WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is a Al Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:28.920 When you be on the Sky do you. 3 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:30.079 Feel the poll? 4 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.119 The question why. 5 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:41.200 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 6 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:48.640 truth we find? They built their tails on grafts and 7 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:50.560 lines on. 8 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.119 Theories they stake their designed. 9 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:57.200 Put down here. 10 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:01.399 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's 11 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:05.480 time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. 12 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.359 I'm your host is always George Jobs as we're recording 13 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:13.519 on this Thursday, March the six, twenty twenty five. 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Feel free to 26 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.120 reach out we'd love to have you on. Without any 27 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.760 further ado, we are going to bring on today's special guest, 28 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:04.519 and his name is Braiden. 29 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:05.959 Braiden, how are you doing today, sir? 30 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:07.920 I'm doing great. How are you? 31 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:08.960 I'm doing really well. 32 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.520 And thanks for taking the time this afternoon to joyce 33 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:15.199 to join us and share your story, and please do 34 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.479 kick us off and introduce yourself to the audience. 35 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:21.240 Oh, my name is Braiden. I'm twenty five years old. 36 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:26.599 I'll be married two years this month. I'm a lubin 37 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:31.599 tired technician and I really enjoy like music, film, photography, 38 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.319 and then especially as of lately last year or two 39 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:40.319 or so, learning particularly like with the Truth conspiracies and 40 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:44.280 especially pertaining to biblical history has really piqued my interest lately. 41 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:48.319 And you know, for somebody who's young, you know, there's 42 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:51.439 a and I'm at fault as well, a misconception that 43 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:53.400 you know, a lot of the Truth community is a 44 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:56.199 little older. But I've had the privilege of you know, 45 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.719 speaking to close to two hundred people just on this podcast, 46 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.439 and many of them have been under third So tell 47 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:03.439 me a little bit as you were. You can call 48 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:07.319 it conspiratorial mindset, or your critical critical thinking skills. 49 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:08.599 Where does that come from? 50 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:13.199 I'm honestly not really sure, because I feel like from 51 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.919 a young age I had it. I grew up religious 52 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.120 in a Southern Baptist family, and I remember really young, 53 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.120 I would not I don't want to say question, but 54 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.159 kind of I would feel like, was I like believing 55 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.680 in everything for the right reason? Like I almost felt 56 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.960 like I was only believing because I was told. So 57 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.719 I always feel like I kind of had, you know, 58 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:41.199 the critical thinking was there. And then as I got older, 59 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.719 you know, I got into reading more about politics and 60 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.240 stuff and how the world works and how the government works, 61 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.360 and then you know, I started to see kind of 62 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:53.439 holes and some things, and then my questions grew. And 63 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:55.439 then the more that I looked into it, the more 64 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:57.439 I learned, and then the more, you know, the snowball 65 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.159 just kind of growed or grew. 66 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.560 Would you say, you're you're a young guy with a family, 67 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.639 You work hard. Do you find that the way they've 68 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.800 created this matrix, you know, working forty to fifty hours 69 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.199 a week, does that take away? Do you find that's 70 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.160 intentionally detrimental to people trying to investigate this kind of information? 71 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:19.720 I do and I feel like one of the most 72 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.839 frustrating things about waking up to the matrix is waking 73 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.120 up to it like mentally, but you're physically still in 74 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:28.920 the routine of it, because, like you know, you still 75 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:30.839 have to go to work, you still have to pay 76 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.040 the bills, you still have to provide for the family, 77 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.120 all while knowing what's going on, and you know how 78 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.240 how things are really operating. And that's that's the frustrating part. 79 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.199 What was I guess I could ask you what age 80 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:48.040 and kind of what was your first rabbit hole that 81 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.319 you encountered that And I'm not just talking about like, 82 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:56.160 you know, the things amongst you know, a normal conversation joking, 83 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.439 whether it be like the moon landing or JFK, but 84 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:01.160 what was the the first real thing that you came 85 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.040 upon that you actually took the time to investigate and 86 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.360 realized that the official narrative was completely different from the truth. 87 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:13.000 So really it started kind of with like the state 88 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:15.439 of politics and the government and the country. I got 89 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:20.800 really into independent medias like YouTube shows and stuff about 90 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.399 two three years ago and kind of got away from 91 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.199 like the mainstream news, whether it's Fox, MSNBC, any of those, 92 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.040 and I really liked the way that these independent medias 93 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.040 they cited their sources, they would let you know where 94 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.519 it came from, and they really dug deep into things 95 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:40.560 and in between the lines that you didn't get from 96 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.279 the mainstream media. So that is really when I realized, like, Okay, 97 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.839 things are not, you know, as they have seemed up 98 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.000 until this point to me. And then I went down 99 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.240 that rabbit hole. And then it got even deeper for 100 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.600 me when because when I met my wife, my wife 101 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:59.639 is not religious, I guess you could say. When we met, 102 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:04.360 she was an agnostic, and so I was, you know, 103 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.360 I would tell her things about the Bible like that, 104 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.279 and then I would realize because she would ask me 105 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.120 questions about it that you know, maybe I don't know 106 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.240 as much as I thought I did. So I was like, 107 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.519 I'm going to read this thing cover to cover educate myself, 108 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:17.759 because I was like, you know, who am I to 109 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.199 teach somebody something if I don't know what I'm talking about? 110 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:20.519 Right? 111 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.839 So I started reading it, and the more I read it, 112 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:29.480 the more questions I got from it, the more I 113 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.240 became kind of confused, I guess, because there was a 114 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:34.199 lot of things in it that I had never heard, like, 115 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:37.399 you know, in church or in Sunday school, and I 116 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:39.240 was kind of reading it. I ended up reading it 117 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.199 with like, I guess you could say the wrong intentions, 118 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:43.639 because by the time I got to the end of 119 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:45.920 the Old Testament, I had so much doubt that I 120 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:49.319 had kind of concluded like, maybe this is not right, 121 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.839 maybe this is wrong. So I kind of, for like 122 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.879 a year, was kind of on that path until I 123 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.319 got kind of into the conspiracy stuff. And then one 124 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.360 day I was sitting in bed with my wife and 125 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.360 she was talking about a video she saw where a 126 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:09.319 flat Earth researcher was talking about the point where the 127 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.040 over thousands of years, you know, the Earth is rotating 128 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.279 and orbiting and everything in space is moving around, but 129 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.879 the stars stay in the same spot. The constellations are 130 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:22.959 still there, they haven't moved, and that, like, I don't know, 131 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.160 that did something to me, and I, like I couldn't 132 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.240 stop thinking about that. So I dove into that, and 133 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.160 then I found more and more things that just kind 134 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.240 of fell into place that made so much sense that 135 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.519 I've never thought about before, just because you know, like 136 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:37.879 a lot of people do, I just took it that 137 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.279 face value, Okay, they say it's round, okay, But then 138 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.319 I started seeing all these things and it wasn't just 139 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.399 with the Earth, it was with you know, all kinds 140 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.800 of other things, archaeology finds of the Bible that I've 141 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.560 never heard of that obviously don't get talked about, and 142 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.240 there was just all kinds of things. The more I 143 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.360 look around and the more I would learn to just 144 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.879 point back to being you know, substance of the Bible, 145 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.000 and then that's what really led me to where I'm 146 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:02.399 at now. 147 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.399 I'm glad that the Bible and not necessarily you know, 148 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.040 books from the twentieth century sent you down that trail, 149 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.240 because even I'm guilty. Even on my other podcast, when 150 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:17.399 doing research get time, you can get wrapped up to 151 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.000 things of this world. At the same time, you do 152 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.480 really have to be cognizant of everything that's going on. 153 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.560 I just spent two hours talking about germ theory on 154 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.560 the radio, that there are a lot of deceptions. Again, 155 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:31.480 it's up to everyone to do their own research and 156 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.919 come to their own conclusions, but to see somebody be 157 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.399 able to and again, everybody has their own walls, and 158 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.039 you know how much they're bought into the matrix, how 159 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.840 the ability to pull out and look, you know, from 160 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.919 a distance, like you know, standing on a mountain and 161 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:53.480 looking down at everything and getting a clearer picture of life. 162 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.320 But to be able to discern that helio centrism is 163 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:58.759 a lie at such a young age. 164 00:08:58.799 --> 00:08:59.759 I always find that. 165 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.799 Just it warms my heart to see because when I 166 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:06.600 was twenty five, I was a knucklehead, and if you 167 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:08.559 would have told me the Earth was flat, I would 168 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:10.519 have laughed at you and gone back to doing the 169 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:11.240 things I did. 170 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.559 So you know, first and foremost, you know, a tip 171 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:15.519 of the cap to you. 172 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:21.559 And next I would ask you, because everybody why I've 173 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:25.039 interviewed had has had a different range of emotions post 174 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:29.159 waking up to flat earth or biblical cosmology, however you 175 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:31.720 would like to term it, what was yours? 176 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:31.919 Like? 177 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.320 Was it just oh yeah, I should have known? Or 178 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.360 was it something bigger than that? 179 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.759 Mine was almost like exciting like it and it still 180 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:45.440 is exciting every time I find excuse me, every time 181 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:49.360 I find another video or article and learn another factor, 182 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:51.879 another piece of evidence or something that I didn't learn before, 183 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.080 it's like, it's it's exciting like and so I would 184 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.919 say it was it was an exciting thing to realize 185 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:01.120 and then also to because I feel like it came 186 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.320 at a time when, like recently, because even when I 187 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:08.279 was going through the period of like really doubting everything 188 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.960 and concluding that there probably is no is no meat 189 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.320 and potatoes or whatever to what the claims of the 190 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.960 Bible are, I still every now and then would like 191 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:19.919 kind of like pray for like a sign, like just 192 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.879 you know, if you're there, if you're real, give me 193 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.399 a sign. And so for me to now be awake 194 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:28.759 to all these things, see the deception and see that 195 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.240 there are signs that are kind of clear to see 196 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.440 that are being hidden from people. That's what really did 197 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.159 it for me. And I was like, Okay, this, this 198 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.279 is this is more than just like a book. 199 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:46.679 Yeah, that's all great point because you know, we many 200 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.559 people are tuned into the news twenty four to seven, right, 201 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:51.960 and they buy into the fear porn. And I think 202 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:53.519 a lot of the stories that have to do with 203 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.639 space and NASA and rocketry, I don't think they've ever 204 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:03.039 been intentionally written. Listen that the moon landing's notwithstanding just 205 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.519 to kind of plant the seeds in the back of 206 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.440 your mind subtly because they understand psychology, and as long 207 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.960 as they continue to repetitively put these news stories out there. 208 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:18.080 For instance, yesterday was all about intuitive machines and their 209 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:21.759 probe landed on the moon, right, and the Independent people 210 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.279 out of Austin when they showed their thing land on 211 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.639 the moon a few days ago, it was just like 212 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:28.960 the one in India. 213 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:29.919 There's no camera. 214 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:36.200 It was a graphic representation from there. It was awful, 215 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.759 and the people just and there was like a thousand 216 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.879 people in there, and there were high fives and hugs. 217 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.159 I'm like, and once you're on this side of the wall, 218 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:48.639 like when you understand the lies, it's cringe. It's like 219 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:50.799 you just want to grab the people and shake them 220 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:52.360 and say, what are we doing here? 221 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.399 It is. It's like a bad Saturday Night Live skit. 222 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:56.679 It really was. 223 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:00.360 And I always think of that Indian President's waving his flag. 224 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.799 You had no clue what was even going on. It's 225 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:04.440 just all mockery, it really is. 226 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.120 It's almost sad in a way. 227 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.759 Yeah, it is, because you know, while we're laughing about 228 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.600 it and everything, this is intentionally like you know, going 229 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:19.000 full circle. This is intentionally keeping God out of the 230 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.720 equation and that's exactly what they want, right, that they 231 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:23.519 want to keep God out of the equation. They want 232 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:26.600 you invested in worldly things. And this is a long, 233 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:32.200 multi generational process that was first put in books and writings, 234 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.000 and then HG. Well's writings, and then you know, through 235 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.960 movies and television and science fiction, which by the time 236 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.600 nineteen sixties got here, you were open to believing it 237 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:47.960 when just a few hundred years prior they didn't accept heliocentrism. 238 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.440 Yeah, And it's it's those kind of things that really 239 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.279 blow my mind because you don't think about these kind 240 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.799 of things until you learn about it. But it makes 241 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.919 so much sense, and it it does because it only 242 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.600 takes a few generations for you know, once the older 243 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:08.080 ones die off and there's nobody around to share the 244 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.279 stories of what was anymore, and then you know, a 245 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.960 couple of generations later, boom, everybody's on the same page 246 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:13.679 where they want it. 247 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.080 That's why it's so important. 248 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:22.360 And I tell people create your own family handbook. You 249 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.519 get a three ring binder with document protectors and write, 250 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:29.039 print them off, put them in there. You know the 251 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:33.879 truth about COVID, that the truth about heliocentrism. Insert you 252 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:35.639 know what happened in twenty twenty. 253 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:36.320 All of that. 254 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:44.399 Don't allow your your, your grandchildren's grandchildren's to. 255 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:47.399 To fall to this lie. The deception. 256 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.960 Is so monumental and the way we are, you know, 257 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.679 so many of our you know, probably the other ninety 258 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.279 five percent just buy into it. 259 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:57.159 Right. 260 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.840 You have a conversation about somebody about whether it's Tuesday 261 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:04.240 night Trump addressing the nation or bo, did you see 262 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.799 what you know Trump did is a Lenski? And then 263 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:09.720 you say something about it and they're like, what are 264 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.279 you just a crazy liberal? 265 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:11.879 I'm like that. 266 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.200 There's other ways that you are taught, your programmed to 267 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:19.279 believe you are. You were either A or B right, 268 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.159 and they don't want you to be an individual. They 269 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:25.159 don't want you You just have to buy in to 270 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:26.559 the system. 271 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.960 Well, and that's one thing that frustrates me a lot, 272 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.519 not just about the flat Earth or the Bible. Just 273 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:36.679 you bring up any topic to somebody that's foreign, and 274 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:40.840 instead of being intrigued or even being curious of what 275 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.519 brought you to that conclusion, it's just, oh, you know, 276 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:47.000 or you're crazy, or you're this or you're that. Like 277 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.440 there was a time, you know, in my life too, 278 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:51.879 when you know, I say that as if I'm not 279 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.639 only twenty five years old. But when I was like 280 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:56.679 in high school, you know, there was a time when 281 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.559 if somebody told me they believed in flat earth, I 282 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.559 would have probably myself thought it's a little crazy, but 283 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.000 I would have still wanted to know how, you know, 284 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.519 they got to that conclusion, what makes them believe that? 285 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.639 Because you know, nobody's born knowing everything, so maybe somebody 286 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:14.519 knows something that I don't. So like to I like 287 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.399 to ask questions and listen to what other people have 288 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.440 to say, even if at first it sounds a little 289 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.879 insane to me, because everything that I know now would 290 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.200 have sounded crazy to me at one point. But it's 291 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:25.279 clear as day now. 292 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.759 Yeah, And you know a lot of people come on 293 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:36.000 the podcast and vent their frustrations about not being able, 294 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:39.960 you know, once we gain this knowledge, not being able 295 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.840 to share it successfully with even people who are very 296 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.639 close to us in our lives, people who have known 297 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:51.200 us our whole lives, but not even you know, not 298 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:54.840 being successful, but being completely shut down and being frowned 299 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.879 upon when we're just trying to present just a little 300 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.919 different view of something, even when you can certainly point 301 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.080 out just a few years ago all the lies that 302 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.000 were propagated against us. You think you'd be able to 303 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.559 garner even a small audience, but it's very difficult. 304 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.480 To do so, absolutely, And what blews my mind even more, 305 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.000 And I think you talked about this on a recent episode, 306 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.200 but it's that when you bring up something like the 307 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.639 flat Earth, and you come even with like evidence from 308 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.000 the Scripture, and you bring it to other Christians, when 309 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.360 they're so quick to write the topic off. That's what 310 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:36.120 kind of baffles me, because you're trying to show them something, 311 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.679 and you're showing them that that's what it says in 312 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.840 the Bible that you know they live by, they say 313 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.360 they live by. So that's what I can't figure out 314 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.919 is why is that such a taboo topic for them, 315 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.360 even though you're trying to show them that it's exactly 316 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.080 what it says in the text. 317 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:55.759 You know. 318 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:00.000 That applies to a lot of different things out there. 319 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.440 You look at Matthew twenty three nine, it talks about 320 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.079 don't call anyone on Earth your father, and you know, 321 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.799 if you look within Catholicism, you know that's its. 322 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:11.680 Father, father father. 323 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.400 Then you know there's verses out there that talks about, 324 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.160 you know, women shouldn't be pastors. It's specifically in the 325 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:26.319 New Testament and most dominations, even the Southern Baptist which 326 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.680 was a big arguing point last summer when they had 327 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:34.440 their conference, it's still the thing. So that is once again, 328 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:39.359 whatever you want to call it, pop culture or just whatever, 329 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:43.119 it is creeping into the church, into the Bible and 330 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:47.160 pushing the worldly ways against what we're taught in the Bible. 331 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.319 And once you start manipulating and saying well, it didn't 332 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.720 really mean this, or well it didn't really mean that, 333 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:58.519 you're really getting into really murky waters and you're you're 334 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.680 you're doing some dangerous stuff. Really when you start trying 335 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.240 to manipulate the word to benefit. 336 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:08.279 You, absolutely, And I just feel like, and maybe it's 337 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.839 easier for me to see because I've gone through the 338 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.440 journey of learning and figuring it all out, but I 339 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.000 feel like, you know, when it's pretty black and white 340 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:18.920 when it comes down to it, if you say you 341 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.559 believe in the Bible and you are believing in Christ 342 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.119 and in God, well then I feel like it's pretty simple. 343 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:26.599 It's are you going to trust the Word? Are you 344 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:28.839 going to trust man? Are you going to trust the 345 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.000 scientists or are you going to trust the one who 346 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.279 created everything? I feel like it's really simple when you 347 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:35.839 put it down to those terms. 348 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:38.160 It's a great example. 349 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.279 And I'm not browbeating anyone by any way, shape or 350 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.519 form with my next statement, because everybody was there was 351 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:46.559 a lot of people who were put some pretty precarious 352 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:53.720 positions during twenty twenty. But when they started, let's just 353 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.480 use COVID as as an example, when they started pushing 354 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.680 the fear porn, did we turn to God or did 355 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:01.599 we turn and to the guy with a white lab 356 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:03.319 coat that had MD at the end of his name. 357 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:06.720 Everybody turned to that guy. 358 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.079 Yeah, and look how many people that it harmed. And 359 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:17.440 you know, I the older I get, the more you 360 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.559 do this, the more you read, the more you realize 361 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.319 that just about everything is some type of conspiracy. That 362 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:27.000 there's not a whole lot of things that we are 363 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.000 taught or that we are told, whether it be on 364 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.920 the medical side of the house or even even bigger 365 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.200 our history. Right, you know, we're told that Abraham Lincoln 366 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.519 was the greatest president ever. And if anybody would take 367 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.799 five minutes, and you can even go in the state 368 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:45.920 of Illinois Historical website and read the things that this 369 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:50.640 guy said between nineteen fifty eight nineteen sixty two. It's 370 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.200 just there. It's not George saying this. 371 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:53.640 Right. 372 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:55.880 When I read something in the Bible, for instance, when 373 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.839 it says if I say it in front of a 374 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:01.279 group of people, well the Bible says a woman can't 375 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:03.559 be a pastor, people get mad at me and I say, 376 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:04.359 I didn't write it. 377 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.559 I didn't write it, And it's the same with that. 378 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.799 It's just, you know, frustrating, and a lot of it 379 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:16.119 I can't figure out. I can't decide if it's like 380 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:20.599 willful ignorance or if it's just if it's just comfortability 381 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:24.039 and not wanting to change any way that you're sitting 382 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:28.440 in your worldview. I can't figure out why it's I 383 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.000 don't know. It's frustrating. I didn't and I don't want 384 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:35.200 anybody to believe anything because they're told. Like I don't 385 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.799 want to just tell someone the earth is flat and 386 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.799 then okay, it's flat. I want them to understand why, 387 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:43.039 and then you know why it's important that we know, 388 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.880 because that's a big thing I get A lot is is, well, 389 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.039 why does it matter what shape the Earth is, and 390 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.920 I feel like it matters a lot, because especially if 391 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.119 you look at arguments against Christianity or the Bible. That's 392 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:58.920 a big one they like to bring up, is that, 393 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.039 Oh it's it's a book written on like Bronze Age 394 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:05.720 science with a flat Earth series in it. Uh, maybe 395 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:08.000 there's a reason why. So let's you know, maybe you 396 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.880 could look into why, and not to mention that a 397 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:13.720 bunch of other societies from all over the world also 398 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.920 have a flat earth model of the globe as well. 399 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:24.839 And while technology obviously has become more advanced, that doesn't 400 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.119 necessarily mean by any stretch of the imagination, society as 401 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:32.160