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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Speaker 2: Right before we get into Apollo, we need to get

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into Nexus Magazine. I published the UK edition of Nexus

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Magazine comes from Australia and as I say, there are

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two types of people in the world, those who read

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Nexus and those who are about to This is the CoA.

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Speaker 1: In this episode of The Paranormal Peep Show, we pay

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tribute to Marcus Allen, who recently passed away in January

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twenty twenty six. Marcus was the UK publisher of Nexus

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Magazine as well as a speaker on the Apollo hoax theory,

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and I first met him in twenty eighteen at one

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of Ben Ending Jones's conferences. It was soon after that

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that I invited Marcus to come onto The Paranormal Peep

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and he gave a splendid demonstration of all the problems

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associated with the NASA project of the nineteen sixties and seventies,

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of how the shadows didn't align up correctly, other technical

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aspects of the Apollo missions, and both Andy and I

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were enthralled to listen to him explain all this in detail,

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and we went on to record a second show with him,

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and then went on to produce early episodes of The

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Apollo Detectives, where he contributed greatly to those shows throughout.

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And it's a sad loss now to the world of

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the alternative views and paranormal and the Apollo Hoax theorists

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that we've now lost sadly Marcus. So please listen to

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this show that we recorded a few years back, about

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seven years ago, where Marcus first came on to our

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program to discuss our Apollo hoax theory with us. But

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please enjoy this program as a tribute to the memory

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of Marcus Allen, who passed away in January twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show. My name's

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Andy Chaplin and I'm sitting here with co host Neil

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Speaker 1: Hello, Andy, I have been fine. I've been very very busy,

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always busy. I'm trying to work out how to make

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DVDs for someone's birthday party that I've filmed back in June.

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working and doing lots of research as usual into the

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paranormal and things that are not quite so paranormal, like

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conspiracy theories and things like that.

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Speaker 3: What about you, Yeah, basically sweltering, So for anyone in America,

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you guys normally have the hot weather, but in our

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case we've actually got the hot weather as well. We've

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went down to Gloucester and had a weekend in the

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log cabin with a hot tub and some friends and yeah,

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that was very enjoyable. Did canoeing for the first time

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nine miles down the river y, which was quite quite

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a stretch, I have to say, but very enjoyable and

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slightly precarious. Didn't fall in, but did ground the boat

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a couple of times. We had to get out and

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the boat off the rocks, So that was quite fun.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like The Deer Hunter and all those kind

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of films where you sort of get chased by a

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mad xmen in the woods and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Deer Hunter without the Vietcong just kind of yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you obviously had a good few of the night

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in the in the forest, just looking up at the

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stars and the moon and enjoying the sights.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And any satellites and spaceships and UFO's fly over night.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there were, although some of my friends

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were acting rather strange. It could have been an alien induction,

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Speaker 1: So no little Apollo capsules going around in orbit.

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Speaker 3: Then no, not as yet, Not as yet. However, our

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because our next guest is somebody who I've been interested

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one of the granddaddy's of conspiracy. Really, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: And we have got none other than Marcus Allen, probably

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Marcus. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Indeed, I rarely appreciate the invitation

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examination of as you said, one of the top three

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alleged conspiracy theories of the twentieth century twenty first century.

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woo woo, a little bit kind of strange, people talk

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about grab your tin four hat. Well, I suppose you

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don't even believe that we landed on the moon type

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Speaker 4: You know, is the one to talk about, really, isn't it.

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suppression of the information has eventually led to the most

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likely identification of the perpetrators of that crime that has

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which was November ninety sixty three. Anybody under the age

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of about fifty will think this is all very history

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and something which maybe doesn't apply to them. But listen up, guys,

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it applies to you because the same techniques are being

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successfully to have worked in the twentieth century. So it

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may be history in the events, but what is not

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Speaker 3: So essentially, I mean they if they did hoax it,

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a hoax. But now telling you the truth, it's going

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to be an ongoing lie if indeed that is the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And there are many people who will

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look rather askance at yourself. You know, if you said

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it on television' This is how can you not believe

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something you've seen on television? Well, come on, you know,

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Speaker 3: I remember I remember seeing you, I think, first of all,

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John Ronson. Whether it was a title that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think he was talking about UFOs on that particular

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Speaker 2: Wasn't can seller on the show I was on? In fact,

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Speaker 4: Ninety seven.

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magazines and a Nomarcus that you're the is it the

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Speaker 2: I'm the publisher and distributor of Nexus Magazine UK, which

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Speaker 3: I see Marcus, just quickly tell us what next magazine

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Speaker 2: Nexus Magazine is the world's top selling alternative news magazine,

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i e. Not fake news is It covers hidden history,

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alternative health, where you get treatments that may well be successful.

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those subjects, hidden history, alternative health, future science, politics, conspiracies,

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they're all tied together. If you understand how they interlink

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Speaker 4: They calls them joining the dots, doesn't they.

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Speaker 2: It's basically joining the dots. Nexus Magazine's been published since

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five percent of it is true. The trouble is we

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Speaker 4: And if people want it Nexus Magazine. Is there a

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Speaker 2: If you want to buy the hard copy of Nexus Magazine,

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which is always the best thing to read in the

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view of a camera. Now again I have to say,

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these are film cameras we're going to be talking about,

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not digital cameras. Digital cameras record information very differently from

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film cameras. A film, a photographic film is a piece

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of emulsion, piece of plastic which has light sensitive chemicals

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on them, which when light hits those chemicals they react

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in certain ways. The film is then put through wet

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chemicals to develop the film and to set the developed

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film so that it doesn't fade or change the recording image.

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And what you have then is a photograph. There are

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two types of photographs. You can either have a reversal image,

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which is what we would refer to as a transparency

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it's a piece of clear film in effect with colored

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immersion on it, which you can project onto a screen.

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people were familiar with, taking color negative films. Again, it's

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processed through chemicals, wet chemicals, and you then put it

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into an enlarger or a projector and you print the

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photograph that you want, which will come out in the reverse.

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already a positive image all the things. Now, that may

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sound a bit technical, but it's necessary to understand that

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what we're going to be looking at are photographs taken

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with transparency material which have been projected to produce a

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print image, which is what you see in newspapers, magazines,

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and books. There's are print images. So what we're looking

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at as a print image. Now, a photographic film has

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certain limitations behind it. You may have heard that film

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has a certain speed or sensitivity. ASA American Standards Association

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or ISO International Standards Organization are the main way, and

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four hundred and twenty two hundred and four hundred VISA

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standard film speeds and the higher the number, the more

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sensitive the film. Digital images use similar type of terminology,

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but they can go much higher. They can record much less,

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much lower levels of light, so you can see in

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a digital image something that you wouldn't necessarily be able

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to see at all on a film image anyway. Having

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trained as a photographer and I know the difference between

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film and digital, I know what cameras can and can't do.

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I know how whether that the type of lens that

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a camera has will determine the quality of the image

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it finally produces, because it can resolve much more detail

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projecting onto a film. Obviously, the better the lens, the

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more expensive it is. Now the cameras that we used

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on Apollo I discovered were Hasselblad. Now Hasselblad seemed a

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very strange choice of camera. Hasselblad is a very good camera,

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there's no dispute about that at all. But is what's

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called medium format Seventy milimeter film is used seventy milimeter

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two and a quarter inch square, is the other way

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of determining it. The cameras that most people would be

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familiar with will be referred to as thirty five millimeter

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cameras because the film wid is thirty five millimeters and

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so you've got a much smaller area of film to

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record the detail. So the medium format camera you can

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get large cameras up to ten by eight inches which

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I've used in studios situations. A Hassleblad camera is normally

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used in a photographic studio. It is not a sort

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of camera you would carry around to photograph, should we say, wartime,

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you would use the thirty five meter camera because they're

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much more portable, easy to use, easier to carry, they're

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much less weight, they can be stored more easily. So

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on Apollo they use the Hassleblad camera. And the hassele

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Blad cameras are very very good cameras, no dispute about that.

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The lenses are very good. Indeed, ironically the lenses for

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the Hasseleblood camera which was supplied by Victor Hasselblad, which

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is a company in Sweden based in Stockholm where they

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still make cameras today. They're very very very good and

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very expensive cameras. They're still made today. More or less

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they look the same now as they did fifty years ago.

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It's extraordinary they got the design right first time out the.

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Speaker 4: Market essentially saying that they're odd cameras to use. Is

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it the weight? Is there more to it than that?

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Speaker 3: Why would they be more suitable to a studio as

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opposed to you know, as you say, like war photography

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or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Right, if you're going to be prancing around on the

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lunar surface, as we're told these guys were, they would

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need to because they had very severe limitations of use.

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They had to attach the cameras to their spacesuits so

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they could keep their arms free to salute the flag

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and talk to the president and pick up the rocks,

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which is logical, but it would be more sensible to

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have because of weight. Don't forget that all the stories

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we heard about the weight of everything on Apollo was

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very important and they had to be as light as possible.

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They're carrying heavy cameras with heavy lenses, where they could

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have carried much lighter cameras with much lighter lenses to

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produce the same result if they'd carried Nikon thirty five

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cannon thirty five millimeter cameras. However, they used Hasselblad, and

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they used large magazines which carried films which could be

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exposed to over two hundred images per role of magazine.

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They were using lenses which had polarizing filters attached to them.

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What a polarizing filter on the moon? Now, all right,

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that may sound Okay, most people will say, well, it

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makes sense why not have a polarizing filter because you'll

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get better images as a result of it. You won't

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get the glare that you would you use a polarizing

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filter to eliminate. But you have to use a viewfinder

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to use a polarizing filter. These cameras didn't have a viewfinder.

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Speaker 3: Explain why you would need a viewfinder for using a

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polarized filter. And just for people who might not know

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what a polarizing filter actually does, what it is and does.

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Speaker 2: A polarizing filter will allow certain frequency of light to

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come through from a certain direction. When you look at,

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say a road surface, with the sun straight ahead of you,

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you'll get reflections off that road surface. Yes, if you

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want to eliminate those reflections, because those reflections are reflected

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or fit in a certain certain angles, you use a

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polarizing filter to eliminate them. Because the polarizing filter will

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eliminate certain frequencies of light in certain directions. Now that

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that does produce very what's called saturated images. You use

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it to enhance the blue of the sky. If you've

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heard of using it here on Earth, they're quite well.

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They wanted to use a polarizing filter on the Moon.

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I'm not quite sure, because there was no blue sky

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to photograph, obviously, because there's no atmosphere to create the

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blue sky in the first place, because blue is at

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the longer wavelength of light, and that's why we see

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blue sky rather than red sky. You get red sky

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where the frequency of light is higher. In anyway, let's

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not get into the detail of that. But in order

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to operate a polarizing filter, which you twists, it is

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a circular lens and it moves in a circular direction,

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and normally you would use you would look through the

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viewfinder while you were while you were operating the polarizing

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filter to ensure that you've got the angles right. You

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can't see them with the naked eye. You use the

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polarizing filter for it. So I use polarized sunglasses to

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eliminate the glare certain glare. Anyway, they took the viewfinder away.

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Speaker 4: So basically they're guessing and hoping for the best.

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Speaker 2: They're hoping for the best. In fact, there is no

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film I've ever found, and no reference to it that

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I've ever found, that anybody on the alleged lunar surface

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ever used a polarizing filter, because it'd be quite obvious

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if they were using it, because they'd be talking about it,

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and you could see the hand moving the lens on

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the front of the camera, which is not shown on

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the front of any camera that is taken up on

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any of the astronauts that were on the Moon. But

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the key point is there was no viewfinder in these cameras,

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none of them, and the reason for that was very simple.

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of the camera. You look down into it. It's a

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single enjur reflex, so you're looking through the lens on

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the camera, whatever lens you happen to use. There are

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various lenses you can use. On a Hassle Black camera,

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you look through the lens. Most people are familiar with

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a single ensuryflex camera. You look through the lens at

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what the picture is you want to take. If you

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use the likea is the other camera which has a

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rangefinder viewfinder, it's you're looking through the lens. You're looking

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through a separate image, a separate smaller lens to the

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side of the lens through which the image will be

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taken anyway on the hasslebag cameras. They were looking through

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the lens. But because they couldn't get their head down

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in their spacesuits to look through the lens, NASA and

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their wisdom said, well, let's take the lens away. Now,

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they take the viewfinder away. The viewfinder, in effect, is

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a mirror which the light coming through the lens is

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reflected up into the eyepiece, which is what you look

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at when you're looking through a viewfinder. So they took

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the mirror away because when you normally you take a

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photograph and you hear a click, and that's normally the

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mirror going up out of the way, so that the

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light instead of going onto the mirror, goes onto the film,

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which is directly behind the mirror, and its recorded on

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the film. But if you didn't have a viewfinder, you

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wouldn't have a click. So there's no means of knowing

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if you'd actually taken a photograph. Oh, you say, well,

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there's be a counter on the camera. Yes, there is.

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They're very very small. It's about half an inch in diameter.

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If that on the side of the camera, which can't

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be seen from inside of a spacesuit either, Well, obviously

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you just pressed the shutter button. Well, you can't see

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the shutter button from inside the spacesuit either. So with

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all these limitations of use, you're wearing a spacesuit which

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has armored gauntlets because of the micrometeorite damage which you

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could have. It's pressurized four point eight pounds per square

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inch pressure because there's the vacuum of space, you know,

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you have humans have to take their own pressure otherwise

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we'll get the bends.

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Speaker 3: And I also would have thought, Marcus, if a space

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suit was pressurized, wouldn't it become too rigid to actually

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move in?

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Speaker 2: Of course it would, of course it would.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, if it's if it's pressurized to kind

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of like deal with something like the moon surface, you

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wouldn't even be able to bend your arms, surely.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not, of course you can't. I mean,

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you know, these are the questions which start getting asked.

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I mean, that's a perfectly valid question which has never

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ever been answered.

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Speaker 4: How hot? How hot is the surface of the Moon

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with sunlight hitting it?

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Speaker 2: If you're in sunlight two hundred and fifty degrees fahrenheit

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one hundred and twenty degrees centigrade.

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Speaker 4: And it takes one hundred degrees to boil a kettle.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it one hundred degrees to boil a kettle?

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Speaker 3: So they're going way over boiling temperature.

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Speaker 2: Yes. No, there's one point which I think we need

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to clarify right now, because certain supporters of the NASA

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fantasy will say, oh, they landed early in the lunar morning,

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so that it wasn't very hot. Life guys, do your science,

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all right. What they're saying is that in the same

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way on Earth at dawn it is much cooler than

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it would be at say, lunchtime. I mean recent weather

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in the UK and probably all over the world. Most

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people will be familiar with the fact that it's cooler

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in the morning than it is at lunchtime, and that

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is because the sun rising shining through the Earth's atmosphere,

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the power of the sun is reduced compared to the

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equivalent sun overhead on Earth. On the Moon, there's no atmosphere.

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As the sun rises above the horizon of the Moon,

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wherever it happens to be, sunlight hitting any object will

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heat that object immediately.

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Speaker 3: So it's more of a binary thing, isn't it. Whereas

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we've got kind of like us, as you could call

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it analogue sunlight.

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Speaker 4: The moon has got bind it's either on or it's off.

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It's like it's cold, it's off.

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Speaker 2: Now, there is some very interesting proof of that, this

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idea that as a spacecraft allegedly sat on the lunar

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surface early in the lunar morning, which was correct, and

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the reason for that was so that the sun would

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cast definitive shadows so that they would show up well

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in the photographs, rather than having the sun overhead at

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midday on the Moon, which is actually about six or

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seven days after it, because the moon takes thirteen days

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for one day of light on the Moon. So what

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you've got is the sun coming over the surface immediately

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heats any object it hits to its full temperature. I

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mentioned the proof of that, I said, the proof of

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this is when the first astronaut were operating on the

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original space station and not Mere it was the one

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that followed that before the International Space Station, and the

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astronauts were creating it, and they were working out of

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the Space Shuttle which was there, and they complained about

474
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,119
how cold their hands got when they were in the

475
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shadow of the Earth. Because if you're in the space

476
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,079
station you spend half your time in the shadow of

477
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,240
the Earth. Well, it varies depending on the orbit angles,

478
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,039
but about say, let's say half your time is spent

479
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,720
in the shadow of the Earth. When they were trying

480
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,759
to work in the shadow of the Earth, they said

481
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their hands got so cold they couldn't feel them. As

482
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I said, let me say, stupid, it can't be that

483
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cold up in the space stage. You're not very far away.

484
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,960
It's only two hundred miles up. So they took temp

485
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:57,920
thermometers up there to record the temperatures as the shuttle

486
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:04,400
moved from sunlight into darkness, and sure enough, as it

487
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,440
moved into darkness, temperatures fell almost immediately. And as the

488
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same space shuttle, then about half an hour forty five

489
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:18,160
minutes later, moved into sunlight. The actual quote is within

490
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a few minutes the temperatures had ridden. The temperature has

491
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risen through over one hundred degrees. What's going on, Well,

492
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:32,359
of course that's what happens in space. Where you've got sunlight,

493
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which is the radiant energy of the Sun, hitting any object,

494
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:40,160
it will immediately heat it. And when that object moves

495
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into the shadow in this case of the Earth, it

496
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will immediately cool.

497
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Speaker 3: Down, so presumably, I mean the materials that NASA used

498
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for the space suits and the boots, etc. I mean,

499
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they would have to go way beyond boiling point. I mean,

500
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I would have thought that would start to melt rub

501
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,839
and start to melt plastic, And especially if they're kind

502
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,480
of like going in the shade and then back in

503
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,000
the sunlight and back in the shade and back in

504
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,319
the sunlight. I mean, that's like kind of like you know,

505
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,680
going in a sawd and immediately going into an ice

506
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,839
bucket and back again.

507
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Speaker 4: And that can't be healthy for the materials used.

508
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: You've got it, You've got it, absolutely spot on. Exactly.

509
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,759
There's a five hundred degree fahrenheit range of temperatures that

510
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:31,319
these magic spacesuits have to cope with. I say magic

511
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,920
spacesuits because we've only talked about heat at this point.

512
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,319
We haven't talked about radiation. Certainly haven't mentioned micrometeorite impact.

513
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,599
We certainly haven't mentioned what happens if you fall over.

514
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: Let's let's go into the radiation side of things. One

515
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,559
of the one of the big contentions that moon landing

516
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,160
hoax theorists come up with is that the Van Allen

517
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:02,000
belt is preventing space shuttles and asternal going through space.

518
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,759
So one of the rebuttals was a video from somebody

519
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:11,119
called Curious Android. I think, Neil, you've heard of the.

520
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,799
Speaker 4: Curious and Curious Droyd is called Curius Droyd.

521
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct.

522
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I have to.

523
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,079
Speaker 3: Say I haven't got an academic head, so I can't

524
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,559
get my head around the science bit. But what he

525
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,759
seemed to be saying was, well, actually they only went

526
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000
around the Van Allen Belt, and they only spent about

527
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,559
three hours in the Van Allen Belt, in the weakest

528
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,640
part of it apparently, and then when they came back again,

529
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,920
they went through the weakest part of it for only

530
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,200
three hours, so probably only the equivalent of say a

531
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:42,960
chest exlay or something like that.

532
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: What would be your rebuttal on that claim.

533
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:50,319
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you want to believe the sort

534
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:54,680
of fantasy that that's been put Paul Schillertoe's his real name, right,

535
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,279
Curious Droyd nice a lovely little lady in a Raka

536
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:04,559
who does a similar sort of job called Amy, talks

537
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,839
about space and promotes NASA and bigs them up all over.

538
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,839
Speaker 1: The place space. I think she presents is it. That's right, Yeah,

539
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,839
Vintage Space if anyone wants to check out.

540
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: The space has huge viewing numbers. Obviously they admire lovely

541
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,799
ladies as well over there, which quite right too, which

542
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:23,839
is probably why I haven't got very high viewing figures

543
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:31,000
because I was to watch these moon landings live back

544
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:37,119
in London in ninety sixty nine. Anyway, Yes, this idea

545
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,440
that the Van Allen radiation belts are the showstopper of

546
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,119
space travel or human space travel, was first put forward,

547
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:50,240
ironically by the man after whom these belts are named,

548
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:55,119
Professor James Van Allen of Iowa University. In nineteen fifty nine,

549
00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:01,039
an article was published in Scientific American Mar thirteenth edition.

550
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:04,759
I believe it was in which he said that until

551
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,840
it is possible to protect humans, I'm paraphrasing. These are

552
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,440
not direct quotes. Until this is possible to protect humans,

553
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,679
space travel will be beyond Earth orbit will be very

554
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:25,320
difficult without several feet of lead to protect them. Now,

555
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,679
lead being a very very heavy, ie a very dense material,

556
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,800
does protect against radiation. If you're going to have a

557
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,079
tooth X ray, which is basically X rays, the technician

558
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:44,480
will be wearing a lead apron. Because radiation in the

559
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:48,239
human body is cumulative, you're only going to have one

560
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,599
X ray. The technician operating the equipment will be exposed

561
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,280
if they weren't wearing their lead apron, to dozens, if

562
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,159
not hundreds, of similar short bursts of radiation. So the

563
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,039
idea that you can track all right, the Valan and

564
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,480
radiation belts. There are two of them. They start at

565
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:11,559
about one thousand miles maybe a bit less five hundred

566
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:14,880
miles above the Earth surface. There is something called the

567
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,480
South Atlantic Anomaly, which if you rarely want to get

568
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:24,440
technical about it is where there is a lower level,

569
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,800
about two hundred miles above the earth surface, part of

570
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,920
the Valan radio the inner valen And radiation belt comes

571
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,400
down over basically over Brazil, hence the South Atlantic Anomaly,

572
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:40,039
and spacecraft traveling through it, which they do on reasonably

573
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:44,280
frequent occasions in normal orbit, have to switch a lot

574
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,199
of their equipment off to prevent it being damaged by radiating,

575
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:51,559
because radiation will damage electronic equipment.

576
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: I'll say to remember Marcus, he's saying that there was

577
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,280
an American news channel or something like NBC who sent

578
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,199
up guigecounters to measure it, and they kept malfunctioning. They

579
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:03,880
thought there was a problem, but it was actually the

580
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,920
radiation was so high that they actually couldn't get a

581
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,440
proper reading.

582
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 4: They just malfunctioned.

583
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, in fact, that was actually the experiment that was

584
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,360
conducted by James Van Allen because he had theorized that

585
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,679
these belts existed. They're sent up what's called sounding rockets,

586
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:24,719
which are basically very primitive rockets in the late nineteen fifties,

587
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:31,360
and Explorer one, which the first major launch by America

588
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,119
of an unmanned rocket, was sent up and James Van

589
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:39,000
Allen put a gager counter on it to basically measure

590
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,639
the levels of radiation in the Van Allen radio. Well,

591
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,880
they won't called that then the radiation belts and it failed.

592
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,239
No readings came back and once they got once they

593
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,719
looked at the evidence and they got their rocket back.

594
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,079
I think they got the gag counter back. They found

595
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,920
it was just it has stopped working because it was overloaded.

596
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,599
And the statement about James Van Allen said was space

597
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,800
is radioactive.

598
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: One of my other one of my other sciencey friends, Marcus.

599
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,800
For those listening, I was actually trying to get a

600
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,199
friend of mine who's who's quite into science and quite

601
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,679
into rocketry, who does believe we landed on the moon

602
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:25,480
to come online and talk about it. Unfortunately he's he's

603
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:28,320
either busy or he's not replying whatever. But hopefully we'll

604
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,880
get him on another show. But there's another after the case,

605
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,519
so fine, Yeah, yeah.

606
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 4: I don't think.

607
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: I don't think, because he did accept the challenge and

608
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,599
he was quite ready to come on. But I think

609
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,280
it's just lack of time. But one of my other

610
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,880
science he friends, who doesn't believe he went to the moon,

611
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:47,800
basically says that space there are some parts of space

612
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,360
that are very hot in terms of like the radiation.

613
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,719
He reckons the Van Allen Belt is actually like super

614
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
hot because of the somebody to do with the ions

615
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,599
heating up. This goes way over my head. Have you

616
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:01,440
heard that one at all?

617
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: I've heard that one. I too don't quite follow the science.

618
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:09,199
So there are people who say that space is hot. Now,

619
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,719
space can't be hot, Space can't be cold. Space has

620
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,920
nothing to have a temperature. Space is empty. So if

621
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,000
you put something in space like the Earth or the

622
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,800
Moon or Saturn or Jupiter or a spacecraft, it will

623
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,480
have a temperature. It can't help but have a temperature

624
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,639
because it will receive the radiant energy of the Sun.

625
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,519
In our case, that's why here on Earth we operate

626
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,599
at this particular at the temperature we do, because we

627
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:44,000
have the Earth receives radiant energy of the Sun. It's

628
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,599
called the solar constant. It's the amount of energy received

629
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,119
on the air surface is thirteen hundred and fifty watts

630
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,760
per square meter. That's quite a lot of energy. And

631
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,679
you think now it some of that energy is going

632
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,440
to be reflected back by clouds, some of it's going

633
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,400
to be absorbed, which is rather useful by the atmosphere

634
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,239
and eventually by us by the oceans, which is why

635
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:14,440
the oceans don't freeze because they've absorbed solar energy and

636
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:19,519
we have a very stable environment. It is a magnificent system.

637
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,920
Whoever designed the Earth as a stable system did a

638
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,360
very good job, because it's been around for we're told

639
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,800
billions of years. It's still here today in a matter

640
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,920
of the amount of abuse that humans have managed to

641
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,800
inflict on it, which has obviously not affected it very badly,

642
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,519
because it's still operating much the same as it was

643
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,760
one hundred years ago. Five hundred years ago, a thousand

644
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,320
years ago, probably ten thousand years ago, and then things

645
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,679
got a bit pear shaped because something hit the Earth

646
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,079
rather hard, melted the ice caps, and the water levels

647
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:56,440
rose fo hundred feet and everybody got drowned. But that's

648
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,159
another story.

649
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: I was going to say, the Earth out of its

650
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,960
guarantee period. Now, what I was going to say, just

651
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,599
going back to the radiation slightly, is that I came

652
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,840
across in my own research from my various aliens on

653
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,400
the Moon talks and things like that. Was a nineteen

654
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,239
fifties film, I think in my about fifty six to

655
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,159
fifty seven something like that. Vern von Brown obviously who

656
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,480
worked for NASA. You brought over an operation paper clip

657
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:27,199
from the Second World War. He was originally an SS

658
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,960
scientist working for the Nazis on rocket tree and V

659
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,239
ones and V twos and things, but he was the

660
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,840
guy behind the NASA project Apollo with the Saturn five

661
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,159
space rocket. In this nineteen fifties film, he's talking about

662
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,880
proposed mission to the Moon, and this is before they've

663
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,800
even designed the Satin five, and he's shown a great

664
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,280
big model which looks something out of Star Wars or thunderbirds,

665
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,800
that kind of thing. Very impressive model, and he's talking

666
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,360
you through the various sections of the model. Here's the cockbit,

667
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,880
but just beyond the cop bit, and he shows this

668
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,960
large umbrella type device, maybe like a reverse of a

669
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,880
satellite dish, and this is to protect the astronauts from

670
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,760
the deadly radiation they will encounter in space. Now, that

671
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,840
is interesting he mentioned that, and yet there's no such

672
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,480
device on the Satin five later when it went out.

673
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,400
There's no umbrella type device at the front of the

674
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,840
ship or on the Apollo capsule. And yet he even

675
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,079
acknowledged there was deadly radiation in space.

676
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes he did. In fact, it's interesting you

677
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,719
mentioned Verno von Bryan because if he hadn't died when

678
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,880
he did in nineteen seventy seven, I think it was,

679
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,239
he would have been prosecuted by the International War Crimes

680
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,039
Tribunal for crimes against humanity while he was working in Germany.

681
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,840
Basically he used slave labor, and he was about to

682
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,719
be prosecuted. He was one of many dozen Nazi war

683
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,079
criminals brought over on as you mentioned, under Operation paper Clip,

684
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,960
to provide their expertise to the American who weren't trying

685
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,599
to launch these rockets, which the Nazis obviously did. Two

686
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,000
and a half thousand V twos landed on London, so

687
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,760
they worked. And the V ones were basically cruise missiles

688
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,360
which were easier to get rid of because if you

689
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,840
flew alongside them you could tip them over. They crash,

690
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,599
so they didn't damage people. But the V two rockets

691
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,920
were basically ballistic missiles and they would go up way

692
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,599
outside the atmosphere, come down, and well thousands of people

693
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,760
died in London as a result of it. Thanks guys,

694
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,960
you know. And then he goes over to America. And

695
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,039
if you look at pictures of the Saturn five rocket,

696
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,000
they have the same markings on them as the V

697
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:44,079
two rockets did. I mean, you know, these guys weren't

698
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,679
trying to hide what they were or what they did.

699
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,639
They were just pleased to get the work. But Vernovon

700
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,199
Brown worked closely with Walt Disney. Walt Disney and Vernavon

701
00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:00,639
Brown were politically aligned. It's now now that at Disney

702
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,159
was basically a fascist. He was a very good filmmaker

703
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,760
and he employed a lot of very talented people, and

704
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,159
he created some fantastic films basically fantasists. They were children's

705
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:20,039
fairy stories brought to life. Cinderella, Fantasia, all the famous ones,

706
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:27,320
and then Mickey Mouse, probably his greatest creation. All these

707
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:35,880
were fantasies. Walt Disney, being a skilled filmmaker, is more

708
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,880
than like to have had a hand in creating some

709
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,679
of the artwork or even the films which were purported

710
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,159
to have been taken by astronauts in space, which NASA

711
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,599
now relentlessly promote as evidence for their landing on the Moon.

712
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: So, going back a little bit to sort of basics

713
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,119
for those who might not know much about the Apollo missions,

714
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,480
So the the one that apparently made it to the

715
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,920
to the moon was that was Apollo eleven, wasn't it.

716
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,639
That's the first one that was allegedly landed on the Moon.

717
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:14,639
So that that comprised of basically a rocket booster to

718
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,719
get it into space, and on top of that, you've

719
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,239
got the lunar orbiter, and then connected to the lunar orbiter,

720
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,880
you've got the lunar lander, and connected to the lunar lander,

721
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,039
you've got the lunar rover.

722
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,079
Speaker 4: Is that correct? In that order?

723
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:32,199
Speaker 2: Very simple?

724
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:32,639
Speaker 4: Uh?

725
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: Up to a point. Apollo eleven was not the first

726
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,199
mission that allegedly reached the moon.

727
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,119
Speaker 4: Okay.

728
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: The first mission to do so was Apollow eight.

729
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 4: Okay, that was an unmanned one. I think that.

730
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: No, No, it was manned. There were three on board.

731
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,800
They didn't they did not land on the moon.

732
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 3: Okay, right right, let's let's let's let's go. Let's focus

733
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,000
on the the actual one that's allegedly landed on the moon.

734
00:44:59,119 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 4: Was that.

735
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: The first one that allegedly landed was the third mission

736
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,000
to the moon. There was an Apollo ten, which was

737
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:11,559
also did not land, but had astronauts on board. Apollo

738
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:14,920
eleven was the first one that we're told landed. Yeah,

739
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,280
that was the most famous one. That was July twentieth,

740
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,480
nineteen sixty nine.

741
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: Okay, And that just describe allegedly what what the whole

742
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,159
thing comprised of that took off.

743
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: Okay, the Saturn five rocket, most people would be familiar

744
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,920
with pictures of it is a whacking great thing, three

745
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,960
hundred and sixty five foot high. Ye weighed three thousand tons.

746
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,760
Virtually all of that ninety nine percent of it, ninety

747
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,679
nine point nine percent of it was fuel because it

748
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,000
was a chemical rocket, liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen brought together,

749
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,360
pumped through. I mean, can you imagine the logistics of

750
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,519
pumping tons of liquid hydrogen and so anyway, the thing

751
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:03,079
takes off clouds of smoke, clouds of huge flames, big noise,

752
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,880
millions of people watching it. That existed, that was real.

753
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Two minutes after it leaves the launch pad, it disappears

754
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:17,960
from sight. It's fifty miles away. The first stage, the

755
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,960
first stage of the rocket then is jettisoned.

756
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: Because are these two boost rockets on the side.

757
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 4: Are those the two that's the space shuttle? Right?

758
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: That that came much later?

759
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 4: Oh, that's later, right, Okay?

760
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,079
Speaker 2: And in fact, there is a question if if the

761
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,639
if the Saturn five did what we're told it did,

762
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:40,239
why do you need to invent another rocket space shuttle okay,

763
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,239
which couldn't even do half the job the Saturn five

764
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:43,639
could do.

765
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: So that the Sun five with a single big rocket,

766
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,199
and it was three rockets in one, three rockets in one, Okay.

767
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,440
It takes off huge, great clouds of such like fifty

768
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,880
miles down range. It's left site, it's out of sight.

769
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:03,800
The first stage I basically the first half of the

770
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,519
rocket falls away. The second stage now ignites. The second

771
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,079
stage will drive the rocket what remains of the rocket

772
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,199
into Earth orbit, which is in that case it was

773
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,440
one hundred and fifty miles up. Earth orbit is where

774
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,440
a rocket is maintained at a position above the Earth's

775
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:30,760
surface by the centrifugal force trying to move it away

776
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,480
and the gravitational attraction trying to pull it in.

777
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:37,079
Speaker 2: It balances. Because it's balanced, it will orbit the Earth.

778
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,880
And that's what the space station does. Now. After it's

779
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,840
been in Earth orbit for a couple of orbits, by

780
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,159
about three hours, it jettison's its second stage and third

781
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:55,880
stage ignites, which is what's called translunar injection TLI. That

782
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:00,280
accelerates the rocket to escape velocity, which is the speed

783
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,559
you need to have any rocket achieve in order to

784
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:08,920
remove itself from the gravitational attraction of Earth, and that

785
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,159
speed is twenty five thousand miles an hour.

786
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 4: Wow. So you.

787
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: Ignite your third stage. Because the first two two stages

788
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:24,800
have just been jettison fallen into the Atlantic, the third

789
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,880
stage SUTs it on its course to the Moon. On

790
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,880
the top of that rocket is the capsule in which

791
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,639
the three astronauts are lying on their back on little beds,

792
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:42,119
not doing anything because the whole thing is basically automated.

793
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:51,320
Along below them is the lunar lander, and in the

794
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,559
case of the lunar rover that was carried on the

795
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:00,559
three latest missions Polis fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen, it was

796
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,039
a small electrically powered car folded up which fitted into

797
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:09,800
the lunar lander. So when they get into the when

798
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,079
they get close to the Moon, what happens is quite interesting.

799
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,840
As I mentioned, you had to use get to escape

800
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,159
velocity to leave Earth's gravity, and that Earth's gravity requires

801
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:24,840
a speed of twenty five thousand miles an hour nine

802
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,119
point eight meters per second to remove itself. As it

803
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,679
heads towards the Moon, it is slowing down and slowing

804
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,280
down because the earth gravity is still operatingth gravity operates

805
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,800
way out into space, certainly as far as the Moon.

806
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,960
By the time it reaches the equilibrium point, which is

807
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,159
the point where the Earth's gravity is balanced by the

808
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:56,239
Moon's gravity, and we know the Moon has gravity that

809
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,800
is about twenty thousand miles from the Moon's surface. When

810
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,719
it passes that point, it's it's traveling at about two

811
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,920
thousand miles an hour only it's attracted by the lunar

812
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:15,480
gravity and that accelerates it to about four thousand miles

813
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,960
an hour, where it goes into orbit by firing its

814
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,440
engines or retro firing its engines to go into lunar orbit.

815
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,800
This is the command module in which the three astronauts

816
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,039
are living, the lunar Lander, which is attached to the

817
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:36,320
command module. I won't get into how it was attached.

818
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 4: To, Marcus. Marcus, I said, well, we'll get into after

819
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,119
the break.

820
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:41,559
Speaker 3: Sorry to cut you short, but we have a break now,

821
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,719
but we'll get straight back into it after the break

822
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,920
and we'll land the moon then.

823
00:50:48,519 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to the Paranormal UK READI network gobbling free.

824
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 4: That's right.

825
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: So for anyone who's I'm listening now, if you could

826
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,239
go back and listen to section one, this will kind

827
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,880
of clue you in as to where we're going now. So, Marcus,

828
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,360
you were talking about, I think we just jettisoned the

829
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,480
rockets and we've got our lunar orbiter and it's now

830
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,559
orbiting the moon. What's what's the next stages after that?

831
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 2: All right, what's actually orbiting the moon is the stage

832
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,159
three of the Apollo rocket which is actually going to

833
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:40,800
stay attached to the command module, or as it's sometimes

834
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,159
referred to, the Command and Service module, and the rocket

835
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,480
is part of the service part of it. Because the

836
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:51,639
command module itself didn't have any propulsion propulsive ability, it

837
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:53,199
didn't have any rockets, so I had to carry it

838
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,880
with it. So it was a third stage of the

839
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,480
apollo of the Saturn five rocket. The third stage is

840
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,840
what propelled it to the Moon, stayed attached to the

841
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,400
command module, which was attached as you said, in its

842
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,800
as well to the lander, the lunar lander, which was

843
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:15,199
in two sections. It was the descent stage and the

844
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,280
ascent stage. This is when we were talking late nineteen

845
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,639
sixties here, and it would appear that a rocket propelled craft,

846
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,280
which the descent stage of the lunar Lander was, could

847
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,079
land quite comfortably on the lunar surface, which has gravity.

848
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:38,840
It's one sixth the level of gravity as that of Earth.

849
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:45,599
So it detached itself. The lunar Lander detached itself from

850
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:48,880
the command module, which remained in orbit around the Moon

851
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,599
for the length of time that whoever was involved would

852
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,639
be on the lunar surface and would be there to

853
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,639
collect them when they came back again and would then

854
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,559
head back home to Earth to a heroes welcome and

855
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:05,760
a lifetime of trying to maintain the story that's not.

856
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 4: That's not a matter, and free cookies and.

857
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: Free cookies, free cookies. So the lunar land, the lunar lander,

858
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,760
as I said, is in two sections, both of which

859
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,679
are attached together. As they land on the lunar surface,

860
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,480
the astronauts will be there are two astronauts who will

861
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,480
land in the top section. It's in two sections. The

862
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,800
bottom half is what lands and the top section is

863
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,800
what the astronauts live in and will then subsequently take

864
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,000
off using the landed section as the launch pad to

865
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,559
return to the command module. That's basically what happened.

866
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,199
Speaker 3: And the idea in how it returns to the command

867
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,280
module presumably it's kind of trying to sink the orbits,

868
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,360
Is that correct?

869
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,039
Speaker 2: I say it again?

870
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,639
Speaker 3: So in terms of how the ascending module returns to

871
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:00,880
the already orbiting module, how does that connect together?

872
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 4: How does it link together?

873
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:02,119
Speaker 1: All?

874
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,199
Speaker 2: Right? Okay? From a standing start on the allegedly on

875
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:11,079
the lunar surface, the top half of the lunar module

876
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,400
is fired by a four and a half thousand pound

877
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:18,079
thrust rocket off the lunar surface, and we'll come back

878
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:19,960
to a little bit of the difficulties of that in

879
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,559
a minute. Let's assume it happened. Fired off the lunar surface.

880
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:28,440
It accelerates up to the orbit speed of the of

881
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:32,519
the command module, which is in the order of four

882
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,480
thousand miles an hour, faster than a bullet, so it's

883
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:41,440
moving quite rapidly. It has to find it up there

884
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,840
sixty miles above the lunar surface. That's the orbit distance

885
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,599
above the lunar surface ready orbiting craft. So this thing,

886
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,840
from a standing start accelerates up to four thousand miles

887
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,960
an hour. Sees the orbiting command module, says, hi, guys,

888
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,760
here we are. Let's get together again, and so they

889
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,239
dock together, which is an extremely complicated move when you're

890
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,320
moving at four and a half thousand miles an hour

891
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,840
sixty miles above the Earth's surface. And they obviously succeeded

892
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,760
because they're all still alive when they got back to Earth,

893
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:24,199
but that's another story. They then jettison the now finished

894
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,719
with lunar lander, which they had traveled in from the

895
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,400
lunar surface up to the command module. They jettison it

896
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,440
back into the Moon where its impact is, we're told,

897
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:41,880
recorded by the seismometers which had been laid out by

898
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:47,360
the astronauts on APOT eleven, twelve and fifteen. And the

899
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,079
moon rang like a bell, we're told, because if you

900
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:55,199
fire something into the Earth, it won't ring like anything

901
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,880
because it's a solid lump of rock, because solid lumps

902
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,360
of rock don't ring like bells. But the moon, we're told, vibrate, well,

903
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,360
rang like a bell. It vibrates. The vibrations of the

904
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:12,280
impact were recorded, we're told, which makes for an interesting story,

905
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,920
and we might examine that a little bit more detail

906
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:15,519
later on.

907
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: This is actually one of the things that one of

908
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,960
my sciencey friends was talking about. He actually says that

909
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,880
in a way, Earth does ring like a bell.

910
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 4: For listeners of the show, there's quite a bit of like.

911
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: Either research or emailing or messaging that I've done with

912
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,679
with various people to try and get as much science

913
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,280
as possible, and it became overloaded in the end, so

914
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:42,400
finding each bit is kind of a bit of a challenge.

915
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,400
But one of my sciencey friends was saying that the

916
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,599
Earth does also ring a little bit like a bell

917
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,400
in terms of resonance, not so much kind of sound,

918
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:56,760
but in terms of vibration. So apparently in the mainstream

919
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,199
science community they would say that the Earth also does,

920
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,480
being a little bit like a bell.

921
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair enough, because I think it's reasonable to

922
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,239
say that in space no one can hear you scream.

923
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,960
Therefore nobody can hear the moon ringing like a bell,

924
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:14,000
because there's no medium through which the vibration can travel.

925
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,519
If one is going to get scientific about it, and

926
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,760
this idea that there's an interesting corolla coming up here

927
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,639
that a lot of people who claim to have a

928
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,239
science background and understand what the science is all about,

929
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:31,519
will challenge much of what we're going to be discussing

930
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:34,400
or what we have already discussed tonight, and some of

931
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,039
it may well be challengeable. I don't claim to be infallible.

932
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,760
I don't claim to know everything there is to know.

933
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,840
I'm fairly well versed in much of the detail. But

934
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,280
if something appears to me or sounds to me a

935
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,119
logical explanation for an unexplained event, I will take that

936
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:56,559
on board. And I will not say say that is

937
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,760
the only explanation that's possible. I will say I'll take

938
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,280
it on board. I'll look at it if it evidence

939
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,519
or facts or information comes forward which disproves it, Yeah,

940
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:10,519
I'll take that on board as well, because one of

941
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,559
the things I found when people who claim to have

942
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:20,960
a scientific background they understand the science. If I challenge something,

943
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,280
they will say, well, where's the peer reviewed information which

944
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,079
disputes what we've been saying, And have you got any

945
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:32,400
information that you're putting forward that has been peer reviewed,

946
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,599
as if peer reviewed is the gold standard of science,

947
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:38,559
and if it's not been peer reviewed, it's just not

948
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:42,800
worth talking about. This is such absolute crap and nonsense

949
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,159
because it has now been demonstrated beyond any doubt whatsoever,

950
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:53,360
the peer review process has corrupted science, certain aspects of

951
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,800
science beyond almost beyond redemption. It refers to it as

952
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:02,679
pal review. I get your friends involved, I would agree

953
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:05,519
with you. This is not science. This is not the

954
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,800
peer review process we're told is the gold standard of science.

955
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,079
It's more like the medieval church exactly, very very good analogy,

956
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:16,400
because if you don't agree with it, you get burnt

957
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:16,960
at the stake.

958
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean the modern day version of burning

959
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,679
at the steak is.

960
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:21,719
Speaker 4: You lose your job.

961
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,639
Speaker 3: You could lose your funding, you could lose your pension,

962
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:27,599
you could lose your accreditations, all sorts.

963
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,599
Speaker 1: Talking of science and sound, and again I'm not a

964
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,400
scientist and I'm not going to get a peer review

965
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,000
on this. Certainly you were talking about the earth ringing

966
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,079
like a bell. We've both obviously been talking about our

967
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:41,360
talk coming up, and we talked about the fact that

968
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,360
there's videos out there, and it might be Apollo to

969
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,639
our I can't remember which mission where it actually shows

970
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:51,039
sounds on the Moon, and it was supposedly one of

971
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:53,920
the esnauts banging something into the surface of the Moon

972
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:56,280
and you can hear a boom boom, boom boom as

973
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,440
he's banging. And then there's presumably in the same mission,

974
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:02,760
it might be in an emission where the said astronaut

975
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,800
is throwing the discarded hammer over his shoulder, which I

976
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,119
think is pretty irresponsible because it hits the lunar module.

977
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:10,960
I mean, you know who's going to throw a hammer,

978
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:14,559
a technician, an FA teen jet on the border, you know,

979
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:18,679
an aircraft carry they'd get the sack, you know, I mean,

980
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:20,880
that's your only boat home, isn't it really the Apollo

981
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,920
lunar module? And if you smash the window on it.

982
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,519
You're done for. So he throws it at the lunar

983
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,679
module because and you can hear a bomb as it

984
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,840
hits it. Now, I don't quite understand what's going on there.

985
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,960
That shouldn't happen because there's a vacuum in space.

986
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:39,519
Speaker 2: Exactly, good point. That particular sequence is taken from a

987
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:43,599
very interesting film made by an American filmmaker called Jet

988
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,960
windsor the film is called, and you can check it out,

989
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,800
it's called Moon Hoax. Now, it's been up on YouTube

990
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,679
for about a year or so, just over a year.

991
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:55,639
It's had a lot of hits on it, and it

992
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:01,800
shows in disputable because he uses NASA's films in this.

993
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:06,679
It's indisputable that an astronaut allegedly on the Moon throws

994
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:10,519
something up and it hits the lunar module, which is

995
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:13,440
which he's standing beside, and you can hear a sound.

996
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,679
Well in space, as you say, nobody can hear you scream,

997
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:20,199
there shouldn't be any sound. You'll see film of him

998
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,199
using his hammer to try to break up some rocks,

999
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,760
and you hear him hammering it. Now, what's interesting about

1000
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,840
this is the way that the NASA fanboys, as I

1001
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,800
call them, the NASA apologists apology get it? Get it

1002
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:44,079
okay that the NASA apologists try to explain this away. Oh,

1003
01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:48,079
they said, it's the vibration of the hammer traveling through

1004
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:52,920
his spacesuit and being picked up on his throat mic. Well,

1005
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,800
there is. The astronauts were using throat mics, there's no

1006
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,679
doubt about that. But it's very selective in vibration that

1007
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,159
is being picked up. Because the astronauts are standing as

1008
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:09,840
they take off from the lunar surface in their ascent module,

1009
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,800
which is about the size of a couple of big

1010
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,880
phone boxes, a pretty small six foot high, six foot wide,

1011
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,440
and about four foot deep. That's all you've got. So

1012
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:25,320
they're standing in this cramped space with literally at their

1013
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,079
feet a four and a half thousand pounds thrush rocket,

1014
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,639
and as they take off, you don't hear a sound,

1015
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,000
not a penny drop, no rocket, and you hear the

1016
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:38,920
astronauts saying like, oh, what a ride, What a ride,

1017
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:41,800
as if it's sort of some sort of fairground show,

1018
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,559
which it probably was. What was happening was they're more

1019
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:49,679
likely to have been on their simulator, which we know existed,

1020
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,719
which we know the astronauts use for training. They've done

1021
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,639
it a hundred times. They're getting bored out of their skulls,

1022
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,199
and they were trying to have a bit of a laugh.

1023
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:03,599
It's more likely to be the explanation. But these scientific people,

1024
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:09,239
alleged scientific people who try to dispute what people like

1025
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,719
ourselves are challenging NASA, they come forward with even more

1026
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,559
ridiculous theories which are immediately taken apart by anybody who's

1027
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:21,119
examined the subject, as I've just done to try to

1028
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:25,280
demonstrate that the idea of sound on the Moon is ridiculous.

1029
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:29,239
Of course, there's no sound on the real Moon, but

1030
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,000
there is plenty of sound which was probably not damped

1031
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,119
out or removed by these sound technicians recording it. They're

1032
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:37,679
just having to go for a cup of tea at

1033
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:40,320
the time and hammering away at the rock. Oh shit,

1034
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,320
we forgot to cut the sound off.

1035
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,559
Speaker 1: Of course, the interesting thing about the Apollo lunar module

1036
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:52,400
being hit is that in theory they've decompressed the Apollo

1037
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:56,039
module because they've climbed now and they're in their spacesuits,

1038
01:03:56,519 --> 01:03:59,280
and you've then got to argue, why would a they

1039
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,920
leave a microphone switched on in the apollo cabin of

1040
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,920
the craft that they're not using at that moment. And

1041
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:08,440
even so, even if the microphone was left on and

1042
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,639
they left their hatch open or something because they don't

1043
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:11,880
want to shut it because they've got to get back

1044
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,639
inside it, they left the hatch open, there's no air

1045
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:18,800
in there because it's a decompressed chamber, and it's only

1046
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,840
when they climb back inside side their spaces and reconnect

1047
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,519
their systems up to the you know, the tanks or

1048
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:27,800
whatever they have to do to repressurize the craft. Once

1049
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,960
they've shut the door, does once return against the inside

1050
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,840
of the capsule. So you know, you've got to think,

1051
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,079
where is that microphone that's recording that bang? And then obviously,

1052
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,119
if they're going to fake it, they shouldn't really be

1053
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,840
having microphones on the stage anyway. Really, So it's a

1054
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:43,880
bit of a nodoty.

1055
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:47,119
Speaker 2: Isn't it. That's a very good point. You make very

1056
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,880
good point, because it is quite evident that whatever is

1057
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:55,079
being thrown onto the lunar lander, which the astronaut has

1058
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,199
thrown something, whether it's a hammer, I don't know what,

1059
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,280
It doesn't matter what it is he's thrown, but you

1060
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,119
can hear it. There's no doubt whatsoever that you can

1061
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:05,559
hear it hitting the lunar Lander, which, as you say,

1062
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:09,199
had been decompressed. It contained no air, which is another

1063
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:12,639
story in itself, so you shouldn't be able to hear it.

1064
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,079
But if it's on a film set, or if it's

1065
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,840
on a simulation studio set up, yes you will probably

1066
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,199
have microphones around so that you could direct the people

1067
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,840
involved in the set say stand there, or don't stand there,

1068
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,360
or do this, do that, And they just got it wrong.

1069
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,280
But for some reason this was included in an official

1070
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,960
NASA film of alleged landing on the Moon. It makes

1071
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,960
no sense whatsoever, and the explanations to try to dismiss

1072
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,400
it that it's being recorded through the throat mic as

1073
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,760
a result of vibration through the spacesuit couldn't possibly be

1074
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,360
the case on this occasion because the sound is coming

1075
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,719
from nowhere near the spacesuit, is coming from the lunar lander.

1076
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:58,840
As you say, why would they have a microphone live

1077
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:01,559
in the lunar lander when they weren't in it. There

1078
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:04,840
weren't any microphones that could have been live at that point.

1079
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,079
Speaker 3: There's another curest thing that I'm I can't quite work out.

1080
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,519
And Marcus, you might know what the official explanation is

1081
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,840
with the lunar rover. Where on Earth does it attach

1082
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:17,960
to the lunar lander.

1083
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you as you look at the lunar lander, it's

1084
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:23,960
got four legs.

1085
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1086
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: One of those legs contains a ladder down which the

1087
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,280
astronauts will walk to get themselves from the top part

1088
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,000
of it, which is the ascent stage. It's about ten

1089
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:40,480
foot down. If you look at the lunar Lander like that,

1090
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,239
the lunar rover was attached on the right hand side.

1091
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:48,559
There are four quadrants, yeah, because basically the lunar Lander

1092
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:54,280
consisted of a large number of fuel tanks and storage

1093
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:59,800
and equipment and it was it was basically a square

1094
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,480
with a central circular area in which the rocket motor

1095
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:09,920
was mounted, rocket engine was mounted, and these there are

1096
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:14,159
four quadrants around it, and actually there are eight altogether.

1097
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:17,519
There are four quadrants on the corners and four in

1098
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:21,880
the center between the corner quadrants. The lunar rover was

1099
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,719
folded up. It was an incredible design. It did fold

1100
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,360
up so that you would be able to fit a

1101
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:36,159
ten foot long rover into a five foot high section

1102
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,079
of the lunar lander, and it did fit. I've seen

1103
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,360
the photographs of it folded up. I've seen it being

1104
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,079
folded up. And as it is d mounted or removed

1105
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:51,159
from the lunar rover on the lunar surface, allegedly the

1106
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:58,880
wheels will fold down. The chassis of the lander will

1107
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,760
fold out, so instead of being five foot high, it's

1108
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,719
ten foot long with the wheels at each end of it.

1109
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,079
It's a remarkable piece of construction.

1110
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,679
Speaker 3: My question is how and why would it not put

1111
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,079
the whole thing off balance when landing.

1112
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: That is a very interesting point because on Earth that

1113
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,920
thing weighed four hundred and sixty pounds. On the Moon

1114
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,760
it would weigh about seventy pounds. So you need a

1115
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,159
counterbalance on the other side because otherwise the rocket, which

1116
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:35,000
is centrally mounted and the descent engine rocket is gimbaled

1117
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:39,720
I it can be moved about six degrees out of

1118
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:46,039
the vertical. Unless there is a completely balanced craft, it

1119
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:47,279
will start to cartwheel.

1120
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:51,039
Speaker 4: So have you posed this to Nasam, What have they said?

1121
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,119
Speaker 2: They would say that the equipment that was mounted to

1122
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:56,199
balance it is on the other side, and there is

1123
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,439
certainly quite a lot of equipment which is seen being

1124
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,960
removed from the lunar lander on the later missions. Don't

1125
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,159
forget the lunar rover was only on three of the

1126
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:08,960
later missions. Anybody not familiar with Apollo will think, well,

1127
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,279
we're only talking about Apollo eleven. No, there are actually

1128
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,680
six Apollo missions which landed on allegedly landed on the

1129
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:20,640
lunar surface. The final three were the ones that carried

1130
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,079
the lunar rovers that they were called the Jay missions.

1131
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:28,399
Speaker 1: Actually, when you say six landed, I think it's five

1132
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,680
because Apollo thirteen didn't make it. That's right, isn't it.

1133
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: No, there were six that landed, There was eleven and

1134
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:35,520
twelve landed.

1135
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,119
Speaker 1: Oh I see in thirteen.

1136
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:43,039
Speaker 2: Was thirteen was an interesting story in itself, fourteen fifteen,

1137
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:47,479
sixteen seventeen. There were supposed to be another three missions

1138
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:52,520
after that eighteen nineteen and twenty. President Nixon, don't forget,

1139
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,960
was president during the whole of the Apollo missions. He

1140
01:09:56,119 --> 01:09:59,920
canceled the last three many on the grounds were we

1141
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,000
been there, we don't need to do it anymore. But

1142
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:09,199
because the whole Apollo program was initiated and generated and

1143
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:14,840
enthusdaver by President Kennedy, who had defeated Richard Nixon in

1144
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:21,399
the nineteen sixty American elections. Kennedy being a Democrat, Nixon

1145
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,159
being a Republican. They didn't really hold a gradul of

1146
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:30,119
affection for each other. So Nixon wasn't about to promote

1147
01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:34,840
something which he hadn't originated market. What Nixon originated was

1148
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:38,720
lying in deceit in the White House, and he paid

1149
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,720
up a reasonable price for it got sacked.

1150
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:46,159
Speaker 3: So one of the photos from the lunar over just

1151
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,520
focusing on that for a moment, shows a close up

1152
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,760
of a wheel and there's no tracks either side. NASA

1153
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,159
come up with an explanation as to what that's all about.

1154
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,359
Speaker 2: No, NASA have not addressed that was a question that

1155
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,000
was asked of them. There were hundreds of other questions

1156
01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:08,039
which have been asked of NASA. NASA stands officially for

1157
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,680
National Aeronautics and Space Administration, but according to the New

1158
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,760
York Times, who were also trying to get answers to

1159
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,920
some of these questions, NASA stands for never a straight answer,

1160
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,199
or no astronauts sent anywhere, or numerous anomalies and scams

1161
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:30,560
are bound, or National Academy of Space Actors, take your pick.

1162
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:34,119
Speaker 1: Well, not another space accident.

1163
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: Never a single apology, etcetera.

1164
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 3: So I mean when I when I when I saw

1165
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,359
that photo, I mean, it's a bit of a clanger.

1166
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,840
It's a bit of a clanger. How can how can

1167
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,800
a rover not make any imprint?

1168
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: Well, exactly, it's a reasonable question to ask, and it's

1169
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,800
been asked of NASA several times. Actually, because there is

1170
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,840
a very clear photograph showing I think it's from A seventeen.

1171
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,119
There's a lot of photographs on a poly seventeen. Well,

1172
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:08,039
you see that the lunar rover on the lunar surface,

1173
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,279
you see a lot of footprints made by the astronauts,

1174
01:12:11,319 --> 01:12:13,960
and we know that astronauts leave footprints to show where

1175
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,279
they've been. And the lunar rover, which has obviously been driven,

1176
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:21,239
because there is actually somebody sitting in the lunar rover

1177
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:24,960
when a photograph was taken, there are no wheel tracks,

1178
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,840
either in front or behind the wheel, and you're always

1179
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,760
looking at a close up of the wheel. Now the

1180
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:36,640
NASA apologists will say, oh, that's easy to explain. You

1181
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,119
can see all the footprints of the lunar of the astronauts.

1182
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,479
We're obviously getting equipment on and putting equipment off, and

1183
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,279
doing a lot of work around the lunar rover. Oh,

1184
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,840
they've kicked a lot of the lunar surface material and

1185
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,359
it's just covered the tracks. Absolute rubbish.

1186
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at it now and I can see

1187
01:12:56,079 --> 01:13:00,399
the bootprints, but there's nothing that's been kicked that I

1188
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,920
can say that. I mean, there would at least be

1189
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,199
there would at least be some kind of groove that

1190
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:07,439
would have been covered over, but there's no groove at all.

1191
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: Also, the operating temperature, as according to the NASA manual

1192
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:16,680
for the lunar rover of the battery, was the specifications

1193
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,359
of the battery temperate operating temperatures was outside the specs

1194
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:24,199
for the actual moon temperatures. In other words, the battery,

1195
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:28,439
according to the specifications of the manual couldn't possibly have worked.

1196
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,359
The battery because it wouldn't operate in that environment, basically

1197
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,159
right exactly.

1198
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:40,199
Speaker 2: So again another anomaly to do with this whole Apollo fantasy. Well,

1199
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,960
you've got batteries that won't operate, but were told that

1200
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,399
they were able to drive a car on the lunar

1201
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,680
surface for a distance of up to twenty kilometers, which

1202
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,920
is about as far as an electric car will go

1203
01:13:52,039 --> 01:13:57,520
today without additional assistance. Tesla has managed to get cars

1204
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,079
to go further than that now, but that's in the

1205
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,600
twenty first century, not in the nineteen sixties. It was

1206
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,079
designed and made by a cooperation between Bow, the Bowing

1207
01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:13,319
Aircraft Aircraft Corporation, and General Motors, and they were very

1208
01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:17,439
proud of it because it folded up rather neatly, as

1209
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,960
we've described, and it was able to drive considerable distances

1210
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,680
because don't forget, when it landed on the Moon attached

1211
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,479
to the lunar lander, the astronauts then had to assemble

1212
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,000
the car with all were the seats and the steering mechanism,

1213
01:14:32,119 --> 01:14:34,880
and the steering mechan the seats and all the equipment

1214
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,199
that they were going to carry around with them on

1215
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:40,840
the lunar surface. But you don't see any film or

1216
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:47,319
photograph of that occurring. Strange except for one rather obscure film,

1217
01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:53,159
which we're told as Apollo fifteen assembling the lunar rover,

1218
01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:55,520
and all you see them doing is pulling it out

1219
01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:02,119
of its storage area on the lunar lander, and then

1220
01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:04,960
it's out of sight of camera because they're using a

1221
01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:09,560
fixed camera position and Conveniently, you're not showing them assembling

1222
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:16,439
the vehicle, I should say communication equipment which can communicate

1223
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:21,640
with Earth. Hang on a minute, what are we getting

1224
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,159
to here? These are now communicate to Earth. Yes, this

1225
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:29,399
is what happened, because if you've seen the film of

1226
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,720
the lunar Lander top section taking off to return the

1227
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,399
astronauts to the commanding to the command module orbiting above

1228
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:42,159
the Earth, you see it being filmed from the lunar rover,

1229
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,960
which has been specifically positioned about one hundred meters away.

1230
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:51,479
We're told so that is camera could record the lunar

1231
01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:57,119
Lander takeoff, which it does, and you see on Apollo

1232
01:15:57,239 --> 01:16:02,920
seventeen you see the lunar Lander take off from the

1233
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,920
lunar surface, or the top half of it with the astronauts,

1234
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,760
and it take off from the lunar surface and ascend

1235
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:13,199
upwards as you would expect a rocket fired craft would do.

1236
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:18,479
But you see no exhaust or heat emissions from any rocket.

1237
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,680
It's as if it's on a bungee rope. Now, the

1238
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:28,199
camera on the lunar Lander was operated remotely from Houston

1239
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,880
by a guy called Ed Fendle, wo had been practicing

1240
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,640
it because he tried to do it Apollo fifteen and failed.

1241
01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:37,359
He got closer on Apollo sixteen, so he had a

1242
01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:41,640
bit of practice, we're told on Apollo seventeen. The point

1243
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:48,640
is what energy, what transmitting power is required to transmit

1244
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,840
a live television signal from the Moon two hundred and

1245
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:58,439
forty thousand miles across to Earth through sixty miles of

1246
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,760
Earth's atmosphere to be picked up on a receiver. What

1247
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:07,279
energy is required a lot more than those batteries had

1248
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:12,079
available at any time, and especially not after they'd been

1249
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:16,199
allegedly driving this lunar rover around the lunar surface for

1250
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:20,319
three days on Aputherly seventeen. But they didn't recharge the batteries.

1251
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:24,920
There were no photo electric cells to recharge them. So

1252
01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:29,720
what energy was required? Now, any television or radio engineer

1253
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,920
who is familiar with what is required on Earth to

1254
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:36,039
transmit a television signal, and there are plenty of people

1255
01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:39,039
who can do live transmissions on Earth, and you need

1256
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,439
a fairly large van in which to transmit your signal

1257
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,960
up to a satellite twenty thousand miles up and then

1258
01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:50,239
back down again. But what power is needed on that? Well,

1259
01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:51,199
that's not very far.

1260
01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: I've worked in telecommunications, broadcasts and things like that. And

1261
01:17:57,119 --> 01:17:59,720
I've had to advise people on telephones who are in

1262
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,199
Africa and all way and all sorts of places around

1263
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:05,119
the world about arranging their satellite dishes to try and

1264
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:08,520
pick up signals. And I've always sort of, you know,

1265
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,359
these are soldiers out in the bush and they're trying

1266
01:18:10,399 --> 01:18:12,279
to set up their satellite dish to try and pick

1267
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:15,479
up a satellite picture so they can watch TV. And

1268
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,479
I said, you really need to get a proper engineering

1269
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,479
you know, to set you know, to sort it out,

1270
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,920
because they've got all these special receivers and transcoders and

1271
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,199
god knows what else sort of equipment who will line

1272
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:30,079
it up with satellites and they're trained in that specific field,

1273
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,520
and they're just a modulation and all sorts of clever

1274
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,119
trickery to get the pictures. Now, these are astronauts on

1275
01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:42,439
the Moon. They're pilots essentially. And you know, I mean,

1276
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,039
if you think of the lunar module Apollo eleven landing

1277
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:49,399
on the Moon, and as soon as Neil Armstrong's coming

1278
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,600
down the ladder, you're getting a picture back to Earth,

1279
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,279
grainy or whatever of him coming back to you know,

1280
01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:59,520
coming back to America or you know, via Australia or

1281
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,159
whatever that the link was. And it kind of makesure

1282
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:04,960
want to thinking, how on Earth did they line up

1283
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,920
their little dish that was on top of their lunar

1284
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,239
module to I don't know whether they beamed it to

1285
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:12,800
the command module the you know, the orbit in or

1286
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,720
do they beam it straight back to Earth, you know,

1287
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,039
on a tiny little dish, you know, how they line

1288
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:20,239
up because they're still inside technically they're still inside there there,

1289
01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:25,039
you know, the lunar module. I don't know. I mean,

1290
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:27,119
maybe it was possible to do that, but in light

1291
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,199
of all the other discrepancies, I don't think they're worried

1292
01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:31,600
about that because they didn't have to because they were

1293
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:32,760
going to fake it anyway.

1294
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,399
Speaker 2: Exactly because it was all it was all pre filmed,

1295
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,760
It was done during the training and simulation exercises. No

1296
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,479
doubt that that happened. There's no secret about it either.

1297
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 3: And forget there, and there's no way would be automated.

1298
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,640
There's no way there'd be like a locking signal for

1299
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:50,880
it to automatically do it.

1300
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, any any television engineer. And it's very interesting

1301
01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:58,000
what you say about trying to pick up satellite signals,

1302
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:03,000
and the satellite isn't coming from that far away relatively speaking.

1303
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:04,720
We got twenty one thousand miles out.

1304
01:20:05,119 --> 01:20:08,279
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, yeah, geostationary over Europe or wherever it

1305
01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:08,600
may be.

1306
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: That's right, yep, yeah, And that's got quite quite a

1307
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,880
big footprint. You know. The transmission from the satellite will

1308
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,680
cover quite a big area on Earth, which is why

1309
01:20:22,079 --> 01:20:24,680
sky television can be picked up all over the UK

1310
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:28,880
because it's transmitted right across the UK. It's twenty thousand

1311
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,199
miles out. Quite a big footprint, but there's quite a

1312
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:36,359
lot of power needed to do it. Anyway. On the Moon,

1313
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,319
they obviously did it because we saw the pictures, didn't we.

1314
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,359
Speaker 3: Marcus rolling onto kind of like more modern times, the

1315
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:47,840
some of the Moon. Let's say, what you used the

1316
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,960
word the opposite of Hoax's believers, I suppose the moon

1317
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:55,319
landing's believers say, but aha, the Chinese.

1318
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,079
Speaker 4: The Chinese landed.

1319
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: Are over and I think they orbited the Moon and

1320
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,479
took lots of photos. Obviously would be able to see

1321
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:06,560
all the equipment left behind from the moon landings. I

1322
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,920
can't remember if that was in the news or if

1323
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,880
that's even happened. What's what's the score there?

1324
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 2: The Chinese certainly do have the ability to launch a

1325
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:23,520
rocket powerful enough to land an unmancraft on the lunar surface.

1326
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 4: I believe they have done so. Is that correct?

1327
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 2: Yes, they have done so. It's called Jade Rabbit.

1328
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 4: Was it Was it anywhere near the Apollo landing sites.

1329
01:21:33,239 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: No, I didn't land anywhere near the Apollo landing.

1330
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,039
Speaker 3: Site, and it didn't take any photographs as it was

1331
01:21:38,119 --> 01:21:38,840
orbiting the mill.

1332
01:21:39,079 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: That's the story, and the same story applies to the

1333
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:47,199
Japanese who've also launched an unmanned craft to orbit the Moon.

1334
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,560
And then we can come on to the Lunar Lunar

1335
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:56,439
Reconnaissance Orbiter, which is an American craft operated by a NASA,

1336
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,600
needless to say, which orbited the Moon and photographed the

1337
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:05,279
landing sites. We're told in two thousand and nine. Let's

1338
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:09,119
just examine what we're told to believe about this. We're

1339
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:12,039
told that the Chinese did it. I haven't, to be fair,

1340
01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:17,279
seen any photograph issued by the Chinese Space Agency or

1341
01:22:17,319 --> 01:22:21,159
the Japanese Space Agency purporting to show any of the

1342
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:25,319
Apollo landing site, any of the artifacts left on the

1343
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:29,399
Apollo landing site from the Chinese or the Japanese. I

1344
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,960
have seen the photographs issued by NASA in support of

1345
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:38,399
their contention that they show the six Apollo landing sites. Okay,

1346
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:41,880
anybody can go online and look at these photographs. Their

1347
01:22:42,279 --> 01:22:47,159
Lunar Reconsistence Orbitter website will show them in interminable detail.

1348
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,439
What you're going to be looking at is a photograph

1349
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:58,560
taken twenty miles twenty five kilometers above the lunar surface

1350
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:07,840
linearic orbitter satellite using presumably twenty first century technology eye

1351
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:12,319
pretty good cameras. Twenty miles is about one hundred thousand feet.

1352
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:18,840
It's not that far away as far as the satellite

1353
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:24,600
is concerned. And what the pictures they produced show basically

1354
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:31,159
a few white pixels and a few black pixels with

1355
01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:35,199
a whacking gray arrow put on it saying Apollo eleven,

1356
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:41,239
Apollo twelve or Apollo seventeen landing site. And on the

1357
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:47,479
Apollos twelve and the Apollos seventeen landing sites, they get

1358
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,880
over excited by all the footprints you can see on

1359
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:56,439
the lunar surface. Oh wow, oh wonderful. It must be

1360
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,840
real until you start examining it in detail, where you

1361
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,199
see that the footprints are as wide as the lander,

1362
01:24:04,399 --> 01:24:07,279
which is twenty foot So were they giants these astronauts?

1363
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,439
Did it kick up a huge amount of dust? And

1364
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,720
how come this is the first time they've ever been photographed?

1365
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:17,079
And anyway, why are they in black and white? And

1366
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:19,600
why can you only see a couple of pixels which

1367
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:25,680
identifies a twenty foot wide lander with a shadow considerably

1368
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,279
longer because you could see that the shadow angles are

1369
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:32,720
quite low. It was taken quite early so that the

1370
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,439
craft would show up, or the shadow of it would

1371
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,920
show up, where you can only see a few black pixels. Now,

1372
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:46,239
if you then compare those appallingly bad photographs, which I

1373
01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:51,239
don't think represent anything beyond somebody's cgi attempt to show

1374
01:24:51,319 --> 01:24:54,359
what the lunar landers might look like if they were

1375
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,760
happened to be on the lunar surface with a known

1376
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:03,720
satellite photograph take and above Earth, of as I showed

1377
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,399
recently when I was doing a presentation on the subject

1378
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:13,199
of the London Eye taken from four hundred miles above

1379
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:18,479
the Earth by the the GEO one satellite ten years ago,

1380
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:24,279
when the Lunar Concerts's orbiter was photographing on the Moon.

1381
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,600
This is taken in full color four hundred miles above

1382
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:34,960
the London Eye, through all the pollution and the distortion

1383
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:38,279
created by the sixty miles of the Earth's atmosphere, and

1384
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:44,840
you can see individual cars, individual capsules. On the London Eye,

1385
01:25:45,399 --> 01:25:48,560
you can see a cars park nearby, some of which

1386
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,039
have sun roofs which are about three foot across. Quite

1387
01:25:52,119 --> 01:25:54,800
clearly you can see which way the car is pointing,

1388
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,680
because you can see the difference between the bonnet and

1389
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,439
the boot. But on the Moon, all you see from

1390
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:06,199
these ridiculously stupid pictures, which we're told represent the Apollo

1391
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:11,119
Landers on the lunar surface are a few white pixels.

1392
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,279
Speaker 3: Eyes don't take I'm looking at both images now, I'm

1393
01:26:15,279 --> 01:26:17,159
looking at the London Ey one and I'm looking at

1394
01:26:17,159 --> 01:26:20,880
the Apollo seventeen alleged Apollo seventeen one. Yeah, I mean

1395
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:28,239
it's there's Okay, let's take the assumption that what we're

1396
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:31,680
looking at is actual photographs of the Moon. If they

1397
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,199
are actual photographs of the Moon, there is something there

1398
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:37,479
that's that's like either man made or not natural. But

1399
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,520
as you say, they are too they are too too

1400
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:42,439
far rock.

1401
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be a rock.

1402
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:50,119
Speaker 3: I would expect I would have expected much more zoomed

1403
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:51,920
in high quality images.

1404
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:54,399
Speaker 2: From twenty miles away.

1405
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:58,279
Speaker 1: Of course, you would have a fasser kind of made

1406
01:26:58,359 --> 01:27:01,920
the areas and no FLI zone for other nations to preserve.

1407
01:27:05,279 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 2: I can see why, so that nobody else can find

1408
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:08,479
there isn't anything there.

1409
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. It's a bit of a laughable one, though,

1410
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:11,000
isn't it.

1411
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,039
Speaker 4: So here's here's the question, Marcus.

1412
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 3: Let's say let's say the Chinese are for or the

1413
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,079
Japanese are for some reason in on it. What would

1414
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:25,399
be their motivation for doing so, as opposed to saying, look,

1415
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:26,479
the Americans are lying.

1416
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,319
Speaker 2: I have no idea, absolutely no idea. They may well

1417
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:35,560
be in on it. They may well have to use

1418
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,640
NASA's tracking facilities, or they may have to use NASAs

1419
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,319
for the facilities, or some of the technicians involved, and

1420
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,359
they don't want to upset America.

1421
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 3: Which is what could there be things on in the background. So,

1422
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,159
for instance, one of your quite a lot of your talks,

1423
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:54,720
you talk about that during the Cold War that in

1424
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,680
actual fact, the Russians and the Americans were kind of

1425
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,399
working together, and the Americans were kind of buying and

1426
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,159
selling and helping to fund Russia to stop the people

1427
01:28:02,199 --> 01:28:04,600
from starving and kind of like as a bribe to

1428
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,640
stop nuclear war. Basically, could there be something similar going

1429
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,399
on with the Japanese and the Chinese that kind of

1430
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,600
like have to shut them up.

1431
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 4: In some way?

1432
01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:17,319
Speaker 2: I don't think the Japanese all the Chinese needs shutting up.

1433
01:28:17,399 --> 01:28:19,479
I think that they know which side their bread is

1434
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:23,720
buttered on if they want to to involve themselves, which

1435
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,960
they evidently do in space travel because it's a reasonable thing.

1436
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:30,159
And don't forget the Indians are doing it as well.

1437
01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:32,600
The European Space Agency is doing it as well. Yeah,

1438
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:38,439
there's cooperation and collusion, and not of the bad kind.

1439
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:43,279
There's cooperation between all these agencies because space travel is

1440
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:48,800
an extremely dangerous business and people like to pass information

1441
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,680
that they find which could be helpful to other people aren't,

1442
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,279
which is what was happening between American and Soviet Union.

1443
01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:00,399
And the point I make about in ours to the

1444
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,359
inevitable question, Well, if what you say is anywhere near true, Marcus,

1445
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:06,199
why didn't the Russians blow the whistle at the time.

1446
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:08,680
They must have known what was going on. Of course

1447
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,279
they knew what was going on. They chose to shut

1448
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:13,600
up about it. And the reason they chose to shut

1449
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,079
up about it was partly to do with the wheat deal,

1450
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,279
which is well known that the Soviet Union were offered

1451
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,920
very very favorable terms to buy American wheat in the

1452
01:29:26,039 --> 01:29:29,199
millions of tons of American wheat. There'd been a drought

1453
01:29:29,239 --> 01:29:32,880
in Kazakhstan. It's quite a natural thing and there was

1454
01:29:33,039 --> 01:29:37,720
a potential for starvation. America don't like to see people

1455
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,119
suffering unnecessary if they can help it and gain something

1456
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:44,680
from it, so they quite generously offered very good price

1457
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,000
for the Soviet Union to buy American wheat over two years,

1458
01:29:49,159 --> 01:29:52,079
it was in the early nineteen seventies. Whether it came

1459
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:55,600
with a hidden price attached, I don't know. I have

1460
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,760
no evidence. But what they do have evidence for is

1461
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:03,199
what's called the gas for I steal. The Soviet Union

1462
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:08,800
have one major natural resource, natural gas, which in order

1463
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,199
to survive as a nation, they need to sell it

1464
01:30:12,399 --> 01:30:16,399
in the world market. Reasonable thing to do. Saudi Arabia

1465
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,760
sell their natural resource, it's called crude oil. Nothing wrong,

1466
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,279
we tried to sell your natural resource. Now, the Soviet

1467
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,399
Union at the time, this is the mid nineteen sixties,

1468
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:34,840
the mid nineteen sixties started to started to try to

1469
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,680
export supplies, in large quantity, supplies of their natural gas

1470
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:45,359
into Western Europe, specifically West Germany as it was then. Well,

1471
01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:47,640
the Berlin War was up. That's why it's called West Germany,

1472
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,359
and it was called East Germany, which is the other

1473
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,159
half of Germany. It's now been reconciled. In nineteen eighty

1474
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:56,640
nine en the Berlin Wall fell, but that's another story.

1475
01:30:57,319 --> 01:31:01,479
So in the mid nineteen sixties are negotiating with the

1476
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,359
government of West Germany, the government of Italy and also

1477
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,880
Hungary and Austria for the supply of their natural gas.

1478
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,479
But the Soviet Union having been devastated by the Second

1479
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,239
World War, they lost twenty five million people in the

1480
01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:22,600
Second War. It's a huge number of their population. They

1481
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:30,000
didn't have the industry to manufacture the pipeline required to

1482
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:35,439
take this natural gas from its fields in Siberia, which

1483
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,279
is northern Russia into West Germany, which is in Western Europe.

1484
01:31:41,159 --> 01:31:45,239
It's about two thousand kilometers. So the deal was which

1485
01:31:45,279 --> 01:31:50,039
America struck with West Germany. You make the pipes. Because

1486
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:54,000
West Germany's industry had been resurrected much faster as a

1487
01:31:54,039 --> 01:31:55,880
result of the Marshall Plan. At the end of the

1488
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,960
Second World War, look it up if you don't know

1489
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:03,079
what the Marshall Plan is. West Germany's industry had got

1490
01:32:03,159 --> 01:32:05,520
back on his feet and started making things, because all

1491
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,720
you need to do to make a gas pipeline is

1492
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,039
large sheets of steel. You roll the mouse as flat

1493
01:32:12,079 --> 01:32:14,560
sheets and then bend them into a circle. Hey, presto,

1494
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,760
you've got a pipe. You link all the pipes together.

1495
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,880
You put one end of it into your gas field,

1496
01:32:21,319 --> 01:32:24,279
and every ten kilometers or so you put what's called

1497
01:32:24,279 --> 01:32:28,239
a compressor, which is in effect a jet engine. Guess

1498
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:32,119
who supplied the jet engines, rolls Royce to drive the

1499
01:32:32,279 --> 01:32:37,039
natural gas along this pipeline. It won't flow without some assistance.

1500
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,439
This is the way it's done today. Take it was

1501
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,399
driven into the pipeline was built into West Germany in

1502
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:52,720
the mid nineteen sixties. Come on, America were upset about it, obviously,

1503
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:57,119
because they wanted to supply They didn't want the Soviet

1504
01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:01,560
Union to be seen to be supplying Western Europe. She's

1505
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,439
not East Germany. We're talking about West Germany. They didn't

1506
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,479
want to be seen to be supplying West Germany because otherwise,

1507
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,439
what would NATO bey do. This is the argument Trump

1508
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:14,920
has just used on Merkel, Chancellor of Germany. Look, you

1509
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,600
get all your natural gas from Russia. What are we

1510
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:21,640
doing protecting you against Russia? The same argument applied fifty

1511
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,359
years ago. That whole Cold War thing was a complete fabrication,

1512
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:31,439
absolute bloody nonsense, as was this whole nuclear attack.

1513
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:35,119
Speaker 4: There was never going to be a nuclear controlled divide

1514
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:35,800
and rule, isn't it.

1515
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: It's also after the Apollo was canceled, they actually well

1516
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,119
i'd say canceled. They didn't go to the Moon. They

1517
01:33:42,319 --> 01:33:45,840
kind of continued in a half wit way because they

1518
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,399
had the Apollo Sawyer's link up, which I think was

1519
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,600
over Southampton if I believe in nineteen seventy four or five, wasn't.

1520
01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:57,359
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, seventy five, Yeah, Apollo Sawyers. Oh look, America

1521
01:33:57,439 --> 01:34:02,560
and Russia are cooperating stafter or just in the middle

1522
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,079
of the Cold War. What's going on?

1523
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,079
Speaker 4: So okay?

1524
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,399
Speaker 3: Corporating going back to the kind of lot the actual

1525
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,920
science of the whole mission itself, because I think we've

1526
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,199
gone off at a slight tangent.

1527
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:15,119
Speaker 4: But going back to the science.

1528
01:34:15,159 --> 01:34:19,279
Speaker 3: One of my friends actually was asking, wasn't the Lander

1529
01:34:19,359 --> 01:34:21,600
supposed to have an air lock, and if so, where

1530
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:27,079
is it, where is it positioned? Was the craft depressurized?

1531
01:34:27,319 --> 01:34:29,800
Did they all have to sit in their suits? And

1532
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,000
then how much oxygen did they bring? And where is

1533
01:34:32,039 --> 01:34:34,039
it stored? How much did it weigh and how much

1534
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:36,560
fuel did you need to kind of carry it?

1535
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,399
Speaker 2: Good question. The Apollo Lander, the Lunar Lander, did not

1536
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:43,800
have an air lock.

1537
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 3: So right, so how did they so imagine we're in

1538
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,000
the we're in the top section, we're not in our

1539
01:34:50,039 --> 01:34:52,439
space suits, we're not kitted up. What would we need

1540
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,920
to do to get kitted up and then get actually

1541
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:56,960
onto the Moon surface?

1542
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 2: Right? This is mission impossible, absolutely, mission impassible. Okay, if

1543
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,279
you're going to wander around on the lunar surface, the

1544
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:08,479
real inner surface, you've got to put your spacesuit on

1545
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,840
a spacesuit. If you see film of astronauts being kitted out,

1546
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,640
because if you recall when they were walking towards their

1547
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,640
rocket before they took off, you saw these heroes in

1548
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,680
their white spacesuits. They were kitted up with their spacesuits

1549
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:30,279
before they even got into the command module. Now in

1550
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,039
order to get into their spacesuits. The film of them

1551
01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:36,520
getting in. It's quite interesting. It takes three people to

1552
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,439
get one astronaut into their spacesuit.

1553
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,239
Speaker 4: I've seen it, Yeah, I've seen that film.

1554
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Now they walk into their spacesuit, they walk onto

1555
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:48,800
their rocket, they go the three hundred foot up into

1556
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,960
their capsule. On the top of their rocket, they take

1557
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,800
their spacesuits off because they have to be able to

1558
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,159
travel to the Moon in the shirt sleeve environment of

1559
01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:04,079
the command and you see them in their T shirts

1560
01:36:04,079 --> 01:36:05,960
and jeans presumably I don't know what they were wearing,

1561
01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:10,239
but they weren't in their spacesuit. They get to the Moon,

1562
01:36:11,159 --> 01:36:16,920
the command module is orbiting the Moon. Two astronauts now

1563
01:36:17,119 --> 01:36:22,359
go from the Command Module into the Lunar Module. This

1564
01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:26,560
without wearing a spacesuit because they couldn't get through the

1565
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:30,760
little hatchway connecting the two craft. It's only twenty four

1566
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,560
inches across, it's been measured. They couldn't get through that

1567
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,520
hatch if they were wearing a spacesuit. Now in the

1568
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:44,119
lunar Lander is another spacesuit for each astronautep So they

1569
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:48,760
get into the lunar Lander and they land the lunar Lander.

1570
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,399
We'll come back to that in a minute because there's

1571
01:36:51,399 --> 01:36:56,119
another very interesting anomaly. They land their lunar lander, and

1572
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,520
in the case of Apoly eleven, they then have six

1573
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:05,000
hours between landing it and getting out. Now, in order

1574
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:08,720
to get at that point, they have to get into

1575
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:09,840
their spacesuits.

1576
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Marc, we're coming up to the end of the show,

1577
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,920
but just very quickly, how what's the official explanation of

1578
01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:19,079
how they got into the space suits and then onto

1579
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:19,479
the Moon.

1580
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,359
Speaker 4: You can if you can speed it up a little bit.

1581
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:24,600
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no explanation that is offered that that makes

1582
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,960
any sense at all that these two astronauts in something

1583
01:37:28,079 --> 01:37:31,399
measuring six foot by six foot by four foot could

1584
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,359
get into these spacesuits, which are very cumbersome. They could

1585
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,039
check each other out. But if you don't get these

1586
01:37:38,399 --> 01:37:41,239
and you can't wear half a spacesuit. So Neil Armstrong

1587
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:44,920
was landing the craft without his spacesuit, but you can

1588
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,840
hear him talking, or you can hear a buzz order

1589
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:51,119
in talking. Therefore, the craft was pressurized because they couldn't

1590
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:54,239
be in an unpressurized craft without a spacesuit. They'd be dead.

1591
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,199
So they're landing it without a spacesuit. They then get

1592
01:37:58,279 --> 01:38:03,119
into their spacesuit. They then depressurize the lunar lander. They

1593
01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:06,239
let all the air out so they can open the door,

1594
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:10,439
because at five pounds per square inch pressure, there'll be

1595
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,439
two tons of air pressure on the door which they

1596
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:17,600
have to open, which is so they have to depressurize it.

1597
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,560
So they just open a little valve and all the

1598
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,319
air goes who out. They don't get out into the

1599
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,039
onto the lunar surface. One small step for man, one

1600
01:38:26,079 --> 01:38:29,800
giantly for mankind. All that crap. They prance around, talk

1601
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,239
to the president, plant the flag, collect the rocks, get

1602
01:38:32,319 --> 01:38:38,359
back in again, take their spacesuits off and put them out,

1603
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,720
or take the backpacks off and put them outside the spacecraft.

1604
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,399
Get into the spacecraft and repressure. Hang on a minute,

1605
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:47,520
what is going on here?

1606
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,239
Speaker 4: Take their backpacks off.

1607
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:52,520
Speaker 2: Yes, they take their backpacks off and leave them outside.

1608
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,760
Now you could say that they connect the the the

1609
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:02,680
air pipes to the craft, because there were there was

1610
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,159
a supply of oxygen and the craft. But where did

1611
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:07,800
all this oxygen come from? They just do pressurize the thing,

1612
01:39:08,319 --> 01:39:11,319
and on Apollo eleven they do. They depressurize it three

1613
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:16,000
times over three days. It just does not add up

1614
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:18,560
and anyway, having all right, let's go quickly on to

1615
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,760
Apollo seventeen. They're on the lunar surface for eight hours

1616
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,439
at a time. How many how many people have done

1617
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:26,239
scuba diving?

1618
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 3: The just run out you've run out of oxygen. And

1619
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,880
on that note, unfortunately, Marcus, they've run out of oxygen.

1620
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,319
We've run out of time. This has been absolutely fascinating

1621
01:39:36,199 --> 01:39:38,680
and we we must we must get you back, Marcus

1622
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:43,239
month or it feels like we've only touched the tip

1623
01:39:43,279 --> 01:39:46,239
of the iceberg the surface of the moon. I was

1624
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:50,600
just about to say that, Marcus, thanks ever so much

1625
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,000
for coming along. And for anyone who wants to get

1626
01:39:53,079 --> 01:39:56,920
hold of Nexus magazine, google it, find it on wh

1627
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,119
Smith or your local news agents.

1628
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 4: Marcus, you have quickly a website people can go to

1629
01:40:02,119 --> 01:40:02,600
very quickly.

1630
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,159
Speaker 2: Just go to nexusmagazine dot com to contact me. You

1631
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:08,680
can do it through there, Or if anybody is interested

1632
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:14,039
in information about this particular subject, I'd recommend a website

1633
01:40:14,079 --> 01:40:19,479
called our List. That's au ls dot com dot com.

1634
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,279
Speaker 3: Fantastic And I will try if we do around two,

1635
01:40:22,359 --> 01:40:24,359
which I hope we will, I will try and get

1636
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:28,239
my believer scientific friend on and I will try and

1637
01:40:28,319 --> 01:40:30,840
get him to answer the questions which you very kindly

1638
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,520
posed but have not been answered. I think it's because

1639
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,560
he's not got a lot of time. I don't think.

1640
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,880
I don't think it's because he couldn't be bothered, because

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he did say with glee, I accept the challenge, So

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I would like him to do that. I would like

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him to do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anything else you want.

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Speaker 1: To add, well, thank you very much Marcus Allen for

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joining us from Nexus Magazine, and we hopefully will do

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around two and we'll be in touch and stay tuned

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for more because, as I say, we've only scratched the

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moon surface on it one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and once you start scratching that itch, it never

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goes away, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: We'll certainly leaving tracks anyway. Okay, So it's good at

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the Paranormal peep Show. Stay tuned for more shows on

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the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Good Night, see you later, guy.

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Speaker 2: Not to

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Speaker 4: Follow to bo