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Speaker 2: Thank good, afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Eye on the Ball
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Speaker 2: Dave silver back again. Henry, you're with me. Thanks to
Speaker 2: both of you guys for not entering the transfer portal today.
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, there's still time though, isn't there.
Speaker 2: There's well, well, yet you do it after five o'clock. Okay,
Speaker 2: do it after five o'clock. How do you even do that?
Speaker 4: Is there like a form you fill out?
Speaker 2: There must be don't even look at I need you both.
Speaker 2: You guys are my fafita and whoever's left. Yeah, yeah, really,
Speaker 2: I wishure there's going to be thirty people by now.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the list. It's it's quite a lineup.
Speaker 5: It really is. At least thirty, I think, and.
Speaker 2: Some of the key people. Dave I said this to
Speaker 2: you yesterday. There had to be issued during the year.
Speaker 2: That's why they didn't play hard for him. They didn't
Speaker 2: want to be here.
Speaker 5: Well, it's funny because they sure wanted to be here
Speaker 5: at the beginning of the year. True, after the way
Speaker 5: things went last year and then the way things kind
Speaker 5: of turned this season off they go.
Speaker 2: I wonder how much money left the building?
Speaker 4: I mean in I l oh and I know, really,
Speaker 4: how does this?
Speaker 5: I would it would be fun to try to get
Speaker 5: an idea on what this all means with an il.
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, they lost let's say, I don't know,
Speaker 5: a couple million dollars probably at least.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would think, yeah, they have to get
Speaker 2: it back. No, no services have been rendered, whether they
Speaker 2: were poor for services, that's the whole thing. I was
Speaker 2: wondering how they get paid too, because you get it
Speaker 2: paid up front. Well, I might call him sick tomorrow, right,
Speaker 2: And I did for seven, ten weeks whatever it was,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever weeks. They were very strange. How much
Speaker 2: is not strange? This is not strange to me. With
Speaker 2: people leaving like crazy, how much money has left the building.
Speaker 2: And I guarantee you if I were Dave Silver and
Speaker 2: I had the money to give, I ain't given it again.
Speaker 2: I know, really what happened to that?
Speaker 5: You know, two hundred thousand dollars I just gave to
Speaker 5: ex player who's now going to be, you know, going
Speaker 5: to Fresno State or something.
Speaker 2: So I won't ask you specifics, but i'll ask you
Speaker 2: the question. So, when you went out and you did
Speaker 2: your philanthropy work for you, eh, did they? I'm sure
Speaker 2: you had to have run into mister big shot, mister
Speaker 2: big money Dave. If you recall you were here last
Speaker 2: year and I gave the money and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do it again.
Speaker 4: Well, that's part of the.
Speaker 5: I guess not I don't want to call it a trick,
Speaker 5: but a part of the just the way you worked philanthropy.
Speaker 5: In most cases you did not necessarily go straight back
Speaker 5: to the person who just gave you a nice gift
Speaker 5: the year before. You have to let it kind of
Speaker 5: sit and you have to make sure it gets used correctly.
Speaker 2: And how do they know you have to show up? Well,
Speaker 2: you have to show them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's ways you can kind of play Hey, you know,
Speaker 5: we gave the scholarship money to this the student, and
Speaker 5: this is that they worked on, and this kind of thing,
Speaker 5: or this we gave money for research, and this is
Speaker 5: what the professor worked on.
Speaker 2: So you have to steward that money.
Speaker 5: It's really important as part of the whole you know, uh,
Speaker 5: circle of philanthropy.
Speaker 2: We used to call it a lot of the people
Speaker 2: to call it a circle of something.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, again with with giving to athletics, you know,
Speaker 5: sometimes it's just well, how did the team play?
Speaker 2: Not not that.
Speaker 5: Really your money is going to necessarily affect that unless
Speaker 5: you're getting you know, Kareem Abdul Jabbar to come back
Speaker 5: to college or something like that, who's going to have
Speaker 5: huge impact.
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily a certain that the money you're buying,
Speaker 2: you're buying talent, right, that's what you're hoping to buy talent,
Speaker 2: good talent, that it equates to good money goes to
Speaker 2: good talent, right, or makes it good talent. Because I'm
Speaker 2: sure there was a well there's been a few places
Speaker 2: where you paid good money and it didn't work out.
Speaker 2: Utah utah the quarterback. Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you got a ton of money, yep, and
Speaker 2: he didn't play. But a little yeah. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: think about what what Brennan is going through now.
Speaker 5: He's you know, he's got these what twenty recruits He's
Speaker 5: going to lose you know as of now, like you know,
Speaker 5: like around thirty players, and he's got the portal to
Speaker 5: work with. Right, it's I know he has like a
Speaker 5: general manager in that office who's in charge of all
Speaker 5: this looking around and okay, we just lost you know,
Speaker 5: four tight ends, or we just lost four defensive backs
Speaker 5: and now we've got to go get four more defensive backs.
Speaker 5: So it's right, and we have these new kids coming,
Speaker 5: so you know who knows well the funny the thing
Speaker 5: I won't say funny because it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's not funny. Other schools like Arizona are going through
Speaker 2: the same thing, right, Arkansas. I saw some news today
Speaker 2: similar situations. More than twenty five kids are leaving. No
Speaker 2: one's happy, Dave, right, No one's happy with their situation.
Speaker 2: And just because you go here and there and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, it doesn't make you happy again.
Speaker 4: But it is what everybody wants, instant gratification.
Speaker 5: And if you have a bad season and the team
Speaker 5: doesn't perform, and you you know, you're now giving the
Speaker 5: freedom to just pick up and go. It's just the
Speaker 5: way things are.
Speaker 2: One are the things that I can't remember who said
Speaker 2: this had to be months ago? One of the things
Speaker 2: lost in all this Okay, you have a kid who's
Speaker 2: transferred here, transferred there, even if it's one or twice
Speaker 2: the education, So where did you get his degree? If
Speaker 2: he gets his degree, right, not that that's a big
Speaker 2: deal anymore, because you know how you know, the trades
Speaker 2: are saying you're making more money with us than you're doing,
Speaker 2: you know, honestly, I mean I talked jokingly with Henry,
Speaker 2: and Henry kind of made me maybe look bad yesterday
Speaker 2: as we were leaving and talking about the journalism world.
Speaker 2: And he says, Steve reminded me of it all the time.
Speaker 2: Do you remember where you said? You remember we were
Speaker 2: leaving when yesterday when we were leaving, I was scited
Speaker 2: about journalism and how tough of this And he says, yeah,
Speaker 2: Steve reminds me all the time how difficult it is.
Speaker 2: It is, you know, and that's just that, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's there's other fields that are tough too, because Henry,
Speaker 2: how many kids do you know who've graduated in the
Speaker 2: last year or so who aren't in their field? Majority
Speaker 2: of its exactly exactly and not because they didn't want to.
Speaker 2: It's just there was no chance.
Speaker 5: That's you know, what do you do when you're majoring
Speaker 5: in you know, English or history or sociology something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, what do you what's the what's you say?
Speaker 2: What the hell are you thinking? Well, my son graduated
Speaker 2: with a political science degree. Luckily he landed. Okay, but okay,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do?
Speaker 5: And journalism is not you know, it's it's kind of
Speaker 5: a you know, quote unquote glamorous job. A lot of
Speaker 5: people think it is. And then you know, when you
Speaker 5: see the reality, well, well can be tough.
Speaker 2: Let you go there with you because you you have
Speaker 2: a different reality than my reality. And you you you
Speaker 2: intern kids right enough that I want to get this
Speaker 2: into a journalism type thing. For those listeners they come
Speaker 2: in and they have these white eyes, right, they're going
Speaker 2: to be the next crunk uh miss what's your name
Speaker 2: from Shuttle four? I was gonna say Salas, no, no
Speaker 2: no from from knowing MB Savannah Gustrie not knowing the
Speaker 2: stuff that you have to do. She went to college
Speaker 2: to she went to college to get a degree, but
Speaker 2: she went to law school and all that stuff. But
Speaker 2: people don't talk about that. They want to be the
Speaker 2: next that, right because they see making millions data duh,
Speaker 2: And it's billions of miles away from that, right, because
Speaker 2: now you're carrying your cameras, you're chasing stuff, you're you're
Speaker 2: doing stuff you don't want to do, you know, the
Speaker 2: dog catcher type of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, things are a lot different, for sure. It's not
Speaker 5: it's not very glamorous at the beginning. And you can,
Speaker 5: you know, if you if you're good and you work
Speaker 5: your way through and you you know, improve, it's going
Speaker 5: to take you know, a good number of years, maybe
Speaker 5: five years, until you maybe sort of hit it big
Speaker 5: where you can move on to a bigger market. But
Speaker 5: you know, basically, when you're coming out of no matter
Speaker 5: where you're coming out of, if you're coming out of
Speaker 5: a school in la or Tucson or Missouri, Missouri, someplace,
Speaker 5: you've got to start somewhere and landing that first job.
Speaker 5: I always tell the interns that I had, you know,
Speaker 5: just just getting the door. You know, don't don't worry
Speaker 5: about what the exact role is going to be. Remember
Speaker 5: my mom back in the day, you know, way you
Speaker 5: can sweep the floors at the radio station. Well, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe not, but it's kind of the kind of I
Speaker 5: kind of got that impression from her. You know, just
Speaker 5: just find that job, whether you know it's part time
Speaker 5: or something, just to kind of get your you know,
Speaker 5: foot in the door, right, that's the key.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and being good Like I'm doing the evaluations for
Speaker 2: Henry and the rest of the guys. And I said,
Speaker 2: this just show would not be going on. How to
Speaker 2: not have these guys given what they know what they're
Speaker 2: doing for her? Yeah, you know it's important, Yeah, it's important.
Speaker 2: And who knows. I hope that's why they do a lot,
Speaker 2: because they can do a lot when they leave. You know,
Speaker 2: what the hell, my time's near the end. I don't
Speaker 2: need to know. Although although what i'm by myself, Henry,
Speaker 2: what the hell am I doing?
Speaker 5: I'm getting back to what you were saying, you know before,
Speaker 5: about loyalty to the university or loyal loyal to their schools.
Speaker 5: What's that going to be like for some of these
Speaker 5: guys who've gone to three or four different colleges, Like
Speaker 5: I guess I'll go back to my reunion college too. Well,
Speaker 5: you know, how's that going to play?
Speaker 2: You see the guys that NFL Steve rivera University of whatever,
Speaker 2: you know it is elementary school, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I like when they do the high school, you know
Speaker 5: that that's probably as far as they got with their
Speaker 5: degree anyway.
Speaker 2: Right, right, So we'll see what happens and who's going
Speaker 2: to be left. I think is there a deadline for this?
Speaker 2: Is it a month or a week or more? I
Speaker 2: don't even know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Because it opens up again in the spring.
Speaker 4: I think it ends pretty soon. I mean, it's got to.
Speaker 2: To get in to get in, and then I would
Speaker 2: wonder maybe you can google this date and see. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the guys get into a trackple, how many people
Speaker 2: don't land somewhere?
Speaker 4: A lot?
Speaker 5: I think that's usually what happens by the spring. Well,
Speaker 5: you know, all of a sudden, they go, you know what,
Speaker 5: there's still like fifteen hundred players in the portal. You know,
Speaker 5: then what and then nobody wants you to maybe try
Speaker 5: to go back if there's.
Speaker 2: A room at their old school, Yeah, would you take back? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Who knows? It depends who their situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I would assume that the good
Speaker 5: players are going to get picked up. It's the ones that,
Speaker 5: you know, like we used always see in the NBA draft,
Speaker 5: guys declaring like what do you do claring for word,
Speaker 5: you're not going to get drafted.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, no, in Arizona. I think Jason Gardner did
Speaker 2: that here. I don't think my stuff did, but Jason Gardner,
Speaker 2: Chris Rogers, those guys. An you think, okay, you didn't
Speaker 2: test the waters, and they're going to tell you, well,
Speaker 2: you better go back and look at this year. Look
Speaker 2: at the Look at the best player that we thought
Speaker 2: on the team, Caleb Love Senior, Pack ten Player of
Speaker 2: the Year, Pack twelve Player of the Year. And and
Speaker 2: he said no, go back, and and well he came back,
Speaker 2: and this is what's happening.
Speaker 4: Well, there's still time.
Speaker 2: There's still time. I'll say the butt again. If you
Speaker 2: weren't good last year, if you were one saying going
Speaker 2: to be any better, yeah, you're the same player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. Should be fun this weekend. I'm looking
Speaker 4: forward to the U c l A.
Speaker 2: What do you got?
Speaker 6: What you got?
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be with.
Speaker 4: Me, There're gonna You're gonna be there.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be there. I think they're gonna lose.
Speaker 2: I say that. I say that for one reason. Uh
Speaker 2: if if if Cronin slows it down, that's what he
Speaker 2: does with U c l A Arizona is that's the
Speaker 2: kryptonite to Arizona.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he wants the game in the fifties
Speaker 4: or sixties.
Speaker 2: So if it stays in the sixties, Arizona doesn't win
Speaker 2: that game, and people will give me crap if they win.
Speaker 2: But if it gets in the seventies, maybe Arizona wins. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's not enough sample size to say
Speaker 2: they can get out of it because they haven't gotten
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 5: And you know what I was gonna say too, I
Speaker 5: haven't really seen UCLA. I guess is the records good?
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, who have they been playing that
Speaker 5: I've been playing a lot of weak teams so far.
Speaker 2: But well on Arizona two, and.
Speaker 5: That just you know, I mean, everyone's gonna get up
Speaker 5: for the game. You know, I would not be surprised
Speaker 5: if everyone's fired up at the beginning. It's exciting right
Speaker 5: off the top. And then well we'll settle settle into things.
Speaker 2: Right, right, let's go a review today's today's show. We're
Speaker 2: gonna have Pete Williams, former U of A basketball player.
Speaker 2: Obviously he kind of I call him the cornerstone to
Speaker 2: the program. The granddaddy of them all, if you will,
Speaker 2: because he was the first guy, him and Eddy Smith
Speaker 2: that came on the board back in Loot's first recruiting
Speaker 2: class and may kind of started making Arizona what it
Speaker 2: is today. He posted some stuff yesterday. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're friends with him on facebok, but you know
Speaker 2: he had a twenty rebound game and seventeen points.
Speaker 4: Oh I did see that.
Speaker 2: This was This was thirty forty years ago. Yeah, forty
Speaker 2: years ago. It's hard to believe.
Speaker 5: I mean that Eddie Smith game, the A SU game
Speaker 5: was what that was in eighty three or eighty four.
Speaker 2: Eighty four?
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, we're talking forty years and people
Speaker 5: still remember that.
Speaker 2: I remember I remember.
Speaker 5: It watching it or it was your first year here, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: But I think I was at the station. I don't
Speaker 5: think I was. I was not at that game, but
Speaker 5: I was at a lot of other A issue games.
Speaker 2: You did the football stuff? Did you do the basketball?
Speaker 2: No game show? Who did that? There was?
Speaker 4: Say it wasn't on our station, Oh it was, there was.
Speaker 2: Look at the time. There was someone who.
Speaker 5: Did a show later on our station. But I think
Speaker 5: at the time it might have been on Channelly eleven.
Speaker 5: I want to say, who's the guy Kent? Kent diurd
Speaker 5: of honest, was that the guy?
Speaker 2: I think so that was way back because I pulled
Speaker 2: that name out because he was great. He did a
Speaker 2: lot of basketball here, covered the Kansas City Royals. I think,
Speaker 2: I think something like that in the Midwest. He definitely
Speaker 2: had Phoenix ties.
Speaker 5: He did Anau I think, yeah, maybe after Arizona, but not.
Speaker 2: The Google descenaries that. Maybe I'll try to find him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So he's gonna be here at three seventeen Pete will
Speaker 2: and then in the other hour we're going to talk
Speaker 2: to Lamont love It. We've talked to him a few
Speaker 2: times in the in the recent months talking about Uba.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to get his talk to him,
Speaker 2: to get his thoughts on the transfers. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is just not you know, Steve Rivera and Henry. This
Speaker 2: is you know, the big dudes. This is the big
Speaker 2: It's a good show Davis and Davis.
Speaker 4: Oh you mean in terms of the guy's leaving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy's leaving. I said, you know what the gunner.
Speaker 2: I mean, some of these guys were big stars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks one neither of them did anything as far
Speaker 2: as you know performing here, none of them did anything, Dave.
Speaker 2: That's why they finished forty eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think who's in there.
Speaker 5: Kean Burnette, you know, had a couple of good games,
Speaker 5: been a little injured and never really did much.
Speaker 2: And his dad was a huge dude here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the lineman that's kind of sad, Wendel Mow and
Speaker 5: then the other guy's going pro Jonah big jonah right right,
Speaker 5: So they lose those two defensive line.
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the xs and o's. This is High
Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve RIVERTA. He's Dave Silvert.
Speaker 2: Now on the phone. We have the cornerstone, Pete Williams.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Pete?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 6: How you guys doing it right here? Dave Silver them out?
Speaker 2: I'm here, Yes, I'm here, Dave.
Speaker 13: How are you doing?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Good? Pete? How are you?
Speaker 14: I'm hanging in there, my man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great, congratulations on the grandchild.
Speaker 15: Hey, I've got two of them now, man, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Look at this six foot eight How tall
Speaker 2: are you? Six foot night exleven six cent. I'll give
Speaker 2: you a little more this this tough dude, he's mister
Speaker 2: mushy now.
Speaker 13: Oh absolutely, man, I'm a I'm a cream puff. But
Speaker 13: I still got that lion in me.
Speaker 2: Well you showed you yesterday. I mean, come on, it
Speaker 2: was seventeen points twenty boards forty forty years ago. Forty
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's crazy. How fast time? It's long unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but did you remember that like yesterday?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Because I know Loyola Marrimount actually recruited me at one
Speaker 13: point and I still remember in the in the in
Speaker 13: the falk spring of eighty three. You know they're gonna
Speaker 13: get they're gonna give me like a little job at
Speaker 13: this part, you know, by my house, and I didn't
Speaker 13: have to do nothing, to just sit it the park,
Speaker 13: you know, which would have been pretty cool. But I
Speaker 13: like the way things turned out for me.
Speaker 2: What it's pretty What do you mean by pretty cool?
Speaker 13: I had just said at the park and getting paid?
Speaker 2: You know, did you did you ever remember seeing that
Speaker 2: movie one on one with Henry with with Henry Steele
Speaker 2: It was Robbie Benzon Benson. Yeah, I remember that getting
Speaker 2: paid to look mulderlaan or to one of the grass
Speaker 2: with automatic sprinklers.
Speaker 13: Okay, when it comes to manual labor, I don't want
Speaker 13: to do none of that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. You would have wanted the gas,
Speaker 2: but it was automatic sprinklers. You didn't have to do anything.
Speaker 15: That's cool.
Speaker 5: Was that kind of stuff really happening in the early eighties?
Speaker 2: Were those seventies seventies?
Speaker 13: Well that but you know, like John Edgar and Eddie
Speaker 13: Smith and some of the football players, those guys had
Speaker 13: real jobs. They worked construction for uh, I forgot what
Speaker 13: what big alumnus from Tucson they worked construction. So they
Speaker 13: they did real manual They got paid great, but they
Speaker 13: did some real manual labor though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the good old bad days. Now now you'd
Speaker 2: be killing it.
Speaker 15: It'd be awesome.
Speaker 13: But I like to think I'll still be able to
Speaker 13: maintain that same work ethic.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: True. Hey, great point, because I talk about all the time,
Speaker 2: you're getting hate to do this, And now what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on the kids leaving for football, from football
Speaker 2: to go somewhere else leaving well? Because the yeah, I
Speaker 2: hate it, you know I do.
Speaker 15: It's just.
Speaker 14: For me personally.
Speaker 13: You know, my allegiance to the U of A will
Speaker 13: never stay. But it's just, uh, it's just tough to
Speaker 13: have that allegiance as wholeheartedly as as I once did
Speaker 13: when guys just take off and the majority of the
Speaker 13: time it is, you know, pretty much about about the money.
Speaker 13: You know, I get playing time here and there, times
Speaker 13: and change, but I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 2: Do you. You obviously very famous of coming in with Eddie.
Speaker 2: I think mister Tate correct, Yeah, do you still talk
Speaker 2: to mister Tate?
Speaker 13: Well, you know, Michael Sate and I we grew up
Speaker 13: together in Conftence, so we used to have sleepovers and
Speaker 13: we were like, uh, I was in the when I
Speaker 13: was in the fifth grade.
Speaker 15: Michael was in the third.
Speaker 13: So I stayed in this tablehood for four years and
Speaker 13: Michael lived like it's not even a fool, like a
Speaker 13: half a block around the corner. Yeah, Me and Michael
Speaker 13: real cool. But you know, Mike's falling on a hard times.
Speaker 15: As far as health issues.
Speaker 13: It just just heart breaks my heart, man, because uh,
Speaker 13: you know, Mike has suffered a series of strokes years
Speaker 13: ago or whatever. And I will say the last time
Speaker 13: I spoke to him, he was better than I expected,
Speaker 13: but still a long way.
Speaker 15: From being you know, the Michael Tate that I've always
Speaker 15: grew up in love. You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he was good. That was such an interesting time.
Speaker 5: I mean, not to compare Mike.
Speaker 13: Mike was going to be the face of the program. Yeah,
Speaker 13: you know, he really would. You know, they had that
Speaker 13: billboard and him on Speedway advertising Arizona basketball. And even
Speaker 13: when he left to go to Clemson, I would tell him.
Speaker 14: Mike, you got a billboard on speedway.
Speaker 13: Like Mike billboard? I said, Mike, do you understand it's
Speaker 13: a billboard?
Speaker 15: You know?
Speaker 5: Why why did he leave? I can't remember the circumstances
Speaker 5: around that.
Speaker 13: Was, well, you know what happened was you know when
Speaker 13: Craig and Billing came in, because you know that first
Speaker 13: year Mike and Mike and uh Rock Bronkers one point
Speaker 13: point guards. They started at guard spot and Steve Curb
Speaker 13: was the first got off the bench. So when we
Speaker 13: signed Craig, coach Austin will have Steve and from Craig
Speaker 13: compete for the two and Mike and Brock compete for
Speaker 13: the one. And you know, Mike was offerings from pack
Speaker 13: In Packed Can team the year before Mike, you know,
Speaker 13: but Rock Rock beat him out fair and square, and
Speaker 13: to Steve credit a lot of propert Steed and Steve
Speaker 13: beat out Grab mc millans. But actually, I just think
Speaker 13: coach Oshin was a little a little overly harsh on
Speaker 13: Mike as far as the criticized, and I think he
Speaker 13: kind of went a little overboard. But that wasn't just
Speaker 13: that Mike's dad got involved, and Mike's dad really is
Speaker 13: the one that.
Speaker 15: Kind of encouraged him to leave. And to this day, Mike.
Speaker 13: Will tell you one the biggest regrets you ever had
Speaker 13: was leading even though you know he had a great
Speaker 13: career at Clemson.
Speaker 2: Right now, we talked about a lot of people. I
Speaker 2: think the people who leave, uh the uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the Shawn Allen's, the the dude who leaved there was
Speaker 2: Edrew bo'hannon's eventually say you don't what I could have
Speaker 2: stated one more year just to you know, write it out.
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: We had a lot.
Speaker 5: I mean there were a number of players kind of
Speaker 5: in that early like the first ten years of coach Olsen,
Speaker 5: there were probably a pretty good number of players that
Speaker 5: went off. You know, he was recruiting good players and
Speaker 5: then the competition was picking up, and you know, you
Speaker 5: come here, you think you're gonna play, and it just
Speaker 5: doesn't work out. So there were a number of guys
Speaker 5: that left. I guess that was just.
Speaker 13: We've had some great players come through there. But I'm
Speaker 13: just kind of disappointed that we and so many people
Speaker 13: in Tucson really didn't didn't get a chance.
Speaker 15: To see the real Richard Hollis play. Yes, because rich was.
Speaker 13: A monster, but you know, rich never made his mile
Speaker 13: time and then the back issues and one thing held
Speaker 13: to another, he left.
Speaker 14: I think he ended up going.
Speaker 13: To some Juco and en over at Houston still had
Speaker 13: a pretty good rich Is and Damon. Damon thought him
Speaker 13: I'll tell you, Damon. Rich was one of Damon's heroes
Speaker 13: coming up.
Speaker 15: Rich He was that dude, right.
Speaker 2: I remember going up because I'm not too much younger
Speaker 2: than you guys, and I remember like reading the Street
Speaker 2: and Smith or whatever was Richard Hollis. Back then, it
Speaker 2: was like the best player to ever play here. I
Speaker 2: mean I remember reading stuff like that.
Speaker 13: As far as talent, he put it up there, arguably
Speaker 13: talented as anybody to come through. Unfortunately he never got
Speaker 13: a chance to play a game there.
Speaker 2: He's a ref though, now, isn't he? He was a
Speaker 2: ref Richard how I don't think that would be comical
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I think so. I thought I can remember
Speaker 2: something like that. So odd that he became a ref
Speaker 2: at the at the college level with the pro level.
Speaker 2: I have to google that, but it's not the.
Speaker 13: Pro level, and I see, I would be absolutely shocked
Speaker 13: if Richard Hollis is refereeing anywhere, let alone a high
Speaker 13: school college approgram.
Speaker 6: Start.
Speaker 2: Jean Edgson was doing that still, I try to get
Speaker 2: him on the show. He had to go to like
Speaker 2: Yuma to cover a game. Yeah, yeah, so I'm sure
Speaker 2: you've been watching the Arizona team. What are your thoughts,
Speaker 2: Oh man, what do we begin? We have we have
Speaker 2: about seven minutes.
Speaker 13: You know, it's it's here.
Speaker 15: I'm an eternal optimist.
Speaker 13: I know what it's like that the struggle and the
Speaker 13: team finds itself and you can see the market improvement,
Speaker 13: and then they just kind of take off, you know.
Speaker 13: So I've kind of been through that, you know. But
Speaker 13: the one thing with us back then is, you know,
Speaker 13: for us, it was never a lack of effort. You know,
Speaker 13: we were just trying to start a whole new culture,
Speaker 13: you know.
Speaker 14: So that was the big difference this team here.
Speaker 13: I I questioned the parts that the parts don't seem
Speaker 13: to fit right, you know, on paper demands as far
Speaker 13: as go.
Speaker 15: To three guards.
Speaker 13: You look at Bradley Love and and uh so good players,
Speaker 13: very good players, but collectively on the court at the
Speaker 13: same time, it doesn't seem to be a fit, particularly
Speaker 13: on the offensive end of the court, you know, because
Speaker 13: the perimeter shooting is so inconsistent, and uh we it
Speaker 13: seems we have to work too hard to get a basket.
Speaker 13: That that part is kind of frustrating, because I would
Speaker 13: think as much as they played together, the flow would
Speaker 13: be so much better, and then you're throwing a part
Speaker 13: where the big guys really haven't made the improvement that
Speaker 13: I think many of us kind of expected.
Speaker 15: It's it's just not a good fit.
Speaker 13: But as I said, I still think we got time
Speaker 13: to fix this thing. You know, I'm not one of
Speaker 13: the abandon ship and I think if we get things
Speaker 13: uh head and the right direction, we can make a
Speaker 13: little run.
Speaker 5: Is there a key to the defensive problems that they've
Speaker 5: had where they're you know, having trouble garden the three
Speaker 5: things like that?
Speaker 2: What can what have you done?
Speaker 13: And it can't be a curse against Arizona. It's to me,
Speaker 13: it's just it's about effort. Like when I watch a
Speaker 13: game on TV and we're on a defensive end, I'm
Speaker 13: not just watching the guys who's guarding the ball. I'm
Speaker 13: kind of scanning to see where other players are. And
Speaker 13: oftentimes I find that, you know, we just have guys
Speaker 13: getting the spot late, you know, than when they should be,
Speaker 13: you know, And to me, that's very fixable. But you
Speaker 13: got to have some motivation to get out there and
Speaker 13: do it. You know. I'm sure they're being talked about
Speaker 13: it in practice and film sessions and this and that,
Speaker 13: but then get on the court and.
Speaker 14: Execute, you know, the mistakes you've been previously making.
Speaker 13: And now it's just it kills me to see everybody
Speaker 13: just seemed to seat the lights.
Speaker 14: Out against us, but we have a hard time making
Speaker 14: it three.
Speaker 2: No, I thought your valuation just just a moment ago
Speaker 2: talking about how difficult it looks or appears for them
Speaker 2: to score, just to score. And my biggest issue, and
Speaker 2: I've said this now three days in a row, it
Speaker 2: doesn't have that signature thing that the Loodles and teams had,
Speaker 2: that transition points. You know, that fifteen to two run
Speaker 2: or the twenty to four run, you know those big runs.
Speaker 13: I called that that vaunted Arizona runs. I think coach
Speaker 13: Lloyd brought back, you know, the first few years. You know,
Speaker 13: it was such a pleasure to see that vaunted Arizona run.
Speaker 13: This one right here, I'm just not sure because I
Speaker 13: just don't know if we have the the offensive capabilities
Speaker 13: to do that. I mean, you know, if Caleb could
Speaker 13: show a little more consistency, because I think he is
Speaker 13: obviously our best score.
Speaker 15: He's just been so daang inconsistent.
Speaker 13: And you know, him getting back on track would would
Speaker 13: be a great start, you know. But yeah, that's what
Speaker 13: I'm waiting for. See, but I used to love watching
Speaker 13: the Cats. Didn't care what the score was whatever. He
Speaker 13: knew at some point that vaunted Arizona run was coming.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: There's something about a Zula's Tobellus too. We kind of
Speaker 5: forget how good he was on the run for a
Speaker 5: big guy, I mean.
Speaker 13: The floor, the floor, and then even when he got
Speaker 13: the ball down on the block, he knew what to
Speaker 13: do with it.
Speaker 15: If he got up the high.
Speaker 13: Coast, he knew he was going left, and yet nobody
Speaker 13: could stop him, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I asked this of Meilbox yesterday as as
Speaker 2: and I'm just a question, maybe an observation question. Uh,
Speaker 2: as Caleb goes, Arizona goes.
Speaker 13: Steve, Uh, I'm gonna sign off on that and say, yes,
Speaker 13: you know, he's gotta he's gotta fight his work his
Speaker 13: way through this.
Speaker 15: And you know, I don't want to be one of those.
Speaker 13: Okay, he has one good game, two good games, and
Speaker 13: he's back and of a sudden goes back to with
Speaker 13: any consistency, the the for shot making or shot taking
Speaker 13: and all that type of stuff. He's what a fifth
Speaker 13: year senior. Now that correct, that old jumps that should
Speaker 13: be out the window. Now he's got to be more efficient.
Speaker 13: For this team to go anywhere, he has to be
Speaker 13: more efficient. Another point I'd like to make is, you know,
Speaker 13: Carter Bryant, Hey, he's oppressed and he needs to play,
Speaker 13: you know, if he if we got to be paid
Speaker 13: up to let him work through his mistakes and everything
Speaker 13: or whatever, because he is the.
Speaker 15: Most talented individual on that team.
Speaker 13: Granted he's young or whatever, but he needs to play
Speaker 13: and he's unfortunately he's not to grow.
Speaker 15: Up pretty fast.
Speaker 13: And if he does, that's another element, you know, that'll
Speaker 13: be a big bonus for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what did you what was your observation yesterday?
Speaker 2: Te him what you thought about Brian because.
Speaker 5: It's he was somewhat hesitant, obviously a little bit timid,
Speaker 5: but I mean there were a couple of shots he
Speaker 5: made early in the season and maybe he's even back
Speaker 5: in the exhibition games where he looked, Wow, this guy's
Speaker 5: got some you know, interest in in you know, some
Speaker 5: intensity if you will, But then it went away.
Speaker 2: He kind of went away. But he also has not
Speaker 2: the minutes.
Speaker 5: You know, I guess that's one of those things where
Speaker 5: if you get out there and you don't perform in
Speaker 5: the first you know, two minutes you're out there.
Speaker 13: Yet, because you know, just making a three that's not enough.
Speaker 13: He saw something like you mentioned Dave earlier in the season.
Speaker 13: I saw him like one or two dribbles, pull up
Speaker 13: shoot fifteen eighteen footer. I love that, and he's capable
Speaker 13: of doing.
Speaker 15: Stuff like that. But he has to be on the
Speaker 15: floor more.
Speaker 14: He has to because you know, I said, the big.
Speaker 13: Guys, I mean, they're good players, but they haven't progress
Speaker 13: to what I thought. I'm not saying I thought it
Speaker 13: would be dominant low post players, but I thought they'd
Speaker 13: be more efficient than what they are. Get the ball,
Speaker 13: turn over, right shoulder, you know, jump puck or left
Speaker 13: shoulder jump huck, turn around jumper, drop step, power to
Speaker 13: the bucket, you know, and they're not. Obviously they're not
Speaker 13: the most athletic people around, but come on, man, seven
Speaker 13: foot anything around that rim, you should be trying to
Speaker 13: tear that thing down.
Speaker 2: So do you still keep in contact with your former
Speaker 2: UCLA you know, competition from back in the day.
Speaker 13: Well other than Brad Right, you know, the former center
Speaker 13: used to lay. You know, we still talk one from
Speaker 13: the Blue Moon Brad. Brad is doing well, you know,
Speaker 13: we talked to me.
Speaker 15: Now, but he would be the only one.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The reason is that this is another big weekend. And
Speaker 2: let me say this U C. L A. You know,
Speaker 2: the rivalry is still there. Obviously they're going to try
Speaker 2: to play it as often as they can. But and
Speaker 2: I think that Arizona has a good chance to lose
Speaker 2: this game because it's UCLA does the kryptonite, slows the
Speaker 2: ball down, makes them play in the half court limits
Speaker 2: and transition, and.
Speaker 14: They're playing pretty well right now too.
Speaker 5: You know, what was it like, what was that like
Speaker 5: early in your time here against UCLA, because that I
Speaker 5: mean they were they were pretty good, right were they?
Speaker 5: You know, considered better than Arizona where you you were
Speaker 5: kind of part of that transition time where.
Speaker 4: It kind of flipped.
Speaker 13: Yeah, the first couple of years, of course they were.
Speaker 13: And I still remember when I was a sophomore in
Speaker 13: Juco the Lindy year where they beat you of ade
Speaker 13: something like one hundred and something, the fifty something, you know,
Speaker 13: and then uh, first time we played them, McHale, I
Speaker 13: think we lose about.
Speaker 15: Four or six.
Speaker 14: But for us, even though Cocho.
Speaker 13: Then could care less about a moral victory, for us,
Speaker 13: it was kind of in a sense, you know, a
Speaker 13: moral victory the way we played, because you know, we competed,
Speaker 13: we just weren't. We weren't nearly as talented as they were,
Speaker 13: and we were still trying to learn the whole culture
Speaker 13: winning based on what they did the previous year.
Speaker 15: But yeah, they they were.
Speaker 13: They were superior to us that first year. Second year,
Speaker 13: things evened.
Speaker 2: Out, and that second year, you guys wont the well,
Speaker 2: you're on the verge of I won't even go through
Speaker 2: that story.
Speaker 15: I don't want to be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah on't you mad at me? But I've had you
Speaker 2: mat at me too many times. But eventually they took over.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the legendary story. Bobby had the
Speaker 2: game program with her, she went to John Wooden to
Speaker 2: sign it because that was when there was finally one
Speaker 2: that won the league.
Speaker 15: Yeah eighty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you that story off the air.
Speaker 13: I would I would have loved to been a part
Speaker 13: of that because you know, John Acker, they tell me
Speaker 13: the stories. But just when they came back. You know,
Speaker 13: some people, some people that meet them at the airport
Speaker 13: and everything, and how exciting that whole deal was. I
Speaker 13: could I can only imagine, you know, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 13: to wrap.
Speaker 15: It up in Pauli of all places, you know, that
Speaker 15: was the best.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you were I knew I wasn't at the game,
Speaker 5: but I was covering it in those years, right right, right, No, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure it was was the rivalry, you know, because you
Speaker 2: Arizona's like the little brother, right trying to take take
Speaker 2: over and take over. How was that because now it's
Speaker 2: Arizona used to be, you know, we're the king.
Speaker 14: Well, I would say.
Speaker 13: Bye bye Sean Elliott's junior year. You know, I won't
Speaker 13: say vaunted way ahead, but I think they moved ahead.
Speaker 13: And then but then you look at um throughout the nineties,
Speaker 13: it was arguably Arizona, U, C l A and Stafford,
Speaker 13: right pretty nineties or whatever. But you know, again, and
Speaker 13: it's understandable it with coach Olson just getting started, you know, no,
Speaker 13: we were in nobody's conversation.
Speaker 15: But but but they knew.
Speaker 13: I knew Awakening was coming based on how competitive we
Speaker 13: were that first year. You know, the second year we
Speaker 13: to play with anybody out there. But that first year,
Speaker 13: it was understandable. But I think I think one of
Speaker 13: the one of the reasons why people liked us so
Speaker 13: much because the previous year they didn't even compete. We
Speaker 13: compete against everybody, you know, and even though the record
Speaker 13: didn't reflect, you know, as far as with the number
Speaker 13: of wins, you could see saying you the guard was
Speaker 13: gonna eventually be coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was you, That was Eddie. Who else
Speaker 4: was in that screw?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 13: And I think about just you know, if we hadn't
Speaker 13: lost Mike, if we hadn't lost Rich, if Brock hadn't
Speaker 13: missed six games that year, if Morgan hadn't had a
Speaker 13: couple of academic issues that year, or whatever.
Speaker 1: Ah, then that way.
Speaker 13: John Eggert couldn't always be clown to me about he's
Speaker 13: the only one that had the pack of pat ken ring.
Speaker 2: You know, right right, You're always gonna get grief every
Speaker 2: opportunity he gets.
Speaker 6: He tried to rub it in my face too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me before we leave. I wanted
Speaker 2: to touch you real quick, just get an answer, because
Speaker 2: you're you're your Your love for the man was very,
Speaker 2: very deep and well documented in one of my in
Speaker 2: my books. Uh I'm sure you still miss Luke. Could
Speaker 2: you talk to him a lot? Oh yeah, And here's
Speaker 2: the deal.
Speaker 13: I'm I'm in a good place right now because you know,
Speaker 13: I've told the story of many I told the story
Speaker 13: often that you know, when I talk about Coach Olsen,
Speaker 13: it's real easy for me to get emotional at Eventually
Speaker 13: I got to kind of shut it down because I
Speaker 13: can't control the emotion. But I'm in a good place
Speaker 13: right now, Okay. But absolutely I missed. What I missed
Speaker 13: most probably some of those random phone calls just off
Speaker 13: the blue. You know, he would just call and I
Speaker 13: would see his name right if my phone. Man, I
Speaker 13: would just get so happy or whatever, and I just
Speaker 13: I miss those moments. And even when I was, you know,
Speaker 13: at work in probation. You know, we can't talk on
Speaker 13: our cell phones at work, and sometimes Coacho would call
Speaker 13: and I would see it and I would go sneak
Speaker 13: into the laundry room just to get in a few
Speaker 13: minutes on.
Speaker 15: The phone with you.
Speaker 13: I mean, that's just he's easily, and I said about him,
Speaker 13: easily the most influential person in my adult life and
Speaker 13: has pretty much shaped me into the man I am today.
Speaker 15: And I'll be forever grateful for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the case for everybody who played
Speaker 2: for him, you know that that had to go through
Speaker 2: the tough times, and then he went and got through
Speaker 2: the tough times and then became you know, close to him.
Speaker 13: Yeah, because the relationship changes, you know, once you get out,
Speaker 13: it really becomes even more personable and lovable. And it's
Speaker 13: just he was just absolute best and and and it's
Speaker 13: funny which most people wouldn't really realize, and we didn't
Speaker 13: really realize that he is that you know, that's pretty.
Speaker 2: Funny, you know, a dry sense of humor, and then
Speaker 2: he'd give you that.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well, Pete's always thank you very much. Maybe we'll
Speaker 2: see you. I guess there's nothing. You're not coming to Phoenix, right,
Speaker 2: you know it's gonna be a while.
Speaker 15: No, I think I'll just sit.
Speaker 13: Outsite at the house and have a few beers and
Speaker 13: watch it on TV. And we don't get to w
Speaker 13: on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Optimistic, hope, So always optimist.
Speaker 6: Talking to you too, man.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks Pete, see Pete, thank you. I shake Pete
Speaker 2: Williams for well the Cornerstone. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 5: In my last job, I had a chance to visit
Speaker 5: with him a couple of times in the LA area,
Speaker 5: and it was it was great.
Speaker 4: It was a conversations just like that. We were kind
Speaker 4: of reminiscing and thinking about.
Speaker 5: Those early years and the first the first signs of
Speaker 5: Arizona basketball, you know, and and the Loute Olson Arrow.
Speaker 2: Darn what happened? Oh darn, no, I want to text.
Speaker 2: It was Leon Wood. Oh, Leon Wood was the guy
Speaker 2: was referee. That's the referee. I I don't know why
Speaker 2: I thought Richard House, but Leo would thank you. I
Speaker 2: here he that's exactly who it was. But he didn't
Speaker 2: play with Pete. No, he was right.
Speaker 4: He was the year before for because he stayed fuller time.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Transford, I don't thank you here because that's
Speaker 2: the guy that he was fantastic. Uh and then he
Speaker 2: left because Luke should have. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: story was, but yeah, yeah, Okay, Now let's go to
Speaker 2: break and come back. We'll talk more about everything that
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Speaker 1: Streamy Live on the Ihearts radio app. This is Eye
Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Buying the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm see Rivera, Dave Silver in with
Speaker 2: me today. We've got Henry at the mic with the board.
Speaker 2: Now we have a call. I think Gabriel.
Speaker 11: Is that you?
Speaker 6: Yes, Yes, it's me. How you guys?
Speaker 2: We're doing fine? Hey, Gabe, I do take Blue Cross,
Speaker 2: Bruce Shield if you need a little psychiatric help with
Speaker 2: this football team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, first off, I think my saws and prayers
Speaker 6: are all all out of coverage.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I saw I'm wow.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna talk political. If that's no, don't don't.
Speaker 6: If a CEO got so, how do you?
Speaker 2: How do you? How do you feel about what's going
Speaker 2: on with that football team?
Speaker 6: Oh? This is college football, baby, I don't know. To
Speaker 6: be honest with you, what do you? What do you
Speaker 6: guys think?
Speaker 2: Well, I said it all along that these guys didn't
Speaker 2: want to play for him, showed that they didn't want
Speaker 2: to play for him, but he didn't play hard for him.
Speaker 2: Now they're gone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree with you, and I think, okay, Well,
Speaker 6: all the guys who are transferring, I think, okay, fine,
Speaker 6: go to other places that I'm going to pay you
Speaker 6: a lot more money. And I think, but bring you
Speaker 6: to say, hey, so all the players in the shots
Speaker 6: for portal that there are that are in the portal,
Speaker 6: I think you should hey, he should say, we have
Speaker 6: a lot of open positions, so come, we're come and play.
Speaker 6: That's why I kind of think.
Speaker 4: There's definitely gonna be some open open positions.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, some of the quotes I think
Speaker 5: I saw him saying like you know, if those guys
Speaker 5: want to go to another place, jump on their bandwagon,
Speaker 5: just just go, you know, if you don't want to
Speaker 5: be here, go And then they also have the option
Speaker 5: of looking around. And again the timetable is kind of
Speaker 5: murky right now, but they could come back, and that
Speaker 5: happened last year as well, so I'm trying to be
Speaker 5: optimistic with that. You know, hopefully some of the better
Speaker 5: players if they see, you know, if they can find
Speaker 5: a better situation.
Speaker 2: And money talks.
Speaker 5: Nowadays in college football, just about every quarterback has a
Speaker 5: number attached to them. If you're good, you're gonna get
Speaker 5: something somewhere.
Speaker 6: Yeah, money talks, be yes walks right.
Speaker 2: So no, no about the basketball team, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 6: They gotta beat the they gotta beat U. C l A.
Speaker 6: And they also got to beat the Southern Keebler Elf
Speaker 6: because Mick Crumin definitely looks like ELF.
Speaker 2: He's been I read that today that he's been more
Speaker 2: uh more or less less Mike Cronin, he's been more cordially.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, maybe Justin Spears needs to talk with him.
Speaker 6: I know, nobody misses with all Boy and Spears, and yeah,
Speaker 6: nobody misses with my ginger assassin.
Speaker 2: That's right, he got after this is I'd surprise you're
Speaker 2: you're not answering the question. Yeah, uh so what do
Speaker 2: you think? What do you think is ailing the basketball team?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 6: Too early in the season. I mean, I think the
Speaker 6: reason why we have such a really bad record is
Speaker 6: of the Bahamas tournament and and playing every single good team.
Speaker 6: I mean, Arizona is four and four. We're not used
Speaker 6: to Arizona having like a bad record like that. We're
Speaker 6: usually eight and two or eight and oh or nine
Speaker 6: to oh, So we're not like used to that is
Speaker 6: that we're not used to having a football record.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this because you've been following
Speaker 2: a long time since I've been on the show here,
Speaker 2: Uh ain't no kind of gets you guys. You youri
Speaker 2: Zona fan's kind of really giddy, kind of over overthinking
Speaker 2: that about the tournament, right, We're gonna do really well.
Speaker 2: Does this kind of temper that maybe become more realistic
Speaker 2: that you know, March could be more realistic?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I'm expecting Arizona to lose a couple
Speaker 6: of games in the Pick twelve. It's not like we're
Speaker 6: in the Pac twelve right now. The PAC twelve basically
Speaker 6: were a stink, just like the wholy manmots.
Speaker 5: So so anyway, all right, it'll be fine, canna still
Speaker 5: be fun. I think I'm I'm you know. I think
Speaker 5: Matt Meilbach was talking about it yesterday where he said
Speaker 5: that Arizona did have some tough places to go in
Speaker 5: the PAC twelve, and so there they should be ready
Speaker 5: for something like sayah Houston or Missouri, Iowa State, some
Speaker 5: of those places that have this reputation. So I think
Speaker 5: they can stack up and they and remember those teams
Speaker 5: have to come to McHale Center too, which isn't exactly
Speaker 5: the easiest place to play, as we've seen over the years.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you guys the one one last question. So,
Speaker 6: if Brent Brennan doesn't get any players in the transport world,
Speaker 6: does that tell you signs that he will probably give
Speaker 6: fired next year? So that's probably gonna be the case.
Speaker 2: I think you're spot on, because if he doesn't get
Speaker 2: players that are halfway decent, that could be a very possible,
Speaker 2: very big possibility. David.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, he's gonna get players.
Speaker 5: I mean, he'll get players, whether or not they're the
Speaker 5: quality that we're hoping for you know, remains to be seen.
Speaker 5: He brought in players last year, he brought in year.
Speaker 2: Make sure you signed that check and send it to
Speaker 2: the Arizona football program so they can use it for
Speaker 2: n I l oh, definitely.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll I'll save up some money and put it
Speaker 6: into into into the NY Say, you guys, you gotta
Speaker 6: you gotta play in a lot of money if you
Speaker 6: want Arizona to be good. Put shut up, don't be
Speaker 6: a lazy ass.
Speaker 4: You're right, Gabe, You're right. Can you sign that check?
Speaker 4: Phil Knight? Is there a way that.
Speaker 2: Could be done?
Speaker 6: He has a buttload of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you don't want to get political game, so
Speaker 2: I'll let you go.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Gabe, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we'll see what happens this weekend. Gave one
Speaker 2: of the loyal listeners and colleges. You know, he's uh.
Speaker 2: He also calls the other people. So I have a
Speaker 2: little shakey with a little disappointed.
Speaker 5: He's got his opinions. Does I think a lot of
Speaker 5: people have opinions? I think, you know, not just it's
Speaker 5: just different, It really is. You know, we used to
Speaker 5: just kind of know the high school kids are coming
Speaker 5: and there's gonna be a few j C transfers, you know,
Speaker 5: things like that, but it's just the whole transfer portal
Speaker 5: is such a mess.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, we don't know what to expect.
Speaker 2: You're you're right, you mores wrote something today. We've talked
Speaker 2: about it on the show before with whom we have
Speaker 2: the j C people coming that it's hurt the high
Speaker 2: schools and the j C is the transfer portal because
Speaker 2: why would you go to the high schools or the
Speaker 2: j c's when you can go after somebody else's who's
Speaker 2: been there, done that at another school.
Speaker 5: I know we're going to talk maybe later about Belichick
Speaker 5: and going to North Carolina, but.
Speaker 4: You know he's not going to be going to high schools. No,
Speaker 4: he's not going to be recruiting.
Speaker 5: He's just going straight transfer portal and promising them a
Speaker 5: shot at the NFL.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he would be like you talked about Dion.
Speaker 2: It would be a different deal, right, but a Dion
Speaker 2: like type of thing. Because Dean doesn't leave the city.
Speaker 2: I think he doesn't go visit because he says, what's
Speaker 2: that going to do? They come to my place and
Speaker 2: they get impressed.
Speaker 5: With me, right, and plus, you know, Dion comes with
Speaker 5: the you know, being a player in his background, whereas
Speaker 5: Belichick has, you know, obviously the coaching background and the
Speaker 5: history and the success and the connections and things like
Speaker 5: that that are.
Speaker 2: Going to probably help recruit players. Just on that basis,
Speaker 2: I'll give you two options. Who are you playing for
Speaker 2: Belichick or a deal? I don't know, you know, if I'm.
Speaker 5: Depends on what what I'm going to be doing, if
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm really going to be in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Really think I guess Dion, if I have the talent,
Speaker 5: he's going to be able to teach me things that
Speaker 5: maybe Belichick, you know, has never been a you know,
Speaker 5: a professional player, couldn't do. I want to be a
Speaker 5: coach or want to be in management. I want to
Speaker 5: be successful maybe after football. Well I think, you know,
Speaker 5: you go to college and you hope that you're going
Speaker 5: to learn something that's going to give you success afterwards too,
Speaker 5: whether it's football or business or whatever.
Speaker 2: I just googled the people leaving for the portal. Uh
Speaker 2: that came up for some I don't want to read,
Speaker 2: but I got it anyway. It said sixteen percent of
Speaker 2: the rosters get into the transfer portal nationally or nationally
Speaker 2: nationally sixteen percent. And then I read a story from
Speaker 2: two three years ago about forty percent don't find homes,
Speaker 2: so you go and then you don't know where to
Speaker 2: go or you know what I'm saying, you don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no one wants you. Yeah, you'll start hearing those stories,
Speaker 5: especially you know in the spring. Hey, wait, there's still
Speaker 5: like I said, there's still like fifteen hundred people you
Speaker 5: know in the portal who are are looking for a spot.
Speaker 2: We got a call real quick. Hello, you're on the
Speaker 2: air nine of the ball Who's asked. We've got about
Speaker 2: a minute or so.
Speaker 6: Hey, Dave, this is Lobel Phil.
Speaker 2: Hey, Lobo Phil. How are you? I'm doing good?
Speaker 6: How are you? How are you doing?
Speaker 2: Dave? Good? Good? You got about a minute Phil.
Speaker 14: Hey, okay, I got two quick questions.
Speaker 6: I just want to make sure.
Speaker 17: I want I want to know how how Jay's doing.
Speaker 2: Is he okay?
Speaker 15: See surviving?
Speaker 2: He's okay, three, he's surviving his new job. Him and
Speaker 2: I have been talking. I want him to come in
Speaker 2: and do a day in the week. He's kind of
Speaker 2: saying yes. So I'll let you guys know when that
Speaker 2: will happen. So you know, next week, next Thursday, we're
Speaker 2: at the casino, but I want him to come in
Speaker 2: once once a day, once a week.
Speaker 15: Okay.
Speaker 6: So the second question, just real quick.
Speaker 17: So one time, I think it was a couple of
Speaker 17: years ago, I asked you guys a question Evan Jay.
Speaker 17: So I'm gonna pose the same question against you. It's
Speaker 17: to Dave, do you believe that Tommy Lloyd is gonna
Speaker 17: be end up being closer to a a shot Miller type.
Speaker 2: Of coach or a lout Olson type of I remember
Speaker 2: that question. Could you give me some parameters.
Speaker 6: By wins and final fours?
Speaker 2: Okay, by wins and final fours. Okay, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: go we're gonna take this. We're gonna talk about that one.
Speaker 2: We'll think about that one because we're gonna go to
Speaker 2: break and we'll talk about it on the other side.
Speaker 2: But I remember that I remember your question because it
Speaker 2: was a good question, and now it's kind of funny
Speaker 2: question because it's true, and.
Speaker 17: I remember I remember yours and Jay's answers.
Speaker 2: By the way, the shot it's gonna be, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be more loot. Of course, that's did you guys say
Speaker 2: last I remember the answer, Well, let me. I'm still
Speaker 2: leaning that way, so we'll let me. David, I don't
Speaker 2: think about it.
Speaker 14: Thanks, and I want to hear Dave's Dave's answer to how.
Speaker 2: About how about them Lobos? Tough week, this week, tough week,
Speaker 2: terrible week? Yes, okay, thanks film, yeah, yeah, when you
Speaker 2: lose to the Eggies hopefuls that we got about a
Speaker 2: minute or we can go down. Now we've got Okay,
Speaker 2: let's go and come back with breaking news and we'll
Speaker 2: get to his question. Okay,