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Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone to your new episode. If you were

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wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief The Federalist and

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David Harsani, Senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Molly,

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looks like you're on the road again.

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Speaker 2: I am. I'm in beautiful tell your ide Colorado, and

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I'm really supposed to be on a little mini vacation.

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But we took a break last week and it seemed

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like two weeks was too much of a break for us.

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I know, our listeners just really rely on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Molly, America needs us. Two weeks it's too long for

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us to be away. Are we need to tell people

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what to think? Let's so, because we haven't been on

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for two weeks there there have been a lot of stories. Actually,

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it's been pretty pretty busy out there, and a lot

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of the news is not great. You know. I think

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we should start with talking about a piece that appeared

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in the Washington Post over the vacation on not I

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don't remember what day exactly, that accused Pete Hegseth of

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essentially committing a war crime, right, all anonymous sources correct, Well, and.

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Speaker 2: Can you can you say what the piece said exactly?

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Because I don't read the Washington Post anymore because they

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just push hoaxes so much that I don't even want

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to pollute my mind with their with their info.

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Speaker 1: Ops.

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Speaker 2: But you read it, so tell us what it said.

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Speaker 1: Well, people know, I'm sure that the Trump administration has

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been targeting narco traffickers in the Caribbean, and I believe

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the Pacific Right blowing them up. So in this story,

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Pete Hechseth sources claim that he there was an initial

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strike which which did not destroy the vote in kill

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everyone on it, so he ordered a second strike to

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finish the job. I think there's a quote in there

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something about him saying at one point that we need

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to kill everyone, right, So it seems to me, well,

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then he denied it that that took place. But there

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was a second story. Am I jumping the gun here

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by saying talking about the New York Times piece? Which

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was very confusing to me to first like believe that

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the New York Times would actually have a story that

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debunked the Washington Post story. They had people telling them

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that it had not happened that way. You know, it's difficult.

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I am open to believing that our military does things

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like that, but I, for right when I went the story,

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knew that I couldn't trust what the Washington Post was writing,

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because I did all the hallmarks of the typical hit

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piece that I saw with Brett Kavanaugh, or I saw

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during the Russia collusion hoax. It, you know, just anonymous

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sources giving you little snippets of I hate to say

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the word, but they want to create a narrative that,

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by the way, fits in very neatly with what's been

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going on with senators and others telling people in the

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armed forces not to follow illegal orders, yet not naming

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what the illegal orders are. And all of a sudden, Wow,

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here's an illegal order, you know, right here in the

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Washington Post that people should have said, No, this is unconstitutional,

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This breaks the Geneva Conventions or whatever whatever it is.

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That's how I saw it. I don't know what did

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you think?

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Speaker 2: So I care about our military being used properly and

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following US law. I also feel like I have less

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sympathy for drug traffickers who are part of a military

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target operation than most people in the media do, so

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I just have to admit that bias going into this.

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I think that drug trafficking is a horrific threat to

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the country and to our people. I think that foreign

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entities have long known like this is just a rule

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of war. People have known for a long time that

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if you can get an opposing people hooked on drugs,

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it's very good for you and bad for them. And

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so I think there are national security objectives even as

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you know, we have been fighting this drug war for

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decades with operations like the ones that Trump and Higgs

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sit they're ordering, and you know, you can debate about

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how effective it has been and stuff like that. So

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the Washington Post, I don't trust them because their track

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record of information operations is just so extensive that I

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think it's a giving them a gift to take any

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story of Theirs seriously. So, just in the last few years,

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the information operations that they've been involved in or have

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led would be the Russia collusion hoax, which they kind

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of launched with a completely mendacious and ridiculous story about

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Mike Flynn violating the Logan Act by talking to his

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Russian counterpart prior to the election. Was one of the

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big pieces that got the Russia collusion hoax going, and

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it was a complete information op from leaders of Barack

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Obama's intelligence services. Let's see, there was the Brett Kavanaugh

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rape hoax that they launched with a tendentiously written story

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alleging that federal Judge Brett Kavanaugh, with a stellar record,

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had secretly been living the life of a rapist. And

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they did it through stuff that just never should have

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been written based on the level of information they had,

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and clearly what an operation it was. It just happened

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to drop Clarence Thomas style on the eve of his

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confirmation hearings. Let's see, they were the ones that ran

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the information op from the Bendmann brothers about how Donald

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Trump had broken some law by asking the Ukraine president

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to the now acknowledged Biden family corruption in Ukraine. That

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turned out to be just riddled with errors and just

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completely wrong on what that call was. So I just

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kind of want I get annoyed when people are like, well,

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I bet that they lied about all those things, but

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they're not lying now. I mean, you have to be

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a complete idiot or loser, or there's got to be

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something wrong with your brain to take the Washington Post

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seriously when they do story like this, like, is it

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possible that Pete hegset Willy Nilly committed a war crime?

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I guess that's possible. It doesn't match the man I know,

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but it's possible. I'm certainly never going to take the

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Washington Post's word for it.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing is that and I will read

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it here when I'm off my little mini vaka. But

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I'm told that the story said that the story was unclear,

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like it tried to give the impression that Pete Hegseth

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saw that there were survivors on a completely destroyed boat

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and said, murder them. I'm committing a war crime. And

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then what actually happened, according to other anonymous sources, is

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that he was like, yeah, no, we need to take

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out this boat and you know, destroy destroy the boat.

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And so the military career guy who was running the

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operation did a double strike because the boat was disabled

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but not destroyed. So it's a legitimate military objective. I

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don't think that career military officer, based on the information

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that we have now, should be strung up on war crimes.

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And also people who were going thinking they were going

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after Pete Hegseth. But now they realize they're going after

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this guy. I think they should be ashamed of themselves

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for like not waiting for more information.

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Speaker 1: Well let me yeah, let me go back a little

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to the original story how it was constructed. The Pete

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Heseth has said, we're going to kill narco terrorist quote right,

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We're going to kill them. So when you situate that

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in the story to make it look like this was

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an incident where you have shipwrecked these people, I think

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there were two people alive, and then you're like kill them,

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you know, by putting in that kind of quote like

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as an umbrella over what's happening, when in fact, the

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person in charge believed that they were going to get help,

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like I said, and took it back. So the original

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story the New York Times, if we're to believe them.

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Speaker 2: Also based on anonymous sources.

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Speaker 1: But yeh right, so we don't know what happened. And

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you know, I have two different thoughts on this. I

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think we have in the United States, has a legitimate, legitimate,

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has legitimate cause to stop people from from importing narcotics

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into this country illegally destabilizes the country it's criminal. We

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have every reason to protect our borders using lethal force

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if necessary. I also don't trust the government, you know,

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I mean Obama was going around droning people, including an

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American citizen who had no due process. Was he probably

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a terrorist? That guy? Yeah? Are these people probably narco traffickers?

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I'm sure they are. But there has to be sometimes,

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I think, and I don't know how, some kind of

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oversight to make sure that the government's not just doing

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things to you know, to appease voters or whatever it is.

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to me. I don't know how you feel about it now, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So kind of just real quick on that point too.

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I do think there is an issue here with the

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Obama going after an American by drone strike. I think

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when you're intentionally trying to murder an American via drone

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strike overseas, that's different than even like, you know, how

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he killed Anna We're a Alaki, but also Annamar al

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Alachi's kid, who was also an American citizen. The kid

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thing is kind of it wasn't what they were going for, right,

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but he died as part of the strike. But the

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first one they were going for, and I think that's

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why a lot of people have concerns about it. It's

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possible that when you're going after the Taliban or Venezuelan

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drug smugglers, you might as part of that be getting

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someone who's an American or something. And you know, they

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are legitimate concerns there, But as long as you're not

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intentionally trying to take them out and violate their due process,

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that way it's less of a concern. But it kind

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of annoys me how little Congress cares about legitimate things,

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and then how they get really easily whipped up into

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a frenzy by the Washington freaking Post. So like when

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we were withdrawing from Afghanistan, which was a complete and

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utter debacle. You might remember that we said that we

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killed ten people on their way to committing another terror attack,

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and it turned out that we killed seven kids and

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three adults who had absolutely nothing to do with enemy

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combatants in Afghanistan. And I don't even think Congress did

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an investigation into it, like they didn't do over six

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to hold anyone accountable for this, you know, killing of

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these seven kids and it just the the lack of

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consistency with people. You know, it's good for us to

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one to do things right and to achieve military objectives

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and to follow rule of law and all that, but

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I cannot stand the way the media and other crazy

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Democrats aren't consistent about it and are doing it so

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purely and obviously for partisan gain, Like that's very dangerous

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for a country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I wrote about this today having being

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lectured to by these Democratic senators who had nothing to

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say when we clearly target rushed this operation where we

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killed a whole family in Afghanistan just to appease voters

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who were angry about the withdrawal. Frankly right, I mean

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that's the reason they did it, and then call it

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a righteous strike, which is what MILLI did. I think

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it was MILLI after they sort of knew that it

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was went wrong, and then not a single person in

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the entire government was held responsible for it. But more

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than that, Obama, I no, no, I'm sure you remember,

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like no one cares about war powers, like you know,

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who's what's his name? Tim Kaine wants to pass a

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resolution demanding that Donald Trump come to Congress and get

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a authorization for military force? Are you kidding me? Well,

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first of all, where were you when Barack Obama relied

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on the United Nations as a reason as where he

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derived his power to involve himself in Libya? Right where

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we were involved in a war for seven months with

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no congressional sign off at all. Now, and that's a

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while back, I guess. But the idea that all of

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a sudden Donald Trump has to live by these what

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I think is actually a constitutional He should go to

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Congress and get an OOP. But he won't because no

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one does. I mean, every president ignores that, especially Democrats.

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They ignored all the time. So that drives me crazy.

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The other side of this that I don't like, and

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maybe you'll disagree here with me, is I see that

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the administration keeps calling them narco terrorists we have, you know,

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and then everyone's picked that up. They are not These

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people are not. Terrorism has this very specific meaning. We

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go out with terrorists use violence or the or or

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intimidating people with violence for ideological goals, not for criminality,

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not to make money on drugs. The reason they're using

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terrorism is to give themselves a legal reason to blow

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people out of their boats. Right, because that's the legal

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reasoning they've offered. I don't think they're terrorists, and I

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think we should be careful about that, But I also

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think we have a legitimate reason to stop them. I

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don't know, I'm all over the place, but both sides

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annoy me with that. Donald Trump, if I were him,

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use of military force to stop narco traffickers. I bet

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you they I bet you they'd sign off on it.

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power none.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually like going back to George Washington. Executives

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have really held tight to their powers there. But the

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Constitution should have word here too, and I agree with

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you they should go to Congress for it. I just

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want to say not every drug dealer and trafficker is

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an ARCO terrorist, but there are narco terrorists in drug trafficking, possibly,

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like if they're doing it for political reasons.

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Speaker 1: I think that they may use drug trafficking as a

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way to raise money. But it seems to me that

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the ven First of all, we should also talk about

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vent as well. On the threats that Donald Trump has

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made on the country, itself. Hey, I hate those commis, right,

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but if we're going to start bombing them or an

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he threatens, I mean that is war, right, controlling their airspace,

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that is an act of war. And he should go

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to Congress again, I don't think he will, and we

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should say, going back to Thomas Jefferson, presidents have circumvented

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going to Congress. Right, the Korean War lasted three years.

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There was never a declaration of war. And you can

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go on and on. I have a list somewhere. It's huge. Right,

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Reagan didn't ask for permission when he invaded Grenada, or

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when he sent troops to Lebanon. Bill Clinton bomb Bosnia

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and Serbia without any kind of congressional you know, buy in.

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So it's been a problem for a long time. All

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I'm saying is like that Democrats are trying to make

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it out like Donald Trump's ignoring the Constitution. He is,

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but that precedent has been set for a very long time.

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I don't. I don't think it started with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I completely agree, And I just think it's

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a matter of congressional honor that they should demand to

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uphold their own Article one authorities and powers. I did

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want to say something a couple other things on this story.

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The first is just a brief word to the wise.

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I'd seen that Brit Hume, the wonderful Brit Hume at

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Fox News, had retweeted The Washington Post's original story but

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did it today and said, this story remains exclusive to

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the Post. Beware of stories that remain exclusive. And so

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what he's saying is nobody else has been able to

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in any way corroborate this claim from the Washington Post

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that was based on two anonymous sources. And I responded

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to him that that was very good and wise words,

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but partly because I was thinking about this because the

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New York Times story is based on five anonymous sources,

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clearly five very high level anonymous sources, but still anonymous sources.

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It just reminds me that you'll hear all the time.

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It's like my big pet Peeve. The Washington Post will

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have a story sourced to two anonymous sources saying, you know,

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Pete Haggseth committed war crimes, and then like Natasha Bertrand

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and Ken Dalanian and other known hoaxers will say that

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they have confirmed the Washington Post story. It is literally

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ontologically impossible to confirm an anonymously sourced story with anonymous

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sources almost always, what that is called is repetition, meaning

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you had two bad actors at the Pentagon maybe, and

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they run to their buddies at the Washington Post and

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they say, please write this story because we're trying to

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hurt Pete hagg Seth, and the Washington Post says, whatever

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you want, we'll do it. And then those same two

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people run to Kendlanian and Natasha Birtrand and they go,

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we run this story. We got this other information that'll

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make it seem like you're, you know, having something new.

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That's what an information operation is. And so don't think

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that just because multiple people report something that it's true.

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The way to confirm a story is with real facts

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and real figures and real people really on the record,

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and I know and you know that we you know,

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we traffic and anonymous sources ourselves. It's kind of like

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the way you get things done in Washington, d C.

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one of the costs is it's not really confirmable until

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it is tell someone you know, admit something on the record.

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Or you have the evidence on the record.

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Speaker 1: The anonymous sourcing has gone nuts over the last decade.

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I'd say, I mean, there was always anonymous sourcing in

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DC stories, but never like this, and the bar you

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had to reach to report something like this would be

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very high. I cannot remember, and maybe you'll correct me.

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Maybe I'm wrong. The New York Times has never debunked

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a Washington Post story that I can remember. But this

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isn't just a debunking by kind of a parallel path

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of reporting. They explicitly debunked the story for I give

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you the quote this is the New York Times, writing

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about the Washington Post story. The two officials also said

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that mister Heseth made nor oral directive at the that

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went beyond the written order. The written order, this is me.

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The written order was destroy that ship, not destroy that ship,

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and if there's a survivor, hit him with another missile.

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Make sure everyone's dead, as the Washington Post said, and

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then it goes on. The Post article did not provide

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context on when mister Heseeth gave what its sources described

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as a spoken, spoken order to kill everyone. The biggest problem,

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one of the big problems with media, I think, was

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that they all saw themselves, you know, defending democracy as

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one organ right, working together to stop Trump. Whatever it is.

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To see that the UH, to see that the that

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the that the Times is actually correcting a story that

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that puts the Trump administration in a good light is

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a very very small little ray of light. I think,

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how about you?

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Speaker 2: Were you as? You weren't? Apparently? I mean when I

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saw it, I was suspicious. I was like, what the

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Washington's going on here? No, the New York Times, You're

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totally right the Wash. When the Washington Post created the

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Russia collusion hoax. The New York Times was like, we'll

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do it even more than you are, and they raised

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each other to Pulitzers, by the way, as rewards for

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active participation in this information up. When the Kavanaugh rape

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hoax happened, the New York Times was like, we'll make

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up even more stories about this well respected federal judge.

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We're gonna go after him for throwing ice at a

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bar and ordering beer on a high school trip back

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when it was legal to drink beer in high school

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at age eighteen. You know, like they were ridiculous. They

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were competing in the ridiculous department. And so when they

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don't do it here, I'm like, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there might be something they're not doing journalism right, Like,

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but I don't know. Listen, we don't know for sure.

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But it seems from the denials by Trump administration, I mean,

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obviously denials, you could be lying, but it's clear that

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this Admiral Frank Bradley was someone who destroyed, who ordered

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the destruction of the ship. To me, I believe that,

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themselves on these sorts of strikes. They make sure that

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the target is down, but we'll see. I mean, I

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think it's worth I wish I could trust these outlets

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because I think it's worth knowing what we're up to.

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This is what when guided missiles start appearing frequently, I

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think we're in hostilities. Like to me, that's a war

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of a sort. And I want to know what's going

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on me too, And we cannot really know because we

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cannot really trust any of these people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not the government, not the media, not anyone. Okay.

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So the other related thing is that this mini information

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op that the Washington Post was doing was part of

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a larger information op that we have all been witnessing

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and that you know, alluded to with this organized campaign

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to say that military people should not obey orders from

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the president if Democrats in the future say that those

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orders were illegal. And a lot of people in the

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media who don't have a ton of military experience were like,

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what's the big deal, Like, there's no big deal. They

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just said, like, if in the future Democrats think that

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you should be prosecuted for following that order, But they

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didn't say that there was an illegal order, and I

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think they don't understand how precarious military order is and

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how important it is that people not be getting mixed

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messages from political leaders about whether they should follow orders

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or not from their higher ups. And you know, that's

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one of the ideas behind the New York Times debunking

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the Washington Post story. Maybe they think they have a

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bet way to pursue this larger information op of trying

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to accuse Trump and his people of war crimes. I

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don't know, but I think everyone should be wary of

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the obvious organized information op that's going on, meaning there

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are nonprofits, so called nonprofit groups, you know, Democrat funded

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groups that are posting billboards outside of military installations, sowing

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doubt in the minds of military members. You had the

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video produced by one of these NGO groups to from

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from what Donald Trump calls the seditious Six, these six

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elected Democrats, including Captain Mark Kelly as he likes to

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call himself, the Senator from Arizona, you know, saying lots

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of weird stuff about following orders. And so once you

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start seeing information ops working, you know, like we talked

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about the Russia collusion hoax, the Kavanaugh thing, the first Ukraine, impeachment, etc.

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get a feel for them, and so I'll be curious

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how this proceeds or whether they're going to decide that

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this one failed and move on to another one. What

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do you think it is?

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Speaker 1: It is incredibly suspicious that they were engaged in this

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unlawful order thing right before this story came out. Maybe

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they knew the story was going to come out and

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that's why they were doing Here's my problem with with

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the seditious six. First of all, it's not I don't

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think anything they've done is sedition, you know. I think

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this is covered by speech. But they are simply unable

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to give us an example of what an illegal order

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would be. They couldn't give us a single example until

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this happened. And Kelly said the other day this looked

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like it was unlawful and illegal, don't I don't think

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it's unlawful or illegal, you know, to target these boats,

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But why would they continually say that with any kind

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of specific instance of where someone was ordered to do something,

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which I think this will segue into our National Guard

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story as well. It is not illegal to deploy the

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National Guard it is not illegal to take out these boats,

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and it is dangerous and reckless to tell, you know,

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a politically a young person who's in the army to

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not or any armed forces to disobey orders because they

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have some kind of political problem with it. The aren't

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The commander in chief is elected by the American people.

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He is there, he gives orders. People follow them unless

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they're unconstitutional or or they think they're moral. And if

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they do don't follow them, they have to pay a consequence,

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you know, if they're not illegal. So I don't know,

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let's talk about the National Guard. Unfortunately during was it

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Thanksgiving Day? I forget, but two national it was the.

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Speaker 2: Day before Thanksgiving last.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday, Wednesday, right, they were shot in Washington, d C. Honestly,

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I don't wasn't really following the news that day. Do

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you know what area that this happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't the Varigate West Metro staff, which is

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just a couple of blocks. I mean, first of all,

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it's like totally downtown d C. And it is just

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a couple of blocks from the White House.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, place I've been many times, you know, the place

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that's well known to most Two people who are in DC.

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This isn't some corner of corner of the city anyway.

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Speaker 2: It's horrible.

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Speaker 1: One of the a young woman died, Sarah Beckstrom. She

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was only twenty years of age. Yeah, not that it

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would have been okay at any age. From West Virginia

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National Guard. The other guardsman, Andrew Wolfe, was shot. He's

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twenty four. He's still I believe, in critical condition. It

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was a terror attack, right. It was an Afghan named

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uh I can't pronounce it. Lockanwall is the last name

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who was brought over here during the after the Afghan withdrawal.

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found it so I got so angry at reading this,

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these stories. I think ABC News carried one where they

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talked about the financial stress he was under and this

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and that, and you know, like that is a reason

476
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to fly across the country. I think he's where was

477
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,039
he from California? I'm not sure where it was, Washington State,

478
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,960
Washington State? I think Washington see or drove drive and

479
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:49,119
shoot to National guardsmen? So PTSD this that, I mean,

480
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,279
give me a break. This is a terror attack. It's

481
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a Islamic terror attack. It seems everything points to that

482
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it's horrible. And another part of this was I'm sure

483
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you saw this people democrats and leftists trying to blame

484
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,039
Trump for deploying the National Guard and putting them in

485
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this position. He has every right under the Constitution to

486
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deploy the National Guard to Washington, DC. There was no

487
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reason for them to be shot. It's not Donald Trump's fault.

488
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,480
It's not the National Guard's fault. It is the fault

489
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of an Islamic terrorist. So I think it can be.

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Speaker 2: It can be part of a bigger story. Though. One

491
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of the things that was interesting is that in twenty

492
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twenty one, so during the first Trump administration, Trump arranged

493
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to end the war in Afghanistan, and Biden, you know,

494
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,359
was kind of boxed in but didn't fight it, and

495
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he did go ahead and end that war. The manner

496
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in which he ended it was a mess, perhaps possibly

497
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partly a result of the US military not wanting to

498
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,839
end the war there and not making appropriate plans for

499
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how to do it. I don't know. But one of

500
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the things that became a cause for the Senate was

501
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that we needed to get every single Afghan who had

502
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helped in the effort in this twenty some year long

503
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war in Afghanistan, that we needed to get everyone who

504
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had helped and their families, their extended families, and they

505
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,319
all needed to come over, and they needed to come

506
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over immediately. And I remember Senator Ben sass was very

507
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upset that JD. Bance had said he didn't think this

508
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was a good idea, and he said, I would be

509
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honored to have these people as my neighbors. These are

510
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just the best people in the world. And so a

511
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couple months into it, the House Republicans on the Homeland

512
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Security Oversight Committee were investigating how the was going on

513
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,519
these Afghans who were being brought over, and what they

514
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,720
found was there was we're told that this was among

515
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the group of the most highly vetted people in the

516
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,279
history of the universe. And that's just a flat out lie.

517
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Like if people should learn what it means to have

518
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been vetted as part of this program to bring people over.

519
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And let's just like pauseier to note that this man

520
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that killed these two National guardsmen was someone who helped

521
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,599
the CIA in the Afghanistan war, and in fact, I

522
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,079
think he was an assassin for the CIA, or that's

523
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:42,640
what the reporting is right now. So you know, interesting

524
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920
background history in light of where things ended up, and

525
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,920
maybe worth analyzing a little bit more about the type

526
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of person that you use for kill operations overseas being

527
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brought into suburban Washington State. You know whether that is

528
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,839
the best idea and whether the best oversight was done here.

529
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But in general, the vetting for people would be like

530
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to ask them, are you a terrorist?

531
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Speaker 3: No?

532
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Speaker 2: Do you have any plans to be a terrorist? No,

533
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You're good to go. Like that was the vetting people

534
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:21,960
in Afghanistan. It's such a m non advanced country. Let's

535
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say that they don't know their birthdays, they don't have

536
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records of their names birthdays. They would do a search

537
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,319
for names, and if people didn't show up in a

538
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,720
database of like hardened criminals, they were like, you're good

539
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to go. And that's when they were doing vetting. One

540
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,400
of the things this House Republican report found was that

541
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people on US bass or sorry, people in the US

542
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,960
thought that the vetting was being done by where they

543
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,920
were held overseas on US bases, and people on the

544
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US basis thought the vetting would be done once the

545
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people came to America. So I do think there are

546
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more people involved in this shooting of the National guardsman

547
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than just the guy who did it, and our refugee

548
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:11,800
resettlement and asylum programs are insane and the type of

549
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,519
thing you would do if you were trying to destroy

550
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:18,239
a country, and like the calmness with which people engage

551
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,159
in this is just it's criminal.

552
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Speaker 1: Well I'm going to say something probably bit unpopular right now,

553
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,800
but well, let's take a step back. The withdrawal process

554
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:40,119
of Afghanistan was timed for political expediency, not for the

555
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:44,800
best strategy from withdrawing, meaning they kind of threw to

556
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,079
people and then there was a big bottleneck and a

557
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,960
crazed bunch of people trying to escape that country. I

558
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,639
actually think that leaving people to be slaughtered who are

559
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,000
helping you in that way is a moral.

560
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Speaker 2: So that but hold on, that's a lot you're assuming there.

561
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Why would they be slaughtered?

562
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Speaker 1: Why would they Why would people who help the Americans

563
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,239
be slaughtered in in Afghanistan by the Taliban? I think

564
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,719
that's a pretty I think that those who were known

565
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to have helped the CIA or the American Armed Forces

566
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were in danger.

567
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Speaker 2: Are they sure they would have been known to have helped?

568
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Speaker 1: You know, there were people who were known because we

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know there were lists of people that were handed to

570
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the Taliban. By the way, I.

571
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Speaker 2: Actually was just I was being devil's advocate. I agree

572
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:35,599
with you, what part of they shouldn't be left there

573
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,679
to be killed by the Taliban means they should come

574
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to suburban Washington State.

575
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Speaker 1: Now you're jumping ahead of what I was going to

576
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talk about. So that's a problem, and there should have

577
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,039
been a plant to help them in some way, not

578
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:51,599
necessarily for sure to be real, to be you know,

579
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,840
to be put in in suburban anywhere, United States, but

580
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,400
there should have been a plant to try to help

581
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,880
them to go somewhere else, go to Pakistan, go, I

582
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,199
don't know where, but they're needs to be. And I'm

583
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:03,960
not saying every single person who was running for those

584
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,239
planes needed to be or who have came to the

585
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,960
American base needed to be resettled. But I think it's

586
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,679
fair to say that we did create some of that

587
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,360
problem there and that we shouldn't abandon people who are

588
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,639
legitimately helped us, the people the CIA, And I don't

589
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:22,639
know if this is going to bear out in reporting.

590
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,920
We'll see who this guy was, but if you used

591
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,760
him in assassinations, he's obviously a bad guy, and those

592
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,800
are usually the people you're going to recruit to assassinate

593
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,280
other people within Afghanistan.

594
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: Right, you're not necessarily a bad guy.

595
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,519
Speaker 1: Okay, not necessary, but but you are not.

596
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: But you're not a normal person.

597
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Speaker 1: You're not a normal person. Now we come to the

598
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,800
second part, the vetting. What kind of vetting can you

599
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,360
really do?

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Speaker 3: Right?

601
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Speaker 1: I mean you could. It is easily the case that

602
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,079
this guy could have been radicalized here we don't even know,

603
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,440
but maybe he was radicalized before. You don't know, you're right,

604
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,679
you're going to do I'm going to ask you, are

605
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,760
you're a terrorist? No, I'm not. It's like asking someone

606
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,360
if they were a communist in nineteen fifties, right, like

607
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,480
you know was coming up. I mean that my parents

608
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,199
came over, they asked them, are you're a communist? If

609
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,880
you ever been a communist? You can lie about that stuff,

610
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,880
and certainly Islamic nations where there's a lot of radicalism,

611
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,400
that's a big problem for us. So I would I want.

612
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Speaker 2: To point out that people got real IDs based on

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this betting, something I don't have yet because I don't

614
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,840
have my paperwork together to get it done. But some

615
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,039
Rando Afghan who doesn't know what day of the month

616
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,360
of the year of he was born, has a real id.

617
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Speaker 1: And I do I am I have a real idea

618
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,800
because I might that gave me one. But let me

619
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,639
say this, the I am a fan of immigration. I

620
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:52,360
get a lot of heat for it. The mood within

621
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:56,320
sort of activist conservative circles has changed. The thing is,

622
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,480
I just don't think that we have to have immigrants

623
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,440
from everywhere. I think we get to chew where they

624
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,639
come from. Now when good Americans, it is perfectly legitimate

625
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,199
for us to say we can't really vet people from

626
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,400
certain places very well, so we're not going to let

627
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them into the country. There is nothing in the constitution

628
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,920
that says we have to allow people from everywhere all

629
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,800
the time to come in. And since the Obama years,

630
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,320
I think we let in people from Islamic countries more

631
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,159
than anywhere else, and that is becoming a problem.

632
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Speaker 2: So this is a good quick segue into the Somalia story.

633
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,280
Did you follow that at all? And I know it's

634
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,320
been like a story it's been going on for years

635
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,960
about how Somalis in Minnesota have been engaged in fraud

636
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,480
in federal government programs. You know, the story that kind

637
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960
of blew up last week was how they'd set up

638
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:48,400
autism centers and how they were getting billions of dollars

639
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,360
for like this crazy amount of autism in the Somali

640
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,639
community in Minnesota, and that the money was being funneled

641
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,679
back to terror organizations like Al Shabab.

642
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Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable with often with saying oh, here are a

643
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,920
bunch of people in a certain community, so all the

644
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,599
people are bad and that sort of thing. Right with

645
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,800
this story which was reported on we should say more

646
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,159
deeply by Christopher Rufo, I think, yeah, I mean, there's.

647
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: Been good the stuff on the terror funding. He broke

648
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,159
that this last week. The story has actually been undercovered,

649
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,480
but covered extensively for the last couple of years by

650
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,599
a variety of different groups.

651
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: But now I will say something about Rufo, who I

652
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,840
have no you know, I don't always agree with like

653
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,599
I honestly, I think he's probably more paleo conservative than me.

654
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,360
I don't always like what he says, but he is

655
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,760
a perfect example of good of a person who is

656
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:48,800
doing good journalism, and that should be rewarded over these

657
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,039
influencers who add nothing. You know, like who you know

658
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:56,119
who I'm talking about. I do so. It was a

659
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:59,719
good story, well reported story. I am not I think

660
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,559
it's important to say this. I don't like to judge

661
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:07,400
people as a group, but when you're importing a kind

662
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,920
of culture that is obviously from another place, this Somalia,

663
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,119
which is corrupt place, if you're not embracing American culture.

664
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We are actually not a very corrupt country compared to

665
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480
Europe or anywhere else. We have low corruption here. This

666
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:26,719
is a problem of assimilation that is a legitimate thing

667
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,719
to talk about. I don't think it's a islamophobic it

668
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,760
is islamophobic. Actually, it's phobic of the kind of things

669
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,079
that go on in the Islamic world. It's not anti

670
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:41,440
Muslim to say that. It's just a fact and it points,

671
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:45,039
I think, to a bad immigration policy. And I don't

672
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,440
mean just letting the people in. I mean assimilating them

673
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,840
in our schools, changing their culture and all of that

674
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which we can.

675
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the two I think the two groups, the

676
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two most prominent groups that are responsible for this failure

677
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:02,199
of assimilation are what used to be called Lutheran immigration

678
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,639
and refugee services. I think maybe they stopped being Lutheran

679
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,400
or changed their name somehow, and then Catholic charities of

680
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,599
some kind, I can't remember which particular group, and they

681
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:20,159
managed to become this middleman between US policy on letting

682
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,840
anyone in the world who wants to come come and

683
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,239
take taxpayer money and the immigrants. And they have also,

684
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,880
you know, they've done it's not business because it's nonprofits,

685
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,079
but they've done big business in this regard, and they

686
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:42,760
were able to accommodate so many more immigrants than so.

687
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Just to back up really quickly, Lutheran immigration refugee services,

688
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,000
which I think used to be targeted really to Lutherans

689
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,159
who were coming from other places and helping them out

690
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:58,239
as they came to America, had moved from small batch

691
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,400
immigration help like when people were fleeing communist countries, helping

692
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,599
them get set up in communities, into this like mass

693
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:10,199
immigration operation. Same with Catholic charities. When you were doing

694
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,840
it at a smaller level, assimilation was much more feasible

695
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,119
and it was much more community based, like a church

696
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,920
would take in a few new families and help them

697
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,000
get set up and help them assimilate to the culture

698
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,599
around them. When you're bringing in like one hundred thousand

699
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,400
people from another country and not even like trying that

700
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,079
they're They're not only not bringing them into the Lutheran

701
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,480
Church or the Roman Catholic church. They're setting up they're

702
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:42,559
Muslim the houses of worship and communities, which can prevent

703
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,119
or make it more difficult to have some assimilation into

704
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,239
the Minnesota community.

705
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Speaker 1: And what about when you have leaders of that community

706
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saying that America is terrible, that it is wrong to assimilate, right,

707
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,639
I mean you have you send these kids to a

708
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,800
public school that doesn't even teach them, you know, American

709
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,079
civics or why things are the way they are here,

710
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,159
or why they're better. You're not supposed to say we're better,

711
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,039
our civilization is better. That doesn't mean everything in your

712
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:17,000
civilization is bad. It means that you will be successful here. Like,

713
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:21,159
for instance, I would demand that you have a completely

714
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,599
This is nothing to do with radicalization or terrorism, because

715
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:28,519
terrorists can learn English, but you should be completely fluent

716
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:30,159
in English if you want to come here and be

717
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,840
a citizen or a refugee. Now, I will also say

718
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,920
you mentioned the Lutherans and Catholics. My parents were refugees

719
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,599
that came here through Highest which was a Jewish organization

720
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:44,039
that helped Jewish refugees, particularly from the Soviet Union places

721
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,159
like that. Now they're just bringing in all kinds of people.

722
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,400
They're not even about Jewish refugees because they are under

723
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Jewish refugees anymore. And that's a problem because I think

724
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,760
there were many when my parents came here. At least

725
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,000
I just do this because I know that process. But

726
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,599
there was an expectation in the community you came into

727
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:09,480
that you'd want to become American. My dad watched TV

728
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:12,280
to learn English, you know what I mean, Like he didn't.

729
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,679
No one told him you didn't have to learn English.

730
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,360
Everyone the expectation would be that you do in language

731
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,079
is an important part of that. So I don't know.

732
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,559
Obviously this is a bigger topic with a lot of problems,

733
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:24,119
but yeah, I think.

734
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: We might be needing to talk about it more. But

735
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:31,639
I'm sensitive to time here, Okay, So I want to

736
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,440
find out about culture stuff with you.

737
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I have something to talk about. Well, actually, how

738
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,559
about you. You're in Colorado, you have anything to say?

739
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm in beautiful tell your ide and.

740
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,079
Speaker 1: Is that where like Oprah has a house and Tom

741
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,599
Cruise has had this beautiful over there right, it's like.

742
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: The place for people who live here, think Aspen is

743
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:57,760
for losers, like it's so nice and staying here with friends.

744
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,079
Speaker 1: Aspens down market for that, I get it.

745
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,599
Speaker 2: But I was walking around. We're here during the off season.

746
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,920
The mountain is not open yet, but I was walking

747
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,599
around downtown and I saw they're going to have a

748
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,519
people's march on December twelfth. I'm like, oh my gosh,

749
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,679
like I cannot even imagine a more elite place to

750
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,880
do a people's march. And we had driven through here

751
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,400
in June and this was the place that I told

752
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,440
you that it was gay because like of all the

753
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,679
gay flags everywhere with like symbols, I didn't even understand.

754
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,440
But it's beauty. It's absolutely beautiful here. And I walked

755
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:39,360
by an elk yesterday and it was anyway, that's nice. Wait, sorry,

756
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,880
and I did. I came here from Bend, Oregon, which

757
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,119
is the land of my husband's family, and that is

758
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:48,760
another very fancy place, although when he grew up there

759
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,039
it was more like a normal rural ish place.

760
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: It's like places I go in West Virginia where I'm

761
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,920
not even going to mention them, but people people find

762
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,480
them and then turn them into places where normal people

763
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,400
can live anymore.

764
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: Exactly.

765
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's best not to mention like Ben should

766
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,480
never have like talked about how great it was there,

767
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:19,400
because now it's a rich people place. I uh. I

768
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,000
watched a show called Travelman.

769
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,159
Speaker 2: Hmm.

770
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:28,599
Speaker 1: It stars Richard ayadi is how you pronounce it? And

771
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:33,639
you know him? So you know who he is, right? Okay,

772
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,960
he's from the IT crowd. I forgot was the name

773
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,119
of the person he played, Moss.

774
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,199
Speaker 2: I love that show so much.

775
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: I do too. Do you know that the creator of

776
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,199
that show? Now you know about him? Okay, yeah, so he's.

777
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: Been persecuted by his country.

778
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, So he does a show travel Man, where

779
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,480
he goes to a city with a celebrity. I have

780
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:01,440
to be honest with you. Most of them are British

781
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,159
celebrities I don't know, or comedians that I don't know

782
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,119
that well. But he'll go to Budapest for forty eight hours,

783
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,400
Paris for forty eight hours. He actually went to New

784
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,639
York with someone for forty eight hours. And it's a

785
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,679
really good show. But that made me want to know

786
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,639
more about Richard Ayoadi because I find him very funny.

787
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,559
And in a weird way, like a British Woody Allen

788
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:26,239
almost in the sense that he's very nebbish and very you.

789
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: Know, yes, funny glad.

790
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's written like three books and they're absolutely

791
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,559
hilarious books. One is Ayoadi on Ayowadi, which makes fun

792
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:41,480
of those books like Scorsese on scorsesean stuff, but he

793
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:45,800
actually is like interviewing himself and it's very funny. Anyway,

794
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,920
I'm a huge fan of this guy now. I watch

795
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,280
him on YouTube and I just I just think he's

796
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,559
a he's a good guy. He's in the Phoenician Scheme

797
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:55,800
that Wes Anderson movie. I have not seen that, and

798
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,480
apparently he's writing a movie was with Wes Anderson, so

799
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:01,760
I'm excited about that. This shows a lot of fun

800
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,480
if you like travel shows, because he goes to weird

801
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:08,719
places and he does not praise every city like he

802
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,559
went to Hamburg and he just like makes fun of

803
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,639
yeah it is yeah, it's like why are we here?

804
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,199
So it's a lot of fun if you're into British humor.

805
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:25,119
So that's what I did, I think, and I watched

806
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:28,880
there was this documentary about Eddie Murphy on Netflix that

807
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,159
I watched almost the whole part of it. I have

808
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,360
to tell you something. When I was growing up, I

809
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,599
had to tell you something ali here on this podcast.

810
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,880
When I was growing up, I watched a lot of

811
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,599
in the late seventies when I was young, you know,

812
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,159
elementary school, and then in the eighties, I watched a

813
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,239
ton of stand up. We had HBO. I watched Richard Pryor,

814
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,480
Like I remember watching Belzer if he goes first name, now,

815
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,079
just a ton of people Richard Belzer. I remember watching

816
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,679
seeing Jerry Seinfeld before he had a show. I thought

817
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,159
he was great. A lot of this doesn't hold up

818
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:03,239
for me. Richard Pryor does not hold up for me.

819
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,320
Eddie Murphy does not hold up for me. It's just

820
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,679
kind of shock comedy where he was saying a lot

821
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,760
of things that you weren't supposed to do in those days.

822
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,840
But now it's kind of like meh, especially with Richard

823
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,159
Pryor and Eddie Murphy. Oh, I did drugs. I was

824
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:20,760
on fire, you know this f that. Like, I'm not

825
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,760
against cursing in comedy, but it just doesn't seem smart.

826
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,320
There are no jokes, there's no it's very few, like

827
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,880
funny observations that in them, at least from my perspective.

828
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,760
I don't know how you'd feel if you watched it.

829
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: But so first off, I don't think comedy holds up period.

830
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,639
And what I mean by that is it's like a

831
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,679
daily newspaper. You can reread an old newspaper and be like, oh, yeah,

832
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:51,400
I remember when the Twin Towers came down or whatever,

833
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:56,159
but it's not working the day you read it later,

834
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,599
unless you're truly doing historical analysis.

835
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,599
Speaker 1: It's true with like when I watch Lenny Bruce, I

836
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:04,199
don't even get it. I don't think it's funny, don't

837
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,039
I honestly don't. I get that it was revolutionary and

838
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,039
transgressive and it was something that people had never seen.

839
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,719
But when I watch one of these like Catskill Comedians,

840
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,119
they're still funny, like it's about the human condition, not

841
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,320
about the news.

842
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: So I always like, I have old comedy albums and

843
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,000
sometimes I'll listen to them again, and I remember that

844
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,480
when I was a kid, I really loved comedy albums.

845
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,760
My mom has excellent taste in comedy. But now the

846
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,000
only ones that I really still get something out of

847
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,320
are don't make fun of Me, Cheech and shrong. I

848
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,840
still think the weed humor holds up.

849
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:46,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you know, I could listen like George

850
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:48,840
Carlin a lot. I used to have those albums from

851
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,679
you know, they were seventies albums if I listened to them

852
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,239
as a teenager, and they would make me laugh and

853
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,039
I wonder why was I really laughing? A lot of

854
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:59,280
it's not that funny, but yet there will be the

855
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,639
occasional uh you know skit that I think is smart,

856
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,159
but I don't know, a lot of it just doesn't

857
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:08,920
hold up. And yeah, like Robin Williams doesn't hold up

858
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,199
for me.

859
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,639
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, no on the comedy front, I just

860
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,239
want to say that on the flight out to Oregon,

861
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,159
which takes an entire day to travel from Washington, d C.

862
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,519
To Bend, Oregon. But anyway, I was listening to podcasts.

863
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,039
Let me just first off say there are some popular

864
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:29,119
podcasts that aren't really that great, but I I mean,

865
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,280
I enjoy them. But you you you just realize, like

866
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,639
a lot of podcasts it's just two guys talking or

867
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,239
four guys talking or whatever. I would put the Conan

868
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,840
O'Brien one in there, but I enjoy it based on

869
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,719
whoever the whoever the comedian he's interviewing.

870
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,079
Speaker 1: Is you do realize that we're just two people talking

871
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:45,960
on this spotcast.

872
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,079
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I put up I put us up

873
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,760
against some of these. But he had on Chris Fleming,

874
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:55,960
and I think I've told you about him before. I

875
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:02,159
love him. He's absurd, absurdist comedy, very physical, and it

876
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,199
was interesting to get some of his backstory about how

877
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,960
he became who he was. And I don't know. I

878
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:14,000
dragged Mark to one of his shows in DC and

879
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:16,119
he did it. Was that thing where Mark is just

880
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:18,679
doing it because he loves me and he occasionally lets

881
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,119
me pick pick what we do. And he came out

882
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,760
of it loving it. He was like, Okay, I acknowledge this.

883
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,719
And then the other thing is he pointed out that

884
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,880
Conan says it's that Chris Fumming is his favorite comedian

885
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,960
and that legitimized him in my husband's eyes. I guess

886
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,760
you might check him out. You'll probably hate him. You

887
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,719
would totally hate him.

888
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,159
Speaker 1: Physical, physical comedy, very physical. Like you know, let me

889
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:48,199
tell you who holds up amazing? Who really is just

890
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,719
so so funny? Is Stephen Wright? The one liner jokes

891
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,559
I'm saying they're so smart. He's a genius. Great, yeah, yeah,

892
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:59,199
he's a genius. Like I'm not saying any Murphy is

893
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,599
not funny, because a lot of the Sound Night Live skits,

894
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:04,159
for instance, I think are still funny, like when he

895
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,159
dresses up as a white person and goes out into

896
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,519
the world and everyone's giving him everything for free. Like

897
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,639
that's really still funny, even the gumbies, Like I get that.

898
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,320
I think it's funny, but his his stand ups just

899
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,159
not you know, it's just crass for no really good reason.

900
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,920
And I think I laughed when I was a kid

901
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,280
because I'm like, oh wow, I can't believe he said that.

902
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,559
But it doesn't you do it for me now anyway?

903
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:27,519
Sorry interrupt, No, I was just going to say.

904
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: I also went to see a movie in a movie

905
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,599
theater with my kids and my husband, and that was

906
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:37,400
in Bend, Oregon. And the really crazy thing is we

907
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,559
showed up to the movie theater and it was I

908
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:43,320
mean there were long lines to get in, long lines

909
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,719
for concessions. It had like twenty screens. I mean it

910
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,039
was crazy crowded. I know it was around the holidays,

911
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,360
but still I was like, this reminds me of going

912
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,760
to movies when I was a kid, you know, Yeah,

913
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,000
and we saw the Okay, so we saw Now you

914
00:53:59,039 --> 00:53:59,960
see Me, Now you don't.

915
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: I think it's called Oh yeah, I saw the original

916
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,599
two or whatever I think, and I was just kind.

917
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: Of accompanying the family and they were like, mom, you've

918
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,800
seen the previous two, and I'm like, I have never

919
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,360
seen this in my life. I mean, and I genuinely hadn't.

920
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,559
So it seemed like a third movie. It was totally serviceable.

921
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,079
Woody Harrelson, isn't it. He's he was very much Woody Harrelson.

922
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,079
Speaker 1: Like, but I like that, Yeah, you like Woody Harrelson,

923
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:38,519
who always plays himself basically yeah. And then the first

924
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:41,159
one was pretty good but I don't remember.

925
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: And it had like a really stupid woke subplot, anti

926
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:52,960
capitalist thing blah. And then in a bookstore in Bend,

927
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:57,960
I got this little book of four Russian short stories.

928
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: Saw you tweet it about that, and I really so.

929
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: The first one was first Turgenev. I don't have to say,

930
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,159
I don't know how to say names, and we're going

931
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,239
to get complaints. Get Although I had a lot of

932
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,440
people say that i'd been doing alright on my pronunciation.

933
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,719
And we got some fan notes about not using they

934
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,760
when we should say he, although someone was curious if

935
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,760
we do it in our own speech, and I probably

936
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,840
do say they in my own speech. I just don't

937
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,920
want it in my writing. Yeah, but now I'm reading

938
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,559
this Dostoevsky The.

939
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: Gambler, Oh, yeah, I've read that. Yeah.

940
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,679
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how the Russians are so.

941
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: Good at suffer.

942
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: Oh.

943
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,559
Speaker 1: They have great composers, they have great writers, yes, even

944
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:53,400
some great filmmakers, but they are in general unable to

945
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,679
govern themselves in any kind of constructive way.

946
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: They're so comfortable with death as a people, even the

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way they fight wars and everything. It's just like, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how comfortable they are.

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I think it's just an inevitability which has no you know,

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which you have no way to escape, right, I mean,

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in these authoritarian or totalitarian regimes, I think they're comfortable,

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but they do write about it in an incredible I mean,

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I love Dostoevsky, and sometimes I feel like that's obvious,

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like people like I don't know that it's easy to

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like him because it's just so cutting and funny and stuff.

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I mean, I have to say sometimes it's a bit

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much like The Brothers Karamazov. To read the whole thing,

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it gets to be a you do. Yeah, I mean

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I always. I think I told you this before. I

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wish they had named the brothers like Joe, Bob and

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Doug or something, so I wouldn't have to constantly figure

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out what's happening. But his other novels are great.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever read The Brothers? K No, it's like

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an adaptation of Yeah, it's it's it's actually really good

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David James Duncan.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I would, I would read that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of what you just said you wished, right, Yeah,

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I can't remember the names of the brothers, but their

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names like that, like David, But I.

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Speaker 1: Do like sometimes picking it up and just reading in

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just opening it somewhere and reading it. It's just so amazing.

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So anyway, yeah, all right, that's cool. I saw you

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tweet about that. I'm not a big short story guy.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I like it for like when you're traveling and you

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just don't have like extensive periods, but you got train planes,

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trains and automobiles. You know time anyway. That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it. If you'd like to reach the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

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we we missed you for a week, but we got

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a lot of good mail on your collective pronoun stuff

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and everything else. I'm seriously like it was interesting mail this.

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Speaker 2: Week, agreed.

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Speaker 1: Even the guy there's a guy who hates and you're

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writes all the time. Even he sent a letter that

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was kind of like, not as angry as the usual one.

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Some really appreciative because it's Thanksgiving time and we should

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be thankful. I appreciate it. I appreciate the mail. But

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we'll be back next week, and until then be lovers

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of freedom and anxious for a fraid