WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:05.559 You're listening to an airwave media podcast. Monster Talk is 2 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:08.480 supported by listeners like you. Find out how you can 3 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:11.759 contribute via Patreon or with reviews at monster talk dot org, 4 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:15.679 forge slash support. Your contributions, large or small, make a 5 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:21.000 huge difference. Thanks. I'm not an envious person. I generally 6 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.120 can enjoy my life without needing to worry about if 7 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.920 other people are doing better than me they are, or 8 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:29.800 making better stuff than me they are, or dropping cleverer 9 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:33.359 puns than me. Hmm. But I have to admit that 10 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:36.640 I'm slightly envious of the audio craftsmanship and interview guests 11 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.920 that are showing up in the new podcast Wild Thing. Slightly. 12 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:42.920 I mean, if there were a way for me to 13 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.520 find out all the secrets behind the success of this 14 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.719 new series about the hunt for Bigfoot. 15 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.320 It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. 16 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:05.879 A giant Harry Preacher in mark Ape, Part Matt in Larkness, 17 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:08.760 a twenty four mile long bottomless lake in the Highlands 18 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:34.879 of Scotland, get the creature known as the Luckness Monster. Monstert. 19 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:39.959 Welcome to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. I'm 20 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.079 Blake Smith. Karen wasn't able to be on this episode 21 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.000 because of laryngidis, but hopefully she'll be back soon and 22 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.439 end the podcasting saddle again. But despite her illness, she's 23 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:51.480 working hard behind the scenes to help set up future 24 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.400 interviews and generally keep this show going. So you could 25 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:56.359 always send her a get well wish on Twitter at 26 00:01:56.439 --> 00:02:00.680 Karen stoles Now. I'm sure she'd appreciate it. The new 27 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:04.280 podcast wild Thing is produced by Laura Krantz, a cousin 28 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:06.920 of the late anthropologist Grover Krantz, who is probably the 29 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.159 best known trained scientist looking for bigfoot in the nineteen seventies. 30 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:13.879 An experienced audio producer with years at NPR under her belt, 31 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.439 she's become a podcaster in her news show's full of 32 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.439 interesting interviews and is a fun introduction into the world 33 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.439 of bigfoot. She's still new to this stuff, and it's 34 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:24.159 really interesting to hear her take on the world of 35 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:28.120 bigfoot hunting and the characters therein. Links to her show 36 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:29.759 and some of the books we mentioned will be in 37 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.599 our show notes at MonsterTalk dot org. So let's get 38 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:38.599 onto the monster all right. Tonight, Monster Talk welcomes Laura Krantz. 39 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.960 She is a former editor and producer at MPR, including 40 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:45.080 work on Morning Edition, and she's written for publications such 41 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:49.360 as Newsweek, Popular Science, and Smithsonian. She's the host of 42 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.639 a new and popular podcast about bigfoot and the bigfoot 43 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:56.719 scene called wild Thing, which is produced by Fox Depus, Inc. 44 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:59.319 Of Which she is a partner. And if you've been 45 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.759 listening to much for very long, you'll also notice that 46 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.000 her last name is Krantz, which may sound familiar. You 47 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.879 can find wild Thing on iTunes or Apple's podcasting app, 48 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.080 or your favorite podcast aggregator, and as always, a link 49 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.319 will be in our show notes at MonsterTalk dot org. 50 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:15.120 Welcome to a monster Talk. 51 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:18.360 Laura, thank you. I'm excited to be here. 52 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.360 Or should I say Laurie. 53 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:21.879 Right? 54 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.520 I know, what do you say to an eighty six 55 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.599 year old man who keeps getting your name wrong? 56 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:29.319 I don't know, I don't know. 57 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:31.159 Yeah, you kind of you just let it go. I mean, 58 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:36.280 he was he was endearing, and he was nice and whatever. 59 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:37.919 It's just one vowel. 60 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.680 Yeah, no, no, it's close. And I actually I was 61 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:45.360 super excited. I was going to meet Bob in September. 62 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.280 We're talking about Bob Gimlin here, and he was supposed 63 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.919 to be at Cryptid Con which is a cryptid crypto 64 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.560 zoology themed convention in Kentucky that I've been to for 65 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.879 the first two years of it, and unfortunately he didn't 66 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:01.800 make it. But he's eighty two. These things happen, you know, 67 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:03.479 I mean, he's getting on up there, but I would 68 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:04.360 have loved to have met him. 69 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:10.120 Yeah, he's a lovely man. And then he's just such 70 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:15.360 a cowboy too, with the big bell buckle and all 71 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:18.639 the you know, the little colloquialisms and the cowboy hat 72 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.480 and the wranglers, and he's still out there doing stuff 73 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.120 on the ranch and yeah, living a life. 74 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.040 Yeah, that sounds like my grandpa. He's one hundred and two, 75 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.120 but I think he stopped working somewhere on ninety eight 76 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:32.800 or ninety nine, you know, I mean, he just he 77 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.839 wouldn't stop, right, just all yeah, So even now, I 78 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.160 don't think he likes the fact that he can't get 79 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.279 out there and take care of the cows and such. 80 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.439 So you know that happens. Well, ye, all right, let's 81 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.160 get started with the questions. So you're probably sick of 82 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.439 answering this question, but it's and you actually do answer it. 83 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:52.319 In the very first episode of Wild thing. But to 84 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.480 give our listeners some context, how did you find yourself 85 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.360 involved in the field of bigfoot studies? 86 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:02.800 So back in two thousand and six, I was reading 87 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:06.600 the Washington Post. This is while I was working for NPR, 88 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.720 and I was flipping through and then the style section 89 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.079 there was this big article about a guy named Grover Krantz, 90 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.040 and you know, I just same last name started reading 91 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:21.639 about him, and basically he just was this fascinating guy 92 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.560 who was a very well respected anthropologist and had donated 93 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:28.920 his body to the Tennessee Body Farm, which is where 94 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:33.800 they do tissue decomp analysis, and then donated his bones 95 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.639 to the Smithsonian along with the bones of his dogs. 96 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.079 And then there was this sort of throwaway section towards 97 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.600 the end of the article that was talking about how 98 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.680 he would drive around the Pacific Northwest looking for sasquatch 99 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.600 with a spotlight and a rifle. And at this point 100 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.040 I'm like, Wow, this guy is really interesting and really weird. 101 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:55.000 And also his family's from Salt Lake City, which is 102 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.439 where my dad's family was from. So I wondered if 103 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.240 we were related. I asked my dad, he wasn't sure. 104 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.839 I asked my grandfather and he was like, oh, yeah, 105 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.199 that was my cousin. He used to show up at 106 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:10.639 the family picnics with calipers and measure everybody's head, right, Yeah. 107 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:12.720 So this is a guy who's devoted to science, like 108 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.560 from an early age, like just fascinated by human anatomy 109 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.639 and anthropology and biology and just a real scientist to 110 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:25.480 his core. And after sort of reading all these tidbits 111 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:27.439 and then learning that he was a relative, I was 112 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:30.160 just like, man, I feel like I need to explore 113 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.600 this somehow, but I didn't really know what to do 114 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:34.279 with it. So I sat on it for a while. 115 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.560 And there were just all these signs from the universe 116 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.040 over the course of the next decade where Grover's name 117 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.319 would pop up in places or somehow someone who was 118 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.680 in anthropology would be like, oh, are you related to 119 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.839 Grover Krantz? And I thought that was just so obscure, 120 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.160 but he really was well known in anthropology. And then 121 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.120 when I was living in Denver, I found out that 122 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:59.000 his fourth wife, a woman named Diane Horton, lived thirty 123 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.319 miles from me, And at that point I was like, Okay, 124 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.360 this is a sign. I have to do something with this. 125 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:06.959 And having been in radio a podcast seemed like the 126 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:07.720 best choice. 127 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.720 Yeah, so this will seem like a weird diversion to 128 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.399 our listeners perhaps, But I'm curious, how did you get 129 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.759 into audio engineering and editing? Was that out of a 130 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.079 journalism school or how did that happen? 131 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.519 No, that was That's a long convoluted tale as well. 132 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.279 I was getting a master's degree in international relations while 133 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.920 I was living in DC. And what I realized as 134 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.040 I was getting my master's degree is that I really 135 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:35.560 liked school and I liked learning, and I needed to 136 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:37.399 find a job where I was going to be doing 137 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:39.360 more of that. And that kind of narrowed it down 138 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:44.360 to politics, which I'm glad I didn't do, and journalism. 139 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:48.839 And so I applied for an internship at NPR. This 140 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.360 would have been during my second year of graduate school 141 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:53.959 and ended up getting it, which was pure luck because 142 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:57.199 I had no journalism background. My undergraduate degree was in history. 143 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.759 And did the internship and really like it, and then 144 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:04.240 I just wouldn't leave. I just took every temp job 145 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.120 that came available. You know, someone would be going on 146 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.560 vacation for two weeks and they'd need someone to fill in, 147 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.000 and I'd be like, I'll do it, and I just took, 148 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.800 took any anything I could get, and eventually they had 149 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:14.279 to hire me. 150 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:18.759 That's awesome. I'm a longtime MPR supporter and listener, so 151 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:24.360 oh great good. Yeah, so I as one of those 152 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.560 people who contributes, I don't I don't feel guilty during 153 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.279 the pledge drives. I just just they they've really transformed 154 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.320 the podcasting world. I mean they from an amateur you know, 155 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:40.960 like myself, that it's it's they've changed the landscape considerably 156 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.559 by bringing in professional shows to the venue, you know, 157 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:47.759 I mean, to to the format. Yeah, so that's a 158 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:50.679 little tough to compete with. But you know what I 159 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.960 when when podcasting started, I thought about it as a 160 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.840 micro casting, so you could pick a topic, just whatever 161 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.919 the topic was, and probably find an audience. If you 162 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.639 like to knit and with wool, you know, you know, 163 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.559 you can find the people, you can find your audience, right. 164 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.159 I think that still exists, I really do, because you know, 165 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.399 NPR is good at doing sort of big, broad, well 166 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.440 produced shows and some interview stuff, but really, if you 167 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.399 want to get into the nitty gritty and like the 168 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.919 small details of a particular topic, you're not going to 169 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.919 find that at NPR. Or any of the other big companies. 170 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:27.120 You're going to be better off looking for the guy 171 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.399 that's super enthusiastic about Knitting with Wool and talking to 172 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:31.000 him or her. 173 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:34.039 Yeah, I hope there is a Knitting with Wool podcasts now. 174 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:38.440 I'll have to go check later. So what software do 175 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:39.519 you use to edit your show? 176 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.840 I use Hindenburg. It's great, it's available online. NPR has 177 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.120 a very specific software that they use. It was designed 178 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.159 specifically for them because of all their sort of strange 179 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.679 needs that they have with people working across multiple time 180 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.320 zones and around the world and being able to share documents, 181 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.360 and they had to be able to put their their 182 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:06.080 written copy in with the with the actual the text 183 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:08.840 in with the the audio, so you could kind of 184 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.120 see the notes and all the rest of that. It's 185 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:13.399 a very convoluted system. And when I left NPR, I 186 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.879 didn't know any of the other audio programs that were 187 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.080 out there, and Hindenburg is the one that has come 188 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:23.840 closest in terms of having the same keyboard commands. Because 189 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.919 I would get into final cut or some of you know, 190 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.600 Adobe Audition, and I just would be tearing my hair 191 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.799 out because I would hit like command D and needed 192 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:35.879 to do something it would do something completely different, and 193 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.159 it was just driving me bananas. So I ended up 194 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.080 finding Hindenberg through the recommendation of a friend and have 195 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:44.000 really liked it. 196 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:45.960 I'm just dying to know why did they call it that? 197 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:49.000 Was it because it crashes and burns or because it's 198 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:50.240 great for the humanities? 199 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.679 I just, you know, that is a great question. I 200 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:55.559 actually don't know why they call it that. I did 201 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:57.559 wonder about the name. Initially, I was like, this doesn't 202 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:59.799 seem this seems like it might go up in flames. 203 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.279 It was Hindenburger Titanic. I couldn't decide. 204 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:08.639 Yeah, yeah, or Lusitania one of the three nice? 205 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:10.799 Oh and who does your music? 206 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:16.360 I found or? I was a guy who was recommended 207 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.440 to me. His name is romtine Ara Bluie. He is 208 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:25.519 a producer and music person at NPR and he was 209 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:28.240 recommended by a friend of mine because he did independent 210 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:35.320 composition and mixing on the side, and so I reached 211 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.720 out to him and he was interested in Bigfoot. He 212 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.879 had been since he'd been a kid, and I was 213 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.919 just crossing my fingers that he was going to be 214 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.519 available to do this podcast because I really felt like 215 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.600 whoever was involved in it needed to have something of 216 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:52.039 an interest in the topic to really really like make 217 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:53.600 it sing, so to speak. 218 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:57.320 Well, So, so you were doing work with MPR how long? 219 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.639 So I read in your bio that will I guess 220 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.200 exis in the show notes for your own show. The 221 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.440 description it says you spend a year working on preparing 222 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:10.879 for this. So how did you make that leap? I 223 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:17.799 mean is like, how did you decide to go into podcasting? 224 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.159 Is this your full time job now? 225 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:27.440 Currently? It is? I left NPR in two thousand and twelve, 226 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:29.159 the very end of twenty twelve, and then I went 227 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:33.200 to KPCC, which is the big NPR station affiliate in 228 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:38.720 Los Angeles, working for Southern California Public Radio, and was 229 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:40.279 there for a couple of years, and then by then 230 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.600 I was just really burned out on daily news, so 231 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.240 I applied for a fellowship in Environmental Journalism at University 232 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.159 of Colorado Boulder, which is basically for mid career journalists 233 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.879 to come and spend a year taking all the classes 234 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:59.960 they possibly want on science, environment, journalism, whatever you're interested in, 235 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.480 and they pay you to do it. It's the most 236 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:07.159 magical experience you could possibly have, And you're right there 237 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.799 in the rocky mountains in Boulder, Colorado, which is a 238 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:10.399 lovely town. 239 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:14.200 Boulder is beautiful. Oh my god, I love Boulder. I 240 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:18.559 know my friend Phil Plate lives out there, the bad astronomer. 241 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.480 So okay, nice. Yeah, So I got I was lucky 242 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.480 enough to live there for a year, and then reality 243 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:28.559 hit and I couldn't afford the rent staying in Boulder, 244 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:30.120 so I ended up coming to Denver, and I was 245 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.639 doing freelance writing at the time, because part of what 246 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.279 I tried to do when I was at seat at 247 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.639 the University of Colorado was try my hand at print 248 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:40.480 as opposed to doing radio, just to see if I 249 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:42.600 liked it. And there were parts that were great, and 250 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.360 then there were parts that were a real drag, and 251 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:47.000 I just kept thinking I want to get back into 252 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:50.879 audio somehow. And then when I found out that this 253 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.039 that Grover'sporth wife was living so nearby, I just thought, 254 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.200 you know, I think there's something I can do here, 255 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:57.960 and so I went to do an interview with her 256 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.080 just to kind of suss out what kind of material 257 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.399 i'd be working with people, see what people she could 258 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.159 maybe put me in touch with. And I finished that 259 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.559 interview and I thought, Man, this guy's a really We 260 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.279 talked about Grover a lot, and he's just such an 261 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:16.159 interesting guy. And then this whole community of people who 262 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.559 are looking for Bigfoot, the sort of subculture of American society, 263 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.600 is also really interesting. And that's the point at which 264 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.120 I just sort of took the plunge. I was still 265 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.320 doing some part time work with the university doing science 266 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:34.799 communications and then some odd freelance editing jobs here and there, 267 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.159 but this has really been my full time gig for 268 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:38.879 the past year. 269 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.559 So this will sound a bit more, but I don't 270 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.600 mean for it too. But you've kind of already discussed it. 271 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.519 Have you actually been to see Grover and his dogs? 272 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.639 I have to say, oh, yeah, oh you have. Okay, Wow, 273 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.720 I've seen photos and I was like, I was it 274 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:57.360 almost feels like one of those I don't know, cryptozoology 275 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:59.879 meccas to go see him, you know what, I me? 276 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.440 Yeah, totally, yeah, yeah, so I would. I lived in 277 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:08.799 DC from two thousand and one until twenty twelve, and 278 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:12.120 Grover went up on display in two thousand and six 279 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:13.320 or seven, I believe. 280 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.080 Oh, to remind our listeners in case they've forgotten because 281 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.120 we have mentioned it before. After he died and as 282 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.320 she mentioned, he went to the body farm and then 283 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:26.159 they've actually arranged his skeleton and his were they. 284 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.279 Wolfhounds, Yeah, Irish wolfhounds. 285 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.759 Yeah, it's a really beautiful display. I mean, gosh, it's 286 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.600 weird how often I think about, like how people can 287 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:41.519 sort of be remembered. And I've often thought about having 288 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.879 my ashes poured in with concrete so that you could 289 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.039 like make a little brick that had my name and 290 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:48.720 information on it, and then like as my family died off, 291 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:50.600 they could like build a wall for my family. I 292 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.200 thought that'd be really cool. But Grover like it's him 293 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:57.159 playing with his wolfhounds basically, and he loved his dogs. Yeah, 294 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.000 it's a really it's I don't I know. It's signed 295 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.200 typically interesting because he wanted to like do something scientific 296 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:08.759 with his body, but it's also it's it's really touching 297 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.720 I think to see, you know, the way they've arranged it, 298 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.720 so I'd really love to see in person. 299 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.360 Yeah, it's still up there. So the exhibit he was 300 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:18.799 originally a part of with something called Written in Bone, 301 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.879 which was about forensic anthropology, and that exhibit closed quite 302 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.399 a few years ago now, maybe four or five. But 303 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:30.360 they left Grover and Clyde still in their case, and 304 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.000 he just moved him into a classroom that's on the 305 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.960 first floor of the National Museum of Natural History, right 306 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.320 out there on the National Mall in DC, and it 307 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:41.919 you know, you can go in and you can still 308 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.720 see him, and he's overseeing the science education classroom for kids. 309 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.559 And you know, he said when he donated his body, 310 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.759 I've been a teacher all my life. I'd like to 311 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.200 keep teaching after I'm gone, And so I think he'd 312 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:56.679 be pretty pleased with with where he is right now. 313 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:01.440 That's fantastic. I sometimes feel like there's this a degree 314 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.960 of sort of nod and wink coyness that becomes kind 315 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:08.359 of deraguar for content producers when they try to navigate 316 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.240 around the topic of Bigfoot without declaring themselves as either 317 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.599 being a believer or a skeptic. I mean, we want 318 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.119 to have shows that anyone can listen to, But how 319 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.400 would you describe your approach to that issue? 320 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.279 On wild Thing, My goal was to come into this 321 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.039 with a pretty open mind. There were some places I 322 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:27.880 just couldn't go, especially conversations about bigfoot you know, being 323 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.799 able to move through dimensions or cloaking or telepathy, things 324 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.079 like that, because that was just that was outside the 325 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:38.759 realm of what Grover thought was possible. And it was 326 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:42.559 also just you know, Bigfoot. Bigfoot itself is very hard 327 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:44.920 to prove. Adding in that element would just make it 328 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:48.480 nearly impossible, and I just didn't see how you could 329 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.200 do it. So I really tried to approach this in 330 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:54.000 the same way Grover did, in that Bigfoot, if it exists, 331 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:56.640 is a flesh and blood creature, beholden to the same 332 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.480 laws of nature that the rest of us are. And 333 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.359 my biggest goal here was just I didn't want to 334 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.079 make fun of people. I really wanted to go in 335 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:06.680 and talk to them and hear what they had to say, 336 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.079 and hear what their experiences were, and come at this 337 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:13.920 from an objective observer standpoint and just see what kind 338 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:15.119 of information is out there. 339 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:15.839 Yeah. 340 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.839 I'm very skeptical, but I've always been fasted about monsters, 341 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.440 and Bigfoot's of favorite. It's not my very favorite monster, 342 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:25.079 but it's certainly one of my favorites. And as a kid, 343 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.119 just oh, I was so entranced with watching it on 344 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:31.799 all the different documentaries and going out in the woods 345 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:36.640 and looking for Bigfoot. It's just even though I've become, 346 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:41.039 as I like to say, provisionally an unbeliever, you know, 347 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.599 I'm certainly willing to change my opinion. I still love 348 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:51.039 I still love Bigfoot. Yeah. So for your podcast, do 349 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:52.640 you have a target audience? I mean, do you have 350 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.440 an ideal listener? Who are you kind of looking for 351 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:56.680 to be out there listening. 352 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:59.519 Obviously I love it if the Bigfoot people were listening 353 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:00.920 to this, but I think a lot of it is 354 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.160 repetitive for them too. Like a lot of what I'm 355 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.119 covering is pretty basic. You could say, it's this is 356 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.160 this is big Foot one oh one, and a lot 357 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.880 of them know all this stuff and it's nothing particularly 358 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:12.839 new to them. But I'm hoping that they're still getting 359 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.279 something kind of fun or interesting out of it. But 360 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.599 really I'm targeting people who are just kind of interested 361 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:20.559 in the idea. There are a lot of people out 362 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.039 there who may not even realize they're interested in Bigfoot, 363 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:24.640 and then you start talking about it a little bit 364 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.400 and they have all these questions and they kind of 365 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.200 want to know, what's this all about, where's the fascination 366 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.440 come from? And those are the people I'm trying to reach. 367 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.079 I'm also trying to reach people who maybe think that 368 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.599 it's a complete and utter joke and have totally dismissed it, 369 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.599 and you know, maybe get them to think, well, maybe 370 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:43.920 if not now, then maybe once upon a time, just 371 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.519 kind of bringing a little bit of that of that 372 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:51.160 wonderment about the world back into back into their lives. 373 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.200 As you look at the show, have you have you 374 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.039 planned out a certain number of episodes? Are you're going 375 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:56.039 to be doing seasons? 376 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.279 This is a one season run at least as of 377 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.880 right now, there are nine story episodes. Three of those 378 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.039 have already aired, and so there's six more to go. 379 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.839 And then there are four bonus episodes and one of 380 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:11.680 those has already aired, that was the interview with Bob 381 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.799 Gimlin last Friday. Cool, and then so I've got three more. 382 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.759 So all total, there's still nine episodes to go. This 383 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.240 will carry us through into December and then it'll be 384 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.279 done right before Christmas. So hopefully people will go home 385 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.920 and tell their families all about it, or over New 386 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:34.240 Year's or whatever people happen to be celebrating, and yeah, 387 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.880 that's my goal. Word of mouth, spread it out there. 388 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.079 Well, you hitting a few thousand here, So that's. 389 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.240 Cool, excellent, I'm glad to hear it. Tell all your friends. 390 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.240 In previous Monster Talk episodes, we've talked with historian Brian 391 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.640 Riegel who wrote a book called Searching for Sasquats, and 392 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.599 he talked a lot about Grover in that book and 393 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.119 about some of the amazing stories around the early search 394 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.440 for the Yeddie and the Bigfoot. Will you be digging 395 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.559 into those days of stuff like Tom Slick and all 396 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:06.440 those interesting Men's Adventure magazine articles about Bigfoot. 397 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.799 I'm not getting into those nearly as much. There will 398 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:13.440 be a little bit about Tom Slick from the standpoint 399 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:15.920 that I talked to Peter Burne, who is still alive, 400 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:17.799 and Peter is Oh. 401 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:18.559 My gosh, I'd love that I know him. 402 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:23.200 Yeah, he's one of the original four horsemen of Sasquatchery, 403 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:25.240 as they call them, and he's still alive and kicking 404 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.599 out there in Oregon. And I spoke to him several times, 405 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:32.079 and so Tom Slick came up during those conversations, but 406 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:37.160 I didn't get too deep into those stories. There was 407 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.200 a lot of ground I was trying to cover, you know. 408 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.279 The next episode is really about people's eyewitness encounters and 409 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.960 their own personal experiences with something out in the woods, 410 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.960 which are pretty hair raising. I mean a lot of 411 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.759 those stories you just hear them, you're just and they're 412 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:53.640 just mind boggling. Their they you're you know, you just 413 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:55.839 feel the hair on your arms stand up and on 414 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:58.240 the back of your neck. And for me, they're the 415 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:02.200 most compelling pieces of of evidence. Per se. I realized 416 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:06.319 that eyewitnessing accounts don't necessarily stand up in court, but man, 417 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.039 these people really did have some sort of crazy experience 418 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:12.119 out there. Yeah, that's dismiss them. 419 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.440 It is. And you know, when I go to things 420 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.480 like Cryptic Kind and meet people who've had these experiences, 421 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.799 it's certainly it's not one of those things. I don't 422 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.279 feel comfortable saying, well, that didn't happen because it's big foot, 423 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:28.960 you know what I mean. They had some kind of experience, 424 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:32.960 So I personally am more inclined to think, well, you know, 425 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.440 I don't think there's sufficient evidence to say Bigfoot's real, 426 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:39.559 but I don't discount that you had a weird experience. 427 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:44.119 That's right. I wasn't there, right, you know, and exactly. 428 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:45.799 And maybe it was Bigfoot. I mean, who the hell 429 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:46.839 knows for sure, But. 430 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.839 Golly, I mean, who would be more excited than somebody 431 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:51.759 who spent their life thinking about it? I would love 432 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:56.200 there exactly find a body. Golly, I'd be very excited. 433 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.960 And as I like to point out, I'm one of 434 00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:59.880 those people who would speed up to hit Bigfoot if 435 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:00.839 ran out in front of me. 436 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.359 So, yeah, wow, you're in Grover's camp. 437 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:06.759 Yeah, no, I'm definitely in the kill camp. When I 438 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:11.559 went to Criptocon, people were handing out these magnetic h No, 439 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.680 they're not really bumper stickers, but like these magnetic sort 440 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.680 of adhesive things for I'm in the kill camp and 441 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.000 the no kill camp. So my truck is proudly sporting 442 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:23.960 a yeah shoot him right. 443 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.119 Wow, opening yourself up to a world of trouble right there. 444 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.720 Well, you know, I've already I'm already in the trouble 445 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:35.200 of being a you know, a skeptic who loves monsters. 446 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.079 I've got all kinds of problems. I like to think 447 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.880 of myself. We're the U. I frequently describe myself as 448 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.880 being in the ghetto, inside a ghetto, and the ghetto 449 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.000 for people who love monsters, and also in the ghetto 450 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:50.920 of people who self described as skeptics. So I'm in 451 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:53.279 a narrow, tiny little sirt bar. Yeah. 452 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.319 Then diagram, yeah, my. 453 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.240 Ven diagram puts me in a very strange little shape. 454 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:01.400 Yeah it's sad, so but yeah. 455 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.319 Then some of the other episodes get into some into 456 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.200 some of the interesting science that's being applied to bigfoot studies, 457 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.319 So like DNA analysis. We'll get into that in episode five. 458 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.519 And then I go out on a I got to 459 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.480 go out on a bigfoot expedition with a few people, 460 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.759 which is pretty fun, and that'll be one episode. And 461 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:18.920 then I also am looking at sort of the cultural appeal, 462 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.240 because even for people who don't believe in bigfoot, there 463 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.079 really is a fascination and companies have figured that out. 464 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.160 Think about all the brands you know of that have 465 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:29.000 Bigfoot in the name or the logo. 466 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:33.119 Yeah, or are yetty? I mean golly yeah, yeah, absolutely. 467 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.079 Yeah exactly, So talk about a little talk about that 468 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.200 a little bit too. So I you know, I could 469 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.759 have probably gone on for years with this, but there 470 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:44.720 are other projects that I'd like to work on too, 471 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.799 and I didn't want to become just the bigfoot girl. 472 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:50.799 Sure, sure, And cryptozoology as a field is pretty broad. 473 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.200 There's a lot of monsters out there, and we've talked. 474 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.759 We talk about all kinds of monsters, not descriptive zoology, 475 00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:58.839 so we get into things like the Frankenstein monster and 476 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:02.480 hybridization and vampires and so on. But was this your 477 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.839 first foray into the culture of cryptozoology. 478 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.279 Yes, it was. I wasn't even a Bigfoot person at 479 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.000 all before sort of starting to learn about Grover and 480 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:14.400 all of this. I've really Bigfoot was just kind of 481 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.279 tabloid fodder, kind of silly. Harry and the Henderson's might 482 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.240 have been my largest exposure to Bigfoot. 483 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.440 I just watched that on the big screen like two 484 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.440 weeks ago. It came back as one of these like 485 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.319 you know, retro theater things. I took my kids to 486 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:31.319 go see it. It was fun, So it's cute. 487 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:33.799 It really it kind of holds up. And actually I 488 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:38.880 interviewed William Deer, who was the director and producer on 489 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.000 that film as for one of the bonus episodes, so 490 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.640 you'll get to hear from him a little bit later 491 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:43.079 this year. 492 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:47.359 Oh that's awesome. Yeah, has everybody been treating you nicely? 493 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.200 Yes, most everybody has been really fantastic. I did get 494 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:57.000 a little bit of angry email after the Evolution episode, 495 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.720 some people saying I was a little too dismissive of creationism, 496 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.880 and then, oh, I've gotten a few people who were 497 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:09.279 upset that I dismissed footprints outright as evidence, and I 498 00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.680 probably should have been a little more judicious about how 499 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.839 I said that, saying that they are not sufficient evidence 500 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.599 on their own. Then there's definitely been a few people 501 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:19.720 who have not wanted to talk to me more on 502 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.440 the scientific the science side of things, Like I was 503 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.079 trying to get interviews with a few people at the 504 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:27.759 Smithsonian to talk about evolution and where Bigfoot might fit 505 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:32.680 into the old phylogenetic tree, and they basically just were 506 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.039 like nope. And I was like why not And they 507 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.119 were just like nope. And I was like, is it 508 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.000 because of Bigfoot? And they're like, we just don't want 509 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:40.640 to talk about it. 510 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.839 So all right. You know, we've talked about this on 511 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.559 Monster Talk quite a few times. But there is this 512 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.720 weird and I don't mean that weirdly like dismissed. 513 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:54.559 A taboo tao. 514 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:57.880 There's this strange thing that happens where there is a 515 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:03.119 sub group within cryptisology that is deeply invested in cryptozoology 516 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:08.839 as a mode of discounting natural selection and evolution and 517 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:13.759 an old Earth and really oh oh yeah, yeah absolutely. 518 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.279 Now it's typically not around Bigfoot. It's typically around things 519 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.920 like Michillimbmbey, which is the idea that there's a right 520 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.960 and that in the rope, and as a pterosaur being alive. 521 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.759 And the idea I think is that if they could 522 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.039 find a living example of these, it would in some 523 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.160 way prove that the Earth is not as old as 524 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:39.599 people say. Now, I don't know how that would comport 525 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.319 with things like the ceilicanth and other creatures like the 526 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.599 alligator that that that have evolved over time but have 527 00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.519 basically maintained the same morphology over time, and you can't 528 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.720 really capture the molecular changes over time through the fossil 529 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.880 record because some animals they heavily conserve their shape. But 530 00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.240 it's there. There's there are crypto as a wologists who 531 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:06.000 were also younger creationists, and they're they're not insignificant, They're 532 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.880 they're a big factor. I think so. 533 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:11.480 But yeah, no, no, no real hate mail. A couple 534 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.039 of like people who are think that I'm trying to 535 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:16.799 be funny and I'm not, and a few other things 536 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.400 like that. But most people have been really positive about it, 537 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.079 and I've gotten some lovely letters and some really nice feedback. 538 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.880 I met a my dad's cousin who he's never met 539 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.119 but is someone who lives in Washington reached out and 540 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.279 sent a note, and so you know, I'm meeting some 541 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.240 new relatives that I didn't even know about. So all 542 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.799 in all, it's been a really positive experience, and it's 543 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.240 been awesome just hearing from people and hearing their stories 544 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.680 and hearing how much they like this story. And I 545 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.079 love it. 546 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:47.400 No, I, in case it's not clear, I've really enjoyed it, 547 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.359 and it's oh good. Obviously it's a very well produced show. 548 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.039 It's as though you're an experienced audio producer. I don't 549 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.160 know how you pulled that off yet something like that. 550 00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.039 So what if you found to be the most compelling 551 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:03.440 evidence for Bigfoot so far in your work. 552 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.400 Aside from the eyewitness accounts, which I just keep kind 553 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.119 of turning over in my head. I think one of 554 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:13.920 the most interesting things were these giant ground nests that 555 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.599 were found out on the Olympic Peninsula by a guy 556 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.119 who was doing a survey on a timber cut and 557 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.119 he was out on family, private family timberland and was 558 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.400 walking around in the middle of this thick, brambly forest 559 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.920 and came across these huge nests. They were probably eight 560 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.759 nine ten feet in diameter, and there were several of them, 561 00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.200 and they looked pretty fresh because the vawn of the 562 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.279 flora that had been used to make them was they 563 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:43.640 were branches that had been snapped off and they were 564 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.480 still green, which means they were relatively new. And he's 565 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.400 someone who'd been out in the forest for thirty some 566 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.519 odd years and had never seen anything like it. So 567 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.200 he reached out to the Department of Natural Resources out 568 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.880 there in Washington, as well as the Olympic Project, which 569 00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.400 is the bigfoot research based out in that area, and 570 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:03.920 they all came out and took a look at it, 571 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.279 and everyone's standing around scratching their heads and no one 572 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.079 has ever seen anything like this, and yeah, they brought 573 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:13.880 in some bear biologists, and the bear biologists said, well, 574 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.799 they're not bare beds. They're too elaborate for that. So 575 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.119 I got to see these. They were had been around 576 00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.839 for a couple of years by that point, because in 577 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.200 finding the nests and seeing how fresh they were. The 578 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.759 decision was by the Timber company, Okay, we're not going 579 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.279 to log this land. We'll give you guys, the Olympic 580 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.880 Project five years to sort of figure out what's going 581 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:36.319 on here. 582 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:37.000 Wow. 583 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:38.599 Yeah, isn't that cool. 584 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.200 It's amazing. Yeah. 585 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.039 Yeah, they were like, we'll have to log it eventually, 586 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.759 but for now, we'll go do other plots and you 587 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.640 can sit here and keep an eye on this. So 588 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:51.519 they did. They watched it for two years, I think, 589 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.880 waiting to see if any if the thing whatever had 590 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:54.920 made it might come back. 591 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.039 So they said, like trail cams that sort of thing. 592 00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:59.559 Yeah, I think they set up trail cams. I think 593 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:01.599 they just like, you know, camped out there. I think 594 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.279 they just kept kind of coming back and checking everything 595 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.880 out and nothing ever came back, or at least not 596 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:12.079 that they saw. And so then after that they brought 597 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.039 in a couple of experts, including a guy named doctor 598 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.960 Jeff Meldrum who's an anthropologist out of Idaho. 599 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:19.519 Yeah the listeners will know him. 600 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.799 Yeah, okay, great. So he teaches at Idaho State University, 601 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.720 which incidentally is only about forty five miles down the 602 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.319 road from where I grew up, so, you know, another 603 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.359 little moment of oh, we're in my neck of the 604 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:40.200 woods here, cool. And he took out samples for DNA analysis, 605 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:46.079 and yeah, sent those to get them analyzed. But having 606 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.079 seen those nests and seen how big they are and 607 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.359 seeing how elaborate they were, I mean, they really think 608 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.200 of a bird's nest and sort of how interwoven and 609 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.759 shaped and formed they are, and that's basically what you're 610 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.920 looking looking at on a massive scale, and it just 611 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.000 kind of blew my mind. And there was definitely this 612 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:10.440 moment where I was just like, well, well, shit, what 613 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:11.200 are these? 614 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.119 I typically put the swearing into the U into the 615 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.799 Patreon feed and then the beep it out on the 616 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.319 regular show, but that's no trouble. 617 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.599 I mean that really was my response. As you probably 618 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:26.680 heard in the first episode. It was just like, mine, 619 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:31.039 what are these? These are really really weird. And there 620 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.000 was that moment where it's like, well, maybe it is Bigfoot. 621 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:35.839 Do you got to go see these yourself? 622 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:36.839 Yeah? I did. 623 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.559 And I didn't see any photos on the wild Thing website. 624 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:41.759 Are there are there photos there. 625 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.720 Or anywhere there are photos online? I was not allowed 626 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.839 to take photos that was one of the conditions for 627 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.119 me being allowed to go down there. But if you 628 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.720 google Cliff Berrickman. 629 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.039 Yeah, I know Cliff yep. 630 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.839 If you google him and you google Bigfoot nests, you 631 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.960 will see some of the photos that are there. And 632 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.279 in any case, those those were better because they were 633 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.599 taken when the nests were fresher. By the time I 634 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:06.759 got there, they were starting to degrade. So any photos 635 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.039 I tech took would have looked like a pile of 636 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.799 sticks pretty much, And they really were much more elaborate 637 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.880 than that. They really it was not just a pile 638 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.480 of debris. 639 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.920 That is so wild. So they sent the samples I'm 640 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.599 assuming to Todd dis Hotel. 641 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.720 Yes, well done. You know your people. 642 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.839 Yeah yeah, so well, Todd was our very first guest 643 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.680 on Monster Talk. He's been on several times. 644 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.359 Really yeah, yeah, yeah, he was great. He was a 645 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.079 lot of fun to talk to, a sense of humor. 646 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:33.839 Yeah. 647 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.519 I really enjoyed talking with him. 648 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:40.000 So yeah, so has I don't want to no spoilers 649 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.000 for your show, But do we get the DNA results 650 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.960 before the end of the season or during the show. 651 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:48.519 Yeah, but I'm not going to tell you what. 652 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.279 I don't want to know. I don't want to ruin anything. 653 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.480 So they are, I believe at the end of the 654 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.920 third episode they were talking about sending them in for analysis, 655 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.920 and so it will continue from there. 656 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:06.000 Okay, cool, all right, So there's Cliffingers. All right, that's fantastic, 657 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.079 all right. And so you've been out in the woods. Now, 658 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.400 have you been on a bigfoot hunt? 659 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.480 I haven't been on a hunt per se. I've been 660 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.320 out on an expedition and it was a short one. 661 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.000 It was like a long weekend out in the mount 662 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.480 Hood National Forest with a few people associated with the 663 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.199 Olympic Project and a couple of the other bigfoot research 664 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.840 groups and just went out with about four of them 665 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.599 and my producer Kelsey Ray, and we spent the weekend 666 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.079 out there just sort of hearing about what they generally 667 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.280 do when they go out on these kinds of excursions, 668 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:44.679 what they're looking for. One of the guys told us 669 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:48.920 his bigfoot encounter story, which was a little creepy sitting 670 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.119 there at night in front of the campfire with all 671 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.920 the forest sounds around you. And then we went out 672 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:00.639 on a late night hike with night vision and thermal 673 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:06.119 vision like flear Yeah exactly, Okay, and it was. It 674 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.079 was pretty cool. It was a really fun experience. 675 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:10.360 So this show is going to take you through the 676 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.400 end of the year. What's next for you? What are 677 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:13.280 you working on after this? 678 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:13.840 Oh? 679 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.679 Yeah, see, everybody asks that question. I'm not quite ready 680 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.159 to divulge that yet. Okay, mainly because I'm still trying 681 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.440 to sort of hammer out if it's the right project 682 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:22.760 for me. 683 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.199 Gotcha, is there anything else you'd like to let listeners 684 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.039 know about your show or anything else you'd like to 685 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:28.880 plug or promote. 686 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.360 Well, you know, this is a this is an audience 687 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.119 it's used to talking about monsters, so I probably don't 688 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:36.599 need to say this to them. But you know, the 689 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.320 thing that I found I kind of went into this 690 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:44.039 expecting the Bigfoot people to be tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, 691 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:51.119 a little bit crazy, and have been extremely pleasantly surprised 692 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:55.039 by just how down to earth everybody is. And I 693 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.800 think that's one of the things that surprised me. And 694 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.320 then you know, they're basically people who have an interest 695 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.079 in something, who are very curious about something, and who 696 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.199 want to know more. And honestly, they're going outside, they're 697 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:12.920 hanging out with friends, they're doing. They're pursuing a hobby 698 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.039 that they find fascinating, and I don't really see what's 699 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.840 wrong with that. So I would say you're not allowed 700 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.960 to make fun of bigfoot people anymore as sort of 701 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:21.920 my general general feeling on that. 702 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.199 Yeah, I hope that that's been our I don't know 703 00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.280 what they're that that's the tone we eat those, Yeah, Ethos, sir, 704 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:36.159 I wanted to say footprint. Yeah, that I hope that 705 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.840 that's where we are as well. I mean, I I've 706 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:40.920 been that guy out in the woods looking for Bigfoot, 707 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:42.719 and you know, I still like to go out in 708 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.159 the woods, and I still, even though I'm very skeptical, 709 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.679 there's not a n I thinks me one, right exactly. 710 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.440 I every time I'm driving through a pine forest, I 711 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.119 keep hoping one will step out in front of me 712 00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.639 and I could just you know, speed up the run 713 00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:57.559 them over with your car exactly. 714 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.480 So speaking of monsters. 715 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.239 Yes, exactly, I'm terrible, but you know, I really would 716 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.559 love it to be true. I would love Yeah, I know. 717 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.639 I think a lot of people do. I mean, there's 718 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.519 just something about that that's extremely appealing. 719 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:18.679 It is, So you did X well, you expressed some 720 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.239 reticence around the paranormal bigfoot question because it's not very scientific. 721 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.360 But you probably ran into some paranormal bigfoot people right 722 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:26.960 when you're researching. 723 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.880 A very few. It actually worked out into my favor 724 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:35.199 that I had gone to Grover's wife for his widow first, 725 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.599 because she then put me in touch with other people 726 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.719 who had known and worked with Grover. And I think, 727 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.000 you know, people would come up to Grover with all 728 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.519 kinds of theories and he would listen to them because 729 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.400 he never knew if someone was going to give him 730 00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.119 information that was actually helpful to the work he was 731 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.679 trying to do. Yeah, but I think he also got 732 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.079 a lot of people who were like, yeah, they came 733 00:37:56.119 --> 00:38:02.079 here on alien spaceships. I've seen the landing site, and 734 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.079 you know, he was patient, but I think that stuff 735 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.639 kind of just drove him crazy, and he steered clear 736 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.880 of a lot of that. So most of his peers, 737 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.239 most of the people he stayed in touch with, were 738 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:18.400 of a similar mindset, and so he because I was 739 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.559 introduced to these people through Diane, they were people who 740 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:24.960 knew Grover, who were friends with Grover, and so I 741 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.719 kind of got tracked into this more scientific side of things. 742 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.360 So there were a few people I met who were 743 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.599 a little bit more in the uh the the paranormal Bigfoot, 744 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.239 supernatural Bigfoot, but I didn't end up having actually talking 745 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.880 to a lot. I've gotten letters from a few and 746 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.400 have not really responded because they don't seem like they're 747 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:46.559 quite right. 748 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:53.000 Maybe yeah, it's but it's a broadly uh it. How 749 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.400 do I put this? I'm not I don't want to 750 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.000 be mean to or dismissive of the people. I don't 751 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.679 want to be dismissive the tea. Yeah, support, but it's 752 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.199 a very non scientific approach. And despite the fact that 753 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:11.639 there's been stories around like Bigfoot in UFOs well, to 754 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:16.159 be blunt, a paranormal Bigfoot is a kind of special pleading. 755 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.159 Why haven't we found a body? Because it's extra dimensional? 756 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.519 You know? That's it basically becomes a special pleading, and 757 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.599 it lets you get out of having to have evidence, 758 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.559 or having to have DNA or having to have a 759 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.159 body or any of that kind of stuff. And so 760 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:29.199 it's very frustrating. 761 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.519 If the laws of nature don't apply to Bigfoot, then 762 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.400 they shouln't apply to anything else, and then we can 763 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.519 just throw everything we've ever learned in physics class out 764 00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:36.440 the windows. 765 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.199 Absolutely right, right. So yeah, although I do intend to 766 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.760 do an episode in the near future about the UFO 767 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.559 Bigfoot connection because it's out there. I mean, the stories 768 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.480 are definitely out there. There's lots and lots of stories 769 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:52.519 about Bigfoot being cited, especially around Pennsylvania. I'm not sure 770 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.400 what's going on there, but yeah, so that was big 771 00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:02.679 in the seventies. But yeah, it's so the Patterson Gimlin film. 772 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.400 You did talk about that a little bit. Yeah, the 773 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.719 uh and obviously you talked about Gimlin. So how did 774 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.800 you feel about the film? You probably watched the stabilized version, I. 775 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.519 Assume, yeah, I mean I've watched all kinds of versions, 776 00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.760 the color corrected one, the slowdown one, you know, all 777 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:27.559 of them. That's it's so, it's just it's really interesting 778 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.639 to me from the standpoint that you know, you've had 779 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.239 like three or four people come forward and say, well, 780 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.639 I was the guy in the suit, but everybody's got 781 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.960 kind of a contradicting viewpoint on how that story went. 782 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.880 And as far as I know, no one has produced 783 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.239 the suit, which to me would probably be worth a 784 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.079 fortune at this point if you could. 785 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:47.599 Actually I know. 786 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.280 Yeah. Yeah, So there's just a lot of things with 787 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:56.480 that film where if it's if it's hoaxed, it was 788 00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:00.440 covered up extremely well. And I also don't think Bob 789 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.559 Gimlin's lying because you know, I talked to the man. 790 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.039 You heard his story on this last this interview I 791 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.280 did with him, and he's stuck to the same thing 792 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.480 for a long time, and he's taken a lot of 793 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.320 ridicule for it. And I guess there's a possibility that 794 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.480 maybe he was a patsy and that Roger did orchestrate 795 00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:21.159 some sort of very elaborate hoax, and then I took 796 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.000 that with him to his grave, and that Bob never knew. 797 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:27.119 But I don't know. That's one of those weird pieces 798 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.639 of information out there where I'm just not sure what 799 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:30.400 to do with it. 800 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.679 Yeah, it's tricky. Patterson sounded like he was a pretty 801 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.719 tricky guy. Yeah, up to it, including the fact that 802 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.440 you know, he made Bob have to sue him to 803 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.760 try to get his money. I mean, it's it. I 804 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.519 don't doubt for a second I would have enjoyed talking 805 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.360 to him, you know, Oh, I'm sure. 806 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.840 I bet he was a phenomenal storyteller. 807 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:56.159 But yeah, I just I always felt like, uh, it 808 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.079 seems like if well, okay, there's too many coincidences for 809 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.760 my taste the whole thing. 810 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.079 I mean, right, this is your first time out looking 811 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.039 for bigfoot and you have been happened to have a 812 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:06.480 camera and you happen to find it. 813 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.960 Yeah, and it's a female with big pendulous breasts and 814 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.840 they matched the only drawing, Like, you wrote a book 815 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.079 a little bit before about bigfoot, and the drawing you 816 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.360 did was of a big foot, big pendulous breasts, and 817 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.119 that's what you see, and of course that matches the 818 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.400 William Rose siding in Canada. It's there's a lot of 819 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:24.719 weird coincidences. 820 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.119 Wow, you went way to further down the rabbit hole 821 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:27.639 than I did. 822 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.800 Yeah, it's it's it's uh, there's a lot going on 823 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.480 there that makes me doubt. But what would be really 824 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.400 more compelling would be if anybody else had found some 825 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.480 compelling footage. And all the other subsequent bigfoot video has 826 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:42.599 been pretty shoddy. 827 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.559 Yeah, it really has. Yeah, I haven't seen anything yet 828 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.880 that it's that is uh that makes me sit up 829 00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:50.559 and take notice. 830 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.440 Well, I don't want to leave listeners on that sad 831 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:53.119 note though. 832 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.079 No, that's not I was talking about something happy. 833 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:56.320 Yeah. 834 00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:01.639 Yeah, So so I'm out of my prepared questions, but 835 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.239 I do want to talk about monsters a little bit more. 836 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.840 We actually have this this finishing question we like to 837 00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.079 answer ask first time guests, and that is what is 838 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.400 your favorite monster? And that could be anything that you 839 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.239 declare as a monster that's your personal taste. 840 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:22.000 So it can even be a real species. Absolutely all right, 841 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.360 I am going to say the Komodo dragon really okay, yeah, 842 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.679 why think? Well, first of all, it's enormous. 843 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:30.639 They are really big. 844 00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.519 They are huge, and they when they bite you, they 845 00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.480 have like toxins and the glands around their jaw and 846 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.840 they can like poison you and they can keep you 847 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.199 from I think it's an anti coagulant, so like as 848 00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.440 you're as it's eating you and you're bleeding out, you 849 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:47.159 can't even like. 850 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:49.679 Clot Oh wow. 851 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:51.760 Yeah. And they smell really bad. 852 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.559 Oh really, that's yeah, I guess they should. I've been 853 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.199 to plenty of reptile houses. None of the smell very pleasant. 854 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.119 Yeah, and yeah, and I just and they're old, like 855 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.280 they're an old old species. They've been around for a 856 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:10.440 really long time. I'm trying to think. They think that there. 857 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.480 They might have been around as long as almost four 858 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.639 million years ago, which is pretty crazy. 859 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.079 Yeah, basically maintained the same morphology. 860 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:19.440 Yeah, exactly. 861 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:25.239 Yeah, they're really huge and can be surprisingly fast. And 862 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.320 I know there was a time of like maybe fifteen 863 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.719 years ago people thought they had no toxins, like they 864 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.719 thought it was just a heavy bacterial load. But I 865 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.400 know that recent researchers pointed out that they no, no, 866 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.159 they got a little bit of toxin them too. Yeah. Yeah, 867 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.119 so oh they have a lot of teeth. 868 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.519 They have a lot of teeth that they eat, they 869 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:48.000 eat carry on and they attack people. I don't know. 870 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.119 That sounds pretty monstrous to me, really so cool, Like 871 00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.079 I don't want to like run one over with my car. 872 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.760 Person Who would do that? Who would do that? 873 00:44:58.039 --> 00:44:59.000 Horrible person? 874 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.760 Terrible, terrible person. So yeah, that's fantastic. Okay, okay, yeah, no, 875 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.079 that's a good one. We had on a guy from 876 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.960 Australia a few months ago and we were talking about 877 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:18.599 crocodiles and alligators before the movie Rampaids came out, and 878 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.280 he was talking about some of the many many species 879 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.679 of I think they're called gowana there's sort of Big 880 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.800 Lizards of Australia and it made me go back and 881 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.400 watch a lot of lizard videos and they are really 882 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.440 really interesting hunters. And you know, like a lot of 883 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:39.400 lizards can't really run fast for a long time. R whoa, 884 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.440 But they can run really fast for a short time. 885 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.840 Yeah, they can. If you ever watched videos of like 886 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:46.599 crocodiles or alligators charting and. 887 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.960 Oh yeah no, it's crazy. Yeah no, it's scary as hell. 888 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:55.920 Yeah yeah. Well wow, that's fantastic. Well, Laura, thank you 889 00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.800 so much for taking time out of your schedule to 890 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:00.559 talk to Monster Talking listeners. 891 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:02.880 You are very welcome. This was a lot of fun. 892 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:04.119 I really enjoyed it cool. 893 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.960 If you need any any super nerdy cryptozoology info, just 894 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:10.920 reached out to me. 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