Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
Speaker 1: a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
Speaker 1: thirty one.
Speaker 2: Do you wish to report a UFO over, Hey, we
Speaker 2: want to one.
Speaker 1: Of those areas thirty one.
Speaker 2: Do you wish to find a report of any kind
Speaker 2: of it?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.
Speaker 3: Areas thirty one me neither.
Speaker 2: There were seven one golf.
Speaker 4: If it was anybody as above us to pass us,
Speaker 4: like thirty seconds ago.
Speaker 3: We were sending one of golf negative.
Speaker 2: Okay, OFFI the UFO.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's murder. Ten o'clock.
Speaker 5: Yes, if you passed over, I got I don't know
Speaker 5: what it was.
Speaker 6: But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us.
Speaker 1: See, I passed out over the thought of us. Ninety
Speaker 1: one one.
Speaker 5: You just called both to be be fours.
Speaker 1: They're after staying the airplanes? Hey, is I to god
Speaker 1: on an unidentified object? Every liberty four call or calm
Speaker 1: on an unidentified flying object?
Speaker 2: All right, we'll look it on.
Speaker 7: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 7: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Here we are
Speaker 3: on the last day of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: What a year.
Speaker 4: It's been.
Speaker 3: Well done you all for making it this far. I
Speaker 3: won't be expecting twenty twenty four to walk in the
Speaker 3: park either. But in the words of Ralph Wildo Emerson,
Speaker 3: it's not the destination, it's the journey. I'm Nick Hunter
Speaker 3: and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Our last guest
Speaker 3: of the year is Deborah in Idaho, and she would
Speaker 3: be sharing some of her UFO science and paranormal encounters
Speaker 3: that have happened.
Speaker 2: Over the last few years. Deborah is up mixed. But first,
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Speaker 2: with the show. Hello, welcome to the podcast. Him next,
Speaker 2: it is wonderful to have you with us today and
Speaker 2: you're calling from Idaho.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am northern Idaho, right along the Canadian border
Speaker 1: and the Montana border.
Speaker 6: Oh lovely, so you're right up there on that small
Speaker 6: strip of Idaho.
Speaker 1: Yes, Moye Springs.
Speaker 6: Okay, now, Deborah, you come here to share your experiences.
Speaker 6: Would you like to start at the beginning, please.
Speaker 1: Ma'am, yes, thank you for having me. Next. My experiences
Speaker 1: begin in twenty sixteen. I think it began actually when
Speaker 1: I was born or soon after, but nothing really coalesced
Speaker 1: for being until twenty sixteen. When I started, I had
Speaker 1: my first sighting of a craft, and then I just
Speaker 1: have continued to have that see different crafts throughout the
Speaker 1: last seven years or so. Up until twenty sixteen, it
Speaker 1: was very busy raising my children. I was going to school,
Speaker 1: My sister was in medical school, and she had children
Speaker 1: at home that I was helping her with. Our husbands
Speaker 1: worked out of state. They were both did construction, and
Speaker 1: so we were just kind of on our own raising kids,
Speaker 1: going to school, and life was just a marathon at
Speaker 1: that point. And by the time I got to twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen April of twenty sixteen, I had my last board
Speaker 1: exam and my nose had just been stuck in a
Speaker 1: book forever, and once that board exam was over, it
Speaker 1: was like I was just kind of on my own
Speaker 1: little sabbatical. I could breathe a little bit. I had
Speaker 1: removed some really big things from my place that was
Speaker 1: just had become almost too much for me. So it
Speaker 1: was kind of an odd time. Everything was kind of
Speaker 1: settled down and slowed down. And I think I may
Speaker 1: have already said that we were living in living in
Speaker 1: Oregon at the time. We had just moved there. We
Speaker 1: didn't intend to be there very long. We were kind
Speaker 1: of in between spots, but we had been living in
Speaker 1: Oregon for a while. We'd lived in mcmnfield and also
Speaker 1: Salem when I first had When I had this first
Speaker 1: sighting in twenty sixteen, it was the daytime sighting and
Speaker 1: I got up, kept in the morning, took care of
Speaker 1: my animals. I began my morning routine, which was let
Speaker 1: my animals out that were going out and feeding the ones,
Speaker 1: feeding everybody, making my coffee, and it was just kind
Speaker 1: of a regular morning like that. I had one daughter
Speaker 1: at home at the time, and she was up. She
Speaker 1: was on the phone visiting with a family member, and
Speaker 1: it was everything. My coffee was finished, my chores were done,
Speaker 1: and so I had picked up my coffee and was
Speaker 1: going outside and the back patio smoke a cigarette and
Speaker 1: have my morning coffee, and I sat down at the back.
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day in April. The flowers were
Speaker 1: bloomed out, the trees were bloomed out. There was a
Speaker 1: few little puppy clouds in the sky, and I was
Speaker 1: just very relaxed and just happy not to be sticking
Speaker 1: any more information into my head and really enjoying my
Speaker 1: time right then. And as I'm sitting there looking up
Speaker 1: into the sky, there's this one little puppy cloud that
Speaker 1: is just directly in front of me. This I think
Speaker 1: I said that my bored exam was in April, and
Speaker 1: this was in April, but this was I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if this was at the end of April or in May.
Speaker 1: I don't have a date for this one. It was
Speaker 1: just very nice out at that time. And as I'm
Speaker 1: looking up at the sky, I see a flying saucer
Speaker 1: come out from this cloud and it looks like your
Speaker 1: classic little flying saucer. There's a picture of one that
Speaker 1: was taken in Macmnsville, Oregon, years and years ago. I
Speaker 1: don't have the date right now. I would want to
Speaker 1: say it was the fifties, that I could be wrong
Speaker 1: forties or fifties, and it looked very, very similar to
Speaker 1: this UFOs that was in the picture and others that
Speaker 1: I've seen that it just came out from this little
Speaker 1: cloud and just stopped right there in front of me.
Speaker 1: When I saw it, I was just really excited and delighted,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was just the funniest thing that
Speaker 1: I was seeing a flying saucer right then. I remember
Speaker 1: sitting there and just kind of giggling and thinking how
Speaker 1: funny this was, and not believing that it was alien craft.
Speaker 1: As far as I was concerned. What I was looking
Speaker 1: at was government craft, and that I was just having
Speaker 1: some kind of a funny little trick being played on
Speaker 1: me and the rest of the people that live there
Speaker 1: in that area. Because I'm thinking, you know, other people
Speaker 1: are saying this, it's not up that high, and it's
Speaker 1: definitely a flying saucer, So I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 1: I think I have a funny response to it because
Speaker 1: I have no interest in going in the house and
Speaker 1: telling my daughter I don't think about it. I don't
Speaker 1: think about going and getting my phone, taking a picture.
Speaker 1: I'm just simply enjoying my coffee and my cigarette and
Speaker 1: enjoying looking at this flying saucer that's setting up there
Speaker 1: in the air in front of me. It's a really
Speaker 1: dark gray, it's not black. It's like a gun metal grave.
Speaker 1: It has bubble on top of it, like the classic UFOs.
Speaker 1: The inverted bow of the top part is slightly deeper
Speaker 1: than the bottom of it. The bottom of it is shallower.
Speaker 1: It has rings that look like it's going around the
Speaker 1: edges of it, but that's the only markings on it
Speaker 1: that I can see. These just look like little grooves
Speaker 1: that stap around the edges of it. Has the big
Speaker 1: bubble on top, and there's no windows. I don't see
Speaker 1: anything looking out. There's no movement, not going anywhere up
Speaker 1: or down, sideways. Nothing. And so I finished my cigarette,
Speaker 1: my coffee, and nothing has happened. It's still just setting
Speaker 1: up there in the sky. And I go back into
Speaker 1: the house. I'm like, well, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know why I didn't respond any differently to this thing
Speaker 1: or think about it any differently, But I will go
Speaker 1: back inside and I start just doing a few more
Speaker 1: chores around the house. I put some laundry away, and
Speaker 1: I don't tell my daughter anything about it. I still
Speaker 1: don't go get my phone, but I can't get this
Speaker 1: thing out of my mind. And so approximately thirty or
Speaker 1: forty minutes to go by, maybe a little bit longer,
Speaker 1: and I'm still thinking about this thing. So like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm I can't get this thing out of
Speaker 1: my mind, and I've decided I'm going to go back
Speaker 1: out there and see if it's still out there. So
Speaker 1: I go and get another cup of coffee, get my cigarettes.
Speaker 1: I walk back outside, and as soon as I can
Speaker 1: get to where I can look and see if it's
Speaker 1: still there, I look. I haven't sit down yet, and
Speaker 1: it's not there any longer. Really disappointed, my god, I
Speaker 1: really should have come out sooner and checked this out.
Speaker 1: I'm already out there with my coffee again, and so
Speaker 1: I sat down and I light a cigarette, looking up
Speaker 1: at this little puppy cloud. The same little puppy cloud
Speaker 1: is still there. It hasn't moved or gone anywhere. And
Speaker 1: as I'm watching it, the flying Sauca comes back out
Speaker 1: of this cloud, and there it is in front of
Speaker 1: me again. And as soon as it does, I'm just
Speaker 1: completely overwhelmed with this feeling of deja vous, and it's
Speaker 1: really unsettling. It's like, wow, you know, it was this
Speaker 1: thing waiting for me. I don't know. It was very odd,
Speaker 1: and I didn't really have a whole lot of time
Speaker 1: to dwell on this feeling I was having that was
Speaker 1: a little bit spooky. I almost immediately had a feeling
Speaker 1: that there was someone that was there with me, was
Speaker 1: very very close, like just in my face. Just a
Speaker 1: feeling of really extreme fear came old for me, and
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, deav just moves slow, act normal, pretend
Speaker 1: like you don't feel anything that's going on the presence
Speaker 1: that you're feeling that's there. And so I put my
Speaker 1: cigarette out and I picked up my coffee, and I
Speaker 1: tried to walk as normally as possible back inside, and
Speaker 1: I closed the sliding door and threw the drapes, and
Speaker 1: I did not go back outside to the back of
Speaker 1: the house again that day. If I went back out
Speaker 1: at all, I went to the front. It was just
Speaker 1: this very strange, unsettling experience. I never told anyone about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to any of my children about it,
Speaker 1: which typically they hear all strange things from me that
Speaker 1: I just thought, No, they're never going to believe me.
Speaker 1: They're just going to think, well, mom's moms think she
Speaker 1: saw flying sausa. So that was my first experience. My
Speaker 1: second experience happened approximately a year later in an area
Speaker 1: between Chenie and Tyler, Washington, and we had moved there.
Speaker 1: My daughter was accepted into the university there. I was
Speaker 1: trying to get closer to Idaho, where I'm from and
Speaker 1: moving that directction, so I was happy to move there.
Speaker 1: We ended up renting a little place between Tyler and Cheenie, Washington,
Speaker 1: which is outside of Spokane, Washington. It was on a
Speaker 1: very large ranch and there were three other places around
Speaker 1: me to behind me and one off to the right.
Speaker 1: That was basically it. It was very much in the country
Speaker 1: and the close and accessible to the things that we needed.
Speaker 1: This Spokane International Airport was maybe twenty twenty five minutes away.
Speaker 1: There's an air Force base that is not too terribly
Speaker 1: far away that area. The country there where I had
Speaker 1: this sighting is known as the Polues. It has kind
Speaker 1: of rolling hills that go up and down, and most
Speaker 1: of it is planted with different crops that's raised there
Speaker 1: and the rest of it, there's a lot of ranch land,
Speaker 1: and the area we were living was a ranch, and
Speaker 1: it was the place that the home I was in
Speaker 1: was sitting on the top of one of these rises
Speaker 1: of the rising hills, and so it kind of gave
Speaker 1: a view of everything. It dropped down in the front
Speaker 1: of me where I would go out and sit in
Speaker 1: the mornings. There was a little port and there was
Speaker 1: an area of land that just kind of dropped down
Speaker 1: and was marshy, and then it was rolled back up
Speaker 1: into together different parts of the out west where I
Speaker 1: could see there was no other buildings around. On the
Speaker 1: morning that I had the second sighting, it was it
Speaker 1: started off just like any of my other mornings there.
Speaker 1: I got up and I let my animals out, and
Speaker 1: I walked outside, and it was just this really overwhelming day.
Speaker 1: It was like I walked into some different type of world.
Speaker 1: Everything was just crystal clear, and the colors were just
Speaker 1: unbelievably vibrant, and everything was magnified. It felt like it
Speaker 1: felt like all of my senses had been just turned up.
Speaker 1: It was a dial. It was like it was turned
Speaker 1: all the way as far as it would And I
Speaker 1: remember saying, remember thinking when I walked out there, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is this is a rare day. I've felt this before.
Speaker 1: It's something that I've felt maybe once, maybe twice in
Speaker 1: my life, but that's it. I've had this filling before.
Speaker 1: I've felt like this before. There was just this filling,
Speaker 1: a bliss and expectation of something really wonderful, like I
Speaker 1: was getting ready to spend time with my family do
Speaker 1: something fun. It was just overwhelming, and I had a
Speaker 1: tough time dragging myself back inside to do all of
Speaker 1: my chores that I had to do that morning, and
Speaker 1: some of the animals had gone out, and I had
Speaker 1: made I made my coffee. But usually if I make
Speaker 1: my coffee, by the time I'm finished with all of
Speaker 1: my chores, my coffee is done and then I can
Speaker 1: go outside and sit down. And I kind of had
Speaker 1: the same thing going on this summer. We had moved,
Speaker 1: We'd have a number of things going on. My daughter
Speaker 1: was away house sitting, my other daughter was still at
Speaker 1: college in Oregon, and so I was home by myself
Speaker 1: and just relaxing. No longer in a marathon, but just
Speaker 1: some little sprints now. So when this morning rolled around,
Speaker 1: it was it was just a nice relaxing morning, and
Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to just enjoying my day.
Speaker 1: So I went back inside and I started brushing around
Speaker 1: doing my chores, and my coffee was making, and because
Speaker 1: I had hurried through my chores so fast, my coffee
Speaker 1: wasn't done when it by the time I got done,
Speaker 1: and I remember remember mentally just trying to hurry my
Speaker 1: coffee up so that I could go outside and have
Speaker 1: my coffee. Anyway, I went outside and my coffee was
Speaker 1: finally done. I went outside and I sit down on
Speaker 1: this little porch that faces directly west, and I'm just
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with the day. And I remember thinking, God, if
Speaker 1: every single day was like this, it would be just
Speaker 1: heaven on earth. It was just so incredible. There was
Speaker 1: such an overwhelming feeling of perfectness, and it was like
Speaker 1: everything wonderful in your life was just rolled into this
Speaker 1: giant ball of bliss. I can't really describe it. It
Speaker 1: was just such a big feeling, and I really didn't
Speaker 1: question it except that it was something that I knew
Speaker 1: I had experienced before that it was very rare. And
Speaker 1: as I'm setting outside facing where a beautiful, beautiful day,
Speaker 1: no clouds anywhere, the sky is such a deep blue.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can look forever and ever up
Speaker 1: into the sky and just see for a long ways
Speaker 1: everything is just perfect. And as I'm sitting there enjoying
Speaker 1: this day, a little filled mouse runs out in the
Speaker 1: area in front of me, and one of my cats
Speaker 1: goes after it, and I'm just distracted for a second,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, nothing can die today. This little fillm
Speaker 1: mouse cannot be caught, and so I'm making sure that
Speaker 1: the little mouse is position in a way that he's
Speaker 1: not going to be caught. He goes under a wood pile.
Speaker 1: But I'm distracted at that point, and I'm not looking
Speaker 1: up at the sky. I'm not looking out sky in
Speaker 1: the countryside. I'm looking down at the cats in the mouse.
Speaker 1: And just in the few seconds that I'm distracted by
Speaker 1: the mouse was all it took for this craft to
Speaker 1: show up. And when I looked up, there was this
Speaker 1: massively huge craft in front of me, and it was
Speaker 1: so big that I could feel my mouth all open
Speaker 1: and i could feel my eyes just kind of pop
Speaker 1: out of my head. It was so gigantic. It stretched
Speaker 1: off to the right, and one end of it was
Speaker 1: directly in front of me, looking straight west, but the
Speaker 1: rest of this thing stretched off to my right going north.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how big it was. I've gone
Speaker 1: over this in my mind on the size, but the
Speaker 1: size was it was too much for my mind. The
Speaker 1: only thing I could think, and it sounds odd, but
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think was that is the
Speaker 1: biggest airplane they have ever made. And I was just
Speaker 1: stuck with that thought in my head. I could not
Speaker 1: move anywhere beyond that thought. That my mind froze there.
Speaker 1: It was so big that you could you could have
Speaker 1: taken very large passenger jets or just stacked them in
Speaker 1: this thing like match sticks. It would have held thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of jets. I don't know how something, I
Speaker 1: don't know how big something has to be to do that.
Speaker 1: But it was very big, and I could only see
Speaker 1: like I could see the other end of it peripherally
Speaker 1: out of my peripheral vision that it was. It was
Speaker 1: big enough that I couldn't concentrate rate on the entire
Speaker 1: craft all at once. I had to kind of look
Speaker 1: at it in sections. Almost I could see the whole thing.
Speaker 1: That the park that was the nearest to me directly
Speaker 1: in front is what I could was really focusing on.
Speaker 1: It did not have any wings or tail fins, didn't
Speaker 1: have any markings windows. Remember staring at the cone part
Speaker 1: knows at the end of it and thinking, that's where
Speaker 1: the pilot's supposed to be setting. I should be able
Speaker 1: to see a pilot. This thing was gigantic, and it
Speaker 1: took a long time from my mind to get to
Speaker 1: the point where I could think about something besides the
Speaker 1: size of it and where the pilot should be setting.
Speaker 1: I had to just overcome the size first, and once
Speaker 1: I got to that, once I was able to comprehend
Speaker 1: the size of this things and I was able to
Speaker 1: start thinking about the fact that it wasn't moving, because
Speaker 1: I hadn't noticed that yet. My mind had not taken
Speaker 1: that part in. It was like too much to begin with,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't moving. It wasn't making any noise at all.
Speaker 1: It was white. It looked like if you was to
Speaker 1: take two passenger airplanes and cut them in half, and
Speaker 1: then just take the two noses and stick them together,
Speaker 1: make sure that there's no appendages anywhere, just this thing
Speaker 1: and make it really really big. That's what it looked like.
Speaker 1: No markings, no place for anyone to look out, just
Speaker 1: this really really giant long thing in the sky, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't up that high. It was just a little
Speaker 1: ways above the trees. So anyway, I don't know how
Speaker 1: long I sat there, just trying to take the this
Speaker 1: thing in a while, and then I started thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: I really need to get a picture of this. I
Speaker 1: would like to get a picture of this, and because
Speaker 1: otherwise no one's going to believe me. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know what I was looking at. I'm still kind of
Speaker 1: stuck in the airplane mode because I've never really my
Speaker 1: mind hasn't been able to break through the ice that
Speaker 1: this is alien craft. I am still stuck with this
Speaker 1: is the largest airplane they have ever made, even though
Speaker 1: it's not moving, it's not making any noise, and it
Speaker 1: has nothing sticking out on it, and it's way too
Speaker 1: big for an airplane that I'm thinking, I need to
Speaker 1: go in and get my phone, But I know I
Speaker 1: can't go in and get my phone because it had
Speaker 1: shown up so quickly. When I looked down at the
Speaker 1: mouse and the cat, my attention was averted only for
Speaker 1: a few seconds, and I knew that as soon as
Speaker 1: I turned my back on this thing, that there was
Speaker 1: a very good chance it was just going to be gone.
Speaker 1: I did not want to take that chance, and so
Speaker 1: I just was like I was settled in there. It
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm not moving. I am not moving
Speaker 1: until I see this thing leave. I am going to
Speaker 1: see this thing leave. Somehow it got here, it showed up,
Speaker 1: it got to leave. And as I'm having this thought.
Speaker 5: There's a flash of light on the very very top
Speaker 5: and center of it, and I'm thinking, oh, this is
Speaker 5: like a sparkle.
Speaker 1: Off of chrome off of a car. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what it looks like that there's nothing moving, that the
Speaker 1: craft didn't move. The center's coming up. It's about by
Speaker 1: this time, it's maybe ten o'clock in the morning. And
Speaker 1: now everything that I'm going to tell you happened really
Speaker 1: really fast. The first part of this story, it kind
Speaker 1: of is just a stretched out, weird story with how
Speaker 1: I felt and then this thing showing up. But this
Speaker 1: second part, it happened very quickly. There was a flash
Speaker 1: light on the top of it, and then as soon
Speaker 1: as there's a flash of light, the end of the
Speaker 1: craft that's right directly in front of me develops this
Speaker 1: fuzzy energy line type thing along the end of it.
Speaker 1: It runs from the top of the craft to the
Speaker 1: bottom of the craft. But as soon as it's made,
Speaker 1: this fuzzy energy line starts rushing towards the center of
Speaker 1: the craft. And the same thing is happening at the
Speaker 1: other end of this craft. And there's two fuzzy bars
Speaker 1: of energy like the heat wave you would see over
Speaker 1: the top of a highway. It looks like some kind
Speaker 1: of energy line. And as these two bars of energy
Speaker 1: that's the exit exact height of the craft and depth,
Speaker 1: are rushing towards each other, the craft itself is disappearing.
Speaker 1: As this fuzzy line passed over the craft, the craft
Speaker 1: is no longer there. And my mind is I did
Speaker 1: not know a mind could scream, but my mind just screams,
Speaker 1: it's shrinking itself. That's the only thing I could think.
Speaker 1: It is shrinking itself. These two bars of energy they
Speaker 1: slam together. There's no sounds that I can see that.
Speaker 1: They're just rushing at each other at a tremendous speed
Speaker 1: right in the center of the craft, right for that
Speaker 1: flash of light had been at the top. That's where
Speaker 1: these two bars of energy are going to meet. And
Speaker 1: they meet and as they meet. Now the craft is
Speaker 1: completely gone. As soon as they meet, they become a
Speaker 1: ball of light. And now this ball of light is
Speaker 1: sitting down lower because this craft was really big. So
Speaker 1: now this ball of light, it looks to me like
Speaker 1: it's now below the tree line, and it's big, and
Speaker 1: it's further down. Now. I'm looking off to my right
Speaker 1: because when this craft trunk itself changed itself, I had
Speaker 1: to look in that direction of that fuzzy bar of
Speaker 1: light ran in that direction along the side of the
Speaker 1: craft that I'm looking at. I can see this ball
Speaker 1: of light down there. Soon as it becomes a ball
Speaker 1: of light, it takes off at a tremendous speed south.
Speaker 1: It goes me. It goes a long ways, maybe a
Speaker 1: mile or two, I'm not sure. I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: far I can see, maybe a mile. It goes for
Speaker 1: a long ways and then it just shoots straight into
Speaker 1: the air. And this is such an amazing day. It's
Speaker 1: like I said, everything is magnified. The sky is just
Speaker 1: this deep, deep blue, and this ball of light just
Speaker 1: shoots straight up into the sky and I can see
Speaker 1: it for a long time. At this point, I'm standing
Speaker 1: up on the porch and I'm looking up the sky
Speaker 1: and it's just a teeny tiny pinprick of light up there,
Speaker 1: and then it's gone. And that was my second experience.
Speaker 1: And as soon as it was finished, I was just like,
Speaker 1: no one is ever going to belave me. They will
Speaker 1: never belave me. That was just true.
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Speaker 1: Then I moved again. This time I moved where I'm
Speaker 1: at right now. I moved to Moye spring I was
Speaker 1: here for I moved here at the end of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and it was the end of twenty nineteen, so nearly
Speaker 1: two years went by, approximately two years before I had
Speaker 1: my third siding. My third sighting was here at Moye
Speaker 1: Springs on this December seventeenth of twenty nineteen. Siding I
Speaker 1: just spoke of was July twenty fourth of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: That second sighting I just spoke of. One of the
Speaker 1: things I forgot to mention is soon after that sighting
Speaker 1: took place, I told myself, I have to get a
Speaker 1: picture of an airplane or something right Therefore, I saw
Speaker 1: that I wanted to know exactly where I saw that
Speaker 1: craft stationed in the sky at that time, and I
Speaker 1: figured the only thing I could do to kind of
Speaker 1: keep that firm in my mind was to take a
Speaker 1: picture of an airplane there. And because the air force
Speaker 1: base and the airport was so close it was, I
Speaker 1: figured it would be simple enough to do that. And
Speaker 1: it took a little bit of time, maybe an hour
Speaker 1: hour or so. I took picture of a jet airplane
Speaker 1: that was right there. And it was really disturbing to
Speaker 1: look that picture after I took it, because it was
Speaker 1: so tiny. It was like looking at just a teeny
Speaker 1: tiny little thing compared to what I had been looking at.
Speaker 1: It was unsettling. I had two other things that happened
Speaker 1: there at that place before I move on to where
Speaker 1: I'm at now in Idaho. My oldest daughter woke up
Speaker 1: at one point and in the morning and she came
Speaker 1: out she's mom. Looked at my stomach, and on her
Speaker 1: stomach and just up over the edge of her rib
Speaker 1: cage was a full handprint that was a bruise. If
Speaker 1: I was to put my hand and just set my
Speaker 1: hand on her, it was like if you was to
Speaker 1: leave an entire handprint on her. It's very odd. I
Speaker 1: didn't like it that. I didn't really want to say anything.
Speaker 1: I definitely did not want to mention aliens and no
Speaker 1: contrust real beings or anything like that really get her
Speaker 1: freak out. So I just kind of we just blew
Speaker 1: it off as she hurt herself in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. As one of the stories we can tell ourselves.
Speaker 1: I guess that at that time that's what we were
Speaker 1: going with. Another night there, I woke up in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night and my room was fully lit
Speaker 1: it there was some kind of a light outside. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: is this the moon? Because this is like about the
Speaker 1: brightest I've ever seen in my room. And I was
Speaker 1: a little freaked out and spooked, and I refused to
Speaker 1: get out of bed and looked so kind of buried
Speaker 1: myself back in there and went back to sleep. But
Speaker 1: that was a weird feeling, and the room was way
Speaker 1: too bright to be like even a full moon. It
Speaker 1: was just very, very bright, and the wind as a
Speaker 1: curtains were drawn. So anyway, I moved to Moye Springs
Speaker 1: and I'm now living there. It is December of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and I'm taking my dog out just before I go
Speaker 1: to bed, and I go outside, and by this time
Speaker 1: I've been doing some research on UFOs, and I've come
Speaker 1: across your show and I'm thinking about talking to you
Speaker 1: about this second experience that I've had, because it was
Speaker 1: it just upended everything that I believed about this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had kind of believed about that there
Speaker 1: was something probably that I had not given it a
Speaker 1: whole up thought. Anyway, when I went out, I had
Speaker 1: been listening to a little more information on it and
Speaker 1: was doing some research and not really expecting to see
Speaker 1: anything else. And I went outside, walked towards the front
Speaker 1: of where I'm living, and up in the sky were
Speaker 1: two red orange balls just floating up there. And I
Speaker 1: got the oddest sense of like, hey, guess what, we're
Speaker 1: here too. And I was so shocked this time I
Speaker 1: did not even hesitate. My phone was in the house,
Speaker 1: it was plugged in that I'm like, nope, I'm getting
Speaker 1: in my phone. This is too much. I'm going to
Speaker 1: get a picture of this. So I went running back
Speaker 1: in the house, yelled at my daughter. She happened to
Speaker 1: be home, my youngest daughter, and I said go outside
Speaker 1: and with in the sky. I didn't want to tell
Speaker 1: her what to look for because I was afraid she'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh mom, So I went and grabbed my phone.
Speaker 1: She ran outside, and there's these two red orange balls
Speaker 1: floating up and down. As we get out there, one
Speaker 1: of them begins to disappear and it just completely disappears.
Speaker 1: The other one remains, and it's just kind of rising
Speaker 1: up and then dropping down. It's not going sideways, and
Speaker 1: it looks like a weird energy ball. It's kind of
Speaker 1: pulp stating. And so I start videotaping and my daughter
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, Mom, can is this cold? Can I
Speaker 1: go inside? And it is cold, it's winter time, and
Speaker 1: there's no one ground. She really doesn't want to stand
Speaker 1: out there and look at this red orange ball in
Speaker 1: the sky. And so I'm like, yes, go ahead, go
Speaker 1: ahead and go inside. I know you don't want to
Speaker 1: be out here. And I just continued to videotape a
Speaker 1: little bit. I tried to. It was really hard to
Speaker 1: try to get a good clear picture, and I tried
Speaker 1: to like zoom in slowly and getting as clear as possible.
Speaker 1: And I did take a couple of videotapes and I finished,
Speaker 1: and when I went to the house, that red orange
Speaker 1: ball was still floating up and down in the sky.
Speaker 1: And I didn't go back out to check and see
Speaker 1: if it was still there or not. It was kind
Speaker 1: of interesting the responses that we that I had to
Speaker 1: this step. However, it makes me wonder why even I've
Speaker 1: had some apathy to it. But my thought was after
Speaker 1: seeing this, was I have got contact NIX because this
Speaker 1: step is just these things are really starting to pile
Speaker 1: up on me. And I was shocked to have this
Speaker 1: good siding. Approximately two weeks later, fifteen minutes after midnight
Speaker 1: on twenty twenty, my daughter and I had stayed up
Speaker 1: to welcome into New Year, and she had gone to bed.
Speaker 1: I was taking my dog out one more time. Where
Speaker 1: I went to bed, there was still a couple of
Speaker 1: fireworks going off, and I look over towards this mountain
Speaker 1: range that's a part of the Rocky mountains here that
Speaker 1: I can see facing south and hanging over the top
Speaker 1: of this mountain range of three red orange balls, just
Speaker 1: like what I had seen two weeks prior on the
Speaker 1: seventeenth of September. And so I go back inside and
Speaker 1: once again I get the same feeling of hey, we're
Speaker 1: here observing, just checking out the place. And I go
Speaker 1: outside and I start videotaping one of them. Disappears. Another
Speaker 1: one is there for a while, and then pretty student,
Speaker 1: there's just two of them are visible for a while,
Speaker 1: but then one of the second ones becomes dimmer and lower,
Speaker 1: and then there's just the one remaining up there. But
Speaker 1: it stays there, and I do videotape for a bit
Speaker 1: and I try to get the best picture I can,
Speaker 1: but it is difficult. You can still see it there,
Speaker 1: and then that is my four sighting. My fifth siding
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting because this was my fifth side.
Speaker 1: But since I've seen it, I've now seen it three
Speaker 1: other times, and I've taken pictures each time. This happened
Speaker 1: May whenning twenty meeting, sometime after the Red Orange Balls.
Speaker 1: I have a picture, so it's timestamps that I don't
Speaker 1: have it in front of me right now. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: walk outside once again. It was in the evening, and
Speaker 1: here coming towards me from the west is this swing
Speaker 1: of light that is just absolutely beautiful, and I'm my
Speaker 1: first thought is this looks like a spring of pearls,
Speaker 1: and it's just incredible, and I'm just awed by it.
Speaker 1: And as it's crossing over the top of me, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to run in and get my camera that I
Speaker 1: had just plugged my phone in it was almost dead,
Speaker 1: and this thing now has passed over the top of
Speaker 1: my home. So I'm running out the other side and
Speaker 1: I finally get just one quick picture of it before
Speaker 1: it's gone, and I'm just amazed at what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I've seen a fifth raft after all
Speaker 1: of this. So I go inside and I start looking
Speaker 1: up Spring the Pearls because that's what I just saw. Now.
Speaker 1: The oddest thing with all of these sightings that I've
Speaker 1: had experiences is they all seem to come with some
Speaker 1: type of an emotional response, and then there's all kinds
Speaker 1: of synchronicities that come along with it. And so I
Speaker 1: looked up to Spring the Pearls and it's like, supposedly Starlink.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, I was a little bit disappointed,
Speaker 1: but not really buying it completely because of how I
Speaker 1: felt whenever I saw this thing. It was just so
Speaker 1: incredibly beautiful. And it was just not long after that
Speaker 1: I was listening to Jane's from the A Steady Ranch
Speaker 1: talk about Starlink and he made the comment that Darlink
Speaker 1: was the new swamp Gap or today, and I thought
Speaker 1: that's interesting and maybe makes a little sense. Maybe starlink
Speaker 1: was made to counterdictie Contradictee's rumors. Well, well, I guess,
Speaker 1: but not rumors, because people are seeing starlink or swings
Speaker 1: the pearls all over the place. But I think, I
Speaker 1: think it's possibility that maybe these springs of pearls is
Speaker 1: something that the government couldn't hide, knew that they couldn't hide.
Speaker 1: Maybe starling was developed so that there was an excuse
Speaker 1: to have these big strings of light follow the sky.
Speaker 1: I don't know either way. I had another weird experience,
Speaker 1: well exactly a year to the day and one day later,
Speaker 1: and I was on the phone with my oldest son
Speaker 1: and we were having a really good discussion about this
Speaker 1: sort of thing. And I don't know if I was
Speaker 1: still on the phone with him or if I had
Speaker 1: gotten off the phone at that point that I was
Speaker 1: still thinking about the subject. And I pulled up my
Speaker 1: photo of the spring of pearls and I'm looking at it,
Speaker 1: and I look at the date on it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this was like exactly one year and
Speaker 1: one day right now. And so I go to my
Speaker 1: window and I look out my window, and there is
Speaker 1: the spring of pearls set and s guy and I
Speaker 1: take a picture. It's just getting ready to disappear over
Speaker 1: the eastward horizon. I take a picture, and I have
Speaker 1: that photo. My third experience with the spring of pearls
Speaker 1: happened in September of this year. I'm going to skip
Speaker 1: around a little bit because I'm going to stick to
Speaker 1: sift this particular graph and for now. And I walk
Speaker 1: outside once again. I am on the phone with my
Speaker 1: oldest son and we're visiting, not about not about this
Speaker 1: sort of thing, I don't think, but were just visiting
Speaker 1: and having a good conversation. And I walk out onto
Speaker 1: my front I look up, not even up up, because
Speaker 1: my porch is elevated a little bit, and so I
Speaker 1: just have a really nice view and Moya is there's
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of light floating up here. And
Speaker 1: as soon as I walk out, there is this beautiful
Speaker 1: spring of pearls and it is It's just there. It
Speaker 1: is not moving at all, it's not going anywhere, and
Speaker 1: I'm just shocked. It's like, Okay, there's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a satellite right now. I don't know anything about satellite.
Speaker 1: Maybe they can make them stationary. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: this thing is not moving. And I tell my son,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on, there's something I've got to get
Speaker 1: a picture of. And he's humoring me. He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, mom, go get your phone. And so I
Speaker 1: go inside and I grab my phone because I have
Speaker 1: headphones in, and as soon as I grab it, I
Speaker 1: open it up to the camera because I'm thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get picture. It's going to be already
Speaker 1: passed all the way over the house and gone by
Speaker 1: the time I get out there. When I get out there,
Speaker 1: my hand is still kind of moving when I take
Speaker 1: the picture, so it's not the greatest, but it's still there.
Speaker 1: I take one picture, I look down at my phone
Speaker 1: and I look happen It's gone. And I'm thinking, this
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like cal a satellite should be acting. But
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about this. I saw this one
Speaker 1: more time, and that was just this past month in
Speaker 1: my Boysie, Idaho. It was actually at my parents' house
Speaker 1: in Loser, Idaho. I happen to go out to my car.
Speaker 1: This happened at like seven o'clock in the evening where
Speaker 1: I'm at now with a specific time, so it had
Speaker 1: been eight o'clock here in lloy Age. But I walked
Speaker 1: outside to my car and coming over the horizon, is
Speaker 1: this just unbelievable string of pearls again? And so I
Speaker 1: go in the house. I have my phone. I go
Speaker 1: into house and I tell my mom and dad and
Speaker 1: brother are all in there, and I tell my brother
Speaker 1: he should come out and take a look at this.
Speaker 1: I think you'll find it fascinating. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to say too much to my parents that gets them
Speaker 1: excited because my dad's been having some heart issues and
Speaker 1: staying with my mom, so they're both in their early
Speaker 1: to mid eighties. Anyway, So my brother comes out and
Speaker 1: he immediately starts recording. He's just fascinated. And my parents
Speaker 1: come out. My mom just sees the tail end of it,
Speaker 1: and my dad he says, he says, wow, I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like that. And this time they reacted completely
Speaker 1: different than all of the other times. The first time
Speaker 1: it passed from half to horizons. The second time it
Speaker 1: was just on the horizon and I got a quick picture.
Speaker 1: The third time when it disappeared, it was instantly every
Speaker 1: single light in that string of pearls disappeared at once.
Speaker 1: This time, what happened was as this string of pearls
Speaker 1: came up and reached the apex of the sky, each
Speaker 1: one of them would go to the same spot and
Speaker 1: just disappear, one after the other. So those are my
Speaker 1: sidings of the string of pearls. I have some other
Speaker 1: sidings that are kind of odd. There's a photo out
Speaker 1: I took a screenshot of it. Something that was happened
Speaker 1: in I see Las Vegas. There was a reaction to
Speaker 1: it and it looked like a giant bubble. I'm not
Speaker 1: exactly sure if who was supposedly launching it, but it
Speaker 1: looks like a big bubble. So what I saw was
Speaker 1: hot peak and it was out here in the front
Speaker 1: and once again I was on the phone with my
Speaker 1: oldest son and I was standing outside it the summertime.
Speaker 1: I don't have a picture of this. It happens very fast,
Speaker 1: but there was just suddenly this giant hot paint bubbles
Speaker 1: that went by in front of me. And I can
Speaker 1: mention one other siding that happened. There's been a few
Speaker 1: other listenings too, but there's another one that happened in Pacchini.
Speaker 1: And aside from the first one I had of the
Speaker 1: flying saucer that boots me. This one also scared me,
Speaker 1: and it was a little bit different. So I'm in Cheenie.
Speaker 1: My daughter is living there and my son in law,
Speaker 1: and she's finishing school. They have an apartment there. They're
Speaker 1: no longer they're living there, but she's finishing school, and
Speaker 1: I'm spending a night with them. They have a deck
Speaker 1: on the back where they live, and it's a two
Speaker 1: story place, so it's elevated, and I have a really
Speaker 1: nice view. I'm looking out over just kind of an
Speaker 1: edge of Cheenie, and I see this really bright light
Speaker 1: and it's way way too low to be a star,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, well, I don't think it's an airplane.
Speaker 1: It's stopped blinking that I'm really observing it, and it
Speaker 1: just seems very very odd because it's too low to
Speaker 1: be a star, and it's really really big and bright,
Speaker 1: and so I'm watching it, and for some reason, I
Speaker 1: typically don't think out towards these things, but this one
Speaker 1: I did because they just kept getting brighter and brighter,
Speaker 1: and finally I thought out towards it, Wow, you might
Speaker 1: want to tone it down a bit there, brother, somebody's
Speaker 1: going to notice you you're so bright. And instantly I
Speaker 1: was given this feeling of just complete irritation and don't
Speaker 1: tell me what to do, and you don't know bright.
Speaker 1: This thing just blew up in size and just rushed
Speaker 1: towards me. It became blue, kind of an odd glup
Speaker 1: but not really a turquoise blue, but bleww, and it
Speaker 1: just exploded towards me, and I blew out of my chair,
Speaker 1: got to the front door. I had to go around
Speaker 1: the apartment, and I got to the front and tried
Speaker 1: to walk as normally as possible into the house without
Speaker 1: alerting the kids to the fact that something had been
Speaker 1: going on. So anyway, that's nick. That is pretty much
Speaker 1: my sightings.
Speaker 6: Wow, interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've it's been interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, this has happened quite regularly over the last
Speaker 6: few years.
Speaker 1: It did. I had never had anything like this happen
Speaker 1: in my life. And it was like the minutes I
Speaker 1: slowed down and took a breath and looked up because
Speaker 1: my nose had been buried in a book for years.
Speaker 1: I had been a mother and a wife at home
Speaker 1: and decided to go back to school. Everything was just
Speaker 1: really a grind. And when I got to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: there had been a few things that were a lot better.
Speaker 1: I had gotten rid of the school business, things were
Speaker 1: going better for my kids. My marriage was on the
Speaker 1: rocks and were divorced. Now that you know I was
Speaker 1: dealing is some of the things that I had been
Speaker 1: dealing with were better at that point. But when things
Speaker 1: started in twenty sixteen, I have had just one siding
Speaker 1: after another. I have no idea why that I just
Speaker 1: keep seeing them.
Speaker 6: Was there anything in your past that really stands out?
Speaker 1: I have a number of things that happened to me
Speaker 1: in my past, and I never really examined any of
Speaker 1: those things and kill to this point, and and it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, some of this stuff makes a whole lot
Speaker 1: more sense than what I'm looking at right or what
Speaker 1: I was originally looking at, because I didn't that's just
Speaker 1: that I didn't believe in UFOs. I was raised as
Speaker 1: a Christian, that my thoughts of God is that God
Speaker 1: is love and God is life. That's what God is
Speaker 1: is life. And to me, it wouldn't It would only
Speaker 1: seemed common sense that he would just like stuck the
Speaker 1: universe of life. So the fact that there might be nonprest.
Speaker 1: Real life wasn't something that I really dwelled on, but
Speaker 1: I thought that there was a very good chance that
Speaker 1: there was, and I did have some odd things happen
Speaker 1: as I was growing up. I had times, like so
Speaker 1: many of your guests, where all of my blankets would
Speaker 1: be in the floor, or I would be upside down
Speaker 1: in my bed. One night, when I was like about
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, we had this full size bed and
Speaker 1: it whatever reason, I don't know if it was a
Speaker 1: homemade one or WoT, it was a wooden bed, but
Speaker 1: it was set low to the ground compared to a
Speaker 1: lot of the beds that you see, especially nowadays, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was very low to the ground. I
Speaker 1: woke up in the middle of the night and I
Speaker 1: was stuffed beneath this bed. There was absolutely no way
Speaker 1: that I could have wriggened myself under this bed without
Speaker 1: waking up, because I was fully jammed under there and
Speaker 1: it was pressing down on me. How I got underneath
Speaker 1: that bed, I have no idea things like that. What's
Speaker 1: interesting is when I first moved to Oregon, I had
Speaker 1: discovered these little tiny babies underneath my skin. While I
Speaker 1: was living there at ms Mensville, and I don't even
Speaker 1: know why I was pressing around on that side of
Speaker 1: my leg, but it was almost like consciously I knew
Speaker 1: that there was something there, and it felt like a
Speaker 1: little tiny beeby bit. It was pretty deep down in
Speaker 1: the muscle of my leg. And at another point, while
Speaker 1: living in Salem, I found another one there. So I
Speaker 1: had a couple of themen and I kept My thought
Speaker 1: was that maybe I had a tumor and I was
Speaker 1: dying because I did not think about implant and it
Speaker 1: really bothered me to touch them. I did not want
Speaker 1: to touch them, and so I pretty much ignored that
Speaker 1: those things happened prior to my sighting. So there was
Speaker 1: some things in my past that definitely could indicate something
Speaker 1: was going on, and then also some bruising and some
Speaker 1: things that your other guests have talked about, like gabbing
Speaker 1: that looked like three little triangles. You had a guest
Speaker 1: on at one point that said, we know for something.
Speaker 1: Typically we know something even if we think we don't
Speaker 1: know anything, And so I thought one day after I'd
Speaker 1: listened to that show, I thought, you know, do I thought,
Speaker 1: do I know? And the only thing I could think
Speaker 1: of that I knew was that I was waking up
Speaker 1: at three h three or three thirty three in the morning,
Speaker 1: and so I started writing down I had not kept
Speaker 1: track of any of the dates, so I started just
Speaker 1: writing down the dates. And I didn't tell anyone what
Speaker 1: I was doing. It was like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to speak this out loud. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to write it down and keep track of it.
Speaker 1: And over the next few months, I kept track of
Speaker 1: it for not quite a year, quite about a nine
Speaker 1: month period. And when I went back and looked one day,
Speaker 1: because I'd kind of write things down all over in
Speaker 1: this notebook, I went back and looked and my day
Speaker 1: dates were all of the seventh of the month, and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, so, yeah, this is this is kind
Speaker 1: of weird. Maybe I do know something. And then situations
Speaker 1: waking up with large bruises, like I have a picture
Speaker 1: that I took of just this really big bruise on
Speaker 1: my leg and once again it was on the seventh
Speaker 1: of July. I think, I do want to mention one
Speaker 1: thing that is kind of odd. So I do have
Speaker 1: some people I can kind to talk to this about.
Speaker 1: I haven't really gone way way in depth with especially
Speaker 1: the emotional parts of it, like the feelings I'm getting
Speaker 1: from these crafts or these experiences almost like a communication.
Speaker 1: I haven't really gone into that. Sometimes I think it's
Speaker 1: easier for people to accept maybe something solid they can
Speaker 1: look at, rather than somebody talking about their feelings. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody that is very very close
Speaker 1: to me about the siding, the second siding I had,
Speaker 1: and I haven't talked to anybody about this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I kind of mentioned it to my kids that, like
Speaker 1: my daughters, they felt like a kind of a look
Speaker 1: of fear in their eyes. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was just because I was talking about aliens or
Speaker 1: you know, they're also the concerns for their mother's mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I didn't want to scare my kids,
Speaker 1: and so I try to just discuss this with people
Speaker 1: who are a little bit more open to it. And
Speaker 1: this person is much more open to these things, and
Speaker 1: we have just some really enjoyable conversations like I do
Speaker 1: with my older son. And not that I don't have
Speaker 1: great conversations with all of my kids, but I typically
Speaker 1: don't discussed aliens a huge amount with my girls. But
Speaker 1: my boys are more open, and then I do have
Speaker 1: a couple of friends that I can discuss these things with,
Speaker 1: one more so than the others. But even way this day,
Speaker 1: I was having a discussion with one of those friends,
Speaker 1: and it was the day before the fourth of July,
Speaker 1: so this took place on those that July. And this
Speaker 1: person is a member of one of the three Letter
Speaker 1: agencies here in America, and they have some fairly high
Speaker 1: level clearance. And I just kind of assume that anytime
Speaker 1: I'm visiting or hanging out with this person, that will
Speaker 1: probably being observed and listened to, and not because of me,
Speaker 1: but because of the high security work that he does
Speaker 1: and what he's involved in. And so I just take
Speaker 1: that for granted. But as far as talking about UFOs
Speaker 1: or anything like that, that I never proved myself. And
Speaker 1: so anyway, I had this discussion with him about this,
Speaker 1: and we had a really good discussion about it, and
Speaker 1: I told him most of my stories that I really
Speaker 1: didn't go into the emotional part of it, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure how much I did to stay, but
Speaker 1: I did not really get into that. I might have
Speaker 1: touched on a little bit, and I didn't spend as
Speaker 1: much time on the citing itself the experience of stuff.
Speaker 1: I was a little more constent. But either way, the
Speaker 1: next morning, when I got up, at some point in
Speaker 1: the morning, I was outside and I looked down on
Speaker 1: my arm, and on my right arm I had I
Speaker 1: had aught looked like an IV brue. And I haven't
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time at the hospital, but I
Speaker 1: have been there when I had my babies, and it
Speaker 1: looked exactly like an IV bruise, with a little bit
Speaker 1: of scabbing and a couple of puncturemarks. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: just thought that was the strange just thing. I didn't
Speaker 1: like it. It's I don't like the idea of anything
Speaker 1: or anyone coming into my home in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. So yeah, that was a little bit spooky.
Speaker 1: It was like, Wow, this is I don't don't know
Speaker 1: what to make of this. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: really even talked to this person about that. I do
Speaker 1: plan on bringing a depth just to see what his
Speaker 1: thoughts on. I don't know what feel safe, but I
Speaker 1: just thought it was really odd that I had this
Speaker 1: conversation and then the next morning I wake up and
Speaker 1: I have got a bruise on the inside of my
Speaker 1: right arm that looked like an IV bruthe with Marx
Speaker 1: in it. I did take a picture, so I have
Speaker 1: a picture of that. Also.
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Speaker 6: It's interesting that you seem to have like an emotional
Speaker 6: connection to all your sightings, have different mixed feelings and
Speaker 6: emotions that come with it. These aren't just lights in
Speaker 6: the sky that you have seen.
Speaker 1: Y've all been kind of odd that the first one,
Speaker 1: the saucer, for whatever reason, it scared me with that
Speaker 1: feeling that someone was right there. I went from Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm having deja vu to somebody is right there with me.
Speaker 1: They're staring at me, if they're looking at me, if
Speaker 1: they're close. And I don't know why that spooked me
Speaker 1: so bad that it really did, and I really don't
Speaker 1: know what to make it up. First sighting, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I seeing a flying saucer. I have no idea why
Speaker 1: I saw it. I don't know what it means. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what any of it means.
Speaker 1: But I have felt like I am being shown craft, obviously,
Speaker 1: and I think that the well, they're all really interesting.
Speaker 1: That second sighting, that feeling that that I had experienced
Speaker 1: that sense of with before, that I had felt that before,
Speaker 1: but I have no memory of ever seeing any kind
Speaker 1: of craft, so that part of it was way out
Speaker 1: of the blue. I've never seen red orange balls. But
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that I got the sense of hello,
Speaker 1: and we're here and we're just hanging out and observing.
Speaker 1: And then with the string of pearls the starling, there's
Speaker 1: four different experiences right there, and all four of them
Speaker 1: are completely different. It would be one thing if I
Speaker 1: had saw it all four times and I saw it
Speaker 1: in exactly the same manner, moving across the sky, not
Speaker 1: ever stationary, not ever just completely disappearing, not disappearing one
Speaker 1: light at the time. And then, of course the when
Speaker 1: I had in Cheenie where the craft just felt really
Speaker 1: irritated and it just felt it felt like the bully.
Speaker 1: It felt like a bully. And if like, well, and
Speaker 1: I've given that some thoughts too, because we're hearing step
Speaker 1: about Hyer frequencies and you know all of this. You
Speaker 1: know that didn't feel real high frequency to me. And
Speaker 1: so I think that just because something has a little
Speaker 1: more power, a little more knowledge, doesn't necessarily make it
Speaker 1: a step about me or you or anyone else. I
Speaker 1: think that a lot of that's determined by how we
Speaker 1: treat each other and other beings.
Speaker 6: So anyway, now, aside from these sciens, do you ever
Speaker 6: recall any experiences of the paranormal kind? But whether it's
Speaker 6: more present day or when you're a.
Speaker 1: Child, I have had paranormal experiences, and I have one
Speaker 1: really occurring dream that I had from my earliest memory.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about my reoccurring dreams first, if you like,
Speaker 1: and then tell you about my paranormal experiences. My reoccurring
Speaker 1: dream tied in just a little bit more with the
Speaker 1: sidings that I've had, I think, and with everything that's
Speaker 1: gone on in the past. I started having this dream
Speaker 1: when I was well. I've had it as far back
Speaker 1: as I can remember. I stopped having it when I
Speaker 1: was about eleven years old. So when I was a baby,
Speaker 1: even being put down for a nap, a lot of
Speaker 1: times I had to have this dream. And I hated
Speaker 1: having the dream. It was scary, it was unsettling, and
Speaker 1: I always woke up stick from this dream. In my dream,
Speaker 1: I am on some kind some kind of a landscape
Speaker 1: where I'm just jogging and running along. Everything is rusty
Speaker 1: colored brand The rocks are brownish reddish rays, the dirt
Speaker 1: the same color. The sky is the same color, a
Speaker 1: little bit lighter, but everything is the same color, just
Speaker 1: kind of a rust color. And there is no vegetation,
Speaker 1: no live any kind anywhere. There's only rubble and rocks
Speaker 1: and dirt. And in my dreaming, I am running. I
Speaker 1: don't know what direction I'm running, but off to my
Speaker 1: left is a more heels. I'm on the side of
Speaker 1: a hill and they're rising up and it rises up
Speaker 1: there for the back of those mountains that the mountains
Speaker 1: look exactly like the land I'm on right now, just
Speaker 1: this rusty reddish brown gray dirt and rocks. And off
Speaker 1: to the right of me going down the hill is
Speaker 1: the same thing. Everything looks exactly the same. It's just rubble,
Speaker 1: and all of the country, all of the land, is
Speaker 1: got these little tiny narrow paths running on them. There
Speaker 1: are about the width of a railroad crass and these
Speaker 1: paths have just been ground into a really fine calcum
Speaker 1: powder like dust. And in my dream, I'm always exactly
Speaker 1: the same age. I'm about maybe six years old. I
Speaker 1: have on what feels like cotton top and bottom, and
Speaker 1: they're white. I have on the white cotton shorts that
Speaker 1: comes just above my knees. I have on a white
Speaker 1: cotton T shirt that because of all of the dust,
Speaker 1: I am all dusty and dirty too. I can see
Speaker 1: that it's white. It should have been white. That I'm dirty.
Speaker 1: And in my dream, I'm always jogging or moving at
Speaker 1: the very least, and looking around. In my dream, the
Speaker 1: only thing that is in my dream besides myself are
Speaker 1: these giant white schools. And that's what I call them,
Speaker 1: is schools, because I think that's the only thing in
Speaker 1: my baby mind that I maybe could have seen at
Speaker 1: some point that I could identify these things with like
Speaker 1: a school of threads laid on its side and rolling.
Speaker 1: That's what these things looked like, only they were the
Speaker 1: size or as tall as like a Max truck. They
Speaker 1: were very very tall, that they were skinny enough to
Speaker 1: roll down these paths, and these schools were all over
Speaker 1: the place. I could see them behind me, and in
Speaker 1: front of me. I could see them down further down
Speaker 1: the landscape, up going up towards the mountains. They never
Speaker 1: went fast, and they never went sprow They all looked
Speaker 1: like they were moving in exactly the same speed, just
Speaker 1: rolling methodically along. They never ever stopped rolling, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know what they were. They were just very, very scary.
Speaker 1: Probably about the worst thing about this stream that I
Speaker 1: really disliked the most was how I would feel when
Speaker 1: I would wake up from it. And from the very
Speaker 1: very beginning, when I was really small, I think I
Speaker 1: can probably remember having the dream back to the ages
Speaker 1: at least two, and I remember having the dream taking
Speaker 1: naps in the car wherever. I mean, I had to
Speaker 1: dream a lot, and any time I woke up from
Speaker 1: having this stream, I would be really fix my stomach,
Speaker 1: very very mistauxious, and I would be that way all
Speaker 1: day long. As the day would went on, this feeling
Speaker 1: of being nauseus would slowly wear off, and then by
Speaker 1: the time I went to bed that night, it would
Speaker 1: be almost gone, and the next morning it would be gone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so fast forwards to today, and I'm digging
Speaker 1: through all of this information on aliens and UFOs and
Speaker 1: going down all of these different rabbit holes, and plus
Speaker 1: we're getting all of these pictures bat from NASA of
Speaker 1: the Martian landscape, and I have to say that my
Speaker 1: dream looks exactly like the Martian landscapes. All you need
Speaker 1: to do is add some paths and these giant white schools.
Speaker 1: So I got to thinking the other day, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I haven't given this a lot of thought, but now
Speaker 1: with all of this happening in my life, I've rigged
Speaker 1: salmon things and I came across well, somebody made a
Speaker 1: comment about spiders on Mars, and I started think about
Speaker 1: schools and schools and spiders, and I decided to look
Speaker 1: up drones and I found rolling spider growns and they
Speaker 1: look exactly like what was rolling around in my dreams.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what that center school, that the
Speaker 1: parks that connected the two wheels. I was always pretty
Speaker 1: far away from these things in my dreams. Every once
Speaker 1: in a while, somehow one of them would manage to
Speaker 1: get close to me. I don't know how they would
Speaker 1: get close, but I was a little girl, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I would be sidetracked or something. But
Speaker 1: either way, occasionally one of those things would get closer
Speaker 1: than what I would normally allow, and it would just
Speaker 1: be very big. But when I saw these rolling spider drones,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I think that's what was in my dream
Speaker 1: was was drones. That's the only thing that I can
Speaker 1: make sense of anyway. I mean, that's what they look like.
Speaker 1: They looked the same. They were white, and the wheels
Speaker 1: was the same. They just looked very, very big, and
Speaker 1: they seem to be doing their thing, and they would
Speaker 1: have got me. I think if they could have got me,
Speaker 1: they would have killed me. And I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's how this little person died out there. The other
Speaker 1: thing I came across while doing this digging for information
Speaker 1: on all of this is some of the physicists or
Speaker 1: physicists that believes that Mars has a nuclear signature that
Speaker 1: can only be found when there has been a nuclear
Speaker 1: device set off. And I just find it interesting that
Speaker 1: I have this dream. I'm not someone that really believes
Speaker 1: in reincarnation, but there's been a ton of stories and
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff out there. I just find
Speaker 1: it interesting that it compares to the Martian landscape. There's
Speaker 1: the drones, and then there's this feeling of being so
Speaker 1: sick afterwards, which can definitely be attributed to radiation plasing.
Speaker 1: As far as my paranormal experiences go, I have had
Speaker 1: a situation I've been talked about with like the shadow figures,
Speaker 1: and I did experience that back in my mid twenties
Speaker 1: when I was pregnant with my first child, and that
Speaker 1: was something I just really really thought. I did not
Speaker 1: want to have anything to do with it. Man, I
Speaker 1: went through my apartment. Anything I thought might be offensive
Speaker 1: to God. It was like gone, and so I had
Speaker 1: to deal look out for a little while. But somehow,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I got through that. And I don't
Speaker 1: know real problem with that because being raised as a Christian,
Speaker 1: for me that the shadow figures were more like a
Speaker 1: demonic thing. Now when I look at it, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe not a person is. When I was drifting off,
Speaker 1: it would be like during the day and I would
Speaker 1: lay down to take a naps because I'd be so tired,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like you're kind of in a different
Speaker 1: state of mind between sweep and being awake, and maybe
Speaker 1: there's a chance to have an interaction with different dimensions
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, or it could have been demons.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. It was very, very scary, and
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I've had a number of paranormal experiences,
Speaker 1: but I will talk about the foremost pertinent ones. The
Speaker 1: first one I had was when I was seventeen years old,
Speaker 1: and this happened with both of my sisters, who at
Speaker 1: that time were fourteen and fifteen, and we were living
Speaker 1: in a very old place back in the mountains in Idaho,
Speaker 1: and my dad was working out of state, and my
Speaker 1: mom at that time was working some kind of a
Speaker 1: little night just job at a restaurant, and so she
Speaker 1: was getting home pretty late, and we had I had
Speaker 1: a very small brother and sister, so an older girl
Speaker 1: would take turns sleeping downstairs with the brother and the
Speaker 1: sister that were really little. They were like maybe two
Speaker 1: and four, two and five, and we did not have
Speaker 1: night lights. When the lights went out, it was very dark.
Speaker 1: There were there were no other buildings around. This was
Speaker 1: ranch country, and so there was some other ranches in
Speaker 1: the local area that mile a few miles away. And
Speaker 1: so anyway, I pick up in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and I can hear this sobbing coming from the
Speaker 1: sofa because where I'm at in the living room, there's
Speaker 1: two bedrooms upstairs, and there is a bed in the
Speaker 1: living room at one end of it, and that's where
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping with my brother and sister. I hear this sobbing,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, well, I'm thinking it's got to be
Speaker 1: one of my sisters. I do not think goes But
Speaker 1: right next to the bed where I'm sleeping, on the
Speaker 1: other side of the room, there is a doorway that
Speaker 1: goes up the stairs to the other two bedrooms, and
Speaker 1: so it's kind of it's an old house, so that
Speaker 1: stairways stairs is enclosed. And as I'm listening to this
Speaker 1: woman sobs, I hear my one of my sisters say, Debbie,
Speaker 1: what's wrong? And I said, oh, I thought it was
Speaker 1: one of you girls, and immediately the sobbing stopped, and
Speaker 1: it was not me, and it was neither one of
Speaker 1: my sisters. There is a story that there was people
Speaker 1: that there was a cabin that was built on that
Speaker 1: property that was nearby at some earlier point had burned
Speaker 1: down and a child, a baby, had burnt up in
Speaker 1: that fire, and it may be true. I think that
Speaker 1: definitely was true, but that I kind of wonder if
Speaker 1: that was the connection with this sobbing woman that we
Speaker 1: had there in our home that night. That was the
Speaker 1: only connection I could make to it was we had
Speaker 1: heard that story about the house fire and the baby,
Speaker 1: and then we all three of us girls experienced this
Speaker 1: woman crying in our house. My next paranormal experience happened.
Speaker 1: I was living in Montana and my boys were little.
Speaker 1: It was not long after my first divorce and my
Speaker 1: boys were like two and five, and I moved into
Speaker 1: this mobile home that was on just a small piece
Speaker 1: of land and had like a building at the back
Speaker 1: and trees and stuff. It was a great place for
Speaker 1: the kids and for somebody like myself that was just
Speaker 1: trying is single and trying to survive. And anyway we
Speaker 1: found out soon after we moved in there said the
Speaker 1: previous person that had lived there, a young man and
Speaker 1: a young woman with this really small children. That the
Speaker 1: woman had died like a terrible cancer, and he had
Speaker 1: been widowed and left with two children. And so I'm
Speaker 1: living there. I would see somebody in the house. I
Speaker 1: would see a woman. There were times when I would
Speaker 1: go and put my boys to bed, especially my youngest son,
Speaker 1: and when I would put them down to sleep or
Speaker 1: put them down for the night, a lot of times
Speaker 1: I'd be back out in the living room and I
Speaker 1: would hear the door to the bedroom pop open. And
Speaker 1: you really had to pull that door closed to get
Speaker 1: it closed. It was one of those it latched. It
Speaker 1: had a nice tight latch to it. It was a
Speaker 1: little bit too tight. So anyway, whenever it would pop open,
Speaker 1: I would think, oh, here it comes. The baby is up,
Speaker 1: you know, And I would stit in the living room
Speaker 1: and wait and try to be quiet, thinking one of
Speaker 1: them was going to be coming out very soon, and
Speaker 1: then nobody would come out. And it got to be
Speaker 1: every time I would lay like I said, especially my
Speaker 1: youngest down in the back, could not close the door.
Speaker 1: If I closed the door. When I put them to bed,
Speaker 1: the door would be opened back up. And one night
Speaker 1: my sister was there and she was sleeping out on
Speaker 1: the front self thing. I was in the back and
Speaker 1: very small place, and I hear her out there chatting
Speaker 1: and visiting and pretty see. I'm like, who are you
Speaker 1: talking to and she was, well, I'm talking to you,
Speaker 1: and I said, I laughed, and I said, well, I'm
Speaker 1: in bed in the back, and she goes, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're sitting out here in the dining area. I was
Speaker 1: not sitting in the dining area. She had seen a
Speaker 1: woman sitting in the dining area and that's who she existed.
Speaker 1: I think it was probably the energy of the woman
Speaker 1: that had been there. These last two, our last two
Speaker 1: paranormal events were both had to do with men and
Speaker 1: their homes. The third one happened in Tennessee and we
Speaker 1: had bought my husband was working on the East coast
Speaker 1: at that point and we had bought an acreage at
Speaker 1: East Tennessee that had this very old home on it,
Speaker 1: leap little Cabins house, and part of it was newer
Speaker 1: than the other part. Part of the foundation had logs
Speaker 1: for foundations, and either way when I first moved in there,
Speaker 1: it was like, almost immediately, like a second night that
Speaker 1: I was sleeping there was I could hear a man
Speaker 1: walking across the wooden floor. Men's work boots are They
Speaker 1: have a unique sound on a hardwood floor. They kind
Speaker 1: of slumped and it was just like punk clung, just
Speaker 1: kind of a slow, measured pace, and I got an
Speaker 1: immediate thought of I'm not leaving, just a very obstinate
Speaker 1: feeling like I'm here, i am not leaving. This was
Speaker 1: my home, this is my plan, I'm a part of this.
Speaker 1: It was like a kind of all ball together and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I didn't I don't want to mess
Speaker 1: with those. I don't like to deal with their so
Speaker 1: I pretty much avoid all paranormal type things and aside
Speaker 1: from UF posts anyway, Yeah, I heard this person occasionally
Speaker 1: during the few years that we lived there, and I
Speaker 1: never heard this energy in any other rooms except the
Speaker 1: very oldest, and pretty much that's all I ever was
Speaker 1: was just a walking through the house. We heard that
Speaker 1: originally that property was owned back in the early eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds by someone that had a little trading post there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the man that was there felt
Speaker 1: very determined and unmovable and very much planted in that spot.
Speaker 1: My last that I'll tell you about as far as
Speaker 1: my paranormal experiences, was in Levenon, Oregon, where the first
Speaker 1: where the saucer siding took place. And I was at
Speaker 1: that house. We were having holidays there, don't I think
Speaker 1: it was Thanksgiving. I don't think it was Christmas. I
Speaker 1: think it was Thanksgiving. And all of the guys were
Speaker 1: in the back part. All of the women were out
Speaker 1: in the living room, and most of the men, all
Speaker 1: of the men there were six foot or over. They're
Speaker 1: all big guys. And I had got up in the
Speaker 1: living room, walked into the kitchen and got a cut
Speaker 1: of coffee, and was walking back into the living room.
Speaker 1: I was standing in the living room. I had not
Speaker 1: set down. I was standing behind the chair where I
Speaker 1: was setting and I felt somebody suddenly standing right there,
Speaker 1: really close to me, almost touching, but just not white.
Speaker 1: And the person was really big, and I thought I
Speaker 1: thought it was my oldest son, because he's he was
Speaker 1: the biggest guy in the house, and they were all
Speaker 1: big guys, but this person was really big, and I
Speaker 1: could see out the corner of my eye my peripheral
Speaker 1: vision dip. He had on a black and yellow buffalo
Speaker 1: check work shirt like the logging shirt, and the Lebanon
Speaker 1: area of Oregon is an old logging community. This person
Speaker 1: was just so pleased and so happy to have all
Speaker 1: of the family there in that home. That's what he
Speaker 1: was about. He was about all of his family just
Speaker 1: being together and being happy. He was so pleased. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just my paranormal experiences with men have been
Speaker 1: men and their homes and lands like just really tied
Speaker 1: to that part of their life. And with the women
Speaker 1: it's been and women and those children. So yeah, those
Speaker 1: are my paranormal experiences.
Speaker 6: Wherever you go there seems to be something which is
Speaker 6: around you.
Speaker 1: It does seem like that. But all of my life
Speaker 1: I've been able to just kind of pick up on
Speaker 1: feelings from people. I call it skilling people because I can,
Speaker 1: like so many of the guests that you have on
Speaker 1: there is the ability to pick up emotions and good
Speaker 1: energies and dark energies.
Speaker 6: It is something which will sometimes go hand in hand
Speaker 6: with these experiences. That's wonderful. Deborah, I don't understand how
Speaker 6: you were nervous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have thought most of it was worn off
Speaker 1: throughout today, but it really hung on there. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Nick. I really really appreciate it, and I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed visiting with you.
Speaker 6: Debra. I really appreciate having you on. It was wonderful
Speaker 6: you to join us today and it's such an interesting story.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Nick.
Speaker 6: That's all right, keep in contact and I will be
Speaker 6: in touch.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 6: You enjoy the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: You have left, so I will stay in contact next
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick, good.
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Speaker 6: and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.