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<v Speaker 1>M Ramy. Let me check it out to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Barber is gonna roll by the NBA daily assist style.

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<v Speaker 2>Good NBA games yesterday, a couple of NFL games that

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<v Speaker 2>were just blowouts. The week of pro football wraps up tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We have the Thursday night game. It's the Bears in

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<v Speaker 2>the Seahawks. You'll hear that right after we say it

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<v Speaker 2>out at six o'clock. But let's do some more college football.

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<v Speaker 2>One of our favorites, the legend himself, Eric Weddle, on

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<v Speaker 2>a Thursday, he went, happy post Christmas, buddy, how are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing fantastic. Merry Christmas to you in the in

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<v Speaker 3>the SAM. I hope everyone had a great one. Good

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<v Speaker 3>to be on.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate your time as always. And you know, we find

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves in such an interesting landscape Eric, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been talking about it all show with college

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<v Speaker 2>football guests, excited to get your take on it. We

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<v Speaker 2>have free agency while the season is still going on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like coaches are trying to coach, Like Klone's

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready for a good game Allible Bowl against Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got like ten kids that are in the portal

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't going to play in the game. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there are teams that are trying to win a national

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<v Speaker 2>championship and coaches are trying to prepare for the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>games of the season, and their players are into the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer port, like help me fix the sport that you

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<v Speaker 2>and I both love.

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<v Speaker 3>God, I mean, that's gone a whole hour about this,

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<v Speaker 3>the way the state of college football is and how

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<v Speaker 3>it's affecting the high school kids the most. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>of all the kids that are getting the shafts and all,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the high school kids. And now it's this

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<v Speaker 3>JC rule going through. If it's stands with any coach

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<v Speaker 3>recruit high school kids when you can recruit JC kids

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<v Speaker 3>that have two years that won't count against their eligibility

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<v Speaker 3>for the four year schools. So there's a lot of craziness,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things that I don't agree with. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's pay to play. It's not name, image and likeness.

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<v Speaker 3>Where can I go to make the most money, And

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<v Speaker 3>it's not culture building. It's not what university could help

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<v Speaker 3>me become a great man. It's none of that. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to watch. Can fault the kids. The system

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<v Speaker 3>is what it is. How I fix it, I'd get

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<v Speaker 3>rid of the portal. I would put some regulations on

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<v Speaker 3>what you can earn or your name, image and likenes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not hey, give you a million dollars here to

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<v Speaker 3>come play for me. That's not what it was designed for.

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<v Speaker 3>So so many issues with it. It's just hard to

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<v Speaker 3>be involved with.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me from your end because you reference talent's affecting

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<v Speaker 2>a high school kid and that's your space. Now you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing some coaching, I would be genuinely curious, is somebody

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<v Speaker 2>like you who knows how to lead? You did it

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<v Speaker 2>as a player both in college and the pros. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you say to your kids as they're getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>to enter this space where they're going to hear from

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<v Speaker 2>colleges and potentially agents, Like how does a high school

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<v Speaker 2>coach handle the modern landscape of college football?

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<v Speaker 4>Right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Eric, you got to have a good head on your shoulders,

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<v Speaker 3>and you got to what's most important to you? Is

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<v Speaker 3>is it to make a quick buck or is it

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<v Speaker 3>to make relationships that I last a lifetime? Is it

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere where you can build the right attributes to be

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<v Speaker 3>a great man someday and to learn how to handle adversity,

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<v Speaker 3>learn how to be a good teammate, learn how to lead.

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<v Speaker 3>Those things happen to being part of a program, not

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<v Speaker 3>jumping program to program every six months, trying to learn

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<v Speaker 3>new system, try to learn your teammates, try to learn

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<v Speaker 3>the head coach like that stuff doesn't it least is

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<v Speaker 3>success in my opinion. So reality is is this is

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<v Speaker 3>what it is. I would hope for programs to start

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<v Speaker 3>emphasizing development and building from the youth with high school

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<v Speaker 3>kids and pouring into the younger guys that cherish and

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<v Speaker 3>value the culture and value the program and value the team.

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<v Speaker 3>We not meet type attitude. That's what I would focus

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<v Speaker 3>in instead of trying to get the quick fix of

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<v Speaker 3>a portal kid to just build some holes on your roster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's difficult because you also have a situation here in

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<v Speaker 2>Saul Lake Eric as we move over to the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Utah. I mean, coach with referenced the number of

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<v Speaker 2>forty players that they want to bring in and that's

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<v Speaker 2>both with high school recruits and coming to campus and

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<v Speaker 2>then the transfer portal as well. And that essentially means

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<v Speaker 2>that Utah football will be entirely rebuilt in one year.

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<v Speaker 2>And in pro football or pro basketball or pro sports,

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<v Speaker 2>you run into rebuilds every I don't know, six seven,

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<v Speaker 2>eight years. It depends on how smart your front office is.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on how good your ownership is. But right now,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of programs, namely the University of Utah, are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be marching out a team next year that's

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<v Speaker 2>totally rebuilt. Like what's what's what's reasonable to expect from

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<v Speaker 2>Utah football when they're really going to have a brand

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<v Speaker 2>new coaching staff in a lot of ways and a brand

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<v Speaker 2>new roster.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, yeah, I mean I don't I don't have the

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<v Speaker 3>answers to that. I just know turning over your roster

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<v Speaker 3>isn't in my opinion, Kay, I'm not in it, So

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<v Speaker 3>take my take my opinion with a grand assault, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that if you build, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers fifty to fifty high school support of kids,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it's seventy, you pick holes that you need an

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<v Speaker 3>immediate starter right now, but you develop from within. You

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<v Speaker 3>You almost like in the NFL, you reward a guy

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<v Speaker 3>that you drafted with a new contract because he earned

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<v Speaker 3>it and he's a great ambassador of your organization for

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<v Speaker 3>the city. Like it's no different now it's a college landscape.

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<v Speaker 3>So why do you want someone else that's leaving the

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<v Speaker 3>program for whatever reason as a stop gap. Well, if

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<v Speaker 3>you pour into the young guys in your programs, they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be loyal to you, Hugh Hope at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, I just don't understand for the

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<v Speaker 3>life of me, how even gets to a point where

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<v Speaker 3>you're entering the portal as a returning starter. Like they

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<v Speaker 3>need to crack down on the guardrails of who's communicating

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<v Speaker 3>with these kids. Who's the ones that are inside these

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<v Speaker 3>universities knowing what they can offer these kids if they

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<v Speaker 3>hit the portal, Like that needs to be real. That

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<v Speaker 3>should be nonny. This like these kids are returning starters

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<v Speaker 3>going to the portal for not how do they even

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<v Speaker 3>know that they're going to get that? Like that's it's

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<v Speaker 3>just slimy and wrong on so many ways and everyone's

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<v Speaker 3>doing it. But how is that not how is that

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<v Speaker 3>not Winstone that if you communicate with a kid then

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<v Speaker 3>that should be illegal and should the school should get

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<v Speaker 3>reprimanded for it, Like it's it's just it's just, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard, and it's unfortunate, you know, it's it really

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<v Speaker 2>is too bad.

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<v Speaker 4>But I will say, what does it say to you.

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<v Speaker 2>About the product of college football and the sport of

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<v Speaker 2>college football that even with the chaos off the field field,

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<v Speaker 2>the ratings keep rising and people still watch. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it has to speak to the power of what this

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<v Speaker 2>sport is that regardless of how bad the business is run,

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<v Speaker 2>consumers still consume it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say it's a great product.

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<v Speaker 3>The product is less than a year in a year

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<v Speaker 3>out with the rule changes, with the amount of turnover

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<v Speaker 3>on your roster every year. That limits what you can

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<v Speaker 3>do off of defensive questions. Okay, so that means you're

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<v Speaker 3>limiting what you can do, limiting what you can put

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<v Speaker 3>out there on the field. You can't stress them enough.

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<v Speaker 3>If they were in the system for one year, two year,

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<v Speaker 3>three years, well they know it. That means you could

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<v Speaker 3>expand it. That means you could push them harder. It's

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<v Speaker 3>you dummy it down so these guys can learn it

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<v Speaker 3>in a quick time. It means everyone's running the same crap.

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<v Speaker 3>The team spread them out, you got RPOs, you got

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<v Speaker 3>inside zone, a little sprint out action and they all

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<v Speaker 3>line up on the side. They don't huddle out of

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<v Speaker 3>the huddle. I mean they don't break the huddle and

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<v Speaker 3>they look at the silent for the route. Take what

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<v Speaker 3>are we really teaching and developing these kids? Right? They

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<v Speaker 3>don't know formations, they don't know motions, they don't know shifts,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't know check with me. They don't know audible.

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<v Speaker 3>It's type and you get into that and that's why

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<v Speaker 3>you see some struggle and some has a has an

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<v Speaker 3>easy transition. But you know, that's what the NFL is

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<v Speaker 3>becoming a lot of basic generic offenses out there that

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<v Speaker 3>are easy to translate. So I don't I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>the landscape. It is what it is like. Basketball is

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<v Speaker 3>horrendous to watch. Nobody watches that. Baseball is born to

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<v Speaker 3>watch unless you're in person. Hockey the same thing. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think society is the only thing really exciting to

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<v Speaker 3>watch is the NFL and college football. So it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>surprise me that the ratings are so high. It does

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<v Speaker 3>know if people people play the game. No, the product

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<v Speaker 3>is not a very good product that we're watching.

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<v Speaker 4>See that's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me follow up because I've not heard very

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<v Speaker 2>many people offer the opinion that the product is suffering

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<v Speaker 2>on the college football landscape.

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<v Speaker 4>And you kind of outlined reasons as to why. So

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<v Speaker 4>I guess what I'll ask.

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<v Speaker 2>You is, do you it is there like this permeating

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<v Speaker 2>fear that, in your opinion, and the product will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to suffer unless we get things figured out where there's

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<v Speaker 2>a little more continuity. And are you concerned about the

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<v Speaker 2>future of the sport?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think I think a lot of it. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>speaking more of the NFL compared to the cause. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of how the NFL is run is you're limited

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<v Speaker 3>on added practices. You're limited on how much tackling you're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Most cases, second of the year, you're not even in

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<v Speaker 3>pads at that moment. So it trickles down to college,

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<v Speaker 3>like how much are you really practicing blocking and tackling?

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<v Speaker 3>That is football? Okay? The great teams that win block

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<v Speaker 3>the best and tackle the best. Okay, it's not seven

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<v Speaker 3>on seven, it's not Hey, we throw the ball fifty

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<v Speaker 3>sixty times a game, and what you're seeing is less

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<v Speaker 3>time dedicated to that and more time to making it

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<v Speaker 3>simplified so the guys can transition from a new school

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<v Speaker 3>on the field and do what they do best. So

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, in my mind, I'm never gonna sacrifice

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<v Speaker 3>team and scheme because that gives us an advantage every

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<v Speaker 3>time we cross the field, right, that is our advantage.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not just gonna sacrifice that so other guys can

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<v Speaker 3>just quickly if they can't adjust, it shouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 3>part of our program and maybe you should developed within

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's my opinion on that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's some really interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I feel like the narrative is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of folks continue to watch and really love college

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<v Speaker 2>football despite the kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch the ones that played. Know the type of football

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<v Speaker 3>that we're watching is not high level football. You could

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<v Speaker 3>ask any old player that's played NFL or college, and

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<v Speaker 3>when you watch it, it's not sophisticated. It's not high

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<v Speaker 3>level x'es and o's. You're not seeing in timing, you're

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<v Speaker 3>not seeing you know, multiple things off defense Schematically, it's

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<v Speaker 4>Are there exceptions to that? Are there? Coaching staff they like,

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<v Speaker 4>who do you like to watch?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Shoot, you're talking collegiate.

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<v Speaker 4>Or NFL either way, either level.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the top organizations in the league have a standard

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<v Speaker 3>and the and they do what they do, you know, offensively,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Detroit Ben Johnson, I mean he's on he's

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<v Speaker 3>on another level, uh, gemmatically and how he draws up

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<v Speaker 3>obviously have a close relationship with him. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when you're talking collegiate, uh, you know, you could say

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<v Speaker 3>the history and and what how they developed their skill

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<v Speaker 3>guys and quarterbacks for the last three years of Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 3>But man, have they winner the last time? That bes

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<v Speaker 3>one in a big game? You know, so it goes

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<v Speaker 3>zactly bet who they're supposed to be. They get in

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<v Speaker 3>the big game, We'll see how they do against Oregon.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, it's you only can do with with

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<v Speaker 3>what you have. I'm not naive. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 3>players you're coaching. You don't win, you're probably gonna get fired.

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<v Speaker 3>But I get that, and you got to adapt. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying don't adapt, but I'm saying, structurally, as a program,

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<v Speaker 3>what are we laying our hat on. Are we laying

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<v Speaker 3>our hat on you know, bill turn out forty to

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<v Speaker 3>fifty guys a year, or are we hanging our hat

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<v Speaker 3>on development? Culture, program building? And for me as a lum,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I wish or hope that we continue to

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<v Speaker 3>do or try to do instead of just trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find the next plug and play player.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me what the confidence level is eric with

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<v Speaker 2>you and you know your friends that played up at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Utah, Because what you just described, in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, describes a Kyle Whittingham program player development always

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<v Speaker 2>has been and it's a new different era in college football.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like Utah and the coaching staff have

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<v Speaker 2>adjusted and will they still be able to use the

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<v Speaker 3>I think it can work, but again, I'm not in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's going on. How those conversations happened

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<v Speaker 3>for a guy like Kyle hun Did they have a

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<v Speaker 3>meeting with them? Did they talk about what he's getting paid?

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<v Speaker 3>Does it need to be up for a high level

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<v Speaker 3>starter in the Big twelve? Like? I don't know those questions, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know what he got at Alabama. My

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<v Speaker 3>point is why is he even in the portal? Right? Like?

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<v Speaker 3>How does that even happen where they think I can

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<v Speaker 3>get more? I'm not happy here? Like what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>When is enough enough? Right? And so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're going too much portal kids and enough

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<v Speaker 3>younger guys and keeping them. But I don't know the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they being told to leave right like? Do they

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<v Speaker 3>not want to be there because they're back? I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know those questions. So it's hard for me to say

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<v Speaker 3>what I wish we would do because I'm not intimate

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<v Speaker 3>in those conversations in the roster buildings and what they

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<v Speaker 3>have compared to what they need. So I just would

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<v Speaker 3>say what I would do, and I would try to

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<v Speaker 3>do it like sixty forty seventy thirty of high school

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<v Speaker 3>development and then those two to four players you need

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<v Speaker 3>to plug and play because you have a hole. You

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<v Speaker 3>go find those guys and get them.

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<v Speaker 2>When we last had you on and Eric weddles with

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<v Speaker 2>us to the former Youth Legend Super Bowl champ When

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<v Speaker 2>we last had you on, Eric, we weren't sure if

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<v Speaker 2>coach wit was coming back and there was not an

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator. Well in the time that's past, Kyle Whitted

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<v Speaker 2>Haam is elected to come back for year twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>and Jason Beck is the new OC. Just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>get your reaction when you heard those two pieces of news.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I expected coach with to come back.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean if I doesn't want to go out like that, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with a situation with Morgan hanging in the balance,

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<v Speaker 3>and was it this year? Is it next year? Like

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<v Speaker 3>I think that needs to be communicated with everyone, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we're not hanging at the end to see for

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<v Speaker 3>the recruits for the program, but I'm guys coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a legend. Uh you know, I wouldn't be here

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<v Speaker 3>today without coach with so I think it's better that

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<v Speaker 3>he's around and moving forward. Uh, you know, with the

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<v Speaker 3>offensive coordinator, I don't know, you know, like I hope,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope they hired a great guy and he's innovative

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<v Speaker 3>and he pushes a limit and he makes our offense

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<v Speaker 3>better than one's been because we've struggled at times and

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<v Speaker 3>we've been really good at times. And then I think

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times it comes back to players, and

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<v Speaker 3>you only do so much as a coach, right, Players

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<v Speaker 3>win games. Coaches most times find ways to lose it.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting perspective, all right, Before I say you loose, I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to get I know you're in a lump,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know you love the staff, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>you love the team, and I know you're always going

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it through a ute positive lens, but

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<v Speaker 2>there is a there's a feel around here. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>nervous feel from the fan base that after a rough,

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<v Speaker 2>rough year and you know, a new coaching staff and

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<v Speaker 2>talented players leaving either via graduation or transfer portal, that

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<v Speaker 2>this next season might feel like the last. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>ask you, Eric, before I say you loose, what gives

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<v Speaker 2>you the most confidence that year two in the Big

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<v Speaker 2>twelve will look better than your one did?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I mean, we have a standard, and the standard

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<v Speaker 3>is that we're a top knots program on and off

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<v Speaker 3>the field. Okay, that didn't happen last year for a

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<v Speaker 3>number of reasons. Reality is we didn't get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>So changes were made. You got to hope and believe

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<v Speaker 3>that the higher ing on the offensive side and the

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<v Speaker 3>system that he's going to bring in place is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a good one that to maximize our potential

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<v Speaker 3>offensively defense, we're always going to have a top knots defense,

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<v Speaker 3>So if we could couple our offensive production, then we'll

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<v Speaker 3>be one of the best things of the Big twelve

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<v Speaker 3>in the country. And that's been the case for the

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<v Speaker 3>last fifteen years. So that doesn't change. I will always

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<v Speaker 3>have confidence that we play our style of football offense.

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<v Speaker 3>Even such things. We could be anybody on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we couple it with great people counts that football

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<v Speaker 3>players play together. Players one, you got a special team.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can't have that dynamic with the team and

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<v Speaker 3>how close they are, playing together and playing complimentary football,

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<v Speaker 3>then you're gonna struggle. That's whether you have new coaches

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<v Speaker 3>or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, all right, Eric, I appreciate the time, man. I

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<v Speaker 2>always appreciate the truth telling. So I'll wish you a

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<v Speaker 2>happy new year. Thank you for your time. I'll love

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<v Speaker 2>to have you back on soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you got it, but anytime