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Speaker 2: Dispatch ericson Lubin.

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Speaker 1: We are ready to recap that fight and look ahead

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to what's the future now that Ortiz has gotten that

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devastating TKO.

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Speaker 2: We'll go over the undercard.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we've got an interesting convo with Big Dan Rayfield

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and a guy who's challenging for the vacant WBO lightweight

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title coming up on that big card in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: We got good content coming there in the nostalgic mode, interviews,

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live shows, etc. Find us there, listen, good to be

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with you off the weekend. And again, I think all

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of this preamble was maybe longer than what Orties took

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to dispatch Eric Sin Lugans Lubin. So the first thing is.

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Speaker 1: And how shocked were you that this is over that

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quickly against the veteran and former world title challenging.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a thing, t J. I'm not

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surprised in any way, shape or form that Virgil Artis

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Scortay knockout against eric Son Lubin. That was what I

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thought would happen. I thought he would stop him, but

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I did think that it would be a bit more competitive.

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I thought it would go perhaps into the second half

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of the fight before he got him out of there.

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And so from the dispatch him, that's a great word,

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dispatch him in the second round. That was pretty impressive.

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I mean, I know there's some people I've been reading

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with social media posts and people responding to my article

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about the fight and this and that, who are Monday

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Morning quarterbacking as usual saying Wow, Lubin was shot. Lubin

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was not mutched. Blah blah blah. All I know is

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this Ericson Lubin is and has been for a long

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time a very quality contender. And even if you take

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a look at the knockout losses and his only other

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losses he suffered, they were by a devastating first round

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knockout in the fight that we've discussed before against Charlot

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when he challenged for the title. It is the belief

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I think of most people that he was rushed into

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that fight as a very young fighter, like twenty one

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years old or something like that, not ready for the fight,

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twenty two years old, not ready for the fight. I

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don't mean physically ready, but just mentally ready to deal

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with the even experience enough.

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Speaker 2: And it got caught, got dropped, gone done right.

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Speaker 3: And then he bounced back with a series of solid

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wins and went on a nice little winning street there

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and then he had the next fight where he lost.

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That was for an interim title, vacant interim title against

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Sebastian Fandora was one of the fights of the year

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in I believe it was in twenty twenty two. They

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put on tremendous battle as you mentioned there, and you

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know in the end he took. He took a little

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bit of a beating, but Fondora was not exactly off

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the hook either. Both of those guys got knocked down,

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and in the end, Ericson Lubin's trainer at the time,

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which was Kevin Cunningham, a tremendous trainer, pulled the plug

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and said he'd have enough. He'd have had enough, and

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so they stopped it in that manner, and then again

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he went on a nice little winning streak. He has

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a good bunch of wins of consequence on his record,

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and uh yeah, of course he was the underdog against

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Virgil Ortiz, but I don't think most people thought he

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was going to just get nuked out of there in

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two rounds like that. That was You have to give

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care of business. Whatever you think about Ericson Lubin now

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at thirty years old, having suffered a bad knockout like that,

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stop for example rdre Al Holmes and the title eliminator

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that he had in his most recent fight in the

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eleventh round, it wasn't like he looked lights out in

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that fight he did get to stop.

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victory against against Ramos. That was a fight where myself

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and many others felt that Hazers Romans was the right thing, right,

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but again Virgil did what he what he was supposed

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to do against a quality fighter. And those who are comparing,

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because we're going to get the whole boots Ennis aspect

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of this thing, comparing what he did against you know,

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supposedly and nobody in Lubin and then what Ennis had

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done against Lima. I will tell you that that Erics

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and Lubanon, you know, on an off night, probably takes

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care Alema with no problem. I mean, you know, there's

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a there's a difference in the caliber of opponents. And

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keeping in mind also that this was now the third

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consecutive reputable quality can tender opponent in a row that

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Virgil Ortiz has defeated. He had the tremendous fight of

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the ear slug fest that he survived two knockdowns and

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one close against boat Chuk. He came back. He scored

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a clear decision against Israel Majimov, who gave Terrence Crawford

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the best fight of his career, and then he comes

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off of that fight and he apps so he destroys

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Lubin in two rounds. You can certainly make the argument

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that he's number one in the one foes even without

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having a major title, even though he defended the interim

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Speaker 1: One thing here, because we talked about this with the

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Worldly Fight a couple of weeks ago with Joseph Parker

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about what's a good stoppage? You know, too soon, you

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know too late, just right, et cetera. What did you

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feel like here when we're early in the fight and

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in in defense of Lubin, he had his guard upsal,

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he was not firing back.

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Speaker 2: There's not a knockdown.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that Ortiz wasn't going to

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wipe him out in another ten seconds with a serious

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shot he may have. What about that argument that maybe

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it was a tad too soon on the range of

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acceptable stoppages.

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Speaker 3: What was just one hundred percent? Would say that the

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stoppage is right on the money. That was a perfect

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stoppage by the referee James Green, And I say that

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because eric so Lubin was standing up unconscious. How do

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you not stop the fight. He had taken some tremendous

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bombs on the chin. He got whacked with a whole

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bunch of punches, right hands and left hooks, and they

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weren't just like you know, touching him. Virgil was turning

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those shots over with deep leverage on the especially on

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the on the last couple of right hands.

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Speaker 4: Full force.

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Speaker 3: I mean, not not grazing shots, or maybe he's rolling

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with the shot like you know, if you take a

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look at the Parker fight, But.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying. He still got he

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was rolling with those shots right, but he still got

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his guard up there towards the agent.

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Speaker 2: He's unconscious standing up.

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Speaker 1: Listen, if he's unconscious standing up, he doesn't have his

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guard up. He does have his guard up, and he

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did take two. He took a couple of serious shots

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even while he had the guard up. I'm not saying

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it was a bad stoppage or wrong. So I just

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point I just pointed it out, and it's over quick.

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Speaker 3: There's nobody that I've seen in any capacity on social media,

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people who I've texted with in the business who have

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dogs in the fight on both sides. Comments on my

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uh that that people you know posting on my social

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media about you know, reading my article. This is one

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of those times where there's no disagreement about this. Now,

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he says, it's not a Joseph Parker situation. This was

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a man who was you know that James Green saved

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him perhaps from.

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Speaker 4: A trip to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: By all right, So Boots, Ennis was there and are

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we getting this next?

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Speaker 2: Can we have good things?

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Speaker 1: What do we think now that now that this has happened,

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he theorized it he bombed him out.

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Speaker 2: Eddie Hearn says, this is who we want. What do

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Speaker 3: Well, Boots and Eddie did make the trip to the fight.

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They were ringside for the fight. He was allowed and

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invited into the ring after the fight Ennis, and in

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his interview with Chris Mannix on his own he was

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before he could even before Chris could even ask him

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about Ennis, which is obviously the fight that everybody would

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like to see.

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Speaker 4: Next.

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Speaker 3: It was Virgil Ortiz who saw him standing in the

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ring a few feet away from and said, Boots, come

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on over, you know. And so at that point Mannix

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question is this is who you want next?

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Speaker 1: And Virgil classic if you just said are we finding

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one hundred and fifty four pounds or not? Or you

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got another excuse like Antonio Tarbor my man Tarbar time

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he got any other chooses? Royd and I, well, the

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one thing we find in one fifty four? Are we

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not fighting one fifty four? Let's sign I would have

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loved that last time.

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Speaker 3: That's the one thing that whatever issues there may be

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to finalize the match. The weight probably won't be one

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of those questions that's even up for debate because they

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both have interim titles at one hundred and fifty four.

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Virgil's now been there for a couple of years. Boots

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made the very publicized move up to the weight class

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in his last fight, you know, a month or so ago,

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and scored that first round knockout. So weight's not an issue.

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gonna posturing? Is one thing, but teasing and playing games

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and moving something and doing something else, that's what's gonna

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irritate a lot of people. So I think that it

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will happen, but I'm not convinced that's gonna happen. And

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do think finally match Room and NS are quite serious

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that they want that next, especially with the shit they've

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been talking the last you know, few days about it.

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I don't think they make the trip to Texas just

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to go to have fun if they're not serious about

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the fight, that's the first thing. And Boots, you know,

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love the decision he made to blow off when they

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had a deal back that should have been earlier this

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year because he elected to take the defense. You know,

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he took the unification fight against Danie Otis and then

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took the fifty four pounds like let's get to know

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the weight class fight against Lima that was so criticized.

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At this point, I think he's like, in his own mind,

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he's right, I'm ready to do anything against anybody in

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this weight class. And I do believe that that's the

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fight that Eddie Heron would like to make. I think

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he truly believes that his fighter would win the fight.

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And anytime you're making a matchup, you know, if you

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truly believe their guy wins and there's that much money

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that's going to be at stake, of course you do

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the fight. Now that's their side. Now, if you listen

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to what Mattroom that Eddie said and what said, we've

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discussed this before their side with each other. Because people

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have to remember, when you make a fight, there's not

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just one contract. The two promoters have to agree. They

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got to get their word, they get everything squared away

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with their broadcaster, and the fighters have to make deals

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with their promoters. So there's a bunch of separate agreements.

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Mattroom and Eddie reiterated, and Boots said, yes, not his

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that they signed a document that was the terms for

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this fight. So the way that they positioned it that

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we're done. Eddie basically said, we're done, only waiting for

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Golden Boy to get done with its part. And also

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it's at a level of a pay per view where

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Golden Boy and Matchroom don't necessarily have to make a

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deal with each other. They can go and each one

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of them make a separate deal with his own. Now

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they'll have to be certain things they'll have to agree on,

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get an under card fight, we get an undercard fight,

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and maybe we do an undercard fight between our guys

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or whatever. They're gonna have to divvy up, you know,

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what's on the card, because I would think it's gonna

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be a co promotion. They're they're and they're also gonna

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obviously probably posture about who's the quote unquote a side,

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which to me is nonsense because the reality is both

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of them are in essence a side.

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Speaker 4: Ish.

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Speaker 3: They both have drawn good crowds at fights, they both

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have elements of a title, they're both undefeated, they're both

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part of the zone. Like there's nothing that truly distinguishes

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one guy as the age.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you've given us a bunch on the match

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room in a sign, but I detect because I've been

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doing this long enough with you skepticism that on the

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Dala Hoya, Golden Boy or Tees side there may be

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or Tees there may be a door number two.

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Speaker 3: So that's the issue. So Virgil himself is like, in

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the ring, I'll fight the guy.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: If you watch some of the videos of the of

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the press converceas or the scrums afterwards, and he's asked,

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he makes the point that his dream fight is Errol

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Spence at Cowboys Stadium. They're both Dallas area fight. They're

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now in the same way class. Uh, you know, because

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if Spence does fight again, he would move up from

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Welter Way where he got beaten by Terrence Crawford. You know,

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I don't think that if he fought Errol Spent at

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this stage of Errol's career, he would get a lot

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of credit for beating him because most people view Arrows

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kind of washed and he hasn't fought for what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you that's exactly it?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's You often talk about

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the commercial viability. There is no commercial viability on an

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Ortiz Spence fight on pay per view zero nine and

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certainly has done nothing for two and a half years

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after Crawford destroyed him.

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Speaker 3: So then you can put the fight at Cowboys Stadium.

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I mean. It will draw some people fair enough because

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they're local, but you might you.

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Speaker 2: Might draw like eight thousand people, you might draw like sis.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you cannot overstate he has disappeared after Crawford

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destroyed him, and I don't know that there's anything there.

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the locker room. He was there five and high five

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and Ortiz after the words and whatever.

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Speaker 3: But the reason why I have my my issues about

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whether it actually will happen or not, there's one way

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that he can get nipped in the butt is if

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Boots and us, assuming he was serious, he signed so

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they're done, and if Virgil Ortiz ghost his people, meaning

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Golden Boy, Oscar his manager Rick Marigian and says, listen,

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don't come to me about another fight. Make the deal.

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You know, here's what I need. Get the best deal possible.

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I want this fight next, and go do it. And

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that's what fighters can do because they're the ones that

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have to get into the ring, and you know, their

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their health and their careers, et cetera. Now Oscar was

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posturing and talking about how you know it's got to

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be he's the A side, and I hate when that

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shit happens because it's really in this This is really

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the epitome of a fight where there's no true A side.

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They're both A sides. And you've got Rick Marigian, who

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I have ample respect for. I've known Rick his entire

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career as a boxing manager, starting out years ago as

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the manager for Jose Ramier. When he signed him at

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the Olympics. He made a post on his social media

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and then I texted a little bit with them earlier,

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and he wrote, I think that Ortiz spens a Cowboys stadium,

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biggest All Texas matchup in history, and Charlote versus Boots

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as the Comaine and the winners fight each other just

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might be fire whatever. And Charlo is at the fight.

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I mean, so I'll disagree with Rick. I mean, when

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you know, Eddie even used the words and I don't

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often agree with that Hearon, but I'll agree with him

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on this one. He basically said, we don't want to

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marinate this. Let's do the fight next right, And the

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two fighters have been talking about it, so that's all

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there is to it. Lubin is out of the way,

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a Lima is out of the way. They're both the

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top among the top couple guys in the way, class

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two three guys in the division. There's been a movement

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the fans want to see it. I had a lot

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of people more than I've seen in a while, about

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a potential match. More are genuinely excited about this fight.

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A fight, there's a deep division where I've seen a

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ton of people like I'll look on my Twitter feed

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TJ and one person will say, oh, you know, Boot's

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gonna knock him out, and the next tweet is like, oh,

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Virgil's gonna destroy him. Like there's a true back and

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forth about who you think is going to win the fight,

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and and that makes a really good matchup. It's you know,

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in boxing, you make a mixed match an American Hispanic

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against an American Black. That adds to it because he

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step fan basis. One guys from deep in the heart

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of Texas. One guy's from Philadelphia. So you've got different.

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Speaker 2: Regions all but can punch.

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Speaker 4: Both are now.

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Speaker 3: In genuinely in the same way class as you said,

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both are good punchers. They're not old and washed. Boots

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Ennis is twenty eight years old in his prime. Virgil

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Ortiz is twenty seven years old in his prime.

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Speaker 4: Like let's do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And as I made point, the point A,

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they're gonna make a lot of money for the fight,

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and b whoever loses the fight in their career is

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not over. Guys lose I mean that's what happens when

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you get to this level. So you know they're to

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be great. You're gonna make millions of dollars regardless of

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the outcome of the fight. You know, if you can't

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agree on how to split up the money. I've always

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maintained I'm not just saying it for this fight. It's

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prize fighting. You make it where it's like, you know,

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whatever you want to do, you do forty five percent,

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forty five percent, and the winner gets the extra you know,

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of the the remaining percentagere something like that, and it's fair.

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They're good crowd. There's a lot of places you can

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put the fight. And I just don't want to hear

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any more nonsense from anybody in the executive suite of

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this fight. I don't want to hear from the managers

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promoting other fights. I don't want to hear anything from

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Oscar or Eddie, because Eddie, even though he said we're done,

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we have options, and he mentioned Charlot and he mentioned

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Danny Garcia.

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Speaker 4: You know what that, Yeah, Garcia.

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Speaker 3: You make Virgil RTIs against Boots Ennis and let's have

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one of the biggest fights in American boxing in a while.

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And it'll be in the same time frame. We're gonna

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get your Corse Stevenson against Tiafimo Lopez probably in the

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early part of the year in January, to another great

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all American kind of fight. Let's do this shit and

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stop fucking around, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm with him, I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's go over the undercard, which look it

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says right on my rundown. We can briefly talk about

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what turned out to be a terrible undercard. Darius Fulgum

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did have a draw, and then I know Joshua Edwards

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the heavyweight was victorious.

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Speaker 2: What else on this undercard? Nothing? Nothing of h too much.

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It was disappointed, not noteworthy, right, I.

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Speaker 3: Actually thought going into the fight, And you know, I

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don't even blame like Golden Boy because you make the match.

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There's always multiple ways to assess a fight, how it

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looks on paper, on what actually happens.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Number one, the original co feature, which was your boy

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Floyd's goofield against Jojo Diaz, got canceled because of the injury.

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Well was it not a very good fight to begin with?

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But fulgam and Stevens I thought would be like decent TJ.

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This turned out to be like absolute fucking horrible, terrible, terrible,

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boring fight. You know, even the commentators after about like

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the fourth or fifth round were talking about how it's

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so bad, like, you know, it could go either way,

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it's probably gonna be a draw. And in the end

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it actually did turn out to be a draw. And

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let's just all you know, do like the hula dance

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and the rain dance and the prayer dance to make

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sure they don't have a rematch. It was that bad,

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so that that was very unfortunate, just a garbage fucking

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fight whatever. Amari Jones, who is the middleweight that has

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long been associated with Devin Hainey, who has recently signed

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with Golden Boy, had his first fight with Golden Boy.

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He looked pretty good against a fairly nondescript opponent name

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Shady Ghuer, who was basically the big thing about him

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was Roy Jones as his trainer. But Ami Jones looked

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really good in that fight. He stopped him in the

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third round. Joshua Edwards, who was the American heavyweight in

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the Paris Olympics, making his way as a young, a

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young prospect. He did score a stoppage. It was kind

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of a weird stoppage. Not a particularly scintillating fight, but

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he got the job done and the disappointing. Another fight

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that was disappointing was he had Robin so Far, the

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undefeated cruiserweight who had pummeled on Sergey Sergei Kovalev. This

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was his I think this was his first fight since

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signed with Golden Boy. Also maybe it was his second fight.

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He took on the undefeated Derek Miller, and while he

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won handily, he should have had him out of it.

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Speaker 4: He won a decision.

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Speaker 3: There was no reason why he didn't step on the

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gas a little bit more and get the guy out

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of there in about four rounds instead of went ten

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rounds because he was pummeling the shit out of him,

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but he never really threw that extra punch to make

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sure that the end of the fight. So all in all,

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if you tuned in just for the main event, you

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didn't anything.

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Speaker 1: All right, one and we're going to get to Abdulla

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Mason here in just a second. One other fight of

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note a Friday night pro box fight with Welterway Tiger Johnson,

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the former US Olympian in twenty twenty. He got a

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main event win here in Florida a little bit on

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that please in the recap mode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's with Top Rank And as you know

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and everybody that follows this know, is that in the

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time where they don't have a broadcast deal, they have

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been making deals to have their fighters fight on other

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promoters cards. They've done it with most recently Tiger Johnson

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on Friday Night. They did the previous week with Mikhaela

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Mayer fighting in Montreal on a I of the Tiger card,

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and so they've been, you know, doing that to keep

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their guys busy. But they took a little bit of

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a gamble with Tiger Johnson against Nicholas Flass, a Puerto

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Rican fighter who was with Probox, who was fifteen and

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two with ten knockouts going into the fight, had looked

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pretty good, had been, you know, getting a lot of

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activity on these Pro Box events, and Probox does a

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very good job of putting on competitive fights. You know,

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in my mind that that the Probox series is kind of,

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in large measure sort of replaced what the old Friday

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Night Fights was on ESPN two, where you see a

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lot of good matchups, even if not big names with

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the occasional eliminator title fight once in a blue moon,

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But anyway, this was a nice fight. I was like, Okay,

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let's see what Tiger can do. I thought this was

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absolutely his biggest test. He didn't just pass the test,

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DJ he literally just he just outclass flaws. Like when

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people talk about there are levels in boxing, you know,

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you could show them this fight and explain to them

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what that means, because this is a good amateur that

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was on our Olympic team for the United States in

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twenty twenty. And it feels to me like, and I've

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said this before, I've watched virtually all of Tiger Johnson's fights.

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He's now seventeen, you o. He was on every one

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of those fights, was on you know, ESPN Plus, Undercard,

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Preliminary Action, et cetera. I felt like he was good,

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but he just he always left me wanting more, Like

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he just never showed me that like that he can.

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He's in neutral, Like he didn't go to the next.

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Speaker 1: The next step to be a world class fighter. You

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haven't seen that next step.

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Speaker 3: When I watched this fight against Flas, who was not

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a you know, an unreputable opponent. He was a pretty

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decent opponent. I feel like I'm watching the fight and

476
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,039
it was like something I feel like clicked in Tiger Johnson.

477
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,880
That like like a light went off, or like he

478
00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,839
just something clicked and he's now more dynamic or whatever.

479
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,400
I mean, maybe the opponent has something to do with

480
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,319
that too. I mean, that's certainly a possibility. But he

481
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,880
looked really, really good in this fight. He stopped Flaws

482
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,240
in the fourth round. He could not miss with his

483
00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:30,599
right hand. His jab was very strong, and he basically

484
00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:32,799
did what he wanted and he scored a knockdown, and

485
00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:36,920
then he heavy knockdown in the final seconds of the

486
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,519
third round, and then you know, the Flaws got up

487
00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:42,000
but there the time right now, so he couldn't throw

488
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:43,920
another punch, so the round ended. He went and had

489
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,759
his rest period, and then in the fourth round he

490
00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,880
hit him with a monstrous right hand, hit him with

491
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,720
another right hand. It was sort of window dressing, and

492
00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:52,920
he was already fallen on the mat. And when he

493
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,960
got off to Flaws, his credit, he showed a lot

494
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,680
of balls and hard. He got up to his feet.

495
00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,319
He did beat the count, but he was all over

496
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,200
the place. He like wobbled into the back, you know,

497
00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:02,920
to the post and the referee had no choice stop

498
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,920
to fight right at the end of that round. It's

499
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,799
like literally the time the official time was three minutes

500
00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:08,799
of the fourth round. But that was a big win

501
00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:10,920
for Tiger Johnson. That was the best win of his career.

502
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,880
Like I can now see him competing against like solid

503
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,079
quality guys at one hundred and forty pounds as he

504
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,319
and again he's only seventeen to oh so it's just

505
00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:21,720
like the learning curve is still going on. But that

506
00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:24,799
to me was a big win for him and made

507
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,519
me more of a believer. And congratulations to him. It

508
00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:29,960
was a fun fight to watch and he did a

509
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,079
hell of a job to get to win.

510
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,079
Speaker 2: All right, Recap mode fulfilled.

511
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: Let's talk in the preview mode now about November twenty

512
00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:40,839
second and Abdullah Mason, another top ranked fighter, will fight

513
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,240
for the vacant WBO lightweight title with England Sam Noakes.

514
00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,759
You do not have to wait to get any more

515
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:50,599
build up on this fight. You're gonna get it right here,

516
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,920
right now from Big Dan.

517
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,559
Speaker 3: Well, it's my great pleasure to be joined on our

518
00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:57,960
podcast this week by no other than the lightweight contender,

519
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,519
Abdullah Mason. Abdullah I will let it everybody know what

520
00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:02,440
you have coming up. You're going to be challenging for

521
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,880
the vacant WBO lightweight title, taking on fellow undefeated Sam Noakes.

522
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,960
It'll take place November twenty second on the Ring Magazine

523
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,519
pay per view that Turkey al Chik is putting on

524
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,839
in read Saudi Arabia, and I wanted to start off

525
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,319
by saying, first of all, welcome. I'm very much looking

526
00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,599
forward to this event. I think your fight is it's

527
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,039
a deep card, but this is this is a really

528
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,400
interesting matchup on that show was four years ago, almost

529
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,759
to the day that we're doing this interview. You were

530
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:32,680
seventeen years old when you turned professional. You were boxing

531
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,960
on an undercard on a terrific fight between MICHAELA. Mayer

532
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,920
and Maivahamadus to unify two of the titles in one

533
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,480
hundred and thirty pound division for the women. I was

534
00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:43,319
ringside for that fight in Las Vegas. I had been

535
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:46,680
hearing about you before your professional debut. I've been knowing

536
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,960
Brad Goodman from Top Rank for like thirty years and

537
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,960
telling me to take a look at this kid. He's

538
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,720
going to be something else. He scored a second round knockout,

539
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,440
you look really good, and four years later, here you

540
00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:58,400
are right on the verge of fighting for our world title.

541
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:00,839
So I wonder if you could just, like briefly you

542
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,319
just sort of sum up that journey from pro debut

543
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,680
on a deep you know, deep on an undercard now

544
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,599
going off to Saudi Arabia fight for a world championship.

545
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a It was definitely That's something I've

546
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:16,240
been thinking about too. You know how what four years

547
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,119
ago you said that was almost like to this exact

548
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,599
date where I first turned pro, and right now, I

549
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,799
would say it kind of feels the same way in

550
00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,839
a sense, you know, competing going overseas, competing for this

551
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,839
world championship, you know, going from those amateurs to that

552
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,480
pro debut, it was like a different experience, and going

553
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:39,440
from where I'm at now to this world championship, it

554
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:42,039
kind of feels the same way in a sense. That's

555
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:44,640
what I mean, Like, it's gonna be different experience for

556
00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:48,880
me fighting overseas. You know, my first twelve rounder, a

557
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,119
different crowd. So my main thing is just keeping the

558
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,640
same focus through you know, the differences, and making sure

559
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,000
I'm doing the same thing when it comes to my performance.

560
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 3: So as a young prospect, you got a lot of buzz,

561
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:04,240
A lot of people picked here as the prospect of

562
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,880
the year over the last couple of years. And like

563
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,640
you said, now here, you are getting ready to fight

564
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,279
for world titles. So you've got nineteen fights, nineteen wins,

565
00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:15,319
seventeen knockouts. How do you feel as though you've been

566
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:17,720
brought along and prepared for this moment?

567
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 5: Oh? I feel like I've been prepared perfectly. You know,

568
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,680
I've been with a great team, you know, j Prince

569
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:28,960
Management Top Rank Boxing, and my team, my trainers, my father,

570
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,839
my head trainer, and my brothers as well. You know, everybody.

571
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,359
Every fight that I go through, they've been pushing me

572
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,960
to be better or you know, tweet this, tweak that,

573
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,359
and every fight I've you know, been through, its getting

574
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,319
better and better and better. So with each opponent they've

575
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,599
put in front of me, I end up doing the

576
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:49,440
same thing, you know, or better, you know, even though

577
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,039
the opponents are getting better and better. So Sam Noaks

578
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,160
is the best opponent to date. You know, he'll be

579
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:57,519
the best opposition for me, and I feel like this

580
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,079
performance will be even better.

581
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,839
Speaker 3: So when you had the fight with Johan Vasquez in

582
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,079
November of twenty twenty four. You scored a second round

583
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,799
knockout against him, but before he knocked him out, obviously,

584
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,960
you know, the the headline, I guess was that he

585
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:16,559
knocked you down two times in the first round. And

586
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:18,640
after that fight there was a lot of people that

587
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,119
had sort of hyped you up there We're like, well,

588
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,000
maybe we're not so sure about this guy. He got

589
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,720
dropped twice and there was some criticism. I sort of

590
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:26,160
looked at it the other way. I've seen a lot

591
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,640
of you know, guys get dropped and come back, you know,

592
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,119
with a raging theory and go on to greatness.

593
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: Not that big of a deal. It's boxing.

594
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:34,079
Speaker 3: You get hit, So I sort of looked at it

595
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,880
from the other perspective, like, hey, you know, we've seen

596
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,920
the young man deal with adversity and he came through

597
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,759
it like the champ and you know, ended up getting

598
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,559
the knockout. I wonder what was that experience like for

599
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:45,880
you and maybe dealing with some of the criticism that

600
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,079
came along with that, especially as a very young fighter.

601
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 5: I think, well, the experience for me, it was a

602
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,279
I would say overall, it was an amazing experience. And

603
00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,160
at the time it was shocking. But for myself and

604
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,000
for those who know Box and I feel like we

605
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,359
all saw it the way you've seen it as it

606
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,519
was a great thing to happen as far as you know,

607
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,519
going through the adversity and coming out the way that

608
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:13,440
it did. It shows a lot of growth, a lot

609
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,920
of goodness and just the way we prepare or you know,

610
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,400
just where I'm at in my career, and uh, there's

611
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,640
always going to be critics, so there's not too much

612
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,640
to you know, to pay attention to on that side,

613
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,960
so you've got to I just got to make sure

614
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,880
I'm doing what I'm doing no matter what, you know,

615
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,880
keep growing or you know, learning from that. But it

616
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,319
was definitely a great, great learning experience and uh, like

617
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,079
I say, it was a turning point for the better.

618
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,559
Speaker 3: So you have won three fights in up since then,

619
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,400
so obviously it's not been any you know, impact certainly,

620
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,359
and you're still n defeated in fighting for the title.

621
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000
As I mentioned, uh before this fight with No because

622
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,480
I guess your biggest fight, your biggest name, your biggest

623
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,119
win must have been I think anyway, your fifth round

624
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,920
knockout of the very battle tested Uh, you know contender

625
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,920
Jeremiah Nakatilla back uh, you know, two fights ago, and

626
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,640
he was a guy that had fought you know, some

627
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,640
quality fighters. He had lost to them fair enough, but

628
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,519
they were guys that that boxing fans know, of course, Stevenson,

629
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,200
Miguel burt Chelt, you know people along those lines, Raymond Maritaya,

630
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,680
even the prospect Tito Mercado. So what do you think

631
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,680
that win did for you in terms of your thoughts about, Hey,

632
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,319
you know what I can compete with these experienced veterans

633
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,559
whose only losses have come against guys that have gone

634
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:27,119
on to you know, become champions or you know, people

635
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,200
that boxing fans know, or even like Mercado, top prospect

636
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:30,759
like yourself.

637
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: One thing about me is anytime I kind of get

638
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,000
in a ring with somebody with more experience or you know,

639
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:40,359
even in the past before I turned pro sparring with

640
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,160
like world champions. Every every time I step in the

641
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,279
ring with someone like that, it's more of a solidification

642
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:48,599
of what I have. You know, in my mind, I'd

643
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,039
be like, Okay, it shows me what I have. Okay,

644
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:52,920
I'm good at this, I'm good at that, or I'm

645
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,599
at this level or Okay, that was kind of easier.

646
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,319
I could step it up a little more or whatever

647
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:58,400
the case may be. Oh I got to work a

648
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,480
little harder. But it's usually silification, letting myself know, you know,

649
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,200
and letting my team know that what we have is

650
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,640
is something good and there's something that we're definitely grateful

651
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,880
for it, but it's something that we've been working on

652
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,559
the right things.

653
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:19,079
Speaker 3: I understand that that fight I mentioned against Nakatiya, originally

654
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,640
that was going to be the co feature. The main

655
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,160
event that night was te Shn Davis supposed to be

656
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,079
defending the WBO lightweight title against Edwin Dale Los Santos.

657
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720
You know, anybody that follows boxing knows what happened there.

658
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,119
He came in four pounds plus overweight. The fight got canceled.

659
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,880
Top rank you know, decided to keep the show on

660
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,960
when they couldn't work it out. Obviously, you got elevated

661
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,920
into the main event. What was sort of like, you know,

662
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,559
your thoughts about, Okay, now I'm in the main event

663
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,599
was did it add any pressure to you or nerves

664
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,759
or just feel like, you know what, I got an

665
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,880
opportunity now as the main event. Maybe this show myself

666
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,920
to a greater audience.

667
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 5: Perhaps for myself, I would say I was more excitement involved, like, Okay,

668
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:00,160
I'm excited, it's my main event. You know I've in

669
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,240
here before. As far as that's that was the same

670
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,480
Virginia at the same time where I had the other

671
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,119
big fight, you know what Vasquez. I was excited to

672
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,920
be able to come back and main event there. But

673
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,640
it was also composure because I know that it's the

674
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,519
same thing as any other fight. You know, you got

675
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,000
to stay focused and stay composed to that. You know,

676
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,039
even being the main event. You know, people might be

677
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,519
crazy excited or want me to go crazy in there

678
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,279
and try to knock his head off. But for me

679
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,200
it's you know, I got to keep my composer and

680
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,279
do the same thing, you know, main event or not.

681
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: So when when even going into that fight, you know

682
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,960
where you're rated in the WBO, you know that you're

683
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,440
getting close to being perhaps a mandatory Obviously, once the

684
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,599
title was stripped from him, the WBO, like the organization Zoo,

685
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,000
they look at their top rated contenders. It was you

686
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,720
in one position and Sam Noaks in another position, and

687
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,799
you became the fight for the vacant title.

688
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,519
Speaker 4: But the title.

689
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: Shot kind of came out of the blue because nobody

690
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,880
expected that Keshan would miss way and be stripped of

691
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,759
the title. So this is probably coming a lot quicker

692
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,799
in terms of the title opportunity for you than maybe

693
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,160
originally expected. So when what was like your reaction when

694
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,559
you realized I'm getting my title shot in the next fight.

695
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:13,400
It's not against you know, Keishawn Davis, but it's gonna

696
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,359
be against Sam Noaks for a vacant title. But how

697
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,079
did you feel when you realized, Okay, title is stripped,

698
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:20,799
I'm getting the shot at this vacant help.

699
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,759
Speaker 5: Again, it was excitement. You know, being a world champion

700
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,000
or contenting for a title is a huge step up

701
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,640
in boxing from anything else, you know, from from Olympics,

702
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:38,200
from you know what, multiple time national champion as an amateur,

703
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:40,799
or you know, any of these smaller titles as a pros.

704
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,880
You know, being a world champion is I'm huge. So

705
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,440
being able to contend for that and not just being

706
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,200
ranked at the number one spot but actually contending for

707
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,200
the world title, it's like, I don't know, I would

708
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,559
say it's just something that I'm looking forward to now

709
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,279
like once once once that was once that was right

710
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,160
there in front of me. It became my reality.

711
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,359
Speaker 3: Kind of like kind of pinch yourself a little bit,

712
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:07,720
you say, what kind of like have to pinch yourself

713
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,480
a little bit, like I'm I'm I know my position,

714
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:10,480
but now I'm actually getting the.

715
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 5: Fight right right? No, for sure? Yeah, yeah, because I

716
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,279
knew I was creeping up on it. You know, I

717
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,519
was already ranked number two at the time. I was

718
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,440
about to fight for it. But you know, uh, being

719
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,079
able to forward, to turn over and for me to

720
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,759
you know, content for that right now is like I said,

721
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:29,680
It's also involved composure, but I'm also excited. So you know,

722
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,960
we just uh we can't wait for it, man, like

723
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,200
two three weeks now to come.

724
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: So, so what do you think about Sam Oaks. I've

725
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,440
seen him fight a few times. You guys have a

726
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,440
very similar record. He has seventeen fights. You have nineteen fights.

727
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,559
But you're twenty one years old. He's twenty eight year

728
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:43,799
old's a little bit older, a little bit of a

729
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,359
later start or uh you know, in terms of how

730
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:48,799
he's been brought along. Uh your I looked at your

731
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,400
record just to clarify. It feels to me like you

732
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,279
faced roughly similar kind of opposition. You know, he in

733
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,079
the UKU and the United States. What is your take

734
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,519
on him? What do you what do you think about him?

735
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 5: I feel like sa is a He's a worthy opponent.

736
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:05,839
You know, me and him are, like you said, we

737
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,079
have faced similar opposition in a sense, and we're in

738
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,799
the same places in both of our careers. So it'll

739
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,519
be just as much of a test for him as

740
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,480
it is for me. You know, we both undefeated, uh

741
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:20,680
right there, closing in on twenty fights, So it's a

742
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400
perfect test for us both, and it's going to show

743
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:29,640
uh boxing. I guess you know a lot about you know,

744
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,359
whoever's going to be this next world champion.

745
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: So when the bell rings, what kind of style fight

746
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,200
do you see it? I am assuming that either yourself

747
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240
certainly your team have taken a look at some of

748
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,359
the videos to sort of get a take on what

749
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,599
he's all about. And when you when you think about it,

750
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,880
how do you feel like the fight goes in terms

751
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,359
of the style.

752
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:47,559
Speaker 5: In terms of the style, I feel like this is

753
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,839
gonna be a fun fight. That's all I'm gonna say is, Yeah,

754
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,079
that's that's the style of it. It's gonna be really

755
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,839
fun for y'all, it's gonna be fun for us.

756
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:57,519
Speaker 4: No one's going to be running around the ring. I

757
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:58,000
don't believe.

758
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,559
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so.

759
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,319
Speaker 3: So this is kind of a big thing that I

760
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,200
think about. If you win this fight, you become, at

761
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,320
age twenty one, the youngest active male world champion in boxing.

762
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,599
Of all the guys that titles, I mean, I don't

763
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,280
know if you knew that the youngest presently is your

764
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,320
fellow top rank fighters Anders Ayas, who was twenty two

765
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,239
years old when he won his world title. He is

766
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,639
now twenty three years old. Did you realize that was

767
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:22,880
going to be the case if you're the winner, and

768
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,559
if so, what does that mean to you that you could,

769
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,039
you know, create that kind of history.

770
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did realize that that's that's something that's huge

771
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,840
for boxing, but not just for boxing, but also for Cleveland, Ohio.

772
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,280
You know, to have not won a world champion, but

773
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,719
to that world champion, being the youngest active male world champion,

774
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
it's something he used to bring back to my hometown

775
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:49,199
and to be able to want to contend and have

776
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,599
a fight in Cleveland again. I don't know when that

777
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,039
would be, but soon I would love to do as soon.

778
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,119
But that'd be a huge thing, and I'm just excited

779
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,719
for that because it's something that you hear what Mike

780
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,800
Tyson has become world champion at what like twenty years

781
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,440
old or something or.

782
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was not only not only the youngest champion

783
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:07,960
of boxing at time, but in the history of boxing

784
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,519
had become the youngest heavyweight champion at that age.

785
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's that's huge, that's huge. You know, I'm

786
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,119
excited for it.

787
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 4: Well, certainly if you are the champion.

788
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure having been the covering top rank for a

789
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,800
long time, they know how to bring their guys home

790
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,559
for the hometown fight. They've done it a million times

791
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,119
with lots of their their championship fighters. I wanted to

792
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,159
just wrap up with this, but when you found I mean,

793
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:29,519
you knew you were gonna be fighting Oaks for the

794
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,519
vacant title, but I don't know if you necessarily knew

795
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
that it was gonna be uh in Riad, Saudi Arabia.

796
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,719
So I'm wondering what were your thoughts about, uh, you know,

797
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,039
making the trip to Saudi Arabia to have this opportunity

798
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,119
with all of your other fights obviously have taken place

799
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:42,880
in the United States.

800
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

801
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,079
Speaker 5: Once, once you learned it was gonna be in Saturday, Arabia,

802
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,159
we knew it was gonna be different, and we knew

803
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:49,840
it was gonna be something big, you know, like this

804
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,760
is a huge car for world championship fights on the

805
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,320
same fight card. Originally we had thought it might have

806
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,719
been on the Crawford Canelo undercart, but for some reason

807
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,119
it was pushed back a while because I think that

808
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,360
was a good date to have it at the time.

809
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,599
But everything happens for a reason, and right now number

810
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:10,440
twenty second, I feel like it's be the time for

811
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,119
me to shine.

812
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,159
Speaker 3: Are you excited in any way to be fighting, you know,

813
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,039
in that sort of environment, you know, different than what

814
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,519
you're used to, and to make that trip overseas for

815
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:19,119
the fight.

816
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, for sure. But the first things first

817
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,039
is you got to handle business, so you know, wherever

818
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,599
I go to fight, you know, the first thing on

819
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:27,320
my mind is handing on of that business. And then

820
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,079
I could be excited about the results.

821
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,079
Speaker 3: After totally get that, Abdullah, I appreciate that time. I

822
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,159
wish you the best of luck in the fight, and

823
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,599
hopefully we get a chance to talk after the fact.

824
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure. Thank you, Dan. It's great to

825
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,800
learn that you were at my pro debut because when

826
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,079
you first mentioned it, I'm like, man like, he's sound

827
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:47,760
like he was there. You know a lot about it,

828
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,719
but you being ringside is something exciting as well. So

829
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,760
I appreciate you for your support along the way. You

830
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,719
bet best of luck to you, Yes, sir, thank you.

831
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: So we repeat, that's going to be an awesome card,

832
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,320
going to build it up more. It's not this coming weekend.

833
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,519
It's the weekend of the twenty second and two weekends.

834
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:08,480
B aranxious Ford and I know Abdulla Mason has been

835
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,079
on the rise. Sam Noakes is on the rise in England.

836
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,760
Compelling fight, not the biggest fight on this card, but

837
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,760
compelling fight.

838
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: Obviously.

839
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: Listen, this is a very good card. There's other fights

840
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,480
on the on the lower part of the card, but

841
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,360
in terms of the four main fights on the show,

842
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,760
they're all interesting. You've got the main event David Benabiddie's

843
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,239
defending the WBC light heavyweight title against Anthony Yard. Two

844
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,159
good punchers, high stakes obviously, Brian Norman against Devin Haney.

845
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:36,920
Brian Norman defending the w BO welterweight title. Another excellent matchup.

846
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,360
I think this is my favorite fight on the card

847
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,800
is the Jesse Bam Rodriguez fight against Fernando Puma Martinez.

848
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,039
That's a three belt unification fight in the junior banhamweight division.

849
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,599
And then Abdulla Mason against Sam Oaks. They're fighting for

850
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:50,840
the vacant title, which was the belt that was tripped

851
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,519
from the overweight Kishon Davis, which was ironic and obviously

852
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,039
Abdulla Mason. I talked about this on the night that

853
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,199
it should have been Keishon Davis defending the title but

854
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,440
had been stripped the previous night and ended up having

855
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,000
to fight canceled because he was like four pounds plus overweight.

856
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,199
Abdullah Mason was in the co feature that night. In

857
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,199
his fight got bumped up to the main event. He

858
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,639
scored a win, and because the title had become vacant,

859
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,400
the next two top contenders in the WBO ratings were

860
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,519
ordered to beat for the vacant title. That happened to

861
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:18,920
be Abdullah Mason and Sam Noakes. This is a very

862
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,159
good fight two undefeated guys. Mason, as we discussed, also,

863
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,159
he's only twenty one years old. If he wins the fight,

864
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,599
he will become the youngest active male world champion in boxing.

865
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,960
The youngest champion right now is Xanders Ayas, who is

866
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,320
twenty three, and this will be even a couple years

867
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,280
younger than that. So Sam Oaks is a little bit

868
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,320
older at twenty eight, but he's got They both have

869
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,760
a similar number fight, so this is a good matchup.

870
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,280
I'm super excited about this. I've been watching Mason from

871
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,440
the beginning. I attended his professional debut and he's looked

872
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,400
very dynamic and you know, he's a That's the first

873
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,920
time I've had a formal interview with him, even though

874
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,280
I met him a few times. Really nice kid, and

875
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,079
I give him a lot of extra points because he

876
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,920
was punctual. If you're punctual for interviews, you get bonus

877
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,360
points and raykios both. So my appreciation for the organizers

878
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,079
of that interview at top Rank for hooking that up,

879
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:11,119
Evan Corn and An Abdullah forgiving me the time time

880
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:11,360
for it.

881
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:13,639
Speaker 1: And as the Brits say, is that going to be

882
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:15,800
a cracker? Let's see if that one's a cracker on

883
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,079
that undercard more time in the preview mode, but good stuff.

884
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:23,039
Grabbing that some news before we are gone you've been

885
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,559
talking about the top ranked fighters and who's going to

886
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:29,159
fight next and where? And Xander Ziez who is right

887
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:31,480
now the answer to the trivia question, he's the last

888
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,599
top rank headliner on the last show they did on

889
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,760
the ESPN deal. He is now going to get the

890
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,840
opportunity to fight the WBA Junior middleweight champion. Give me

891
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,199
the details on when we're going to have this fight

892
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,480
coming actually in the new year.

893
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,599
Speaker 3: So we will be fighting a boss Burrow. This is

894
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,880
the guy that had been elevated from the second tier

895
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,360
level when Terrence Crawford was stripped and or vacated when

896
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,400
the Canelo Alvarez fight took place. Remember, Burrew had been

897
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,320
in that awesome fight against the o Nsks that was

898
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,280
just a super you know, a tremendous battle back. I

899
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,719
believe it was in August scored a knockdown and like

900
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,559
the literally the last punch he threw of the fight

901
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,639
to if you had any doubt that he already should

902
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:10,559
have been the winner, that pretty much stealed it up,

903
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,679
even though he should have been ahead at that point.

904
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,320
And to Xandersias's credit, when he won the title, he's

905
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,079
been talking about this ever since. He won the belt

906
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,480
back in July. That a couple of things. One, he

907
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,840
wanted to have a home, go back home to Puerto Rico.

908
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:26,719
He lives in South Florida, but he was born in

909
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,719
Puerto Rico, even though he spent most of his life

910
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,320
living in Florida. But he wanted to have a fight

911
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,559
in Puerto Rico to defend the title. And he didn't

912
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:35,599
want to fight just a nobody. He wanted a quality

913
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,079
of pony. Wanted either a champion or you know, some

914
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:41,320
significant fight and top rank. There were some at the

915
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,920
company that didn't want to do that fight. They were

916
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,119
wanting to match him with somebody that maybe was a

917
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:47,400
little bit lesser or not a champion, or however you

918
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,199
want to describe it. But the kid was pretty steadfast

919
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:51,880
and they were able to make the deal with the

920
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,760
boss Beru and they're doing that fight. It's going to

921
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,400
take place January thirty first in San Juan. Top Rank

922
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:59,519
hasn't formally announced the fight, but they have a press

923
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,360
conference gied for the Arena in San Juan on Wednesday

924
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,360
where this fight will take place. I confirm the fact

925
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,599
that it is happening with people at Top Rank because

926
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:10,719
and also with the WBO, who obviously has to give

927
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,480
their blessing to the fights of this fight is happening,

928
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,000
and it's a good matchup. And the thing about it

929
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,440
is I have detailed in discussed a thousand times DJ

930
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,679
about the lack of the Top Rank broadcast platform. It

931
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,119
is the belief by a sawm at Top Rank that

932
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,679
with this fight being scheduled for January thirty first, and

933
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,760
there being a little breadcrumbs and hints that they're getting

934
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,800
close to some type of deal, it seems to me

935
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,159
that I would think that it would not be unreasonable

936
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,760
to say that when this fight happens, this will be

937
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,760
the main event of the first card of whatever their

938
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,119
new deal is, because they're not making this fight like

939
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,519
the fights we've been talking about, whether it's Raphael Spinosa's

940
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:47,000
upcoming defense or the one that just happened with michaela

941
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,199
or Tiger Johnson fighting on Probox, or whatever other fight

942
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,519
you want to talk about. The Brian Norman is also

943
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,280
on this card with Abdula Mason that's being bankrolled by

944
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Turkey Al Sheik. Their fighters are fighting, but they're not

945
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,840
fighting on Top rank card. This is being positioned as

946
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,119
a Top Rank only card. Meaning they're going to bear

947
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,559
the brenth of all expenses for the event, not just

948
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,679
maybe having a kick and a few dollars for one

949
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,719
of their fighters, or however you want to describe it,

950
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,159
for like maybe to meet their minimum, that type of thing.

951
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,039
So I would be rather surprised if they weren't going

952
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,800
to do a fight, that they would do a fight

953
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,920
of this caliber and not have some financial backing from

954
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,840
a broadcaster. So we'll see how that plays out. But

955
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,639
in terms of the fight itself, good matchup, you can't

956
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,159
you know, they may not be household names, but if

957
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,360
you tell me, you can make a unification fight. And

958
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,639
both of the guys deserve credit because they're doing this

959
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,880
in their first defense, not taking soft touches, because they

960
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,159
both won their titles in their last fights in July

961
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,159
for Xander in August four Burrew, and you know what,

962
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:47,239
they're going into the most makeable unification that they can take.

963
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,800
The other champions are otherwise occupied. Martaz Laiev is fighting

964
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,559
Josh Kelly Fondora supposed he's going to get rescheduled against

965
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:56,800
Keith Thurman, and so that leaves these two guys as

966
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,519
the other two with the titles to fight each other.

967
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: We just said at the beginning of this post cast.

968
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: You've got Jaron Ennis, You've got Virgil Ortiz, You've still

969
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,760
You've got maybe Tim Zoo if he can get back

970
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,760
on the company. You got plenty of compelling names. I

971
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,320
don't know about a Charlow name. I don't know about

972
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,280
a narrow Spence name. They again have been gone for

973
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:12,679
too long.

974
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: Let's see. But if one fifty four is definitely compelling,

975
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,199
and add this to the list for James, this.

976
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,119
Speaker 3: Is a good matchup for that division. And then you know,

977
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,239
if you've watched Xander in his recent fights and you

978
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,800
saw the Barrew fight against Tees, he made an excellent,

979
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:24,480
exciting fight.

980
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: All right, A couple more things.

981
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: WBA bandamweight title holders say, yas assume me in Japan

982
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,840
will now be fighting. My gosh, he's still around. He's

983
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,679
still fighting as a bandam weight. He's got a challenge

984
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:41,679
for the title again. Donito Donair and give the give

985
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,400
the deats, give the particulars here.

986
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,639
Speaker 3: Forty two years young for Nono Donair already a guy

987
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,960
who's won world titles in the flyweight division, the bantamweight division,

988
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,360
Junior Featherwate and featherweight. I've been fighting primarily at banda

989
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,760
weight for the last two years, last few years when

990
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,159
he dropped back down. Uh now he he In his

991
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,440
last fight, he went to Argentina and he won the

992
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,679
WBA interim title. Who was unfortunate the fight was short

993
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,840
circuit to buy a headbutt. It wound up being a

994
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:12,960
ninth round technical decision. He was coming off for that fight.

995
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,880
He hadn't fought for almost two years, a twenty three

996
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,159
month layoff. But he got the interim belt and now

997
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,119
he's got the opportunity to fight for the full title

998
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:23,119
by going to Tokyo to do this fight against Assumi.

999
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,360
In every fight that he fights could be the end

1000
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,840
of his career. He's obviously a short fire Hall of

1001
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,119
famer if you get get into the minutia of the belts.

1002
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,400
Remember Sasumi had won the title. Afterwards he had to

1003
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,239
have eye surgery, and so the WBA made him a

1004
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,760
champion in recess because he was going to be out

1005
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,280
for a little bit, and they elevated the other title

1006
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,079
there Antonio Vargas, the American fighter who was an Olympian

1007
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,519
for the US, who was at a Kissimi, Florida. They

1008
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:52,360
elevated him to the full champion and sort of around

1009
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,559
the same time frame, Susumi was cleared to return to health.

1010
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,519
You know, he was healthy, was cleared to return to

1011
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:03,199
the ring on Unfortunately, Antonio Vargas his mother passed away

1012
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,159
and he decided, I'm going to take some time off,

1013
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,440
so they reinstated Sasume. He's coming back. They put Vargas

1014
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,400
in recess to deal with his personal situation with his

1015
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,920
family tragedy, and so SUSUMEI is back as the champion.

1016
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,000
He's going to defend that against non No don't Air.

1017
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,119
Originally they were they wanted to be Sussume against Vargas

1018
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:25,880
to consolidate you know, the two bell or the interim recess,

1019
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,119
however you want to describe it. But anyway, anytime Nondo

1020
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,400
Dunair is going to get an opportunity against an undefeated

1021
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,039
champion like s Assume, you got to be interested because

1022
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:36,559
this is a guy that's, you know, gonna be a

1023
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:39,679
first ballot Canastota International Boxing Hall of Famer.

1024
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: On don't Air.

1025
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: You know, he's always been one of my favorite fighters

1026
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,320
for a long time, a wonderful guy. We'll see if

1027
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,239
he's got anything left in Thoh's old legs at forty

1028
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,000
two years old. It is not like the most experienced

1029
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,119
you know, battle test and fighter out there. Even though

1030
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,400
he's he's only twelve to zero with three three draws

1031
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,400
and eight knockouts, he's already twenty nine years old. Sheelse

1032
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:04,920
all right, December for that one December seventeenth and December

1033
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,440
seventeenth in Japan. And one more nugget with Claressa Shields.

1034
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,360
Don't snicker when I read what you wrote, which is

1035
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,440
undisputed women's heavyweight champion. Is there another women's heavyweight that

1036
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:20,800
is of any relevance right now? No, while she's the

1037
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,960
undisputed women's heavyweight champion. Anyway, Claressa Shields.

1038
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: Has a new deal.

1039
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: Her deal it expired, and it's a lucrative deal. I

1040
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,760
for one, when I saw the numbers before we're even

1041
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,280
going to talk about it now, went okay, really, But

1042
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,159
in any event, good for her if you can get

1043
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,440
the bag like the kid get the bag.

1044
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: By the way, when you mentioned that she was the

1045
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,239
undisputed women's heavyweight champion, when I sent you that on

1046
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,760
the rundown, it was not sent as a matter of opinion.

1047
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,119
It's just what she is factually, but she's also and

1048
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,239
maybe it's not factual because people could potentially have a

1049
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,639
dad heard of opinion, but I think most people viewer

1050
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,000
as also the number one female boxer pound for pound,

1051
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,880
which in some ways is more relevant than her being

1052
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,920
and undisputed champion in the heavyweight division. But nonetheless, CLARESSA.

1053
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,719
Shields is a the you know, to me anyway, the

1054
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,360
best female boxer in the world. Unfortunately at the moment,

1055
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,239
does not have a lot of competition to fight because

1056
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,599
she is fighting at a weight class it is so

1057
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:18,519
to use a word we love so much on the pod, bereft. Yeah,

1058
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:21,159
and she has said many times she certainly could make

1059
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,159
the lower weight that she wanted to. So I would

1060
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,480
personally like to see her fight uh in the in

1061
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:26,920
the little in the in a little bit of the

1062
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,599
lesser weight class to get a little more competition, like

1063
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:33,039
against you know, she could do a rematch against Franchion

1064
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,159
Cruise Desern, which would be good. They fought in their

1065
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:37,599
pro debuts against each other years ago. She could fight

1066
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:41,440
to Dasa Green, another fighter who's got reputation who has

1067
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,280
never fought her before.

1068
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 4: But whatever.

1069
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,639
Speaker 3: But the main thing here is her. She had been

1070
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,360
promoted for the last several years by Dimitri Salita and

1071
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,519
his Salida Promotions company. That contract was up and she

1072
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:53,960
was in free agency, and in the end, uh, I

1073
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,000
guess she went and she talked to different people see

1074
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,000
what her value was or what else was out there,

1075
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,679
and in the end she went back to Dmitri and

1076
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:06,199
brought on some group called Win Records, which is this

1077
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,800
is their first athlete. I guess they're going to be

1078
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,119
involved with, and they signed her to a co promotion

1079
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:14,440
deal that they announced as being worth a minimum guarantee

1080
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,119
at eight million dollars, which has to be front of it.

1081
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:20,119
I don't know if it's this. I can't say what

1082
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:21,800
the what the records were because I don't know what

1083
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,559
Katie Taylor and Amanda have been making in recent fights.

1084
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:27,199
But it's certainly among the biggest deals ever for a

1085
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:29,239
female boxer, without question.

1086
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,159
Speaker 1: Call what the skeptic in me on how are they

1087
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,880
ever going to make that kind of money back with

1088
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,679
her fighting? Well anything else they're doing. And I know

1089
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:37,480
a few things about that.

1090
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, where they come, where they get it's not

1091
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:42,440
eight million dollars per fight. Keep in mind, it's eight

1092
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,800
million dollars over the course of I think it's like

1093
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,159
four fights. She does actually pretty good numbers on his

1094
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:49,360
own by all accounts, and they do pay a good

1095
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,480
license fee for her events because they draw numbers relatively speaking.

1096
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,480
She also has done an excellent job when she fights

1097
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:58,440
at home and basically has made the Little Caesars Arena

1098
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,800
in Detroit almost like her home away from home. She's

1099
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,199
from Flint, but that's a major arena where the NHL

1100
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,000
team plays in Detroit, the Red Wings, and they've done

1101
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,320
very I think they're sold out for their last show

1102
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,559
they had up there, and so they do nice gates

1103
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,840
for her. She does garner some sponsors, so it's not

1104
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,920
out of the realm of possibility for them to do

1105
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,159
something with those type of numbers. She's not fighting on

1106
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,440
pay per view, so that's not an issue. They don't

1107
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,719
have to worry about that part of it. For the

1108
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,239
most part, the question is who can they get her

1109
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,719
to fight that people are not going to get sick

1110
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,679
er sick of her fight a fighting people that not

1111
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,000
only are given no chance before the fight, but then

1112
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,719
get in the ring and can't win a single round.

1113
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,360
But again, that's nothing to you don't blame thar Usa.

1114
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,639
She goes in there and does the job. She's a

1115
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,599
great fighter, all respect her. I've always liked watching her

1116
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:44,199
fight for the most part. And so good first she

1117
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,559
she is getting paid a tremendous amount of money, you know,

1118
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,239
and and the women at the top level are starting

1119
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,960
to at least catch up to some degree with some

1120
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,719
of the men who are making a lot of money.

1121
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: So good for them, all right.

1122
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: I think we have sufficed here on the recap mode

1123
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,800
with the or Tees win. We also heard from Abdullah Mason,

1124
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,679
and now we get ready for Chris Ubank Junior and

1125
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,280
Connor Ben rematch fight week later on.

1126
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: In this week. You and I are anxious to build

1127
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,119
that fight up.

1128
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: We got some you know, we got some more compelling

1129
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:18,280
fights coming here in November, which we like. So we

1130
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,960
start heading down and closing out the year. Anything else

1131
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,239
or are we good?

1132
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 4: I think we're good.

1133
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,079
Speaker 3: I have to say though, as far as that you

1134
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,559
just mentioned with you Bank and Ben the rematch, I

1135
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,039
still think at this moment in time that the first

1136
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,639
fight that they had earlier in the year is probably

1137
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,400
the fight of the year so far. It's not whether

1138
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,719
the rematch can can match that or exceed that. Obviously

1139
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,239
remains to be seen, but the stage is set. I

1140
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,039
think it will be compelling and it just goes to

1141
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,760
show you that you don't need a world title or

1142
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,599
a major world title to make a big event. And

1143
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,239
what I didn't mention we were talking about Ennis. The

1144
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,559
prospect of Boots Ennis against Virgil Ortis is they're both

1145
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,440
interim title holders, but it would be a very significant

1146
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,880
fight without a major world title at stake. And to me,

1147
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,800
there's nothing wrong with that. You know, belts do matter

1148
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,840
and they're important, but you don't have to have a

1149
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,760
belt for every single fight that ever happens. Would it

1150
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,679
be ideal if there were?

1151
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 4: Sure? But who cares. You want to see the matchup.

1152
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 3: You want to see the two best guys or two

1153
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,480
of the best guys in that weight class, and they're

1154
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,639
gonna fight each other. I don't think anybody is going

1155
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:19,280
to be upset if there's no major world title. I

1156
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,480
joked around, like, are we going to get a if

1157
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,400
they make the matchup and it's offishal a, we're going

1158
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,360
to get the interim championship unification?

1159
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: Oh please?

1160
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: All right on that note, let's have a good week.

1161
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,079
Speaker 1: We'll reconvene later in the week looking more at you

1162
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:35,719
Bank Junior beIN the rematch.

1163
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan, Rayphiel.

1164
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I am merely TJ.

1165
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: Reeves.

1166
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,559
Speaker 1: Make sure you're following subscribing on this year podcast feed

1167
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:44,280
as we preview most of the time going in the

1168
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,599
weekend and recap coming off of it. We work hard

1169
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,239
diligently find the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page as.

1170
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: Well, I will say to the pod audience.

1171
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: We will put the Abdulah Mason interview up where you

1172
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,599
can see he and Dan talking it over on the

1173
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,920
YouTube page, as well as nostalgic content and much more

1174
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,599
or live components also coming on the on the YouTube

1175
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,840
page Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. For now, we are good.

1176
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,159
You've been with us on the Fight for Each to

1177
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:08,800
Nite recap

1178
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 4: Pot mm hmm.