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Dogman Encounters dot com Forward Slash podcast. Growing up, we've
all been warned against doing various things for our own good.
Your parents might have warned you about going to this
place or that place. Don't do this for whatever reason.
Wall Tonight's Guest had a grandfather who used to warn
him about going to a particular water hole in Queensland,
Australia where he grew up, because the local said that
there was a monster that lived there and if you
were there after dark, your safety was in jeopardy. Locals
back then and still present day they would go to
the water hole and swim and hang out and all
that during the day, but once you got close to
dusk they were packing up and heading out their big time.
And then by the time that night had fallen, the
place was a ghost town. And it's still that way.
Like I said, and also, like I said, that's for
a reason. But it's a reason that Tonight's guest is
going to come on and tell us all about well
without any further Ado. Let's bring him in here so
he can do that. Tonight's guest is Sam Guisler. Sam,
thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jeez, Vick, nice to have me on Mike.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: Sam.
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wells Vick said me. I'm Sam. Grew up just
south of Bunderberg, and growing up we always told from
my grandfather not to camp at the Bunya Pole, which
we didn't listen to and we found out. Yeah, I'm
twenty nine year old. I've got a couple of kids
and still go out in the bush now. Just love
being out there, But since the experience, I'm a lot
more wary on what goes on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why you would be. How far
did you grow up from the Bunya Pool.
Speaker 1: So we were about three hour drives, so about one
hundred and one hundred and sixty mile. I think it
works out to be converting from kilometers.
Speaker 2: Well, if you have to have a place like that around,
I guess it's a lot better to be three hours
from it by car then to be right next to it.
So that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely, Vick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is. How iolated is the bunyip?
Speaker 1: Paul?
Speaker 2: You said it's about three hours from where you grew up,
but how I slated?
Speaker 1: Is it? So the town near it's got about it's
probably a couple of thousand people lived. Oh, wouldn't even that,
Maybe a thousand people spread out across a large area,
small little harb if you blink when you going through
the town, if you blink, you miss it. And it's
about forty five minutes further out than that on a
dirt road.
Speaker 2: So it is pretty isolated. Then, well, we've already established
the fact that your grandfather used to warn you about
going there, But you think that might be because he
might have had an experience there of his own with
the bun yip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so after us talking on the print of view,
I'm starting to believe that he did. On how much
he warned us, and how angry he was that when
I told him that I camped there and I saw something,
and yeah, so I'm starting to believe that he he
did have an experience in his youth.
Speaker 2: You're starting to believe that he had one in his youth,
or at least sometime now, But back then when he
would tell you and try to warn you to stay
away from the bunny pool, did you believe him?
Speaker 1: Not? Really, we would not have kids. Oh, I saw
the stories we were told were just just to put
fear and the kids so that kids didn't gue down
the crank and aught Tom and Dram.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it could blame you for thinking that.
I mean, parents, grandparents, They tell us so many things
like that that aren't true, but to try and protect
our safety, to try and protect us. So who could
fault you for not believing that? I mean, after all,
as we grow up, we're programmed to believe that there
are no such things as monsters walking around out there.
But unfortunately, you and your buddies you found out that's
not true that one night when you decided to try
your hand at camping there.
Speaker 1: Yes, we did, we definitely did. An I'm glad we
had the rifle we had with us and that we
were well enough mine to get out of there when
we did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. How long of stories about
the Bunyan been around?
Speaker 1: Do you know a long time? Mate? My grandfather would
be seventy four, and the stories are around before him
so they'd probably go back to Aboriginal time before the
European colonization of Australia.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is a long time. I'm sure it's a
long shot. But do you have any idea where the
name Bunyip came from?
Speaker 1: So the Bunyant name come from Aboriginal law. It's the
man called Bunyip was taking the women and children from
the Rainbow serpent. The rainbow sevens wives and children. The
rainbow serpent cursed him into the Bunyant, into the bill Bong,
and he was to forever live in the Bunyan as
a Bunyan to take women and children.
Speaker 2: When you've got a monster rooming around. There are certain
names that really strike fear in your heart. But the
name Bunya doesn't sound all that frightening when people, when
locals hear that name, though, I'm sure it shakes them
up pretty badly, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you got the old locals or the old
the old copies yet there, you talk about the Bunya
pole and they yeah, no, don't go there. And if
you talk to the young ones, they are like, oh
it's a great swimmen, how we go there all the time?
Speaker 2: If people are that afraid of the Bunyip though. One
thing I just can't wrap my mind around is if
they know that there's a monster that is there at
any time, whether it's normally just at night or whatever.
It still gets me that so many of the people,
so many of the locals, will actually still go there
during the daylight hours. That's hard to wrap your mind around.
Have you ever been to the Bunya Pole before you
had that encounter that night?
Speaker 1: We drove past it once when a kid.
Speaker 2: How'd that go?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fine, we were just cruising along and we had
my granddad in the car and he was drinking, and
we're going out to where the old old families found
used to be at there and hey, guys, that's the
bunny poll there boy. And we just kept driving so huh.
Speaker 2: Pretty uneventful. Thank goodness for that too.
Speaker 1: It was probably about I don't know, and I just
remember looking at them and they go, oh yeah, okay, cool.
We just kept hooking along on the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you were in the car, so it's not
like anything that notable could happen. So you're in a
surprise there, all right, Sam, Please tell us all about
this encounter now, give us ever last detail that comes
to mind.
Speaker 1: So we'll go back to when we were first ever
told about it. As kids were sitting around with my
grandfather and me and me two little brothers. He was drinking.
We were just drinking their apple juice, sitting around the fire,
rice and marshmall with him. He started telling us we
go stories and all that of the bunyarp yew he's
feather footch a man, all that sort of stuff. And
we were listening to the one about the Bunyap and
he said that no matter how hard you used to
drive cattle to it, they'd always split up around it
and meet up on the other side and continue on.
And anyone that's worked with cattle before they know that,
no matter how hard you push them, they go to water. Well,
these cows that always split up and met on the
other side of the water and not go near it.
Ourboriginals will not camp there, they will not stay there.
They will go swimming there during the day, but as
soon as that sun starts going down there out. So
that's that's the backstory to it. It was about two
thousand and twenty thirteen, some of twenty thirteen, was it yeah, thirteen.
It was after all the floods, So it was we're
out that way the radio, just me and one of
my mates, Chris, were out there. Met a few girls
from out there we've met a couple of times running
around the radio stuff, and we were talking about the
buny Pie. I don't even remember how we got on
the subject of it, you mate. Chris had never heard
of it. He grew up in Shielder's area. So we're like, oh,
we've got camping there, and the girl's like, oh no,
don't camp there. Rather stories. I'm like, I'm just trying
to be tough and trying to repress them, like nothing
scares us. We were right, we've got the rifle with
us and it comes out. So the weekend, after we've
loaded up the yute, I mean, Chris gone out there,
picked up the girls on the way out, got out there,
set up camp, swimming, drinking, hunting pigs. It was a
great time. It was a beautiful day, really warm, so
we spent a lot of time in the water the
whole time during the day. Did not get a weird
feeling once. It was just you're just sitting in straight
out back, drinking beer and swimming. It was a great time.
We had really really good time. Then the sun start
going down. We went for another little bit of a hunt,
got a few more pigs, come back to the camp,
got the fire going, sitting around, cooked up, cooked up
some dinner, and then about eleven o'clock at night, everything
went quiet, like dead quite everything, the fire, even the
fight that sat out, the crackle of the fire, even
that went really quiet. That all the cadas in the bush,
they all died off, all of everything. And I've just
looked at you, mate, Chris, and I'm like, what's going
on here? Just got the feeling inside that something's wrong,
We're not safe. And then we've just pushed through, like yeah,
should be right, sh be right? Then, about fifty meters
down from where we were sitting. So yeah, a bit
forty five fifty yards away from where we were sitting.
This thing's just come out of the creek, come out
of the bloody water hole on all fours. And we
thought it was someone that was with us earlier, just
trying to stir us up. So I'm like, oh, yeah, right,
a smart a hahaha, you real thought, sorry, right, smarty,
you're real funny grabbed the rifle where it was two
two three rifle led around off in the air. This
thing stood up. And when this thing stood up, the
feeling I had inside my stomach was we are in danger,
but something is This thing is here to hurt us.
So it stood up. It's got bright amber eyes and
black like it was blacker than black. You could see
it like it was a full moon night. You could
see it and it was glowing and it was that black,
And that makes sense, like it was just just staring
at us. The easiest way I can explain how it looked.
If you've got Eddie Hall, the world strongest man, and
you put another meter and a half another another four
foot taller, same with shoulders, just massive bloke just standing
there and you hear this crowd. And at that point
I've just put one in the chamber and sent it
straight down at it, got it in the chest, probably
out there. I've hit it with the with the round
and it's made it's gone from a ground like a
low grow to a raw and I've just gone to mate,
get in the car. He's jumped in the ute. The
girls that we had with us, they it was like
they were in a trance. They just they were nothing.
They couldn't see, They didn't know why we were stressing
or why we were shooting. They couldn't see or feel anything.
They were just in a trance and felt like going
for a swim is what they was. Literally what Michelle said,
she wanted to go for a swim. So we've put
them in the car. I've jumped in the tray of
the yute. I've got the spotlight on the roof of
the ute swung around at it, and that's when I
saw it in everything. It was the have you caught
fur or hair on It was glowing like it was
just shiny, black, pristine, like when you get a dog
and you feed a dog heaps of eggs to get
their coat shiny. That's what the coat looked like on
this scene, the teeth on it, the claws, everything. And
I've just let loose the gun we had with us,
had at five rounds in the magazine. I've let another
two go at it. CRUs has taken off in the
car and the yute and I'm just bouncing in the
back of the trail with the spotlight shining. The thing's
chasing us, and I'm just letting rounds go as quick
as I can load them. When I run out on
the fifth one, we've hit the dirt road the main
road and just high tailed it out there with Yeah,
pupping ourselves would be the best way to explain how
we're feel them. It was. Yeah, Well I didn't mention before,
but the smell when it come out of the water,
the smell, it smelt like a cheap motel, like real moldy,
real musky, mildewy, sort of just you walk in your
Oh Jesus Christ. But yeah, that's so. That's the basic,
basically the gist of my first experience. We've had a
couple more, not anything like that, but a couple more
times I've seen stuff in the bush. One was a yowie.
One could have been another buny of experience, but I
didn't see it. Just felt something in the smell, just
felt the the same, what primal, primal knowledge of you're
in trouble. I've come face to face with crocodiles, coastal
coastal type hands, brown snakes on a daily basis, and
I've never been scared of them. I've never been How
I was that, Yeah, that's that's about the gist of it.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's intense. What more can you tell us about
that other experience you.
Speaker 1: Had so another time? So I'm just that's brought back
memories I didn't think were there.
Speaker 2: No take your time, there's no rush.
Speaker 1: So back to the abaginal law of it. The bunnet
live in little bongs or water holes, and they all
the water holes that they live in attached to the
Argisina basin, and so any water hole around could have
one in it. There's been a few times we've been
out hunting near near a creek or near a billabong
and you'll get that smell and that feeling again and
just nothing like that grow but similar. And here's a
good deep growl off in the distance. And since that experience,
I just I don't go looking now. If I hear something,
I'm say, yep, no worries. You stay over there, bruss
And I'm going to keep going this way and we'll
continue on. And yeah, the he's wanted the yeah we
experienced some to tell that one is well made.
Speaker 2: Sure please do.
Speaker 1: So we're out with Danny h rou shooting one of
one of my dad's friends. Just he's got a license
to cold the kangaroos that are in throughout areas to
keep the population down so they don't outbreed themselves and
end up killing themselves and destroying all the farmer's crops
and eating their way through everything. So we're out there
shooting rus. We skin them because he used those cells
the skins. You need to sell skins on meat that
time of year, and that sort of great conditions of
meat in them are no good because there's full of worms.
So we'll skin them and sleute the carcasses in the
in the bloody round yards we had there, and you'll
use the carcasses to get pigs in to get rid
of the wild pigs. It was about three o'clock in
the morning. We've just finished skinning in the last three
there's probably about one hundred carcasses there we had, and
we hear this off in the distance scream, and this
old old original fellow we had with us, Hey, guys,
Nina boys, was get out of here. Get then we've
jumped in the utes and taken off what not in
fear or anything. We've just if an old original fellow
sold us you it's time to get out of there.
It's time to get out of there. They know more
about the Australian outpack than we will ever know. So
we've all jumped in the utes and taken off and
off in the distance, probably between fifty and fifty and
eighty yards away from us, you can see these two big,
probably ten foot tall figures moving across the bush, coming
into where the round yard is. We've gone back in
the morning. There's one hundred dead roofs that are all
just vanished, gone, nothing left, not a bone or a scrap, nothing,
And then just yeah, similar to the similar to the
other Bunya experience I've had out in the bush and
you just hear like a whoop or a groan or something,
and you just hear rocks beIN thrown or sticks being
thrown or something on two legs walking through the bush,
and you just not much here in Australia, that big
that's going to make those sorts of noises.
Speaker 2: No, I'd seen not. And after having the bun you've
encounter and then later on you go on and have
a year encounter or encountered to Yawie's. You had to
be wondering, am I a magnet for this sort of thing?
Or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'll put it down to open myself
in silly situations. So I just I wouldn't grin called
silly situations. You know, thetral bush is at VARs. There's
that much audy that we don't really know about. And
if you spend a little time out there, there's a
fair chance you're going to come across something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say apparently so after your experiences, that's intense.
When the bunyip stood up, how close was it to you?
Speaker 1: About fifty yards?
Speaker 2: I bet that felt like five feet.
Speaker 1: He felt like he's down on top of us. If
it come out closer, I don't think we would have
made it out of there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet it felt that way after you shot it, though,
how close did he get to you? Before you guys
were actually able to leave the area.
Speaker 1: After I shot it, it didn't move to start with.
It just stood there and then roared. And once it
roared and not and didn't go down, that's when we've
got everyone in the car and bailed out. And as
soon as we're in the back of the car, it
was almost it was almost like it was giving us
a chance to get away. Like you guys in America,
do you guys have hide and Seek tiggy, so hide
and seek tag where you play you someone goes hide
for hide and seek and then you're fine and you
gotta give a chance to run then chase them. Oh yeah,
it was like that. It was like it gave us
a chance to get into the car and then it
was on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that fits a normal way of doing things, or
make you think that they're going to come after you
and rip you apart. But in almost every keys it
becomes clear that they're just trying to either drive you
out of the area or just trying to get a
response out of you. So what happened that night it
definitely fits. Now, after you drilled it in the chest
with that round, it's hard to say what it would
have done. But like you said, after you shot it,
it still didn't advance on you.
Speaker 1: It was well, it was almost like it had a
look of surprise, like no one had shot it before.
It was. Yeah, it was like it boots in the
chest and then it just looked down and then looked
up and then rolled and from when it roared to
ut in the car was not very long.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is intense. And just to get this clear,
you said it was about maybe a meter or so
taller than Eddie Hall. Is Eddie about six six or
is he close to seven?
Speaker 1: I think six to six mate, So I put another
full foot on top of Eddie Hall.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, that's big. They get bigger than that. Sounds
like it was ten feet maybe here over ten feet tall.
They do get bigger than that, right around the twelve
foot range. But yeah, I mean a ten footer ten
and a half footer. That seemed like the Eiffel Tower
standing there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm only five ten and it was a
lot bigger than what I am. Oh fot, I forgot
dad before it come out, went really quiet. We heard
bubbling in the creek like it was almost like it
was boiling with the blah blah blooh. I don't know
there was a thing to do with it, but if
something's coming off the bottom of a creek, it's going
to put air bubbles in the mud. So I don't
know if they live, like if dog men or anything
like that live in water, or it was just around
the water and they come across, or they have their
dens near the water or whatever.
Speaker 2: I can't explain what happened that night, but I've got
a possibility that I want to put out there for you.
It just might explain what you witnessed. People claim to
have seen underwater caves that sasquatch you've made, and I
don't see why dogmen wouldn't be able to utilize them
as well. It might be looking at a situation where
it had access to a cave where it could travel
from one place to the other, and then it knows
about an opening someplace underwater so it can get into
the water, come up and appear like it just came
from the pond, from the water hole, like it's living
in the water hole, when in fact it just used
an underground cave to access the water. It walked up
out of the pond, because that's basically the exit it
was using for the cave system. And then for you guys,
it seemed like it just magically appeared out of the water.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's well. That the bunyapolt itself is really deep.
Like jumping off the top of the gum tree into
the creek, you weren't touching bottom.
Speaker 2: Are there any keeves in that area that you know.
Speaker 1: Of, Yeah, there's a few. There's a few up in
the bush there up in the hills. Well, no, nothing
like the massive, big long caves or I think there's
a few probably forty meters deep caves that I know of.
But in saying that again, it's that vast out there
and you wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a big area. How close would you see?
The closest keve is that you know of to the bunyipaw.
Speaker 1: Probably about eight hundred meters so quarter of them all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have to keep that close to the
Bundy Pool, wouldn't be surprised if one of the caverns
does lead underneath the water to the Bundy Pole. Yeah, yeah,
that would definitely explain it. Then you said that it
made the bubbling sound or you heard the bubbling sound
as it surfaced, and then also when you drilled it
with that bullet, how it roared at you. But in
between the time when you first saw it and when
you shot it, did it ever make any sounds that
you heard?
Speaker 1: Hello? Growl? Just the best waking spiners. We were fries
all and walked up on a ding guy one tolament
great us. It was just like a defensive you know
when you walk up and solid dog and a greyous
to let you know, don't come near me. Ollo. That
was the only noise it made before it roared.
Speaker 2: It was trying to get a point across, and yeah,
they're really good at doing that. This might seem like
a strange question, but did you ever see any spots
on it?
Speaker 1: Any spots like in the color?
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no, it was full black.
Speaker 2: It was full black. How about a men and a teal?
Did you see the one?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I didn't even take notes of its legs. I didn't.
I thought I was more noticing from here up around
the head. It was real bushy, like timing up with
his neck. I hate to sound like everyone else. I
hate to say like everyone else, but you know, like
a German shepherd, when a German shepherds got one and
it stands up in the her like its coats, real
thick up near his head, that's what it looked like.
I wouldn't say like a lion's mane where they got
the big thing around and come down. There was nothing
like that. It was just real puffy up near the head.
And then from about midway down its head so where
the ears so tell out the neck, it was very
up to there, and then you had the ears up here,
and then coming down was just short, per down to
like a snout.
Speaker 2: What position were its series in when you saw.
Speaker 1: It straight up? Just straight up? Oh?
Speaker 2: That did you know anything strange about it? Sears?
Speaker 1: They were pointing straight at us like it was listening
and taking note of everything we done.
Speaker 2: Would you compare them to German shepherd eers, dobrimmin ears
or something else.
Speaker 1: Romano's bullet hair? Yeah, so like a staffy.
Speaker 2: They had like a cropped luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a short just not real long, just short
and just hiring on whatever hearing I see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of eyewitnesses report seeing ears like that
on them, so that fits.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Let's get to some of the questions the listeners have
for you. The first one is from Monique, and her
question is was the water clear or murky?
Speaker 1: Murky? Just just a muddy water?
Speaker 2: Well that just makes it that much creepier. That does
looks like Andreas Carrizales is the next one. He wants
to know was the waterhole always different? Where did the
stories just start happening?
Speaker 1: Oh? What what do you what do you mean by that? Man?
Speaker 2: That makes two of us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the stories have always been around that section of
the river, that section of the creek. It's always been
around that area of the creek, so the cattle will
drink either end. I forgot to add in driving up
to it. But when we're driving up to it, you'll
get cow patties everywhere, like cattle tracks going through the
bush everywhere, kangaroo tracks everywhere. And the second you get
within a couple hundred meters of it, it all stops.
It's just grass, no cow poo or kangaroo poo or
anything like that. Just everything stops to git closer to it.
Speaker 2: Because they're all keeping away. That makes sense. Truth quest
wants to know, was this a bun yip where a
dog man? Well, apparently it's basically a nickname if they
have for an Australian dog man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So after hearing a few of Vick stories and
then I sort after hearing a few of Vig's episodes
and another cryptic podcast, I listened to There's another Guy
in Australia and he was the one that gave me
the reference between the bunyip and the dog man, because
if you look at the pictures of the dog man, ah,
the pictures of the bunyanp it looks very similar to
what a dog man would look like like. It looks
it's got a dog shaped heads and massive, big, musty body.
Speaker 2: Have you heard any stories about it actually attacking anyone?
Speaker 1: Nothing personal, nothing that I know, or someone being attacked,
but averaginal law is it takes women and children and
takes them to the bottom of the creek and drowns
them and all that sort of stuff. There is a
there is a song. I can't remember these things. It's
called the Bunyanp Hunter, and it's a story about an
old stockman being attacked and taken by a bunyanp.
Speaker 2: Not the kind of song that's going to give you
the warm and fuzzies.
Speaker 1: No, definitely, not when you bring chills up the spawn.
I just can't remember the name of it right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say it would. Well, that's okay, because I've
another question for you, and this one is from truth Iris.
They want to know what was the caliber of the ammunition?
I think you told us.
Speaker 1: Already two two three.
Speaker 2: Two two three. Wow. Yeah, encountering something that big, I'd
hate to only have a two two three in my hands.
But you guys weren't expecting to have to do that,
so that makes sense.
Speaker 1: No, it's big enough of pigs indeed, but that's a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get the job done with them. Not a
bunyip though. Looks like I've another question for you from
truth quest and he wants to know did it look
like it always stayed in water?
Speaker 1: Um? No, it didn't have gills. It looked it was Yeah, yeah,
it was very I didn't have gills, didn't have fish feet,
didn't have like duck cans or anything like that. It
looked like it was a bit of barth.
Speaker 2: A lot of the listeners are posting questions without putting
them in all caps. It's making me hard. It's making
it hard for me to not miss some of them.
So yeah, if you have a question for Sam, please
do you type it in all caps for me. This
next one up is from Disney Mom next thirty five,
and she wants to know when it stood up, did
you hear any popping or cracking sounds?
Speaker 1: No, nipopin n cracking. It was very, very smooth movements.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well they don't always make popping and cracking sounds
when they stand up, so yeah, that doesn't have to
always be the case. This next question is from Jay
Whitti's and they want to know. Of course, you told
us that you smelled that old hotel room smell after
you saw it, but they want to know, could you
smell anything before you saw the bun.
Speaker 1: Yep, no, just denied a smoke from the campfire and
that was it. And then once it went quiet, when
we saw smelling stuff. When that smell coming, it's just
like it wafted on the breeze.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must have smelled awfully bad. This next question
is from Vladimir Seysil I believe this is his last name.
He wants to know how can be a hole in water?
How can there be a hole in water? I think
is what he means without being flooded. Well, it's the
same principle as a trap, like a trap under your sink.
If you have a cave system where the entrance dips
down and then comes back up high enough, then yeah,
you can have a situation like that where there's a
pond there and the cave system doesn't flood. I don't
know what that area is like around the Bunya pole,
but these guys, I'm sure they can hold their breath
for a long time, So it just depends on how
far back that cave might be flooded away from the
Bunya pole, But it's definitely possible, it sure is. Were
you more strongly affected by that encounter? Sam or your friends.
Speaker 1: Whenever sparked to the girls again, my Mike Chris Hey,
I haven't seen him for years now, probably year after
that was a lost on a saurium. I don't even
know where he is anymore. Hey went on some rampage
on when he wanted to go to Fall. Every cryptid
and striving wanted to catch him. Improved there existed just like, yeah,
let's leave alone.
Speaker 2: You know what they say about curiosity and cats, So
I can understand you seeing that looks like Disney Mo.
Next thirty five is another question for you. She wants
to know did you think it was flesh and blood
or something supernatural?
Speaker 1: Man? We had a conversation without this in the printerview.
I don't know. I I'm in two minds on that.
I think it's both, to be honest, I think they're
from I think they're from a different realm, and I
think they come here and leave here and come and
go as they please. They can take us from our realm,
but we can't take them. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: You just might be right about that. Yeah. They do
so many things that are so hard to explain away conventionally,
so yeah, maybe they can do that. You just might
be right.
Speaker 1: There's something the size of that and the weapons that
had on it, like the claws, the teeth, eyes, the
sheer body mass of it. It should have torn us apart.
It should have caught the you. It should have well,
the old, the old highluk. Shoot, she didn't do more
th naty ks. Now she was a slow old beast.
It should have grabbed hold of us and tore me
out of that train and ripped me with limb to limb.
But it didn't. So I don't I don't know what
they are. Yes, yeah, but when that bullet hit it
hit it some.
Speaker 2: It was probably so surprise that you actually shot it. Yeah,
but it's hard to see on that. You never really know.
It looks like the next question is up from Pemma,
and she wants to know. Did it communicate with you telepathically?
Speaker 1: No? No, I've heard that. I've heard people say that
if you consider, well, if you consider feeling something, feeling
that you're in danger, feeling you are not welcome. I
guess you could say that's technically communicating telegone telepathically, but
apart from that, not really looks like.
Speaker 2: The next one up is from Jimmy Murray, and Jimmy
wants to know, did you ever see glowing eyes in
the dark or heard of this from others.
Speaker 1: At that situation at that time, or have I seen
lowne eyes in the past, Because I've seen lone eyes
in the past and that situation, it was weird. They
were real amber and they weren't glowing. It was like
a dull eye shine because of the full moon, but
like they were just like real yellowy, ambery eyes. And
then the second we hit it with the spotlight on
top of the ute, they lit up.
Speaker 2: Did its head look disproportionately large for its body or
did it just fit size wise?
Speaker 1: Fit size was pretty much like it was. It wasn't
what the head was so small or so big it was.
Everything looks like it was like a nervous like a newbis.
Speaker 2: I see. Well. This next one is up from Andres Carizalez,
and he wants to know did the old timers ever
just ignore or flat out dismiss the stories.
Speaker 1: I told the story from Old Thomas and Kao cockys
won't go there either, So kawkocky is the old old
cattle farmers. They won't go there. My grandfather he told
me about it, and he he was up me for
the rent for going there.
Speaker 2: You said they're called cal cockers.
Speaker 1: Kaw cockys, So I just just cattle farmers.
Speaker 2: Huh. That's a funny name for him. I've never heard
that before.
Speaker 1: I guess you'd call them ranches over there.
Speaker 2: We do, Yeah, we do. Truth, I just wants to
know what was your first thought when you saw it.
Speaker 1: My first thought was I saw it. Probably not. I
can't really say on here because it's not appropriate, but
it was if you pick up what I'm saying, that
was it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I understand. I get it. Looks like truth.
Quest wants to know. Also, so it's possible the dog
man has the den underwater tree root and it can
prey on what comes to drink.
Speaker 1: Could Well that's their crocodile's hunt, so I'm guessing so
might if they can hold their breath, Well, you look
at a hippopotamus. Hippopotamus can hold their breath, Yeah, like
a crocodile. Cap over just sort of comment comes to then, Yeah,
like a crocodile cave. Yeah, very much like you look
at the hippopotamus. How big their lungs are and how
people can hold their breath. This thing's a lot bigger
than us, but not as big as hippo. So I
reckon they can hold their breath for a very long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot longer than we can. You already touched
on this. I think you pretty much answered this, But
just to cover my bases in case he's asking in
a different way than I'm thinking, Fred, I'm sorry. Fried
Iceberg wants to know was the eye shine reflective or
do you feel it was emanating directly from its size?
He said that the moon made its eyes shine more,
I think, But do you think they were actually emanating?
Speaker 1: Wit or I couldn't tell him, mate that the hell
how the moon was at not how broad it was
in the sky. It could have been emanating from the eyes,
or it could have been showing off the moon. I
couldn't tell you, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Well, you do have so much on your mind. You're
doing good to know your own name, so you can't
be faulted for that. Andras Kirizalees wants to know. Was
the subject about the dog Man ever taboo to talk about.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Matte, I didn't even know about the dog Man
until about twelve months ago. First ever heard, the first
one I ever heard was on Tony Merkle and then
that's led me down a let me down a rabbit
hole and let me de Vic's shows. And that's when
I've really started hearing about dog Men.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes with that thing. I'm so glad you
found out about me and about the show. That's a
good thing. Pema has another question for you. She wants
to know do you have dreams about it or does
it basically leave you alone?
Speaker 1: Until I messaged Vic the other day about it to
bring my story out there, I hadn't really given it
much thought. After a message Vic about it is when
I really started remembering it and dreams of coming back.
And it's no longer dreams of that note, it's dreams
of me and my daughter out in the bush and
it coming out.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's not a good kind of dream to have.
Speaker 1: No knowing my terror of a daughter. She'll see and go.
Speaker 2: Oh, puppy, Yeah, hopefully not that wouldn't be good. The
next one on deck is from Moniqua, and she wants
to know did the girls ever snap out of their
trance that night and comment on what had just happened.
Speaker 1: They snapped out their trance when we were favored away
from there, over a few k's away, they'd snapped out,
And even the next day we got back to one
of their places, it a bit an air and a
half off from where the Buny poll itself is, and
she doesn't remember anything. She just reckoned. We just got scared,
she has, Oh, I had big tough boys. You got
scared of a little the noise, And we're like, no,
did you not see that? Did you not? You know what?
We don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, that's a strange way to try and deal
with the experience. Or yeah, maybe she didn't see it.
It's hard to believe that she didn't see it, considering
all that happened, but I guess it's possible. Fried Iceberg
wants to know any thoughts as to whether this is
an engineered hybrid or a natural evolutionary animal.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a long answer. I think both. I
think that there was something like my theory on them
that they are from another dimension, possibly Biblical, possibly from
the fallen angels, possibly from the Nephlin. Do I think
that there is governments in the world today that have
re engineered these and made something in the lab Do
that's basically gist there? It's they could be. There could
be a number of things. Mate. They I don't believe
they have always been engineered because there's too many stories
about them from the past. Myth don't become missed because
someone has a well imagination. Myths become missed because there's
something there to start the myth.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with everything you said. Yeah, a lot
of people try to explain this way. Is it being
a situation where all dog men were created in a laboratory,
But yeah, you consider all the order encounters that have
been documented. The first documented encounter with a dog man
stretches all the way back to eighteen eighty seven in
Wexford County, Michigan. You're going to tell me for those people,
Are you going to tell me that we're actually able
to create dog men in a test tube back then?
No way, we just didn't have the technology to do that.
But yeah, just like you said, I do believe today
present day, we've got dog men that have been around
from the beginning, and then you also have dog men
that were actually created in a test tube in a laboratory.
Speaker 1: So the stories when they actually attack people, I believe
they're the ones that were genetically engineered.
Speaker 2: You might be right. I'd be right about that. The
next one up is from truth Quest and they want
to know have you heard of the encounter on the
Barkley Range in Lisa's encounter in crumbin Valley.
Speaker 1: That's episode forty crumbin Valley. I haven't heard the episode,
but I have heard of stuff in crumbin Valley near
the Gold Coast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lisa was the eyewitness for episode forty where she
came on and talked about several encounters that she and
her family had had in the crumbin Valley. If you
haven't listened to it yet, i'd recommend you check it
out Episode forty.
Speaker 1: Oh write that on next week at work. But I'll
definitely go back if there's someone in the Queens End
region that's had them like the Crumb and crumbin Valley's
Gold Coast. I think because I've only I've moved to Brisbane,
the Brisbane area in the last twelve months. But if
there's someone in the Gold Coast area, I'd love to
get in contact with him and talk to him.
Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be surprised, It wouldn't surprise in the
least someone from that area is listening to your show
and does one actually contact Yeah, if anyone listening is
in that area who would like to speak with Sam,
then yeah, please shoot me an email. Please send the
message to contact at Dogmanencounters dot com. The next one
on deck is from Donna Huff and she wants to
know before his encounter, did Sam ever feel eerie when
he would go to the Bunyapol.
Speaker 1: No. So, the first one went there, we didn't actually
stop there. We drove past it. Second time I went there,
when we had the encounter during the day, there was
no eerie feelings. There was no no fee, there was nothing.
It was a really great time an en You're all
guys with a few girls with us and having a
really good time. We were feeling on top of the world.
We felt like we were invincible. A little bit of
showing off doing backflip off gum trees in the creek,
just being young young.
Speaker 2: Men, just having a good time until the bunyip showed up.
It looks like truth. Quest wants to know have you
told other people about it or do you worry about ridicule.
Speaker 1: I've told a few people's SAME's down. My grandfather told
me sitting here in the fall, drinking beers ghost stories,
telling them some people believe you, some people don't. My partner,
she's she blizing ghosts. Yeah he's, but I don't believe
in that because she's never seen it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was seeing us believing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's I said, just what. I'm happy you
don't believe him because I don't want you to see it.
Speaker 2: I've got a general question about dog men. I'm normally
not going to post questions like that. I want the
questions to be focused on the actual eye witness, but
I'll go and answer this one. This time. It's from
Lydia Surpa. She wants to know where are the big
slash strongest dog men located the north or the south.
You'll find that the bigger dog men that are seen
normally are up north. There are big ones that have
been seen down south, but normally the biggest ones are
up north and Sam, you can't have any snacks unless
I can have some too, so pass it over. Sorry
I couldn't help myself there. I'll be good from now on.
The next question up is from Andres Carrizales, and Andres
wants to know how open are people about the supernatural
in Australia.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess my Sime is over there. You got believers,
and you got nun believers, and you've got people that
were like me, and they're on the fence and a
lot my potter. If it's in front of you, they believe.
If it's not though, maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like I said before, seeing us believing in Australia,
it's really conservative. Please. I would think if you had
a cryptan encounter, that would have to be one of
the places where it would be most difficult to share
it openly with other people because of how conservative the
police is.
Speaker 1: Well, if you go to the Aboriginal Aboriginal people in Australia, yeah, well,
if you go to the elders or him of that,
every death in the Aboriginal Aboriginal culture is supernatural. They
don't believe anything. Girls like that. If you pass away,
it's because Featherfoot's touched you or something like that. So
it's the original. People are very superstitious and very supernatural believing.
But apart from that, a lot of people are just
you'll get the guys that are fall into it, and
you'll get the guys that are like, there's no way
that's possible, and then you get the guys in the
middle they just go maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it runs a gamut. To me,
it sounds wayde Truth has a great question. He wants
to know, did you notice any distortion of the area.
Speaker 1: Around it, around the bip.
Speaker 2: I think that's what he wants to know. No, No,
some of my witnesses report seeing that sort of an effect.
Most don't, but some do. And I apologize for that
noise in the background. I think my audio is feeding
back through your phone and playing back again or something
like that. Well let's see how it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sitting on the bench, so it could have been
echoing through that.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. And for anyone listening the podcast
versions of the show are always cleaned up. You're not
going to have any issues with audio problems like this.
So if the audio issues like this, when they happen,
bother You then highly recommend you just listen to the
podcast version on your favorite podcast platform. Moving on to
the next question. This one is from g Black Sheep
and they want to know what other kinds of cryptids
exist near you.
Speaker 1: Bunyip Yeah we I guess you could say the man
and feather foot. You've got the black cats of Australia,
You've got the Tasmanian. I define a cryptid like there's
stories on everything. There's stories on people seeing the scene,
which is the Australia Tasmanian tiger and the bush still
there's the main ones are drop. The main ones are
the the bunyip, the yaoi, the ya yamba, yamagari, which
is like a troll that looks like a frog. Just
descriptions of it, rainbow serpent, but that's mythological. I don't
do you call it cryptid. But yeah, there's a lot
of there's a lot out there.
Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, I didn't know, yeah that many
cryptis running around there, or supposedly running around. But Australia
is a big place. There's a lot of open area
for them to roam without being seen. So yeah, that
would fit hudras Carrizales wants to know, are there any
attacks like the LBL massacre legends or myths?
Speaker 1: No, so legends and myths, Yes, legends and myths. Definitely,
there's a lot of legends like the Three Sisters that
was there were these three girls being chased in the
Blue Mountains by Bunya brand the witch doctor turned him
into a mountains so that Bunya couldn't eat them. And
then just local stories onion coming out, never anyone being
attacked and ripped the pieces like that LBL story of
the family got taken in the camp. I think it was,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2: That's right, and the LBL lean between the leagues. That's
what's been said. It does make you wonder if it's happened.
There are some incredible people out there who claim that
it did, so it really does make you wonder.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the next thing about Australia is the bushy.
I live in suburbia in a Brisbane ips which so
just outside of Brisbane. If I go five minutes that way,
like five minutes west of my house, it's three hundred
k' is a dense spot three hundred square long. Was
a dense Australian bush people go missing here all the time,
saying they go missing over there.
Speaker 2: Like I said, perfect habitat.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know. And there's that many wild pigs dingoes everything.
Even if there was bits and pieces left over, they
wouldn't be after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say not Sam All, I'm a little confused
about something. You're still strongly affected by that encounter. But
what I can't wrap my head around is do you
still have trouble going out after dark by yourself, especially
being out in the bush by yourself after dark maybe?
Or are you at a point where you can do
that now without too much trouble.
Speaker 1: I'll still go out after dark. I'll make sure I
got a lot with me not walking around, mainly for
the snakes, but I'm very not on edge to the
point where the small snoil is going to make me
jump to the roof. I'll be very wary of my
surroundings and take note of what's going on. I won't
go out without either a bow or a rifle.
Speaker 2: If you are able to go out, how much time
had to pass before you actually could do that?
Speaker 1: Well? Hunting the weekend after Wow?
Speaker 2: Were you alone at the time when you went hunting,
or did you have people with.
Speaker 1: You had paper with me?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that would definitely help.
Speaker 1: Then I don't like solid hunting. I don't think it's
a smart idea because there's too much and go roll.
You can fall and twist your ankle. If you buy yourself,
you're a small injury can end in a laugh and
it could be life ending if you buy yourself.
Speaker 2: Yes, it could be not just there, but over here.
Happens to people here all the time. Also, so yeah,
it does happen. Well, seem I think it is. It's
going on noon Saturday, There isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's SMA quarter past known.
Speaker 2: Now quarter past noon. Okay, well we're gonna call it.
We're gonna wrap it up and get out of here.
But before we do that, you definitely close in comments
you'd like to share.
Speaker 1: Just if anyone has an experience, talk about it, don't
fall up, don't hide about it. If you message Vic,
he is very understanding and will go through it with you.
Just don't let a small thing control the rest of
your life. Understand the fact you saw it, you survived it,
you were Okay, I'm not saying that it's a good thing,
you know what I mean, Like it's you made through it.
Don't let the rest of your days be controlled by
one thing.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's really good advice. Yeah, it's traumatic in most
cases when you have a dog mean the counter, but
it really would be a shame to let an experience,
any experience, ruin the rest of your life. So yeah,
the advice you gave it couldn't be better. I'm really impressed.
Speaker 1: If you enjoy being out in the bush or hit
the pines or whatever it is you guys call it
over there, do it. Be smart about it. Don't make
unnecessary risk. If you have a feeling that you're being watched,
or you have a feeling that you're in danger, act
on that feeling. Don't just push past it or push
through who you end up as a full on one.
Speaker 2: It's always good to be cautious and take precautions, but
you still have to live your life. If you've had
an encounter andre having trouble coming to terms with it,
then of course don't put too much weight on a
young back. But eventually that goal should be to be
able to get back out and live life the way
you used to live. For that encounter and of course,
if you need help with an encounter and you haven't
spoken with me yet about it, then all I have
to do is just go to dogmanencounters dot com submit
a report, and if you do that then I'll be
more than happy to schedule a conversation with you on
the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Vick is very very accumminating well on complete
different time zones, and Vic worked around me to make
this work. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, you're welcome. Yeah. Talked to eyewitnesses at
all hours. You wouldn't believe. I've had conversations at two,
it went all the way up to like two or
three in the morning. I've had five hour conversations with eyewitnesses,
some in the morning, some in the day, some at night.
So yeah, I mean, I just try to stay flexible.
But having said that, Sam, thanks again so much for
coming on and sharing those experiences with us. I really
do appreciate it, and please remember, if you ever do
need more help from me, please let me know.
Speaker 1: I definitely will might any more if I have any
more experiences, I'll definitely let you know. I straight away.
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds good to me. You know, I'll be
there for you well, thanks again so much for your
time and have a great weekend.
Speaker 1: Toys you might, you two and everyone else di SI
ipe out there and have fun.
Speaker 2: Huh. Thanks, We'll see you well everyone. Like I said,
I can't thank you enough for tuning into the show
as always and listening. I really do appreciate you, and
like I've told you several times, you're never going to
know the difference you make in these eyewitnesses live and
for that, of course, I can't thank you enough. But
having said that, thanks again so much and have a
great night.