1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's Talk Pets. 2 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: Hello, pet levers, Welcome to Best Sets for Pets on 3 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:28,399 your show, host Michelle Bern, I have a guest today 4 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,280 that to welcome back. He's been on Best Bets before. 5 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:36,119 He is quite the human. He's simply amazing in my 6 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,159 eyes and in many others. He is an Emmy nominated 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,359 TV host, entrepreneur, animal advocate, and author. And he is 8 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,520 a storyteller like no other. So you don't want to 9 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,679 miss this show. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. 10 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:56,799 Speaker 3: Take a bite out of your competition. 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So 30 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:11,240 you recently wrote a book, Sitting with Dogs, stories of 31 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,080 rescue dogs going from lost to loved, And I have 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,960 to tell you, I've had a lot of books my 33 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,680 way recently. I think it's the book season, which is great. 34 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,000 I love books. Book touched me on a different level. 35 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:30,800 It's fascinating walk motivation for writing Sitting with Dogs. 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,879 Speaker 5: Michelle, Thanks for having me. You know, I think it's 37 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,919 been like seven to ten years since I was on 38 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,400 your show last time. And the thing is, I've always 39 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:43,199 been working to help advocate for pet adoption, tell the 40 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,000 stories of these dogs. And where this book really came 41 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:50,120 to beat was not from me. It was from a 42 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:53,039 publisher reaching out and saying, hey, how do we tell 43 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,080 these stories? Because it's really raw in its best form, 44 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:01,960 it's me being vulnerable with the dog and really allowing 45 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,479 the dog to speak, not in a barking sense. If 46 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:07,680 they'd like to, they can, But when I sit down 47 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:10,280 with them in the kennel at these shelters, these are 48 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:13,159 the dogs that are in their lowest moments. They are broken, 49 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:16,120 they have given up. They are and no dog is broken, 50 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:18,960 but they feel broken. And so what I try to 51 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,680 do is I find the dogs that everyone has passed by, 52 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:26,000 or that are fighting in the corners, trying to melt 53 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:28,719 and disappear because they just don't understand why they're there, 54 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:31,800 and just lift them up a little bit. We don't 55 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,520 try to solve all their problems. We don't try and 56 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,159 train them into being the dog that someone would want 57 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:41,840 them to be. I just sit there with them, and 58 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,639 we are winning more than we are losing. We are 59 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:47,400 helping dogs get adopted, but often we lose, and it's 60 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:50,639 really hard. And I was looking for a way to 61 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,360 share the stories of the dogs that are getting out 62 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:56,719 of the shelter that we got to sit with, that 63 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,240 going to amazing families and have had this complete turn 64 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,159 around that they are so deserving of that we are 65 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:06,360 also deserving us. And so when the book publisher reached 66 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,039 out to me and said, we'd love to try and 67 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,599 help you with this. I said, I have two things. 68 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:15,000 One that would be amazing. Two I am extreme dyslexic. 69 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,680 I couldn't write if my life depended on it. And 70 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,759 are you sure you have the right person? So they said, 71 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,639 will help. Let's do this together. And so this has 72 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,079 been a long journey over the last year putting these 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,920 stories together, a lot of laughing and crying. But man, 74 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:32,600 I am glad we are here and I hope this 75 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,560 helps a lot of people consider adopting a pet. 76 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,639 Speaker 2: I think it will. And this is going a little backwards. Well, 77 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,199 when you say sitting with dogs, you have a show 78 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,920 about sitting with dogs, I mean your show is called 79 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,240 for people that I don't know. There might be five 80 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,839 out there that don't know of you. Can you give 81 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:52,839 a little background on you or sorry, we're a little backwards, 82 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:54,600 but that's okay, Yeah. 83 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,519 Speaker 5: That's okay, okay. So I am nothing special in the 84 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,120 sense of I am not a dog train or a 85 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,839 specialist or a veterinarian. I am just a guy who 86 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:07,000 wants to help dogs and has been learning the best 87 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,759 I can working in shelters for a while And what 88 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,279 I started doing is just going into the kennels and 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,800 sitting with these dogs on my volunteer hours. And what 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,600 happened is I would put my phone in there so 91 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:22,800 that I could approach the dog in a way that 92 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,199 I've learned over the years that was very non threatening 93 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,000 because these dogs were heightened alert and you don't want 94 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,199 them to bite, obviously because you don't want to have 95 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,959 a dog bite that hurts, but more so because that 96 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,319 often in most shelters spells the end for that dog, 97 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,040 and so you want to be very cautious and not 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,279 put a lot of stress on them. And so if 99 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,160 you go in not looking at them, not giving them 100 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,120 my contact, following dog body language, then it can really help. 101 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:53,079 But how do you know if they're going to bite 102 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,399 you in the rear well, you put your phone down, 103 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:57,240 you just turn it on, and you've got yourself a 104 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,959 rear view mirror that the dog doesn't really pay any 105 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,600 attention to. And so I started recording that and sharing 106 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,680 it with people, and it helped the dogs get adopted. 107 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,360 So we were now not only I was not only 108 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:11,319 comforting dogs and helping tell their story, but it was 109 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:14,199 leading to dog adoptions and it really built a neat community. 110 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:16,519 And so I've been doing that for the last few years, 111 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,160 and I think most of the time people don't know 112 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,000 my name, but they do know the dog's name that 113 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:24,680 they see or the videos that they see, and that 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,000 couldn't make me any happier. 115 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you. You say you're not in 116 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,600 anything special. I think you're very special, not everybody, And 117 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,959 I think you're very skilled because not everyone can be 118 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:38,839 patient enough to sit with or have the courage to 119 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:42,639 sit with the dog that might have who knows what 120 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,959 kind of fears or anxiety or whatever and process them 121 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,639 through it. So I think that's amazing. Can you share 122 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,240 this story of Flip that was so touching? 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 5: So I had a boxer dog that when I went 124 00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:03,759 to a rescue, he couldn't walk. He would like an 125 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,879 awkward two year old learning to walk. He would wipe out, fall, tumble, 126 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,759 but then get back up again and just be so happy. 127 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,319 And he would have to flip his paws up to walk, 128 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:17,920 which is where he got his name Flip, because someone 129 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,000 had locked him in a crate for four to six months. 130 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,800 They were a breeder trying to sell boxers. They couldn't 131 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:25,680 sell this one. So he never got out of a crate, 132 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:28,360 so his pawse atrophy they kind of locked so he 133 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,399 could they wouldn't function correctly because he couldn't stand up 134 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:33,839 in this crate that was too small for him. And 135 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:39,800 so it was endearing and heartfelt and sad and all 136 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:42,759 of the things at the same time. And he went 137 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:44,720 to go jump up into my car because he wanted 138 00:07:44,759 --> 00:07:47,439 to come home with me. He face planted on the bumper. 139 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,120 He shook it off, and he tried again. This time 140 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,720 I scooped him up and put him in the back 141 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:57,399 of my jeep and from there on we were best buddies. 142 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:00,120 He almost didn't make it. It turns out he yet had 143 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,639 this temper. This was a decade ago. I spent thousands 144 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,959 of dollars on a credit card. I didn't have the money, 145 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,319 I didn't care, and it worked, and he spent the 146 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:13,759 rest of his life repaying me tenfold. I'll never be 147 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,319 able to repay him. And when I lost him about 148 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,199 a year or two ago, now I had this deep 149 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:22,240 old in my heart, and I knew I had to 150 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:25,600 continue carrying on the mission that him and I had together, 151 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,160 because he was that dog that could help rehabilitate any dog, 152 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:31,240 whether it was a puppy, and he had to guide 153 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,759 that puppy into being a dog or an alpha dog, 154 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,559 and he had to show them that that aggression was 155 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,320 not the right behavior, or a dog that was feral 156 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,360 and scared, and he had to show them how the dog. 157 00:08:44,279 --> 00:08:46,960 He was just that guy, and I was so lucky 158 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,360 to have him, and so I'm working to carry on 159 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,320 that mission. 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He 183 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,279 is the author of Sitting with Dogs, Stories of rescues 184 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,600 dogs going from lost to Love. In the book, there 185 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:28,399 are ten different dogs and each of them has their own, 186 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:32,159 you know, situation, and sometimes you like as you mentioned 187 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:36,159 in the shelters, you do get information as to what 188 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,519 happened the dog was maybe adopted and returned or abandoned, 189 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:43,279 but sometimes you don't. Before we talk more about the 190 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,679 dogs in the book, how do you deal with the 191 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,639 fact that I think there was one dog that was 192 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,639 in a room with one hundred and sixty other dogs 193 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,960 with a hoarding situation. How do you like process that? 194 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a good that's a fair question. 195 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,879 Speaker 2: One more thing, even when happened with Flip to be 196 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,080 contains in a tight little box. But how do you 197 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:03,799 process that? 198 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 5: You know, it's a good question because I think a 199 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:07,879 lot of people ask that question in their head but 200 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,879 may not just directly ask that question. And two ways. 201 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,879 One I will say it's very hard, and I have 202 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,360 really deep, hard days, dark days. But this community of 203 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,799 dog rescue and people like yourself and dog loving people 204 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,720 out there, we pull each other through this together. And 205 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:28,840 I believe what we're going through right now is a 206 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,519 solvable problem. All of us together can solve this problem, 207 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,120 so so many pets don't have to suffer. And the 208 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:37,120 other thing that I do is I really fast forward 209 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:40,440 to a time in their future where everything is going 210 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,879 to be okay, because most of the time, when you 211 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,799 see or meet a dog in that situation, the hardest 212 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,279 moments are behind them. And so I look at a 213 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:50,120 dog that's been in a hoarding case with all of 214 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:52,559 those dogs that is shut down, and I know that 215 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:55,519 while it's going to be hard work from here, they're 216 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,399 going to have those days where they sneak the potato 217 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,519 chip off of the coffee table that they shouldn't and 218 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,440 we laugh together and run to the park together and 219 00:12:04,919 --> 00:12:07,960 play fetch together, and they get to snuggle in the bed, 220 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,559 and they get in trouble for being on the couch, 221 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:11,879 all of the things that we take for granted once 222 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:15,399 a dog has arrived at that state, that a dog 223 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,399 that's been in those really horrible situations isn't there or 224 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,600 has regressed and can't find their way back. And so 225 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:24,759 I really fast forward to what those moments will look 226 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,399 like and what that dog will look like in those moments, 227 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:29,639 and I share that with them. I tell them that 228 00:12:29,639 --> 00:12:32,240 that's where we're going to get to, at their pace, 229 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:35,600 when they're ready. And so that really helps me get 230 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,080 out of those deep dark moments. 231 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. What about situations where the 232 00:12:42,759 --> 00:12:45,480 dog was adopted from a shelter and then return to 233 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,519 the same shelter And by the way, I'm just curious 234 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:52,240 about this. It's not bashing shelters. The people that work 235 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,039 in shuters, that run shelters do amazing work there Saints. 236 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,159 But my question is do you think sometimes some shelter 237 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,200 maybe don't like validate the people that are potentially adopting. 238 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,559 They don't verify their information. Some places you basically have 239 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:11,200 to have they have to come to your home and 240 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,840 inspect it, and others it's like, okay, here's the fee, 241 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,679 here's the dog. Yeah, what do you do with shelters 242 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,919 that just don't do the extra step and making sure 243 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,200 that the dog is going to his forever home and 244 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:24,840 not forever for a few months, and then we're getting 245 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,600 returned back just for another reason. Then well, you know, 246 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:30,360 he grew up and now he's not a puppy. 247 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. Wow. It really runs the gamut, doesn't it. From 248 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:36,360 someone saying, hey, listen, you know, unless you have a 249 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,519 twenty two foot high fence, double fenced, electric gate with 250 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,240 an automatic chairlift, you can't have this dog all the 251 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:46,039 way to It seems like people roll down their window 252 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,639 and the shelter throws kittens into their car seat. 253 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 254 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 5: So, okay, here's what I've seen in touring shelters across 255 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,720 the nation and being in shelters, I have yet to 256 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,480 run into a shelter that has been too easy on 257 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:02,080 adopting a pet out. In fact, I always try to 258 00:14:02,159 --> 00:14:05,200 encourage them to loosen their reins a little bit because 259 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,720 I just haven't ever seen it. More So, what I 260 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,559 see when pets come back are the system is in 261 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,559 the way of that person that had really great intentions. 262 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,279 So they go, I'm going to adopt this pet. Everything's 263 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:19,840 going to be wonderful, and then they they lose their job, 264 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,240 or their landlord calls and says, hey, we're no longer 265 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:25,320 going to allow pets in this facility, or they go 266 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:27,639 to the vet and the vet says, oh yeah, they 267 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:29,600 just need to have a simple procedure that'll be twenty 268 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:33,279 four hundred dollars, and they go, well, that's now I 269 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,879 have to decide between my kids eating this month or 270 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:38,000 my dog eating this month, and I need to do 271 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:39,720 the right thing and turn the dog into the shelter. 272 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:44,200 So I very rarely, I'd say, then the smaller percentage 273 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:47,799 are is that happening? And the bigger percentage is it's 274 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,159 becoming more and more challenging to own a pet, even 275 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,639 when you have the best intentions. 276 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: So we need a happy medium here, I'll say. 277 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:55,519 Speaker 5: That's right. 278 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Bean, who is so cute. So 279 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:02,279 Bean was first, you're very I'm looking at picture on 280 00:15:02,519 --> 00:15:05,200 I want him. I want him. So each to your 281 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,080 first dog at flip Farms. So how was it because 282 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,600 you adopted him to you? He was adopted out. 283 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:17,519 Speaker 5: Right, that's right? So working backwards, someone adopted him, and 284 00:15:17,559 --> 00:15:19,759 I second guessed myself every day, but I did it 285 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:22,200 for every dog that we you know, we get adopted. 286 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:25,440 You know, what we really focus on our mission is 287 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:28,720 rehabilitating dogs and getting them into loving families. We are 288 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,279 not a sanctuary. We don't collect dogs, and not that 289 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,080 there's anything wrong with being a sanctuary. We're not even 290 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,480 a nonprofit and again nothing wrong with that, but we 291 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,279 have a model where when you purchase coffee from us 292 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,240 that we grow on our farm or roast from other farmers, 293 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,360 then we use those funds to then pay for the 294 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,240 rehabilitation of the dogs that we have on our farm. 295 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,519 And listen, these are the dogs that are The fees 296 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:58,679 are astronomical, as shelter couldn't reasonably rehabilitate this dog because 297 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,080 being cost us can't remember now, but between forty and 298 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,039 sixty thousand dollars, that's a lot. It's a lot. And 299 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,960 I don't expect in most situations for people or rescues 300 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:12,919 or organizations to do that, but we have taken it 301 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,120 upon ourselves to go. We want the ones that we 302 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,919 can do that for that we can help and let 303 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:20,279 them know that they matter, no matter the cost. It's 304 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,799 not their fault, that vet costs can be through the roof, 305 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,200 and that they might have to have three surgeries versus one, 306 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,279 or you know, it's not the dog's fault. So so yeah, 307 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,559 So he was the first one on Flip Farms because 308 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,799 before that we had always fostered dogs, and we said, okay, 309 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,039 we're gonna we're going to take this to the next level. 310 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:40,039 We're going to start bringing dogs in. The most we've 311 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:42,799 had on the farm at any given time so far 312 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,720 has been five, and he was the first one. And 313 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:48,759 he was with us for about eight or nine months, 314 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:51,559 which is longer than most dogs could ever be at 315 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,679 a shelter rehabilitating. And you know, this little little cattle dog, 316 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,399 like all cattle dogs, is just as strong as you know, 317 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,720 teflon and as fast as a bullet, and his character 318 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:08,359 is just happy as a clam And I'm so happy 319 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,079 that he is with his loving family now. And he 320 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,480 pulled through all of that. And the lesson that we 321 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,240 learned from being is tenacity. No matter how dire his 322 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,920 situation was, no matter how extreme the pain was, he 323 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,039 just kept carrying on and kept being a happy little boy. 324 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:27,039 And it just it was such an inspiration to my 325 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:30,359 wife and I and my whole team and everyone that 326 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,519 was a part of this community. I'm happy to say 327 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:34,000 he's living his best life now. 328 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:36,599 Speaker 2: And that's the best outcome. Which of the dogs was 329 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,319 the most difficult to write about? 330 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,759 Speaker 5: Outside of my dog Flip, my late dog Flip, I 331 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:45,160 think the one that continues to get me is Macy, 332 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:50,559 the German shepherd who was emaciated and starved for years. 333 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh. 334 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: I'm self made. I've always worked for what I got, 335 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:59,599 and I'm not very affluent by any means, and I 336 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:04,000 didn'k fancy. But we had a dog and he was 337 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:08,000 never starved. I can't understand that's when the dogs should 338 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,400 be surrendered, but maybe the person was not in normal mind. 339 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,039 I can't wrap my hunbrou on this. 340 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 5: You know, I don't know, and I think I put 341 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,799 it aside because I don't think we'll ever know. This 342 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,400 dog got away, or someone dropped the dog off, or 343 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,519 a lot of times of good Samaritan will steal these 344 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:25,440 dogs and get them away. Because a a dog that 345 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:29,319 was this emaciated, their teeth were so soft from years 346 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,640 of malnourishment that we had to go to a special 347 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,519 canine dentist. Their nails of their paws couldn't be trimmed 348 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,559 because they were just like Puddy, because they didn't have 349 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,599 the nourishment needed to form hard nails. And so this 350 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,759 is years of torture through a very sick person, and 351 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:50,559 we don't know who that person is. We never no 352 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:52,359 one ever was able to ever find them or anything. 353 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,720 But the ney thing about Macy was it's a testament 354 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:58,920 to dogs. And when I sat with her, most of 355 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,799 the time dogs will be in the corner, they'll be hiding. 356 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,640 I'll slowly work to bring them out of their shell, 357 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,079 and if I'm lucky, they'll eventually come to me, whereas 358 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,039 with her, she immediately came to me and put her 359 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,480 head on my chest and started crying, almost like a 360 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:17,960 human cry. Because the need for love and affection is 361 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,400 as strong often as the need for food. That's how 362 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,799 much when we try to act really tough and say 363 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:26,519 I don't need anybody, I'm gonna do this by myself. Well, 364 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:30,119 I don't need others, we are lying to ourselves. The 365 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:33,359 need for connection is the meaning of life, and she 366 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:35,640 was a true testament of that. And to this day 367 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:38,720 she is so loving to her new mom and so 368 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:42,519 happy and so healthy, and I don't know too many 369 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:44,839 humans who have been through situations like that that it 370 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,759 could come out on the other end and being so loving, 371 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,200 kind and willing to trust again. And she is a 372 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,839 testament to how much we have to learn from dogs. 373 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, very well said. And by the way, I'm 374 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,839 sorry Flip has gone and reading about it him was 375 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,680 just so joyful, I mean just our joyous, I should say, 376 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,319 it was just sounded like the most wonderful dog ever. 377 00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:11,839 Speaker 5: I think the neat thing about Flip two is is 378 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,519 the shared experiences I didn't realize so many of us 379 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:17,880 have with that soul dog that we have lost and 380 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,519 we yearned the meat again one day, or we can 381 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:24,039 often feel the presence with us or the dog that 382 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:26,240 we have to know that we know one day we'll 383 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,519 go over the rainbow and and we you know, we 384 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:31,039 hope the days go slow until that happens. And so 385 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,160 being able to connect with folks like yourself and others 386 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,039 around that has been just so amazing. 387 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: Woof this is also emotional. Do you ever get exhausted 388 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,519 when you're sitting with the dogs. It's a very emotional thing, 389 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,839 just that's rained from it. Just you're exciting and charismatic, 390 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,480 but I'm also feeling this like ah, because what everything 391 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:57,839 that they've gone through is is it's deep. But let's 392 00:20:57,839 --> 00:20:59,359 get to some lighter note here. 393 00:20:59,759 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 6: Yeah. 394 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:04,039 Speaker 2: Yes, So what was one of the more usual habits 395 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:06,599 of a rescue dog, either in the book or not, 396 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:10,519 something that made you go, where did this tug get 397 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:13,759 this affinity for this? Or why is he doing that? 398 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,599 Or something? What was the craziest thing you've ever found 399 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:18,720 from a rescue dog? 400 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 5: Yeah? I think every dog I've worked with teaches me 401 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,559 a lesson in one way or another. And I think, 402 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:27,400 to the most point, how unique each and every dog is. 403 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,279 The minute you go, oh, I love huskies and this 404 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,079 is exactly the way huskies are because you see common 405 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,079 traits and huskies, you meet a husky that is completely 406 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:39,880 different and it just surprises you to know in and 407 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:43,680 so encouraging because it's just like us when people say, 408 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,599 you know, oh, you're like this, so you don't need 409 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,359 to act this way and you don't fit that mold. 410 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:52,680 And I'm here to tell you that embrace that and 411 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,000 because dogs do you know, we. 412 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,319 Speaker 2: Should embrace our uniqueness and getting in the mold that 413 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,319 is that. Yeah, that's a great way to great answer 414 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,119 and a great thing to keep in mind. Let's talk 415 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,680 about dog's names, because you have a section in the 416 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,559 book where you talk about that. Can you share one 417 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:15,279 of the worst names you've ever heard? And that's because 418 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,880 most dogs in the shelter are named, but usually people 419 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,319 change their names, and sometimes they sound the same, sometimes 420 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:25,440 they don't. My dog Zeus, who's in Doggy Heaven, he 421 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,720 was named Binkie and returned to the shelter a binkie 422 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,799 also a pacifier. I don't get. He was like this 423 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,160 little black fluffball, but they said he was aggressive. No, 424 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,839 so I got him on the eve of Hurricane Wilma. 425 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,319 So it's either Fred or Zeus, who threw lightning bolts. 426 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,680 So I thought, well, go for Zeus. But he had 427 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:49,200 the moost, meekest personality. I called him my angel boy, 428 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,799 So that's kind of Zeus. 429 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 5: Well, and what a good name too, Like when you 430 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:57,880 hear Zeus, no matter his size, it defines his personality 431 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,559 that he is larger than life. And I had an 432 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,279 uncle that I love so much that told me it's 433 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,720 all in a name, like it really matters, it can 434 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:09,480 really define you or others and so be careful and 435 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:12,519 be kind in names. And I found that to be 436 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,279 true in dogs. You know, one dog came in that 437 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,440 I've had a lection a lot of bad dog names, 438 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,839 but one dog was named Venom. 439 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: Oh Denim what? 440 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,759 Speaker 5: And you know, some people say, oh, it's from the 441 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,279 character Spider Man. I don't think that was the situation here, 442 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:27,880 because there was definitely some neglect and some harm and 443 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,400 this dog was midnight black and was hiding in the 444 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,359 corner of the shelter. And this dog's names Venom. Well, 445 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,160 nobody is going to adopt that kind of dog. And 446 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,799 if someone's listening right now, they go, that's the dog, 447 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,359 the kind of dog I would adopt. Maybe, but most 448 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,920 people coming through the shelter might be first time dog 449 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,759 owners or might be looking for that cute, friendly dog. 450 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,400 And those are the dogs that get adopted, the ones 451 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,279 that come up to the front. 452 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,559 Speaker 2: Of the kennel. 453 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 5: They wag their tail, they lick you, they want to treat. 454 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,400 It's not the black dogs hiding in the shadows of 455 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,759 the corner of the kennel named Venom. And so I 456 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,680 was lucky enough to have the opportunity to sit with 457 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:07,640 Venom and learn their story and was able to rename 458 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:12,240 Venom to Honey because she was just adorable and when 459 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:16,640 you got past the fear, because I also went, oh, man, ooh, 460 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:18,240 is there something you know? Is there something to be 461 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,240 scared of? And I don't get the stories of the 462 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,920 dogs before we go in there, because I don't want 463 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,279 to make assumptions. I want to assess for myself unless 464 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:27,279 there's a massive caution of Hey, the many you open 465 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,839 this kennel door, this dog is attacking people. Okay, tell 466 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,200 me that. But when I sat down with her, she 467 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,319 was just scared and she was sweet and we spent 468 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,200 some time together and she came around and we renamed 469 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,240 her Honey, and someone adopted her, and she is now 470 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,920 a dog that is helping someone with special needs navigating 471 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,480 through busy malls where they have anxiety, and she is 472 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,119 the brave one. And so now people look at this 473 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,599 black dog that could be very scary with a name 474 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,279 like Venom, and they see Honey and they immediately go, oh, honey, 475 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,480 how what a cute dog. And so it just the 476 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:04,240 dog's demeanor the person's demeanor and allows everyone to just 477 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:06,519 be freer in that space because of the name. 478 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. What they say about names. You know, 479 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:13,519 it's interesting. What is the one message you want listeners 480 00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,240 to get from your book from listening to our show 481 00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,160 when considering adoption. 482 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,599 Speaker 5: Right want them to be open minded when they consider adoption. 483 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,920 Be open minded when they consider adoption, and be willing 484 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,480 to go to a shelter and roll with the punches. 485 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:33,839 Because shelters are not customer service organizations. They are a 486 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,400 safe haven for these pets. They are overwhelmed, underfunded, understaffed, 487 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,160 and they're just doing the best that they can with 488 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,519 every day being a very hard day. They lose all 489 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,359 of the time. And so if you go in there 490 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,000 with grace and you're willing to look at different kinds 491 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,200 of dogs and accept dogs versus going and going, I 492 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,839 want specifically this kind of dog unless you have a 493 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,240 specific use case like you're a farmer and you need 494 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,440 a great parentees to help watch it heard or something 495 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,039 like that, and consider fostering because then you get to 496 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:06,480 test drive the dogs, You help the dog, you help yourself, 497 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,279 you see if it might be a good fit. That 498 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,880 would be my message to people considering to adopt. 499 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,799 Speaker 2: What a great message. Where can people purchase sitting with dogs? 500 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 5: You can purchase it at any bookstore, and it is 501 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,839 so encouraging that so many people have been ordering and 502 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,079 pre ordering Sitting with Dogs. I am over the moon 503 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,960 and happy, and I hope people get this book and go. 504 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,240 You know, not only are there some heartwarming stories, but 505 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,839 I am so happy to consider adopting and I can 506 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,680 go do what Rocky's doing. Everyone can go help and 507 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,920 get involved in animals and do what I'm doing. You 508 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,000 don't have to be a veterinarian, you don't have to 509 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,440 be an expert. We all start somewhere. I make mistakes 510 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,400 all of the time, So I hope this book allows 511 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,240 you to do this. You don't have to go quit 512 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:51,960 your job. You can just go in on the weekends 513 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,519 and volunteer. But hopefully it helps others go do something 514 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:57,319 they love and that's work with animals. 515 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: Well, I want to thank you so much for writing it. 516 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,920 Where can people also find out more about you? And 517 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,240 flip Farms and flip coffee. 518 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 5: Flip Coffee dot com. You can go find me anywhere 519 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,599 which is my name, Rocky Kanaka across social media. You know, 520 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,160 we really get deep on the videos on YouTube, so 521 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,160 you can watch the whole transformation of the dog and 522 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,799 I just appreciate everyone being a part of. 523 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,759 Speaker 2: All of this. Well, I want to thank you so 524 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,680 much for coming back on Best Bets for Pets and 525 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,200 I wish you amazing success with your book. 526 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me and hope to be back soon. 527 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: I'd love to have you. I hope you all enjoyed 528 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,000 this show. I love talking with Rocky and what a book. 529 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,079 It's amazing again. It's called Sitting with Dogs, Stories of 530 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,039 Rescue Dogs going from Lust to Loved. Rocky Kanaka is 531 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,839 the author, and thank you Rocky so much for coming 532 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,599 on Best Bets for Pets. Thanks to all of the 533 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,559 dogs in my life, Cassidy and Zeus for teaching, and 534 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:57,160 Bailey and Nicky for teaching me about dogs and they're 535 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,519 amazing creatures. Thank you now to my current which is 536 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:05,240 all tabs, Mollie, Charlotte and Dennis. You guys walk different 537 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,559 than dogs, but you're special in your way. And of course, 538 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,279 a big, huge thank you to everyone that listening to 539 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,880 Best Bets for Pets. I appreciate your listenership so much. 540 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,720 And a auge thank you to my producer Mark Winter 541 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,599 for all he does in making my only my show, 542 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,920 but all of the show is great. He is an 543 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,039 amazing producer, and hey, remember keep listening because you never 544 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,440 know what we're going to have next. On Best Bets 545 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,240 for Pets 546 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 4: Let's talk bets every week on demand only on petlive 547 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:49,640 radio dot com