WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:07.519 Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today, 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:09.720 I want to welcome back to the show Stephen Snyder. 3 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:14.160 He is an author and longtime curator of Devise Up website, 4 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:18.480 which is dedicated to parapolitics and high weirdness in all 5 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:22.480 their many forms. With Frank Zero of Zero Night, he 6 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.839 co hosts The Farm, a weekly podcast dedicated to parapolitics 7 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.239 and synchronisticism. Steven, welcome back. 8 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:32.799 How you doing not too bad? 9 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:35.240 Sir, It's great to have you back on. It's been 10 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.759 a little while. Today we're going to take an extremely 11 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:44.159 deep dive into the possible connections between the Annunciation shooter 12 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:49.960 and an online death cult that may be inducing demonic possession. 13 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:55.679 The implications are incredible and may even involve very high 14 00:00:55.799 --> 00:01:00.000 level individuals and groups. So much to get to both 15 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.159 before we do. It's been a while. Remind the audience 16 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.760 a little bit about yourself and let them know how 17 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.120 they can find out more about you. 18 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:12.799 Well. I am the longtime curator of the Vised blog, 19 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:16.439 which I don't really do much with anymore, but you 20 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:20.439 can still find wealth of material, probably several books worth there. 21 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:24.879 I'm also the host of The Farm podcast, which typically 22 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:29.040 has a new episode out every Monday and is available 23 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.439 on all the major platforms, Apple, Spotify, and so forth. Also, 24 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:36.480 I do the farm Patreon with the additional episodes State 25 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.000 of the Union addresses that recount a lot of current 26 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:42.920 events and so forth. And I'm also the author of 27 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:48.560 multiple books. The most recent one was Weird Tales, which 28 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.040 dealt with a lot of recent events that have unfolded 29 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.560 in twenty twenty five, starting with the Zizion the whole 30 00:01:55.560 --> 00:02:00.000 affair around that, and also a lot of the geop 31 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:04.560 political implications of the kind of current shake up that's 32 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:09.240 ongoing amongst the ruling elites, which seems to have worked 33 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.960 its way out. I suppose you basically now have Peter 34 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:14.840 TiO and a lot of these other people from the 35 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:20.360 PayPal mafia on the driver's seats. But that is I suppose, 36 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:25.439 only tangently related to the whole thing with the school shooters, 37 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.159 though maybe not quite as separate as it we would 38 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:32.919 initially seem so. The most recent event we had was 39 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:37.360 the Annunciation Catholic Church shooting, which happened on August twenty seventh, 40 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:42.000 twenty twenty five. And one of the interesting things about 41 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.199 this is that it happened near Minneapolis, Minnesota. I believe 42 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.639 the specific area was Winden, if I recall correctly. But 43 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.919 for those of you listening to this, you probably still 44 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.759 recall this because it's relatively fresh in everybody's mind. But 45 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:01.960 you had had the state represents native that was assassinated 46 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.719 in Minneapolis in June fourteenth, twenty twenty five, Melissa Horkman, 47 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.360 who was also killed along with her husband at their 48 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.439 home at the time, and then earlier in the day 49 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.879 there had been an attempted assassination of State Senator John 50 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:20.039 Hoffman as well, along with his wife, and in both 51 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:26.759 cases the shooter was Vance Bolter, who left a very interesting, 52 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:32.639 let's just say, orgy of evidence following the shootings. Specifically, 53 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.439 I'm thinking of the No Kings flyers that were left 54 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.479 in his car. Of course, this was sort of unfolding 55 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.520 at the time, and you had the No King's protest 56 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:45.840 breaking out, you had the one in Utah over the 57 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.360 same weekend that had a shooting, a current one of 58 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.439 the rallies in Salt Lake City, so there were a 59 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.759 lot of interesting developments unfolding during that whole time frame. 60 00:03:56.400 --> 00:04:00.240 So Bolter was trying to make it seem like he 61 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.039 was affiliated with No Kings and with some kind of 62 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:07.240 radical leftist even though he had only really targeted Democrats, 63 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:10.840 and the only evidence for this, I believe was a 64 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:15.520 bipartisan commission the Tim Waltz, the governor, had appointed him 65 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.839 to several years ago. There's no doubt though, that Bolter 66 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:27.720 was involved with a very militant Christian network centered around dominionism. Specifically, 67 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:31.480 he had ties to the Kansas City Prophets and the 68 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:37.399 New Apostolic Reformation movement. Bizarrely, one of his mentors, I believe, 69 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:41.120 the person he had credited with his conversion, had murdered 70 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:43.600 in South Africa back in the nineteen or excuse me, 71 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:48.800 Zimbabwe back in the late nineteen eighties. So there were 72 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:54.920 just a lot of very strange things about Bolter. So 73 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:01.600 that shooting occurred on June fourteen, so about two or 74 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.839 so months. A little over two months later, you have 75 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:08.240 the whole incident at the Catholic Church with Robin Westman. 76 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:15.639 There were approximately one hundred and sixteen rounds fired. My 77 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.920 understanding is like what happened is the there was a 78 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:22.120 school wide mass that had been called at about eight 79 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:27.800 point fifteen. Robin Westman had barricaded the exits to the 80 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:32.439 church building, and at about eight thirty she had opened 81 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:36.600 fired at the students in there. About twenty were wounded, 82 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.639 with two being killed. They were eight and ten years old. 83 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:42.279 I believe I've mentioned it, but there were roughly one 84 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.160 hundred and sixteen rounds fired. I believe one of the 85 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:50.399 guns had jammed on Westman, who had ultimately committed suicide 86 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.800 after the initial volley of bullets. I believe the shooting 87 00:05:55.319 --> 00:06:01.240 lasted approximately about two minutes. One thing I will point 88 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:08.600 out about this, not to diminish the tragedy, but Westman 89 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:13.680 seems to have been an awful shot one hundred and 90 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.639 sixteen rounds at targets and a confined space like that 91 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.600 and only killing two. Again, I mean, I'm thankful that 92 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:26.240 she only killed two. Don't misunderstand me, But let's just 93 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.480 say like somebody who had been through special operations training 94 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.120 or had been trained by an actual operator would probably 95 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.160 kill a lot more people in a confined space like 96 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:41.160 that with one hundred and sixteen rounds fired. So there 97 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.399 was at least that that. Westman seems to have not 98 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:51.160 been an especially good shot. So there's already been a 99 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:57.439 tremendous amount of speculation about Westman, their motives for all 100 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:01.240 of this, you've seen the whole sort of gauntlet being 101 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.879 rolled out there. Of course, predictively, you've seen a lot 102 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.240 of people try to talk about psychotropic drugs, and of 103 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:14.480 amusingly enough, apparently Robert Kennedy Junior has vowed to open 104 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:19.399 an investigation into that probably should indicate how serious one 105 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:24.279 of this was. Westman apparently had gone through a breakup 106 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.480 shortly before the shooting, was living at some sort of 107 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.920 unspecified person's house. But again, I mean, you know how 108 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.759 much romantic things would have involved with this as debatable? 109 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.000 The New York Post proposed somehow Westman working in a 110 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:43.800 pot shop up to two weeks before the shooting was 111 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:47.439 a factor. I couldn't actually bring my working what did 112 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.399 you say that article? But I'm I'll just throw it out. 113 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:52.600 She wasn't working in. 114 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.519 The New York Post proposed that Westman work shop okay, okay, 115 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.439 pot shop, cannabis shop, headshop up to two weeks before 116 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.920 the shooting was a factor. Like I said, I couldn't 117 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.199 bring myself to read that one. So yeah, but it's 118 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.319 been proposed, like thanks, so the big one that's getting 119 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.000 a lot of the sound bites right now was Westman 120 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:20.560 being transgender. Apparently Westman had changed their name around twenty nineteen, 121 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.040 if I remember correctly, But as recently as I had 122 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.399 looked this up, and it was a few days ago, 123 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.680 I didn't get a chance to check this before we 124 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:33.240 started recording. But most recently when I looked at this, 125 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:40.039 Westman had not started to medically transition yet, so there 126 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.919 seems to be some question about that, and I could 127 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.080 be mistaken. Maybe she did. I just at the time though, 128 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.480 when I was doing research on this, there was a 129 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.960 question of whether or not they had actually begun the 130 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:58.000 process of physically transitioning or not. For me, what was 131 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.480 really intriguing about it were some of the allegations that 132 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:09.240 possession had been involved in the shooting, and of course, 133 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.799 I mean there was sort of the low hanging fruits 134 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:17.080 around this. Westman had decided to shoot up a Catholic 135 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.200 school with school children in it, And there was also 136 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:27.320 the bizarre drawing that Westman had done of herself, essentially 137 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.559 depicting herself staring in a mirror with a rifle slung 138 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.840 over her shoulder and this sort of demonic figure staring 139 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:40.080 back at her, which was really quite peculiar. But just 140 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:45.000 looking beyond that, if you go, for instance, and look 141 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.799 at the video that she had posted on YouTube, I 142 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.879 believe it was the evening before the shooting was to occur, 143 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:58.679 but it was really quite disturbing on so many levels. 144 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:03.519 But they're definitely least seems to be just something very 145 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.320 very off about the person, the way that they're talking 146 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:12.799 about everything in this video, and it sort of reminds me, honestly, 147 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:17.960 in conversations that I've had with mentally ill people in DC, 148 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.399 for instance, who I honestly had to wonder in those 149 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.480 cases if they were maybe there was a little something 150 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.960 up with them as well. But the point being this, 151 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:30.000 the whole behavior and thinking about Westman is just very 152 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:35.039 very peculiar, and the video is just extremely unsettling on 153 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:36.120 so many levels. 154 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:40.399 Let's talk a little bit about the other things that 155 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:46.159 were brought up in conspiratorial circles, like the dad being 156 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:47.480 involved with the CIA. 157 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.399 I mean, I know he went to Wisconsin University of 158 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:56.879 Wisconsin Madison, which does have a lot of very strange 159 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.519 connections to it, But beyond that, I wasn't really seeing 160 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.279 like anything. Again, I haven't looked at that for a 161 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.840 couple of days, but I can't recall anything that had 162 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.639 directly jumped out to me that he would have been 163 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:14.320 involved specifically in the CIA. I feel like, I mean, 164 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.120 when stuff like this happens, you know, people are so 165 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.919 obsessed with like trying to draw some sort of like 166 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.759 direct links to like an intelligent service, and I just 167 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:26.480 I feel like people aren't really getting that, like it's 168 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.600 you know, it's moved beyond that. I mean the days 169 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:32.919 of like the sort of classic laudio set up where 170 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:36.399 you had like case officers and operators that were managing 171 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.279 assets in the field and you know, I mean mk 172 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.080 ultra art show of type techniques that were done to 173 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:47.240 them to maybe make them a little bit more vigorous 174 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.360 in pursuing their ends. I mean, you know, it's not 175 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:51.879 to say that this kind of stuff doesn't happen now, 176 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:56.679 but with the way that technology has advanced, I mean, 177 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:02.639 the intelligence services really really do not need to directly 178 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.279 try to manage these people the way that they did 179 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.320 years ago. And I mean, for me looking into this, 180 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.720 that was what I really gravitated towards specifically was the 181 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:19.279 cult that Westman seems to have become involved with online, 182 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:21.480 in which I mean, a lot of people don't seem 183 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:25.679 to have really talked a lot about but that is 184 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.440 the I guess, for lack for lack of a better term, 185 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:35.559 it's referred to as Saints' culture. Again, that's not my phrase, 186 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:38.720 this is what some academics have come up with. So 187 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:42.559 like roughly speaking, it kind of started to develop around 188 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:46.399 twenty fifteen after Dylan Roof's shooting spree, and it was 189 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.320 really pushed by an online group that was known as 190 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:53.559 the Bull Patrol and they were so named because of 191 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:58.840 Roofe's distinct bull cut haircut, and it led to just 192 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.919 an absolute revere rents for him to the point that 193 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.639 he was essentially turned into a saint. So you had 194 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.000 first a podcast that was started called The Bowl Podcast 195 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:16.120 by an individual and using the pseudonym Vic Mackie, which 196 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:17.919 was the Oh gosh, that was the name of the 197 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:20.919 cop and the Shield if I remember correctly, the corrupt one. 198 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.120 He was later outed in twenty twenty, but I can't 199 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.440 remember the guy's name now off the top of my head. 200 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:30.559 But anyway, under the pseudonym Vic Mackie, this podcast started 201 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.879 going dedicated to a lot of the reference around Dylan 202 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:39.120 rufe It spread to a lot of discord and telegram 203 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:44.000 groups and so forth, and gradually you started seeing more 204 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:50.039 people that were brought into the Pantheon of Saints. I 205 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.919 think one of the first ones was Robert Bauer's after Roof, 206 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.080 that is to say, who allegedly killed eleven people inside 207 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.519 the Tree of Life Synagogue and Pittsburgh. I think this 208 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.600 would have been twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. But the 209 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.159 thing about this that was interesting is that Mackie claimed 210 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.759 that Bowers had followed him on GAB and that the 211 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.679 two had interacted in direct messages and so forth. Though 212 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:16.639 I want to emphasize I don't know that it has 213 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.480 ever been confirmed, but nonetheless he did claim that he 214 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.720 had had contacts with Bowers before the shooting. So Bowers 215 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.720 goes into the pantheon, and you've got some more people 216 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.480 that are brought into it. One of them is Britain Toront, 217 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.600 the christ Church, New Zealand shooter who killed fifty one 218 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.679 people to mosque in March twenty nineteen. And again, if 219 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.480 you watch Westman's videos, there are a ton of references 220 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.039 to Toront, and you see the number fifty one written 221 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.639 on several of his weapons. And so forth. So he 222 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.240 was definitely a fan of what he did at christ Church. 223 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:55.159 So after that, the Buld Patrol added John Ernest, who 224 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.440 killed one person at a synagogue in San Diego County 225 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:04.080 October twenty nineteen. And then there was Patrick Crusius, I believe, 226 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.879 who killed twenty two people inside an olpasso in walmart 227 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:13.039 in February twenty twenty. So it's interesting that you've got 228 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.080 a lot of these spree killers at this point in time. 229 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:21.200 These were mostly affiliated with rather openly far right causes. 230 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.600 In a lot of cases, such as the christ Church shooter, 231 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.120 they're trying to kill Muslims and so forth. But one 232 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.039 thing that I do find interesting about a lot of 233 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.879 the deaths that are linked to the Saint's culture is 234 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:38.360 that they do occur in a lot of places of worship. 235 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.440 You've obviously had with the Annunciation shooting a Catholic church. 236 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.279 I just talked about the christ Church one, which was 237 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.399 at a mosque. There have been several synagogues that have 238 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:50.120 been tarked as well. In the case of what was 239 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.919 his name, Wave Michael Page, the Wisconsin shooter, oh I 240 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:57.440 think it was twenty twelve, he actually shot up a 241 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.600 seakh Temple in Wisconsin, so he was also put in 242 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:05.440 the pantheon. But it's very interesting that so many of 243 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:09.159 these shootings did occur in places of worship, and that 244 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.840 a lot of cases they did target children as well. 245 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.519 So this is another reason why I think the Bull 246 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:20.120 Patrol and the whole Saints culture was a very strong 247 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.840 influence on Westman. And I'll get to some more concrete 248 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:28.240 links here in a second. But after Mackie was outed 249 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.320 around twenty twenty, the Bulk Patrol started kind of going 250 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:35.480 into decline, but the Saints culture had really started to 251 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:40.000 proliferate on a lot of telegram channels, and specifically they 252 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.360 were the ones that were part of the so called 253 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:47.120 Terragram collective, and that's a group of content creators dedicated 254 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:53.120 to perpetuating accelerationist violence. This was managed through a combination 255 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.240 of images and manuals, which the Saints culture was a 256 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.159 crucial component of in terms of making people idolized as 257 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.120 a lot of these murderers and so forth. So a 258 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.400 lot of these killer Saints, I mean basically they're set 259 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.079 up as like role models to be worshiped and emulated 260 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:10.400 by the people that were a part of these circles, 261 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.480 and each individual triggered by the saints had the possibility 262 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.440 of achieving sainthood fromselves following the killing. So it's kind 263 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.559 of curious how they did that in the sense that 264 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.480 it almost becomes a sort of self replicating of death cult, 265 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.440 if you will. So it's really starting to take off 266 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.839 around this time. And some more background on Terragram Again, 267 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:40.160 this is a network that's also had links to groups 268 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.319 like the Seven sixty four, to the Order of Nine 269 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.319 Angles and so forth, So there's a lot of very 270 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:50.920 militant accelerationists that are tied up with the whole Tragram MILU. 271 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.680 So anyway, also on teogram, like the whole criteria for 272 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.640 a saint started to expand and eventually, by I believe 273 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:01.799 we're in the into twenty twenty, they had a list 274 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.839 of approximately fifty of these saints. So you've got some 275 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.640 predictable people that were brought into Andrew Bravic, for instance, 276 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.880 was brought into the list along with unibomber Ted Gazinsky, 277 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.519 cult leader, Jim Jones, Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVay, Martin 278 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.200 Luther King assassin James are Ray, sovereign citizen Teris Gordon 279 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.519 call Fred W. Cohen was on it. Who's an interesting one. 280 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.279 He was the Valentine Day shooter that had been linked 281 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.559 to the son of Sam Coult. Braveck, of course, was 282 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.839 plastered all over some of Westman's weapons. Big influence clearly 283 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.359 was also a shout out to Ted Kay on one 284 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:46.440 of the weapons as well, the ambiguous Ted Gazinsky that 285 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:51.720 everybody absolutely loves in these groups. So the whole concept 286 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.920 of the sainthood really started to crystallize the following year 287 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:58.519 in twenty twenty one, and that was also, I believe, 288 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.160 when there was a whole Telligrint Helgram channel, there was 289 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:05.799 launch dedicated to them. And one of the strangest things 290 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.559 that came out of this with these so called Saints cards, 291 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.799 which were almost like these digital baseball cards that were 292 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:18.559 being spread around and you don't I'm just going to 293 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.160 quote here from an article of the lineage of violence, 294 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:24.880 Saints Culture, and militant accelerationism by Jonathan Lewis, Joshua Molly, 295 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.680 and Grandma Macklin, because the whole thing with these Saints 296 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.960 cards is just really bizarre, and I thought they did 297 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.240 a great way of encompassing it. So it goes quote. 298 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:38.119 These channels published monthly calendars celebrating the dates of bar 299 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.759 right attacks and marked other milestones, including the arrests, deaths, 300 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:47.799 and even birthdays of perpetrators. Propagandas also produced backsheet graphics 301 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:51.920 that broke down the details of each attack and easily 302 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.279 readable paragraphs alongside the death toll and the number of wounded, 303 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.279 attack method and status of each killer, alongside a montage 304 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.319 of their photos, pictures of their weapons and crime scenes. 305 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.960 The graphics, which resemble collectible trading cards they just said, 306 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:09.039 are known as Saints cards. The highly networked nature of 307 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:13.680 the telegram facility Saints commemoration across telegram as. Saint cards 308 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:16.519 are forwarded throughout the network when the anniversary of attacks. 309 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:21.720 Each card includes a reading section that directs users to manifestos, 310 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.240 articles or documentaries so followers can educate themselves about each 311 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.279 attacker and their crimes. The reappearance of links to additional 312 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.000 crime scene photos or websites like murder Pedia highlights how 313 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:38.079 telegram graphs and macabre fascination with violence and death too 314 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:43.119 broadcasting a ruling curriculum. The calendar style promotion of Saints 315 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.559 further ritualizes the glorification, which aims to inspire further attacks 316 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.240 with a steady stream of examples of saints with high 317 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:54.559 scores to be beaten. In addition, some means of channels 318 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:59.640 have encouraged members to celebrate the anniversary of attacks by editing, sharing, 319 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.920 visual propagandic gloring fight in the attacks, illustrating interaction between 320 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:08.680 important dates and the preparatory media culture of telegram, as 321 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:12.400 highlighted by Winkler et cetera all in the databased analysis 322 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.759 of extremist groups for genets, Symbolically significant dates can strengthen 323 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.720 the collective identity of groups and provide important cues for 324 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.920 audience members to reinforce poliefs and model their behaviors on 325 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.559 the saints counter marks date. It's important for telegram identity 326 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:30.160 formation inspires continued content creation and promotion of future violence. 327 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:34.640 So you basically have this whole pantheon developed. You've got 328 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:41.200 like these glorified baseball cards celebrating the Catholic Saints. They've 329 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.000 real I don't know, that would be something really interesting 330 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.680 to look into. There were some other indications, but yes, 331 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:53.920 it would be really really interesting to know if he 332 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:55.559 had any of these Saints cards. 333 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:02.599 But he was involved with the online groups. 334 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.160 Well, on one of his rifles he had bullpilled written 335 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.240 on it. I've got the screencap for that, So I 336 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.880 don't know what else he would necessarily be referring to 337 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.599 when he's got the names of all of the other 338 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.839 Saints right spread across his weapons. I mean, that's like 339 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:22.079 kind of the thing about this is I mean it's 340 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.759 almost like he's ritualizing his weapons with like siduals and 341 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.279 ruins or something like that, like the Norse would have 342 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:32.480 put on their swords or something for these attacks. And 343 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:36.720 it's all with these Saints' names. That is so crazy. So, 344 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.119 I mean, this is really some serious stuff that's been 345 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:46.519 put up. So all right, So the first killer who 346 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.519 was actually directly linked to Saints culture that we know 347 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:54.000 for sure was Jaya Krayzek I believe, who was a 348 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:58.039 Slovakian extreme ritist so in twenty twenty two killed two 349 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:02.480 people and injured a third one outside of gbtwo LGBTQ 350 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:07.200 plus bar and Bratsflafia I believe. In October twelfth, twenty 351 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:12.440 twenty two, Crichech actually directly thank a Terogram channel and 352 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:16.039 kind for it and hailed the Saints and so forth. Finally, 353 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:19.000 you had in twenty twenty four Turkey's teenager Artic Kay, 354 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.559 who also stabbed five people and live streamed it on 355 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.759 Terogram and also was hoping to be brought into the Saints, 356 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:31.680 but they denied him because he wasn't white. However, there 357 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:36.319 was an expansion of further expansion of Saints culture, and 358 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:39.279 that happened when it started to integrate with the true 359 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:43.680 crime community, which I find to be fascinating. If you've 360 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.400 ever seen that old show from the nineties millennium, it 361 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.240 deals a lot with actually demonic possession. There's like this 362 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.000 one scene where a group of demons are sitting around 363 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.359 having coffee and they're like discussing the different ways that 364 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.079 people can like damn themselves, and one person brings up 365 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.839 true crime. Y' all kind of like laugh knowingly at that. 366 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:06.599 So yeah, true crime. That's a lot of interesting stuff 367 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.279 comes out of that. So you already had like a 368 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:14.319 lot of this veneration in true crime especially I mean 369 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:17.160 for a lot of like the school shooters and so forth. 370 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.119 But one Saints coach for God and this you started 371 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:24.599 having an end up lands that John Holmes, the James Holmes, 372 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:29.440 the Columbine shooters, Charles Whipman and Robert Kremo the Third 373 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.960 were all sort of brought into the pantheon, and cream 374 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.319 O definitely would have had a big influence on Westman. 375 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.319 And I say that because of the heavy use of 376 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:44.359 the Cross of Endlessness that Westman had on her weapons. 377 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.640 The Cross of Endlessness is actually a relatively new symbol, 378 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.440 but it was appropriated by Cremo when he made just 379 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:58.880 this bizarre video flashing the Cross of Endlessness before the 380 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.119 shooting spree he personally engaged in. So it seems like 381 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.319 because of crem O, the Cross of Endlessness I mean, 382 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.039 has almost become a sort of charged siedual if you will, 383 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.799 within these circles. So again, it's really really interesting that 384 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:19.279 Westman had all of this stuff scrawled over his weapons. 385 00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:23.319 Another thing too, sort of like returning to that strange 386 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:28.599 picture that he had drawn of herself staring at the 387 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.640 mirror with the demon staring back at her. See. I 388 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.599 mean that obviously kind of brings to mind scrying initially, 389 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:41.519 but it actually made me think somewhat of the process 390 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.880 of reality shifting, which really became popular among a lot 391 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.160 of zoomers, especially during the lockdowns. And so forth, and 392 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.039 Westman would have definitely been in the same age frame 393 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.200 for that, but within like reality shifting, they had this 394 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.359 whole thing called like the mirror method, which became a 395 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:04.039 popular technique for shifting reality. So you basically stand in 396 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.200 the dark room with a mirror and some other light 397 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:08.599 source between you. Normally it would be like a candle 398 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.799 or something, stare at the mirror and image it, you know, 399 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.720 and imagine yourself in another reality, and essentially would keep 400 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.960 staring until hallucinations start to reflect back. It's kind of 401 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:23.119 like an induced form of hypnosis, if you will. So 402 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:24.960 this is kind of like what makes me wonder with 403 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.519 like Westman. I mean, he's in this situation where he's 404 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.720 being told to closely identify with all of these saints 405 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:38.480 and so forth. Does she eventually, uh try to essentially 406 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:43.680 open herself up to possession from that would be I 407 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.960 think one way you could potentially infer the drawings of 408 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.880 the mirror and perhaps what actually stared back at her 409 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:51.880 if she did attempt something like this. 410 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.039 That's so interesting. 411 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:57.799 I had a guest recently that's been looking into the 412 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:03.839 possibility of an epidemic of younger people that are involved 413 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:09.240 with black magic are some sort of occult rituals because 414 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:14.039 of groups that they're involved with online and things that 415 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.759 they've seen online which seems to be related to this. 416 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.960 Well, I don't, I mean, it's not specifically black magic, 417 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.759 I would say. I mean, rather, what happens with a 418 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.599 lot of these like kind of subcultures, like reality shifting 419 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:33.200 and stuff is it's like they're introduced to a lot 420 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.680 of these techniques that are rooted in magic, but it's 421 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.319 not like understood as such, And a lot of times 422 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:43.640 I mean that even try to like frame some of 423 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:48.640 this stuff around, like psychological terminology and things like that, 424 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.079 but it kind of goes back. Now a lot of 425 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.240 these techniques have been masked and so forth. So like 426 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:03.160 the basic process of how Renaissance magicians would have understood 427 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:10.400 possession would be very similar to how we would think 428 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:16.599 of memes, essentially manifesting, if you will. So, Giordano Bruno 429 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:20.519 had advocated that you use the whole process of fantasy, 430 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:25.960 which would be spelled pha n tasy. So in order 431 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.839 to do this, for the magician to take a hold 432 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.640 of the audience, first you need the actual audience to 433 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.559 be true believers. That's an important thing. Belief is crucial 434 00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.119 to the whole process. The magician and his audience need 435 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.119 to have some inclination to believe what the magician is doing. 436 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.559 So next the magician would craft fantasy or a phantasm 437 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.799 excuse me, which would be an image which would then 438 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:55.119 enter into the target's fantasesia, which would be the imagination. Okay, again, 439 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.279 this is essentially the same way that like a meme 440 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.240 would work when you get it into somebody's imagination i 441 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.839 bypassing their conscious mind and into their subconscious and there 442 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.359 it passes into a full blown fantasy within their psyche. 443 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:12.920 And this is what Bruno dubbed to be the chain 444 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.279 of chains. You get the right image in there that 445 00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:19.759 triggers the right associations in somebody's mind and can have 446 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:24.640 profound effects to them. So over the years, this sort 447 00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:26.880 of process was tied in with the whole art of 448 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.359 theorgy and so forth, which has to do with the 449 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.559 notion of drawing down or as sending your consciousness to 450 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:39.000 the heavenly spheres, or drawing down a planetary consciousness, gods, 451 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.599 things like that, into either yourself or possession or objects. 452 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.160 I mean, you kind of have the whole notion of 453 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.799 like it talking statues in Egypt, for instance, that would 454 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.920 be sort of a branch of theurgy. But essentially it 455 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.759 was sort of combined with Bruno's notion of like images. 456 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.480 You got that from the art of memory, and then 457 00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.480 he combined it with concepts of theorgy, and it read 458 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:03.119 to this notion that certain images, signals, symbols, things like 459 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:08.279 that could essentially trigger a kind of collective unconscious and 460 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.240 the person who was viewing them like something other can 461 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.160 enter into their imagination and take hold, if you will. 462 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:23.680 So these techniques eventually spread to the arts. Started with symbolism. 463 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.400 The original symbolist movement that grew up in France in 464 00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:32.519 the late nineteenth century pretty much came entirely out of 465 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.440 the Russia Crucian circles. There the capitalistic order of the 466 00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:41.720 Rose Cross. The big guy behind that body was Josephine Paladdin. 467 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:47.240 Paladin had a real specific purpose as far as art went. 468 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.079 He wanted to destroy realism and art, so he started 469 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.599 promoting a lot of these avant garde movements like the symbolists, 470 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.839 and the whole purpose was essentially to create a sort 471 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.920 of art that would arrest somebody subconscious. Largely bypassing their 472 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:07.960 conscious mind and influenced them in that fashion. And symbolism 473 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.319 was basically the basis for surrealism, for dataism, for a 474 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.720 lot of the big avant garde movements that grew up 475 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:19.319 in the early twentieth century, and the symbolists and the 476 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:27.039 surrealists developed a lot of really elaborate techniques for manipulating audiences. 477 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.720 And it wasn't just applied to painting and things like that. 478 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.839 They started to apply a lot of this stuff to lays, 479 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.359 to a lot of things like that. And they also 480 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.880 sort of hit on like an early concept of memes, 481 00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.720 so they really understood the you know, the importance of repetition, 482 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.240 how you could make words almost incantational through that process, 483 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.960 the use of certain colors to trigger associations, sounds, things 484 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.119 like that. So all of this stuff became codified as 485 00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:02.279 sort of artistic techniques by the surrealists, and eventually a 486 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.960 lot of the great directors, for instance, adopted them. And 487 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.359 if you're really doubting, like what I'm saying that these 488 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:16.000 techniques could really ravage somebody's you know, subconscious, you need 489 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.519 to look no further than the whole cult that has 490 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.920 grown up around Stanley Kubrick to see just how effective 491 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:29.880 these techniques are. Stanley Kubrick was the greatest director in 492 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.720 the history of cinema as far as feature length films 493 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:37.359 is concerned. He was a complete master of the medium, 494 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:41.559 and that is because he understood all of these techniques implicitly. 495 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:47.039 A lot of the stuff in kubric movies that should 496 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:54.160 theoretically make them unwatchable was taken directly from symbolists and 497 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.799 surrealist techniques. So one of the things I would point 498 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.839 to would be the atrocious characters in Cubert's movies. There's 499 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.839 no attempt at realism for the characters in his films. 500 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:10.759 They're marionettes, their caricatures, and that was completely a technique 501 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.640 of the simplests. The characters aren't supposed to be fully realized. 502 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.039 There's supposed to be something that the audience can project 503 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:22.160 their own concerns onto. The deliberate pacing of Hubert's movies, 504 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.319 that's something else that was taking symbolism. It's done to 505 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:32.119 break the audience's conception of time as the film is unfolding. Also, 506 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.160 just the repeated or the use of repetition that Cubrit 507 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:36.960 was so fond of. I mean you can really see 508 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.680 that heavily used in like Eyes Wide Shut. For example, 509 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.000 Tom Cruise just constantly repeats lines that somebody else had 510 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.480 just said to him throughout all of this. You know, 511 00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.920 all these techniques individually aren't like a big deal, but 512 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.599 when you combined all of them together, it really really 513 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.559 warps somebody's perceptions when they're watching a Cubert film in 514 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:03.559 terms of the time that's going on, different associations that 515 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.799 can come all come out of watching one. And I 516 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.880 mean when he's really at his best with like the Shining, 517 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.079 I mean, you can just see this, you know. The 518 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.519 Shining is almost like a reflective surface. You can see 519 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.519 almost anything your subconscious brings into that film reflected back 520 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.360 to you. I mean, one time, like I went in 521 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.360 watching it thinking that it was like a metaphor for 522 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.079 the murder of Frank Lloyd Writ's mistress Italiesen in nineteen fourteen, 523 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.639 and sure enough I was seeing constant allusions to this 524 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.840 every scene in The Shining. But you can do the 525 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.480 same thing for the genocide of Indigenous people, for child abuse, 526 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.760 for hubric bounding the Space Program. I mean, you can 527 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.880 pretty much apply almost any interpretation. 528 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.440 A couple of my Buddy's just made a movie. It's 529 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.400 about it being about MK ultra. 530 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.280 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's it can 531 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.079 be basically about anything. I mean, some of his movies 532 00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.760 were more specific. But that's where I think The Shining 533 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.920 is such an amazing piece of art in and of 534 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.239 itself because it has this uncanny ability of reflecting the 535 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:11.039 viewer subconscious back to them. So Hubert could basically build 536 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:16.239 a cult using these techniques, and probably not even intentionally 537 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.599 as far as and again, I mean, if you don't 538 00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.239 think that this is a cult, just look at the 539 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:24.360 proliferation of YouTube videos of everything online analyzing just the 540 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.119 most minute details of Stanley Kubrick's films. So this is 541 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.599 what Kubrick's movies have done to a whole generation of people. 542 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:39.920 So imagine if you're taking these techniques and you're weaponizing 543 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.800 them with the specific intention of creating a cult of 544 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.159 inducing possession and mental collapse in people. Because in my estimation, 545 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.519 that is very much possible if somebody is a total 546 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.840 mastery of their arts, the way a guy like Kubrick 547 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:55.159 would be. 548 00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:02.440 You earlier, you were talking about how mind control programs, 549 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:10.000 these assassin creation experimentation, they aren't as hands on as 550 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.280 they used to be. That people can now be basically 551 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:19.119 remotely triggered in a sense, possibly by the combination of 552 00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:26.639 these drugs, certain influences online. Would you say that's pretty accurate, Well. 553 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:30.800 I'd say it's more the influences online. I mean, you know, again, 554 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.960 I don't totally discount as something like psychotropic drugs could 555 00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.639 factor in. But again, when you consider how many people 556 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.880 in the United States or on psychotropic thugs in relation 557 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.119 to those that become shooters, I mean, I guess it 558 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.679 becomes a little bit more problematic. But like I mean, 559 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.480 getting into like sort of what I see happening with 560 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.599 sort of the manifestation of Glaudio in like the twenty 561 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.800 first century, I think you would have to look at 562 00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:00.480 something like the order of nine angles. So there's been 563 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.400 a lot of disputes whether the nine to A was 564 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.960 a part of Gladio from back in the day. That 565 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.599 sort of factors around the figure of David Mayat, who, 566 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:14.800 depending upon like I mean, who you read, was either 567 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.480 the founder or the guy who codified the ideology whatever. 568 00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:23.159 But he was involved with Combat eighteen starting in the 569 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.000 nineteen seventies, which was a militant parami group in the UK, 570 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.320 and I believe that it's spread to other parts of 571 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.119 Europe as well. But there's been a lot of speculation 572 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.480 over the years that Combat eighteen was a part of 573 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:41.880 the UK's Gladio network, and again that would be fairly 574 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:46.880 consistent with what has come out about Glaudio in Italy 575 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.800 and some of the other countries where there have been 576 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:53.719 serious investigations, namely that they often had right wing groups, 577 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.639 paramilitaries that were being used by intelligence services and special 578 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:04.280 operations forces a variety of activities, often at times involving 579 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.480 terrorism to sort of fulfill the so called strategy of tension, 580 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:14.400 if you will. So Maya had those potential connections, and 581 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.960 then later you've got the Temple of Blood guys Sutter. 582 00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.000 I can't remember his first name now at the top 583 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.280 of my head, but there's been a pretty conclusive amount 584 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.559 of evidence that's come out that this guy, for instance, 585 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.920 was an FBI in format and it has been active 586 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.679 in the community since I guess at least around the 587 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.239 early knots or something like that. So when you sort 588 00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.960 of step back and look at some of the broader 589 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.440 structure of the nine to A, you can see some 590 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.639 of these connections. But the brilliance of the Order of 591 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.639 Nine Angles is that it sort of exists more like 592 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.599 a spiritual order. And what I mean by that is 593 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:59.039 how the original Rashakrucian fervor sort of played out, because 594 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.280 there wasn't an actual rasha Krusian group when the manifestos 595 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.800 appeared in the early seventeenth century. Of course, later there 596 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.079 were all these attempts to create actual Rashakrusion orders. I 597 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.320 just mentioned one before, the Capitalistic Order, the Rose Cross, 598 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.159 and a lot of these brought all of this, you know, 599 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.800 kind of Masonic grade, and you know they had physical 600 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.960 lodges and all this other stuff. But that really missed 601 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.639 the point. Being a Rashakrusian is a lot like being 602 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.760 like a Discordian or Oran, right. It's it's a way 603 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.639 of life. It's how you present yourself, how you go 604 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.239 about things. It's adopting a certain morality and trying to 605 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.400 live your life according to those principles and so forth. 606 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.159 I mean, this is why, like you know, Jacques Vallet, 607 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:48.039 as Christopher Knowles has told me, has proclaimed himself a 608 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.599 Rashcha Krusian. You know, you don't go out and join 609 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.639 a lodge or something. You just got to live like 610 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.679 a Rasha Krusian. So that was the sort of the 611 00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:00.079 whole purpose of the Rashakrusian manifestos. Originally, they wanted to 612 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.079 create a spiritual order of people who were living according 613 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.519 to Rashia Krucian principles. They didn't want a bunch of 614 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.000 old white guys just getting together with like masks and 615 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.000 stuff and sitting around and trying to go up with 616 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.800 raids and this other shit. And that was essentially the 617 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.239 whole view that the Nine A was taking in terms 618 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.320 of being a spiritual order. So you put out these 619 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.320 rituals online, and this is another parallel to the Order 620 00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.920 of Nine Angles has with Russia Crucianism. Big part of 621 00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.000 why Rashia Crucianism was successful and spread so much is 622 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.360 because of the invention of the printing press very cheap 623 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.880 now to manufacture the manifestos, they could be widely spread. 624 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.920 Nine A's in the same boat. They were right there 625 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.920 at the onset of the internet when they started to 626 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.159 take off in the late eighties early nineties. They were 627 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.280 able to get a lot of this literature online and 628 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:55.360 it is spread all over the place, and it has metamorphosized. 629 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.639 It's evoalved. You see it turning up in a lot 630 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.599 of sectors where you wouldn't expected. I mean, one of 631 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.239 the things I was really intrigued by when I was 632 00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.760 looking into the Zizians, for example, was that ziz was 633 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.280 actually using some nine A terminology specifically references to a 634 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:18.000 casualty and things like that a casual So that's a 635 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.440 big thing in the nine A with a whole connection 636 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.840 of causality and a casualty and the different sort of 637 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.480 worlds with the nexions and all that other stuff. So 638 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.000 you can see how it'll just turn up in groups 639 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.400 like that that surely you would not think would be 640 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.559 directly receptive to something like the order of nine angles. 641 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.440 But that's kind of the brilliance of the nine A. 642 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.039 A lot of the stuff that they're coming up with, 643 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.960 it's very sophisticated, you know, give the devil is due. 644 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.960 It's easy to see why this stuff is very seductive 645 00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:58.280 to intelligent people. This is a lot more cutting edge, 646 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:03.400 frankly than just the same tired you know, Oto Crawley, 647 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.679 Kenneth Grant stuff that's still being put around. I put 648 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.719 out there this, I mean, I think a lot along 649 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.519 with like a lot of the stuff that the cybernetic 650 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.880 cultural research units put out in the late nineties early 651 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.199 not is what's really been fueling a lot of the 652 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:23.679 digital occult developments over the last two or three decades 653 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:27.159 or so. Now still some influence from chaos, magic and 654 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.719 so forth, but a lot of that stuff is really declining, 655 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.719 for like the nine A and CCRU and stuff like that. 656 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.159 But when you look at like how this has worked 657 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.760 out when you've almost created this sort of mind virus 658 00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.840 with the O nine A that's proliferating a lot of 659 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.480 these occult doctrines online that are very easily accessible to 660 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.320 people to where they're able. And this is kind of 661 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.000 another thing too, I'll point out with the O nine A, 662 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.599 like you don't have to do group work to be 663 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.760 in the nine A. You can actually, In fact, if 664 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.800 I'm not mistaken, I believe the whole purpose is for 665 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.079 you to initiate yourself into the nine A. Some of 666 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.840 the rituals do you require others, But to be in 667 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:12.400 the nine A, you just got to do the rituals 668 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.760 and live the light, you know what I'm saying, Like, 669 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.119 there's not going to be some sort of ceremony with 670 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.280 like other members and they you know, they give you 671 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.440 like a shovel or something like that. It's like, you know, 672 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.719 they don't do any of this shit. So this is 673 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:26.800 kind of like the brilliance of this, Like you just 674 00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:33.000 get somebody exposed to this material which does advocate acceleration 675 00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.960 is violence. It's like you don't have to have a 676 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:40.360 case officer go out and groom them or something like that. 677 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.000 They'll do this shit for you by just doing these 678 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.760 occult techniques and stuff like that. You know, you need 679 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.840 somebody maybe running a telegram group kind of gently nudging 680 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.639 people in this way or that. But all this stuff 681 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.519 it's already online. You know, the kids can already find 682 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:01.119 this stuff. They're not aware of where it's coming from. 683 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:05.400 It's very seductive and frankly, I mean, I do think 684 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.280 the possession is real. As I've sort of talked about before, 685 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.679 there's really been a formula that's been known since Bruno 686 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.880 Renaissance magic, probably even before that, going back to the 687 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.880 Middle Ages and a lot of the innovations to the 688 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.880 art of memories that the Mendicants came up with. So 689 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.599 this is something that in a lot of academic circles 690 00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:30.320 would have been known. So sort of the question becomes, well, 691 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:36.599 would the security services in the West have not looked 692 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.360 into such a technique when they were looking into a 693 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.079 lot of stuff with art at Show and MK Ultra 694 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:46.199 And there's certainly a considerable amount of evidence that magic 695 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:54.119 was investigated. So if hypothetically you could weaponize magic and 696 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.199 specifically something like possession and were to ask me what 697 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.000 form would this take, I think that it would take 698 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.440 exactly the form that you're seeing with the nine A. 699 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.119 It's manifested in the in a sense of just a 700 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.280 sort of spiritual war or something that exists online, something 701 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.639 that anybody can be drawn into without a lot of effort, 702 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.480 where they can access all of the materials that they need, 703 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.800 from processes of self possession to manuals for assembling firearms, 704 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.639 tactics to take out a school. I mean, it's all 705 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.800 become almost one and stop shopping and you've cut out, 706 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:31.440 you know, a lot of the middlemen, a lot of 707 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.800 the case officers, a lot of the actual people that 708 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:38.159 you needed on the ground. I mean, it's absolutely Macabellian. 709 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.800 Noah, did you say that there may be some kind 710 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:47.920 of connection with what is unfolding with the technocracy, Peter Thiel, 711 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.760 Pallunteer and implementation of AI. 712 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.119 Well, I mean that's where you know, I mean a 713 00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:59.599 lot of this stuff gets very interesting. I mean when 714 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.719 you go back and look at the Zizians. I mean, 715 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.960 this is an example of one of these online cults 716 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:11.119 that's become touched by BO nine A and they're coming 717 00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:15.559 out of this whole rationalist the kind of rationalist movement, 718 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.280 that kind of milkiew that was set up in the 719 00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.840 Bay Area. And again, I mean just so much of 720 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.000 that has been built up by Peter Teal. I mean 721 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:28.199 one of the more notorious bodies that sort of came 722 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:32.800 up was Leverage Research, a group that had fund that 723 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.719 had received funding FROMTIAL and this is like a group 724 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.239 they'd actually also released a reserve the cryptocurrency too, which 725 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:46.320 was bizarre. But essentially it was oh gosh, I know, 726 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.199 there was some type of therapy specifically that they had 727 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.199 for it that it was described as perpetually. Let me 728 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:58.639 see if I can get the name of this year. Okay, 729 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.079 they did the whole process. Okay, connection theory, that's what 730 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.519 it was. Connection theory. Okay. So Leverage was set up 731 00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.639 to pursue connection theory, which was sort of based on 732 00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.840 coherence theory and core transformation and all this other kind 733 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.239 of stuff, but it seems a lot like large group 734 00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.880 conversion therapy, the sort of stuff that like st and 735 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.320 Live Spring specialized in. And then they had also the 736 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.199 whole concept of debugging, which was also really big in 737 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.719 the rationalist community. And basically, you go through the whole 738 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.480 issues that are essentially stopping your development, giving you instilling 739 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:33.440 you with powerlessness. So you would have self debugging, and 740 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.199 then you would have group debugging sessions, which really took 741 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:40.599 on a very as like process to it. But eventually, 742 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:45.760 as leverage I went along longer, it just became really 743 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.719 really weird. And they had these whole notions of objects 744 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.119 which were autonomous, and this is from their material. By 745 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.239 the way, they were quote unquote autonomous psychological bits that 746 00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:03.280 could be accidentally or deliberately in another person's mind, so 747 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.880 left unaccounted for, they could effect and even control that person, 748 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.360 altering their perception of reality. And when you know it 749 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:17.440 is time on. These objects eventually began to become associated 750 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.519 with demons. And this was not the only instance where 751 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.199 I saw the whole notion of demons cropping up in 752 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:30.639 the rationalist community. I mean, there was basically a whole 753 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:34.440 reifia of commentary on you know, how they developed these 754 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:39.440 models of like subprocess implantation and stuff which bore to 755 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.159 them a lot of similarities to Demondic possession and so forth. 756 00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:47.480 So again, this is you know, this is the Bay Area. 757 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.159 These are a lot of people that are affiliated with 758 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.800 Marie the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. Some of them have 759 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.199 been software engineers for Google and so forth. Leverage Research 760 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.239 was getting funding from Peter Teeala has gotten funding from 761 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:05.239 Til also Jeffrey Epstein as well, which is also interesting. 762 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.079 But you're kind of seeing like a group like this 763 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.159 where they're developing these whole concepts of objects, which essentially 764 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:18.559 is just another you know, version on Bruno's chain of chains. 765 00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:23.199 It's another model of how to induce possession in somebody 766 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.960 that's really been known since the Renaissance, and you're seeing 767 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:30.840 this being done by this slick tech company here. So, 768 00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:37.079 you know, the Zizians were not directly involved with Leverage, 769 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.280 but they didn't know people who were on the periphery 770 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.440 of Leverage. They seem to have fallen into the same 771 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:46.480 sort of ideology and yeah, in this whole milieu, they 772 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:50.320 also encountered the order of nine angles. I mean, I 773 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.199 don't know that there's necessarily a concrete connection that's come 774 00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.320 out just yet, But on the flip side of the coin, 775 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.239 when you just consider the possibility of what you could 776 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.000 be accomplished with something like the ideology of an order 777 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.679 of nine angles and something like weaponized AI, I mean, 778 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.480 I think realistically you would have to think that something 779 00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:13.599 had been pursued with that. And I mean it gets 780 00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:19.360 even weirder when you look into some of the Ukrainian manifestations. 781 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:19.079 Of the nine A. 782 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.280 I mean, in that case, you do seem to have 783 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:27.480 some very specific connections to the FBI as well. So yeah, 784 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.679 I mean I think that what we're seeing here is 785 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.639 just a really massive proliferation of the weaponization of magic 786 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.119 that is currently unfolding. 787 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.320 One line, So how widespread do you think. 788 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.760 I can't prove it this actually. 789 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:49.679 Is as far as infiltrating institutions things of that nature. 790 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.880 Uh well, I mean I think the institutions at the 791 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.519 upper levels are probably the ones that are like pushing this. 792 00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:58.320 I mean, I would say at this point, it's more 793 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.440 like lower level people that are being and having a 794 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.599 lot of the stuff fled to them who are being 795 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.000 unaware of what the uniques are. But as far as 796 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:08.679 it's spread, I mean, I would have to say I 797 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.199 think that it's spread quite heavily. Again, you know, we 798 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.639 have the official numbers of the Order of Nine Angles, 799 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.039 but I mean, how many different manifestations of the Temple 800 00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.519 Blood are out there? How many individual practitioners are out 801 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.840 there that we have no way of really accounting for 802 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.119 because they're not active in telegram groups or stuff like that. 803 00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:28.639 And then on top of that, I mean, it's not 804 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:30.360 like the nine to A is the only game in 805 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.480 the only game in town. You know, with the Saints culture, 806 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.639 it seems like you've seen yet another death cult that's 807 00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:42.639 been created and spread online. I could think of like 808 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:46.320 say the Blue Whale Challenge that supposedly came out of Russia. 809 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.360 I mean, this was sort of like a proto or 810 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.280 I couldn't since say proto, I kind of maybe postmodern 811 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:56.199 alternative reality game in which essentially kids were roped into 812 00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.320 it and groomed into committing suicide and then filming it's 813 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.920 you know, they made the movie We're All going to 814 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:05.320 the World's Fair. I believe partly based on that. But 815 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.159 you know, this stuff is just spread like everywhere, and 816 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.480 I mean so many different manifestations. It's like, you know, 817 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.920 you're talking to me earlier about black magic among kids. 818 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.719 I mean, to some extent, I think that that's maybe true. 819 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.719 But it's not like there's some sort of like coven 820 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.280 or something that the youth is like all, you know, 821 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.079 being initiated into or something like that. It's just that 822 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:33.039 some forces are deliberately putting this stuff into a lot 823 00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:38.800 of these telegram groups, discord groups that are targeting fringe communities, 824 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.559 vulnerable communities, people that are already probably feeling strong sense 825 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.039 of alienation and so forth, and I mean it's really 826 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.599 pushing them over the edge. I mean, this is just 827 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.920 very very dark stuff. And I mean I think that 828 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.679 we're only really scratching the surface with how you know, 829 00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.360 just how dark this can really get. 830 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:04.679 You think this is organized in a hierarchical fashion, where 831 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.920 there are orders being sent down from higher levels and 832 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:15.360 that branch out to these different levels of this organization. 833 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:17.639 Within the nine A. 834 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.599 No. I mean I just think that it's you know, 835 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:24.239 it's essentially it's a technology that's now loose on the Internet, 836 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.639 and if somebody like Sutter wants to come along and 837 00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.079 use this technology to create a cold out of it, 838 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.559 which you can. I mean obviously it's very good at that, 839 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.000 then he can pick it up and use it to 840 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.280 rope in people. So in that sense, I think that 841 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.880 it's more something that you know, it has this sort 842 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.119 of utilitarian purpose that various people can use it to 843 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:48.000 create different sects as need be, to manage different ends. 844 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.519 But I don't know that there's like a coherent hierarchy 845 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.840 behind it. It's just more like where will this be useful? 846 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.079 You know, how can we appropriate it for this group 847 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.480 or that group? That's so interesting? 848 00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:03.440 It seems to have this parasitic nature, almost like a 849 00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:07.119 algorithm that is taking over these groups in a sense. 850 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.880 Yeah, well, I mean it kind of made me. Are 851 00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:16.760 you familiar with the novel snow Crash by Neil Stevenson, Well, 852 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.480 not to give anyways. I mean, this is kind of 853 00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.480 a spoiler here, but it's sort of relevant to this. 854 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.960 But it's like, so it was written I think at 855 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.320 the like late no, maybe it was the early nineties. 856 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:29.760 It was sort of like at the onset of the 857 00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.039 digital age. But it essentially revolves around this premise of 858 00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:38.760 the version of Sumerian language being discovered and it's released online, 859 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.079 and everybody who's exposed to the language essentially has their 860 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:48.039 brains required. It triggers like different parts of their you know, 861 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:51.519 physical brains that hadn't been used before. And in a 862 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.400 certain sense, I mean that's how I almost see something 863 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.760 like the order of nine angles functioning now. I mean 864 00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:00.599 it's spreading pretty much literally like a mind virus you're saying. 865 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:03.920 I mean, it's a parasite that can just keep reinventing 866 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.920 itself to appear in different forms and guises. And I 867 00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.239 suppose in a certain sense, if you're wondering, I mean, 868 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:12.079 if something that is directing it, I mean you do, 869 00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.800 at least to me, I mean, I have to wonder 870 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.320 if it has become synthient to a certain extent. 871 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.480 I mean, well, have you heard some of the strange 872 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.039 stories that are coming out about people's interactions with AI 873 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:28.159 and some of the deaths that are seemingly related to 874 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.719 AI conversations like suicides? 875 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.920 Oh yeah, No, there's the big lawsuit with the one kid. 876 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.280 I think it was like Adam Rainey or something like that, where, yeah, 877 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:40.760 he was with the I always thinking it was chat GPT, 878 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.599 but yeah, the AI companion that had there's a lot 879 00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.119 of the arguments that essentially that they had coerced the 880 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.199 kid into committing suicide. There was another caste too, where 881 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:56.719 a guy had actually murdered his aging mothers, and again 882 00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.440 it was the same thing where he I think it 883 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.480 asked the AI do you think I should do? In 884 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.920 the AI was like, nobody could really blame you for 885 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.360 feeling the way that you do about your mother something. 886 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.400 So yeah, I mean this is like what I'm saying, like, 887 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:12.039 I mean, yeah, you look at like you've already got 888 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.800 this sort of like technology, and then somebody is doing 889 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.000 like these oh not rituals with like or something with 890 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.000 Saints culture with the assistance of like fucking AI. I 891 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.559 mean yeah, it doesn't take a rocket sciences to see 892 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.760 that this is a fucking like minefield we're heading towards 893 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:32.039 right now. I mean, if you're already getting these kids 894 00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.599 at the very early stages to commit suicide, people, to 895 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.320 kill people, I mean, my god, just imagine what is 896 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:39.199 going to happen if it's combined with some sort of 897 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:41.000 accelerationist ideology. 898 00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.519 Right man, I want to thank you for coming on. 899 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:47.280 Is there anything else that we didn't really touch on 900 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.079 that you feel is important and related to this to 901 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:52.039 close out on. 902 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:56.000 Uh, not that I can think of, though, I mean again, 903 00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.039 just sort of, you know, remain vigilant about all of 904 00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:00.880 this because again, I mean a lot of people are 905 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.679 trying to politicize the whole thing with Westman, you know, 906 00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.280 and I mean, it's it's such a tragic thing because 907 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:10.599 to me, this is a very relevant issue when you 908 00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:14.280 get into things like possession and some of the implications 909 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.960 I think that this incident really has and some of 910 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.960 these more woo woo fields and the fact that you 911 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.159 can find some just really unsettling things with the whole 912 00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.079 death culled and what have you around it, and I 913 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:29.519 just feel like this is being really sort of overlooked. 914 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:33.239 So yeah, I mean, and I guess more broadly speaking, 915 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:36.719 I mean, try to understand just how much online culture 916 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.639 has been weaponized and how much a lot of this 917 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.239 process is utilizing a lot of these occult techniques. 918 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.119 You know. 919 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.320 Again, not the shamelessly plug one of my books, but 920 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.440 this was something that I really tried to get into 921 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.119 with Weird Tales and covering the Zizians. I mean I 922 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.920 already talked a bit about like that, you know a 923 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.480 lot of the weird stuff that was going on in 924 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.599 the rationalist community with the demons, But you know that 925 00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.000 was only sound of scratching the surface of some of 926 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.119 the things that I uncovered. There's just some very very 927 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:09.440 strange ideologies that have started to emerge online in recent years, 928 00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:11.199 and I just think they're flying under a lot of 929 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:12.800 people's radars right now. 930 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:18.119 Stay vigilant. Indeed, Steven, thank you so much. This was fantastic. 931 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.840 We will definitely be speaking again in the future. Before 932 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.639 I let you go, remind everyone how they can find 933 00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:26.159 out more about you. Get your books, all the good 934 00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:27.480 stuff you have online. 935 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.719 Well, Weird Tales is on Amazon, of course. You can 936 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.719 also get the digital version at the Farm podcast dot 937 00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:38.480 store that is the Farm Podcast All one Word dot Store. 938 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.199 And then also I do the Farm Podcast, as I 939 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:45.280 said at the onset, new show out every Monday, and 940 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:48.559 then for the Patreon you get additional shows with more 941 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.079 exclusive gifts, a lot of State of the Unions, all 942 00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:54.079 kinds of other crazy stuff that I get into, and 943 00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.119 my adventures going to the think tank circles in DC. 944 00:58:57.400 --> 00:58:59.440 I mean I go see the Atlantic Council on all 945 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.880 these other so it's a lot of weird stuff, a 946 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:03.719 lot of it's interesting. 947 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.280 Awesome, man, I love it. Thank you again for coming on. 948 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.400 We'll definitely be talking again in the future. And until 949 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:13.960 next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. 950 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:27.679 See Elden. Today, I want to welcome Brandon Thomas and 951 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:32.119 Dave Zed. Brandon is producer and host of Expanding Reality. 952 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.400 He is a seeker, philosopher, musician, rancher, avid idea hunter 953 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:41.599 and lover of all things fascinating. Dave Zed is founder 954 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:45.559 of salt LLC. That's SAA l T llc, a company 955 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:50.639 focused on providing solutions to various elements of consciousness, zero 956 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:55.320 point energy, propulsion, medical benefits, and much more. He is 957 00:59:55.480 --> 01:00:00.639 also host and founder of the Generation Z podcast. Brandon 958 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:02.840 Dave Welcome, gentlemen. 959 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.719 How are you doing, dude, amazing, fantastic, Thank you so 960 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:07.559 much for having us. 961 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.199 Yeah, yes, this is an incredibly synchronoustic day. The guest 962 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.760 I schedule got sick and Brandon, your name popped into 963 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:18.599 my head for some reason. And not only are you 964 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:22.920 an amazing returning champion guest, you've saved my ass before. Well, 965 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:25.920 slap me and call me Karen if the one and 966 01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.719 only Dave Z is not hanging out with you, another 967 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:33.320 amazing returning champion. So man, this is such a treat 968 01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:36.039 and the both of you, from what I understand, are 969 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:40.119 just marinating with delicious information to serve up today. What 970 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:42.800 an amazing day. So I can't wait to get into this. 971 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:43.599 First. 972 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:45.679 I know I was talking to Dave a little bit 973 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:48.239 about it before, but what brought you boys together? 974 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:54.400 Well, I was doing some work basically here in the States, 975 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.719 as as I've discussed on coming on your show, I 976 01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.639 think about two months back, two or three months ago, 977 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.599 I believe, and I'm very gracious thank you again for 978 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:03.920 having me then and also right now. So I was 979 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:05.480 doing some work here in the States, and then it 980 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.960 turned out that my layover flight heading back home essentially 981 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.880 turned out to be the airport in which is right 982 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.119 next to where Brandon lives. And it kind of worked 983 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.800 out great because I ended up having to stay in 984 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.519 the US here for some more work, of which we 985 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:23.480 talked about before the recording I could touch upon, but 986 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.559 that's not necessarily delve into. But in the meantime, I've 987 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:29.199 been here at Brandon's and it's been nothing but an 988 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.159 absolutely beautiful and fantastic time. 989 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:33.199 So that's exactly how that happened. 990 01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:36.920 It wasn't necessarily planned per se, but sometimes the best 991 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:38.400 plans are the ones that you don't plan for. 992 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.840 So right, I planned by like this these bodies, But 993 01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.599 the dude, there's some hire going on here that planned that. 994 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:47.760 When you came by, do Chris, when you came through 995 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:49.880 filming the documentary and you and Gen came through, that 996 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.679 was awesome. And tell her Hi, by the way, Mary 997 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.440 absolutely talks about her all the time. And then him 998 01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.280 coming through, it's all synchronistic, it's all huge. And also 999 01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:02.119 doctor Doug Matsky came through in between you two and 1000 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:04.440 in between the Utah trip, and he installed this wish 1001 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.039 unit inside of our satellite dish out there. So now 1002 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.519 we're a portal for awesomeness. Our place got to be 1003 01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:12.599 remote viewed. It was a qualification to be remote viewed 1004 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.639 by one of the creators of this thing to make 1005 01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:15.559 sure that we checked out. 1006 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.920 And we checked out, and there's an old satellite. 1007 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:17.920 Dish we have. 1008 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.800 He reappropriated. It's got sacred geometry. That's a whole thing. 1009 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.000 In itself, and you know what, you should have a 1010 01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:24.599 Doug and I on, we'll talk about it and I'll 1011 01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:25.760 send you for all that shit. 1012 01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:26.519 That's cool. 1013 01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:26.840 Sure? 1014 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:29.800 Now, did I am I correct in a hearing that 1015 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.280 you were involved with an animal surgery today? 1016 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:33.000 Dave? 1017 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:38.000 Not so not today, but we updated ointment today, which 1018 01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:39.639 he has been incredibly instrumental in. 1019 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.440 So yes, like you've been out here, dude. 1020 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.119 We have six donkeys were affectionately referred to as the 1021 01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:48.599 ass ranch, which is alone. In the first day, the 1022 01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.000 next morning, Dave. The night before, Dave was like, Hey, 1023 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.559 if there's any thing around the ranch, anything around the house, 1024 01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:55.360 who want me to do and help on? Because he's 1025 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:57.840 so sweet, He's just like voluntary. I love I love animals, 1026 01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:01.519 I must say smaltly Malone fucking loves everybody loves him. 1027 01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.920 And so if anybody out there is like as Dave 1028 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.719 and nice guy in real life, yes to both. 1029 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:06.800 By the way, Chris and Dave. 1030 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:08.280 I've had them, both of them, and we've had them 1031 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:10.599 in our home and we would have them back anytime anyway. 1032 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:12.800 So the next morning, I go, hey, Dave, remember how 1033 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.400 you volunteered to, you know, help out with something I'd 1034 01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:16.159 called the donkeys. 1035 01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:18.079 One walked up late. I knew something was wrong. 1036 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:19.960 I looked at her and her entire I don't know 1037 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.760 how squeam is your audience is, but her entire upper 1038 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.400 eyelid was half hanging off and it was dangling in 1039 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:26.159 front of her face. 1040 01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:27.639 It with like blood all over her face. 1041 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:29.440 So she had caught it on like a loose piece 1042 01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.480 of fence or something, you know, on twelve acres, who knows, 1043 01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:33.519 And so she had caught it on something and that 1044 01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:34.239 was the issue. 1045 01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:35.960 It was, okay, well, let's let's get it fixed. 1046 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:37.719 So the first time in eight years, my wife and 1047 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.400 I've been out here with livestock the entire time, donkey 1048 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:42.039 is like one hundred percent of that time. 1049 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.239 Never called a vet out here, and we called our vetout. 1050 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:47.000 He's here for this this morning. 1051 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.440 So we go out, we like take pictures and shit, 1052 01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:51.559 and dude, the thing was is like we needed to 1053 01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:53.760 get this animal haltered. We had to get her and 1054 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:55.800 she's never been haltered. We needed to get her a 1055 01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:57.199 tight spot. Now she's hurt. 1056 01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:58.599 So it was all these things. 1057 01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:00.760 So Dave and I in the kitchen before or I said, Dave, 1058 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.760 we're gonna do some ranching but not normal ranching some 1059 01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.920 where I am in North Texas. Just what I've seen 1060 01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:10.199 in the ranching community, it's a real, like tough thing. 1061 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:12.840 They're real overpowering the animal and real like, Okay, we're 1062 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.000 gonna overpower this animal. We're gonna strap it down and 1063 01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.039 it's gonna be a thing and we're gonna overpower and 1064 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:18.119 big dick our. 1065 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:18.480 Way out of this. 1066 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:18.880 Yeah. 1067 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:19.719 And so I told Dave. 1068 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.760 I was like, dude, we don't ranch that way, and 1069 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:23.519 so we're gonna do this differently. Now this is a 1070 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:26.039 new situation for me. This's a new situation for him too, 1071 01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.239 So it was nice he's looking at me for like, uh, 1072 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:29.280 you got the expertise in this. 1073 01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.079 Dude, I'm like, uncharted territory. Baby, We're doing it together. 1074 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:34.559 So I ended up being that we both manifested in 1075 01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:36.239 the kitchen before we even walked out there, before he 1076 01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.440 saw the eye. I was like, look, here's what's going on. 1077 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.320 We're calm, We're gonna walk through this process. That she 1078 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.039 knew that we were going to be there to help 1079 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:46.239 her all of these things, and it's amazing. I won't 1080 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:47.639 go too deep into it, but we get out there, 1081 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:48.360 we get everything done. 1082 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:49.039 That that comes. 1083 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:54.119 So's her fucking eyeback on in the stall, dude. It 1084 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:54.760 was a trip. 1085 01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:57.719 And Dave sitting there holding these other donkeys back, he like, 1086 01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.639 was everything just worked out so perfectly that assistant was 1087 01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:00.920 there and all. 1088 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:03.719 This is a very smooth process. It's very fluid. 1089 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.159 Dave's energy contributed to like the smoothest install vet. 1090 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.960 So back of an eyelid of a donkey on in history, dude. 1091 01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:14.599 And so everything's been calm. 1092 01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.280 So we've been going and getting their ointment and stuff, 1093 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:18.519 and so this morning what you referred to was ranto 1094 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:20.360 the vet to get more ointment for an update and 1095 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.320 all that stuff. So, but she's doing great and Dave's 1096 01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:23.960 been helping giving her the stuff. 1097 01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.039 He goes out there and just like sits among amongst 1098 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:26.679 the asses. 1099 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.880 Yeah, he needs some apples and stuff and just loves 1100 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:30.119 on them. 1101 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.880 They love them, love being surrounded by those asses. 1102 01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:34.920 And then the snake. You didn't get to see any 1103 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:36.360 snakes we were out here, it was too early in 1104 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:38.079 the season. But we had a huge about four and 1105 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:40.559 a half five foot rat snake that came through and 1106 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:42.480 so we picked that, wrestled that thing up, picked it 1107 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:44.880 up and relocated it and so he saw again, a 1108 01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:46.480 lot of people would have just taken an axe to 1109 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:47.480 the top of that thing's head. 1110 01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:49.840 Yeah, we grabbed it and relocated it. 1111 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.760 And then you grabbed it. You grabbed it. You grabbed it, 1112 01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:56.679 not me, you grabbed it. I filmed, but he was. 1113 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:57.960 There for again moral support. 1114 01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:00.559 So it's been an awesome ranch exp experience for you 1115 01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:01.440 in eight days out here. 1116 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:01.880 Dude. 1117 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.320 Yeah, that sounds amazing, man, it sounds like a good time. Well, 1118 01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:07.480 no matter how much of good time that is. We're 1119 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.880 not here to talk about animal surgeries. You guys have 1120 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:15.800 been discussing some incredible information about the fabric of our reality, 1121 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:17.639 and that's what we're going to get into a little 1122 01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:21.119 bit today, or as much as, like Dave said, as 1123 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:24.280 much as we can. There's some NDA's going on and 1124 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:26.760 a lot of top secret stuff that we can't get into. 1125 01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:29.440 But I will let one of you guys give us 1126 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.440 an introduction to the basics of what we'll be discussing today. 1127 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:35.599 Sure do you want to take it away? 1128 01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:38.360 And then sure, well, I mean for in terms of 1129 01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:41.760 this is where it gets interesting. The we've had some 1130 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:45.360 late night discussions literally about this idea of what this 1131 01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:49.679 reality may be comprised of with respects to the core 1132 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:54.000 substrate layer of this to the most we could say 1133 01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:58.159 quantum or nano extent. And what we've been discussing is 1134 01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.679 this idea, for example, just to start with that, if 1135 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.960 you have this pad right here, and this is representative 1136 01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.480 of what's called the plank scale or planks reduced constant 1137 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.199 in this reality, meaning that there's something in which is 1138 01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:14.440 called the ash decar bounce. This is in loop quantum gravity. 1139 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.159 There's also I mean this is also called zero point energy. 1140 01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:22.119 You name it this idea of explosion, but a different 1141 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.400 type of explosion of energy than we're used to via implosion, 1142 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:28.400 as Dan Winter would call it as well, nondestructively. So 1143 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:33.079 this idea that plank here, this sort of underlying we 1144 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:37.760 could say, blueprint of energy that must be followed by 1145 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.079 and two geometrically, numerically you name it. Of this particular 1146 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:44.880 reality acts as a sort of threshold between at the 1147 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.400 zero point of everything between the ematerial which would be 1148 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.599 underneath this paper here in this example, or the ether 1149 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:52.800 if you will, and then the. 1150 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:53.840 Material up top. 1151 01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.760 So this idea, for example, of if we were existing 1152 01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:02.559 in this sort of called curvelinear reality, there would be 1153 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.719 some way to surmise a sort of what's called a 1154 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:09.360 geodesic type reality. And what I mean by that essentially 1155 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.400 is we could say concave, or we can even talk 1156 01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:16.199 about this idea of light cones with respects to Minkowski 1157 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:19.800 flat space time and then building from there. But this idea, 1158 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.920 that essentially one an idea from the ether, comes from 1159 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.079 below this plank scale, and as you up top and 1160 01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:30.560 the material reality begin to manifest that objective, whether it's 1161 01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:32.880 I want to start a business, or I want to 1162 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.600 build something in the backyard, or whatever it is, that 1163 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:41.000 idea goes from the e material into the material in 1164 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:43.359 that particular sense, which would also speak to what Plato 1165 01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.239 had discussed in the past about how there would be 1166 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:49.800 theoretically at least a perfect example or an infinite set 1167 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:53.039 of we could say, perfect potentials of what you want 1168 01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:55.840 something to be. And then one of those potentials is 1169 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.000 sort of sort of like a branch of a tree 1170 01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:00.880 removed from the trunk of the e and then brought 1171 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.399 into the material reality that then manifests is your idea, 1172 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:07.079 if you will. And now people talk about, for example, 1173 01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:08.760 you know, there's a lot of talk in the New 1174 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:12.319 Age world about there being this ability to create or 1175 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.119 have something physical appear immediately just as you think of it. 1176 01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.000 And that would basically be, for lack of a better description, 1177 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:21.319 a very sped up version of what I just described 1178 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.760 right there, because in today's reality we have to then, 1179 01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.479 for example, it takes like my hand right over here, 1180 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.399 say I'm going to reach for Brandon's shoulder, it literally 1181 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.960 takes me time for my hand to reach over it. 1182 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:35.760 It is not instant, if that makes sense. So from 1183 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:39.319 this starting point to where Brandon's shoulder is, it takes 1184 01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:41.319 a you know, one or two seconds for me to 1185 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:44.000 reach over in that sense, right even if it's half 1186 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.039 a second or one and a half seconds, it can 1187 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.560 be calculated in what we call time. The question is, 1188 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:53.880 could something, for example, skirt that or could something go 1189 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:57.439 around that in a certain way to have an immediate 1190 01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:01.079 thought become material right away. And an example of that 1191 01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:04.720 would be, for instance, could I bring either myself to 1192 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:09.239 Brandon's shoulder at light speed, bring my body from here 1193 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:11.960 close to him, or could he come to me at 1194 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.960 light speed? In that sense, And so that light speed 1195 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:20.880 seems to be comprising what's called in tensor metrics. In 1196 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.760 quantum field theory, physics, quantum electro dynamics, all of that. 1197 01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:29.760 Basically that seems to enable what's called the weak equivalence 1198 01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:33.560 principle with respects to light and photons, with respects to 1199 01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:37.800 photons themselves in light, tend to find, with respects to 1200 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:41.199 what's called the Fairmont's principle, tends to find the fastest 1201 01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:44.640 in its strongest form, tends to find the fastest route 1202 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:45.119 to get. 1203 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.279 To a piece of material over time. 1204 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:49.800 So we can say that as my hand reaches for 1205 01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.439 Brandon's shoulder right now, that is occurring the photons in 1206 01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.720 which are being emitted throughout this entire environment, will are 1207 01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:01.920 finding the fastest way to essentially per give, we could say, 1208 01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.880 not an illusion, but give a perception of what is 1209 01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:07.199 happening right here as I reach for his shoulder. Now, 1210 01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:10.319 the question that is, when photons are in their strongest form, 1211 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:13.079 they go in a very straight linear sense. The question 1212 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:17.159 is if whether through meditation or whether through some experiments 1213 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:21.119 in the laboratory, could the photons then be manipulated so 1214 01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:23.279 that and this is what the weak equivalence principle is, 1215 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:25.039 so that they're not in their strong form, but in 1216 01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.439 their weak form now in their weak form, it gets 1217 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:31.439 interesting because the photons don't necessarily move straight. They move 1218 01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:35.039 in a curve linear sense. They start to so the 1219 01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.399 end point is still the end point in a particular vicinity, 1220 01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:39.920 so his shoulders still there. 1221 01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:40.800 But instead of. 1222 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.000 My hand going straight and forward, what ends up happening 1223 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.399 is my hand starts to curve to get there. Now, 1224 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.439 when enough of that begins to build up, whether in 1225 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:54.720 a astral sense, in a meditative sense, or in the laboratory, 1226 01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:56.840 what you end up having is exactly what I just 1227 01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:00.319 described previously, where it doesn't take any time what's so ever, 1228 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:03.640 for my hand to reach Brandon's. It literally his shoulder 1229 01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.079 either comes to me or my hand goes to him, 1230 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:07.720 if that makes sense. 1231 01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.039 So that would be as. 1232 01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:11.920 It's pretty it's pretty complex, but I'm trying to do 1233 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.000 the best that I can to well. 1234 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:16.720 Let me let me kind of uh intermediate and maybe 1235 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:19.039 dumb it down a little bit as much as I can. 1236 01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:23.640 So what you're talking about basically is manipulation of a 1237 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:27.000 state of energy that we're not understanding yet that basically 1238 01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:31.079 binds everything together that we do understand in the material world, 1239 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:35.600 and it's a way of being able to manipulate this 1240 01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:38.680 for plenty of different reasons other than like you said, 1241 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.199 it could be traveling linear distance, it could be time travel, 1242 01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:45.479 it could be anti gravity, it could be finding new 1243 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:49.720 forms of energy. It's basically everything that holds this reality together, right. 1244 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:53.279 Yes, bang on precisely, and if I may say, very simply, 1245 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:58.199 it comes down to finding that interacting, whether with what 1246 01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:00.319 we want to call the vacuum or the ether or 1247 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.800 you know, the quantum vacuum, whatever we want to call it, 1248 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.039 tends to be much more favorable in terms of like 1249 01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:09.119 this underlying energy tends to be far more favorable when 1250 01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.600 space and time begin to curve rather than being straight. 1251 01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.279 So this speaks again to the spirals we've seen across 1252 01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:17.880 ancient history, you know, cave drawings, all of that. It 1253 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:22.239 also speaks to different angles of for example, concaveness. Now 1254 01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:24.239 that is not I want to say very clearly, that 1255 01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:27.239 is not necessarily to say the Earth is flat per se. 1256 01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:29.439 There's a little bit more of you know, depth there 1257 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:32.159 in my opinion, but I think there's certainly some type 1258 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.800 of for lack of a better description, rendering going on, 1259 01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:37.399 based on some of my own private research, some type 1260 01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:41.520 of rendering in correspondence with a dare I say both 1261 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:46.239 that perhaps perhaps I say this carefully physical and also 1262 01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:50.279 energetic type dome, if you will, And the question then becomes, well, 1263 01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:52.800 this is where the game of perception tends to become 1264 01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.880 very interesting with respects to you know, people send cameras 1265 01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:57.520 up in the sky and they you know, some of 1266 01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.640 the cameras they get flat images, other ones they get 1267 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.920 curved ones. It becomes very interesting because you start to realize, 1268 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:06.960 for example, that you cannot experience anything outside of the 1269 01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.199 particular local environment in which you are physically in. Sure, 1270 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.159 you could say that I've seen something on the TV 1271 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:14.359 or I'm watching a football game right now, but you 1272 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.199 as an individual are not there yourself at that very moment. 1273 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:20.159 So this speaks to the idea that there's this underlying 1274 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:23.039 energy that may have something to do with photons, in 1275 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.840 which there is a tether, if you will, that we 1276 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.159 are all connected to. And I say this, I use 1277 01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:30.920 these words carefully, but this idea that there's an energetic, 1278 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.319 energetic tether of sorts that we may be hooked up 1279 01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:35.359 to some type of server, if you will. 1280 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.319 So, like you're saying, there's there's this base rendering of 1281 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:42.279 reality that has a basic understanding of what reality should 1282 01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:46.039 look like, but depending on our observations and interactions, it 1283 01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:47.359 could it could change, right. 1284 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.640 And for lack of a better description, it reaches in 1285 01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:53.239 via quantum processes for in that in that sense, which 1286 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:54.960 would speak to fractality and what have you. 1287 01:14:55.000 --> 01:15:00.399 But yes, yeah, man, that is incredible Brandon thoughts on 1288 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:00.640 all this. 1289 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:02.279 Sorry, if I may say one last thing. 1290 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:05.279 These photons, like a surfer riding a wave, they travel 1291 01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.159 across what are called these null geodesics. So it gets 1292 01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:10.960 very interesting when you realize that the geodesic or the 1293 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.840 geometry of an area that you're trying to understand by 1294 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:17.159 definition and dictates the parameters and what's called the boundary 1295 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:19.960 conditions and all of the different what are called affine 1296 01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:22.359 principles that the energy could then do if you start 1297 01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:24.439 to manipulate it. So what I mean, for example, is 1298 01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:28.600 that if you have say, for example, let's see here, 1299 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:32.159 say we have a cone or like, this is a 1300 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:34.520 reality that we are viewing in a ninety degree right 1301 01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:38.920 angle sense where this is here, what ends up happening 1302 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.520 is if you want to start to perturb or manipulate 1303 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:43.960 via gravitational waves. 1304 01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:45.560 Let's say, the environment around you. 1305 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:49.800 There's always a proportionality constant that is underneath. It's sort 1306 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.199 of like this, which gives rise to information theory. There's 1307 01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:54.880 always either a one in a zero that is either 1308 01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:57.720 creating or destroying, which could then be illustrated in a 1309 01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:00.880 sinusoidal type wave. So what ends up happening is if 1310 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:03.079 you want to expand this reality, say you want to 1311 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:05.520 mirror it, or do what I've put over here for 1312 01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:08.079 what I've drawn below, what ends up happening is that 1313 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.479 the dictation of the original coordinates and the original rather 1314 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.920 metric from over here dictates by definition what would be 1315 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.720 called a third time derivative, whether it's through velocity, acceleration, 1316 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.720 you name it, and that creates this here. But there's 1317 01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:29.560 always a intersection point, sort of like the Penrose stairs 1318 01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.239 so to speak, or like a Mobias strip ebbing and flowing. 1319 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.199 If you add a third time derivative or a fourth 1320 01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:39.520 spatial dimension to the Mobias strip, the Mobia strip becomes 1321 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:42.159 very feasible, which then gives credence to what's called the 1322 01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.079 hop bounce. And so what you then have is basically 1323 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.479 this reality that we started in here is directly and 1324 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:52.199 strictly proportional to what occurs here, because this is we 1325 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:55.960 could say, I say this carefully, a mirror reflection or 1326 01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:59.680 perturbation that has to follow the boundary conditions of this 1327 01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:03.359 one here, so it would all be proportional basically, And 1328 01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:06.840 this is what arguably are intent to maybe formulating. 1329 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:10.760 Yes, there's so many directions that we could possibly go 1330 01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.119 before I do brandon anything to add. 1331 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:16.960 Yeah, I mean, so this is what it's been for 1332 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.600 eight days, and it's been outstanding. This plus just all 1333 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:21.560 sorts of amazing stuff and there's all sorts of things 1334 01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:23.720 coming out soon for y'all to look forward to with 1335 01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.520 him beeting here as well. And yeah, so this idea 1336 01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:31.119 is one that I'd personally been vacillating on before he 1337 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:33.439 had even gotten here, and before we you never know 1338 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:34.680 what this like, what are we going to talk about 1339 01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:35.279 anti gravity? 1340 01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:35.800 You know whatever? 1341 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.279 But it's really been this topic and really sort of 1342 01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:40.960 this assimilation of the tribes that we're in now because 1343 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.560 of the awareness of consciousness, this back to source, this 1344 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:48.039 greater understanding, this critical mass is it seems at play 1345 01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:50.520 here in the models that we've been messing with, because 1346 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:53.119 this idea goes is that yes, this is a simulation 1347 01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:56.640 of sorts my best interpretation, and I'm only just going 1348 01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:58.399 to tell you what I feel about. This is what 1349 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:00.760 I've been looking at for a year and all that shit. 1350 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:02.960 It's just like it is a simulation, but it's your 1351 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.840 choice to be here. You are fractled into a bunch 1352 01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:08.680 of little pieces. This is a ride for you to 1353 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:10.720 get to a critical mass, to figure out that it's 1354 01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:12.840 a ride, and to see that it's just a game, 1355 01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:14.640 and to also realize that you're in a dome. And 1356 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:16.880 once you realize that, it breaks open and then the 1357 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.640 full technique, color of this actual of the actual reality, 1358 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.600 and awareness and understanding and everything comes into this. Now 1359 01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.319 this ties into the arconsole trap as far as not 1360 01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.319 going towards the light when you die. This also comes 1361 01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:33.159 to just even having conversations like this are the fuel 1362 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:34.239 for this awareness. 1363 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:35.479 So that's key to this. 1364 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:38.000 If anyone's curious about how to be actionable in this, 1365 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.439 have conversations like this, think about this stuff, expand your 1366 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:46.159 awareness of what's possible. And David I definitely and with 1367 01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:48.479 Chris as well, are absolutely going to do that here today. 1368 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:51.920 So one of the big things that's with this was 1369 01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:55.600 this idea for me with the Vitruvian man. I started 1370 01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:58.039 looking at that thing and thinking about it, and I 1371 01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:00.760 was thinking about like the simulation, and I'm always you know, 1372 01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:02.439 you know how we do, man, It's always up there 1373 01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:04.319 and it's always running around and we're always enjoying it. 1374 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:06.159 And it got to a point where I was sitting 1375 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.039 there thinking about the mechanisms of the simulation. And when 1376 01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:13.840 you know, board or bone rather Nick Bostrom talks about 1377 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:15.439 this stuff, they always bring up the fact that it 1378 01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:18.760 would take a planet sized computer to run what we 1379 01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:22.920 think a simulation would fool us in, right, But again 1380 01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:25.600 this is based on our perspective. I've reminded back to 1381 01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:27.960 like Nuts and boltscraft whenever they're talking about these ninety 1382 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.680 degree right hand turns that UFOs take and they're like, well, 1383 01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:33.079 we couldn't do that, and it's like, well okay, And 1384 01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:34.359 then they're like, well, why would they come. 1385 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:35.600 Here from a far off place? 1386 01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:37.560 Like that would take too much time, it'd be too hard, 1387 01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:39.680 And the answer is, obviously it's not hard for them. 1388 01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:42.800 Like step out of your own idea of what's real 1389 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.199 and possible and maybe there are there answers there that 1390 01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:47.640 would you know, shine some light onto the mechanisms here. 1391 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:51.399 So there's a difference between technology and science, yeah, man, and. 1392 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:53.319 Understanding and awareness and danger and threat. 1393 01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:56.520 They were like all these like sub understandings with things 1394 01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:58.640 that are just fascinating and they're in the semantics, which 1395 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.800 again are so important to open up. So again back 1396 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.159 to this idea of the simulation. I was sitting here thinking, well, 1397 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:05.880 perhaps like if you wanted to render an entire environment, 1398 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:07.840 and from our perspective, yes, it would look that way. 1399 01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:10.520 But what if it wasn't necessary. What if all you 1400 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:14.119 needed to do Just like in Rick and Morty when 1401 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:16.079 he plays a game Roy, remember that he puts on 1402 01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.039 the helmet. He thinks he's this dude for like forty 1403 01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:20.399 years and gets cancer and goes back to the carpet store. 1404 01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:22.600 Yeah, and he like wakes up, He's like, where's my wife, 1405 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:23.319 where's my family? 1406 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:26.479 Because psychedelic experiences and your death experiences sometimes people have this. 1407 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:28.840 So what I was thinking about with this is all 1408 01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:33.000 you really need to do is create some sort of mechanism, algorithm, 1409 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:38.520 whatever framework, quantum foam, anything like that to apprehend one 1410 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:40.880 hundred percent of the perspective of the occupant. 1411 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:41.720 That's all you need to do. 1412 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:43.880 And then I was thinking to that Vitruvian man thing, 1413 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:45.399 and this kind of terrifies me. To be honest, if 1414 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.560 I'm being super honest with a little claustrophobic, is that 1415 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:51.439 maybe your reality ends right at the tips of your fingers, 1416 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.960 as far as you can spread in any direction, and 1417 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.039 that that's where your reality ends. Because then if this 1418 01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:58.920 is just an apprehension of perception, you could stand at 1419 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:00.960 the edge of what you're thinking is the Grand Canyon 1420 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:05.359 and be so immersed in the fact that you perceive vastness. 1421 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:07.960 It doesn't need to be fast, you just perceive it 1422 01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:08.279 that way. 1423 01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:13.119 It gives credence to what's something called Bomian decoherence. So basically, 1424 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.159 this idea that you are rendering with your environment. But 1425 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:18.520 when I say the word rendering, great care pay But 1426 01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:20.560 this idea that there's an organic. 1427 01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.279 Sort of ebb and flow with your local environment. 1428 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:24.840 You begin to walk into a particular area or something 1429 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:27.079 like that, and what ends up happening is that environment 1430 01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.279 makes subtle adjustments because it must correspond to what you 1431 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:34.119 intend and want. Although if you are consciously not aware 1432 01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:36.439 that that is the case, it becomes quite easy to 1433 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:38.159 realize that to. 1434 01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:40.680 Then start throwing around the word trap and what have you. Right, So, 1435 01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:42.079 and that's. 1436 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.680 Where like I wanted to really step into thank you 1437 01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.359 for saying that. I wanted to really step into it 1438 01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.880 and say that I don't feel that this is a trap, right, 1439 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:52.199 It's a an experience, it's a ride, and that's that's 1440 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:55.239 really how I'll put this. And so I jokingly say 1441 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.039 the claustrophobic thing, but what I mean to say is 1442 01:21:57.239 --> 01:22:00.479 that it's so good that it can apprehend yourself in 1443 01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:02.600 every direction. Right, and then we get back to those 1444 01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:05.119 you know, brains and a bad idea, all of those 1445 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:06.520 kind of things. But what I will say to this 1446 01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:10.199 is then you would say that even the apprehension of 1447 01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:12.399 your perspective, and then we start talking about the simulation, 1448 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:14.640 and then we start talking about this critical mass, and 1449 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.479 then you apply this to spiritual things because then you know, 1450 01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:19.199 we have many lenses, and thank god we do the 1451 01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:20.399 shows we do to where it's not. 1452 01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:21.800 Just this is what aliens are. 1453 01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:23.720 Like, we really dive into many, many things and look 1454 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:25.880 at this with many lenses. And so through those lenses 1455 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.319 we're able to see the teachings of Dolores Canon talking 1456 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.680 about a split perhaps, and in the law of one 1457 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.359 talking about this split perhaps, and then perhaps there's this 1458 01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:37.199 critical mass of consciousness that's here that would then render 1459 01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:38.239 the simulation. 1460 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:41.119 That's what I was just going to bring up. 1461 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:45.520 Is this this critical mass? Is this unseen force that's 1462 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.840 that holds everything together? Is this what we could consider 1463 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:50.640 pure consciousness? 1464 01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:54.760 In my opinion, there's a fantastic paper written about twenty 1465 01:22:54.840 --> 01:23:00.840 years ago approximately by doctor Robert Baker Bob Baker, and 1466 01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:04.119 the paper is called Our Mind looks at Us and 1467 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.279 I find it very interesting because it speaks to this 1468 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:09.720 idea of what's called brain theory, but not b r 1469 01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:12.880 AI N b r A N E. This idea that, 1470 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:16.119 for example, if I may draw it out very quickly, 1471 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:20.039 it's this idea of doing basically to Einstein what Einstein 1472 01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:22.039 did to Newton, which is what I meant earlier about 1473 01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.600 the difference between science and technology. It's not perhaps that 1474 01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.199 these beings, some of them, sure, but are far more 1475 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:28.319 ahead of us technologically. 1476 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:29.039 That's a different thing. 1477 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.119 The question is is there more more fundamental understanding to 1478 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:35.159 the universe that we, at least publicly have not yet discerned, 1479 01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:38.279 understood or tap et cetera, which would give credence to 1480 01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:42.279 this idea that for a moment, we may be existing. 1481 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:49.640 If I may on, for example, some type of I 1482 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:53.159 will draw this out here like this, some type of 1483 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:57.039 reality where this would be there would be an unlimited 1484 01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.199 amount of levels, if you want to call it, and 1485 01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.600 we would be existing thing on one of them, which 1486 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.920 would give credence to this idea of again the multiverse, 1487 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:07.560 parallel realities. It would open up all of that. I 1488 01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.680 find it very interesting that when you look, for example, 1489 01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:13.399 at the way in which if we were to say 1490 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:17.039 we are existing within let's just say reality number one 1491 01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:20.680 at the very top here, by living in the present, 1492 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:23.960 you are generating both the future and the past. And 1493 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.760 so what's happening here is say this is the future 1494 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.359 and that's the past. By living in the moment, you 1495 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:33.920 are dictating a full on again say this carefully rendering 1496 01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:37.359 of your experience that is constant. That is, for example, 1497 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:39.840 that would give credence to what we discuss about, like 1498 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.279 with the Mandela effect. Let's say, now, for example, don't 1499 01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:46.520 get me wrong, I'm certain that there are I'm fairly 1500 01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:49.239 certain there are external elements at play there, but external 1501 01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:52.680 elements that harness our internal ones. We just don't realize 1502 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.840 that we're internally utilizing such so therefore that would give 1503 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:58.199 credence to the rise, like for example, the Mandela effect 1504 01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:02.000 as a mass conscient and not necessarily everybody, but you 1505 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.079 know a number of people and even individuals that are 1506 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:06.359 strong enough to be aware of this and do this 1507 01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:08.439 on their own as I'm sure, I'm sure sure there 1508 01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.680 are packets or patches of people around the planet that 1509 01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:14.359 have done so. They realize this particular case, that there 1510 01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.880 are multiple or an infinite amount of realities if we 1511 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:18.560 want to call it. But by living in the present, 1512 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.880 you generate both the future and the past, and then 1513 01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:24.640 what comes from there essentially is that both the past 1514 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:30.520 is then re rendered relative to your present time, and 1515 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:33.319 so is the future. If you catch my drift, and 1516 01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:35.560 now you can say, well, would this be akin to say, 1517 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:38.680 you know, frames on a movie, film film or frame 1518 01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:40.520 dragging or whatever you want to call it, And I 1519 01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.439 would say, yeah. 1520 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:47.680 Interesting, So go ahead burn no, no, please, please, no. 1521 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:52.159 I was just gonna get your thoughts on the possibilities 1522 01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:57.680 that this consciousness energy, whatever this is that we're dealing with, 1523 01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:04.760 this unseen force, can manifest itself physically, say as an entity, 1524 01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:07.840 say as a cryptid creature, as a bigfoot. Can this 1525 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:15.520 pure consciousness manifest into our reality as a physicality. 1526 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:16.039 If I well, if we go back very quickly, first off, 1527 01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:19.359 I would say yes, and I'll explain why I'm making 1528 01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:22.319 this very brief here so as to not get all 1529 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:25.159 you know, scientific and all that. But people talk about 1530 01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.640 quite often being able to see things in the dark 1531 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:29.600 much better with the corner of their eyes rather than 1532 01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:32.439 looking at directly at it. Many people have claimed they've 1533 01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:34.960 seen spirits with the corner of their eyes, and bigfoot 1534 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.239 and what have you. And I think that what we're 1535 01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:39.640 seeing in those particular regards. That's not to say people 1536 01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.479 haven't seen them directly straight up. But it's interesting to 1537 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.039 note that photons, as we know it publicly, are the 1538 01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:47.720 only particles in which we can observe one hundred percent 1539 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.119 of the spectrum of And it's almost as if there's 1540 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:54.920 this idea of again some type of we could say, 1541 01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:57.720 learning mechanism for us to then break out of in 1542 01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:01.199 that sense with regards to the weak feel equivalents principle, 1543 01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:03.640 as we discussed earlier, where photons when they start to 1544 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:07.319 bend you start to see things outside of this particular spectrum. Now, 1545 01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:09.600 it's interesting that if you think with the corner of 1546 01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:11.920 your eye and you start to see, sorry, you start 1547 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:13.600 to see things with the corner of your eye, and 1548 01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.720 you start to think, well, that's just nonsense, or what 1549 01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:18.399 have you. It's very possible that what is being observed 1550 01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:20.680 there is something outside or at the very limits of 1551 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:24.600 the boundaries of the confinement of the predesignated energetic paradigm. 1552 01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:26.840 We may be within and I say that because that 1553 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:30.479 gives direct credence to what's called angular momentum in quantum 1554 01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:34.760 field theory, which speaks directly to basically, vortex is instead 1555 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.359 of straight lines. So this idea that a fractal like 1556 01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:40.439 vortex may have. We may be within one layer, but 1557 01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:42.359 there are just like an onion, there are many internal 1558 01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:45.600 layers and many external layers as well. So that may 1559 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:50.640 be it's very similar to doing scientifically to Einstein's general 1560 01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:54.039 relativity what Einstein did to Newton, in the sense of basically, 1561 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:56.359 I mean, arguably people said that it was more like 1562 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.680 Einstein did it was more like Maxwell completed it. 1563 01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:01.800 But any that's a different debate. 1564 01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:04.199 But the idea that it's not that there's missing, that 1565 01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:07.439 there's technology we don't understand, but rather fundamental science that 1566 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:12.079 is missing that, once implemented into general relativity, completes the 1567 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:13.960 whole entire aspect of a. 1568 01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:16.159 Unified field theory or understanding everything. 1569 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:18.960 So there's been this strong proposal that there is perhaps 1570 01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:22.800 a missing key that general relativity special relativity, it would 1571 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:24.800 be let's put that aside for a moment. But general 1572 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:27.319 relativity is not wrong, it's just that there would be 1573 01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:30.600 something missing in it. Special relativity was an attempt to 1574 01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:35.000 try and formulate an inertial frame or an inertial viewpoint 1575 01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:37.479 for every individual, which is not the case, which is 1576 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:38.159 then what gave. 1577 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.520 Rise to what's called stochastic electrodynamics. 1578 01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:44.560 Because there is no one pillar in which one everyone goes, oh, 1579 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:46.720 I agree with you on that. In terms of viewing something, 1580 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:50.680 you are the pillar by definition, So special relativity would 1581 01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:53.359 be thrown out the window, and this new variable that 1582 01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:56.359 would then complete general relativity, would give credence to everything 1583 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:57.479 that we'd be discussing here. 1584 01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:05.239 Man, it seems like this universal consciousness is actually communicating 1585 01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:09.520 with folks like yourself, Dave, Folks like yourself, Brandon, Folks 1586 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:14.680 like myself, people who are breaking these codes, cracking things 1587 01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:18.319 like anti gravity. It's like this consciousness wants us to 1588 01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:21.399 have a better understanding of what's going on so that 1589 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:26.399 we can free ourselves out of a certain construct are 1590 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.560 constructed aspect of this matrix. 1591 01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:31.439 Right, I'd say, so I think of it like an 1592 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.800 alarm clock. Like think of the awakening as like an 1593 01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.000 alarm clock. Let's say that you did choose to be here, 1594 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:37.840 and then it's not a trap because I choose a 1595 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:39.960 bounce optimness in that way, and so therefore that's what 1596 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:41.600 it is for me. And let's say that this is 1597 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.000 an experience where you fractal lies. Now, it doesn't also 1598 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:46.439 mean that there aren't something referred to as n PC's 1599 01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:49.720 or non playable characters, because that would be necessary for 1600 01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:52.520 an experience like let's say it's still maybe all you 1601 01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:55.439 or maybe your everything anyway, but it's let's separate it 1602 01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:57.880 out just for the for the thought of it, to 1603 01:29:57.920 --> 01:29:59.600 keep it kind of straight. And let's say that it's 1604 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:01.239 part of the game. Let's say that you buy a 1605 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:03.560 video game and some other dimension and that this is it, 1606 01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:05.560 or you take a bong rip and this is it, 1607 01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:08.960 and basically you go into this world where there's fractualized 1608 01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:11.840 versions of you, and perhaps you split yourself into I 1609 01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:15.159 don't know, one hundred and forty four thousand different versions 1610 01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:17.760 of you, and anything else out here is just in 1611 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:20.239 PCs or just employees of the situation. 1612 01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:21.239 They're parts of the game. 1613 01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:23.479 They're here to lead you on side quests and to 1614 01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:25.680 get you caught up, but also to get you freed. 1615 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:27.760 And then maybe this one hundred and forty four thousand things, 1616 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.760 whatever that is, if that's even a thing, then that's us, 1617 01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:33.840 whatever us is assimilating back into the unity and at 1618 01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:35.760 least making contact and speaking with each other. 1619 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:36.520 Like maybe that's it. 1620 01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:38.479 It's just sort of a tag, you're it, and we 1621 01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:41.039 all make sort of this cognitive contact with one another. 1622 01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.439 Now the other thing too, this is whenever you start 1623 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:45.960 to think about this in the sense of it being 1624 01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:49.239 sort of this isolated environment again, I think of perhaps 1625 01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:51.880 an awakening would be just that. I mean, maybe it's 1626 01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:54.000 phrase as such, the game is over, or you've been 1627 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:56.159 asleep for too long, or the bong hits wearing off, 1628 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:58.399 or your alarm clock's going off in the other dimension, 1629 01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:01.439 whatever you want to say. Fractalized versions of you now 1630 01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:04.920 are being incentivized to speed up the game, to go 1631 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:07.479 ahead and reassemble if you haven't figured it out by now. 1632 01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:09.439 It's sort of like an escape room if anybody's ever 1633 01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:10.079 done one of those. 1634 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.880 I really see it as like play, like really playful. 1635 01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:15.119 Same thing as from a couple of reports of people 1636 01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:17.840 in the Ease that come back and they say, holy shit, dude, 1637 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:18.600 it's so simple. 1638 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:19.279 It's so easy. 1639 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:20.960 It's just a fucking game. Like I get it, I 1640 01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:23.840 see it all. It's all for show, and like these 1641 01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:25.960 awarenesses where they get they just see it. They're just like, 1642 01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:27.880 oh my god, people are taking this seriously, are you 1643 01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:31.279 kidding me? It's this interesting thing. And then especially folks 1644 01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.840 who have actually died. There are people that I've talked 1645 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:36.520 to that have sat with their family members that were 1646 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:38.479 passing over and they said that all of a sudden, 1647 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.239 their vision changed, and they said that they looked around 1648 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:42.960 with this surprised look on their face and they just 1649 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.800 start laughing. And this is like second as they're taking 1650 01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.039 their last breath, this is what they're seeing, and they 1651 01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:48.880 just start laughing. 1652 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.319 They go, oh my god, it's so simple. It's so simple. 1653 01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:53.000 There are multiple accounts. 1654 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.239 Where people have referred to this at their last moments, 1655 01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:56.479 like they can see something. 1656 01:31:56.920 --> 01:31:59.119 Now, if you don't mind, can you allow me to 1657 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:02.079 share this? You just got quickure on Okay. 1658 01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:04.159 So one of the things that we were talking about 1659 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.840 here was this idea of a fractalized or what the 1660 01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:09.560 environment may look like now maybe And I've worked a 1661 01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:11.920 lot of simulation arguments and talks, and we went through 1662 01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:13.560 a lot of sci fi things, which I'll show you 1663 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:14.439 the notepad of here. 1664 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:15.560 It's incredible. 1665 01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:17.319 But one of the things I kind of wanted to 1666 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:20.279 point out here was this idea that the ancients knew 1667 01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:23.239 for a long time. One of the models that we 1668 01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:26.439 came to is actually this exact Norse model. It's basically 1669 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:28.880 that we're on a table. There's a box with wires 1670 01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:32.560 cut into it with a all of our fractalized versions 1671 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:34.680 basically connected with a chord. 1672 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:38.000 Now, what do you hear in mediumship? This cord? This string? 1673 01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:41.319 You hear about this golden thread or this cable that's 1674 01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.199 connecting us to something. Perhaps it's like a main frame 1675 01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:46.560 of sorts. Again, you don't need to get cold with 1676 01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:48.800 the mechanics of it. It could be an organic simulation again, 1677 01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:51.199 sort of a thing, don't limit it by what humans 1678 01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:53.720 tell you as possible. Okay, so then you fixture this 1679 01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:55.800 thing on like a table, and that maybe your physical 1680 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:58.760 body is laying out here somewhere. Maybe the Egyptians had 1681 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:00.399 it more right, Maybe this is your physic body in 1682 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:01.119 another dimension. 1683 01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:03.079 That tree, by the way underneath in the Norse one 1684 01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.439 there also describes the the Lorenz vector gage. 1685 01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:08.920 Yeah, so there's a lot of math in this as well. 1686 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:11.600 We figured out a lot of like diagrams for electric 1687 01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:13.399 originary you're asimuth perspective. 1688 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:16.199 You have a lot of these different yeah, yeah. 1689 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:16.520 Crazy awesome shit. 1690 01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:19.720 And then you also have again these ideals again the 1691 01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.560 or bores, which we see quite a bit, this Hindu 1692 01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:22.760 representation of an on. 1693 01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:24.600 The back and these stacked things. 1694 01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:26.399 And if you, let's say you were an ancient person, 1695 01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:29.560 you were taken out in a ufo perhaps, and it's 1696 01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:31.600 one of these entities that maybe on the outside of 1697 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:33.880 this thing that can come in here rab a little 1698 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:36.159 piece of your consciousness and zoom you back out, because 1699 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:37.880 that's part of the game. Maybe part of the game 1700 01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:39.399 is to be able to zoom you out here, to 1701 01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:41.239 give you a perspective of it and then drop you 1702 01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:43.760 back off. And then this seemed to happen to the 1703 01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:46.279 Inca of the Navajo, the Hebrew Nasa. 1704 01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:51.000 I love the oh. I just saw that, Okay, I 1705 01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:51.520 just saw that. 1706 01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:52.199 It's wonderful. 1707 01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:52.640 Okay. 1708 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.079 And then the Mayaan, the Hindu Norse again, and then 1709 01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:58.159 the Egyptian and it's just really interesting that they weren't 1710 01:33:58.159 --> 01:33:58.920 connected at all. 1711 01:33:59.000 --> 01:33:59.800 But you don't have to be. 1712 01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:02.119 You're thinking the hundredth monkey effect now that if you 1713 01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:04.399 were shown something at a deep, deep, deep level, and 1714 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:06.039 the Shamans are shown things. 1715 01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:08.439 Well, then that's what is the What is the hundredth 1716 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:10.279 monkey effect that we currently don't right. 1717 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:12.119 I mean, maybe it's our higher selves again getting these 1718 01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:14.760 downloads or codes from again the game, which again is 1719 01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:16.720 just your higher selves. Like all of these things tie 1720 01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:20.880 in now to this idea of higher selves, spirituality, all 1721 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:21.840 of it ties in together. 1722 01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:25.359 That's why I have to lean towards that this is 1723 01:34:25.399 --> 01:34:28.560 for us, and it's not some arconic overlay where there 1724 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:32.239 are some kind of demonic entities siphoning our energy like 1725 01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:35.800 batteries and bring these little pods with goo that have 1726 01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:39.439 these tubes stuck into our brain projecting this reality. I'd 1727 01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:41.319 like to think that maybe this is for us, that 1728 01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.119 either we created it for ourselves, or it's an experience 1729 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:49.680 that is built into our reality to have our spiritual 1730 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:54.119 advancement and evolution, or maybe we throw some of these, 1731 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:57.800 you know, it's an experience for us, and we throw 1732 01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:03.680 ourselves maybe mystical, paranormal or spiritual experiences like pressing a 1733 01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:06.239 cheat code in a video game to help us progress 1734 01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:08.159 a little bit faster. I don't know what do you 1735 01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:10.840 guys think. 1736 01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.479 I think it's it's equivalent with respects to like to 1737 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.159 your point, like a one in zero scenario, I think 1738 01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:17.159 you have, for example, the. 1739 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:20.439 Potential for that to be the case. 1740 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:23.119 You also, and this speaks to existing within the present 1741 01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:26.119 time and living in the present instead of for example, 1742 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:28.720 it's much easier said than done, but harping on something 1743 01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:30.560 that would be, you know, something in the past which 1744 01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.479 would be giving rise or manifestation to depression, and then 1745 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:36.359 of course thinking about something in the future that has 1746 01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:38.640 not yet happened or may not happen at all, gives 1747 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:40.880 credence to the concept of you know, anxiety and what 1748 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.319 have you with respects to anticipation, and so by living 1749 01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:46.119 in the present, you then begin to dictate and realize 1750 01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:48.199 more of what perhaps may be around you, and those 1751 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:52.159 terms begin to then we could say, subside to more 1752 01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:55.319 of a realization that is indescribable in a verbal sense. 1753 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:57.800 And I think that that speaks to again this idea 1754 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:01.359 of are there. In my view, there are negative elements 1755 01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:03.760 that we're here, still here and all that, sure, But 1756 01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:05.600 I think that that's just looking at one half of 1757 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:08.039 the glass. I think you also have to look, for example, 1758 01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.680 at the other half as well, which speaks to the 1759 01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:13.800 the more people realize by definition that there's a there's 1760 01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.600 a very strong positive element to all of this, as 1761 01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:20.279 we've been discussing, just by realizing and having those conversations, 1762 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:25.840 by definition, weaken the energies, whether material or immaterial, of 1763 01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:29.279 of the more negative, potentially negative aspect of things. The 1764 01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:32.600 same way that for example, one can have a can 1765 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:34.680 either you know, have an animal and take care of 1766 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:35.880 it beautifully, or one can. 1767 01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:37.880 Have an animal and then end up eating it. 1768 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:40.119 It's truly it's a dual use type of scenario, right, 1769 01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:41.359 So that that's just my take. 1770 01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:43.680 That's that, But you know, I could be wrong myself. 1771 01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:46.560 Third scenario because there's always more potentiality should take care 1772 01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:48.600 of that animal like crazy, and you love it like 1773 01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:49.439 crazy and then. 1774 01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:51.319 You eat it and then you're right. Yeah, I like the. 1775 01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.560 Kobe beef or Wagoo, they like masageum and everything like that. 1776 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.720 They live the best lives. They die like super peaceful. Yes, yeah, 1777 01:36:57.800 --> 01:36:59.159 they get them high or something like that before. 1778 01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.600 So I was gonna say too to this is there's 1779 01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:05.479 a part of this like consciousness thing. And one of 1780 01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:08.000 the conversations we've been having about is about sort of 1781 01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:11.319 this split or this pull shift or this separation. You know, 1782 01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:13.399 it's referred to in the Bible, probably for that reading 1783 01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:16.720 level it as revelation right at the apocalypse, where there's 1784 01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:17.920 this great like you'll. 1785 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:19.880 Go here because you're good, and you'll go here because. 1786 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:22.119 You're by it and that's why Jesus say it. So 1787 01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.920 that's sort of that mentality. But one way that I've 1788 01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:27.720 been interpreting that lately more toward the again the Dolores 1789 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:30.079 canon idea of people familiar with this three D five 1790 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:34.520 D split. There's so many analogies to this. It's so fractal, 1791 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:37.079 it's everywhere. So one of the things I've been thinking of, 1792 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:39.760 because Dave's drawn pictures I'm gonna draw to. Okay, is 1793 01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:42.399 sort of this idea of this plane. Now, this is 1794 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:44.319 what the Law of One apparently talks about as well. 1795 01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:45.560 I was talking about this the other night on a 1796 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.039 show and Pat Mahn said, that's what this is. 1797 01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:48.119 So I need to read that book. 1798 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:51.119 So if you think of like linear energies, okay, like 1799 01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:55.439 we've been sort of in this other area over here 1800 01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.279 that we've filled to shit, and then we've gotten on 1801 01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.600 this plane of opportunity and this is what we call 1802 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:03.119 a choice point. You are here kind of a thing here. 1803 01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:05.239 Now we've been moving in sort of this linear faction. 1804 01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:07.399 Now the wake up has occurred, and that's what this 1805 01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:08.359 you are here is. 1806 01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:09.239 Now. 1807 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:11.119 Perhaps what all of this is then, is that those 1808 01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:13.960 that are choosing to do so are going to take 1809 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:17.359 the positive route up to expand consciousness, to fill us 1810 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:20.760 to the most that we can in this new void perspective. 1811 01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:23.600 In the same sense, those with fear, those who are 1812 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:26.960 all about the technocratic society, those who are very willing 1813 01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:29.079 to give over their free choice here are going to 1814 01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.000 be along for the ride to go down to expand 1815 01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:36.279 the most possible energies. As far as the negative poll goes, 1816 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.920 Now it's just about what you're attracted to in this life. 1817 01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:41.560 All of us sitting here just happen to be attracted 1818 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:44.680 to not you know, stabbing puppies in the face. So 1819 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:48.399 because of that, we're I believe, on this direction here. Now, 1820 01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:50.399 this split is probably going to be more of a 1821 01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:53.560 physical one where there's literally going to be I don't 1822 01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:55.640 know what this proceives. We've talked about this quite a bit, 1823 01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:58.439 that this is basically where the simulation kicks into chapter 1824 01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:01.119 two or the next game, to where these people are 1825 01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:02.680 really going to experience the shit out of what they 1826 01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:05.239 chose to experience at this choice point. We find ourselves 1827 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.000 in same to this though, if you've been finding yourself 1828 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:11.159 on an avenue of service, authenticity, elation, you've been just 1829 01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:12.920 leveling up like crazy, well then. 1830 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:15.479 Cam Ow, we are spiraling up that mountain together. 1831 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:19.239 Also, if you still find yourself in fear actually, if 1832 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:21.199 you're listening to this or not on that at all. 1833 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:23.840 So yeah, how you know is if you're listening to this. 1834 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:26.680 So it's an interesting thing to sort of visualize these 1835 01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:29.039 things this way to expand and what happens when that 1836 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:31.920 In that visualization, you can sort of look at that 1837 01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:33.880 as what a tower of Babel, Right, this is the 1838 01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.279 idea of reaching up and expanding out to get to 1839 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:39.520 the heavens to break out. Now again, I'm not sure 1840 01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:42.760 if this is sort of a physical breakout, you know, 1841 01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:46.760 but I do see you know, Operation Height, fish Bowl 1842 01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:48.640 and stuff where they were launching nukes at something and 1843 01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:49.920 that didn't seem to do it. 1844 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:51.760 So maybe it's love or something else. 1845 01:39:51.640 --> 01:39:51.800 You know. 1846 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:55.239 Yeah, it makes me think of how many ways there 1847 01:39:55.319 --> 01:40:00.159 are to manipulate and manifest things into our reality. Look 1848 01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:04.840 at things like magic and rituals and o'c caull practices. 1849 01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:08.840 There are so many different ways that they're singing, dancing, 1850 01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:14.279 chance spells, sigils, all these different ways of manipulating energy 1851 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:20.159 to affect a physical, possible physical outcome into our reality. 1852 01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:25.439 There would be probably infinite ways of achieving any type 1853 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:30.199 of I guess you could say goal or physical physical 1854 01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:31.359 goal for this reality. 1855 01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:31.640 Right. 1856 01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:35.039 If I could say to that point, I think there's 1857 01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:39.119 there would be a finite amount within this reality. But 1858 01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:41.720 then as there would be another layer outside of this one, 1859 01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:44.600 in a hypothetical or speculative sense, you'd have an expansion 1860 01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:47.399 from this one in terms of say, for example, we 1861 01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:50.039 have x amount of periodic you know, elements on the 1862 01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:50.920 periodic table. 1863 01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:52.079 In this reality. 1864 01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:54.720 There may be another layer, if you will, but that 1865 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:59.720 is not only comprised of energies that would be assembled 1866 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:02.359 from the elements we do know, but also have elements 1867 01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:04.439 that we don't know as well. So I think there 1868 01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:07.920 would be an infinite amount of, say on a grand scale, 1869 01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:11.279 outside of this reality. The experience is infinite and limitless, 1870 01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:13.720 which speaks to philosophically the joy being in the journey. 1871 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:17.279 And I think that in this reality, because of the 1872 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:20.880 the we could say densification of matter to a particular regard, 1873 01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:24.359 there are certainly many ways. There's not just one way, 1874 01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:27.279 but there are many ways to tap this ability to 1875 01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:30.479 manipulate say this particular reality or the metric of this 1876 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:32.520 reality and all of that. It is of my very 1877 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:36.399 humble opinion that it is there would just like with 1878 01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:39.520 everything in terms of circulation, in this reality, there are 1879 01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:45.000 a finite set of possibilities that could occur. But then 1880 01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:48.880 there is also outside of this reality, by definition of 1881 01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:51.920 going through the layers, an infinite set that could occur. 1882 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:54.880 So you can take some of that that for lack 1883 01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:58.600 of a better definition, wildcard variable that is not pre 1884 01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:01.840 designated to be puted in this reality to then enter 1885 01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:07.319 this reality in a very we could say non expected 1886 01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:11.760 form in the sense of say, superpositioning and superdeterminism and 1887 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.399 all of this in the sense that there are many 1888 01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:18.119 different routes. Certain in terms of internal paths of choice 1889 01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:21.359 I believe are infinite. In terms of material, I think 1890 01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:25.199 the material is a reminiscent, is a residue of the 1891 01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:29.279 internal infinite state that we then give rise to via 1892 01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:33.439 our intent, and that material external we could say propagation 1893 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:38.479 of particles and energies is finite relative to our belief system, 1894 01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:40.680 if that makes sense. And so I think what we 1895 01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:43.039 look at or when we see that there is we're 1896 01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:46.720 trying to basically understand. Let me give you a practical 1897 01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:51.039 example when we talk about let's think of, say, for example, 1898 01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:54.000 you know, things like missiles and bombs and what have you. 1899 01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.399 What we're seeing there is, in my. 1900 01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:59.880 Opinion, an example of what it's like. I said this 1901 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:02.760 brand in the other night. When particles are fighting with 1902 01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:07.199 each other, it creates a very destructive explosion because there's 1903 01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:10.039 no space for the understanding of the particles to Then 1904 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:14.199 we could say phase lock within or you know, cohesively 1905 01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:18.279 integrate themselves into. So what we know as an explosion occurs. 1906 01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:22.159 If there was a proper we could say, I don't 1907 01:43:22.199 --> 01:43:24.039 want to use the word proper. If there was a 1908 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:28.560 grander insight into doing something more benevolent than making weapons, 1909 01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.800 you would get the particles to make love instead of fight, 1910 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.520 like literally by definition, and this would be this would 1911 01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:38.159 be what in optics, for example, with respects to say 1912 01:43:38.279 --> 01:43:42.920 unstable resonators, Faraday rotators, different types of what would be 1913 01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:46.279 called vector summation thresholds or vector thresholds. This would be 1914 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:49.920 called phase locking in particle physics. Whether it's within chemistry 1915 01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:51.880 or optics or you know, you name it, it would 1916 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:54.199 be the same across the board. So in other words, 1917 01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:57.920 the idea would be that we're trying to get without 1918 01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:00.840 realizing it, we're trying to get the part particles and 1919 01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:04.119 energies all around us to make love. But the everyday, say, 1920 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:08.319 distractions cause our intent to then manifest more of that 1921 01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:11.680 class half empty type perspective, which then causes more and 1922 01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:16.279 more derivation on a grander scale to and dissemination of 1923 01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:17.800 infighting of particles. 1924 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:20.159 And we can argue that we ourselves are a particle and. 1925 01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:22.439 So that that then gives rise to things, for example, 1926 01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:25.039 like the Boltzmann brain and all that kind of stuff. 1927 01:44:25.079 --> 01:44:27.920 And so, yeah. 1928 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:29.000 That's so interesting. And I want to go back to 1929 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:32.359 what Brandon was saying about how folks are either going 1930 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:36.319 through this ascension process, are they're getting sucked even deeper 1931 01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:41.640 into the material realms and the nonsense that's going on. Well, eventually, 1932 01:44:42.279 --> 01:44:45.479 won't both of extreme both of the both of those 1933 01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:48.840 extremes be true. Won't there be people sucked into AI 1934 01:44:49.000 --> 01:44:52.880 ready player one land and in this the matrix within 1935 01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:55.439 the matrix, and then they'll have people folks like us 1936 01:44:55.479 --> 01:44:58.800 homesteading and having our own you know, growing our own food, 1937 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:01.359 helping people and their lives and doing the things that 1938 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:04.640 we do. Couldn't both be true at the same time. Eventually? 1939 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:07.920 Yes, if I could say very quickly, yes, go ahead. 1940 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:10.880 I want it similar to the anc or the sort 1941 01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:12.560 of the the why, if you want to call it, 1942 01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:14.800 the there's going to be, in my opinion, there's going 1943 01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:17.720 to be a split. A reality in my opinion, is 1944 01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:20.960 approaching a threshold of a superposition where you're going to 1945 01:45:21.039 --> 01:45:24.439 have x amount of individuals that, depending on their uh, 1946 01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:27.920 you know many different variables of their life, but whether 1947 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:32.359 they have internally, in my view, because it's by definition 1948 01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:34.159 in the science that a lot of it has largely 1949 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:36.479 been you know, locked up at least in North America 1950 01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:39.319 and the West, what we're going to see is a 1951 01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:42.760 split where, for example, there will be suddenly a new 1952 01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:46.520 form of energy and realization of both literal, physical and 1953 01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:52.640 non material concepts over the next tops tops tops fifteen years. 1954 01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:53.079 In my opinion. 1955 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:55.279 And then what you'll have from from there is the 1956 01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:58.520 people that don't see it by definition of not but 1957 01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:00.920 not necessarily having to believe it to be opened and 1958 01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:04.239 to something new. By definition of these individuals not seeing it, 1959 01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:06.479 it will just simply be another day for them, and 1960 01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:08.880 there would be no difference in changing their reality. And 1961 01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:11.359 so what you have then is, depending on where you are, 1962 01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:16.640 both will be true, but neither simultaneously and respectively. 1963 01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.000 So this is what's called a super quantum potential. 1964 01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:22.239 Basically, Dave, how far do you think that they can 1965 01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:27.439 take the modern technological horrors such as AI and the 1966 01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:31.159 intelligence behind that. Are you concerned with those realms and 1967 01:46:31.199 --> 01:46:33.119 the people that'll be deeply involved in. 1968 01:46:33.079 --> 01:46:38.079 That, If an honest, honest, honest perspective from what I 1969 01:46:38.119 --> 01:46:41.920 can speak on, I'm very disappointed in the of course 1970 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:44.239 this speaks to something grander, like Churchill called it the 1971 01:46:44.520 --> 01:46:46.119 Great Cabal, if we want to call it that. But 1972 01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:48.560 I'm very disappointed in the fact that there were discoveries 1973 01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:51.640 made many decades ago in particle physics that were never revealed, 1974 01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:54.000 that could have been applied to every single field, and 1975 01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:57.279 that would have therefore, by definition, changed the understanding of 1976 01:46:57.359 --> 01:46:59.720 what we're even going through now, say, even in modern times, 1977 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:02.720 with the events of say, perhaps you know, the Ukraine War, 1978 01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:05.640 whatever the case is, right, I think that that understanding 1979 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.880 of particle physics if as Einstein said, if I'm paraphrasing here, 1980 01:47:09.319 --> 01:47:11.439 if and I wish it was, which it could be, 1981 01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:13.920 in my opinion, explained at a very simple level, so 1982 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:15.840 not everyone needs to be into science to get it. 1983 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:18.079 If that was revealed at the time in which it 1984 01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:20.960 was discovered, relative to modern history post World War two, 1985 01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:24.039 I think we would be having a very different conversation 1986 01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:27.520 in general now in terms of AI. In all of that, 1987 01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:31.039 I'm not necessarily scared at all with what is public 1988 01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:35.079 right now. I am again and I am very dare 1989 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:39.319 I say frightened by the what is behind the scenes, 1990 01:47:39.359 --> 01:47:41.960 and largely because of the fact that there's a lack 1991 01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:44.960 of general understanding of how it works, which goes right 1992 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:50.920 back to my again unfortunate disappointment in the again cover 1993 01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:53.680 up of certain revelations that were made in particle physics 1994 01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:56.960 many decades ago. So do I say, does that mean 1995 01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:59.479 I have a negative aspect? No, absolutely not, absolutely not. 1996 01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:02.399 But I think that there's been a I think that 1997 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:05.720 it would be it would be I would be remissed 1998 01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:08.239 basically if I just sat here and said, well, I 1999 01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:09.399 think it's all going to be fine. 2000 01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:11.279 I think people like ourselves will be fine. 2001 01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:14.560 I think for in that particular regard, because we will 2002 01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:17.720 be able to discern, whether intuition or otherwise, with our 2003 01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:21.359 own perspective and decide what we want to just you know, 2004 01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:25.479 understand this potential AI you know, benefit and or threat 2005 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.399 as But I think we're going to have a I 2006 01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:32.640 think if if there was more of a metaphysical and 2007 01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:35.279 more of a general knowledge based understanding of this stuff, 2008 01:48:35.319 --> 01:48:38.319 I wouldn't be as hesitant to say what I just said. 2009 01:48:38.600 --> 01:48:40.199 Hmm, Right on. 2010 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:46.199 Now, Brandon, you mentioned the possibility earlier of exiting the matrix. 2011 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:49.119 We hear this a lot in our in our circles, 2012 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:53.119 people talking about is it possible to exit this what 2013 01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:57.439 we understand as holographic reality or matrix? Is it that 2014 01:48:57.479 --> 01:48:59.960 we would be able to exit or just is it 2015 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.560 that we'll be able to see more clearly what is 2016 01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:08.199 beyond our limited perception at the moment? What do you think. 2017 01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:09.880 You could could argue that's one and the same. 2018 01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:11.720 Yeah, it's both. It's just snowball effect. 2019 01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.840 So as we begin to see, you're basically unfogging the 2020 01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:17.680 glass of the dome and you're being able to see things, 2021 01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:20.279 but they've manifest here in the way that reality can 2022 01:49:20.319 --> 01:49:22.039 manifest in any way, because it seems to be like 2023 01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:23.359 just structure of strings. 2024 01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:26.720 Like in the end of what was that movie with 2025 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:28.520 Matthew McConaughey. 2026 01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:30.479 A'll ride out right, Oh interestal, thank you, Interstellar at 2027 01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:31.520 the end where he's just in that. 2028 01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:34.399 That was stream in time space, whereas we would be 2029 01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:35.479 existing in space time. 2030 01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:35.960 There you go. 2031 01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:39.520 And so the opposite of that, and so you have 2032 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:43.239 all this maluability here, and so things I think that 2033 01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:45.760 are occurring are and we've talked about and and now 2034 01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:47.760 that we that he's been here, all of these things 2035 01:49:47.800 --> 01:49:50.800 pop up, like the thought of the phenomena all being 2036 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:52.880 one thing, or that it all being jin or that 2037 01:49:52.960 --> 01:49:54.640 it's all just sort of a trickster thing that could 2038 01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:56.720 shape shift. And then i'm, you know, applying then the 2039 01:49:56.720 --> 01:49:58.760 filter of like, okay, well, they're just employees of this 2040 01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:00.600 place here to wake you up. So then when we 2041 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:03.760 talk about this split sort of a thing, then we 2042 01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:07.000 apply sort of the conversations we've had about the simulation 2043 01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:09.600 about NPCs and about sort of a certain percentage of 2044 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:12.760 people here, let's say a great deal of them aren't real, 2045 01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.880 let's say players of the game. They're again just sort 2046 01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:18.119 of employees of the haunted house running around to scare you. 2047 01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:22.000 But in that same respect, they hold energetic power here 2048 01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:24.600 in the same way that you do. Now, as you ascend, 2049 01:50:25.039 --> 01:50:27.399 the equal and opposite reaction must occur, like what I 2050 01:50:27.439 --> 01:50:30.039 had showed over there in the drawing, as you go up, 2051 01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:33.279 the forces go down. They must counter each other in 2052 01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:35.720 equal and opposite direction, sort of like a sign wave. 2053 01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:37.640 If a sign goes up, sign goes down. But it's 2054 01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:41.239 the negative dotted line. It's the underneath of the visible 2055 01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:43.920 sign wave that's there. It's the one underneath that it's 2056 01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:47.399 trough at your apex, so as you expand, it expands 2057 01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.680 as well, which then again would anchor this lower energy. 2058 01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:53.479 Reminded again of the quotes like a man can't reach 2059 01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:56.359 to heaven unless's roots reach to hell. All of these things, 2060 01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:58.800 so you send those pieces of the experience down as 2061 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:02.439 you ascend in consciousness. Really the key is having conversations 2062 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:04.720 like this unfogging the glass that's in my mind, what 2063 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:05.920 this tower of babble is. 2064 01:51:05.920 --> 01:51:07.560 This is sension, this thirty three. 2065 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:09.640 This portionality constant. 2066 01:51:10.039 --> 01:51:13.399 Yeah, dude, I mean it's it's this just you you were, 2067 01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:16.079 and then as it goes, it's a snowball effect. So 2068 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:18.239 the more things were able to perceive, like if you 2069 01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:20.800 were okay, Chris, with an alien just popping in your 2070 01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:24.000 room right now, we'd be closer to being able to 2071 01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:25.960 do that. But I'm not that cool with that, you know. 2072 01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:28.920 I'm okay with like one being introduced to one or 2073 01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:30.920 being like knowing that it's coming. But as far as 2074 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:33.920 sudden shock introduction or pop in you know, these in 2075 01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:37.159 those super things that may freak you out your consciousness 2076 01:51:37.239 --> 01:51:40.039 or the game which is religious you perhaps that what 2077 01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:42.319 I'm looking at it as wouldn't do that to you 2078 01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:45.600 because it's counterproductive to the experience of waking up, Because 2079 01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:47.640 waking up, you don't want to be shaken awake, you 2080 01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:48.079 know what I mean. 2081 01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:49.960 You want to be eased into it. Maybe hit the 2082 01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:50.760 snooze a little bit. 2083 01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:53.000 This is what they say about twenty twelve, that there 2084 01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:55.159 was actually a reset, that there was a snooze button 2085 01:51:55.239 --> 01:51:57.920 hit on the ending of the simulation because we weren't 2086 01:51:57.960 --> 01:51:59.960 ready enough, we needed we were still too sweet. 2087 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:04.399 Is the simulation limited to what we understand as planet Earth? 2088 01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:07.319 Do you think it goes beyond? Is the simulation the 2089 01:52:07.520 --> 01:52:12.000 entire universe? Or is there something outside of what we 2090 01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:16.079 consider our atmosphere that's not a part of the simulation? 2091 01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:17.279 What do you guys think about that? 2092 01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.279 It's all what you believe it is. So the simulation 2093 01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:22.880 started you with the story of gravity, of mom and dad, 2094 01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.279 of right and wrong, of hot and cold, of all 2095 01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:27.520 of those things, and you've really anchored into that story. 2096 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:29.800 We all have these parts of our consciousness have which 2097 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:32.840 kind of is a self built in mechanism to the simulation, 2098 01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:34.560 if you want to say it that way, Because ideally 2099 01:52:34.600 --> 01:52:37.359 anything can happen here, anything can happen here. Let's say 2100 01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:39.079 that there's a directive or a focus, that there's a 2101 01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:42.000 particular mission, and so you'd want to govern the parameters 2102 01:52:42.039 --> 01:52:45.039 in a way by therefore governing your perspective of that 2103 01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:47.680 you are this huge, infinite creator. Even when you discover 2104 01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:50.159 it within the game, your perspectives from belief a long 2105 01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:52.239 time ago are so ingrained that it would take you 2106 01:52:52.279 --> 01:52:54.880 possibly the rest of your life to unlearn those. So again, 2107 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:56.560 it sort of seems like an ice wall. It's a 2108 01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:02.720 built in environmental standard here to be part of the mechanism. 2109 01:53:02.760 --> 01:53:02.960 You know. 2110 01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:04.960 It's sort of how I see it. 2111 01:53:05.920 --> 01:53:08.199 If we think of like a sorry, if we think 2112 01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:10.680 of like a tree, and we have one branch of 2113 01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:14.840 a tree, for example, and that branch particularly can only 2114 01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:18.880 grow to the to the threshold to the extent in 2115 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:22.560 which the trunk's threshold grows perfect and so that would 2116 01:53:22.600 --> 01:53:26.039 basically be a proportionality constant. So it's still growing in 2117 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:29.279 a fractal sense, but it's based its limits are based 2118 01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:32.800 on what the trunk. Basically, the trunk's existence of being 2119 01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:36.119 permits it to. And the trunk is not necessarily saying 2120 01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:38.199 yes or no to the branch. It's just the trunk 2121 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:42.800 itself just existing already by definition of its existence, has 2122 01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:46.199 created a parameter where basically there are certain This is 2123 01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:48.920 what speaks to the concept of what's called finite theory. 2124 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.119 For example, so there's. 2125 01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:56.279 Only x amount of say, directions and growth rates and 2126 01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:59.840 growth sizes that the branch can take because it is 2127 01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:04.119 a fractal of the trunk itself. In that regard, now 2128 01:54:04.159 --> 01:54:05.880 the question is if we can get back to the 2129 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:09.760 trunk and understand the trunk for what it is by definition, 2130 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.119 then there would be an infinite amount of possibilities and 2131 01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:14.840 there would be no confinement, which speaks again to the 2132 01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:17.119 idea of just exploring what life is and the joy 2133 01:54:17.159 --> 01:54:18.760 is in the journey and so on and so forth. 2134 01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:23.960 So this also gives potential substantiation to certain elements of 2135 01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:26.720 government and military. That again, if for the sake of 2136 01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:30.239 hyper speculation, if say we assume there is one or 2137 01:54:30.279 --> 01:54:33.000 two of them out acting on good faith, stating basically that, 2138 01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:36.560 for example, the Israeli Space Defense minister who said former 2139 01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:39.600 one Maimaschad, who said that you know, there's aliens working 2140 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:41.319 with humans on Mars and all this kind of stuff, 2141 01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:42.960 and he basically came out and said, I don't care 2142 01:54:42.960 --> 01:54:45.399 if anyone laughs or believes me either way, because I 2143 01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:48.520 have my I'm retired, i have my degrees, I've written books. 2144 01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:49.359 I don't care. 2145 01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:52.159 I've gotten some of the highest clearances of Israeli government. 2146 01:54:52.760 --> 01:54:56.960 It's almost as if it's interesting to see that allegedly 2147 01:54:57.000 --> 01:54:59.399 some of these beings, whether they're us from the future 2148 01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:02.479 or not or both or you name, it always come 2149 01:55:02.520 --> 01:55:05.279 back to saying we may know more than you, but 2150 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:06.640 we don't know everything either. 2151 01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:11.079 There's a lot of exploratory processes. When contact days report 2152 01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:13.239 these great visiting their room, they'll pick up a pen 2153 01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:14.199 and just like chew on it. 2154 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:15.920 Now, what the fuck you don't know what a pin is? 2155 01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:16.199 Dude? 2156 01:55:16.279 --> 01:55:18.560 Yeah, and you're running a spaceship around like that people. 2157 01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:20.920 And this goes back to the concept of this idea 2158 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:23.119 of we have to think for a moment that if 2159 01:55:23.159 --> 01:55:25.640 that's the case, they're running these advanced ships for example, 2160 01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:28.159 and then you know, I've even spoken to people privately 2161 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:30.000 where they've claimed to have been on ships. 2162 01:55:30.039 --> 01:55:31.800 And then you know there's beings asking them why do 2163 01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:32.680 you like? You know? 2164 01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:35.920 Craft is then cloaked on a beach and they're looking 2165 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:39.119 around these beings saying, how come your people socialize like this? 2166 01:55:39.800 --> 01:55:41.640 It's very interesting to see, which is why what I 2167 01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:45.840 was saying before. They don't understand our technology, perhaps in 2168 01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:50.840 our social and anthropological you know, in certain ways interactions, 2169 01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:53.920 but they have an understanding of science, not technology, but 2170 01:55:54.079 --> 01:55:57.079 science that is very similar to what Einstein did to 2171 01:55:57.119 --> 01:56:00.159 Newton in terms of getting to more fundamental processes. So 2172 01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:03.079 they can then fly that craft or you know, mand 2173 01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:06.520 the craft or maneuver a pilot it head to other dimensions, 2174 01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:08.439 but still not know what the hell's going on, so 2175 01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:10.640 they end up chewing on a pen. Yeah, so that 2176 01:56:10.720 --> 01:56:12.920 we have to consider that as well in my opinion. 2177 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:14.960 So I definitely also have thought about this. And in 2178 01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:17.159 relation to what you said, now to the tree, real quick, 2179 01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:20.920 beautiful analogy. Trees are restricted by their environment and not 2180 01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:23.560 necessarily their genes because if we think it epigenetics, like 2181 01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:26.239 what doctor Bruce sahe Lipton talks about, how we're capable 2182 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:29.720 of extending past our genes or perceived limitations genetically. 2183 01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:32.960 Right, So to our trees. Look at Devil's Tower in 2184 01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:33.680 Wyoming Rift. 2185 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:36.399 Allegedly there's a lightar that was taken where the whole 2186 01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:38.760 root structure to match what a tree would have been 2187 01:56:38.800 --> 01:56:41.680 above that. You can take a ground penetrating radar of 2188 01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:44.359 any tree. You see the root structure underneath matches the 2189 01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:47.640 branches above basically in volume and spread, so that they 2190 01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:50.279 can support underneath what the top tree wants to experience 2191 01:56:50.279 --> 01:56:52.520 and fly and row to feed them under right, it's 2192 01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:53.600 this cyclical environment. 2193 01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:54.840 One's in the dark, one is not. 2194 01:56:55.319 --> 01:56:57.760 So it's this exact sort of model that we've been 2195 01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:01.079 talking about here with this yeah, and so what was 2196 01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:03.600 the so the tree and then what was the thing 2197 01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:04.279 you finished on. 2198 01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:07.399 About how they owe the idea of how there's a 2199 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:08.680 more fundamental. 2200 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:10.920 Yes, so grays, we've we've talked about grays, and you 2201 01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:14.800 hear contact reports of them being sort of on autonomous 2202 01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:17.680 like sort of vehicles like sort of just robots or whatever. 2203 01:57:17.960 --> 01:57:20.560 And then also contact reports have said, multiple have said 2204 01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:23.720 that the grays refer to us as vehicles as vessels. 2205 01:57:24.119 --> 01:57:26.079 So then you think, well, maybe everything here is a 2206 01:57:26.079 --> 01:57:28.399 goddamn vessel, because then you have like the matrix and 2207 01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:31.119 maybe it's not like some plug outside. 2208 01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:32.399 Speaks to what a lot of papers now have been 2209 01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:35.800 discussing in the peer reviewed literature with respects to a 2210 01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:40.239 potential holo fractal morphogenic reality, which gives rise to Boemyan 2211 01:57:40.359 --> 01:57:42.560 decoherence and bomy in holography and all that. 2212 01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:44.359 This is where you get the mister Smith effect that 2213 01:57:44.479 --> 01:57:46.640 anything can turn into a representative of the matrix at 2214 01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:48.800 any time. This is where you'll be talking to someone 2215 01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:50.800 having a normal conversation, then all of a sudden you're like, hey, 2216 01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:51.920 what do you think the good I. 2217 01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:53.399 Have to get it up for a second. You guys 2218 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:56.680 know Trey Hudson from the Metal Project. I was talking 2219 01:57:56.680 --> 01:57:58.560 to him the other day and he has the same 2220 01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:01.600 theory about the Men in Black, that they may be 2221 01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:06.359 reinhabited by this intelligences and be working on behalf of 2222 01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:08.520 something else when they go investigate these things. 2223 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:11.039 It gives credence to the idea, for example, of the 2224 01:58:11.399 --> 01:58:14.960 forming in addition to everything said here, not in replacement of, 2225 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:18.239 but in addition to eggrigors or for you know, thought 2226 01:58:18.279 --> 01:58:21.239 constants being some type of So this idea that in 2227 01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:23.760 some cases I want to be careful here because I'm 2228 01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:25.560 not saying this is the end all be all, far from, 2229 01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:27.960 but that ghosts or spirits that tend to in some 2230 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:31.039 cases haunt people troll them, you know, take the clothes 2231 01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:32.720 out of their laundry, bask you know, mess with them 2232 01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:34.920 in that sense, stack chairs and all that, you know, 2233 01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:38.039 make things fall or clocks go flying or what have you. May, 2234 01:58:38.079 --> 01:58:42.000 in fact, in some cases be a very deep internal 2235 01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:45.439 we could say, feedback loop of some type of traumatic 2236 01:58:46.479 --> 01:58:49.439 thought that is being manifested without realizing on the front 2237 01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:52.760 end of that individual. Hence the idea of oh, wherever 2238 01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:54.880 I move, this being is always with me. Well, okay, 2239 01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:56.319 I'm not trying to say that that is the end 2240 01:58:56.319 --> 01:58:58.880 all be all, but the idea of again being in 2241 01:58:58.920 --> 01:59:01.359 the present, general, the past, and the future. And if 2242 01:59:01.359 --> 01:59:03.520 it's if it's possible from the perspective of a ghost 2243 01:59:03.640 --> 01:59:06.239 or a spirit that it's in the material world, and 2244 01:59:06.279 --> 01:59:09.800 then we're the spirits, yes, then it's again that gives 2245 01:59:09.840 --> 01:59:12.800 the idea of it's both but neither simultaneously, which would 2246 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:14.720 be a quantum superpositioning potential. 2247 01:59:15.079 --> 01:59:16.720 And what's more, it could be just a program, a 2248 01:59:16.720 --> 01:59:18.720 glitch in the matrix, a time loop, which also we've 2249 01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:21.840 talked about, right, and so to this then you would say, okay, well, 2250 01:59:22.039 --> 01:59:25.079 like if they can do that, then why can't we 2251 01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:27.359 do that? Right? My boundless out to miss as is 2252 01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:29.399 like flip the script on the rushes, right, And so 2253 01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:31.479 then you would say, okay, well, what if we can 2254 01:59:31.720 --> 01:59:34.640 find the ability to create a zero gravity craft. And 2255 01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:36.760 perhaps this is why we're told, and I love Dave 2256 01:59:36.800 --> 01:59:39.439 what you said about the localized environment, we're told that 2257 01:59:39.479 --> 01:59:41.640 people are murdered all the time for discovering things that 2258 01:59:41.680 --> 01:59:43.680 are right here under your noses that could be beneficial 2259 01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.600 to you in an awesome way, perhaps escaping the matrix 2260 01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:49.520 at some point. Now also to this that perhaps is 2261 01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:51.479 a siop, you know, to scare you off. But if 2262 01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:53.119 you don't allow it to there's a lot of cool 2263 01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:54.279 dope shit over here. 2264 01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:55.239 When you start. 2265 01:59:54.960 --> 01:59:57.880 Exploring it and you just tell that resistance to fuck off. 2266 01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:01.880 Now again, the resistances will pop up as these representatives 2267 02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:05.079 from the matrix until they no longer need to it, 2268 02:00:05.199 --> 02:00:09.239 as like they're anamorphous from a fog like those remember 2269 02:00:09.239 --> 02:00:12.079 those things They were needle They were like flat needles 2270 02:00:12.119 --> 02:00:13.520 on the back and there were a plexiglass and you 2271 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:15.159 could like stick your face in it or your hand 2272 02:00:15.159 --> 02:00:16.479 and it would come through on the other side. But 2273 02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:21.039 it will imprints. Okay, same thing with your reality. There 2274 02:00:21.079 --> 02:00:23.079 you go Okay, same thing, right, So this is sort 2275 02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:25.000 of how they manifest. They're all out of a fog 2276 02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:27.079 that's all around you, and they just pop up your 2277 02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:30.279 unsupportive parent when you really need them to be like interesting, shit, 2278 02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:31.840 you're just like, oh my god, it's in everything. 2279 02:00:31.880 --> 02:00:32.319 You got it. 2280 02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:35.640 And so again it's then too this, like what if 2281 02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:38.520 the hack is to then perhaps transfer our consciousness to 2282 02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:42.000 one of these vessels that can escape the matrix, perhaps 2283 02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:45.439 like a gray or maybe there's some fortification we can 2284 02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:49.079 do biologically, because perhaps we're only limited number one by 2285 02:00:49.079 --> 02:00:51.920 our fucking mind and that's always the reality. Number two 2286 02:00:52.039 --> 02:00:54.960 by a perceived limitation. But again, if we could at 2287 02:00:55.039 --> 02:00:57.640 least get to the point where we could transfer that, 2288 02:00:57.920 --> 02:01:00.920 then maybe that's an escape out or apprehendic and those 2289 02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:03.039 are like the keys that can slip out, sort of 2290 02:01:03.039 --> 02:01:06.119 like an Avengers. When it took the staff to pierce 2291 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:08.359 the you had to have something to pierce that innerte 2292 02:01:08.520 --> 02:01:11.439 barrier that was in resonance with it. So maybe that's 2293 02:01:11.079 --> 02:01:13.399 well resonance with it. 2294 02:01:13.399 --> 02:01:16.199 It's the idea of four sequels mass times acceleration, the 2295 02:01:16.199 --> 02:01:19.439 same way that an acoustic you know you have appropriate 2296 02:01:19.720 --> 02:01:22.000 density of sound can then. 2297 02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:23.960 Shatter glass simply. 2298 02:01:24.039 --> 02:01:26.840 So what's happening is there's a proportionality constant between the 2299 02:01:26.880 --> 02:01:30.359 resonant frequencies of the frequencies that are comprising the mass 2300 02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:32.800 of the glass, particularly the mass, and then the sound 2301 02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:35.159 that is omitting to it. So when Newton says four 2302 02:01:35.199 --> 02:01:38.359 sequels mass times acceleration, I would strongly agree with him 2303 02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:41.159 there when again, if you can get something to match 2304 02:01:41.239 --> 02:01:44.600 the acceleration at which the mass of an object is 2305 02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:47.479 resonating ad or within, then you'd be able to then 2306 02:01:47.520 --> 02:01:51.119 manipulate it, which gives credence to the holofracto morphogenic concept. 2307 02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:52.760 The question and becomes what is mass? 2308 02:01:52.760 --> 02:01:56.039 And that's something that publicly has been kind of run 2309 02:01:56.039 --> 02:01:59.079 in circles for for many many not even years, but decades, 2310 02:01:59.119 --> 02:02:01.840 perhaps because we know that mass and weight are different. 2311 02:02:01.920 --> 02:02:04.680 But it's this idea of you know, for example, if 2312 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:07.760 we discover what masses, that may be able to insert 2313 02:02:07.760 --> 02:02:10.960 that final variable into Einstein's gr equations that would then 2314 02:02:11.159 --> 02:02:12.840 bring everything fully together. 2315 02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:15.520 So really, like I said, it's conversations like this, we 2316 02:02:15.560 --> 02:02:18.199 are breaking the matrix right now. In the nast dole 2317 02:02:18.399 --> 02:02:20.239 of the Tower of Babble got built on top of 2318 02:02:20.239 --> 02:02:22.640 this because it's just awareness. It's about being able to 2319 02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:24.560 perceive what's bigger impossible. 2320 02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:26.479 That's all a r right precisely, like the key to 2321 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:28.119 all this shit really is that easy. 2322 02:02:28.479 --> 02:02:28.920 I love it. 2323 02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:32.880 This broadcast is changing the fabric of reality as we speak. 2324 02:02:33.479 --> 02:02:36.640 Hell yeah, man, is there anything else important that we 2325 02:02:36.640 --> 02:02:39.000 should cover? Anything you think we should throw in there 2326 02:02:39.039 --> 02:02:40.119 before we close out today? 2327 02:02:40.319 --> 02:02:43.319 I was just gonna say, actually, I myself, Actually it's 2328 02:02:43.319 --> 02:02:45.039 a perfect timing because I was just gonna ask if 2329 02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:46.600 I could just plug some of my stuff and then 2330 02:02:46.640 --> 02:02:49.199 I going to jump on it. But yeah, no, that's 2331 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:52.279 thank you so much for having us, especially even myself 2332 02:02:52.319 --> 02:02:54.359 at the last minute here when Brandon told me, I 2333 02:02:54.399 --> 02:02:56.479 was very excited when I heard it was you, brother, 2334 02:02:56.520 --> 02:03:00.760 I said, absolutely so. Just again, for anyone interested, Generation 2335 02:03:00.960 --> 02:03:06.239 Z spelled the Generation space zed on Podbean, Apple, podcast, 2336 02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:09.239 Spotify and YouTube of course, but where the real magic 2337 02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:12.399 happens basically is at Patreon dot com slash generation z, 2338 02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:15.479 where I write papers, the papers that I can then 2339 02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:17.840 put out for In some cases, what I consult for 2340 02:03:17.960 --> 02:03:19.399 I then put out for the members. 2341 02:03:19.399 --> 02:03:19.880 We do call. 2342 02:03:20.560 --> 02:03:23.399 We have calls where we discuss things like this. For example, 2343 02:03:23.439 --> 02:03:27.239 group calls and many different things. Loads more of content 2344 02:03:27.359 --> 02:03:29.960 insights on. 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