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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me in studio is none other than Nick Polyochini.

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<v Speaker 2>What is up, my brother?

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<v Speaker 3>What is up?

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<v Speaker 4>Good sir? It's lovely to see you. Lovely to be

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<v Speaker 4>seen as we're wrapping up February last week. Is crazy

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<v Speaker 4>to think they were already.

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<v Speaker 2>There already, even though it is a shorter month, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels even shorter for some reason, maybe because January

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<v Speaker 2>lasted seventy five days.

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<v Speaker 4>You are correct, and February seems to have been the

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<v Speaker 4>longest on record, even though we're going to be wrapping it.

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<v Speaker 3>Up this week.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's been busy, it's been good, and I want

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<v Speaker 4>to take us to as always very akin to the

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<v Speaker 4>old days with this week of a Nick Poliochanni. This

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<v Speaker 4>Friday is something big that's happening, and you and I

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<v Speaker 4>briefly talked about it just off air, and we kind

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<v Speaker 4>of we sift to save it for the air kind

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<v Speaker 4>of concept.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>So the thing I want to talk about is this

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<v Speaker 4>Friday is going to be a nationwide economic blackout, and

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<v Speaker 4>what that specifically means is that there is a boycott

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<v Speaker 4>of all major companies that is being requested, meaning Amazon, Walmart, Target,

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<v Speaker 4>Best Buy, McDonald's, Meta which would be Instagram and Facebook,

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<v Speaker 4>Ford Motor Company, Chipotle, Coca Cola, which all of these

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<v Speaker 4>are major brands that you can barely get around without

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<v Speaker 4>doing anything.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the reason for this economic boycott?

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<v Speaker 3>They are trying to specifically make their I guess you

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<v Speaker 3>would say people in general.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a group that has come together that's called

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<v Speaker 4>the People's Union USA, and they organized boycotts traditionally before,

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<v Speaker 4>but specifically looking at retailers because they're trying to send

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<v Speaker 4>a message with everything that's been going on. And the

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<v Speaker 4>thing that for me and I have gotten a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of feedback from social media from a lot of listeners

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<v Speaker 4>that KFI and elsewhere that it's specific it's a twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four hour time period where you're being urged to refrain

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<v Speaker 4>from spending money unnecessarily both online and in store with

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<v Speaker 4>these particular large retailers, and it is trying to make

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<v Speaker 4>the and it's a reference specifically to DEI with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with everything that's been going on since January twentieth until now,

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<v Speaker 4>and so with that all being said, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>funny because I was talking to twelve off air. I

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<v Speaker 4>both actively and inactively or you know, passively. I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>been a target since the twentieth I haven't been to Walmart.

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<v Speaker 4>I have been Costco. But you know, we got you

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<v Speaker 4>got to pick and choose your retailers. But this Friday

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be the major And there's been small

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<v Speaker 4>blackouts throughout from you know, the new presidency through now,

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<v Speaker 4>but this is one that is really being pushed, especially

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<v Speaker 4>by minority groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me jump in there. Yeah, and I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>protests and effective protest just about every day with every

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<v Speaker 2>issue on this show. I'm going to be consistent. So

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<v Speaker 2>let me just ask you what word answer, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to predicate how I'm going to respond.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this going to be done in the hopes of

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<v Speaker 2>actually changing something or only creating awareness?

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<v Speaker 3>It is at this point creating awareness.

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<v Speaker 4>Specifically, the hope is to have an economic impact, to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to have a blip on the radar.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me jump in. Go ahead. You are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to have any economic impact. And I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>These major corporations measure their revenue in quarters, not a day.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, if they have a down Friday and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone starts spending on Saturday. It's not going to make

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<v Speaker 2>any different and it's not even going difference, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not even going to register. And I always use the

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<v Speaker 2>Montgomery bus boycott of nineteen fifty five as a comparison point,

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<v Speaker 2>which lasted three hundred and eighty one days and set

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<v Speaker 2>off the modern civil rights movement. That's Rosa Parks. She

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<v Speaker 2>refused to sit at the back of the bus, and

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<v Speaker 2>the people in Montgomery, Alabama refused to use the bus

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<v Speaker 2>lines for three hundred and eighty one days. That had

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<v Speaker 2>an economic impact. Now, there was an old chain letter

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<v Speaker 2>that would float around the nineteen nineties and early two

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<v Speaker 2>thousands called the Big Gas Up because people were mad

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<v Speaker 2>about remember gas price, and they said let's not buy

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<v Speaker 2>gas for a single day. It did not change a

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<v Speaker 2>damn thing. So I say, and I asked, respectfully, are

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<v Speaker 2>you trying to create awareness? Are you're trying to create

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<v Speaker 2>economic impact? Because one day it's not going to create

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<v Speaker 2>any economic impact. What we have seen is people have

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<v Speaker 2>really laid into target and not going to target over

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<v Speaker 2>an extended period of time. That target is feeling it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you say, for one day, we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to spend that any big box retailer or we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to buy over here, bye over there, But the

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<v Speaker 2>next day we can go back to what we were

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<v Speaker 2>doing before. It's not going to be felt. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to make a difference, with exception of you might

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<v Speaker 2>get some news coverage.

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<v Speaker 4>Right and I think that's it. And again, like you've

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<v Speaker 4>just specifically had, I mean, this is why I come here.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing that I like being a part of later

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<v Speaker 4>with mo Kelly is because I learn as well and

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<v Speaker 4>being able to bring in topics like this and talk

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<v Speaker 4>about them in it environment with somebody who is well

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<v Speaker 4>versed in a lot of background information. It's really helpful

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<v Speaker 4>because again it's going to hopefully bring awareness and obviously

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<v Speaker 4>not economically affect those people that are there. I want

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<v Speaker 4>to play and you said target specifically, and target is

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<v Speaker 4>a very big situation.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you would say.

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<v Speaker 4>I was trying to figure out before I came on

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<v Speaker 4>the show tonight exactly how to present it because I

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<v Speaker 4>know I'm going up against the big guns and it

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<v Speaker 4>is always good to bring a little bit of I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know background to it. There's a TikToker not to employ,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the social media platform that was shut down

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<v Speaker 4>and then brought back by the Illustrious Current was shut down, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>allegedly six hours something like that anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>But Amber Haley Lord.

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<v Speaker 4>Who is a advocate for healthcare and corporate ethic related

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<v Speaker 4>issues on TikTok Robin, can you play that piece of

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<v Speaker 4>audio for me please?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is everyone going after Target so hard?

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<v Speaker 5>A bunch of brands backed away from DEI and we

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<v Speaker 5>all decided to boycott Target, Walmart, Amazon, and a slew

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<v Speaker 5>of others. Saw this really great question where this person

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<v Speaker 5>was asking, why is everyone going so.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard about Target?

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<v Speaker 5>I know exactly why, because I've been doing it too.

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of people are more butt hurt

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<v Speaker 5>about Target because Target tricked us for so long talking

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<v Speaker 5>about inclusivity, supporting black brands, diversity, equity, LGBTQ, pride, stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>all the things. Really were loud and proud about so

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<v Speaker 5>many things for so many years, and it was our

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<v Speaker 5>happy place. We felt good being there. We felt like,

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<v Speaker 5>as far as capitalism goes and big box stores, that

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<v Speaker 5>we could safely spend our money there and that they

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<v Speaker 5>had a lot of great brands and they were supporting

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<v Speaker 5>And then just at the slight sign of an issue.

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<v Speaker 5>They just tucked tail and run. They're a big company

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<v Speaker 5>with a lot of money and a lot of lawyers.

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<v Speaker 5>Without a shadow of a doubt, they did not have

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<v Speaker 5>to do this. They were scared, and they were scared

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<v Speaker 5>of losing money, and now they're losing money, and I

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<v Speaker 5>encourage you guys to keep boycotting them. One big move

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<v Speaker 5>that we recently made because we were getting like our

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<v Speaker 5>pet food, like doggy diapers and dog treats and cat

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<v Speaker 5>treats and all those things there, We now solely get

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<v Speaker 5>everything from Chewi and actually we put everything on auto ships.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't have to make a trip to the store,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're getting it for less money. And Chewy is

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<v Speaker 5>a great company.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's solved.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think the thing and that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of information that Amber put out there specifically, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think that for me this is something and as we scroll,

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<v Speaker 4>you know doom scroll, as it's very very popular, you

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<v Speaker 4>are able to find things that align depending on what

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<v Speaker 4>you like and what you click in social media. But

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<v Speaker 4>it was interesting to come across this specifically because for me,

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<v Speaker 4>and being so involved heavily with social media sets, it's

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<v Speaker 4>on set. It is something that you know, and the

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<v Speaker 4>jokes are always there with a meme, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>thirtieth of the month, it's this color and then it

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<v Speaker 4>goes to a different color. For me with being a

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<v Speaker 4>queer person, it is the rainbow that happens for June

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<v Speaker 4>every year because that's that well, because that is LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 4>History month. But it is always wild to me because

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<v Speaker 4>the thing that for me that I've always pushed on

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<v Speaker 4>the show period is supporting small business anyway and really

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<v Speaker 4>leaning into that. But it was something that we had

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<v Speaker 4>always had the Minnesota nice attitude with Target, and that

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<v Speaker 4>was the brand that allegedly really had put themselves out

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<v Speaker 4>there to be in support of minority groups and lean

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<v Speaker 4>into AAPI and to black history and to LGBTQ. So

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<v Speaker 4>the thing that I want to do is, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>again add to the awareness of it. But as I

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<v Speaker 4>always like to do, I like to bring things to

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<v Speaker 4>the show. So how can you make yourself, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a part of it if you so choose, yes, go

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<v Speaker 4>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's real simple. It has to be more than a hashtag.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be more than a day, and it

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<v Speaker 2>has to be about more than just awareness. It has

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<v Speaker 2>to be about Hey, we're not going to shop at

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<v Speaker 2>these businesses, and this is true of any protests to

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<v Speaker 2>insert your cause does matter. We're not going to shop

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<v Speaker 2>at these locations until correct dot dot and it's open ended.

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<v Speaker 2>And then after a quarter of lost revenue, you may

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<v Speaker 2>see businesses start changing their tune because ultimately they care

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<v Speaker 2>about the American dollar and their bottom line more than

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<v Speaker 2>anything in the world. They will sell Girl Scout cookies

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<v Speaker 2>if that's what you're all asking for and demanded of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you think that staying home per se one

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<v Speaker 2>day is going to change their stance on any issue,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely not. It would never happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So let's look at how we can support other businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm saying, if you want to say we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>shop here or there anymore and only shop small, which

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<v Speaker 2>we hear on varying levels each year, correct by all means.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you are sharing this with people, with them

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that they're going to have an impact or there

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<v Speaker 2>might be a change on the other side, I would

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<v Speaker 2>not want you to lie to them, because I'm telling

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<v Speaker 2>you it's not going to yield anything close to that

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<v Speaker 2>type of result. We all know about quote unquote the

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<v Speaker 2>fight regarding DBI. We all know that the different retailers

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<v Speaker 2>that you mentioned have pulled back and that has left

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<v Speaker 2>people feeling some kind of way. The only way that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get them to change is to feel

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<v Speaker 2>the same economic pressure which was placed upon them by

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government. And if you can't meet that same

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<v Speaker 2>level of pressure, and they've already had the meetings and

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<v Speaker 2>they've already gained plan on how long they feel that

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to be protesting or mad, and they

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<v Speaker 2>feel that they can outlast you. And that's why they've

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<v Speaker 2>made this decision at least for now, because they got

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<v Speaker 2>Then they only have to deal with people screaming and

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<v Speaker 3>And that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's the thing specific to this, because

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<v Speaker 4>if you take it even one step further, it's if

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<v Speaker 4>we all need these retailers, there's no question about it. Then,

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<v Speaker 4>as you said, trying to be able to do a

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<v Speaker 4>long game on this, it's real hard not to go

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<v Speaker 4>to Walmart and Target. It's real hard not to go

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<v Speaker 4>and make because the convenience of our lives, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna go to Amazon. You're not gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>to Target. But you're not gonna go to Amazon. Correct,

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and the best part is with Amazon because people

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<v Speaker 4>never see it. That's the thing, because that gets delivered

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<v Speaker 4>to your home, so you can feel real good about

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<v Speaker 4>yourself because it's no one's ever seeing that, as opposed

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<v Speaker 4>to I'm not going to walk into a Target or Walmart.

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<v Speaker 4>So the idea is beyond what's coming on Friday, and

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<v Speaker 4>if you so choose to participate in it, that's great,

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<v Speaker 4>But it's how do you spend your money at these retailers?

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<v Speaker 3>Is what I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 4>So I want to look at some small businesses that

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<v Speaker 4>are because the point is we have people. You have

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<v Speaker 4>people that you care about, as do I who work

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<v Speaker 4>at these places that need the job. So this isn't

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<v Speaker 4>saying you know, I understand we're all doing that walkout

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<v Speaker 4>to make a point or try to feel good about ourselves,

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<v Speaker 4>but how can we be smarter about spending those dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>I have some thoughts about that. Sharing when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 2>Mo Kelly, Nick polo'chinny. We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio

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<v Speaker 2>app and we have a different sounding conversation tonight is

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<v Speaker 2>Nick polo'channey is telling us about this economic boycott in

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<v Speaker 2>the name of the DEI anti DEI stances taken on

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<v Speaker 2>by Target and other Walmart, other big box retailers, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's an economic boycott schedule for this Friday. I've taken

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<v Speaker 2>this stance. It's not going to have an economic impact.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're trying to do anything beyond awareness, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you're respectfully wasting everyone's time. Everyone's aware of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they're not going to be pushed to the

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<v Speaker 2>point they being the retailers pushed to the point that

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<v Speaker 2>they would make a change, I don't know the purpose

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And let me add one thing before I

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<v Speaker 2>turn it back over to you, Nick. Sure, when you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about awareness, part of that has to be an

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<v Speaker 2>edge education process of the general public. And in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the DEI discussion, people for the most part, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know people listening right now are misinformed as to

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. Diversity, equity and inclusion is not affirmative action, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>And I hear it again and again, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>keep saying it, I'll tell you you're wrong every time

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<v Speaker 2>you say it. Think of diversity, equity, inclusion as you

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<v Speaker 2>will expand your reach and also where you are looking

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<v Speaker 2>for qualified, equally qualified individuals. Let's say that you are pilots,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a real example. Let's say you're recruiting

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<v Speaker 2>for pilots for American airlines. You would also have representatives

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<v Speaker 2>which will go to the HBCUs, the historically black colleges

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<v Speaker 2>and universities and recruit from those stem places and also

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<v Speaker 2>invite them to test and become pilots. You're not choosing

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<v Speaker 2>people of color, or who are women, or who are

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<v Speaker 2>GBTQ on the status of them being checking those boxes

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<v Speaker 2>and they're also underqualified or less qualified. That is a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I say to you, awareness, there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be a component as far as educating people to what

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<v Speaker 2>it is not it's just what you want.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, And I think for that specific thing to take

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<v Speaker 4>it even very close to home here at KFI. Last year,

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<v Speaker 4>Steve Gregory, who used to work here myself, and Jacob

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<v Speaker 4>and National, one of the most Illustrious Awards within Media.

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<v Speaker 4>Congratulations once again, well thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Your thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>But the point is we literally won in the category

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<v Speaker 4>of DEI Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, and it had to

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<v Speaker 4>do with everything you've described of how educating people is

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<v Speaker 4>and how what it involves outside of this box being checked,

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<v Speaker 4>because it affects people at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>It affects lives at the end of the day, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it affects livelihoods at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's something that we have even done here specifically

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<v Speaker 4>on KFI with a two hour special and a nine

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<v Speaker 4>episode podcast series, and we're acknowledged for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But unfortunately it has been distorted, it has been misused,

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<v Speaker 2>it has been appropriated, has been used to malign people

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<v Speaker 2>as a slur and pejorative. We see it whenever there's

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<v Speaker 2>an airline almost incident or an actual incident, including today,

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<v Speaker 2>and they say, oh, there's another DEI incident in the

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<v Speaker 2>air today, making the assumption that not only the incident

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<v Speaker 2>was because of someone other than a white cis male, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>but because that someone was either a woman and that

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<v Speaker 2>person was responsible for that incident and was lesser qualified

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<v Speaker 2>and chosen instead of that white cis male, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And the funnier part of that whole scenario is I

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<v Speaker 4>am a white sin it's mail and I'm also queer,

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<v Speaker 4>so I hit the DEI box. But there's you and

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<v Speaker 4>I walk into a business, you see a white man

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<v Speaker 4>and a black man. That's we've encountered it and specifically

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<v Speaker 4>not to see my emails, right. And I think that

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<v Speaker 4>it's in this moment that we have an opportunity again

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<v Speaker 4>to educate and bring awareness to something.

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<v Speaker 2>And I agree with you, and that's why I use

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation absolutely, and part of that is disabusing people

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<v Speaker 2>of their ignorant notions exactly. And when it comes to DEI,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to change the tenor and direction of

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<v Speaker 2>that conversation, that it has to be more to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. It has to be more than

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<v Speaker 2>we need to put pressure on Target and Walmart and

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon to say we want this. There has to be

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<v Speaker 2>a wider educational component so people understand not only what

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<v Speaker 2>you're fighting for, but why you're fighting for it, and

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<v Speaker 2>also why you're against it is actually not what you

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<v Speaker 2>are against, in other words, what you think you're against

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<v Speaker 2>is not even what it is. If I had a

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<v Speaker 2>nickel for every time I had to explain the folks

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't know what the frick you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's it, because we're giving gravity and

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<v Speaker 4>air to something that doesn't get talked about specifically. And

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<v Speaker 4>the challenge is we live in the fifteen second moment anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>So wherever the algorithms of your social media take you,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the lens within your only thing you're seeing. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's what kills me because again, that is where I

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<v Speaker 4>have spent a lot of my time, you know, when

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<v Speaker 4>I was an iHeart an employee and supporting the brand

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<v Speaker 4>here that I was able to really see how that

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<v Speaker 4>curation through technology really changes the definition and really changes

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you a quick question. Sure, break, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to carry this over to the next segment, but

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<v Speaker 2>this I think is going to highlight what I mean

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<v Speaker 2>after the economic boycott. In other words, there's Friday the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighth, what happens on March first.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's again like we joked about it, but I say,

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<v Speaker 4>that's my point and I think that's the hardest part.

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<v Speaker 4>So again and we'll talk about this after the break,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's how do you take your dollars and how

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<v Speaker 4>do you better choose what you're doing, choose where you're

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<v Speaker 4>spending them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I got an answer to that. It's very easy.

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<v Speaker 2>That has to be mapped out before you have the economic.

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<v Speaker 4>And you have to have done so much homework and research,

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<v Speaker 4>and thankfully there's a good amount of that done.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is because it's easier to just see the

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<v Speaker 2>not dismissing or it. It's easy to say, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 2>an economic boycott on Friday. Sure I won't buy anything

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday. And they don't have to think about it

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<v Speaker 2>beyond it, because in their mind they've actually accomplished something.

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<v Speaker 2>They've done something. They put up a hashtager that they

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<v Speaker 2>shared a post and they didn't spend any money at Amazon,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they go home and feel like, see, I've

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<v Speaker 2>contributed to the cause, when those mother fathers have not.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't done anything. They're lazy. If they actually studied

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<v Speaker 2>civil rights movement, they would know that there's a commitment

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<v Speaker 2>not only weeks, months, most likely years as in plural

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<v Speaker 2>and then not only does a country change, but capitalism

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<v Speaker 2>would change, and you have the desired result. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know in this country, when the social media, they move

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<v Speaker 2>on after a week or so. And my point to

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<v Speaker 2>you is Saturday is going to come and people will

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<v Speaker 2>have moved on because they will have thought they would

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<v Speaker 2>have done something, and they would have not done anything.

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<v Speaker 2>They would not have educated the masses, they will not

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<v Speaker 2>have provided any really economic pressure on the entities that

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<v Speaker 2>they want to pressure, and then nothing has been gained.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what frustrates me because you may as a

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<v Speaker 2>group may be well intentioned, but it's poorly executed and

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<v Speaker 2>poorly planned. Right, we'll have more just moment. It's Later

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<v Speaker 2>with mo' kelly KFIM six forty were live everywhere the

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<v Speaker 2>I Heeartradio app.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 2>Mister mo' kelly and Nick Caliochinni still as we're both

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<v Speaker 2>live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. And we've had a very

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<v Speaker 2>spirited conversation about the conversation surrounding DEI and how many

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<v Speaker 2>businesses and retailers are responding to the pressure and the

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<v Speaker 2>executive action of President Trump, and they've responded in different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Some companies like Apple, for example, have pushed back. Some

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<v Speaker 2>companies such as Walmart and Target have given in correct,

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<v Speaker 2>And you have told us tonight about a proposed economic

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<v Speaker 2>boycott across the country. Regarding those retailers who have which

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<v Speaker 2>have given in, I push back on the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to create the type of awareness and impact

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<v Speaker 2>that you might have hoped for. I thought something would

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<v Speaker 2>have something else would have been more impactful and more educational,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was using history as a guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that a fair representation?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a perfect You've definitely brought us in,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you want to reset us right back

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<v Speaker 4>to where we were. And I think that's the reason

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<v Speaker 4>I bring something like this to later with mo Kelly,

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<v Speaker 4>because we can have that spirited conversation and with the

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<v Speaker 4>knowledge and background and experience to really take a dive

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<v Speaker 4>into it. Because it is one of those scenarios that

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<v Speaker 4>I've already talked about. People will participate in it for

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<v Speaker 4>the awareness component of it and to feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 4>But as you said on Saturday, the very next day,

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<v Speaker 4>it'll be two hundred dollars to spend at Target. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>because it will be right back to it. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think the funnier thing. Even to add to it, Target

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<v Speaker 4>their shareholders push back on the company itself and said,

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't want this. So if you go to Target

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<v Speaker 4>dot com or you go to their social media, you're

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<v Speaker 4>seeing Black History Month stuff. Now, you saw API Month

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<v Speaker 4>stuff back last month. You've got things that are coming

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<v Speaker 4>up for a Women's History month, You've got things that

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<v Speaker 4>are being already on the website for LGBTQ Pride Month.

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<v Speaker 4>So if nothing happened now, granted that is a representation

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<v Speaker 4>of okay, we're coming back to it, but also something

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<v Speaker 4>is you know, we have that idea of a brand

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<v Speaker 4>like Target, who is the Minnesota nice of the big

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<v Speaker 4>box retailers who really leaned into it. So the bigger

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<v Speaker 4>question that you and I were starting to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>and we stopped is give me, in your experience or

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<v Speaker 4>your insights kind of what would be a better use

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<v Speaker 4>of the time or better approach I guess for it,

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<v Speaker 4>because obviously, like you specifically have laid out, it needs time,

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<v Speaker 4>it needs education, it needs a lot more than one day. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>even if we're just talking about the awareness component, removing

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<v Speaker 4>the economic impact, which obviously you've already discussed specifically saying

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<v Speaker 4>it has quarters involved and that's how businesses look at

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<v Speaker 4>all that, and that makes perfect sense. But what is

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<v Speaker 4>something that could be done or something that would be

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<v Speaker 4>a better approach.

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<v Speaker 2>All movements need to be able to have a person

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<v Speaker 2>or a group of people who can effectively communicate on

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<v Speaker 2>behalf of those masses coming out of the Montgomery bus boycott.

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<v Speaker 2>I use that as an example. That's when doctor King

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<v Speaker 2>moved to the front of the civil rights movement and

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<v Speaker 2>then became one of the lead mouthpieces, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>to express the fact that this is what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>in America, this is what needs to be changed, this

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<v Speaker 2>is why we're going about it this way to bring

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<v Speaker 2>about the desired change. So people could not only see

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on. In other words, he'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to provide context for why people were refusing to use

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<v Speaker 2>the Montgomery bus line system. This economic boycott is going

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<v Speaker 2>to come and go, and there won't be a cohesive

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<v Speaker 2>voice or message around it. I know. I've seen it

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<v Speaker 2>far too many times with Occupy Wall Street, with the

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<v Speaker 2>pea hats, with the Trump protests in twenty sixteen, with BLM.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens every single year. There isn't a centralized messaging

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<v Speaker 2>source and people who've been agreed upon to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to speak on behalf of the movement and provide context

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<v Speaker 2>and edge so people understand, hey, this is what DEI

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<v Speaker 2>is not, and this is what DEI is. And also

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<v Speaker 2>this is how DEI has either moved the country forward

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<v Speaker 2>or added something to it in a way that you

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<v Speaker 2>did not know. And I was using an example of

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<v Speaker 2>the late astronaut Ronald McNair and how NASA was specifically

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<v Speaker 2>looking in communities they had not looked before. Originally, NASA

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<v Speaker 2>was a military installation and they're only looking for pilots

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<v Speaker 2>and military veterans and what have you. And then in

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<v Speaker 2>the early nine late nineteen sixties, early nineteen seventies they

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<v Speaker 2>started was basically the forerunner of DEI. And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>you saw female astronauts, That's when you saw black astronauts,

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<v Speaker 2>and you saw different people representative of different communities and

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<v Speaker 2>different disciplines becoming astronauts. There has to be someone who

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<v Speaker 2>can articulate the benefits of an inclusive society and not

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<v Speaker 2>just in an employment context, historical context, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>can have a robust conversation about where it fits and

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<v Speaker 2>where it does not fit within our society, and what

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<v Speaker 2>is being proposed does none of that when there are

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of historical examples of how that's been done and

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<v Speaker 2>been done effectively.

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<v Speaker 4>Now to piggyback on that specifically, because you've given a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of context to history, and that makes and hopefully

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<v Speaker 4>we would like to learn from history, and it seems

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't that's not the case. But what does it

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<v Speaker 4>look like now? Because I'm we have an individual leading

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<v Speaker 4>our country who has been incredibly polarizing to a certain topic,

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<v Speaker 4>who has brought in other people that are polarizing to

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<v Speaker 4>a topic. What does it look like for us in

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<v Speaker 4>the fifteen second attention span now? Because historically you were

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<v Speaker 4>able to have that one epic polarizing voice or maybe

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<v Speaker 4>two or three, and the way that news traveled and

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<v Speaker 4>communication traveled it was one thing. So how how do

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<v Speaker 4>we in the modern era approach this? What does that

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<v Speaker 4>look like? Here's the uncomfortable truth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always going to tell you when anyone else the

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<v Speaker 2>trees when I talk about the civil rights movement, it

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<v Speaker 2>was not a month or a year. I used this

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<v Speaker 2>Montgomery bus boycott as an example of something which was effective,

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<v Speaker 2>but it did not bring about the ultimate desired result,

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<v Speaker 2>bring about the ending of segregation. The signing of the

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<v Speaker 2>Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act the Montgomery

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<v Speaker 2>bus boycott was nineteen fifty five. The signing of the

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<v Speaker 2>Civil Rights Act was nineteen sixty four, that's nine years later.

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<v Speaker 2>The Voting Rights Act in nineteen sixty five, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Fairhousing Act of nineteen sixty eight, which and the totality

510
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<v Speaker 2>of those acts change society. But people want it right here,

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<v Speaker 2>right now, in this instant, going back to the fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>second news cycle and also the social media cycle where

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<v Speaker 2>we just move on, where people are not actually committed

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<v Speaker 2>to something. The modern day civil rights movement started actually

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<v Speaker 2>in the late nineteen fifties during the Eisenhower administration, with

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<v Speaker 2>the first Civil Rights Act that most people have forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>and you're talking about, you know, the arc of justice

518
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<v Speaker 2>is long, the ar moral arc is long, and it

519
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<v Speaker 2>bends towards justice. Well, that arc is really really long,

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<v Speaker 2>and it lasted from like nineteen fifty five to nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine. If we're going to fundamentally change America, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be overnight. It's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>one boycott on Friday. It's not even going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a successive boycotts over the course of the year. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an ongoing process with a specific legislative end.

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<v Speaker 2>Legislative there has to be a legislative in or otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be willy nilly and people going to

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever they want, and then people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>fall back into their own silos and then choose to

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever is politically or financially expedient to serve their

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<v Speaker 2>own personal, financial and political interests.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm marinating over all that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, I don't have any good news, no no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>But I say because I think that's the hardest part,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's kind of the world that we're in right now,

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<v Speaker 4>is it's people. And granted, sadly going back to the

537
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<v Speaker 4>fifteen seconds, people want the quick fix, and that is

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<v Speaker 4>not going to happen yep, raising awareness the second that

539
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<v Speaker 4>it happens. If we're just going to remove all the

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<v Speaker 4>things the second that we move into it, and once

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<v Speaker 4>you start clicking away from it on social media, not

542
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<v Speaker 4>only is the attention span gone, but the algorithm is

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<v Speaker 4>now moving it completely to a different world. So how

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<v Speaker 4>people are consuming the information and how people are consuming

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<v Speaker 4>that context.

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<v Speaker 2>Here your more challenge, here's the dirty little secret, and

547
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<v Speaker 2>we won't have to let it go after this. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>those who are in power, those who who maybe the oligarchs,

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<v Speaker 2>the Elon Musk of the world, the Mark Zuckerberg's, the

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Bezos, they know that they can outlast you. They

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<v Speaker 2>know that they have the power through executive actions, through

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<v Speaker 2>corporate structure. They have power. And those who have power

553
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<v Speaker 2>are not going to willingly relinquish it. And they also

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<v Speaker 2>know that you will give up after two weeks or on

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<v Speaker 2>this case, one fricking one day.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with mog Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>And before we go, I do have a final thought

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<v Speaker 2>for tonight, and it kind of ties into something we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about a little bit earlier. If you're old

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<v Speaker 2>enough to remember the Reagan administration, one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>quoted phrases of the administration and the president for that matter,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan, he'd say trust, but verify, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>in regard to nuclear disarmament talks. What some people seem

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<v Speaker 2>to forget or maybe don't even know, is that phrase

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<v Speaker 2>originally was a Russian proverb yes, a Russian proverb. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the phrase became internationally known in English after Suzanne Massey,

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<v Speaker 2>a scholar of Russian history, taught it to then President

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan. And there's a lot of wisdom in that phrase,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of its origins. I know the irony is thick

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<v Speaker 2>given the politics of today, but there's a lot of wisdo.

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<v Speaker 3>Them in it?

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<v Speaker 2>In a world with towing scams and short term rental scams,

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<v Speaker 2>Nigerian prints, email scams, and just garden variety fraud, it's

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<v Speaker 2>understandable to not believe in a lot of things. Believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. We put our trust into a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff that we just can't control. Every intersection we

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<v Speaker 2>drive through, we trust the stoplights for performing is designed

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<v Speaker 2>and not in opposition of one another. We trust when

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<v Speaker 2>we get on airplanes that they have had their necessary maintenance,

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<v Speaker 2>the pilots are sober with adequate sleep, and the air

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<v Speaker 2>traffic controllers are competent, and you know, hopefully not overworked

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<v Speaker 2>on that day or understaffed. And most of those things

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot verify. But there are some things we actually

585
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<v Speaker 2>can verify. We can verify if there's actual fraud and

586
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<v Speaker 2>waste in our federal government. You know, forensic audits happen

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<v Speaker 2>every damn day in this country, in every industry. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not new, it ain't special. You don't need computer programmers

589
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<v Speaker 2>to find fraud. You just need maybe some good accountants,

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<v Speaker 2>trained accountants. That's sufficient, because every forensic audit actually produces

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<v Speaker 2>a report at the end. That's the verification component. And

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<v Speaker 2>then subsequent to that you make cuts, you make changes,

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<v Speaker 2>you fire people, all that kind of stuff. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>make the cuts and not produce a report and not

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<v Speaker 2>produce the proof of the fraud. We shouldn't trust with

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<v Speaker 2>no verification, right, right, We don't have to take someone's

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<v Speaker 2>word for it, right regardless whomever is president, especially not

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<v Speaker 2>an unelected private citizen and unconfirmed by the Senate, and

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<v Speaker 2>that same person has no oversight. If Joe Biden brought

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<v Speaker 2>in George Soros to do what Elon Musk is doing,

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<v Speaker 2>you would likely raise holy hell, and rightfully so rightfully so,

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<v Speaker 2>I happen to believe that if you're going to fire

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of people, no exaggeration, thousands of people, there should

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<v Speaker 2>be an actual preceding report and proof of fraud prior

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<v Speaker 2>to giving out pink slips before you got entire agencies

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<v Speaker 2>and departments, we as the American people, or at the minimum,

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<v Speaker 2>at the minimum, the elected Congress or confirmed cabinet should

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<v Speaker 2>be able to verify any claim of fraud. I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>just have to take your word for it. I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise you end up firing nuclear workers. You shouldn't have oop,

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry, please come back to work. Or you send

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<v Speaker 2>out ill advised emails asking people to tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>they did this past week and justify their jobs, which

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<v Speaker 2>actually is an admission you had absolutely zero idea what

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<v Speaker 2>the employees and agencies did in the first place, or

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<v Speaker 2>like today you have twenty one of your own employees

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<v Speaker 2>quit because there's a lack of cohesion and competence in

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<v Speaker 2>this endeavor. Here's the bottom line. There is no legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>reason to trust what DOGE is doing, not as long

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<v Speaker 2>as we're intentionally being shielded from verifying any of it.

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<v Speaker 2>For KF I am six forty. I'm o' kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>Untangling the mess until it makes sense. KI and the

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<v Speaker 3>KOST HD two

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, Orange County live everywhere on the radio