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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, Hey guys. You know we are on episode

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven, forty two Ding Dong forty seven minus five,

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven minus five.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you can do math. Yeah, we are in episode

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<v Speaker 2>forty two, and we are going to continue our discussion

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<v Speaker 2>of strange UFOs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so these episodes are strange.

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<v Speaker 2>They are. This is basically we could call it more

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<v Speaker 2>strange UFOs stranger, UFOs stranger UFOs.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it nice, I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, last time we talked about Jane Doe and

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<v Speaker 2>her strange encounter with an object in the Nevada, Utah

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<v Speaker 2>area saw flats, right, and it was pretty cool. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked a little bit about maybe some of our weird

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<v Speaker 2>encounters with things that could be UFOs, but we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really talk about the big phenomena, right, phenomenon phenomena. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't talk about that. So we need to do

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<v Speaker 2>that now. So I heard you had a story.

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<v Speaker 1>You do have a story.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think you should just launch in and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just want to I'm gonna go full strange on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go full strange because I know you You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get tired and you're gonna start slurring your words and

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be boring. So I want I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to put your heart to at Austin.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep in the backwoods of Hopkinsville, Kentucky. This nineteen fifty five,

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<v Speaker 1>August twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>First, this is good, alrighty Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy by the name of Billy ray Taylor is out

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<v Speaker 1>by the well on his family property. The rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the klan, maybe eleven in all sitting in the house

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<v Speaker 1>far far away. Suddenly a blast of light, a whirling sound,

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<v Speaker 1>and a mysterious object appears overhead. It makes its way

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<v Speaker 1>across the entire property, over Billy ray Taylor's head and

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<v Speaker 1>settles itself nice and easy down in a gully. It

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<v Speaker 1>was almost dusk, but not quiet. It was still dark

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<v Speaker 1>and hard to see. He runs back to his cabin

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<v Speaker 1>where his family resides and says, Ma, Pa, everybody, come

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<v Speaker 1>look at this ship. He explains, you can't continue this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm digging it, man. I'm thinking about all the sound

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<v Speaker 2>effects in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is really how it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of a really surface level view of what's.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got to No, did you write this yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like do the dramatic presentation of this these

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<v Speaker 2>are my notes. Oh so you're making it up as

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<v Speaker 2>you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm I'm using my memory and my notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's that's good man. I like it. Yeah, okay, go.

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<v Speaker 1>Go forgive me if some of my facts are wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Still makes for a good story.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So they make their way back.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, man, get back into characters too good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard. We have a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it when you talk because I can just

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and drink my beer and listen. Right, very entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob and sees this shit. So Billy Ray Taylor and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like his cousin with some other burly backwoods dude

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<v Speaker 1>head on out to the other side of the property

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of guns, a twenty two long rifle,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe at twenty gage, maybe a twelve gage, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>farm guns. Guns. So they head outside. Before they know it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're encountered by three foot tall little monsters armored and

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<v Speaker 1>with big old claws, big heads, and bigger ears. They

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<v Speaker 1>starts getting in a conversation, some kind of back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth articulation with these monsters. These monsters get too close,

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<v Speaker 1>they give them a couple of warning shots. The monsters

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<v Speaker 1>do all kinds of crazy flips trying to get away

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<v Speaker 1>from these bullets. The monsters never get too close, but

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<v Speaker 1>one does apparently grab Billy Ray Taylor's head or arm

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<v Speaker 1>or hat while it's hanging off the awning of their

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<v Speaker 1>little cabin where they reside. So they shoot at these monsters, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's getting a little bit later in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>so they get out of the house, threatening it in

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<v Speaker 1>full their lives because they cannot take these suckers down.

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<v Speaker 1>They're getting a cough d on out of town, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them. They go straight to the police, where the

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<v Speaker 1>police is like na. The police come back to their house.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's not quite right outside. They do a little

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<v Speaker 1>perimeter search nothing, but there are bullet holes in the

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<v Speaker 1>screen door and evidence of a firefight. So the police

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<v Speaker 1>leave and the aliens come back and they get into

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<v Speaker 1>another kind of confrontational situation here. They head back into town.

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<v Speaker 1>Photo teams coming, cops are coming. Everybody's coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this Hopkinsville encounter. That's all I got. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a real thing, Hockins Hopkins. The Hopkinsville encounter is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what it's called.

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<v Speaker 2>So you did a dramatic presentation of the Hopkins Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was.

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<v Speaker 1>A really bad presentation. I bet there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>detail that I messed up or but the story is

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<v Speaker 1>basically the same. Basically, these kind of a backwoods family

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<v Speaker 1>in Kentucky in nineteen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 2>They're nineteen fifty five Kentucky. Okay, that explains a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, frogs, they shooting little green men, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, so they're at their house and this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Ray Taylor, which is a perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Backwoods guy named Yeah, that's a great name.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Ray Silas Taylor cyrus.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he had a daughter that would swinging like.

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<v Speaker 1>A redni mo. Yeah, no doubt a mom be swinging

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<v Speaker 1>like a wrecking ball.

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<v Speaker 2>That's for damn show naked on a wrecking ball.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Anyway, so they have this this guy sees

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<v Speaker 1>this spaceship flower's head and apparently kind of lands in

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<v Speaker 1>a goalie. And then and then long story.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there any description of the of the UFO of

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<v Speaker 2>the flame not.

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<v Speaker 1>In my quick little overview and kind of brief summary

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<v Speaker 1>I made. There might be, but I know it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dark approaching morning, so they didn't have like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time to observe because it was dark. And

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<v Speaker 1>then by the time it's right outside. The camera crews

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff come and everything's kind of jumbled. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>flies over his head and then he I think goes

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<v Speaker 1>back and gets maybe his cousin or somebody, and they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of go out to investigate this and they get

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<v Speaker 1>in like a shootout with these little almost like they

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<v Speaker 1>remind me of Grimlins. Yeah, like Magwai after eating after midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like doing flips and dodged and the bullets and

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<v Speaker 1>like the bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>But they didn't hit any of them. They just missed

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<v Speaker 2>them all.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they think they hit them, and they'd like retreat

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<v Speaker 1>and then they'd come back and they were wearing like

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<v Speaker 1>shiny kind of chrome armor suits and they had claws

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently, what was that movie with was it The Mummy

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<v Speaker 2>or was it the Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull

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<v Speaker 2>where there's the little creatures, the little green creatures or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever that are chased them through. That was the Mummy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we talked about we talked about Mummy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what reminded me of like Hobgoblin, Yeah, Hobgoblin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's a funny story and they're

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<v Speaker 1>shooting at him there's actually bullet holes in the cabin

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<v Speaker 1>like door and stuff where they were shooting. Apparently one

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<v Speaker 1>that grabbed his hair or took his hat off, like

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<v Speaker 1>leaned over the yawning and grabbed him, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>took off, and then police came and made a report

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I understand, said that there was something happened,

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<v Speaker 1>but no spaceships were found. You know, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing I thought of while you were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it is that you said that the guns that they

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<v Speaker 2>had were farm guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you said guns?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is funny because you said that. It flashed me

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<v Speaker 2>back because we had a twenty two long rifle. We

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<v Speaker 2>had twenty grab him. I know you've got them right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a twenty gauge twelve gage and a couple twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of it. That's exactly what we had. That's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>that's funny. I thought that was funny. It made me chuckle.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing I thought of, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna add a little more detail here, but those

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<v Speaker 2>little green guys, those little creatures, that was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like what my sister dreamt or saw in the hallway

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<v Speaker 2>that I talked about in the last episode that scared

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<v Speaker 2>me so bad as a little kid that I'd go

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<v Speaker 2>sneak up in the mom and dad's room and sleep

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<v Speaker 2>on the dog pillow.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>She So, she called me and she was telling me

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<v Speaker 2>about her dream and that I had basically everything correct,

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<v Speaker 2>but she did have time loss. So she had that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she woke up and it was morning.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of people would just call that

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<v Speaker 1>a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was more like sleep paralysis. She said

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<v Speaker 2>that she could not move her eyeballs. Oh weird, they

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<v Speaker 2>were frozen, and she couldn't look away. She couldn't blink

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<v Speaker 2>as they can into the room. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing I wanted to just throw out here before

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<v Speaker 2>we dove into that, maybe a little bit more that experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Is we are once again recording remotely.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope our listeners can hear a little quality difference

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<v Speaker 2>because we invested a little bit of time, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of money. We have some better microphones and a

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<v Speaker 2>little better internet connection hopefully. So I am once again

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<v Speaker 2>down here at the site of my sister's abduction in

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<v Speaker 2>Twin Falls, Idaho. And you are up in Meridian. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in Nampa.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in my house. Yeah, in the ghetto, in the ghetto.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good song. Yes, oh yeah, it's good in

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<v Speaker 2>the good hole. Yeah. So anyway, we're trying this again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be a much much better episode,

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<v Speaker 2>at least as far as quality of sound go was

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not quality of substance, but at least Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think my Hopkins villain counter was

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<v Speaker 1>spot on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was good. I have to admit that was

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<v Speaker 2>really good. And I'm gonna spice it up big time

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<v Speaker 2>sound effects like Rick she Bullock.

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<v Speaker 1>I gonna do noises. But I figured you'd put it

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<v Speaker 1>in there for me, so yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So anything else you wanted to say about that? What

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<v Speaker 2>was against Hopkins Hopkinsville?

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess it's close to Kelly, Kentucky or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that Kelly County. I don't know, because it's Kelly. It

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<v Speaker 1>says like Kelly Kentucky Hopkinsville throughout the articles that I read.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you hear about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I heard about it first? The

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<v Speaker 1>podcast I listened to whiles at work just to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of touch up on this ridiculous story was astonishing legends.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is a little similar to our podcast, just

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<v Speaker 1>two dudes talking. I think they're a little more refined

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<v Speaker 1>than we are. But I have really not at Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the one guy Forrest, I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>the names for I think the one guy, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's from southern Idaho. He drops little hints and says

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<v Speaker 2>No wonder. It's a good podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's coming out of the land of Taters, Bud,

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<v Speaker 1>the land of taters and milk and honey. Tater's milk

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<v Speaker 1>No, have you ever heard that song by afro Man? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's called Idaho No Potatoes are the only thing? Do

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<v Speaker 2>No? I haven't heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>You should? You should listen to it.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a terrible song.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to that? Hey, we're using a real time streaming

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<v Speaker 2>utility called stream yard, and we can see each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? A strange thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get that?

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<v Speaker 2>That got it for a Christmas present for some.

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<v Speaker 1>Do Yeah, that's for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got it. I love this hat.

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<v Speaker 2>It fits comfortable on my big melon.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're advertising to anybody that's following you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everybody who's near me is looking at my

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<v Speaker 1>butt anyway, so yeah, yeah, yeah, just look up and

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<v Speaker 2>Boom. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, you got any UFL stories to do? Well? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Yeah. So I did a little research. I

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<v Speaker 2>UFOs it's kind of weird, it's strange. It fits categorically

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<v Speaker 2>really well into our podcast in our name.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're strange thing.

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<v Speaker 2>What the heck are these things? I mean, they've been

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<v Speaker 2>around for a long time, but really they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>caught on like in the fifties and sixties, even like

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<v Speaker 2>in Roswell, you know, maybe in the forties, but before that,

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't a lot of this kind of stuff recorded. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there were some things in like the late eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>where people were, you know, saying that they saw offline

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<v Speaker 1>Some kind of floating in the Yeah, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean it's really kind of a something that's

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<v Speaker 2>more than it ever has.

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<v Speaker 1>What do they call that, the UFO ufology No no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>like a boom they called like.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no no, but like it becomes really popular.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a name that they use for that, like spike

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I don't know if you think about it, just

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<v Speaker 2>shout it out. But what occurs to me is, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we have things that are inscribed on ancient stellas

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<v Speaker 2>or in hieroglyphics or pets pick to peckers. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 2>are inscriptions on there and in ancient art that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of maybe people could say looks like flying machines or

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of chariots of the gods that land. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not something that was foreign to people of ancient times.

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<v Speaker 2>But now because of movies and the things we see

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<v Speaker 2>and the ready access to like YouTube and video channels.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows what UFOs are, and I think they've also

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<v Speaker 2>kind of created their own reality. It's like everybody expects

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<v Speaker 2>for them to be real, and in a way, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think anybody would be extremely surprised if a UFO

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<v Speaker 2>showed up because we were prepared for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about prepared, but we've It's it's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>on like our collective mind, you know, as a society

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. There's so many movies and so many things,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you got Joe Rogan, like, there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>we could be the only people in the universe. And right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know other you know, podcasters and TV people and

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<v Speaker 1>scientists saying that the probability of other life being on

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<v Speaker 1>other planets is eighty seven point nine to eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I don't think that's a real fact, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just like the common knowledges that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not the only people in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the media frenzy around it is that these

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<v Speaker 2>things exist. Now what they are that's a different question.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we got to kind of ask ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>as we kind of delve into this stuff, what are

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<v Speaker 2>these things? I mean, what are the possibilities that these

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<v Speaker 2>things are. Okay, name it for you, Austin. What what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think UFOs are?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>What are the possibilities?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the first thing I think UFO is is just

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<v Speaker 1>an object that's flying and you can't identify it. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I know UFO.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of times it's some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>misinterpretation of something that you're seeing. You hear, like, give

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<v Speaker 1>me for it's what yea? So like people driving through Nevada,

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<v Speaker 1>they've heard the area fifty one stories, they've heard all

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<v Speaker 1>these alien stories, ghost stories, all this. You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>their brains in this space of like aliens and jumpy Nevada,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you get it, the desert. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>a crop tuster flies by them, and then it flies

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<v Speaker 1>by them again. Crop tusters don't move really fast, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of weird looking, and they kind of follow

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<v Speaker 1>roads sometimes because that's where they.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be lit weirdly by the sun or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet, oh yeah, even just at night, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>and next thing you know, there's this UFO encounter. But

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<v Speaker 1>really it's this sixty five year old farmer who's just

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<v Speaker 1>crop dustin late at night, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, so you're saying that one of the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that these could be are normal everyday

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<v Speaker 2>flying objects that are for whatever reason misinterpreted and reported

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<v Speaker 2>as unidentified flying objects because they aren't recognized for what

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<v Speaker 2>they truly are, so natural objects.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think, yeah, I think there's things that come

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<v Speaker 1>into play. Like like I said, I give the three things.

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<v Speaker 1>So location they're in Nevada or when you're up in

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains or whatever, someplace isolated or kind of has

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<v Speaker 1>a aura of mystery around it. Yeah, and then and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're thinking about that stuff in you're subconscious, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you see something all of a sudden that's that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't identify and you don't have enough time to

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<v Speaker 1>identify it, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Your mind does the rest. You're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>UFOs A bang behind me, weird, I got.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a monster. Well, okay, so naturally occurring kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a misinterpreted or misidentified, regular day, everyday object or thing. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's what. What's another one?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's actually stuff that can't be identified because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what it is, but our government knows

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, or somebody's government knows what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and the majority of the population is just oblivious as

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<v Speaker 1>to what technology is out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so like a secret some kind of secret government.

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<v Speaker 1>Or even you could even take that too. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>and you just don't recognize it, and it's weird looking.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe it's the government doing weapons testing or testing

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<v Speaker 1>a new airplane. Okay, maybe it's the guy down the

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<v Speaker 1>street built a millennium Falcon drone and he has led

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<v Speaker 1>lights all around it and he's buzzing it around your

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<v Speaker 1>actually unidentified. It's not something. Oh that's a aten warhog

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<v Speaker 2>So what I'm kind of trying to do is strip off,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the possibilities and boil it down to what

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<v Speaker 2>are the possible things. And I think you put your

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<v Speaker 2>finger on two of them. One is that it's a misidentified,

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<v Speaker 2>regular everyday kind of a flying object, whether that's an

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<v Speaker 2>airplane or a weather balloon or something like that. Second

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's some secret kind of technology that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the government is testing. But it's still kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>category one in that it's it's a natural phenomena that

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<v Speaker 2>has an explanation that maybe is covered up, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that's real and tangible and has a logical kind

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<v Speaker 2>of explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no extraterrestrial explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So then that would be the third one, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the extra terrestrial, which would be something that is not

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<v Speaker 2>from our realm and that is manifesting in our atmosphere

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Right now, that wouldn't be the possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a third, but that wouldn't be my third.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you what would your third be?

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<v Speaker 1>My third would be it's people presenting information that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>true to have some sort of itch scratched.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying a hoax, Yeah, a hoax.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not even I mean, I guess I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the definition of hoax that well, maybe, but not

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<v Speaker 1>even like they're trying to fool people, but they just

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to get attention and they'll do whatever it means. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I think you get it a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>like low income like trailer park type environments, because those

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<v Speaker 1>people are desperate, They just want to be known for something,

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<v Speaker 1>They want to have a steak in the world, and that.

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<v Speaker 2>The fifteen fifteen Minutes of fame. Yeah, I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was a condescending. But okay, then a.

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<v Speaker 1>Trailer we have, We've lived in a trailer and yeah, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>we're down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we wanted to be special and we did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we started a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Okay, So anyway, I see what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying that people maybe it's not even for a hoax,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously they're making stuff up so.

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<v Speaker 1>They can get attention for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, okay, yeah, I think categorically that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>not the you know, they might have different reasons for it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's really they know it's not true and they're

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<v Speaker 2>just making it up, right, Yeah. And then your fourth

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<v Speaker 2>one then would that it is actually it's.

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<v Speaker 1>An actual alien spaceship.

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<v Speaker 2>Or interdimensional spaceship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the whole inter dimensional spaceship thing better than like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some outer space spaceship because nobody ever sees

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<v Speaker 2>these things coming in from outer space. And if they're jumping,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're teleporting through a portal, then that's transdimensional. It's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that scene in the Avengers where those big

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<v Speaker 1>like whale things go into the swim through the air. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they like come through the sky in like a

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<v Speaker 1>big round portal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then things flake off of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, the little.

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<v Speaker 2>Shippy things whatever they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those are weird things. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But like they like and there's like a big old

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<v Speaker 2>And they're trying to plug the whole. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to block that kick, block that kick.

427
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that means.

428
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<v Speaker 2>It's a joke. It's joke. I'll tell it to you sometimes, Okay.

429
00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 1>But you know, like inside of the circle where it

430
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>like opens up the sky is this is a skyescape

431
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:16.200
<v Speaker 1>behind them with just stars and constellations and stuff like that.

432
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<v Speaker 1>It's like they just came from the middle of nowhere

433
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<v Speaker 1>space and they zoomed into our atmosphere.

434
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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of cool. M Well, I think you've got

435
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<v Speaker 2>the right categories. I think that's exactly the ones that

436
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<v Speaker 2>I had kind of picked out. And I bet you

437
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.640
<v Speaker 2>if you did research, people would put them in that

438
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<v Speaker 2>same kind of buckets.

439
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

440
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 2>And when I say people, I'm talking about people who

441
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<v Speaker 2>investigate unidentified flying objects or UFOs.

442
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like nerds.

443
00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of like Moufon, you know,

444
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the Mutual UFO network. Yeah, you know, they train their

445
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>people to, you know, to basically use investigative techniques to

446
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<v Speaker 2>try to find out if something is one of those categories.

447
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>So they're the men in Black.

448
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.039
<v Speaker 2>No, Mofon would talk about the Men in Black. Mofon

449
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:07.160
<v Speaker 2>are just a bunch of people that are out trying

450
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<v Speaker 2>to find you know, the truth about UFOs. Right so yeah,

451
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.279
<v Speaker 2>so no, the Men in Black are people that Moufon

452
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.359
<v Speaker 2>would try to interrogate or investigate.

453
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<v Speaker 1>That could be a really fun weish just do a

454
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<v Speaker 1>Men in Black episode.

455
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<v Speaker 2>You know. I mean they've been around I think since

456
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<v Speaker 2>like the nineteen fifties or thirties or something like that,

457
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>a long time. But now that I.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Don't know about Will Smith, but the other guy what

459
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<v Speaker 1>was his name?

460
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<v Speaker 2>Excellent question, and the answer you're looking for lies right here.

461
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<v Speaker 1>He's probably been around a while, But I don't think

462
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<v Speaker 1>Will Smith's been around since the fifties or No.

463
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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about actual

464
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:55.319
<v Speaker 2>reports of Men in Black around UFOs. I think that

465
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.680
<v Speaker 2>started in like the fifties. I read something today. I

466
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:05.519
<v Speaker 2>just can't remember what it was and wasn't well I

467
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.599
<v Speaker 2>was telling you that, but then I was thinking about

468
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the guy. Isn't that Tommy Lee Jones? Jones, Yeah, okay, yeah,

469
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:14.200
<v Speaker 2>so that was bringing into my head while I was

470
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to tell you the thing, and you know, I'm like, A,

471
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<v Speaker 2>I don't have enough bandwidth to do three things at

472
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.519
<v Speaker 2>once in my brain, so it's short circuited there. This

473
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of yeah, fun but yeah, yeah, but they have

474
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<v Speaker 2>those four categories, which are, you know, a missidified natural thing,

475
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 2>a totally made up fictitious thing, a hoax.

476
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't that be a made up fictitious thing?

477
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<v Speaker 2>What were our four? Your first one was what misidentified.

478
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Misidentified normal airplane?

479
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Your second one was stuff.

480
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<v Speaker 1>We don't know about in the government.

481
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, secret government stuff. And the third one was hoax.

482
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>And the fourth one is actually alien or some kind

483
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>of outer space interdimensional being craft thing, extraterrestrial extraterrestrial spacecraft

484
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 2>or something. So you know, I don't know what these

485
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>things are, right, I think I think a lot of

486
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.799
<v Speaker 2>people I think it's a mix of maybe everything. The

487
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.880
<v Speaker 2>only thing I'm not sure of is if there really

488
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 2>are interdimensional or interstellar kind of spacecrafts. So, I mean,

489
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 2>you hear about all of these things, and people are

490
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>seeing things all over. I mean, you go back to

491
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Roswell and you have this kind of cover up and

492
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>then they say it was like a weather balloon. And

493
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>then there was spacecraft and mostly they found bodies and

494
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:49.599
<v Speaker 2>they've been dissecting them in secret labs and you know,

495
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 2>having autopsies all this weird stuff. And basically, I don't

496
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>know if I can believe any of that. I want

497
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 2>to believe that stuff, but I don't know if I can.

498
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know, when we talked about in our initial episodes,

499
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 2>we talked about cattle mulations and we talked about the

500
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>UFO connection to that, and then we talked about how

501
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 2>people were seeing these like weird connections with Bigfoot, and we.

502
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Talked about maybe that they were like using cattle as

503
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:25.119
<v Speaker 3>surrogate mothers for the re in vitro fertilization of synthetic

504
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 3>bodies for alien beings or something.

505
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we kind of.

506
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Went quite the theory.

507
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a really cool movie script, but you know,

508
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 2>we did.

509
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.759
<v Speaker 1>A really b movie script, very.

510
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 2>B movie but you know, honestly, I don't know, I

511
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know what to think about it and anyway, but

512
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I did run across this story that I thought was

513
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 2>pretty cool. And this is called the Morristown UFO.

514
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Sidings Morristown huh yeah.

515
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 2>And unlike some sightings you know that are like, you know,

516
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Roswell or whatever that was well in the past, this

517
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>is something that occurred relatively new in like two thousand

518
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and nine recently, and it's something that was seen by

519
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 2>thousands of people. It was reported by a whole host

520
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 2>of like local, regional, and even national news sources.

521
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

522
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, I mean it was something that was like,

523
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:26.079
<v Speaker 2>it was a big deal, and I'm.

524
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.039
<v Speaker 1>A little more credible than what you know, Hopkinsville in

525
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty five.

526
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and this happened in Morristown, New Jersey in two

527
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine. So basically what happened was people started

528
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>calling in and this is on January fifth of two

529
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.240
<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine. People started calling into the police station

530
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.279
<v Speaker 2>in nine to one to one and saying, hey, we're

531
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>seeing these floating red objects in the air and it's weird.

532
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>We don't know what they are. And there's like four

533
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 2>of them and they kind of are scattered, but then

534
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>they kind of come into alignment and they're like moving

535
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>weird and.

536
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 1>What is it.

537
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>The first call came in in Morris County at about

538
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 2>where's Morris County. It's in New Jersey, New Jersey, New Jersey.

539
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:16.799
<v Speaker 1>So we got a bunch of guidos.

540
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>At eight twenty eight in the morning, they get a

541
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 2>calls like, hey, I'm seeing something floating around in the air,

542
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>and then more calls came in. There was quite a few.

543
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 2>And this is on January fifth, Okay, So anyway, the

544
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:31.559
<v Speaker 2>police department got involved. They called the local airport and

545
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>they said, hey, we're seeing these things in the air.

546
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>You haven't yet. It's the situation right exactly. Some of

547
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the workers at the air terminal went out and they

548
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>could see the things in the air, and they tried

549
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>to see if they were visible on the radar, and

550
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>they were not. And as they looked at them, you know,

551
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>they applied what kind of specialty they had as you know,

552
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 2>air traffic controllers air traffic controllers. Yeah, but they estimated

553
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>that these lights that were in the sky doing these

554
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 2>weird interactions were about twenty five hundred feet in the air,

555
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 2>so they were well out there, but they weren't appearing

556
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>on the radar. And a lot of the regional and

557
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>local news come, gosh, my brain.

558
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean to help you?

559
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

560
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>If I had to name a newspaper company in New Jersey,

561
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:26.119
<v Speaker 1>I'd call it News Jersey News Jersey.

562
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of the TV and local media companies

563
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of caught onto this and they wrote stories about

564
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 2>it and stuff like that. And then they had these

565
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:38.039
<v Speaker 2>two guys that reported in an interaction with these lights.

566
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>They said they were driving in their car and these

567
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 2>lights zoomed over the top of them and then kind

568
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>of took off into the sky. They're moving erradically and

569
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.400
<v Speaker 2>it kind of freaked them out. And these guys kind

570
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>of became the face of these UFOs or whatever you

571
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>want to call them. And their names were Joe Rudy

572
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and Chris Russo. So Rudy and Russo.

573
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Russo is a good name, yeap. So two guys just

574
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>thinking like poly d Yeah, Russell just thinking a New Joysey. Yeah,

575
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Rudy and great.

576
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Rudy and Russo. But anyway, these guys brought driving around

577
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and these lights buzzed the car and they actually were

578
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 2>quick on the draw, and they actually got some video

579
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>of this thing. We were driving on Halver and all

580
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, we see these lights literally zip.

581
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Over our car.

582
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 2>They pulled over, grabbed Joe's camera and started shooting.

583
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:39.160
<v Speaker 4>The lights seemed to ascend and descend almost in a sequence.

584
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 2>And their video kind of went viral, and their story

585
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.720
<v Speaker 2>went viral, and they found themselves in the news and

586
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of stuff. But meanwhile, other things were happening,

587
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 2>like a moufon got involved with it. They started doing

588
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>an investigation, the local stations started their own investigations, and

589
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>eventually it was even picked up by Fox News. And

590
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>partly that's because there was more than one siding. So

591
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 2>the first one happened on January fifth. Well, on January

592
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixth, there was another siding, and multiple people called

593
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 2>into the local police departments and reported these sidings again,

594
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and it kind of had people kind of freaking out

595
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. And then it happened again on January

596
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:26.559
<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth. Then it happened again on February seventh, and

597
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.599
<v Speaker 2>then on February twenty seventh, you know, twenty days later,

598
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>was like the end all of these red craft flying

599
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>around when nine of them were seen kind of doing

600
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>weird formations off of the major highway and it was

601
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 2>causing the cars to stop and pull over, kind of

602
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 2>caused a little traffic jam. People were starting to get

603
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of nervous.

604
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 1>So there were lots of witnesses to this. Yeah one, yeah, and.

605
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.079
<v Speaker 2>The regional news got bigger and bigger and move on.

606
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.119
<v Speaker 2>You know. They'd commented on it that it sounded like this,

607
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>there's no way this could be an aircraft because aircraft

608
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 2>have to have a red light on their wing, and

609
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 2>these were obviously not aircraft. Something else is going on here.

610
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.159
<v Speaker 2>They had witnesses that said that the things would like

611
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>look like they were just randomly scattered in the sky,

612
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden they'd come into alignment

613
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 2>and then they would disperse and then they just take off.

614
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.480
<v Speaker 2>It was, you know, it was a crazy deal and

615
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.159
<v Speaker 2>people in that area, we're a little freaked out. Oh yeah,

616
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>And it became a media circus. So this is like

617
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.519
<v Speaker 2>in February when when this climaxed, all of these investigations

618
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 2>start going on the local police departments in the different counties,

619
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:43.800
<v Speaker 2>and there were different counties like in Morriston, there was

620
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Hanover Township, Morris Planes, Madison, and floor harm Park. All

621
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 2>of these cities had their own police departments and they

622
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 2>were being inundated by calls about these strengths dots, right,

623
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.119
<v Speaker 2>and you could imagine people were seeing these things, and

624
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>some of the reports were like, well, you know, maybe

625
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>it's maybe it's like a lantern, one of those sky

626
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.679
<v Speaker 2>lanterns that are up there floating around, or I think

627
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 2>the police chief or one of the lieutenants at Morristown

628
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>actually is the one that said that, I think these

629
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>things are like flares tied to.

630
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Helium balloons or something.

631
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Except for people were saying that they were obviously acting

632
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 2>like they had some kind of intelligence and that they

633
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>were connected because they would make formations in the sky.

634
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Right.

635
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 2>These two characters that initially reported this, Rudy and Russo,

636
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 2>they ended up being on TV shows. They released a

637
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Speaker 2>bunch of video that they had taken when the original

638
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 2>spaceships of whatever they were, the UFOs buzzed their car.

639
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 2>They became basically pretty famous, and everything was kind of

640
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 2>at a heightened sense of alarm, and you know, people

641
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>were trying to figure out what it was until and

642
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 2>this happened in April. There's an until until on April first,

643
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 2>a magazine came out with an article Skeptic Magazine. I

644
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>wonder what that's about, and some contributors had written an

645
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:20.599
<v Speaker 2>article about how they had created a hoax to discredit ufologists.

646
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:26.760
<v Speaker 2>They said that ufology was basically a pseudoscience joke, and

647
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:31.719
<v Speaker 2>that people believe this stuff were crazy and childish, and

648
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 2>that the whole idea of eyewitnesses and the reliability of

649
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 2>those eyewitnesses was suspect. And those two characters were the

650
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 2>same Russo and Rudy game. Two guys had gone out

651
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and created a giant hoax. It was all a hoax

652
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 2>and news to New Jerseys. Derek Dennis found out why.

653
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Two guys from Morris County and get it, that's our

654
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 2>top story.

655
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>To tap out. Joe Rudy and Chris Russo used helium

656
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>balloons and flares to make a point about UFO's a

657
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 1>judge and Morris planes brought them back to earth on Tuesday.

658
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 2>And they had taken all kinds of video showing the

659
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 2>entire process of how they did it. To the credit

660
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.679
<v Speaker 2>of the lieutenant at the Morristown Police Department, he had

661
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 2>it right. They were basically tying flares to helium.

662
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Balloons and letting them go crazy.

663
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And they had documented all of this stuff on video,

664
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and then in the magazine they had all kinds of

665
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 2>links to it. In fact, if you look at up

666
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Morristown UFO hoax, you'll be able to see a lot

667
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 2>of these things on YouTube.

668
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah's take it out.

669
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty interesting.

670
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny is we just had my son's,

671
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.639
<v Speaker 1>my youngest son's birthday party, and we bought a bunch

672
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 1>of Mickey Mouse balloons. Yeah, and I actually thought, because

673
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 1>they're all tied together, about putting little lights on each one,

674
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and we get those little led lives, putting little lights

675
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>on them and just letting them go randomly were at

676
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>night and seeing if people will freak out. I didn't

677
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.280
<v Speaker 1>do it because that's kind of littering, but I think

678
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.440
<v Speaker 1>that'd be hilarious. And then you bring this up, yeah,

679
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>because we got all these balloons, and I'm like, oh,

680
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I should I should do see if I can freak

681
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.679
<v Speaker 1>people out. And then you're like, oh, it was just balloons.

682
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:25.400
<v Speaker 2>And so these two guys, Joe Rudy and Chris Russo

683
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>had basically staged this whole thing, and they called it

684
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 2>a social experiment. They were intentionally doing it with the

685
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 2>sole purpose of discrediting the whole UFO of you know,

686
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>scene phenomena, okay, And because of that, they were both

687
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 2>praised and they were criticized. Like moufon the Mutual UFO

688
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Network criticized them not so much because they were doing

689
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 2>something fake, because they want the truth. They don't want

690
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>to report on something that's fake, but they criticized them

691
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 2>for putting people and a property in jeopardy by having

692
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 2>these flares flying through the sky. You never know where

693
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 2>they're going to land. You know, they could have destroyed

694
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>homes or property. Actually, you know, caused a problem. The

695
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>police department was very upset because they wasted a lot

696
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 2>of demand hours and trying to pull over on the

697
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 2>freeway and exactly a lot of danger there. So as

698
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 2>a consequence, they were arrested. They they originally you know,

699
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.119
<v Speaker 2>they nobody knew what they were going to be charged for,

700
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 2>but they were eventually on April seventh, they both pled

701
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 2>guilty to disorderly conduct and were each sentenced to fifty

702
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.360
<v Speaker 2>hours of community service and had to pay a two.

703
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Hundred and fifty dollars. Fine.

704
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, now, these two guys kind of are infamous. Some

705
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 2>people think they're, you know, are awesome because they exposed

706
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 2>the pseudoscience of ufology. Other people think that they were

707
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>a couple of hacks, and you know, basically our detriment

708
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to people who are actually trying to find the truth.

709
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 4>There's nothing Chris and I could have done to disprove

710
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 4>UFOs visiting Earth, but hopefully we maybe change a few

711
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 4>people's minds at least got them to rethink. Next time

712
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 4>they see lights in the sky, what could that be?

713
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Is it an alien?

714
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.320
<v Speaker 4>Or maybe is it two guys pulling off a prank

715
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:16.039
<v Speaker 4>in the woods?

716
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, what do you think?

717
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that's funny.

718
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of funny.

719
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>You could just pick up on Russo and Ricky Robbie, Yeah,

720
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>what was it? Rudy, Rudy and Russo. You just can't

721
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.519
<v Speaker 1>see him. They're holding a couple of bias. They just

722
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>enjoying the day. And then, dude, did you get Facebook today?

723
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>We got they watching them. We got so many views

724
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 1>on this. Yeah, it'd be amazing and hyping each other up.

725
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.960
<v Speaker 1>They're like, let's do some steroids. They go to the

726
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 1>gym and then hit the club.

727
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 2>They probably made tons of money off of it because.

728
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 1>They got all there, like two hundred and fifty dollars. Fine, yeah,

729
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you think they offset that at least?

730
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I kind of got me thinking about it. So,

731
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>how many of the actual sightings that we see are hoaxes?

732
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a bigger percentage than we want to

733
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>actually believe, especially if you're like me and want to

734
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>be a believer.

735
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>You mean, like the mainstream ones, like the ones on

736
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 1>TV or.

737
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you see them, tons of them. I mean,

738
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>just look up UFO on YouTube and you'll see thousands,

739
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 2>and obviously some of them are hoaxes. But the ones

740
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 2>that are more realistic you still think are hoaxes. Go

741
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to Facebook, there are all kinds of groups and pages

742
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:39.559
<v Speaker 2>about UFOs and and you know, I don't know, I

743
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 2>want to believe that there is some kind of weird

744
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>thing going on, but at the same time, I just

745
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 2>think people are weird and they have a lot of

746
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>strange things going on all the time. So I mean,

747
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 2>what's real? Why is it if let's just say case

748
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 2>of argument, what if the majority, the vast majority of

749
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.480
<v Speaker 2>all of these things are hoaxes or disinformation.

750
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, which I think is an accurate statement.

751
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's probably pretty accurate. So what does

752
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 2>that do to things that kind of associate with UFOs,

753
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 2>say things like our initial kickoffs, cattle mulations.

754
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think it means people are really

755
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 1>dedicated to their hoaxes.

756
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Or it means they're not willing to get that those things,

757
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the cattle mulations are basically from the same source, which

758
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.679
<v Speaker 2>means hoax, something natural, or some kind of government conspiracy

759
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 2>misinformation campaign.

760
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't want to think. I think for sure

761
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you can sum them up in the same buckets. It's

762
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 1>people not knowing what they're looking at something, yeah, and

763
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 1>then something weird happening and them not knowing about it

764
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:53.639
<v Speaker 1>just a lie, bold face lie, or actually something weird

765
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and nefarious happening.

766
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, satanic cults whatever, I mean, that's in there. That's

767
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>like an unknown but it's kind of a conspiratorial kind

768
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 2>of thing. And then you or you could have the

769
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 2>government side. So why would the government be involved in

770
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the regimented and continual ongoing practice of mutilating cows and

771
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.159
<v Speaker 2>dropping their bodies out in the wilderness.

772
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, probably some kind of fetish.

773
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And why would they tie UFOs in with it, I

774
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I remember our I think it was our

775
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>second installment of our podcast, and we talked about this

776
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>place down in Utah where the police actually chased black

777
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Ops helicopters to the airport, and the helicopters actually had

778
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 2>an apparatus that made them look like maybe they were

779
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:45.800
<v Speaker 2>some kind of disc shape m hm, and that they

780
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 2>were intentionally trying to cover whatever they were doing with

781
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 2>misinformation about it being a UFO, Because as soon as

782
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 2>something becomes a UFO, then it's out there. It's not real.

783
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:59.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a bunch of crazy.

784
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Ways yead of like when Pippin says, the closer you

785
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 1>are to danger, the farther you are from harm, The

786
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 1>closer we out to danger, the further we out from harm.

787
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's so outrageous, we'll never get caught. It's

788
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 1>so ridiculous.

789
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Was Yeah, nobody's going.

790
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>To nobody's going to come claim it.

791
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>It can never go mainstream. And so I wonder about that,

792
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, as as I've kind of delved into this

793
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 2>whole idea of UFOs and trying to put a realistic

794
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.239
<v Speaker 2>spin on it rather than maybe a sensational spin, which

795
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>is where I want to go. You know, what is

796
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the reason behind UFOs and then what does that mean

797
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to other things we've talked about in the past. Since

798
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.960
<v Speaker 2>there has been an increase in cattle emulations and UFO sidings.

799
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.199
<v Speaker 2>I just read an article today. In fact, I've posted

800
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.639
<v Speaker 2>it on our group page and I think on our

801
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 2>podcast facebook page. There has been a huge increase in

802
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 2>UFO sidings in the last two years.

803
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Crazy.

804
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I mean, it's like people now, I hate

805
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.159
<v Speaker 2>to say, they believe in UFOs, but they expect to

806
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.039
<v Speaker 2>see UFOs.

807
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 1>My son just turned to mm hmm. You think that's

808
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:10.800
<v Speaker 1>a coincidence.

809
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 2>It could be there after my boy, I don't know. So,

810
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, my conspiratorial mind and then the furious nature

811
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 2>of things, powers and principalities makes me wonder about what

812
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.079
<v Speaker 2>is coming now. You can think of it as like

813
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>some kind of government conspiracy that's trying to basically condition

814
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>us so that if something really weird does happen, then people,

815
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:40.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, will just buy.

816
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:41.679
<v Speaker 1>It, They'll accept it.

817
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:49.360
<v Speaker 2>COVID COVID, What if an alien suddenly appeared in Washington.

818
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:49.280
<v Speaker 1>D C.

819
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.119
<v Speaker 2>What if Joe Biden comes out saying, here's my buddy

820
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Ralph from some you know, distant galaxy.

821
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>People would probably be like, Okay, Joe, we get it,

822
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:02.119
<v Speaker 1>you're crazy.

823
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Your line dog face pony soldiers.

824
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know, you know, I'd just be up

825
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.559
<v Speaker 1>to his normaleotypical personality.

826
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.000
<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you think about the way we've

827
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 2>been conditioned for the last fifty years, and just say

828
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.360
<v Speaker 2>in entertainment alone, the kind of movies that are out

829
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and have been out forever, like for everything from the

830
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>War of the Worlds all the way through Star Wars,

831
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and now we've got all these movies with in the

832
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Marvel Universe and all of these beans that come from

833
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:33.159
<v Speaker 2>another planet like Superman. It makes you wonder what would

834
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:39.280
<v Speaker 2>really happen if something extraterrestrial or interdimensional did show up.

835
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Could people make the leap? You know?

836
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I think in our current climate, people would definitely just

837
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh yeah, that's crazy. It would be like

838
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.320
<v Speaker 1>a big sensational thing. But I think it maybe they

839
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 1>get celebrated. I don't think there'd be like mass suicides.

840
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 1>And this isn't what I do is grown up because we,

841
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 1>like you said, we've been conditioned for it. It's like, yeah,

842
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I bet you. It's pretty unanimous. Most people would agree

843
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.920
<v Speaker 1>that there's a chance that there's not just us in

844
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 1>the whole universe. Yeah, yeah, in all of eternity.

845
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.599
<v Speaker 2>You know what, it reminds me of that scene and

846
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 2>what was that Independence Day? And what did people do

847
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 2>when they showed up. I mean there were people that

848
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 2>went out and they were holding up banners and signs

849
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>and getting on the roof like welcome, take me home.

850
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>You know.

851
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I kind of wonder if that's probably pretty accurate.

852
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people would celebrate, well, the

853
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.719
<v Speaker 2>idea that we aren't alone, and it would be like

854
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 2>a big party type.

855
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 1>How many cults are just built on like some spaceship

856
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>or intergalactic thing or comment coming down and taking us

857
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>all with them to go join another verse or whatever

858
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:57.440
<v Speaker 1>they want to call it.

859
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The basic idea of Heaven's Gate was that you

860
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.280
<v Speaker 2>would chemically and biologically transform your body, becoming a next

861
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.239
<v Speaker 2>level alien, and then you would physically get on board

862
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>the UFO which would sail off it to Heaven.

863
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.880
<v Speaker 1>It says Heaven's Gate Away Teeth thirty nine to beam up.

864
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, it's a pretty common thing just to

865
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 1>have this idea. And it makes sense because you look

866
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>up at the sky at night and there's just dots

867
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>and they're floating around in a black void. There's no

868
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>way my insignificance in the world, in the universe is

869
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the only significance.

870
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, Okay, okay, let's rod another thing here,

871
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 2>since we're kind of delving into the subject a little bit.

872
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>So you look at at religion and you look at

873
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:53.719
<v Speaker 2>the imagery and cosmology of what is going to happen

874
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:59.239
<v Speaker 2>in end times, and you have basically that kind of

875
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>scenario a mothership coming and taking away people.

876
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 1>In some religions, Yeah.

877
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like in Christianity they call that kind of

878
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 2>thing the rapture, right, where all of a sudden, you know,

879
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>God shows up and everybody that believes in God gets

880
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 2>taken away. Pop, they're gone, right, And then you also

881
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 2>have in other religions there's going to be some big,

882
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 2>huge revelation where this messiah person will show up and

883
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.960
<v Speaker 2>that will fix everything through a time of chaos and turmoil.

884
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just really weird. It's almost like these alien, alien

885
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 2>creatures or UFOs or whatever are going to come and

886
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.280
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, we're going to be face to

887
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.559
<v Speaker 2>face with something that's otherworldly.

888
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>That's totally true. That's exactly there's no doubt about it.

889
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 1>If something came to our planet just randomly, it would

890
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 1>change our life. It would change the world completely in

891
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 1>this second, And we don't have things like that typically,

892
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like the nuclear bomb, maybe Hiroshima going off maybe kind

893
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:10.039
<v Speaker 1>of had a similar effect, But even like like terrorist

894
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:13.039
<v Speaker 1>attacks that we've had nine to eleven, yeah, nine to eleven,

895
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:17.440
<v Speaker 1>they don't have the same effect globally of just what

896
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the f Yeah, you know, everybody in the world would

897
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:26.440
<v Speaker 1>have Yeah, the world would have the same collective mind

898
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.079
<v Speaker 1>of what.

899
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

900
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.199
<v Speaker 1>There wouldn't be just like, oh no, we did that,

901
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 1>or all people are terrible, how could they? It would

902
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 1>be just what.

903
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:42.559
<v Speaker 2>The record think about this for for half a second.

904
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Never before in history and time has there been the

905
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:51.280
<v Speaker 2>ability to instantaneously broadcast to every corner of the Earth,

906
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.400
<v Speaker 2>right to stream information from one side of the planet

907
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 2>to the other of something that happened. So if an

908
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:03.719
<v Speaker 2>alien landed in Washington, DC on the Capitol Building, it

909
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:08.360
<v Speaker 2>would instantly be known by every corner of the planet.

910
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. It's you take COVID, right, and how

911
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:17.920
<v Speaker 1>what impactful that was to us? I mean Italy and

912
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:22.119
<v Speaker 1>all these places just shut down and people are dying

913
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 1>and all kinds of crazy things. And even in places

914
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.920
<v Speaker 1>where COVID wasn't a big deal, they're putting masks out.

915
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 1>And if it was something that was like so defined,

916
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like we have a new species of dinosaur running around

917
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and so t Rex found in Australia, it would be

918
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:45.039
<v Speaker 1>like the world would just be like what everywhere? Heck,

919
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 1>And then if you put alien into the mix, something

920
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>from another planet has come down and landed and tried

921
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 1>to talk with us on the White House lawn, everything

922
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>would just stop. I don't think COVID would exist anymore.

923
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:00.599
<v Speaker 1>If an alien landed on the White.

924
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.800
<v Speaker 2>House one from page.

925
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Anymore, everything would just be like over the entire world.

926
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.559
<v Speaker 1>People would probably celebrate. It'd be a national holiday, international holiday.

927
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 1>It'd be the biggest thing ever.

928
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.639
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Well, you know, I always thought about that,

929
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 2>like from my religious background, right, they always talk about

930
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Jesus coming back again and every eye will see right,

931
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, well that's a possibility, and okay, so

932
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 2>replace the name of Jesus with alien man or or

933
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 2>something like that. If something, someone, some being showed up

934
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.800
<v Speaker 2>outside of what is expected, so outside of our time

935
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 2>space continuum, outside of our dimension, outside of our inner

936
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:51.880
<v Speaker 2>space and outer space, then it would be everywhere. Instantly,

937
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 2>all eyes would be glued to it. We would be

938
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.719
<v Speaker 2>wondering what the heck is going on? I mean, okay,

939
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 2>so maybe it wasn't a person. Maybe it's an object.

940
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.000
<v Speaker 2>What was that movie with Kennel Reeves? It was a remake?

941
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that Can Reeves in it? Oh no, no, no, no,

942
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:15.119
<v Speaker 2>it was a it was It wasn't. It wasn't John Wick.

943
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:16.639
<v Speaker 2>That's like totally opposite.

944
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of the same. The aliens come down and

945
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.599
<v Speaker 1>they see how much one guy is willing to do

946
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:27.119
<v Speaker 1>for his dead dog, and they have mercy on the world.

947
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm scanning through his movies right now.

948
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:34.840
<v Speaker 2>You will know it. As soon as I say it,

949
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.159
<v Speaker 2>you'll be going, oh yeah, oh, here it is the

950
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 2>day the Earth stood still.

951
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it.

952
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 2>So that one's about, you know, basically what we're talking about.

953
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 2>This spacecraft lands in Central Park and this guy in

954
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a black kennel reeves gets out and basically falls in

955
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.039
<v Speaker 2>love with his lady or a lady kind of helps

956
00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:00.559
<v Speaker 2>him or whatever. Because of humankind being so just destructive

957
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and filled with evil and violence, they're going to destroy

958
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the Earth, or at least all the humans on the

959
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Earth on the planet. And anyway, she by her actions

960
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:11.800
<v Speaker 2>stops him.

961
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.800
<v Speaker 1>What are you saying, If the Earth dies, you die.

962
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>If you die, the Earth survives.

963
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 4>There are only a handful of planets in the cosmos

964
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 4>that are capable of supporting complex life.

965
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:25.960
<v Speaker 2>This one can't.

966
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Be allowed to perish.

967
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 2>We can change, We could still turn things around.

968
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.639
<v Speaker 1>We've waited and hoped that you would change.

969
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Please, it's reached.

970
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:34.519
<v Speaker 1>The tipping point.

971
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.079
<v Speaker 2>We have to act well, undo the damage you've done

972
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and give the Earth a chance to begin again.

973
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 3>Please, we could change.

974
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 1>We can change. The decision is made, the process has begun.

975
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but it was that kind of thing, you know,

976
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.519
<v Speaker 2>the day the Earth stood still, that's what would happen.

977
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 2>The Earth would stand still. Yeah, all eyes, all ears.

978
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean you think like the media conferences that we

979
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:09.000
<v Speaker 2>have now about COVID or even when nine to eleven happened.

980
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those things captivated the world for what two

981
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:17.000
<v Speaker 2>or three days, ten days? Maybe COVID's been a couple

982
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 2>of years, but you know, people hate it. I wonder

983
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:25.239
<v Speaker 2>my conspiratorial brain says, are we headed towards something? Are

984
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 2>we headed towards some kind of and maybe it will

985
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.719
<v Speaker 2>even be some kind of big, fake, big hoax that

986
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 2>somebody's open, somebody's trying to pull over somebody else's eyes, right,

987
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.599
<v Speaker 2>or maybe it'll be something real. I don't know, but

988
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.280
<v Speaker 2>these UFO side it's going to make me think about that.

989
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is weird. I think the UFO thing just

990
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:52.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of opens up a whole conversation about every conspiracy,

991
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.880
<v Speaker 1>but in a different way because I think, like, what

992
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 1>is the word? Is it zeitgeist? Because that's right? Yeah,

993
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:04.920
<v Speaker 1>does that mean like the collective mind of people's subconscious

994
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what zeitgeist mean.

995
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm looking it up. The general beliefs, ideas and

996
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.880
<v Speaker 2>spirit of a time and place, or the general intellectual, moral,

997
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.119
<v Speaker 2>and cultural climate of an era, and I.

998
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Think a spot on.

999
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here's another section. This is from Merriam Webster. Did

1000
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.159
<v Speaker 2>you know scholars have long maintained that each era has

1001
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.360
<v Speaker 2>a unique spirit, a nature, or climate that sets it

1002
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.880
<v Speaker 2>apart from all other epochs. In German, such a spirit

1003
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 2>is known as zeitgeist, from the German from the German

1004
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.760
<v Speaker 2>words zeit meaning time and geist meaning spirit or ghost

1005
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like culter geist, ghost knocking ghosts. Yeah, so I think

1006
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you used that correctly.

1007
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I did a good shop.

1008
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what were you saying about that? Crickets?

1009
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. Do you remember what I was saying?

1010
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:03.840
<v Speaker 1>My train of thought?

1011
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:09.039
<v Speaker 2>You were saying that zeitgeist, I don't know.

1012
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I was talking about the because we have

1013
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>this idea that there are other things in our zeitgeist,

1014
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of socially accepted that you can think

1015
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that if something did happen, it would be like a

1016
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 1>global change, but not like the end of the world.

1017
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.119
<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't be Yeah, you know what's kind of interesting.

1018
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I know what you're saying is that the

1019
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 2>climate of the world isn't so regional anymore, especially in

1020
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:41.159
<v Speaker 2>the terms of potential UFOs or supernatural aliens or visitors

1021
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>from outer space. But the zeitgeist of that is that

1022
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, that could be something that may happen, So

1023
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.960
<v Speaker 2>people don't I don't know if they'd freak out like,

1024
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, they would have maybe one hundred years ago.

1025
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>They'd just be there, you know, waiting with open arms,

1026
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 1>a fistful of sanitary masks and a bottle of hand

1027
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.880
<v Speaker 1>sanitizer or welcome to Earth. Sorry.

1028
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.119
<v Speaker 2>So then that makes me think about from our Strange

1029
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Gods conversations that we've had, is is this something that

1030
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:18.199
<v Speaker 2>has happened before. I mean we talked about I think

1031
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:24.519
<v Speaker 2>we talked about how the women of old mate it

1032
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 2>with creatures that were of a different kind of flesh

1033
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and they created these super beings called the nephilim.

1034
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh and yeah.

1035
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so there you have this kind of weird thing.

1036
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:39.559
<v Speaker 2>So maybe this is something that's not unique or new,

1037
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's already happened before. But anyway, that takes it

1038
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 2>down a whole different rabbit trail. I want to pull

1039
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 2>it back because you know, I talked a little bit

1040
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:52.320
<v Speaker 2>about a UFO is being tied to the cattle mutilation phenomena,

1041
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and I think since we kicked off our initial episodes

1042
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.400
<v Speaker 2>of the podcast, the first ones that we did about

1043
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.880
<v Speaker 2>cattle mulations, I'd like to kind of go back there

1044
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and visit that topic. It's a good tying point because

1045
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about UFOs, and we're talking about the conspiracies

1046
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 2>that potentially is behind UFOs, And now maybe we could

1047
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.800
<v Speaker 2>carry that insight back to our original topic of cattle

1048
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.320
<v Speaker 2>mulations and maybe do a little uh digging on the

1049
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.400
<v Speaker 2>more recent events, which there have been quite a few

1050
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:27.960
<v Speaker 2>new cattle mulations throughout the world.

1051
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was weird, like right when we started doing

1052
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the cattle Mutilations episode, the first ones, and we had

1053
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.159
<v Speaker 1>a rough go because it was like our first try podcast,

1054
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:39.000
<v Speaker 1>you know stuff.

1055
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was pretty good. I mean, I'd give

1056
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot agrees because we were not podcasters.

1057
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:46.920
<v Speaker 1>We're not solid two and a half stars out.

1058
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<v Speaker 2>But unless you're poly sixty four, unless.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably then it's seventeen minutes of our life completely waste.

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<v Speaker 1>Every good back cer Anyway, Polly is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>just the name for people who don't like me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I know it's our Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the a strange thing. Karen is a Polly Polly

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<v Speaker 1>want cracker. Anyway, at a point and we got distracted

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<v Speaker 1>with the Polly thing original thing. I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool or weird or something. How we kicked off

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<v Speaker 1>with our cattle mulation stuff and you know, we had

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<v Speaker 1>it was a little rougher because we had our first

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<v Speaker 1>couple episodes in that realm. It's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a rough realm to get into anyway. But then as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as we started talking about it, and maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was because it was in our own personal zeitgeist, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, all of a sudden, there's all these

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<v Speaker 1>cal mulations around.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it was actually true, like right after

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<v Speaker 2>we started, there were those cattle mulations in organ Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which was really weird. It was like it happened like honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>like the day after right right when we started talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it, new cattle mulations, and they hadn't I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>heard about any of them for probably ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. That's the weird thing. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's because we are a little

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<v Speaker 1>more aware and open to it, no, but that's your opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were aware and open to it, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just playing the bias that, you know, just kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>I can guarantee you there hadn't been any reports in

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<v Speaker 2>the local newspapers of cattle mulations for probably a decade,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're on front page news because.

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<v Speaker 1>My point is mutilated org my point testicles off what

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<v Speaker 1>the my point lift off. My point is that because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we started with that, then we saw it

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately, and now it's kind of been like trick consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like since we talked about it. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I wonder if it's because we're aware of it

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<v Speaker 1>and we got lucky with the Oregon thing because it

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<v Speaker 1>was closer. Well, it seems like there's just stuff kind

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<v Speaker 1>of popping up constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>During that same time, I was contacted by a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine who was in local law enforcement and told

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<v Speaker 2>me about two cattle mutilations that took place close to

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<v Speaker 2>where we live in this county. In fact, just a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago, I got on my motorcycle and rode

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<v Speaker 2>some really horrible roads out to this remote blm land

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<v Speaker 2>area where they have open range for cows and saw

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<v Speaker 2>this site where there had been three cattle deaths. Two

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<v Speaker 2>of them were obviously mutilations. And for those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who haven't heard about cattle mulations, they usually have some

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<v Speaker 2>tailtale signs that tie them together that make them something

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<v Speaker 2>that's unique and cattle mulation rather than you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>natural deaths. But we'll talk about that. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>should talk about that in our next episode. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should jump back in there, go from UFOs, take

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<v Speaker 2>UFO sidings in with cattle mulation findings, and do an

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<v Speaker 2>episode just kind of to bring people up to date

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<v Speaker 2>with like the new stuff that's been going on with

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<v Speaker 2>cattle mulations. But anyway, yeah, let's do that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been talking for a long time. We should probably

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<v Speaker 2>get out of this episode and the next one we'll

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<v Speaker 2>hit cattle mulations.

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<v Speaker 1>And you think there's any cattle mutilations up in Idaho City,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there have been. We should figure that out

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<v Speaker 1>and go investigate it, and also well deer.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing about cattle mulations is that or mutilations

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<v Speaker 2>in general, is that they're not all cattle. If there

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<v Speaker 2>is some kind of deep, dark secret behind these that's

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<v Speaker 2>more say, conspiratorial nefarious, then you know what could that be.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get into that a little bit, because

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<v Speaker 2>that would also include mutilations of other creatures such as deer.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the reasons why I'll see a UFOs around these

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<v Speaker 2>sides of cattle emulations tie them maybe together a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>at least as a hypothesis, blots hypothesize.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right, sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>So why don't you close this out and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>just get on with it next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you don't feel uncomfortable when talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>planner workings of Hamburger, try tip state rear boots stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Then join us next time for some cold

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<v Speaker 1>drinks and some super strange conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely taters,