Speaker 1: It's Nice Eyes Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: We are talking about the pardons, the pardons that were
Speaker 2: extended both by President Biden and by President Trump. But
Speaker 2: we're focused tonight on the January sixth pardons of the
Speaker 2: sitting President Donald Trump. And there apparently are some who
Speaker 2: have simply received clemency, which is different than a pardon.
Speaker 2: A pardon is the more the record is in effect
Speaker 2: wiped clean. There's one woman tonight who was convicted, actually
Speaker 2: pled guilty, said she's not accepting a pardon. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at an article written by John You, who I respect immensely.
Speaker 2: He's a professor of law the University of California, and
Speaker 2: he is also talking about the number of pardons and
Speaker 2: commutations that President Biden and granted eight thousand in fact,
Speaker 2: which is more than any modern president. He writes, thousands
Speaker 2: of Biden's clemency grants were to serious criminals, including murderers,
Speaker 2: child killers, child abuses, and the biggest municipal and bezzlers
Speaker 2: in history Rita Krundwell. Several of the grants benefit well
Speaker 2: connected Democrats. In both twenty and twenty twenty two and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, Biden abused his pardon power to achieve
Speaker 2: mass sentencing reductions that Congress refused to pass by law.
Speaker 2: President Obama did the same thing when he issued mass
Speaker 2: commutations of drug sentences. Secondly, it's obviously not principal politics
Speaker 2: that drove Biden's pardons. Biden's post election death row commutations
Speaker 2: did not follow his self proclaimed opposition to the death penalty,
Speaker 2: and he left three men on death row who commutations
Speaker 2: would have politically harmed Democrats. He did not commute the
Speaker 2: sentences of the Boston bomber, the murder of nine Black
Speaker 2: church Gohis and Charleston, and the murder of eleven worshipers
Speaker 2: at a synagogue in Pennsylvania. Biden's alleged opposition to the
Speaker 2: death penalty also did not prevent dj from filing capital
Speaker 2: murder charges against Luigi Manzioni, the guy who shot in
Speaker 2: the back of the back the healthcare professional in New
Speaker 2: York in early December. So there's a lot of hypocrisy
Speaker 2: going around. But I'm going to take and focus my
Speaker 2: fire tonight on President Trump, and as they say, I
Speaker 2: think that that for him to pardon anyone who assaulted
Speaker 2: a police officer, Capitol police officer flies in the face
Speaker 2: of what he purports to believe, and that is to
Speaker 2: back the blue. And look, there's a lot of his
Speaker 2: actions in the last in the last what sixty hours,
Speaker 2: He's only been president for what, well, yeah, about sixty
Speaker 2: hours actually when you think about it, Tuesday and Wednesday
Speaker 2: forty eight plus the twelve on Monday. And a lot
Speaker 2: of executive orders, some of which I think were long overdue,
Speaker 2: and it's dueling orders where he reversed orders of President Biden.
Speaker 2: But I just think too, he's obviously he feels I
Speaker 2: assume Trump feels guilty. Maybe as a human being, he
Speaker 2: feels guilty that he brought those people to Washington and
Speaker 2: exhorted them to march up to the Capitol. Maybe he
Speaker 2: feels guilty. But now you do not commute sentences pardon
Speaker 2: individuals who have attacked police officers. In my opinion, let's
Speaker 2: get back to the call. It's going to go to
Speaker 2: Bill and Quincy. Bill, you've been very patient. I appreciate
Speaker 2: your time waiting. You waited much longer than anyone else
Speaker 2: because you had to wait through the news. You're next
Speaker 2: one night.
Speaker 3: Sager, right, head Bill, Yeah, Dan, I'd backed the police
Speaker 3: all the way and would Trump. I'm sure they're going
Speaker 3: to review those, you know, tapes on who was salted
Speaker 3: who the police? And how about that crop that shot
Speaker 3: that Ear Force girl right in the face.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yep, I'm listening to you. I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I do what a lot of talk shows don't do.
Speaker 2: Talk shows don't do as I like to listen to
Speaker 2: my callers. If you took the time to call, well,
Speaker 2: you got a couple of things going on here. I
Speaker 2: think that was overreaction by that particular Capitol Police officer.
Speaker 2: Nothing has ever come of that, although obviously a new
Speaker 2: Justice Department could look at whenever you have a homicide
Speaker 2: and if particularly if it's characterized as a murder, if
Speaker 2: it was unnecessary, there's no statute of limitations. I don't
Speaker 2: think that Joe Biden extended a pardon to to that
Speaker 2: it was a plain close Capitol Police officer that shot Ms. Babbitt.
Speaker 3: She was an Air Force Air Force girl. She was
Speaker 3: a veteran in the Air Force.
Speaker 2: She was an Air Force veteran. Correct, he's an Air
Speaker 2: Force veteran, as were some of the Capitol Police officers
Speaker 2: who assaulted. I just I'm with you when you say
Speaker 2: we backed the Blue. I don't feel that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: did the right thing in terms of pardoning or granting
Speaker 2: clemency to the most serious of these protesters.
Speaker 3: They were going to review those tapes. I mean, he's probably.
Speaker 2: He's issued there's no review involved bill. He issued the pardons.
Speaker 2: They had four years to review the cases, and they
Speaker 2: could have said, look, this guy hit a hit three
Speaker 2: police officers with baseball bats with a baseball bat, service time,
Speaker 2: service time. This couple, they were an elderly couple from
Speaker 2: Maryland who were your supporters, and they walked through an
Speaker 2: open door and they were identified as having, you know, trespassed.
Speaker 2: Pardon them, don't pardon the guy that whacked the police
Speaker 2: officer with a baseball.
Speaker 3: I understand. And what about you know Trump asked for
Speaker 3: ten thousand troops to be there in Pelosi and the
Speaker 3: mayor of Washington wouldn't do it, So I don't think
Speaker 3: those riots were to happen.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I have not seen the actual doctor.
Speaker 2: I've seen plenty of stories written that Trump wanted this
Speaker 2: or Trump wanted that, and that Pelosi said. No, I
Speaker 2: have not seen a definitive, clear, unexpurgated presentation of that
Speaker 2: be really honest with you. Okay, I've read as much
Speaker 2: as I could.
Speaker 3: He asked for the troops, and he was.
Speaker 2: Substations, substations. Some stations say that, some stations don't say that.
Speaker 2: It's it's unclear. If I could spend an entire year
Speaker 2: and go write a book and and talk to Pelosi
Speaker 2: and and talk to Trump and ask for the documentation.
Speaker 2: See the letters, See the letters, the requests, see the denials.
Speaker 2: But it's been terribly confused. In my mind, only in
Speaker 2: my mind. I'm being honest with you. It's like if
Speaker 2: you ask me who killed President Kennedy, I'm so confused.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I have some beliefs, but I
Speaker 2: wouldn't put it forth as factual. Right, all right, Bill,
Speaker 2: thank you for the call. Appreciate it. Six one seven
Speaker 2: only line six one seven, two five four ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Ladies feel free to jump in here as well. Again,
Speaker 2: I think that this was a mistake and what I
Speaker 2: would call an unforced error by President Trump. You can agree,
Speaker 2: you can disagree. All you gotta do is call and
Speaker 2: tell me what you think. The only line six one
Speaker 2: seven two five four ten thirty just filled back after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Back we Go, We're gonna go nixt to Matt and Brighton. Matt,
Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you sir? Happy New Year?
Speaker 4: Happy near your dan. I hope you're feeling better.
Speaker 5: And uh, that's one to save you.
Speaker 4: Sorry if you lost with your friend a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago, that's I mean to stay that to you.
Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you, no worries.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna take a stand that's very similar
Speaker 4: with you. Back the Blue when I saw on jan
Speaker 4: six was in some ways horrifying because, yeah, for the
Speaker 4: people who did you know, all these people who dig out,
Speaker 4: many of whom maybe should have gotten sometime over the time.
Speaker 4: It's you know that now being five years. But for
Speaker 4: the people, the head head ones, I don't think. I
Speaker 4: don't remember his name off the top of my head.
Speaker 4: They got twenty two years. It's a Latin name, Enrique
Speaker 4: or you know.
Speaker 2: He Yeah, these are the proud boys. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: exactly who you.
Speaker 4: Know, which we're all so violent, you know the ones
Speaker 4: who were all so violent and you know hitting you know,
Speaker 4: police officers who were doing their job. And I think
Speaker 4: Donald Trump was willing to pardon anybody and everybody. I
Speaker 4: don't think he had a case a case basis what
Speaker 4: he said. I think he you know, now at least
Speaker 4: of the ones who were surely pardoned and quen records,
Speaker 4: they can now vote for him because there wouldn't be
Speaker 4: anything barring them from the criminal record from doing so.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's just so much rifts across early on.
Speaker 4: You know, I want to see more Donald, you know,
Speaker 4: President Trump. You know what we can do next, you know,
Speaker 4: not going back on the pass and you know, just
Speaker 4: do these pardons and not harp on them, not harp
Speaker 4: on the election as he said in the speech on
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty election, you know, being you know, him
Speaker 4: saying it's being rigged, go forward, or.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't. He just doesn't seem to be able
Speaker 2: to get past this, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's right. But I will say the one day
Speaker 4: he did that is unrelated to this, but just did
Speaker 4: this is dross Albright. He just pardoned him. And I
Speaker 4: don't know if you know who that is, but he
Speaker 4: was he's forty years old and he was a founder
Speaker 4: of Soak Rude, which is a black market for you know, narcotics,
Speaker 4: mostly and stuff like that. And he got two life
Speaker 4: sentences and was sent to a b X Florence, SAT.
Speaker 2: And he was pardoned by President Biden.
Speaker 4: Oh Trump, But just like a day or two ago.
Speaker 2: So what what Why did Trump pardon someone who had
Speaker 2: two life sentences and was a drug dealer.
Speaker 4: Well, because my argument would be that the pardoner was
Speaker 4: correct because it was the disproportionate the two life sentences.
Speaker 4: He was the founder of a network that operated on
Speaker 4: the dark net, on the website the users could distribute
Speaker 4: and obtain narcotics. He would not necessarily be the one
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 2: You know, Matt, I'm not familiar with the case. I
Speaker 2: have no idea what the evidence is. But by the way,
Speaker 2: just coming back to what you said earlier, the fellow
Speaker 2: who you were talking about earlier was Enrique Tario. I'm
Speaker 2: a leader of the Prome Boys, Okay. And again, these
Speaker 2: guys went to Washington with every intention of causing a riot,
Speaker 2: and they did, and there were police officers injured. Some
Speaker 2: have claimed that that police officer. There were police officers
Speaker 2: who committed suicide after this, and there was one sick
Speaker 2: nick who died a couple of days later. And it's
Speaker 2: still a question in my mind as to whether or
Speaker 2: not that was related or not. It certainly seems to
Speaker 2: me to have been related since it happened so quickly.
Speaker 2: I think he died on January eighth, But this was
Speaker 2: a serious event, and I think I think that this
Speaker 2: is a mistake that that has the president has has
Speaker 2: cost the president. He had, he had everything rolling in
Speaker 2: his direction, and it just is an absolute mistake in
Speaker 2: my part and an abusive power period. And it also
Speaker 2: undercuts his right to criticize Joe Biden for Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: Spiders, and it also undermines his right to have you know,
Speaker 4: he has a cabinet that I think he picked mildly well,
Speaker 4: you know, and now you know it's gonna be. I
Speaker 4: like Trump. I voted for him three times. I support him,
Speaker 4: but Trump's get to stay what Trump wants. Let's be realistic.
Speaker 4: No matter what anybody says, gives him advice, it's what
Speaker 4: Trump wants is what Trump's.
Speaker 2: Well, was heel in twenty in twenty seventeen to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, and maybe he will he will fall victim
Speaker 2: to that same inclination this time we'll see. Matt appreciate
Speaker 2: your call as always thank you, Minch.
Speaker 4: And the last thing I'll say is the one with
Speaker 4: the horns, the man with the horns, everything people want
Speaker 4: to say about him, that man. The worst part about
Speaker 4: it is commute him whatever, but get him some mental help.
Speaker 4: The man, the man who's just not stable, you know
Speaker 4: that kind of postman you get out it's not a
Speaker 4: stable And to say thanks.
Speaker 2: But appreciate it all right, have a great night, Good night.
Speaker 2: Kennan Waltham Ken You're next on Nightside. Welcome.
Speaker 6: Thanks Dan. Hey, this Trump feeling guilty and that's why
Speaker 6: he issued the partner. I'm just totally fascinated by your
Speaker 6: comment and you'll have me thinking about that. That's a
Speaker 6: really interesting one.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. It's just one that that struck me
Speaker 2: that maybe he feels that that if again, I have
Speaker 2: always said that the biggest mistake that Trump made was
Speaker 2: summoning the crowd to Washington for the stop to steal.
Speaker 2: What did he think was going to happen? You know?
Speaker 2: And you know he did say we're going to march
Speaker 2: up and I'm gonna be there with you, and you're
Speaker 2: going to do this peacefully. He did say that. He
Speaker 2: did say that, and over the last four years. The
Speaker 2: network has tended to leave that out of any recap,
Speaker 2: which is not fair to Trump. But I think the
Speaker 2: mistake was bringing, however, many people, whether it was one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand or two hundred thousand on January sixth, of
Speaker 2: all the days that rally while they were actually going
Speaker 2: through the ceremony of announcing the votes. It was just ceremonial,
Speaker 2: that's all. But it was the final step to say
Speaker 2: the election is over. Maybe there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of guilt in his mind, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Fascinating point. The other thing he said that has really
Speaker 6: well have me thinking as well, is how much political
Speaker 6: capital that he has and maybe has squandered quite a
Speaker 6: bit of it now with this move. And well, what
Speaker 6: do you want to do?
Speaker 2: You say, j Evince the other day? J D Vince
Speaker 2: the other day said no, violent people should the violent
Speaker 2: people should not be sav this sentence is commuted or
Speaker 2: be pardoned. Now, what's jd Van's going to say the
Speaker 2: next time that the media is next to him, Wow,
Speaker 2: I changed my mind or disagree with the president. Either way,
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of a tough pill for jd ns
Speaker 2: to swallow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so, I you know, I was thinking about if this,
Speaker 6: if it's off topic, I'll call back some other times.
Speaker 6: But it made me think about, you know, this birthright
Speaker 6: executive Order, and you know, I don't see how that'll fly,
Speaker 6: but who knows. I mean, Trump has surprised us all
Speaker 6: before it, and so there's a Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: But I have I have less hard Yeah, I have
Speaker 2: less problem with that, and I'll tell you why. I
Speaker 2: think what they're doing there is trying to set up
Speaker 2: an issue where the court will have to determine. There's
Speaker 2: a phrase in the fourteenth Amendment. If I could share
Speaker 2: it with you, i'd appreciate it. Section one of the
Speaker 2: fourteenth Amendment, which is the Birthright Clause, says, all persons
Speaker 2: born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
Speaker 2: the jurisdiction there are citizens of the United States and
Speaker 2: of the state wherein they reside. The question is what
Speaker 2: did Congress mean with the phrase and subject to the
Speaker 2: jurisdiction thereof. I think that birthright citizenship has existed in
Speaker 2: this country now for what one hundred and sixty years
Speaker 2: something like that. I think that it's unlikely to be
Speaker 2: interpreted the way that Trump would like it to be interpreted,
Speaker 2: because it's been utilized and people now it's being abused.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that? I do.
Speaker 6: What I was going to say is I thought he
Speaker 6: actually there's actually a chance he could get the Constitution changed,
Speaker 6: as difficult as that is, given as you were saying,
Speaker 6: all the political capital that he had and how it's
Speaker 6: being abused, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe not well to way.
Speaker 2: You know, as you said, you pass it in Congress
Speaker 2: and then it goes to this, you need thirty eight states.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to get thirty eight states
Speaker 2: that is well.
Speaker 6: But I think he can't because he has the ability
Speaker 6: of ticking off, you know, all the blue states. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think just despite him, they wouldn't do it. And
Speaker 6: you know what made me think about this is I
Speaker 6: was thinking, what if there wasn't Let's assume the birthright
Speaker 6: Amendment is what it's traditionally been and we all think
Speaker 6: that's what it is. I mean, what I was thinking
Speaker 6: is what if it wasn't there? If it wasn't there,
Speaker 6: would I be fighting for it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: And I don't necessarily think I would. And I think
Speaker 6: if Trump could somehow make that case without demighting the
Speaker 6: country all the time, then maybe he could actually get
Speaker 6: the constitution changed.
Speaker 2: But well, you know, it's interesting. It's interesting there are
Speaker 2: businesses now which encourage people women who were pregnant to
Speaker 2: come to America. You know, when as when they can fly.
Speaker 2: Let's assume women can fly if you know, if they're pregnancy,
Speaker 2: there's seven months. It's it's a cottage industry in California.
Speaker 2: You have people coming from parts of Asia who are
Speaker 2: coming here to have the child in America. So the
Speaker 2: child becomes a citizen automatically, and then you kind of
Speaker 2: bootstrap the parents in as citizens because the child's a citizen.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a cottage industry right now, and it's
Speaker 2: being abused. That was not what it was. That's not
Speaker 2: what was ever intended in eighteen sixty six.
Speaker 6: I mean one hundred and sixty years ago away. I mean,
Speaker 6: obviously that wasn't happening with those kind of things that
Speaker 6: you described.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and I don't know, arguably they could try
Speaker 2: to set it up. He puts it in, someone challenges it,
Speaker 2: and then it goes up to the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: That would be the way in which by by ordering
Speaker 2: the executive order, and also he said he did make
Speaker 2: we had a promise in the campaign trail, and look,
Speaker 2: if if it does go up to the US Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: we all should abide by whatever the court says. My suspicion,
Speaker 2: and I know that there are some legal theorists on
Speaker 2: the right who believe that that phrase subject to the
Speaker 2: jurisdiction there too. Again, you go back and you got
Speaker 2: to read the legislative history and what the what was
Speaker 2: done at the debate. This would become a real academic
Speaker 2: exercise with with huge practical impact, with a huge practical impact.
Speaker 6: Ironically, well, Dan, if you were president, with your eloquence,
Speaker 6: I really think you know you have a shot at
Speaker 6: convincing two thirds.
Speaker 2: Have a tough enough time. I have tough enough time.
Speaker 5: Well, I really did.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm really talking more about Trump than I am
Speaker 7: about you. When I say that night, I mean, I
Speaker 7: think you're a uniting personality. He's a dividing personality, and
Speaker 7: sometimes that really hurts what he's trying to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there's a lot of people who get
Speaker 2: really upset with me because they take a position. And
Speaker 2: one of the things I've always said is that for
Speaker 2: however long I do this program, and I'm in year eighteen.
Speaker 2: Right now, I will simply tell you what I believe,
Speaker 2: and I hope that, like you have, you'll tell me
Speaker 2: and all the callers will tell me what you guys believe.
Speaker 2: Without callers and without other opinions, I don't have a show.
Speaker 2: You understand that. And I just want to say thanks
Speaker 2: so much for being there for night signing, for calling
Speaker 2: as often as you do and calling each time.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, Dan. Just to close, I was going
Speaker 6: to say, it took me a while to get in tonight,
Speaker 6: and I'm delighted that that's the case. Usually I write,
Speaker 6: I love your show, and thanks.
Speaker 2: It's been right back yet you can't talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Have a great one. Good night. Yeah, here comes the
Speaker 2: news at the bottom of the hour. We're a couple
Speaker 2: of minutes late, and we'll be back right after this
Speaker 2: on Nightshide.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, back to the call as we go, Where
Speaker 2: are we going next? Gonna go to Rachel in Quincy,
Speaker 2: Rachel next on night Saga.
Speaker 4: Right ahead, Hi, Dan, how are you?
Speaker 8: I hope you're well.
Speaker 2: I am doing real well with Rachel. Right back at you.
Speaker 9: I think my question is is. And I don't know
Speaker 9: if it's fake news or.
Speaker 8: Was doctor Fauci.
Speaker 4: Given like.
Speaker 9: Free for all and not gonna be charged for anything
Speaker 9: he's done.
Speaker 2: Was he pardons That's.
Speaker 3: What I heard.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, President Biden issued a pardon for members of
Speaker 2: the Biden family, for doctor Fauci, for General Mark Billy. Uh. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And now the thing that's interesting is that Rand Paul,
Speaker 2: who doesn't like doctor Fauci, Senator Paul of Kentucky, could
Speaker 2: summon Fauci to testify in front of Congress. And because
Speaker 2: he says has a pardon, he loses his right to
Speaker 2: invoke the Fifth Amendment. Because when you have a pardon
Speaker 2: and you do not have a criminal exposure, you do
Speaker 2: not you lose your Fifth Amendment rights. And if he
Speaker 2: then refused to answer questions or answered questions untruthfully, he
Speaker 2: could either be held for perjury or be held in
Speaker 2: contempt of Congress. So Fauchi might not be out of
Speaker 2: the woods. Assuming assuming that you want to what do
Speaker 2: you want to do to Fauci? What do you want
Speaker 2: to do to Fauci? Rachel? Do we lose Rachel? I'm
Speaker 2: sorry we lost you. I'm still trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what you want to do to Fauci. Uh, okay, let's
Speaker 2: keep rolling. Then we'll go next to Joe in Boston. Hi, Joe,
Speaker 2: how are you tonight?
Speaker 10: Good evening that my brother happy in the year and
Speaker 10: happy everything to you and your family.
Speaker 2: Right back to you, Joe, what's going on? What do
Speaker 2: you what's your thought on the pardons for all of
Speaker 2: the j six criminal defendants? Criminals?
Speaker 10: I kind of agree with you in a way because
Speaker 10: people who assault police officers, they do not deserve pardon. Period.
Speaker 2: There was and there was a lot of people, or
Speaker 2: a substantial number of people assault the police officers. Not everyone,
Speaker 2: but a lot did.
Speaker 10: How However, for an assault on a police officer, dependenalties
Speaker 10: they are not so so high. And we know you
Speaker 10: can just about every case. You know, they overdid it
Speaker 10: in some of the cases that you know. I agree
Speaker 10: with that as well. However, where are the charges for
Speaker 10: the people on the Black Life matter that assault the
Speaker 10: pullice officers, even kill police officers and burn cities down.
Speaker 10: I didn't see any charges for those people.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Well, some were charge Again, you have to give me
Speaker 2: a specific case. I know that the President brought that
Speaker 2: up as a matter of fact in his conversations with
Speaker 2: the reporters in the last few days. It's sort of
Speaker 2: like what we would call well, let me play this
Speaker 2: for you real quickly here if I can, so you'll
Speaker 2: get what I let me. If I have here, let
Speaker 2: me go to I will replay cut number one A.
Speaker 2: Please rob cut number one A. This is the president.
Speaker 2: I also say this.
Speaker 11: You go to Portland where they did where they wrapped
Speaker 11: police officers, shot police offices, nothing happened to anybody. You
Speaker 11: go to Seattle where they took over a big chunk
Speaker 11: of the city and people died. Portland, a lot of
Speaker 11: people died a minute. And you go also take a
Speaker 11: look at Minneapolis, because I was there and I watched it.
Speaker 11: If I didn't bring in the National Guard, that city
Speaker 11: wouldn't even exist today. People were killed and nobody went
Speaker 11: to jail. So these people have already served a long
Speaker 11: period of time, and I made a decision to give
Speaker 11: a pardon. Joe Biden gave a pardon yesterday to a
Speaker 11: lot of criminals. These are criminals that he gave a
Speaker 11: pardon to. And you should be asking that question.
Speaker 2: Again. You know that's what he said, But he's right exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the same phrase I invoked earlier.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, but it is what it is.
Speaker 5: I just want them to let.
Speaker 10: The guy do his job this time. I think the
Speaker 10: best thing that happened to him was Joe Biden, because
Speaker 10: when they Joe Biden got installed as a president.
Speaker 5: He was able to have that four years off.
Speaker 10: Now he has his own people to get in there,
Speaker 10: and I actually have high hopes for us, for all
Speaker 10: of us, for America.
Speaker 2: He's got a second he's got a second chance. And
Speaker 2: the only one other president had a second chance of
Speaker 2: Grover Cleveland. And I don't even know what the issues
Speaker 2: were back then. So I think he spent a little
Speaker 2: bit of his political good will yesterday, though unnecessarily in
Speaker 2: my opinion.
Speaker 10: No, he'll be all right, he'll be all right. I
Speaker 10: just think that he's actually going to do the right
Speaker 10: thing right now for all of us, for all of America.
Speaker 10: That what we want, we want. Just get back to Robotan.
Speaker 10: I mean, I feel great. Yeah, I was wearing the
Speaker 10: last couple of days, I've been wearing my Trump hat,
Speaker 10: and I get no grace. It looks like before I
Speaker 10: even went to the airport last night to become somebody,
Speaker 10: I have a Trump hat. Everybody was good with it
Speaker 10: before that, they used to look at you like you were,
Speaker 10: you know, from another different planet, you know. I mean,
Speaker 10: I just want the best for all of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that there's a lot of people,
Speaker 2: even a lot of Democrats, who are saying, hey, let's see,
Speaker 2: let's give him a chance. But yeah, and I just
Speaker 2: think that he's got to take it. Yeah, he's gotta
Speaker 2: be smarter, that's all. You know. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're a big sports guy, and you could have a
Speaker 2: great football player, a great basketball player who just makes
Speaker 2: unforced errors, or a great tennis player, and it's like,
Speaker 2: how can you do that? I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like the quarterback, who all you gonna do is
Speaker 2: take the snap, take the knee, and run out the clock.
Speaker 2: But he decides that he wants to run for a
Speaker 2: touchdown and he fumbles and it goes six points the
Speaker 2: other way.
Speaker 10: I just think he's going to be much better this time.
Speaker 10: Thank God.
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 10: We can't recover our country then. And I mean it's just,
Speaker 10: you know, he's good for all of us. He's good
Speaker 10: for America, the thing guy that everybody because I mean,
Speaker 10: last time around, bisy Hat, all those people from Facebook, Tweeter,
Speaker 10: everybody was on his size, but they were just freaking
Speaker 10: lying and covering things up. Your legit truth come out,
Speaker 10: whatever that is, you know, And let's get along and
Speaker 10: move along and make this countree great again.
Speaker 2: Let's hope. Let's hope we can do that. And I
Speaker 2: felt I wanted Biden to succeed when he was president
Speaker 2: for all of us, and I certainly want Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Think yeah, fair enough. All right, Joe, I got a
Speaker 2: screw talk to you soon. Happy New Year to you
Speaker 2: and your family. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 10: I love you the best, to you and your family,
Speaker 10: my brother.
Speaker 2: Right back at you, Joe, Thank you much, thank you much.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break here. I got Rochelle, I got Jim,
Speaker 2: and I got Jamie, Gonna get the men. Even got
Speaker 2: some room for you. One line at six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten, thirty one line at six one seven nine,
Speaker 2: Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1: Now, back to Dan Way live from the window World,
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get everybody in here. Rochelle in Weymouth, Rochelle
Speaker 2: next on Nightsiger right, ahead.
Speaker 8: I can happy new year.
Speaker 2: Right back at you, Michelle, Hope. I'm doing fine. What's
Speaker 2: on tonight?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Great year so far. Listen. Look, I personally sorry,
Speaker 8: I have a cult. I personally find the selective outrage
Speaker 8: here that I'm hearing kind of interesting. Where Trump is
Speaker 8: apparently pardoning about fifteen hundred or so DeepC protesters for,
Speaker 8: for the most part, for essentially loitering, while a few
Speaker 8: others I presume are more violent. They're violent and and
Speaker 8: are getting some kind of a lesser sentence. I don't
Speaker 8: know all the details. I haven't, I can't really I
Speaker 8: don't really have an opinion on that yet. I just
Speaker 8: need to hear all the details on that. I think
Speaker 8: they're getting a lesser sentence. But when Biden pardons many
Speaker 8: rapists and murders, and Ashley Babbitt, a veteran and the
Speaker 8: only person who died at the riot, was murdered in
Speaker 8: cold blood by a corrupt cop, and nothing has happened
Speaker 8: to him, That's how I feel on it.
Speaker 2: Did you watch what happened? Did you watch what happened
Speaker 2: in December sixth? I'm sure you probably show it on
Speaker 2: television right.
Speaker 8: January sixth, I don't have it. I haven't had a
Speaker 8: TV since twenty eighteen, so I've seen footage here and there,
Speaker 8: but I know more and more footage has come out
Speaker 8: in the last couple of years since the Republicans took
Speaker 8: over the Congress. I think that there is evidence pointing
Speaker 8: to the fact that a lot of the people they
Speaker 8: may have been kind of entraps. They may some of
Speaker 8: the cops, not all, but some of the cops may
Speaker 8: have shot people with rubber bullets in the crowd outside
Speaker 8: with rubber bullets and with tear gas and did other
Speaker 8: things to instigate things. And you had at least twenty
Speaker 8: six you had twenty six or maybe many more federal
Speaker 8: agents there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, again, you've talked a number of points which
Speaker 2: have not been proven, but that's needed.
Speaker 8: They held the door open, they had to open the
Speaker 8: door out from the inside to hold it open for them,
Speaker 8: and they waved them in. That's on tape to Rochelle.
Speaker 2: I just think I think we look at it very differently, Rachelle.
Speaker 2: And I'm not here to debate you on this. I
Speaker 2: think that a lot of what you're saying is and
Speaker 2: you I let you let you, I let you speak
Speaker 2: for two minutes. I didn't interrupt you, and I'll just
Speaker 2: say to you that I think you and I are
Speaker 2: going to have to respectfully dis agree to disagree, because
Speaker 2: I what I saw in January sixth does not align
Speaker 2: with what you're telling me. So I'm glad you called
Speaker 2: because your point of view has been a little different
Speaker 2: than what a lot of people said tonight. Hello, I
Speaker 2: can hear I can hear you, yes, But if you're just.
Speaker 9: Going to try to continue to.
Speaker 2: Talk over me, I'm going to ask Rob to take
Speaker 2: the the audio down. I can hear you, but I
Speaker 2: don't know that you heard me, heard me. And what
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you essentially is I think we're going
Speaker 2: to have to agree to disagree. So bring them back up, Roshelle.
Speaker 8: I know this country needs a healing and we need
Speaker 8: to move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't think that really helped. With the
Speaker 2: partnering of individuals who attacked police officers, I don't.
Speaker 8: Agree with that, but I think we just drudging this
Speaker 8: up over and over again doesn't get us anywhere. It's
Speaker 8: all about, Well, it wouldn't have been brought up if theistration.
Speaker 2: If the if, the if the rioters and those who
Speaker 2: attacked police officers.
Speaker 3: That's wrong.
Speaker 8: That was wrong. But people tend to look at this
Speaker 8: and associate it much more with the divisiveness and general
Speaker 8: chaos of the last four years.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna agree to disagree with Rochelle because I
Speaker 2: got three other calls and I'm going to get to that.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you so much. Have a great night,
Speaker 2: Jim and Kansas City Gym. Gotta be quick for me,
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 12: Jim, Yeah, yeah, I'll be quick. Okay. Well, first of all, yeah,
Speaker 12: I think sid inoculation you're talking about inauguration, but seriously,
Speaker 12: he I think we're gonna trouble because you got the
Speaker 12: two most powerful guys in the world that are fighting
Speaker 12: like two little children over at toy. And the other
Speaker 12: thing is uh, I mean he hasn't deported as far
Speaker 12: as I know, they haven't arrested or deported a single
Speaker 12: uh what he calls criminal aliens. And here's here's the here's.
Speaker 2: The here's my I believe it was reported tonight that
Speaker 2: there were three hundred I think it's three hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty people I heard in one of the networks have
Speaker 2: been arrested in a series of raids around the country. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're sixty hours in, so let's see. Let's see where
Speaker 2: we are a week for now.
Speaker 12: I think, wait, wait, wait, I've got something really good. Okay,
Speaker 12: So it says if they're subject to US law, but
Speaker 12: if they're in a sanctuary city, aren't they exempt from
Speaker 12: the law. Isn't that what the idea behind the sanctuary
Speaker 12: city is?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 12: Yes, yeah, all right, okay, so we got it all right, next.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks you, bye, good night. I think he was
Speaker 2: addressing the birthright citizen Chip Jamie and Worcester Jamie got
Speaker 2: you and two more. Here go ahead, Jamie.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll be quick. I know you're talking about the
Speaker 5: January sixth riots, and yes, yeah, that was a head scratcher.
Speaker 5: I don't understand that. I don't know what his motive
Speaker 5: was there, other than the fact that he was shot
Speaker 5: at twice and went through all these court cases and
Speaker 5: it was just trying to for the last second, dig
Speaker 5: at Joe Biden. I don't know if it's a personal
Speaker 5: vendetta that's ros you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think also, look, you gotta if you've
Speaker 2: got to support police, you got to support them. The
Speaker 2: police officers were attached that day. They were assaulted, they
Speaker 2: were hit with baseball pats, with American flags, with stanchions.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was this was not a crowd that
Speaker 2: was peacefully protesting. And you know, you commit, you commit
Speaker 2: the crime, you're going to do the time. Assaulted battery
Speaker 2: officers is a crime.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but no, I just I that was my point
Speaker 5: on that. I just wanted up dropping two quick points though,
Speaker 5: on on Trump's policies and stuff. So number one is
Speaker 5: I listened to the radio on your I listened to
Speaker 5: the newscasts on w BS, your station. Yeah, and I
Speaker 5: heard that they arrested the guys that you know, stole
Speaker 5: from Joe Burrow and all the NFL players, and of
Speaker 5: course there illegal.
Speaker 2: Illegal immigrants, illegal immigrants here from.
Speaker 5: Chile, yep, right, Yeah, so they arrested those guys. And
Speaker 5: that's that was one thing. I'm like, all right, okay,
Speaker 5: so you know, it proves kind of proves some of
Speaker 5: Trump's hopefully Trump can improve on this stuff. And the
Speaker 5: other thing was I just had a I work with
Speaker 5: my store and my customer. It's just like a change
Speaker 5: of times. This is very quick. He told me he
Speaker 5: works for the City of Whisker Health Department and he goes,
Speaker 5: he was just I was just in the store where
Speaker 5: I work, and he was working today, and he's coming
Speaker 5: up to me and he goes or he's talking to
Speaker 5: me and my other coworker and he's like, you know,
Speaker 5: I now I have to go on these restaurants and
Speaker 5: he goes. All these people they are to put their
Speaker 5: heads down they think I'm there, that they take them
Speaker 5: away or something.
Speaker 2: Je Jamie. I. I enjoyed the call, but I got
Speaker 2: a couple more mont to try to sneak in here
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah I know, yeah, so I was trying to sneak
Speaker 5: that story and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you got it in. You got it in.
Speaker 2: If you call early, I can give you more time.
Speaker 2: But eventually the sand runs out in the y glass. Okay,
Speaker 2: So thank you much, all right, thank you, good night.
Speaker 2: Susan in Pennsylvania. Susan, you gotta be quick for me.
Speaker 12: Go ahead, can even Dan.
Speaker 9: I do not think that Trump should have given them
Speaker 9: a pardon. He said he was going to do each
Speaker 9: case a little lot of time, which she renegged on
Speaker 9: that you don't do sixteen hundred people one shot. And
Speaker 9: Nancy Pelosi was not in. She was not offered all
Speaker 9: those men, the military, from Biden, from Trump. She was
Speaker 9: on the telephone. I saw almost the whole video. She
Speaker 9: was asking, I think Michael Flynn's John Michael Flynn. I
Speaker 9: think he was a relative.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it wasn't fly. She was on the
Speaker 2: phone looking when once the rioter began, Yeah, she was
Speaker 2: on the phone. Absolutely. The question is whether or not
Speaker 2: President Trump. And again I'm unclear on that, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, I've read as much as I can
Speaker 2: and i'm more I'm more confused than at any time. Susan,
Speaker 2: do me a favor. Please call earlier, but I'm flat
Speaker 2: out of you that.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you again.
Speaker 2: Bye, got you, You're welcome. Okay, I got one minute.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give Joe and Lynn. Joe, you called
Speaker 2: really late. I can give you thirty seconds, no more,
Speaker 2: go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 13: Thank you very much. I have big feelings Trump pardoned
Speaker 13: the people. I think he did it because a Biden
Speaker 13: pardoned a lot of murders, and I think that's terrible.
Speaker 13: I think they should get the tapes from the January sixth.
Speaker 13: I heard they destroyed them, but who knows. We'll find out.
Speaker 13: I okay, hope get this settled.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Joe, talking to you soon. Good night, everybody.
Speaker 2: Rob Brooks, great job, Marita, great job. Thanks for a
Speaker 2: lot of those cuts. Tonight, Marita, I'm done for the night.
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