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Speaker 1: Hey, friends, this is Jay from the Okie Book Cast

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and you're listening to the Surely You Can't Be Serious

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Podcasts with my fellow okies Jason and d Hello everybody,

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and welcome back to the Surely you Can't Be Serious

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podcast where it is the middle of the night on

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the open road and the heater don't work and it's

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oh so cold. But don't go getting tired because you're

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looking kind of beat. The music that we're talking is

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gonna knock you off your feet.

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Speaker 2: That is good.

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Speaker 1: We are here today to talk about one the only

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great White.

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Speaker 2: That's right, car Caradon Carkarrius, otherwise known as Great Whites.

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Speaker 1: Great White. Now it will be interesting to talk about

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how they got their name, how it wasn't even really

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related to a shark at all. But we are comparing

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this album Twice Shy, which is their fourth total album,

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with an album from the cult called Sonic Temple.

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Speaker 2: These are both big albums from the summer of nineteen

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eighty nine. I mean, we're kind of riding the crest

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of hair metal. It's about to crash and burn yep.

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But these are some of the last big remnants. Although

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a lot of people would say the Cult that was

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never hair metal.

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Speaker 1: I would say the same thing about Great White. I

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think that Great White got lumped in with the hair metal.

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But they I mean, in listening to their music, they're

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really more blues. They're like English rock blues than they

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are hair metal. It was just they're in that same

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time and they're you know, they've got black leather pants on, right,

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But I mean, who wasn't wearing black leather pants in nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Eighty nine, No doubt right.

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Speaker 1: I would put these guys more in a category with

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like Tesla and Black Crows, Cinderella Cinder for sure, yeah,

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not Poison Motley Crup. Now, this is a really great

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pair of eppisodes for me because I told you, whenever

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you suggested that we do these two albums, I'm like,

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I've never heard the Cult before it went by me.

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I never heard a song, didn't wasn't familiar with them,

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wasn't familiar with their music at all. And it's not

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much more for Great White. I mean, I knew who

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Great White was because once Bitten Twice Shy was all

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over the radio and all over MTV all of the time, right,

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And I had this great experience as a new Guitar

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player where I came across a video that Great White

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had done like a very early MTV Unplugged show, and

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they did this cover of the Led Zeppelin song Babe

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I'm Gonna Leave You.

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Speaker 2: That is a fantastic performance in one of the very

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first MTV Unplugged TV shows. Yeah, I've got a great

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story on that. Let's hold that for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, fantastic. All right, guys, we for this episode,

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we have had a Patreon blast. Thank you everyone, five

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executive producers for this album. Excuse me for this album episode, Jason,

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who are our executive producers?

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Speaker 2: All right? So Carrie Ahearn, who has been a Patreon

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re member before, she's back with us.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I love Carrie.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: So she's done it. Chris and Jeanie Alexander, they're back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Chris and Jeanie. Genie helped us out.

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Speaker 2: Hoped she did depeche Mode with us.

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Speaker 1: Oh I was silent an episode. Yeah, check that one out. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Then we've got Dirk Smith who's a new patreonmember.

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Speaker 1: He's reached out to us on email, Dirk giving us

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some great intel on some stuff. I love it. Thank

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you for joining, Dirk. We're super happy to have your board.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Thanks Dirk. And then Eugene Ussel. I'm not

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sure I'm saying his last name right, but Eugene has

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been jumped in on Patreon. He's been great for us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Love to have you as part

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of the Patreon family. Eugene.

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Speaker 2: And then Chris Connell.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that one threw me a second. I was like,

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did Chris Cornell just join He's not alive? No, Chris Connell. Yes,

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Chris Connell joined us. Chris, Welcome to the Patreon family.

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We are so happy to have you guys. These are

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our executive producers. If you're interested in becoming an executive

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producer one of our episodes, go to our Patreon page,

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Patreon dot com slash Shirly Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Carrie, Chris, Jeanie, Eugene, and Chris.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the album, get into these songs and

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find out what these guys are all about. Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we do, I've got just a couple of

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little background details for you on the album. Okay, So

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this was their fourth album, like you said, This was

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released April twelfth of nineteen eighty nine. Of course, the

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lead singles once Bitten, Twice Shy. We're going to talk

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about that, and that owned that summer for me. It

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was just on the radio every fifth song. It went

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two times platinum. And the cover. I want to talk

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about the cover of this album for a second. Here's

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the cover and I showed this to you a minute ago.

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Speaker 1: You've got two bottom halves of ladies that are artfully

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wrapped in the most appropriate places with some red ribbon

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or satin sheets if you will.

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Speaker 2: Red satin sheets. You've got a giant white dorsal fin

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going right through the middle of this bed.

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Speaker 1: Yesday.

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Speaker 2: Notice they've got these little anklets that you get at Destined,

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you know, on the beach, made of shark teeth, right,

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which is really cool.

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Speaker 1: Side note, there have been like two major shark attacks

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within the last week. There have been at the beach

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that I'm about to go to vacation on. Yeah, it's

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a little concerning, but fortunately no deaths, but some really

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serious injuries. That's right. Okay, So I'm sorry you're at

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the album. Yes, the shark swimming through red satin sheets somehow,

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all right, do you know who these.

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Speaker 2: Two wonderful bottom halves belong to No, I don't, all right.

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One of them is Tracy Martinson.

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Speaker 1: That's the girl whose face was on Once Bitten.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And she was in the video for Rockney.

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She's in the video for Save All Your Love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Two songs that I absolutely think are bangers which you're

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not familiar with, and I'm marking it down. I'm spiking football.

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You will love those songs. Okay. So one of them

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is Tracy Martinson, girl from the One Spitten album.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Second one is Bobby Brown.

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Speaker 1: Shut up.

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Speaker 2: She's the cherry pie girl.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's gonna make an appearance in the We're

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gonna talk about her in just a minute a little

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more in depth. She's in the One Bitten Twice Shy video.

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five songs of nineteen nine because I talk a little

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bit about it. Touch on her anyway. Sorry, are we

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ready to jump in track by track? Now?

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Speaker 2: Let's jump in track by track?

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Speaker 1: Okay. Song number one off of the album is a

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song called move It. Okay. I'm not sure why. We

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start off with the sound of a bus taking off.

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Speaker 2: The beginning of a journey, right right.

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Speaker 1: Well that the intro to the song is such a

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slow burn. If you were arguing that these guys were

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hair metal, I'd say, okay, let's listen to the beginning

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of this song, because this is not a hair metal

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way to start a song. This is a slow blues

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burn that builds and builds, builds until Mark Kendall's raging

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guitar comes blasting through your speakers.

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Speaker 2: So this is a great kickoff song, right, Yeah. I

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think this is like the start of a concert type

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of song where you've got the drummer, you can't quite

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see what's happening, the shadows and the lights are moving,

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this beginning build. I love this song. I think there's

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a great beginning song. It's a good rocker. It's a

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great kickoff to the album. Yeah, Okay, I've got this

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incredible story that I've been waiting to discuss with you.

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Speaker 1: About this, but oh I'm excited here. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Great White started in nineteen seventy seven or eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So listening to Mark Kendall talk it was seventy eight.

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He said, Wikipedia is wrong, it was not seventy seven.

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know how they met, tell me. Yeah. Okay. So Mark Kendall,

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I mean, obviously a wicked good guitar player. He is.

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hear his name come up at all. But he is

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phenomenal guitar player. Just take that, babe. I'm gonna leave

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you riff that he plays, and it's amazing it. As

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a new guitarist, I was like, I want to learn

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how to play like that. I went to a guitar

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teacher and I said, can you teach me how to

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do what he's doing in this song because it's so incredible.

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He's walking along the beach. He's been learning how to

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play guitar, and he says to himself, I am giving

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myself only one option. I am going to make it

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as a guitarist, and that's it. There is no fallback plan.

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I will either be successful as a guitarist or I

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will be a bum and those are my only options.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And so he starts a couple of bands and by

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the time he's twenty, he's playing some shows, but he's

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just do stuff. And he goes, this guy could wail.

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turns out, that sixteen year old kid was a guy

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Speaker 2: Man. That's so crazy.

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maybe me and you form our own band, And Mark

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Kendall's like, let's do it. And they drop Mark Kendall's

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band that he's in and they form a band called Highway,

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which then becomes Live Wire. Then some other stuff happens,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we got to talk about this. This is one

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of the most incredible stories of Great White Yeah, in

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a history of a band that has terrible things happen.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the worst.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the worst, and but it works.

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Speaker 1: Out something, it does work out. So Mark Kendall is talking.

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I was doing everything I could, he said. I was

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like the convenience store grocer plays, right, and he goes

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says winter Man Jack Russell arrested for shooting. And he

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was like, Jack Russell, I know a guy named Jack

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Russell and that's where he's from. And he's like, I

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he's like, I saw this in the paper. Is this Jack?

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Speaker 2: So Jack Russell had problems with drugs and alcohol from

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the very beginning. He and Mark Kendall get together. Jack

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at age seventeen, He and this idiot friend of his

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decide one of the ways they're gonna get their hands

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on drugs since they don't have money, is they're gonna

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rob drug dealers.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant, rights, I mean, that's so patently obvious.

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Speaker 2: I mean, who has drugs drug dealers and who doesn't

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call cops drug dealers? There you go, right, I mean,

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this is a brilliant plan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, all right, So Jack Arrels sold his buddy

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like rattel Jimmy, I mean, it's like nice, It's like

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a mansion, right.

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Speaker 2: But we've talked about him many times. But he's got

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a twenty two pistol okay, twenty two caliber, huh, which

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we've talked about. It's not a big bullet, but it

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is quite enough to kill somebody, that's right. Yeah, got

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the ski mask on. He breaks in and the only

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person in there at the moment is the maid. Okay,

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she's Vietnamese. She doesn't speak great English, and he comes

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up with the ski mask on. At first she thinks

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he's joking, Like, she thinks it's a joke, right, He says,

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where's the coke, pointing the gun at her, where's the cock?

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Where's the coke? She's like in the fridge, in the fridge,

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and she said, no coke, pepsi And he said that

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at that moment he knew it was just not going right.

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he's coming back and he's like banging on the door

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and he's blackout, high out of his mind, like he

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doesn't really remember any of this, and this is what

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the court reporters have read back to him. Right, So

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he comes back and he's banging on the closet, going

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where's the coke? Where's the coke? Well, next thing he knows,

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he's wandering around. He's arrested by the police. They take

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him down and they're like, why did you shoot her?

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And he's like, shoot who what are you talking about?

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shoot the maid. Well, he shot the maid.

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Speaker 1: I shot the store clerk. I shot the store clerk exactly.

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Speaker 2: Because a viddy so he fires through a solid oak

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door with a twenty two bullet. It hits a Saint

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Christopher's medallion that she's wearing, and Rick Achet's.

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Speaker 1: Off of her heart.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Like the medallion protects that bullet from killing her.

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He said at that moment that medallion saved her life

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and his. Yeah, he gets eight years in.

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Speaker 1: Jail, sentenced to eight years. Now can you imagine, as

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I mean from Mark Kendall's perspective, like he's just formed

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this band, just gotten it together. It sounds great, they're

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doing great, they're moving up, and then help start this

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crap all over again.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. This is not nobody. Jack Russell has an incredible voice.

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Speaker 1: Well, what are you gonna do? He's in prison for

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eight years.

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Speaker 2: Eight years. Guess what he's out in eleven months. Wikipedia

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says he served eighteen months. I heard Jack Russell himself

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say eleven months because he knows it's for sure because

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he signed his record deal within the year. Within twelve

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months of shooting the maid. He had signed a record deal.

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Eleven months later he walks away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did all of the programs because he was

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I believe, just under eighteen years old. Whenever this happened.

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He was able to take advancege of like the youthful

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offender programs that they have and build himself up all

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of these points, which knocked down what is the total

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of his sentence?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, all the while this is happening, Mark Kendall's

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auditioning other singers for Great White. Actually wasn't Great White

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at the time.

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Speaker 1: No, no, it wasn't. So yeah, he has to rebuild.

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So he pulls Donnie Costa for bass yep, and Tony

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Richards for drums yep. And if you're a WASP fan,

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those names are familiar because they both went on to

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play for Wasp after that. Yep. And he gets a

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singer named Butch Say. It sounds like Rob Halford from

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Jewish Priest. Yeah right, yep. And then this female singer

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shows up. Her name is Lisa Baker, and they're like, oh,

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she's better, and they dump but Say and Lisa Baker

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becomes their singer, and that's when they give themselves the

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name Dante Fox.

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Speaker 2: Kind of an interesting name. Yeah, you know, you get

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Britney Fox a couple of years later.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, But what happens is Lisa Baker. It's

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invited by another guy to join his band. The band's

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name is Exciter and the guy who invited her to

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come join is a guy named George Lynch. And if

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you know who Dawkin is and you know what Lynch

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Mob is, you know who George Lynch is.

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Speaker 2: George Lynch is one of the truly I mean we

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talk about great guitar players. He is aficionado. I mean,

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this guy is unbelievable. And then Jack Russell gets released.

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Guess what, guys, I'm free, and they're like, well, we

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already got a singer. And he's like, let me audition.

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If I don't make your audition, I'll go away. I'll

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leave you alone. You won't hear from me, right, And

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so he comes in and auditions, and Mark Kendall's like, yeah,

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we need to have Jack sing for us, and Costa

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is like, yeah, we need to have Jack Russell come

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sing for us. The guy that voted against him was

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Tony Richards. Tony Richards like, I kind of like the

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way Butch sings and they're like, dude, shut up, We're

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not going to just cover Brue Judas Priest for the

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rest of our life, right, get that guy out of

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here and bring in Jack Russell, and so that's that's

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what happens, and the band comes back together and they

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begin performing as Dante's Fox. And when they're performing together,

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there's an interesting dynamic that they do. Okay, they have

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basically a dark side and a light side on the stage.

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So Donnie Costa will dress like all in black.

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Speaker 1: He like put he puts like cheese graters on his

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guitar so that he can make his knuckles bleed while

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he's playing, like he looks like a demon. And then

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Mark Kendall is on the other side of the stage

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and he's in like a white jumpsuit and he's got

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blonde like shot like almost white blonde hair, and he's

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playing a white guitar. And so it's this duality. And

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every time he would introduce him for a solo, Jack

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Russell would say great white people, and that's he would

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introduce Mark Kendall as great white But we got to

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move on. Song number two.

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Speaker 2: Song number two is called Heart the Hunter.

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Speaker 1: That is an incredible hook.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: This is a great song.

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Speaker 2: This is a great song. Is If you like this song,

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I mean you'll like the rest of the songs on

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this album, and they have a kind of a formula

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that works for them. It's crunchy guitars, it's passionate vocals,

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heavy drums, it's a lot of fun. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I would say that the chorus on this one, the

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hooky chorus, it kind of reminds me of the early

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days of def Leppard, Like this is something that you

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get off of High and Dry or maybe Pyromania. That's

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just the way that the chorus, I don't know sounds

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to me, has got that kind of feel to it.

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Speaker 2: You could easily slide and die hard the Hunter.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, So they're now together as Dante's Fox.

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They're doing these white and black shows, right, and they're

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doing demos. And one of the bands that's there in

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Hollywood performing at the same time is a band called

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Docin Yep, and Don Docan is friends with these guys. Yeah,

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and so he hits up this guy named Alan Niven

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to come watch them. He's like, you, guys, you've got

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to hear these guys. They need management. Come come listen

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to them play. Alan Niven goes and listens to them

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play and thinks, no, they're not for me.

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And Don's like, did you hear him play? And he's like, yeah,

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not for me. He's like, nah, go back and listen again.

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He goes and listens again, comes back again and he's like, no,

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they're they're not They're not my guys now. Alan Niven

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is is a very up and coming guy. I mean

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his he and his partners have signed Molly Crue, they've

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signed Berlin throw back to our Top Gun episode. Yeah.

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And he's like, yeah, this is just not this doesn't

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fit within our stuff. And Don Dowcin is like, let

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me go to a show with you, okay, Yeah, And

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so they go to the show together and it's like

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the end of the show, Alan seems unmoved, and then

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they come out with an encore, right, and they do

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an encore of a humble Pie song, and the humble

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Pie song is called I Don't Need No Doctor's point.

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At the point, Alan Evan is like, Okay, I can

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work with these guys.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, his voice, I mean, he sounds very Robert Plant

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and yet better than Robert Plant.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't want to go there, but there he

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was there. He has those moments. His voice is incredible.

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He's trying to think of a different name because he

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just doesn't like Dante's Fox and like they Dante's Fox.

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The end of the band drives by in a limo

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and Mark Kendall is sticking his head out of the

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window and is like whoo and you know, just being

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a crazy, you know, twenty something year old guy, right.

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And one of their fans is standing next to Alan

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Niven and he's like, there goes great White.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, that's it. That's what we name the band.

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Speaker 2: They do their first gig at the Tribute or in Hollywood.

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But here's the key. So I heard Jack Russell talk

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about this somehow or another. Alan Niven convinces the DJs

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at k M E T and KLOS, which are rock

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stations in Los Angeles, to start playing songs off of

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their original EP, and he says that never happens, like

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you don't get an unsigned band who's dropping an EP

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and convinced the rock radio station in Los Angeles to

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play your stuff?

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Speaker 1: Right. And in case you don't know who Alan Niven is,

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if that name is meaningless to you, not only did

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he manage Berlin, not only did he manage Motley Crue

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during their early days. He also manage this band that

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you might i've heard of, Cold Guns N' Roses just

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side story, side story here. He was their manager up

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until just before the release of Use Your Illusions and

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like the two the usual Illusion one and two.

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Speaker 2: Go back and listen to those episodes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Axel Rose wanted him out. The rest of the

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band was like, no, Alan's great, why do we And

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Alan's like, and then Axel's like, I'm not going to

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finish these albums until we get rid of Alan Nevin. Yeah,

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what a dick.

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Speaker 2: I'm not singing another note until we dump our manager.

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Speaker 1: Sucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So because of this, they get a little notoriety

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in LA which I love this story. Yeah, Like they

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feel like, oh man, we have made it because they

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played six Flags Magic Mountain in front of six thousand people.

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal, dude.

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Speaker 2: Six Flags Magic Mountain sounds like a fantastic gig too. Yeah,

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And so that summer they begin touring. They tour with Whitesnake,

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they tour with Judas Priests, they tour with Kiss docin Scorpions.

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That's kind of a who's who of early eighties bands

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right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And So during this time they had recorded an

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EP called Out of the Night, and after that six

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Flags act, that's when Emi comes and says, hey, we

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want to sign you. And then, like you said, they

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start touring with those guys. Now here's the story that

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I was I was gonna blow your mind with. Oh yeah, okay, okay.

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So while they're doing their Judas Priest tour, they are

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without a drum riser and they're like, hey, we need

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a drum riser for the show that we're doing, and

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the engineer is like, oh, hey, I know an old

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rocker here who's nearby. He's got a drum riser. He'll

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totally let us use it. So they go over to

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his house and they say to this guy, They're like,

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can we use your drum riser? He's like, yeah, can

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I come see the concert? And so they're like yeah sure.

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So he lends them their drum riser and then rides

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on their tour bus like a taxi over to the

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show and watches this show right right now? This is

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this is nineteen eighty two, eighty three, right. Do you

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know who the old rocker is? No, this is Ozzie.

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Who is this? This guy named Ian Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Get out of Town. That is a fantastic nugget.

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Speaker 1: No way, yes, Yeah, Like years before Once Bitten Twice

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Shy has come out. They are hooking up with Ian Hunter,

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getting a drum riser, and he's coming out to their show.

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I mean, he's just an old has been rocker at

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this point that they just are like, oh, hey, make friends.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna talk about if you don't know why,

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that's such a mind blowing.

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00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: Fact, it's gonna come up.

466
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: Hang tie, hold tight.

467
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay Ian Hunter remember the name.

468
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: Wow, that is a great nugget. Yeah, okay, So let's

469
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,920
move on to the next song. This song is called

470
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,920
Highway Nights.

471
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that they play with a formula. Could

472
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,920
this be any more like move it? I mean, once again,

473
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,160
we start with the sound of a bus us waving

474
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,319
again and then it's a gradual build blues song. It's great.

475
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,039
I like the music, but I'm like, I feel like

476
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:59,160
you should have spaced these a little more than just Yeah.

477
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,359
One song in the We've Got a We've Got a

478
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,319
Bus intro sandwich with the first three songs on this.

479
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: Album right, and the drums to be sound very John Baum.

480
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,039
I mean I think more led Zeppelin in this one.

481
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 1: This is There on the Road song, like every band

482
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:14,480
has to have There on the Road song. This is

483
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:18,119
the you know, Highway Nights, redtail Lights lead.

484
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: My every band has this song light On.

485
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:20,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,039
Speaker 2: By the way, do you remember the early name for

487
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,960
the band Highway Highway. Okay, so let's move on to

488
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,359
the next song. This song is called the Angel Song.

489
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: Angel Retailing, Combatita Lively, Treats You Bad Shows, Raision Star,

490
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,960
and Scott Way.

491
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: Both of these songs are obviously minor chord songs, right,

492
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:00,720
that's right, Yeah, like Save All Your Love, I'm Feeling

493
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:05,920
e minor, the Angel Song, I'm feeling a minor. It's like, yes,

494
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:09,039
this is a minor key sad power ballot, but now

495
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,559
we got piano instead of the cool guitar. But I

496
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,319
still I love it.

497
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the power ballad on this album that

498
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,960
makes me want to weep because it's so good. This

499
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,160
was the second single. This reached number thirty on the

500
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,799
Hot one hundred, which again it deserved better.

501
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,599
Speaker 1: In eighty nine.

502
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this song is about innocence, broken dreams, disappointment, death.

503
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,960
In fact, I would say that the lyrically it's very

504
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:38,200
similar to Fly to the Angels by Slaughter, which, right,

505
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,480
you know, it's about death. Every band in the eighties

506
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,240
to have a successful album, you had to have a

507
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,599
really good power ballad to go along with your rockers.

508
00:25:46,799 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it. So this one. Writing credits include Mark

509
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:10,680
Kendall and Alan Nivin. Yeah, you know Mark Kendall. It

510
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,720
was neat to watch him, watch him be interviewed because

511
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,119
he's he's always this guy that's kind of struck me

512
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,720
as an aloof kind of you know, untouchable guy. But

513
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,920
then when I've seen his interviews, he is the most friendly,

514
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,200
you know, like just does tons of interviews, very cordial,

515
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:31,400
very well spoken, great, just very friendly guy, great telling

516
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,680
a story, all of this stuff. So it was it

517
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,599
was great to see him talk. But he mentioned when

518
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,119
the question came up about Alan Nivin writing some of

519
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,039
their songs, he was like, yeah, you know, like we

520
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,200
all have our weaknesses. I have my weaknesses, and Jack

521
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,039
at that point was not strong on coming up with

522
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,720
lyrics for the song. You know, incredible voice, could do

523
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:54,200
whatever you wanted him to with the lyrics you gave him.

524
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720
He just wasn't great about coming up with words, and

525
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,000
so Alan just kind of came in and it was

526
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,680
something where it would be suggestions at first, and then

527
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,359
it was, hey, I wrote these lyrics for you, what

528
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,680
do you think? And he said, you know, the whole

529
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:10,119
band would be involved in the writing process, and everybody's

530
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,000
suggestions were taken and considered. But Alan really kind of

531
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,799
stepped in to become a lyric writer for them on

532
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,000
this album, more so than he had been previously.

533
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: By the way that piano is played by band member

534
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:24,880
Michael Lardie. Okay, I've got a quote from him, a

535
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,319
stinging quote. Oh they we'll talk about later.

536
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,799
Speaker 1: Oh all right, okay, Street.

537
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: They're making beautiful music here, not so much later.

538
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: There are things that happen with rock bands from time

539
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,240
to time.

540
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm spiking the football. This is the best song

541
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,160
on the album. Ooh, okay, I love me some power ballad.

542
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's interesting that you say that, because I

543
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,559
hollered at Kevin Davis before this episode, because he and

544
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,000
I had talked about the Cult and he said, you know,

545
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,400
he'd seen the Cult live like several times. I don't

546
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,440
remember how many times it was, but like three at least.

547
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,720
So today I was like Hey, what do you think

548
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,000
about a Great White? You know the band, and he said,

549
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,000
love it. Favorite song, it's the Bone.

550
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,799
Speaker 2: It's bluesy, I love it.

551
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great one. This is a great one,

552
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,599
and you know, subtle suggestions of the band.

553
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: I thought this was a single because I've heard a

554
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:30,799
lot of radio play from this one.

555
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

556
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,039
Speaker 2: By the way, I talked to Chris Webber Pete remember

557
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,839
Chris Webber today on the phone, and was asking him

558
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:38,759
if he had any memories of Great White. He said

559
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,400
he had a friend who was at a just a

560
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,720
music festival in New Orleans. He called it Howling Wolf,

561
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920
which I'm not familiar with, but his buddy was just

562
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
sitting there and looked over and like did a double take,

563
00:28:49,200 --> 00:29:05,400
and there's Jack Russell of Great White when watching a

564
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,680
band perform. And he walked over to him. He's like, Hi,

565
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:09,839
are you Jack Russell. He's like, yeah, good to meet

566
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:12,319
you and shook hands talked for a few minutes. That's awesome,

567
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,519
just a man among the people.

568
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,599
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that you say that. So I asked Kevin,

569
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:18,519
did you ever see them live? Because he had mentioned

570
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:21,519
seeing the Cult live, and he said, I saw Jack

571
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,519
Russell's Great White about five years ago, and they were

572
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,680
very good. And then he said I saw him in

573
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,839
the bathroom for the show, and he said he looked rough,

574
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,359
but he sounded great. Yeah, which is in opposition to

575
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:38,680
his report on the cult, which we'll talk about when

576
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,119
we get to that app interesting. Yeah. By the way,

577
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:44,200
Patrian member Kevin Dates, we love you guys.

578
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: I listened to a podcast where Eddie Trunk was interviewing

579
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,720
Jack Russell. And he's done all these terrible things to

580
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:54,200
his body, and his health has been terribly poor. At

581
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,680
times he's had to use a cane, but he's never

582
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:03,000
lost that unbelievable voice. Yeah, this bite mistreating it with drugs, alcohol, cigarettes.

583
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,599
Speaker 1: Well, you told you were the one that told me

584
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,759
the story about his doctor telling him, in no uncertain terms,

585
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:10,799
what would happen if he had another drink?

586
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: Right, yes, and I'll tell you that story here in

587
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:14,480
just a few minutes. All right, all right, hit stop

588
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:16,359
on your tape player, kick it out, flip it over

589
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,440
side to This song is called Baby's on Fire.

590
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: Got to go down because I need a distraction. I've

591
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,440
been trying it on with everyone in sight. She's been

592
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,200
waiting so long for me to come tonight. Another bit

593
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:52,480
of subtle suggestion and the lyrics by a hard rock fans.

594
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: It that's it. So, I mean, this is the formula, right,

595
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,240
it's crutchy guitars, it's pounding drums, it's funky blues.

596
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Sign I mean talk about a long intro. I mean

597
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,000
you're a full minute and nearly fifteen seconds into the

598
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,519
song before you realize, oh, this is not just a

599
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,720
guitar solo. Right, this song does have lyrics and I

600
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,400
like it. It's fine, right, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Now.

601
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,599
Speaker 2: I don't want to be too clever with this, but

602
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,039
based on the title of this song, Baby's on Fire, Yeah,

603
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,359
I think we need to talk about February twentieth, two

604
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,000
thousand and three.

605
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:45,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're referring to was a fire at the Station,

606
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:48,759
which was a big club in Rhode Island. And yeah,

607
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,720
I mean it's it's an incredible event because that night,

608
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,240
we need to say. The band split up in two

609
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,400
thousand and one. Jack Russell's addiction had gotten too much

610
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,119
of you know, his bender went on too long. The

611
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,160
band couldn't depend on him now. Sadly, they just kind

612
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,039
of quit returning his phone calls. He was kind of

613
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,960
irritated that. He's like, I understand. He goes, if somebody

614
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,200
in my band now was behaving like that, I would

615
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,400
fire them. That's what I would do. I would fire them,

616
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,480
and he goes, But they didn't fire me. They just

617
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,920
quit talking to me. Right, It's not the thing that

618
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,039
you know, somebody you've been friends with and toured with

619
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,960
and worked with for the last fifteen years should be doing.

620
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,200
And I mean it's at two thousand and one, we're

621
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,599
closer to twenty at that point.

622
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,559
Speaker 2: But well it's back it up just a step from there.

623
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

624
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,279
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety two, during the making of Psycho City, Yeah,

625
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Jack and Mark both became clean and sober. Yeah, with

626
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:44,519
the help of Steven Tyler.

627
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,279
Speaker 1: Yep, right right, Yeah, they.

628
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: Quit drinking, quit smoking, they got fit, they like worked

629
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,160
out right.

630
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then still ugly though. Sorry, guys, I just

631
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:56,839
I pointed out to Jason, like, I think another reason

632
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480
this doesn't fall into the hairband scenarios. These guys are

633
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:03,279
not musicians, right, They got some they got some interesting

634
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:05,440
look about them, not what I would describe as a

635
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,000
pretty boy act. That's right.

636
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: So after eight years of being clean and sober. Yeah,

637
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,240
in the year two thousand, they both both Jack and

638
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,599
Mark fell off the wagon.

639
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

640
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: Jack said he went from like friendly drinking to freebasing

641
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:22,480
like that. Wow, he said, It's just he cannot be trusted.

642
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:26,000
He is a full blown alcoholic drug addict and can't

643
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:28,440
be around it at all ever. Right, and so when

644
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,799
the band broke up in two thousand and one, Mark

645
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:33,319
got clean and sober again and could just could not

646
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:34,759
be around a drug addict.

647
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: The thing was is that when they split up, as

648
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,799
weird as that was, the question was who gets to

649
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,160
keep being Great White?

650
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: Right?

651
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean, because I mean to hear Jack Russell say it,

652
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,000
he was like, I didn't get fired. I fired everybody else.

653
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,000
And so it was it's and so what if you know,

654
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,559
the litigation or whatever it was that they had to

655
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:55,720
get through things. It then became Jack Russell's Great White

656
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:58,640
and it was just him singing with an entirely different

657
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,240
band for quite a while. And then, as you said,

658
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,839
we have this kind of weird thing that happens the

659
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,160
night that they play at the station in Rhode Island,

660
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,559
where they don't build themselves as Jack Russell's Great White,

661
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,360
They just build themselves as great White. Yeah.

662
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: So in two thousand and two, Jack Russell reached out

663
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,079
to Mark Kendall and said, hey, man, it's been a while.

664
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,840
What do you think you want to try and do

665
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,000
this thing again. So the two of them got together

666
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,800
with another couple of dudes, different guys that you know,

667
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,679
we're not in the original man, right, And so Mark

668
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,159
Kendall joined him on this tour. And then in February

669
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,159
of two thousand and three, they're playing this local club

670
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,119
in Rhode Island called the Station, called the Station, yep,

671
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,360
the Station Nightclub, and they set fire to a pyrotechnic

672
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,320
as the concert's starting.

673
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was their tour manager. They had just they

674
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,679
were just opening the show. Their opening song was Desert Moon.

675
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,760
Oh yeah, okay. And I don't know what goes on

676
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,920
in people's heads on why they decide things were a

677
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,400
good idea. But the guy's name was Daniel Lachelle yep.

678
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:04,039
And he ignited flammable acoustic foam on both sides and

679
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,559
the top center of the drummer's alcove at the back

680
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:08,159
of the stage.

681
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,039
Speaker 2: All right, So I heard the story on why that

682
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,519
stuff was there. This is kind of an interesting story

683
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,079
in itself. So there had been a lot of noise

684
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,559
complaints around this club, and so they put all this

685
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,519
foam on the walls to keep the sound from going

686
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,599
out and disturbing people in the neighborhood. Oh okay, Yeah,

687
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:30,480
Well that foam was extremely flammable, and when you light

688
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:34,880
a giant pyrotechnic next to something super flammable, you have

689
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,400
two hundred and thirty people injured and one hundred people killed.

690
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:42,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was The design of the club was bad.

691
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,360
The club was bury old, like one hundred years old.

692
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,320
I mean it's just alcohol soaked wood. The design of

693
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,039
the club. The entrance has a hallway, like you're immediately

694
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:56,039
in a hallway. So when the fire started and it

695
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:58,800
was fast, it was fast. One of the owners was

696
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,199
there and he was near the entrance and so he

697
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,559
immediately got out, but he was like he was having

698
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:06,280
to scream at people to get out of the way

699
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,519
of the door so that other people could get out

700
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,719
because the fire was coming so quickly. The bouncer who

701
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,440
was there, I mean, this was a guy who was

702
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,840
beloved in the community. He'd actually been on Letterman multiple times.

703
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,559
I think the stupid human tricks he just had a

704
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,119
weird He had an operation at some point in his

705
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,840
life that gave him the like it was a operation

706
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,360
for something that a side effect was he could balance

707
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,679
anything on his chin, Like he put a full sized

708
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,119
canoe on his chin and balance it, or a human

709
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:37,639
being on a stand and bounce it. So he would

710
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,719
be on Letterman on these stupid human tricks. He's working

711
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,000
as a bouncer at this club, and you watched the

712
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,320
documentary on this and his brothers. He's saying in ninety

713
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,599
seconds he went in and out of that club nine times,

714
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,800
grabbing people and bringing them out. And the interviewers like,

715
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:55,639
how do you know it was nine times? And the

716
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,119
guy says, because I've had nine families come and tell

717
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,639
me your brother saved my life, saved my son's life,

718
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,480
saved my daughter, wife whoever's life. So this amazing guy

719
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,079
goes back in and out so many times that trying

720
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,320
to save people that on timey number ten, he doesn't

721
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:16,760
make it out.

722
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,159
Speaker 2: You know who else was killed was one of the

723
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,480
guitarists in the band. Yeah, his name was Ty Longley. Yeah,

724
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,760
young guy married, she was pregnant, Yeah, three months pregnant,

725
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,920
and he knew somebody in the crowd and was trying

726
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,679
to protect them.

727
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was an exit at the back of the stage,

728
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:36,519
and that the rest of the band goes out that

729
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,480
back just like it. Yep. Yeah, But because he had

730
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,599
had a friend in the crowd, he was like, I

731
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:43,639
don't want to leave my buddy behind, right, you know,

732
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,960
how would you feel if you did exit through the

733
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,199
easy exit and then your buddy dies? So it makes

734
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,599
it makes sense, But you were telling me he took

735
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:52,400
his guitar with him.

736
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: He used his guitar to break windows to get people out,

737
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,199
And we looked at there's a great diagram in the

738
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,000
picture of it. You and I were looking at it

739
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,360
were like, well, there's a giant bottleneck. You just can't

740
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,440
get out fast enough.

741
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: Now.

742
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 2: It was the deadliest fireworks accident in US history and

743
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,480
the second deadliest nightclub incident.

744
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: The owners of the club were charged criminally with this.

745
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,199
I think they were ultimately acquitted, and I felt listening

746
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,599
to him talk. I felt bad for him. I mean,

747
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:20,280
they were guys who just were you know, they made

748
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,800
an investment in a club. They were actually trying to

749
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,239
sell it like it was on the market.

750
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Sheesh Well and Daniel the tour manager, he lights the pyrotechnice,

751
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,239
he gets fifteen years, he serves four. You know why

752
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,599
he got out or why he was paroled so quickly

753
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,119
because family members went to bat for him, like people

754
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,239
who lost members of their family in the fire. They

755
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,159
were like, that's not this guy's fault. He didn't need

756
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,159
a rotten jail forever. Wow, he's paid his price, let's

757
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:47,719
get him out.

758
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,079
Speaker 1: Wow.

759
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: I hate to bring the podcast down, but you cannot

760
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,079
talk about the history of Great White without discussing this

761
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,559
incredible fire.

762
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a monumental event in their history for sure.

763
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,480
I feel like we need to move on. Let's let's

764
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,440
let's go back to happier times. Let's go move on

765
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,480
to our next song that's not Babies on Fire.

766
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: Let's go to the House of Broken Left.

767
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say that this is my favorite song

768
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:36,599
on this album.

769
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,039
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that you love it.

770
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,639
Speaker 1: And if it's not also David Wright's favorite song, I'll

771
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:42,280
eat my hat.

772
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

773
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:47,039
Speaker 1: This is so Blue Jean Blues by Zezy Top, Like

774
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,599
it's just that slow, just my heart is ripped in half.

775
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,440
The blues of the blues, like truly sad blues, which

776
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,880
is appropriate for how the song came to be, you

777
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,480
know this story.

778
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, so Mark and Jack Russell had just recently

779
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,960
gone through these terrible breakups.

780
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, divorce for Jack Russell.

781
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 2: Divorce, his first divorce. And they're sitting there like looking

782
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:09,840
pitiful on the amps, you know, waiting to begin in

783
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,800
practice or whatever, like bummed out. And Alan even comes in.

784
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,199
It's like, what is this the house of broken love.

785
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:25,679
Speaker 3: With the devil? Help the devil in the.

786
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:35,599
Speaker 2: Broken love, which I think is hilarious. Yeah, but yeah,

787
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:38,639
they were just in the dumps going through breakup.

788
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: How many times have you heard somebody say something and

789
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,039
you're like, that'd be a good songtime, Yeah, exactly. And

790
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,239
then I could just imagine that's a broken love. That's

791
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,760
a broken love, Like that got something we could do

792
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:51,639
with that? That's it.

793
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,639
Speaker 2: At least I got something out of this divorce. This

794
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,280
was the third single Releast January of nineteen ninety that

795
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,559
reached number eighty three on the Hot Whenever.

796
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: He is a travesty again, that's crazy.

797
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,079
Speaker 2: Okay, I I got something for you on this one.

798
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Okay, the B side on this one?

799
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: Do you know what the B side is b.

800
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,519
Speaker 1: Side on this one was Bitches and Other Women and

801
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,840
then the live version of Redhouse, which is an old

802
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:16,320
Jimmy Hendrix staple song.

803
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: So this is like a medley cover of Bitch by

804
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,320
the Rolling Stones. It's only rock and Rolled by the

805
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Rolling Stones and Women by Foreigner. So Bitches and Other.

806
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Women, gotcha nice. So we were talking before about you know,

807
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,639
borrowing Ian Hunter's drum riser and him coming to the

808
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:38,400
concert Judish Priest concert. Now they were with him. I

809
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,360
at that point they had done all these tours. We

810
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,280
talked about it, you know, Kiss Doc and Judas Priest,

811
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,880
White Snake back when White Snake still had Cozy Powell

812
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,920
as a drummer. Yes, there you go. But when they

813
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:55,559
get back home, hadn't had any significant radio hits. And

814
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,400
EMI is like, listen, guys, we're just not We're not

815
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,480
really going to promote this anymore. And they they've got

816
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:03,079
a multi record deal with them, but if you don't

817
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:08,800
get promotion, it's meaningless, right, And so they parted ways

818
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,280
amicably into their contract. But that meant that in nineteen

819
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,000
eighty five they were an unsigned band again. Oh wow.

820
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,119
And so they literally they had T shirts printed up

821
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:24,159
that said Survive eighty five. Like Alan Even's talking to him,

822
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,000
he's like, do you want to fight? He's talking to

823
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:27,760
Mark Kendall, He's like, do you want to fight or

824
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,679
do you want to give up? And Mark Kendall's tells

825
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,840
him about when he was seventeen years old walking on

826
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,239
the beach, I said to myself, I am either going

827
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,320
to make it as a guitarist or I'm going to

828
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,440
be a bum and those are my only two options.

829
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,639
And so I want to fight. And so through eighty

830
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,400
five they're trying to live, but they're really going back

831
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,119
to the club scene. And then a magical thing happens.

832
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:56,920
There's a song that they have called on your Knees okay,

833
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,199
and there's this group of concerns earned parents that get

834
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,159
together called the PMRC.

835
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:04,559
Speaker 3: Yeah I remember them.

836
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, as it turns its fifteen, the Filthy fifteen

837
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,159
includes a great white song what called on your Knees,

838
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,880
And it's I mean, it's a juvenile like it sounds

839
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,960
if you were an uptight Tipper Gore. It sounds like

840
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,840
a rape song, but it's really just a you know,

841
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,760
rough love kind of song, right sure, And so they

842
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,880
get notoriety even though they're an unsigned band, they get

843
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,920
the notoriety of being on the Filthy fifteen with this

844
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,599
song on your Knees, and so they're thinking, we could

845
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,159
do this. We just have to get another album, right,

846
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,000
But they don't have a record label to cover the

847
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,679
cost of their album. So they're talking to the engineer,

848
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,840
and their engineer is like, Oh, I got a friend

849
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,360
or a cousin or something like that named Fred, who's

850
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,360
you know, he's looking to back a band on something.

851
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,119
And so they borrow fifteen thousand dollars from Fred. Whoever,

852
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:53,800
Fred Fred?

853
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: Right, let's go Fred.

854
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: They borrow fifteen thousand dollars for him, and they produced

855
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,239
their own album called Shot in the Dark. So on

856
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,400
Shot of the Dark, they have this song called Face

857
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,440
the Day. Okay, okay, here's here's what Face the Day

858
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:26,039
sounds like. So, just like they did before, they managed

859
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:29,440
to get this song played on a few radio stations,

860
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,559
and it actually becomes a kind of a successful song

861
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,519
in Texas and Arizona and ends up being the second

862
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,760
most requested song on KLOS.

863
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: A big rock station in Los Angeles.

864
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,559
Speaker 1: Exactly. So what happens, Capitol Records calls them up. Now

865
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:49,039
Capitol Records is the parent company of EMI that had

866
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,159
just screwed them over months ago, and Capitol Records. It's like, hey,

867
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,840
we like what you're doing out there, how about we

868
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,719
sign you in. They're like, we did it. Like they

869
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,760
managed to survive eighty five. They end up signing with

870
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:05,039
Capitol Records. They go on the road with docin for

871
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,119
like five shows and one other thing that happens in

872
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:12,960
nineteen eighty five, Once Bitten gets released seven No. Eighty five.

873
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,599
What it was a movie?

874
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey and Laura Hutton Jim Carrey.

875
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,119
Speaker 1: And Lauren Hutton are in the movie Once Bitten in

876
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,119
nineteen eighty five, and are you ready for this? Do

877
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,480
you remember what Jim Carrey's character's name is in that movie? No,

878
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,440
it don't. His name is Mark Kendall. It is.

879
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:31,679
Speaker 2: You're exactly right?

880
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,199
Speaker 3: What stop?

881
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: That is a mind blowing You're not gonna get that

882
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,599
anywhere else. But it surely can't be serious podcasts. Yeah,

883
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,360
great job, dee.

884
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then of course they released Once Bitten in

885
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,760
eighty seven, and then of course we get you know

886
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,159
twice Shy in nine awesome second last song on the

887
00:45:51,199 --> 00:46:06,719
album she Only Well Once Again twelve string guitar, acoustic

888
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,519
guitar playing some minor chords, power ballad song. This is

889
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,639
a good one. It's acceptable. The melody gives me kind

890
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,480
of this you know, Bible Goes West, you know, Don

891
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,599
Bluth kind of song somebody's singing as they're staring at

892
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,719
the moon, kind of vibe about him. But but it's

893
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,559
not it's not bad. I would enjoy it.

894
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:25,519
Speaker 2: It's not bad, it's good.

895
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: You know.

896
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,039
Speaker 2: In the movie Twins where you've got Kelly Preston and

897
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:31,440
her kind of not the best looking sister, yes, right,

898
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:34,079
so save all your love is Kelly Preston, and then

899
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,079
this one's kind of the you know not, you know,

900
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,159
not as cute sister. Right, go back to our Twins episode.

901
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's great. Yeah, so again, I love

902
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,360
the sound of Jack Russell's voice with a twelve string guitar.

903
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,719
And we talked like the voice is the thing that's

904
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,719
stuck with him, right, didn't you tell me, like he's

905
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,159
you don't even have a house now.

906
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: He lives on a boat. He lives on a boat,

907
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,280
which we both agreed it sounds kind of fitting for

908
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,400
this kind of old.

909
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: Rocker, you know. Yeah, sure, I mean Why why worry

910
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,079
about property taxes?

911
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: Exactly right? Yeah, he says, he just lives on this

912
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,159
booney fishes.

913
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,679
Speaker 1: Yeah he likes to. Hey, it turns out he does

914
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,000
love sharks. I mean, if this guy hasn't gone shark

915
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,239
fishing on his houseboat, there's something wrong, something right, right,

916
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:20,679
that's right.

917
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,599
Speaker 2: You know I told you that in two thousand he relapsed.

918
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:26,599
He and both he and Mark k relapsed and he

919
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,880
went instantly to free racing cocaine. And you know, he

920
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,280
got down to one hundred and thirty seven pounds right,

921
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,360
had to use a cane. He went into a coma.

922
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,039
His liver shut down, and while he was in this coma,

923
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,119
doctor told his wife, I don't think he's going to

924
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:42,880
make it right. You need to prepare yourself.

925
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: He's not going to leave, okay. Wow.

926
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: Well when he did, he said, he told her, you know,

927
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,280
if he takes another drink, he dies, like this is

928
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,719
not okay. He needs to dial it back. No, he

929
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,559
needs to cut it out or else. And he said

930
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,880
that was exactly what he needed to have because he

931
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,199
is just a raging alcoholic. And he used that word

932
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,039
raging alcoholic. He said, I just cannot handle it and

933
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,960
so I have to be abstinate. I mentioned earlier that

934
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,719
Marc A. Lardie, who was in the band with him,

935
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,239
kind of made a cutting comment in the twenty tens

936
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,880
when he's like full on drug addict stage. They all

937
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,800
went to Janeye Lane's funeral, which Jannie Lane died of

938
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,119
alcohol poisoning. He married Bobby Brown. Janie Lane was the

939
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:29,440
lead singer for Warrant Right, Yes, flash back to our

940
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,000
best of eighty nine where you picked a song and

941
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:33,760
I picked a song and they weren't the same.

942
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: Just leap yourself there.

943
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: But you know, he's a full on, raging drug addict

944
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,920
at this moment, and he's in the bathroom and he

945
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,719
hears his former bandmate say, in reference to Jack Russell,

946
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,840
why doesn't that guy just die already? Wow? He said

947
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,760
that comment hurt him really bad. He's like, I don't

948
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,400
mind that they didn't want to be in a band

949
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,960
with me, but that one really hurt.

950
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and Lauren Black, who was their bassist, he

951
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:07,360
died as well from his drug addiction. So it's just

952
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,280
a tragic I mean, it's it's a rough industry to

953
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,840
get in in the eighties and make it out Alive

954
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:18,559
Drugs Kids. Yeah, so Once Bitten gets certified platinum by

955
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,639
April of eighty eight. Okay, And so they go out

956
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,079
on a year long tour and they are touring with

957
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,559
T and T, David Lee, Roth, White Snake probably the

958
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:34,920
new version at this time, Monsters of Rock Tour, Twisted Sister,

959
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,639
and importantly a band mentioned before in case you don't remember,

960
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,639
their name is Guns and Roses. And that's important because

961
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,840
the guitarist, not the lead guitarist, but the rhythm guitarist

962
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,039
for Guns N' Roses, a guy named Izzy Stradlin says

963
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,159
to Alan Niven one day, Hey, these guys have this

964
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,559
album Once Bitten. You know this song by Ian Hunter.

965
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,199
It's like, now, let me play it for you. It's

966
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:14,000
it's a song called once Bitten twice shy man. So

967
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,480
Alan Niven brings this to the band and they're like, okay, sure,

968
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:21,280
why not, I know whatever? This is fun. And so,

969
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,239
in case you don't know, Ian Hunter is the guy

970
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,199
who used to be the singer for Mata Hoopel back

971
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,280
in the seventies. Yeah, yeah, and he had split with them.

972
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,519
In his first album out that he called Ian Hunter,

973
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,960
he had this song called once bitten twice shy on it.

974
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,679
It was a minor hit. I hit number fourteen in

975
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,480
the UK, never showed up in the US at all.

976
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,039
Just this kind of minor thing that because is he

977
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:48,119
straddling the rhythm guitarist for Guns N' Roses is a

978
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,719
well versed musician. He happened to know about it, and

979
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,559
that's how we get to the song that we're about

980
00:50:54,599 --> 00:51:12,119
to play for you, Sad.

981
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,039
Speaker 2: This song is so awesome and it just ruled the

982
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:26,320
summer of nineteen eighty nine.

983
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,679
Speaker 1: This is a fantastic song. I don't care that it

984
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,440
was popular. I still love it. The piano on this,

985
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,000
the funk and fun and the they're just having a

986
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:41,159
great time playing this song because they have no idea

987
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,880
that they are making a worldwide mega hit song that

988
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,559
will blast the airwaves for the next six months.

989
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:50,199
Speaker 2: That's it. They thought it would be fun to do,

990
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,920
but they didn't really think it's gonna be a hit.

991
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: No.

992
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: This song goes all the way to number five on

993
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:56,920
the Hot one hundred. Okay, before you tell me what

994
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:58,920
the four are that beat it out, because I know

995
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,920
that you have got it. Yeah, they didn't even want

996
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,320
This is the single off the album.

997
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: The band didn't even there there. It's like, really you

998
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:05,960
want this cover? Yeah?

999
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:06,079
Speaker 2: No.

1000
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: The record guys came in and they're like, yes, this

1001
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:12,480
is it. This is the obvious single off of it.

1002
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:15,360
And they're like really, and Alan Niven's like, guys, how

1003
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,599
do you not know that this is They're like, okay,

1004
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,119
you know they would have picked another song.

1005
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 2: Oh this is so fun. I can tell you stories

1006
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,920
of me and Patre. I remember Chris Bauer aka Bomber.

1007
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,400
We would thump this song as we're going to school,

1008
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,639
going to football practice, going all over the place.

1009
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1010
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,079
Speaker 2: And in fact, he had the single I've Once betten

1011
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,320
Twice Shy, which the B side has a bonus song

1012
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,920
that we're gonna talk about once we get done with

1013
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,760
this one. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, Now then the hot

1014
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:43,360
one hundred.

1015
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna give me the four songs, the four songs

1016
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,320
that beat this one out. Yeah, okay, maybe not the

1017
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,280
best way to put that, The four songs that topped

1018
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,360
this one on the chart.

1019
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:57,639
Speaker 2: Yes, And I told you this is a kind of

1020
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,079
a Hodge nineteen eighty nine. I'm a big proponent of

1021
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,519
eighty nine, but the musical landscape in eighty nine was

1022
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,800
weird because hair metal was there, but it was changing.

1023
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,199
You had kind of the rise of sort of R

1024
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,280
and B, and then you had sort of rap and

1025
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,519
it was just a kind of a hodgepodg So number

1026
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:14,840
four you have So Alive by Love and Rockets.

1027
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,519
Speaker 1: That's that's a big one. Yep. I feel like we

1028
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:19,719
should do a Patreon episode on that one. It's a

1029
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:20,360
great one man.

1030
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: Number three is Batanance by pra Oh my gosh, maybe

1031
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,280
the worst number one song of the eighties. I love

1032
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,039
it because all it is is just quoting Batman stuff.

1033
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:31,440
But it's just junk, you know.

1034
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: It is a bit junky but fun.

1035
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: Yes. Number two is on our Own by Bobby Brown,

1036
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,599
the Ghostbusters two song Wow. And then number one is

1037
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,920
right Here Waiting by Richard Marks, the song about Cynthia Rhodes.

1038
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: They go back to our other Patreon episode where we

1039
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,719
can't discuss it because there's a secret.

1040
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: It's a secret.

1041
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: That's it. Yes. By the way, guys, if you want

1042
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,599
to join our Patreon family, we have some of our

1043
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,440
most fun episodes. We cover one hit wonders and other

1044
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,519
novelty songs on there. And sometimes it's like a mystery song.

1045
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,199
You have to guess what the song is. But if

1046
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,119
you guys are interested in doing that, go to Patreon

1047
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,559
dot com slash. I got called out on Facebook and

1048
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,800
God bless you sir for letting me know mistake. It's

1049
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,280
not backslash. There is no backslash in a url slash

1050
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:21,800
Shirley podcast. And you can become a Patreon member where

1051
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,599
you will hear all of our super secret episodes that

1052
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:28,400
we share with our Patreon family. Lots of very fun

1053
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,440
stuff on that.

1054
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I got a nugget for you on one's bitten

1055
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,199
twice I d okay, Yeah, all right. So the music

1056
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,719
video is directed by our man Nigel Dick.

1057
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: Oh, Nigel Dick.

1058
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:40,159
Speaker 2: Nigel Dick, Yes, I do so, and it was huge

1059
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,599
on him TV. Right, this is on all the time. Yeah,

1060
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:46,360
we talked about little miss Bobby Brown, yes, who later

1061
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,519
went on to become the Cherrypie Girl. She's on the

1062
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:49,400
cover of this album.

1063
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: Later went on to become the missus.

1064
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: Jai Lane Lane. Yeah, she's also in the video. You

1065
00:54:55,039 --> 00:55:02,119
can see her. She's nineteen or twenty, you know, very beautiful. Yes,

1066
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,960
but there are a lot of lady friends from the

1067
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:09,400
band there, right, Yeah, it's just a little big happy

1068
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,400
family there. And you know, the band told me they

1069
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,800
were the best look in town. I can't say that.

1070
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,920
I'm not saying that. I gotta no.

1071
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:20,559
Speaker 1: You don't leap yourself if you want to, boy, Okay.

1072
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,639
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's a great video. All it is is

1073
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,800
they're in a warehouse and just kind of jamming out

1074
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:27,239
Girl's next, Yeah, hot chicks.

1075
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it. Fun video, fun song, love it absolutely so.

1076
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,039
Ian Hunter, the same guy that had just years before

1077
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,719
lent them the drum riser and used their bus as

1078
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,320
a taxi to get to the show. His song is

1079
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,000
now their biggest hit, and as it turns out, he

1080
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:52,039
gets money from that. He don't get just a little

1081
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,239
bit of money, Like this song has probably made him

1082
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,559
a million dollars, Like it's it's crazy. But even back

1083
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:01,320
then it's he's it's getting checks in the mail. I

1084
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,079
told you he was kind of this washed up. At

1085
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:06,960
this point, he puts a band back together, they start touring.

1086
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,280
He starts playing once bit and twice shy, and people

1087
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,119
come up to him after the show go why are

1088
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:13,239
you covering a great white song?

1089
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: Because I love them right, and they gave me a

1090
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,320
million dollars. Yeah, yeah, I love it all right, Li.

1091
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,880
So we've given plenty of warnings about illegal drugs and

1092
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,400
how they're terrible for your health and how they almost

1093
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:27,559
I mean they did kill one of the guys in

1094
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:31,360
this band and almost killed everybody else. Yeah, but I'm sorry.

1095
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,679
This song is so fun.

1096
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: We've got to cover two bonus songs. So if you

1097
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,239
had the extended version of this album, you got it

1098
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,199
later on. This song made it on Wasted Rock Ranger

1099
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,559
and another song called slow Ride, which you would say

1100
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,760
best two songs on the album.

1101
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it's in the conversation. I love both of

1102
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,199
these songs.

1103
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So before we hit Wasted Rock Ranger, because that's

1104
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,679
the one we're gonna talk about, I just want to

1105
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,519
get a sample of slow Ride for people who have

1106
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:57,519
who may not have heard it.

1107
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:09,599
Speaker 3: Go outside.

1108
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,719
Speaker 1: So when you told me about Wasted Rock Ranger, I

1109
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,280
found the extended edition. I saw a slow Ride on here.

1110
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,079
I'm like, oh, they did a fog Hat cover. No

1111
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,760
that is not that's not that slow Ride. This is

1112
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,719
a different slow Ride.

1113
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: I love the song, and thing's great.

1114
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,039
Speaker 1: You said you thought it. I mean, if it was

1115
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:31,320
on the original album, you said it would have been

1116
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:32,639
one of the top three songs.

1117
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, I think so.

1118
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: But the fun, the fun one, the one we're here

1119
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,199
that we got to talk about is wasted rock ranger.

1120
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:39,599
Here we go.

1121
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,519
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a wasted rock ranger.

1122
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: I live the life danger all the road, fine, higher high.

1123
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,559
Speaker 3: I don't need no inspection. I need it's my abjection out.

1124
00:57:57,639 --> 00:57:59,679
If you let's follow, get me bye.

1125
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: This this great white singing country man. This is like

1126
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,559
this is like on lies when they go I used

1127
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:10,840
to love her, but I had to kill her. It's

1128
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,400
that fun little we're just being crazy and wildly inappropriate.

1129
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,679
And who's this trucker that we're listening to at the beginning?

1130
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:21,480
Does he have any idea that they recorded him making

1131
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:23,599
some comment to some poor truck stop?

1132
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: Probably year, No way, I love this song. It's so

1133
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,360
fun man. And he's talking about hanging out with Jimmy

1134
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,480
and his friends, you know.

1135
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,199
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, So he's he's talking about the

1136
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,559
fun of drug addiction.

1137
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: Right, So hey, your rock razer, sing this song and

1138
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:49,960
follow it. When you read number one, you can't over

1139
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:50,880
those more.

1140
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: Fun and going, which is really I mean, the guy

1141
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,000
went to prison for shooting somebody in a drug robbery.

1142
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,360
I mean, I don't know how he thinks it's okay,

1143
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,719
And then of course loses his place in one of

1144
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,639
these bands because of his whatever whatever. That's fine, but yes,

1145
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:10,400
he's he's singing about how fun drug addiction is. That

1146
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:13,440
he wouldn't be working for some fed up slob. He

1147
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:15,480
left his wife and his family so that he could

1148
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:18,840
go be a rock singer. If you're a wasted rock ranger,

1149
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,519
you'll live a life of danger. Sing this song and

1150
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,880
follow it till the end. When you reach number one,

1151
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,000
you can overdose for fun and go and visit Jimmy

1152
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:31,000
and his friends.

1153
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,079
Speaker 2: Love it, man, it's so fun.

1154
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: That has some messed up stuff, but I love it.

1155
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I told you. I said that there's no way

1156
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,800
we can cover this album without talking about this song.

1157
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Okay, we dropped the teaser at the

1158
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:47,079
beginning talking about Babe, I'm Gonna leave You. I gotta

1159
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,920
tell you. I remember, I remember the moment sitting in

1160
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,719
front of the TV and seeing them play bab I

1161
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,400
Want to leave You. I was listening to led Zeppelin

1162
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,840
by that point. I don't think that I had come

1163
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,760
to this song yet.

1164
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: This is.

1165
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:04,119
Speaker 1: This is one of their earlier songs. Zeppelin's earlier songs, right,

1166
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maybe off the first album I remember it's very first album, Yeah,

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sixty nine led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin second song on the album,

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if I remember correctly. Maybe Anyway, Anyway, they play this

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song and I'm floored at how good it is. And

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as I said, I went to the guitar teacher I

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had at that time, and I'm like, hey, have you

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heard this great white song? And he's like, well, yeah,

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but it's a led Zeppelin song. And I'm like, Okay,

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show me how to do this. And I was not

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good enough at that point to figure out how to

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do it. And then when I listened to the led

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Zeppelin version. I hate to say this, I love I

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still love the led Zeppelin version, I was a little

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disappointed and I said this to you. I'm like, this

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is one of the greatest covers of all time, and

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your words were, it's better it is. I hate to

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say it because I love led Zeppelin, but they did

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such an incredible job on this song that I would

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say it's better than the original, and it is a

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it is a true to the original song. They haven't

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like redone it. This is a very true to the

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original song, and they did it better than the original.

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Speaker 3: Summer comes alone. Bame bab bab bab bab Baby, Baby,

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I don't want to leave you.

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Speaker 1: Now. After I told you this, you told me a

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story that blew my freaking mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this was played on MTV's second unplugged television show.

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This is May sixth, nineteen ninety second, the second one.

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You know that everybody knows unplugged. But right, yeah, so

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this is the second show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, what was the first show?

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Speaker 2: The first one was the Squeeze.

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Speaker 1: Squeeze me right, yeah, the Squeeze.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was the first MTV unplugged Great White was

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the second.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the Squeeze, but I have to think

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that afterwards they were like, well, we got another band

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to come and do this. I don't know if this

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unplugged thing is really going to work out, but man, well.

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Speaker 2: I would say I would argue that, Babe, I'm going

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to leave you is what launched MTV unplugged, right, Oh

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for sure? Okay, so here's the deal. Yeah, Jack Russell

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and Mark Kendall are right in the car together on

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the way to this gig and they're like, you know what,

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we should do this led Zeppelin song and they just

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kind of popped in a tape you know the old days,

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you know, cassette play and they're working it out on

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the way over.

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Speaker 1: They figured out the song on the way to the

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Unplugged show.

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Speaker 2: They listened to it in the car and they were like, yeah,

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we should totally do this. They go backstage and they're like, okay,

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they're re listening to it and they're like, oh yeah,

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don't forget that part. Oh hear how that guitar kind

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of does that and they kind of.

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Speaker 1: Work it out. I mean, guys, keep in mind, this

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is the full band. This is guitarist, bass, rhythm guitarist.

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That is also I mean, if you listen, they're playing together,

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they are playing picking the notes together, Mark Kendall and

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whoever they had is their rhythm guitarist at that point,

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and they nailed it.

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Speaker 2: They nailed it, and in fact, this is the deal.

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I mean, you and I agree, this gives us chills. Yeah,

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Jack Russell said the one in rehearsal, the one that

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they did prior to this one, was even better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said that they did one run through for

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the audience, and then they did it live on the

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show recording and you said that the first one was

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even better than this one.

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Speaker 2: That's why he said it still gives them chills.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Well, okay, fantastic. We have finished up with

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an incredible band, oh so many incredible stories and an

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incredible album, but we're matching it up against something that

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is truly worthy. So you guys come back next week.

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We are going to be talking about the Cult and

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Sonic Temple. I will be telling you about my virgin

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experience with this album because I had never listened to

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a single Cult song before I heard this album, and

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I'm excited to talk about it. And we will be

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joined by one of our our oldest Atreon member, mister

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James Buckley. Back again. I can't wait to talk about

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this album.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you back here next week. All right, now,

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just for pure reactionary purposes, we've talked about how you're

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not necessarily a great white fan. You're kind of learning

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their stuff. I jumped in in nineteen eighty seven with

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once a Bit, and I told you there's a song

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on there called Save All Your Love. It's one of

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their big songs and I just want you to play

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it because I think you're gonna love it. We just

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get a live reaction from you on this one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this will be my live reaction at this song.

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Speaker 3: Okay, weekend's always.

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Speaker 1: I already love it.

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Speaker 2: It builds, it's a builder.

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Speaker 1: We know what. Second, it's my new favorite Great White song.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It's so good. I mean the acoustic songs with the guys,

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with the rocking like I love when the children cry,

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I love those, the power ballad songs, and that's fan fantastic, fantastic.

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I'm sitting here and I like, while while it's going,

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I'm typing into the computer, going what how did I

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miss this song? Well, okay, so you're the answer. I

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came up with it spent twelve weeks on the Hot

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one hundred, peaking out at number fifty seven. Ah, that's

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a travesty. And that was in February of eighty eight,

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when any song like that should have been topping the charts.

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I don't know how that flew under the radar.

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Speaker 2: That's Chray stupid George Michael, which we love. But anyway,

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I just knew you would love that song. Being the

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guitar player and the soulful lyrics and the voice.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. That's the type of song I want to

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hear Jack Russell singer more than any other song.