali Kola, places Tripra sundry as the most important. So
Speaker 1: the word is the most important in some kinds of contra,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of interesting. Then you have Tripura by Ravi,
Speaker 1: who is associated with the knock Chatra or the hour
Speaker 1: of birth I think that is, or the Logna. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: she's associated with Logna. And then you have Chinnamastica, who's
Speaker 1: associated with Rahu. She's the only goddess who can clear
Speaker 1: Rahu fully from a birth chart. Then you have I'm
Speaker 1: not sure which one this one is, so we'll come
Speaker 1: back to that. But then you have Dumavati as the
Speaker 1: widow in the chariot, so she is related to Tattoo.
Speaker 1: She's the only goddess who can clear Kattuo fully from
Speaker 1: a chart. Then you have Bagalamuki who's wearing the gold.
Speaker 1: She's related to Mars. She actually has a very interesting power.
Speaker 1: It relates to the Hebrew Cabala actually quite well, it's
Speaker 1: like that stunning power, or it's like a she's holding
Speaker 1: a hammer and holding the demon's tongue, So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the potential energy transforming into the kinetic energy.
Speaker 1: It's like the time before something takes action, Like I've
Speaker 1: likened it to the flintlock on a musket before. That's
Speaker 1: very much what it is. But it's also like the
Speaker 1: moment of perception, like if you're driving really fast, especially
Speaker 1: in the winter, and that there's trees around you, but
Speaker 1: the light kind of pierces through and you kind of
Speaker 1: get momentarily stunned. That's even how it's sort of described,
Speaker 1: so kind of interesting. With that, then you have I
Speaker 1: don't even know which one this one is. Which ones
Speaker 1: are we missing? Okay, well that's okay, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But because they do, they look too much alike to me.
Speaker 1: But no, that's basically it. So you can relate them
Speaker 1: each in astrological timing using the Vedic chart. There's obviously
Speaker 1: ten mahavija, ten greater wisdoms, so they could be likened
Speaker 1: to stars. Is one thing I thought was interesting when
Speaker 1: Mario was speaking, because they're kind of greater than the planets.
Speaker 1: They hold more potential, you could say more there, but
Speaker 1: they're not stars at the same time, because the stars
Speaker 1: are actually accounted for in the vitas, they're given specific names,
Speaker 1: so you could even say that they are the negative
Speaker 1: space between the stars and the planets. That's one way
Speaker 1: that it has been described. So that's also kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: I think, okay, boss, we can go the next one.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay. So Mario was talking about, like, oh
Speaker 1: it's starting. Nick was talking about like that relationship with
Speaker 1: Geverra and Mars. So the monkey guy with the red flag,
Speaker 1: he has a direct relationship with Mars. He you could
Speaker 1: say he's like the the higher angelic expression of Mars
Speaker 1: in their system, so he's always worshiped on Tuesdays. Hanuman,
Speaker 1: that's the monkey King, not the same as the Chinese
Speaker 1: monkey kingf saying he's the paronic monkey king. And then
Speaker 1: the little blue guy beside her is really interesting because
Speaker 1: he kind of is the serious god of the Tondrack pantheon.
Speaker 1: He's the dog god. That's why you see a little
Speaker 1: dog even sitting beside him. But it's also her husband.
Speaker 1: It's also Shiva, but it's Shiva in a very specific form.
Speaker 1: Is Siva as smoke. So why am I saying that?
Speaker 1: Because he is non generative. He's an acetic on the
Speaker 1: carnal ground, so he can lead her to greater knowledge,
Speaker 1: but she in and of herself does not possess it.
Speaker 1: And this also corresponds to the chronic stories because he
Speaker 1: is he gives her the tontras, but when he is
Speaker 1: in the world or up at the carnoground either or
Speaker 1: but when he's a little boy, he can't. He doesn't
Speaker 1: say anything's there's a like a Siturnian quality and also
Speaker 1: like a Rahu I always liking it to Neptune. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like a little bit Neptunian, but he's not
Speaker 1: the he's kind of like the mysterious element of that
Speaker 1: more so than he's not like really related to Neptune.
Speaker 1: That's just a more conceptual understanding. But yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: dog god. He writes it. Usually it's a black dog,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it can be any pariah dog, so like
Speaker 1: any kind of like wild dog in the city. He's
Speaker 1: associated with like very outcased carnal ground, like you're living
Speaker 1: on a smash on it. But it's not necessarily transgressive.
Speaker 1: It's just totally acetic, meaning totally non generative. So that's
Speaker 1: one idea Okay, we can go the next one. Thank you, Nick,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: So this is Shiva as the householder. So you could
Speaker 1: say that when the goddess who is not not locks me.
Speaker 1: I know I was talking a lot about Lockshmi, but
Speaker 1: it's not. It is Pavarti. So this is when she
Speaker 1: is a householder and they're all together, so at their
Speaker 1: most coherent, you could even say. So it is interesting
Speaker 1: because I even I wrote down in the chat bowl
Speaker 1: and caw, well, he rides a bull. Shiva rides a bull,
Speaker 1: and she obviously can ride a lion, but there are
Speaker 1: some forms of her where she does also ride a bull,
Speaker 1: so very interesting. And his bull is obviously white. And
Speaker 1: you're talking about milk, well, his worship is done with milk.
Speaker 1: They use milk on that stone, so you can even
Speaker 1: see it. That's why I chose this particular image. It's
Speaker 1: it's the three lines with the red dot in between,
Speaker 1: and you pour. It's a black stone. It's usually made
Speaker 1: of black chloralite, and so you pour milk over it
Speaker 1: and the milk appears blue, so it gives it like
Speaker 1: a turquoise kind of that's the god color, right as
Speaker 1: the turquoise or it can be lapis lazulai. It depends
Speaker 1: in tntra. Sometimes they prefer lapis.
Speaker 3: And that's a lingum, correct, is that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shiva lingam. So it's it can be
Speaker 1: said that he's at his most generative when he's a householder,
Speaker 1: but he's unhappy. That's how it's described. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: to take that literally, but he's described as unhappy as
Speaker 1: a householder.
Speaker 3: I was just going to point out the relationship between
Speaker 3: the lingam and the obelisk, both having the lem meant
Speaker 3: to the phallis line and the point when one viewed
Speaker 3: from above.
Speaker 1: No, that's a great point, Ethan. The thing is is
Speaker 1: that his sons. You see his son sitting there with
Speaker 1: the peacock behind him, his son actually holds something that
Speaker 1: could be described as obelisk like in structure. So it's
Speaker 1: his magic spear, which is a vell. So see that
Speaker 1: has a point. The lingam does not have a point.
Speaker 1: And because it's non generative, meaning he's not and that's
Speaker 1: why he's described as an acetic, because he's not interested
Speaker 1: in perpetuating creation. He's interested in his own mind. So
Speaker 1: that's why he actually goes off into the cardinal ground
Speaker 1: is sick explore. He's like a magician. Rights he's well yogi,
Speaker 1: he's a he's the chief yoga or he's chief Yogi.
Speaker 5: Excuse me.
Speaker 1: So he goes off into the cardinal ground to do yoga.
Speaker 1: That's basically how it's described. So that's where he develops
Speaker 1: tantra because it comes to him when he's surrounded by
Speaker 1: all the ghosts and demons. But his son back can
Speaker 1: be said to be obelisk like, and he is the
Speaker 1: god of logic and chess and all that stuff.
Speaker 9: So the detail of the milk changing color when poured
Speaker 9: on the shivl ingam that that's an amazing detail.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that before.
Speaker 9: And I saw that happen a number of times when
Speaker 9: I was in India, and you're totally right.
Speaker 2: I never made that connection. But that's really brilliant.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks many. I appreciate that. You know that just
Speaker 1: I think that is just because I've seen it so
Speaker 1: many times, U huh. And you know, I know the
Speaker 1: colors are obviously from Buddhism, so I understand like how
Speaker 1: to kind of interpret it. And I've read all the contras,
Speaker 1: not all the times but many contras. So I, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a understanding of the processes even though even
Speaker 1: in a normal pouja, right, because most people who go
Speaker 1: to a pooja, it's like, but most people go to
Speaker 1: a mass, they don't really understand what's happening.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's only like, right, so all the processes, even the
Speaker 1: priests don't know is understand especially I'm talking about Indian.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about anything Christian. I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: normative Hinduism. A lot of the priests don't even understand
Speaker 1: the processes. They might know the you know, the method
Speaker 1: of worship, the shastra, but they don't necessarily understand like
Speaker 1: the different things they're doing.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, right, yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 1: And it is interesting that since you brought that up, Mario,
Speaker 1: he is considered to be the god of secret knowledge.
Speaker 2: So that is that's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 1: Of like tantra and yoga, that he is the god
Speaker 1: of secret knowledge, and he wears the cruscent moon like
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about the crust he wears's head.
Speaker 1: So there's actually a grouping of sixteen goddesses who also
Speaker 1: wear the cruscent moon above their head. So we're going
Speaker 1: to also end on that when we get to the
Speaker 1: last two. Is that the so those goddesses are called
Speaker 1: niche goddesses. They refer to the different phases of the moon.
Speaker 1: So there's sixteen like waxing and like whatever. It's that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how they're arranged. It's like a waxing
Speaker 1: and waning cycle. So they are considered to be her daughters,
Speaker 1: so that is also interesting, and they're like each one
Speaker 1: is given like one or two nights and then they're
Speaker 1: given that worship, but they're worship through her. So remember
Speaker 1: I said that Tantra loves the number seven for her,
Speaker 1: but also the number ten, So you could say that
Speaker 1: this pairing when they're at four also corresponds to what
Speaker 1: Robbie was saying. There is like this expression. This is
Speaker 1: kind of like expansive. They're able to grant boons in
Speaker 1: the normative way. So for most people this is the
Speaker 1: image they'll have. This is a very normative image, except
Speaker 1: that it includes the son who's sitting on the bottom
Speaker 1: that is non normative. So I did choose something kind
Speaker 1: of Tantra, so not necessarily intentionally, but I just did
Speaker 1: think it was more interesting with the peacock king. Okay,
Speaker 1: we can go the next one. Sorry, Nick, thank you.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I did want to say one thing about the other
Speaker 1: image is that he has a blue neck ring around
Speaker 1: his neck. So that is a really important sort of
Speaker 1: motif of Shiva's that it's called nili kantha. It refers
Speaker 1: to this blue green ring and it can also refer
Speaker 1: to a naga, so a snake. When he is wrapped
Speaker 1: around his neck. It prevents the poison, which is the
Speaker 1: sort of you could say the noxiousness of mercury or quicksilver.
Speaker 1: So only mercury is actually not as toxic. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying to anyone to use it, Please don't use it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying as toxic as perhaps is in the
Speaker 1: popular consciousness. So, but there is a point where it
Speaker 1: can become very toxic if you over the over application
Speaker 1: of heat, and it takes a lot of heat to
Speaker 1: make it offset. So basically that's kind of the idea.
Speaker 1: It's like, then there's so much heat that the kind
Speaker 1: of noxious fumes of quicksilver sort of like overtake the
Speaker 1: heavens and then the gods fear for their collapse. So
Speaker 1: he swallows, and then that's why he has the blue
Speaker 1: ring around us. Okay, so this is the star. So basically,
Speaker 1: this is what I was thinking when you guys were
Speaker 1: doing all the tarot stuff, was this is the yontra.
Speaker 1: So this is the magic seal of this very important goddess.
Speaker 1: So I have named like four goddesses. I believe this
Speaker 1: is the highest expression of them, of the goddesses, of
Speaker 1: all the goddesses that I've described, but this is the
Speaker 1: highest expression because it's Yantra. It's formless. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: obviously has a form, but it's on a copper sheet
Speaker 1: as well, and that's also very venus, very nat sock
Speaker 1: and the star obviously. So the five pointed thing, which
Speaker 1: was also interesting, and Nick brought that up definitely, Mario
Speaker 1: brought that up, Robbie talked about it, Ethan talked about it.
Speaker 1: It's the five purified elements in this formation, so not
Speaker 1: always his time is really important, right because it's also
Speaker 1: her husband. But you could say that it's the five
Speaker 1: purified elements, meaning that his chakra. But we're using a
Speaker 1: five point in system. It's all rectified in her and
Speaker 1: then it's expressed in sound. So that's kind of the
Speaker 1: highest expression of venus in contract thinking. It's sound.
Speaker 7: I had that like thought while just staring at it
Speaker 7: was like, just with the geometry and stuff, with the
Speaker 7: five into the six and with the five, it's like
Speaker 7: the five.
Speaker 6: Can go into the six more than the six can
Speaker 6: go into.
Speaker 7: The five, and the six is the structure that holds
Speaker 7: the energy the five to create the harmony. So I
Speaker 7: was just you just validated that for me. I don't
Speaker 7: know if I explained my thoughts well, but you really
Speaker 7: validated that for me.
Speaker 1: No, you absolutely did. That's so interesting you said that
Speaker 1: TJ because she is this goddess for Ahi, which we're
Speaker 1: gonna see image of her next. She's actually considered to
Speaker 1: be the father goddess of Tntra. Even though she's a goddess,
Speaker 1: she's the father goddess, So she's generative at one point,
Speaker 1: but not in the whole you could say, in the
Speaker 1: whole way, not in her whole story or Leela, but
Speaker 1: as the Verahi, she is generative, but it's a masculine
Speaker 1: generativeness even though she's female. So this is explained by
Speaker 1: the fact that she could be considered to be like
Speaker 1: a tree of night goddess, a klepalithic goddess because she
Speaker 1: is the goddess of the smush on her. So she
Speaker 1: rises through all the klipas or all the tree of death,
Speaker 1: and then she arises back. Just like I said, there's
Speaker 1: like a clockwise and a counterclockwise element to venus or
Speaker 1: Mamrio obviously said that too, but yeah, yeah, so she
Speaker 1: climbs up and so then she can climb the whole
Speaker 1: tree like she can climb all the way up. But
Speaker 1: it's because she's gone through this experience. So that's what
Speaker 1: makes her the most important, because she's learned to the
Speaker 1: saying is that she can liberate light in matter with sound,
Speaker 1: So that takes all four elements plus mind, which is
Speaker 1: really akasha the space. So what is a better way
Speaker 1: to trap four elements in space is with a word,
Speaker 1: but it's really sound, So yeah, okay, So that's pretty
Speaker 1: much the explanation. That's why it's also anti and iconic
Speaker 1: because it's there's no image. It's just that's how this
Speaker 1: is the true contric warshaw beyond image, no idol. But interestingly,
Speaker 1: always in the South, these are always installed underneath or
Speaker 1: on the ceiling. If you go to a Buddhist temple.
Speaker 1: These will be installed on the ceiling of the images
Speaker 1: because this is considered to be the true image. Cool, okay,
Speaker 1: we can do the last one, thinks man. So I
Speaker 1: did choose this one specifically because of what Nick said
Speaker 1: was about netsak Geverra, red and green having a relationship. Well,
Speaker 1: even it's interesting because even she's wearing the green undershirt,
Speaker 1: so it's like green as the foundation, but the outer
Speaker 1: sorry is red, so it's like the it's almost like
Speaker 1: the red is perceiving her, the red is looking at
Speaker 1: her and sort pouring over her. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. But you can see like
Speaker 1: she's even standing on the star, because what is she?
Speaker 1: She's the greater expression of space, or at least of
Speaker 1: the way to put the four elements or five elements
Speaker 1: into space. So interestingly, to go along with Mario's point,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mario feels complicated for you, but she is.
Speaker 1: Although I chose an image where she's depicted as throned,
Speaker 1: she I can actually also be dancing, so she can
Speaker 1: be both, So I think that's also interesting. But she's
Speaker 1: the most powerful if you're going to say, like what
Speaker 1: is the most powerful contrick we'll call it undoing air
Speaker 1: quotes archetype of Venus. This is the most powerful condrac
Speaker 1: archetype of Venus because she can be accessed in both
Speaker 1: no normative and non normative kinds of Hinduism, as well
Speaker 1: as the most important goddess in Buddhism, second only to Tara.
Speaker 1: So that's what I have. Thanks guys, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: That was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fantastic. Thank you. That was was amazing.
Speaker 5: Apprecire h. Is there anything else anybody else? What did it?
Speaker 9: I don't think so. There are so many things, though, Jim,
Speaker 9: that you brought up that we could riff on for
Speaker 9: a really long time. And I'm such a visual person
Speaker 9: that you bringing these things to the table is super valuable.
Speaker 9: So I was taking screenshots and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, both those presentations were amazing. For a little levity.
Speaker 3: I thought that the god of seriousness in that Shiva
Speaker 3: form him to have that funny dog is a very funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's really interesting that you bring that up,
Speaker 1: even because he's childlike, right, so he he has like
Speaker 1: an element of play. I know, I've heard Robbie say
Speaker 1: that word before. I say, yeah, that's what he is.
Speaker 1: He's like there's an element like I'm gonna lead you
Speaker 1: to the cardinal ground, but it's not going to be
Speaker 1: You're gonna see terrifying things, but I'm not necessarily terrifying
Speaker 1: in the way I'm presenting myself well.
Speaker 8: And interestingly, she was riding the tiger, but if you
Speaker 8: go back to Mother Kibbili, she rides the lion and
Speaker 8: Addis runs along with her with a dog at his feet,
Speaker 8: which I think very much relates to the full card
Speaker 8: running off the cliff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he definitely is. I would even place him
Speaker 1: att Chuck mat personally. Yeah, so no, I agree with
Speaker 1: that one hundred percent. And with the full Card. That's
Speaker 1: because he he's like, he is very choked.
Speaker 3: Ma.
Speaker 1: He's like a manifestation of the smoke you could say,
Speaker 1: in the world. But he he can travel through the sufferer,
Speaker 1: but he can't really. He can do little things. It's
Speaker 1: like very there's a hode like mercurial like element to
Speaker 1: him where he can kind of like he can influence
Speaker 1: maybe things, but it's it's it's minor. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, you know, the great thing, like a
Speaker 1: childish state exactly.
Speaker 5: All right, nice, Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: There's actually a lot of eye stuff in there that
Speaker 4: I just didn't get into it that maybe i'll talk
Speaker 4: to you about one, Dach. I don't want to come
Speaker 4: on about it, but uh, thank you very much. I
Speaker 4: really appreciate those visuals.
Speaker 5: Thank you all for coming on.
Speaker 4: A little bit longer than I thought, but I mean
Speaker 4: it was all solid salt stuff, so I appreciate you
Speaker 4: all spending the time tonight to meet up again. We
Speaker 4: got Ethan Intogo. His notes are in the bottom, his
Speaker 4: links in the show notes. Frida Jinn as well. We've
Speaker 4: got teaching down there, Robbie Marks and Marios. All their
Speaker 4: links will be in the show notes. Thank you all again,
Speaker 4: this is a great show. Can't wait to do the
Speaker 4: next And until the next one, have everybody be well
Speaker 4: later