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Speaker 1: fifty five KRC, the Talk Station, A very happy Wednesday
Speaker 1: to you, Judge Ennenapolotano every Wednesday, bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: Gotta wait for that, and I know you will. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime, I'm so pleased to welcome to the
Speaker 1: fifty five RC Morning Show, doing an empower You seminar
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, beginning at seven pm, following Trump on the
Speaker 1: campaign trail. My guest today Janis Heisel, who will provide
Speaker 1: a lengthy discussion upon this Tomorrow night. You can show
Speaker 1: up live or in person empower Youamerica dot org. You
Speaker 1: need to register whether you're showing up in person or
Speaker 1: going to be logging in from home former President Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: She was on the campaign trail for the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four general election ballot and related issues before joining the
Speaker 1: Epoch or Epic Times. We'll learn what she calls it.
Speaker 1: She worked for more than two decades as a reporter
Speaker 1: for newspapers here in Ohio and also has authored several books.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the morning. Welcome to the program, j Before
Speaker 1: we get to Donald Trump and the campaign trail, is
Speaker 1: it epic or epoch? I've looked online. Pronunciation can be
Speaker 1: either way. How do you pronounce it? Good morning, Janis.
Speaker 2: Well, if you are a British issue, could say epoch
Speaker 2: it sounds a lot more posh. But if you're more
Speaker 2: American market, you can say epic. All right, wow, that's
Speaker 2: how I look at it.
Speaker 1: I choose the British pronuncia epoch because I want people
Speaker 1: to know how to spell it, because if you say epic,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid they're going to go to the Epic Epic
Speaker 1: Times dot com, which won't take you to the the
Speaker 1: Epoch Times dot com, which they should go to because
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful source of excellent information and reporting. I
Speaker 1: salute you Janie for working there.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I do a log into your site every single day
Speaker 1: in preparation for the fifty five KRC Morning Show. So
Speaker 1: good work you're doing there.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I'm really glad to hear that.
Speaker 1: It's It's a worthy side of visiting. No so, I
Speaker 1: consult all types of sites, from the most conservative to
Speaker 1: the most liberals, kind of give me a broader perspective
Speaker 1: of what people are talking about and their take on
Speaker 1: various issues. So turning to the campaign, and apparently you
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on the campaign trail, and
Speaker 1: I get the impression that if you're not hiding out
Speaker 1: and running a campaign from a basement, it's hard work
Speaker 1: running for president.
Speaker 2: Oh my lord, I got to tell you, you know,
Speaker 2: even though I've been a reporter for thirty years, including
Speaker 2: fifteen at the since that Inquirer before I came here,
Speaker 2: nothing prepared me for this role I had that I
Speaker 2: was both blessed and cursed with. It was the most
Speaker 2: challenging thing I've done in my thirty year career. And
Speaker 2: in fact, I'd like to read a quick quote from
Speaker 2: one of my stories, the twenty twenty four Road to
Speaker 2: the White House has been riddled with more potholes, land mines,
Speaker 2: and detours than anyone could have imagined. And that is
Speaker 2: so true. I was there for all of it, almost
Speaker 2: all of it, and there were a few things I
Speaker 2: wasn't able to cover because of logistics, like you know,
Speaker 2: you can't get from here to there in time, or
Speaker 2: or I had some vacations or whatnot. Very few, but man,
Speaker 2: it was crazy. I covered sixty Trump events in person
Speaker 2: and several dozen more like remotely, like using you know,
Speaker 2: a live stream or whatever. So it was. It was
Speaker 2: quite an ordeal. I ended up traveling enough miles to
Speaker 2: go around the world three point two times.
Speaker 1: Oh my word. Well, and I know the burning question
Speaker 1: of my listener's mind right now. July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: when Donald Trump almost lost his life, were you there?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yes, I was definitely going to point that out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. I even wrote a rare first
Speaker 2: person account of my experiences because I had a little
Speaker 2: bit of a different experience where I was. I couldn't
Speaker 2: see Trump where I was. They keep a lot of
Speaker 2: the print reporters way back behind where the TV cameras
Speaker 2: are all set up, and so all we could see
Speaker 2: where I was the crowd and I you know this,
Speaker 2: these TV the big screens that they have the monitors
Speaker 2: is all we could see. And there was an immigration start,
Speaker 2: the one that he credits was saving his life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: turned to look at it and just that weird experience
Speaker 2: of being in this information vacuum. At first people thought
Speaker 2: maybe it was firecrackers. Other people thought maybe it was
Speaker 2: somebody opening fire in the crowd itself, because you couldn't
Speaker 2: tell the way the sound echoed exactly what was going on.
Speaker 2: It was really terrifying, and it was the first time
Speaker 2: in my career that I was in the middle of
Speaker 2: an active shooting. And there is nothing that can prepare
Speaker 2: you for that. It gives me much more. I always
Speaker 2: respected the good guys in law enforcement and in our military,
Speaker 2: but my goodness, it gave me new respect for those
Speaker 2: people who literally put themselves in the line of fire.
Speaker 2: I later learned I wasn't in the line of fire myself,
Speaker 2: thank goodness, but just being there was truly terrifying. I
Speaker 2: was trembling underneath the table, trying to figure out in
Speaker 2: my mind races you wonder what in the world is
Speaker 2: going on. People are screaming, you know, there's just no
Speaker 2: information at all where I was about what was really happening.
Speaker 1: All that had to be just absolutely insane because beyond
Speaker 1: the cameras, folks with a the clear view of the
Speaker 1: stage and Donald Trump, they obviously could see exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: It would be so strange to be in your situation
Speaker 1: to hear the gunfire and see people's reaction, but not
Speaker 1: really have a connection with exactly what was going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very frustrating as just even a human being.
Speaker 2: But then as a reporter, after I came out from
Speaker 2: underneath the table and thought maybe I should go hide
Speaker 2: someplace elf, because it was a small wooden like a
Speaker 2: wooden thin table, people were yelling to me, ma'am, did
Speaker 2: Trump get shot? And I had to say I didn't know.
Speaker 2: And so my instincts as a reporter to get the story,
Speaker 2: we're competing, of course, with your instincts to literally just survive,
Speaker 2: you know, because you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Well, pivoting away from July thirteenth, Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: at a total of like sixty events. Did you get
Speaker 1: access to Donald Trump? Did you ever able to engage
Speaker 1: in a sort of a one on one Q and
Speaker 1: A with him on any level?
Speaker 2: Well, you know that is of course every reporter wants
Speaker 2: that a lot of people don't realize, including I didn't
Speaker 2: realize that there are hundreds of reporters that show up
Speaker 2: at almost all of these events. It was literally crazy
Speaker 2: to try to even get any access at all. There
Speaker 2: were only a few press gaggles like if you're set
Speaker 2: way back in the middle of some big arena, you're
Speaker 2: never going to get the chance to, you know, talk
Speaker 2: to him. And this was my biggest handicap is that
Speaker 2: I was a political national politics newcomer, even though I've
Speaker 2: been in the business thirty years. I covered mostly, you know,
Speaker 2: cops and courts here locally, and you know, this was
Speaker 2: an entirely different stage. And yeah, of course I go
Speaker 2: into this and I'm I'm collecting. You know, here's what
Speaker 2: I would ask him if I get that interview. I finally, finally,
Speaker 2: towards the very end of the campaign, I kept trying
Speaker 2: and trying to get even a question in. You're yelling,
Speaker 2: mister President, and he's not recognizing you. He's recognizing you know,
Speaker 2: the the quote unquote big media outlets that are you know,
Speaker 2: we're actually a fairly good size one, but he's you know,
Speaker 2: the ones that come to mine at Fox News, you know,
Speaker 2: even CNN, you know, those types of reporters are getting
Speaker 2: those questions in and he is not recognizing me. And finally,
Speaker 2: in Swanna Noah, North Carolina, where the hurricane hit, I
Speaker 2: was able to get a question. I was determined this
Speaker 2: was right. Prior to the election. I'm going I am not,
Speaker 2: you know, ending this election season without at least asking
Speaker 2: him a question. I did ask him, and unlike a
Speaker 2: lot of reporters, I'm very proud of this. I asked
Speaker 2: him in a very non judgmental way, none of my opinion,
Speaker 2: you know in the injected into the question. I simply
Speaker 2: asked him, you know, mister president, we are here because
Speaker 2: you said you are you wanted to see this damage,
Speaker 2: and you're actually, you know, so impressed by the fact
Speaker 2: that people lost everything and still early voted. What would
Speaker 2: you like to say to those voters right now? And
Speaker 2: he gave me a pretty extensive answer, which hello Trump
Speaker 2: usually does. But I managed to squeeze in a second
Speaker 2: question and said, so, how does this damage compare to other,
Speaker 2: you know, disaster areas that you have toured? And he
Speaker 2: answered that saying that what was weird about this It
Speaker 2: was very random, unlike you know, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: random like a tornado where sometimes one house will be
Speaker 2: skipped and then the other house will be destroyed with
Speaker 2: a wide swat of just devastation as far as you
Speaker 2: could see. And so he shared that, and that was
Speaker 2: that was quite an experience to have him, you know, say,
Speaker 2: and when I say, mister President, yes, you know, and
Speaker 2: he spoke it talking to me. Wow, you know, but
Speaker 2: you know that might sound silly to have that as being,
Speaker 2: you know, something that I worked so hard to get.
Speaker 2: But it is harder to even get that question asked
Speaker 2: than most people ever imagine, including me having been in
Speaker 2: the news business hall these years.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what's going to be neat about your your
Speaker 1: presentation tomorrow evening, because you get you give people sort
Speaker 1: of the real life world of a reporter, what you
Speaker 1: have to go through and uh, sort of the challenges
Speaker 1: that you face, and clearly you've illustrated one are the
Speaker 1: challenges your Your competition is all over the place. So
Speaker 1: now in terms of the number of events you went to,
Speaker 1: sixty did And this wouldn't be a criticism of Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: because I have to imagine that, you know, there's only
Speaker 1: so much you can say on the campaign trail. But
Speaker 1: he does go off and he doesn't rely as much
Speaker 1: on a monitor. And I wanted to see if that
Speaker 1: was in fact true, because I get the impression that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's is going to say what's on Donald Trump's mind,
Speaker 1: he knows where he is on policies and positions. He
Speaker 1: doesn't need to read it directly off of a teleprompter,
Speaker 1: although he I guess he relies on it sometimes. But
Speaker 1: did it become sort of redundant, like okay, here's event
Speaker 1: number forty seven and I know exactly what he's going
Speaker 1: to say, or did he kind of change it up regularly.
Speaker 2: He actually did manage to squeeze in a number of
Speaker 2: new policy positions. So a lot of times he would
Speaker 2: do that, you know, it would sort of become a
Speaker 2: theme now he did, you know, kind of have your
Speaker 2: normal stump speech. Things that he would say pretty much
Speaker 2: over and over about immigration, and these things always got
Speaker 2: large applause when he would say no men and women's sports,
Speaker 2: applause and cheers. You know that that was one of
Speaker 2: the biggest applause lines every time he said it. But
Speaker 2: he did, for example, when he was in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: I think that venue he chose it to unveil his
Speaker 2: no tax on tips because of the heavy you know
Speaker 2: how much Las Vegas relies on tourism and service workers
Speaker 2: like people who work in restaurants and bars, and you know,
Speaker 2: the wonderful Broadway shows things like that uh so Broadway
Speaker 2: type shows in Las Vegas. So he he did taylor
Speaker 2: a lot of his remarks to the specific place that
Speaker 2: you know, I noticed that, And yes, he did tend
Speaker 2: to go off off script quite a bit. I did
Speaker 2: occasionally get the Trump team to provide me with an
Speaker 2: advanced copy of his speech, but you know, it was
Speaker 2: usually just excerpts, and you could never necessarily count on
Speaker 2: that he would say these exact things because of that
Speaker 2: tendency of his to go off script to kind of meander.
Speaker 2: Some people call it, you know, you know, would say
Speaker 2: that he seemed scatterbrained, but he called is it purposeful?
Speaker 2: He calls it the weave where he weaves into other
Speaker 2: segues and then comes back, and he says, it takes
Speaker 2: skill to come back to where you were.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you agree with me or not,
Speaker 1: but I because of my hours, I get up at
Speaker 1: two thirty in the morning, so quite often I miss
Speaker 1: the actual speeches, the presidential addresses, you know, the state
Speaker 1: of the nation type of things, because I go to
Speaker 1: about at eight. But then I will read the full transcript.
Speaker 1: And the one thing I noticed about Trump, he comes
Speaker 1: across much better when you're hearing him live, because you know,
Speaker 1: being a man of words that I am and my
Speaker 1: prior background as a lawyer, I you know, I'm very
Speaker 1: cognizant and aware of grammar and use and structure in sentences,
Speaker 1: and his doesn't translate on paper as well as it
Speaker 1: does when he's in person.
Speaker 2: You know, that seems to be something I've actually heard
Speaker 2: other people comment on as well. People tell me there's
Speaker 2: nothing like a Trump rally, that it's not the same,
Speaker 2: you know, just you know, reading an article or getting
Speaker 2: a little sippet of what he said. I do feel
Speaker 2: like that based on my you know, observations prior to
Speaker 2: covering this campaign, just as a citizen noticing the political process,
Speaker 2: that he did seem to be somewhat more on point
Speaker 2: with a lot of his messaging. Like I said, they were,
Speaker 2: the messages a lot of times were targeted to this
Speaker 2: specific place. It seemed to me more specific. Maybe I
Speaker 2: just paid more attention, happy to cover it. I got you.
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, I'm probably speaking with someone who's got more
Speaker 1: experience with live Donald Trump's speeches than virtually anybody in
Speaker 1: the nation now in terms of media bias. And I
Speaker 1: know you're going to talk about this more at length
Speaker 1: again tomorrow beginning at seven pm Empower you America dot org.
Speaker 1: Being surrounded by all those reporters since you just mentioned them,
Speaker 1: did you could could you hear their bias? I mean
Speaker 1: certainly comes across from their reporting. And I'm sure there
Speaker 1: were a lot of traditionally, you know, the the mainstream
Speaker 1: media or and or left wing rags out there to
Speaker 1: covering his speeches. Did did did they make comments or
Speaker 1: get to give a sense of media bias, you know,
Speaker 1: during the chatter that you were exposed to.
Speaker 2: I didn't pay a lot of attention to other media
Speaker 2: because I was so focused on what I was doing.
Speaker 2: But there were times when I would hear grumbling I
Speaker 2: would see people. This part really bothered me just because
Speaker 2: regardless of who is speaking, whether it's a candidate you
Speaker 2: love or hate, they were not standing up for the
Speaker 2: national anthem. A lot of them not, you know, not
Speaker 2: over the pledge of allegiance, that kind of you know,
Speaker 2: just I felt steamrolling off my head when I would
Speaker 2: notice some of those people was sitting there, And to me,
Speaker 2: it's just not respectful, because hello, we all are citizens
Speaker 2: of this country and we are practicing a profession enshrined
Speaker 2: in our first amendments and you know, you know, to me,
Speaker 2: there needs to be respect for that, regardless of how
Speaker 2: you feel about the candidate who is on that stage.
Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be a wonderful presentation. Empoweroamerica dot
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Speaker 1: where you'll hear Janis Heisel speak about a wild ride
Speaker 1: covering the Trump twenty twenty four presidential campaign. And you'll
Speaker 1: also you're going to hear from about the h I've
Speaker 1: had him on my program before, the positive cure for
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Speaker 1: Singer is going to lead off with a little presentation
Speaker 1: about that as well. It'll be certainly insightful. They're doing
Speaker 1: great work there. Jennis, thanks for the time you smell
Speaker 1: my listeners of me today and thanks for covering the
Speaker 1: Trump campaign. And we'll be following you on the Epoch
Speaker 1: or Epic Times. Just find it online. The e E.
Speaker 2: P O. C. H.
Speaker 1: Times dot Com. You'd be glad you did. Bookmarket Janis,
Speaker 1: thanks again.
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful. Thank you, Brian, have a great day.
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