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<v Speaker 1>You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello there, and welcome back to the Disconnected. We are

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<v Speaker 2>here doing a little bit of a catch up with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that we talked to earlier this year. We got

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<v Speaker 2>the director, filmmaker, writer and everything extraordinary, Damian Leahy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for coming back on sir. Thank you Ryan. It's

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<v Speaker 3>great to be back on here. I had a wonderful

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<v Speaker 3>time speaking with you last time. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I want to kick kick things off

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<v Speaker 3>with some holiday some holiday physical media and real real quick,

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<v Speaker 3>because I am I am still here in Pakistan. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in Karachi. It's early morning here, I'm having some having

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<v Speaker 3>some coffee, and I was recently, I was recently doing

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<v Speaker 3>some shopping right for Christmas. So Christmas shopping, some holiday

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<v Speaker 3>shopping as you do, and what I wanted to yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, I was talking to some friends of

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<v Speaker 3>mine and you know, when when we were younger, our

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<v Speaker 3>parents would be the ones that would like surprise us

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<v Speaker 3>with gifts of course, but now for years now that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm older, like I'm the one that surprises them with

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<v Speaker 3>gifts and they just ask me to shoot them some

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon links. You know what I mean. And so so

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<v Speaker 3>it's like reverse like I'm the one that like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>bends into a pretzel trying to get all these thoughtful,

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<v Speaker 3>clever and creative gifts, just like they used to when

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, you know, in grade school and in

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<v Speaker 3>high school. And they're the ones now that are you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just get the obvious stuff that like get be the

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<v Speaker 3>obvious stuff, right, They're just like they're just like, don't

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<v Speaker 3>forget to send us a couple of weeks on Brad,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, on Black Friday for you know, for what

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<v Speaker 3>you want. But I was doing that. So I was

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<v Speaker 3>looking for a couple of things, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>was looking at the prices on Amazon. And one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I've tracked, and you and I have kind of

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this is I've kind of been tracking how

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<v Speaker 3>like not just Amazon, but in general, the deals that

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<v Speaker 3>companies haven't rolling out aren't very aren't very enticing, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. Absolutely, like like you're seeing a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of seventeen percent off, you know, like like like

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<v Speaker 3>like up to forty percent off, Like like a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of years back for Amazon, it wasn't up to forty

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<v Speaker 3>percent off. It was up to seventy percent off, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I was looking at the steel books,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, during the pandemic, I scooped up and

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<v Speaker 3>before the pandemic, I scooped up quite a few cool

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<v Speaker 3>steel books. And you know, I picked up that Scarface

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<v Speaker 3>steel book, the Blues Brothers one that had the the

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<v Speaker 3>alternate cut of the movie on there, the Bridge Over River,

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<v Speaker 3>Kawhi steel book, you know, those more art you know,

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<v Speaker 3>mid artistic design ones they were doing there. And I

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<v Speaker 3>picked up, you know, Rock and Roll High School, which

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<v Speaker 3>was awesome. I got that steel book, but again, those

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<v Speaker 3>were those were in the context of those being movies

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<v Speaker 3>that I kind of already wanted to have in my collection.

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<v Speaker 3>And I got the steel book because of the flash sales,

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<v Speaker 3>because the the flash sales the steel Book was was

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<v Speaker 3>in some cases cheaper than the standard verse. Very true. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like they want to get rid of those. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And and so that was during that was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>during the pandemic. And you know, I'm not gonna you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not ashamed to say that I'm on a budget.

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<v Speaker 3>We all should be. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, I'm always

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<v Speaker 3>trying to find good deals on these things. So and

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<v Speaker 3>I got them all like Amazon was constantly having flash

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<v Speaker 3>sales on those things. Oh yeah, And I got most

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<v Speaker 3>of those between eight dollars and ninety nine cents and

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen ninety nine. I think seventeen ninety nine for Fargo

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<v Speaker 3>is the most I paid. Eight ninety nine was the cheapest,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got I got Snatch Steel Book and then

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<v Speaker 3>but most of them I was scooping up for like

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<v Speaker 3>twelve ninety nine, you know, like the Psycho Steel Book

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<v Speaker 3>and the Court Dobula and Steel Book, you know, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Around that time they were pushed by best Buy all

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<v Speaker 2>that competition.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, and actually Snatch I got from best By. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>there you go. And so I got, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>splurged in got the I got a Mondo edition of

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<v Speaker 3>Ghost in a Shell that I like, splurge and bought

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<v Speaker 3>myself as a as a too Damien from Damien Birthday

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<v Speaker 3>President one year. So that was like twenty five bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was the I don't know if you were

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<v Speaker 3>aware they had the but there were two versions of

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<v Speaker 3>Ghost in the Shell available yep. There was one that

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<v Speaker 3>was like super digitally remastered, and then there was one

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<v Speaker 3>that retained the more like film quality, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and depending on your taste, your preference, you could get

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<v Speaker 3>either or you know what I mean, Oh yeah, both

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<v Speaker 3>were available. So I got that one. But I was

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<v Speaker 3>so I was looking at the steel books on the

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<v Speaker 3>Black Friday on Amazon, and you know, the deals were

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<v Speaker 3>not very good, right, And then I wound up And

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<v Speaker 3>here's the here's kind of like the unspoken rule with

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<v Speaker 3>my family when it comes to like gifts around the holidays.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, air on the special edition, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's the holidays. So it's like, if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get somebody a book, usually get the hardback, right.

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<v Speaker 3>If you get somebody a movie, it's usually the two

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<v Speaker 3>disc special edition, whatever, you know. And so I and

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<v Speaker 3>I also try to pick out things we can all

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<v Speaker 3>watch together, right. So I got a steel book for

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<v Speaker 3>the Guns of Navarone I had. I shot my parents

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<v Speaker 3>the links to that. I think that was like twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two bucks yep. And that was on and that was

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<v Speaker 3>on sale, and that was on the that was like

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<v Speaker 3>the cheaper side, and that was just I believe the

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<v Speaker 3>Blu ray. I'm not sure if I have the four

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<v Speaker 3>K in it. I don't. I don't do four K.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't care. I noticed that they eliminated a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the Blu Ray Only correct, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>as if there's like like like like uh propping up

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<v Speaker 3>this narrative that four K just like dominated the scene,

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<v Speaker 3>which didn't happen, you know what I mean, They just

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<v Speaker 3>want to push it so to a point. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it's caught on a little bit, but I mean

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<v Speaker 3>not not not to the point where you're like no

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<v Speaker 3>longer selling Blu rays steal books. Like I know those

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<v Speaker 3>steal books are available, you know what I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 3>just not on the on the website. You know, they

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<v Speaker 3>either the company either had, you know, told them to

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<v Speaker 3>ship them back or do whatever to push the four K.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, any of the newer titles are almost entire

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<v Speaker 2>not getting Blu ray steal books at all. That they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're really sticking to four K sometimes four K Blu

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<v Speaker 2>Ray combo packs. But there really are not being made

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<v Speaker 2>many more of the Blu Ray only.

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<v Speaker 3>Steel books, right, right, And that's a that's that that's

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<v Speaker 3>an adoption by force, right to a point. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>so so so I went ahead and got that, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I haven't seen the Guns of Navarona forever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and I think it'll be a good thing

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<v Speaker 3>when I come back. I'm going to be back in

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<v Speaker 3>the States in the summer, right, so I'm i'll you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when i'm and I'll be you know, spending time with

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<v Speaker 3>the folks. So we'll definitely have that to look forward to.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was interesting checking that out. I did get

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<v Speaker 3>my dad the support your local Share of Support, your

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<v Speaker 3>local gun Fighter. I got my dad those on on

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<v Speaker 3>Blu Ray by Kenose. That'll be a nice surprise or

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<v Speaker 3>he won't see see that coming. I got my mom

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<v Speaker 3>the Dances with Wolves two disc. Oh right, I almost

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<v Speaker 3>got heard the Steel book for that, but I noticed

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<v Speaker 3>that the two disc Blu Ray has like a different

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<v Speaker 3>cut of the movie on it. Yeah, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>an odd one.

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<v Speaker 2>They shouted this thing where they had a limited Steel

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<v Speaker 2>book that had ten thousand print run, and then that

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<v Speaker 2>sold out, and then a handful of months later they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're reprinting another Steel book that has a ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>print run. The only thing that's different is the cover

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<v Speaker 2>of the steel really yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've got the one that I got isn't steel,

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<v Speaker 3>it's two discs and it's got like a director's cut

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<v Speaker 3>of the movie on it, And to be honest, I

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<v Speaker 3>had never heard of a director's cut for that film.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, things are a thing get blurry with with

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<v Speaker 3>uncut and director's cuts now, of course, yeah, because it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of used to be. You know, extreme examples are

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<v Speaker 3>are the best to use. You know, you had the

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<v Speaker 3>famous Once upon a Time in America example, right right,

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<v Speaker 3>But that's like, you know, that's like an outlayer, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you do have like other films. Obviously, the uncut

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<v Speaker 3>version of Dead Alive is superior to the cut one

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<v Speaker 3>that sub video stores got in the nineties. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's another extreme example. And but then you see a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of you know, especially with the horror, where it's

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<v Speaker 3>like the theatrical version is the superior version. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>version that the director approved and prefers. Yet we also

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<v Speaker 3>have an uncut version that's not a better movie bloated

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<v Speaker 3>usually yeah, yeah, and it has just like either more

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<v Speaker 3>it usually just has like more gore for the gorehounds, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But but it confuses it because people are are sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they think of those examples of oh man,

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<v Speaker 3>the director's cut is superior, you know, they think it

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<v Speaker 3>once about Time in America or like the Dead Alive thing,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, I've got to get the director's cut,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I got the amidais with the director's cut, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a couple of scenes in there that are like

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<v Speaker 3>that one are not necessary to the movie, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>also like the direction in the acting is like film

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<v Speaker 3>school quality, right, right, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was just a poorly produced scene, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it happens, you know what I mean, for any

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<v Speaker 3>number of reasons, Like there's a reason that this scene

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be in Phnomadai's like tonally it stinks the acting

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<v Speaker 3>is bad, you know what I mean. But there it

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<v Speaker 3>is in the director's cut, yep, you know. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>a thing where it's not really the you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>It sometimes gets blurred as to what's the preferred version,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes the sometimes the producers are right, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes the director isn't right quite often, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>and you you you see from just like all the

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes that get made by by directors, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>and again a lot of it goes back to that

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<v Speaker 3>once upon Time in America example, you know, the like

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<v Speaker 3>or like Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the like evil studio, you know, the evil studio trying

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<v Speaker 3>to compromise the director's vision, you know. And it's like, look, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I've I've read a little books on Sam Pegan Paw.

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<v Speaker 3>He was irresponsible and completely ship faced on that set

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<v Speaker 3>on you know, yeah, then on most sets. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if he had cared about his director's vision so much,

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<v Speaker 3>he could have tightened up, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, So that's and I know Criterion Criterion just

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<v Speaker 3>put out like a four disc version of that. I

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<v Speaker 3>was an early adopter of that movie, and I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's one of those movies where, you know, Sam Pegan

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<v Speaker 3>that inspired me to get into film and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just want to say that, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Like I'm a very big Bob Bob Dylan fan.

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<v Speaker 3>So like Bob Dylan pat you know, Sam Peghan Pad.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, that was like a killer combination. And I've

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<v Speaker 3>probably seen that movie fifteen times, Like I had the

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<v Speaker 3>just can't. Like, I think some of it is like inept.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of it is like a Jess Franco movie, you

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<v Speaker 3>is super clever, amazing, Bob Dylan's score is awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you ever get that version? Not the DVD?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I I honestly I've not even seen the film ever.

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<v Speaker 3>in the the first director's cut, right, and then like

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<v Speaker 3>like in my opinion, it kind of broke even you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. So I know that, and I

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<v Speaker 3>have some very very dear friends that swear by that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's one that I think is I think it's good,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, Like I think it, I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think it gets to good, and but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think it's great. And I think I think it

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<v Speaker 3>reflects the I think it reflects the behavior, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>of the director, which you know was well documented as

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<v Speaker 3>certainly contributing to the film's demise, like like no, there's

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<v Speaker 3>just no there's just no way you can come down.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not you know, I'm not a boot liquor

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<v Speaker 3>for the studios, you know what I mean for studio executives.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, sometimes you know, it takes two to tango,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know that that's one of those cases where

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<v Speaker 3>like the Homeboy was just fucked up, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>did to himself any favors, just like really self destructive. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I will say this, have you heard the uh have

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<v Speaker 3>you heard the pay Cohast Blues? I don't think so, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Pay Coast Blues. So when when Bob Dylan came in

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<v Speaker 3>for a couple sessions to record the soundtrack for Pat

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<v Speaker 3>Garrett and Billy the Kid, they just left the the

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<v Speaker 3>tape rolling for like the entire thing, so you hear

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<v Speaker 3>like all the behind the scenes conversations with Bob Dylan

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<v Speaker 3>talking to the studio people, and then like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just candid conversations, and then James Coburn comes in and

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<v Speaker 3>songs and all this. It's awesome. It's called Payghost Blues.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll go ahead and send you the link. I actually

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<v Speaker 3>think that's better than the freaking movie. Again, I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>it fifteen times, so obviously it's got stuff that keeps

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<v Speaker 3>me coming back, you know what I mean. I just

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<v Speaker 3>wish I just kind of always go back to that one,

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<v Speaker 3>like hoping it's going to be a better movie. So

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<v Speaker 3>and and you mentioning that that four disc Criterion Sampeck

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<v Speaker 3>and Pop Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid deal. I

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<v Speaker 3>have a question for you. I have a question for you, like,

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<v Speaker 3>have you ever experienced, like, have you ever watched has

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<v Speaker 3>it been so dramatic right like remastering, especially when we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about like Blu Ray of four K. Has it

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<v Speaker 3>ever taken a two star movie and made it a

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<v Speaker 2>For you? I, honestly, yeah, there have been a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times that I have definitely re evaluated that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that it was necessarily only due to

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<v Speaker 2>the remaster. I know that there was sometimes that I

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<v Speaker 2>saw films early in my film appreciation that I either

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the life experiences to really appreciate yet, or

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<v Speaker 2>I was simply too young and naive to really understand

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<v Speaker 2>them yet. But beyond that, there's also some things that

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<v Speaker 2>I just simply did not like the look and feel of,

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<v Speaker 2>but later on, when they were either clearer or handled properly,

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<v Speaker 2>at least, it went, oh wait, wait, wait, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a good movie hidden in there. And now that you

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<v Speaker 2>can see the details, this means quite a bit more.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, has that been the same cut of the film? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really try to keep when I'm comparing stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that fairly one to one. Obviously, if something happens

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<v Speaker 2>internally and that they're changing something, we can't control that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I tend to watch the same cuts that

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<v Speaker 2>I did previously.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's fair, that's fair. What do you what do

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<v Speaker 3>you see as a you know, I was speaking with

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<v Speaker 3>our dear friend Michelle Kissner about a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody posted a very good and I'm sorry, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the guy's name, somebody posted a very good YouTube

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<v Speaker 3>video about physical media collecting, right, and he called out

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<v Speaker 3>and I think in our first our first chat, our

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<v Speaker 3>first tire side chat as it were, we talked about

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of re revisionist evaluation, this like inability to

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<v Speaker 3>criticize anything that that we purchased, not us, or that

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<v Speaker 3>collectors in general, and this this pot this this chat

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<v Speaker 3>on his YouTube. Fella was just talking about how it's

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<v Speaker 3>created this epidemic of revisionism, like nobody wants to admit

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<v Speaker 3>that some that that some of these movies aren't very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Like even though it's like some subjective, it's all subjective.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's created this like bizarre reluctance to be

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<v Speaker 3>critical of these movies because you feel like you're being

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<v Speaker 3>critical of the like the boutiques, like their their fancy

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<v Speaker 3>box sets, and you know, all their packaging and all

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff, which you know amounts to and this is

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<v Speaker 3>his words, not mine, polishing a turd, right right, So

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what are your thoughts on that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly agree that many of the movies getting these

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<v Speaker 2>giant bills and whistles releases do not simply do not

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<v Speaker 2>warrant that they are not great films. That being said,

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<v Speaker 2>I will counter the argument of an epidemic of not

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<v Speaker 2>being able to criticize those things, like, for example, on

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<v Speaker 2>my show, I tend to really only talk up things

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<v Speaker 2>that I like, and I've been personally criticized before. People

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<v Speaker 2>have said that I'm a yes man and I'm only

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<v Speaker 2>here to I had somebody tell me that the labels

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<v Speaker 2>were paying me to be positive about their releases. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've literally been accused of that, and I had to explain,

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<v Speaker 2>like if I don't if I spend two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half hours watching a movie and going through some bonus

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<v Speaker 2>features and I don't like it, why would I want

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<v Speaker 2>to come onto my show and talk about that for

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, that's not fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get enjoyment out of that, out of talking

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<v Speaker 2>about why a movie was bad. I would much rather

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<v Speaker 2>spend fifteen minutes talking about a movie that moved me personally,

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<v Speaker 2>or that was relevant to my life or had some

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<v Speaker 2>weeks where, you know, I may watch four films and

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<v Speaker 2>I can gush about two of them on my show

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<v Speaker 2>and say that I watched them. I may not even watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I may not even mention the other two that I

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<v Speaker 2>watched if they were just straight garbage. That being said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there are certain times where people are wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to hear somebody that does like I do, break from

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<v Speaker 2>the mold a little bit. So every once in a

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<v Speaker 2>while I'll throw something in and say I watched this

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<v Speaker 2>and it was it wasn't good. But you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that I'm sharing that you're going to think

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<v Speaker 2>it was bad, but just the fact that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like it, so that people understand I do not like everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, we hear the words echo chamber

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<v Speaker 2>a lot when a lot of people really don't comprehend

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't have to be an echo chamber to

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<v Speaker 2>always sound positive. It simply could be when you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be, you know, immersed in other people that are

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<v Speaker 2>watching these things. Things that are good are more enjoyable

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<v Speaker 2>than things that are bad. I would much rather talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, classics than something that is, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, And I understand that a lot of it's

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<v Speaker 3>context and the position you're in, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm a Look, I always I hesitate and certainly

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<v Speaker 3>publicly on my wall and things like that. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>see me very often, you actually you'll never see me

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<v Speaker 3>on my on social media posting anything negative about movies.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a couple of groups that I'm you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very careful with how I word criticism because look,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a really small filmmaker, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>and screenwriter or whatever, and so you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>it would look ridiculous if I'm just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>talking out my ass like shredding like master filmmakers, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. Like I mean, that's the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff that everybody, you know, we all go through

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<v Speaker 3>that phase when we're in our twenties. But once you

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<v Speaker 3>works and how much goes into it, and you can

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<v Speaker 3>yourself properly and you have some sort of self awareness,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you don't you know, you have to be

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<v Speaker 3>mindful of your place, you know what I means for

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<v Speaker 3>lack of a better lack of a better word, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that the way that I look at

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<v Speaker 3>it is, you know, there's some things that are going

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<v Speaker 3>to be released that are lesser quality because of the

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<v Speaker 3>artists standing, and it's almost like for academic purposes, right Like, so,

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<v Speaker 3>so Bob Dylan is going to have everything released because

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<v Speaker 3>the history of the world, right right, So even his

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<v Speaker 3>eighties turkeys get their due, you know. So Sam Peckinpah

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<v Speaker 3>to be released right now. When I see when I

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<v Speaker 3>see clunkers like the Austrman Weekend in convoy getting four

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<v Speaker 3>disc box sets. You know, obviously I kind of roll

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<v Speaker 3>my eyes. You know. Again, Sam Peg and Pauw, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a master, He's one of my heroes, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean, one of the guys that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>got me started and again. But you know when I

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. It's just like for academic purposes.

416
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<v Speaker 3>But you know when I see just like you know,

417
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<v Speaker 3>standalone films that don't have that kind of narrative along

418
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<v Speaker 3>with them. And you know, when I see these films

419
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:37.599
<v Speaker 3>and I know enough of the people that are in

420
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 3>this side of the industry, and I know when these

421
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 3>films were released on Blu Ray that they didn't sell, right,

422
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:51.359
<v Speaker 3>And now I see him coming out in like four

423
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 3>K like three disc sets, you know, And then I

424
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 3>see I see more and more, not not just I'm

425
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.200
<v Speaker 3>not talking about your announcements, but just like when other

426
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 3>because I have you know, my social media feed is

427
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:09.599
<v Speaker 3>loaded with cinemaniacs, right and they're always popping up announcements

428
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 3>and stuff. But I see more and more people kind

429
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:16.759
<v Speaker 3>of being a little, you know, making kind of snide comments,

430
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, and then you kind of you kind of

431
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 3>run into run into like sign posts, right like you

432
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 3>and I have talked about like you were. You remember

433
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 3>when I when I shared with you that completely insane

434
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.839
<v Speaker 3>box set for John Lennon's Mind Games. Yes, man, I

435
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 3>went and watched the video for that thing. It was insane. Yeah,

436
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 3>And to me, that's like that's the sort of peak

437
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:51.079
<v Speaker 3>event that happens before in decline, right, And you know,

438
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't help when I saw when I saw the

439
00:27:55.720 --> 00:28:01.839
<v Speaker 3>like uber addition for Barbed Wire with Imla Anderson or whatever,

440
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, that kind of made me that, you know,

441
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 3>And that came out like during a week of like

442
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 3>heavy announcements of like general of films that are generally

443
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 3>regarded as like one star, two star, like just you know, turkeys,

444
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 3>like uh, you know, I think what was that Cindy

445
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 3>Crawford movie with the Baldwin guy that was also a flop?

446
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 3>I think that was getting some sort of reissue but whatever,

447
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, And again, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

448
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 3>But when I saw that, like barb but when I

449
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 3>saw the barb Wire, the Uber mid edition or whatever.

450
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.720
<v Speaker 3>That kind of gave me, you know, that kind of

451
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 3>gave me flashbacks to the image comics bubble of the nineties,

452
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, where it was like everything

453
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.400
<v Speaker 3>that they could publish was like getting a super mid edition,

454
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 3>like here's Jim Lee's sketches for the Wildcats cartoon show

455
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 3>in a glossy cover, right, you know what I mean,

456
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 3>And you were getting that kind of like gimmicky stuff

457
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 3>and there wasn't a lot of there there and they

458
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 3>were doing like victory laps or things that like people

459
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 3>didn't even that had no like legacy that like people

460
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 3>weren't asking for. I was getting a similar vibe from that,

461
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 3>And I know that you know, you've probably as a

462
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, as the publisher of the Physical Media Advocate, right,

463
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.839
<v Speaker 3>you probably have your own kind of pet peeves or

464
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 3>whatever your own thoughts on that. What are what are some.

465
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Of those you know, one that I actually just printed

466
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>in the November issue of The Physical Media Advocate is

467
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>how you know, we can all rant about how Disney

468
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 2>has locked up titles in their vault, and not just

469
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>their titles, but all the Fox titles, all the Touchstone titles,

470
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 2>all the Hollywood picture titles, all of these movies that

471
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 2>many of us would love to have huge, great four

472
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>K releases for, They've locked many of those, and that's

473
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you know what, that's their prerogative. Sure, what really pissed

474
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 2>me off is just a couple months ago they announced

475
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 2>that they are giving an official VHS release to Alien Romulus. Now, normally, sure,

476
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever nostalgia bait, go right ahead, that's fine. But the

477
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 2>fact that you're holding back all these classics while releasing

478
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>this brand new movie on VHS at the same time

479
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 2>is just I don't like extra balls in a way,

480
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 2>and it is so unnecessary. Why are we doing VHS

481
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four, especially letter mocks? Is it wisecreen?

482
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 3>I believe it is. Yeah, well here, I mean, here's

483
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.400
<v Speaker 3>my thing. Well, first off, that's like them trying to

484
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 3>be hit right hip, Yeah exactly. But you know the

485
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 3>that's another I actually remember how many months ago was

486
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 3>that when I was announced two months ago?

487
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it was announced in October September, and

488
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>then it I think it literally like just released in

489
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of weeks.

490
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, that to me is another like sign post of

491
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 3>like an extreme kind of thing before a decline right

492
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 3>right where it's almost like absurd. You know. However, some

493
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 3>I mean something like that as a one off, something

494
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 3>like that as a one off could sell. I'm not

495
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 3>sure how over that movie was. I know it was

496
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.400
<v Speaker 3>pretty hop you know, it was fairly hot. Oh yeah,

497
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.559
<v Speaker 3>it did very well. It did well. I mean I

498
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 3>thought it was I thought it was very enjoyable, except,

499
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, the last twenty minutes. I agree with those

500
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 3>that said the last twenty minutes like it completely. Like

501
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 3>if it wasn't for the last twenty minutes of that movie,

502
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 3>I'd probably go back and watch it again, right, but

503
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 3>those last like fifteen minutes or so, was was hard

504
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 3>on my soul. So I you know, and I went

505
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 3>into it expecting that because a lot of people had

506
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 3>mentioned that when they were discussing the film, and I

507
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.039
<v Speaker 3>was watching, and I was just like, oh man, I'm

508
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.759
<v Speaker 3>totally into it. This is cool. I thought it skewed

509
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 3>a little too young adult, but the way they used

510
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 3>the original Android was very clever, I thought. So I

511
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 3>was like into it, and then I was like, oh man,

512
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was like, I've only got fifteen

513
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.279
<v Speaker 3>minutes left and this is still holding strong and then

514
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:38.119
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh lordie. And then it was like

515
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 3>it was like all the main What was weird about

516
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 3>the last fifteen twenty minutes is that it was like

517
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>all the stuff from the previous three movies that everybody

518
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 3>was unanimously like, this is like, this is terrible, this

519
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.799
<v Speaker 3>is like ruining this series. Like they crammed all of

520
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 3>that into the last fifteen minutes of that movie. And

521
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 3>I was like wow. I was like, I was like wow,

522
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 3>So you know, but however, it was still, you know,

523
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 3>that's a movie. If it came on TV, I would probably,

524
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, I was still I got a backpedal on

525
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>what I said, like, I would probably watch it again

526
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 3>because I thought it was I thought it had a

527
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 3>really good texture. I thought it was well made. Now

528
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.200
<v Speaker 3>I now going back to your point about all the

529
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 3>movies that they're holding that Disney is like holding back.

530
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 3>I think that they would be. Look, the House of

531
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Mouse is going through a has gone through a little

532
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 3>bit of a downturn, but they've been historically, They've always

533
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:51.160
<v Speaker 3>had downturns. Right Like people seem to act like every

534
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.200
<v Speaker 3>time Disney has a downturn that like the entire company

535
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 3>is going to go belly up, right, you know, like

536
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>they were saying that in the years leading up to

537
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 3>a Little Mermaid is true, and then they were saying

538
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:11.400
<v Speaker 3>that after Pocahontas bombed, Pokahontas finished off their like big

539
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 3>winning streak. And then actually, I think that still did okay,

540
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.639
<v Speaker 3>but Hunchback of Notre Dame definitely killed it. But I

541
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.159
<v Speaker 3>don't want to get into all that, you know. But

542
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 3>then they came back with Toy Story anyway, you know

543
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:30.679
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying, right, like, like there's no situation, like

544
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 3>they just had. Disney just came off of like the

545
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 3>most successful run in like the history of Hollywood, right,

546
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, in the history of Hollywood.

547
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 3>And you have these jerk offs on their YouTube channels, right,

548
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 3>which is they're all my age, which I think is hilarious.

549
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 3>They're all my age and like purport to be like

550
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 3>film historians and like know their stuff, but they don't.

551
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 3>They're like completely ignorant. They don't know the history of

552
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 3>the business. They don't know the history of Disney, they

553
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.840
<v Speaker 3>don't know the history of like just about anything that

554
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 3>they're talking about, right, you know what I mean? And

555
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, as soon as as soon as there's like,

556
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, a weakness there, and look, I'm no mark

557
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 3>for the House of Mouse, right, I'm no mark for

558
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 3>the House of Mouse. And watching them make the kind

559
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 3>of mistakes that they used to never make was pretty

560
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 3>pretty interesting. And now, look all the issues with Marvel

561
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.039
<v Speaker 3>and all the issues with Star Wars, those are all

562
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 3>obvious things that everybody talked to death, right, So we

563
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.639
<v Speaker 3>don't need to retrace any of that. But what I

564
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.119
<v Speaker 3>do want to do is tie it into what you said.

565
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 3>And I think that there is a hesitancy based on

566
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 3>their last couple of years of like huge flops right

567
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:09.239
<v Speaker 3>like Indiana Jones, right yep, and other animated movies that

568
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 3>they had in Marvel movies that didn't do so hot.

569
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:14.760
<v Speaker 3>So I think there's a hesitant seed to maybe like

570
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 3>roll out in the midst of like a title wave

571
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 3>of releases to maybe you know, push for that. Right now,

572
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, I have heard, and I wanted

573
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.400
<v Speaker 3>to ask you about this, I've heard that they are

574
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 3>they have been doing a lot of like super limited edition,

575
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.440
<v Speaker 3>like very pricey steel books. Going back to the steel

576
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.920
<v Speaker 3>book thing that I was originally talking about, What are

577
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 3>your thoughts on that what have you heard about that?

578
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>What's the deal for some newer releases?

579
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 3>That is absolutely the case.

580
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>So the two biggest, most egregious ones from them over

581
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the last handful of months were Inside Out Too, that

582
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>newest Pixar film, and then the new Marvel movie Deadpool

583
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and Wolverine. Both of those came in a four K

584
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 2>steel book that were sold out, like we're talking sold out,

585
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 2>either on pre order or in the first week of release.

586
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 2>And Disney steel books historically since you know the I

587
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say the heyday, but over the last

588
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, four or five years, with best buy holding

589
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>strong on release day, those have historically been thirty four

590
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.159
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. And when Inside Out to released it was

591
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe forty five dollars or forty four ninety nine

592
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 2>whatever somewhere around there. Even worse the Deadpool and Wolverine.

593
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 2>The most sites held that to like fifty five to

594
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.440
<v Speaker 2>even in some places sixty dollars for a brand new

595
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>steel book of just the most bland superhero you know,

596
00:37:58.239 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>not even like an Lash Flipps.

597
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.320
<v Speaker 3>And but let's be honest here though, like the first

598
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.480
<v Speaker 3>I have a question, what's the secondary market on those?

599
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh, they're probably hitting around one hundred dollars right now.

600
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so that's like Taylor Swift money. So so I

601
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 3>will say this though, is that both of those movies

602
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:30.000
<v Speaker 3>were legitimately successful films. Oh of course, all right, so

603
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 3>you know that needs to be that needs to be said.

604
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, they were successful. Those were those were

605
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:47.559
<v Speaker 3>tremendously successful movies, right that have a you know, that

606
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 3>have a large audience that's going to be looking for

607
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.719
<v Speaker 3>gifts over the holidays. Now, I do think I do

608
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 3>think the pricing is egregious. Now, the pricing on all

609
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 3>of this stuff, you know, especially the vinyl stuff, and

610
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 3>has gone up tremendously, right, And so you know, I

611
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 3>am looking at it's very very easy. Look, if you're

612
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.719
<v Speaker 3>if you're if you're a household, right and it's part

613
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.719
<v Speaker 3>of your family die dynamic to collect your teenage kids

614
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:33.480
<v Speaker 3>are into it, you know, Look, man, and you have

615
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.119
<v Speaker 3>to spend either you're going to spend either thirty five

616
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 3>dollars on Barbarian Queen two, or you're gonna get your kids,

617
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, Deadpool and Wolverine for forty five dollars. You

618
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, Like, I think that it falls

619
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 3>it's going to go the more popular route, you know,

620
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.920
<v Speaker 3>and and look that that that just is what it is.

621
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 3>But the problem with that is that I don't even

622
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<v Speaker 3>know if it's a problem, but I think it's a

623
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:18.079
<v Speaker 3>it's like a systemic and sorry if I'm talking over

624
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<v Speaker 3>my words. It's a systemic issue that the you know,

625
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<v Speaker 3>and I don't want to get into I don't want

626
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 3>to get into a shareholder value conversation, right, but it's

627
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 3>it's squeezing every last drop, right, And I think you

628
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<v Speaker 3>have Disney also in a situation where they hadn't had

629
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<v Speaker 3>a couple of big hits in a while, so they're

630
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<v Speaker 3>trying to juice Inside Out too and Deadpool and Wolverine

631
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 3>for as much as they can because those are their

632
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 3>two biggies, you know what I mean. I mean, look,

633
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<v Speaker 3>they're definitely not selling tons of steel books for a

634
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 3>for ant Man Quantka.

635
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I do know that that is false. They sold

636
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 2>a shit ton of steel books of a Man Quantumania.

637
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.119
<v Speaker 2>They oh, they did thousands on thousands.

638
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Well then so so so who is the That was

639
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 3>generally derided as a mediocre title, but like who's are

640
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 3>are those collectors? Are those parents buying for kids that

641
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 3>are like still on the Marvel train. Most of them are.

642
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Most of them are collectors. Absolutely.

643
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>There are people that have literally every single Marvel movie

644
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.480
<v Speaker 2>in a four K steel book and they don't want

645
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 2>to stop because that's what they're collecting. That's one of

646
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 2>the things they're collecting. And I don't think we're in

647
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>a situation where these two were popular, so they chose

648
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to raise the price at all. I think one of

649
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the things that led to this is the fact that

650
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Sony took over the production for them, So Sony Pictures

651
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>is now doing their authoring for their discs and handling

652
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:05.159
<v Speaker 2>all manufacturing. And they have also started raising price on

653
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.199
<v Speaker 2>certain things.

654
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 3>Which is odd.

655
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 2>They're not doing it really for catalog titles, but like

656
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 2>the Newest Planet of the Apes movie was also exorbitantly priced,

657
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and so they're being selective about some newer things. And

658
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 2>what's crazy is they'll sell out. You know, it might

659
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 2>only be like a six to eight thousand print run

660
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.559
<v Speaker 2>in those first couple of weeks where they'll they'll be

661
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 2>sold out, But for many of these titles, we'll find

662
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.840
<v Speaker 2>a year, year and a half later they'll just release

663
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>another steel book and it'll be regularly priced.

664
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<v Speaker 3>Right right, right, But I mean, but I understand that,

665
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.599
<v Speaker 3>but you're always going to see some of that. I

666
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:44.639
<v Speaker 3>mean you said yourself is targeted a little bit. I

667
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 3>mean you're going to have things targeted based on, of

668
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 3>course a little bit sure how popular they are. Like

669
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.920
<v Speaker 3>you and I men grew up in the era of CDs,

670
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.719
<v Speaker 3>right right, So, like you remember going to the CD

671
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:04.119
<v Speaker 3>store and every Tuesday, and the Beatles albums were always

672
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 3>four dollars more than everybody else. The Beatles albums are

673
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 3>always the most.

674
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Expensive, correct, But I think the difference there is that

675
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 2>word always. What is interesting here is that it suddenly

676
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>happened on a couple of titles. So this wasn't even

677
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the most popular MCU film over the last couple of years,

678
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 2>and it just it. I do think it has more

679
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 2>to do with Sony taking over because of that, because

680
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>they've never done that ever.

681
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.360
<v Speaker 3>So they're just experimenting with pricing.

682
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>That honestly, that is what I said earlier this year.

683
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I think they're trying to find a new minimum price point.

684
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.360
<v Speaker 2>And so Planet of the Apes and Deadpool Versus Wolverine

685
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and Inside Out Too were all released at three different

686
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.639
<v Speaker 2>prices roughly forty five, fifty five and sixty five.

687
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 3>And this is the fourth Planet of the Apes movie

688
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.159
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about, right, this isn't the first trilogy steal

689
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 3>book no, when released.

690
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was all all of them have all gotten

691
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 2>steel books, yes, Okay, that's what I thought, so, yeah,

692
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 2>because they were all about ten dollars difference. That was

693
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.119
<v Speaker 2>my idea earlier this year is I bet they're trying

694
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 2>to see what is the minimum or what is the

695
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.519
<v Speaker 2>maximum amount that we can sell out a limited run

696
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>in that first couple of weeks.

697
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, you have to give right, right, and you have

698
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.079
<v Speaker 3>to kind of you have to diversify your portfolio so

699
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:32.199
<v Speaker 3>to speak. Right, So like you if you have, for example,

700
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:36.480
<v Speaker 3>like David Bowie, I'm gonna use a vinyl example, like

701
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:41.599
<v Speaker 3>David Bowie had a David Bowie had a box set

702
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 3>for the Hunky Dory album right, right, And it was

703
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 3>this big box set you could get for the album, right,

704
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 3>and the box set included an alternate version of the

705
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 3>album right with like you know, different mixes and whatever,

706
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:05.519
<v Speaker 3>different song selection. Right that was released, right, But then

707
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:11.519
<v Speaker 3>you could also you could also purchase that alternative album

708
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.599
<v Speaker 3>and the new remaster or whatever it was of the

709
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 3>original album that was you know, released separately, right. So

710
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 3>basically you're you know, for like parents that have a

711
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 3>daughter that's big into or a son that's big into

712
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.400
<v Speaker 3>David Bowie, right, and you want to get him something special.

713
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.519
<v Speaker 3>You can buy them both of those albums. Right. You

714
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 3>can buy the new version of the you know whatever,

715
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.039
<v Speaker 3>the new reissue of Hunky Dory, you can get the

716
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:47.119
<v Speaker 3>alternate version of the album, right, and if you're on

717
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 3>a budget, it saves you seventy dollars from having to

718
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 3>buy the box set. Right. So like you have like

719
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 3>alternate you have alternate versions, you know. Like so for example,

720
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Speaker 3>that that opera right, yep, the you know they they

721
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 3>they released that what was it four or five discs, yeah,

722
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 3>the Giant one, Yeah, but then they went ahead and

723
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 3>months later they just released for Black Friday, they have

724
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 3>the like standard version. Right. But that's following the model

725
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 3>that these that's following the you know, both the Blu

726
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.320
<v Speaker 3>ray both the physical media movie market the vinyl market

727
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.519
<v Speaker 3>kind of follow a similar thing. So like the whole

728
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 3>idea of releasing a box set and then you break

729
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.280
<v Speaker 3>up the box set and sell it in smaller, cheaper

730
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 3>pieces later, you know what I mean. Oh yeah, that's

731
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 3>very very common. Yes, you know, because you're going to

732
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 3>have whether it's you know, vinyl or whether it's physical media, right,

733
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.239
<v Speaker 3>whether it's movies, which is now kind of a thing

734
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 3>and it's kind of as you know, is uh, I mean,

735
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 3>it's been a thing for a while, but not at

736
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 3>this peak frenzy level, right, would you agree? So you're

737
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 3>gonna have You're gonna have the early adopters, right, so

738
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 3>that are going to buy all that. They're gonna buy

739
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff when it's new, and they're never going

740
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:21.480
<v Speaker 3>to believe that anything's going to be around for a

741
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 3>while or it's going to go on sale. So like,

742
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 3>for example, when the when the Rolling Stones mono box

743
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 3>set came out a couple of years ago, right like

744
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>there's only ten thousand, everybody's going crazy. All these people

745
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 3>like are gonna buy it, right of course, you know,

746
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.159
<v Speaker 3>because it's going to sell out, Like that box set

747
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 3>is still available on Amazon for like way cheaper. But

748
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 3>that's like everything, but you're always going to have those

749
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.079
<v Speaker 3>early adopters. So so like whenever you're like watching YouTube,

750
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 3>whenever I'm watching YouTube, channels or I'm looking at the

751
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>social media posts for these boutique film releasing companies, and

752
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:12.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm also watching YouTube stuff for like Vinyl. You know,

753
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I have my YouTube channels that I listened to for

754
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Vinyl and stuff like that. Ye both have one thing

755
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 3>in common, and that is in the comments. There's all

756
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.599
<v Speaker 3>there's always the early adopters, and it's the same comments

757
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 3>by my my wall it's gonna be killing me, by

758
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 3>my wife might leave me. But I have to have this.

759
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:40.920
<v Speaker 3>We were gonna go to Disney World, but I've gotta

760
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 3>I've got to jump on this or it's gonna sell out,

761
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Like these are people that

762
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 3>are like borderline like addicts. Oh it's not borderline. They

763
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 3>absolutely are, you know what well I mean, I didn't

764
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 3>want to you know, I'm trying. I'm a guest on

765
00:48:56.719 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 3>the podcast Trying So so so. Yes, yes, they they

766
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 3>are certainly an extreme an extreme version of that, you

767
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. But you have to you have

768
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:18.719
<v Speaker 3>to realize though, like just as with like the comic

769
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.239
<v Speaker 3>book you know, situation in the nineties or you know,

770
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.559
<v Speaker 3>the Vinyl situation now and the boutique stuff, is that

771
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.480
<v Speaker 3>like if you just start if you just if you're

772
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:37.079
<v Speaker 3>if you're only if you're only generating releases for that

773
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 3>level of buyer, that level of collector, you know what

774
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean, You're you're you're leaving the casual hundreds of

775
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 3>millions behind, right and especially some of these companies don't

776
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 3>seem interested in marketing what they're selling to anything outside

777
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:04.480
<v Speaker 3>of the bubble, you know what I mean, And eventually

778
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.360
<v Speaker 3>the bubble burst right right.

779
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>So recently you also wrote an article for dread Central,

780
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of apt for you know, twenty twenty

781
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.840
<v Speaker 2>four as a whole, where many people are feeling like

782
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 2>everything's on fire and got held you. You're not even

783
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.880
<v Speaker 2>in the US, You're over in the Middle East right now,

784
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:27.639
<v Speaker 2>and your your article that you wrote about is watching

785
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 2>horror movies when everything around you is a horror movie

786
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.639
<v Speaker 2>as well. Tell us where that came from.

787
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 3>That, you know, it's funny. I had actually wanted to

788
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.599
<v Speaker 3>wanted to write that for quite some time. And as

789
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, in the article, it talks about when I

790
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.280
<v Speaker 3>originally became kind of more more aware in you know,

791
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.800
<v Speaker 3>global events, you know, and not not that I was,

792
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, I always prided myself kind of like it says.

793
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:55.239
<v Speaker 3>It says in the piece, I don't want to be

794
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, redundant there. But you know, I've always prided

795
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.639
<v Speaker 3>myself I'm being you know, aware of what's going on

796
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.719
<v Speaker 3>in the world. I think it's incredibly important. It's incredibly

797
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 3>important to you if you're a writer, you're an artist

798
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 3>of any kind. I also think that when you're in

799
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 3>entertainment spaces, I think that people have a tendency to

800
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.880
<v Speaker 3>get in a bubble and my you know, my my

801
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 3>heroes are you know, folks like Paul Duman, you know,

802
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 3>Audrey Hepburn, right, and because of Audrey Hepburn's work with UNISEF,

803
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's like as that's something that I'm doing,

804
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:41.199
<v Speaker 3>developing here in uh you know Karachi Pakistan, And you

805
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 3>know Denzel Washington, you know Reach One, Teach One, you know,

806
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 3>he's he's one of my heroes. Anyway, the folks that

807
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.000
<v Speaker 3>I kind of admired the most, you know, even you know,

808
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:53.440
<v Speaker 3>on the rock and roll side of things, you know,

809
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 3>with Bruce Springsteen. You know, these are these are people

810
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:00.639
<v Speaker 3>that you know, the the more acclaim right that they achieved,

811
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 3>the more they the more they gave back and acknowledged,

812
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, horrors of the world, you know what I mean,

813
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 3>not in a not in an obnoxious way. You know,

814
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 3>no one's ever gonna accuse Audrey Hepburn of being obnoxious,

815
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:21.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, in her and in her humanitarian and efforts.

816
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:26.480
<v Speaker 3>But that's you know, that's an entire generation that wouldn't

817
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 3>have known about organizations like UNICEF if it wasn't for

818
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 3>the fact that they were fans of her, you know

819
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.320
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. And and Audrey Hepburn obviously benefited from

820
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 3>having a having a legacy, an enduring legacy and popularity

821
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:47.840
<v Speaker 3>that lasted decades after she you know, retired from the business,

822
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.159
<v Speaker 3>and you know, has has since passed away. You know,

823
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 3>she's she's her. Her filmography is pretty amazing in that

824
00:52:56.079 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 3>she was she chose a lot of good pets that

825
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Speaker 3>were ahead of their time. So some of her projects

826
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 3>that were popular at the time that have since become

827
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.920
<v Speaker 3>a little dated, they're balanced out by the stuff that

828
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.480
<v Speaker 3>she did that was like really ahead of its time, right,

829
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 3>like the Children's Hour two for the Road, you know,

830
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 3>and things like that, or like Robin and Marion, you know.

831
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<v Speaker 3>So so that's where so I think that I think that.

832
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<v Speaker 3>To answer your question, I kind of wanted to. I

833
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 3>wanted to discuss that, and I wanted I thought there

834
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 3>was an opportunity to write a piece like that because

835
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.840
<v Speaker 3>I try to also pay attention to kind of what's

836
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 3>out there, you know, And so whenever you're crafting an

837
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:54.400
<v Speaker 3>article for you know, for whatever reason it might be,

838
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 3>you don't want it to be a piece that you

839
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:03.840
<v Speaker 3>know has been done before, like for example, perfect example

840
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.760
<v Speaker 3>of this, I actually had an idea that I was

841
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.639
<v Speaker 3>going to write a piece about John Carpenter's The Ward,

842
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:16.119
<v Speaker 3>and it was going to be called, you know, Production

843
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 3>Design and John Carpenter's The Ward, and it was going

844
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 3>to discuss how even though The Ward was kind of

845
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.079
<v Speaker 3>like this film that a lot of people put down

846
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:32.719
<v Speaker 3>from a production design standpoint, it's one of his most

847
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:37.119
<v Speaker 3>consistent films. From a production standpoint, it's one of his

848
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.840
<v Speaker 3>most consistent films. So many of John Carpenter's movies, the

849
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:49.280
<v Speaker 3>production value fluctuates like wildly, where like sometimes you'll see like,

850
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.199
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, this incredibly like well crafted set piece,

851
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.960
<v Speaker 3>and then like you'll watch like the following scene that

852
00:54:56.199 --> 00:55:00.199
<v Speaker 3>looks like it costs like seventeen dollars to make, you

853
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.679
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, and that that inconsistency in John

854
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 3>Carpenter's work always always kind of fascinated me, you know

855
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.360
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, and it just, you know, again, it

856
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.880
<v Speaker 3>goes to show how difficult it is in this business,

857
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 3>even when you have all those resources available, how to

858
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 3>allocate everything, how to balance everything out right, you know

859
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, and you're not always going to get

860
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, Starman or the Thing, you know what I mean,

861
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:25.440
<v Speaker 3>or you know Halloween right.

862
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, and even many of those were put down for

863
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:29.800
<v Speaker 2>a right reasons back.

864
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:35.599
<v Speaker 3>In the day, right exactly exactly. And so what happened though,

865
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 3>was that while I was kind of like putting some

866
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 3>notes together for that, like three articles like reevaluating the

867
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.039
<v Speaker 3>ward came out like all of a sudden, it was

868
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 3>like the ward appreciation months in the Horror Space, you

869
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.639
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. And I was like, ah, I

870
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:55.480
<v Speaker 3>was like, and I was like, I can't go you know,

871
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:57.719
<v Speaker 3>I can't go forward with this, you know what I mean.

872
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to show this one for another two decades,

873
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:01.559
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying.

874
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Speaker 2>It's so weird how cyclical many of those things are.

875
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.039
<v Speaker 2>It seems like you don't hear anything about some certain subject,

876
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.760
<v Speaker 2>and then for a month, that's all you will hear about,

877
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 2>even big things, like you won't hear anything about George A.

878
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Ramiro except for the Dead trilogy that he did originally,

879
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, while you're planning something

880
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 2>to write about Bruiser, there will be nine different reappreciations,

881
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 2>seven YouTube videos, and a brand new podcast, all dedicated

882
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:28.320
<v Speaker 2>to Bruiser.

883
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 3>Right right, absolutely, absolutely, And you know it's funny when

884
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:37.239
<v Speaker 3>he came to our film school and visited, he actually

885
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:41.880
<v Speaker 3>screened Bruiser. That was like one of his first screenings

886
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:49.039
<v Speaker 3>of that film. But the the article seemed like it

887
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.960
<v Speaker 3>seemed like the time to write it, and so look,

888
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 3>it felt good getting it out there. I had just

889
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 3>they had just dread Central, had just done the interview

890
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:00.039
<v Speaker 3>with with with Christina, Yeah, while we were doing the

891
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 3>promotion for the release of Opera and simple like silver. Well.

892
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 2>And one really great thing about this article is it's

893
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 2>there's no easy way to say this, I guess, but

894
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:15.639
<v Speaker 2>it's like the opposite of gatekeeping. It's trying to tell

895
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.199
<v Speaker 2>people that, no matter your worldview on this subject, you're

896
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>not alone because there's other people like you, and not

897
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:26.119
<v Speaker 2>enough people are saying something like that specifically, And it's

898
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:30.840
<v Speaker 2>important in a time where you know we're hearing on

899
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 2>one far end of the spectrum is all of a sudden,

900
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:35.639
<v Speaker 2>these movies are too political. And then the other end

901
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 2>of the spectrum is you know, looking to make a

902
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:44.360
<v Speaker 2>difference with art and you know, coming against politics in

903
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.920
<v Speaker 2>a way. There's got to be a balancing point for both.

904
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.079
<v Speaker 2>But in all reality, politics have always been a part

905
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of art and it always will be.

906
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 3>That's one of the biggest aspects of art. Men, absolutely,

907
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:00.280
<v Speaker 3>And I'm glad you brought that up, because you know,

908
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.400
<v Speaker 3>nobody is more message heavy than probably Sidney Lumet. And

909
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:11.559
<v Speaker 3>I see, I see so many filmmakers, I mean film

910
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 3>fanatics that decree the modern politics in cinema right, and

911
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:24.239
<v Speaker 3>they and they always they'll use Sidney LeMay as an example.

912
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Whenever somebody talks about his movies. They'll be like, oh, man,

913
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 3>I wish movies could go back to that where they

914
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 3>didn't have all this politics, and it doesn't. And they

915
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:39.639
<v Speaker 3>always reference these directors that made political like movies with

916
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:43.800
<v Speaker 3>a lot of heavy socio political messaging in them. Look

917
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 3>at the vertic. Yeah, I mean the verdict twelve twelve

918
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:51.000
<v Speaker 3>angry men? What's that? What's that running on empty? Right?

919
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Is that the one with River Phoenix with like the Yeah,

920
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's like heavy political stuff, you know, even

921
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 3>if you're talking about police corruption, right with Serperco and

922
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.280
<v Speaker 3>Prince of the City of course, you know. I mean,

923
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.960
<v Speaker 3>so I think that that there's when you talk about

924
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.199
<v Speaker 3>a when you're talking about a balance. Is that. One

925
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 3>thing that I want people to be aware of too,

926
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:26.000
<v Speaker 3>is that these these filmmakers and these screenwriters, they're not

927
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.400
<v Speaker 3>not as many of them are activists as people would

928
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:33.239
<v Speaker 3>like to believe, right, And that's both that's both a

929
00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 3>positive and and negative, all right, And the bottom line

930
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 3>is the bottom line, right, So, when you see a

931
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:48.840
<v Speaker 3>large number of female led movies coming out, or female

932
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.719
<v Speaker 3>lead action movies, right, Like how many variations of the

933
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Mendikida have we seen in the last ten years? Right? Right? Like,

934
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 3>very few of the producers behind those movies are doing

935
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:10.320
<v Speaker 3>so because they care about female empowerment or feminism or

936
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, have a statement about gender roles. Yeah, they're

937
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.440
<v Speaker 3>make money no matter what. Yeah, Yeah, They're they're producing

938
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:24.880
<v Speaker 3>those movies because they think they will make money and

939
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:30.840
<v Speaker 3>as as soon as that trend wears itself into the ground,

940
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:34.280
<v Speaker 3>because that's the that's the history of the business. The

941
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 3>history of the business going back to the very beginning

942
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen tens, is you know, in the twenties is

943
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:47.159
<v Speaker 3>running every trend then into the ground, right, finding a

944
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 3>new trend, right, and then running that one and into

945
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.800
<v Speaker 3>the ground, And then a decade or so later it

946
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.320
<v Speaker 3>becomes kish, or it becomes hip to revisit the other trend,

947
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.880
<v Speaker 3>or there's a parody cycle, right where you have to

948
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:04.639
<v Speaker 3>like make fun of it, right, kind of like the

949
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.760
<v Speaker 3>original with the Universal Monsters, Right, they had to they

950
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.639
<v Speaker 3>they ran that, they ran that into the ground in

951
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:14.480
<v Speaker 3>the forties and they had to kind of poke fun

952
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:19.400
<v Speaker 3>at themselves with at it in Costello, right. Right. So,

953
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:23.119
<v Speaker 3>so what a lot of folks need to understand is

954
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:28.719
<v Speaker 3>that a lot of this current trend right is fueled

955
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:31.239
<v Speaker 3>by I don't I don't want to say the word cynicism,

956
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:36.800
<v Speaker 3>but a lot of the people producing this content, they

957
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 3>don't see these trends as anything more than another version

958
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:49.480
<v Speaker 3>of three D. Right. They see it as a gimmick

959
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:53.199
<v Speaker 3>that's hot, that makes money. Now and therefore we're going

960
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:57.880
<v Speaker 3>to do this. And so when you hear people complain

961
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.840
<v Speaker 3>about it or they or they push back against it,

962
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:06.039
<v Speaker 3>they they they seem to always want this kind of

963
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.960
<v Speaker 3>like agenda. Like there's like all of these people like

964
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.480
<v Speaker 3>producing this content are like activists, right, and it's like no, like,

965
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.800
<v Speaker 3>but the majority of them are not now now are

966
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 3>But are there some that have been an agenda? Of course,

967
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:24.239
<v Speaker 3>you know some some of them that agenda. That agenda

968
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:26.880
<v Speaker 3>is genuine and comes from a good space. Some of

969
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:29.119
<v Speaker 3>them might come up front from a good space, but

970
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:32.039
<v Speaker 3>they don't have the talent to get it out there properly. Right.

971
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 3>That happens too. However, when I was coming up and

972
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.639
<v Speaker 3>it was nothing but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Salone, Bruce Willis,

973
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Clint Eastwood, Steven Sagall, Jean Claude Van Dam like like

974
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:51.519
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't like there's not a there's not libraries of

975
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:56.039
<v Speaker 3>journalism about how it's male activists that are that are

976
01:02:56.159 --> 01:03:00.800
<v Speaker 3>destroying Hollywood with a male agenda in et cetera, et cetera. Right,

977
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.519
<v Speaker 3>But as soon as you have a couple of years

978
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:10.719
<v Speaker 3>of the trend going the other way, like you You've

979
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.039
<v Speaker 3>got folks having nervous breakdowns, right, they can't even like

980
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:18.199
<v Speaker 3>they don't know how to handle it, you know. And

981
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:22.920
<v Speaker 3>so look, I always say this, and it's not, you know,

982
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 3>just the horror space obviously it's all you know, it's

983
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:33.119
<v Speaker 3>it's the other fan spaces, right, But it's not. And

984
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:36.480
<v Speaker 3>people always look for a reason, right, We're we're definitely

985
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:41.000
<v Speaker 3>at a at a very difficult time in the in

986
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.800
<v Speaker 3>our society and in the world. But you know how

987
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Carl Sagan made the comment about how the bamboozled never

988
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 3>want to admit that they've been bamboozled, right course, Like

989
01:03:52.599 --> 01:04:02.199
<v Speaker 3>it's easier to blame Kathleen Kennedy and Ray for your

990
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.800
<v Speaker 3>alcoholism and for not being able to keep a job

991
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:07.239
<v Speaker 3>and all of the you know, bad marriage. It's easy.

992
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:12.280
<v Speaker 3>It's it's easier to blame them for the socio and

993
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:16.320
<v Speaker 3>economic conditions of the time than it is to say, hey,

994
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.440
<v Speaker 3>I voted for politicians that screwed me over, or I

995
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:22.639
<v Speaker 3>listened to the wrong people, or I made the wrong

996
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.159
<v Speaker 3>and decisions. Now I'm just saying that that's you know,

997
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:30.960
<v Speaker 3>that applies to a more extreme segment, right that I've

998
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:35.559
<v Speaker 3>that I've listened to. You know, it's it's time at

999
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:38.320
<v Speaker 3>a certain age, right when you're in your when when

1000
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you're in your forties and you have kids, you know,

1001
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:52.079
<v Speaker 3>and you know you're your passion, right is is going

1002
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:55.480
<v Speaker 3>on a you know, social media space, a virtual space

1003
01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:06.599
<v Speaker 3>and public wishing these screeds, these hysterical screeds about Madam Web,

1004
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:12.159
<v Speaker 3>about how Madam Web destroyeds you know, Spider Man right right,

1005
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and you know you're you're somebody that also you know,

1006
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 3>you know it's somebody and I see this often is

1007
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.239
<v Speaker 3>is folks that are also hosting in the same spaces

1008
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.880
<v Speaker 3>about you know, they you know, struggling with the job,

1009
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 3>struggling with bills and kids, and you know, it's I

1010
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:38.079
<v Speaker 3>think that it's it's time to look at the priorities

1011
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 3>and be like, you know, my passion, my energy, where

1012
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.960
<v Speaker 3>where should that go? Should it go to Madam Web?

1013
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:51.760
<v Speaker 3>You know? Possibly not Madam Web is where your passion,

1014
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.639
<v Speaker 3>frustration and anger to go. But they but but but

1015
01:05:55.639 --> 01:06:02.880
<v Speaker 3>but for many it's easier than and then facing hard

1016
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:07.119
<v Speaker 3>truths and looking themselves in the mirror, right, looking at

1017
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:10.280
<v Speaker 3>the world and looking you know, it's a very it's

1018
01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:14.199
<v Speaker 3>a very tumultuous time, and people have a lot of

1019
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:18.440
<v Speaker 3>bottled up resentment, and it's going to manifest itself in

1020
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.599
<v Speaker 3>other ways, right, It's going to seep through the cracks,

1021
01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:27.159
<v Speaker 3>as it were, right, and sometimes sometimes productive ways, right,

1022
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.719
<v Speaker 3>sometimes healthy ways, because there's there, because there's a lot

1023
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:33.440
<v Speaker 3>of positive that can come from you know, the community

1024
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:36.159
<v Speaker 3>around a fan base, right, So let's not discredit that

1025
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 3>a lot of positive, of course, but when it turns,

1026
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:49.800
<v Speaker 3>when it turns toxic and the obsessing over scapegoating, right,

1027
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 3>like waking up every morning and examining every property as

1028
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.719
<v Speaker 3>to how it's you know, bad for these reasons.

1029
01:06:57.280 --> 01:06:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the truth is that that exists in literally

1030
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:00.519
<v Speaker 2>every community.

1031
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.519
<v Speaker 3>We we we should point that out absolutely absolutely, and

1032
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<v Speaker 3>and that and and that's why. Yeah, that that exists

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01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:12.280
<v Speaker 3>in every community that that that extreme, But it's no

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01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:18.480
<v Speaker 3>longer it's no longer fringe. It's become like the go

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01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:23.840
<v Speaker 3>to right. So like here with with with disconnected for example, right,

1036
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:29.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I'm gonna shamelessly plug you on S. Yeah. Yeah,

1037
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna go ahead and name drop drop you

1038
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.880
<v Speaker 3>like right here. No, but like but but for example,

1039
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:46.280
<v Speaker 3>there are there are a large amount there's a a balance,

1040
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.679
<v Speaker 3>it seems that's a negative balance where it's almost like

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01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:53.559
<v Speaker 3>for just as many you know, objective well intentioned and

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01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:55.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say well intentioned. They're all well

1043
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.679
<v Speaker 3>intentioned in their own minds. But but but you have

1044
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:01.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot more for lack of a better way to

1045
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:10.239
<v Speaker 3>explain it, vitriol has become become accepted. Right, it's not

1046
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:15.800
<v Speaker 3>a fringe thing. And so you have for every you know,

1047
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:20.000
<v Speaker 3>for every more objective. I don't know how to explain it,

1048
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.800
<v Speaker 3>but like for every more objective kind of you know,

1049
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:25.039
<v Speaker 3>even Keel, I guess is a good way to say it.

1050
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Even Keel podcast about this hobby or that than hobby, right,

1051
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:37.000
<v Speaker 3>you have you have, you know, the houses on fire,

1052
01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:43.840
<v Speaker 3>extreme vitriol. You have that whereas years ago, years ago,

1053
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:49.439
<v Speaker 3>that more extreme stuff would wouldn't be so common.

1054
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:53.239
<v Speaker 2>So let's cover one more of these pet pet peeves

1055
01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:56.439
<v Speaker 2>in collecting. I'm gonna say the next big one for

1056
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.600
<v Speaker 2>me is a rare compliment I'm going to give to

1057
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the Criterion Collection, and that is that their limited edition

1058
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.920
<v Speaker 2>titles are not so limited. If they come out with

1059
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.399
<v Speaker 2>something that is you know, this fancy packaging or you

1060
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.279
<v Speaker 2>get a bonus with a movie or something like that.

1061
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.520
<v Speaker 2>It tends to stay in print like that for quite

1062
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.920
<v Speaker 2>a long time. And this is, you know, not to

1063
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:25.920
<v Speaker 2>say that some of these labels that are small and

1064
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:27.319
<v Speaker 2>independent should be.

1065
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Forced to pay.

1066
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.520
<v Speaker 2>A ton of money on materials or anything like that,

1067
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 2>but I will say it really bugs me how we

1068
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:39.560
<v Speaker 2>quickly lose booklets in many of these releases. There are

1069
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:42.319
<v Speaker 2>many individuals that I know that write for these physical

1070
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:44.560
<v Speaker 2>media releases that we love, that get their stuff in

1071
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the booklets and they're only available for the first thousand copies,

1072
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.319
<v Speaker 2>or you know, on the high end, two or three thousand,

1073
01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:54.720
<v Speaker 2>or if you're some popular vinegar syndrome title like eight

1074
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.840
<v Speaker 2>to twelve thousand, those are huge releases. But for many

1075
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.800
<v Speaker 2>of these smaller companies, it's one and done on a

1076
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.119
<v Speaker 2>quick print run and then those those essays are gone forever.

1077
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:09.760
<v Speaker 3>I do that? Does an indicator do that quite a bit? Yeah?

1078
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Pretty pretty much every single label that does booklets do that.

1079
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Is the booklets are never in the standard.

1080
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Editions, which which to me, which took to me from

1081
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:25.239
<v Speaker 3>a from a consumer right just speaking as a consumer,

1082
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I think that it boosts when they have sales and

1083
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:35.760
<v Speaker 3>that's when they get a lot of people buying stuff,

1084
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:40.239
<v Speaker 3>especially if they if they keep the any of these

1085
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.359
<v Speaker 3>companies keep the standard pricing a little high, right, a

1086
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:48.119
<v Speaker 3>little hot. I think when they have sales, it makes

1087
01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 3>the sales more special when you're still getting that booklet. True,

1088
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:02.800
<v Speaker 3>I think when they have the sale, you're still happy

1089
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:06.800
<v Speaker 3>because of the price. But then you see like they're like,

1090
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:09.520
<v Speaker 3>but don't be counting on that booklet, right.

1091
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 2>And on the printed material cost side, totally, I totally

1092
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:18.119
<v Speaker 2>understand those booklets are much more expensive to print each

1093
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:22.399
<v Speaker 2>than people think, probably, and I really think that the

1094
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:25.680
<v Speaker 2>way Aero Video used to do it was probably the best,

1095
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:28.720
<v Speaker 2>like perfect medium that we could have. They used to

1096
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.039
<v Speaker 2>do the limited print run of the booklets, and so

1097
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:34.479
<v Speaker 2>we'll say, I don't know, three thousand titles came out

1098
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and it had the booklet and the slipcover and all

1099
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that fancy stuff, and then the standard came out and

1100
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.399
<v Speaker 2>it lost the slipcover, lost the booklet. However, once that

1101
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.760
<v Speaker 2>initial print run was gone, they took the booklet and

1102
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:48.640
<v Speaker 2>uploaded it as a PDF to their website so that

1103
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:50.920
<v Speaker 2>everybody could still go find the work that was done

1104
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.520
<v Speaker 2>for it. They could still find the pre written essays. Hell,

1105
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:55.920
<v Speaker 2>if you really wanted, you could print it out and

1106
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:59.159
<v Speaker 2>make your own booklet. You could literally download the PDF

1107
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and craft to your own booklet for your release and

1108
01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:03.159
<v Speaker 2>have it be the same. If you want to put

1109
01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the money into it, that's totally fine. But then that

1110
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.960
<v Speaker 2>work is still preserved, at least online somewhere for people

1111
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.680
<v Speaker 2>to be able to enjoy. For whoever, I mean, Aero

1112
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.399
<v Speaker 2>paid somebody to write those essays, they should be available

1113
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:17.119
<v Speaker 2>for people to do it. I mean, you paid for

1114
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.359
<v Speaker 2>the work. Let's let's make that.

1115
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:21.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think that's a very good idea, especially

1116
01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:26.720
<v Speaker 3>if people are, you know, browsing titles to blind by Yea,

1117
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:30.279
<v Speaker 3>and then after a certain period of time, when people

1118
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.560
<v Speaker 3>go to check out a movie on their website, the

1119
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:36.600
<v Speaker 3>essays right there for them to read about it, you know,

1120
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:40.720
<v Speaker 3>whether or not it has spoilers whatever. But I think

1121
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:44.279
<v Speaker 3>that's I think that's a classy move. I think that's

1122
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:49.119
<v Speaker 3>a classy call on the part of Errow. Yeah, I

1123
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:53.960
<v Speaker 3>think I think that there's a I think there's a

1124
01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:58.600
<v Speaker 3>balance right where the sooner or later all of these

1125
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:01.039
<v Speaker 3>boat tiques cry uncle and they have to have these sales,

1126
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:08.159
<v Speaker 3>right and and and I think that it's a they're

1127
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:09.720
<v Speaker 3>from their point of view, it's like, all right, if

1128
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:11.319
<v Speaker 3>we've got to have these sales, if we're going to

1129
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:17.039
<v Speaker 3>be offering this, you know, and I I want to

1130
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:24.720
<v Speaker 3>say that I do. I do questions the the intention

1131
01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:28.359
<v Speaker 3>of some of these companies actually turning a profit based

1132
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:32.199
<v Speaker 3>on some of their just the way that they operate.

1133
01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:37.119
<v Speaker 3>But they if you're going to give sales, right, like,

1134
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:41.640
<v Speaker 3>you have to remove something, right okay. And I understand

1135
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:48.319
<v Speaker 3>that because they're they're their client tele Like, like we

1136
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:52.039
<v Speaker 3>talked about at the beginning of this podcast, those first

1137
01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:54.840
<v Speaker 3>time adopters that want to get everything as soon as

1138
01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:58.199
<v Speaker 3>it comes out. You want them to always have have

1139
01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:01.359
<v Speaker 3>something special that the people that buy it on sale

1140
01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:05.319
<v Speaker 3>don't don't get right right, So then when they're talking

1141
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.399
<v Speaker 3>and their little communities, they can be like, oh, well,

1142
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:10.159
<v Speaker 3>I got it when it first came out, so I

1143
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:12.720
<v Speaker 3>got the booklet or I got the slip cover, or

1144
01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:17.039
<v Speaker 3>I got this or I got that. You know, I'm

1145
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:19.560
<v Speaker 3>not sure about the what do you think about the

1146
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:23.399
<v Speaker 3>selling the like slip covers separately thing? What's your opinion

1147
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:23.760
<v Speaker 3>on it?

1148
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if if you're doing it later and somebody

1149
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:28.800
<v Speaker 2>already has a copy of the movie.

1150
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:31.000
<v Speaker 3>That's fine. And I also think it's.

1151
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.680
<v Speaker 2>A classic move to to put up a standard edition

1152
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.680
<v Speaker 2>the same day as the limited edition, rather than trying

1153
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:39.960
<v Speaker 2>to sell out all the limited you know immediately. I mean,

1154
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.560
<v Speaker 2>what if somebody wants to get the release early, but

1155
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:44.079
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to pay for all the bells and

1156
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:45.920
<v Speaker 2>whistles like the booklet or the slipcover, and they just

1157
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.159
<v Speaker 2>want the disc. That should totally be fine. I would

1158
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.840
<v Speaker 2>love to see that. But yeah, I mean if I

1159
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know, if I'm a secondhand buyer and somebody had

1160
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:59.199
<v Speaker 2>a standard edition of something and you have the slipcovers

1161
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and booklets of available for sale on their own, I

1162
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:03.520
<v Speaker 2>might want to upgrade those.

1163
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:03.840
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1164
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe I have a standard edition of a film

1165
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and I watch it and I go, holy shit, this

1166
01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:12.079
<v Speaker 2>is one of the best movies I've ever seen. I

1167
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:15.560
<v Speaker 2>wish I had the full, complete, robust version because this

1168
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.359
<v Speaker 2>is now one of my favorite movies of all time.

1169
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I would love the option to be able to do that.

1170
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:22.399
<v Speaker 3>No, I think that's a valid point, and I think

1171
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:26.279
<v Speaker 3>that comes down to pr right. I think it comes

1172
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:31.159
<v Speaker 3>down to whether or not you announce, right, you announce

1173
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:34.000
<v Speaker 3>it from the outset, right. Well, I think people also

1174
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.039
<v Speaker 3>that and warehouse space for the company of course, right

1175
01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:40.159
<v Speaker 3>right right, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a story you know,

1176
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:43.439
<v Speaker 3>logistics as well. But I think that people if you

1177
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:46.000
<v Speaker 3>if you release, you know, like Pink Floyd got in

1178
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:48.560
<v Speaker 3>a little trouble with that, with that massive with that

1179
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:53.439
<v Speaker 3>massively expensive and massive Later Years box set in which

1180
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:58.680
<v Speaker 3>they kind of made it. They kind of the narrative

1181
01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:01.640
<v Speaker 3>was that, Hey, all of the extra great stuff on here,

1182
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:04.199
<v Speaker 3>all these brand new remixes and all that, like this

1183
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:07.880
<v Speaker 3>is one hundred percent exclusive to this, right right, And

1184
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:09.920
<v Speaker 3>then you know, a year and a half down the road,

1185
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:14.159
<v Speaker 3>they're they're they're you know, pulling all the components out

1186
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:19.039
<v Speaker 3>and selling them separately. So I think that, you know,

1187
01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:21.800
<v Speaker 3>when when you do it that way, I think you

1188
01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:24.800
<v Speaker 3>can get some some pushback, and I think it's justified,

1189
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:29.439
<v Speaker 3>right because it looks like you're but when you when

1190
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:33.119
<v Speaker 3>you're upfront and you say, hey, here's this, here's this

1191
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:38.239
<v Speaker 3>deluxe box set of this. Right sometime down the road

1192
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:41.039
<v Speaker 3>there will be a standard edition available, but if you

1193
01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:44.319
<v Speaker 3>want this, this is this, right, And I think I

1194
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.359
<v Speaker 3>think that's the way you have to do it instead

1195
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:50.760
<v Speaker 3>of you know, trying to front like this is the

1196
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:52.600
<v Speaker 3>only way you're going to be able to get it

1197
01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:57.039
<v Speaker 3>to me. And then you know, Black Friday rolls around

1198
01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:00.359
<v Speaker 3>and you're and you're like, oh, what do we have here?

1199
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, titles that you can't get that were only for

1200
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:07.479
<v Speaker 2>sale for a limited time, and one of those is

1201
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:10.159
<v Speaker 2>your film Simple Like Silver that Seven Films put out

1202
01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 2>as part of the summer sale that they did in

1203
01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:13.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four.

1204
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.199
<v Speaker 3>First of all, how's the reaction been to that? The

1205
01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:21.000
<v Speaker 3>reaction to Simple Like Silver has been great? And you know,

1206
01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:27.680
<v Speaker 3>that was one of those films that was kind of

1207
01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:31.720
<v Speaker 3>like a bowling ball film, like you know, it just

1208
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.039
<v Speaker 3>kept knocking down pins, you know what I mean, and

1209
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:39.680
<v Speaker 3>kept opening up doors for me. So you know the

1210
01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:45.640
<v Speaker 3>main purpose of that release was that kind of what

1211
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:50.359
<v Speaker 3>inspired me to make the film, or rather in earnest

1212
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:54.199
<v Speaker 3>track down Christina and go on that adventure with her,

1213
01:17:55.359 --> 01:18:01.560
<v Speaker 3>was when Scorpion did that thirtieth anniversary release of Opera

1214
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.600
<v Speaker 3>and Christina Marcelic wasn't involved in it, right, and I

1215
01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:08.479
<v Speaker 3>was like, this is absurd, Like this is you know,

1216
01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.439
<v Speaker 3>this is who you want? Like all of this other

1217
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.840
<v Speaker 3>stuff that they had, you know, on the box that

1218
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:19.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, all of it's nice, but I mean, Christina's

1219
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:23.760
<v Speaker 3>the juice, you know what I mean. And so me

1220
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.159
<v Speaker 3>working with Severn on that one of the main the

1221
01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:31.960
<v Speaker 3>main goal, right was to release a version of the film,

1222
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:33.920
<v Speaker 3>was to have a version of the film come out

1223
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:40.079
<v Speaker 3>with Christina marcelic on audio commentary and exclusive interviews with

1224
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Christina who is finally meant open to talking about the film,

1225
01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:50.880
<v Speaker 3>right right right, And I was like, you know, just

1226
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:54.840
<v Speaker 3>four K isn't special enough, you know what I mean.

1227
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm sorry. I love all these other all

1228
01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:01.399
<v Speaker 3>these other folks that are involved in the filmmaking process.

1229
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.560
<v Speaker 3>They're great, you know what I mean, but you really

1230
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:09.960
<v Speaker 3>need you want the main people involved, right interviewing the

1231
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:14.720
<v Speaker 3>publicist or the property master or the like, you know,

1232
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:18.680
<v Speaker 3>key electric. I mean, that's cool, right, They're all hard

1233
01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.000
<v Speaker 3>working folks, they're all part of the of the magic.

1234
01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:25.439
<v Speaker 3>But having like the star of the film, who you know,

1235
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:27.520
<v Speaker 3>has kind of you know, been a wreck loose and

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't spoken about the film in decades and wouldn't do

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<v Speaker 3>interviews and all that, you know, doing getting her that

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<v Speaker 3>was that was really important. To me, okay. Of course

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<v Speaker 3>they wound up pressing double the amount of movies we

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<v Speaker 3>had originally agreed upon, okay, which which means that I

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<v Speaker 3>got more complementary copies of the film. So I come

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<v Speaker 3>bearing gifts for for the for the listeners today, I

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<v Speaker 3>am giving away five copies of Simple Like Silver. And

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<v Speaker 3>I also want to go ahead and say that anybody

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<v Speaker 3>else that has any questions about the opera four K

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<v Speaker 3>set that was was released, you can email Severin directly

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<v Speaker 3>about that if you want to ensure that you know

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<v Speaker 3>the the disc and those issues they had were ironed out.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you want to order Simple Like Silver, you

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<v Speaker 3>can email Severn as well at the orders at Severinfilms

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<v Speaker 3>dot com whatever it's on their website. All of your

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<v Speaker 3>listeners know what that is, but you can email them

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<v Speaker 3>directly if you want to order it. I am not

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<v Speaker 3>sure as to when that is going to be rolled

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<v Speaker 3>out then officially, again, I can't speak to that, but

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to say that overall, bringing Christina Marcelic

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<v Speaker 3>to the table for that four K opera you know,

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<v Speaker 3>release was the goal. Having my film released as as

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<v Speaker 3>well was also magnificent. Glad it's out there and certainly

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<v Speaker 3>folks like you for keeping the magic. For keeping the

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<v Speaker 3>magic alive. We need guys like you, Ryan happy to

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<v Speaker 3>and the same to you.

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<v Speaker 2>For anybody that is interested in one of those copies

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<v Speaker 2>of Simple Like Silver, you can check out the description below.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be sending those out to you directly from

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<v Speaker 2>me on behalf of Damien. So thank you Damien for

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<v Speaker 2>donating those, and again, thank you for your time today.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that it's been some some ranting and raving

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<v Speaker 2>from both of us, but it's something that's important. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to point out some of the things that are

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<v Speaker 2>negative sometimes too.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot for having me, Ryan and everybody have

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<v Speaker 3>a safe and wonderful holiday and at Merry.

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas you too, sir. We'll talk soon, all right, you

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<v Speaker 2>get see ya. Thank you for listening to the Disconnected podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Me No.

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