1 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Good afternoon. You're listening to Gambling with an Edge. Now 2 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:17,399 here are your hosts, Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin. Good afternoon, 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,839 Welcome to Gambling with an Edge. 4 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:22,679 Speaker 2: Bob Dancer and I'm Richard Munchkin. Today our guest is 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,160 named Chuck. He plays slots, bet sports, and does some 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,920 other things. What you're going to hear about Chuck, Welcome 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,000 to Gambling with an Edge. 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:31,399 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for the welcome. 9 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Bob. 10 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:33,359 Speaker 4: Sorry I cut you off there for a second. I'm 11 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:34,520 just kind of excited to talk. 12 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: So Chuck, how did you get into ap work? 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,039 Speaker 4: Well, so, when I was just about sixteen, i'd met 14 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:46,679 some would say, pretty much started a very long conversation. 15 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:48,240 You know, he used to do a lot of blackjack, 16 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,399 i'd five six years ago. 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:51,719 Speaker 3: Is he no stuff? 18 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:53,439 Speaker 4: Then? I think some of the value he could get 19 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,320 out of it, And I'd always talk to him, you know, 20 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:57,759 we keep up, you know, three years and I told him, 21 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:00,520 you know, one day when I'm twenty one, definitely gonna 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,719 be doing my best to work for you or work 23 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:04,640 with you, or do something. Because he was always finding 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,680 a new way or somehow to make money doing what 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,840 he does. And I've probably never heard another story other 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,799 than what he does now, So I don't you know, 27 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,000 I think he's found a lot of success in an 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,599 ap and that's kind of where I started to get 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:19,560 a lot of my information. 30 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 5: How did you know him when you were Was he 31 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:23,840 like a family friend or something? 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: Just an acquaintance I met as a friend, you know, 33 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,799 kind of introduced from some other people, and then outside 34 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,560 of that, we just kind of clicked and I'm a 35 00:01:31,719 --> 00:01:33,719 closer from there, which was always just more down to 36 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,120 earth person and it just kind of stemmed into, oh, like, 37 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:38,239 what do you like to do outside of this? 38 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,159 Speaker 3: I always do similar stuff, you. 39 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 4: Know, hang out, and you know, now we end up 40 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:43,920 working together, which is probably some of the best best 41 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:44,879 stuff that's wrapping in me. 42 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,879 Speaker 5: So when you turned twenty one, what what did you 43 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:52,079 You went to him and said, Okay, I'm twenty one, Like. 44 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, work funnily enough, Yeah, I turned twenty one. I 45 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:57,640 think I may have shot him at text like four 46 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,920 days after I turned twenty. You know, I was reading that, 47 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:04,319 I know, right, Surprisingly, I was selling cars. 48 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: I working eleven to thirteen hour days. Love what I did. 49 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 4: But you know, there was one week where I had 50 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,719 to take completely awful work. They sent me off and 51 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:17,400 I told him about it. This was maybe a month 52 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:19,520 after I had turned twenty one. We had connected when 53 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,639 I turned twenty one, but I didn't do anything right away. 54 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,120 It was like, Oh, you should do this, or you 55 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,280 should do that. I didn't want to quit my job 56 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,800 right away because I didn't instant value for me back 57 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:30,240 me up forever. Then when I had this week off, 58 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,960 he flew me out to Vegas. I mean, I had 59 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,439 quite the week in Vegas. We ran all over the town, 60 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:37,840 played a bunch of slots, learned a lot of stuff, 61 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:40,599 and honestly, it started to become a little bit more 62 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,000 real because a lot of I feel like to the 63 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,400 naked eye or somebody who doesn't know what you guys know, 64 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,599 the ways that some people end up actually making ap 65 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:50,039 or gambling with an edge. 66 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: It's just like you wouldn't believe it unless you fit 67 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:52,599 see it. 68 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 4: You'd be like, there's no way this casino would let 69 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,960 you do this, or you could stumble upon something with 70 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,719 that much value in it, you know, without I don't know, 71 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:03,960 there's just nothing tangible to it. It's kind of kind 72 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,439 of crazy. I would have never assumed that anyone can 73 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:06,759 do it. 74 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: Right, and if they tell you what they do, you 75 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:11,560 go you don't believe them. It's like you don't think 76 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:11,879 it's over. 77 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, or you make money playing slock machines. 78 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:16,039 Speaker 1: Yay. 79 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,159 Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm close with my parents, and I 80 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,479 told them all, I'm going out to Vegas, like, you know, 81 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,199 this is something I think I want to do and 82 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,280 this and that they they kind of just laughed at 83 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:28,360 me and kind of like didn't believe. And again I 84 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,319 didn't either, you know. That's I went to the point 85 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:31,639 where he was like, oh, I'm going to fly you out. 86 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,039 I just thought I was going to have fun and 87 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:35,639 you know, made some good money that weekend. I was like, 88 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:39,080 why do I even Why do I clock in every day? 89 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,560 Like I if I could just be doing this and 90 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,560 I could make my own hours and if I wanted 91 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,520 to work twenty hours in one day, if I wanted 92 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,240 to work for I can wait. 93 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Son. 94 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,199 Speaker 5: This is your first trip to Vegas we're talking about. 95 00:03:48,919 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: Now, right, so not my first trip, my second trip 96 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:51,759 to Vegas. 97 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 4: The first trip I think we made, I want to 98 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,199 say it was just south of twenty five thousand dollars. 99 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,240 And that's just like as a I think there was 100 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,680 like three or four of us. I don't I don't 101 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,280 really call. 102 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,639 Speaker 5: And this was playing slot machines strictly slots. 103 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was only slots. This was just you know, 104 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,319 gambling on slot machines. 105 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: And the second trip, you know, we had some bigger slots, 106 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,599 higher limits, if you will, and we had to really 107 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:17,040 lock down a lot of money. 108 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,199 Speaker 3: And we also had a lockdown a seat. 109 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 4: So I was kind of the who drew the short 110 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:21,600 straw there and I kind of sat in the same 111 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:23,920 spot for I want to say it was like six 112 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:28,519 or seven hours or something like that, not playing, just 113 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,399 set just sitting in a spot, kind of holding it 114 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:32,600 down in the high limb room, like eating cookies and 115 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:33,240 drinking water. 116 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 5: That's the glitter and glamor of the gambling business. 117 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, the the glitter is you know, 118 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,240 fast forward, you know, four hours after my seat holding 119 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,519 was done, and I got a million dollars cash in 120 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,720 my lap and we're sitting at a table, you know, 121 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:50,759 having some of the best steak I've ever had, you know, 122 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:52,920 and man, I will okay, no, wait. 123 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,199 Speaker 5: So you got to back up, but we can't jump 124 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,639 from I had to sit in a chair for six hours, 125 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:00,279 I had a million dollar. 126 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: It's funny because go ahead, Well. 127 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 5: So you're you were waiting to get the cat, your 128 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,439 partner was waiting to get the cash to play this machine. 129 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,920 And then how much was it per spin? 130 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,959 Speaker 4: If I recall correctly, it was I think it was 131 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:20,879 twenty five hundred dollars and no, it ran, It ran 132 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,439 pretty well. 133 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: You know, I don't think I guess not what it was. 134 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,600 But you know, did you. 135 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: Hit the grand jack putt and the horror. 136 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:36,959 Speaker 4: Just got a lots pretty good some good jackpots, I think, 137 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:39,439 you know, the I think some of the math behind it. 138 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,120 You know, we could have won, you know, anywhere in 139 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:44,000 like the couple of millions of dollars. I think it 140 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,439 was like four or five million dollars. So we did 141 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,920 win good? Did we max win? No? 142 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,399 Speaker 3: Did we lose? 143 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 4: No? 144 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: So I mean it was a very good trip, nonetheless, 145 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,720 But that was my intro. Like I you're like, wait, 146 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:56,800 like it was. 147 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 4: I had no experience with this amount of money all like, 148 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,079 not even a little bit. 149 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:03,439 Speaker 3: I sat on this machine. 150 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: I didn't even really know what kind of limits we're playing, 151 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,560 Like I understood it, but I didn't. And then we 152 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,720 spun the slot it paid really well. It did what 153 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,720 it was supposed to do. You know, we went upstairs 154 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,720 I'm counting out a million dollars with some people I 155 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,120 just met, you know, making for everybody gets their chunk 156 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,279 at change kind of understanding how it works, and it 157 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:23,079 was it was pretty cool. 158 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: I mean it was literally like a movie. 159 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 4: You could have cut from the beginning of that day 160 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:27,600 to the end and made it a whole film. 161 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:29,519 Speaker 3: A film. Were you the. 162 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 5: One spinning and getting the w twog? 163 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:34,399 Speaker 3: No, thank god, I was not. So that. That was 164 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:35,560 part of the logistics too. 165 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:37,439 Speaker 4: It's like, if I were to be the one to 166 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:40,360 walk in, they'd be like, hey, how do you have 167 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,000 this much money? And I would support her back that. 168 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,480 So there's definitely some hoops. There's a lot of hoops. 169 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,079 You know. You would literally, you know, if you work 170 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:50,279 in the field, you would understand that like might be 171 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,120 a hoop or might be something that you would run into. 172 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,560 But if you just heard about this information and you 173 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,480 one hundred percent believed it, you'd think it's the easiest 174 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:58,040 thing in the world. 175 00:06:58,079 --> 00:06:59,079 Speaker 3: You just go and you play this. 176 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 4: But there's definitely a lot of things that come up 177 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:03,600 that you have to overcome, which is what I feel 178 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,720 like a lot of people are good at that that 179 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,560 find success in gambling with an edge. It's just being 180 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,519 able to overcome slight objections and kind of keep moving forward. 181 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,839 Speaker 1: Okay, just staying on this big play. You might have 182 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,040 had five or ten million dollars worth of W two 183 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:19,879 g's that day. How is that split among your group? 184 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,639 Speaker 4: So we you know, the man that was spinning that, 185 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:26,720 if I recall correctly, had plenty a lot and I 186 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,639 get tucked under their ro But. 187 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 5: So you got a BP who who could handle having 188 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:34,639 a W two g like that? 189 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,199 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, for sure. 190 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:39,879 Speaker 4: And I think there's been instances where it's handled otherwise. 191 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:42,680 But you know, most of the time, I think with 192 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,079 the people that I work with, it's so much more 193 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,839 convenient if they can handle the W two's and they 194 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,279 have losses that back that and or some sort of 195 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:52,040 accounting that old. 196 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's often difficult though to find you like, guys 197 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:59,560 who have those kind of massive losses. It means they, 198 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:02,959 you know, already have a lot of money, and they're 199 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:07,079 not used to like following directions and taking orders, especially 200 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,480 from a guy who looks about fourteen. 201 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it definitely does raise a lot of trouble sometimes, 202 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:17,920 but you know, it's handled very professionally, and a lot 203 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,600 of the people that I've worked with again have done 204 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:22,000 this for for so long now that you know, I 205 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,600 kind of just work behind them. I'm not in control 206 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:26,639 of a lot of the stuff where it's like finding 207 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,160 and locating a BP, but you know, if it's holding 208 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,240 down a seat, hanging out. I mean, I hustle sawts 209 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,600 on my own. You know, they have me bet sports, 210 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:36,879 which is another thing that we'll definitely talk about as 211 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,840 a fun experience bet in sports in Mississippi. 212 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 5: But well, yeah, I don't Why don't we go to 213 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,919 that because you got scammed in Mississippi in a way 214 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,879 that I had never heard of and didn't know was possible. 215 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,559 So why don't you tell us that story? 216 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 4: So I'll start it from where I was in the beginning, 217 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:03,720 because because I complained about what had taken place at 218 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,360 that kiosk to my friends before I had even known 219 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,360 i'd lost sixteen hundred bucks. I I was sitting there 220 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,440 betting the kiosk, you know, as people do, you know, 221 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,759 throwing some hundreds in there, getting my bets in. 222 00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:15,799 Speaker 3: It was what it was. 223 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 4: But these guys came up and approached me, and this 224 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,879 happens sometimes you know, you're you're betting sports, people ask you, 225 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:21,480 oh what are you betting? 226 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: Oh what's the pick? 227 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 5: What's this? 228 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 4: And that these guys went a little bit overboard. They 229 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,000 started getting a little too close to me. One of 230 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:29,000 them masked at one point like, oh, do you mind 231 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,919 if I see your tickets? And I was like I 232 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,759 drew the line there. I was like, yeah, I definitely mind, 233 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,399 Like I'd prefer you didn't touch my things. Then he 234 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,720 just took them off the kiosk, like just. 235 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,399 Speaker 5: Tell you you were making your bets and putting the 236 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,879 tickets on top of the key on the yeah, like 237 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:43,639 on the lee Edge key. 238 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,799 Speaker 3: There was like a teny little ledge. 239 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:47,039 Speaker 4: We had two bets on there, and I had like 240 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,840 I don't know, like seven hundred more bucks in my hand. 241 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,320 I was going to throw into another bet, so I'm 242 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,399 like inserting this money down into it and they walk up, 243 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,240 start the conversation. 244 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: They take the tickets. 245 00:09:56,919 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 4: Unbeknownst to me, you know, behind my back, they were 246 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:03,200 throwing eyes at each other, taking pictures of my tickets, 247 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,519 you know, and that raises its own red flags. 248 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: If I had noticed that. 249 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 4: You know, maybe I would have acted a little bit, 250 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:12,000 but you know, to me, I finished place in my bet, 251 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,679 I turned around, I snatched my tickets, I left. They 252 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,360 didn't get any of my info, they didn't take my tickets, 253 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:20,200 they didn't get whatever. So you know, I chalked it 254 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:21,639 up to that was really weird. I'm never going to 255 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,480 bet there alone, like some at least stand with me 256 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:24,320 to tell these guys. 257 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 3: To like go away. 258 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: Fast forward next day, literally twenty four hours from that day, 259 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,360 I'm going to place some more bets at the same place, 260 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:33,840 scanning some of my tickets. They're allowing me to just 261 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,000 deposit from scanning the ticket outside the machine, just onto 262 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,639 onto the kiosk, so I can just keep playing bets, 263 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,000 which is like relatively normal practice if I'm not mistaken. 264 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:46,039 But I came down to one of the tickets and 265 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,039 it was a winner, but it wasn't letting me cash, 266 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,320 so I went up to the counter. The people at 267 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,240 the counter had let me know that it was already cashed. 268 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,360 So do you have any info on when? 269 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: How where? 270 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,519 Speaker 4: They said, at five thirty am. You know, I looked 271 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,440 at that guy. It all made sense, like right after 272 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,960 he said five thirty am. You know, I kind of 273 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,360 put two and two together that these guys must have 274 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:08,279 taken my tickets, taken a picture of them, and then 275 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,360 scanned the picture on the kiosk, and then from there 276 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:15,600 they just hit withdraw and took that little cash voucher 277 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,039 up to the counter. And they did an id him 278 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:18,960 when they took him up to the counter. So they 279 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,080 just got paid out sixteen hundred and kind I guess, so, yeah, I. 280 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,399 Speaker 5: Did not even I had no idea that you could 281 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,600 scan a picture of a ticket and that it would 282 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:31,799 read it. 283 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. 284 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it makes sense it's a QR 285 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,639 code or whatever, or a bar code, but yeah, I 286 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:42,600 just unbelievable. But now, the thing that's really crazy about 287 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,919 this story is the way that casino reacted. 288 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. 289 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 4: So after I had like gone upstairs and you know, 290 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:52,399 they had told me it was cashed, you know, I 291 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:54,120 didn't want to raise a fuss with that guy. 292 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,039 Speaker 3: I knew he couldn't do much. 293 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,399 Speaker 4: I just asked if he could finally bring me a 294 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:58,039 manager of the sports book or if there's anyone I 295 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:00,000 could talk to. Said, there was somebody on the grid, 296 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,519 so he can get them for me, goes and grabs 297 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:04,679 the manager and I explained the story just how I 298 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,799 explained it to you, and the manager started off with saying, well, 299 00:12:08,799 --> 00:12:11,360 you're very far from getting any money compensation from us. 300 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,600 I was like, well that, first of all, that's not 301 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,759 what I was asking, you know. The main thing I 302 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:17,200 was like, this. 303 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 5: Was this a manager of the sports book, which was 304 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:21,840 DraftKings by the way. 305 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, DraftKings. So this was the manager of the sports 306 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:31,200 book at the DraftKings. And he was probably by far 307 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,840 out of everyone I had spoken to, the least helpful, 308 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:37,840 if not probably the opposite. He literally looked me dead 309 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:40,159 in the face and said, you're a grown ass man. 310 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:42,679 Can't keep track of your own tickets. I was like, 311 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,600 I have the physical ticket here in my hand, you know, 312 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,039 like I'm I'm not trying to make a joke. I'm 313 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,919 not trying to take money from you. You can check 314 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:51,480 the cameras. I know for a fact that's going to 315 00:12:51,519 --> 00:12:54,879 support everything I'm saying. But this is what's going on. 316 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,320 Is there anything you can do? And you know, he 317 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,600 was being very reluctant to even take any of my 318 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,480 info down. You know, he went and grabbed a long 319 00:13:02,519 --> 00:13:04,320 sheet he wanted me to just like fill out my 320 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:05,759 name and my phone number on it, and I was like, 321 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:06,960 you guys are never going to get back to me 322 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,360 if I just put my name my phone number on 323 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,000 the sticky note, like I need you. 324 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:10,919 Speaker 3: Guys to reach back. 325 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 4: The buddy that I was there with when cashing the 326 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,399 tickets brought up the Gaming Commission. He just goes, well, 327 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,919 you know, if you can't fix anything or you don't 328 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:20,159 want to sell anything, do you have the number of 329 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,720 the Gaming Commission? And he just turns the corner, comes 330 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:24,039 back around and goes, you guys have to leave. You 331 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,039 brought the Gaming Commission. I can't talk to you guys anymore. 332 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:29,600 And then that was it. We brought up the gaming Commission. 333 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:31,879 He cut us off and he was done, Oh wait. 334 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 5: I'm who is us? There was somebody there with you? 335 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one of my friends that I bet with, 336 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,559 you know, in my hometown state. He was also there 337 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,840 with me in Mississippi. He wasn't there at the time 338 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:43,440 I was placing the bets, but was there when I 339 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,000 was placing the second bets and cashing the first one. 340 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 5: Wow. So so okay, you brought up you said the 341 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:54,399 magic words gaming commission no longer allowed to speak to you, 342 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,639 So now what do you do? 343 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,159 Speaker 3: So go downstairs? I was, I mean, I was livid. 344 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,159 Speaker 4: My blood was boiled and I don't really get mad 345 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,559 very easily, and I was just like, this is the 346 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,440 worst way I've ever seen a casino handle this. And 347 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,440 keep in mind, the wager on this bet was seven 348 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,960 hundred bucks, the payout was sixteen. When I went upstairs, 349 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:15,000 I never thought I was going to get paid my 350 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:17,639 full winning amount, you know, after I had realized what 351 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,120 was happening. But what I really thought was going to 352 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:22,039 happen was I was going to get my wager back 353 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,279 and then until further notice, possibly evenings. That's how I 354 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:28,840 thought the conversation was going to go. So when that 355 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:32,519 didn't happen, I was pretty upset. I walked downstairs. I 356 00:14:32,559 --> 00:14:36,720 talked to the security manager and this guy was whispering 357 00:14:36,759 --> 00:14:38,960 at me. So a lot of the words that he 358 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,039 said didn't really connect. He was literally whispering at me. 359 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,360 But the main point that he got to after I 360 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,279 explained the whole story, he kind of just said, there's 361 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,600 nothing the casino is going to do, and I'm, for 362 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,559 lack of a better word, kind of fucked in that regard, 363 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,200 and I was like, what yeah. 364 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 5: Literally said that. 365 00:14:57,559 --> 00:15:02,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. At that point, I was just like okay. So 366 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:06,360 I called the Gaming Commission. They didn't answer me. 367 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,679 Speaker 1: What do you mean, what do you mean? 368 00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:11,279 Speaker 4: Nobody answered the phone. Nobody answered the phone. I left 369 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:15,600 the voiceman, so I called the PD. The PD sounded 370 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:17,600 super on top of it. They said they were going 371 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:20,320 to send somebody to me, you know. Ten minutes after 372 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,879 waiting for that, they called me back and said they 373 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:23,600 were busy, so I had to come down. 374 00:15:23,399 --> 00:15:26,159 Speaker 3: To the police department. So I'm like okay. 375 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: So I make my way down to the police department. 376 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,720 I file a whole report. I even still have the 377 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,279 little note that they give you with like the whole 378 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,000 complaint form and everything in my wallet. I'm waiting for 379 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:38,960 that thing to cash through. But the PD told me 380 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,240 all this is going to be a gaming thing. And 381 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:44,639 then the Gaming Commission called me the next day and 382 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:46,480 they're like, oh, this is going to be a personal 383 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:50,080 offense because they directly stole from you, not through the 384 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,240 gaming or anything. So then I went back to the PD. 385 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,440 They're like, oh, this has to do with casinos. Once 386 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,120 it gets to the DA, they're going to push it 387 00:15:57,159 --> 00:15:59,240 back to the commission. So it just looked like it 388 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:02,080 was just going to get bound essentially back and forth 389 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:05,159 between the Gaming Commission and the and the police department. 390 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,240 After I had shown what was going on and had 391 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,279 the evidence, you. 392 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 5: Got to see the surveillance footage, right. 393 00:16:13,039 --> 00:16:16,159 Speaker 4: So I didn't get to see the surveillance footage, but 394 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,600 I did get a call from the Gaming Commission, I 395 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,879 would say, five or six days after I had actually 396 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,480 left Mississippi, where he essentially told me everything. He validated 397 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,960 every word that came out of my mouth. He said 398 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,840 the video footage from the casino and from the Kiosk 399 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,960 support that these guys came up to me and took 400 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,480 pictures of my tickets. There is no audio, so they 401 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,120 don't have the audio to claim that I didn't give 402 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:45,360 them permission or anything like that. But I'm like, well, 403 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:47,559 put us in a room together. They either got a 404 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:49,759 sixteen hundred, but like they you know, find these guys 405 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:53,000 and they essentially said the casino didn't id them. Which 406 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,000 this is a hard, hard one for me because every 407 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,039 time I walk into a casino, I get ideed. I look, oh, 408 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,879 I understand he getting idd every time, but you know, 409 00:17:01,919 --> 00:17:05,039 in Mississippi, it takes forty five minutes to get twelve 410 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:07,319 hundred dollars jackpot. You know, at the time, this was 411 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,160 last year, twenty twenty five, Like, why would it be 412 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,680 any different or any different procedure for these guys to 413 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,680 walk up to the counter with sixteen hundred bucks, Like 414 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:16,039 you're not going to id them then? 415 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,079 Speaker 5: Well, plus, I'm sure that you know these guys this 416 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:23,599 was not their first time in that casino, and you know, 417 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,440 and they're probably there today. 418 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: Right, And that was another thing that I was talking about, 419 00:17:28,039 --> 00:17:30,599 just the way that I was talked to from the manager. 420 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,079 You know, there was only two scenarios in my head 421 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,480 was he's either heard this before, gone down this rabbit 422 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,400 hole and got nothing from it, or he knows about 423 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,799 it and he's cashing some money on it, or if 424 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:43,559 they're his friends or something, I'm like. 425 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 5: Chipping off his friends. Yeah. 426 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he was like, oh, you can just come 427 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:49,759 take pictures of you know, tickets, if you see people 428 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:51,680 put a lot of money in, you know, just free 429 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:56,440 roll their bet and win everything if they win. So wow, 430 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,799 that was kind of the the worst experience I had. 431 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:00,880 You know, I've been out of state plenty of times 432 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,200 to bet before, and I've literally never had anything close 433 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,400 to that ever happen. I've even really had people approach me, 434 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,119 try to grab my ticket, try to do anything like that. 435 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,160 You know, hindsight being twenty twenty, I can go up 436 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,440 to the counter and say, hey, you guys need my 437 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:18,119 ID to cash these tickets, or I just placed these 438 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,599 bets these guys did this, or. 439 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, never bet them on the shelf. 440 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a million things now whatever that 441 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,920 I'm going to do to reduce my risk from that. 442 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 5: So have you written it off completely or are you 443 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,799 still pursuing it in some way? 444 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: Oh? 445 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 4: I'm definitely still I'm definitely still pursuing it. You know, 446 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,519 I just just for me, because I don't think it's right. 447 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,400 I you know, for me, I get to gamble luckily 448 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,079 with with some sort of theoretical edge, so at the 449 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,440 end of the day, you know, I will make that 450 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,680 money back and some But to all the people that 451 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,000 go and place one hundred three hundred dollars bet, these 452 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:53,759 guys come up, you know, they think they're being cool. 453 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:56,319 I think this, and that turns out they're taking money 454 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:58,079 from them. I mean, they could be doing this to anybody, 455 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,359 and it literally just could be random strangers that are 456 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,559 just trying to play some sports, which is probably like 457 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,000 the biggest downside i'd think to all this is that 458 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000 it's probably just happening to random people every day. 459 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: Well, you're actually lucky that you only got ripped off 460 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,279 for sixteen hundred. Yeah, could have been. I don't know 461 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,599 everything you bet, but I suspect some of your bets 462 00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:20,039 are for bigger payoffs than that, So, you know, learning 463 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:24,079 the lesson for a relatively small amount of money is 464 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,839 money in the bank, so to speak, your fortune. 465 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and out of the it was three or four bet. 466 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:31,920 I think I placed four bets that day and they 467 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,839 got a hold of two of my tickets. The two 468 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,759 that they grabbed went one and two. The other two 469 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:38,440 bets one, So I went three and four that day 470 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,319 on those, so they would have I think they would 471 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:43,359 have cashed out close to five thousand dollars if they 472 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,079 hadn't taken a picture of all my tickets. So I definitely, yeah, 473 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,640 like you said, dodged a massive bullet, you know, very 474 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,480 small price to pay for probably the experience that I learned, 475 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,880 and like you know, the ability to cover my own 476 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,039 cover my own back when I go do these own things, 477 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:57,319 you know kind of yeah, you. 478 00:19:57,319 --> 00:19:59,599 Speaker 1: Would have been on this show without this happening to you. 479 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: I know. Right, everything's got a positive and it you 480 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:06,240 just got to find it, you know. 481 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 5: The other thing that's just crazy though, is DraftKings will 482 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,920 give away bonuses like water, right, sixteen hundred dollars for 483 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,319 them is nothing. The guy could have easily said, you know, 484 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:22,720 here's a sixteen hundred dollars free bit. 485 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and to them on that, like, I called separate DraftKings. 486 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,720 I tried to call their online. The only people that 487 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:32,160 got back to me from that were my hometown. Two 488 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:37,160 separate managers actually reached out and called I'm based in Arizona. 489 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:40,440 So some some of the guys in Scottsdale were We're 490 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,119 calling me there like hey, like we heard want to 491 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,920 tell us the story, you know, I tell them the story. 492 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,640 They're like, wow, that is ridiculous. That would never happen 493 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,119 in any of the states that were you know, majority 494 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,640 in That would never happen here in Arizona. 495 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,599 Speaker 3: That would never happen in Vegas. 496 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,559 Speaker 4: I would never you know, come to the sports book, 497 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:57,519 you know, beers on us aaptizers on us. We can 498 00:20:57,519 --> 00:20:59,279 try to get you a bonus, you know, we can 499 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:01,680 try to do something. But those are the only people 500 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,799 reaching out from DraftKings that actually try to make it right. 501 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:05,519 You know, none of the people that I physically talked 502 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:08,079 to that worked for DraftKings, or any of the people 503 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,640 that I had got on the phone with that were 504 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,720 in mist work for DraftKings. Wouldn't I make just people 505 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,440 in my hometown. 506 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm did you try talking to the casino people 507 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,559 rather than the DraftKings people? And were they equally not helpful? 508 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 4: So I did end up getting a phone call with 509 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:30,000 the executive of the of the play of the Golden Nugget, 510 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:31,880 and I told him, you know. 511 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:33,839 Speaker 3: Less about I. 512 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 4: Honestly, I spoke probably the most about my experience with 513 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,079 the manager at DraftKings and how he responded to what happened, 514 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:43,799 because I really feel like it was super unprofessional and 515 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:46,559 this guy handles thousands of dollars every day. Yeah, and 516 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:48,319 that was just around Christmas time. And the way that 517 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,880 phone call ended was with the executive saying, well, he's 518 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,200 gonna get a grace Christmas present of a visit to 519 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,440 my office. So I hope you have a good rest 520 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,680 of your day. And I haven't followed up with them, 521 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,440 but that was probably the only feedback I got from 522 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,279 the casino other than the head of security telling me 523 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,039 that I kind of out of luck. It's really interesting, 524 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:09,160 and like you said, I don't I don't know how 525 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,680 much sports, you know, kiosk stuff you guys have done, 526 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,559 but I would have never thought in a million years 527 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,519 that just a picture would work through those things. 528 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: It's pretty wild. 529 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:24,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's actually interesting because you could easily take 530 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,400 one home accidentally, and you know, you have to cash 531 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,160 them in within such and such a time period, and 532 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,279 you're halfway across the country. So if you have a 533 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,039 friend back there and they can do a picture that's. 534 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 3: A strain shot, you'll save your money for you. 535 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,759 Speaker 4: I mean, if they're not going to fix it, it's 536 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:45,799 they that point, they're promoting it. 537 00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 538 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: So you also work with YouTube, I do. 539 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a good place to go next. 540 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 4: So you know, like like you guys do that the 541 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,559 whole premise of the show, you know, gambling with an 542 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,920 edge one of the biggest things that you know, we 543 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,200 discovered while kind of looking for BPS. We ran into 544 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,079 some influencers and we talked to some people from media, 545 00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:12,680 and a lot of like the deals that they get 546 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,960 and all that revolving casinos was actually you know, well 547 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,279 worth well worth the time to the point where we 548 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:22,640 started working with them more learning about their content, how 549 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,799 much money they use to make videos, what kind of 550 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:29,000 returns they get on their videos, how well does that do, 551 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,599 you know, things of all that nature, kind of explaining 552 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:34,200 to us what they think about the whole YouTube game 553 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,480 in itself. And a lot of the people that you 554 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,480 know used to just do YouTube for gaming and YouTube 555 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,920 for social media, like just vlogging and being themselves. You know, 556 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,680 some of them have just started they just want to 557 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,319 do casino stuff. They just want to do slots because 558 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,480 not only are they getting you know, big deposit bonuses, 559 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,400 you know, they're getting calls from crypto casinos that are like, hey, 560 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,200 we'll give you ten thousand dollars a day to just 561 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,880 gamble on our on our casino. You know, you live 562 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,599 strink two hours and the ten thousand and as yours 563 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,839 mak er lose whatever. So the biggest thing that we 564 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,240 thought is, I mean, if we're going to be doing 565 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,640 all this gambling anyway, we're going to be playing all 566 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,319 this slots. We're just gonna be throwing this money at 567 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:12,279 these machines. I mean mine as well put it up 568 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:14,279 on the internet and show some people. And I mean 569 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:16,400 some of some of the stuff we even do, you know, 570 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,640 isn't even with an edge. You know, we're just we're 571 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,119 we're trying to build, you know, a platform at this point. 572 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,000 You know, we got a couple guys. I'm wearing one 573 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,599 of them's hoodie right now, the Leaping Lizard. You know, 574 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,880 he's probably he's probably our most famous guy that we 575 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,319 have doing this right now. But yeah, we just see 576 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,519 the benefit in it, you know, And there's really we're 577 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:36,359 trying to wrack our brains and see if there is 578 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,319 any downside or whether or not it would be worth 579 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,319 the time. But if it's something that we're going to 580 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,559 be doing anyway, you know, mine as well get the maximum. 581 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,519 Speaker 3: You know, juice for the squeeze, if that makes any sense. 582 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:50,839 Speaker 5: Well, it also seems like the upside is so much 583 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:56,039 bigger then you could ever make advantage gambling. I mean, 584 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,839 you know, Vegas matt is making you know what over 585 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,240 ten million dollars. 586 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 4: A year, so I can't imagine and I mean all 587 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920 of that is going to be compounded over time. They mean, 588 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,640 he's still going to be getting paid a videos that 589 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,880 he've hosted a year ago, you know. And this the 590 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,680 CPM on YouTube for gambling is great. I mean a 591 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,880 lot of people, if they're gonna sit and watch a slot, 592 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,119 they're going to watch it to the end. You know, 593 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,880 they're they're just as degenerate gamblers as the as the 594 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,240 rest of us at that point. You know, they just 595 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,000 want to see the end result. They just want to 596 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,559 see the spins, they want to see the bonuses, they 597 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,519 want to see the winds. So and I think if 598 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:31,359 they get tied to a person, I mean, it's just 599 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,680 like pretty much infinite views. Another thing that I'll talk 600 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,960 about then too is you know they're there's somebody who 601 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,359 I will definitely leave unnamed that I know is in 602 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,839 the in the media world that is very closely tied 603 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:47,119 to one of the casinos advertising for and the revenue 604 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,319 from that alone is. 605 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,599 Speaker 3: Like over a million dollars a week. 606 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 4: And I mean this is from super reliable sources, like 607 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,240 people I know that that would not joke around about 608 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:56,960 that kind of money. 609 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: So not only is. 610 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,319 Speaker 5: Streaming video poker sessions out there. 611 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: You know, I literally a million a week. That's more 612 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,359 than you and I make together, isn't it, Richard? 613 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 5: Ye, it would take us a month to make that. Yeah. Now, look, 614 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,920 I don't want to come come off as a big shot, okay, 615 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,519 but I do want you to know we make dozens 616 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:18,920 of dollars on YouTube. 617 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's all good, you know. 618 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,599 Speaker 4: And the main thing about it is, well, not only 619 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,559 is there really in my head or that I haven't seen, 620 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,240 it just opened so many doors, you know, to the 621 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:34,440 point where, like I think I've posted nine or ten 622 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,319 reels on my Instagram about gambling and about stuff like that, 623 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,200 and I've had two separate crypto casinos reach out trying 624 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,319 to ask how much I would charge to promote their stuff, 625 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,440 you know, what kind of regular base posting I can 626 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:49,440 do stuff like that. 627 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 5: So there's definitely a market really careful that they have 628 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,400 a don't have a reputation of ripping people off, right, right, Yeah. 629 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,559 Speaker 4: Right, And that's why I like the main goal for 630 00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:01,160 me right now is like, hey, that sounds cool and all, 631 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,960 but I feel like they're just trying to like pick 632 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,680 the fruit before it is right, you know, before they 633 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,440 have to pay full price for something you know, kind 634 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,680 of all will pay you this much you know now, 635 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,400 and then when you blow up, will continue to pay 636 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,599 you the same amount. So you know, I have more 637 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,240 more than enough aith for me than a couple of 638 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:18,400 my guys that are also doing this. 639 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,319 Speaker 3: It's they're all going to blow up, you know. 640 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 4: I mean it's at the end of the day, we're 641 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,119 posting not the same but very similar content to what 642 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,359 has gone plenty viral, and it's just a matter of 643 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,680 time for when the eyes hit it. 644 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: How easy is it to get casinos to agree to 645 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:39,440 let you film in their casino? And do they want 646 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,599 to be named? Do they not want to be named? 647 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:42,519 Speaker 4: No? 648 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: Hard is that for me? 649 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 4: I think if I'm the casino, right, I would want 650 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,440 my name everywhere on that screen, because you know, somebody 651 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,400 wins big, somebody wins. There's a bunch of reasons or philosophy, 652 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,599 like people want to be in a casino. So the 653 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,279 more promotion you can do, like hey I won this 654 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,079 a palaza, you can too, Or hey I won this 655 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,079 here at MGM Grand you can too. You know, any 656 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,319 words or any promotion is good promotion. The way I 657 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,599 see it, as a casino eye today. 658 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that the golden nugget is and blocks 659 00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:15,599 he's gonna agree with you after the day show. 660 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,759 Speaker 3: It would have been it would have been really good publicity. 661 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 4: Had I seen my sixteen hundred dollars that going from 662 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,799 their casino, you know, they probably would have been great publicity. 663 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:24,319 They took care of me when they didn't have to, 664 00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:28,279 but they did quite the opposite. In all honesty, I 665 00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:32,799 think for slots, for you know, small stuff like that, 666 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,319 it's really easy to just pull out the phone or record. 667 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,640 They don't really housle you too. I've only really struggled 668 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,240 with that in very smaller casinos for some reason other 669 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:46,440 than Caesar's properties. Caesar's properties, for whatever reason, are not 670 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,480 very easy to record in. Other than that, though, it's 671 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,759 almost welcome. I mean, they want you to come and 672 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,079 record slots. They want you to do that kind of stuff. 673 00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,559 There's a place opening in the palazzo. It's like social 674 00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:01,000 media room, so it's actually open to influences. Feel free 675 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,359 to come record all that kind of stuff, but they 676 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,359 actually plan on live streaming it. 677 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:09,279 Speaker 5: So, oh wait, is this a Palazza or yeah, Plaza, 678 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:13,039 Oh Plaza, I'm so sorry. Plaza yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 679 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,480 yeah yeah, so yeah, tell us more about that, what 680 00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:17,480 they're what they're doing. 681 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,079 Speaker 4: So I was actually there today, you know, and it's 682 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,680 a full room. It's got slots, it's got three different 683 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,039 table games, Roulette, Bacca Rot, and Blackjack, And it looks 684 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:28,519 like they just plan to have cameras set up all over, 685 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,480 Mike set up all over and just have a twenty 686 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,680 four to seven stream from them. 687 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,519 Speaker 5: Just can you get access to their stream for your channel? 688 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,039 Speaker 4: See, that will be something that I would have to 689 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,359 get in contact with. I met one of the guys 690 00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,440 that is running it, if I recall I think his 691 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,200 name was like Steven or something like that. He he 692 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,559 seemed really open. He was super excited to see people 693 00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,920 recording in there already. He was like, Oh, come back 694 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680 when we're fully open. We got all the games on everything. 695 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:57,960 So it seems like they're super inviting. I don't know 696 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,279 if they're going to inherently give away any of the 697 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,079 recording from their broadcast, but I think if you're big enough, 698 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:03,880 I'm sure they would. 699 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:08,559 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, because that would make the influencers job 700 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,799 so much easier if they didn't have to do the 701 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,000 recording themselves. 702 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, they just show up and gamble and get sent 703 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,319 all the clips. That'd be awesome. Yeah, yeah, like the 704 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,920 best case scenario. But I guess to sum up the 705 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920 whole question, the only struggle that we get is like 706 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,480 sometimes smaller casinos and table games, they're really reluctant to 707 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,480 just let people come up and record anything on a 708 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,799 table just because they don't know whose eyes on the 709 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:35,119 other end of the camera. 710 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: I presume. 711 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 5: Well, also, you know, I just today got an email 712 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,480 about the World Game Protection Conference that's coming up, and 713 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,400 all the talk is about electronics because you know, there 714 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,480 were a number of scams that were caught in the 715 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:56,759 last year that involved you know, cameras that were seeing 716 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:01,279 the whole cards and recording Bakara shoes and things like that, 717 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,440 and so they're really paranoid about cameras being around table games. 718 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,119 So that doesn't surprise. 719 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,559 Speaker 4: Me, and I think, you know, it's something that that's 720 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,400 going to be a problem for us now. But you know, 721 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,640 ten fifty one hundred thousand subs or followers, I'm sure 722 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,279 we're going to be able to kind of get past that. 723 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:22,200 You know, they're going to see it more as a 724 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,480 business expense to let us do that unless, of like, 725 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,079 should we allow players to be. 726 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,279 Speaker 5: You were talking about how much leverage you have as 727 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,640 an influencer when asking for things that a normal player 728 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,079 could never get. Can you give us some more examples 729 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:40,960 of that kind of stuff? 730 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,559 Speaker 4: You know, I think the best example I have, which 731 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,559 I will will definitely have to leave unnamed, But I 732 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:51,839 do know of an influencer who reinstated some people at 733 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:54,880 some casinos, so definitely get them reallowed back. 734 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 5: In oh after they'd been eighty six yeah. 735 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,559 Speaker 1: Correct, eighty six for winning too much? 736 00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,319 Speaker 3: Presume yeah, eight, I presume it's table games. 737 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 4: You know, they got backed off and we're let go, 738 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,799 and at this point now they're definitely allowed back into 739 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,200 gamble and it's just because they're affiliated with that group, 740 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,039 So you know, I know that's a really big thing. 741 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,880 But like you said, I mean the offers you can get. 742 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,759 You know, I'm sure if it was a big casino 743 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,279 and it wasn't in where I'm typically playing, they might 744 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,880 offer me show up money or a show up depositive number, 745 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,119 or you know, airfare and comps and something crazy. But 746 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,759 most of the time, you know, and I have worked 747 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,839 with some influencers to try to get them some of 748 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,039 these stuff, and it's pretty ridiculous how much they're valued 749 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:38,279 from a casino's eyes. 750 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 5: It's such a big turnaround from just a couple of 751 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:42,759 years ago. 752 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: So say you are playing a high limit some link 753 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,519 game with the word link in there. There's a bunch 754 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:56,680 of them, and you, because you're an advantage player, you 755 00:32:56,839 --> 00:33:00,440 have numbers that if this is above this this amount, 756 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,799 I'm going to play it. If it's below this amount, 757 00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:06,039 I'm going to let the suckers play it. Yeah, when 758 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:11,079 you're filming, do you insist on having the edge or 759 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,880 do you just film anyway? Or how does that work? 760 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,319 Speaker 4: Really depends? You know, if I see a number that's ridiculous, 761 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,759 you know, if it's a huge bet and it's ridiculous, 762 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,440 I'll probably get some film out of it. But if 763 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,880 it's a couple bucks, like a spin and it's really good, 764 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,759 I might just you know, kind of win that bonus 765 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,160 and kind of move on without filming it. You mean, 766 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,359 without filming it. Yeah, But some of the stuff it's 767 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,559 like I can't pass up. You know, I'm playing one 768 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,839 hundred and twenty five bucks of spin or I'm playing 769 00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:43,559 you know, three hundred bucks a spin. I don't care 770 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:45,319 what the link number says. You know, maybe I won't 771 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,880 show it in the beginning. You know, maybe I'll get 772 00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,799 you know, plenty through it and then start recording so 773 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,400 it you know, I'm not showing exactly where like. 774 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:55,359 Speaker 3: My hard numbers are. 775 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,319 Speaker 4: But you know, I'm more I'm more like to avoid 776 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,680 as much a piece of as I can. But you know, 777 00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,200 if that's all I'm recording, there's only so much I 778 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,279 can avoid. 779 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:10,639 Speaker 1: Because like in Vegas, Matt he will do a regal 780 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,440 link and start with the green at seventies, which is 781 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,559 way below where an AP would play it, and he's 782 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,599 just making big deal. He's gonna take the green to 783 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,480 the end. It has to go off by one hundred, 784 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,480 and it'll be for a large amount and clearly not 785 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,519 a good play. He'll lose. It can take a while, 786 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,800 but he'll usually he doesn't break even on it, but 787 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,000 he gets very excited as he goes along, and the 788 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:38,559 various jackpots along the way. 789 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 4: With that, you know, I could probably name a couple 790 00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,280 ways to make money off just recording something that's not 791 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,719 positive in the beginning as an influencer. 792 00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:50,079 Speaker 5: But well, yeah, if they're giving you ten thousand, just 793 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:51,440 to show a walk. 794 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 4: In the door, right, Yeah, you know, money off the 795 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,840 top of that point. But I'm in the sense of, 796 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,079 like I probably without even show up. Essentially, if you're asking, 797 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,119 like all the different ways, you know, some sort of 798 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,039 revenue as an influencer without having these big bonuses, is 799 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,199 just using your content as efficiently as possible, I mean, 800 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,800 clipping out the big stuff, using it to promote the 801 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,599 long form video of like you said, you know, we're 802 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,559 going to hit this is over, or we're gonna you know, 803 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,639 play this jackpot until this pops, or we're going to 804 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,920 go until we hit the major. You know, you can 805 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,639 use that content on multiple different platforms and in multiple 806 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,679 different ways, which I think is very valuable. 807 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,599 Speaker 5: But it seems like almost a much bigger job is 808 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:35,159 handling all the editing and uploading and all of that. 809 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:39,440 I mean, so, but are you Are you doing that 810 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,039 for your whole group single handedly for everybody? 811 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:43,159 Speaker 1: No? 812 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,639 Speaker 4: But do I help with them a good amount of it? Yeah, 813 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,159 you know, I single handedly kind of do it for 814 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,800 two of the channels right now. But as much of 815 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,119 that work we can get delegated and or just handled 816 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,559 easily will probably be the route we take we're trying 817 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,679 to record in a way that makes it a little 818 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,559 bit easier to make clips and also easier to do 819 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,599 long form when we want to. But it, like you said, 820 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,440 you know, that is probably the biggest challenge that we're 821 00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,760 running into now, just because we have an infinite stream 822 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,039 of content. You know, we always could be running around, 823 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,760 you know, trying to find slots that we want to play. 824 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,039 We can always record them, it's just finding the time 825 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,840 in the day outside of that to basically chop and stitch, 826 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,800 edit them up a little bit and get them on 827 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,280 the internet. You know, a lot of our focus right now, 828 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,320 since we're all very small, is shorter form content. You know, 829 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,920 shorter form content really helps you grow. It's what most 830 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,239 people see. People doom scroll all day long, night, day, 831 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,280 mid day, you know, all the time. So those shorter 832 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,880 form content is really where the majority of the early 833 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,960 views come from. But you know, later down the line, 834 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:55,119 we will be making shorts to keep promoting our big 835 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:57,360 form content. But where the money will come from, YouTube 836 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719 wise will be big form content and or what a 837 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,320 ca you know, wants to offer us. 838 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: Are you selling coffee cups and T shirts and clever 839 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,360 sayings so to your will. 840 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,519 Speaker 4: You know right now that the hoodie that I got 841 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,199 on right now is merchandise from one of our guys. 842 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,480 But it is not the end all be all. We're 843 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:18,679 done a ton more like. 844 00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,079 Speaker 1: A ya be fourteen and winning sluts. 845 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:27,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, money time, you know, it's always good and okay, 846 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:31,880 So you mentioned he's leaping lizards and your channel is 847 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,280 called Chuck's Luck. 848 00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:35,159 Speaker 3: That is me at Chuck's Luck. 849 00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 4: But it's funny, you know, we'll be sitting in the 850 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,760 casino and bad example, we have a quarter million jackpot 851 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,199 you know, on the screen, and you know you got 852 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,480 to wait some time for that hand pay. So we're 853 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,280 all kind of just hanging out in the high limit room. 854 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,920 There's a bunch of guys, camera equipment. I mean, he'll 855 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,639 gain fifteen followers just from having the jackpot on the 856 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,599 screen for fifteen to twenty minutes. 857 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 3: So so if you hit. 858 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 5: A quarter million jackpot, did they literally come, I'll pay 859 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,480 you to fifty in cash at the machine or do 860 00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,000 you have to go to the page? 861 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 4: And well, most of the time, you know, I if 862 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,440 the you know, if what we're doing is done and 863 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,639 we'll take the cash, then yeah, you know, they they 864 00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:14,679 will hand you that much cash there on the floor. 865 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,360 But most of the time we want, yeah, tickets, you 866 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,400 don't want to because like they'll give you a ticket 867 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,679 for fifty thousand dollars and you know, it's either one 868 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,920 ticket for fifty thousand or I'm putting five hundred bills 869 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,480 into the machine and I'm gonna jam the reader. So 870 00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:32,880 you know, I got a Most of the time, it's 871 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,719 it's more convenient to get them in slips and then 872 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,039 just cash out at the cage. But you know, at 873 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:38,400 the end, you know, if it's a big win and 874 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,079 we want it for the camera, we'll have them bring 875 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:40,760 out some cash. 876 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,679 Speaker 1: You get that on camera, getting paid, getting your hand 877 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,159 out for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, Your hand's 878 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:47,840 going to be out there. 879 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 4: While yeah, yeah, well they'll just they put the brick 880 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,519 in your hand, they go, here's fifty. 881 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, I need to. 882 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 5: What about security, I mean, go into your car. 883 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,119 Speaker 4: You know, that is definitely something we're gonna do a 884 00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:06,199 little bit more work on as of right now. You know, 885 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,079 Oh yeah, we don't. I mean we we almost never 886 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:12,639 leave property. I think I spend like ninety five percent 887 00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,960 of my time in Vegas on a casino floor or. 888 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:18,079 Speaker 5: Or in a room at that casino. 889 00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:22,079 Speaker 4: The five percent was sleeping on the in the casino hotel, 890 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,000 was just running around me. 891 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: Casino, you don't sleep. 892 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,079 Speaker 3: That's the that's for the dead or the really, really 893 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:28,639 really rich. 894 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,159 Speaker 4: But at this point, you know, I think security's definitely 895 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:34,679 on our mind, especially when we're handling, you know, this 896 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,800 level of money on the internet. But since like nobody's 897 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,320 really blown up over one hundred thousand or over fifty thousand, 898 00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:46,159 we haven't had much experience with anything weird. But I'm sure, 899 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,639 you know, based on who I work with and kind 900 00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,239 of how everyone thinks, I'm sure right as soon as 901 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,599 we ran into one instance of somebody being semi weird, 902 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,079 or a day where a ton of people approach us 903 00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,079 or anything like that would be the day where it's like, okay, 904 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:05,079 Like it's not a maybe we want this, maybe we 905 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,880 need this, it's a let's get security. But most of 906 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,679 the time we feel pretty comfortable, and casinos are are 907 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,840 more than happy to get a security or yeah, send 908 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,400 somebody off with us, Chuck. 909 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,519 Speaker 1: It was a very interesting conversation. I now know a 910 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,760 lot more about things that I didn't know about before. 911 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,159 Thank you. 912 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I have one last question. This is my 913 00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:30,519 new my new question for guests. Favorite restaurant in Las 914 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:32,360 Vegas that's not in a casino. 915 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,679 Speaker 4: Oh, I got one. It's already locked and loaded. It's 916 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,000 not even really a restaurant. But Tacos El Gordo. 917 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 2: Huh. 918 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 4: I love me some good tacos. The pork there is outstanding. 919 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,039 Speaker 5: Okay, where is that? 920 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,079 Speaker 3: That's a right across from Resorts World. 921 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 5: But they have more than one location, I believe. 922 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,199 Speaker 4: So yeah that that I always go to that one though, 923 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,599 the right across from Resorts World. 924 00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:58,599 Speaker 3: That's the one that lives in my all Right, good Tacos, very. 925 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: Good, Thank you, very informative. Thank you, Rich go out 926 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,519 and hit lots of royal flushes, everybody. Good day. 927 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 3: Free audio post production byophonic dot Com.