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Speaker 2: Jay Widner, welcome back to the show. It's good to
Speaker 2: see you.
Speaker 1: Hey, It's good to be here writer. How's it gone.
Speaker 2: It's going well. We got a lot of craziness going on.
Speaker 2: And really where I wanted to start this is back
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two with this suspicious death of Mark
Speaker 2: Leedy in Pennsylvania, where Mark Leady worked as an oriel
Speaker 2: driller and they would use this very powerful explosive material
Speaker 2: called pet in, and Candice was the one that discovered this.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if she did or if her
Speaker 2: followers did, but this is where I heard it. I
Speaker 2: heard it from her, but it makes sense to me anyway.
Speaker 2: Mark Leedy, this guy ends up dying from an explosion
Speaker 2: from burning some papers at his house in a barrel.
Speaker 2: The barrel exposed, the show upnol goes everywhere, and it
Speaker 2: hits his neck and kills him. His family is really
Speaker 2: shaken up. They don't really necessarily believe the official story.
Speaker 2: They believe that there's more to it. But this is
Speaker 2: where it gets weird because before his death, Mark Leady
Speaker 2: had taken some pet in explosives from his job. He
Speaker 2: stole some of the pet in and he had only
Speaker 2: told one person that he had done this, and that
Speaker 2: person was his best friend from high school. Then we
Speaker 2: fast forward to twenty twenty four to the Butler, Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: assassination attempt on Trump. So a man and his family
Speaker 2: bought tickets, bought regular tickets to the Trump Butler rally,
Speaker 2: just general admission tickets, and to their surprise, once they entered,
Speaker 2: a lady approached them and asked them if they would
Speaker 2: like front row seats. They were super excited about this.
Speaker 2: The family gets out escorted to the front row of
Speaker 2: the Trump rally. I mean, how many times has that
Speaker 2: really happened? Jay? How many times do you walk into
Speaker 2: an event that you bought general admission tickets for and
Speaker 2: then you're asked if you want to be front row?
Speaker 2: That really only happens in you know, a dream scenario
Speaker 2: or it happens in the movies, right, you get upgraded
Speaker 2: to the front row seats at the event. Now, this man,
Speaker 2: his name was coreytor Yeah, and this was the only
Speaker 2: person that was shot and killed that day by the
Speaker 2: would be assassin Thomas Crooks at the Trump rally right,
Speaker 2: and he was the best friend of Mark Leady that
Speaker 2: he told his secret to about stealing the pet and
Speaker 2: explosives from his job.
Speaker 1: That's pretty damning.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to think of it, right, because
Speaker 2: it gets even more crazier because sixty six stay later, right,
Speaker 2: the Israeli government packed thousands of pagers and walkie talkies
Speaker 2: with guess what pet and explosives that explos exploded simultaneously
Speaker 2: across Lebanon and Syria, that injured I believe around fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred people and killed forty two people and injured around
Speaker 2: four thousand civilians.
Speaker 1: Then net Yahoo gave Trump a golden pager think about.
Speaker 2: It, and he wasn't even president when that happened.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, So that is very strange because you actually
Speaker 1: found a link in a way between the Trump assassination
Speaker 1: and the Charlie Kirk assassination. You think about it, and
Speaker 1: then the factory in Tennessee that makes those things, those
Speaker 1: pagers that it blew up, you killed like what seven
Speaker 1: people something like that a few weeks after the Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk assassination. Yeah, it's like, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're really stuck here in the Charlie Kirk, although I'm
Speaker 1: leaning one way now more, but you know, we have
Speaker 1: two choices with it. Forget Tyler Robinson, he didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: But Alex Jones was on Jesse on fire. Jesse on
Speaker 1: Fire was on Alex Jones, and Alex Jones said to
Speaker 1: Jesse that just days after Charlie Kirk got it, he's
Speaker 1: being told by high ups in the military that it
Speaker 1: was a squib, which is initially what I thought, because
Speaker 1: the shirt goes up, you know, just like a squib
Speaker 1: lit although you would normally in a boovie or whatever,
Speaker 1: you take the shirt down so it doesn't fly all around. Clearly,
Speaker 1: if it was a squib, it was an amateur working.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do, and I got put
Speaker 1: on put in wrong, and that's why it didn't work right.
Speaker 1: And so or it was the Roadmike. It was the
Speaker 1: explosive pt etn in it and and that was malfunctioned. Also,
Speaker 1: whoever put that in it could be like Candae so
Speaker 1: that Charlie was leaned over a little bit. I caused
Speaker 1: it to go this way out the neck like that.
Speaker 1: That could be because again I mean in movies, when
Speaker 1: you use a squib, you do seven or eight takes.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like you're doing one take, so
Speaker 1: it'll be off and you have to do it again,
Speaker 1: change your shirt and put the new one on, and
Speaker 1: try it until you got looking good. So when you're
Speaker 1: doing like Charlie and you only got one chance. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that it is faked. And the reason
Speaker 1: I don't think it's faked is because if it was faked,
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk would have contacted Candace by now and told
Speaker 1: him told her to cool it, because she's blown apart
Speaker 1: the whole organization right.
Speaker 2: Pretty much ruined the entire thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ruined, and of course all the people on
Speaker 1: the right are all mad at Candace for doing that,
Speaker 1: But Canna is just trying to find the truth about
Speaker 1: her friend. I mean, you can't blame her. Those guys
Speaker 1: at Tpusair acting so damn weird that, you know, like,
Speaker 1: who wouldn't look into it the way they act. That's
Speaker 1: why I thought it was faked, because I'm not looking
Speaker 1: at these guys going, yeah, these are just a bunch
Speaker 1: of nerds. I don't think they could kill anybody, and
Speaker 1: I still, to a large degree think that. But I
Speaker 1: just I'm leaning more towards the road microphone exploding and
Speaker 1: fading away, especially the plastic and the glasses on the
Speaker 1: floor of the car. Where's the blood though in the
Speaker 1: car we got the pictures of seeing it all. How
Speaker 1: could it not be any blood at all anywhere?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that people are seeing is because
Speaker 2: I did a video that there should have been some
Speaker 2: kind of burn marks on Charlie from the mic exploding.
Speaker 2: And as I was making that video, i'd woken up
Speaker 2: that morning, I'd put it all together, and I'd woken
Speaker 2: up and I worked on the video that entire morning
Speaker 2: until around two pm, and then I released the video
Speaker 2: on Instagram and all the social media platforms, and I
Speaker 2: was like, there should be some kind of burnmarks on
Speaker 2: Charlie if the exploding microphone theory is correct. And how
Speaker 2: you would know that is if you had the autopsy photos.
Speaker 2: If you couldn't get access to the autopsy photos, and
Speaker 2: the next person that would be able to identify that
Speaker 2: would be the doctor that was trying to save Charlie's life.
Speaker 2: And if you remember, we talked about this a lotlast
Speaker 2: time we did a show on Charlie Kirk. The doctor
Speaker 2: was being blocked from returning back in to check on
Speaker 2: Charlie right to clean him up, for Erica Kirk to
Speaker 2: get there. And the reason that he would be blocked
Speaker 2: and that didn't really make a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2: Why would they want to block the doctor from going
Speaker 2: in and clean up Charlie. Well, the reason that they
Speaker 2: would want to block him is because he could go
Speaker 2: in there and identify that there was something else going
Speaker 2: on with Charlie that could have led to his death.
Speaker 2: And after he cleaned him up, then he would have
Speaker 2: seen some kind of burdmark from an explosion somewhere around
Speaker 2: his chest. And I was like, you would need to
Speaker 2: talk to the doctor because he would be able to
Speaker 2: confirm if he saw anything, or the nurses or anybody
Speaker 2: that was there that day to saul Charlie's body, they
Speaker 2: would be able to identify if there's something else going
Speaker 2: on with his chest. Right. And then little did I
Speaker 2: know that Baron Coleman had posted a photo that shows
Speaker 2: some kind of markings on Charlie's chancel, like right underneath
Speaker 2: his breast from his bright nipple there. Now people were
Speaker 2: trying to say that that was blood, that that was
Speaker 2: blood from people that were handling him and moving him,
Speaker 2: which the way that they moved him to the vehicle
Speaker 2: was criminal.
Speaker 1: Criminal. I just watched it today where I got on
Speaker 1: the show. I watched him carry his body. It was criminal.
Speaker 1: Nobody's cradling his neck, there's nobody's tending to the wounds.
Speaker 1: Nobody's doing anything actually except holding him wrong, holding in
Speaker 1: a fashion that's going to actually exacerbate everything that's going on.
Speaker 1: What they should have done, I said this before, is
Speaker 1: they should have taken off their shirts, plugged all the
Speaker 1: plugged the whole that was on Charlie, and called a
Speaker 1: damn ambulance. That's what they should have done. But there
Speaker 1: were e MT people there. They tried to give the
Speaker 1: guy in the passenger seat of the van and EMP kit.
Speaker 1: It was like that, yeah, we don't need that. We
Speaker 1: cut slams the door on him. So you know, they
Speaker 1: reject the e MT. They do not handle him in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form like you should handle somebody.
Speaker 1: They it's just it's it's it's so weird and suspicious,
Speaker 1: and you know, for sure all the suspicions is going
Speaker 1: to fall onto uh, all those people that were supposedly
Speaker 1: Charlie's friends, I mean, that's what's going to happen here,
Speaker 1: and that's what is happening, and what else? Choice? What
Speaker 1: the choice do you have except maybe he faked it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, squibs do leave marks on your skin,
Speaker 1: Yes they do. And James Kahn and The Godfather in
Speaker 1: that famous scene where he's shot like twenty five times
Speaker 1: on the bridge, that's all one take and he was
Speaker 1: equipped with twenty five squibs and went off and he
Speaker 1: had to go to the hospital. He was bruised so
Speaker 1: badly that they had to do emergency run to the hospital.
Speaker 1: So squibs do can't hurt you and leave marks on you.
Speaker 1: But so again it's two different paths down two different roads,
Speaker 1: with the evidence supporting both.
Speaker 2: But again, what would you need to destroy the microphone
Speaker 2: if it was a squib though exactly?
Speaker 1: And why would you exactly why would you need to
Speaker 1: destroy the microphone? Well, we don't know if they destroyed
Speaker 1: the microphone, do we.
Speaker 2: Well, I personally believe that the microphone is at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the sug there's not really anything else that
Speaker 2: can possibly be so exploded or someone that took Charlie
Speaker 2: in the van destroyed it to cover up some kind
Speaker 2: of evidence while they were in the van, because the
Speaker 2: way that that microphone works is that it records the
Speaker 2: entire time. I have the road I had the exact
Speaker 2: same setup right here, the road Wireless Pro that I
Speaker 2: I filmed a clockwork shining with them. We use them
Speaker 2: whenever I filmed your part for a psychic Agent, the
Speaker 2: gate program. You used it. I used it. Three other
Speaker 2: people that were in the movie also used it, so
Speaker 2: I know how these work. The actual microphone itself stays recording.
Speaker 2: There's a setting that you can as soon as you
Speaker 2: take it out of the case. It has this red
Speaker 2: mark on it that means that it's recording. Now it
Speaker 2: records directly to this. You don't need the receiver if
Speaker 2: you're just doing audio. The receiver is a separate part.
Speaker 2: And now I have the receiver hooked up to my
Speaker 2: iHome because I'm using the Road Wireless Pro on me.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely no reason that Charlie would ever need to
Speaker 2: have the receiver on his body. And you know this,
Speaker 2: even if it wasn't a microphone, and we'll never put
Speaker 2: the receiver on his body along with the microphone. The
Speaker 2: receiver is going to be hooked up to a camera or.
Speaker 1: Computer exactly, and they put the microphone under the shirt,
Speaker 1: which you would never do period. No one would ever
Speaker 1: do that. Nobody in the world. Maybe a twelve year
Speaker 1: old that doesn't know anything, but put the microphone under
Speaker 1: the shirt because it's gonna rup all the audio is
Speaker 1: going to have to be either thrown away or fixed.
Speaker 1: Very difficult to fix that too, by the way, And
Speaker 1: so that doesn't make any sense. So the only reason
Speaker 1: you'd want to put the microphone under the shirt is
Speaker 1: because it's an explosive. You're trying to hide it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense. And if
Speaker 2: you were, if you were using this, because there are
Speaker 2: the ones that you know, you hook a microphone into
Speaker 2: the actual top of the like the one that I'm
Speaker 2: using right now. It's hidden because I'm using the cable
Speaker 2: that has a little bush capacity and not capacitor, but
Speaker 2: the spongy thing on the end of it that protects
Speaker 2: you from all the noise of it under your.
Speaker 1: Shirt, the sponge protector.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm using that, so it's hidden. But if
Speaker 2: I was just using just the straight microphone, I would
Speaker 2: never put it on the inside of my shirt. I
Speaker 2: would just clip it to the outside. That's how everybody
Speaker 2: wears these that uses just the road mic without the
Speaker 2: attachment or without the cable. They put it on the
Speaker 2: outside of their shirt.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that almost nobody who has talked about this
Speaker 1: that it's such an unprofessional mistake to make that you
Speaker 1: would have to conclude that the person who put that
Speaker 1: microphone on knew exactly what they were doing.
Speaker 2: Well, there's another thing that people.
Speaker 1: Was Fonsworth, the guy that put the microphone on him,
Speaker 1: the guy that retrieved the SD card.
Speaker 2: That I'm not too sure. I haven't know, Canda says,
Speaker 2: talked about it, and she's named him a couple of times,
Speaker 2: but it's call for me.
Speaker 1: It might be worth looking at the footage before he
Speaker 1: starts talking and see who the guy is that put
Speaker 1: that mic on him, because that guy no, you know what.
Speaker 1: There's another thing though. It could be I know this
Speaker 1: sounds really crazy, but it could be that they switched
Speaker 1: somebody on the inside switched the original road with the
Speaker 1: one with the explosives, and nobody knew it but him.
Speaker 1: It could be it could be like an agent for
Speaker 1: another kind of tree right, trying to get Charlie off
Speaker 1: and the rest of them can't figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: That actually is a very high possibility. And you know,
Speaker 1: and like Tyler Robinson, what was he doing there? Who
Speaker 1: invited him there? You know, he'd never been there before.
Speaker 1: It's all very strange, you know, in going to a
Speaker 1: place you've never been, roaming around with a high powered
Speaker 1: rifle and on a campus with kids at it, people attending,
Speaker 1: and then he throws the he somehow makes the gun
Speaker 1: back together and throws it in the chicken coop when
Speaker 1: the bomb dogs come by, and they don't smell it
Speaker 1: even it just got fire, supposedly, and you know, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of inconsistencies, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: problems with the entire thing, I mean, from the destroying
Speaker 2: of evidence, from the keeping of evidence to the paving
Speaker 2: over of the crime scene, to the immediate cleaning and
Speaker 2: selling of the SUV vehicle that should have remained in evidence,
Speaker 2: to the destroying of Charlie Kirk's shirt that.
Speaker 1: Would indicate the MIC is the explosive mic is the
Speaker 1: answer says you would want you to because you would
Speaker 1: have bomb residue on the ground, you'd have to clean
Speaker 1: it all up, which they did, and paving it over,
Speaker 1: make sure that no one you didn't miss anything, and
Speaker 1: then cleaning up the van where there's gonna be bomb
Speaker 1: residue in the van, and the T shirt which is gone,
Speaker 1: and the necklace, and the concern for the necklace. Why
Speaker 1: are they so concerned about that necklace because that had
Speaker 1: bomb residue on it. They wanted to make sure they
Speaker 1: got it. And like Candace showed several witnesses and said
Speaker 1: they saw the assassination and Charlie got hit here. Oh,
Speaker 1: we got hit right in the chest right, which is
Speaker 1: really where you want to shoot somebody if you're doing assassination,
Speaker 1: because the head's too small and dicey Sturnam is much
Speaker 1: bigger and fatter and easier to hit. But and I
Speaker 1: think that was where it was. The road mike was
Speaker 1: supposed to do it, but somehow it got shifted or something,
Speaker 1: and when it went off, it went off in the
Speaker 1: wrong direction. And it's very likely nobody there even knew
Speaker 1: that that road mike had explosives in it. And they're
Speaker 1: just in a panic state ever since because the don't
Speaker 1: understand what happened.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up the necklace because I have
Speaker 2: an entire theory about that that I'm going to get
Speaker 2: into hearing just a little bit, but I do want
Speaker 2: to play a montage of a lot of the first
Speaker 2: hand eyewitnesses that were there, that gave reports to news
Speaker 2: agencies at that time. And it's so odd because they
Speaker 2: they seemed like so happy and cheerful. Yeah, they're like
Speaker 2: smiling and like kind of like laughing. I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is a very traumatic thing to have witness, no matter
Speaker 2: if you hated the person or hated the individual, Like,
Speaker 2: witnessing something like that firsthand is going to be very
Speaker 2: damaging no matter who it is. So it's very suspicious
Speaker 2: that these people are so happy, They're acting so happy
Speaker 2: and smiling and like kind of like laughing and snickering.
Speaker 2: Here where, let's watch this video. It's about a minute long,
Speaker 2: pretty terrifying. Pably is scarius thing I've ever been a
Speaker 2: part of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely going to be seeing my counselor. I will
Speaker 3: have a lot of therapy on.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, you know, this is crazy, I said.
Speaker 1: I actually mentioned, like what if something really like crazy happened? Right,
Speaker 1: not what if he got shot? I said, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's crazy right there, This guy is saying, in the
Speaker 2: middle of this this event, what if Charlie got shot
Speaker 2: right now? Like, why would you think that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's the problem of the last question
Speaker 1: that Charlie answered was about transgender violence. That's quite the
Speaker 1: coincidence since his shooter was designated as a transit not
Speaker 1: trans but a trans lover. So I don't know, it
Speaker 1: looks like, yeah, I don't know, man. So I mean
Speaker 1: with the FBI would have to be involved, right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they would would. I had to have been an entire
Speaker 2: plant thing. And these people seem like that they're what
Speaker 2: do those people called them insert themselves into an event actor.
Speaker 2: There's a different name for it, not honey pots, but
Speaker 2: crisis actors. Crisis actors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're not very good actors, that's for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is strange the guy would be laughing like that,
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Here we goes finishing this real quick, yea, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well now a few hours later, how are you
Speaker 1: dealing with what you saw?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it was a pretty traumatic experience.
Speaker 1: But we've had friends around all day, which has really
Speaker 1: been helpful.
Speaker 3: But we're definitely getting flashbacks every once in a while
Speaker 3: from it, but we're just trying to deal with cope
Speaker 3: with it. Well, a sudden just tons of blood gushing
Speaker 3: right out where his heart is and then he like
Speaker 3: fell over and slumped down, and everybody got down and
Speaker 3: was screaming, and then we all ran out straight and
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk and that was it. And I think they
Speaker 3: got him.
Speaker 2: And did you see the person who fired the shot
Speaker 2: or anything like that.
Speaker 3: No, I just knew that it came to the right
Speaker 3: of me and went just directly into his.
Speaker 2: Heart, directly into his heart.
Speaker 1: That's clearly that was part of the deal. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to come up off right here and it didn't.
Speaker 1: And and that person is a crisis actor, and they
Speaker 1: had their lines and they read their lines not realizing
Speaker 1: that they were wrong. I think she corrects herself later,
Speaker 1: by the way, like the next day she says, Oh,
Speaker 1: came out the next same girl, so you know, she
Speaker 1: got talked to her where she saw what she was
Speaker 1: doing wrong and fixed it. Yeah, there's there's the guy
Speaker 1: what's his name that said that he did it right.
Speaker 1: The older guy, how was he doing? And he threw
Speaker 1: all the cops off from chasing anybody, and so that
Speaker 1: has to be done on purpose. So yeah, to eliminate
Speaker 1: the the Tyler, Robinson and the squib theory, then there's
Speaker 1: only one theory left, and that has to be that
Speaker 1: this thing was planned way ahead of time as a
Speaker 1: precise military operation. Absolutely actors, crisis actors, people designed to
Speaker 1: push put you off the path of chasing things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only people that seem like they're honest in this
Speaker 1: whole thing are the local police. They actually look like
Speaker 1: they were trying to solve a crime. But then the
Speaker 1: FBI gets involved in Yeah, it's pretty damning. And I
Speaker 1: you ever see Trump at the press conference when he's
Speaker 1: asked about Charlie Kirk, he just ignored it question.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: I completely ignores it, didn't say anything. There's like a
Speaker 1: couple of days after this assassination, very strange behavior by Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to bring this up because no one's
Speaker 2: really talking about this. I think it's kind of kind
Speaker 2: of flew under the radar because there was so much
Speaker 2: stuff going on at the time, and looking back, I
Speaker 2: believe that this is very suspicious. Which is from the
Speaker 2: day of the assassination, when that assassination happened to Charlie
Speaker 2: kirk to Wing. Erica posted that video of her by
Speaker 2: the casket along with photos of Charlie, you know, in
Speaker 2: the casket, which everyone was kind of, you know, up
Speaker 2: in arms about, like why would you post that video?
Speaker 2: That's a really intimate time that you're supposed to have
Speaker 2: with your deceased husband. But no one talked about how
Speaker 2: short of amount of time that was from his assassination
Speaker 2: to her posting that video in that photo. Do you
Speaker 2: know how short of amount of time that was? That
Speaker 2: was two days. The assassination took place on a Wednesday
Speaker 2: on the tenth, and that video in photos of Erica
Speaker 2: next to Charlie was posted on September eleventh. I know
Speaker 2: about you, Jay, but that's suspiciously fast, Okay, With that
Speaker 2: amount of time, you were asking the public to believe
Speaker 2: that there was enough time for a thorough autopsy, cleaning
Speaker 2: of the body, embalming, and then preparation of the body
Speaker 2: for a casket reveal in just two days.
Speaker 1: That's pretty hard to believe. The thing about that video
Speaker 1: also that flips me out is how small Charlie's hands are.
Speaker 1: He was six foot five and his hands are like
Speaker 1: those like a five foot ten man's hands really small,
Speaker 1: I mean like unnaturally small. So Eric, his hands are
Speaker 1: bigger than his hands in that casket thing. And I
Speaker 1: can't understand that. I can't, I can't can't understand it,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why she even posted it. It
Speaker 1: was really strange. And you know that it's likely he
Speaker 1: hasn't even been buried yet.
Speaker 2: No one knows where he's buried.
Speaker 1: My Leianopolis said two months after it that he hadn't
Speaker 1: been buried yet. Why wouldn't you bury somebody who had
Speaker 1: been dead for two months? So that's very strange. And
Speaker 1: probably you don't want to tell anybody where he's buried
Speaker 1: because of all the crazy people go there and pee
Speaker 1: on his grave and all that. So I understand that far,
Speaker 1: but still it is strange.
Speaker 2: It's very strange for the most high profile political assassination
Speaker 2: since jfk Ye that two days after he has been assassinated,
Speaker 2: he's already ready and prepared in a tasket, and Eric
Speaker 2: is posting photos and videos.
Speaker 1: See sometimes you bring up evidence and it looks like
Speaker 1: he did fake it. You know that would be you know,
Speaker 1: that would be what you would do if you were
Speaker 1: faking it. You get something out right away as fast
Speaker 1: as you could to make everybody think he's dead. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I said, if he was still alive,
Speaker 1: he would have called Candace or had an intermediary sent
Speaker 1: her a mess. He's telling her to cool it, and
Speaker 1: she would have done it because he was her friend.
Speaker 1: Now she would have known exactly why he faked it
Speaker 1: because of you know who our greatest ally, you know,
Speaker 1: and so to get away from them. But they also
Speaker 1: could be the ones and some other ones that are
Speaker 1: famous for creating explosive little devices.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They very likely they're the ones who provided the road microphone,
Speaker 1: or at least help provide it. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think they see there's some things that make sense
Speaker 2: with that theory, and then there's some other things that
Speaker 2: mixed with the with the other theory. And you know,
Speaker 2: if if it was fake, then there's a lot of unknowns.
Speaker 2: There's a there's too many questions that come up that
Speaker 2: don't make any sense if it's fake. But if it
Speaker 2: was some kind of they.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have ever had to clean the van or get
Speaker 1: rid of it. They wouldn't have had to they would
Speaker 1: have had to get rid of the shirt because it'd
Speaker 1: be fake blood. But uh yeah, there are some things
Speaker 1: that don't make sense. The biggest thing ab all in
Speaker 1: regard to Charlie faking it is there's no blood when
Speaker 1: they're carrying him. There's no blood dropping from them. The
Speaker 1: people handling him have hardly any blood on their hands
Speaker 1: or feet or shoes, and there's no blood in the van.
Speaker 1: So that so you see, there's like this incredible disychotomy
Speaker 1: going on here and probably never solve it.
Speaker 2: It is strange. But then it's like, well, why is
Speaker 2: the why is the microphone at the exploded at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the back of the suv? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like it doesn't some things answer some things
Speaker 2: with one of the theories, and then I think that
Speaker 2: some kind of explosion makes the most sense that happened
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: But I can think of a reason why you would
Speaker 1: want to get rid of that microphone and break it
Speaker 1: up if it was a squib, because there'd be fake
Speaker 1: blood all over it. Corns are up blood, right, and
Speaker 1: so you know you might just thrown it down on
Speaker 1: the ground and smash it so that you know nobody
Speaker 1: will ever be able to find it again, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it does look like it exploded. I'm sixty percent in
Speaker 1: favor of exploding microphone, forty percent in favor of the squib,
Speaker 1: and zero percent favor that Tyler robin Uson had anything
Speaker 1: to do with being violent that day.
Speaker 2: And definitely zero percent on that one as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, poor guy and Charlie did fake it and he's
Speaker 1: railroading Tyler Robinson and Charlie, you're ashmark. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you're railroading an innocent guy and you
Speaker 1: can stop it, then I don't know what kind of
Speaker 1: person you are. So again that favors that the exploding
Speaker 1: microphone theory, because I don't think Charlie's a guy that
Speaker 1: would let somebody, you know, take a hit like that.
Speaker 1: And he said, man, he just doesn't seem that kind
Speaker 1: of guy, So you know, I don't know. Definitely, the
Speaker 1: FBI is involved in this, and definitely JD. Vance is
Speaker 1: involved in this, and Erica knows what's going on, and
Speaker 1: she's definitely lying. She has been caught lying several times.
Speaker 1: Why lie if Charlie was still alive, I lie, right,
Speaker 1: But if you were involved in his death, then you
Speaker 1: would lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then when you think about the Butler Pennsylvania thing
Speaker 2: as well, and that investigation basically being shut down with
Speaker 2: Parker Carlson basically said that Trump was the one responsible
Speaker 2: for shutting down that investigation.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's what Joe Kent said. Yep. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: what is all all about? I mean, did Trump even
Speaker 1: get shot that day? You know, they got the Secret
Speaker 1: Service person moving the photographers in right at the right moment.
Speaker 1: Why would you be moving photographers into position to take
Speaker 1: a photo if you thought there was a shooter behind you,
Speaker 1: still active in shooting, you wouldn't You wouldn't think that.
Speaker 2: The Secret Service had already taken him out by that time.
Speaker 2: I think that they took him out as soon as
Speaker 2: the shot hit.
Speaker 1: Trumps off before the sniper hit him, So it was
Speaker 1: like about eight seconds or so he had to shoot
Speaker 1: eight shots. Why he was allowed to shoot eight shots,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Since the sniper was clearly already
Speaker 1: on him, they could have stopped him at any point.
Speaker 1: That's another part of this. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's pretty weird that that guy got asked
Speaker 1: to sit right behind Trump. And hmm, there's so many
Speaker 1: things about Butler. That don't make sense. The two guys
Speaker 1: that were supposed to be watching the roof where Crooks
Speaker 1: was at they both split from their position so they
Speaker 1: didn't see him. There's two snipers clearly saw him this
Speaker 1: film with them before he shot. They're looking at him
Speaker 1: through their scopes, but they didn't do anything. And other
Speaker 1: people say they heard shots coming from the water tower.
Speaker 1: The people in the audience. Crooks trained at the same
Speaker 1: facility as the FBI and the Secret Service train at
Speaker 1: for firearms, I mean, and they washed the roof off
Speaker 1: the next day. The FBI did wow. And there's another
Speaker 1: thing about that whole thing that I've looked into that
Speaker 1: I haven't really talked much about. But in Butler, there
Speaker 1: was a pro Ukrainian advocate, a person that was pro
Speaker 1: Ukrainian in the Ukraine War, about twenty two years old,
Speaker 1: really adamant about his support for Ukraine, very radical, radical leftists,
Speaker 1: and he had Facebook and ex account and all this,
Speaker 1: and they all went silent. On that day. I went
Speaker 1: on the Butler They've never gone back, and he was
Speaker 1: threatening Trump because Trump was going to get out of
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War. He was on social media threatening Trump.
Speaker 1: I've read the threats. He should have been visited by
Speaker 1: the Secret Service, but it doesn't look like he was,
Speaker 1: and he disappeared completely the same day that Trump got shot.
Speaker 1: And let's not forget the second assassination attempt on Trump
Speaker 1: and the golf course was also a Ukrainian activist, a
Speaker 1: person who wanted to kill Trump for his position on
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War. So you can see that there's just
Speaker 1: a lot going on there, and it's just like it's
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways similar to the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Speaker 1: You can't figure out if it's fake or real. A
Speaker 1: guy dies, so that immediately makes you think that it's real,
Speaker 1: But then you find out that the guy's probably a
Speaker 1: witness to some pretty horrendous crime in the past and
Speaker 1: maybe knows a lot of stuff that he shouldn't know,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you conveniently get rid of him,
Speaker 1: and the rest of it's all fake. It could be.
Speaker 1: It really could be, And Alex Jones and Jesse on
Speaker 1: Fire certainly think that, and they're not alone. There's a
Speaker 1: bunch of military guys on the Internet that are wondering
Speaker 1: what's really going on there. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that it's more likely that it may have
Speaker 2: been a set up to kill this guy that was
Speaker 2: a witness to the guy that said that he was
Speaker 2: stealing all this explosive material, and it was set up
Speaker 2: to kill him, But it was also a set up
Speaker 2: to kill Trump. And they didn't kill Trump. They missed Trump,
Speaker 2: but they got him, and Trump wasn't supposed to survive,
Speaker 2: so then that became like a threat to him. And
Speaker 2: then since he survived, it's kind of like, hm, it's
Speaker 2: eyes White shot all over again. Right when when Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise enters into the Secret Society and then the hooker
Speaker 2: girl that he saved her life earlier in the movie
Speaker 2: from Odin up in Ziegler's apartment, right then sacrifices herself
Speaker 2: for Tom Cruise so that he can get out of
Speaker 2: the cult. Right, That's kind of like what And that
Speaker 2: person that sacrificed himself for Trump was Charlie Kirk. I
Speaker 2: know that sounds crazy, It sounds like a wild, made
Speaker 2: up thing, but it makes sense to me, like somebody
Speaker 2: has to die and Trump survived, and so therefore they
Speaker 2: switched it over to Charlie Kirk and someone had to
Speaker 2: get asked, and that person to get acted. Was Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: It was a ritual. It was a ritual sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna argue with you because it certainly
Speaker 1: looks like that, and and that would mean that the
Speaker 1: TPUSA is all in on it. And they got what
Speaker 1: how much money did they get like seven million dollars
Speaker 1: in donations right after Charlie died? I think it was
Speaker 1: worn't that Actually it was more like twenty million. So
Speaker 1: they had their sacrifice and they got their giant payoff.
Speaker 2: So it's like a double cross on Trump. Like Trump
Speaker 2: was supposed to die, they were supposed but he didn't
Speaker 2: know that, right He might have been involved and knew
Speaker 2: that something was going to happen and that somebody was
Speaker 2: going to you know, that's why they gave him the
Speaker 2: pager because that guy that died at Butler was connected
Speaker 2: to the guy that they got the explosives for for
Speaker 2: the Lebanon pagers, and they Trump was a part of
Speaker 2: this deal to get rid of him because he was
Speaker 2: a he knew more than what he was supposed to know,
Speaker 2: and little did he know that he was also great.
Speaker 2: It was like a double crossing thing. They were going
Speaker 2: to take out Trump and take out this guy, right.
Speaker 1: That makes total sense actually, and then and then that's
Speaker 1: did Trump pretty much, you know, change his positions on
Speaker 1: a lot of big subjects after that, after the shooting,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, he wasn't for the
Speaker 1: Epstein file release, well before, he was, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he wasn't didn't want to get involved in wars,
Speaker 1: but he allowed himself to get involved, really in two
Speaker 1: Iran wars, the Twelve Day War and the one that's
Speaker 1: going on right now. And he can't get out. He
Speaker 1: can't get out because if he tries to get out,
Speaker 1: Israel just start shooting at everybody again. They'll all start
Speaker 1: up again. So there's no way to get out of it.
Speaker 1: He knows there's no way to get out of it.
Speaker 1: You know, He's doing all sorts of desperate measures and
Speaker 1: none of them are working. Iran's laughing their ass off
Speaker 1: at us, and there's nothing we can do. And we
Speaker 1: got involved in all of this because our greatest ally,
Speaker 1: you know, forced our hands in it, and because they're
Speaker 1: actually not our greatest valet, there are our greatest enemy.
Speaker 1: And uh. And then Charlie was adamantly against the Iran war,
Speaker 1: argued successfully for it. Had Tucker argue with Trump about it.
Speaker 1: He argued with Trump about it. That kept us out
Speaker 1: of it. Uh. And then as soon as Charlie dies,
Speaker 1: now we're in a full scale war, which he would
Speaker 1: have been the largest opponent too, of everyone on earth.
Speaker 1: He would have been the large law, the loudest person
Speaker 1: speaking against it, cause it would have caused a big,
Speaker 1: huge drift between his wing of the party and Trump.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think you might be right.
Speaker 2: So Charlie was the one that convinced him just to
Speaker 2: do that bombing of the nuclear facilities and Iran to
Speaker 2: begin with, and not turn it into the big, huge
Speaker 2: thing than after he was dead. It's like the Long War.
Speaker 1: Well, I ran every day because more and more obvious
Speaker 1: why he got killed, because he would have been the
Speaker 1: biggest opponent to this thing. But speaking out, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a big opponent, but I'm nobody, you know, but Shirely,
Speaker 1: he would have been on Fox everywhere and it would
Speaker 1: have been spectacular. Actually, I wish I could have seen it.
Speaker 1: They took that away from us, but we probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gotten in the Iran war Charlie had he got died,
Speaker 1: because he yeah, you know, and then look at TPUSA,
Speaker 1: it's completely destroyed. They have no they have a mission,
Speaker 1: but they can't do their mission. Why because their mission
Speaker 1: is to go out and talk to college students. If
Speaker 1: they go out and talk to college students, they're going
Speaker 1: to have to answer up a lot of questions that
Speaker 1: they refuse to answer about all of the Charlie kirk assassination.
Speaker 1: So they are essentially done. There's nothing they can do that.
Speaker 1: The whole mission is you go out and talk to
Speaker 1: people and try to create a you know, alliance between
Speaker 1: different groups, and they can't open themselves up to questions,
Speaker 1: so it's not going to happen. So it's over. There's
Speaker 1: like no point even giving any money to There's nothing
Speaker 1: they can do. I mean the fun elections, I guess
Speaker 1: with all that money, But other than that, I don't
Speaker 1: see what the whole point of it is, and they
Speaker 1: don't see the whole point. The radio show that Charlie Kirkshaw,
Speaker 1: I don't know why they keep naming it that. That's
Speaker 1: kind of weird. But the radio show isn't like any
Speaker 1: kind of spectacular cutting edge radio show either. Your show
Speaker 1: is more cutting edge. So I don't know what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and all they're going to do is agree with the
Speaker 1: official line that Tyler Robinson did it and not even
Speaker 1: have hours of curiosity about all the weirdness going on.
Speaker 1: Then I can only conclud that they're involved.
Speaker 2: I don't know what evidence they actually have that Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson really did this. All of the evidence has been destroyed, Jay,
Speaker 2: all of it's been destroyed or is missing anything they
Speaker 2: can then to link Tyler Robinson they're actually doing this
Speaker 2: is gone?
Speaker 1: Do they do gun a gunpowder residue test on the guy?
Speaker 2: No? What?
Speaker 1: Oh, you probably took a shower or something and in
Speaker 1: the in between. But again, I have never seen any
Speaker 1: evidence and they seem like they're holding it from Tyler
Speaker 1: Robinson's attorneys what evidence they have so they want to
Speaker 1: arena'ty been showing it? And you know, outside of the
Speaker 1: ridiculous confession to his free lover over the text, which
Speaker 1: nobody would ever do. You just shot somebody and you're
Speaker 1: telling you everything on text about what you did. Nobody
Speaker 1: would do that, nobody. And I think that's all they
Speaker 1: got is the texting and just go to groc and
Speaker 1: ask if somebody can fake a text message on your
Speaker 1: phone and they'll tell you exactly how to do it.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's if that's all they got, they've
Speaker 1: got nothing. If they railroad that guy, that's a real tragedy.
Speaker 2: That's the first thing that they did with Oswald and
Speaker 2: the JFK assassination is they gave him a what is
Speaker 2: that called a paraffin yet yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we put a little bits of candle wax on
Speaker 1: you and they strip it off and they look at
Speaker 1: the microscope to see if there's any gunpowder residue on it.
Speaker 1: And they should have done that. They have a much
Speaker 1: more sophisticated test nowt it. That should have been the
Speaker 1: first thing because even if you take a shower, it's
Speaker 1: still like in your hair, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we shoot a gun like that, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: it in your hair. You know, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's a It will never be solved,
Speaker 1: and we can bet cash Hotel is not gonna help
Speaker 1: at all. Anyway. He's already quit and so that the
Speaker 1: Utah law enforcement officers are in charge of this case.
Speaker 1: We're out of here, so they're already out of the case.
Speaker 1: You know, anything to do with it. He's giving it
Speaker 1: back to the law enforcement. And in Utah, who would
Speaker 1: probably you know, a bunch of corrupt Mormons, right, And
Speaker 1: let's not forget the number one religion that the CIA
Speaker 1: recruits from is the Mormon religion. Yeah, after the FBI
Speaker 1: goes in and screws everything up, destroys the evidence, doesn't
Speaker 1: put evidence into cassody, then they give it back to
Speaker 1: the police.
Speaker 2: Here you go, screw all this up. Here, you can
Speaker 2: have this shut show.
Speaker 1: And of course we can figure out anything on the
Speaker 1: Utah lawnforcement side anymore. And they screwed it all up.
Speaker 1: And they're probably perfectly meaningful people be If you're get
Speaker 1: in bad evidence, it's not going to work. So that's how. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd believe that there is a serious connection between Butler
Speaker 1: and the Charlie Kirk assassination. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I think you found part of it with the fact
Speaker 1: that that guy knew the other guy, and with the
Speaker 1: explosives and the destruction of the explosive factory in Tennessee
Speaker 1: also leads me to believe that there's some kind of
Speaker 1: massive cover up. And the other thing I can't figure
Speaker 1: out is why the video of Tyler Robinson coming into
Speaker 1: the police station is missing. I don't understand that part.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Why would they not want that
Speaker 1: to be seen? And can't figure it out. But it
Speaker 1: would indicate that the Utah that Sheriff's Department is part
Speaker 1: of it. Something shady as hell.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like with the moon landing. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like with you know a lot of other things.
Speaker 2: The footage just goes missing. We don't know where it is.
Speaker 2: It was destroyed, you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 2: it's just a coincidence that the exact thing that we
Speaker 2: need to prove something is now missing or has been destroyed.
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree. And all the moon landing video is gone.
Speaker 1: All it's telematory data that the NASA guy has gone.
Speaker 1: Why would they do that because it's not real and
Speaker 1: somebody in the future will look at it and say
Speaker 1: this is real. You're trying to say here, boy, By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm going to be probably in a new
Speaker 1: TV show that it's going to do a trial of
Speaker 1: moon landings. It's gonna be a trial. The guy that
Speaker 1: is directing it, he did the O. J. Simpson trial.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that ran out all the cameras and
Speaker 1: everything and is financed by some wealthy guy in Chicago.
Speaker 1: And the first episode is gonna be did the moon
Speaker 1: landings really happen? And I'm gonna be on the side
Speaker 1: of course that they didn't happen, and then there's gonna
Speaker 1: be two other experts on the other side that says
Speaker 1: it does happen. It's going to go before a jury.
Speaker 1: They're going to show the jury deliberating, and then the
Speaker 1: judge is going to make a ruling. It's a real judge.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's going to be super interesting. I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2: That's going to be really awesome because, like we were
Speaker 2: mentioned mentioning before, I was like, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know who they're going to get to argue on before
Speaker 2: the four the four that we went, because I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look into the evidence of the alternative theories,
Speaker 2: then can't walk away still believing that we went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting thing because both sides
Speaker 1: are gonna get equal time. I don't think that's ever
Speaker 1: happened before. When is that supposed to be shooting in August?
Speaker 2: Perfect?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it probably be out this fall. I think
Speaker 1: they said Netflix is interested. We're gonna do everything, do
Speaker 1: global warming, They're gonna do climate change, They're gonna do
Speaker 1: all these subjects and have experts on both sides. So
Speaker 1: I think it's time for a show like that because
Speaker 1: we're all kind of talking past each other right now, right,
Speaker 1: and to have a show that forces everybody to have
Speaker 1: to listen to the other side. You know. My theory
Speaker 1: about where America is watching two movies right now, you know,
Speaker 1: and one movie is going and half the people are
Speaker 1: watching it, and the other movie is going half to
Speaker 1: watching it, and this half will never watch this movie,
Speaker 1: and people will never watch this movie. So nobody's watching
Speaker 1: the other side movies. So everybody's caught in little their
Speaker 1: own little world. And I think it's time now for
Speaker 1: us to, you know, start talking to each other.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing, absolutely, I agree. Well,
Speaker 2: to wrap up here, I want to present a different
Speaker 2: type of theory that I think makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 2: and it involves Charlie Kirk's necklace.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, Charlie Kirk's necklace was reportedly given to Charlie by
Speaker 2: Erica while they were dating, likely sometime between twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty before they married in twenty twenty one. Now,
Speaker 2: what's interesting about the necklace that you brought up earlier
Speaker 2: in the conversation was the FBI's interest in the necklace, right,
Speaker 2: I was very concerned after Charlie had been killed about
Speaker 2: the necklace and they were looking for it. Now, why
Speaker 2: would the FBI care so much about the necklace? To
Speaker 2: Charlie was wearing under his shirt. This was never outside
Speaker 2: of his shirt. He always wore it on the inside
Speaker 2: of his shirt, which I find very odd. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wear a necklace on the inside of my shirt too.
Speaker 2: It's actually made of shung guy that nobody knows about.
Speaker 2: But the strange thing is is the FBI knew about
Speaker 2: the necklace. Right. That would be like if something happened
Speaker 2: to me Jay, And then then the FBI said, where's
Speaker 2: Ryder's necklace? You know, first off, how do you know
Speaker 2: about the necklace? Secondly, what does the necklace have to
Speaker 2: do with anything? And I'm going to give you my theory,
Speaker 2: but I want to get your thoughts first on what
Speaker 2: the deal is with the necklace and why the FBI
Speaker 2: was so concerned with the.
Speaker 1: Neck outside of a bomb residue. I can't think of
Speaker 1: any reason why they would give the crap about the necklace.
Speaker 1: They even sent what's his name, Frank Turk back to
Speaker 1: the van that's where he found it. Why did that?
Speaker 1: I mean just a necklace, you know. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really don't outside of the bomber residue. What's your theory.
Speaker 2: Well, Erica Kirk is now in possession of the necklace.
Speaker 2: She now has a necklace and reportedly wears it every day,
Speaker 2: just like Charlie Kirk award every day. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: play the video in slow motion of what was going
Speaker 2: on underneath Charlie Kirk's shirt at the moment of the assassination. Here,
Speaker 2: and you've seen this a lot. Everyone has seen this.
Speaker 2: His shirt lifts up, looks like the necklace is lifting
Speaker 2: up out of his shirt from underneath his shirt. It
Speaker 2: doesn't look like that. It doesn't look like the microphone, right,
Speaker 2: the microphone isn't lifting. It's the necklace that's lifting under
Speaker 2: his shirt. And the FBI wasn't after the after the microphone, right,
Speaker 2: They didn't say where's the microphone at we need Charlie's microphone. No,
Speaker 2: it was his necklace. They wanted to know where his
Speaker 2: necklace was. Okay, so what's the chances that it wasn't
Speaker 2: the microphone that exploded. The explosive device was inside of
Speaker 2: Charlie's necklace.
Speaker 1: And it blew the mic up, and it blew.
Speaker 2: The mic up, that's why the mic was destroyed. Yes, boom.
Speaker 1: Well that is a really good way to cause a distraction,
Speaker 1: isn't it, because everyone would think it would be in
Speaker 1: the mic right or well then wowike, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to think about that theory. But if you are right,
Speaker 1: because isn't there a shot of the of the necklace,
Speaker 1: like coming out the back of the neck underneath the shure.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is that if it was the
Speaker 2: mic explosion that's on his right side. Well, what's the
Speaker 2: chances that that's not close to his heart that's going
Speaker 2: to hit him in the right side where the mic is.
Speaker 2: That's not going to be a fatal woe. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's going to hurt him. If that was their goal
Speaker 2: was to explode the mic that's on the right side.
Speaker 2: You would want the mic in the center or to
Speaker 2: the left by his heart, right, but it's on the right.
Speaker 2: So if you have the necklace, the necklace that hangs
Speaker 2: down into the center of his chest, right where his
Speaker 2: heart is. If you explode the necklace, the necklace lifts up, turns,
Speaker 2: shoots out the side, hits him right up the.
Speaker 1: Neck, and then Charlie like he might have leaned over
Speaker 1: and it was like slipped this way a little bit
Speaker 1: or something right and then went out through the neck,
Speaker 1: which is quite possible. Actually, you wouldn't want to do
Speaker 1: that with the squib, that's for sure. So you couldn't
Speaker 1: fake the squib with a necklace. It's impossible, But you
Speaker 1: could put a bomb in the necklace, which means that. Yeah, Eric,
Speaker 1: have you seen the video of the palm pistol Pete,
Speaker 1: You know the guy every way says it shot the
Speaker 1: palm pistol. You know that right five minutes before he
Speaker 1: does this. Yeah, he goes like that, puts hand up.
Speaker 1: Four minutes, he does this, three minutes, he does this,
Speaker 1: two minutes, one minute. I think he's the guy that
Speaker 1: ignites the explosion. I think that's what he's doing. It's
Speaker 1: not a polem pistol, it's the ignition switch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And everybody that's running towards Charlie after it happens
Speaker 2: is putting stuff in their pockets like they're they're more
Speaker 2: concerned with grabbing things off the table and putting them
Speaker 2: in their pockets instead of like checking on Charlie.
Speaker 1: What is doing to Charlie? And then his hands stands up.
Speaker 1: You see that one. Charlie's hand goes up? What are
Speaker 1: we doing here? Right? And that must be what it is?
Speaker 1: Didn't they necklace break? Did the chain break? Is that?
Speaker 1: Did I hear that? Right?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that there was that it either broke
Speaker 2: off in the car or somehow got out from around
Speaker 2: Charlie's knakin was in the vehicle, because that's where they
Speaker 2: found it was in the vehicle and they retrieved it.
Speaker 2: And then Erica is the one that ended up getting
Speaker 2: the necklace. But it's the only thing.
Speaker 1: The bottom of his shirt or out completely.
Speaker 2: So the necklace would have been the thing that calls
Speaker 2: the explosion. And when you look at the necklace it
Speaker 2: has it's like the circular type of necklace that comes
Speaker 2: out at four sides, right, so one side this way,
Speaker 2: one side down. It's a cross. It's across the necklace
Speaker 2: and the one side could have shot to the right,
Speaker 2: hit the microphone exploded the microphone, but not to the
Speaker 2: point that it would like that it was in that
Speaker 2: it would fall out of his shirt or whatever. But
Speaker 2: whenever they're lifting them into the van, they're carrying him
Speaker 2: by his legs, so they're carrying him like flat into
Speaker 2: the suv, so there wouldn't have been much time for
Speaker 2: it to actually slip out of his shirt. And then
Speaker 2: that's what is because I had this theory and I
Speaker 2: was watching it and then I was like, well, it
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense because how did the microphone get
Speaker 2: exploded at the bottom of the floorboard on the suv?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, well, if it was the necklace,
Speaker 2: the next necklace calls the explosion and hit the mic,
Speaker 2: and that's why it's lay And that's why the FBI
Speaker 2: is so concerned with the necklace. If there was the
Speaker 2: microphone that exploded, there would be more concerned with where's
Speaker 2: the microphone. Let's get up all the microphone pieces. But
Speaker 2: the microphone was the symptom of the necklace exploding.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a pretty good explanation for it because it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it could be the mic when the
Speaker 1: mic is up here, I mean, yeah, well, definitely something
Speaker 1: happened underneath that shirt, and and it was enough to
Speaker 1: break the necklace, which is pretty weird to break the
Speaker 1: chain of a necklace. How could that happen? A gun certainly,
Speaker 1: but shot couldn't do that. It hit the necklace. And
Speaker 1: the concern about the necklace is concerning candasis and asked
Speaker 1: herself this, how come Canada sized and said, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: if the microphone's up here, how do you get shot
Speaker 1: over here? Right?
Speaker 2: I think she's got so much stuff going on that
Speaker 2: it's hard for her to keep track of everything. People
Speaker 2: are emailing her all the time with saying things, and
Speaker 2: she's just trying to, you know, do the best that
Speaker 2: she can. She's got so much information going on. But
Speaker 2: it's the only thing that makes sense, because you wouldn't
Speaker 2: plant an explosive planning on hitting somebody in the chest,
Speaker 2: because that's all that was obviously the goal.
Speaker 1: Of the plant.
Speaker 2: We just listened to the lady that was a witness
Speaker 2: there on the news station that it hit him in
Speaker 2: the chest, and then a couple of hours later she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I hit him in the neck. So you would never
Speaker 2: plant the explosive on a non fatal side of the
Speaker 2: body that you're planning on hitting them in the chest
Speaker 2: because this is a non fatal side. The right side
Speaker 2: is a non fatal side. I mean, it's going to
Speaker 2: be damaging and if you're don't get to the hospital
Speaker 2: in time, then you're probably going to bleed out, but
Speaker 2: it's not going to be vital, like the thing is
Speaker 2: hanging in the center of your chest.
Speaker 1: Damn, Charlie got killed by his wife's president and it's
Speaker 1: a crucifix. He was a devout Christian. Wow, So I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about it, but the if it was
Speaker 1: a shape charge at the back of the crucifix, I
Speaker 1: guess yeah, it would work, and then it would spring
Speaker 1: up from doing that, just like it does in the shirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, springs up, twist, twists a little bit from the explosion,
Speaker 2: and then because right as it happens, the shirt lifts up,
Speaker 2: and then I would imagine that the necklace inside of
Speaker 2: his shirt turns just a little bit, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: the explosion that's coming out the It would be the
Speaker 2: left side of the necklace in it. It explodes out,
Speaker 2: twists a little bit, and then boom hits them right
Speaker 2: in the side of the neck.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There is a video of the necklace, the chain
Speaker 1: coming out of the neck of the top of his shirt.
Speaker 1: So whatever the force was, it was enough to push
Speaker 1: that necklace chain like out out the back of the
Speaker 1: shirt for a second.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's what I think. Nothing that that's
Speaker 2: the most plausible explanation of what happened.
Speaker 1: And tips at candas dot com write her and tell her.
Speaker 2: Tips the candles.
Speaker 1: You should tell her because I mean, it's it actually
Speaker 1: helps her theory make more sense.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe sure, watch this go to of us talking
Speaker 2: about it. And I think she's on break right now.
Speaker 2: I think she'll be back for a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: or so, so maybe she'll get time to watch it.
Speaker 2: When I'm sure she gets so many theories and so
Speaker 2: many people talking that it becomes a blur. But I
Speaker 2: think it's very plausible and it really makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense when you think about it.
Speaker 1: It's the only thing that makes sense when you think
Speaker 1: about it. Actually, the microphone theory doesn't really hold water
Speaker 1: at this point because it's not anywhere near the wood,
Speaker 1: so how could it even be happening. It has to
Speaker 1: be the necklace. It has to be, and that would
Speaker 1: explain why they're in such a rush. And of course
Speaker 1: the necklace must have some damage to it too.
Speaker 2: Let's see that necklace.
Speaker 1: It could be a completely different necklace by now.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, I would definitely be fixed and repaired
Speaker 2: and all that by now for sure.
Speaker 1: Well that's a wild one, super wild one.
Speaker 2: But that's what I think happened. And I think it's
Speaker 2: highly palmusible when you think about it, when you look
Speaker 2: at the footage, how it happens. Something's going on underneath
Speaker 2: the shirt makes sense that it exploded outward, and I
Speaker 2: don't believe. And of course I'm not a ballistics expert
Speaker 2: like people that you know talk about. You're not a
Speaker 2: ballistic expert, so you can't talk about this stuff. Yeah
Speaker 2: we can. We can all put two and two together
Speaker 2: here when things don't make sense. I don't need to
Speaker 2: be a freaking ballistics expert to put two and two
Speaker 2: together to realize exactly what's going on. Okay, nobody does so,
Speaker 2: But a thirty odd six is I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to create that much wain and from a singular
Speaker 2: bullet to lift his shirt all the way up like that,
Speaker 2: in his necklace out the back and his necklace up
Speaker 2: like that. It's just not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a ballistic expert, but I know it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do that. It's not it's no anything. If anything,
Speaker 1: that shirt's going to go inward, not outward. So it's
Speaker 1: going to push in so no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: The shirt is the secret to the whole entire crime.
Speaker 2: It's good. It's a good thing he's wearing a white
Speaker 2: shirt too, because if it would have been a black shirt,
Speaker 2: we know that they love doing the black shirt thing.
Speaker 2: They did the same thing with Oswald. They switched him
Speaker 2: into a black shirt so whenever he was shot, you
Speaker 2: couldn't see any blood.
Speaker 1: No blood. No, it's curious that he's wearing a white
Speaker 1: shirt that day.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, because it would have been very it would have
Speaker 2: been a lot more difficult to see exactly what was
Speaker 2: going on in the movement of the shirt.
Speaker 1: If it was a black shirt, yeah you would. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, well that's a thing's going on.
Speaker 1: Pardon me.
Speaker 2: So that's what I think is going on. I think
Speaker 2: it's solid to.
Speaker 1: Put it up in a video. Put it on, let's
Speaker 1: let the world see it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, Jay, thanks so much for coming on and
Speaker 2: talking with me about this. Can you let people know
Speaker 2: where they can find you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got My new film will be coming out soon,
Speaker 1: Invisible Universe. You can find me on YouTube, reality check
Speaker 1: and Jay Widner dot com has all my free writing
Speaker 1: and all my films are up on Amazon or Gaya.
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Speaker 1: Hmm