Speaker 1: Good afternoon. You're listening to Gambling with an Edge. Now
here are your hosts, Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin. Good afternoon,
Welcome to Gambling with an Edge.
Speaker 2: Bob Dancer and I'm Richard Munchkin. Today our guest is
named Chuck. He plays slots, bet sports, and does some
other things. What you're going to hear about Chuck, Welcome
to Gambling with an Edge.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for the welcome.
Speaker 1: Bob.
Speaker 4: Sorry I cut you off there for a second. I'm
just kind of excited to talk.
Speaker 1: So Chuck, how did you get into ap work?
Speaker 4: Well, so, when I was just about sixteen, i'd met
some would say, pretty much started a very long conversation.
You know, he used to do a lot of blackjack,
i'd five six years ago.
Speaker 3: Is he no stuff?
Speaker 4: Then? I think some of the value he could get
out of it, And I'd always talk to him, you know,
we keep up, you know, three years and I told him,
you know, one day when I'm twenty one, definitely gonna
be doing my best to work for you or work
with you, or do something. Because he was always finding
a new way or somehow to make money doing what
he does. And I've probably never heard another story other
than what he does now, So I don't you know,
I think he's found a lot of success in an
ap and that's kind of where I started to get
a lot of my information.
Speaker 5: How did you know him when you were Was he
like a family friend or something?
Speaker 4: Just an acquaintance I met as a friend, you know,
kind of introduced from some other people, and then outside
of that, we just kind of clicked and I'm a
closer from there, which was always just more down to
earth person and it just kind of stemmed into, oh, like,
what do you like to do outside of this?
Speaker 3: I always do similar stuff, you.
Speaker 4: Know, hang out, and you know, now we end up
working together, which is probably some of the best best
stuff that's wrapping in me.
Speaker 5: So when you turned twenty one, what what did you
You went to him and said, Okay, I'm twenty one, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, work funnily enough, Yeah, I turned twenty one. I
think I may have shot him at text like four
days after I turned twenty. You know, I was reading that,
I know, right, Surprisingly, I was selling cars.
Speaker 3: I working eleven to thirteen hour days. Love what I did.
Speaker 4: But you know, there was one week where I had
to take completely awful work. They sent me off and
I told him about it. This was maybe a month
after I had turned twenty one. We had connected when
I turned twenty one, but I didn't do anything right away.
It was like, Oh, you should do this, or you
should do that. I didn't want to quit my job
right away because I didn't instant value for me back
me up forever. Then when I had this week off,
he flew me out to Vegas. I mean, I had
quite the week in Vegas. We ran all over the town,
played a bunch of slots, learned a lot of stuff,
and honestly, it started to become a little bit more
real because a lot of I feel like to the
naked eye or somebody who doesn't know what you guys know,
the ways that some people end up actually making ap
or gambling with an edge.
Speaker 3: It's just like you wouldn't believe it unless you fit
see it.
Speaker 4: You'd be like, there's no way this casino would let
you do this, or you could stumble upon something with
that much value in it, you know, without I don't know,
there's just nothing tangible to it. It's kind of kind
of crazy. I would have never assumed that anyone can
do it.
Speaker 1: Right, and if they tell you what they do, you
go you don't believe them. It's like you don't think
it's over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or you make money playing slock machines.
Speaker 1: Yay.
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm close with my parents, and I
told them all, I'm going out to Vegas, like, you know,
this is something I think I want to do and
this and that they they kind of just laughed at
me and kind of like didn't believe. And again I
didn't either, you know. That's I went to the point
where he was like, oh, I'm going to fly you out.
I just thought I was going to have fun and
you know, made some good money that weekend. I was like,
why do I even Why do I clock in every day?
Like I if I could just be doing this and
I could make my own hours and if I wanted
to work twenty hours in one day, if I wanted
to work for I can wait.
Speaker 1: Son.
Speaker 5: This is your first trip to Vegas we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Now, right, so not my first trip, my second trip
to Vegas.
Speaker 4: The first trip I think we made, I want to
say it was just south of twenty five thousand dollars.
And that's just like as a I think there was
like three or four of us. I don't I don't
really call.
Speaker 5: And this was playing slot machines strictly slots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was only slots. This was just you know,
gambling on slot machines.
Speaker 4: And the second trip, you know, we had some bigger slots,
higher limits, if you will, and we had to really
lock down a lot of money.
Speaker 3: And we also had a lockdown a seat.
Speaker 4: So I was kind of the who drew the short
straw there and I kind of sat in the same
spot for I want to say it was like six
or seven hours or something like that, not playing, just
set just sitting in a spot, kind of holding it
down in the high limb room, like eating cookies and
drinking water.
Speaker 5: That's the glitter and glamor of the gambling business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, the the glitter is you know,
fast forward, you know, four hours after my seat holding
was done, and I got a million dollars cash in
my lap and we're sitting at a table, you know,
having some of the best steak I've ever had, you know,
and man, I will okay, no, wait.
Speaker 5: So you got to back up, but we can't jump
from I had to sit in a chair for six hours,
I had a million dollar.
Speaker 3: It's funny because go ahead, Well.
Speaker 5: So you're you were waiting to get the cat, your
partner was waiting to get the cash to play this machine.
And then how much was it per spin?
Speaker 4: If I recall correctly, it was I think it was
twenty five hundred dollars and no, it ran, It ran
pretty well.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think I guess not what it was.
But you know, did you.
Speaker 1: Hit the grand jack putt and the horror.
Speaker 4: Just got a lots pretty good some good jackpots, I think,
you know, the I think some of the math behind it.
You know, we could have won, you know, anywhere in
like the couple of millions of dollars. I think it
was like four or five million dollars. So we did
win good? Did we max win? No?
Speaker 3: Did we lose?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: So I mean it was a very good trip, nonetheless,
But that was my intro. Like I you're like, wait,
like it was.
Speaker 4: I had no experience with this amount of money all like,
not even a little bit.
Speaker 3: I sat on this machine.
Speaker 4: I didn't even really know what kind of limits we're playing,
Like I understood it, but I didn't. And then we
spun the slot it paid really well. It did what
it was supposed to do. You know, we went upstairs
I'm counting out a million dollars with some people I
just met, you know, making for everybody gets their chunk
at change kind of understanding how it works, and it
was it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I mean it was literally like a movie.
Speaker 4: You could have cut from the beginning of that day
to the end and made it a whole film.
Speaker 3: A film. Were you the.
Speaker 5: One spinning and getting the w twog?
Speaker 3: No, thank god, I was not. So that. That was
part of the logistics too.
Speaker 4: It's like, if I were to be the one to
walk in, they'd be like, hey, how do you have
this much money? And I would support her back that.
So there's definitely some hoops. There's a lot of hoops.
You know. You would literally, you know, if you work
in the field, you would understand that like might be
a hoop or might be something that you would run into.
But if you just heard about this information and you
one hundred percent believed it, you'd think it's the easiest
thing in the world.
Speaker 3: You just go and you play this.
Speaker 4: But there's definitely a lot of things that come up
that you have to overcome, which is what I feel
like a lot of people are good at that that
find success in gambling with an edge. It's just being
able to overcome slight objections and kind of keep moving forward.
Speaker 1: Okay, just staying on this big play. You might have
had five or ten million dollars worth of W two
g's that day. How is that split among your group?
Speaker 4: So we you know, the man that was spinning that,
if I recall correctly, had plenty a lot and I
get tucked under their ro But.
Speaker 5: So you got a BP who who could handle having
a W two g like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: And I think there's been instances where it's handled otherwise.
But you know, most of the time, I think with
the people that I work with, it's so much more
convenient if they can handle the W two's and they
have losses that back that and or some sort of
accounting that old.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's often difficult though to find you like, guys
who have those kind of massive losses. It means they,
you know, already have a lot of money, and they're
not used to like following directions and taking orders, especially
from a guy who looks about fourteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it definitely does raise a lot of trouble sometimes,
but you know, it's handled very professionally, and a lot
of the people that I've worked with again have done
this for for so long now that you know, I
kind of just work behind them. I'm not in control
of a lot of the stuff where it's like finding
and locating a BP, but you know, if it's holding
down a seat, hanging out. I mean, I hustle sawts
on my own. You know, they have me bet sports,
which is another thing that we'll definitely talk about as
a fun experience bet in sports in Mississippi.
Speaker 5: But well, yeah, I don't Why don't we go to
that because you got scammed in Mississippi in a way
that I had never heard of and didn't know was possible.
So why don't you tell us that story?
Speaker 4: So I'll start it from where I was in the beginning,
because because I complained about what had taken place at
that kiosk to my friends before I had even known
i'd lost sixteen hundred bucks. I I was sitting there
betting the kiosk, you know, as people do, you know,
throwing some hundreds in there, getting my bets in.
Speaker 3: It was what it was.
Speaker 4: But these guys came up and approached me, and this
happens sometimes you know, you're you're betting sports, people ask you,
oh what are you betting?
Speaker 3: Oh what's the pick?
Speaker 5: What's this?
Speaker 4: And that these guys went a little bit overboard. They
started getting a little too close to me. One of
them masked at one point like, oh, do you mind
if I see your tickets? And I was like I
drew the line there. I was like, yeah, I definitely mind,
Like I'd prefer you didn't touch my things. Then he
just took them off the kiosk, like just.
Speaker 5: Tell you you were making your bets and putting the
tickets on top of the key on the yeah, like
on the lee Edge key.
Speaker 3: There was like a teny little ledge.
Speaker 4: We had two bets on there, and I had like
I don't know, like seven hundred more bucks in my hand.
I was going to throw into another bet, so I'm
like inserting this money down into it and they walk up,
start the conversation.
Speaker 3: They take the tickets.
Speaker 4: Unbeknownst to me, you know, behind my back, they were
throwing eyes at each other, taking pictures of my tickets,
you know, and that raises its own red flags.
Speaker 3: If I had noticed that.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe I would have acted a little bit,
but you know, to me, I finished place in my bet,
I turned around, I snatched my tickets, I left. They
didn't get any of my info, they didn't take my tickets,
they didn't get whatever. So you know, I chalked it
up to that was really weird. I'm never going to
bet there alone, like some at least stand with me
to tell these guys.
Speaker 3: To like go away.
Speaker 4: Fast forward next day, literally twenty four hours from that day,
I'm going to place some more bets at the same place,
scanning some of my tickets. They're allowing me to just
deposit from scanning the ticket outside the machine, just onto
onto the kiosk, so I can just keep playing bets,
which is like relatively normal practice if I'm not mistaken.
But I came down to one of the tickets and
it was a winner, but it wasn't letting me cash,
so I went up to the counter. The people at
the counter had let me know that it was already cashed.
So do you have any info on when?
Speaker 1: How where?
Speaker 4: They said, at five thirty am. You know, I looked
at that guy. It all made sense, like right after
he said five thirty am. You know, I kind of
put two and two together that these guys must have
taken my tickets, taken a picture of them, and then
scanned the picture on the kiosk, and then from there
they just hit withdraw and took that little cash voucher
up to the counter. And they did an id him
when they took him up to the counter. So they
just got paid out sixteen hundred and kind I guess, so, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Did not even I had no idea that you could
scan a picture of a ticket and that it would
read it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it makes sense it's a QR
code or whatever, or a bar code, but yeah, I
just unbelievable. But now, the thing that's really crazy about
this story is the way that casino reacted.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: So after I had like gone upstairs and you know,
they had told me it was cashed, you know, I
didn't want to raise a fuss with that guy.
Speaker 3: I knew he couldn't do much.
Speaker 4: I just asked if he could finally bring me a
manager of the sports book or if there's anyone I
could talk to. Said, there was somebody on the grid,
so he can get them for me, goes and grabs
the manager and I explained the story just how I
explained it to you, and the manager started off with saying, well,
you're very far from getting any money compensation from us.
I was like, well that, first of all, that's not
what I was asking, you know. The main thing I
was like, this.
Speaker 5: Was this a manager of the sports book, which was
DraftKings by the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, DraftKings. So this was the manager of the sports
book at the DraftKings. And he was probably by far
out of everyone I had spoken to, the least helpful,
if not probably the opposite. He literally looked me dead
in the face and said, you're a grown ass man.
Can't keep track of your own tickets. I was like,
I have the physical ticket here in my hand, you know,
like I'm I'm not trying to make a joke. I'm
not trying to take money from you. You can check
the cameras. I know for a fact that's going to
support everything I'm saying. But this is what's going on.
Is there anything you can do? And you know, he
was being very reluctant to even take any of my
info down. You know, he went and grabbed a long
sheet he wanted me to just like fill out my
name and my phone number on it, and I was like,
you guys are never going to get back to me
if I just put my name my phone number on
the sticky note, like I need you.
Speaker 3: Guys to reach back.
Speaker 4: The buddy that I was there with when cashing the
tickets brought up the Gaming Commission. He just goes, well,
you know, if you can't fix anything or you don't
want to sell anything, do you have the number of
the Gaming Commission? And he just turns the corner, comes
back around and goes, you guys have to leave. You
brought the Gaming Commission. I can't talk to you guys anymore.
And then that was it. We brought up the gaming Commission.
He cut us off and he was done, Oh wait.
Speaker 5: I'm who is us? There was somebody there with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one of my friends that I bet with,
you know, in my hometown state. He was also there
with me in Mississippi. He wasn't there at the time
I was placing the bets, but was there when I
was placing the second bets and cashing the first one.
Speaker 5: Wow. So so okay, you brought up you said the
magic words gaming commission no longer allowed to speak to you,
So now what do you do?
Speaker 3: So go downstairs? I was, I mean, I was livid.
Speaker 4: My blood was boiled and I don't really get mad
very easily, and I was just like, this is the
worst way I've ever seen a casino handle this. And
keep in mind, the wager on this bet was seven
hundred bucks, the payout was sixteen. When I went upstairs,
I never thought I was going to get paid my
full winning amount, you know, after I had realized what
was happening. But what I really thought was going to
happen was I was going to get my wager back
and then until further notice, possibly evenings. That's how I
thought the conversation was going to go. So when that
didn't happen, I was pretty upset. I walked downstairs. I
talked to the security manager and this guy was whispering
at me. So a lot of the words that he
said didn't really connect. He was literally whispering at me.
But the main point that he got to after I
explained the whole story, he kind of just said, there's
nothing the casino is going to do, and I'm, for
lack of a better word, kind of fucked in that regard,
and I was like, what yeah.
Speaker 5: Literally said that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. At that point, I was just like okay. So
I called the Gaming Commission. They didn't answer me.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: Nobody answered the phone. Nobody answered the phone. I left
the voiceman, so I called the PD. The PD sounded
super on top of it. They said they were going
to send somebody to me, you know. Ten minutes after
waiting for that, they called me back and said they
were busy, so I had to come down.
Speaker 3: To the police department. So I'm like okay.
Speaker 4: So I make my way down to the police department.
I file a whole report. I even still have the
little note that they give you with like the whole
complaint form and everything in my wallet. I'm waiting for
that thing to cash through. But the PD told me
all this is going to be a gaming thing. And
then the Gaming Commission called me the next day and
they're like, oh, this is going to be a personal
offense because they directly stole from you, not through the
gaming or anything. So then I went back to the PD.
They're like, oh, this has to do with casinos. Once
it gets to the DA, they're going to push it
back to the commission. So it just looked like it
was just going to get bound essentially back and forth
between the Gaming Commission and the and the police department.
After I had shown what was going on and had
the evidence, you.
Speaker 5: Got to see the surveillance footage, right.
Speaker 4: So I didn't get to see the surveillance footage, but
I did get a call from the Gaming Commission, I
would say, five or six days after I had actually
left Mississippi, where he essentially told me everything. He validated
every word that came out of my mouth. He said
the video footage from the casino and from the Kiosk
support that these guys came up to me and took
pictures of my tickets. There is no audio, so they
don't have the audio to claim that I didn't give
them permission or anything like that. But I'm like, well,
put us in a room together. They either got a
sixteen hundred, but like they you know, find these guys
and they essentially said the casino didn't id them. Which
this is a hard, hard one for me because every
time I walk into a casino, I get ideed. I look, oh,
I understand he getting idd every time, but you know,
in Mississippi, it takes forty five minutes to get twelve
hundred dollars jackpot. You know, at the time, this was
last year, twenty twenty five, Like, why would it be
any different or any different procedure for these guys to
walk up to the counter with sixteen hundred bucks, Like
you're not going to id them then?
Speaker 5: Well, plus, I'm sure that you know these guys this
was not their first time in that casino, and you know,
and they're probably there today.
Speaker 4: Right, And that was another thing that I was talking about,
just the way that I was talked to from the manager.
You know, there was only two scenarios in my head
was he's either heard this before, gone down this rabbit
hole and got nothing from it, or he knows about
it and he's cashing some money on it, or if
they're his friends or something, I'm like.
Speaker 5: Chipping off his friends. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he was like, oh, you can just come
take pictures of you know, tickets, if you see people
put a lot of money in, you know, just free
roll their bet and win everything if they win. So wow,
that was kind of the the worst experience I had.
You know, I've been out of state plenty of times
to bet before, and I've literally never had anything close
to that ever happen. I've even really had people approach me,
try to grab my ticket, try to do anything like that.
You know, hindsight being twenty twenty, I can go up
to the counter and say, hey, you guys need my
ID to cash these tickets, or I just placed these
bets these guys did this, or.
Speaker 5: Yeah, never bet them on the shelf.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a million things now whatever that
I'm going to do to reduce my risk from that.
Speaker 5: So have you written it off completely or are you
still pursuing it in some way?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: I'm definitely still I'm definitely still pursuing it. You know,
I just just for me, because I don't think it's right.
I you know, for me, I get to gamble luckily
with with some sort of theoretical edge, so at the
end of the day, you know, I will make that
money back and some But to all the people that
go and place one hundred three hundred dollars bet, these
guys come up, you know, they think they're being cool.
I think this, and that turns out they're taking money
from them. I mean, they could be doing this to anybody,
and it literally just could be random strangers that are
just trying to play some sports, which is probably like
the biggest downside i'd think to all this is that
it's probably just happening to random people every day.
Speaker 1: Well, you're actually lucky that you only got ripped off
for sixteen hundred. Yeah, could have been. I don't know
everything you bet, but I suspect some of your bets
are for bigger payoffs than that, So, you know, learning
the lesson for a relatively small amount of money is
money in the bank, so to speak, your fortune.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and out of the it was three or four bet.
I think I placed four bets that day and they
got a hold of two of my tickets. The two
that they grabbed went one and two. The other two
bets one, So I went three and four that day
on those, so they would have I think they would
have cashed out close to five thousand dollars if they
hadn't taken a picture of all my tickets. So I definitely, yeah,
like you said, dodged a massive bullet, you know, very
small price to pay for probably the experience that I learned,
and like you know, the ability to cover my own
cover my own back when I go do these own things,
you know kind of yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Would have been on this show without this happening to you.
Speaker 3: I know. Right, everything's got a positive and it you
just got to find it, you know.
Speaker 5: The other thing that's just crazy though, is DraftKings will
give away bonuses like water, right, sixteen hundred dollars for
them is nothing. The guy could have easily said, you know,
here's a sixteen hundred dollars free bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to them on that, like, I called separate DraftKings.
I tried to call their online. The only people that
got back to me from that were my hometown. Two
separate managers actually reached out and called I'm based in Arizona.
So some some of the guys in Scottsdale were We're
calling me there like hey, like we heard want to
tell us the story, you know, I tell them the story.
They're like, wow, that is ridiculous. That would never happen
in any of the states that were you know, majority
in That would never happen here in Arizona.
Speaker 3: That would never happen in Vegas.
Speaker 4: I would never you know, come to the sports book,
you know, beers on us aaptizers on us. We can
try to get you a bonus, you know, we can
try to do something. But those are the only people
reaching out from DraftKings that actually try to make it right.
You know, none of the people that I physically talked
to that worked for DraftKings, or any of the people
that I had got on the phone with that were
in mist work for DraftKings. Wouldn't I make just people
in my hometown.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm did you try talking to the casino people
rather than the DraftKings people? And were they equally not helpful?
Speaker 4: So I did end up getting a phone call with
the executive of the of the play of the Golden Nugget,
and I told him, you know.
Speaker 3: Less about I.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I spoke probably the most about my experience with
the manager at DraftKings and how he responded to what happened,
because I really feel like it was super unprofessional and
this guy handles thousands of dollars every day. Yeah, and
that was just around Christmas time. And the way that
phone call ended was with the executive saying, well, he's
gonna get a grace Christmas present of a visit to
my office. So I hope you have a good rest
of your day. And I haven't followed up with them,
but that was probably the only feedback I got from
the casino other than the head of security telling me
that I kind of out of luck. It's really interesting,
and like you said, I don't I don't know how
much sports, you know, kiosk stuff you guys have done,
but I would have never thought in a million years
that just a picture would work through those things.
Speaker 3: It's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's actually interesting because you could easily take
one home accidentally, and you know, you have to cash
them in within such and such a time period, and
you're halfway across the country. So if you have a
friend back there and they can do a picture that's.
Speaker 3: A strain shot, you'll save your money for you.
Speaker 4: I mean, if they're not going to fix it, it's
they that point, they're promoting it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you also work with YouTube, I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a good place to go next.
Speaker 4: So you know, like like you guys do that the
whole premise of the show, you know, gambling with an
edge one of the biggest things that you know, we
discovered while kind of looking for BPS. We ran into
some influencers and we talked to some people from media,
and a lot of like the deals that they get
and all that revolving casinos was actually you know, well
worth well worth the time to the point where we
started working with them more learning about their content, how
much money they use to make videos, what kind of
returns they get on their videos, how well does that do,
you know, things of all that nature, kind of explaining
to us what they think about the whole YouTube game
in itself. And a lot of the people that you
know used to just do YouTube for gaming and YouTube
for social media, like just vlogging and being themselves. You know,
some of them have just started they just want to
do casino stuff. They just want to do slots because
not only are they getting you know, big deposit bonuses,
you know, they're getting calls from crypto casinos that are like, hey,
we'll give you ten thousand dollars a day to just
gamble on our on our casino. You know, you live
strink two hours and the ten thousand and as yours
mak er lose whatever. So the biggest thing that we
thought is, I mean, if we're going to be doing
all this gambling anyway, we're going to be playing all
this slots. We're just gonna be throwing this money at
these machines. I mean mine as well put it up
on the internet and show some people. And I mean
some of some of the stuff we even do, you know,
isn't even with an edge. You know, we're just we're
we're trying to build, you know, a platform at this point.
You know, we got a couple guys. I'm wearing one
of them's hoodie right now, the Leaping Lizard. You know,
he's probably he's probably our most famous guy that we
have doing this right now. But yeah, we just see
the benefit in it, you know, And there's really we're
trying to wrack our brains and see if there is
any downside or whether or not it would be worth
the time. But if it's something that we're going to
be doing anyway, you know, mine as well get the maximum.
Speaker 3: You know, juice for the squeeze, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 5: Well, it also seems like the upside is so much
bigger then you could ever make advantage gambling. I mean,
you know, Vegas matt is making you know what over
ten million dollars.
Speaker 4: A year, so I can't imagine and I mean all
of that is going to be compounded over time. They mean,
he's still going to be getting paid a videos that
he've hosted a year ago, you know. And this the
CPM on YouTube for gambling is great. I mean a
lot of people, if they're gonna sit and watch a slot,
they're going to watch it to the end. You know,
they're they're just as degenerate gamblers as the as the
rest of us at that point. You know, they just
want to see the end result. They just want to
see the spins, they want to see the bonuses, they
want to see the winds. So and I think if
they get tied to a person, I mean, it's just
like pretty much infinite views. Another thing that I'll talk
about then too is you know they're there's somebody who
I will definitely leave unnamed that I know is in
the in the media world that is very closely tied
to one of the casinos advertising for and the revenue
from that alone is.
Speaker 3: Like over a million dollars a week.
Speaker 4: And I mean this is from super reliable sources, like
people I know that that would not joke around about
that kind of money.
Speaker 3: So not only is.
Speaker 5: Streaming video poker sessions out there.
Speaker 1: You know, I literally a million a week. That's more
than you and I make together, isn't it, Richard?
Speaker 5: Ye, it would take us a month to make that. Yeah. Now, look,
I don't want to come come off as a big shot, okay,
but I do want you to know we make dozens
of dollars on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's all good, you know.
Speaker 4: And the main thing about it is, well, not only
is there really in my head or that I haven't seen,
it just opened so many doors, you know, to the
point where, like I think I've posted nine or ten
reels on my Instagram about gambling and about stuff like that,
and I've had two separate crypto casinos reach out trying
to ask how much I would charge to promote their stuff,
you know, what kind of regular base posting I can
do stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So there's definitely a market really careful that they have
a don't have a reputation of ripping people off, right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, And that's why I like the main goal for
me right now is like, hey, that sounds cool and all,
but I feel like they're just trying to like pick
the fruit before it is right, you know, before they
have to pay full price for something you know, kind
of all will pay you this much you know now,
and then when you blow up, will continue to pay
you the same amount. So you know, I have more
more than enough aith for me than a couple of
my guys that are also doing this.
Speaker 3: It's they're all going to blow up, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean it's at the end of the day, we're
posting not the same but very similar content to what
has gone plenty viral, and it's just a matter of
time for when the eyes hit it.
Speaker 1: How easy is it to get casinos to agree to
let you film in their casino? And do they want
to be named? Do they not want to be named?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Hard is that for me?
Speaker 4: I think if I'm the casino, right, I would want
my name everywhere on that screen, because you know, somebody
wins big, somebody wins. There's a bunch of reasons or philosophy,
like people want to be in a casino. So the
more promotion you can do, like hey I won this
a palaza, you can too, Or hey I won this
here at MGM Grand you can too. You know, any
words or any promotion is good promotion. The way I
see it, as a casino eye today.
Speaker 1: I don't know that the golden nugget is and blocks
he's gonna agree with you after the day show.
Speaker 3: It would have been it would have been really good publicity.
Speaker 4: Had I seen my sixteen hundred dollars that going from
their casino, you know, they probably would have been great publicity.
They took care of me when they didn't have to,
but they did quite the opposite. In all honesty, I
think for slots, for you know, small stuff like that,
it's really easy to just pull out the phone or record.
They don't really housle you too. I've only really struggled
with that in very smaller casinos for some reason other
than Caesar's properties. Caesar's properties, for whatever reason, are not
very easy to record in. Other than that, though, it's
almost welcome. I mean, they want you to come and
record slots. They want you to do that kind of stuff.
There's a place opening in the palazzo. It's like social
media room, so it's actually open to influences. Feel free
to come record all that kind of stuff, but they
actually plan on live streaming it.
Speaker 5: So, oh wait, is this a Palazza or yeah, Plaza,
Oh Plaza, I'm so sorry. Plaza yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, so yeah, tell us more about that, what
they're what they're doing.
Speaker 4: So I was actually there today, you know, and it's
a full room. It's got slots, it's got three different
table games, Roulette, Bacca Rot, and Blackjack, And it looks
like they just plan to have cameras set up all over,
Mike set up all over and just have a twenty
four to seven stream from them.
Speaker 5: Just can you get access to their stream for your channel?
Speaker 4: See, that will be something that I would have to
get in contact with. I met one of the guys
that is running it, if I recall I think his
name was like Steven or something like that. He he
seemed really open. He was super excited to see people
recording in there already. He was like, Oh, come back
when we're fully open. We got all the games on everything.
So it seems like they're super inviting. I don't know
if they're going to inherently give away any of the
recording from their broadcast, but I think if you're big enough,
I'm sure they would.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, because that would make the influencers job
so much easier if they didn't have to do the
recording themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just show up and gamble and get sent
all the clips. That'd be awesome. Yeah, yeah, like the
best case scenario. But I guess to sum up the
whole question, the only struggle that we get is like
sometimes smaller casinos and table games, they're really reluctant to
just let people come up and record anything on a
table just because they don't know whose eyes on the
other end of the camera.
Speaker 3: I presume.
Speaker 5: Well, also, you know, I just today got an email
about the World Game Protection Conference that's coming up, and
all the talk is about electronics because you know, there
were a number of scams that were caught in the
last year that involved you know, cameras that were seeing
the whole cards and recording Bakara shoes and things like that,
and so they're really paranoid about cameras being around table games.
So that doesn't surprise.
Speaker 4: Me, and I think, you know, it's something that that's
going to be a problem for us now. But you know,
ten fifty one hundred thousand subs or followers, I'm sure
we're going to be able to kind of get past that.
You know, they're going to see it more as a
business expense to let us do that unless, of like,
should we allow players to be.
Speaker 5: You were talking about how much leverage you have as
an influencer when asking for things that a normal player
could never get. Can you give us some more examples
of that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4: You know, I think the best example I have, which
I will will definitely have to leave unnamed, But I
do know of an influencer who reinstated some people at
some casinos, so definitely get them reallowed back.
Speaker 5: In oh after they'd been eighty six yeah.
Speaker 1: Correct, eighty six for winning too much?
Speaker 3: Presume yeah, eight, I presume it's table games.
Speaker 4: You know, they got backed off and we're let go,
and at this point now they're definitely allowed back into
gamble and it's just because they're affiliated with that group,
So you know, I know that's a really big thing.
But like you said, I mean the offers you can get.
You know, I'm sure if it was a big casino
and it wasn't in where I'm typically playing, they might
offer me show up money or a show up depositive number,
or you know, airfare and comps and something crazy. But
most of the time, you know, and I have worked
with some influencers to try to get them some of
these stuff, and it's pretty ridiculous how much they're valued
from a casino's eyes.
Speaker 5: It's such a big turnaround from just a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 1: So say you are playing a high limit some link
game with the word link in there. There's a bunch
of them, and you, because you're an advantage player, you
have numbers that if this is above this this amount,
I'm going to play it. If it's below this amount,
I'm going to let the suckers play it. Yeah, when
you're filming, do you insist on having the edge or
do you just film anyway? Or how does that work?
Speaker 4: Really depends? You know, if I see a number that's ridiculous,
you know, if it's a huge bet and it's ridiculous,
I'll probably get some film out of it. But if
it's a couple bucks, like a spin and it's really good,
I might just you know, kind of win that bonus
and kind of move on without filming it. You mean,
without filming it. Yeah, But some of the stuff it's
like I can't pass up. You know, I'm playing one
hundred and twenty five bucks of spin or I'm playing
you know, three hundred bucks a spin. I don't care
what the link number says. You know, maybe I won't
show it in the beginning. You know, maybe I'll get
you know, plenty through it and then start recording so
it you know, I'm not showing exactly where like.
Speaker 3: My hard numbers are.
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm more I'm more like to avoid
as much a piece of as I can. But you know,
if that's all I'm recording, there's only so much I
can avoid.
Speaker 1: Because like in Vegas, Matt he will do a regal
link and start with the green at seventies, which is
way below where an AP would play it, and he's
just making big deal. He's gonna take the green to
the end. It has to go off by one hundred,
and it'll be for a large amount and clearly not
a good play. He'll lose. It can take a while,
but he'll usually he doesn't break even on it, but
he gets very excited as he goes along, and the
various jackpots along the way.
Speaker 4: With that, you know, I could probably name a couple
ways to make money off just recording something that's not
positive in the beginning as an influencer.
Speaker 5: But well, yeah, if they're giving you ten thousand, just
to show a walk.
Speaker 4: In the door, right, Yeah, you know, money off the
top of that point. But I'm in the sense of,
like I probably without even show up. Essentially, if you're asking,
like all the different ways, you know, some sort of
revenue as an influencer without having these big bonuses, is
just using your content as efficiently as possible, I mean,
clipping out the big stuff, using it to promote the
long form video of like you said, you know, we're
going to hit this is over, or we're gonna you know,
play this jackpot until this pops, or we're going to
go until we hit the major. You know, you can
use that content on multiple different platforms and in multiple
different ways, which I think is very valuable.
Speaker 5: But it seems like almost a much bigger job is
handling all the editing and uploading and all of that.
I mean, so, but are you Are you doing that
for your whole group single handedly for everybody?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: But do I help with them a good amount of it? Yeah,
you know, I single handedly kind of do it for
two of the channels right now. But as much of
that work we can get delegated and or just handled
easily will probably be the route we take we're trying
to record in a way that makes it a little
bit easier to make clips and also easier to do
long form when we want to. But it, like you said,
you know, that is probably the biggest challenge that we're
running into now, just because we have an infinite stream
of content. You know, we always could be running around,
you know, trying to find slots that we want to play.
We can always record them, it's just finding the time
in the day outside of that to basically chop and stitch,
edit them up a little bit and get them on
the internet. You know, a lot of our focus right now,
since we're all very small, is shorter form content. You know,
shorter form content really helps you grow. It's what most
people see. People doom scroll all day long, night, day,
mid day, you know, all the time. So those shorter
form content is really where the majority of the early
views come from. But you know, later down the line,
we will be making shorts to keep promoting our big
form content. But where the money will come from, YouTube
wise will be big form content and or what a
ca you know, wants to offer us.
Speaker 1: Are you selling coffee cups and T shirts and clever
sayings so to your will.
Speaker 4: You know right now that the hoodie that I got
on right now is merchandise from one of our guys.
But it is not the end all be all. We're
done a ton more like.
Speaker 1: A ya be fourteen and winning sluts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, money time, you know, it's always good and okay,
So you mentioned he's leaping lizards and your channel is
called Chuck's Luck.
Speaker 3: That is me at Chuck's Luck.
Speaker 4: But it's funny, you know, we'll be sitting in the
casino and bad example, we have a quarter million jackpot
you know, on the screen, and you know you got
to wait some time for that hand pay. So we're
all kind of just hanging out in the high limit room.
There's a bunch of guys, camera equipment. I mean, he'll
gain fifteen followers just from having the jackpot on the
screen for fifteen to twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: So so if you hit.
Speaker 5: A quarter million jackpot, did they literally come, I'll pay
you to fifty in cash at the machine or do
you have to go to the page?
Speaker 4: And well, most of the time, you know, I if
the you know, if what we're doing is done and
we'll take the cash, then yeah, you know, they they
will hand you that much cash there on the floor.
But most of the time we want, yeah, tickets, you
don't want to because like they'll give you a ticket
for fifty thousand dollars and you know, it's either one
ticket for fifty thousand or I'm putting five hundred bills
into the machine and I'm gonna jam the reader. So
you know, I got a Most of the time, it's
it's more convenient to get them in slips and then
just cash out at the cage. But you know, at
the end, you know, if it's a big win and
we want it for the camera, we'll have them bring
out some cash.
Speaker 1: You get that on camera, getting paid, getting your hand
out for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, Your hand's
going to be out there.
Speaker 4: While yeah, yeah, well they'll just they put the brick
in your hand, they go, here's fifty.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I need to.
Speaker 5: What about security, I mean, go into your car.
Speaker 4: You know, that is definitely something we're gonna do a
little bit more work on as of right now. You know,
Oh yeah, we don't. I mean we we almost never
leave property. I think I spend like ninety five percent
of my time in Vegas on a casino floor or.
Speaker 5: Or in a room at that casino.
Speaker 4: The five percent was sleeping on the in the casino hotel,
was just running around me.
Speaker 1: Casino, you don't sleep.
Speaker 3: That's the that's for the dead or the really, really
really rich.
Speaker 4: But at this point, you know, I think security's definitely
on our mind, especially when we're handling, you know, this
level of money on the internet. But since like nobody's
really blown up over one hundred thousand or over fifty thousand,
we haven't had much experience with anything weird. But I'm sure,
you know, based on who I work with and kind
of how everyone thinks, I'm sure right as soon as
we ran into one instance of somebody being semi weird,
or a day where a ton of people approach us
or anything like that would be the day where it's like, okay,
Like it's not a maybe we want this, maybe we
need this, it's a let's get security. But most of
the time we feel pretty comfortable, and casinos are are
more than happy to get a security or yeah, send
somebody off with us, Chuck.
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting conversation. I now know a
lot more about things that I didn't know about before.
Thank you.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I have one last question. This is my
new my new question for guests. Favorite restaurant in Las
Vegas that's not in a casino.
Speaker 4: Oh, I got one. It's already locked and loaded. It's
not even really a restaurant. But Tacos El Gordo.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: I love me some good tacos. The pork there is outstanding.
Speaker 5: Okay, where is that?
Speaker 3: That's a right across from Resorts World.
Speaker 5: But they have more than one location, I believe.
Speaker 4: So yeah that that I always go to that one though,
the right across from Resorts World.
Speaker 3: That's the one that lives in my all Right, good Tacos, very.
Speaker 1: Good, Thank you, very informative. Thank you, Rich go out
and hit lots of royal flushes, everybody. Good day.
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