WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.360 In this spooky episode of pop Culture Weekly, It's Halloween. 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:08.560 I talk with Michael Myers himself, Nick. 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:14.000 Castle, end Ray herself from the Galaxy Far Far Away, 4 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:14.880 Daisy Ridley. 5 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:15.400 Let's go. 6 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:21.559 Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio 7 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:26.760 your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on 8 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:30.960 all the movies, TV, music and pop culture UKRABE Weekly. 9 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:37.119 Here's Kyle McMahon, Nan Nana no. 10 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.520 Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon. 11 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.399 I of course am Kyle McMahon, and it is another 12 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.880 October episode that means Halloween. 13 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:47.759 You know, that's my. 14 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:50.640 Favorite day of the year. It's my favorite time of 15 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:55.880 the year. I love horror, I love spooky season, and 16 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:59.079 this month I feel like we've been bringing all the 17 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:05.239 great you know, spooky people out, spooky content, horror movies, thrillers, 18 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:07.640 just you know, getting it all up. Last episode we 19 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:11.719 had Bruce Campbell, who's so amazing. We talked about Hysteria 20 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.280 and Teacut, which is this terrifying series on Peacock. It's 21 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.120 just been oh and Kado Lake, the m Night Shyamalan 22 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:21.680 produced film that I talk with Dylan O'Brien and Eliza 23 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.599 Scanley such just such great content, and this episode is 24 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:32.480 no different. I talk with the Shape himself, the original 25 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:39.239 OG Michael Myers. Yes, I talk with Nick Cassel all 26 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:42.319 about Halloween, which is out in theaters right now, with 27 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.200 a couple of the sequels as well. And then I 28 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:52.120 talk with Ray Daisy Ridley. Yes, Daisy Ridley, I talk 29 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:57.879 about her brand new film called Magpie, which is really 30 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.400 really really creepy and really really really good. 31 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:03.200 You're gonna love it. But we'll talk about that in 32 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:03.760 a moment. 33 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.439 First up, let's get right into my interview with the 34 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:11.759 one and only Nick Castle, who gives us a very 35 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:17.280 cool exclusive on the future of the Halloween franchise. Here 36 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:23.840 he is Nick Castle. So, is this like your busy 37 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.240 time of the year. I mean, obviously you're busy all year, 38 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.800 but is this like an insane time for you? 39 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.400 Well, you know, I'm not busy all year. I'm a 40 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:37.800 retired motion picture director writer and having a wonderful time 41 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:42.159 in retirement. But nonetheless, what I do do is go 42 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.360 do a lot of horror conventions, fan conventions, and especially 43 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.479 this time of year is very popular. Over the last 44 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.919 eight weeks, I've gone to six different cities just to 45 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.199 talk to the fans, and they have a blast with 46 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:59.520 this character, signing autographs and masks and knives and all 47 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.800 times of stuff. So I have the pleasure and the 48 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:10.000 privilege of being an ambassador for John's movie and for 49 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.520 a lot of the other a lot of the other 50 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.840 films that have been spawned by this character. 51 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:23.400 Yeah, I mean, Halloween is such an iconic film, the franchise. 52 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:25.800 You know, I'm a huge horror fan. I'm a huge 53 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:30.319 Halloween fan. Halloween is my favorite. It's the og for me. 54 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.680 What is it like to be you know, I mean, 55 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:36.039 you are the shape Michael Myers. What is it like 56 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:40.000 to be that character in a film that has just 57 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.439 through decades endured. 58 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:48.599 Well, you know, it's pretty funny. Actually, I find it 59 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.599 ironic because you know, what I'll be remembered for is 60 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:55.680 this movie after having done a dozen movies or writing 61 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:00.719 of another three or four. But it's so much fun 62 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.240 because you get to meet the fans at these conventions, 63 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:09.879 and that's how I know how beloved in its own 64 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:14.039 strange way, this character is meeting people that actually are 65 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:18.959 affected by this that their first movie was Halloween, or 66 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.959 their first horror movie. They sat down with their parents 67 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.360 and watched it, and they remember it fondly for that, 68 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.319 so it's almost like a family affair. And of course 69 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:32.199 it happens every year. It was brilliantly, you know, titled Halloween. 70 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:36.879 So every year around this time, you're reminded not only 71 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:39.800 of the season, but of this little movie that was 72 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:42.759 done so well that you don't mind going back to 73 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:43.839 it over and over again. 74 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:50.040 Yeah, and for you, you know, over these decades, when 75 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.759 you look back nineteen seventy seven, nineteen seventy eight, did 76 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.480 you ever think that this was going to you know, 77 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.040 that you'd be talking about at forty some years later. 78 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.720 Absolutely not. You know, at the time, this was a 79 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:07.720 little film that you hoped would get you know, decent 80 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:12.240 distribution and that you hope John would get another job. 81 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:12.720 From right. 82 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:19.240 And within the year it was the largest grossing independent 83 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.879 film of all time, and especially for the budget was 84 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:28.560 was was a crazy reality. And so h no no idea. 85 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.680 And you've talked about you know, you've talked about the 86 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:36.680 film so much. Uh, is there anything that you know 87 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.839 is little known about you know, a little known fact 88 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:43.240 about the film that you haven't maybe been asked about 89 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:44.439 or haven't discussed. 90 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.160 Oh dear, you know, yes, I've Folks like you have 91 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:53.000 mined pretty much everything out of this brain. The one 92 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.800 thing I like to remind people of is the UH 93 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.279 as a partnership that John had with Deborah Hill, the 94 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:04.000 producer and writer of the picture, was no small part 95 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:08.240 in making this thing a reality and making it so good. 96 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:13.120 She she helped work with the young actresses on the 97 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:16.000 set UH and like I said, co wrote it with 98 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:22.519 him and was a tremendous talent. Died too young and 99 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.759 didn't get to have as much as the fun of 100 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:29.000 these last decades of how how the movie has grown 101 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:34.519 in in fan base exponentially, it seems almost year after year. 102 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:38.560 So I tribute just a reminder to folks that there 103 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.160 was a woman involved with this this show, that that 104 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.199 had a lot to do with its success. 105 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:46.600 I love that so much. 106 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.240 And you know, Halloween is playing right now and what 107 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:54.959 nearly eight hundred theaters across the country. It's not every 108 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:58.319 movie that gets that gets a re release, you know, 109 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:05.360 like that, especially decades later, is you know for you 110 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.279 you also did the thing that I love about, you know, 111 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.560 a franchise like Halloween. Is that then you have different 112 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:13.839 takes on it. You know, Rob Zombie did a take 113 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:19.600 on it, and and then the recent trilogy from from 114 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:24.560 David Gordon Green, which which you were in. Do you 115 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.439 enjoy seeing the different you know? And then there's there's 116 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.439 books and games and comic books and all that. Do 117 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.800 you enjoy seeing the different kind of you know, creative 118 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:36.800 takes on the franchise? 119 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.480 Oh? Yes, I mean, in fact, I wouldn't mind seeing 120 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.959 more of them. I'd love to see a film do 121 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.839 an episode each from a great filmmaker to do their 122 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:53.680 own Michael Myers like Rob just did, and David Gordon Green, 123 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.839 you know, he came up with the concepts of doing 124 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.920 a forty years later one and how they approach it. 125 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.720 I thought that was magnificently done. And then talking about 126 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.120 artistic endeavors, there are even books now of people that 127 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:14.240 have done artwork that include the movie or the character 128 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:19.279 that are just spectaculars that are beautifully done. So the 129 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.040 movie has inspired a lot of artists and you can 130 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:25.160 see it in and when I go, especially when I 131 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.160 go to these conventions where people will bring posters of 132 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.879 things that people have made out of, you know, from 133 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.919 their homes. You know, there's just spectacular work and it's 134 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.360 it's it's it's really quite remarkable. 135 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:39.120 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 136 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.440 And do you happen to have any any idea where 137 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:43.759 you know, is there talk of. 138 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:46.519 Bringing another film out? 139 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.320 Oh? Yeah, I spoke to Malika cod who is the uh, 140 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:59.080 the owner of the franchise. Oh. They're busy trying to 141 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:04.039 figure out the next next, the next iteration. And of 142 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.279 course I think he's talked about having a relationship with 143 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.559 Mery Max and they're thinking maybe TV might be the 144 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.600 next step. I don't know what that means exactly, but 145 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.320 that might be the next time you see the Halloween 146 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.639 world pop out. 147 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:23.519 I love that. And originally wasn't. 148 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.360 John's original idea was to do like each year would 149 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.559 be It wouldn't be necessarily Michael Myers, but it would 150 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.639 be a different story taking place on Halloween. 151 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:34.399 Is that true? 152 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:39.840 That was true? You know. In fact, the third iteration 153 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.639 of Halloween that John did with Halloween three Season of 154 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:47.679 the Witch, which didn't have Michael Myers, had a great story. 155 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.120 At the time, it didn't work for the audience because 156 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.159 the promotion of it didn't really explain that this wasn't 157 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:58.279 Michael Myers, so everyone was disappointed when they went to 158 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.679 see it, or many people were, and now years and 159 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.039 years and years later, having you know that behind him, 160 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:10.159 that movie directed by Tommy Lee Wallace is a big 161 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.840 fan favorite. So yeah, I think if you promoted it right, 162 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.480 an anthology series about using John as the mastermind of 163 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.919 the series and promoting it and shaping it would be 164 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.559 a great way of telling the stories. 165 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:26.639 Again, Yeah, for sure. 166 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:29.639 Maybe that ties in with, you know, a television type 167 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.759 thing and then you have Michael Myers whatever each season 168 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:33.840 finale or something. 169 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.919 Hey, there you go. We may steal that idea from it. 170 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:40.559 It's yours. 171 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:45.279 I just want more Halloween content, Nick, You you know 172 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.679 you've done so much work. August Rush is a personal favorite. 173 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.320 I love that film. It's such a meditation for me. 174 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:58.000 I believe in music and film and familial familial familial ties. 175 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:02.440 Do you find you know you've done such varied work. 176 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.200 Do you find that as an artist that's kind of 177 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.919 you know, what kept you going for so long that 178 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.440 you were able to do a Halloween and then an 179 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.200 August Rush and a Mister Wrong and that sort of thing. 180 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.639 Well, sometimes you make your career and sometimes your career 181 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.440 makes you for John, for instance, he was very clear 182 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:27.279 about producing a John Carpenter movie for me, it was like, 183 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.360 you know, it wasn't as easy as not that it 184 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.639 was easy, but it didn't fall that way. It was 185 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.639 like who had the best script, what studio wanted to 186 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.399 hire me, things of that nature, so that you know, 187 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.559 you you get this kind of eclectic you know, career 188 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:48.000 that that I've had a ball. So it's it's not 189 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:53.639 formed into, you know that the kind of world that 190 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.120 John was able to create, but it's a world that 191 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.279 I've enjoyed every minute of and and had some great 192 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.879 luck with doing films that I generated from my own 193 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.080 little brain to motion pictures that were handed to me 194 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.240 that I just love the idea. So I've been lucky, 195 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:12.879 and now in retirement I can look back and just 196 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.200 promote my friends' movies like this. 197 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.879 I love that so much. Nick, Thank you so much. 198 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.320 People can go to Halloweenportal dot com and get all 199 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.120 of the information and they can go like me and 200 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.279 go see Halloween and a few of the sequels as 201 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:32.320 well in theaters on the big screen. Thank you so much, Nick, 202 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:33.440 I really appreciate it. 203 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.600 Thank you. Unhappy Halloween. See the folks there. 204 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:38.159 Thank you. 205 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:45.039 Sarah you as well. Nick Castle. I can't believe I 206 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.360 talked to Michael Myers. This has been like a dream 207 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:53.440 this month. Bruce Campbell, last episode, Michael Myers. You know, 208 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:58.240 Nick Castle, this episode just so awesome. I'm like living 209 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.399 my dream and you guys make it happy and I 210 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.639 appreciate that and love that from you and for you 211 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:05.120 and for me. 212 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:05.720 Thank you. 213 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.480 It's awesome because he directed also like The Last Starfighter, 214 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.240 which is such a great movie, and Dennis the Menace, 215 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:17.000 which was hilarious that came out in What ninety three 216 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:21.240 and it had Walter Mathow and Christopher Lloyd in it. 217 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:26.120 Like what a cast, Natasha Leone, Lea Thompson. So anyway, 218 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:30.799 all right, we're gonna take a super short break, so 219 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.080 hang out here. So hang out here with me and 220 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.480 support our sponsors who make this show happen. 221 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:45.840 I will see you in sixty all right. 222 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.840 Thank you for hanging out with me and supporting our 223 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.320 sponsors who make this show happen every single week and 224 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.960 bring you amazing interviews like Nick Castle, Michael Freakin Myers 225 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.559 and this next interview, who I am so excited about 226 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:07.559 my next guest has captivated audiences around the globe with 227 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:12.919 her incredible talent and charisma. She has empowered people, especially 228 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:18.159 women and girls, around the galaxy with her breakout role 229 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.919 as Ray in the blockbuster Star Wars sequel trilogy, and 230 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.960 she's proven herself to be a force to be reckoned 231 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.559 with in Hollywood and beyond. And her new film, Magpie 232 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:36.200 is an incredible twisty, turny, hitchcocky and thriller that she 233 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:40.960 conceived of herself and now stars in. Let's talk with 234 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:47.159 Daisy Ridley. So, first of all, Daisy, thank you so 235 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.720 much for speaking with me. I really appreciate it. Magpie 236 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:52.559 is so good. I love it. 237 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:54.600 Thank you, of course. 238 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.919 So tell me about you. Know, from my understanding, this 239 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:02.960 film came from you. The idea for it came while 240 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.759 you were filming something else, which I think is so meta, 241 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.440 especially with the film itself. 242 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.000 How did that come about for you? 243 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.759 So the actual original idea was a little different to 244 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:19.080 where Tom ended up taking it. The original idea was 245 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:23.440 if an actress is away from home and destabilized by 246 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.039 something and does not have the solidity of sort of 247 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.320 the bedrock of something keeping her feeling calm, I mean 248 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.080 being away filming anyway, even with all of those things, 249 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.480 and the stability can be very strange and very isolating 250 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.720 and offering you're away from home. So the original concept 251 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.399 was what would an actress do if she became so 252 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.600 in love with the child that was playing her child 253 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.039 she tried to infiltrate that family. So that was the 254 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:53.600 original idea, And when Tom started working on it, he 255 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.440 just said he felt really more drawn to the woman 256 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:02.360 at home, who is the person who isn't able to 257 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:05.159 go and have this amazing experience on set where these 258 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:08.399 intimate bonds are formed incredibly quickly and everything feels exciting 259 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.799 and fresh, and who is she and how is she 260 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.480 coping with the feeling of being the other woman in 261 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.440 terms of her child And then of course, coupled with that, 262 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.759 her husband has a wondering eye. 263 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:26.399 Yeah, and so you know, this kind of incubates with 264 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.120 you and you decide, you know, there's something here that 265 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.120 I want to do with it. So you took it 266 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.039 to a producer friend of yours and it kind of 267 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:35.440 blossomed from there, right. 268 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.039 Yeah, So me and Tom had already started spitballing and 269 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.639 he had actually written, I mean he wrote incredibly quickly 270 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:47.480 because we were so excited about the idea, and particularly 271 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:49.720 when he started working on it, and I knew his 272 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.559 writing anyway, I've read a lot of his other scripts 273 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.360 which were beautiful. So we pitched it to Kate, who 274 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.440 I produced the movie with, and she was very interested. 275 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.799 And then in a way we went, so things you know, 276 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.279 shifted as we went, but certainly the idea was there, 277 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:12.000 and then we knew we wanted a killer ending, and 278 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:16.039 then Tom really sculpted that because we had there had 279 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.839 to be enough layers between everyone, and you had to 280 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.200 believe those relationships and you had to care about these 281 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.160 people and what happened in order for us to pull 282 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:24.759 that off. 283 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.440 So all of that was built by him. 284 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.119 I love that And part of what I love is 285 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:36.240 it so in its own way hitchcocky and almost And 286 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:37.759 I'm a huge Hitchcock fan. 287 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:42.359 Are you? Are you a Hitchcock fan? 288 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.839 And does that kind of play into when you're doing, 289 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:49.640 you know, different projects, especially when you're producing and you're 290 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:53.799 you're so involved in the development of is that something 291 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.480 like you know conscious for you, like, you know, I 292 00:17:57.559 --> 00:17:59.920 want to kind of do something in this vein or 293 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:00.599 that vein. 294 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:05.279 Well, we had inspirations from the beginning. 295 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:09.839 One was Tully. This amazing film was Charlie's. Then we 296 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:12.440 had seen Homecoming, the show with Julia Roberts with that 297 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:18.160 very claustrophobic zoom, so there had been references anyway, and 298 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.200 we really, me and Tom really wanted to make the 299 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.279 sort of film and we all love all sorts of films, 300 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:26.160 but something that we would really want to see. So 301 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.319 the genre feeling and that noir feeling was something we 302 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.759 always wanted. But we were also incredibly lucky to have 303 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.799 Sam Yer to come on board as director and Laura 304 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:39.000 Bellingham come on as dop and we had talked about Hitchcock, 305 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:43.480 and Sam's big inspiration was John Demi and a big 306 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:47.680 reference with Silus of the Lambs, And so when you 307 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.119 have amazing people who you trust and there are productions 308 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:54.200 outre Amanda mccarth's just phenomenal. So because we had this 309 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:58.920 amazing crew, I was able to sit back and then 310 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:00.960 be blown away by the work that they were doing. 311 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.279 And of course we were all involved in those conversations, 312 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:08.359 but the minute they started spitballing their ideas together and 313 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:09.720 they did the shot list and how they were going 314 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.079 to capture it, it was just brilliant and even on 315 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.960 set watching scenes come together before they're edited, before anything. 316 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:18.799 The way Laura was capturing everything was so. 317 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:24.759 Gorgeous and gives that feeling of what is going on. 318 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:26.799 We're seeing things that we shouldn't be seeing, and we're 319 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.920 not seeing things that we should be seeing. Where's that 320 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.640 line and where's the line between what's real and what's not? 321 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.720 But really, yeah, so much of that is down to Laura. 322 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:39.079 And for you, you know, I'm not sure. 323 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.559 You know, often for those watching or listening, films and 324 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:44.759 projects are filmed out of order, and I'm trying to 325 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:45.480 be as. 326 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.599 Spoiler free as possible. Is it hard for you? 327 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.480 And I would assume that's a little bit easier for 328 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:54.039 you since you were involved since the beginning, But is 329 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:56.720 it hard for you as you're filming, when you're doing 330 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.519 sequences out of order to kind of be like, Okay 331 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.160 is in this space for this scene, and then she's 332 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:05.440 in that space for that scene. 333 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:06.000 Know what I'm saying. 334 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.359 Yes, certainly we did. 335 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.720 The first chunk of the shoot was all in the house, 336 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:17.000 but we did it as chronologically as possible, so even 337 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.400 within the hatch, she has an emotional journey of that 338 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.720 real claustrophobic feeling feeling at the beginning and then the 339 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.480 end of the movie where she's a lot more calm 340 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:28.839 and she is holding the cards at that point. So 341 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.000 there were moments where I can't remember what scene we did. 342 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.720 A big leap we did. We went from seeing them 343 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:40.960 I've seen fifty to scene ninety. But also again to 344 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:43.480 Sam's credit, I mean we talked before every scene about 345 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:47.640 where Anette was. And having a director you really trust 346 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:53.759 is fantastic because I also wasn't watching the dailies of myself. 347 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:55.440 I was only watching the other people do scenes because 348 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:57.200 that was something I felt would be too difficult. 349 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.359 So when you trust, people are like, is this coming cross? 350 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:01.079 Is this the right thing? 351 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.440 Yeah, so there was one time where it was a 352 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:08.440 bit of a leief and I thought, oh, okay, and 353 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:10.880 that it is slightly different here. 354 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.720 But the amazing thing is too she is never broken. 355 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.759 She's really beaten and really bruised emotionally, but she's never 356 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.519 broken and the strength and we meet her and Ben 357 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.559 in a difficult time. We never see them as they were. 358 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:29.720 We come into their relationship mid difficulty, so we had 359 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.000 already established that and from there, I mean, things get 360 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.960 worse for a net before they get better. But she 361 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.519 always maintains that she has her kids to think about 362 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:43.240 and they're really the motivation for her drive. And because 363 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.440 as well they have these beautiful kids to film with. 364 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.000 The hip particular who plays Matilda, she her little face 365 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:51.640 was such a drive for me too that that kept 366 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:53.400 me centered in it all as well. 367 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:54.039 I love that. 368 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.519 And finally, you know, and I've asked Robert Pattinson this, 369 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:01.440 and I've asked Daniel Radcliffe this, When you do you know, 370 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:03.200 when you do such an icon of character and a 371 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.079 giant franchise like Ray, and then you go and do 372 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:12.160 these projects that are on the opposite kind of scale, is. 373 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.839 That super fulfilled? Like, like, I feel like as. 374 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.000 A creator, you know, obviously I'm not an actor, but 375 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:19.759 I feel like as a creator, it kind of like 376 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:22.359 checks all these marks and the fact that like I 377 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.039 can go and do this giant project and then that 378 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:28.119 affords me to go and do kind of anything I want. 379 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:29.440 Do you find that true. 380 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:33.119 For you in terms of being afforded the privilege? 381 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:36.400 Absolutely, because I also know without the bigger films, it 382 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:39.440 would be more difficult to make the smaller films, which 383 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.880 is just the truth of it. But It's interesting in 384 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:48.400 terms of approach, I feel the same in approaching every role, 385 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:53.440 and it's certainly different going from shooting one hundred and 386 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.319 forty days to shooting for twenty three days. But I 387 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:01.240 feel really genuinely blessed with the people that I've got 388 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.680 to work with. And ultimately, art is art, whether it's 389 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.519 your big movie that's going to be seen on an 390 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:11.359 Imax or a smaller movie that you hope will connect 391 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:16.720 with people. Either way, you know, you hope that the 392 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.359 emotional story will connect. Either way, you hope that the 393 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:24.599 vista of it all will connect, so that in terms 394 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.480 of approach it doesn't change. But my hope always is 395 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:29.400 I mean that I've become a better actor each time, 396 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:35.119 to be honest, but also that each film, even if 397 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:37.079 it means something to one person, whether it means something 398 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.480 to one hundred people or one person, that one person 399 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:43.480 is as important. So the hope would always be that 400 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:46.279 whatever it is I'm making connects in some way. 401 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:49.319