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Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 2: Hello, pet lovers, Welcome to Best That's for Pets. I'm

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your show host Michelle Burn. Today we're going to talk

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about something that trending, but it's not that new and

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it's kind of been around for a long time, but

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my guest makes it. It's a great product and it's

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healthy for your dogs. We're going to talk about what

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it is and why. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome Elliott Shafne. He

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is the owner and founder of Jaffy's Bone Broth. Welcome Elliott.

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Speaker 5: Hi, I Michelfekin be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you. So bone blop is

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not it's not a new thing. I mean, people have

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been making broth with bones for hundreds of years, but

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it is kind of a new ish thing in the

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pet world.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 5: It is one of those things that's now starting to

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catch on in the pet world. We've been doing it

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with humans, like you said, for a very long time,

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even before it was called bone broth, it was being made,

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and it's exciting to see it now gain a lot

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more mainstream traction in the pet world.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting because it seems like there's

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trends with people, then the trends trickle down, I shouldn't

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say trickle down, but trickle to the pet world. Probiotics

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now were probiotics, peripherobabes, you know, all kinds of things.

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That's just one example, and bone broth is another. Why

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do you think it's becoming so popular now?

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you're exactly right that the trends that started

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with human integrative and natural health, it does kind of

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trickle down to the pets, you know, on a five

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to ten year delay. And interestingly enough, that's exactly how

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I came to be in this space is because I

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started doing this stuff with humans. For fifteen years, I

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had a practice doing integrative and natural health with with humans,

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and then when I started applying those methods to my dogs,

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which almost all the stuff applies directly to them, then

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I was seeing how much they were improving and how

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their health was being recovering with a big focus on

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gut health and all those natural methods. And so yes,

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it does tend to flow that way where first it

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has to become more mainstream in the human world, and

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then it becomes more mainstream in the pet world. And

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I think it's just a matter of time. In our

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society in all areas of medicine, conventional medicine, we've grown

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a custom, both for ourselves and for our pets to

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rely on conventional medicine, and that is a very different approach.

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It has its place, its time, and its place, but

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it is a different approach than the natural and integrative approach,

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and I think it just takes time for people to

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learn about it, to appreciate it, to understand the value

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of it, and to see the missing where conventional medicine

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falls short, especially if people have tried the conventional route

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and tried. I feel like they've tried everything. That's oftentimes

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when they discover natural or integrative or alternative methods and nutrition.

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So sometimes it's born out of a last resort, and

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that's why it takes a little bit longer for people

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to find it. Also, there's less commercial money in it,

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so it doesn't get as much mainstream attention. But I'm

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glad that it's trending that way.

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Speaker 2: Right, thank you. So let's talk about an example which

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you show to the world on your website about your

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first dug, Nelly am I Is that the right? And

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Nellie's no longer with us?

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Speaker 5: Correct? Right?

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Speaker 6: That was?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Nelly was my dog before for Jaffy, the namesake

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of our company, and Nelly was We got her from

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the shelter and she was older. She was in pretty

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bad shape health wise, missing a lot of fur, very,

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the skin was very inflamed, real patchy, had bad flea dermatitis,

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and she had a lot going against her. And I

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just knew not only did I just see how sweet

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she was, I knew that she had a very low

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chance of getting adopted, and I also knew that I

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could fix her with my background in the you know,

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these natural methods.

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Speaker 2: I have a question though, so with what you talked

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about earlier, as you know, more conventional. So the more

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conventional approach is, you know, you go to your vet.

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we need some creams, we need to put things on

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it and do something like that. Your method was different exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so the like you said, the conventional approach would

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be outside in right, but let's put something topical on

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a skin issue. Let's give an injection for to try

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to block something. And sometimes it's not their fault. They're

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only taught a certain set of tools, but we know

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that they're there's a lot better ways to approach it

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from the inside out and fixing the underlying root cause.

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Oftentimes it's related to gut health one way or another.

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It's usually connected to gut health. And that's certainly what

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it was with Nelly, where we focused on healing her gut.

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Bone broth was a big part of that other you know,

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herbs and nutrients. And six months later, and you can

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see the pictures on our website, almost all of our

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fur was restored, shiny coat, all the inflammation gone so

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and she was a brand new dog.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and she looks gorgeous. I mean, just it's a shocker,

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but it's wonderful that you were able to do that.

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So let's talk about Jaffee's Bone Wrop. We know why

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you created it because you shared all that and great

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information with us. What is the secret or while you

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don't want to share a secret, probably, but what makes

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Jaffee's Bone Wop different than you know, some of the

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others that are out there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question because it is something that

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we do pride ourselves on, and it is no secret.

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Were also very transparent and the beauty of it is

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it's simple and oftentimes the more simple, the better approach,

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the better. And so there's a few main key points

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that we do pride ourselves on. One is the ingredients sourcing.

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All of our bones come direct from independent or get

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antic grass fed farms here in the States. They ship

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the bones directly to us and we make everything in house.

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And you know, the beef and the bison are fully

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grass fed, grass finished, the chicken is free range, the

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elk is wild grazed in Minnesota. So starting with solid ingredients,

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which is going to not only improve the nutrient profile

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but also reduce any potential reactions to the product. Number

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two is again how clean it is. There's no other

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ingredients in whatsoever besides bones and water. That's it. No salt,

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the fat gets skimmed off, there is no additives or

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fillers of any kind.

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Speaker 2: So essentially human grade.

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Speaker 5: Everything we make is one hundred percent human grade.

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Speaker 2: Okay. And then so I'm hearing you describe this and

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thinking it probably doesn't taste that great, but that's my palate.

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but our pooches don't exactly.

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Speaker 5: And so when one key difference between ours and let's

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say something you get from the grocery store, which people

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broth and they just get whatever is at the grocery store. Which, first,

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I love the bone broth is on their radar because

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the dogs need that collagen. But yes, things like the

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salt is there for human products because it needs to

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taste good as well as other ingredients like onions and seasoning.

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So our bone broth doesn't taste like much to humans,

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but it has a lot of flavor for the dogs

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because they're a bit more attuned to that.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so let's talk about how to use it. Well,

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bone bloth stafed cats are not.

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Speaker 5: Yet absolutely yes, all you know, again, assume we're talking

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about pet based bone broth that doesn't have those other ingredients.

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all the same reasons. You just use a different amount.

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but yeah, they're usually I min two mine are kind

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of big, but I'm glad you know they're fine for

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cats too. What are some of the things because I

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can just predict this question coming up from my listeners.

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brock people are finding it in the market. There's ingredients

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that are not only problematic for your pets, but toxic.

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I don't think it's toxic, but there's other things that

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are not good. What about when people are buying things

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that are from overseas or from just you know, anything

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in the pet store and they're not really reading through

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the ingredients. Can something harmful be there that they're not

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aware of preservative wise.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, a great question to make the listeners aware of,

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and just to clarify in case the listeners are to

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catch that the it's so garlic is actually safe for

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dogs and very healthy in the right dose. It's the

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onions that is problematic and can be toxic.

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Speaker 7: I was wrong.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for correcting me.

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Speaker 5: You're dick with that, And yes, absolutely with things that

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the label that it could be problematic there. They might

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the label because there's not regulations about that, and so

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really knowing and trusting the source is huge in all

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things at nutrition and supplement related. It's really important to

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a get in the habit of reading labels and starting

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to learn what certain things are and of course if

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you can't pronounce something, that's a big red flag, but

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also starting to learn which things are unnecessary and they

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might be okay in a small dose, but if you're

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have a fully vetted source for the for the brand

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stick with trusted brands.

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Speaker 2: You know, you brought up an interesting point because you

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talked about regulation. So I know most I believe, I

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hope food for humans is regulated. That's why we have FDA,

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who knows this day and age what's going on. But

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we won't go down that path. But then let's talk

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about for pets. The regulations are a lot different.

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Speaker 5: They are, but there's a lot of semantics involved, and

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is it you know, there's differences between pet food and

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pet supplements, and it's still kind of wild West in

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terms of what is allowed. And unfortunately, there's even more

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deregulation that's on the horizon from what it sounds like,

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which might allow people to put stuff in products without

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having to disclose it or have it not be the

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same level of quality. But there are recommendations that companies

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that you follow good manufacturing processes follow because those are

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sort of the gold standard of the industry, but it's

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technically not required, and you can find products that haven't

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adhere to that available, so it's it does become very tricky,

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and even big, well known pet food brands still have

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recalls all the time, still are connected to pets having

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diseases and unfortunately dying. So there are some really hard

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working experts and allies in the integrated field that are

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putting out notices about brands to look out for and

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stuff like that, because unfortunately regulation in the pet world

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is not anywhere near what it should be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've heard also, and you were very diplomatic

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and how you were speaking about it. I've had people

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someone from Germany and this woman was just shocked. So, okay,

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Speaker 6: As your dog or cat chewed through yet another set

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of sheets, I get it, I've been there, But instead

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to Eliot Chatnehe is the

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owner and founder of Jaffey's Phone Brass. Elliott, you've provided

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such great information and first tap, let's talk about the

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listeners and pet parents that are hearing about everything that

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have decided. You know what, I have to try it.

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This is going to make my dog better. What if

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your dog is not sick? What does it do for

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your dog? I'm hearing also, you brought up gut help.

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I'm hearing that all the time these days.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And that's a great question because sometimes things like

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this aren't on aren't on people's radars because as far

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as they know, there's nothing wrong with their pet, their dog,

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and so they don't always look for things that can

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prevent things in the future. They can prolong their life.

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But that's exactly what things like bone broth can do.

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Is in the example here, let's say that there is

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nothing seemingly wrong with the pet. Things like bone broth

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is only going to improve their resilience. It's only going

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to improve their gut held. It's only going to improve

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their detoxification pathways and their antioxidant support so that they

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can have fewer visits to the vet. Down the road,

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they can add years onto their life. They won't get

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less likely to get the common dog symptoms like allergies

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or you know, dry skin or anything like that down

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the road, because the owner's being proactive by not only

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with their nutrition, but with the other components like bone broth.

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So it is it's a very proactive way to improve

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their health both in the short term but also in

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the long term and really laying a solid foundation and

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improve their resiliency for the rest of their life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and besides bone bop, because everybody knows that's a liquid,

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you also have frozen pops and you also have a

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powder form.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. We're really excited how both of those.

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Were pretty proud of our signature bone broth popsicle, same

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bone broth. It's in the pouches, but in a little

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push pop form. If if your listeners are old enough

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to remember Otter Pops it it looks just like that.

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It's like a little push pop and it reseals at

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the top. And so if your dog likes licking or

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chewing on ice, it's great for that. It's great for

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hot days, and so it's an easy, fun, enriching, enrichment

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weight for them to get in that nutrition without any

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other junk. And the powdered one just came out as well,

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which we're also so excited about because it not only

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has the bone broth powder in, it makes it easy

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to sprinkle over food or rehydrate and pour over food.

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It also has probiotics and medicinal mushrooms. And that's why

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we say on the jar that it is complete metabolic

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support because between the bone broth, the probiotics, and the mushrooms,

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it's hitting almost every system in their body again to

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both help fix any underlying issues but also to prevent them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wonderful. So where do I start with my dog

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or my cat? So what if I want to give

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some to my cat or a small dog.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the serving size just depends on the size of

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the dog. We have our servant guide on the back

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of the pouch and for smaller dogs you just use

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a little bit less. For your bigger dogs use a

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little bit more. And the liquid is the easiest way

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to do it, just to pour it over the food

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like a topper, because it's not only it's adding the

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collagen from the bone broth they need, it's also adding

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the hydration they need, which improves digestion and improves nutrient absorption.

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Speaker 2: This golden rule, whenever you're introducing any new food or

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treat or supplement to your pat you should do it

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in moderation. Over a period of time. Is that necessary

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for bone broth or can you just go from day

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one here, you go, have it on your food. You're

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going to be fine.

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Speaker 5: You're right. Usually that is the gold standard, and generally

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that's what I would suggests as a baseline for everyone.

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and you can always taper out from there. But for

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the most part, I don't think I've ever come across

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someone who had any issues with just going jumping right

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in and adding in a full serving of it because

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it not again, especially with ours, which is essentially a

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single ingredient just bones and water. There's it's super hypoallergenic

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and so there's very little risk of any issue. The

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only potential downside is if you over feed it, they

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you gave a little too much. So that is one

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one reason. Just start a little bit slow or a

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little bit less and taper up from there. But otherwise

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totally safe.

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Speaker 2: Totally safe. Okay. Now, I have gotten emails from listeners

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and we have some people with exotic pats, you know,

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so everything from goats to rabbits and ferrets, and can

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bone broth be used for different types of pets? We

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know it's good for cats, it's created for dogs. What

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about other paths?

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a question. I don't think I've ever

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gone before, and I can't speak to that because I

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had not enough of an animal expert to know which

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of those are carnivores and which are omnivores or herbivores.

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So I'm honestly not sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, So for those of you listening that

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have exotic pets, hold off for now more to come. Okay,

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what would you tell people that are hesitant to try

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bone bop? And what about heating it? Does that destroy anything? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So if the hesitation is I'd be curious what

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their hesitation is?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Why it's right? Water and rock, So nothing to be

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afraid of. There's not a whole bunch of ingredients that

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you don't understand. It's not a complicate, you know product.

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So if you're afraid, why, Right.

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Speaker 5: It's two ingredients that pets, at least dogs and cats

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should be eating on a regular basis anyway, So i'd

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be curious what the hesitation is in terms of heating it. Yes,

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you can a little bit. It will be stable. The

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nutrients and the proteins and the collagen will be stable

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to a point. I would just be careful about overheating

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it or constantly heating cooling, heating cooling, because eventually those

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proteins will denature or they'll break down a bit and

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become less active or less potent. So if you do

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have a batch in your pet prefers it a little warm,

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that's totally fine to to just sort of gently warm it.

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It can be served room temperature or cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, sometimes I wonder if the pet prefers or

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the pet parent prefers to heat a little bit, you know,

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because out in nature foods, whatever the temperature is, I

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as some warm who knows. Anyways, share with us. You

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had a great success and we actually met at Global,

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which was in March. Tell us about how exciting that

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was for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Global Pet Expo was fantastic. We had done

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Super Zoo the year last year and that was a

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very frustrate show, and so getting to go to Global,

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especially being local because we're based, you know, we're here

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in South Florida and Global there's the big big Florida

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in southeast contingency. So it was it was phenomenal and

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got to meet a lot of the new stores. So

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if anyone is near or US as a an independent

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natural health store and they don't carry us, you should

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ask them why. But it was it was great to

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meet the media like you and a lot of the

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stores that are in the region, even the dog influencers,

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and connect with them and see what else is out there.

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It's one of the cool things is when I get

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a chance to leave the booth, walk around and see

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what's new, what I haven't seen yet, and just see

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what's out there in space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a wild show. It took a little

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dive during the pandemic, but it's coming back, and it's

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every year it's getting better and better and more exciting products.

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So you do a lot of giving back and you

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have a lot of dogs on your website that you

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know they see pictures, adopted and whatever. How do you

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do that? Do you reach out to the local shelters,

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do they contact you? Do you just find a cute

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dog and say, oh, we're going to you know, sponsor

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this dog for someone. How do you do that?

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Speaker 5: It's a mix of all that. Actually, Yeah, Okay, you

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know that giving back really was a It was a

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foundational piece of the company from from the beginning. One

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of the things that we built this on was to

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be able to give back to shelters and rescues because

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and when I say we, it's it's myself and also

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my partner, she is very, very active in the rescue

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community here in South Florida and all throughout Florida. So

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part of the proceeds of our sales go towards sponsoring adoptions.

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We were talking before off air about the Broward Humane Society.

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We sponsored a few adoptions there to get some really

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sweet dogs some homes. We do quite a bit of

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fostering as well, so we try to do as much

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as we can to get you know, get dogs pulled

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and we can we can foster them for as long

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as we can until they find their home, and we

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actually have We have one foster who is I guess

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technically a foster fail, an old senior, an old senior

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guy who was just supposed to be a medical foster

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while he recovered from some surgery and cancer recovery, but

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his personality just opened up and we fell in love

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with him. So he's still with us, and we also

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have an additional foster that was pulled from the euthanasialist

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at the very last minute because he was yeah, it

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had probably one more day and then that was going

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to be it. So we got him pulled and we

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literally just found him an adopter yesterday and so tomorrow

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he's going to his home. So it's a big part

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of our life, just you know, our personal life, and

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wanted to make it a part of the business as well.

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Speaker 2: And you recently had a big success which I think

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it was local that you found a lot of dogs neglect.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well that was well, I guess you could

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call it a success. It hopefully will be a success

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in the future. But it was actually quite a scary situation.

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And again my partner went to do a transport for

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a rescue and long story short, she stumbled into a

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hoarding situation. And we'll hopefully because of even though it

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was a very bad situation for her and for the dogs,

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and it's still going on, but there's going to be

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a lot of legal action and hopefully we'll get resolved.

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But yeah, that was that was unexpected.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm so glad that we were able to come

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to the rescue. Thank you for all you do to

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save these dogs. One day there will be no cats

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or dogs. The youth and eye will be People go,

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what's that word mean? I don't even know, I've never

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heard that when we're talking about our kurbabes.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully that would be amazing.

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Speaker 2: That it would be amazing. Where can people buy Jaffee's

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Bone Broth.

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Speaker 5: Sure, the easiest way is online Jaffe'sbonebroth dot com. We

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ship everywhere. Our social media is preactive to on Instagram

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and which is Jaffie Pops on Instagram and there's a

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lot more info there. You can see kind of behind

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the scenes of how it's made. Again, we're pretty transparent

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about it. One thing we didn't touch on here in

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the interview, but if people look it up, you'll see

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that the pouches have fully edible bone bits in them,

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which is sometimes hard for people to wrap their mind around.

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But if you go on our Instagram page you'll see

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those videos of the bones is kind of smushing up

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in our fingers. So yeah, our website and or Instagram

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page is the best way. And if people have questions,

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they can always reach out through either of those and

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I respond to everything well.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you so much for coming on

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Best Bets for Pets and sharing all of this wonderful

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information and telling us about Joffe's Bone Block, and I

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wish you amazing success.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It was great to be here.

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Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed this show. I had a

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fantastic time. Thank you Elliott for coming on Best Bets

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for Pets and telling us about Jeffy's Bone Block. I

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can't wait to try it. I'm going to give my samples.

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I did try with Tilly, loved them, and now I

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know it's cots safe. I'm going to test some on

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my cats. I think you're going to have a wonderful treat.

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And it's nice and warm now in South Florida, so

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perfect timing. I want to thank everyone that's listening to

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Best Bets for Pets. I appreciate you so much. Thank you,

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Thank you. Thanks to my cat crew, Dennis, Charlotte and

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Mollie Again, thank you, Kelly. It from Jeffy's bone Block.

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Thank you so much for coming on the show. And

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the show would not be the same without the magic

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of my producer, Mark Winter. Thank you so much. Mark,

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for all you do, and remember you never know what

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we'll have next. On Best Bets for Pets.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk bets every week on demand only on petlight

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radio dot com