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Speaker 2: Wayne, what's going on man?
Speaker 3: Raw?
Speaker 2: What's up, buddy?
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm hanging in. What's been going on with you? Man?
Speaker 3: Not a whole heck of a lot. They working on
some stuff behind the scenes. Announcement coming up soon. I
can't really talk about it right now other than that
just eliving the dad lost looking for Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Ooh the mysterious. Can't talk about it right now. It
sounds like my nda. This is preventing me from talking
about my encounters. That is actually going to change very soon.
I'm going to be able to talk about it down
at the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference in Okalla, Florida, coming
up here on April fifth, So if you guys are
in the area, if you've got your tickets, I'm looking
forward to doing that. I try to change up the
presentation when I do these speaking gigs. The first few
I did, I try to keep them pretty simple and
kind of introduction to myself because not everybody knows who
I am. Obviously, not everybody listens to Bigfoot Podcast, and
if you don't listen to Bigfoot podcast or read Bigfoot books,
you probably have no clue who I am. So I
try to keep it to that. But now I'm updating
that to include talking about those encounters for the very
first time on stage down in Florida. Mariah Mayer is
going to be there. Biko Wright, the new cast member
from Expedition Bigfoot. I saw Biko for the first time
on the show alone. I don't know if you've ever
watched that show where they drop these folks out in
the middle of freaking nowhere. Yeah, it's a Bicoh yeah wow.
Speaker 3: I knew he looked familiar. I knew I'd seen him somewhere.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I had no clue either until I saw
his face. He's going to be at the Great Florida
Bigfoot Conference, and I was like, who the fuck is Beaco, right?
So I googled him in the first thing that popped up.
I was like, oh shit, we saw his episodes on
a loan. We watched that season. So he's going to
be there. Charlie Raymond's going to be there. They're going
to have a skunk Ape brown table with a bunch
of investigators from down in Florida talking about the skunk Ape.
Speaker 3: That's including a member of Manimal Research, mister David Degan.
Speaker 2: Yep, David's going to be down there. I'm looking forward
to meeting him in person. There's going to be a
ton of other people there. They're going to have the
encounter's portion, obviously, but I'm most excited about being able
to get this off of my chest and tell my
stories for the very first time, get to do that
on stage. And actually, I got a trailer for the
My Bigfoot Life documentary if we sent over to me,
they put one together specifically for me to show down
in Florida. So we're going to show a little bit
of footage from that get people interested in the documentary
that'll hopefully be out here in the next month or so.
Once I do that on stage down in Florida, the
cat is out of the proverbial bag. So we're going
to set up something maybe for you to step in
as the new host of Sasquatch Odssey. Fred can do it.
I think you can probably handle it. So we're going
to have you over there. If you read the Apple reviews,
people are congratulating Fred on being the host of my show.
But we'll make you and Tiffany the honorary host of
Sasquatch Odyssey, and I'll do a live and put that
out for everybody over here at some point in time
on YouTube. Once I get back from Florida. We'll figure
all that logistics stuff out. But i'll tell you man
beyond that we're starting a brand new show. I want
to plug that in the beginning here because I really
don't talk about that stuff much. But Danny and I
have decided to launch a new true crime podcast. We're
calling it The Guilty Files. I think we're taking a
unique take on this. We've talked a little bit about
it over here, but I'm talking about it now because
as we record this today is Wednesday. I actually put
out the very first episode, if you will, over on
the Guilty Files podcast yesterday. It was just a ten
minute introduction of Danny and I breaking down what the
show's going to be about, because it is a little
confusing for people because it is something that I've never
seen anybody do in true crime. We're doing a case
a week, but there's going to be three episodes. The
very first one drops every Monday. It's going to be
me breaking down the cold, hard facts of the case
the way I've always done true crime. Then Danny comes
in on Wednesdays. He's going to take what I've done
with the case file and he calls it a rewrit
People are like, what the fuck does that mean? How
you rewriting true crime? But he's taking little pieces of
the psychology, the sociology behind these crimes, and he's doing
this unique take where he's writing in Sometimes it's fictional characters,
like a rookie cop for example. Right, Jeffrey Dahmer is
one of the first cases that we're covering in the
first three that we're going to release. There was that
incident where Jeffrey Dahmer had this fourteen year old kid,
I think his name was conorrac sent the so phone
in his apartment and he had created a zombie out
of this kid. He had drilled into his head and
put this acid in his brain to try to create
a living zombie. And this kid escaped out of Dahmer's
apartment and got down to the street. There were some
ladies that saw him. He was naked in the street,
fourteen years old. They called the police. The police come out.
Jeffrey Dahmer comes back from the store while the police
are questioning this kid. Oh, it's just my nineteen year
old lover. We got into a fight. I'm going to
take him back upstairs and take care of him. He'll
be okay. Police turn him back over. So Danny does
this really cool thing where he imagined a rookie cop,
a rookie female cop who comes into that environment in
that scene and answers that call with a more seasoned
police officer. She sees some things that he wasn't picking
up on. She pushes the issue. They end up taking
this kid back to the police station, saving his life.
Jeffrey Dahmer gets arrested right there, and then all the
people that subsequently died as a result of Jeffrey Dahmer's
actions never happened. So those are the kind of things
he does to reimagine the case or rewrite the case.
I think that's a pretty cool take on it. Some
people will be into that, some people want And then
we come back in on Fridays we do a sit down.
We're calling it the Verdict basically, Key and I hash
out the case because we don't agree on everything. Obviously,
we have disagreements about the way things went. We're covering
the staircase murder that happened here in Raleigh, North Carolina,
several years back with Michael Peterson, very well known case,
big time documentary done on Netflix covering that case. So
we're doing the co hosted episode on Friday. So we've
been working on that. We're launching the first nine episodes
are going to drop on April first. They're set to
go out at midnight on April first. So if you
guys are into true crime, head over and check out
the Guilty Files podcast anywhere you're listening to us right now,
Enough of the shameless plugs behind that, man, I've really
been struggling these last couple of days to a few
weeks really just about the state of the Bigfoot phenomenon,
the Bigfoot community. I'd send some things to you and Tiffany.
A couple of days days ago. I get these notifications
on Facebook, and I'm just gonna be honest with you.
I've had social media for years. I don't know how
long Facebook's been around. I don't know how long MySpace
was around before Facebook, but I had a MySpace and
then I've migrated to Facebook. We have Instagram, TikTok, we
have all the socials. But it's because of our work.
It's because of the job, right, It's because of the
shows that we do. They're almost a necessary evil for
us to get the word out for people to say, hey,
we're doing this thing, come take a look at her.
So I'm constantly on Facebook because of that. And I
see these notifications. And I got a notification because I'm
in the Coalition for Critical Thinking and Bigfoot Research group
on Facebook, and I got a notification of a I
think it was Steven Stroyford who posted a video. And
I'm not going to name names here. I'm not trying
to shame anybody. I'm just giving you some examples of
a fairly well known bigfoot researcher, at least to us
here on the East Coast. I'll say, who's doing an interview?
And the headline was basically this guy gets so drunk
during the interview that he's slurring his words, and it
was just a negative thing that they were putting out
about this person. So I click on it. I scrub
through the video and yeah, I don't know if you
had a fucking stroke. I don't know. Maybe he just
came back from the dentist. But he did sound a
little off. Let's just put it that way. He's a
little off interviewed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But even after that, dude, I started getting these notifications
from somebody else that I know in the Bigfoot community saying, hey,
does anybody know why this particular person blocked me on Facebook?
Can you reach out to him and ask him why.
It's the same person that I just saw slurring his
words in this video and being accused of being drunk.
And I'm not saying he was drunk. I have no idea.
I'm just saying there was clearly something off. So it's
the same person, and this person's posting asking why would
he do this or why would he say that? And
then people start going off and saying what a horrible
person is and giving some interactions they had with him.
I'll be frank, I've had people reach out to me
that I trust in the Bigfoot community and tell me
negative things about this person in the past. But I
don't get into that. I don't get into the drama.
I try to stay above and beyond block the drama
out because I don't need that in my life. That's
not why I do what I do. Just sent me
down this rabbit hole of Facebook in Bigfoot in the
community seems to be like a bunch of high school
students going back and forth at each other. We've had
this conversation about some of the other groups and this
infighting that's going on with people on YouTube right They're
calling each other out and doing videos and telling they're
going to kick people's ass. It really started to drag
me down, and I see so much of it going on.
Then this guy's in a fight with this other guy
that I've seen at a conference, and I'm just like,
why aren't we talking about Bigfoot, dude, Why are we
not talking about the subject the phenomenon. Why are we
not doing anything other than what we're doing. Because the
first thing that you and Tiffany, I think tiff was
the first person to respond back these videos of somebody
that's in the middle of an interview you as a
guest on another podcast that's allegedly drunk and slurring as
words makes us look bad. Let's face it. If that's
the first video that anybody types in the word bigfoot
and they're searching on YouTube and that interview comes up,
and that is the case for this person, what are
they going to think. First impressions are everything. The first
impression is the only impression, frankly, and it just makes
us look bad. It Tiff put it like, it makes
us all look like drunk rednecks out in the woods,
beaten on trees looking for Bigfoot. Everybody makes mistakes, everybody
has hard times. We've all had a drink. Dear in
a live right present company is not excluded. I don't
live in a glass house, but I think we have
to be more honest with what's going on and start
to maybe police ourselves a little bit better amongst the
folks that are in the community and care about it,
because some of these people are dragging us down. As
far as I'm concerned, there's a couple of other things
on my list I want to get to that help
perpetuate that. But how did you feel about that again?
We're not calling anybody. I'm not trying to be an
asshole here. You have no idea what's going on in
people's lives. They're human, right, everybody's a human being. Somebody
might have just died. He might have just lost a
dog or a family member or something, and that. There's
plenty of other explanations that could go into the totality
of this. But if you're just looking at a narrow
lens at what I sent you, guys that was posted
in the coalition group, how did you feel about that,
and how do you feel about all of those things,
just in general what's going on in the community.
Speaker 3: I do know the person you're talking about. I know
him pretty well. Who're not best friends or anything like that,
But if I saw him out, I would definitely have
a beer with him. I've always known him to be
a pretty decent guy. And it really surprised me when
you send it to me. I clicked on it. I'll
be honest, I only watched a few minutes because it
was embarrassing to me. It's one of those things where
you just cringe a little bit. Damn, I can't believe
that's happening, And I just couldn't watch anymore, so I
just turned it off and I had a three year
old pulling on me to go play hide and seek.
I can't agree with you more with the whole state
of the Bigfoot address that we're having right now. You're
exactly right. It's like a high school. That's what it
feels like when I started Minimal back in twenty nineteen.
That's why I started my own organization because I didn't
want to be a part I've said that from day one.
I have said that I didn't want to be a
part of these organizations that slander each other and talk
shit about each other. It's all just a big fight.
And I feel like Brian with the Bigfoot community, it
a three letter word. It's ego. We all have a
little bit of an ego. Some have much more than others.
I think we can agree on that, and I think
when those clash, it gets ugly. I also know people
in the paranormal feel what I see over there. And
I'm not investigator anything, but I do know a lot
of them, had them on the show many times, and
what I see over there, and I have talked to
several people in that genre, it's not really the name
calling and all that stuff over there. It's like a
big ass orgy. It's like in all you can fuck
buffet over there. It's crazy. It's like people get into
it just to hook up. It's insane. I think I
would much rather be in my Bigfoot camp than over
in that one. But man, you're exactly right. I don't
know if there's anything that can be done about it.
Speaker 2: I agree, man, And you just told me something I
didn't know about the paranormal research world. That's very interesting.
That's maybe a rabbit hole I'll go down at some
point in time.
Speaker 3: And again, just like the Bigfoot stuff, it's not everyone.
It is not everyone, but it is out there.
Speaker 2: There's so much stuff that's out there, and there's so
many things that we could be talking about. Right, There's
so many things that in my mind I want to
scream at to the rafters and say, why aren't you
paying attention to this? Again, I'm not gonna call anybody
by name, because this person is very legigious and likes
to get in people's space and has quote unquote, what
I've been told, goons that come after people. There's somebody
that's very big in the Bigfoot community. That, in my opinion,
takes advantage of misdirection and mystery surrounding the topic that
he talks about. But this guy's got a shady past,
and it's in the public record. This guy had some
problems in the past that anybody can go look at
if you're interested in it. Just go to the Coalition
for Critical Thinking and Bigfoot Research group on Facebook and
you can go down the rabbit hole and read everything
that's published in these newspapers. It's all public record. But
yet there are so many people who follow this guy
and believe everything he says, hook line and sinker. And
let me tell you, it's not just the one subject
he talks about. He gets deep into some weird shit
with Patty being a human being or a type of
human and all these things. Right, nobody cares. There were
even people in the Coalition group when this one person
was talking about this particular individual and his problems with
the law legally.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: With an arrest warrant and having issues at his job
because of what he had done at this time nothing
to do with Bigfoot. This is before the bigfoot stuff.
There were people in the coalition group defending him. Hey,
have you never done anything wrong? Did you never steal
candy when you were a kid? Have you ever told
anybody a lie? And it was the only thing I
responded to in that thread and said, I think this
is different because this person, when they had their issues,
was an active duty police officer who was under investigation
and was arrested for their crime. Okay, now fast forward.
I used to be a police officer. I wrote two
books on bigfoot. I've collected bigfoot evidence in multiple places
on my property other places. I've seen things, documented things. Now,
if you were to discover today, Wayne, if you googled
Brian king Sharp Atlanta Police Department and you saw my
fucking mugshot that I was arrested because I was defrauding
people while I was a police officer, would you think twice,
even as well as you know me and the time
that you've spent with me and the things that you
know that nobody else knows about me, would you be
hesitant to then say, Wow, that's weird, man, I never
thought that about this person. But would you at least
look into it and say, maybe there's a reason to
question when Brian says something. His integrity was called into
question back then, and it's a proven fact in public
record that his integrity is not as intact as Brian
claims it to be. And by the way, I challenge
anybody listening google my name Atlanta Police officer, Atlanta Police Department.
You're probably going to see three pages that comes up
on Google. But let me tell you what. None of
them are me being arrested. None of them are from
me being one to commit fraud. I didn't have any
illegal issues when I was a police officer. Now, my
recruit picture, they'll probably pop up. I looked like a criminal,
and that looked like a mug shot. It's just the
picture that they took right before I went into the academy.
I joke, but it's a serious matter in my opinion,
that somebody can go out and sell a million books
and do multiple documentaries and tout the fact that they
were in law enforcement for however many years, and yet
this is out there in public record that nobody looks into.
Even if you bring it up to people. It's like
the next guy I'm going to talk about here for
a few minutes. It's like Mike Patterson. No matter how
many times that hoax has been exposed, there's hundreds of
thousands of people that subscribe and eat it up hook
line and sinker. So it's just one more thing. And
you obviously know exactly who I'm talking about. Again, I
don't want to get deep in the weeds because I
don't want to get fucking sued, because this dude is clearlyigious.
What do you think about that? Don't you think there
are things that we should be looking at other than
worrying about who unfollowed us or blocked us on Facebook
or who might be slurring their words in a fucking
interview about Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: You're exactly right as well as I know you consider
your brother. If I saw something like that, it would
shock me and I would go and investigate it. If
you say that, you wouldn't you're a liar in my opinion,
and everything that you had done, everything that I know
of you to have done up until this point, I
would question. I think that's only human. I'm pretty sure
I know who you're talking about with that, because I
just found out about it the other day when you
told me. If I'm talking about the same person and
it shocked me that this dude has the fucking audacity
to do what he now does after everything that he
was involved with prior. It's shocking to me. But you
are a thousand percent right. That's the stuff we should
be worried about, not what some other researcher from Indiana
called another researcher from California. It's just petty little shit.
There's more important stuff going on.
Speaker 2: I know things happen in people's past. I'm not saying
you can't change. I've done things in the past that
I wish I could change right, maybe not get arrested,
but there's other things that I wish i'd done differently,
treated people differently, whatever the case may be. But by
and large, I have any skeletons in my closet. I'm
pretty much an open book. If you want to ask
me something, ask me, and I'm going to tell you
the truth. But I think it just goes further and
shows how gullible a lot of people in Bigfoot seem
to be. They just latch onto these people that they
hold up on these pedestals, and even if you look
them in the face and say this happened, this guy
was arrested for fraud while he was an active duty
police officer. If that doesn't give you pause to go,
WHOA wait, what fraud is lying seeing people? If you
look up fraud, I haven't looked it up by definition,
but I'm sure the word deceiving or lying by definition.
You have to lie to somebody to defraud them. If
I go Wane, I've got a car to sell you.
It's only five hundred bucks. Wire me the money and
I'll send it to you on a record up in Tennessee.
If you send me five hundred dollars and I don't
send you the car, I've just defrauded you out of
five hundred dollars because I lied to you and said
I was going to send you the car when you
paid me, and I didn't. It's that simple. So if
you're going to then go out and stake what you're
doing on your reputation as this police officer. Because I
be honest, people have accused me of it in the past,
so I can speak personally. People have accused me so
many times of talking about my law enforcement career on
Sasquatch Odyssey and as a guest on another podcast to
somehow build me up as a more honest person, so
people believe what I say or believe my evidence. I
just talk about it because it's a part of my life,
it's my job. It would be no different if I
were an electrician or if I worked at Walmart. That's
just what I did for sixteen years of my life.
If people take that and say, yeah, Brian was a cop,
people like it in true crime they say, hey, I
like the fact that you were a police officer. Gives
a different angle to looking at these cases. I have
experience that I can talk about. I'm a trained investigator.
I'm a trained interviewer. I was trained in interrogation to
interview people to determine if they're telling me the truth
or not. That's as far as it goes, though, but
it does speak to the fact that if you're building
your career and this person has basically built the career
on the fact that I was in law enforcement for
X amount of years, I have all this expertise and investigations,
and I'm going to apply that into these investigations and
then put it out there for the world to see. Okay,
if that's in your past, I think you need to
be looked at. It's the same thing with Mike Patterson.
I had somebody reach out to me probably six months
eight months ago and say, hey, I think you'd be
a great guest on Coast to Coast AM. I think
it would be fantastic. I love your show. I think
you're very well spoken. I'm gonna connect you to this
person who can connect you to this person, and hopefully
they'll invite you on Coast to Coast Nine months later,
still no appearance on Coast to Coast AM. Who was
on there just a few days ago, Mike Patterson from Sasquatch, Ontario.
Speaker 3: Are you fucking serious?
Speaker 2: Mike Patterson was on Coast to Coast AM and here's
what it says about his biography.
Speaker 3: Oh I want to fucking break shit right now. That's
how pissed off I am.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, don't break y'all. That stuff's very expensive
in that bigfoot bungalow hole of yours. Here's Mike Patterson's
biography on his Coast to Coast AM interview from just
a few days ago. One of the most controversial Bigfoot researchers,
Mike Patterson, has perhaps the most well documented video, audio,
and even drawings by group family of Sasquatch that he's
befriended in a remote, undisclosed area of Canada. His interest
in Sasquatch began in two thousand and eight when he
was in the woods photographing wildlife and nature. He had
an epiphany to search for the harry folk, who most
call Bigfoot or Sasquatch. Their existence was shown to him
early in life with a childhood citing that he had
that had a traumatizing effect at the time. It's now
been more than twelve years of searching for answers since
his initial close Sasquatch vocal encounter on October twenty fifth,
two thousand and eight. Eight of those years involved personal
contact experiences that continue to show up in his life,
giving him incredible insight into their existence and how Sasquatch
interact with humans. Okay, that's part of the problem with
what we have going on here in the Bigfoot community, right.
I don't fault the folks at Coast to Coast am
for having him on, because you know why, they know
what people are wanting to tune in to listen to.
They don't want to hear about my experiences. They don't
want to hear about your experiences. They want to hear
about some fucker that says Bigfoot comes into his house
and takes selfies. They want to hear from somebody who
claims that they gift inside, has vocalizations going on inside,
or they're interdimensional and they show up out of nowhere
and leave footprints in the snow while him and Dwyane
are in the cabin. That's what people want to hear.
And it's not Coast to Coast AM's fault. It's the
Bigfoot community's fault. It's the people that are in this
subject that are perpetuating that because that has millions of
listeners across the country. Everybody listens to Coast to Coast AM.
It's one of the biggest interviews you can have, in
my opinion, to have anything to do with Bigfoot, the paranormal, UFOs,
you name it. People tune into Coast to Coast for that,
and it's just perpetuating all the bullshit and giving him
validity for the bullshit that he's putting out into the community.
That is a known confessed hoax, plain and simple, hands down,
there's no coming back from that. No matter what he
and Dwayne put out there on YouTube from this point
forward in perpetuity. It doesn't matter. It's already been admitted
that it was a hoax. End of story. Coast to
Coast AM just put a hoaxer on to talk about Bigfoot.
That's what happened. Probably not going to get that call
to be on Coast to Coast in the future. And
I'm okay with that, you know why, because I'm going
to stand on my principles. I'm going to stand on
what I believe, and that's what I believe.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, it fucking infuriates me.
Speaker 2: You said it all.
Speaker 3: I don't know what else I can say other than
it's what's wrong with this fucking community. That's what people
want to see. That's what people want to hear. They
want to hear about Bigfoot farting in your living room
and hitting you in the face with the marble and
stealing your cigarettes. They don't want to hear about the
people that are spending hours out in the woods, freezing
their balls off looking for these things, boots on the
ground and not lying and just reporting what they're finding.
They don't want to hear that stuff. That's boring. But
they want to hear this goober. I don't know, man.
That pisses me off.
Speaker 2: Speaking of weird things, here's another thing that popped up
on my radar. I got a message from somebody a
couple of days ago in Bigfoot that has no love
for Todd Gatewood. You sent me this message, and it
really got my wheels to turn in because if you've
been paying attention to Todd stuff, the last couple of
videos he put out there have been weird. I think
the last one he put out was Bigfoot being recognized
as a person. So I clicked it because I was interested.
And that's just him pontificating about how they've been called
a type of human by Native Americans for years. There's
literally no proof, there's nothing new. It's all him saying
that it's clear looking at this face of Patty that
Patty is a human. Okay, if that's what you think,
that's fine. I don't begrudge anybody their opinion. I have mine,
you have yours. They're like assholes, everybody's got one, so
go ahead, run with your opinion. I'm okay with that.
But the person who sent me this message had a
different take on it, and he said to me, I
wish I could take credit for this because it's brilliant.
I can't believe I didn't think about this myself. He said,
look at those last videos. So you go back to
the video before that. On Gatewood's YouTube channel, he's talking
about something to do with the film, and he keeps
showing a couple of clips of the film. But the
only thing he ever shows that's completely restored air quotes
restored is frame three fifty two. Right, That's the only
that we have seen completely restored, according to what he's
doing in this process. Everything else he'll show, which he
showed a couple of clips of her walking and showing
the bottoms or her feet or something. It's stabilized, its
decent footage. But he'll say this is not restored. This
is not finished. Okay, this person who sent me the
message said he said in that video he's in no rush.
He made it a point to say, hey, I'm not
in a rush to get this done, which is a
pivot because he's been talking about getting this film done.
He's putting out this documentary with the entire all thousand
frames or however many frames are going to be restored,
and we're going to see this altogether in one beautiful
video when Todd Gatewood brings it to life for the world.
But in this video he was talking about not having
a timeframe, not being any rush, and saying that he's
stopping and starting and it's taking him basically a day
twenty four hours, give or take to do one frame
of the film. I got Georgia math and I live
in North Carolina, which is not much better. So if
you extrapolate that out basically one frame per day, say
there was nine hundred frames, let's just give it a
nice round number of three years, it's going to take
him to finish this process. So this person sent me
a message and said, do you think it's possible that
this whole thing of him restoring quote unquote restoring the
film is just a ruse to get his name out
there and to become something else in Bigfoot? He said,
specifically to perpetuate his Gatewood's idea that Bigfoot is quote
a people right, very similar to the first guy I
was actually talking about, which gate Would actually took a
shot at on his Facebook recently, which I thought was weird,
But okay, I digress. He said, basically, in a nutshell,
do you think this guy is just saying, Hey, I'm
going to restore the Patterson Gimlan film and make this
documentary and it may never happen, or it may happen
ten years from now, but in the meantime, he's selling merchandise.
He's claiming that he's donating the proceeds to the Koopa
Youth some kind of scholarship or something, which, if he
is cool, kudos to him, great. I can't doubt that.
I'll take him at his word for that. But he's
got a YouTube channel that he also says he's donating
the proceeds too as well. It brings a lot of
questions to me. If this isn't a ruse and he's
actually working on this and he's going to put this
out eventually, okay, but what's the real endgame here? Is
it a ruse? Is he just using that to gain
followers on YouTube and to make money on merchandise sales
and all these things. At this point, he's been around
for at least a year right that I'm aware of,
maybe even longer, but I became aware of him basically
a year ago. So does he have three hundred frames done?
If so, why can't we see at least one more
frame that's completely restored. It makes me wonder if there
is anymore that's restored, or if this is all a ruse.
What do you think about the whole Gatewood PG film restoration? Steve?
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Speaker 3: Every bit of that is news to me, and it's
definitely interesting. I don't agree with what he's doing. I
definitely think there are other motives behind this. It didn't
hit me until you said it. Why is it just
that one frame? Is it possible to own just a
single frame of a film? Is it possible that he
somehow owns that one frame.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he owns it. I think it
is the easiest frame to use because we talked a
little bit about it. I think we touched on it
a couple of episodes back when we were talking about him.
Is that it's public domain at this point three point
fifty two is almost like that one frame, or it's
like the Supruder film when it comes to the JFK assassination.
It's been out there for so long, it's just public record.
At this point. It would be physically impossible for anybody
who holds the trademark or the copyright or frame three
fifty two, or basically any frame of the Patterson Gimlin
film at this point to say you can't use that
because frame three fifty two. I've got it hanging on
my wall in three different places, right, It's almost impossible
to do that. So, yes, he could take frame three
fifty two and do whatever he wants to it and
put it out there and put his name on it,
whatever he wants to do. Nobody's gonna challenge him on that.
We're all gonna look at him and say, that's pretty
fucked up, dude, it's not yours. You didn't film it,
so get your name off of it. But at the
same time, that would explain why he used three fifty
two and that's the only frame that we've seen. I
don't know. I challenge him to put something else out there, ma'am.
I am starting to question if he's even doing anything
or if it's just all gonna be. Now, I'm gonna
be a YouTuber and do these interviews and just perpetuate
this for the next five years until I've got one
hundred thousand subscribers and I'm making ten thousand dollars a
month on my YouTube channel with not to know what
you guys think. If you think I'm wrong, send us
an email Brian and or Wane at Pirandoworldproductions dot com.
We're gonna move on the meat and potatoes. I know
you're on a tight schedule today, so I'm going to
get into this and stop bitching. Okay. I think it
was the link to Squatch DTV. They had a live
a couple of days ago. It was Steve and I
think it's Chris, his co host. If it's not, I apologize.
It said something. The headline on the thumbnail was major
breakthrough or game changer in audio for bigfoot research or something.
So I clicked the video. It was an hour and
ten minutes, which is if you watch a DTV with
Chris and Steve, you know that's a short show for them.
It's usually two and a half three hours. But they
did a short hour and ten minute show on this
in a nutshell, Steve was talking about using AI technology
to do investigation basically audio forensic reports on audio, particularly
bigfoot audio in this case, and he never mentioned through
the whole video. I scrub through the video and tried
to pick up as much as I could as far
as highlights, but I didn't hear him mention. So I
reached out to Steve. I sent him a text message
and said, hey, man, I just watched this video. I'm
curious about what you're using, and I'm not going to
put it out there because I have some concerns. Right,
I'm not going to tell you what he's using because
I want to have this discussion with you first, and
I'm gonna do some thinking, right, and there's reasons for it.
But he texted me back really quickly and said, yeah, man,
this is what I'm using. I'm using this paid version.
Guess what. I happened to use that myself, so I
already had it, so it's very easy for me to
just go, oh shit, I can just plug and play. Here.
I can put in some audio. First thing I did
was put in the owl audio that you and I
heard in real time and that I captured on recording
at the Ozart Mountain Bigfoot Conference camp out last year,
because that sounded like a bart owl. Everybody I've played
it for said bart owl. We'll get into that analysis
for that a little bit later on but Steve, he
texted me, he said, look, I've got a lot to
tell you, so can you call me? Sure I had
something to do, so I called him about an hour later.
We spent almost an hour on the phone. He went
through the prompts. He told me how he did what
he did, how he got the results that he got,
and basically he put a couple of things through there.
There was a whoop that they had caught in their
research area, and basically this thing told him exactly what
they recorded it with, how far away from the microphone
it was, how many hurts it is it compared it
to known fauna in that area. It's an amazing tool,
at least on the surface. Right. I ended up calling
Steve up, got on the phone with him. He went
right into his analysis, breaking down He's an open book man.
He has nothing to hide. He'll tell you whatever he uses,
unless it's something he needs to keep, something proprietary or something.
But in general he'll tell you what he does because
he's got nothing to hide. So he starts breaking this
down for me. And I'm very familiar with that program
because I use it to do show notes and things
like that. For the show I use AI to create images.
Obviously you got to see those thumbnails on each individual
episode eight those in AI, so I'm pretty familiar with
what he's using. So I started doing results as I
was talking on the phone, I was dragging and dropping things,
and I was getting these weird results, and I was like, Okay,
everybody's told me this is a bard owl. When I
put that in there, it compared it to bard owls
in the Ozarks, and this program said that it was
most likely primate, non human primate, not a bard owl.
So I immediately questioned Steve. I said, look, dude, I
played it for Steve and he said, yeah, that sounds
very owl. It sounds like a bard owl. Now, that
clip was about thirty seconds or so. I dropped it
in there and it came back not owl, not coyote,
not any known fauna, most likely not human, but some
sort of possible non human primate. Right. So I told
Steve that, and I said, look, dude, I'm a little
concerned about this because he said, the first mistake you
made is you got to cut the clips from three
to five seconds, because this program only listens to the
first three to five five seconds of any clip. If
you shorten them, you get a better result because it
can hone in on exactly what you want to analyze.
So I did that, got a different result, a little different.
So we went through this conversation and I said, look, dude,
I'm Devil's advocate. I love a good tool. I think
AI has really fucked the bigfoot community. As far as images,
we talked about that. I think on the last podcast
it gets better and better with the videos. You can
animate these images now and you get AI videos that
some of them are pretty convincing. So if AI can
help us, and I say us as researchers or investigators
looking into this, we get sent evidence. If you can
drop it into something like that and get something that's
going to help you determine if it's legitimate or not,
I'm all for it. Here's the problem I have, and
this is what I want to have a conversation with
you about. AI is wrong. And I say that because
if you use AI programs, it'll tell you make sure
you check the work because this program makes mistakes. It's
not a one hundred percent accurate all the time, and
that could just be crafting show notes, right. You got
to check spelling, you got to check the information. So
I told Steve, I said, look, dude, just in one clip,
I've gotten a couple of different things out of this.
And he said, yeah, that happens. You got to shorten
the clips, you got to go into it, and you
got to change the prompts. Sometimes analyzing one clip of
five seconds of audio takes me an hour to get
the correct result, or what I think is the correct result.
I see your face. That's what my face was doing.
I just said, look, dude, I think this is fantastic.
I'm going to use it because I have access to
some of the Sierra sounds that nobody's ever heard, and
I want to run those through there and see what
it says. And oh, by the way, he said he
had put in a couple of clips from the Sierra
Sounds and gotten some results that basically it wasn't human
or it didn't appear to be human. And he even
went into detail about specifically the Sierra Sounds clip that
he used. He said, this program told him, based on
his prompts that in one clip, whatever was making the
vocalizations was stationary, and then another clip that he put
in it was different sounds. Whatever was making the sounds
was actually moving from right to left. I don't remember
exactly what Steve said, but Steve was very deliberate in
saying exactly what it said. It was left or right
to left, So it'll even tell you if something stationary
or if it's moving. After I talked to Steve yesterday,
I decided to go do a whoop or something myself.
I knew about how far away I put the recorder
from where I was doing the test. I put the
clip in. It told me that it was about thirty
feet away. No, it was probably closer to one hundred
and fifty two hundred feet away. Is that a big deal?
Maybe not? But seventy feet and I'm guestimating here. I
didn't measure it out. I wasn't scientific. I didn't do
a fucking double blind audio study. I just walked it
off and visualized about how far I thought it was
away from where I was doing this test, and I
got this result that said it was most likely thirty
feet away. I think the owl clip that I put
in from the ozarks said that whatever that was about
twenty five to thirty feet away from me didn't make
any sense to me. I said all that to say.
I said, look, Steve, I think this is a great tool,
and a lot of people follow your channel, a lot
of people listen to us. So I'm not going to
be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of this
is the greatest thing ever. Because here was my concern
for Steve and my concern to you. I don't want
to put something like that out there. And it'll do
video too. I think he did the Independence Day video.
I didn't see what the result was from that. I
wasn't really interested. I don't really care. But he does
video as well. It'll tell you if it's AI, it'll
tell you if it's CGI, it'll tell you if it's
been altered. It'll give you all these things, which is
a great tool. Again, but it can't tell you if
something's a bigfoot. It will not say this vocalization that
you put in here is a bigfoot. It won't tell
you that the video that you put in is a Sasquatch.
It's not going to do that. So I said to Steve,
I think we got to be careful here, dude, because
what's going to happen is people are to produce evidence
and somebody's gonna take it and stick it in this
AI program and immediately come back and say you're a hoaxer.
You're putting stuff out there that's not real because AI
said so, And I think that's a slippery slope.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: I think we really have to be careful here, because
if I can put one clip in and get four
different results, that's a problem. And I'm good with the program.
So if I gave it to you and you'd never
seen the program and I said, put in some prompts
and tell me what this thing thinks, there's no telling.
It might come back and say it was a crane
or something flying over when it might actually be a bigfoot.
So we got to be careful here. Man. I'm not
even gonna say on the air what the program is
because I don't want people to automatically go out and start,
oh yeah, I put the Sierra Sounds in that yesterday
and it told me it was a dude. Okay, there
you go. I think it's going to open a can
of worms. So how do you feel about using AI
technology to look into things like that? And what do
you see the pitfalls?
Speaker 3: I don't feel good about it anymore. Appreciate that I
was excited. I thought that this could be pretty cool.
Quick question to you, your whoop test that you did
that said that it was closer than actually was. What
did it say? Did it say it was human or what.
Speaker 2: Said it was possibly non human?
Speaker 3: Primate said that you were possibly yeah, and we got
to throw it all out. I don't know, because you
gotta be careful. And I know Steve I like the
shit out of him. Great guy, He's been on my show.
He even mentioned, you got to do it this way.
It might take me an hour to do one five
second thing to get it to produce what I think
it is. Is it what you think it is or
what you want it to be? Because he also in
that video broke down MK Davis a wood talker something
like that. Did you see that part? He said that
came back as most likely human if I remember correctly.
Is it because you have a problem with MK Davis
that it came back most likely human and the one
that you record or the person that you know recorded
the whoop came back most likely on human prime And
I'm not accusing of that. I'm just from what you
just told me, it seems like that's possible, and.
Speaker 2: I think it's less because we had that conversation, and
I said, I wanted to make sure he was okay
with me talking about our conversation publicly, and he said
that by all means, I get what you're saying. I
want to clarify here. I don't think Steve is searching
for what he believes this is. He's very specific and
I wasn't looking for anything. I'm trying to do these
prompts as best he can to get a result that's fair.
I guess is a better way to put that. So
if I said that the wrong way the first time,
let me clarify now and say that's what he's trying
to do, because that's what I tried to do yesterday.
I wasn't trying to get it to say one thing
or the other. This program you have to be very
specifical with the prompts to get a result that makes sense.
And Steve said, look, you got to rely on your
gut in some cases, because what happens is this thing's
not going to say this is a bigfoot. Now. It
may come out and say it's most likely this. So
that's what he does. If you saw those results, I
think you put one of the results up for the
whoop that they recorded, I think potentially human was like
seven to ten percent, and most likely non human primate
was like seventy percent. That's the conversation that Steve and
I had. I said, Look, I don't have a problem
with somebody using a tool that's giving you an average
like that if it breaks it down like that, and
it clearly does. He got that forensic print out. It
said this is probably seventy percent likely to be a
non human primate. Okay, if you're listening to the Ohio Howe,
I think most of us think that's real. I know
there are people out there who think it's an air
raid siren or something mechanical. I personally believe that's real
because I've heard something very similar to that in real
life here on our property. So if you put the
Ohio Howel in there, if ninety percent of the communities, yeah,
that's pretty much what we believe. It's real because we've
heard it. And you get a result that says it's
eighty percent likely that this is a non human primate
and it's ten percent likely that it's a this or
it's seven percent likely it's a human. Would you take
those results and say Yeah, that pretty much confirms what
I was already thinking. So in that sense, I think
this is a good tool to use because if you
use it that way, and you use that breakdown to
say this is most likely real, or this is most
likely a bigfoot. But most people won't do that. If
they get a seventy percent, they're gonna say one hundred
percent that is real. This says it's real or it's
the opposite. If you record a piece of audio, you
could see a bigfoot vocalizing when you're doing it. You
could see it happening. You could record it and then
put it into this AI program and it may tell
you that you're full of shit and it's most likely
a human being and you know it's not. Where do
you go from there? Yeah, I think it's a very
slippery slope. I think we have to be very careful now.
Certainly if you put in an image. I haven't tried
an image yet. That's the next step. When I get
time to do that, I'm going to try some images
and things that I believe or CGI. I'm going to
start with those that Todd has had on his channel
in the past that we clearly know is AI, and
just see what it says as far as a forensic
analysis of whether this was generated by artificial intelligence or not.
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Speaker 2: See it's a great tool for things like that. If
that confirms it with an eighty percent probability that this
is created by artificial intelligence, Okay, I'm good. Again, We're
not trying to prove one thing or the other as
far as evidence using that, So I think it's something
we have to be very careful of. Again, love Steve
to death. We're not accusing Steve of anything. He's a
stand up guy. He has nothing to hide. We're not
saying that he's creating any kind of evidence or trying
to drill into finding a result that is more favorable
to what he already believed. But I'm just saying we
have to be careful, folks, because he is a seasoned investigator.
He has investigated all kinds of cases in his real job,
in real life and in Bigfoot. So he uses a
lot of tools. And a tool is just that you
can use a hammer to hammer a nail, but you
got to hit the nail on the head. If you
hit beside the nails not going to go in. The
tool is only as good as the person using it,
So yeah, it can be used in a nefarious way.
If I were somebody who wanted to really prove that
somebody was wrong. I you running some of the talking
audio from Mike Patterson that I believe is Dwayne through
this and it comes out and tells me that it's
ninety percent likely a human being. I'm going to be
okay with that result. But it doesn't necessarily make it right.
I've said it before on the show. Just because you
can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should. So I'm
just saying to people out there, if you have an
inclination to do this and run it through some of
your AI software, just take it with a grain of
salt and keep those things in mind that it's not
one hundred percent accurate all the time. It is still
something that is in the process of being developed. It's
in being improved daily. You can see it. Look at
AI a year ago and then look at AI today
and see the difference in where we are versus then.
I think it's the same way with this. If used appropriately,
I think it's a great tool. I'm just concerned that
it's going to lead to more dissension amongst the already
tumultuous thing that we've got going on in the bigfoot
community already. It's just another tool that people now can
use to say, Aha, I got you. You're a faker,
you're a hoaxer. But what about all these investigators that
are just going out there and putting recorders out and
getting audio and putting it out there for people to say,
I didn't create this, I just recorded it. Now, are
we going to run it through AI software and if
it comes back that it's seventy percent likely that it's
a human being? Do you just dismiss the evidence and say, yeah,
it's probably not a recording of a bigfoot, it's probably
somebody in their backyard screaming or doing whatever. Okay, that's fine,
But do we now demonize this person as a hoaxer
for putting that out. That's the problem I have with it.
Speaker 3: You just took my talking point from it. That's what
I was gonna say. People that are on the up
and up and never been questioned and have a good
reputation that records something that they did not do, and
they put it out for everyone to listen to, and
some Yahoo runs it through this software as many times
as that they need to come back as most likely human,
and then people start shitting on that person. It's dangerous. Man.
I was off for it at first, but since we've
been talking about it, I'm a little bit worried.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still a tool I'm gonna use again.
Just be careful, folks, use the tools. I love technology.
I think it's fantastic. It can make our lives easier,
but it can also destroy people when it's not necessary,
when it's not even warranted. So be careful. That's all
I'm saying. But enough of that. Wayne, as always my friend,
you get the last word on the show.
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