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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, crashing the economy, recession looming.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens next? Watch what happens will happen right here.

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<v Speaker 1>On fifty five KRC, the Talk station Ato six at

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five KRC, the Talk Station, A very happy Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>to you, Judge Ennenapolotano every Wednesday, bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta wait for that, and I know you will. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, I'm so pleased to welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five RC Morning Show, doing an empower You seminar

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow night, beginning at seven pm, following Trump on the

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<v Speaker 1>campaign trail. My guest today Janis Heisel, who will provide

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<v Speaker 1>a lengthy discussion upon this Tomorrow night. You can show

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<v Speaker 1>up live or in person empower Youamerica dot org. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to register whether you're showing up in person or

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<v Speaker 1>going to be logging in from home former President Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on the campaign trail for the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four general election ballot and related issues before joining the

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<v Speaker 1>Epoch or Epic Times. We'll learn what she calls it.

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<v Speaker 1>She worked for more than two decades as a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>for newspapers here in Ohio and also has authored several books.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the morning. Welcome to the program, j Before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to Donald Trump and the campaign trail, is

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<v Speaker 1>it epic or epoch? I've looked online. Pronunciation can be

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<v Speaker 1>either way. How do you pronounce it? Good morning, Janis.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you are a British issue, could say epoch

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds a lot more posh. But if you're more

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<v Speaker 2>American market, you can say epic. All right, wow, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I choose the British pronuncia epoch because I want people

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<v Speaker 1>to know how to spell it, because if you say epic,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid they're going to go to the Epic Epic

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<v Speaker 1>Times dot com, which won't take you to the the

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<v Speaker 1>Epoch Times dot com, which they should go to because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a wonderful source of excellent information and reporting. I

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<v Speaker 1>salute you Janie for working there.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I do a log into your site every single day

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<v Speaker 1>in preparation for the fifty five KRC Morning Show. So

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<v Speaker 1>good work you're doing there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. I'm really glad to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's It's a worthy side of visiting. No so, I

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<v Speaker 1>consult all types of sites, from the most conservative to

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<v Speaker 1>the most liberals, kind of give me a broader perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of what people are talking about and their take on

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<v Speaker 1>various issues. So turning to the campaign, and apparently you

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<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time on the campaign trail, and

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<v Speaker 1>I get the impression that if you're not hiding out

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<v Speaker 1>and running a campaign from a basement, it's hard work

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<v Speaker 1>running for president.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my lord, I got to tell you, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I've been a reporter for thirty years, including

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen at the since that Inquirer before I came here,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing prepared me for this role I had that I

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<v Speaker 2>was both blessed and cursed with. It was the most

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<v Speaker 2>challenging thing I've done in my thirty year career. And

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, I'd like to read a quick quote from

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<v Speaker 2>one of my stories, the twenty twenty four Road to

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<v Speaker 2>the White House has been riddled with more potholes, land mines,

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<v Speaker 2>and detours than anyone could have imagined. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>so true. I was there for all of it, almost

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<v Speaker 2>all of it, and there were a few things I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't able to cover because of logistics, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't get from here to there in time, or

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<v Speaker 2>or I had some vacations or whatnot. Very few, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>it was crazy. I covered sixty Trump events in person

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<v Speaker 2>and several dozen more like remotely, like using you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a live stream or whatever. So it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>quite an ordeal. I ended up traveling enough miles to

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<v Speaker 2>go around the world three point two times.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my word. Well, and I know the burning question

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<v Speaker 1>of my listener's mind right now. July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>when Donald Trump almost lost his life, were you there?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, yes, I was definitely going to point that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was. I even wrote a rare first

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<v Speaker 2>person account of my experiences because I had a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a different experience where I was. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>see Trump where I was. They keep a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the print reporters way back behind where the TV cameras

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<v Speaker 2>is all we could see. And there was an immigration start,

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<v Speaker 2>the one that he credits was saving his life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>turned to look at it and just that weird experience

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<v Speaker 2>of being in this information vacuum. At first people thought

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was firecrackers. Other people thought maybe it was

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<v Speaker 2>somebody opening fire in the crowd itself, because you couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell the way the sound echoed exactly what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really terrifying, and it was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>in my career that I was in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>an active shooting. And there is nothing that can prepare

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<v Speaker 2>you for that. It gives me much more. I always

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<v Speaker 2>respected the good guys in law enforcement and in our military,

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<v Speaker 2>but my goodness, it gave me new respect for those

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<v Speaker 2>people who literally put themselves in the line of fire.

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<v Speaker 2>I later learned I wasn't in the line of fire myself,

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<v Speaker 2>thank goodness, but just being there was truly terrifying. I

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<v Speaker 2>was trembling underneath the table, trying to figure out in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind races you wonder what in the world is

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<v Speaker 2>going on. People are screaming, you know, there's just no

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<v Speaker 2>information at all where I was about what was really happening.

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<v Speaker 1>All that had to be just absolutely insane because beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the cameras, folks with a the clear view of the

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<v Speaker 1>stage and Donald Trump, they obviously could see exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be so strange to be in your situation

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<v Speaker 1>to hear the gunfire and see people's reaction, but not

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<v Speaker 1>really have a connection with exactly what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was very frustrating as just even a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>But then as a reporter, after I came out from

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<v Speaker 2>underneath the table and thought maybe I should go hide

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<v Speaker 2>someplace elf, because it was a small wooden like a

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<v Speaker 2>wooden thin table, people were yelling to me, ma'am, did

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<v Speaker 2>Trump get shot? And I had to say I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my instincts as a reporter to get the story,

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<v Speaker 2>we're competing, of course, with your instincts to literally just survive,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because you don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable. Well, pivoting away from July thirteenth, Yeah, you were

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<v Speaker 1>at a total of like sixty events. Did you get

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<v Speaker 1>access to Donald Trump? Did you ever able to engage

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<v Speaker 1>A with him on any level?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know that is of course every reporter wants

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people don't realize, including I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that there are hundreds of reporters that show up

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<v Speaker 2>at almost all of these events. It was literally crazy

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<v Speaker 2>to try to even get any access at all. There

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<v Speaker 2>were only a few press gaggles like if you're set

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<v Speaker 2>way back in the middle of some big arena, you're

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<v Speaker 2>never going to get the chance to, you know, talk

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<v Speaker 2>to him. And this was my biggest handicap is that

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<v Speaker 2>I was a political national politics newcomer, even though I've

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<v Speaker 2>been in the business thirty years. I covered mostly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cops and courts here locally, and you know, this was

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<v Speaker 2>an entirely different stage. And yeah, of course I go

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<v Speaker 2>into this and I'm I'm collecting. You know, here's what

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<v Speaker 2>I would ask him if I get that interview. I finally, finally,

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<v Speaker 2>towards the very end of the campaign, I kept trying

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to get even a question in. You're yelling,

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<v Speaker 2>mister President, and he's not recognizing you. He's recognizing you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the the quote unquote big media outlets that are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're actually a fairly good size one, but he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that come to mine at Fox News, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even CNN, you know, those types of reporters are getting

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<v Speaker 2>those questions in and he is not recognizing me. And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>in Swanna Noah, North Carolina, where the hurricane hit, I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to get a question. I was determined this

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<v Speaker 2>was right. Prior to the election. I'm going I am not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ending this election season without at least asking

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<v Speaker 2>him a question. I did ask him, and unlike a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of reporters, I'm very proud of this. I asked

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<v Speaker 2>him in a very non judgmental way, none of my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>you know in the injected into the question. I simply

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<v Speaker 2>asked him, you know, mister president, we are here because

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<v Speaker 2>you said you are you wanted to see this damage,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're actually, you know, so impressed by the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that people lost everything and still early voted. What would

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<v Speaker 2>you like to say to those voters right now? And

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<v Speaker 2>he gave me a pretty extensive answer, which hello Trump

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<v Speaker 2>usually does. But I managed to squeeze in a second

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<v Speaker 2>question and said, so, how does this damage compare to other,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, disaster areas that you have toured? And he

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<v Speaker 2>answered that saying that what was weird about this It

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<v Speaker 2>was very random, unlike you know, you know, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>random like a tornado where sometimes one house will be

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<v Speaker 2>skipped and then the other house will be destroyed with

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<v Speaker 2>a wide swat of just devastation as far as you

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<v Speaker 2>could see. And so he shared that, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>that was quite an experience to have him, you know, say,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I say, mister President, yes, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he spoke it talking to me. Wow, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know that might sound silly to have that as being,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something that I worked so hard to get.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is harder to even get that question asked

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<v Speaker 2>than most people ever imagine, including me having been in

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<v Speaker 2>the news business hall these years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what's going to be neat about your your

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<v Speaker 1>presentation tomorrow evening, because you get you give people sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the real life world of a reporter, what you

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<v Speaker 1>have to go through and uh, sort of the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>that you face, and clearly you've illustrated one are the

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<v Speaker 1>challenges your Your competition is all over the place. So

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<v Speaker 1>now in terms of the number of events you went to,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty did And this wouldn't be a criticism of Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>because I have to imagine that, you know, there's only

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<v Speaker 1>so much you can say on the campaign trail. But

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<v Speaker 1>he does go off and he doesn't rely as much

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<v Speaker 1>on a monitor. And I wanted to see if that

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<v Speaker 1>was in fact true, because I get the impression that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's is going to say what's on Donald Trump's mind,

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<v Speaker 1>he knows where he is on policies and positions. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't need to read it directly off of a teleprompter,

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<v Speaker 1>although he I guess he relies on it sometimes. But

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<v Speaker 1>did it become sort of redundant, like okay, here's event

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<v Speaker 1>number forty seven and I know exactly what he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, or did he kind of change it up regularly.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually did manage to squeeze in a number of

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<v Speaker 2>new policy positions. So a lot of times he would

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<v Speaker 2>do that, you know, it would sort of become a

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<v Speaker 2>theme now he did, you know, kind of have your

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<v Speaker 2>normal stump speech. Things that he would say pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>over and over about immigration, and these things always got

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<v Speaker 2>large applause when he would say no men and women's sports,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest applause lines every time he said it. But

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<v Speaker 2>he did, for example, when he was in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that venue he chose it to unveil his

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<v Speaker 2>usually just excerpts, and you could never necessarily count on

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<v Speaker 2>that he seemed scatterbrained, but he called is it purposeful?

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<v Speaker 2>He calls it the weave where he weaves into other

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<v Speaker 1>And the one thing I noticed about Trump, he comes

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that seems to be something I've actually heard

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<v Speaker 2>other people comment on as well. People tell me there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing like a Trump rally, that it's not the same,

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<v Speaker 2>like that based on my you know, observations prior to

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<v Speaker 2>covering this campaign, just as a citizen noticing the political process,

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of his messaging. Like I said, they were,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, honestly, I'm probably speaking with someone who's got more

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<v Speaker 1>experience with live Donald Trump's speeches than virtually anybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation now in terms of media bias. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're going to talk about this more at length

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<v Speaker 1>again tomorrow beginning at seven pm Empower you America dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Being surrounded by all those reporters since you just mentioned them,

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<v Speaker 1>covering his speeches. Did did did they make comments or

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<v Speaker 1>get to give a sense of media bias, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>during the chatter that you were exposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't pay a lot of attention to other media

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<v Speaker 2>But there were times when I would hear grumbling I

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<v Speaker 2>would see people. This part really bothered me just because

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of who is speaking, whether it's a candidate you

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<v Speaker 2>national anthem. A lot of them not, you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not respectful, because hello, we all are citizens

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<v Speaker 2>of this country and we are practicing a profession enshrined

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<v Speaker 2>in our first amendments and you know, you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's going to be a wonderful presentation. Empoweroamerica dot

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<v Speaker 1>where you'll hear Janis Heisel speak about a wild ride

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<v Speaker 1>covering the Trump twenty twenty four presidential campaign. And you'll

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<v Speaker 1>about that as well. It'll be certainly insightful. They're doing

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<v Speaker 1>great work there. Jennis, thanks for the time you smell

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners of me today and thanks for covering the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump campaign. And we'll be following you on the Epoch

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very grateful. Thank you, Brian, have a great day.

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