Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Hey guys. You know we are on episode
Speaker 1: forty seven, forty two Ding Dong forty seven minus five,
Speaker 1: forty seven minus five.
Speaker 2: Hey, you can do math. Yeah, we are in episode
Speaker 2: forty two, and we are going to continue our discussion
Speaker 2: of strange UFOs.
Speaker 1: Yes, so these episodes are strange.
Speaker 2: They are. This is basically we could call it more
Speaker 2: strange UFOs stranger, UFOs stranger UFOs.
Speaker 1: I like it nice, I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, last time we talked about Jane Doe and
Speaker 2: her strange encounter with an object in the Nevada, Utah
Speaker 2: area saw flats, right, and it was pretty cool. We
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about maybe some of our weird
Speaker 2: encounters with things that could be UFOs, but we didn't
Speaker 2: really talk about the big phenomena, right, phenomenon phenomena. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about that. So we need to do
Speaker 2: that now. So I heard you had a story.
Speaker 1: You do have a story.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you should just launch in and I.
Speaker 1: Just want to I'm gonna go full strange on you.
Speaker 2: Okay, go full strange because I know you You're gonna
Speaker 2: get tired and you're gonna start slurring your words and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be boring. So I want I want you
Speaker 2: to put your heart to at Austin.
Speaker 1: Deep in the backwoods of Hopkinsville, Kentucky. This nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 1: August twenty.
Speaker 2: First, this is good, alrighty Hill.
Speaker 1: Billy by the name of Billy ray Taylor is out
Speaker 1: by the well on his family property. The rest of
Speaker 1: the klan, maybe eleven in all sitting in the house
Speaker 1: far far away. Suddenly a blast of light, a whirling sound,
Speaker 1: and a mysterious object appears overhead. It makes its way
Speaker 1: across the entire property, over Billy ray Taylor's head and
Speaker 1: settles itself nice and easy down in a gully. It
Speaker 1: was almost dusk, but not quiet. It was still dark
Speaker 1: and hard to see. He runs back to his cabin
Speaker 1: where his family resides and says, Ma, Pa, everybody, come
Speaker 1: look at this ship. He explains, you can't continue this.
Speaker 2: I'm digging it, man. I'm thinking about all the sound
Speaker 2: effects in the background.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is really how it goes.
Speaker 1: This is kind of a really surface level view of what's.
Speaker 2: I just got to No, did you write this yourself?
Speaker 2: Did you like do the dramatic presentation of this these
Speaker 2: are my notes. Oh so you're making it up as
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 1: Well I'm I'm using my memory and my notes.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's good man. I like it. Yeah, okay, go.
Speaker 1: Go forgive me if some of my facts are wrong.
Speaker 1: Still makes for a good story.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So they make their way back.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, get back into characters too good.
Speaker 1: It's hard. We have a drink.
Speaker 2: I like it when you talk because I can just
Speaker 2: sit here and drink my beer and listen. Right, very entertaining.
Speaker 1: Bob and sees this shit. So Billy Ray Taylor and
Speaker 1: maybe like his cousin with some other burly backwoods dude
Speaker 1: head on out to the other side of the property
Speaker 1: with a couple of guns, a twenty two long rifle,
Speaker 1: maybe at twenty gage, maybe a twelve gage, you know,
Speaker 1: farm guns. Guns. So they head outside. Before they know it,
Speaker 1: they're encountered by three foot tall little monsters armored and
Speaker 1: with big old claws, big heads, and bigger ears. They
Speaker 1: starts getting in a conversation, some kind of back and
Speaker 1: forth articulation with these monsters. These monsters get too close,
Speaker 1: they give them a couple of warning shots. The monsters
Speaker 1: do all kinds of crazy flips trying to get away
Speaker 1: from these bullets. The monsters never get too close, but
Speaker 1: one does apparently grab Billy Ray Taylor's head or arm
Speaker 1: or hat while it's hanging off the awning of their
Speaker 1: little cabin where they reside. So they shoot at these monsters, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's getting a little bit later in the day,
Speaker 1: so they get out of the house, threatening it in
Speaker 1: full their lives because they cannot take these suckers down.
Speaker 1: They're getting a cough d on out of town, all
Speaker 1: of them. They go straight to the police, where the
Speaker 1: police is like na. The police come back to their house.
Speaker 1: Now it's not quite right outside. They do a little
Speaker 1: perimeter search nothing, but there are bullet holes in the
Speaker 1: screen door and evidence of a firefight. So the police
Speaker 1: leave and the aliens come back and they get into
Speaker 1: another kind of confrontational situation here. They head back into town.
Speaker 1: Photo teams coming, cops are coming. Everybody's coming back to
Speaker 1: look at this Hopkinsville encounter. That's all I got. This
Speaker 1: is a real thing, Hockins Hopkins. The Hopkinsville encounter is
Speaker 1: kind of what it's called.
Speaker 2: So you did a dramatic presentation of the Hopkins Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 1: A really bad presentation. I bet there's a lot of
Speaker 1: detail that I messed up or but the story is
Speaker 1: basically the same. Basically, these kind of a backwoods family
Speaker 1: in Kentucky in nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: They're nineteen fifty five Kentucky. Okay, that explains a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, frogs, they shooting little green men, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, so they're at their house and this guy,
Speaker 1: Billy Ray Taylor, which is a perfect.
Speaker 2: Backwoods guy named Yeah, that's a great name.
Speaker 1: Billy Ray Silas Taylor cyrus.
Speaker 2: Here he had a daughter that would swinging like.
Speaker 1: A redni mo. Yeah, no doubt a mom be swinging
Speaker 1: like a wrecking ball.
Speaker 2: That's for damn show naked on a wrecking ball.
Speaker 1: All right. Anyway, so they have this this guy sees
Speaker 1: this spaceship flower's head and apparently kind of lands in
Speaker 1: a goalie. And then and then long story.
Speaker 2: Was there any description of the of the UFO of
Speaker 2: the flame not.
Speaker 1: In my quick little overview and kind of brief summary
Speaker 1: I made. There might be, but I know it was
Speaker 1: pretty dark approaching morning, so they didn't have like a
Speaker 1: lot of time to observe because it was dark. And
Speaker 1: then by the time it's right outside. The camera crews
Speaker 1: and stuff come and everything's kind of jumbled. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: flies over his head and then he I think goes
Speaker 1: back and gets maybe his cousin or somebody, and they
Speaker 1: kind of go out to investigate this and they get
Speaker 1: in like a shootout with these little almost like they
Speaker 1: remind me of Grimlins. Yeah, like Magwai after eating after midnight.
Speaker 1: They're like doing flips and dodged and the bullets and
Speaker 1: like the bullets.
Speaker 2: But they didn't hit any of them. They just missed
Speaker 2: them all.
Speaker 1: Well, they think they hit them, and they'd like retreat
Speaker 1: and then they'd come back and they were wearing like
Speaker 1: shiny kind of chrome armor suits and they had claws
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Apparently, what was that movie with was it The Mummy
Speaker 2: or was it the Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull
Speaker 2: where there's the little creatures, the little green creatures or
Speaker 2: whatever that are chased them through. That was the Mummy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about we talked about Mummy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what reminded me of like Hobgoblin, Yeah, Hobgoblin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's a funny story and they're
Speaker 1: shooting at him there's actually bullet holes in the cabin
Speaker 1: like door and stuff where they were shooting. Apparently one
Speaker 1: that grabbed his hair or took his hat off, like
Speaker 1: leaned over the yawning and grabbed him, and then they
Speaker 1: took off, and then police came and made a report
Speaker 1: as far as I understand, said that there was something happened,
Speaker 1: but no spaceships were found. You know, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Another thing I thought of while you were talking about
Speaker 2: it is that you said that the guns that they
Speaker 2: had were farm guns.
Speaker 1: Is that what you said guns?
Speaker 2: Which is funny because you said that. It flashed me
Speaker 2: back because we had a twenty two long rifle. We
Speaker 2: had twenty grab him. I know you've got them right now.
Speaker 1: I've got a twenty gauge twelve gage and a couple twenty.
Speaker 2: Two of it. That's exactly what we had. That's crazy,
Speaker 2: that's funny. I thought that was funny. It made me chuckle.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I thought of, and I know
Speaker 2: you're gonna add a little more detail here, but those
Speaker 2: little green guys, those little creatures, that was a lot
Speaker 2: like what my sister dreamt or saw in the hallway
Speaker 2: that I talked about in the last episode that scared
Speaker 2: me so bad as a little kid that I'd go
Speaker 2: sneak up in the mom and dad's room and sleep
Speaker 2: on the dog pillow.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: She So, she called me and she was telling me
Speaker 2: about her dream and that I had basically everything correct,
Speaker 2: but she did have time loss. So she had that,
Speaker 2: and then she woke up and it was morning.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people would just call that
Speaker 1: a dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was more like sleep paralysis. She said
Speaker 2: that she could not move her eyeballs. Oh weird, they
Speaker 2: were frozen, and she couldn't look away. She couldn't blink
Speaker 2: as they can into the room. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Another thing I wanted to just throw out here before
Speaker 2: we dove into that, maybe a little bit more that experience.
Speaker 2: Is we are once again recording remotely.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, And.
Speaker 2: I hope our listeners can hear a little quality difference
Speaker 2: because we invested a little bit of time, a little
Speaker 2: bit of money. We have some better microphones and a
Speaker 2: little better internet connection hopefully. So I am once again
Speaker 2: down here at the site of my sister's abduction in
Speaker 2: Twin Falls, Idaho. And you are up in Meridian. No,
Speaker 2: you're in Nampa.
Speaker 1: I'm in my house. Yeah, in the ghetto, in the ghetto.
Speaker 2: That's a good song. Yes, oh yeah, it's good in
Speaker 2: the good hole. Yeah. So anyway, we're trying this again.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a much much better episode,
Speaker 2: at least as far as quality of sound go was
Speaker 2: maybe not quality of substance, but at least Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think my Hopkins villain counter was
Speaker 1: spot on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good. I have to admit that was
Speaker 2: really good. And I'm gonna spice it up big time
Speaker 2: sound effects like Rick she Bullock.
Speaker 1: I gonna do noises. But I figured you'd put it
Speaker 1: in there for me, so yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's cool.
Speaker 2: So anything else you wanted to say about that? What
Speaker 2: was against Hopkins Hopkinsville?
Speaker 1: And I guess it's close to Kelly, Kentucky or maybe
Speaker 1: that Kelly County. I don't know, because it's Kelly. It
Speaker 1: says like Kelly Kentucky Hopkinsville throughout the articles that I read.
Speaker 2: So how did you hear about it?
Speaker 1: I don't know where I heard about it first? The
Speaker 1: podcast I listened to whiles at work just to kind
Speaker 1: of touch up on this ridiculous story was astonishing legends.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: Like this is a little similar to our podcast, just
Speaker 1: two dudes talking. I think they're a little more refined
Speaker 1: than we are. But I have really not at Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: but I think the one guy Forrest, I don't remember
Speaker 1: the names for I think the one guy, I think
Speaker 1: he's from southern Idaho. He drops little hints and says
Speaker 1: things that I'm like, Ah, dude, you probably Southern IHO.
Speaker 2: No wonder. It's a good podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's coming out of the land of Taters, Bud,
Speaker 1: the land of taters and milk and honey. Tater's milk
Speaker 1: and honey. Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of honeys here in Idaho.
Speaker 1: No, have you ever heard that song by afro Man? No,
Speaker 1: it's called Idaho No Potatoes are the only thing? Do
Speaker 1: you grow?
Speaker 2: No? I haven't heard that.
Speaker 1: You should? You should listen to it.
Speaker 2: That is a terrible song.
Speaker 1: Why would you.
Speaker 2: Listen to that? Hey, we're using a real time streaming
Speaker 2: utility called stream yard, and we can see each other.
Speaker 2: Do you see what I got on right now?
Speaker 1: That super sweet hat?
Speaker 2: Yeah? A strange thing.
Speaker 1: Did you get that?
Speaker 2: That got it for a Christmas present for some.
Speaker 1: Do Yeah, that's for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it. I love this hat.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 2: It fits comfortable on my big melon.
Speaker 1: I like those hat. I've been wearing mine backwards because
Speaker 1: my front of my head gets hot well, and I
Speaker 1: like to look like a cool kid.
Speaker 2: So you're advertising to anybody that's following you.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody who's near me is looking at my
Speaker 1: butt anyway, so yeah, yeah, yeah, just look up and
Speaker 1: there it is a better advertisement.
Speaker 2: Boom. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, you got any UFL stories to do? Well? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah. So I did a little research. I
Speaker 2: wanted to have something that was kind of unique. One
Speaker 2: thing I want to say, so the whole top of
Speaker 2: UFOs it's kind of weird, it's strange. It fits categorically
Speaker 2: really well into our podcast in our name.
Speaker 1: Because they're strange thing.
Speaker 2: What the heck are these things? I mean, they've been
Speaker 2: around for a long time, but really they kind of
Speaker 2: caught on like in the fifties and sixties, even like
Speaker 2: in Roswell, you know, maybe in the forties, but before that,
Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of this kind of stuff recorded. Now,
Speaker 2: there were some things in like the late eighteen hundreds
Speaker 2: where people were, you know, saying that they saw offline
Speaker 2: saucers and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Some kind of floating in the Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's really kind of a something that's
Speaker 2: really grown in popularity over the last probably fifty years,
Speaker 2: more than it ever has.
Speaker 1: What do they call that, the UFO ufology No no, no,
Speaker 1: like a boom they called like.
Speaker 2: A sonic ufo boom.
Speaker 1: No no, no no, but like it becomes really popular.
Speaker 1: There's a name that they use for that, like spike
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't know if you think about it, just
Speaker 2: shout it out. But what occurs to me is, I
Speaker 2: mean we have things that are inscribed on ancient stellas
Speaker 2: or in hieroglyphics or pets pick to peckers. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: are inscriptions on there and in ancient art that kind
Speaker 2: of maybe people could say looks like flying machines or
Speaker 2: some kind of chariots of the gods that land. So
Speaker 2: it's not something that was foreign to people of ancient times.
Speaker 2: But now because of movies and the things we see
Speaker 2: and the ready access to like YouTube and video channels.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows what UFOs are, and I think they've also
Speaker 2: kind of created their own reality. It's like everybody expects
Speaker 2: for them to be real, and in a way, I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody would be extremely surprised if a UFO
Speaker 2: showed up because we were prepared for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know about prepared, but we've It's it's definitely
Speaker 1: on like our collective mind, you know, as a society
Speaker 1: or whatever. There's so many movies and so many things,
Speaker 1: and like you got Joe Rogan, like, there's no way
Speaker 1: we could be the only people in the universe. And right,
Speaker 1: you know other you know, podcasters and TV people and
Speaker 1: scientists saying that the probability of other life being on
Speaker 1: other planets is eighty seven point nine to eight percent
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't think that's a real fact, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like the common knowledges that we're
Speaker 1: not the only people in the universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the media frenzy around it is that these
Speaker 2: things exist. Now what they are that's a different question.
Speaker 2: So you know, we got to kind of ask ourselves
Speaker 2: as we kind of delve into this stuff, what are
Speaker 2: these things? I mean, what are the possibilities that these
Speaker 2: things are. Okay, name it for you, Austin. What what
Speaker 2: do you think UFOs are?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What are the possibilities?
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing I think UFO is is just
Speaker 1: an object that's flying and you can't identify it. So
Speaker 1: that's what I know UFO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times it's some kind of
Speaker 1: misinterpretation of something that you're seeing. You hear, like, give
Speaker 1: me for it's what yea? So like people driving through Nevada,
Speaker 1: they've heard the area fifty one stories, they've heard all
Speaker 1: these alien stories, ghost stories, all this. You know, there
Speaker 1: their brains in this space of like aliens and jumpy Nevada,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you get it, the desert. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a crop tuster flies by them, and then it flies
Speaker 1: by them again. Crop tusters don't move really fast, and
Speaker 1: they're kind of weird looking, and they kind of follow
Speaker 1: roads sometimes because that's where they.
Speaker 2: Could be lit weirdly by the sun or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yet, oh yeah, even just at night, you know. And
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, there's this UFO encounter. But
Speaker 1: really it's this sixty five year old farmer who's just
Speaker 1: crop dustin late at night, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so you're saying that one of the one
Speaker 2: of the things that these could be are normal everyday
Speaker 2: flying objects that are for whatever reason misinterpreted and reported
Speaker 2: as unidentified flying objects because they aren't recognized for what
Speaker 2: they truly are, so natural objects.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think, yeah, I think there's things that come
Speaker 1: into play. Like like I said, I give the three things.
Speaker 1: So location they're in Nevada or when you're up in
Speaker 1: the mountains or whatever, someplace isolated or kind of has
Speaker 1: a aura of mystery around it. Yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: then you're thinking about that stuff in you're subconscious, and
Speaker 1: then you see something all of a sudden that's that
Speaker 1: you can't identify and you don't have enough time to
Speaker 1: identify it, so.
Speaker 2: Your mind does the rest. You're looking for.
Speaker 1: UFOs A bang behind me, weird, I got.
Speaker 2: Like a monster. Well, okay, so naturally occurring kind of
Speaker 2: a misinterpreted or misidentified, regular day, everyday object or thing. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so that's what. What's another one?
Speaker 1: I think it's actually stuff that can't be identified because
Speaker 1: we don't know what it is, but our government knows
Speaker 1: what it is, or somebody's government knows what it is,
Speaker 1: and the majority of the population is just oblivious as
Speaker 1: to what technology is out there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so like a secret some kind of secret government.
Speaker 1: Or even you could even take that too. It's something
Speaker 1: and you just don't recognize it, and it's weird looking.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's the government doing weapons testing or testing
Speaker 1: a new airplane. Okay, maybe it's the guy down the
Speaker 1: street built a millennium Falcon drone and he has led
Speaker 1: lights all around it and he's buzzing it around your
Speaker 1: house and it looks like it's really far away. It's
Speaker 1: actually unidentified. It's not something. Oh that's a aten warhog
Speaker 1: just buzzing a Boise Idaho for the third time today.
Speaker 2: So what I'm kind of trying to do is strip off,
Speaker 2: you know, the possibilities and boil it down to what
Speaker 2: are the possible things. And I think you put your
Speaker 2: finger on two of them. One is that it's a misidentified,
Speaker 2: regular everyday kind of a flying object, whether that's an
Speaker 2: airplane or a weather balloon or something like that. Second
Speaker 2: is that it's some secret kind of technology that maybe
Speaker 2: the government is testing. But it's still kind of like
Speaker 2: category one in that it's it's a natural phenomena that
Speaker 2: has an explanation that maybe is covered up, but it's
Speaker 2: something that's real and tangible and has a logical kind
Speaker 2: of explanation.
Speaker 1: There's no extraterrestrial explanation.
Speaker 2: Right, So then that would be the third one, right,
Speaker 2: the extra terrestrial, which would be something that is not
Speaker 2: from our realm and that is manifesting in our atmosphere
Speaker 2: or whatever. Right now, that wouldn't be the possibility.
Speaker 1: That would be a third, but that wouldn't be my third.
Speaker 2: What would you what would your third be?
Speaker 1: My third would be it's people presenting information that isn't
Speaker 1: true to have some sort of itch scratched.
Speaker 2: You're saying a hoax, Yeah, a hoax.
Speaker 1: And we're not even I mean, I guess I don't
Speaker 1: know the definition of hoax that well, maybe, but not
Speaker 1: even like they're trying to fool people, but they just
Speaker 1: are trying to get attention and they'll do whatever it means. Right.
Speaker 1: That's why I think you get it a lot in
Speaker 1: like low income like trailer park type environments, because those
Speaker 1: people are desperate, They just want to be known for something,
Speaker 1: They want to have a steak in the world, and that.
Speaker 2: The fifteen fifteen Minutes of fame. Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 2: was a condescending. But okay, then a.
Speaker 1: Trailer we have, We've lived in a trailer and yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: we're down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we wanted to be special and we did.
Speaker 1: That's why we started a podcast.
Speaker 2: All right. Okay, So anyway, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: You're saying that people maybe it's not even for a hoax,
Speaker 2: but obviously they're making stuff up so.
Speaker 1: They can get attention for themselves.
Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, yeah, I think categorically that kind of
Speaker 2: fits with hoax because they're creating a hoax, whether or
Speaker 2: not the you know, they might have different reasons for it,
Speaker 2: but it's really they know it's not true and they're
Speaker 2: just making it up, right, Yeah. And then your fourth
Speaker 2: one then would that it is actually it's.
Speaker 1: An actual alien spaceship.
Speaker 2: Or interdimensional spaceship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: I like the whole inter dimensional spaceship thing better than like,
Speaker 2: you know, some outer space spaceship because nobody ever sees
Speaker 2: these things coming in from outer space. And if they're jumping,
Speaker 2: if they're teleporting through a portal, then that's transdimensional. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's like that scene in the Avengers where those big
Speaker 1: like whale things go into the swim through the air. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they like come through the sky in like a
Speaker 1: big round portal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then things flake off of them.
Speaker 1: Yep, the little.
Speaker 2: Shippy things whatever they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are weird things. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 1: But like they like and there's like a big old
Speaker 1: circle in the sky and the cloudy stuff, and then
Speaker 1: behind that.
Speaker 2: And they're trying to plug the whole. I don't know,
Speaker 2: they're trying to block that kick, block that kick.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: It's a joke. It's joke. I'll tell it to you sometimes, Okay.
Speaker 1: But you know, like inside of the circle where it
Speaker 1: like opens up the sky is this is a skyescape
Speaker 1: behind them with just stars and constellations and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's like they just came from the middle of nowhere
Speaker 1: space and they zoomed into our atmosphere.
Speaker 2: It's kind of cool. M Well, I think you've got
Speaker 2: the right categories. I think that's exactly the ones that
Speaker 2: I had kind of picked out. And I bet you
Speaker 2: if you did research, people would put them in that
Speaker 2: same kind of buckets.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And when I say people, I'm talking about people who
Speaker 2: investigate unidentified flying objects or UFOs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like nerds.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of like Moufon, you know,
Speaker 2: the Mutual UFO network. Yeah, you know, they train their
Speaker 2: people to, you know, to basically use investigative techniques to
Speaker 2: try to find out if something is one of those categories.
Speaker 1: So they're the men in Black.
Speaker 2: No, Mofon would talk about the Men in Black. Mofon
Speaker 2: are just a bunch of people that are out trying
Speaker 2: to find you know, the truth about UFOs. Right so yeah,
Speaker 2: so no, the Men in Black are people that Moufon
Speaker 2: would try to interrogate or investigate.
Speaker 1: That could be a really fun weish just do a
Speaker 1: Men in Black episode.
Speaker 2: You know. I mean they've been around I think since
Speaker 2: like the nineteen fifties or thirties or something like that,
Speaker 2: a long time. But now that I.
Speaker 1: Don't know about Will Smith, but the other guy what
Speaker 1: was his name?
Speaker 2: Excellent question, and the answer you're looking for lies right here.
Speaker 1: He's probably been around a while, But I don't think
Speaker 1: Will Smith's been around since the fifties or No.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about actual
Speaker 2: reports of Men in Black around UFOs. I think that
Speaker 2: started in like the fifties. I read something today. I
Speaker 2: just can't remember what it was and wasn't well I
Speaker 2: was telling you that, but then I was thinking about
Speaker 2: the guy. Isn't that Tommy Lee Jones? Jones, Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: so that was bringing into my head while I was
Speaker 2: trying to tell you the thing, and you know, I'm like, A,
Speaker 2: I don't have enough bandwidth to do three things at
Speaker 2: once in my brain, so it's short circuited there. This
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, fun but yeah, yeah, but they have
Speaker 2: those four categories, which are, you know, a missidified natural thing,
Speaker 2: a totally made up fictitious thing, a hoax.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a made up fictitious thing?
Speaker 2: What were our four? Your first one was what misidentified.
Speaker 1: Misidentified normal airplane?
Speaker 2: Your second one was stuff.
Speaker 1: We don't know about in the government.
Speaker 2: Okay, secret government stuff. And the third one was hoax.
Speaker 2: And the fourth one is actually alien or some kind
Speaker 2: of outer space interdimensional being craft thing, extraterrestrial extraterrestrial spacecraft
Speaker 2: or something. So you know, I don't know what these
Speaker 2: things are, right, I think I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people I think it's a mix of maybe everything. The
Speaker 2: only thing I'm not sure of is if there really
Speaker 2: are interdimensional or interstellar kind of spacecrafts. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: you hear about all of these things, and people are
Speaker 2: seeing things all over. I mean, you go back to
Speaker 2: Roswell and you have this kind of cover up and
Speaker 2: then they say it was like a weather balloon. And
Speaker 2: then there was spacecraft and mostly they found bodies and
Speaker 2: they've been dissecting them in secret labs and you know,
Speaker 2: having autopsies all this weird stuff. And basically, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I can believe any of that. I want
Speaker 2: to believe that stuff, but I don't know if I can.
Speaker 2: And you know, when we talked about in our initial episodes,
Speaker 2: we talked about cattle mulations and we talked about the
Speaker 2: UFO connection to that, and then we talked about how
Speaker 2: people were seeing these like weird connections with Bigfoot, and we.
Speaker 3: Talked about maybe that they were like using cattle as
Speaker 3: surrogate mothers for the re in vitro fertilization of synthetic
Speaker 3: bodies for alien beings or something.
Speaker 2: I mean, we kind of.
Speaker 1: Went quite the theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really cool movie script, but you know,
Speaker 2: we did.
Speaker 1: A really b movie script, very.
Speaker 2: B movie but you know, honestly, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what to think about it and anyway, but
Speaker 2: I did run across this story that I thought was
Speaker 2: pretty cool. And this is called the Morristown UFO.
Speaker 1: Sidings Morristown huh yeah.
Speaker 2: And unlike some sightings you know that are like, you know,
Speaker 2: Roswell or whatever that was well in the past, this
Speaker 2: is something that occurred relatively new in like two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine recently, and it's something that was seen by
Speaker 2: thousands of people. It was reported by a whole host
Speaker 2: of like local, regional, and even national news sources.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean it was something that was like,
Speaker 2: it was a big deal, and I'm.
Speaker 1: A little more credible than what you know, Hopkinsville in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and this happened in Morristown, New Jersey in two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. So basically what happened was people started
Speaker 2: calling in and this is on January fifth of two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. People started calling into the police station
Speaker 2: in nine to one to one and saying, hey, we're
Speaker 2: seeing these floating red objects in the air and it's weird.
Speaker 2: We don't know what they are. And there's like four
Speaker 2: of them and they kind of are scattered, but then
Speaker 2: they kind of come into alignment and they're like moving
Speaker 2: weird and.
Speaker 1: What is it.
Speaker 2: The first call came in in Morris County at about
Speaker 2: where's Morris County. It's in New Jersey, New Jersey, New Jersey.
Speaker 1: So we got a bunch of guidos.
Speaker 2: At eight twenty eight in the morning, they get a
Speaker 2: calls like, hey, I'm seeing something floating around in the air,
Speaker 2: and then more calls came in. There was quite a few.
Speaker 2: And this is on January fifth, Okay, So anyway, the
Speaker 2: police department got involved. They called the local airport and
Speaker 2: they said, hey, we're seeing these things in the air.
Speaker 2: You haven't yet. It's the situation right exactly. Some of
Speaker 2: the workers at the air terminal went out and they
Speaker 2: could see the things in the air, and they tried
Speaker 2: to see if they were visible on the radar, and
Speaker 2: they were not. And as they looked at them, you know,
Speaker 2: they applied what kind of specialty they had as you know,
Speaker 2: air traffic controllers air traffic controllers. Yeah, but they estimated
Speaker 2: that these lights that were in the sky doing these
Speaker 2: weird interactions were about twenty five hundred feet in the air,
Speaker 2: so they were well out there, but they weren't appearing
Speaker 2: on the radar. And a lot of the regional and
Speaker 2: local news come, gosh, my brain.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean to help you?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: If I had to name a newspaper company in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: I'd call it News Jersey News Jersey.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the TV and local media companies
Speaker 2: kind of caught onto this and they wrote stories about
Speaker 2: it and stuff like that. And then they had these
Speaker 2: two guys that reported in an interaction with these lights.
Speaker 2: They said they were driving in their car and these
Speaker 2: lights zoomed over the top of them and then kind
Speaker 2: of took off into the sky. They're moving erradically and
Speaker 2: it kind of freaked them out. And these guys kind
Speaker 2: of became the face of these UFOs or whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call them. And their names were Joe Rudy
Speaker 2: and Chris Russo. So Rudy and Russo.
Speaker 1: Russo is a good name, yeap. So two guys just
Speaker 1: thinking like poly d Yeah, Russell just thinking a New Joysey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rudy and great.
Speaker 2: Rudy and Russo. But anyway, these guys brought driving around
Speaker 2: and these lights buzzed the car and they actually were
Speaker 2: quick on the draw, and they actually got some video
Speaker 2: of this thing. We were driving on Halver and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, we see these lights literally zip.
Speaker 1: Over our car.
Speaker 2: They pulled over, grabbed Joe's camera and started shooting.
Speaker 4: The lights seemed to ascend and descend almost in a sequence.
Speaker 2: And their video kind of went viral, and their story
Speaker 2: went viral, and they found themselves in the news and
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. But meanwhile, other things were happening,
Speaker 2: like a moufon got involved with it. They started doing
Speaker 2: an investigation, the local stations started their own investigations, and
Speaker 2: eventually it was even picked up by Fox News. And
Speaker 2: partly that's because there was more than one siding. So
Speaker 2: the first one happened on January fifth. Well, on January
Speaker 2: twenty sixth, there was another siding, and multiple people called
Speaker 2: into the local police departments and reported these sidings again,
Speaker 2: and it kind of had people kind of freaking out
Speaker 2: a little bit. And then it happened again on January
Speaker 2: twenty ninth. Then it happened again on February seventh, and
Speaker 2: then on February twenty seventh, you know, twenty days later,
Speaker 2: was like the end all of these red craft flying
Speaker 2: around when nine of them were seen kind of doing
Speaker 2: weird formations off of the major highway and it was
Speaker 2: causing the cars to stop and pull over, kind of
Speaker 2: caused a little traffic jam. People were starting to get
Speaker 2: kind of nervous.
Speaker 1: So there were lots of witnesses to this. Yeah one, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: The regional news got bigger and bigger and move on.
Speaker 2: You know. They'd commented on it that it sounded like this,
Speaker 2: there's no way this could be an aircraft because aircraft
Speaker 2: have to have a red light on their wing, and
Speaker 2: these were obviously not aircraft. Something else is going on here.
Speaker 2: They had witnesses that said that the things would like
Speaker 2: look like they were just randomly scattered in the sky,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden they'd come into alignment
Speaker 2: and then they would disperse and then they just take off.
Speaker 2: It was, you know, it was a crazy deal and
Speaker 2: people in that area, we're a little freaked out. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: And it became a media circus. So this is like
Speaker 2: in February when when this climaxed, all of these investigations
Speaker 2: start going on the local police departments in the different counties,
Speaker 2: and there were different counties like in Morriston, there was
Speaker 2: Hanover Township, Morris Planes, Madison, and floor harm Park. All
Speaker 2: of these cities had their own police departments and they
Speaker 2: were being inundated by calls about these strengths dots, right,
Speaker 2: and you could imagine people were seeing these things, and
Speaker 2: some of the reports were like, well, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: it's maybe it's like a lantern, one of those sky
Speaker 2: lanterns that are up there floating around, or I think
Speaker 2: the police chief or one of the lieutenants at Morristown
Speaker 2: actually is the one that said that, I think these
Speaker 2: things are like flares tied to.
Speaker 1: Helium balloons or something.
Speaker 2: Except for people were saying that they were obviously acting
Speaker 2: like they had some kind of intelligence and that they
Speaker 2: were connected because they would make formations in the sky.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: These two characters that initially reported this, Rudy and Russo,
Speaker 2: they ended up being on TV shows. They released a
Speaker 2: bunch of video that they had taken when the original
Speaker 2: spaceships of whatever they were, the UFOs buzzed their car.
Speaker 2: They became basically pretty famous, and everything was kind of
Speaker 2: at a heightened sense of alarm, and you know, people
Speaker 2: were trying to figure out what it was until and
Speaker 2: this happened in April. There's an until until on April first,
Speaker 2: a magazine came out with an article Skeptic Magazine. I
Speaker 2: wonder what that's about, and some contributors had written an
Speaker 2: article about how they had created a hoax to discredit ufologists.
Speaker 2: They said that ufology was basically a pseudoscience joke, and
Speaker 2: that people believe this stuff were crazy and childish, and
Speaker 2: that the whole idea of eyewitnesses and the reliability of
Speaker 2: those eyewitnesses was suspect. And those two characters were the
Speaker 2: same Russo and Rudy game. Two guys had gone out
Speaker 2: and created a giant hoax. It was all a hoax
Speaker 2: and news to New Jerseys. Derek Dennis found out why.
Speaker 2: Two guys from Morris County and get it, that's our
Speaker 2: top story.
Speaker 1: To tap out. Joe Rudy and Chris Russo used helium
Speaker 1: balloons and flares to make a point about UFO's a
Speaker 1: judge and Morris planes brought them back to earth on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: And they had taken all kinds of video showing the
Speaker 2: entire process of how they did it. To the credit
Speaker 2: of the lieutenant at the Morristown Police Department, he had
Speaker 2: it right. They were basically tying flares to helium.
Speaker 1: Balloons and letting them go crazy.
Speaker 2: And they had documented all of this stuff on video,
Speaker 2: and then in the magazine they had all kinds of
Speaker 2: links to it. In fact, if you look at up
Speaker 2: Morristown UFO hoax, you'll be able to see a lot
Speaker 2: of these things on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah's take it out.
Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is we just had my son's,
Speaker 1: my youngest son's birthday party, and we bought a bunch
Speaker 1: of Mickey Mouse balloons. Yeah, and I actually thought, because
Speaker 1: they're all tied together, about putting little lights on each one,
Speaker 1: and we get those little led lives, putting little lights
Speaker 1: on them and just letting them go randomly were at
Speaker 1: night and seeing if people will freak out. I didn't
Speaker 1: do it because that's kind of littering, but I think
Speaker 1: that'd be hilarious. And then you bring this up, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we got all these balloons, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should I should do see if I can freak
Speaker 1: people out. And then you're like, oh, it was just balloons.
Speaker 2: And so these two guys, Joe Rudy and Chris Russo
Speaker 2: had basically staged this whole thing, and they called it
Speaker 2: a social experiment. They were intentionally doing it with the
Speaker 2: sole purpose of discrediting the whole UFO of you know,
Speaker 2: scene phenomena, okay, And because of that, they were both
Speaker 2: praised and they were criticized. Like moufon the Mutual UFO
Speaker 2: Network criticized them not so much because they were doing
Speaker 2: something fake, because they want the truth. They don't want
Speaker 2: to report on something that's fake, but they criticized them
Speaker 2: for putting people and a property in jeopardy by having
Speaker 2: these flares flying through the sky. You never know where
Speaker 2: they're going to land. You know, they could have destroyed
Speaker 2: homes or property. Actually, you know, caused a problem. The
Speaker 2: police department was very upset because they wasted a lot
Speaker 2: of demand hours and trying to pull over on the
Speaker 2: freeway and exactly a lot of danger there. So as
Speaker 2: a consequence, they were arrested. They they originally you know,
Speaker 2: they nobody knew what they were going to be charged for,
Speaker 2: but they were eventually on April seventh, they both pled
Speaker 2: guilty to disorderly conduct and were each sentenced to fifty
Speaker 2: hours of community service and had to pay a two.
Speaker 1: Hundred and fifty dollars. Fine.
Speaker 2: Oh, now, these two guys kind of are infamous. Some
Speaker 2: people think they're, you know, are awesome because they exposed
Speaker 2: the pseudoscience of ufology. Other people think that they were
Speaker 2: a couple of hacks, and you know, basically our detriment
Speaker 2: to people who are actually trying to find the truth.
Speaker 4: There's nothing Chris and I could have done to disprove
Speaker 4: UFOs visiting Earth, but hopefully we maybe change a few
Speaker 4: people's minds at least got them to rethink. Next time
Speaker 4: they see lights in the sky, what could that be?
Speaker 1: Is it an alien?
Speaker 4: Or maybe is it two guys pulling off a prank
Speaker 4: in the woods?
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I think that's funny.
Speaker 2: It's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: You could just pick up on Russo and Ricky Robbie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was it? Rudy, Rudy and Russo. You just can't
Speaker 1: see him. They're holding a couple of bias. They just
Speaker 1: enjoying the day. And then, dude, did you get Facebook today?
Speaker 1: We got they watching them. We got so many views
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, it'd be amazing and hyping each other up.
Speaker 1: They're like, let's do some steroids. They go to the
Speaker 1: gym and then hit the club.
Speaker 2: They probably made tons of money off of it because.
Speaker 1: They got all there, like two hundred and fifty dollars. Fine, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you think they offset that at least?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I kind of got me thinking about it. So,
Speaker 2: how many of the actual sightings that we see are hoaxes?
Speaker 2: I think it's a bigger percentage than we want to
Speaker 2: actually believe, especially if you're like me and want to
Speaker 2: be a believer.
Speaker 1: You mean, like the mainstream ones, like the ones on
Speaker 1: TV or.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you see them, tons of them. I mean,
Speaker 2: just look up UFO on YouTube and you'll see thousands,
Speaker 2: and obviously some of them are hoaxes. But the ones
Speaker 2: that are more realistic you still think are hoaxes. Go
Speaker 2: to Facebook, there are all kinds of groups and pages
Speaker 2: about UFOs and and you know, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: want to believe that there is some kind of weird
Speaker 2: thing going on, but at the same time, I just
Speaker 2: think people are weird and they have a lot of
Speaker 2: strange things going on all the time. So I mean,
Speaker 2: what's real? Why is it if let's just say case
Speaker 2: of argument, what if the majority, the vast majority of
Speaker 2: all of these things are hoaxes or disinformation.
Speaker 1: Okay, which I think is an accurate statement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's probably pretty accurate. So what does
Speaker 2: that do to things that kind of associate with UFOs,
Speaker 2: say things like our initial kickoffs, cattle mulations.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it means people are really
Speaker 1: dedicated to their hoaxes.
Speaker 2: Or it means they're not willing to get that those things,
Speaker 2: the cattle mulations are basically from the same source, which
Speaker 2: means hoax, something natural, or some kind of government conspiracy
Speaker 2: misinformation campaign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to think. I think for sure
Speaker 1: you can sum them up in the same buckets. It's
Speaker 1: people not knowing what they're looking at something, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then something weird happening and them not knowing about it
Speaker 1: just a lie, bold face lie, or actually something weird
Speaker 1: and nefarious happening.
Speaker 2: Well, satanic cults whatever, I mean, that's in there. That's
Speaker 2: like an unknown but it's kind of a conspiratorial kind
Speaker 2: of thing. And then you or you could have the
Speaker 2: government side. So why would the government be involved in
Speaker 2: the regimented and continual ongoing practice of mutilating cows and
Speaker 2: dropping their bodies out in the wilderness.
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably some kind of fetish.
Speaker 2: And why would they tie UFOs in with it, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I remember our I think it was our
Speaker 2: second installment of our podcast, and we talked about this
Speaker 2: place down in Utah where the police actually chased black
Speaker 2: Ops helicopters to the airport, and the helicopters actually had
Speaker 2: an apparatus that made them look like maybe they were
Speaker 2: some kind of disc shape m hm, and that they
Speaker 2: were intentionally trying to cover whatever they were doing with
Speaker 2: misinformation about it being a UFO, Because as soon as
Speaker 2: something becomes a UFO, then it's out there. It's not real.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of crazy.
Speaker 1: Ways yead of like when Pippin says, the closer you
Speaker 1: are to danger, the farther you are from harm, The
Speaker 1: closer we out to danger, the further we out from harm.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's so outrageous, we'll never get caught. It's
Speaker 1: so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, nobody's going.
Speaker 1: To nobody's going to come claim it.
Speaker 2: It can never go mainstream. And so I wonder about that,
Speaker 2: you know, as as I've kind of delved into this
Speaker 2: whole idea of UFOs and trying to put a realistic
Speaker 2: spin on it rather than maybe a sensational spin, which
Speaker 2: is where I want to go. You know, what is
Speaker 2: the reason behind UFOs and then what does that mean
Speaker 2: to other things we've talked about in the past. Since
Speaker 2: there has been an increase in cattle emulations and UFO sidings.
Speaker 2: I just read an article today. In fact, I've posted
Speaker 2: it on our group page and I think on our
Speaker 2: podcast facebook page. There has been a huge increase in
Speaker 2: UFO sidings in the last two years.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's like people now, I hate
Speaker 2: to say, they believe in UFOs, but they expect to
Speaker 2: see UFOs.
Speaker 1: My son just turned to mm hmm. You think that's
Speaker 1: a coincidence.
Speaker 2: It could be there after my boy, I don't know. So,
Speaker 2: you know, my conspiratorial mind and then the furious nature
Speaker 2: of things, powers and principalities makes me wonder about what
Speaker 2: is coming now. You can think of it as like
Speaker 2: some kind of government conspiracy that's trying to basically condition
Speaker 2: us so that if something really weird does happen, then people,
Speaker 2: you know, will just buy.
Speaker 1: It, They'll accept it.
Speaker 2: COVID COVID, What if an alien suddenly appeared in Washington.
Speaker 1: D C.
Speaker 2: What if Joe Biden comes out saying, here's my buddy
Speaker 2: Ralph from some you know, distant galaxy.
Speaker 1: People would probably be like, Okay, Joe, we get it,
Speaker 1: you're crazy.
Speaker 2: Your line dog face pony soldiers.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, you know, I'd just be up
Speaker 1: to his normaleotypical personality.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you think about the way we've
Speaker 2: been conditioned for the last fifty years, and just say
Speaker 2: in entertainment alone, the kind of movies that are out
Speaker 2: and have been out forever, like for everything from the
Speaker 2: War of the Worlds all the way through Star Wars,
Speaker 2: and now we've got all these movies with in the
Speaker 2: Marvel Universe and all of these beans that come from
Speaker 2: another planet like Superman. It makes you wonder what would
Speaker 2: really happen if something extraterrestrial or interdimensional did show up.
Speaker 2: Could people make the leap? You know?
Speaker 1: I think in our current climate, people would definitely just
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, that's crazy. It would be like
Speaker 1: a big sensational thing. But I think it maybe they
Speaker 1: get celebrated. I don't think there'd be like mass suicides.
Speaker 1: And this isn't what I do is grown up because we,
Speaker 1: like you said, we've been conditioned for it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you. It's pretty unanimous. Most people would agree
Speaker 1: that there's a chance that there's not just us in
Speaker 1: the whole universe. Yeah, yeah, in all of eternity.
Speaker 2: You know what, it reminds me of that scene and
Speaker 2: what was that Independence Day? And what did people do
Speaker 2: when they showed up. I mean there were people that
Speaker 2: went out and they were holding up banners and signs
Speaker 2: and getting on the roof like welcome, take me home.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of wonder if that's probably pretty accurate.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would celebrate, well, the
Speaker 2: idea that we aren't alone, and it would be like
Speaker 2: a big party type.
Speaker 1: How many cults are just built on like some spaceship
Speaker 1: or intergalactic thing or comment coming down and taking us
Speaker 1: all with them to go join another verse or whatever
Speaker 1: they want to call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The basic idea of Heaven's Gate was that you
Speaker 2: would chemically and biologically transform your body, becoming a next
Speaker 2: level alien, and then you would physically get on board
Speaker 2: the UFO which would sail off it to Heaven.
Speaker 1: It says Heaven's Gate Away Teeth thirty nine to beam up.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's a pretty common thing just to
Speaker 1: have this idea. And it makes sense because you look
Speaker 1: up at the sky at night and there's just dots
Speaker 1: and they're floating around in a black void. There's no
Speaker 1: way my insignificance in the world, in the universe is
Speaker 1: the only significance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Okay, okay, let's rod another thing here,
Speaker 2: since we're kind of delving into the subject a little bit.
Speaker 2: So you look at at religion and you look at
Speaker 2: the imagery and cosmology of what is going to happen
Speaker 2: in end times, and you have basically that kind of
Speaker 2: scenario a mothership coming and taking away people.
Speaker 1: In some religions, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like in Christianity they call that kind of
Speaker 2: thing the rapture, right, where all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: God shows up and everybody that believes in God gets
Speaker 2: taken away. Pop, they're gone, right, And then you also
Speaker 2: have in other religions there's going to be some big,
Speaker 2: huge revelation where this messiah person will show up and
Speaker 2: that will fix everything through a time of chaos and turmoil.
Speaker 2: It's just really weird. It's almost like these alien, alien
Speaker 2: creatures or UFOs or whatever are going to come and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're going to be face to
Speaker 2: face with something that's otherworldly.
Speaker 1: That's totally true. That's exactly there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: If something came to our planet just randomly, it would
Speaker 1: change our life. It would change the world completely in
Speaker 1: this second, And we don't have things like that typically,
Speaker 1: like the nuclear bomb, maybe Hiroshima going off maybe kind
Speaker 1: of had a similar effect, But even like like terrorist
Speaker 1: attacks that we've had nine to eleven, yeah, nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: they don't have the same effect globally of just what
Speaker 1: the f Yeah, you know, everybody in the world would
Speaker 1: have Yeah, the world would have the same collective mind
Speaker 1: of what.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There wouldn't be just like, oh no, we did that,
Speaker 1: or all people are terrible, how could they? It would
Speaker 1: be just what.
Speaker 2: The record think about this for for half a second.
Speaker 2: Never before in history and time has there been the
Speaker 2: ability to instantaneously broadcast to every corner of the Earth,
Speaker 2: right to stream information from one side of the planet
Speaker 2: to the other of something that happened. So if an
Speaker 2: alien landed in Washington, DC on the Capitol Building, it
Speaker 2: would instantly be known by every corner of the planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's you take COVID, right, and how
Speaker 1: what impactful that was to us? I mean Italy and
Speaker 1: all these places just shut down and people are dying
Speaker 1: and all kinds of crazy things. And even in places
Speaker 1: where COVID wasn't a big deal, they're putting masks out.
Speaker 1: And if it was something that was like so defined,
Speaker 1: like we have a new species of dinosaur running around
Speaker 1: and so t Rex found in Australia, it would be
Speaker 1: like the world would just be like what everywhere? Heck,
Speaker 1: And then if you put alien into the mix, something
Speaker 1: from another planet has come down and landed and tried
Speaker 1: to talk with us on the White House lawn, everything
Speaker 1: would just stop. I don't think COVID would exist anymore.
Speaker 1: If an alien landed on the White.
Speaker 2: House one from page.
Speaker 1: Anymore, everything would just be like over the entire world.
Speaker 1: People would probably celebrate. It'd be a national holiday, international holiday.
Speaker 1: It'd be the biggest thing ever.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Well, you know, I always thought about that,
Speaker 2: like from my religious background, right, they always talk about
Speaker 2: Jesus coming back again and every eye will see right,
Speaker 2: and it's like, well that's a possibility, and okay, so
Speaker 2: replace the name of Jesus with alien man or or
Speaker 2: something like that. If something, someone, some being showed up
Speaker 2: outside of what is expected, so outside of our time
Speaker 2: space continuum, outside of our dimension, outside of our inner
Speaker 2: space and outer space, then it would be everywhere. Instantly,
Speaker 2: all eyes would be glued to it. We would be
Speaker 2: wondering what the heck is going on? I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: so maybe it wasn't a person. Maybe it's an object.
Speaker 2: What was that movie with Kennel Reeves? It was a remake?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that Can Reeves in it? Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it was a it was It wasn't. It wasn't John Wick.
Speaker 2: That's like totally opposite.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same. The aliens come down and
Speaker 1: they see how much one guy is willing to do
Speaker 1: for his dead dog, and they have mercy on the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm scanning through his movies right now.
Speaker 2: You will know it. As soon as I say it,
Speaker 2: you'll be going, oh yeah, oh, here it is the
Speaker 2: day the Earth stood still.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: So that one's about, you know, basically what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: This spacecraft lands in Central Park and this guy in
Speaker 2: a black kennel reeves gets out and basically falls in
Speaker 2: love with his lady or a lady kind of helps
Speaker 2: him or whatever. Because of humankind being so just destructive
Speaker 2: and filled with evil and violence, they're going to destroy
Speaker 2: the Earth, or at least all the humans on the
Speaker 2: Earth on the planet. And anyway, she by her actions
Speaker 2: stops him.
Speaker 1: What are you saying, If the Earth dies, you die.
Speaker 1: If you die, the Earth survives.
Speaker 4: There are only a handful of planets in the cosmos
Speaker 4: that are capable of supporting complex life.
Speaker 2: This one can't.
Speaker 1: Be allowed to perish.
Speaker 2: We can change, We could still turn things around.
Speaker 1: We've waited and hoped that you would change.
Speaker 2: Please, it's reached.
Speaker 1: The tipping point.
Speaker 2: We have to act well, undo the damage you've done
Speaker 2: and give the Earth a chance to begin again.
Speaker 3: Please, we could change.
Speaker 1: We can change. The decision is made, the process has begun.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it was that kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 2: the day the Earth stood still, that's what would happen.
Speaker 2: The Earth would stand still. Yeah, all eyes, all ears.
Speaker 2: I mean you think like the media conferences that we
Speaker 2: have now about COVID or even when nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, those things captivated the world for what two
Speaker 2: or three days, ten days? Maybe COVID's been a couple
Speaker 2: of years, but you know, people hate it. I wonder
Speaker 2: my conspiratorial brain says, are we headed towards something? Are
Speaker 2: we headed towards some kind of and maybe it will
Speaker 2: even be some kind of big, fake, big hoax that
Speaker 2: somebody's open, somebody's trying to pull over somebody else's eyes, right,
Speaker 2: or maybe it'll be something real. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: these UFO side it's going to make me think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird. I think the UFO thing just
Speaker 1: kind of opens up a whole conversation about every conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but in a different way because I think, like, what
Speaker 1: is the word? Is it zeitgeist? Because that's right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: does that mean like the collective mind of people's subconscious
Speaker 1: I don't know what zeitgeist mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking it up. The general beliefs, ideas and
Speaker 2: spirit of a time and place, or the general intellectual, moral,
Speaker 2: and cultural climate of an era, and I.
Speaker 1: Think a spot on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another section. This is from Merriam Webster. Did
Speaker 2: you know scholars have long maintained that each era has
Speaker 2: a unique spirit, a nature, or climate that sets it
Speaker 2: apart from all other epochs. In German, such a spirit
Speaker 2: is known as zeitgeist, from the German from the German
Speaker 2: words zeit meaning time and geist meaning spirit or ghost
Speaker 2: like culter geist, ghost knocking ghosts. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 2: you used that correctly.
Speaker 1: I think I did a good shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what were you saying about that? Crickets?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Do you remember what I was saying?
Speaker 1: My train of thought?
Speaker 2: You were saying that zeitgeist, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I was talking about the because we have
Speaker 1: this idea that there are other things in our zeitgeist,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of socially accepted that you can think
Speaker 1: that if something did happen, it would be like a
Speaker 1: global change, but not like the end of the world.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be Yeah, you know what's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: I think I know what you're saying is that the
Speaker 2: climate of the world isn't so regional anymore, especially in
Speaker 2: the terms of potential UFOs or supernatural aliens or visitors
Speaker 2: from outer space. But the zeitgeist of that is that
Speaker 2: you know, that could be something that may happen, So
Speaker 2: people don't I don't know if they'd freak out like,
Speaker 2: you know, they would have maybe one hundred years ago.
Speaker 1: They'd just be there, you know, waiting with open arms,
Speaker 1: a fistful of sanitary masks and a bottle of hand
Speaker 1: sanitizer or welcome to Earth. Sorry.
Speaker 2: So then that makes me think about from our Strange
Speaker 2: Gods conversations that we've had, is is this something that
Speaker 2: has happened before. I mean we talked about I think
Speaker 2: we talked about how the women of old mate it
Speaker 2: with creatures that were of a different kind of flesh
Speaker 2: and they created these super beings called the nephilim.
Speaker 1: Oh and yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, so there you have this kind of weird thing.
Speaker 2: So maybe this is something that's not unique or new,
Speaker 2: maybe it's already happened before. But anyway, that takes it
Speaker 2: down a whole different rabbit trail. I want to pull
Speaker 2: it back because you know, I talked a little bit
Speaker 2: about a UFO is being tied to the cattle mutilation phenomena,
Speaker 2: and I think since we kicked off our initial episodes
Speaker 2: of the podcast, the first ones that we did about
Speaker 2: cattle mulations, I'd like to kind of go back there
Speaker 2: and visit that topic. It's a good tying point because
Speaker 2: we're talking about UFOs, and we're talking about the conspiracies
Speaker 2: that potentially is behind UFOs, And now maybe we could
Speaker 2: carry that insight back to our original topic of cattle
Speaker 2: mulations and maybe do a little uh digging on the
Speaker 2: more recent events, which there have been quite a few
Speaker 2: new cattle mulations throughout the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was weird, like right when we started doing
Speaker 1: the cattle Mutilations episode, the first ones, and we had
Speaker 1: a rough go because it was like our first try podcast,
Speaker 1: you know stuff.
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good. I mean, I'd give
Speaker 2: a lot agrees because we were not podcasters.
Speaker 1: We're not solid two and a half stars out.
Speaker 2: But unless you're poly sixty four, unless.
Speaker 1: You're probably then it's seventeen minutes of our life completely waste.
Speaker 1: Every good back cer Anyway, Polly is going to be
Speaker 1: just the name for people who don't like me.
Speaker 2: Now, I know it's our Karen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the a strange thing. Karen is a Polly Polly
Speaker 1: want cracker. Anyway, at a point and we got distracted
Speaker 1: with the Polly thing original thing. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of cool or weird or something. How we kicked off
Speaker 1: with our cattle mulation stuff and you know, we had
Speaker 1: it was a little rougher because we had our first
Speaker 1: couple episodes in that realm. It's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a rough realm to get into anyway. But then as
Speaker 1: soon as we started talking about it, and maybe it
Speaker 1: was because it was in our own personal zeitgeist, but
Speaker 1: it was like, all of a sudden, there's all these
Speaker 1: cal mulations around.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it was actually true, like right after
Speaker 2: we started, there were those cattle mulations in organ Yeah,
Speaker 2: which was really weird. It was like it happened like honestly,
Speaker 2: like the day after right right when we started talking
Speaker 2: about it, new cattle mulations, and they hadn't I hadn't
Speaker 2: heard about any of them for probably ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. That's the weird thing. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because we are a little
Speaker 1: more aware and open to it, no, but that's your opinion.
Speaker 1: But you were aware and open to it, So I'm
Speaker 1: just playing the bias that, you know, just kind of.
Speaker 2: I can guarantee you there hadn't been any reports in
Speaker 2: the local newspapers of cattle mulations for probably a decade,
Speaker 2: and then they're on front page news because.
Speaker 1: My point is mutilated org my point testicles off what
Speaker 1: the my point lift off. My point is that because
Speaker 1: you know, we started with that, then we saw it
Speaker 1: almost immediately, and now it's kind of been like trick consistently.
Speaker 1: It seems like since we talked about it. And that's
Speaker 1: where I wonder if it's because we're aware of it
Speaker 1: and we got lucky with the Oregon thing because it
Speaker 1: was closer. Well, it seems like there's just stuff kind
Speaker 1: of popping up constantly.
Speaker 2: During that same time, I was contacted by a friend
Speaker 2: of mine who was in local law enforcement and told
Speaker 2: me about two cattle mutilations that took place close to
Speaker 2: where we live in this county. In fact, just a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, I got on my motorcycle and rode
Speaker 2: some really horrible roads out to this remote blm land
Speaker 2: area where they have open range for cows and saw
Speaker 2: this site where there had been three cattle deaths. Two
Speaker 2: of them were obviously mutilations. And for those of you
Speaker 2: who haven't heard about cattle mulations, they usually have some
Speaker 2: tailtale signs that tie them together that make them something
Speaker 2: that's unique and cattle mulation rather than you know, just
Speaker 2: natural deaths. But we'll talk about that. I think we
Speaker 2: should talk about that in our next episode. I think
Speaker 2: we should jump back in there, go from UFOs, take
Speaker 2: UFO sidings in with cattle mulation findings, and do an
Speaker 2: episode just kind of to bring people up to date
Speaker 2: with like the new stuff that's been going on with
Speaker 2: cattle mulations. But anyway, yeah, let's do that. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've been talking for a long time. We should probably
Speaker 2: get out of this episode and the next one we'll
Speaker 2: hit cattle mulations.
Speaker 1: And you think there's any cattle mutilations up in Idaho City,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there have been. We should figure that out
Speaker 1: and go investigate it, and also well deer.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing about cattle mulations is that or mutilations
Speaker 2: in general, is that they're not all cattle. If there
Speaker 2: is some kind of deep, dark secret behind these that's
Speaker 2: more say, conspiratorial nefarious, then you know what could that be.
Speaker 2: I want to get into that a little bit, because
Speaker 2: that would also include mutilations of other creatures such as deer.
Speaker 2: Maybe the reasons why I'll see a UFOs around these
Speaker 2: sides of cattle emulations tie them maybe together a little bit,
Speaker 2: at least as a hypothesis, blots hypothesize.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 2: So why don't you close this out and then we'll
Speaker 2: just get on with it next time.
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