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Speaker 2: Everybody, Happy Thursday, Welcome to the program News Talk eleven,

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ten ninety nine three WBT. Enjoy this brisk weather because

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it's about to go away for like five days. Hey,

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it's gonna yeah, it was a heat dome. That's the

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that's the term everybody's using now. A heat dome be

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over one hundred degrees through like I don't know the

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rest of our lives. No, it's gonna be like Saturday, Sunday,

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Monday and Tuesday one hundred, one hundred and ten degrees

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here in Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Ugh, we will get through it.

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Speaker 2: We will get through it, especially those who have opted

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out of the throttling of the air conditioning units by

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Duke Power. But Anyway, let's get to the big news

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here in North Carolina, which is that number one former

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Governor Roy Cooper, my good friend Ray as I like

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to call him, because that's what Hillary Clinton called him

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when she was campaigning for him in North Carolina, called

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him Ray Cooper. So tight, those two so tight. And then,

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if I remember correctly, Kamala Harris also referred to him

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as Ray Cooper at some point too early on. They

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then became very good friends, although he would not join

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her ticket. But anyway, regardless, Roy Cooper expected to announce

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that he is running for the Senate seat that Tom

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Tillis is not going to seek reelection.

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Speaker 1: Two.

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Speaker 2: This from the Charlotte Observer by Danielle Battaglia. Morgan Jackson,

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who is Cooper's advisor longtime advisor, told McClatchy, which is

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the parent company of the Charlotte Observer and the Raleigh

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News and Observer, and I think the Durham Herald Sun

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maybe I forget, but the McClatchy papers were told by

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Morgan Jackson yesterday that quote Governor Cooper would be making

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his intentions known in the coming days. But Axios had

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already reported that Cooper plans to announce his run next week,

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and attributed its story to multiple unnamed sources. Jackson told

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McClatchy that he would not confirm Axios's reporting, So it

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does appear that Cooper is getting into the race. The

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twenty twenty six Senate race is expected to be one

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of the most expensive in the country and closely watched

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as the swing state of North Carolina could help determine

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whether Republicans maintain the majority. This is a very favorable

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map for Republicans. I'm not saying that they can lose

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North Carolina and be fined, but they don't want to

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lose North Carolina. But it is going to be a

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competitive race, and it's going to be a very expensive race,

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and it will determine whether or not Republicans can expand

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their current majority, which they have a fifty three to

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forty seven seat majority in the US Senate. They could

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actually expand that majority, but they would have to hold

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North Carolina. They'd have to hold that seat that Tillis

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currently has. Now Republicans, well, this was written yesterday, so

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they're weighing names like Laura Trump, Michael Wattley to run

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in their primary Pat Harrigan, congressman, potentially as well Don Brown,

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a former JAG officer. He has already declared himself a

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candidate in the Republican primary, but the filing does not

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actually open until December first, Okay, so you don't have

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to drop down the thousands of dollars to file to

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run for US Senate. You don't have to do that

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until December one. So and on the Democrat side, you've

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got Representative former Representative Wiley Nickel. He's already declared multiple

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times trying to get as much media attention as he could,

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so he just made his announcement like twice. He's also

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declared that he wants to run for this US Senate.

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Se don't know if he will actually do so. With

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Cooper getting in. If he stays in, that would that

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I don't know what would happen, especially then if he's

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going to split, you know, depending on Cooper's positions on things,

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does he does Wiley Nickel run to the left of Cooper?

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And if he does that, is that then open up

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a lane for some other candidate, namely a bipock right,

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like a black, indigenous person of color, whatever like it

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could be. You could have somebody come in and try

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Speaker 1: That lane, the non white male lane. But we don't know.

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Speaker 2: My suspicion, this is just a guest. The Democrats have

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not told me what's going to happen. I have not

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pulled every single Democrat who could run for the seat.

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But my suspicion is that Nicol bows out and they're

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just going to clear the field for Cooper. They want

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to avoid primary battle that might bloody him up a

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little bit and make him spend a bunch of money.

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So I suspect they're going to clear the field for him.

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Cooper has run in every election since the late nineteen eighties,

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so he is a fresh face obviously, and donelike Wiley,

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he has faced multiple statewide races. You know, he was

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attorney general for four terms I believe sixteen years total.

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In fact, he helped pass the most gerrymandered redistricting maps

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in America, got sued multiple times over it. Talked about

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how it's nearly impossible to comply with federal rules on

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how to draw the districts and stuff. But that was

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before the Democrats lost power and then used redistricting as

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a cudgel against the Republicans. He has statewide name recognition,

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that is true, and that statewide profile was amplified as

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he led North Carolina through the COVID nineteen pandemic, and

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everybody's got really fond memories of that. So that's definitely

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going to parlay into support for him. It will redound

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to his benefit, I am certain. And also he according

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to the the McClatchy right up here, that he worked

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with Republicans to achieve Medicaid expansion. Okay, he did not

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work with Republicans to achieve Medicaid expansion. Okay, Republicans did

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that on their own. Republicans did that, and then he

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signed it because he needed a win. He had blocked

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every budget. He vetoed every single budget, including those with

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big pay raises for teachers.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: He sacrificed everything in every budget cycle, vetoing every single

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budget except for the very last one, which was when

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Republicans expanded Medicaid, which now is probably going to be

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unwound because of the big, beautiful bill that was passed

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up in Congress that did away with the little clever

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loophole that the Republicans used in order to pass the

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costs of the expansion on to the federal government, thereby

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in seeing our national deficit and our crushing debt that

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will be paid by generations to come. Okay, so Roy

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Cooper candidate number one, well number two if he count

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Wiley Nickel.

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Speaker 1: But let's be clear, no one's counting Wiley Nickel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's it's Roy Cooper, and I suspect the

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field will clear for him. Nobody else will challenge him.

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And because my goodness, like, look what he did to

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fellow Democrats in the legislature when they crossed him. He

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primaried them, right, he got them primaried. So I suspect

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that he will issue the same sorts of ham fisted,

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heavy handed threats against Democrats that try to run against him,

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that they will have, you know, no role in Democrat

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politics if if they challenge him, I would have no

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reason to believe he would not issue a similar threat

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to his fellow Democrats like he already has in the past.

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Speaker 1: He's done him multiple times.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, he primaried these these other lawmakers because

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they didn't toe the line for him on every single

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veto override vote. And he did it with the HB

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two debate. Oh, that's right, the HB two debate. That

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might not actually be helpful to him. Now, Oh, what

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a difference fifteen years makes. But also now we have

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a Republican candidate. After Lara Trump said she will not

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run for this Senate seat, we got Michael Watley, the

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RNC chair, the former North Carolina GOP chairman. He is

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expected to run for the Republican nomination. We'll do that

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Speaker 2: All right, So we've got Roy Cooper on the Democrat side,

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over on the Republican side. This from Politico Lara Trump,

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who the President had previously asked to run. This is

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Eric Trump's wife, so Donald Trump's daughter in law. She

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has decided to remain as host of her weekly show

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on Fox News. She's expected to back Michael Wattley, with

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whom she co chaired the RNC last year, and the

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two will likely appear together in the near future. According

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to the people who were granted anonymity to discuss the

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plans in advance, public announcement is expected in the next

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week to ten days. Wattley is the chairman of the

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Republican National Committee. He's also been a key figure in

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North Carolina GOP politics and is reportedly preparing to enter

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the race. This from The Carolina Journal Wattley's anticipated run.

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Speaker 1: This is by Donna King.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Wattley's anticipated run signals a major development

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in North Carolina's political landscape. A former chair of the

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North Carolina Republican Party, I believe he held that post

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for five years, Wattley has been a close ally of

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President Donald Trump and has played a central role in

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shaping the GOP's election integrity messaging. His rise to RNC

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chair in twenty twenty four solidified his position as a

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national conservative leader with deep state level routs. Not deep

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state level, but deep state level roots okay. During his

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time as NC GOP chair from twenty nineteen to twenty

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twenty three, Wattley helped Republicans expand their legislative majorities. Supporters

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say he positioned the party for long term success in

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statewide elections. His entry could deter other Republican hopefuls, especially

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if Donald Trump offers an early endorsement, which from the

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reports I have heard from various sectors and people, that

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will occur. However, conservative challengers may emerge depending on how

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the primary unfolds. So far, Andy Nilson of the Triad

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has already declared his candidacy for the primary, supporting a

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Trump hat. Also I mentioned em earlier, Don Brown. He

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ran for Congress. He ran for the seat that Dan

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Bishop vacated when he ran for Attorney General. Don Brown

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ran for that seat. He was not successful in the

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Republican primary. Mark Harris won that seat, won the nomination,

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and then won the seat in the general. But Don

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Brown has declared plans to challenge till Us in the

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GOP primary, so we don't know if he will intend

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to continue that run. If Michael Wattley is the guy

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that walks into the race with a Trump endorsement in

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his pocket. Right, So back to the Politico story. Wattley

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was elected RNC chair in March of twenty twenty four,

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led the party, alongside Lara Trump, to sweeping victories up

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and down the ballot in last year's elections. Republicans believe

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that Wattley's connections with donors will be an asset in

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what will likely be one of the most expensive races

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in next year's elections. And that is true. Okay, that

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is true. There's a reason why Republicans believe this. It's

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because it is true.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Michael Wattley, when he was North Carolina GOP chairman, went

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all over the place and got donations from all over

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the country from all sorts of people. He brought in

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all sorts of national figures to help with various races

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up in Asheville when I was up there, he brought

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Ted Cruz to town and did a meet and greet

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campaign event at the time for I'm trying to remember

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what race would that have been twenty Probably it may

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have been the Well because Madison Cawthorne was there. Tim

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Moore was there, but he was still Speaker of the House.

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Trying to remember who it might have been Tillis. It

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may have been Tom Tillis's last reelection. That would make

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sense because that would have been in twenty Yeah, I

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think so at any rate, or maybe it was maybe

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it was eighteen, but anyway, So Wadley has a very

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thick roll ofdex and when he went to the RNC,

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now obviously the network that he is able to build

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out gets even bigger, right, and he's going.

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Speaker 1: To need that.

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Speaker 2: Any candidate is going to need that, and so he

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would be the best positioned as far as I know, Like,

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I haven't heard any other names of any other Republicans

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in North Carolina that have expressed an interest in running

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for this seat. There's also you know, you always got

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to keep in mind that it's the midterms in a

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Republican presidency, and that usually does not benefit the party

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that is in power in the White House, right, The

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president's party generally loses seats in the midterm elections, and

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you know, maybe that changes this time. It has there

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are anomalies, right that has occurred in the past, and

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so it's possible we could see that trend break differently

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this time around. That's possible, But Watley is able to

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walk in. While he doesn't have a lot of name

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ID like Roy Cooper has, he does have a huge

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fundraising donor network, not just in.

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Speaker 1: State, but out of state as well.

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Speaker 2: He's also going to likely have Donald Trump's endorsement because

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Donald Trump, you know, seems to to love Michael Wattley.

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He's he's always touting him. He's always pointing him out

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and saying Watley did a great job. So, like, I

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got to believe that Trump would make that endorsement. He

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around the time that he announces his Senate campaign. So

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I made some notes to just kind of, you know,

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handicap the race a little bit. I'm not making a prediction, don't.

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I think anybody would be a fool to make a

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prediction on this Senate race now, especially now, but even

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you know, going into the election, because North carol these

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races are always super close, these US Senate races, They're

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always very very close, you know, two points one to

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two points, that's what we're talking about. Democrats are targeting

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North Carolina as a potential pickup opportunity in a map

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that otherwise favors Republicans. This is from the political article,

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and that's true. The overall national map for the Senate

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races that are open this time around or in twenty

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twenty six. Those you know, there are a lot of

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seats that are solid Republican seats. There are a lot

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of Republican seats that they don't have to defend this

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time around, a lot of Democrat seats they do have

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to defend, and states that are purple or voted for

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Trump with a Democrat US senator that's giving them some adjita,

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you might say. So they've got some challenges. The map

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favors Republicans. We'll go over some of the handicapping notes

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Email is Pete at the Pete calendershow dot com. Here

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is one email from David If the North Carolina Senate

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race ends up becoming a battle of Wattley versus Cooper,

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with Wattley having the Trump war machine behind him, Cooper

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will get his butt handed to him on a silver

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platter multiple times. Well you only have one butt, David,

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so it will be like an old school wrestling match,

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no holds barred, loser leave town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I again, I don't make predictions on election outcomes any longer,

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not since twenty sixteen. I don't make these predictions. I'll

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just wait and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Just like you.

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Speaker 2: People can believe, you know, and hope and think that

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they can, you know, read the tea leaves, and maybe

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they're right sometimes, but nobody's right one hundred percent of

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the time. So and then of course you never hear people.

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Speaker 1: Say I was wrong. I was totally wrong. Listen to

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me for future predictions.

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Speaker 2: You know. This is from somebody on the text line

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regarding Roy Cooper. Not only am I opposed to his

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political decisions, most of which were simply vetoing legislation, but

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I really dislike his condescending way of communicating with the public.

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He sounds like mister Rogers addressing a group of kindergarteners.

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This was one of my biggest beefs with Cooper and Cohen,

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C and C during the I call them the C

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and C music factory. But anyway, during their COVID briefings,

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they talked to us like we were children, and it

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was infuriating. Now, I don't know if people enjoy being

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spoken to like that, And I'm just the outlier here,

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but I don't think I am. You know, I don't

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think I am. And I don't know if that's going

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to play as well with a like a national kind

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of audience. Maybe it does, but it doesn't really matter

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because they don't vote in our state elections. And maybe

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there are enough North Carolinians that to be talked to

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like this.

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Speaker 1: We'll see another text.

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Speaker 2: Wiley Nickel is the womp candidate, white upper middle class

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progressive womp whose base will be suburbs of places like Raleigh, Charlotte,

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and Nashville. Cooper, coming from Nash County, is the remnant

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of the rural white Democrat and has had to evolve

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to survive. Don Davis would be the BIPOC candidate if

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he chose to get in right, and I don't think

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he is getting in.

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Speaker 1: He might. I would be surprised if he does. And

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here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Roy Cooper has enjoyed that Nash County origin story and

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that you know, the super syropy southern drawl that he has,

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the you know that makes him sound like mister Rogers

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talking to kindergartners. And is that going to be enough

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to get people to vote for him in this kind

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of a scenario. I don't think so. The governor's race

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and a Senate race are different and kinds of races.

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In fact, let me jump over here and do This

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is from our buddy Andrew Dunn at long Leaf Politics,

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who spent a lot of time with Michael Wattley during

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the twenty twenty campaign when he was in charge of

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the North Carolina GOP. And in twenty twenty, that's when

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Dan Forest was running against Roy Cooper, and Dunn worked

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for Cooper or worked for Forrest, and he says what

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I saw wasn't just a sharp strategist. I saw one

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of the hardest workers in North Carolina politics, methodical, focused,

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and tireless. The US Senate, as opposed to the governor's race,

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the Senate is a nationalized race. By its very nature,

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voters care less about personality and more about direction. Who

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controls the chamber, what's at stake for the country. That's

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the arena that Wattley is built for. He's got deep

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ties to national donors as well as conservative groups. He

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knows how to assemble a campaign team, and he knows

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how to message with discipline. Most importantly, he understands what

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this race will be about, which is a referendum on

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Trump era conservatism and whether North Carolina still supports it.

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Wattley is not a flashy guy, but he is aligned

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with the current moment, and that gives him a real

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shot to win. Republicans need someone who can turn out

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the base without hemorrhaging swing voters, someone who can run

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a focused, disciplined, and well financed campaign. Wattley very well

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might be that person. Don't underestimate him. I think that's

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sound analysis. Michael Wattley will not scare off suburban voters.

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Speaker 1: He won't.

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Speaker 2: He comes across as a nice guy, right, I mean, yes,

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he's a Republican, He's a Trump Republican, and so you

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know he's going to be a to defend the issues

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and the philosophy and.

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Speaker 1: All of that.

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Speaker 2: But he's not like a fire breather like along the

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lines of say Mark Robinson, He's not that kind of

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a candidate. He's not that kind of a person. So

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he's going to be much more palatable for a lot

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of these voters that you know, I don't want to

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feel icky when I pull the lever, you know. So

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let's take a look real quick at Roy Cooper. Actually,

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hang on, he's going to take more time, So let

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me do this for These are some of the notes

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I made about Wattley.

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Speaker 1: It's true he's never been a candidate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's never run for any office before, which is

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a pro and a con. The pro is that he's

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sort of a blank slate. He doesn't have any votes

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attached to his name, right, But as head of the party,

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he's made a lot of public statements. He knows a

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lot about campaigns. He's done a lot of media, so

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he knows how all of this stuff works. He's good

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on TV and that's important. He also has a vast

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network of donors to help him. He's going to have

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a lot of people that owe him. As former North

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Carolina GOP chairman and the former RNC chairman, right, there

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are a lot of people that he has helped win

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election and so he's going to be able to call

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them up and say can you help me, and they will,

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you know, feel obliged and want to do so.

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Speaker 1: Now the flip.

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Speaker 2: Side is he's going to be tied to everything Trump

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and GOP because of those roles. Right, They're going to

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be able to say he was the GOP chairman when

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the GOP did everything right. Here's another thing. He knows

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firsthand Roy Cooper's record here in North Carolina. So unlike

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say Lara Trump, Michael Wattley was here.

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Speaker 1: For all of this.

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Speaker 2: He was, you know, boots on the ground during all

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of Cooper's term, and so he knows the stuff that

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Cooper did. He is well acquainted with the issues and

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the weaknesses and strengths that Cooper brings to the table. Now,

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one of the things Democrats are already trying to do

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is to tie Wattley to Mark Robinson. Because Wattley was

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the chair and because as chair you're trying to get

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all of your candidates elected. He came out in favor

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of Mark Robinson. He was defending Mark Robinson, he for

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Lieutenant governor. He helped to get him elected. In all

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of this, and they're going to try to hang Mark

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Robinson around Wattley's neck. So there's that one final point

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real quick on Lara Trump. Thank you and kudos to

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Lara Trump for coming out as soon as she did

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when the writing was on the wall and the reports

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broke yesterday that Cooper was going to be getting in.

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Her initial statements prior to yesterday were that she was

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going to make a decision by Thanksgiving because the deadline

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defile is December one, and that would have completely crippled

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any Republican if she decided not to run. That would

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have been four months wasted for a potential Republican candidate

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to start their race. But by immediately coming out and

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saying I'm not running for this, it now cleared the

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field because everybody was waiting for her to say whether

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she would or would not run. And I said last

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time on my live stream, she needs to come out asap,

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and I woke up this morning and she had. And

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so thank you because you have not handstrung the Republican

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dot com. Do Just Talk eleven ten ninety nine three

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WBT seven oh four five seven oh eleven ten. From

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the text line, Ronnie says, I think Roy Cooper is

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the worst governor ever in North Carolina due to his

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approval ratings. I'm afraid not enough people agree with me, though.

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The thought of him in the Senate scares me to death. Yeah,

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he will be a reliable vote for the left on everything.

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Steve in Indian Trail says, I like Laura Trump, but

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I'm glad she's not running, at least not now. Maybe

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she will run after Trump's presidency is over, which I

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would support. All Right, so let me go over some

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of the notes I've I jotted down here about Roy Cooper.

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Number one, he is popular, right, he won reelection. He's

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won all of his statewide races. He is perceived at

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least to be a moderate. Okay, people think he's a moderate,

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but he votes progressive leftists on all sorts of stuff.

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He has won every state wide race he's ever run in.

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He won in twenty sixteen, he won in twenty twenty,

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even when the state went for Trump. He can point

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to this is according to WRAL, they were correct. He

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can point to North Carolina's booming economy during his two

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terms as governor, even though the Republican led legislature is

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responsible for that.

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Speaker 1: Boom, but he will point to it.

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Speaker 2: But Michael Wattley can say, well, that was the Republican

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legislature that you vetoed everything that they tried to do.

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We boomed in spite of you. Roy Cooper has been

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able to tap into outside money and out of state interests,

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which he cultivated first in his HB two fight back

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in twenty sixteen against Pat McCrory. And speaking of HB two,

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that was a long time ago, a long time ago.

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The politics of that issue, transgender, bathroom access, boys on girls, teams,

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all of that stuff that has now changed. We were

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the canary in the coal mine on that. He was

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wrong on that issue. He was on the wrong side

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of that issue at the time, but he was rewarded

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for it because of the outside influences of money and media.

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Could he pay the price for it now? It's possible,

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Maybe he changes his stance on some of these trans

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related issues, right, that's possible now too. Cooper has never

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faced the kind of ad blitz and attacks that he's

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now going to face. Okay, the interest from out of

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state national money is it will be unlike anything he

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has ever experienced, because it's just not the same when

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you're running for governor in a weak governor state. And

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you know, Mark Robinson's candidacy like Josh against Josh Stein

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is a good example of it. People you know, started

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moving money towards the race and then you know, things

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were like, oh, we don't want anything to do with that,

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and then all the money dried up for Robinson and

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Cooper had all of the Cooper had a thick roll

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of decks as well, because he had cultivated that with

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HB two on the trans issue in twenty sixteen to

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defeat Pat McCrory. He has a weakness. I would submit

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in all of the vetos, of all of the budgets

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and all the teacher pay raises. Right, he can't claim

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credit for getting Medicaid expansion done, although he will try.

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But that wasn't him that did it. The big one,

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one of the big ones, the COVID lockdown policies, right,

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and the fact that he marched with BLM around the

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Governor's mansion with his fist in the air like the

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COMI fist and the mask dangling off of his face.

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He took his mask off during COVID. You're going to

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see that photo all over the place. That's my prediction. Okay,

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you're going to see that photo of him walking around

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with the mask because it's the perfect encapsulation of the

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elite right. I set all these rules, I lock you down,

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but then BLM comes to town and I'm going to

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march in solidarity with BLM, and I'm going to ignore

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my own mask rules because it serves a political purpose.

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Also major problem for him his disastrous respet to disasters,

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going back to the very first term twenty sixteen, Hurricane Matthew,

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Hurricane Florence, and then Hurricane Helene. They are going to

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tag him on all of that. You got people down

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East that are still not back in homes a decade

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after Hurricane Matthew, and that's on him. A recovery office

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that was so bad that Josh Stein had to set

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up a brand new office and just start from scratch.

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Where what's his position on ice? Does he have vetoes

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there that hamstrung ice? Does he have any foreign policy

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positions laid out?

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Speaker 1: He does not.

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Speaker 2: What's his stance on Gaza, because as a member of

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the Senate, you're going to have to talk about that.

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It's foreign policy related. So what are his foreign policy aims?

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Is he pro Israel? Is he anti Israel. Does he

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go full radical? What does Roy Cooper do on these issues?

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It's going to be difficult, yeah, because he may very

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well alienate his base, and if he does it early enough,

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maybe some people do end up voting for a candidate

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that's more radical progressive, left wing than Roy Cooper. Not

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enough to make him lose the primary, of course, but

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do they stay home in the general. These are all

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questions that we will be watching. All right, that'll do

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it for this episode.

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