1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,600 your support. A bit of the breaking news here. According 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:39,479 to SCOTUSblog Supreme Court blog, the Supreme Court is going 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,359 to be hearing two cases next term on whether states 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:50,759 may exclude transgender athletes from girls and women's teams. And 13 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:53,280 then they had based on the sex they were assigned 14 00:00:53,359 --> 00:01:01,960 at birth scotis blog, really the sex they were assigned 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,480 at birth. Molly Hemingway at The Federalist points out that 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,400 that is a term that is a propaganda term. It 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,359 is used by transactivists to perpetuate the lie that men 18 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:19,200 can become women and vice versa. Honest people should avoid 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,640 the term completely. Right, sex assigned at birth is a 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,920 propaganda term. But they're going to hear two cases about 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,000 whether states can say only girls can play on girls teams, 22 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,400 and only women can play on women's teams. I guess 23 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:41,480 that's the Yeah. Now I am curious like Keatanji Brown 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Jackson will obviously have to recuse herself because she does 25 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:46,480 not know what a woman is and she's not a biologist, 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,760 so she's out like it's only going to be an 27 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:56,079 eight vote decision. Credit where it is due to The 28 00:01:56,159 --> 00:02:04,239 Atlantic Publication not exactly a right wing conservative rag, but 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:11,400 they have a piece up today called the Liberal Misinformation 30 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:17,000 Bubble about youth gender Medicine. It's written by Helen Lewis. 31 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:25,360 Very lengthy piece, but this is important for people of 32 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,719 the left, people that listen to NPR, people that apparently 33 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:34,159 write the Scotis blog tweets, people that read The Atlantic, 34 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:36,560 in the New York Times, in the Washington Post, and 35 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:39,039 the Charlotte Observer. By the way, have you noticed the 36 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,360 Observer isn't using the they them she like the pronoun 37 00:02:44,439 --> 00:02:47,919 stuff has gone from their their bios. I noticed that 38 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:54,000 a couple of weeks ago. That's progressed. That's good. I 39 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:57,759 applaud them for, you know, stepping back from the edge 40 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,759 of the abyss. And so this is a good thing. 41 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:07,039 To tell the liberal readers of the Atlantic, because we've 42 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,840 all heard this argument. I've been and I've been arguing 43 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:13,599 the transgender issue since HB two came along. I'd like, 44 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:15,919 what is this about? And I was up in Asheville 45 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,960 at the time. Got a lot of flak Ford, got 46 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,719 called a whole bunch of names, But I don't care 47 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,520 at this point. I like like people who resort to 48 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,520 the name calling stuff don't want to address the merits 49 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,560 of the argument. That's why they call people names. Because 50 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:39,639 if you're actually trying to address the merits of the argument, 51 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,639 I win. I generally don't hold opinions that I believe 52 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,199 to be false. Most people don't. So if you are 53 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,039 actually interested in debating and discussing an issue, if you 54 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,240 are sticking to just the merits of the issue or 55 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:59,280 the argument, then I'm pretty confident in the positions I hold. 56 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,960 And that frustrates people. I get it. It frustrates people 57 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,080 who they just you know, have a slogan that makes 58 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,039 them feel like they're part of a group that they 59 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,280 belong and so they just pop off with the slogan, 60 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,399 whether it's you know, from the River to the Sea, 61 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,319 or it's you know, would you rather have a dead 62 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,240 son or a live daughter or trans daughter? Right Like, 63 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,199 that's these are the things that people tell themselves because 64 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:31,240 they are told by others that this is a cogent argument. 65 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,680 And if you say these things, then you're part of 66 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,800 the group. And that really is I think one of 67 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,120 the unifying characteristics of a lot of our friends on 68 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:43,240 the left that are you know, swapping out their cafeas 69 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,879 today for some you know, uterus costume tomorrow and whatever. 70 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,800 They just like just change the wardrobe, change the issue. 71 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,759 They they I think in a lot of cases they 72 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,839 are wrestling with a lack of purpose in their lives, 73 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:07,480 a lack of meaning because they're political philosophy doesn't offer 74 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:11,040 them anything, and so they take to the streets as 75 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:15,879 these activists because it's the only thing that they feel 76 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:20,399 like they belong to. They they're not getting meaning in 77 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:23,439 their life from other things, from service, right they're not 78 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,480 engaged in a civic enterprise of some kind or church 79 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:31,720 right there. Maybe they've got broken bonds in the family unit, 80 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,800 and so I think that they are drawn to these 81 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:42,519 these rallies and the you know, these performances because they 82 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:47,480 want to belong to something. And I offer in the 83 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:53,199 spirit of Independence day, I would offer this, and I'm 84 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:56,920 not being facetious or sarcastic. I am fluent in sarcasm, 85 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,319 but I'm not being sarcastic. I would offer this, we 86 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:06,360 could all all of us, we could all be together 87 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,920 in one collective as Americans. Like, if you have to, 88 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,279 if you have to feel like you belong to an 89 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:17,399 organization right that you want meaning and that sort of thing, 90 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,920 then view yourselves as Americans. That's like a very large 91 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,000 organization to belong to. And it has been a force 92 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,480 for good. That's not to say it's been perfect. It's 93 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,439 a man made construct and as such, it's going to 94 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:35,360 be fallible. It's going to make mistakes, it's going to 95 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,800 do bad things because it's made up of people and 96 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,839 that's what people do. But we're an idea. This nation 97 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,199 is founded on ideas, and if you agree with these ideas, 98 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,399 then be proud to be an American and be part 99 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:56,480 of this collective. That doesn't mean you can't work for 100 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,480 changes and improvements and that sort of thing. Again, as 101 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,160 any human construct, it's going to need maintenance and repair 102 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,279 and renovation. It's going to deteriorate in certain ways. But 103 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,759 as far as you know, being a part of something 104 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:21,120 bigger than yourselves. Be Americans, love the country, be a patriot. 105 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,480 But that also means that you have to look at 106 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,079 things sort of as they are now. If you don't 107 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,959 agree with the ideas and the principles that we were 108 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:31,480 founded on, then I don't want you to be part 109 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:34,160 of my collective. Okay, like you can go someplace else, 110 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:38,720 go to some other country that more aligns with your beliefs. 111 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,319 That's totally fine, no harm, no foul. You go ahead 112 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:43,920 and just head over to North Korea or someplace, or 113 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:48,480 or Gaza, wherever you want to go. It's fine. But 114 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,319 it also means that you know, seeing things as they are, 115 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:53,560 as Russia would always say, is the mayor of Realville, 116 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,199 that's where you live, and things as they are. And 117 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,519 this is one of those things this transgender are that 118 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:07,240 there are things that you cannot change, and you have 119 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:12,319 to accept that a guy cannot become a woman and 120 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:16,800 vice versa. And that's not to minimize the very real, 121 00:08:17,639 --> 00:08:20,959 you know, dysphoric feelings that people have or like these, 122 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,560 this affliction that you are somehow in the wrong body, 123 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:29,959 that's that's awful. I can i cannot imagine what that 124 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:35,519 must feel like. But that doesn't mean that I have 125 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,559 to go along with that which I know is not true. 126 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:44,639 And so the way that they have manipulated the society 127 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,759 is to manipulate the language, and that's why you get 128 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:52,559 these terms like sex assigned at birth. That's a manipulation 129 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,440 of the language in order to force the conversation into 130 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,279 a place where they have an advantage. Much. It's like 131 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,279 the you know, you have to allow the kid to 132 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,080 transition or they'll go kill themselves, right, And that to 133 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 me has always been a monstrous thing to say to 134 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,039 parents because you then give them zero options. That's what 135 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,200 you're doing. You're forcing the outcome. And now it turns 136 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,159 out that's not true. It's not even true. All right. 137 00:09:23,159 --> 00:09:25,000 If you're listening to this show, you know I try 138 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,759 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 139 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,879 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 140 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,519 say get your news from multiple sources. 141 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: Why. 142 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is 143 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,480 why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an 144 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:41,919 app and it's a website, and it combines news from 145 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,120 around the world in one place, so you can compare 146 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,279 coverage and verify information. You can check it out at 147 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,840 check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. 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Your subscription 157 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,879 then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports 158 00:10:23,919 --> 00:10:27,200 ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. 159 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:34,840 Here's an email from Monico says her friend still believes 160 00:10:34,919 --> 00:10:38,720 no one is doing gender reassignment surgeries on children. It's 161 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,320 just not happening. And there are no young people who 162 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:44,000 are coerced into sex changes that now regret it. It's 163 00:10:44,039 --> 00:10:48,639 all made up, That's what I mean. And I said 164 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:50,919 this at the beginning of well not at the beginning, but 165 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:57,519 when sort of this transanity stuff started like really going crazy, 166 00:10:57,919 --> 00:11:02,039 and people started pushing back harder and harder. This would 167 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:08,679 have been probably about five years ago. I want to say, 168 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:12,960 there's a writer. She's Irish, I believe she's in the 169 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,559 UK though, and her name is Helen Joyce, and she's 170 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:22,159 just been an absolute warrior on this issue. And she 171 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,960 said something that has always stuck with me. She said, 172 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:31,799 there are people who will never give this up. And 173 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,759 they're not transgender themselves. They will never give this up 174 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,720 because they have somebody in their life that they affirmed, 175 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,320 like their kids, and they will be like that, you know, 176 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,360 the Japanese soldier on the island that doesn't know the 177 00:11:51,399 --> 00:11:55,600 war is over. They will fight forever because to admit 178 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:59,919 they are wrong on this would be an admission of 179 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:10,080 their participation in some horrible acts we'll call them. They 180 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,840 can't they can't do it. It would break them psychologically, 181 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:21,720 right emotionally. So like this, this view will persist because 182 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:26,279 people cannot give it up. I'm not saying that's Monica's 183 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:29,519 friend here, I don't know, but there's this is the 184 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:32,039 the there's a thought process that like though this isn't 185 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:34,679 this isn't real. These are all just like right wing 186 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,000 attacks and this is all just you know, fever dreams 187 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:42,240 of the conservatives, but little by little, more and more. Right. 188 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:45,159 This is the preference cascade. Once again. It is slowly 189 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,840 at first, and then very quickly, all at once. That's 190 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:52,600 how these things shift, That's how they happen. Slowly at 191 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,759 first and then very quickly. Let me go over here 192 00:12:57,799 --> 00:12:59,759 and chat with Bill real quick. Hey, Bill, welcome to 193 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:02,600 the sho Hey, thank you, Pete. 194 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,799 Speaker 3: I just wanted to see if there's any way to 195 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:11,200 get a copy of your previous like five minutes ago 196 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:19,159 dialogue with so many nuggets of wisdom and good linguistic proficiency. 197 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,279 Speaker 4: I loved that there were so many things, and if 198 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:26,200 I were able to be in a situation where I 199 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,759 could share or had the opportunity to stand up and talk, 200 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,600 I would certainly use those. 201 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:39,039 Speaker 3: But on my stenographic skills are not such that I 202 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,320 can take quick notes. 203 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: No, I hear you. I don't either, So do you 204 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 do you have a smartphone? 205 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: I do? 206 00:13:47,759 --> 00:13:52,279 Speaker 1: Okay, So you could go to a what you can 207 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,679 go to? I'll just send you over to the petepod 208 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,080 dot com. Go to that website. That's my website. You 209 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,879 can go to that website. You can go to any podcast, 210 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,559 listen to podcasts at all. 211 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, that's something super easy. 212 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's super easy. So whatever podcast platform that 213 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,840 you want to use, whether it's you know, YouTube or 214 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,320 uh Spotify or whatever whatever that's out there, there are 215 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,039 a bunch of them. But if you go to the 216 00:14:21,159 --> 00:14:25,279 peetpod dot com, there'll be a big button that says subscribe, 217 00:14:25,919 --> 00:14:28,080 and then you just click on that and then the 218 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,440 shows will come right Each hour is its own episode 219 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,480 will go right to your smartphone and then you can 220 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:36,559 listen to it, and you may and you could even 221 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:39,480 probably take the audio file and slap it into like 222 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:42,840 an AI like chat GPT and it probably would do 223 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:46,120 a transcript for you. But yeah, but I don't. We 224 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:49,639 don't have transcript service for the for the shows. But 225 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:51,759 the easiest way to get a copy of it is 226 00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:55,000 on the podcast where where after the show's over, well, 227 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:58,720 actually the second or yeah, so this hour will post 228 00:14:58,759 --> 00:14:59,840 after three o'clock. 229 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,799 Speaker 3: Okay, great. Also, I would like to highly recommend anybody 230 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,000 that is up or wants to stay up to listen 231 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:19,919 to it on WBT. The Our American Stories program is wonderful. 232 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,720 I just got onto it a few months ago, and 233 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:27,000 last night they had a wonderful segment by a historian 234 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:33,080 about Teddy Roosevelt and how he worked to help protect 235 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:39,240 the Jewish community. And they had a German anti Semite 236 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,159 come over to give a speech and Teddy was asked 237 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:48,279 to provide police security for him. So he handpicked a 238 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,559 thirty policemen as he was police Commissioner of New York. 239 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:57,480 He hand picked thirty. They were all Jewish, and he 240 00:15:57,639 --> 00:16:03,679 said that they had to show oh, very characteristic Jewish 241 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,320 jewishness to be to qualify. So I thought that would 242 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,200 that's interesting. 243 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. It's a great program and you could 244 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:15,080 probably also listen once you get once you uh, once 245 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,240 you get a podcast, you start listening to a podcast, 246 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,120 you will be able to find so much content on 247 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:23,639 the on the podcasting side, Like you'll be able to 248 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:25,960 get that show and listen to all of the episodes 249 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,120 because they'll all be on there on the podcast as well. Yeah, 250 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,120 if you go to WBT dot com, you can find 251 00:16:31,159 --> 00:16:33,240 all of the programs that you hear on BT and 252 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,320 you can subscribe to all of the podcasts for all 253 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,080 of the shows there. 254 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,559 Speaker 3: Wonderful. Make sure the help I'll get my either my 255 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:44,039 daughter or my grandson to to help me get on 256 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:46,399 to that. If I can't do it myself, yeah, you. 257 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Should be able to. I got confidence in you. It's 258 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,519 super simple, Bill. I appreciate the call. Have a great 259 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:54,720 holiday weekend YouTube fee all right, take care, yes, sir, 260 00:16:57,279 --> 00:16:59,919 let me get to Ralph here. Hello, Ralph, Welcome to 261 00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:00,360 the show. 262 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,599 Speaker 5: Hey, appreciate you taking a call. First time call her 263 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,200 into the show. 264 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: Welcome. 265 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 5: You were talking about the ladies saying that she couldn't 266 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,200 believe that transgender surgeries and all that were happening on children. 267 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,039 And I'm here to tell you as a former paramid 268 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:20,039 well technically still certified in North Carolina, but as a 269 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:23,960 paramedic they used to work with Atrium Health for over 270 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:27,799 eight years. I can tell you with one confidence that 271 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,119 Atrium themselves right there in Charlotte Downtown were performing genderous 272 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,920 sons surgeries on children under the age of eighteen, and 273 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,680 they had pediatric specialists that were working on the children 274 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:45,839 before puberty. Yeah, so that's been going on for years. 275 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,960 I remember when they first started that policy. When it 276 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:52,240 comes through the hospital system, it was like setting the 277 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:57,079 fire to the place. They had nurses, physicians, npspas, they 278 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,599 had people quitting over that stuff. You know, it's just craziness. 279 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,039 So that's all I had to say. 280 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:03,799 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 281 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 5: I appreciate the show, and y'all have a good afternoon, all. 282 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,599 Speaker 1: Right, buddy, you two. Thanks Ralph. I appreciate the insight. Yeah, 283 00:18:09,599 --> 00:18:13,240 Happy Independence state to you. Yeah. And the only thing 284 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:15,519 you can do is tell people that it does happen. 285 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,039 And then you get these reports that come out that verify. 286 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,920 And again, just like with the you know the previous topic, 287 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:27,920 like this is proof, you get the CIA now saying yes, 288 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,839 these things that you were saying were happening, they were 289 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:35,640 in fact happening. So Helen Lewis at The Atlantic says, 290 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,279 for more than a decade, the strongest argument in favor 291 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:44,319 of youth gender medicine is this, you have to allow 292 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,680 the child to transition or they'll kill themselves, a scenario 293 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:52,279 so awful that it's stifled any doubts or questions about 294 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:57,079 puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. The same idea that 295 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,160 the choice is transition or death appears in the arguments 296 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:07,000 that were made by Elizabeth Prelogar, the Biden administration solicitor general, 297 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,519 who argued before the US Supreme Court last year Tennessee's 298 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:14,640 law prohibiting the use of pubity blockers and cross sex 299 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,000 hormones to treat miners with gender dysphoria, would, she said, 300 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,960 increase the risk of suicide. But there's a huge problem 301 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:30,680 with this emotive formulation. It's not true. When Justice Samuel 302 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:37,680 Alito challenged the ACLU lawyer named Chase Strangio, that's a 303 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:42,559 made up name. Chase is a transgender that changed their 304 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,799 name to that. When sam Alito challenged Strangio on these 305 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,559 claims during the oral arguments, Strangio made a startling admission. 306 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,720 He conceded well, she conceded that there is no evidence 307 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,160 to support the idea that medical this transition reduces adolescent 308 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,720 suicide rates. But even then his admission did not register 309 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:10,319 with the liberal justices when the Court voted six to 310 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,359 three to uphold the Tennessee law. Sonya Sotomayora claimed in 311 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,079 her descent that quote access to care can be a 312 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,240 question of life or death. Even when they are told this, 313 00:20:21,799 --> 00:20:26,759 the liberal justices don't hear it. This is the bubble 314 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:29,400 that the left is in on this issue. 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This 334 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,519 piece by Helen Lewis at The Atlantic, She mentions a 335 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:40,759 thing called zombie facts, popular soundbites that persist in public 336 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:46,079 debate even when they have been repeatedly discredited zombie facts. 337 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:54,960 Many liberals are unaware of these zombie facts regarding transgender 338 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,759 procedures on kids because they're stuck in media bubbles in 339 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:06,119 which well meaning commentators make confident assertions for youth gender medicine, 340 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,799 claims from which its elite advocates have long since retreated. 341 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:16,039 Perhaps the existence of this bubble should not be surprising. 342 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:19,599 Many of the most fervent advocates of youth transition are 343 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,200 also on record disparaging the idea that it should be 344 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:28,480 debated at all. I've said this before. This goes back 345 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:34,079 twenty years when I first started doubting the global warming. 346 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,799 Now morphed into just you know, climate change, which is 347 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:43,400 basically weather like, and I say, it's weather. I understand 348 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,119 the climate changes. I understand man probably has a role 349 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,640 in some of it. Can we actually change the entire 350 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,680 climate of the planet. I don't think so. I think 351 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:53,400 the I think the planet is pretty big, you know. 352 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,119 That's my that's my understanding. It's a very very large entity. 353 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,680 But when I started hearted hearing people on the global 354 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,440 warming side say the science is settled and we shouldn't 355 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,200 be platforming anybody any scientists that disagree. That was sort 356 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,440 of the red pill moment for me, before we even 357 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,599 use the term red pill, I was like, well, wait 358 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:20,440 a minute, this guy is a credentialed scientist and he's disagreeing, 359 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,079 and you're saying we should even listen to him. Why 360 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,559 same thing happens in this debate. Chase Strangio, that ACLU 361 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,400 lawyer who works for the country's best known free speech organization, 362 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:37,759 once tweeted that she would like to scuttle Abigail Schreier's 363 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:44,519 book called Irreversible Damage, A Skeptical Treatment of Youth gender Medicine. 364 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:49,400 Strangeo declared, quote, stopping the circulation of this book and 365 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,359 these ideas is one hundred percent day hill I will 366 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,519 die on. This is a lawyer for the ACLU, Marcy Bowers, 367 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,160 the form of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health 368 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:09,119 or WPATH. You've heard that acronym, Marcy Bowers, who used 369 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,759 to be the head of it. That's the most prominent 370 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:19,039 organization for gender medicine providers. Bowers likened skepticism of child 371 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:24,000 gender medicine to Holocaust denial, saying, quote, there are not 372 00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:29,680 two sides to this issue. Boasting about your unwillingness to 373 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:33,799 listen to your opponent probably plays well in some crowds. 374 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:39,160 But it left Chase Strangio badly exposed in front of 375 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,359 the US Supreme Court, where it became clear that the 376 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,160 conservative justices had read the most convincing critiques of hormones 377 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,200 and blockers and they had some questions as a result. 378 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,799 This is something else I always say people on the 379 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,799 left because they are rarely challenged by media to defend 380 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,000 their positions, and outside of a slogan here or there, 381 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:09,519 they become intellectually flabby. They cannot defend themselves, they can't 382 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:15,279 defend their arguments, they can't make logical, non emotive appeals 383 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,000 because they don't have to. They just get to go, 384 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,599 I'm for women's health, and the media is like, wink, 385 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:26,759 we know that means abortion. The movement has spent the 386 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:31,279 past decade telling gender non conforming children that anybody who 387 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,160 tries to restrict access to puberty blockers and hormones is 388 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,799 effectively trying to kill them, and this was false. This 389 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:47,240 always was false, as the lawyer Strangio tacitly conceded in 390 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:52,119 the questioning from sam Alito. But this, more importantly, this 391 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,799 was also an irresponsible argument to be making or an 392 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:01,680 accusation to be making after in restricted the use of 393 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,599 puberty blockers. In twenty twenty, the government asked an expert psychologist, 394 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,359 Lewis Applebee, not of the restaurant chain, to investigate whether 395 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,400 the suicide rate for patients at the country's youth gender 396 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,440 clinic rose dramatically as a result of the restricted use 397 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,519 of puberty blockers. So it's been five years. Did the 398 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:30,000 suicide rates go up? They did not? What does that 399 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,880 tell you? And by the way, like this was obvious 400 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,240 if you just applied some critical thinking to the matter. 401 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,960 Because if the problem was that society wasn't affirming transgender 402 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,960 people and that was what was driving them to suicide, 403 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:55,559 then wouldn't we see suicide rates decline as transgenderism became 404 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,279 more and more discussed and open and people were like, oh, 405 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,480 we affirm you, we affirm you. Wouldn't we have seen 406 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,319 a decline in the suicide rates? But we did not. 407 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:11,160 When red states start talking about bands and doing bands 408 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,160 on these types of procedures and hormone treatments and stuff, 409 00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,599 you usually hear liberals say that conservative fears about the 410 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:26,279 medical transition pathway are overwrought because all children get extensive 411 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,799 personalized assessments before being prescribed blockers or hormones, and this 412 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,240 is also false. Although the official standards of care recommend 413 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:41,799 thorough assessment over several months, many American clinics say they 414 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:46,680 will prescribe blockers on a first visit. And perhaps the 415 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,720 greatest piece of misinformation believed by liberals is that the 416 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:57,079 American standards of care are strongly evidence based. In fact, 417 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,160 at this point, the fairest thing to say about the 418 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,920 evidence surrounding medical transition for adolescence the so called Dutch 419 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,079 protocol as opposed to talk therapy and other support. The 420 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,279 best you can say. The fairest thing you could say 421 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,359 about whether this is evidence base is that any evidence 422 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:21,039 is weak and inconclusive. That's the fairest thing you can 423 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:26,480 say about it. Consensus is not the same as evidence, 424 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,440 and the consensus is politically influenced. Let me get Bud 425 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,400 on real quick here. Hey, Bud, welcome to the show. 426 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me on. I was listening and 427 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,440 I've decided that suicide rates have increased. They've increased among 428 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,759 the children who have had this surgery. What they didn't 429 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,160 have a gender problem, they had an identity problem. 430 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,519 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and they're told that in order to feel 431 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,440 better about their body and the way they're feeling going 432 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,759 through puberty, the way to feel better is to act 433 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:09,119 like the other gender in a stereotypical fashion, which, like, 434 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,559 that's not I don't see that as a pathway to 435 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,720 mental health success, but I appreciate the call. Here's a 436 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,640 great idea. How about making an escape to a really 437 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,920 special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a 438 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,599 quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Ashville is 439 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,519 your connection. 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In this case revealed that WPATH members 464 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:09,720 themselves had doubts about their own guidelines, but the specter 465 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:16,640 of red state bands made them reluctant to break ranks. Again. 466 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,680 There's a very lengthy piece. I'm giving you the highlights 467 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,799 here well worth the read over the Atlantic. Yahoo has 468 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:25,519 it published also outside of a paywall. The reliance on 469 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:31,400 elite consensus over evidence helps make sense of Wpath's flatly 470 00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:36,079 hostile response to the CAST Report that was done in England, 471 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,440 which commissioned systematic reviews and recommended extreme caution over the 472 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,839 use of blockers and hormones. 473 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:45,799 Speaker 2: Right. 474 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,799 Speaker 1: The CAST report laid this all out, and this is 475 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:53,640 what prompted the UK to retreat from the edge of 476 00:31:53,680 --> 00:32:01,039 the ABYSS. Because of Wpath's hostility, on the American left 477 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:05,440 now believe that the CAST review has been discredited. That 478 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:07,960 it hasn't, but that's what people on the left think. 479 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:15,519 Advocates of youth gender medicine have reacted furiously to articles 480 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,480 in the New York Times and elsewhere that take the 481 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:23,799 CAST Report's conclusions seriously. Indeed, some people inside the information 482 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,440 bubble appear to believe that if respectable publications would just 483 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,839 stop writing about the story, then all doubts and questions 484 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,599 would simply disappear. Just stop talking about it. Don't highlight 485 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:41,119 that CAST report. It's been debunked. It hasn't. It hasn't. 486 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,720 In the New York Times doing a story on it 487 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,440 so now the problem is that you're platforming the Cast 488 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,400 Report because they think the Cast Report is wrong. Can 489 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,119 this misinformation bubble ever be burst? She asks. On the left, 490 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,519 support for youth transition has been rolled together with other 491 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,160 issue use such as police reform and climate activism, as 492 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,880 a kind of super savior combo deal of correct opinions. 493 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,640 The thirty three year old Democratic socialist Zoran Mamdani has 494 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,400 made funding gender transition, including for minors, part of his 495 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:20,599 pitch to be New York's mayor. But complicated issues deserve 496 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,160 to be treated individually. You can criticize Israel, you can 497 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,279 object to the militarization of America's police forces, and you 498 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,279 can believe that climate change is real and yet still 499 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:39,880 not support irreversible, experimental, unproven medical treatments on children. You 500 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,960 don't have to take every one of the positions that 501 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,680 the far left tells you to take. The Polarization of 502 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,720 this issue in America has been deeply unhelpful for getting 503 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:58,519 liberals to accept the sketchiness of the evidence she talks about. 504 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,839 In twenty twenty three, she argued that the only way 505 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,039 out of the culture War was for the American medical 506 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:12,000 associations to commission reviews and carefully consider the evidence you 507 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,440 think that's going to happen. These institutions have also been captured. 508 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:24,840 Leor Suppier of the Conservative Manhattan Institute, who supports the 509 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,840 bands on these treatments. He says that American medicine, though 510 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,880 cannot be trusted to police itself at this point. Despite 511 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,800 the concerted efforts to suppress the evidence, the picture on 512 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,239 youth gender medicine has become clearer over the past decade. 513 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,039 It's no humiliation to update our beliefs as a result. 514 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440 I regularly used to write that medical transition was quote 515 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,559 life saving before I saw how limited the evidence on 516 00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,280 suicide actually was. And it took another court case brought 517 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,519 by the British detransitioner Kira Bell for the writer here, 518 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:10,079 Helen Lewis, for her to realize fully that puberty blockers 519 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:13,159 were not what they were sold as they were sold 520 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:18,719 as safe and reversible, that these treatments just gave patience 521 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,400 some time to think, but in fact it was a 522 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,559 one way ticket to full transition with physical changes that 523 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:34,199 cannot be undone. Some advocates for the Dutch protocol as 524 00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,360 it's applied in the United States have staked their entire 525 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440 career and reputation on its safety and defectiveness. They have 526 00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:45,280 strong incentives not to concede the weakness of the evidence. 527 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:47,880 And she concludes by saying, those of us who have 528 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,519 been urging caution now know that many of our ostensible 529 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:56,039 opponents had the same concerns. They just smothered them for 530 00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:00,199 political reasons. And that's at the core of this. These 531 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:05,480 were political determinations, and we saw it in North Carolina. 532 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,920 We saw it here in the city of Charlotte with 533 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,679 the HB two state legislation, which was a response to 534 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,079 what political considerations in Charlotte based on why do I 535 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,800 say that? Remember the mayor, Jennifer Roberts, she knocked off 536 00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:26,400 Dan Claudefeld right, and he was appointed after Pat Cannon 537 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,920 went to jail as mayor, and she needed to win 538 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,239 the Democrat primary, and so she got this and she 539 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,039 made these promises about transgender access to the public bathrooms, 540 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,639 and that was the payoff. These were political considerations. Also, 541 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:49,239 when gay marriage was legalized with the Bergefeld ruling, you 542 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,519 had an entire industry that was organized around LGBT issues. 543 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,760 And now the biggest issue was the gay marriage, and 544 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,000 now that's settled, that's gone. So how do you keep 545 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,280 your jobs? How do you keep the fundraising going right? 546 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:07,400 Political considerations, that's what's been driving this the whole time, 547 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,199 and it's been completely corrupted inside of the medical associations. 548 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,400 It's a sad state of affairs, to say the least. 549 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,920 All Right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 550 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,960 so much for listening. I could not do the show 551 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,519 without your support and the support of the businesses that 552 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:26,679 advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support 553 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,360 them too and tell them you heard it here. You 554 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,960 can also become a patron at my Patreon page or 555 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,719 go to thepetecleanershow dot com. 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