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Speaker 1: Welcome to that Bigfoot podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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well we're not sorry. We talk a lot and we

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense, and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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strongly advised.

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Speaker 2: Wayne, what's going on man?

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Speaker 3: Raw?

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy?

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm hanging in. What's been going on with you? Man?

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Speaker 3: Not a whole heck of a lot. They working on

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some stuff behind the scenes. Announcement coming up soon. I

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can't really talk about it right now other than that

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just eliving the dad lost looking for Bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: Ooh the mysterious. Can't talk about it right now. It

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sounds like my nda. This is preventing me from talking

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about my encounters. That is actually going to change very soon.

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I'm going to be able to talk about it down

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at the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference in Okalla, Florida, coming

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up here on April fifth, So if you guys are

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in the area, if you've got your tickets, I'm looking

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forward to doing that. I try to change up the

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presentation when I do these speaking gigs. The first few

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I did, I try to keep them pretty simple and

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kind of introduction to myself because not everybody knows who

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I am. Obviously, not everybody listens to Bigfoot Podcast, and

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if you don't listen to Bigfoot podcast or read Bigfoot books,

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you probably have no clue who I am. So I

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try to keep it to that. But now I'm updating

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that to include talking about those encounters for the very

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first time on stage down in Florida. Mariah Mayer is

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going to be there. Biko Wright, the new cast member

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from Expedition Bigfoot. I saw Biko for the first time

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on the show alone. I don't know if you've ever

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watched that show where they drop these folks out in

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the middle of freaking nowhere. Yeah, it's a Bicoh yeah wow.

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Speaker 3: I knew he looked familiar. I knew I'd seen him somewhere.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. I had no clue either until I saw

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his face. He's going to be at the Great Florida

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Bigfoot Conference, and I was like, who the fuck is Beaco, right?

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So I googled him in the first thing that popped up.

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I was like, oh shit, we saw his episodes on

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a loan. We watched that season. So he's going to

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be there. Charlie Raymond's going to be there. They're going

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to have a skunk Ape brown table with a bunch

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of investigators from down in Florida talking about the skunk Ape.

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Speaker 3: That's including a member of Manimal Research, mister David Degan.

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Speaker 2: Yep, David's going to be down there. I'm looking forward

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to meeting him in person. There's going to be a

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ton of other people there. They're going to have the

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encounter's portion, obviously, but I'm most excited about being able

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to get this off of my chest and tell my

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stories for the very first time, get to do that

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on stage. And actually, I got a trailer for the

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My Bigfoot Life documentary if we sent over to me,

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they put one together specifically for me to show down

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in Florida. So we're going to show a little bit

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of footage from that get people interested in the documentary

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that'll hopefully be out here in the next month or so.

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Once I do that on stage down in Florida, the

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cat is out of the proverbial bag. So we're going

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to set up something maybe for you to step in

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as the new host of Sasquatch Odssey. Fred can do it.

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I think you can probably handle it. So we're going

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to have you over there. If you read the Apple reviews,

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people are congratulating Fred on being the host of my show.

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But we'll make you and Tiffany the honorary host of

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Sasquatch Odyssey, and I'll do a live and put that

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out for everybody over here at some point in time

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on YouTube. Once I get back from Florida. We'll figure

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all that logistics stuff out. But i'll tell you man

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beyond that we're starting a brand new show. I want

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to plug that in the beginning here because I really

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don't talk about that stuff much. But Danny and I

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have decided to launch a new true crime podcast. We're

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calling it The Guilty Files. I think we're taking a

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unique take on this. We've talked a little bit about

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it over here, but I'm talking about it now because

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as we record this today is Wednesday. I actually put

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the Guilty Files podcast yesterday. It was just a ten

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minute introduction of Danny and I breaking down what the

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show's going to be about, because it is a little

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confusing for people because it is something that I've never

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seen anybody do in true crime. We're doing a case

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a week, but there's going to be three episodes. The

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the way I've always done true crime. Then Danny comes

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in on Wednesdays. He's going to take what I've done

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with the case file and he calls it a rewrit

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you rewriting true crime? But he's taking little pieces of

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the psychology, the sociology behind these crimes, and he's doing

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this unique take where he's writing in Sometimes it's fictional characters,

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like a rookie cop for example. Right, Jeffrey Dahmer is

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one of the first cases that we're covering in the

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first three that we're going to release. There was that

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incident where Jeffrey Dahmer had this fourteen year old kid,

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in his apartment and he had created a zombie out

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of this kid. He had drilled into his head and

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put this acid in his brain to try to create

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a living zombie. And this kid escaped out of Dahmer's

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apartment and got down to the street. There were some

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ladies that saw him. He was naked in the street,

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fourteen years old. They called the police. The police come out.

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Jeffrey Dahmer comes back from the store while the police

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are questioning this kid. Oh, it's just my nineteen year

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old lover. We got into a fight. I'm going to

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take him back upstairs and take care of him. He'll

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be okay. Police turn him back over. So Danny does

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this really cool thing where he imagined a rookie cop,

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a rookie female cop who comes into that environment in

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that scene and answers that call with a more seasoned

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police officer. She sees some things that he wasn't picking

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up on. She pushes the issue. They end up taking

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this kid back to the police station, saving his life.

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Jeffrey Dahmer gets arrested right there, and then all the

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people that subsequently died as a result of Jeffrey Dahmer's

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actions never happened. So those are the kind of things

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he does to reimagine the case or rewrite the case.

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people will be into that, some people want And then

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out the case because we don't agree on everything. Obviously,

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we have disagreements about the way things went. We're covering

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the staircase murder that happened here in Raleigh, North Carolina,

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several years back with Michael Peterson, very well known case,

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big time documentary done on Netflix covering that case. So

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we're doing the co hosted episode on Friday. So we've

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been working on that. We're launching the first nine episodes

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are going to drop on April first. They're set to

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go out at midnight on April first. So if you

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guys are into true crime, head over and check out

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the Guilty Files podcast anywhere you're listening to us right now,

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Enough of the shameless plugs behind that, man, I've really

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been struggling these last couple of days to a few

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weeks really just about the state of the Bigfoot phenomenon,

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the Bigfoot community. I'd send some things to you and Tiffany.

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A couple of days days ago. I get these notifications

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on Facebook, and I'm just gonna be honest with you.

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I've had social media for years. I don't know how

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long Facebook's been around. I don't know how long MySpace

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was around before Facebook, but I had a MySpace and

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then I've migrated to Facebook. We have Instagram, TikTok, we

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have all the socials. But it's because of our work.

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It's because of the job, right, It's because of the

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shows that we do. They're almost a necessary evil for

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us to get the word out for people to say, hey,

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we're doing this thing, come take a look at her.

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see these notifications. And I got a notification because I'm

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in the Coalition for Critical Thinking and Bigfoot Research group

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on Facebook, and I got a notification of a I

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think it was Steven Stroyford who posted a video. And

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I'm not going to name names here. I'm not trying

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to shame anybody. I'm just giving you some examples of

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a fairly well known bigfoot researcher, at least to us

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here on the East Coast. I'll say, who's doing an interview?

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during the interview that he's slurring his words, and it

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was just a negative thing that they were putting out

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about this person. So I click on it. I scrub

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through the video and yeah, I don't know if you

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had a fucking stroke. I don't know. Maybe he just

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came back from the dentist. But he did sound a

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little off. Let's just put it that way. He's a

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little off interviewed.

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Speaker 2: But even after that, dude, I started getting these notifications

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from somebody else that I know in the Bigfoot community saying, hey,

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does anybody know why this particular person blocked me on Facebook?

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the same person, and this person's posting asking why would

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he do this or why would he say that? And

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then people start going off and saying what a horrible

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person is and giving some interactions they had with him.

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that I trust in the Bigfoot community and tell me

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negative things about this person in the past. But I

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don't get into that. I don't get into the drama.

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I try to stay above and beyond block the drama

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out because I don't need that in my life. That's

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not why I do what I do. Just sent me

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down this rabbit hole of Facebook in Bigfoot in the

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community seems to be like a bunch of high school

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students going back and forth at each other. We've had

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this conversation about some of the other groups and this

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infighting that's going on with people on YouTube right They're

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calling each other out and doing videos and telling they're

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going to kick people's ass. It really started to drag

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that I've seen at a conference, and I'm just like,

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why aren't we talking about Bigfoot, dude, Why are we

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not talking about the subject the phenomenon. Why are we

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not doing anything other than what we're doing. Because the

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first thing that you and Tiffany, I think tiff was

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the first person to respond back these videos of somebody

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that's in the middle of an interview you as a

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guest on another podcast that's allegedly drunk and slurring as

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words makes us look bad. Let's face it. If that's

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the first video that anybody types in the word bigfoot

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and they're searching on YouTube and that interview comes up,

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and that is the case for this person, what are

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they going to think. First impressions are everything. The first

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impression is the only impression, frankly, and it just makes

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us look bad. It Tiff put it like, it makes

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us all look like drunk rednecks out in the woods,

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beaten on trees looking for Bigfoot. Everybody makes mistakes, everybody

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has hard times. We've all had a drink. Dear in

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a live right present company is not excluded. I don't

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live in a glass house, but I think we have

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to be more honest with what's going on and start

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to maybe police ourselves a little bit better amongst the

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folks that are in the community and care about it,

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because some of these people are dragging us down. As

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far as I'm concerned, there's a couple of other things

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on my list I want to get to that help

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perpetuate that. But how did you feel about that again?

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asshole here. You have no idea what's going on in

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people's lives. They're human, right, everybody's a human being. Somebody

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might have just died. He might have just lost a

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dog or a family member or something, and that. There's

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plenty of other explanations that could go into the totality

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of this. But if you're just looking at a narrow

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in the coalition group, how did you feel about that,

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and how do you feel about all of those things,

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just in general what's going on in the community.

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Speaker 3: I do know the person you're talking about. I know

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him pretty well. Who're not best friends or anything like that,

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But if I saw him out, I would definitely have

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a beer with him. I've always known him to be

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a pretty decent guy. And it really surprised me when

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you send it to me. I clicked on it. I'll

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be honest, I only watched a few minutes because it

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was embarrassing to me. It's one of those things where

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you just cringe a little bit. Damn, I can't believe

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that's happening, And I just couldn't watch anymore, so I

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just turned it off and I had a three year

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old pulling on me to go play hide and seek.

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I can't agree with you more with the whole state

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of the Bigfoot address that we're having right now. You're

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exactly right. It's like a high school. That's what it

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feels like when I started Minimal back in twenty nineteen.

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That's why I started my own organization because I didn't

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want to be a part I've said that from day one.

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I have said that I didn't want to be a

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part of these organizations that slander each other and talk

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shit about each other. It's all just a big fight.

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And I feel like Brian with the Bigfoot community, it

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a three letter word. It's ego. We all have a

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little bit of an ego. Some have much more than others.

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I think we can agree on that, and I think

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when those clash, it gets ugly. I also know people

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in the paranormal feel what I see over there. And

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I'm not investigator anything, but I do know a lot

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of them, had them on the show many times, and

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what I see over there, and I have talked to

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several people in that genre, it's not really the name

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calling and all that stuff over there. It's like a

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big ass orgy. It's like in all you can fuck

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buffet over there. It's crazy. It's like people get into

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it just to hook up. It's insane. I think I

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would much rather be in my Bigfoot camp than over

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in that one. But man, you're exactly right. I don't

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know if there's anything that can be done about it.

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Speaker 2: I agree, man, And you just told me something I

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didn't know about the paranormal research world. That's very interesting.

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That's maybe a rabbit hole I'll go down at some

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point in time.

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Speaker 3: And again, just like the Bigfoot stuff, it's not everyone.

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It is not everyone, but it is out there.

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Speaker 2: There's so much stuff that's out there, and there's so

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many things that we could be talking about. Right, There's

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so many things that in my mind I want to

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scream at to the rafters and say, why aren't you

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paying attention to this? Again, I'm not gonna call anybody

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by name, because this person is very legigious and likes

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to get in people's space and has quote unquote, what

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I've been told, goons that come after people. There's somebody

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that's very big in the Bigfoot community. That, in my opinion,

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takes advantage of misdirection and mystery surrounding the topic that

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he talks about. But this guy's got a shady past,

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and it's in the public record. This guy had some

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problems in the past that anybody can go look at

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if you're interested in it. Just go to the Coalition

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for Critical Thinking and Bigfoot Research group on Facebook and

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you can go down the rabbit hole and read everything

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that's published in these newspapers. It's all public record. But

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yet there are so many people who follow this guy

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and believe everything he says, hook line and sinker. And

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let me tell you, it's not just the one subject

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he talks about. He gets deep into some weird shit

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with Patty being a human being or a type of

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human and all these things. Right, nobody cares. There were

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even people in the Coalition group when this one person

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was talking about this particular individual and his problems with

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the law legally.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

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be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 2: With an arrest warrant and having issues at his job

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because of what he had done at this time nothing

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to do with Bigfoot. This is before the bigfoot stuff.

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There were people in the coalition group defending him. Hey,

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have you never done anything wrong? Did you never steal

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candy when you were a kid? Have you ever told

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anybody a lie? And it was the only thing I

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responded to in that thread and said, I think this

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is different because this person, when they had their issues,

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was an active duty police officer who was under investigation

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and was arrested for their crime. Okay, now fast forward.

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I used to be a police officer. I wrote two

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books on bigfoot. I've collected bigfoot evidence in multiple places

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on my property other places. I've seen things, documented things. Now,

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if you were to discover today, Wayne, if you googled

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Brian king Sharp Atlanta Police Department and you saw my

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fucking mugshot that I was arrested because I was defrauding

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people while I was a police officer, would you think twice,

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even as well as you know me and the time

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that you've spent with me and the things that you

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know that nobody else knows about me, would you be

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hesitant to then say, Wow, that's weird, man, I never

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thought that about this person. But would you at least

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look into it and say, maybe there's a reason to

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question when Brian says something. His integrity was called into

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question back then, and it's a proven fact in public

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record that his integrity is not as intact as Brian

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claims it to be. And by the way, I challenge

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anybody listening google my name Atlanta Police officer, Atlanta Police Department.

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You're probably going to see three pages that comes up

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on Google. But let me tell you what. None of

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them are me being arrested. None of them are from

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me being one to commit fraud. I didn't have any

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illegal issues when I was a police officer. Now, my

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recruit picture, they'll probably pop up. I looked like a criminal,

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and that looked like a mug shot. It's just the

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picture that they took right before I went into the academy.

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I joke, but it's a serious matter in my opinion,

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that somebody can go out and sell a million books

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and do multiple documentaries and tout the fact that they

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were in law enforcement for however many years, and yet

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this is out there in public record that nobody looks into.

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Even if you bring it up to people. It's like

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the next guy I'm going to talk about here for

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a few minutes. It's like Mike Patterson. No matter how

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many times that hoax has been exposed, there's hundreds of

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thousands of people that subscribe and eat it up hook

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line and sinker. So it's just one more thing. And

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you obviously know exactly who I'm talking about. Again, I

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don't want to get deep in the weeds because I

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don't want to get fucking sued, because this dude is clearlyigious.

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What do you think about that? Don't you think there

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are things that we should be looking at other than

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worrying about who unfollowed us or blocked us on Facebook

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or who might be slurring their words in a fucking

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interview about Bigfoot?

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Speaker 3: You're exactly right as well as I know you consider

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your brother. If I saw something like that, it would

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shock me and I would go and investigate it. If

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you say that, you wouldn't you're a liar in my opinion,

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and everything that you had done, everything that I know

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of you to have done up until this point, I

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would question. I think that's only human. I'm pretty sure

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I know who you're talking about with that, because I

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just found out about it the other day when you

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told me. If I'm talking about the same person and

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it shocked me that this dude has the fucking audacity

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to do what he now does after everything that he

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was involved with prior. It's shocking to me. But you

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are a thousand percent right. That's the stuff we should

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be worried about, not what some other researcher from Indiana

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called another researcher from California. It's just petty little shit.

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There's more important stuff going on.

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Speaker 2: I know things happen in people's past. I'm not saying

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you can't change. I've done things in the past that

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I wish I could change right, maybe not get arrested,

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but there's other things that I wish i'd done differently,

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treated people differently, whatever the case may be. But by

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and large, I have any skeletons in my closet. I'm

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pretty much an open book. If you want to ask

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me something, ask me, and I'm going to tell you

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the truth. But I think it just goes further and

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shows how gullible a lot of people in Bigfoot seem

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to be. They just latch onto these people that they

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hold up on these pedestals, and even if you look

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them in the face and say this happened, this guy

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was arrested for fraud while he was an active duty

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police officer. If that doesn't give you pause to go,

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WHOA wait, what fraud is lying seeing people? If you

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look up fraud, I haven't looked it up by definition,

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but I'm sure the word deceiving or lying by definition.

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You have to lie to somebody to defraud them. If

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I go Wane, I've got a car to sell you.

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It's only five hundred bucks. Wire me the money and

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I'll send it to you on a record up in Tennessee.

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If you send me five hundred dollars and I don't

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send you the car, I've just defrauded you out of

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five hundred dollars because I lied to you and said

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I was going to send you the car when you

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paid me, and I didn't. It's that simple. So if

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you're going to then go out and stake what you're

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doing on your reputation as this police officer. Because I

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be honest, people have accused me of it in the past,

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so I can speak personally. People have accused me so

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many times of talking about my law enforcement career on

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Sasquatch Odyssey and as a guest on another podcast to

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somehow build me up as a more honest person, so

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people believe what I say or believe my evidence. I

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just talk about it because it's a part of my life,

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it's my job. It would be no different if I

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were an electrician or if I worked at Walmart. That's

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just what I did for sixteen years of my life.

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If people take that and say, yeah, Brian was a cop,

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people like it in true crime they say, hey, I

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like the fact that you were a police officer. Gives

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a different angle to looking at these cases. I have

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experience that I can talk about. I'm a trained investigator.

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I'm a trained interviewer. I was trained in interrogation to

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interview people to determine if they're telling me the truth

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or not. That's as far as it goes, though, but

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it does speak to the fact that if you're building

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your career and this person has basically built the career

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on the fact that I was in law enforcement for

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X amount of years, I have all this expertise and investigations,

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and I'm going to apply that into these investigations and

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then put it out there for the world to see. Okay,

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if that's in your past, I think you need to

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be looked at. It's the same thing with Mike Patterson.

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I had somebody reach out to me probably six months

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eight months ago and say, hey, I think you'd be

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a great guest on Coast to Coast AM. I think

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it would be fantastic. I love your show. I think

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you're very well spoken. I'm gonna connect you to this

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person who can connect you to this person, and hopefully

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they'll invite you on Coast to Coast Nine months later,

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still no appearance on Coast to Coast AM. Who was

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on there just a few days ago, Mike Patterson from Sasquatch, Ontario.

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Speaker 3: Are you fucking serious?

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Speaker 2: Mike Patterson was on Coast to Coast AM and here's

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what it says about his biography.

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Speaker 3: Oh I want to fucking break shit right now. That's

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how pissed off I am.

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Speaker 2: But go ahead, don't break y'all. That stuff's very expensive

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in that bigfoot bungalow hole of yours. Here's Mike Patterson's

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biography on his Coast to Coast AM interview from just

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a few days ago. One of the most controversial Bigfoot researchers,

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Mike Patterson, has perhaps the most well documented video, audio,

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and even drawings by group family of Sasquatch that he's

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befriended in a remote, undisclosed area of Canada. His interest

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in Sasquatch began in two thousand and eight when he

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was in the woods photographing wildlife and nature. He had

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an epiphany to search for the harry folk, who most

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call Bigfoot or Sasquatch. Their existence was shown to him

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early in life with a childhood citing that he had

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that had a traumatizing effect at the time. It's now

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been more than twelve years of searching for answers since

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his initial close Sasquatch vocal encounter on October twenty fifth,

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two thousand and eight. Eight of those years involved personal

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contact experiences that continue to show up in his life,

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giving him incredible insight into their existence and how Sasquatch

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interact with humans. Okay, that's part of the problem with

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what we have going on here in the Bigfoot community, right.

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00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240
I don't fault the folks at Coast to Coast am

476
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,279
for having him on, because you know why, they know

477
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,759
what people are wanting to tune in to listen to.

478
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,759
They don't want to hear about my experiences. They don't

479
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:33,839
want to hear about your experiences. They want to hear

480
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,079
about some fucker that says Bigfoot comes into his house

481
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,440
and takes selfies. They want to hear from somebody who

482
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,799
claims that they gift inside, has vocalizations going on inside,

483
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,279
or they're interdimensional and they show up out of nowhere

484
00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:51,359
and leave footprints in the snow while him and Dwyane

485
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,960
are in the cabin. That's what people want to hear.

486
00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:56,880
And it's not Coast to Coast AM's fault. It's the

487
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,440
Bigfoot community's fault. It's the people that are in this

488
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:04,200
subject that are perpetuating that because that has millions of

489
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,319
listeners across the country. Everybody listens to Coast to Coast AM.

490
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960
It's one of the biggest interviews you can have, in

491
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,440
my opinion, to have anything to do with Bigfoot, the paranormal, UFOs,

492
00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:18,359
you name it. People tune into Coast to Coast for that,

493
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,920
and it's just perpetuating all the bullshit and giving him

494
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,880
validity for the bullshit that he's putting out into the community.

495
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:31,079
That is a known confessed hoax, plain and simple, hands down,

496
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,079
there's no coming back from that. No matter what he

497
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,039
and Dwayne put out there on YouTube from this point

498
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:40,039
forward in perpetuity. It doesn't matter. It's already been admitted

499
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,160
that it was a hoax. End of story. Coast to

500
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,200
Coast AM just put a hoaxer on to talk about Bigfoot.

501
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,920
That's what happened. Probably not going to get that call

502
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,119
to be on Coast to Coast in the future. And

503
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,960
I'm okay with that, you know why, because I'm going

504
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,839
to stand on my principles. I'm going to stand on

505
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,680
what I believe, and that's what I believe.

506
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, it fucking infuriates me.

507
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: You said it all.

508
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what else I can say other than

509
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,240
it's what's wrong with this fucking community. That's what people

510
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,079
want to see. That's what people want to hear. They

511
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,960
want to hear about Bigfoot farting in your living room

512
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,640
and hitting you in the face with the marble and

513
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,559
stealing your cigarettes. They don't want to hear about the

514
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:23,559
people that are spending hours out in the woods, freezing

515
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:26,720
their balls off looking for these things, boots on the

516
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,279
ground and not lying and just reporting what they're finding.

517
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,599
They don't want to hear that stuff. That's boring. But

518
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,119
they want to hear this goober. I don't know, man.

519
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,160
That pisses me off.

520
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: Speaking of weird things, here's another thing that popped up

521
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,400
on my radar. I got a message from somebody a

522
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,400
couple of days ago in Bigfoot that has no love

523
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,440
for Todd Gatewood. You sent me this message, and it

524
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,920
really got my wheels to turn in because if you've

525
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,160
been paying attention to Todd stuff, the last couple of

526
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,759
videos he put out there have been weird. I think

527
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,920
the last one he put out was Bigfoot being recognized

528
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,079
as a person. So I clicked it because I was interested.

529
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,960
And that's just him pontificating about how they've been called

530
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,359
a type of human by Native Americans for years. There's

531
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:16,079
literally no proof, there's nothing new. It's all him saying

532
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,880
that it's clear looking at this face of Patty that

533
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,319
Patty is a human. Okay, if that's what you think,

534
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,440
that's fine. I don't begrudge anybody their opinion. I have mine,

535
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,640
you have yours. They're like assholes, everybody's got one, so

536
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,279
go ahead, run with your opinion. I'm okay with that.

537
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,400
But the person who sent me this message had a

538
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,079
different take on it, and he said to me, I

539
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,799
wish I could take credit for this because it's brilliant.

540
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,160
I can't believe I didn't think about this myself. He said,

541
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,039
look at those last videos. So you go back to

542
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:47,200
the video before that. On Gatewood's YouTube channel, he's talking

543
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,240
about something to do with the film, and he keeps

544
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,799
showing a couple of clips of the film. But the

545
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:55,799
only thing he ever shows that's completely restored air quotes

546
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,839
restored is frame three fifty two. Right, That's the only

547
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,480
that we have seen completely restored, according to what he's

548
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,519
doing in this process. Everything else he'll show, which he

549
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,640
showed a couple of clips of her walking and showing

550
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,680
the bottoms or her feet or something. It's stabilized, its

551
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,359
decent footage. But he'll say this is not restored. This

552
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,079
is not finished. Okay, this person who sent me the

553
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,680
message said he said in that video he's in no rush.

554
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,720
He made it a point to say, hey, I'm not

555
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,400
in a rush to get this done, which is a

556
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,319
pivot because he's been talking about getting this film done.

557
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,440
He's putting out this documentary with the entire all thousand

558
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,720
frames or however many frames are going to be restored,

559
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,519
and we're going to see this altogether in one beautiful

560
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:42,559
video when Todd Gatewood brings it to life for the world.

561
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,039
But in this video he was talking about not having

562
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,160
a timeframe, not being any rush, and saying that he's

563
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,359
stopping and starting and it's taking him basically a day

564
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,880
twenty four hours, give or take to do one frame

565
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,119
of the film. I got Georgia math and I live

566
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,839
in North Carolina, which is not much better. So if

567
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:06,079
you extrapolate that out basically one frame per day, say

568
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,880
there was nine hundred frames, let's just give it a

569
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,200
nice round number of three years, it's going to take

570
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:15,240
him to finish this process. So this person sent me

571
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,119
a message and said, do you think it's possible that

572
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,160
this whole thing of him restoring quote unquote restoring the

573
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,200
film is just a ruse to get his name out

574
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,680
there and to become something else in Bigfoot? He said,

575
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,880
specifically to perpetuate his Gatewood's idea that Bigfoot is quote

576
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960
a people right, very similar to the first guy I

577
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,119
was actually talking about, which gate Would actually took a

578
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,640
shot at on his Facebook recently, which I thought was weird,

579
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,319
But okay, I digress. He said, basically, in a nutshell,

580
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,480
do you think this guy is just saying, Hey, I'm

581
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,079
going to restore the Patterson Gimlan film and make this

582
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,119
documentary and it may never happen, or it may happen

583
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,799
ten years from now, but in the meantime, he's selling merchandise.

584
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:02,559
He's claiming that he's donating the proceeds to the Koopa

585
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,359
Youth some kind of scholarship or something, which, if he

586
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,000
is cool, kudos to him, great. I can't doubt that.

587
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,200
I'll take him at his word for that. But he's

588
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,440
got a YouTube channel that he also says he's donating

589
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,839
the proceeds too as well. It brings a lot of

590
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,079
questions to me. If this isn't a ruse and he's

591
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:21,039
actually working on this and he's going to put this

592
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:26,000
out eventually, okay, but what's the real endgame here? Is

593
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,640
it a ruse? Is he just using that to gain

594
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,200
followers on YouTube and to make money on merchandise sales

595
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,000
and all these things. At this point, he's been around

596
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,119
for at least a year right that I'm aware of,

597
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,279
maybe even longer, but I became aware of him basically

598
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,720
a year ago. So does he have three hundred frames done?

599
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
If so, why can't we see at least one more

600
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:51,079
frame that's completely restored. It makes me wonder if there

601
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,279
is anymore that's restored, or if this is all a ruse.

602
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:59,920
What do you think about the whole Gatewood PG film restoration? Steve?

603
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: Tune for more of that Big Foot podcast. We will

604
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,240
be right back after these messages.

605
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: Every bit of that is news to me, and it's

606
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,680
definitely interesting. I don't agree with what he's doing. I

607
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,920
definitely think there are other motives behind this. It didn't

608
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,359
hit me until you said it. Why is it just

609
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,480
that one frame? Is it possible to own just a

610
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:27,319
single frame of a film? Is it possible that he

611
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,920
somehow owns that one frame.

612
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,279
Speaker 2: I don't think that he owns it. I think it

613
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,440
is the easiest frame to use because we talked a

614
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,039
little bit about it. I think we touched on it

615
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,599
a couple of episodes back when we were talking about him.

616
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,400
Is that it's public domain at this point three point

617
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,119
fifty two is almost like that one frame, or it's

618
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,319
like the Supruder film when it comes to the JFK assassination.

619
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,039
It's been out there for so long, it's just public record.

620
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,839
At this point. It would be physically impossible for anybody

621
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,119
who holds the trademark or the copyright or frame three

622
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,119
fifty two, or basically any frame of the Patterson Gimlin

623
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,119
film at this point to say you can't use that

624
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,960
because frame three fifty two. I've got it hanging on

625
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,839
my wall in three different places, right, It's almost impossible

626
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,799
to do that. So, yes, he could take frame three

627
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:17,799
fifty two and do whatever he wants to it and

628
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:19,319
put it out there and put his name on it,

629
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:21,920
whatever he wants to do. Nobody's gonna challenge him on that.

630
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,880
We're all gonna look at him and say, that's pretty

631
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,680
fucked up, dude, it's not yours. You didn't film it,

632
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,119
so get your name off of it. But at the

633
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:32,640
same time, that would explain why he used three fifty

634
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,440
two and that's the only frame that we've seen. I

635
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,759
don't know. I challenge him to put something else out there, ma'am.

636
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,400
I am starting to question if he's even doing anything

637
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,200
or if it's just all gonna be. Now, I'm gonna

638
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,480
be a YouTuber and do these interviews and just perpetuate

639
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,559
this for the next five years until I've got one

640
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,559
hundred thousand subscribers and I'm making ten thousand dollars a

641
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:52,839
month on my YouTube channel with not to know what

642
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,440
you guys think. If you think I'm wrong, send us

643
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,880
an email Brian and or Wane at Pirandoworldproductions dot com.

644
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,119
We're gonna move on the meat and potatoes. I know

645
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:02,680
you're on a tight schedule today, so I'm going to

646
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,759
get into this and stop bitching. Okay. I think it

647
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,960
was the link to Squatch DTV. They had a live

648
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,920
a couple of days ago. It was Steve and I

649
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,880
think it's Chris, his co host. If it's not, I apologize.

650
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,279
It said something. The headline on the thumbnail was major

651
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:24,400
breakthrough or game changer in audio for bigfoot research or something.

652
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,400
So I clicked the video. It was an hour and

653
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,119
ten minutes, which is if you watch a DTV with

654
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,079
Chris and Steve, you know that's a short show for them.

655
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,000
It's usually two and a half three hours. But they

656
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,480
did a short hour and ten minute show on this

657
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,759
in a nutshell, Steve was talking about using AI technology

658
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:51,759
to do investigation basically audio forensic reports on audio, particularly

659
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,759
bigfoot audio in this case, and he never mentioned through

660
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:56,640
the whole video. I scrub through the video and tried

661
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,039
to pick up as much as I could as far

662
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:00,960
as highlights, but I didn't hear him mention. So I

663
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,920
reached out to Steve. I sent him a text message

664
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,079
and said, hey, man, I just watched this video. I'm

665
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,440
curious about what you're using, and I'm not going to

666
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,599
put it out there because I have some concerns. Right,

667
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:12,079
I'm not going to tell you what he's using because

668
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:13,799
I want to have this discussion with you first, and

669
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,720
I'm gonna do some thinking, right, and there's reasons for it.

670
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,480
But he texted me back really quickly and said, yeah, man,

671
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,759
this is what I'm using. I'm using this paid version.

672
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,680
Guess what. I happened to use that myself, so I

673
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,000
already had it, so it's very easy for me to

674
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,759
just go, oh shit, I can just plug and play. Here.

675
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,079
I can put in some audio. First thing I did

676
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,400
was put in the owl audio that you and I

677
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,599
heard in real time and that I captured on recording

678
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:44,119
at the Ozart Mountain Bigfoot Conference camp out last year,

679
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,039
because that sounded like a bart owl. Everybody I've played

680
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,200
it for said bart owl. We'll get into that analysis

681
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,799
for that a little bit later on but Steve, he

682
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,759
texted me, he said, look, I've got a lot to

683
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,079
tell you, so can you call me? Sure I had

684
00:33:58,079 --> 00:33:59,960
something to do, so I called him about an hour later.

685
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,079
We spent almost an hour on the phone. He went

686
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:05,079
through the prompts. He told me how he did what

687
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,319
he did, how he got the results that he got,

688
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,000
and basically he put a couple of things through there.

689
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:11,920
There was a whoop that they had caught in their

690
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,840
research area, and basically this thing told him exactly what

691
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,000
they recorded it with, how far away from the microphone

692
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,360
it was, how many hurts it is it compared it

693
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,000
to known fauna in that area. It's an amazing tool,

694
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,079
at least on the surface. Right. I ended up calling

695
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:33,559
Steve up, got on the phone with him. He went

696
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,480
right into his analysis, breaking down He's an open book man.

697
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,079
He has nothing to hide. He'll tell you whatever he uses,

698
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,920
unless it's something he needs to keep, something proprietary or something.

699
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,199
But in general he'll tell you what he does because

700
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,440
he's got nothing to hide. So he starts breaking this

701
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,360
down for me. And I'm very familiar with that program

702
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,679
because I use it to do show notes and things

703
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,880
like that. For the show I use AI to create images.

704
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,320
Obviously you got to see those thumbnails on each individual

705
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,559
episode eight those in AI, so I'm pretty familiar with

706
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,480
what he's using. So I started doing results as I

707
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,920
was talking on the phone, I was dragging and dropping things,

708
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880
and I was getting these weird results, and I was like, Okay,

709
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,920
everybody's told me this is a bard owl. When I

710
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,719
put that in there, it compared it to bard owls

711
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,480
in the Ozarks, and this program said that it was

712
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:24,599
most likely primate, non human primate, not a bard owl.

713
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,760
So I immediately questioned Steve. I said, look, dude, I

714
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,559
played it for Steve and he said, yeah, that sounds

715
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,559
very owl. It sounds like a bard owl. Now, that

716
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,079
clip was about thirty seconds or so. I dropped it

717
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:39,920
in there and it came back not owl, not coyote,

718
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:44,639
not any known fauna, most likely not human, but some

719
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:48,400
sort of possible non human primate. Right. So I told

720
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,039
Steve that, and I said, look, dude, I'm a little

721
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:53,119
concerned about this because he said, the first mistake you

722
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:54,960
made is you got to cut the clips from three

723
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,320
to five seconds, because this program only listens to the

724
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,760
first three to five five seconds of any clip. If

725
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,639
you shorten them, you get a better result because it

726
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,800
can hone in on exactly what you want to analyze.

727
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,559
So I did that, got a different result, a little different.

728
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,840
So we went through this conversation and I said, look, dude,

729
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,079
I'm Devil's advocate. I love a good tool. I think

730
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,800
AI has really fucked the bigfoot community. As far as images,

731
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,239
we talked about that. I think on the last podcast

732
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,039
it gets better and better with the videos. You can

733
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,159
animate these images now and you get AI videos that

734
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,079
some of them are pretty convincing. So if AI can

735
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:33,519
help us, and I say us as researchers or investigators

736
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,960
looking into this, we get sent evidence. If you can

737
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:38,280
drop it into something like that and get something that's

738
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,880
going to help you determine if it's legitimate or not,

739
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,079
I'm all for it. Here's the problem I have, and

740
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:45,599
this is what I want to have a conversation with

741
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,920
you about. AI is wrong. And I say that because

742
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,039
if you use AI programs, it'll tell you make sure

743
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:59,639
you check the work because this program makes mistakes. It's

744
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,719
not a one hundred percent accurate all the time, and

745
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,239
that could just be crafting show notes, right. You got

746
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,960
to check spelling, you got to check the information. So

747
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,519
I told Steve, I said, look, dude, just in one clip,

748
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,639
I've gotten a couple of different things out of this.

749
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,159
And he said, yeah, that happens. You got to shorten

750
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:17,800
the clips, you got to go into it, and you

751
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,039
got to change the prompts. Sometimes analyzing one clip of

752
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,519
five seconds of audio takes me an hour to get

753
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,639
the correct result, or what I think is the correct result.

754
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,679
I see your face. That's what my face was doing.

755
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,079
I just said, look, dude, I think this is fantastic.

756
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,760
I'm going to use it because I have access to

757
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,239
some of the Sierra sounds that nobody's ever heard, and

758
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,280
I want to run those through there and see what

759
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,760
it says. And oh, by the way, he said he

760
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,320
had put in a couple of clips from the Sierra

761
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,800
Sounds and gotten some results that basically it wasn't human

762
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,679
or it didn't appear to be human. And he even

763
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,519
went into detail about specifically the Sierra Sounds clip that

764
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,719
he used. He said, this program told him, based on

765
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,119
his prompts that in one clip, whatever was making the

766
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,079
vocalizations was stationary, and then another clip that he put

767
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,280
in it was different sounds. Whatever was making the sounds

768
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,000
was actually moving from right to left. I don't remember

769
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,440
exactly what Steve said, but Steve was very deliberate in

770
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,280
saying exactly what it said. It was left or right

771
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,000
to left, So it'll even tell you if something stationary

772
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,960
or if it's moving. After I talked to Steve yesterday,

773
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,599
I decided to go do a whoop or something myself.

774
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,639
I knew about how far away I put the recorder

775
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,480
from where I was doing the test. I put the

776
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,719
clip in. It told me that it was about thirty

777
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,480
feet away. No, it was probably closer to one hundred

778
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:41,000
and fifty two hundred feet away. Is that a big deal?

779
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,880
Maybe not? But seventy feet and I'm guestimating here. I

780
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,199
didn't measure it out. I wasn't scientific. I didn't do

781
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:51,880
a fucking double blind audio study. I just walked it

782
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,239
off and visualized about how far I thought it was

783
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,880
away from where I was doing this test, and I

784
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,519
got this result that said it was most likely thirty

785
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,679
feet away. I think the owl clip that I put

786
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,079
in from the ozarks said that whatever that was about

787
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,800
twenty five to thirty feet away from me didn't make

788
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,760
any sense to me. I said all that to say.

789
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,840
I said, look, Steve, I think this is a great tool,

790
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,000
and a lot of people follow your channel, a lot

791
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,800
of people listen to us. So I'm not going to

792
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,440
be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of this

793
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,559
is the greatest thing ever. Because here was my concern

794
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,480
for Steve and my concern to you. I don't want

795
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,320
to put something like that out there. And it'll do

796
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,000
video too. I think he did the Independence Day video.

797
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,079
I didn't see what the result was from that. I

798
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,920
wasn't really interested. I don't really care. But he does

799
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,559
video as well. It'll tell you if it's AI, it'll

800
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,679
tell you if it's CGI, it'll tell you if it's

801
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,280
been altered. It'll give you all these things, which is

802
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,039
a great tool. Again, but it can't tell you if

803
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,639
something's a bigfoot. It will not say this vocalization that

804
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:50,559
you put in here is a bigfoot. It won't tell

805
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,519
you that the video that you put in is a Sasquatch.

806
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,880
It's not going to do that. So I said to Steve,

807
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,199
I think we got to be careful here, dude, because

808
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,039
what's going to happen is people are to produce evidence

809
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,599
and somebody's gonna take it and stick it in this

810
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:06,760
AI program and immediately come back and say you're a hoaxer.

811
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,360
You're putting stuff out there that's not real because AI

812
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,960
said so, And I think that's a slippery slope.

813
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: Dude.

814
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,199
Speaker 2: I think we really have to be careful here, because

815
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,440
if I can put one clip in and get four

816
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,519
different results, that's a problem. And I'm good with the program.

817
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:24,480
So if I gave it to you and you'd never

818
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,679
seen the program and I said, put in some prompts

819
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:28,880
and tell me what this thing thinks, there's no telling.

820
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,960
It might come back and say it was a crane

821
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,199
or something flying over when it might actually be a bigfoot.

822
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,639
So we got to be careful here. Man. I'm not

823
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:39,480
even gonna say on the air what the program is

824
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:42,320
because I don't want people to automatically go out and start,

825
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,000
oh yeah, I put the Sierra Sounds in that yesterday

826
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,760
and it told me it was a dude. Okay, there

827
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,559
you go. I think it's going to open a can

828
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,480
of worms. So how do you feel about using AI

829
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,400
technology to look into things like that? And what do

830
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,519
you see the pitfalls?

831
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,639
Speaker 3: I don't feel good about it anymore. Appreciate that I

832
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,079
was excited. I thought that this could be pretty cool.

833
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,360
Quick question to you, your whoop test that you did

834
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,079
that said that it was closer than actually was. What

835
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,480
did it say? Did it say it was human or what.

836
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: Said it was possibly non human?

837
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Primate said that you were possibly yeah, and we got

838
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,480
to throw it all out. I don't know, because you

839
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,519
gotta be careful. And I know Steve I like the

840
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,960
shit out of him. Great guy, He's been on my show.

841
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:28,719
He even mentioned, you got to do it this way.

842
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,800
It might take me an hour to do one five

843
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,400
second thing to get it to produce what I think

844
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,639
it is. Is it what you think it is or

845
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:41,320
what you want it to be? Because he also in

846
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,239
that video broke down MK Davis a wood talker something

847
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,000
like that. Did you see that part? He said that

848
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:52,159
came back as most likely human if I remember correctly.

849
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,159
Is it because you have a problem with MK Davis

850
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,960
that it came back most likely human and the one

851
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,599
that you record or the person that you know recorded

852
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,760
the whoop came back most likely on human prime And

853
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,719
I'm not accusing of that. I'm just from what you

854
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,400
just told me, it seems like that's possible, and.

855
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: I think it's less because we had that conversation, and

856
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,199
I said, I wanted to make sure he was okay

857
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,239
with me talking about our conversation publicly, and he said

858
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,679
that by all means, I get what you're saying. I

859
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,000
want to clarify here. I don't think Steve is searching

860
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:27,639
for what he believes this is. He's very specific and

861
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,199
I wasn't looking for anything. I'm trying to do these

862
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,000
prompts as best he can to get a result that's fair.

863
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,159
I guess is a better way to put that. So

864
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,480
if I said that the wrong way the first time,

865
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:41,639
let me clarify now and say that's what he's trying

866
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,719
to do, because that's what I tried to do yesterday.

867
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,360
I wasn't trying to get it to say one thing

868
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,800
or the other. This program you have to be very

869
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,960
specifical with the prompts to get a result that makes sense.

870
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,840
And Steve said, look, you got to rely on your

871
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,800
gut in some cases, because what happens is this thing's

872
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,000
not going to say this is a bigfoot. Now. It

873
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,280
may come out and say it's most likely this. So

874
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,679
that's what he does. If you saw those results, I

875
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:06,280
think you put one of the results up for the

876
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,320
whoop that they recorded, I think potentially human was like

877
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,239
seven to ten percent, and most likely non human primate

878
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,639
was like seventy percent. That's the conversation that Steve and

879
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:19,400
I had. I said, Look, I don't have a problem

880
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,960
with somebody using a tool that's giving you an average

881
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,119
like that if it breaks it down like that, and

882
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,039
it clearly does. He got that forensic print out. It

883
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:31,119
said this is probably seventy percent likely to be a

884
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,320
non human primate. Okay, if you're listening to the Ohio Howe,

885
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,039
I think most of us think that's real. I know

886
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:38,480
there are people out there who think it's an air

887
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,039
raid siren or something mechanical. I personally believe that's real

888
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,800
because I've heard something very similar to that in real

889
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,440
life here on our property. So if you put the

890
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:52,559
Ohio Howel in there, if ninety percent of the communities, yeah,

891
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,599
that's pretty much what we believe. It's real because we've

892
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,800
heard it. And you get a result that says it's

893
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,639
eighty percent likely that this is a non human primate

894
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:04,559
and it's ten percent likely that it's a this or

895
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,519
it's seven percent likely it's a human. Would you take

896
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,039
those results and say Yeah, that pretty much confirms what

897
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,440
I was already thinking. So in that sense, I think

898
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,719
this is a good tool to use because if you

899
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,519
use it that way, and you use that breakdown to

900
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:22,119
say this is most likely real, or this is most

901
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,360
likely a bigfoot. But most people won't do that. If

902
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,599
they get a seventy percent, they're gonna say one hundred

903
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,199
percent that is real. This says it's real or it's

904
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:33,440
the opposite. If you record a piece of audio, you

905
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,360
could see a bigfoot vocalizing when you're doing it. You

906
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,440
could see it happening. You could record it and then

907
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,760
put it into this AI program and it may tell

908
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,719
you that you're full of shit and it's most likely

909
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,960
a human being and you know it's not. Where do

910
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,239
you go from there? Yeah, I think it's a very

911
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,079
slippery slope. I think we have to be very careful now.

912
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,239
Certainly if you put in an image. I haven't tried

913
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,639
an image yet. That's the next step. When I get

914
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:58,400
time to do that, I'm going to try some images

915
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,400
and things that I believe or CGI. I'm going to

916
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,079
start with those that Todd has had on his channel

917
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,360
in the past that we clearly know is AI, and

918
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,960
just see what it says as far as a forensic

919
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,079
analysis of whether this was generated by artificial intelligence or not.

920
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:17,599
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

921
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,599
be right back after these messages.

922
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 2: See it's a great tool for things like that. If

923
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:28,440
that confirms it with an eighty percent probability that this

924
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:33,280
is created by artificial intelligence, Okay, I'm good. Again, We're

925
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,840
not trying to prove one thing or the other as

926
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,639
far as evidence using that, So I think it's something

927
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,400
we have to be very careful of. Again, love Steve

928
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,679
to death. We're not accusing Steve of anything. He's a

929
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,639
stand up guy. He has nothing to hide. We're not

930
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,760
saying that he's creating any kind of evidence or trying

931
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,119
to drill into finding a result that is more favorable

932
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:57,039
to what he already believed. But I'm just saying we

933
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,519
have to be careful, folks, because he is a seasoned investigator.

934
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,480
He has investigated all kinds of cases in his real job,

935
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,360
in real life and in Bigfoot. So he uses a

936
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,599
lot of tools. And a tool is just that you

937
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,519
can use a hammer to hammer a nail, but you

938
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,079
got to hit the nail on the head. If you

939
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,639
hit beside the nails not going to go in. The

940
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,039
tool is only as good as the person using it,

941
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,760
So yeah, it can be used in a nefarious way.

942
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,159
If I were somebody who wanted to really prove that

943
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,280
somebody was wrong. I you running some of the talking

944
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:33,599
audio from Mike Patterson that I believe is Dwayne through

945
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:35,800
this and it comes out and tells me that it's

946
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ninety percent likely a human being. I'm going to be

947
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okay with that result. But it doesn't necessarily make it right.

948
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I've said it before on the show. Just because you

949
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can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should. So I'm

950
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just saying to people out there, if you have an

951
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,320
inclination to do this and run it through some of

952
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,599
your AI software, just take it with a grain of

953
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,639
salt and keep those things in mind that it's not

954
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,119
one hundred percent accurate all the time. It is still

955
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,320
something that is in the process of being developed. It's

956
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,519
in being improved daily. You can see it. Look at

957
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,840
AI a year ago and then look at AI today

958
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,440
and see the difference in where we are versus then.

959
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I think it's the same way with this. If used appropriately,

960
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,000
I think it's a great tool. I'm just concerned that

961
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it's going to lead to more dissension amongst the already

962
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tumultuous thing that we've got going on in the bigfoot

963
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,559
community already. It's just another tool that people now can

964
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,760
use to say, Aha, I got you. You're a faker,

965
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,760
you're a hoaxer. But what about all these investigators that

966
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,000
are just going out there and putting recorders out and

967
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:42,400
getting audio and putting it out there for people to say,

968
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,599
I didn't create this, I just recorded it. Now, are

969
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we going to run it through AI software and if

970
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,119
it comes back that it's seventy percent likely that it's

971
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,519
a human being? Do you just dismiss the evidence and say, yeah,

972
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:58,119
it's probably not a recording of a bigfoot, it's probably

973
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somebody in their backyard screaming or doing whatever. Okay, that's fine,

974
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,119
But do we now demonize this person as a hoaxer

975
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for putting that out. That's the problem I have with it.

976
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Speaker 3: You just took my talking point from it. That's what

977
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I was gonna say. People that are on the up

978
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,239
and up and never been questioned and have a good

979
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,079
reputation that records something that they did not do, and

980
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,239
they put it out for everyone to listen to, and

981
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,199
some Yahoo runs it through this software as many times

982
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,800
as that they need to come back as most likely human,

983
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,800
and then people start shitting on that person. It's dangerous. Man.

984
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,000
I was off for it at first, but since we've

985
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,480
been talking about it, I'm a little bit worried.

986
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still a tool I'm gonna use again.

987
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,719
Just be careful, folks, use the tools. I love technology.

988
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,119
I think it's fantastic. It can make our lives easier,

989
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:52,000
but it can also destroy people when it's not necessary,

990
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,079
when it's not even warranted. So be careful. That's all

991
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,239
I'm saying. But enough of that. Wayne, as always my friend,

992
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you get the last word on the show.

993
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Speaker 3: All right, guys, we appreciate everything that you do. We

994
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love y'all. Thank you so much. Please keep those emails

995
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,920
voicemails rolling, continue to rate and review every chance you

996
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,360
get until we talk to y'all again. Y'all, take care

997
00:49:13,400 --> 00:51:07,760
of yourself, take care of each other. Community built

998
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