1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,800 At this point, the jury has deliberated for twenty four 3 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:13,480 hours and forty minutes and we have not yet had 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,920 a verdict returned. Now, the cynic in me says, oh boy, 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,839 that spell's trouble for the prosecution. But in reality, it 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,519 is probably just the fact that the jury is being 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,240 as cautious as possible with the evidence, going through everything, 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,119 trying to make sure they don't miss anything, and hopefully 9 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:40,280 getting to a point where they're almost ready to return 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,840 a verdict. I know we all wanted a quick, you know, 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,240 slam the door kind of verdict, but the reality is nothing, 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,479 as far as Galaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein is concerned, 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,320 is ever cut and dry. Nothing is ever door slammed 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,200 shut and moving on. It is always a song and 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,840 a dance. There's always a hiccup, and there's certainly always 16 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:13,040 some roadblocks, and this is no different. There was no 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,159 way that this was going to be a cut and dry, 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,760 you know verdict right back the next day. That's just 19 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:22,000 not how any of this trial or any of this 20 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:27,840 case has proceeded. So now what the judge has done 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,200 is she has told the jury that they're going to 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,439 have to start staying an extra hour each day until 23 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:38,200 they hammer out a verdict, so that gives the jury 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,079 an extra hour to, you know, try and come up 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,560 with a decision one way or the other. But my 26 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:49,599 guess is that we're dealing with a holdout or two 27 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,599 within that jury room and they probably need more evidence. 28 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:57,760 They want to see more to be convinced. That would 29 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:00,519 be my guess. I don't know what else could be 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:06,280 holding up the proceedings that like this, but usually when 31 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:09,080 you have something like this as far as an issue 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,520 in the jurors room them not being able to come 33 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:15,080 up with a verdict, there's usually somebody who needs more convincing. 34 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,479 So my guess is that's what's going on here. With 35 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:25,280 all of this extra request for notes and transcripts and 36 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,080 all of that stuff. They're just trying to be very thorough. 37 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,280 So we'll have to see what they come up with 38 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:34,680 in the next day or two or three, or whatever 39 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:37,000 however long it's going to take them at this point, 40 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,960 but you would think that they're starting to get close 41 00:02:41,039 --> 00:02:47,120 to a point where it's almost verdict time. So this 42 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:50,280 morning we have an article from the Dailymail dot com 43 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:56,960 and the author of this article is Caleb Brantley. Headline 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,159 Glenn Maxwell. Jurors begin their fifth day day of deliberations 45 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,919 after judge urges them to stay an hour later until 46 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,039 they reach a verdict in the case, and defense objects 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 to asking the jury to hurry it up. And honestly, 48 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:14,479 as much as I've been critical of Glene Maxwell and 49 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,919 or defense, I'd feel the same way. I wouldn't want 50 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,000 the jury to be rushed if I was the defense. 51 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,759 Let them take their time, let them have another day. 52 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,840 That's what I'd be saying as the defense. So I 53 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:30,960 could definitely see Maxwell's team here getting a little bit upset, 54 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,840 feeling like the jury might be being rushed or whatever. Will 55 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,919 this finally be judgment day for Gallaine Maxwell. The jury 56 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,919 in our federal sex trafficking case begins its fifth day 57 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:47,680 of deliberations after failing to reach a verdict on Monday 58 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,319 when it requested a transcript of testimony of the ex 59 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,000 boyfriend of one of the survivors and the definition of 60 00:03:55,159 --> 00:04:00,280 enticement one of the charges related to that victim. Has 61 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:04,240 now deliberated for twenty four hours and forty minutes, or 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,800 just over three working days. So they asked for the 63 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:12,680 testimony here because they're trying to corroborate what was said. 64 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:17,920 They're trying to make sure that the survivor her story 65 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,519 matches up with what the other witness was told. That's 66 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,839 what the jurors are trying to get in line here, 67 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,439 you know, make sure everything's on the up and up, 68 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,639 make sure they didn't miss anything, and make sure they 69 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:36,360 have all of the pertinent information that is available to them. 70 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,680 But like last week, this will be a short week 71 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,040 for the proceedings because of the New Year holiday. The 72 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,279 jury will deliberate today and Wednesday, and if they don't 73 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:50,000 reach a verdict, we'll take a break until Monday. Boy, 74 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,800 there're sure are a lot of breaks going on in 75 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,759 this case. Huh, what are we looking at now? The 76 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,160 third break? We had a three dayer, had the holiday break. 77 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:01,639 Now we need a New Year's I mean, we're gonna 78 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,759 need a break from the break soon. I'll tell you what, 79 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,000 every job I've ever had, there's been no breaks for 80 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,160 me when it comes to the holidays. Certainly not when 81 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,959 there's a huge project to work on. But once again, 82 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,000 really what it comes down to, and I'll say this 83 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:25,040 until the cows come home. The whole entire scheduling process 84 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:30,360 here has been straight dodo from the jump. When this 85 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,079 trial was supposed to originally kick off on July twelfth, 86 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,199 that was the perfect time to do this. There were 87 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:41,639 no holidays, perfect weather, there was no surge of COVID. 88 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:45,000 But no, they had to get it delayed. They had 89 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,600 to move it all the way back to the holidays. 90 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,959 They had no idea. This is their first rodeo. This 91 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:53,079 is the first there uh figuring out that there's going 92 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,839 to be a bunch of hiccups because of the holidays. 93 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:02,720 The federal government is absolutely useless. I know, I know 94 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,120 a lot of you out there are big time fans 95 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:08,639 or your boy Biden or big time fans a Trump 96 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,360 or whatever it may be, but breaking news, they are inept. 97 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:19,240 The whole entire federal government is inept. On Monday, in 98 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,720 a surprise move, Judge Alison Nathan urged the jurors to 99 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:26,160 stay an hour later each day. Sessions will now end 100 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:30,759 at six pm instead of promptly at five. Maxwell's lawyer 101 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,519 Laura Meninger had argued that giving the jury such an 102 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,920 instruction was beginning to seem like urging them to hurry up. 103 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,560 Prosecutor Alison Most said that it was within the court's 104 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,560 discretion to ask the jury to stay longer. Judge Nathan 105 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:48,399 initially told Menager, I have the discretion to set the schedule, 106 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,480 and I can do it over your objection. She later 107 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:54,399 said she would add the qualifier to the jury that 108 00:06:54,439 --> 00:06:57,199 they should take all the time that they needed. I 109 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,560 mean that goes without saying, but I could see the 110 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:04,040 point that Menager's making here. I certainly wouldn't want it 111 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:07,600 to seem like my client's fate is being rushed because 112 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:14,720 of a holidays scheduling issue. Again, this whole entire logistical 113 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:18,199 planning of this trial has been trashed from Jump Street. 114 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,199 This should have never been a trial like this in 115 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:31,199 the middle of the holidays. There was also intense legal 116 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,959 debate around a note from the jury which asked whether 117 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,199 or not they could convict Maxwell on one of the 118 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:39,480 counts related to Jane if they thought Maxwell aided in 119 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:43,800 arranging her flight home from New Mexico. Prosecutors wanted to 120 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,639 refer the jury to their instructions, while Maxwell's lawyers argue 121 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,399 that the answer should be nu. Judge Nathan said that 122 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:54,360 the note was ambiguous and told the court, I don't 123 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:57,600 know what the question means. It's too difficult to parse 124 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,040 factually and legally. She referred to the relevant part of 125 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:06,319 the instructions she had read out before they began their deliberations. 126 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,279 So as the jury seeking some more clarification, Judge Nathan, Well, 127 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,319 she can't be bothered to provide that, can she? I 128 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:17,560 mean how I mean, it's too difficult to parse factually 129 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,319 and legally, So just refer to the instructions that she 130 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:24,680 read out before they began their deliberations. I know, if 131 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,319 I was a jury I'd be like, what the fuck 132 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,720 does that even mean? But here we are another day 133 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:40,240 in the many fiefdom of another judge in America. Earlier 134 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,639 in the afternoon, the jury sent notes asking for transcripts 135 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:48,679 of testimony from Epstein's former pilot David Rodgers and Gregory Parkinson, 136 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,360 the former Palm Beach police officer who recorded the video 137 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:55,440 of the raid on Epstein's house in two thousand and five. 138 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,159 So we know that Dave Rogers was a huge part 139 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,679 of Jeffrey Epstein's machine. The first pilot hired top notch 140 00:09:06,759 --> 00:09:10,480 fly boy, flying Epstein and his buddies all over the place. 141 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,240 You know the whole nine. So David Rogers his testimony 142 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:19,360 was pretty important. It put people in places, put people 143 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,960 in the company of Epstein and Maxwell and all of 144 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,840 that stuff. So his testimony provided a lot of corroboration 145 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:36,000 for the assertions made by the prosecution. The jury had 146 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:39,840 also asked for a transcript of testimony from one accuser's 147 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:43,399 boyfriend and stationary supplies as they began their fourth day 148 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:47,440 of deliberations. An hour and a half after starting on Monday, 149 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,679 the jury sent a note asking for different colored post 150 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,399 it notes, a white paper board, and highlighters in different colors. 151 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,399 So for those of you who have worked in an 152 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,679 office environment, you know that post it notes are a 153 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:03,679 huge u jaha key to making sure everything runs correctly. 154 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:05,679 I can't tell you how many times I would leave 155 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,320 post it notes for my assistants or my supervisors when 156 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,679 I managed the sportsbook, I would use those posts it 157 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,320 They'd be all over the place, so I could see 158 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,159 why the jerry would want to use them as well. 159 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,639 It really helps keep things in order, no doubt about it. 160 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,240 The Jerry also asked for the testimony of Matt, the 161 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:29,600 boyfriend of the accuser Jane, who corroborated her account of 162 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:33,799 being recruited and abused by Maxwell and Jeffrey Ebstein aged fourteen. 163 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,919 They requested a definition of enticement. One of the two 164 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:41,480 charges that relate to Jane include Maxwell enticing her to 165 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,720 be sexually abused by Epstein. And these are important little things, right, 166 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:52,840 little bits of detail, the enticement, the actual traveling portion 167 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,399 of it, the moving the girls across state lines for 168 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,080 the express purposes of being sexually abused. These are the 169 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,879 things that are really going to provide jeopardy for Galenne 170 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:09,360 Maxwell here. In my opinion, I think that Glenn Maxwell 171 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,320 is really going to feel the heat from these enticement charges, 172 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:18,440 the grooming charges, and with the testimony we have heard already, 173 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:20,799 I think it's going to be very hard for the 174 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:27,720 jury not to take that stuff into account. After taking 175 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:31,639 questions from Maxwell's lawyers and the prosecution, Judge Alison Nathan 176 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,879 directed the jury to two parts of the jury instructions 177 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:38,679 for a definition of enticement. She gave them the additional 178 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,000 instruction that could mean attracting, inducing, or alluring, using hope 179 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,039 or desire. And that's exactly what Maxwell was doing, isn't it. 180 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,759 She used their hopes, The girl's hopes, their desires, their wants, 181 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,919 their dreams, held their needs against them. She promised them everything. 182 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:03,159 She promised them modeling jobs, she promised them jobs. As 183 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,720 massuse is that Jeffrey Epstein was a great benefactor. He 184 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,440 was going to take care of them, He'd pay for school, 185 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,440 all of that stuff. And in reality, all she was 186 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,360 doing was normalizing the abuse, normalizing the fact that Jeffrey 187 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,360 Epstein was an abuser. And if they just kept on 188 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,720 keeping on that they'd get these benefits, but they'd have 189 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:29,759 to provide, you know, Jeffrey Epstein with these sexual services 190 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:40,360 in return. Maxwell walked into court looking relaxed, having spent 191 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Christmas also her sixtieth birthday in prison. She wore a 192 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:47,360 light brown turtleneck sweater and a black mask and hugged 193 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,480 your lawyers one by one as her sister Isabelle sat 194 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,720 in the public gallery. Maxwell's lawyer, Jeff Pagliucci, told Maxwell 195 00:12:55,039 --> 00:13:00,720 happy birthday and Happy Christmas. Happy Christmas? Huh? Happy birthday? Well, 196 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,919 how about and a happy New Year to you in jail? 197 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,159 How about one of those? Because I'll tell you what 198 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:13,679 I don't see how Maxwell's getting out of prison here 199 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,399 I don't see how she's not going to get convicted, folks. 200 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,200 I mean, look, I know it's ten tenuous right now. 201 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:23,000 Right not knowing what the jury's doing, what they're up to, 202 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,840 what they're thinking, definitely has everybody on edge, me included. 203 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,840 But I think that there's enough here. I think there 204 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,480 was enough, provided that the jury is at the very 205 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,720 least gonna come back with convictions on the more the 206 00:13:36,759 --> 00:13:39,440 most serious of charges at the very least. Now that's 207 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,039 my guess, right, But when you're dealing with the American 208 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,759 justice system, especially when one of our so called elite 209 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:53,679 is involved, all bets are off and you never know 210 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:59,879 what sort of tom fuckery is going to occur. Her lawyer, 211 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,159 Bobby Sternham, requested that Maxwell be allowed to wear a 212 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,279 K ninety five mask at all times, and not just 213 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,200 in court. Maxwell had a different mask on in her 214 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,360 holding cell. Judge Nathan said anyone entering the courthouse had 215 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:15,879 to wear a K N ninety five or an N 216 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:18,919 ninety five in the courthouse as per a ruling that 217 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,320 took effect on Monday and required all visitors to wear 218 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,559 such masks due to the rise in coronavirus cases. Well, 219 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,600 if everyone has to wear the N ninety five, then 220 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:32,000 what was the point in wearing the cloth masks in 221 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:35,480 the first place. I guess that's a conversation for another time, 222 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,399 so I won't digress. But I mean, in the words 223 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,559 of Michael Irvin, come on, man. The jury of six 224 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,679 men and six women ended their first week of deliberations 225 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Wednesday without reaching a verdict, forcing the British socialite co 226 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,639 conspirator General all Around Scuzbag and by Peedle Serpent to 227 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,360 spend Christmas behind bars. Maxwell, who facing eighty years in 228 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:04,639 prison if convicted, has been in custody at the Metropolitan 229 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,879 Detention Center in Brooklyn, which she's described as a hell 230 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:11,279 whole since her arrest in July of twenty twenty. Look, 231 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,559 I can't even disagree. All of those lock ups are 232 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:18,320 hell holes. They're all shit bird establishments, they're all run 233 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,159 by absolute morons. But with that said, Glan Maxwell made 234 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:24,240 her bed and she's certainly going to have to lie 235 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:27,360 in it. If it was you or me or your 236 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,559 cousin Joe, we'd be rotting away in prison right now 237 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,720 and nobody would be hearing any of our nonsense. Nobody 238 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,799 would be hearing about how we're being treated like Nelson 239 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,360 Mandela or Hannibal Lecter. Nobody would care, nobody would listen, 240 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,399 none of it. So why should we care now that 241 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,320 it's Glenn Maxwell's turn? Why should we care that one 242 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,480 of our modern day robber barons is finally feeling the burn. 243 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,399 Jerors began weighing her fate on Monday last week after 244 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,679 hearing closing arguments in the three week trial, and deliberated 245 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,360 for two full days before going home for the holidays. 246 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:13,080 On Wednesday, the Jerry sent one note requesting three transcripts, 247 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,159 but failed to come to a decision. Maxwell has maintained 248 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:19,360 her innocence, and her lawyers have bashed her accusers of 249 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,720 having false memory and being motivated by money. In legal 250 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:27,399 filings earlier this year, Maxwell claimed her treatment in prison 251 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:30,440 is so bad it would be fit for Hannibal Elector. 252 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,080 Again with the Hannib Elector stuff, It's just so ridiculous, 253 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,279 so ridiculous that of all the people that have been 254 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:42,279 incarcerated unjustly, all the people who have actually been wronged 255 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,879 throughout time in the American prison system and elsewhere, you 256 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,000 bring up a fictional character and Hannibal Lecter. So that's 257 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:55,080 what two thousand dollars an hour buys you, huh, but 258 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,360 they are not appropriate for a fifty nine year old 259 00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:00,919 woman who poses no threat to anyone, Maxwell lawyers claimed. 260 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,799 At one point, Maxwell barricaded herself in the video conference 261 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:08,400 room in prison with a card of legal documents, prosecutors claimed, 262 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,319 and was deemed a security threat by blocking the door 263 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,240 and preventing guards from accessing the room. Near the end 264 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,799 of Wednesday, the Jerry asked for another copy of a 265 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,559 transcript from the accuser known as Jane's testimony. They also 266 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,119 asked for the testimony of Kate, another accuser, and Epstein's 267 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,319 former Palm Beach House manager Jana Lessi. Given the option 268 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,640 to deliberate on Thursday, the Jerry said no because they 269 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,240 had made other plans. They said in a note, Maxwell 270 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,119 sixty denies six counts of recruiting and transporting underage girls 271 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,599 for her former boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein. Let's not let them 272 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:48,079 get away with that nonsense, former co conspirator, former partner, 273 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,039 former boss co boss. I should say, you mean, not 274 00:17:54,319 --> 00:18:02,279 farmer partner. That's ridiculous, her former boyfriend ridiculous. On Tuesday, 275 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:05,079 the second day of deliberation, the jurors appeared to be 276 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,000 zeroing in on two accusers. They deliberated for the whole 277 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:12,559 day Tuesday and send four notes to the judge, including 278 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,400 one which related to Annie Farmer, the only accuser publicly 279 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,640 identified in court. They wanted to know if they could 280 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,960 use her testimony for two counts of conspiracy to entice 281 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:27,920 and transport an underage girl to engage in sex acts. Now, 282 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,960 this is where I think Maxwell's gonna get absolutely hammered, folks. 283 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,839 I think she's gonna get nailed for these charges for sure. 284 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,680 The transportation charges. There's no way to deny this. She 285 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:40,000 was on the plane with these girls. These girls left 286 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,680 one state, went to the other state. I honestly have 287 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:45,519 no idea how the defense thinks they're gonna get off 288 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:50,240 on those charges. Judge Nathan said she would tell them 289 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:53,319 they could. Earlier, the jury asked to see notes of 290 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,519 an FBI interview that Carolyn gave in two thousand and seven, 291 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:59,319 the first time she spoke to law enforcement about being 292 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,079 acute of being abused by Epstein. Judge Nathan said that 293 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,559 it had not been entered into evidence, so they couldn't 294 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:09,240 see it. However, the jury could refer to its mention 295 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,559 in Carolyn's cross examination by the defense. At ten ten am, 296 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,759 after just an over an hour of deliberating on Tuesday, 297 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,559 the jury sent its first note. Judge Nathan said that Jerry, 298 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,720 we're asking for the transcripts of testimony from Jane, Annie, 299 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:28,559 and Carolyn, but did not mention Kate. Kate is the 300 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:32,000 only accuser whose claims should not be considered crimes as 301 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:35,240 charged in the indictment. Again, I know we talked about 302 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,720 this a little bit last night, but why are you 303 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:40,920 even bringing Kate up here and putting her through this 304 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:47,839 if her charge, her accusations aren't even in the charging indictment. Now, 305 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,839 if that's the case, you're going to be bringing people 306 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,119 up to give their testimony about what happened to them 307 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,839 under Epstein even though it's not being charged. Well, where's Virginia, 308 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,640 Where's Maria? Where are some of the other survivors. The 309 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,119 jury were not brought out, and Judge Nathan said she 310 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,680 would give them the transcripts in the deliberation room. Maxwell 311 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,400 walked into court wearing a black turtlenecks, wet pants, and 312 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,000 black pants while folding a green folder. She hugged her 313 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:19,839 lawyers and waved at it in the public gallery. Maxwell's 314 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:23,680 defense delivered closing arguments Monday afternoon, telling the jury that 315 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:27,160 she is an innocent woman wrongfully accused of crime she 316 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:32,079 did not. In her closing remarks, Maxwell's lawyer Laura Meninger said, 317 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,640 the government has failed to prove any charge beyond a 318 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,759 reasonable doubt, and the only correct verdict in this case 319 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,359 is not guilty on each count. Uh what? The only 320 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,200 correct verdict in this case is guilty on all counts, 321 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:48,200 guilty on all counts, not even charged guilty, guilty, guilty, 322 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:53,839 That's the proper verdict. The defense again attempted to discredit 323 00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:57,599 the accounts of the four accusers, as managers stated, the 324 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,920 evidence has established what we told you. It would that 325 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,920 the stories relied on relied on by the government, our 326 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:08,359 err and his memories, manipulation and money. But in this 327 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,920 case the order is reversed. The money brought the accusations 328 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,759 to the FBI, where their personal injury lawyers sat right there. 329 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:19,680 So again, it's all about the money, right Remember that, folks, 330 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,000 Remember how they tried to frame this, Remember how they 331 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:27,920 tried to set the girls as money grubbing prostitutes. Basically 332 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,240 is what they're trying to call them, and we all 333 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:32,920 know the reality is that these were just young girls 334 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,599 when they first met Maxwell and Epstein. We all know 335 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,400 the reality is Maxwell and Epstein's behavior towards them set 336 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,599 them on this course. As for how Maxwell was betrayed, 337 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:46,559 Menager said that she had been made to look like 338 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,920 Ruela Deville and the Devil Wears Prada, all wrapped up 339 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,559 into one. I mean again with the fictitious character references. 340 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,359 Menager said the lawyers manipulated their stories and the government 341 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,440 accepted their stories without even corroborating them. Menager said that 342 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,839 suddenly the accusers recovered memories years later. She said the 343 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,240 recovered memories that Glaine was involved, that Glaine was there, 344 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:14,640 and that Glaine was the culprit. Menagers said that the 345 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,000 prosecution spent a lot of time talking about Epstein's lifestyle, 346 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:21,519 about his wealth and property and his private planes, just 347 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:25,440 like a sensationalist tabloid would. Well, all of that stuff 348 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,839 has to be discussed, right, It's all part of it. 349 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:31,319 It's all pertinent, and it all plays into what Epstein 350 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,640 was up to. If you're going to set the table, 351 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:38,960 you gotta make sure you have the plates Menager said 352 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,079 that Epstein was a master manipulator who abused his money 353 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,279 and his power. So did your client. She said, we 354 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,559 are not here to defend Jeffrey Epstein. He is not 355 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,279 my client. But she added Glaine Maxwell as not Jeffrey Epstein. No, 356 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,480 she's his underboss. She was his right hand. She was 357 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,200 the person who was putting things into motion. That's who 358 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:03,400 Glenn Maxwell was. The idea was that Glaine was there. 359 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:07,319 She must have known. Meninger criticized prosecutors for showing the 360 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,279 jury dozens of photos out of thirty eight thousand seas 361 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:14,079 from Epstein's New York home in twenty nineteen. She said, 362 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,119 where are the other thirty one nine hundred and sixty photos? 363 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,680 Who was in those photos? Was it other girlfriends? Other women? 364 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,359 Nor should the jury draw any inference from Epstein keeping 365 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,920 photos of Maxwell men Meninger asked the jury that if 366 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,400 an ex boyfriend or girlfriend had photos of them, would 367 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,839 that make them Menainger condemned the use of such images 368 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,880 as straight up sensationalism, when in reality we know that 369 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,319 they set the table, When in reality we know that 370 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,119 it paints a picture and the whole Well, if you 371 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,119 had pictures for your partner. Would that make you a 372 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,839 sex offender? Well no, but if there were literally dozens 373 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,200 of girls coming forward making those accusations, they'd have to 374 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,599 be taken seriously. No. So here we are, folks, waiting 375 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,799 on the jury once again, after twenty four hours and 376 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,240 forty minutes of deliberation, still no verdict. So we'll be 377 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:10,440 here for it, hanging out, watching the news and waiting 378 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:14,960 for that verdict to be out. So until then, folks, 379 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,279 I hope you all have a great morning. I'll be 380 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:21,279 back later on, obviously with the evening update. Also context 381 00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:24,799 episodes come in your way, and if there is something 382 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,119 that happens as far as the verdict or whatever a 383 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,000 little bit earlier, we'll hop on and we'll get started then. 384 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:32,599 All right, folks, I hope you all have a great 385 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,559 day and I will be back later on. If you'd 386 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,480 like to contact me, you can do that at Bobby 387 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:43,799 Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bbuy cap you 388 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:48,160 Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me 389 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:54,359 on Twitter at bo bbuy underscore cap you Cci. The 390 00:24:54,400 --> 00:25:00,880 link that we discussed is in the description box. What's 391 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,400 up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein chronicles, Well, 392 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,599 there is still no verdict in the Gallaine Maxwell trial, 393 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,640 as the jurors embarked on another full day of trying 394 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,279 to come to a conclusion as to whether Ghlaine Maxwell 395 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,200 is innocent or guilty. Now, the jurors up until this 396 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,759 point had deliberated for over twenty four hours in total, 397 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:35,160 and with today, we're pushing that into the thirties. So 398 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:38,400 at the end of the day to day they sent 399 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:42,759 Judge Nathan, meaning the jurors sent Judge Nathan a note 400 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:45,839 letting her know that they were making very good progress 401 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:49,559 and that they didn't want to spend the extra hour 402 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,680 there today and get back at it tomorrow morning instead. 403 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,519 So kind of looks like if you're trying to attempt 404 00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:00,480 to read the tea leaves here that the he might 405 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:08,319 be pushing forward and getting closer and closer to a decision. Now, again, 406 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,880 when we talk about the length of time it's taking 407 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,440 the jury to deliberate, I know that it's frustrating for 408 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,079 a lot of people. It's frustrating for me as well, 409 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,319 But I try to keep the mindset of if it 410 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,200 was me and it was my fate hanging in the balance, 411 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,400 I'd want the jurors to be deliberate as well. I'd 412 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,160 want them to take as much goddamn time as possible. 413 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,559 So as long as they're doing their due diligence right, 414 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,079 as long as they're looking at all of the evidence 415 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,400 and poring over it and trying to figure out what's what, 416 00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:47,119 I can't be too critical of the jurors. Now. I 417 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,599 think I've stated it enough times by now to have 418 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,119 you all understand that my real issue is just the 419 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,240 scheduling of this in general. It was scheduled poorly. The 420 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,559 logistics around it were terrible, and once again the federal 421 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,440 government shows you that they have no idea what they're doing. 422 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:13,480 It's an absolute joke. Did they really think that the 423 00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:19,359 holidays weren't going to impede this process? Now I get 424 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,640 it that Maxwell's original trial date should have been postponed 425 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240 after the superseded indictment. You have to give the accused 426 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,160 time to properly defend themselves, so I understand the delay 427 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,640 in the whole process. That's again not my issue. The 428 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,920 problem is the timeframe that was chosen. We needed to 429 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,359 do this right around the holidays and make it difficult 430 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,759 on everybody. We needed to make it an issue with 431 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,960 all of this stop and start, a break here, a 432 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:55,480 break there. All right, let's break for the New Year holiday. Now. 433 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:01,839 So logistically it was planned poor from the beginning, and 434 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,039 what they should have just done is had the trial 435 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,440 begin the first of the year, you know, the first 436 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,680 week of January, and then you have all of the 437 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,559 holidays out of the way and you're moving on with things. 438 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,599 But no, they like to make it difficult, don't they. 439 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,359 So now here we are start stop, start, stop, and 440 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,880 hopefully we're at a point now where that's over. But 441 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,880 up until now that's exactly what it's been. Get the 442 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,759 car going, bah, then it stalls. Get the car going again, 443 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,920 then it stalls. I feel like Daniel LaRusso and the 444 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Karate Kid when he goes to pick up Alli with 445 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,200 his mom and they have to push start the car. 446 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:48,880 That's what the federal government's like. So we wait now 447 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,920 for the jurors to come to their decision, right, And 448 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,160 as we're waiting, there's a lot of other issues that 449 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,559 are popping up. You got an omicron bomb dropping in 450 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:02,160 New York. And I don't care where you stand on 451 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,559 the whole debate about COVID one way or the other. 452 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:08,160 The fact of the matter is it's going to impede 453 00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:13,079 what's going on here perhaps, and whether you believe it's 454 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,880 real or it's not, it really has no bearing on 455 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,240 the actual facts of the situation, which are it's a 456 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,200 very likely possibility that this omicron could have some sort 457 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,880 of adverse effect on this trial if things aren't moving 458 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,359 in a quicker manner. So there certainly are a lot 459 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,920 of pitfalls hanging around this whole entire issue right now, 460 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,599 and hopefully we get it all put behind us very soon, 461 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,799 because the longer it goes, the more issues that are 462 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,720 going to arise, and the more chances are that something's 463 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,160 going to be a miss and this lady's gonna end 464 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,039 up walking. And I just can't even think about that 465 00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:58,440 at this point. It is so absurd to think that 466 00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:00,519 this lady would get off on some kind of weird 467 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:06,240 technicality or loophole because the jury was rushed or something 468 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:09,599 like that. And don't think they're not already thinking about it. 469 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,880 They are. That is how Maxwell and people like her role. 470 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,480 It is a game of loopholes and technicalities. This is 471 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,640 the last resort for them actually being in a courtroom 472 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,960 and having to defend themselves. They don't even like to 473 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,160 get to that point, folks. Their whole goal is to 474 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:31,200 destroy you before you can even get to court. But 475 00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,319 now that they're here, you better believe if there's a loophole, 476 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,039 if there's a technicality that presents itself, they're going to 477 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,400 sink their teeth into it and they're gonna ride that 478 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,200 bitch all the way home. So that's one of my 479 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,039 biggest fears is the longer this goes on, the more 480 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,799 you know technicalities that pop up, and the more chance 481 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,480 Maxwell has to leverage one of those into freedom. So 482 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,559 with that said, let's take a look at what the 483 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,319 AP has to say about today and what went down 484 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,839 in the courtroom and what we can expect moving forward. 485 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,599 Headline citing COVID judge Prod's Gallaine Maxwell Jerry to work 486 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:20,079 overtime deliberating sex trafficking charges. This article was authored by 487 00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:25,039 Tom Hayes and Larry Neumeister for the Associated Press and 488 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:31,680 the article is running in The Orlando Sentinel. The Jerry 489 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:35,119 weighing the fate of the jury weighing the fate of 490 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,519 Glaine Maxwell said Tuesday they were making progress. At the 491 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,720 end of the fourth full day of deliberations at the 492 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,720 closely watched sex trafficking trial, where a judge express concern 493 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,559 New York City's coronavirus search could derail the proceedings. I mean, 494 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:54,480 imagine you want to talk about a firestorm of people 495 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:59,359 showing up with conspiracy theories. Let this trial be impeded 496 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,119 or de railed by a coronavirus or anything else, and 497 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,960 I guarantee you it will be a bedlam. Everybody will 498 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,920 have a theory, a conspiracy theory, everybody will have, you know, 499 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,799 speculation on what happened, and it will be an absolute 500 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:22,400 shit show. So they better hope that that doesn't occur. 501 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,079 They better hope that they keep this thing moving in 502 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,240 a nice I would say, fluid matter, but that hasn't 503 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,400 been the case. It's been rather clunky. But they better 504 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,160 hope that the proceedings keep on going, keep on moving, 505 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:39,519 because if you try and stop this for the omicron 506 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,960 outbreak in the middle of this trial when the jury's deliberating, yeah, 507 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,720 I'm sure that people are gonna have a field day 508 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:51,839 with that. Judge Allison J. Nathan granted jury's request to 509 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160 leave at five pm, an hour earlier than plant, but 510 00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,839 told them they were expected to work toward a verdict 511 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,720 the rest of the week if needed. Earlier Tuesday, Nathan 512 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,240 told lawyers out of the presence of the jury that 513 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:09,039 the astronomical spike in the number of coronavirus cases necessitated 514 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,680 jurors working longer hours. Hey, look, sometimes you got to 515 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,079 bite the bullet, right. How many times have you folks 516 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160 been at work and there's some project with a deadline 517 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:21,720 and you might not even been involved with this project, 518 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,839 but you have to see it through. You have to 519 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,920 get it over the finish line. And that's what the 520 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,920 jurors are going to have to do here. Perhaps work 521 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,759 a little bit longer, clock a few extra longer hours 522 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,440 and get to a resolution, because again, we can't have 523 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,319 this being derailed by the coronavirus. We're two years into 524 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,359 this pandemic now. There should be no way in hell 525 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,960 that any kind of pandemic or anything like this is 526 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:54,960 derailing trials such as these, Especially after Judge Nathan had 527 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,359 the audacity not to have a call in line. How 528 00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,720 many people would have stayed home and not went to 529 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,920 the if there was a call in line. And then 530 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,359 now you're going to talk about, oh, things might get derailed. Yeah, 531 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,800 no thanks, you better keep it moving. We now face 532 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,039 a high and escalating risk that jurors and trial participants 533 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,239 may need to quarantine. Nathan said, we're simply in a 534 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,039 different place regarding the pandemic than we were a week ago. 535 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,079 I can agree with that. Right, the numbers are exploding, 536 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:31,239 there's no doubt. But as far as it impeding the trial, 537 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,400 are we really that's what we're going to do. We're 538 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,119 even going to talk about that zero chance that these 539 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:44,199 proceedings or any others should be interrupted by omicron or 540 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,960 coronavirus or anything else. We have the technology where we 541 00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:51,599 can contact people in space. You mean to tell me, 542 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,039 you guys can video chat this one home. And again, 543 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,079 there should not be any of these percent that don't 544 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,960 have call in lines for us, the general public, the populace, 545 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,320 the citizens to call in to hear what's going on, 546 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,920 to keep an eye on things, for transparency matters. And 547 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,079 that's in the best of times, in the middle of 548 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:16,920 a pandemic that's raging, you would think that you'd want 549 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,760 to give the option to people to call in as 550 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,400 opposed to going there and spreading it or catching it 551 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:29,199 or whatever it is. But no, instead Judge Nathan ruling, 552 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920 like you know, she's a feudal lord in her own 553 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,960 little fiefdom. Decide we're not going to have any phone 554 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,400 in line. No big deal. During the first week of deliberations, 555 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,800 the jury stopped at five pm, but Nathan told jurors 556 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,519 late Monday that they should be prepared to stay until 557 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:51,199 at least six pm moving forward to moving forward. Despite that, 558 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,599 the judge agreed to release them early after they assured 559 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:57,639 her in a note, our deliberations are moving along and 560 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,239 we are making progress. Now. That little gem there from 561 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920 the jury leads me to believe that they are making 562 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,480 some progress. I highly doubt they'd come out and say 563 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,639 that if they weren't making progress, or they weren't getting 564 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:14,199 closer to the finish line. And like I said earlier today, 565 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:18,599 I wouldn't be shocked if there is a verdict tomorrow, folks. Now, 566 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:21,679 I wasn't too sold on today being the day for 567 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,719 the verdict, but tomorrow sounds pretty juicy. And I have 568 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,519 one of those gut feelings again, just a gut feeling, 569 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:33,119 no information from no sources. I don't have any exclusives 570 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,639 here on this podcast. That's not what we do but 571 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:40,320 my gut says that it's very possible that we'll see 572 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,920 a verdict tomorrow. And with the jury sending that note 573 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,440 to the judge and declining to work the extra hour, 574 00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:54,519 you would think that they are getting closer. The judge 575 00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:58,079 told lawyer she was considering informing jurors she would require 576 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,679 deliberations every day, including the New Year's weekend if necessary, 577 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,639 until they reached the verdict, but after defense lawyers pushed back, 578 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,360 she chose Tuesday to not tell jurors that weekend deliberations 579 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,199 were a possibility. So look, hey, if they got to 580 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,559 work on the weekend, then so be it. Right. Look, 581 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,360 this is very important that justice has served here, that 582 00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:23,079 these survivors are given the justice that they deserve after 583 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,760 all of these years. I think that we could work 584 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,440 on the weekends to make that happen. Null. I mean, 585 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,039 where do I sign up to work on the weekends. 586 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,760 I'll continue to do it. I haven't missed a day 587 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,880 since like August of twenty and nineteen. Around these parts, 588 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880 folks mean to tell me you can't work an extra 589 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,440 weekend to see this one home? Come on now? Fueled 590 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,440 by the omicron variant coronavirus cases, in the city have 591 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,400 rocketed from an average of about thirty four hundred a 592 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440 day in the week in the week that ended December 593 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,039 twelfth to twenty two thousand in the week that ended Sunday. 594 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,320 That's a little bit of the creud going around, a 595 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,320 little bit of the old kooties making a comeback. I 596 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,199 know here in Vegas were up a lot too with 597 00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:12,119 the caseload people who are testing positive. But the good 598 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,320 news is it seems to be a bit more mild, right, 599 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,360 not as many hospitalizations or severe death or illness. So 600 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,239 I guess if we're going to look for some silver lining, 601 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,679 there's that at least. Laura Meninger, a defense lawyer, told 602 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,000 Nathan on Monday that any suggestion that the Jerry stay 603 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,639 later is beginning to sound like urging them to hurry up. 604 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,559 And again, I think it's important to talk about that 605 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:41,119 for a second. It's important to make sure that there 606 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,400 is no wiggle room for Glenn Maxwell and her lawyers. 607 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,000 It can't look like the judge is trying to hurry 608 00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:51,719 the jurors up to make a decision here. Now, she can, 609 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:56,440 you know, try and move things along, nudge them along procedurally, perhaps, 610 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,559 but she can't give the impression that she's pressuring the jurors. 611 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,639 So I actually agree with that, and I'm glad to 612 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,800 see that that doesn't seem to be what's going on here, 613 00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:12,639 because again, you know that Menager and Everdell and Sternheim 614 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,880 and the rest of them, they will latch onto that 615 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,400 we would object to trying to urge them to stay 616 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,199 later if they're not asking to do so and aren't 617 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,920 expressing any difficulty in proceeding with the deliberations that they 618 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,440 are currently undertaking. Menagers said, so, if you want to 619 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,920 read the tea leaves and take a look behind the curtain, 620 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,039 perhaps here's a place to do so. Now, obviously, the 621 00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,760 prosecution is totally fine with the judge saying, let's get it, 622 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,760 move on, let's get going, and the defense here is saying, nah, 623 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,280 take your time. The longer it takes, the better it 624 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,079 is for us, at least if you're looking at it 625 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,400 from the outside looking in. That's what the appearance is 626 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,000 that the defense wants this to go as long as possible, 627 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,079 and the prosecution, on the other hand, wants things to 628 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,199 get moving. They want the jurors to come to that decision. 629 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,840 They want this conviction, and they want to get this 630 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,440 show on the road because the longer it takes, the 631 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,199 longer Maxwell is, you know, percolating over here, the more 632 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,440 chance there is that one of these jurors is a 633 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,960 holdout or the jur doesn't agree with the rest of 634 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,519 the jurors and looking at a mistrial or a hung 635 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,559 jury or something like that, and boy, oh boy, again, 636 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,440 then we start back at square one. And while that 637 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:36,159 is absolutely a disgusting thought for all of us, imagine 638 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:42,519 how the survivors would feel. Mettinger noted that the jury 639 00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,280 was continuing to request transcripts of trial testimony and other 640 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,400 materials that indicate they are working diligently to decide six 641 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,360 charges alleging Maxwell played a crucial role in Epstein's sexual 642 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,400 abuse of teenage girls between nineteen ninety four and two 643 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,920 thousand and four. And I have to agree with Meninger there, 644 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,079 as much as it pains me to do so. It 645 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:07,719 sure looks like they're doing their due diligence. Right. Look, 646 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000 you're not gonna find somebody more cynical of the federal 647 00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,719 government or the way they go about trials and situations 648 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,639 such as these. But I think that the jurors are 649 00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:19,880 doing it the right way, trying to get as much 650 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,920 information as possible because it's very important, right How can 651 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,920 you decide somebody's fate if you do not have all 652 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,000 of the information that's necessary for you to do so. 653 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,920 So then taking their time. I don't see that as 654 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,599 a huge hit for the prosecution per se, but the 655 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,119 longer it goes, it certainly seems like the defense seems 656 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:48,239 like it's a good thing for them. Defense lawyers have 657 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,480 said Maxwell sixty is being used as a scapegoat by 658 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,880 prosecutors after the US government was embarrassed by Epstein's suicide 659 00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,360 allegedly at a federal jail in Manhattan in August two 660 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,880 thousand and nine, nineteen, while he awaited a sex trafficking trial. 661 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,920 Maxwell was arrested in July twenty twenty and has remained 662 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,400 in jail after Nathan Repeedialy rejected Bell attempts, including a 663 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,519 twenty eight and a half million dollar package with twenty 664 00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,800 four hour armed guards to ensure she did not flee. 665 00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:23,079 Now imagine the hubris of all of that. Imagine thinking 666 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,519 that because you have a bunch of dough, you're gonna 667 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:27,559 pay some armed guards and you're still gonna be running 668 00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,599 around free as you wait for trial. You think any 669 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,599 of us would be afforded that? Most of us are lucky. 670 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,760 We can pay our bills, never mind hire armed guards 671 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,960 to protect us while we await our fate for human 672 00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:45,159 trafficking charges. The hubris of it all is just It's 673 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:50,880 insane to me. Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges in 674 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,880 Palm Beach County in July two thousand and eight. He 675 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,079 admitted he hired local underage girls to provide sex and 676 00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,760 erotic massages at his own. His sentences been referred to 677 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,800 as a sweetheart deal that allowed him lenient work release 678 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,840 while he served about thirteen months of an eighteen month 679 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,159 sentence followed by a year of house arrest. Yeah, they've 680 00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:12,440 been treated so poorly, I mean, the whole lot of 681 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,000 these people, Huh, Maxwell and Epstein, they've all been treated 682 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:22,000 like Hannibal Lecter and Nelson Mandela. Then here back in reality, 683 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,639 we all realize that they've always gained the system. They've 684 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,639 never been treated shitty ever in their lives. So of course, 685 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,599 when you get hemmed up, you're in prison, you're in jail. 686 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:34,639 It kin kind of seems like a whole New World, 687 00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:39,960 doesn't it. An investigation by the Florida Department of Law 688 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,800 Enforcement focused on former Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry 689 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,559 Krisher's decision not to aggressively prosecute sex abuse allegations against 690 00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:53,639 Epstein over a decade ago, Epstein's generous work release privileges 691 00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,880 in jail, and allegations that Epstein had sex with young 692 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,920 women while under the jail supervision. Investigation found Epstein received 693 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,840 deferential treatment in jail, but no evidence was uncovered that 694 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,599 suggests count official officials broke any laws. No, they never 695 00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:13,000 uncover that, do they whenever they have their internal investigations. 696 00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:16,119 Do any of these law enforcement people ever go to prison? 697 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,119 You gotta literally be caught on tape, like with what 698 00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,719 happened with George Floyd for there to be any chance 699 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,400 of these scumbags to go to prison. And all of 700 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,320 these bureaucrats in these positions like prosecutor and you know 701 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,920 the rest of it, grow some backbone, you bunch of cowards. 702 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,559 These men and women are much more concerned with their 703 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:43,239 future political life than they are with doing the right thing. 704 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,239 And if you're not looking to put people like Max Wallen, 705 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,880 Epstein behind bars. Law enforcements should not be the career 706 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,719 for you. Maybe you should try Walmart Greeter, maybe you 707 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,039 should go and try bartender. But law enforcement official going 708 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:03,360 after people like that, obviously a lot of these people 709 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,800 aren't built for it. And that goes doubly for what 710 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,519 went down in Florida. Well, folks, we're waiting on that verdict. 711 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,280 Tomorrow morning. We'll be back, same time, same bat channel, 712 00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:20,000 all that good jazz with our morning update, and we'll 713 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,239 go from there. Right, that's all we can do. See 714 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,719 what's gonna happen, See what kind of curveballs are throwing 715 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,639 our way, and you know, roll the punches. So with 716 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,639 that said, we're gonna wrap it up for this evening 717 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,440 and I will be back tomorrow morning like usual. So 718 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,840 I hope that all of you have a great evening. 719 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,440 If you'd like to contact me, you can do that 720 00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:45,280 at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's Bo bby 721 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,920 c ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can 722 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,920 also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore cap you Ceci. 723 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,079 The link that we discussed can be found in the 724 00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:00,199 description Bob s