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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dan Favali coming at

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you with for the first time in a while, mister

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Mort Jensen of the NBA Podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports,

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fame of HBO Max Fame, and of course of OnlyFans celebrity.

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We are gathered here round the Hardwood Knox table today

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to predict the next wave of all NBA stars. We

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have some criteria in place whereach gonna alternate, pick a

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few players that we believe will be perennial in the

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All NBA conversation, and ultimately make those teams who have

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not already again with some criteria there to avoid some

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of the clearly obvious choices. But first and foremost, Mort,

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how the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 3: This exercise was a little tougher because obviously we can't

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go like the wimpy route, so you need to go

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a little bit under the radar on these guys. But

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I think these types of episodes can always be interesting

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because it forces you to think a little bit outside

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the box.

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Speaker 2: You might include guys where you.

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Speaker 3: Know you differ a whole bunch with your your castmate,

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and that always leads into interesting discussions about who is right,

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who is wrong, and why we both might be wrong

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or right right.

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Speaker 1: And so the Cristier you were put in place was

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they can't have made They kind have made an All

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Star team, but they can't have made an All NBA

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team already, and we wanted to also filter out this

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is really just two names we're talking about, but two players,

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assuming they play in the required number of games this

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season in Victor Wemenyama and chet Holmgren now just feel

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like shoeins, and so they were not eligible for our

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inclusion here. The Wemby one specifically, it's just that's he's

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been since basically day one. You knew he was going

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to be on the list of as long as he

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plays in sixty five games.

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Speaker 4: So it's not a shot at Wemby.

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Speaker 1: If anything, it's a tip of the cap to I

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don't know if you saw this more. I brought this

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up on the podcast that I recorded with Grant last week.

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Speaker 4: There were people that were talking about.

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Speaker 1: Whether he should be allowed to win Defensive Player of

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the Year because he dominates by virtue of his physical tools,

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and is that ethical enough?

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Speaker 2: Wait? What is that?

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Speaker 4: I think I said?

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Speaker 1: That was the gist of it that I'm not talking verbatim,

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but it was just because other players either have I guess,

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have to do more complicated things or can't lean on

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being Hey, I'm eight feet tall with a thirty foot wingspan.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wow wow. So that's that's where we've gone to

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now in the discourse. That's interesting, the dark place on

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social media.

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Speaker 1: But we're not He's not here today because he's just

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he's gonna make a bunch of all NBA teams.

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Speaker 4: No, no, he's gonna make one. He's gonna win DEFENSI players.

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Speaker 3: Like literally, he might win freaking MVP this year, by

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the way, if he just finishes in the top three.

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I need a little partial credit on that because I

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called him MVP before the year. People were after me

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and I said the Spurs could win between fifty fifty

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five games. Again, people were saying I was ridiculous. Look

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at where they are. I need a little partial credit

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on that one.

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Speaker 1: Little because I was one of I think I was

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on a podcast with you and Pooh pooh the idea.

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Speaker 4: I thought you were just ahead of your skis on it.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Spurs would be good, not biggest threat

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to the Oklahoma City Thunder in the.

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Speaker 4: Entire league good, and they're right, they're on that level.

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Speaker 1: I also saw you heat checked and predicted that the

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Spurs are going to win the title. Now I did,

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so that's it's not Look you would have said that

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to me in September October, I would have laughed at you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean so I will say, just because I

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don't want to suit my own horn on that one

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specifically and saying oh, I said that back in September,

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because that is a recent development for me that I

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think the Spurs will win the title. The way that

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they're just closing up games, like their fourth quarter defense

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Speaker 2: I wrote about this over at Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: They're just continuously keeping forty though it's very ethical. Yeah,

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but like just the way they're they're winning a good

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teams and are just closing them out and are doing

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Speaker 2: It's you can't ignore that. It's just kind of my

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Speaker 1: And I think, no, you did not predict them to

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win the title preseason, but you had them in the

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fifty win territory range, so you can tip your cap

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there and Ironically, just because Wemby's not eligible doesn't mean

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none of their players will be selected. As we go

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through this exercise with that in mind, was there anything

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else that you gave special consideration to when trying to

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figure out which players you were gonna select?

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Speaker 2: So?

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equation because I think you're gonna grab him. Solely because

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freed up one more guy who isn't the rookie? Well

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your first pick is going to be?

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Speaker 2: Yes? You can?

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Speaker 4: Cooper Flag?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, look, how could it not be Cooper Flag.

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Here's the thing I actually had thought of going in

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a different direction. I'm hoping you're not gonna steal my

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pick later on, But Cooper is Cooper?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: The fact that He came in to the league with

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this defensive reputation of being this game altering defender, and

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now he's averaging twenty points a game, you know, and

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four plus assists and we're barely talking about his defense.

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He turned nineteen in December. How could you not have

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this guy as someone who's gonna be a perennial All Star,

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Perennial All MBA caliber player.

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Speaker 2: You know, his defense.

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Speaker 3: At this point, I need to see more before I'm

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gonna throw him into like future DPO wide discussions, because

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I think he's the burden of offense he's had to carry

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this year has just been so big that it's unfair

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I think to evaluate him on what he's done defensively

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this year, because like he's been gassed for many games,

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because he's had to carry these MAVs offensively speaking, which

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I thought would be a year two thing, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's a year one thing. So like, kudos to Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: I he's the no notes guy in this right. I

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don't know who would have any pushback that I want.

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I would be curious what's the case against Cooper Flag

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not making all NBA teams into the future.

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Speaker 3: He's shooting under thirty percent from the three inus rookie season.

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Speaker 1: That's it, right, And I think what's important there though,

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is I mean, that's a question I have and I'm

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sure you have too, is okay, what does the three

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point shot ultimately look like? But I think you even

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when you look at Dallas's spacing or the level of

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offense that he is shot like faried with creating there

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the fact that he's as good of a finisher at

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the rim now and it's clearly just not his peak.

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area in the half court. Yeah, sixty four point four

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percent in the restricted area in the half court, and

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we're looking at someone who most of those a majority

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of those are just going on a like he's creating

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those looks for himself. And so to be around what

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is the league average in the restricted area has to

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be around there. Maybe he's a little bit above it.

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part because I would think as time goes on, the

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goal in Dallas is to not only get better players

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around him in general, but the spacing is going to

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him because they have a lot of talented guys on

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that roster throughout this season, but it just.

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Speaker 4: Is not an oasis of spacing.

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Speaker 1: And I think that as that changes and as he

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gets to play with another that like, I just imagine

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Cooper Flag, like Kyrie Irving would be an example, assuming

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he's still in Dallas next season. Imagine Cooper Flagg getting

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to play off of Kyrie Irving and so you have

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that other I know they have ball handlers where if

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Naji Marshall gets downhill, they have other guys the team

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that are respectable, but Kyrie rings a different level. That's

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just going to open up life for Cooper Flag in

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the half court and to be there when like to

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jump shot look like?

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Speaker 4: Given the season that.

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Speaker 1: Dallas has had, I think it's probably a bigger deal

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than even people are making it out to be. He

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won't be my Rookie of the Year, I think, just

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because Kank Nipple has played so much more and he's

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also playing for a real team, which matters too. But

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I've come away from this season having not watched him

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much before the NBA just knowing, oh, he was worth

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the hype, and then something.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, by the way, you brought up

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Kyrie Irving as the space or to be. I'm looking

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at the draft and if they have a chance at

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getting Darius a cuff or a cuff hell Yah out

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of Arkansas. You know, six', three possibly six.' four he,

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looks bigger he LOOKS like i think he's going to

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surprise a lot of people during the the measurement part of.

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a half percent from three and creating his own looks. As,

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well like that's the type of lead guard he needs,

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alongside him someone who. Will space like If the MAVs

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go out and find a limited floor space at the

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league guard position to Pair, With flag i'm not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Love that needs someone who is very much de shooting

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in the three ball to Just provide flag with all of,

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Speaker 1: IT yeah, i mean even if you draft like with that,

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when he's Played Post all star but on, The Season

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max christy's had a good, shooting year just more spacing, for.

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THAT dude i would love to see long term what

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maybe a stretch five element would look Like alongside.

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Speaker 4: COOPER flag, I don't, I don't i.

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Speaker 1: Don't know you need to make that, a priority but

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Speaker 2: To, see agreed what?

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Speaker 4: Are you how do you feel about the?

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Speaker 2: JUMP shot i trust it.

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out automatic like from the mid, range AREA where i

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up it was like it would just. Be NYLON so

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with his jump shot that makes me GO that i

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at his efficiency like the sub forty effective field goal

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range in the paint still but not in the, RESTRICTED

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area i think his touch there is only going. To

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improve and even now is not the end of. The

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world but shooting forty seven percent in the paint in

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the half court again Inside this, MAVERICKS offense i think is.

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Speaker 2: Pretty important so who do you, Have now i'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: GO with i don't know if this ultimately reflects my,

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confidence Level but i'm gonna Go With kon kinnipple Of The.

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Speaker 4: Charlotte horns.

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Speaker 1: HE is i don't know what my expectations were for

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him as. A rookie i thought he would play a

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bunch of Minutes, in charlotte, for sure but to come

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in and now you've been the most available of just

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the most important players on the team. All year and

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the shooting is the shooting in the, sense, that oh.

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It's scary the THINGS that i didn't realize enough of coming, In,

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is oh this is someone who can generate his. Own

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shot this is someone who might be willing to. Set

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screens this is someone who could set up stuff for,

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Other players like he's thrown a good number of just

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those higher value assists when you're looking at passes that

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are going to lead to threes or maybe closer looks at.

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The rim even his own ability to get to. THE

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rim I guess i just underestimated like the size and strength.

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Of him so this is, AND defensively i don't know

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what he'll be, long term but he has the size

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and again is strong enough to, where, it's oh that's

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not going to be some someone whose submarines your. Entire

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defense and the number that stands out to me for

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him on his, rookie season just to reinforce how good

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he's been at handling the ball or the things that

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he could do with, The ball he's in the eighty

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eight percent tyle mort of unassisted shots at. The rim

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that is just for a rookie who that's not supposed

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to be. His strength that's, that's insane and this is.

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JUST god i still were not there to the point

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where you feel good if you toggle with some of the, lineups,

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that oh look at how Good the hornets are when

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he's playing Out without. LaMelo ball i think HE'S the

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i think he's a quality of player who could eventually

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be the engine of. YOUR offense i won't say he'll

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get there, next year And if LaMelo And brandon miller both,

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remain there that is something you'll have to question, long

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term is what could his actual? Ceiling be but his

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ability to kind of already be A Fringe all star

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and he's not someone who needs to dominate the ball

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or isn't always going to be THE one. B option

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i really think his, Ceiling, is oh did he back

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his way into like a second a couple of Second

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TEAM all nba performances.

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Speaker 3: Or something the eighty eighth percentile stat is just rubbing

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it in my FACE because i was so WRONG that

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I had i've told you. THIS before i had him

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as a year. TWO guy i thought he'd come in

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struggle on the ball and he'd be kind of relegated

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To What keigan murray was the first Year, in sacramento, just,

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like hey you, know what focus on the three ball

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will slowly develop your own. Ball skills and then this

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dude just came, In, LIKE nope i. CAN create i

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can CREATE everything i Need, TO like i can create,

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my well he doesn't do it all, that much like

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only about, Eight PERCENT but i can create my own. Three,

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POINT look i can certainly create my own. TWO pointers

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i can create my. OWN drives i can hit practically

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seventy percent near. THE rim i just. He was he's

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been rubbing it in, all YEAR and i, Love it like.

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Kdka nipple are you are invited to kick? My? Ass

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sir it's completely FINE because i was so, goddamn WRONG

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and i am fully enjoying being this WRONG because i

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love these kind, OF surprises i. REALLY do i thought

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we'd see this level of play in, year two maybe even.

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Year three for us to see this in, year one

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just it puts the ceiling So, much hargher to quote

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The Great, michael jordan the ceiling is now the roof

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that seems, low right, very slow.

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Speaker 1: Seems low i'm curious the next frontier FOR him I

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think i want to see what he does if he

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does get more agency over, the offense and how that

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translates to setting up. For OTHERS but i want to

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see if ken that actual, rim frequency not just the

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ability to generate. His own look there again in the

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short mid, range area does that?

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Speaker 4: Come up and?

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Speaker 1: With it is this someone who you can trust to

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because they think a big part of you don't need

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to BE an sga level, foul drawer but you would

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like to see that number come up a. Little bit

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but to, do that he might need to spend more

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time on, the BALL which i think so much of

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his mystique is he doesn't need to spend more time on.

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The ball that's not the way that you would depending

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on how they go about, this offseason, the draft free.

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Agency trades he just fits alongside any one. And everyone

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there's not, you know everyone wants to see, them upgrade

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Like the combo, forward Spot The miles. Bridges spot maybe

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some people have, talked about oh do they need a

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big Better. Than diabaatee there's just not someone you could

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Suggest the hornets would go After who continipple cannot.

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Speaker 3: Fit, alongside right he is going to be the next

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like league primary plug and play guy in that sense

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that he can come into every, single team regardless, of

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setup regardless. Of system the fact that his shooting powers

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will just allow him to at the very least have

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an off ball roll of. Major significance but the fact

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that he can also, initiate plays can playoff pick, and

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rolls and he can, do so, you know scaling, it

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down scaling, it up.

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Speaker 2: Whatever he needs. To do that just makes him so.

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Speaker 3: Damn valuable moving forward, for yeh wherever he's whatever situation

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he's going to find.

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Speaker 1: Himself in do you ever wonder if players like him

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because they're so willing and able to set those off

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ball screens that their teams won't necessarily use them on

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the ball as much as you, would like because it's

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actually hard to get someone who can do that as

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effectively while maintaining the accuracy off those plays or just

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drawing in the defense the way that.

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Speaker 3: THEY do i think that depends on the, coaching staff

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because some coaches will obviously look at that, and, go

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oh this is. Super valuable let's stick, into that and others, will,

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say look we have to evaluate what we think is

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more of a pressing concern. For us do We Want

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kanka nipple to spend time as. A screener do we

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want to unleash you worse offensive player and actually? Use,

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screens again depends on who you are as. A coach

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i think playing For, the Hornets Where charles lee has

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this very big focus on offensive efficiency and where everything has,

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to be, you know really tight in terms of the,

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OFFENSIVE execution i think he will understand what he might

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be relinquishing a little bit, this year and then he'll

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give it up on the back end. Next year whereas

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If If kank nipple had ended Up, in orlando, WHICHIMON

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mostly I think jamal would have, been like, oh yeah

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you're a screener and he would have averaged a fraction

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of what he does right now. Offensively speaking so again

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it comes down to the competence of your. COACHING staff

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i Trust To. CHARLES lee I Trust charles lee and his.

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Speaker 1: Coaching staff i'm just now that, you add assuming They

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Keep kobe, white around you Do Have, Brandon miller he's

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there will. Be room i'm just curious what the ceiling.

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Is on just as an, arbitrary line what does his pick.

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Speaker 4: And roll volume?

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Speaker 1: Look like that is initiating because he's at, under three

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comfortably under three per game, this year and so you'd

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like to probably see that based Off how charlotte plays their.

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Offense too he doesn't need To be mamel's probably only

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running like eight pick and rolls a game. Or something

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i'd probably like to see that number double come up.

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Speaker 2: Around, there yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, for me IT'S don't i don't even Question the

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LaMelo And brandon miller fit. WITH con i actually think

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that trio. Works well you don't need a guy to

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average eighteen at the forward Slot In miles bridges, For

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example like you you have. Those guys i've told you.

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THIS before i would prefer to have a sort of

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connector a playmaking for instead, To Help like draymond is

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too old and there isn't like A typical draymond in the,

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league otherwise but someone who can come in and just

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initiate place with the ball in, his sayings like Even

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A Colin mourray boyles, for example who is like a

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great defensive player who will move, the ball who will.

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SCORE opportunistically i Think he i'm using him as, an

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example would significantly Upgrade these hornets because you Can Remove

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miles bridges from the occasion the equation and get significantly

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better because you can spread his offense out onto these

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other guys and then replace his minutes with someone who's

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a better, connector, defender. Passer EVERYTHING so i would have

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no issue basically moving forward, And, Saying, okay hornets you

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are going to be the twenty two versions Of The

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Run Team sea crowd From The Golden state warriors with,

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You Know, Tim Hardaway mite Richmond And chris mullen back in.

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The day like you can have, your, one two and

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three be your primary scores as long as you have

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guys who are opportunistic in the. Front line so, to

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me it's just a matter of reshuffling.

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Speaker 1: Some, Contracts yeah i'm not worried about his fit alongside

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anyone else Or Even brandon Miller And lamel. Ball specifically

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i'm just curious whether that ecosystem and what he's able

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to do well does that artificially repress, His ceilings so

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does he not belong. IN this i think he will ultimately,

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get there but that would be something definitely because he

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could certainly get To An all, star level especially if.

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Speaker 4: You're going to play In.

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Speaker 1: The east But THE all nba level is like kind

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of that. Next bar and so unless we Think that

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charlotte's going to be a fringe dynasty and they're going,

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to routine we have three guys contending FOR all nba Honors,

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With LaMelo, brandon Miller And. CONTINENT pal i feel, fairly

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CONFIDENT though i don't know if he would be my

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like if We. Picked cooper flag was the easy number one,

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pick Here but i've been, PLEASANTLY shocked i think by

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All That continent ball.

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Speaker 2: Can, DO yeah, i agree who's your?

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Speaker 3: Next PICK so i considered using the first pick on,

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this GUY but i had a feeling you would go

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in a Different Route jalen JOHNSON because i think he's

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the best player on the. List here jalen is just,

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great man just. Absolutely great twenty, three points ten and a,

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half boards, eight assists just ridiculous. Transition player the defense

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still holds Up like he'll have games admittedly where he'll

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have to carry such a big offensive burden that he

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has to. Scale DOWN but i also think, moving forward

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that is Something the hawks are going to be, looking

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into because if you look at their, salary situation they

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are in a position to use his rather ridiculous contract

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firdy millions straight over the next. Many years see McCollum

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is cunning off, the books like they just Traded For,

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Jonathan kamenka like they have these great Mixture contracts Niki

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lexand Walker on Yeko. Kong Vu Even corey kispert is

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not overpaid or anything of, that stretch Like The dyson

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daniels CONTRACT which, i loved you hate, Right now you're

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looking more right than me on. That one but, even

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so they're not in a, Bad like they're not in

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a bad financial. Situation Whatsoever so i'm thinking they're gonna

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pluck some of those Holes so johnson will be even

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more effective next year and be able to pick his

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spots a little. Bit more but the way that this

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dude just is hands down the best player on, this

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team and the way that he controls and dictates the

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flow of, THE game i genuinely think that If the

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hawks next year could approach, fifty wins we're GONNA see

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mvp Buzz For. JALEN johnson i think there's another step to,

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HIS game, i think or rather. His EVOLUTION whenever i watch,

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Him play i'm seeing someone who is just not. Done

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Developing so i'm looking, at HIM and i think he's

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got a future superstar career ahead.

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Speaker 4: Of him he's a.

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Speaker 1: Good pick he's basically a one man transition offense. Onto

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himself who is better at just running off of live

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rebounds right Now Than.

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Speaker 4: Jalen.

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Speaker 3: Johnson, yeah see it's funny because the first person or

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the first player that comes to mind isn't even the

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league because he's an old. Head now but That Was,

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sean marion like the guy who just would grab that

475
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,759
board and just. Go ahead like he reminds me of

476
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:31,240
that type. Of player who? Is that that's a really.

477
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,880
Good Question is gianni's the only one like where you

478
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,680
really trusted?

479
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,759
Speaker 4: To count the guys have to be on, One, hand.

480
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,079
Speaker 3: No but he's right, up THERE and i think that

481
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,680
is for him. NEXT year i would not be surprised

482
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,039
if there's a bigger emphasis on half court execution.

483
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 2: AS well i think he can.

484
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,599
Speaker 3: GET there i think the jump shot looks a lot better,

485
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,359
this year even on, higher volume and we also see

486
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,480
it from the free throw, line again, higher volume. Higher

487
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,680
efficiency he just Makes these he just takes these steps every,

488
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,160
single year AND all nba SEEMS like i was about,

489
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,160
to SAY all nba seems like something he would win,

490
00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,119
this year but Like the hawk's, Good enough like you're,

491
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,319
on this so HE would.

492
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:17,599
Speaker 1: I haven't the games played would be the only THING

493
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,240
that i think would stop him right at, Six point

494
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,720
so that's not going to be a concern. With him He's,

495
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,839
at yeah when he plays his, next game he'll, be

496
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,480
good right.

497
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 3: Or yeah he's missed he smids missed seven games.

498
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: So, far yeah he'll. BE fine i think he gets.

499
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,640
IN you i mean you said his numbers at the top, of,

500
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,880
THIS right i. Would echo even though the three point

501
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,599
percentage doesn't, look flashy it's bordering on a. Career high

502
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,279
and he's at thirty six percent like above, the break

503
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,119
which is. Really GOOD so i mean twenty three and ten. And,

504
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,559
eight yeah that's gonna he might even get some second,

505
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,319
team buzz especially With if max he's not going to,

506
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,880
be eligible his want to look out for like that's

507
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,839
he might be in second team territory.

508
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: This, POINT yeah i Really Like. JALEN johnson i think there's.

509
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: Something there Do you how do you feel because you

510
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,400
mentioned the half, court stuff that's the ONE that i

511
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,799
keep coming back TO where i just, don't know like

512
00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,319
him having to run offenses from a. DEAD stop i

513
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,319
feel better ABOUT than i did a year or. Two

514
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,279
Ago but i'm curious as to what what's the, level of,

515
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,000
you know secondary creator that you need alongside him to

516
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:26,440
like just make sure that things are.

517
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,839
Speaker 2: Properly open so that's.

518
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: THE thing i think that you need to make him your,

519
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,400
primary initiator like on fast breaks off. Of rebounds but

520
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,119
if you're facing a, good defense you need a real,

521
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,960
leak guard like someone who in the half court can

522
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,319
turn him into more of a play finisher than a.

523
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,519
Play creator not saying you can't run stuff through him

524
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:50,680
in the. Half court obviously you're gonna. Need to, oh

525
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:53,200
yeah and you're gonna need it in a. Short role

526
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,079
you're gonna need him at, The elbows you're gonna need

527
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,640
him in a bunch of. Different places but having a

528
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,240
real leak guard next to him a half court situation

529
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,079
specifically where you can basically, tell, him look here is

530
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,920
an opportunity for you to. Rim run here's an opportunity

531
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,519
for you. To pop like here you can actually play

532
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,680
off of elite guard who is able and capable of

533
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,359
creating for himself as well as finding you in specific

534
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,680
situations that would be smart By, the hawks, And Again

535
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,400
trey young was never. That Guy trey young would occupy

536
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,079
the offense to a. Different extent, SO like i know

537
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,359
some people will be sitting, There, thinking hey couldn't that

538
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,119
Have BEEN trey i.

539
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: Think. They, Tried, MAN yeah.

540
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,599
Speaker 1: I don't because YOU mentioned i don't even know if

541
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,759
the player needs to be as good as you, were

542
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:45,279
MENTIONING because i believe we've seen the difference even just HAVING.

543
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,680
The cj McCollum, there, right soah when those two are

544
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,880
on the, court Together the hawks half court offense is

545
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,440
in an, Eightieth percentile so you're A. Move, cj McCollum

546
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,880
though In The jalen johnson minutes and all of a

547
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,079
sudden you're dipping. Below average you probably want someone BETTER and,

548
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,119
cj McCollum don't get, me wrong but that's the luxury

549
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,799
Of What jalen johnson. Could DO is i don't know

550
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,559
that you need an all star floor general or like

551
00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:12,359
you just need a secondary guy who's what like WHAT.

552
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,119
Would cj McCollum was graded out as this year see

553
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,240
topped one Hundred plagu if you had a top, seventy

554
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,559
five top fifty guy to places, alongside him and it's

555
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,240
sort of a, similar role maybe higher END. Than.

556
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,079
Speaker 4: Cj McCollum. For sure you're probably just like you're cooking.

557
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: From, there, YEAH yeah i have no NOTES that i.

558
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,119
Completely agree my Next pick i'm going to.

559
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,799
Speaker 1: GO with i think someone that this will probably anger

560
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,920
a bunch, Of People, pollo Bancaro The. Orlando magic he

561
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,559
has Made An all star team As As jalen johnson

562
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,319
Was An all star this.

563
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: Year Too but.

564
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: I've been really Impressed what i've Seen, with polo even

565
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:51,279
when stuff wasn't working out.

566
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 4: ALL year i mentioned this, a Ton so i'm just

567
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,160
gonna really.

568
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,519
Speaker 1: Mention it the touch time is, just DOWN and i

569
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,000
think the ball stopping stuff has had some merit to

570
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,200
it in. PREVIOUS seasons i think he's tried a lot.

571
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,119
This year his screening volume.

572
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 4: Is up that's a.

573
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: Big one he's kind of split when you look at

574
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,240
dig into the numbers and then if you're watching how

575
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,880
the way their half court offense. Is running he's split

576
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,640
duties with Not Even, desmond Baane But anthony black has

577
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,960
been given more a breathing room in space to operate.

578
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 4: AS well i Like what palo.

579
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,839
Speaker 1: Has done if you look at some of the matchups

580
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,119
that he has where he, might have, you know a

581
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,440
star assignment, on him whether it's a if It Is

582
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:31,920
scottie Barnes Guarding palo banco Or Is Jaron jackson Junior Guarding,

583
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,440
palo bancarro he will fan out to the corners to

584
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,200
try and pull them more away from.

585
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 4: The play he's not always gonna work out when you're

586
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,319
Looking at.

587
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: ORLANDO spacing i really think he's more of a team

588
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,039
oriented player than people give him.

589
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:45,319
Speaker 4: Credit for the.

590
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,519
Speaker 1: Shot selection is going to be what it. Is like

591
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:50,319
sometimes you're gonna, love it sometimes. You're not but the

592
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,119
level of ball handling this guy has for someone, his

593
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,720
size someone with, his heft and kind of the coordination

594
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,559
he still has when he's, GETTING downhill i really have

595
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,559
to believe that as the spacing around. Him improves and

596
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,319
if we had seen More Of, Franz Wagner desmond Bane

597
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,160
And palo bankaro, this year there would have been more

598
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,160
of a proof of concept that he's going to MAKE

599
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,480
all nba teams and people, will, say oh he's the number.

600
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,839
Speaker 4: One pick he should have MADE all nba.

601
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,359
Speaker 1: TEAMS already i don't like this hasn't necessarily a situation

602
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,319
been conducive To optimizing Palo ban caro. The, efficient look

603
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,240
the efficiency does need to. Come up i'm not gonna,

604
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,920
say that like you want to see him be more

605
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,519
consistent with the. Three ball he is shooting over forty

606
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,640
percent on spot up threes, this, year though and so

607
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,519
if even that can.

608
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,799
Speaker 4: Become more of a consistent part of. His arsenal we.

609
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:38,599
Speaker 1: All know about his ability to be able to draw.

610
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:42,880
FREE throws i look, AT him i watch him play

611
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,000
and the way that he has tried to fit in

612
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160
and alongside a bunch of different guys, this year and

613
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,640
just what he can do when he gets. Going downhill

614
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,000
and then it's again. Middling EFFICIENCY and i don't want

615
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,200
to blabor this, as well but this is someone who

616
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,839
is now twice in the postseason attempted to carry In

617
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,480
Our lando, magic offense and he at least hasn't looked

618
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,000
overmatched even when the efficiency isn't going to be pretty

619
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,920
through the two different postseason, SAMPLE sizes i really wonder

620
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,119
if a coaching change would do him well Or, even

621
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,400
yeah Like the frond stuff this year and Also the,

622
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,519
polo injury and then We've Seen jalen suggs. Banged up

623
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,480
you can't count on pitcher perfect health all. The Time

624
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,519
but orlando has never really had what it thought was

625
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:28,880
going to be its team available for an extended stretch,

626
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,799
this YEAR and i think that's Part of maybe it's

627
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:34,160
an excuse because we're dealing with this is year four,

628
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,039
For HIM but i think year five. Like this of

629
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,519
the players, we mentioned with the Exception Of, jalen JOHNSON

630
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,519
who's i think is going To MAKE all nba, THIS

631
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,039
year I think polo will be On AN all nba team.

632
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: Next season so you KNOW how i Feel.

633
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,079
Speaker 3: About POWELL but i will, say THIS and i don't

634
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,000
want to limit this just to the winning streak, right

635
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,559
now the seven game, winning STREAK but i do think

636
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:04,279
we've seen something in those. Seven games he has become

637
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,440
more receptive to the idea of being a. Play finisher

638
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,319
like he's not holding the ball. As, much, okay so by,

639
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,480
THE way i haven't done this the numbers, On this

640
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,720
so if the numbers, are wrong then it's an eye test.

641
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,359
For me it FEELS like i. Should clarify it feels

642
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,440
like he's not holding the ball as much as he

643
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:25,440
used to do it earlier in. The year it feels

644
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
like he's getting off of. It quicker it feels like

645
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480
he's making decisions a little bit quicker, as well like

646
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,880
he's just moving it or taking a shot without having

647
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,559
sustained there and, You know demark DROs in. It up

648
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,680
he's getting to the, foul line he's he's finally rebounding

649
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,240
as someone in. His eyes that's that's been one of

650
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,519
my main criticisms. FOR him i have felt for a

651
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,079
while that this dude should be more active on the

652
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,880
glass because he's, six nine, six ten two, fifty like and,

653
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,640
he's movable and, he's nimble and. He's athletic over this

654
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,480
seven game, winning streak he is hitting almost fifty five

655
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,680
percent from, the field and he's getting to the line

656
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,160
eight times, per game hitting that at an eighty. Percent

657
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,200
rate he's at let me just look. At it twenty,

658
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:11,119
six points, nine rebounds five and a. Half assists that

659
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,599
is the Power bank carrow. You need that is the Powder.

660
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,599
Bank carro that fits into what you, just said who

661
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,759
could be AN all nba type. Of guy the whole thing,

662
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,000
for me And why i've been very harsh on the

663
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:26,599
young man has been because he's been standing around a

664
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,400
LOT and i to. Your point you've told me. This

665
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,240
repeatedly look what he has to play with and Like,

666
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,319
von zwachner somebly lost. His touch you're. Not wrong he

667
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,920
did for like what a three. Year period it was

668
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,480
ridiculous where he just literally couldn't shoot. The Ball jalen

669
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:44,599
sucks would be in and out of, the lineups, injuries.

670
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:50,160
GALORE everything i. Hear you now he's Founded and i'm sitting.

671
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,279
There going the reason, for this in part is also

672
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,480
the Acquisition Of, desmond bane which you alluded to in

673
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,119
that same seven winning Streak For desmond bain twenty three

674
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,920
and a, half points, five assists, four rebounds getting to,

675
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,519
the line not shooting a ton, of threes surprisingly only for,

676
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,680
a game but is hitting fifty four percent from. The

677
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,160
field and he IS not i don't want to say

678
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,720
he's the lead, ball handler but the amount of time

679
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:22,200
he's on the ball now indicates that he is taking

680
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,160
a bigger role within, the offense Which Allows ben carroll

681
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,119
to play off. Of him and this is what was

682
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,599
needed for, a while a lead guard to come in

683
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,880
AND say i can get you twenty every. Single game

684
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:39,319
paldo needs to feed off. Of, that well it's working.

685
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Right now and whatever, they're doing they need to stick.

686
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,279
With IT and I know i'm long winded on, this

687
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,720
one so we'll just close it up. With this even though, They're,

688
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,880
winning Please, Dear God, orlando magic still go into the

689
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,440
offseason and consider a. Coaching change just. Consider it still

690
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:02,000
do IT because I don't i Don't truy jamal mostly

691
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,720
in a, playoff CONTEXT and i don't trust them to

692
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:06,000
be particularly creative.

693
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:07,359
Speaker 2: Offensively speaking.

694
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,199
Speaker 1: Do you think how would you feel about them if

695
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,360
they end up because they're not in the plan as of,

696
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,159
right NOW but i mean like they're kind of jumbled

697
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,480
right There right would you worry about them in a

698
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,400
one offsetting or do you think they're so clearly of

699
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,320
if they do, fall too because they're in five, right

700
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,280
now but they're only a couple losses in front, of, nine,

701
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,119
eight seven.

702
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: And six what are you asking Me if i'd be

703
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,719
worried if they make.

704
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:34,679
Speaker 1: Like if they have to face the hornets like in a,

705
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,079
playing game or, they, yeah.

706
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,039
Speaker 2: Okay look THESE are i guess they won't to face.

707
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: The hornets in the first. Playing game they don't have

708
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,000
to worry. About that they'll be the seven. Eight matchup

709
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,199
but like the heat Or the sixers Or, the Raptors the,

710
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,800
hawks too.

711
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: OF course, i look they have the sixteenth ranked offense in. The,

712
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:52,440
LEAGUE yes, i would because at the end of, the

713
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,599
DAY and I know i've set this a, million times

714
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,880
at the end of, the day the team with the

715
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,559
most points at the end of the. Game wins if

716
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,360
they can't generate, enough offense that's. An issue like you

717
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920
can be as good of a defensive team you need,

718
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,320
to be but you still have to. Produce offensively and

719
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,000
this team has had games in this very season where

720
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,119
they have just, looked awful where there's been no cohesion.

721
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,079
Or anything, And look i'm not trying to wash this

722
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:25,239
seventh game winning. Streak away this. Seems legit it seems

723
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,079
like they've turned. A corner it seems like they're really

724
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,400
going about it is the. Right WAY but i also

725
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,840
question is this going to be the new Permanent Because

726
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,199
paldo bancaro has been finding himself in the mid forties

727
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,000
efficiency wise over the course of his. Entire career are

728
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,079
we suddenly to believe that he's just out of nowhere

729
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,559
jumping ten percentage points and that's the.

730
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: New norm.

731
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: Probably not and, Like Again desmond bain fifty four percent

732
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,639
over this shooting over this winning streak. As well that's

733
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,000
probably not. The norm so when things come down, to

734
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,119
norm is that norm good enough to make me feel

735
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:02,159
secure that they can beat an? Offensive potent seemed like

736
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:05,440
for Exampled, the hornets if they do meet up in, Some, Variety,

737
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,960
no no that could go. Both ways i'm not saying they,

738
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,280
will Loose BUT i'm i under no CIRCUMSTANCES do i

739
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,559
feel secure or safe.

740
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: ABOUT it i do think to get back to just.

741
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: His future what helps him is that He's not you

742
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,679
don't have to you don't have to worry about. Him

743
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,480
defensively some of his closeouts right kind of loafe around a,

744
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:26,519
little bit but he has, good size knows how to,

745
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:29,239
Use it he's. Pretty nimble you don't have to. Hide

746
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,239
him that goes a long way to your point about

747
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,440
the efficiency, is. NO don't i don't know that it'll

748
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,960
ever be through, the roof but he seems like he

749
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,039
could Be A jalen johnson level, efficient score especially if

750
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,559
this year getting out and. TRANSITIONING more i can't REMEMBER

751
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:43,840
if i mentioned this to, the top but this is

752
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,199
the most amount of screens that he set for seventy

753
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:49,239
five possessions in, His career you're naturally gonna be more

754
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,239
efficient as a play finisher, and more what happens if

755
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,519
they put how many Plus shooters orlando Or in orlando's rotation?

756
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,960
Right now and even if Even if Frondz was hell's

757
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:01,840
would you throw him? In there maybe he would just

758
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,800
because he has, on ball he has a. Certain gravity

759
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,320
but get like a is it a stretch, to say

760
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,639
get like a second reel outside threat on this team aside.

761
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 4: From A desmond bane and things will open up.

762
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: EVEN more I don't i believe that he can especially

763
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,679
gonna shoot eighty plus percent from the, foul line and

764
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,519
you're gonna be able to hit on what isn't the

765
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,119
simplest shot diyed inside. The arc if you could be

766
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,880
over fifty percent, INSIDE there i think that he could

767
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,719
be Around.

768
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: A jalen johnson level.

769
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: Efficient scorer AND so i would feel pretty confident in.

770
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 3: SAYING that i think, for me the Reason that i've

771
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,719
been disappointed in power is BECAUSE what, I see I

772
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,199
think i see the same thing as, you do but

773
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,000
where you have a little bit, More patience i'd tend

774
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,599
to probably not have it BECAUSE what i see as

775
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:55,320
well as you is a six ten two fifty power

776
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,519
forward whose, nimplest hell, who's athletic who understands how to,

777
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,400
be physical and you're just kind of waiting for him

778
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,440
to put it. All together so like when you're looking

779
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,239
at the raw numbers and you're seeing him stuck in

780
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,360
the mid forties and you're seeing like him not, getting

781
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,480
traction when you're seeing him having these like weird ass

782
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:18,880
turn around sixteen foot, you know fadeaways with four on

783
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,960
the shot clock after his milk clock for, Seventeen seconds

784
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,400
like that's when you get frustrated because you know he

785
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,360
can do so. Much more you want to get him

786
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,000
into those situations where you know he's the trailer and

787
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,280
he gets just two power tripples and he's right at.

788
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,199
The basket you know he can dunk on damn. Near

789
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,360
anyone you know he can go in and score against,

790
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,079
virtually everyone like you just need the right. Shot diet

791
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,920
and it feels like on, some level Occasionally because I'M

792
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,239
not i agree with you that the roster around him

793
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,920
has been just under a.

794
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: Reunce, criticism YEAH and i also do think to your

795
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,320
like to support, your concern he's probably had just, anecdotally

796
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,559
speaking if you're looking at some of the touches he's

797
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,079
gotten in the mid, range area like he's probably had

798
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:04,559
more open space than he's, ever had and it's not

799
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,880
like his percentage until recently has really gone through the roof,

800
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:09,079
Right right.

801
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,679
Speaker 3: But like, WE'RE look i will give him credit because

802
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,480
he is trending in the. Right Direction just i'm looking

803
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,199
at basketball reference, right now and then also tracks with the,

804
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,320
eye test like he's taking more shots within series of

805
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,599
three feet and three to ten feet more than. Ever

806
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,599
before so like that is trending in the. Right direction

807
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,639
the long too has almost. Been halfed that is a sign.

808
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,480
Of progress So like i'm going to be open minded

809
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,719
about him. Becoming better, that said now we're talking ABOUT

810
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,559
all Nba that i'm not closing the. DOOR on i

811
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,760
am still closing the door on him being, you know

812
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,559
your tier one superstar who can lead you deep into.

813
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:48,960
THE playoffs i don't trust him to do that at.

814
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,239
ANY point i probably.

815
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 4: Haven't closed the door on that.

816
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: Just yet AND it's, i mean part of it is

817
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,239
we need TO see i think he has another notch

818
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,960
or three to go as a, playmaker too and that's,

819
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,800
YOU know i think switting that that's, the swing but

820
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,519
it's also if you combined with what he've been able

821
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,519
to do playing Off Of desmon bain Again Even. Anthony

822
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:14,000
black maybe he'll never have to be that level, of

823
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,440
playmaker but you're still gonna have units to where can

824
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,960
he cut down on some of the turnovers in the

825
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,880
half court When A desmond baine isn't on the floor

826
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,639
when he is running these. Things alone, BUT yeah i

827
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,119
think he probably has like another level to get to

828
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,000
when you look at, his ability like the vision that

829
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,920
he does have with his live there's he's an anominally

830
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,400
relative to just someone his size and build who handles

831
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,639
the ball, like Him Because jalen johnson's more of a wingy.

832
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,599
Bill player not To Discredit, jalen johnson but you know, he, is,

833
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,599
yes yes so like that's JUST not i guess people

834
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:47,400
Use The blake Griffin comp that might be the best

835
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,840
one when you're just trying to look at the same.

836
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,800
Body archetype but the control he has when he's getting

837
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,000
downhill off, the dribble and that he's again he has

838
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,840
worked in. CONFINED spaces i haven't shut the door On

839
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,800
oh Paalo ben caro ENTERED the mvp Conversation IN. Season

840
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,159
x it does get, into interesting an interesting existential Question

841
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:11,559
that I'm Guessing orlando magic fans are tired of national

842
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,760
talking shit heads like. Myself ASKING but i Still consider

843
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,599
polo the more important Player Than franz wagner. Long term

844
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:20,960
but that's the thing we need to see from everybody,

845
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,559
from well if you wanted To pick franz for.

846
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,159
Speaker 4: This exercise if you want To, pick.

847
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: Paalo is what can all three of these Dudes with

848
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,519
baine look? Like together and we just we don't have

849
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,599
that sample. Size yet the data on their core lineup

850
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:35,559
is kind, of insane though just a small.

851
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,039
Speaker 4: Sample SIZE so.

852
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: I was one of those voices, as WELL and I

853
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,000
think i put that voice to rest this year for,

854
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:47,199
one reason the health as. You outlined when They Got,

855
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,599
DESTMINE bain i, was like, all, right look that's that's

856
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,519
a worthy gamble in, many ways let's see how that.

857
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,079
Shakes out then over the course of, the Year When

858
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,880
anthony black started developing and just. Popping out, Right now

859
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,280
i'm in that, mindset, of look don't Tinker With, Franz

860
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,039
Vagner paula pankarra at this point in time until we

861
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,480
know what's there with that trio, as well say a

862
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:15,639
Thing to black's, future development because are we Sure That

863
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,079
anything's black is not going to take another leap next

864
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:20,039
Year because i'm not sure. ABOUT that i think. He

865
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:23,039
Can and jalen, SUCKS too, i, mean look he's so.

866
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,400
OFTEN interest I love, JALEN sucks i. Really do And

867
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,599
and Tristan TO silver i think. Is underrated, SO like

868
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:35,199
i like a lot of these components, and, health yes

869
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,480
that is so crucial to.

870
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: Have outline.

871
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,639
Speaker 3: WE'LL see i can't Get there apollo in terms of

872
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,960
LIKE the, Mvp stuff and the reason for that Is

873
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,440
because i've been looking So like i've been writing so

874
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,199
many articles about this just in terms of like trying

875
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,679
to identify, certain traits like what you need to have

876
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,880
to reach, that level you, know that like the, truly

877
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,320
elite top. Tier levels it's also why Like, CAMP booser

878
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,039
i love him as, a PROSPECT but i don't love

879
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,480
him as a franchise altering like. LEAD guy i think

880
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,320
he can be the number two guy on a very

881
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,039
good team who plays off of a. Lead guard like

882
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:13,679
my favorite destination, for him as many others are probably Similar,

883
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,400
the pacers Where When tyre saliburton. Comes back he has that.

884
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,440
LEAD guard I think paolo is in that. SAME bracket i,

885
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,559
Think Him, Pascal Siakam. JULIUS randall i think those guys

886
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,159
are in this very very very very, good bracket but not,

887
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,840
you know automatically, great bracket like they need someone else

888
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,920
to be the. Primary engine and if they're the number,

889
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,079
two guy you could, be in, you know a very.

890
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:43,280
Good situation.

891
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,199
Speaker 4: You want to each pick?

892
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: One more maybe we could run through at, the end

893
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,679
just a bunch of quick hitters and.

894
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,559
Speaker 4: Honorable mentions so do?

895
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:52,519
Speaker 3: You then let me, ask you do you want the

896
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,800
odd duc pick or do you want the very? Obvious

897
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,519
Pick because i've got one that is a little. MESSED

898
00:43:58,559 --> 00:43:59,880
up i.

899
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 4: Think you should go with the. GENUINE pick i don't

900
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:03,559
know whether the.

901
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,559
Speaker 2: Genuine pick oh.

902
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: It's, Not wow well you're saying the oddball. PICK it

903
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,679
i still. BELIEVE it i, just, CAN'T like. I don't

904
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,039
i want to sit here AND say. I don't i

905
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,000
BROUGHT guys i, believe in but, he like it's a.

906
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,079
Tough sell It's all. I'm SAYING can i go with?

907
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: My, guy yeah get?

908
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,559
Speaker 1: Your pick you, Go, there okay kill A, WARE okay i.

909
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:27,199
DID not i didn't expect that.

910
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,079
Speaker 3: To, Happen, No, right, so look this is a GUY

911
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:37,239
who i understand that THE basketball iq is, still developing

912
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,719
but he's still, so young and just from year one to,

913
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,840
YEAR two i think we saw a lot of improvements

914
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,840
just in terms of like just the amount of times

915
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,280
where last year he would have stepped into a, ridiculous

916
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,840
shot where this year he would look, at it he,

917
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,239
would gage he would like survey. The floor And like

918
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,760
miami has been a. Weird team there's been guys in

919
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,360
and out of the lineup they've played, in consistent his

920
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:03,400
FIT with bam has been so So like i'm not

921
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:06,079
putting anything, on him but we've seen, you know him

922
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,559
getting more threes up higher volume. From there he's a.

923
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,480
Good rebounder he's, like again he's a guy who can

924
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:17,159
both cut and roll and, grab lobs, hit threes he can,

925
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:20,880
swatch shots like he'll have these games where he's actually

926
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,639
legitimately a good defender where he will have game. Changing plays,

927
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:28,840
his rebounding like he's auging almost ten boards in twenty

928
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,000
two minutes. Of play, That's ridiculous like per, thirty six

929
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,920
it's almost fifteen boards. Per game, he's like he's a sick.

930
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:39,800
Ass rebounder he's a strong scorer overall inside the paint, As, well,

931
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,320
like yes he will need to be. SET up i

932
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,599
there is Some serious amari stodhamyre with a three point

933
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:49,320
shot vibes coming my Way.

934
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: For kiloware.

935
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 4: How do you feel about?

936
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,199
Speaker 3: Him, defensively yeah so that's, the, Thing right it's shaky

937
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:59,119
because occasionally he'll have THOSE games i just talked about

938
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,519
where he looks out right good and where you, can, see,

939
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:04,960
OH yeah i can have him as my back. Line

940
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,800
defender and then there are the games where he looks

941
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,880
what's the kind way to? Phrase it out of sorts

942
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,840
is probably the best way to go. About IT where

943
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,639
i think he relies a little bit too Much, on

944
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,719
BAM and i have this sneaky SUSPICION which, i hate

945
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,320
is that he needs to be thrown into the, deep

946
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,079
end like over a vast amount of time and where

947
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,119
it's not, just oh over the next three or four

948
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:34,920
Games with bam out to an ankle's brain, or whatever,

949
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:38,960
like yeah you'll you'll have the. Primary, RESPONSIBILITY no i

950
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,360
think he needs like half a season, to fall a

951
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,440
season where He's, Just, hey kilil you're you're gonna be our, primary,

952
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,920
defender buddy get used.

953
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: To it you.

954
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,199
Speaker 3: Better absorb everything you can over these, next months and

955
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,800
you're gonna have to sing or swim because it feels

956
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,119
like he's just his head is on a swivel and

957
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:02,280
not always in a good way where, he's Like, where's Bam?

958
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,559
Where's bam, All right, he's, There okay and that can

959
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,559
be a, good thing but he can also be. A, Crutch.

960
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: YEAH i'm i wonder if he's gonna be one of

961
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,639
those bigs to where if you don't need him to, Focus,

962
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:18,639
on oh we need you to be our back, line

963
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:21,320
protection but you're gonna have to focus on like you can't,

964
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,639
you know can't be, too ballwatchie and then you trust

965
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:28,000
him in, those contexts which is why gets to your

966
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,079
Point about bam covering up. So much if he's going

967
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,480
to be in Front, of, khalil ware do you worry?

968
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:36,360
THOUGH about i, think defensively he could probably be okay

969
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,360
as a base big if we remove bad from. The

970
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,039
equation at, one point he's already contesting a ton of

971
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,760
shots at. The rim but how much of that is

972
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,599
the product? Of okay what does it look like when

973
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:48,119
his head needs to be on a Swivel and bam

974
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:50,280
isn't on, THE court i more so want, to know

975
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,239
do you envision him being able to reach this THIS

976
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,559
all nba ish peak while he's Playing alongside bam or

977
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,440
do you think that it that those two are a

978
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,159
little redundant and they've Been the HIGs numbers to start,

979
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:06,639
The year we're really bad with them on.

980
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: The floor they've.

981
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,119
Speaker 1: Gotten better the team is now shooting thirty seven percent

982
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:13,000
from Three Post all star when both those, guys play

983
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,480
and they've been a net positive in, Those minutes so

984
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:18,480
that's a. Good sign i'm just curious when You have

985
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:20,760
bam and it does seem like so much of your

986
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,280
intrigue specifically is Rooted in khalier ware on the, offensive,

987
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,400
end rightfully so can he ever reach this type of

988
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,480
Pinnacle alongside bam at?

989
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: A bio i think it'll be solf right BECAUSE again

990
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,880
i Do think bam is, so good he's so SEASONED

991
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,960
and i AND again i think for someone like where

992
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,760
it's a bit of a crutch playing. With, him so

993
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,840
like to answer, YOUR question i need to see it

994
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,679
in a. Different context, so, presumably yeah he'll probably need to.

995
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,400
Go elsewhere, to me where feels like a team's hard

996
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,000
in the situation where if you know he if he

997
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,119
goes elsewhere and he's being given the starting spot and

998
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,719
he's being penciled in for forty two minutes, per game

999
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,079
we're gonna see him IN the. Mp conversation we're gonna

1000
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,519
see it a lot like he's just. Gonna pop that's,

1001
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,920
My TAKE and i think ultimately it's going to be

1002
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,519
statistically where as the years, then progress the impact is

1003
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:20,519
gonna come because he'll he can go out next year

1004
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,559
and on a fix for a thirty six minute basis

1005
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,360
that dude can average twenty five to fifteen on a

1006
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,039
per thirty six where those are, impressive numbers but he'll

1007
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:34,239
probably do it in like twenty six twenty eight minutes,

1008
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,159
per game not not the twenty five, to fifteen but

1009
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,719
like that will is what will, he'll play but the

1010
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,159
impact will be sort. Of QUESTIONABLE so i think this

1011
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,320
this is like next year he'll BE. On nba i'm

1012
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,280
looking to Kill where i'm thinking like three or four

1013
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,719
years down, the road when the impact meets the statistical

1014
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,039
probability that.

1015
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,079
Speaker 2: He'll, REACH yeah i did.

1016
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: Not expect, you TO but, i, THOUGHT honestly i thought

1017
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,920
you were Gonna Pick. Amen thompson was that? The other

1018
00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:59,679
was that the alternative pick that you had?

1019
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: The spot.

1020
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,199
Speaker 3: WHY did i not Think Of? AMEN thompson i? Should,

1021
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,719
HAVE yeah i think you, Know, ME man i never

1022
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,280
go with the like the traditional PICKS because i always

1023
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,440
think a little bit outside. The BOX like i also

1024
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,119
Forgot About, stefan, castle who by, the way Him And

1025
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:18,039
amen thompson, is like is That The spider?

1026
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:26,559
Speaker 2: Man meme now are? THE same i. HAVE ahead i.

1027
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,199
Speaker 4: Thought you were Gonna.

1028
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: Pick amen but even with ahmen still on, the table

1029
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,360
and this is just mostly guys that you went with your.

1030
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: Oddball PICK so i Feel Like.

1031
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: Amen thompson might have finished in front and we should

1032
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,360
probably talk about him quickly. AFTER this i have counted

1033
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,280
myself as a step, oh actually.

1034
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,119
Speaker 4: Just to stay true to.

1035
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,639
Speaker 1: My BRAND if i trusted that he wasn't gonna need

1036
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,320
to be traded or wind up. Elsewhere ago the correct

1037
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,800
answer here Is read shepherd the stuff that. He Can

1038
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,519
so i'm gonna bring him up. After this but let's

1039
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:59,280
Focus On. Steph castle, the defense the strength of. It

1040
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:04,079
insane this is this he might be a five. Position

1041
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,800
defender at, this point we have seen Him. Defend biggs

1042
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:10,480
someone at. That size when you're not Built Like draymond,

1043
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:12,440
green aesthetically.

1044
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:14,119
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to be able to. Do that no

1045
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:15,639
one told him he's a.

1046
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,079
Speaker 1: DEFENSIVE monster i think the ball handling and the live

1047
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:21,840
dribble reads have by and large, gotten better and the

1048
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,960
things that everyone's gonna, point to and as they, rightfully

1049
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,719
should the jump shooting is gonna be a. Swing skill

1050
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:31,719
we have seen him for pockets of time make they

1051
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,119
are a lot of them are ultra, wide open but you,

1052
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:36,239
know what that's what he needs. To do those are

1053
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,920
the shots that he needs, to hit And Post all,

1054
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,599
star break he's been, hitting them and his volume has

1055
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,800
been not huge three and a half attempts per Game Post,

1056
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,480
all star but forty percent. From three if you're if

1057
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,840
he's gonna shoot forty percent on catch and shoot threes

1058
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,119
for like half the season, or something that opens up

1059
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:56,800
a different world for.

1060
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 4: Him offensively and THE.

1061
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: Reason i would have him Though Over amen thompson IS

1062
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,000
one i DO think. I trust if you're asking someone

1063
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:06,719
to just run your half, COURT offense i Do Trust

1064
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,079
amen thompson has more of that blazing on. BALL speed

1065
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,840
i like the variable cadence At Which steph castle can handle,

1066
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,199
the ball AND so i think that he could just

1067
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,639
navigate the half court BETTER where i don't Think That

1068
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:21,199
amen thompson has. Enough counters and now Part Of steph

1069
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,960
castle's counters are again this isn't an, astronomical number but

1070
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:28,320
forty two percent from mid range this year a nine

1071
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,480
percentage point improvement so far over last year where he

1072
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,199
was at thirty. Three percent and we're not just talking

1073
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,280
like a lot of that improvement has come from the,

1074
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,360
photo range but he has some counters on. That level

1075
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,119
and so if he can, do that if you can

1076
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,199
be an average mid, range shooter if you can be

1077
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,039
a league average, three point you don't need them firing

1078
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:50,599
up off. The dribble when you look at what he

1079
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:54,199
does when he gets downhill and all that he gives

1080
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,719
you on the, DEFENSIVE end i really probably if you

1081
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,239
would have even asked me a month ago and told

1082
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,239
me we were doing, this exercise who would. YOU pick

1083
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,440
i don't Know If steph castle would have been one

1084
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,679
of my, top three and in SOME ways I don't

1085
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,559
i still want To Pick reed shepherd.

1086
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: OVER him i just looking at.

1087
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,519
Speaker 1: The team the team context is tough, for ME and

1088
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:21,400
i Think That steph castle has shown a more offensive

1089
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,920
improvement than he's probably gotten credit for, this Year and

1090
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,320
i'm not really sure the three points that's been, Floating

1091
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,039
around and my counter to that, would be we can't

1092
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,079
just live on partial. Season Samples Otherwise jalen green would

1093
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:34,719
Be AN all, nba.

1094
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:35,559
Speaker 2: Player RIGHT.

1095
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,039
Speaker 3: So i mentioned before how the spursa is just locking

1096
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,159
it teams up in the. Fourth qureter he's a big

1097
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:46,400
part of that, as well and he's so good at

1098
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,239
also funneling Guys towards weimby on the, back line and

1099
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,239
that's such a Necessity In san, antonio's defense having guys

1100
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,960
to know how to funnel opponents the different. Specific, ways

1101
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,760
NOW the i, THINK is i want, to say almost

1102
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,760
like the biggest compliment in, a way is there are

1103
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,199
so many teams now that Are treating castle basically the

1104
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:15,800
same way they Are Treating. Kawhi leonard, they're starting they're. Starting,

1105
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,360
defensively yeah they're starting the offense away, from him like

1106
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,119
they don't want To Have steph castle close to. The

1107
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,800
ball like that's, a, compliment man. THAT'S huge i think

1108
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,800
that's a. GOOD name i.

1109
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: Love IT he's I would i.

1110
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,639
Speaker 1: Will say the Other thing i'd like for him to

1111
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,519
improve is he's gotta be better at his ability to draw.

1112
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:38,400
Shooting fouls by, the way has someone who is not

1113
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:42,239
treated as a jump. Shot threat that's, that's great he's

1114
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,760
got to be at.

1115
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: SOME point i really thought his finishing was gonna.

1116
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: Pop more he's been probably average through his first, two

1117
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:50,559
years and this just feels like when you look at

1118
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,280
his size and his on, BALL physicality i thought he

1119
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,119
might be someone we're talking about In the oh he's

1120
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,880
shooting sixty eight percent at, the basket not like.

1121
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 4: Low sixties but.

1122
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: Have, you, noticed though when he does have, this step

1123
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:10,639
he will just surprise dunk on you like that's that's interesting.

1124
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,000
To me like he will take off further from. The

1125
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:16,960
basket i'll be expecting him to like make, a layup

1126
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,119
and he'll just continue rising up there and all of,

1127
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,639
a sudden he's like two handing that shit down in.

1128
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:27,519
SOMEONE'S throat i think he's still trying to sort of

1129
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:31,000
test himself out in. That regard like WHERE am i

1130
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,960
as an Athlete when i'm jumping up against?

1131
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: The, TREES.

1132
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean having a guard who's, also like if

1133
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:40,639
you want him to finish the other end of an,

1134
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:42,679
Alley oop he's probably only seen it once or twice.

1135
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:44,440
This season i'm not saying it's a, huge staple, but

1136
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,159
yeah that's the he. Can score even for someone who's,

1137
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,639
an imperfect imperfect, offensive player he can score in a

1138
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,559
lot of, different ways and as part Of Why san

1139
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:57,519
antonio right now is built to win games in more

1140
00:55:57,559 --> 00:55:59,199
ways than they probably get. CREDIT for i think a

1141
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,960
lot of people just, to, whom oh it's their Defense

1142
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:03,920
or wemby, goes off and, it's no there's a lot

1143
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,320
of offensive, dynamism there and.

1144
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 4: It's not just it's Not, just wemby it's Not Just.

1145
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: Daron fox ALTHOUGH what i do Think Helps steph Castle

1146
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,719
Is daron fox's willingness and ability to play off the

1147
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,559
ball this season has given him time and space to

1148
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:22,599
explore a lot of his playmaking and Downhill, chops offensively, He,

1149
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,480
IS honestly i think if you looked at my list,

1150
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,760
so far there's probably people would say there's two big

1151
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,440
Swings with castle And. BAN caaro I think castle feels

1152
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,079
like my, biggest swing but his softomare campaign has.

1153
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: BEEN incredible, i, mean look my swing With kil waere

1154
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,800
is gonna take, the headlines so don't worry.

1155
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,039
Speaker 2: About.

1156
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:44,079
Speaker 4: It now I'm. In thompson do you think he should?

1157
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,679
Speaker 3: Be? HERE yeah, i, MEAN look I so i was

1158
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,280
actually Sticking In san ANTONIO because I Had, Dylan Harper

1159
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,159
but I'm. IN thompson i think it's a. Good SHOUT

1160
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,880
like i do think overall he might have the Nut

1161
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:04,599
On steph castle, right NOW but i don't know if

1162
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,760
it's it's gonna. Stay true that three point shot is just.

1163
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,800
So concerning but like he does literally everything else, so

1164
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,039
well like the feel for, the game, the defense, the rebounding,

1165
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:20,199
the playmaking just the finishing at. The basket like he's

1166
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,599
just he's. So overpowering And, WITH thompson i, feel like

1167
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,840
Is he you asked Me If steph castle could defend,

1168
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,920
five Players can thompson just play four positions on both

1169
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,800
sides of, The, floor like can he be a fourth

1170
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:37,719
position player?

1171
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,599
Speaker 2: On OFFENSE because i think he can.

1172
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: His offensively his ability to just navigate, tight spaces, excuse

1173
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:46,199
me away from.

1174
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:47,679
Speaker 4: The ball why can't he?

1175
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,199
Speaker 1: JUST play I guess i don't KNOW if i trust

1176
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,519
him as like the floor general you need to surround

1177
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:55,159
him with at least three ridiculously level shooters for we

1178
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,480
want to even try that. Full time, but Yeah he's

1179
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,440
i've struggled. With Him was he was on, my list

1180
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,159
As Was. Dylan hardy he's on my like. Longer list

1181
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:06,360
we only WENT three. Dp each so far we're going

1182
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,559
through other names that belong To. Thought wive, oh, right

1183
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:10,239
well then he was on.

1184
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 4: My list. He wasn't he wasn't one of.

1185
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: My FIVE though I don't i haven't seen a big

1186
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:18,400
thing because when you're THINKING, all nba you're talking top

1187
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,559
fifteen player in any. Given season if you don't have

1188
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:24,119
any sort of range outside what six feet of the

1189
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:27,320
basket really that you can beg, on that what is

1190
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,000
your ceiling as. A player and by, the way it's

1191
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:33,840
not even just, the efficiency it's what is your volume

1192
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,519
away from. That area this isn't like someone who's even

1193
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,400
going he's not even really experimenting with threes when you

1194
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,480
look at. His volume the Fact That, steph castle just

1195
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,840
to use, that example they are, different players but the

1196
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,199
fact that he's at least they have some of the.

1197
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:51,360
Same weaknesses the fact that he's taking over three three pointers.

1198
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,639
A game that's that helps in Ways That ama thompson

1199
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:55,320
Isn't for houston?

1200
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: Right.

1201
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,719
Speaker 3: Now yeap by, THE way I just i don't want

1202
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,800
to make sure that you know This because i'm going

1203
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,760
to read you what you. Sent me what if we

1204
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,199
tweaking a bit to each, PICKING five i was cutting

1205
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,800
us down real time because we. WENT long i know it.

1206
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,000
WAS five i was cutting us Down IN really I

1207
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,199
wanted i wanted credit for getting five.

1208
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: Guys in you.

1209
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 4: Wanted credit for doing the work that you were supposed.

1210
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,039
Speaker 3: To. Do congratulations look that's how we live in the world,

1211
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:23,119
right now right like we need credit for doing the.

1212
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:23,519
Speaker 2: Basic.

1213
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:28,079
Speaker 1: Minimum yeah do You Think ama thompson Makes AN all

1214
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:29,039
nba team for?

1215
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: His career do you think he'll?

1216
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:30,159
Speaker 3: Make?

1217
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:33,159
Speaker 2: One one? JUST want.

1218
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: I think i think one. At, least man that's way. Too,

1219
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,519
SPECIFIC yes i do Think he'll he'll. EARN one i

1220
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:41,079
also just.

1221
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 4: Found over under at one and.

1222
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: A half what are you? Taking So.

1223
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 3: BECAUSE all nba is also tied, To winning That's where, i'm, Like,

1224
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:57,760
Like howell houston fairris a, winning Organization like katie is

1225
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,480
going to, H out like how is that? Going?

1226
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: To look who is that? Next?

1227
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: Lineup like do they have. Enough youth do they Keep?

1228
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,880
Reach shepherd it's basically what. You're asking because they Have reached,

1229
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,519
shepherd around they'll be winning. A guy i guess a,

1230
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:12,119
Screw it.

1231
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be. An optimist i'm gonna say over just

1232
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:14,760
the hell.

1233
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: OF it, i mean he's he's the athleticism, is nuclear

1234
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,000
and there is a dexterity to him. As well and

1235
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:26,039
the defense is just how many? All defenses like you

1236
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:29,199
can even imagine if you think he's going to be

1237
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,400
a wildly flawed offensive, player forever there could be a

1238
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,599
perfect form of circumstances, where oh he's one of the

1239
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:38,800
five best defenders plus a net positive on the. Offensive

1240
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,559
end that'll get you to maybe TO, all nba especially

1241
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:43,559
with if the game's played threshold.

1242
01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:46,639
Speaker 4: For a lot of guys sticks in place all.

1243
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,079
Speaker 3: Defensive discussion he'll he'll. Make more he's already made one,

1244
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,199
Last year like he'll he'll find himself on that list

1245
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:54,559
for like.

1246
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:56,519
Speaker 1: He's probably GONNA make i don't KNOW if i would

1247
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:58,360
have him on my, first team but he'll probably make

1248
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,519
another one, this year right?

1249
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 3: Do?

1250
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 4: IT so, I, think so who's another player you want to?

1251
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:02,599
Speaker 2: Talk?

1252
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:06,679
Speaker 3: ABOUT so i think we should just mention him briefly

1253
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:10,920
that was Still. In harper, YOU know i think he's

1254
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,760
got that upside right now he's. A rookie HE'S just

1255
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,599
i think he's going to be the primary league guard

1256
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,679
on that Team when fox is eventually traded or. Getting

1257
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:25,599
older and, to me, the physicality the way to, draw

1258
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:29,719
fouls and, the playmaking the. SNEAKY athleticism i just love

1259
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,000
his feel for. The game and if he gets like

1260
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:35,800
a full season of thirty four forty five minutes Next,

1261
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,880
to weenby this dude is. Averaging nine it's this per

1262
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,000
game like he's his playmaking chops are. Believe in, so

1263
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:44,039
like let's let's because if we're short, on time let's

1264
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,079
just wrap that one up there and let me just

1265
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,800
give my final shout to THE guy i had, As, Well,

1266
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,639
DENIATIA like i, you know how could We not like

1267
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:55,519
that's a cop out one because he's going to Make

1268
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:58,000
a camba. This year JUST but i would think maybe

1269
01:01:58,039 --> 01:01:59,960
not if team success is going to factor.

1270
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 4: Heavily in the voting.

1271
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:03,079
Speaker 1: On EQUATION so i retract that statement and apologize he

1272
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,960
belongs ON, all, NBA right i just it's not A

1273
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,880
qu i THINK he's, I mean max he just lost

1274
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,559
his is gonna lose, his, Eligibility right so how Does

1275
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:13,760
That danny audia not Make AN all nba team at This, y.

1276
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, all right BUT like i just wanted

1277
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,400
to say it out loud in case he doesn't, make

1278
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,239
it like twenty four.

1279
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: Seven, And, seven, like yeah his shooting percent just have.

1280
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:23,559
Dropped off.

1281
01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:26,599
Speaker 3: That's, unfortunate also his stats took a hit with the

1282
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:30,559
one minute Game against phoenix right like where he. Left

1283
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,559
that that was again. Very unfortunate but just the way

1284
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:39,320
that he plays in the half chord and, facilitates teammates

1285
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,159
facilitates his, own shot like, THE driple i just think he'll.

1286
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:47,599
MAKE one i can't sit here and say that his

1287
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,559
production isn't good enough to.

1288
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: Justify, IT no I mean portland has an offense THAT'S

1289
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,800
in i think it was the LAST time, i CHECKED

1290
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:56,400
when i was looking at a couple of. Days ago

1291
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,679
is in seventy seven percentile when he's on, the floor

1292
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:03,480
the personnel that is, Around, him like for him to

1293
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,480
be able to do that, is Big and i've seen

1294
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,599
there's been a lot of criticism. About it feels like

1295
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:11,360
his defense has. Dropped off give HIM and i, guess

1296
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,480
now with The way scoot scoots back and The way scoot's,

1297
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,199
been playing you have someone who can split the. Offensive

1298
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:18,800
load but the other, thing too is that back injury stuff.

1299
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,480
Was real it felt LIKE and i THINK he, I

1300
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:25,840
wonder i wonder IF all nba wasn't part of, The,

1301
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,039
equation like would he have just missed? More time is

1302
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,280
that something that he might he might have missed a

1303
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,480
few more games, FOR so i don't he's sure as

1304
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:38,960
a the engine of. Your offense there's definitely like. Flaws

1305
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,119
there but he he's gonna hit sixty?

1306
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: Five?

1307
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 4: Games right what is? He at the LAST time, i

1308
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:44,960
checked he's.

1309
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:50,079
Speaker 1: Currently, AT so, i mean could be a. Little tight

1310
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:51,519
so He's missed he's going to.

1311
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:51,639
Speaker 2: Be.

1312
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: Tight yeah by, The way i'm very proud. Of you

1313
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:58,599
we're Talking about portland and Notes mony. Kamara reference yet

1314
01:03:58,840 --> 01:03:59,519
that is that, is?

1315
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:03,239
Speaker 1: Growth, sir honestly the more concerning, thing, is no do

1316
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:05,840
you know who the blazer is on? My list it

1317
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,480
probably Should be Shade, and sharp But It's donovan klingon

1318
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:11,719
is on. My list he's Not necessarily i'm not, picking

1319
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,599
him but just what he can do defensively in some

1320
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:15,760
of the offensive progression that.

1321
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 4: He's made it just keeping an eye. On it it Does.

1322
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: Feel biggs unless he really starts taking a bunch. Of

1323
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,960
threes it Feels like biggs in his role will have

1324
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:29,000
a tougher path to making these teams given that their.

1325
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,480
Position LIST but i, HAVE him i have. Him circled

1326
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:33,079
he Was the blazer that was on. MY list I

1327
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,519
thought I thought danny was. Cat knit but to, be

1328
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:39,320
fair when you miss, fourteen games there's no guarantee that

1329
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,840
he's gonna be. Eligible anyway so that's a good CALL

1330
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,840
out i will. Go to so the other TWO players

1331
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,159
i had. Settled on rejepper's getting talked.

1332
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 4: About here this.

1333
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: Is someone who is already an above average efficiency guy

1334
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,480
when he is generating his. Own shot it doesn't feel,

1335
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,679
like it but he's shooting thirty nine percent from three.

1336
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:01,719
THIS year i wanted know what he's gonna look like as.

1337
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:04,639
A passer he's actually pretty good at setting guys up

1338
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,400
around the basket when he gets two feet into, the

1339
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,000
paint or even being able to hit guys for and

1340
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,639
creating open threes because.

1341
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,159
Speaker 4: Of the odd ball gravity.

1342
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:15,639
Speaker 1: ALREADY has i won't know if another team would be

1343
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:17,719
more inventive with the way they use him away from,

1344
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,559
the ball or is he ever gonna get enough Agency

1345
01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:23,960
over houston's offense other than being the vessel through which

1346
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:26,800
He Gets kevin durant the ball in crunch time or

1347
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,320
just sort of passes the. Rock on THAT'S what i struggled, with,

1348
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,320
when oh if we were gonna limit this to an

1349
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,320
exercise of three, players each does he make? That cut in, my,

1350
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,559
heart yes, he should because what's the tough what's one

1351
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:41,320
of the toughest things to do is to be an

1352
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,599
efficient self starter on the, offensive end and he is to.

1353
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,519
Some degree he can already be. That defensively there are

1354
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:52,880
times where he he looks, really slight like for someone

1355
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,159
who's listed at six to like when THE way i

1356
01:05:55,199 --> 01:05:57,679
guess like players are just going up against some of

1357
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,000
these lineups where they're so, much bigger he looks really

1358
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,199
tiny and easy to overpower on the. Defensive end but.

1359
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,320
He is he's kind of smart away from, the ball

1360
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,280
and he's gonna sneaky, shot blocker yeah. For sure but

1361
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,440
he's gonna and he's gonna come in from the sides

1362
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:14,360
out of, their peripherals and he's gonna strip, the ball

1363
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,920
or he's gonna come into the. Passing lanes there's valid

1364
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,639
like just being if you're not gonna, be big and

1365
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:21,960
he could stand to, get stronger don't get, me wrong

1366
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,599
but if you're not gonna be big or someone who

1367
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:27,000
turns off, the water defensive playmaking is a way to

1368
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:28,559
make up for some of the if you view him

1369
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:32,239
as a. Liability status but if your infrastructure is we're,

1370
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,239
fucking huge which Is what. Houston, IS yeah i think

1371
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:36,639
he could.

1372
01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:37,079
Speaker 4: HAVE stand.

1373
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:39,679
Speaker 1: I don't i can't quibble about his playing time much,

1374
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,679
right now but their lack of trust in him to

1375
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,760
not just play at points in, crunch time but more

1376
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,400
so to do anything with.

1377
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 2: The BALL and i know You Have.

1378
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: KEVIN durant i totally, get IT but I Wish reed

1379
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,559
jeppard had had just like he's had more. He's had

1380
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:58,960
i'll frame it. This way he's had more license this

1381
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,119
YEAR than i kind of expect, coming in and part

1382
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,360
of that might have been if you're evaluating the rockets

1383
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,440
Before the Fred van. Vliet injury but he still doesn't.

1384
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,719
Have enough and so as an offensive a GUY that

1385
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,400
i believe can be an offensive engine that's gonna get

1386
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,920
at least the defensive counting stats or be, let's say

1387
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,480
a good off, ball defender or at least in the

1388
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:19,239
areas where if it's, gonna come you're blocking shots or

1389
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,440
like coming up. With steels that's SOMEONE who i think

1390
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,840
could make a FEW all. Nba teams.

1391
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: MM HMM i I think i need to be a

1392
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:35,320
little bit more imaginative to. See IT but i, respect

1393
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,880
IT and i think the way you fleshed it out,

1394
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:41,119
Was fair so out of respect, For you i'm just,

1395
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:42,559
GONNA say i hope.

1396
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:42,719
Speaker 2: It.

1397
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: HAPPENS uh i didn't know what to do here with

1398
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:50,159
my what is gonna be my? FINAL pick I guess

1399
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,519
i was BANNING about i didn't want to pick too.

1400
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:55,400
Many rookies i'm still a Believer In ace Bailey vj

1401
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:57,519
edgecomb has obviously had a great year for much of.

1402
01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:00,519
THE season i think I'd Be galaxy brandon THIS if i.

1403
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,360
Picked HIM but i really did think long and Hard About.

1404
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:08,840
CASON wallace i ultimately THINK that i am going to

1405
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:10,079
Go With.

1406
01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 4: Alex sary i'm a big.

1407
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:19,119
Speaker 1: BOER alexar i think he's gonna be a more, efficient

1408
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:22,640
scorer and we've seen him. Handle, physicality physicality excuse me

1409
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,199
a little bit better inside the arc. This YEAR when i,

1410
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:26,680
SAY efficient i think that he's going to be like

1411
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,439
a thirty seven percent three point shooter at. SOME point

1412
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,279
i love the way he looks when he's bringing the

1413
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:33,880
ball up the floor as someone who can do that

1414
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,720
as a nice change of pace and really push the

1415
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,560
tempo of, your offense but also just keep defenses on.

1416
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,600
Tilt defensively this is terrible to record this after he

1417
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,439
was on the floor for a huge chunk of Time

1418
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,000
when bam dropped eighty. Three points at the, same time

1419
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,920
he wasn't part of the foul brigade that like in,

1420
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,760
that game and he he needs to get stronger because

1421
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,399
of Someone, like bam who's not the most physical player IN.

1422
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,199
Speaker 4: The nba is gonna, overpower.

1423
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,520
Speaker 1: You like really like and see if your body's at a,

1424
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,880
certain angle he's gonna attack you coming from. The baseline,

1425
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,079
somewhat problematic but this is someone who he's contested a

1426
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:10,960
bunch of shots around.

1427
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 4: The rim he's responsible for way too Much.

1428
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: In washington at, THE moment i think he can play

1429
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,680
alongside Another big that's why if and when We See

1430
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,680
anthony davis make, His debut i'm gonna be very intrigued

1431
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,439
to see what those two look. Like TOGETHER but i

1432
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,920
think even as a baseline just, rim protector this is

1433
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,960
someone who's going to be decided the above average on

1434
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,600
the defensive end for years. To come and so if

1435
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,159
you give, ME no i don't think he should be

1436
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:37,119
the number one option. On offense but if he can

1437
01:09:37,159 --> 01:09:41,039
play what type of role? Different players what would be a?

1438
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:44,680
Good like could he feels like he could Be a

1439
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,000
christops porzingis approximation on the, offensive end where, it's no

1440
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:50,920
you don't want to run too much through him if

1441
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,079
you're gonna put him in, the Post And chris stops

1442
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:56,239
might just because of his sheer size always be more

1443
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,920
efficient in. Those instances but when looking at the usage

1444
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,680
and where he could stand in, OFFENSIVE hierarchy i could

1445
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,840
See alex ar. Getting there it does feel though that

1446
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,520
this is the highest. Percentile Outcome, is oh He's MADE

1447
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,359
like I think i'm past the idea of could he

1448
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,119
be a top five or ten guy IN? The nba

1449
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,479
but could he end up with three or four thirt

1450
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,960
TEAM all? NBA appearances i think that's still on.

1451
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:19,079
Speaker 2: The.

1452
01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:22,239
Speaker 3: Table yeah by, the way he only played twenty minutes

1453
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,840
in that. Band game and in those, twenty minutes the

1454
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,520
dude had twenty eight. And six, just yeah but how

1455
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:27,880
many free?

1456
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:28,039
Speaker 1: Throw?

1457
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: Attempts?

1458
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:29,279
Speaker 3: Right?

1459
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:31,119
Speaker 2: Only?

1460
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: Oh?

1461
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,359
Speaker 2: Zero yeah, all right. That's.

1462
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 3: True yeah by, the way none of us actually brought

1463
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,359
up ONE who i considered, as WELL which i thought

1464
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:41,960
was a. Little surprising are we completely out On matsas

1465
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,680
posilis as AN all?

1466
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 4: Nba, PLAYER well.

1467
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: I assuming He Can't. Suntle chicago i'm presuming because you

1468
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,199
have to be on a. Winning team but just as an,

1469
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:54,319
INDIVIDUAL player i THINK there's i think there's.

1470
01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:57,359
Speaker 2: Something there i'm not out on.

1471
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,239
Speaker 1: MODEST buzzelis i THINK it's i had he was not

1472
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:00,960
on even my.

1473
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:02,279
Speaker 4: Long list i'm not, gonna okay.

1474
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: That's, fair yeah he was on like a cut off

1475
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,560
ONLINE because i think, the productivity the off, ball shooting

1476
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,199
like the. DEFENSIVE upside i just think there's a two

1477
01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:15,520
way potential there that is.

1478
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,159
Speaker 2: Extremely intriguing where if.

1479
01:11:19,119 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't, mind amassing where are you At with alex,

1480
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,800
Shar though oh sorry to.

1481
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,119
Speaker 3: Wrap, Up sorry i'm a. FULL agree i should LOVED

1482
01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:30,079
your kp comparison or, not comparison but like the role

1483
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:34,319
in vision sorry, to me still HAS upside i don't,

1484
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:38,039
think he's like, you said, top five, top ten may

1485
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:40,640
not ever crack the. Top twenty but that's not necessarily

1486
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,039
a bad thing IN, today's nba because the top twenty is.

1487
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:46,319
Freaking loaded like if you're a top, twenty five top to,

1488
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:50,079
forty player you're getting thirty million.

1489
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 2: A year you're playing in all.

1490
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,319
Speaker 3: Starry games you're here and there at least you're in

1491
01:11:55,359 --> 01:12:00,800
the conversation for certain. Team awards the TWO wayside i think.

1492
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,079
IS real i think he needs to move the. BALL

1493
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:06,279
more i love the three point confidence that he's had.

1494
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:09,520
This year he's like stepping into them with a much.

1495
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,760
Different mindset he's finally commanding the. Ball Too so I've

1496
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,479
been i've been moaning about this since his rookie Season

1497
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,800
that washington guards were so bad at giving him the

1498
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,359
ball in certain situations where he would be right underneath,

1499
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,199
the basket or they ignored lobs or and this year

1500
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:31,359
he's like a little bit more at least like, calling

1501
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:34,520
forward say, up top like, over Here like, I'm open

1502
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,880
like he's just he's calling. For more he's demanding. It

1503
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,560
more when you see that they've gone into these, offensive

1504
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,960
lulls like he will go to a teammate, and, say

1505
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,439
look give me. The BALL so i THINK there's i

1506
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,640
think there's a. UPSIDE there i love the mental makeup.

1507
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,800
FROM him i think he's more polished in the year

1508
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,119
TWO than i thought he'd be because the year one was.

1509
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 2: It. Was rough it was it was. Really rough but if.

1510
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,399
Speaker 3: This is, The norm i'm having a really hard time

1511
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:05,279
putting a ceiling on.

1512
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: This, dude yeah and he's SOMEONE who i don't know

1513
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,159
how it's gonna work. Out, overall again we disagreed on

1514
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:13,399
whether you would have made. The swing he's one of

1515
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,319
those quintessential players where, all right we'll put an adult

1516
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,319
at the point, guard position Like A, trey young like

1517
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:23,199
a real, floor general and then how does that impact,

1518
01:13:23,239 --> 01:13:25,479
his game like his efficiency in the way that he's

1519
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,439
able to score there and how he's getting.

1520
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:29,079
Speaker 2: THE ball i.

1521
01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:31,279
Speaker 1: Don't Know If trey young is necessarily the per like

1522
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,800
he's definitely a guy who can extract the most out

1523
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,039
of A big but if we're TALKING all, nba ceiling

1524
01:13:37,319 --> 01:13:39,640
we also want alex ar to have plenty of those

1525
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,600
on ball touches or the, you know grab and.

1526
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,159
Speaker 4: Go Agency Does trey young takeaway from that?

1527
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,039
Speaker 1: AT all i probably feel better About the Alex SAR

1528
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:49,119
all nba pick Than.

1529
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:51,079
Speaker 4: The RECHEPHERD all. Nba pick IF that's.

1530
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:53,039
Speaker 2: I think, You, SHOULD yes i think.

1531
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 4: You Should any so anybody else like that you think deserves?

1532
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:59,920
A mention, he.

1533
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 3: PROBABLY but i hadn't thought, about IT like. I think

1534
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,960
i think we've gone through the players, so far which

1535
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,520
will undoubtedly mean that we'll get flooded with names from

1536
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,199
a lot of. Team fans and you, know what Fair, fair,

1537
01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:14,960
Yeah nuts the rookies.

1538
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: Are tough you have to FEEL like, i, Felt really

1539
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:18,319
flag is just it's.

1540
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:19,319
Speaker 2: The default let's just like.

1541
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: MOVING on i think you have to feel really strongly

1542
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,079
about You Mentioned. HARPER canipple i would need to feel

1543
01:14:26,119 --> 01:14:28,720
even more strong like to Go with Bailey. Or edgecomb

1544
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,600
maybe some people want to See A. Calmary boyles you,

1545
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,279
Mentioned Him, Derek queen what does his role look like

1546
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:36,720
in a? Few years something you really kind of have

1547
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,239
to fast forward further and feel strongly. About it i'm

1548
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,479
trying to think there's Like any i'm looking let me

1549
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,399
look at my list. Right, Here Yeah josh gidey was at,

1550
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:47,159
the top so that's gonna be a. ROUGH one i

1551
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,760
am curious if we're Gonna Get brandon miller was on?

1552
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,159
Speaker 4: My list did you consider this?

1553
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:56,399
Speaker 3: AT all i, did NOT because, i again we were

1554
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:59,439
Talking about canipple in, the MIDDLE and i thought the

1555
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,039
tree you would probably eat votes from each other a

1556
01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:07,760
fair bit if they. Stick together but it's also unfair

1557
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,279
to look at it through, that frame, because like What

1558
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:13,319
If brandon miller's traded one day and he'll have the

1559
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:13,720
team of?

1560
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: His own could he not reach? That? Level? Probably, good.

1561
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 1: Now THE thing i self imposed THIS and i should

1562
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,399
have mentioned at the top because. You Could technically LaMelo

1563
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,199
could have been an, option HERE but i limited myself

1564
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:28,079
to twenty three and.

1565
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 4: UNDER players i thought that would make it just a

1566
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:30,159
little bit.

1567
01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:33,359
Speaker 2: More go, Oh great so thank you. For that thank

1568
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:33,840
you for what you.

1569
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 4: Did too who did you pick Except For, denny AVDIA who, i, said.

1570
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,319
Speaker 3: Yeah that'd be, OH well I Mean jail johnson's also

1571
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:39,680
he's like.

1572
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: Twenty, four yeah, that's RIGHT he's, i forgot he's been

1573
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,039
around for BUT he's i think.

1574
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,239
Speaker 4: THAT'S fine i, just, did, like look would you Have?

1575
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:49,159
Speaker 2: Picked LaMelo, No, Me, NO no. I wouldn't.

1576
01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 4: I wouldn't i'm gonna tell you.

1577
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: Right NOW if i had expanded, My scope lamello would

1578
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,199
have been probably out of cocking nipple on.

1579
01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:59,239
Speaker 2: That list so, all right, fair enough, Fair enough who.

1580
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 4: Which of the hornets makes MORE all nba teams of?

1581
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,600
That Trio.

1582
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 2: Cod. Kin nibble.

1583
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 4: I'm, Gonna, go LaMelo That's just i'm.

1584
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,039
Speaker 2: Gonna go. That's fine that's a good way to wrap

1585
01:16:13,119 --> 01:16:15,319
up the pod. Being wrong. That's cool are you.

1586
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:17,520
Speaker 4: Able to tell our listeners where they can find you

1587
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:18,359
and all the work that?

1588
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 3: You, do yes you can find me AT the, nba

1589
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,600
podcast and you can find Me At yahoo SPORTS where.

1590
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,199
I write if You are danish or at Least, understand

1591
01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:31,039
danish you can listen to the Bus or beater or

1592
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:32,359
catch from calling GAMES On.

1593
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,159
Speaker 1: Hbo max until, Next time and, as always we wrote

1594
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,640
the shout out to, the one, the only, the indelible

1595
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,359
the Legendary Mister Frank nila quina