Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
At this point, the jury has deliberated for twenty four
hours and forty minutes and we have not yet had
a verdict returned. Now, the cynic in me says, oh boy,
that spell's trouble for the prosecution. But in reality, it
is probably just the fact that the jury is being
as cautious as possible with the evidence, going through everything,
trying to make sure they don't miss anything, and hopefully
getting to a point where they're almost ready to return
a verdict. I know we all wanted a quick, you know,
slam the door kind of verdict, but the reality is nothing,
as far as Galaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein is concerned,
is ever cut and dry. Nothing is ever door slammed
shut and moving on. It is always a song and
a dance. There's always a hiccup, and there's certainly always
some roadblocks, and this is no different. There was no
way that this was going to be a cut and dry,
you know verdict right back the next day. That's just
not how any of this trial or any of this
case has proceeded. So now what the judge has done
is she has told the jury that they're going to
have to start staying an extra hour each day until
they hammer out a verdict, so that gives the jury
an extra hour to, you know, try and come up
with a decision one way or the other. But my
guess is that we're dealing with a holdout or two
within that jury room and they probably need more evidence.
They want to see more to be convinced. That would
be my guess. I don't know what else could be
holding up the proceedings that like this, but usually when
you have something like this as far as an issue
in the jurors room them not being able to come
up with a verdict, there's usually somebody who needs more convincing.
So my guess is that's what's going on here. With
all of this extra request for notes and transcripts and
all of that stuff. They're just trying to be very thorough.
So we'll have to see what they come up with
in the next day or two or three, or whatever
however long it's going to take them at this point,
but you would think that they're starting to get close
to a point where it's almost verdict time. So this
morning we have an article from the Dailymail dot com
and the author of this article is Caleb Brantley. Headline
Glenn Maxwell. Jurors begin their fifth day day of deliberations
after judge urges them to stay an hour later until
they reach a verdict in the case, and defense objects
to asking the jury to hurry it up. And honestly,
as much as I've been critical of Glene Maxwell and
or defense, I'd feel the same way. I wouldn't want
the jury to be rushed if I was the defense.
Let them take their time, let them have another day.
That's what I'd be saying as the defense. So I
could definitely see Maxwell's team here getting a little bit upset,
feeling like the jury might be being rushed or whatever. Will
this finally be judgment day for Gallaine Maxwell. The jury
in our federal sex trafficking case begins its fifth day
of deliberations after failing to reach a verdict on Monday
when it requested a transcript of testimony of the ex
boyfriend of one of the survivors and the definition of
enticement one of the charges related to that victim. Has
now deliberated for twenty four hours and forty minutes, or
just over three working days. So they asked for the
testimony here because they're trying to corroborate what was said.
They're trying to make sure that the survivor her story
matches up with what the other witness was told. That's
what the jurors are trying to get in line here,
you know, make sure everything's on the up and up,
make sure they didn't miss anything, and make sure they
have all of the pertinent information that is available to them.
But like last week, this will be a short week
for the proceedings because of the New Year holiday. The
jury will deliberate today and Wednesday, and if they don't
reach a verdict, we'll take a break until Monday. Boy,
there're sure are a lot of breaks going on in
this case. Huh, what are we looking at now? The
third break? We had a three dayer, had the holiday break.
Now we need a New Year's I mean, we're gonna
need a break from the break soon. I'll tell you what,
every job I've ever had, there's been no breaks for
me when it comes to the holidays. Certainly not when
there's a huge project to work on. But once again,
really what it comes down to, and I'll say this
until the cows come home. The whole entire scheduling process
here has been straight dodo from the jump. When this
trial was supposed to originally kick off on July twelfth,
that was the perfect time to do this. There were
no holidays, perfect weather, there was no surge of COVID.
But no, they had to get it delayed. They had
to move it all the way back to the holidays.
They had no idea. This is their first rodeo. This
is the first there uh figuring out that there's going
to be a bunch of hiccups because of the holidays.
The federal government is absolutely useless. I know, I know
a lot of you out there are big time fans
or your boy Biden or big time fans a Trump
or whatever it may be, but breaking news, they are inept.
The whole entire federal government is inept. On Monday, in
a surprise move, Judge Alison Nathan urged the jurors to
stay an hour later each day. Sessions will now end
at six pm instead of promptly at five. Maxwell's lawyer
Laura Meninger had argued that giving the jury such an
instruction was beginning to seem like urging them to hurry up.
Prosecutor Alison Most said that it was within the court's
discretion to ask the jury to stay longer. Judge Nathan
initially told Menager, I have the discretion to set the schedule,
and I can do it over your objection. She later
said she would add the qualifier to the jury that
they should take all the time that they needed. I
mean that goes without saying, but I could see the
point that Menager's making here. I certainly wouldn't want it
to seem like my client's fate is being rushed because
of a holidays scheduling issue. Again, this whole entire logistical
planning of this trial has been trashed from Jump Street.
This should have never been a trial like this in
the middle of the holidays. There was also intense legal
debate around a note from the jury which asked whether
or not they could convict Maxwell on one of the
counts related to Jane if they thought Maxwell aided in
arranging her flight home from New Mexico. Prosecutors wanted to
refer the jury to their instructions, while Maxwell's lawyers argue
that the answer should be nu. Judge Nathan said that
the note was ambiguous and told the court, I don't
know what the question means. It's too difficult to parse
factually and legally. She referred to the relevant part of
the instructions she had read out before they began their deliberations.
So as the jury seeking some more clarification, Judge Nathan, Well,
she can't be bothered to provide that, can she? I
mean how I mean, it's too difficult to parse factually
and legally, So just refer to the instructions that she
read out before they began their deliberations. I know, if
I was a jury I'd be like, what the fuck
does that even mean? But here we are another day
in the many fiefdom of another judge in America. Earlier
in the afternoon, the jury sent notes asking for transcripts
of testimony from Epstein's former pilot David Rodgers and Gregory Parkinson,
the former Palm Beach police officer who recorded the video
of the raid on Epstein's house in two thousand and five.
So we know that Dave Rogers was a huge part
of Jeffrey Epstein's machine. The first pilot hired top notch
fly boy, flying Epstein and his buddies all over the place.
You know the whole nine. So David Rogers his testimony
was pretty important. It put people in places, put people
in the company of Epstein and Maxwell and all of
that stuff. So his testimony provided a lot of corroboration
for the assertions made by the prosecution. The jury had
also asked for a transcript of testimony from one accuser's
boyfriend and stationary supplies as they began their fourth day
of deliberations. An hour and a half after starting on Monday,
the jury sent a note asking for different colored post
it notes, a white paper board, and highlighters in different colors.
So for those of you who have worked in an
office environment, you know that post it notes are a
huge u jaha key to making sure everything runs correctly.
I can't tell you how many times I would leave
post it notes for my assistants or my supervisors when
I managed the sportsbook, I would use those posts it
They'd be all over the place, so I could see
why the jerry would want to use them as well.
It really helps keep things in order, no doubt about it.
The Jerry also asked for the testimony of Matt, the
boyfriend of the accuser Jane, who corroborated her account of
being recruited and abused by Maxwell and Jeffrey Ebstein aged fourteen.
They requested a definition of enticement. One of the two
charges that relate to Jane include Maxwell enticing her to
be sexually abused by Epstein. And these are important little things, right,
little bits of detail, the enticement, the actual traveling portion
of it, the moving the girls across state lines for
the express purposes of being sexually abused. These are the
things that are really going to provide jeopardy for Galenne
Maxwell here. In my opinion, I think that Glenn Maxwell
is really going to feel the heat from these enticement charges,
the grooming charges, and with the testimony we have heard already,
I think it's going to be very hard for the
jury not to take that stuff into account. After taking
questions from Maxwell's lawyers and the prosecution, Judge Alison Nathan
directed the jury to two parts of the jury instructions
for a definition of enticement. She gave them the additional
instruction that could mean attracting, inducing, or alluring, using hope
or desire. And that's exactly what Maxwell was doing, isn't it.
She used their hopes, The girl's hopes, their desires, their wants,
their dreams, held their needs against them. She promised them everything.
She promised them modeling jobs, she promised them jobs. As
massuse is that Jeffrey Epstein was a great benefactor. He
was going to take care of them, He'd pay for school,
all of that stuff. And in reality, all she was
doing was normalizing the abuse, normalizing the fact that Jeffrey
Epstein was an abuser. And if they just kept on
keeping on that they'd get these benefits, but they'd have
to provide, you know, Jeffrey Epstein with these sexual services
in return. Maxwell walked into court looking relaxed, having spent
Christmas also her sixtieth birthday in prison. She wore a
light brown turtleneck sweater and a black mask and hugged
your lawyers one by one as her sister Isabelle sat
in the public gallery. Maxwell's lawyer, Jeff Pagliucci, told Maxwell
happy birthday and Happy Christmas. Happy Christmas? Huh? Happy birthday? Well,
how about and a happy New Year to you in jail?
How about one of those? Because I'll tell you what
I don't see how Maxwell's getting out of prison here
I don't see how she's not going to get convicted, folks.
I mean, look, I know it's ten tenuous right now.
Right not knowing what the jury's doing, what they're up to,
what they're thinking, definitely has everybody on edge, me included.
But I think that there's enough here. I think there
was enough, provided that the jury is at the very
least gonna come back with convictions on the more the
most serious of charges at the very least. Now that's
my guess, right, But when you're dealing with the American
justice system, especially when one of our so called elite
is involved, all bets are off and you never know
what sort of tom fuckery is going to occur. Her lawyer,
Bobby Sternham, requested that Maxwell be allowed to wear a
K ninety five mask at all times, and not just
in court. Maxwell had a different mask on in her
holding cell. Judge Nathan said anyone entering the courthouse had
to wear a K N ninety five or an N
ninety five in the courthouse as per a ruling that
took effect on Monday and required all visitors to wear
such masks due to the rise in coronavirus cases. Well,
if everyone has to wear the N ninety five, then
what was the point in wearing the cloth masks in
the first place. I guess that's a conversation for another time,
so I won't digress. But I mean, in the words
of Michael Irvin, come on, man. The jury of six
men and six women ended their first week of deliberations
Wednesday without reaching a verdict, forcing the British socialite co
conspirator General all Around Scuzbag and by Peedle Serpent to
spend Christmas behind bars. Maxwell, who facing eighty years in
prison if convicted, has been in custody at the Metropolitan
Detention Center in Brooklyn, which she's described as a hell
whole since her arrest in July of twenty twenty. Look,
I can't even disagree. All of those lock ups are
hell holes. They're all shit bird establishments, they're all run
by absolute morons. But with that said, Glan Maxwell made
her bed and she's certainly going to have to lie
in it. If it was you or me or your
cousin Joe, we'd be rotting away in prison right now
and nobody would be hearing any of our nonsense. Nobody
would be hearing about how we're being treated like Nelson
Mandela or Hannibal Lecter. Nobody would care, nobody would listen,
none of it. So why should we care now that
it's Glenn Maxwell's turn? Why should we care that one
of our modern day robber barons is finally feeling the burn.
Jerors began weighing her fate on Monday last week after
hearing closing arguments in the three week trial, and deliberated
for two full days before going home for the holidays.
On Wednesday, the Jerry sent one note requesting three transcripts,
but failed to come to a decision. Maxwell has maintained
her innocence, and her lawyers have bashed her accusers of
having false memory and being motivated by money. In legal
filings earlier this year, Maxwell claimed her treatment in prison
is so bad it would be fit for Hannibal Elector.
Again with the Hannib Elector stuff, It's just so ridiculous,
so ridiculous that of all the people that have been
incarcerated unjustly, all the people who have actually been wronged
throughout time in the American prison system and elsewhere, you
bring up a fictional character and Hannibal Lecter. So that's
what two thousand dollars an hour buys you, huh, but
they are not appropriate for a fifty nine year old
woman who poses no threat to anyone, Maxwell lawyers claimed.
At one point, Maxwell barricaded herself in the video conference
room in prison with a card of legal documents, prosecutors claimed,
and was deemed a security threat by blocking the door
and preventing guards from accessing the room. Near the end
of Wednesday, the Jerry asked for another copy of a
transcript from the accuser known as Jane's testimony. They also
asked for the testimony of Kate, another accuser, and Epstein's
former Palm Beach House manager Jana Lessi. Given the option
to deliberate on Thursday, the Jerry said no because they
had made other plans. They said in a note, Maxwell
sixty denies six counts of recruiting and transporting underage girls
for her former boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein. Let's not let them
get away with that nonsense, former co conspirator, former partner,
former boss co boss. I should say, you mean, not
farmer partner. That's ridiculous, her former boyfriend ridiculous. On Tuesday,
the second day of deliberation, the jurors appeared to be
zeroing in on two accusers. They deliberated for the whole
day Tuesday and send four notes to the judge, including
one which related to Annie Farmer, the only accuser publicly
identified in court. They wanted to know if they could
use her testimony for two counts of conspiracy to entice
and transport an underage girl to engage in sex acts. Now,
this is where I think Maxwell's gonna get absolutely hammered, folks.
I think she's gonna get nailed for these charges for sure.
The transportation charges. There's no way to deny this. She
was on the plane with these girls. These girls left
one state, went to the other state. I honestly have
no idea how the defense thinks they're gonna get off
on those charges. Judge Nathan said she would tell them
they could. Earlier, the jury asked to see notes of
an FBI interview that Carolyn gave in two thousand and seven,
the first time she spoke to law enforcement about being
acute of being abused by Epstein. Judge Nathan said that
it had not been entered into evidence, so they couldn't
see it. However, the jury could refer to its mention
in Carolyn's cross examination by the defense. At ten ten am,
after just an over an hour of deliberating on Tuesday,
the jury sent its first note. Judge Nathan said that Jerry,
we're asking for the transcripts of testimony from Jane, Annie,
and Carolyn, but did not mention Kate. Kate is the
only accuser whose claims should not be considered crimes as
charged in the indictment. Again, I know we talked about
this a little bit last night, but why are you
even bringing Kate up here and putting her through this
if her charge, her accusations aren't even in the charging indictment. Now,
if that's the case, you're going to be bringing people
up to give their testimony about what happened to them
under Epstein even though it's not being charged. Well, where's Virginia,
Where's Maria? Where are some of the other survivors. The
jury were not brought out, and Judge Nathan said she
would give them the transcripts in the deliberation room. Maxwell
walked into court wearing a black turtlenecks, wet pants, and
black pants while folding a green folder. She hugged her
lawyers and waved at it in the public gallery. Maxwell's
defense delivered closing arguments Monday afternoon, telling the jury that
she is an innocent woman wrongfully accused of crime she
did not. In her closing remarks, Maxwell's lawyer Laura Meninger said,
the government has failed to prove any charge beyond a
reasonable doubt, and the only correct verdict in this case
is not guilty on each count. Uh what? The only
correct verdict in this case is guilty on all counts,
guilty on all counts, not even charged guilty, guilty, guilty,
That's the proper verdict. The defense again attempted to discredit
the accounts of the four accusers, as managers stated, the
evidence has established what we told you. It would that
the stories relied on relied on by the government, our
err and his memories, manipulation and money. But in this
case the order is reversed. The money brought the accusations
to the FBI, where their personal injury lawyers sat right there.
So again, it's all about the money, right Remember that, folks,
Remember how they tried to frame this, Remember how they
tried to set the girls as money grubbing prostitutes. Basically
is what they're trying to call them, and we all
know the reality is that these were just young girls
when they first met Maxwell and Epstein. We all know
the reality is Maxwell and Epstein's behavior towards them set
them on this course. As for how Maxwell was betrayed,
Menager said that she had been made to look like
Ruela Deville and the Devil Wears Prada, all wrapped up
into one. I mean again with the fictitious character references.
Menager said the lawyers manipulated their stories and the government
accepted their stories without even corroborating them. Menager said that
suddenly the accusers recovered memories years later. She said the
recovered memories that Glaine was involved, that Glaine was there,
and that Glaine was the culprit. Menagers said that the
prosecution spent a lot of time talking about Epstein's lifestyle,
about his wealth and property and his private planes, just
like a sensationalist tabloid would. Well, all of that stuff
has to be discussed, right, It's all part of it.
It's all pertinent, and it all plays into what Epstein
was up to. If you're going to set the table,
you gotta make sure you have the plates Menager said
that Epstein was a master manipulator who abused his money
and his power. So did your client. She said, we
are not here to defend Jeffrey Epstein. He is not
my client. But she added Glaine Maxwell as not Jeffrey Epstein. No,
she's his underboss. She was his right hand. She was
the person who was putting things into motion. That's who
Glenn Maxwell was. The idea was that Glaine was there.
She must have known. Meninger criticized prosecutors for showing the
jury dozens of photos out of thirty eight thousand seas
from Epstein's New York home in twenty nineteen. She said,
where are the other thirty one nine hundred and sixty photos?
Who was in those photos? Was it other girlfriends? Other women?
Nor should the jury draw any inference from Epstein keeping
photos of Maxwell men Meninger asked the jury that if
an ex boyfriend or girlfriend had photos of them, would
that make them Menainger condemned the use of such images
as straight up sensationalism, when in reality we know that
they set the table, When in reality we know that
it paints a picture and the whole Well, if you
had pictures for your partner. Would that make you a
sex offender? Well no, but if there were literally dozens
of girls coming forward making those accusations, they'd have to
be taken seriously. No. So here we are, folks, waiting
on the jury once again, after twenty four hours and
forty minutes of deliberation, still no verdict. So we'll be
here for it, hanging out, watching the news and waiting
for that verdict to be out. So until then, folks,
I hope you all have a great morning. I'll be
back later on, obviously with the evening update. Also context
episodes come in your way, and if there is something
that happens as far as the verdict or whatever a
little bit earlier, we'll hop on and we'll get started then.
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up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein chronicles, Well,
there is still no verdict in the Gallaine Maxwell trial,
as the jurors embarked on another full day of trying
to come to a conclusion as to whether Ghlaine Maxwell
is innocent or guilty. Now, the jurors up until this
point had deliberated for over twenty four hours in total,
and with today, we're pushing that into the thirties. So
at the end of the day to day they sent
Judge Nathan, meaning the jurors sent Judge Nathan a note
letting her know that they were making very good progress
and that they didn't want to spend the extra hour
there today and get back at it tomorrow morning instead.
So kind of looks like if you're trying to attempt
to read the tea leaves here that the he might
be pushing forward and getting closer and closer to a decision. Now, again,
when we talk about the length of time it's taking
the jury to deliberate, I know that it's frustrating for
a lot of people. It's frustrating for me as well,
But I try to keep the mindset of if it
was me and it was my fate hanging in the balance,
I'd want the jurors to be deliberate as well. I'd
want them to take as much goddamn time as possible.
So as long as they're doing their due diligence right,
as long as they're looking at all of the evidence
and poring over it and trying to figure out what's what,
I can't be too critical of the jurors. Now. I
think I've stated it enough times by now to have
you all understand that my real issue is just the
scheduling of this in general. It was scheduled poorly. The
logistics around it were terrible, and once again the federal
government shows you that they have no idea what they're doing.
It's an absolute joke. Did they really think that the
holidays weren't going to impede this process? Now I get
it that Maxwell's original trial date should have been postponed
after the superseded indictment. You have to give the accused
time to properly defend themselves, so I understand the delay
in the whole process. That's again not my issue. The
problem is the timeframe that was chosen. We needed to
do this right around the holidays and make it difficult
on everybody. We needed to make it an issue with
all of this stop and start, a break here, a
break there. All right, let's break for the New Year holiday. Now.
So logistically it was planned poor from the beginning, and
what they should have just done is had the trial
begin the first of the year, you know, the first
week of January, and then you have all of the
holidays out of the way and you're moving on with things.
But no, they like to make it difficult, don't they.
So now here we are start stop, start, stop, and
hopefully we're at a point now where that's over. But
up until now that's exactly what it's been. Get the
car going, bah, then it stalls. Get the car going again,
then it stalls. I feel like Daniel LaRusso and the
Karate Kid when he goes to pick up Alli with
his mom and they have to push start the car.
That's what the federal government's like. So we wait now
for the jurors to come to their decision, right, And
as we're waiting, there's a lot of other issues that
are popping up. You got an omicron bomb dropping in
New York. And I don't care where you stand on
the whole debate about COVID one way or the other.
The fact of the matter is it's going to impede
what's going on here perhaps, and whether you believe it's
real or it's not, it really has no bearing on
the actual facts of the situation, which are it's a
very likely possibility that this omicron could have some sort
of adverse effect on this trial if things aren't moving
in a quicker manner. So there certainly are a lot
of pitfalls hanging around this whole entire issue right now,
and hopefully we get it all put behind us very soon,
because the longer it goes, the more issues that are
going to arise, and the more chances are that something's
going to be a miss and this lady's gonna end
up walking. And I just can't even think about that
at this point. It is so absurd to think that
this lady would get off on some kind of weird
technicality or loophole because the jury was rushed or something
like that. And don't think they're not already thinking about it.
They are. That is how Maxwell and people like her role.
It is a game of loopholes and technicalities. This is
the last resort for them actually being in a courtroom
and having to defend themselves. They don't even like to
get to that point, folks. Their whole goal is to
destroy you before you can even get to court. But
now that they're here, you better believe if there's a loophole,
if there's a technicality that presents itself, they're going to
sink their teeth into it and they're gonna ride that
bitch all the way home. So that's one of my
biggest fears is the longer this goes on, the more
you know technicalities that pop up, and the more chance
Maxwell has to leverage one of those into freedom. So
with that said, let's take a look at what the
AP has to say about today and what went down
in the courtroom and what we can expect moving forward.
Headline citing COVID judge Prod's Gallaine Maxwell Jerry to work
overtime deliberating sex trafficking charges. This article was authored by
Tom Hayes and Larry Neumeister for the Associated Press and
the article is running in The Orlando Sentinel. The Jerry
weighing the fate of the jury weighing the fate of
Glaine Maxwell said Tuesday they were making progress. At the
end of the fourth full day of deliberations at the
closely watched sex trafficking trial, where a judge express concern
New York City's coronavirus search could derail the proceedings. I mean,
imagine you want to talk about a firestorm of people
showing up with conspiracy theories. Let this trial be impeded
or de railed by a coronavirus or anything else, and
I guarantee you it will be a bedlam. Everybody will
have a theory, a conspiracy theory, everybody will have, you know,
speculation on what happened, and it will be an absolute
shit show. So they better hope that that doesn't occur.
They better hope that they keep this thing moving in
a nice I would say, fluid matter, but that hasn't
been the case. It's been rather clunky. But they better
hope that the proceedings keep on going, keep on moving,
because if you try and stop this for the omicron
outbreak in the middle of this trial when the jury's deliberating, yeah,
I'm sure that people are gonna have a field day
with that. Judge Allison J. Nathan granted jury's request to
leave at five pm, an hour earlier than plant, but
told them they were expected to work toward a verdict
the rest of the week if needed. Earlier Tuesday, Nathan
told lawyers out of the presence of the jury that
the astronomical spike in the number of coronavirus cases necessitated
jurors working longer hours. Hey, look, sometimes you got to
bite the bullet, right. How many times have you folks
been at work and there's some project with a deadline
and you might not even been involved with this project,
but you have to see it through. You have to
get it over the finish line. And that's what the
jurors are going to have to do here. Perhaps work
a little bit longer, clock a few extra longer hours
and get to a resolution, because again, we can't have
this being derailed by the coronavirus. We're two years into
this pandemic now. There should be no way in hell
that any kind of pandemic or anything like this is
derailing trials such as these, Especially after Judge Nathan had
the audacity not to have a call in line. How
many people would have stayed home and not went to
the if there was a call in line. And then
now you're going to talk about, oh, things might get derailed. Yeah,
no thanks, you better keep it moving. We now face
a high and escalating risk that jurors and trial participants
may need to quarantine. Nathan said, we're simply in a
different place regarding the pandemic than we were a week ago.
I can agree with that. Right, the numbers are exploding,
there's no doubt. But as far as it impeding the trial,
are we really that's what we're going to do. We're
even going to talk about that zero chance that these
proceedings or any others should be interrupted by omicron or
coronavirus or anything else. We have the technology where we
can contact people in space. You mean to tell me,
you guys can video chat this one home. And again,
there should not be any of these percent that don't
have call in lines for us, the general public, the populace,
the citizens to call in to hear what's going on,
to keep an eye on things, for transparency matters. And
that's in the best of times, in the middle of
a pandemic that's raging, you would think that you'd want
to give the option to people to call in as
opposed to going there and spreading it or catching it
or whatever it is. But no, instead Judge Nathan ruling,
like you know, she's a feudal lord in her own
little fiefdom. Decide we're not going to have any phone
in line. No big deal. During the first week of deliberations,
the jury stopped at five pm, but Nathan told jurors
late Monday that they should be prepared to stay until
at least six pm moving forward to moving forward. Despite that,
the judge agreed to release them early after they assured
her in a note, our deliberations are moving along and
we are making progress. Now. That little gem there from
the jury leads me to believe that they are making
some progress. I highly doubt they'd come out and say
that if they weren't making progress, or they weren't getting
closer to the finish line. And like I said earlier today,
I wouldn't be shocked if there is a verdict tomorrow, folks. Now,
I wasn't too sold on today being the day for
the verdict, but tomorrow sounds pretty juicy. And I have
one of those gut feelings again, just a gut feeling,
no information from no sources. I don't have any exclusives
here on this podcast. That's not what we do but
my gut says that it's very possible that we'll see
a verdict tomorrow. And with the jury sending that note
to the judge and declining to work the extra hour,
you would think that they are getting closer. The judge
told lawyer she was considering informing jurors she would require
deliberations every day, including the New Year's weekend if necessary,
until they reached the verdict, but after defense lawyers pushed back,
she chose Tuesday to not tell jurors that weekend deliberations
were a possibility. So look, hey, if they got to
work on the weekend, then so be it. Right. Look,
this is very important that justice has served here, that
these survivors are given the justice that they deserve after
all of these years. I think that we could work
on the weekends to make that happen. Null. I mean,
where do I sign up to work on the weekends.
I'll continue to do it. I haven't missed a day
since like August of twenty and nineteen. Around these parts,
folks mean to tell me you can't work an extra
weekend to see this one home? Come on now? Fueled
by the omicron variant coronavirus cases, in the city have
rocketed from an average of about thirty four hundred a
day in the week in the week that ended December
twelfth to twenty two thousand in the week that ended Sunday.
That's a little bit of the creud going around, a
little bit of the old kooties making a comeback. I
know here in Vegas were up a lot too with
the caseload people who are testing positive. But the good
news is it seems to be a bit more mild, right,
not as many hospitalizations or severe death or illness. So
I guess if we're going to look for some silver lining,
there's that at least. Laura Meninger, a defense lawyer, told
Nathan on Monday that any suggestion that the Jerry stay
later is beginning to sound like urging them to hurry up.
And again, I think it's important to talk about that
for a second. It's important to make sure that there
is no wiggle room for Glenn Maxwell and her lawyers.
It can't look like the judge is trying to hurry
the jurors up to make a decision here. Now, she can,
you know, try and move things along, nudge them along procedurally, perhaps,
but she can't give the impression that she's pressuring the jurors.
So I actually agree with that, and I'm glad to
see that that doesn't seem to be what's going on here,
because again, you know that Menager and Everdell and Sternheim
and the rest of them, they will latch onto that
we would object to trying to urge them to stay
later if they're not asking to do so and aren't
expressing any difficulty in proceeding with the deliberations that they
are currently undertaking. Menagers said, so, if you want to
read the tea leaves and take a look behind the curtain,
perhaps here's a place to do so. Now, obviously, the
prosecution is totally fine with the judge saying, let's get it,
move on, let's get going, and the defense here is saying, nah,
take your time. The longer it takes, the better it
is for us, at least if you're looking at it
from the outside looking in. That's what the appearance is
that the defense wants this to go as long as possible,
and the prosecution, on the other hand, wants things to
get moving. They want the jurors to come to that decision.
They want this conviction, and they want to get this
show on the road because the longer it takes, the
longer Maxwell is, you know, percolating over here, the more
chance there is that one of these jurors is a
holdout or the jur doesn't agree with the rest of
the jurors and looking at a mistrial or a hung
jury or something like that, and boy, oh boy, again,
then we start back at square one. And while that
is absolutely a disgusting thought for all of us, imagine
how the survivors would feel. Mettinger noted that the jury
was continuing to request transcripts of trial testimony and other
materials that indicate they are working diligently to decide six
charges alleging Maxwell played a crucial role in Epstein's sexual
abuse of teenage girls between nineteen ninety four and two
thousand and four. And I have to agree with Meninger there,
as much as it pains me to do so. It
sure looks like they're doing their due diligence. Right. Look,
you're not gonna find somebody more cynical of the federal
government or the way they go about trials and situations
such as these. But I think that the jurors are
doing it the right way, trying to get as much
information as possible because it's very important, right How can
you decide somebody's fate if you do not have all
of the information that's necessary for you to do so.
So then taking their time. I don't see that as
a huge hit for the prosecution per se, but the
longer it goes, it certainly seems like the defense seems
like it's a good thing for them. Defense lawyers have
said Maxwell sixty is being used as a scapegoat by
prosecutors after the US government was embarrassed by Epstein's suicide
allegedly at a federal jail in Manhattan in August two
thousand and nine, nineteen, while he awaited a sex trafficking trial.
Maxwell was arrested in July twenty twenty and has remained
in jail after Nathan Repeedialy rejected Bell attempts, including a
twenty eight and a half million dollar package with twenty
four hour armed guards to ensure she did not flee.
Now imagine the hubris of all of that. Imagine thinking
that because you have a bunch of dough, you're gonna
pay some armed guards and you're still gonna be running
around free as you wait for trial. You think any
of us would be afforded that? Most of us are lucky.
We can pay our bills, never mind hire armed guards
to protect us while we await our fate for human
trafficking charges. The hubris of it all is just It's
insane to me. Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges in
Palm Beach County in July two thousand and eight. He
admitted he hired local underage girls to provide sex and
erotic massages at his own. His sentences been referred to
as a sweetheart deal that allowed him lenient work release
while he served about thirteen months of an eighteen month
sentence followed by a year of house arrest. Yeah, they've
been treated so poorly, I mean, the whole lot of
these people, Huh, Maxwell and Epstein, they've all been treated
like Hannibal Lecter and Nelson Mandela. Then here back in reality,
we all realize that they've always gained the system. They've
never been treated shitty ever in their lives. So of course,
when you get hemmed up, you're in prison, you're in jail.
It kin kind of seems like a whole New World,
doesn't it. An investigation by the Florida Department of Law
Enforcement focused on former Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry
Krisher's decision not to aggressively prosecute sex abuse allegations against
Epstein over a decade ago, Epstein's generous work release privileges
in jail, and allegations that Epstein had sex with young
women while under the jail supervision. Investigation found Epstein received
deferential treatment in jail, but no evidence was uncovered that
suggests count official officials broke any laws. No, they never
uncover that, do they whenever they have their internal investigations.
Do any of these law enforcement people ever go to prison?
You gotta literally be caught on tape, like with what
happened with George Floyd for there to be any chance
of these scumbags to go to prison. And all of
these bureaucrats in these positions like prosecutor and you know
the rest of it, grow some backbone, you bunch of cowards.
These men and women are much more concerned with their
future political life than they are with doing the right thing.
And if you're not looking to put people like Max Wallen,
Epstein behind bars. Law enforcements should not be the career
for you. Maybe you should try Walmart Greeter, maybe you
should go and try bartender. But law enforcement official going
after people like that, obviously a lot of these people
aren't built for it. And that goes doubly for what
went down in Florida. Well, folks, we're waiting on that verdict.
Tomorrow morning. We'll be back, same time, same bat channel,
all that good jazz with our morning update, and we'll
go from there. Right, that's all we can do. See
what's gonna happen, See what kind of curveballs are throwing
our way, and you know, roll the punches. So with
that said, we're gonna wrap it up for this evening
and I will be back tomorrow morning like usual. So
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