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let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome

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to the show Curtis Chiles.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Curtis, you doing really well. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. My friend,

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I'm excited to talk to you. You have a You're

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going to introduce me and introduce my audience to a

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very interesting fellow, to say the least, and his work,

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and we're going to talk about the afterlife from his perspective,

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and it's going to be an interesting conversation. So my

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first question to you, man, is what got you caught

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up in all of this stuff that you do with

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your YouTube channel and the work that you've been doing

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for a couple of years now.

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Speaker 2: Apparently we have we have more than one thousand videos

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made just looking through and explaining and delving into and

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exploring Emmanue Swedenborg's material. And that's not like if you're

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going to start a growth strategy for YouTube. It's not like, oh,

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everybody's searching Swedenborg. Nobody knows who he is.

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Speaker 1: It's not a hot topics. He's not trending.

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Speaker 2: We will just sell out and talk about Swedenborg. No,

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that's not what it is. Yeah, it was twenty ten

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when I made my first YouTube video about it, and

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that was really back before I even knew that YouTube

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had any depth.

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Speaker 1: Fut to it or future. Well.

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Speaker 2: I just thought, if you fall off your skateboard and

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your friend records it, he puts it on YouTube, or

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if like a cat jumps into a box, they'll put

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that on YouTube. But at the time, I was trying

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to figure out how can I get the word out

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about the power of Swedenborg's experiences and ideas to change

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lives because it had changed mine. And so I was

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looking up what's there on YouTube? And when I got

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there way way back in the day. It's changed a

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bit since then, but there was a very polarized conversation

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where you had It was sort of the throes of

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new atheism. It was like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett

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and Christopher Hichens, Sam Harris and a lot of their

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followers were really finding YouTube as this way to kind

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of look at what was wrong with Christian theology and

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tear it down, and then you had on the whole

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other side. Some I feel like Christian fundamentalists who were

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were saying, well, just believe, just believe, and there was

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nothing in the middle, and I felt like, oh, Swedenborg

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fits right in there. The people who are looking for

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like a more credible, rational kind of bringing together of

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the mystical in the every day but also of the

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science and the spirituality, which I know you talk about

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on your channel a lot, which I want to really

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get to because I feel like Swedenborg is the clashing

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of science and uality. I mean, he was absolutely, That's

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a news story in itself. But so I was looking

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around and I saw actually on YouTube people were having

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these these conversations about the big things in life that

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does God exist? And so I thought, okay, I'll see

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if we can we can find any way to sneak

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Swedenborg into that conversation. So, I mean, that's a short

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story of how I got on there, and the longer

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story is that I had been going through some struggles.

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I had some mental health issues. It was like eighteen nineteen,

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like everybody does at that age, I was depressed. I

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had all these negative thoughts and I was I was

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constantly worry about things I had, you know, obsessive compulsive,

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or you have to you have to feel like you

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have to. I'm not really going to tap the microphone

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because that's bad for the sound, but I would feel

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like I got to tap this thing seven times? Who

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I really did a little and I just I knew

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it was stupid, but I also was like, oh, I

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better just do it because what if something bad happens.

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time that I had heard of Swedenborg. Before my my

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parents had actually read Swedenborg, I knew that it was around,

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but it was in that time when I began to realize, oh,

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this is describing my mind and how it works. This

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is actually a really powerful like what are a lever

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that can pry me out of these these sort of

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pits that I'm in. And from then on I knew

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that it's like if if everybody was thirsty and there

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was a drought and you found like there's a there's

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actually a well over here that still works, you don't

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want to tell everyone about it. So I kind of

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feel like I'm just trying to pass along the value

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that the Swedenborg's material had for me, so that I

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do it probably for the same reason you're doing your show,

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which is we're trying to make life better and the

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world as it is, and as we understand it isn't

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I can't quite do it. So what's that missing piece? Right? Why?

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technology and everything, but people are not that happy a

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lot of the time. To me, I feel like Swedenborg

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has something to offer to that missing piece. So that's

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what I'm trying to get the word out about it

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and how it can help it.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you think that like for me, that

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was Paramahansa Yogananda like that, that was that was my

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guy who I started. That was the That was the

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rabbit hole I went down, and it was really interesting

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to see how that changed my world view and that

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just opened me up to so many different views. And

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I always say to people like, you know, there's so

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many different ways to climb the mountain, there's so many

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different paths to take, but we're all going towards the

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same top. Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what has to be you can't. You can't

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just say what I'm doing is right and everything everyone

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else is doing is nah right. They don't know anything.

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some religious traditions that sort of take that view.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, many, there's many. You're being kind many.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of a maybe it's a feature, not

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a bug, because it keeps people in your church because

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if they leave it, then you know they got hell

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or worse. But there's no way that that's true. There's

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no way that that's true. You think about the depth

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and complexity of all the human beings on planet Earth

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and the way that doesn't matter what your tradition is

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or what your rituals are or your background, there's always

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like goodness and love and then the opposite of that.

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or in the Philippines. There can be kids and either

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they're going to include someone or they're not. That's the

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And this was something that was very remarkable about Swedenborg

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in his time. I'll start to break into that conversation,

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but so Swedenborg time frame. If anyone hasn't heard of him,

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he's Emmanuel Swedenborg and he was living. He was born

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in the late sixteen hundreds, but really did a lot

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of the work that we're gonna be talking about in

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the mid seventeen hundreds. He lived in Sweden. That's why

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his name was Swedenborg. Actually it started out as Swedberry,

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but when he got ennobled it changed to Swedenborg. Trivia.

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You don't there it is, but he in his one

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of the many facets of this revelatory or mystical journey

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he went on was he came out of it saying

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that you don't have to be a Christian to go

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to heaven. He said he saw this afterlife and it

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was full of people from many different religions and actually

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more important than your religious ideology, which can actually be

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a stumbling block if it locked you into self centeredness.

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Materialism was are you, are you following God as you

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understand God? And are you living basically a Ten Commandments

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kind of style life? Not murdering, not killing?

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Speaker 1: Those general things we can all agree on.

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Speaker 2: The stuff that if you don't agree, it's like I

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don't want to sit next to you. It's not that

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other things don't matter, and it's not that they can't

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be powerful tools. It's not that there aren't particular truths

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that can be really useful. Otherwise why would I be

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so locked in on the Swedenborg thing. But the primary

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thing that makes your your life what it is is

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what ultimately like, what you love, and then how you

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try to follow what is good. So if sweden Woor

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came out saying, oh, no, you don't have to be

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a Christian to go to heaven, and at the time

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got put on trial for many reasons. That was only

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one of the shocking things that he said. But absolutely,

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you can't you can't believe that if there's a if

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there's a divine force behind it all, that only one

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little sliver of life matters, one little group of people

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where one beliefs and everything else is nothing. What what?

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Why would why would you provide such limited access to

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the tools necessary to live a happy life?

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Speaker 1: Right? And it's just even when I was growing up

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as a Catholic, I was just like, so if you

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were never if you were born in the congo somewhere,

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never heard of Jesus, never heard of Christianity, and all

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of a sudden that person goes to hell because he

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never has contact with it. It always yes, always kind

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of free, like even as a kid of like man,

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that's pretty rough, like it's just basically pot luck, Oh

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Speaker 2: And you can just if you're sitting here halfway around

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the world, you can just like, oh, yeah, maybe it is.

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that little kid who was born in the congo and

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you saw them and they're playing with their little friends

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and having their little life, there's no way, there is

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no way that if there's a god that is responsible

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for their existence and mind, that God is just going

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to dismiss, well, who cares what happened to you? And

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this is that's actually an example that that Swedenborg used

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as well to highlight that it's it's a ridiculous and

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cruel idea to believe that, and he said it's a

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symptom of what he said was the main problem or

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malady that can afflict religions, which is what he called

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faith alone.

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and now back to the show, which.

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Speaker 2: Is where you have doctrinal ideas, but there's no love

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that drives them, that they're not in the service of love.

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So you can have very different doctrinal ideas than me.

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If your ideals are in the service of love, and

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love has to be loved for the entire human race.

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It can't just be for you or your family or

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your particular group you're in. If you're if you're using

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your doctrinal ideals to try to move you toward a

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life that serves the human race, then basically we're of

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the same religion if you want to call it that,

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or the same spiritual path because our intent is the same,

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which is also the divine intent, which is to make

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it so that every bring as much happiness to everyone

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as possible.

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's just different flavors. It's just it's just

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completely different flavors and different spices to the dish.

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Speaker 2: If you want to get into some afterlife stuff, I know,

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we're just yes.

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Speaker 3: That's the first thing I want to get this is

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this is this is a great segue into that where

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you're talking about different flavors because Swedenborg described the different

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kinds of religions that people have not to as it's okay,

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we can make it work, but it's necessary and good

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that there are all.

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Speaker 2: These different religious traditions. Because each of those traditions you

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just think about Islam, Hinduism, Confucianism, the different kinds of

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people that those traditions mold, they end up being different

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kinds of people. And Swedenborg says, in the afterlife, you

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need all different kinds of people because the afterlife works together.

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other side, the other side, is it works the same

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way that the human body works. Okay, so if you

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a total model and picture of intimate cooperation. Your heart,

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way down to the cellular level, every cell gets everything

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it needs from the body and gives everything it can

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back to the body and both thrive from that. And

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it is total. So it's total unity, but it's a

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unity of incredibly different parts. Think about the difference between

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your frontal cortex and your toenail. You couldn't even tell

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those came from the same thing, but they both need

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to be there. And so we all become different kinds

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of people through our different paths of life on earth,

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like the eyes, Like if you're really into learning and

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understanding things, maybe you're kind of like fulfilling the function

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of sight so you can serve the grander human race

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in that way. Somebody else might be more like the hants.

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They're more like a practical doer sort of person. But overall,

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you need to have all these different kinds of people

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manifestation of the human form, which sweden Work calls heaven,

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which is when everyone's working together, just like all the

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Speaker 1: That's so beautifully and elegantly put it really is.

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do YouTube video because the ideas they're very cool in there.

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But Swedenborg is like, what, he has a weird sounding name,

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he came from a long time ago. He's like, it's dense,

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it's philosophical. But I know that there's really cool things

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in there that are helpful, so we're trying to take

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the time to like open it up and add it

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to people's repertoire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because these are and it's similar to some of

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the old yoga texts. I mean, you start going into

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mean just I mean thousands and thousands of scrolls and

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really dense, but there's gold in those pieces. So trying

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to grab little pieces here and there and trying to

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rework it for a modern conversation is very important. Is

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what I do in my show. It's what you do

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in your show. That's why I wanted to have you

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on because I think these you know that one little

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bit makes so much sense the human body, and it's

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all about cooperation, and it's all about love. And you've

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spoken to near death experiences. I've spoken to a ton

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of near death experiences. The threat, as there are many

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with these stories, is love. That there is love, unconditional, crazy,

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some some unspeakable kind of love, like it's almost a

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currency up there or there next to the other side,

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wherever it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it wasn't that, if it wasn't love,

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I don't think you and I would be doing what

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Speaker 1: I agreed.

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like trying to move in a spiritual direction and educate

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people to try to move in that way. If it's

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not leading us towards something where there's more love, where

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and that love leads to life being better, then what's

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the point that Then I don't care about spirituality. Then

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if it's just because think it has to be moving

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us towards I think about just the different kinds of

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pain I've suffered in my life and the pain I've

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seen other people go through. Unless we're working on fixing that,

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I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. Things can change

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a ton, but not necessarily get better. It's not just

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if we do any if we're all spiritual, but it

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doesn't mean things are gonna get better. I think about

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this amazing technology is coming. And now anyone in the

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world you can see what they're doing and you can

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click like it. And now I've got a seven year

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old daughter and everybody's like, how do we keep kids

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away from social media? Because it's enjoying their mental health.

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So it's like, okay, things. It would have sounded really cool.

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You can connect with anyone anywhere, but unless there's love

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in the social media. Unless there's there's love driving it,

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it doesn't didn't necessarily make anything better.

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Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me, les it's not all

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about likes and bigger cars and more bling.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, please subscribe to my channel if you're watching, by

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the way, I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's not about I mean it's yeah, I would agree

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with you because if it was a if any of

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the things that I would talk about or had people

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on the show talking about, would be talking about more materialism.

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I've never heard somebody say happiness is outside of you,

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like and when you hear that, run the opposite direction.

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outside of you, that we are the ones who can

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help you guide you through to the afterlife. All of

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that or materialism or money or you know, the flesh

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or food or whatever it is. I if I hear that,

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it sings, it just rings, puts flags up so high.

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It's all but every major spiritual teacher that I've ever

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heard of, including all the top guys from Jesus the Buddha,

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that all of them say the same thing, that the

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power is within you and you have to go within

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that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you, and so

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on and so forth, and that's what meditation is, and

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that's what you start going in deeper and deeper and

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you start to realize that the happiness is truly You

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could have a billion dollars, it doesn't matter. Man, if

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you're not that hole inside, you can only be filled

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by something inside. You're not from something exterior. Would you agree?

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Speaker 2: I think you could probably find billionaires that are unhappy

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and people with it with meager means that are happy.

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So the key must be somewhere else. I don't think.

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I think it would be unrealistic to say money makes

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no difference, Likes making the difference, because they sure can.

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But it's about what's your priority that you're saying. If

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somebody says that the thing, the most important thing, that

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thing that is is God or that we're looking toward

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is money, or it's likes or it's any other measure

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of external stuff, then you got those alarm bells going off.

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But for example, it's good that your channel has as

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many subscribers as it does because it can provide a use.

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It allows a megaphone for these conversations to happen. That

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hopefully make people's lives better. And I know, just knowing

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the YouTube channels that I watch, it's such a cool

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feeling when you've had a hard day and your favorite

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creator has got a new video. You know you can

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just sit there and you're in your happy place and

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watch it and learn something and kind of return to

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that sphere. I've had people say with our stuff, they'll

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put it on when they're going to sleep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, mean too, Okay.

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Speaker 2: It sort of at first sounds like, hey man, you're

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going to sleep with but I only do that. You

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can only do something like that with something that you

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trust and you feel safe and you know that that

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the love is gonna is going to be guiding it. There.

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So absolutely that there can be a drive to but

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it can't be to materialism in an end, and it

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can't be to eminence in an end. Those things have

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to serve usefulness, which is making a difference. That was

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a bit things Swedenborg was really big about. Is it's

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not like you can't say I want to bring my

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podcast to the next level, or I want to take

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my business to the next level, I want to earn more,

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but why why are you doing that? And if it

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is because I want to be able to better serve

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the human race, then then that that's suddenly spiritual.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

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and now back to the show, right absolutely, And that's

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the thing. A lot of people think that you have

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to be, you know, penniless and meditate for thirty years

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in a Himalayan cave to be spiritual, which I think

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the way you just stated it, and I am in

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a complete agreement with you. The more money you have,

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the more resources you have. But it's at the end

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of the day, what is that for? Because at a

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certain point, man, you know, you and I have both

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been around the block a couple of times. I'm a

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bit older than you, but generally speaking you you know,

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you're a parent, so you already definitely got some some shrapnel,

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if you will, of life. And at a certain point,

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the house could only get so much bigger, the car

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could only get really so much fancier, really the close.

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At a certain point, you're good, like your basic needs

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are covered. And when you that's why I see these

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people like I need ten billion, I need twenty Why, Like,

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what is the purpose of it? But if you're using

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those resources that are being funneled through you. And I

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do truly believe that it's a responsibility that you have

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a lot of followers, if you have a lot, if

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you have a large audience, if you have a lot

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of money coming through you, how you funnel it and

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are responsible for it to better humanity, to serve others.

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That is the most important. Not to build a bigger

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castle for yourself. You know, at a certain point the

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castle is going to be big enough, like you don't

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need anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it's just like, ah, you know, I built

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this new wing, but now I want another wing on

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my castle because it.

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Speaker 1: Just keeps it just keeps going and going and going.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It's an endless, endless uhit that you fall into.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love what you said about Oh sorry, sorry ahead,

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No got ud. I'm just saying I liked what you

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said about it's a responsibility because if if everybody who

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is going to try to follow a spiritual path goes

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off and they're in a cave meditating and they don't

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have any money, then who's going to define the culture

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and who's going to shape the conversations? There has to

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be people if anyone's watching and you feel like I

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shouldn't try to affect the world. You've got to go

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impact the world, but doing it seeing it as a responsibility.

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The way Swedenborg describes it is the negative way. The

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ego way is to say, well, this position i'm in

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of whatever exists to serve me. So if you think

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if you're a politician and you think I want to

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become the governor, so that I'm the governor and I

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live in the governor's mansion and everyone invites me to

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these parties and that's very cool, and I can, you know,

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call up my friends in high school and say, look

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how much better I am than you, Or you can say, well,

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the governor's office. That is a great responsibility and the

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real honor here goes to the office. So I better

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not screw this up because there's a lot of good

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that can be done. Then I feel like that's that's

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a great, that's a great this side of ambition that

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that really works for the human race.

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Speaker 1: I forgot who said this, but I think it was someone.

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I think it was a yogiar or this is a

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while ago. They said that the Yogis had to get

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out of the caves and go into the boardrooms and

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start running these companies in a spiritual way because they

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wield so much power in the world that if you

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had a spiritual and you can see it with companies now.

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In the eighties you never saw that, but you started

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to see it in the nineties, in the early two thousands,

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and currently that there are companies who are becoming like, well,

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how can we help Yes, we need the bottom line,

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but how can we help humanity? And it's so important

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that you just don't sit alone and it's just you

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alone doing it. Spiritual path and the spiritual growth is

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a solitary thing in many ways. It can be a

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group thing, but at the end of the day, we

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leave the planet the same way we came into it

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alone and naked. But you could do it, you could

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help others do it around you, but it is something

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that you really need to kind of go out and

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into the world and help shape reality, help shape people's ideas.

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That's why we do what we do every day.

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Speaker 2: Totally. I love it. Yeah, we can. People can give

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tools and I've got I've been on the receiving end

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of so many cool tools. But in the end, the

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change happens one person at a time. So any organ

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religious organization, or anything that's telling you your spirituality depends

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on us, that's not true. The only real spiritual force

478
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,519
is us looking inside and saying what do I should

479
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,880
not want to act on? That wells up inside me?

480
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359
What do I want to act on? If I get

481
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,200
the impulse to steal that person's cookie, I wouldn't want

482
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,480
that to happen to me. So I'm actually not going

483
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,000
to do it, even though I want to. If I

484
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,160
get the impulse to go and help that person, I'm

485
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,559
gonna act on it because I know I would want

486
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,200
that on a basic level. That that's the force that

487
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,319
changes the world. But it just takes buy in from

488
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,279
a large group of people.

489
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm without questions. So there was Let's get into

490
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,559
a little bit into the afterlife because this is something

491
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,119
that my audience loves to talk about, and I think

492
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,319
it's a conversation that almost everybody at what point or

493
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:13,240
another is going to have in their life, like, Hey,

494
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,319
what's on that other side? What's when this runs out?

495
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,079
What happens? So I know Swedenberg has a real clear

496
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:25,400
idea of what happens immediately after My question is what

497
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,160
is it and how did he come upon this information.

498
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, as I said before, anybody's interested in

499
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:37,720
out of body or near death experiences, spiritual experiences in general,

500
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,680
and particularly the way that those and the scientific world intersect,

501
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:46,599
absolutely should know about Swedenborg. Because Swedenborg was up until

502
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:53,440
his mid fifties just a successful renaissance man polymath guy.

503
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,000
So he was in Sweden, which was a world power

504
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,240
at the time, and he was doing everything. So he

505
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,440
was a the assessor of minds, which was Sweden's mining

506
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,680
industry was one of the most important industries on the planet.

507
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:06,599
He was in this position where he's overseeing a lot

508
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,680
of the mining there. He was an inventor. He had

509
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,200
invented military equipment for the Swedish military as well as

510
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,279
mining equipment, all kinds of things there. But he's also

511
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,400
a very well respected scientist, had written these huge principias

512
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,400
on anatomy, founded the scientific branch of crystallography, first person

513
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,240
to suggest the nebular hypothesis, first scientific journal in Sweden

514
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:35,319
he started that went to he was part of the

515
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,119
Swedish government House of Nobility, so on and so on

516
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,920
and so on. Very smart guy and very well known

517
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,200
to the point, where as I understand it, if he

518
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,000
would show up in London, Let's say the newspaper would

519
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,799
say Swedenborg came to London. I don't know who his

520
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:53,720
equivalent would be today. I feel like the Kardashians. He's

521
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:58,039
the Kardashians back then. If you think about what would

522
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:00,920
happen today if Kim had out of body experiences, well,

523
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,359
I think it might be like a Neil de grass Tyson.

524
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,839
Although back in the day individuals could do so much

525
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,480
more scientifically because science was a lot less complex than

526
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,880
so he was. He was a huge deal, very well known.

527
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,200
Think if Neil de grass Tyson tomorrow set got on

528
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,880
Twitter and said, I've been having spiritual experiences and I

529
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,599
now have the ability to have them at will. I'm

530
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:27,279
going to spend the rest of my career cataloging and

531
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:32,200
explaining how the afterlife works. That's what Swedenborg was. So

532
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,000
he the entire thing is documented from the time when

533
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,480
he was in his mid fifties to the end of

534
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,880
his life in his eighties. He in his mid fifties

535
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,680
was keeping this travel journal just because he's saying, I'm

536
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,720
going from London to Amsterdam or something, and it was

537
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:48,960
just keeping track of that. Back in the day, it

538
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,319
was dangerous to do that. You could your boat could sink.

539
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,720
There was actually pirates. There's a lot going on, so

540
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,839
you want to keep track of your travels when where

541
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,240
you're headed. But in that he starts to record his

542
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:03,559
dreams and he starts to analyze his dreams, which is

543
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:08,480
back before dream analysis was a thing. Actually nowadays psychology

544
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
has been very influenced by Swedenborg. Carl Jung read a

545
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,200
lot of Swedenborg. William James a lot of psychology and

546
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,960
particularly sort of mystical psychology has been influenced by him.

547
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,200
But he started to write down his dreams and they

548
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,559
got vivider and more strange, and eventually he started to

549
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,000
have experiences that were outside of that dream box, Like

550
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,519
just in the hypnagogic state when he's waking up, he

551
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,039
would see something or talk to someone, and he writes

552
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:33,440
every one of them down and writes down when he

553
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,359
thinks the interpretation is. And then at some point he

554
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,000
has a couple of really powerful experiences and visions which

555
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,160
really changed the trajectory of his life. And something seems

556
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,200
to have like snapped open, because from then on out,

557
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:48,359
for the last three decades of his life, he was

558
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,200
having these experiences at will every day and catalog the

559
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:55,079
entire thing. So it's between then and the end of

560
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,440
his life. He wrote thirty volumes worth of material that

561
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,559
he's accustomed to writing big, long scientific works, so his

562
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,880
afterlife stuff reads just like that. It's very organized, it's

563
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,279
very it's both descriptive, like he will tell stories, but

564
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,799
he's also very philosophical and will tell you it's like

565
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:15,559
a physics lesson on how the after life works and

566
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,039
why people see what they do when they go where

567
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,400
they do. So he published, Yeah, not only like thirty

568
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,680
volumes that he published, but he also kept a journal

569
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,400
of all his spiritual experiences. You get so much raw

570
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,880
data and then insights from that that I feel like

571
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:34,440
anybody who's looking to have a complete picture of the

572
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,640
after life to you know, stitch together what's in between

573
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,200
near death experiences, those sorts of things. Sweden Morgue is

574
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,400
definitely worth checking out. He did talk about, and again

575
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,759
this is a couple hundred years before Raymond Moody coined

576
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,039
the term near death experience in Life after Life, which,

577
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,279
by the way, there was a whole section about Swedenborg

578
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,880
in that book Life after Life is yeah, which is cool.

579
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,519
So right in the beginning, because Raymond Moody was looking

580
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,119
to find we've got this more phenomenon of people having

581
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,559
these experiences. This has got to have happened in history.

582
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,519
Where did this pop up? And there was a couple

583
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,240
of chats. He had a comparison to the Bible, to

584
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,480
the Tibetan Book of the Dead, one other one that

585
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,039
I can't remember, but also Swedenborg because there's so much

586
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,799
similarity to the world near death experiences to described.

587
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

588
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:26,799
and now back to the show.

589
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,759
Speaker 2: So the life after death process, actually our channel is

590
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,680
called off the Left Eye, and that was me starting

591
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,599
out my journey on YouTube, thinking how is anyone going

592
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,000
to be interested in this stuff at all? I just

593
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,440
flipped open one of Swedenborg's books and I looked for

594
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,319
a cool phrase. They didn't have any religious baggage attached

595
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,160
to it, and it said off the left eye. This

596
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,000
is from the story of him waking up being shown

597
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:52,599
what it's like to wake up in the afterlife. He

598
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,920
wasn't his body wasn't in physical danger like you have

599
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,599
with a lot of near death experiences, but he says

600
00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:59,160
that he has shown it, but kept in a state

601
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,599
of consciousness enough that he could recall it and write

602
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:03,680
it afterwards. And he said that at first he could

603
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,200
feel his body kind of shutting down and his breathing

604
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,200
slowed a lot, but his spirit, he could feel his

605
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,559
spirit breathing and that started to rise. And then he

606
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,519
said it felt like there was a pull, and his

607
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,680
spirit left his body and then went through this series

608
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of awakening steps in the spiritual world. According to Swedenborg,

609
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all of us are in the spiritual world right now.

610
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You have a body, and then you have consciousness, and

611
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,880
your consciousness is your spirit, so that part of you

612
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,759
exists in the spiritual dimension, or he called it the

613
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,039
spiritual world. So that's the terminology I like to lease

614
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,680
the spiritual side of life. You're already there in terms

615
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,519
of the spiritual part of you. And he said that

616
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,119
your spirit has all the features that your body has,

617
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,359
so you have spirit. Your spirit has eyes just like

618
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,759
your body has eyes. So to him, initially he was

619
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,079
surrounded by what he calls angels, but I know in

620
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,079
Christianity that word sometimes means these specially created beings that

621
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,319
only live in the afterlife. But to him, angels that

622
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,720
just means people who had been living here and who

623
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640
have died and crossed over to the other side, so

624
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,160
that's an angel. He's surrounded by these really loving angels.

625
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,279
He called them celestial angels, which those are people who

626
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:25,799
are particularly devoted to love. And they made sure that

627
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,759
when he was experiencing this transition that no disturbing thoughts

628
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,759
or feelings came into his mind. They were kind of

629
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:36,480
shepherding him, protecting him and just sitting with him there

630
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,200
until he was starting to stir in the spirit. And

631
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,319
then from there new kinds of angels came up to

632
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,279
him because his mind was starting to stir, and so

633
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,559
there's angels that are more mind focused, and so those

634
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,400
said he said, it seemed like they pulled the covering

635
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,759
off of my left eye, and that's when I received

636
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,240
the gift of spiritual sight. Because everything is symbolic. There's

637
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,920
so much symbolism in the afterlife. I think that's part

638
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,319
of why I know you. You started and are still

639
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:05,799
in film and in movies so much. There's like, here's

640
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,200
the scene where the hero finally grabs the sword, and

641
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,039
it's like there's just it's meaningful beyond this. Oh now

642
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:13,680
he has a sword. It's just like there's a meaning

643
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,519
in this moment. Swee Moore would call that a correspondence

644
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,960
because to him, a sword is a symbol of the

645
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,160
truth and the power of the truth. So when we

646
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,599
see somebody, when you know King Arthur or I've just

647
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,400
been rereading Lord of the Rings, so I'm thinking about

648
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,480
that a lot. Oh yeah, like Eric Gorn has got

649
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,359
that sword, and why does it matter so much? Because

650
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,119
this is a symbol of the kind of power that

651
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,440
the truth can have in your life. So the spiritual

652
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,720
world is full of that symbolism that we actually get

653
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,079
our appreciation for it by our sort of that the

654
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,920
spiritual world seeping in. So they pulled the covering off

655
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,519
of his left eye, and then from there it's kind

656
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,880
of shooes your own adventure. So you get angels are

657
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,960
there and they'll show you anything you want and do anything.

658
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160
But you get to follow your heart then and you

659
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,799
kind of gravitate toward people who love the same kinds

660
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:04,079
of things that you do. So love on the other

661
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,119
side plays a role similar to what gravity plays here.

662
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,840
The gravity. Yeah, so that's a correspondence as well. So

663
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,599
in the physical world. Why am I in this chair?

664
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,599
It's because of gravity. Why is the earth around? It's

665
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,880
because of gravity. I'm not a physicist, but I think

666
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,159
that's the basics of how it is. So gravity is

667
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,880
what holds you to where you are there. Love does

668
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,159
the same kind of thing, So people who love and

669
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,800
care about the same sorts of things will gravitate toward

670
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,159
each other, and this forms spiritual communities. It's the reason

671
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,039
why you end up with sort of your your soulmates

672
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:50,079
or your people or something. Because love there is absolutely

673
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,559
a primary force that shapes everything, because the whole afterlife

674
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,400
is spirit based rather than physical based, and spirit is

675
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,320
love and thoughts to the things we expect. It's in

676
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,280
our consciousness. So it's like both similar to the world

677
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,880
we have here, but yet fundamentally different in the way

678
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,679
that it's organized and what it does. So after you

679
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,599
wake up, you then are free to go. Freedom is

680
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,480
a hugely important thing. You're free to go and pursue

681
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,000
what kind of things do I want to love and

682
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:17,639
what and what kind of people do I want to

683
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:19,360
hang out with? And then from there there's as many

684
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,199
different you know, afterlife situations as there are different people

685
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,159
because everyone is unique, right.

686
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,559
Speaker 1: Everything's custom made for you, kind of like in your

687
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,440
death experience. Every in your death experience I've heard is

688
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,880
custom made, even though there are elements that are similar.

689
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the spiritual world because it's spirit based. So

690
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,280
because it's consciousness based, even your surroundings are a reflection

691
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,840
of what's inside you. So the kind of house that

692
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,960
you have. You know how people will have dreams and

693
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,199
in dreams they'll be in this house and you'll be like, well,

694
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,920
this was my house, but it wasn't really my house.

695
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,360
It didn't look like my house. And almost from what

696
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,719
I can find in almost every school of dream interpretation,

697
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,119
a house is a symbol of the mind. And I

698
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,800
know if I have dreams where oh, like the attic

699
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,599
is getting expanded, it just feels like, Okay, I'm learning

700
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:16,719
something new, I'm thinking of something. So there the things

701
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,559
that are in you, So the kind of things that

702
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,519
you love and the things that you think about. That

703
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,920
creates the environment, so that the home that you're in

704
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:25,800
is a reflection of your mind and heart. It would

705
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,079
be particularly who you are, that even the landscape and

706
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:33,760
like the flora and fauna there and will react and

707
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,760
match a certain community, so the people that are living there.

708
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,400
And this is a lot like in movies as well,

709
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,400
because if you go into Let's keep on, Lord of

710
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,280
the Rings, if you go into Mordor, there's not like

711
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,800
bunny rabbits living there and butterflies, because it doesn't fit right.

712
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,599
So we just know it would ruin the mood, but

713
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:55,440
spiritually it would be because the gentle, kinder animals correspond

714
00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:00,599
to loving kind affections and scarier, more brain of animals

715
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,239
correspond to harmful ones. So you actually see in the

716
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,880
spiritual world this kind of cinematic life playing out. Okay,

717
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,400
there's a few things I could go on forever, but

718
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:09,800
I won't.

719
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: All right, all right, So is this more of his

720
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,519
adventures in the afterlife or does he have an actual

721
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,480
layout of what happens after someone dies.

722
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,599
Speaker 2: Yes, so when you die, you start out in what

723
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,400
he calls the world of spirits, which he talks about heaven,

724
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,119
the world of spirits and Hell. Heaven and Hell are

725
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,960
psychological states. This is another way in which he wildly

726
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:44,320
diverges from the traditional Christian understanding, yet still uses similar terminology.

727
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:50,280
Heaven is fundamentally a state in which you enjoy doing

728
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,159
what is good to other people. Heaven is the joy

729
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,639
of doing what is good to other people. Hell is

730
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:58,599
the joy of harming other people. And that might sound

731
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:00,559
strange because we don't really think of it like that,

732
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,000
But really, why why do people like why do you

733
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:05,039
flick that guy off in traffic? Why do you try

734
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:06,719
to get the last word? And why do you try

735
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,519
to rule? Why do people conquer each other and try

736
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,079
to rule? Because there's this Hey, I like to be

737
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:14,440
on top of ego. Ego, so the joy of ego, right,

738
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,159
So the world of spirits. Here here in this world

739
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,960
you don't know. You don't know if a person is

740
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,559
wrapped up in the pleasure of help and service or

741
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:26,039
the pleasure of ego. This is why you have to

742
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:27,519
lock your door because you don't know who's going to

743
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,639
come down the street, what they're going to if they're

744
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:30,840
going to think it's all right to steal from you

745
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,239
or not. So here it's all you don't know. But

746
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,960
in the spiritual world afterlife, things get sorted out. So

747
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,599
the world of spirits, he says, it's this midway between

748
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:47,440
heaven and hell where you have a chance to really

749
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,400
get down to the core of what what you want

750
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,800
to do and what you want to love, and then

751
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,760
you go and you kind of commit to one or

752
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,760
the other. Am I going to be committed to ego

753
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,000
or am I going to be committed to love? Because

754
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,199
us those two things need to be separate, because if

755
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,239
you're committed to ego but still have some good love

756
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,360
and you and stuff, that's actually going to be painful

757
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,519
for you and the other people you're interfacing with. And

758
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:12,840
then if you're committed to what's good but bring ego along,

759
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,559
that's going to be painful. So you have this chance,

760
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,519
and everyone takes a different amount of time there. Some

761
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,119
people just know right away, like, no, I'm going to heaven,

762
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,840
that's what I want to do. Some people they have

763
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,360
to sort out and find out who they are. But

764
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,599
nobody gets forced to go anywhere.

765
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: You go.

766
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,199
Speaker 2: Your own love leads you to go where you want

767
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,920
to go. So you get you get into the world

768
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,519
of spirits. You spend your time figuring out who you

769
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,079
really want to be, basically unpacking and uncovering who you've

770
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,079
become throughout this life on Earth based on what you

771
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,159
loved and what you believe in how you acted on that.

772
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,199
And then you go and you find your community is

773
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,360
where are the people who are most living the same

774
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,840
kind of life that I am, And not just live

775
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,360
like we all like to, you know, play golf, but

776
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,440
who who loves the same kind of thing that you love,

777
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,280
and who who has the same kind of belief about

778
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,199
life that you do, and those people, like I said,

779
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:13,159
that gravitating force of love pulls you in to this community,

780
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,119
and that's where you really get to begin your eternal life,

781
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,320
or your meaning your timeless life. In the spiritual world,

782
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,280
there's not time and space the same way that there

783
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,639
are here. It sort of seems like it, but it's

784
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,920
really more about your psychological state. So if you're excited

785
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,719
about something, if you're eager about something, it will seem

786
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,440
to go faster. But so you get into these communities

787
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,239
and then you start to play your part in the

788
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,920
bigger I talked about the human body. It's like each

789
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,119
little cell is like one of those communities that starts

790
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,599
to do what you do. And to Swedenborg, the thing

791
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,679
that makes human life interesting as well as the afterlife is.

792
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

793
00:40:58,519 --> 00:40:59,840
and now back to the show.

794
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,079
Speaker 2: The joy of doing something good for the human race

795
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,679
so it's we were talking about. You can't just go

796
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,519
live in a cave and meditate, get bored of that.

797
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:12,800
And you can't just have money. You can't just sit

798
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,480
there and have a ton of money. You get bored

799
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,760
of that. The only thing that's like evergreen in terms

800
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,400
of the joy it gives is the joy of doing

801
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,480
something meaningful and useful. It's like again if yeah.

802
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,519
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well let me ask you this though, because

803
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:28,719
there's a bunch of stuff I want to unpack there.

804
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,159
So when you're in the afterlife and you're finding your

805
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,559
soul family, if you will, that's a term that's used

806
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,760
a lot, the sole family of souls that you spirits

807
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,519
or souls that you live with or not live with,

808
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:46,639
but are like connected to. Yeah, what does Swedenberg talk

809
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,239
say about the concept of incarnation and multiple lifetimes? You know,

810
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:54,800
because that's the one thing that always caught me too

811
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,639
in Christianity. I was like, so, if I was born

812
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,519
a dude in you know, of a certain color, in

813
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,599
a certain country, I would have either power or I

814
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,119
would not have power, or I would have this experience

815
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,039
or not that experience. If I was born a woman here,

816
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,360
I was like, didn't make a whole lot of sense

817
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,000
to me that you only had the one shot. This

818
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,480
is just my personal opinion. And then when idea if

819
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:18,519
reincarnation came in, I was like, that makes sense to me.

820
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:26,039
Speaker 2: What did he say, Yeah, well, I think that I

821
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,119
like the idea of something that makes sense. So if

822
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,639
you're saying, hey, this opens it up, so I don't

823
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,079
want to argue against that. I will give you a

824
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:38,639
possible alternative to reincarnation. That's that's Swedenborg because back in

825
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:43,000
his day, I don't think that reincarnation was a thing.

826
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,320
It wasn't in Europe, in Western Europe. I don't think

827
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,280
you had the idea of that. But he does kind

828
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,159
of offer a a sort of solution to the idea

829
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,920
of why do so many people experience past lives sort

830
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,679
of unprompted because to him, Okay, so spiritual world has

831
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,880
a lot of characteristics to it, and one of them

832
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,760
is lack of time and space. One of them is

833
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,559
the gravitation of love. But in the other one is

834
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,320
the fluidity of mind. So there's a much more effortless

835
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,519
transfer of information and feeling. There here we can talk,

836
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,280
you and I can talk, and it can go into

837
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,079
this microphone and go all the way through the servers

838
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,079
and get there and people can listen and then try

839
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:29,119
to picture what it is I'm talking about. But there

840
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,360
there's a lot of people in your those experiences will

841
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,239
say I can just tell what he was thinking. I

842
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,079
got a download. There's like instant. It's an instant, it's instant,

843
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:39,280
it's permeable. Even Sweetwork says that actually, if you go

844
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,719
into a community in the afterlife, you start to think

845
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,280
sort of like they do. You're influenced by there. He

846
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,920
talks about auras like the sort of emanation of your

847
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:51,719
life and mind going out from everyone, so you're able

848
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,239
to do that, and you're also able to share feelings.

849
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,639
He talks about people who are feeling a certain kind

850
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,079
of joy able to just really tangibly and directly pass

851
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,960
it to somebody else and say, hey, check this out.

852
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Here's some joy that you can have. So there, and

853
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,760
not only that, that we actually, while we're on the

854
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:18,760
earth are constantly surrounded by spirits because we actually couldn't

855
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,760
have consciousness. That the link of consciousness goes from the

856
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,360
divine through the spiritual world ends up in the physical world.

857
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,000
So we're constantly surrounded by spirits. Actually, our spirit even

858
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,800
now is traveling from community to community based on the

859
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,639
way we change in our life. It's just a nice

860
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,199
long way to get to the answer I want to

861
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:38,199
give you. But I feel like I got to have

862
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,400
this background here when with the reason why little kids

863
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,440
are like they are, Why are they so spontaneous and

864
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,559
open and joyful and free. It's a distinctly different phase

865
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:49,599
from what I remember of it than what we have now.

866
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Is because when you're little, your spirit is around those

867
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:58,039
celestial angels or the deepest angels that sweden talks about.

868
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,760
As you grow up, your spirit it changes and it

869
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,679
starts to go around more spiritual or intellect oriented angels.

870
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,440
And you have to have that if you're going to

871
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,320
be able to build a mind and grow. But the

872
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,920
point is that your spiritual company changes what you experience,

873
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,960
and there's enough permeability, so much so that Swedenborg just

874
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,199
just offhand in his book Heaven and Hell says that

875
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:23,199
usually when your mind interacts with spirits, you do so

876
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,719
out of your own memory, so that they don't bring

877
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,199
in what they've experienced from their life into the interaction.

878
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,400
They actually take on some of your memory and from

879
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,280
there influence you in certain ways, hopefully to do what's good.

880
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,639
Sometimes though, there there's some the equivalent of a leak

881
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,599
or something where you can actually experience someone else's memories

882
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,639
as your own. So it would be yeah, so it

883
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:55,480
would be like my wife's friend one time was describing

884
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,599
to my wife and her friends, remember when we did

885
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,760
this thing. Remember when you were over there and we

886
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,119
went to this, and we went to that, and they

887
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,039
were all trying to remember what she was talking about.

888
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,599
And finally they were like, oh, no, that was an

889
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:13,480
episode of friends that you're talking about that didn't happen

890
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,519
like you think it happened. So that that can the

891
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,360
idea that that you can get a feeling that you've

892
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,159
been somewhere, just even through the crudeness of media, but

893
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,960
that there is the possibility for you to experience someone

894
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,679
else's memories and so you feel like I've lived that

895
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,840
life now. So to Swedenborg, it was like, no, this

896
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,199
is it's like the womb, Like you develop in the

897
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,800
womb for nine months and there you set up the

898
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,719
big You don't set up who you're going to be,

899
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,639
but you set up the basics, like the foundation of

900
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:43,000
who you're going to be, and then you're born and

901
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,559
you go and live your life. So this life is

902
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,199
like the womb to the spiritual world, so you don't

903
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,760
define who you're going to be forever. Swedenborg is very

904
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,079
clear that you continue to grow and change and do

905
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:56,920
a lot of the stuff that I think we did

906
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,119
this whole show called do We Reincarnate because there's sort

907
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,119
of like a yes and no, and that a lot

908
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,000
of the aspects of like the cyclical development that people

909
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,039
talk about in reincarnation, sweden Worg does describe, but he

910
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,639
talks about it happening on the other side. He doesn't

911
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:13,079
talk about changing your entire personality, but at times you

912
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,559
forget who you were and these kinds of things. Well, yeah,

913
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,079
so it's this interesting mix. But to him it was

914
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:24,119
this is the foundation point. That is to say, though

915
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,920
I do anytime someone saying like, hey, this, I like

916
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,119
reincarnation because it makes me think, yeah, yeah, that makes

917
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,079
more sense that you'd have a shot at different things,

918
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,000
and it brings me more toward love than I'm like, well,

919
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:35,719
then who knows there could be something in it. So

920
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,440
I don't feel like I want to say no, there's

921
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,760
not reincarnation, even though I see a different possible alternative

922
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,760
in the way Swedenborg describes it. I think the idea

923
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,199
that we're both looking at, which is like, how would

924
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,239
you really get it? So you can empathize with people

925
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,320
and not just how, and that everyone gets a fair

926
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,440
shake at life, So there's got to be some truth

927
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,119
that makes that happen.

928
00:47:56,679 --> 00:48:00,679
Speaker 1: But also to me now to go on the other

929
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,199
side of that, and I agree with I love his

930
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,800
point of view in this that it's kind of like

931
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,880
the reincarnation happens on the other side, right, he also

932
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:14,239
could have been seeing it through the the the lens

933
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,559
of his time, and that that concept that never even

934
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:21,159
been brought up to him. He wouldn't even know what

935
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,760
it was in many ways, so the concept of reincarnation

936
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,480
is still happening, but on the other side, because that's

937
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,519
how he could explain it, So it could Who's to say,

938
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,480
is the bottom line?

939
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:32,599
Speaker 2: Oh?

940
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: Yes, who's to say, is you know the Vedic text

941
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,159
the right you know the right way, or but the

942
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,559
concepts are the same, which is very interesting to me.

943
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,760
That the idea that there's an evolution of the soul,

944
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,880
whether it happens here or on the other side. According

945
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,000
to Swedenburg is a very interesting idea. Again, different paths

946
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,039
to the same top of the mountain.

947
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's it? What's it for? What's it for?

948
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Like you were saying, I ran into the idea of

949
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:06,000
reincarnation and I like it because it didn't make sense

950
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,559
to me how you could just live this one life

951
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:10,320
and you kind of have a silver spoon in your

952
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,719
mouth and then you don't really know because what's that about?

953
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,320
If you drill down, it's about fairness and is God

954
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,840
or is life really fair? So I think ultimately that

955
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,920
that's even kind of the mountain on the mountain that

956
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,440
everyone's trying to get to in their different ways.

957
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean to answer your question, No, life is

958
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:33,000
not fair. No one in the in the manual said

959
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,800
I got the man. You don't know if you got it.

960
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,320
But there's no in the Life Manual no one said

961
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,159
life is fair. My kids say that all the time.

962
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:45,360
That's not fair. Like where anywhere does it say things

963
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,519
are supposed to be fair? Yeah, you know that concept

964
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,920
of fairness is irrelevant in the world. Anyone who spent

965
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,760
any time down here it knows that because we've all

966
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,039
seen good things happen to bad people. All the time

967
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,320
and our ourselves as well. You know, things happen to

968
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,800
us and we're like, why did that happen to me?

969
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,719
I'm a good person, I do this, I take care

970
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,800
of people. I'm like, why why did it? It's it's

971
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,159
not that fairness is irrelevant in this conversation. It always

972
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:18,239
has been. But if you understand the idea of everything,

973
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,239
the idea that I kind of lived my life by,

974
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,920
is everything happens for me, not to me, or through

975
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,159
me not to me. That changes the perspective of living

976
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:33,159
so much, so rapidly, because if you believe everything that's

977
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,480
a struggle or something happens to you is an opportunity

978
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,599
for growth. And it could be something as simple as

979
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,840
dubbing a toe, or it could be something as losing

980
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:48,679
a loved one in everything in between. We'll be right

981
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:54,960
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back

982
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,760
to the show. That's a growth experience and that makes

983
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,360
sense to me because there's nobody walking the earth that

984
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:06,360
doesn't have struggle. That's what this place is built for.

985
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's very well said. And if there

986
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,960
was nothing good that could come out of struggle, then

987
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,079
wouldn't wouldn't God just want to get rid of struggle

988
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,039
right entirely, otherwise it doesn't seem doesn't seem fair at all.

989
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,960
Swedenborg calls it divine providence that the to me threw

990
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:29,519
me that you're talking about, where he says, and this

991
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,760
is something I've really that's really come in handy for

992
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,360
me in dark times in my life, is that everything,

993
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:39,280
even though things certainly are going to be pain can

994
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,440
be painful and can be demoralizing and confusing and unfair

995
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,119
in all of their ways. There's nothing at all that's

996
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:49,440
allowed that good will not come out of eventually, or

997
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,280
that will not ultimately lead to good. So I've had

998
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,719
I've had difficult things happen to me, but even I

999
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,719
can look back in some cases my initial depression period

1000
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,480
that I was talking about. Without that, I don't know

1001
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,440
if I would have gotten into spirituality as much as

1002
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,199
I have. I did have when I was When I

1003
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,840
was six, my sister died in a car accident. I

1004
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,119
think that I think that that was the moment when

1005
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,119
I was like, we got to fix this life thing,

1006
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,360
you know, like this is this is not good enough,

1007
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,039
this is not okay. Right. So I think that in

1008
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,639
the picture that Swedenborg paints when you get to the

1009
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,440
other side, like there's certain certain stuff that's temporary and

1010
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,800
certain stuff that's eternal. So the pain that I go

1011
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,719
through is temporary, but the lesson I learn is eternal,

1012
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,719
or the growth that I go through it stays forever.

1013
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,559
So in the end, let's say somebody has this really

1014
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:43,480
difficult childhood, but they grow up to be someone who

1015
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,079
becomes then an advocate for the welfare of children, which

1016
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:48,440
is always how it goes. It's always somebody who had

1017
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,199
something difficult, right about Bill Wilson and alcoholic holics, anonymous,

1018
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,159
whoever it is, they struggle with it, and then they

1019
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,719
come out and do this great good. The fire they

1020
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,719
have and the understanding of human beings and how they

1021
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,440
suffer and how they need to be cared for, and

1022
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,800
the difference between what's good or not good to be

1023
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,719
done to a person that stays with you forever. So

1024
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,360
anytime I go through something the way Swedenborg describes it,

1025
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:14,679
there's a couple of things that might be happening with it.

1026
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:18,000
One is I could be learning. Contrast, if I learn

1027
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:21,639
the difference between what is good and or what is

1028
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,000
right and safe and anything that's positive. If I know

1029
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:28,239
what isn't, then I'm so much happier in the positive

1030
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,920
when it comes. It could be for the sake of

1031
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,679
freeing me from my own ego. If I had just

1032
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,519
set out in my career, for example, and everything had

1033
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:41,719
just always gone completely right all the time, I would

1034
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,960
be absolutely I'll be so full of myself, I'll be

1035
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,559
so self centered, and those things you never have to break.

1036
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:50,559
But it's been the difficult things in my life that

1037
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:52,840
make me say, okay, okay, maybe I don't have to

1038
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,679
be better than every other person. Maybe we can all

1039
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,559
just be a big family together. I really think that

1040
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,800
that's the way, the essential way that you grow s.

1041
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,159
So sometimes hard things allow that to happen. And sometimes

1042
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:08,320
Swedenborg talks about how in Providence he has this phrase

1043
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,599
evils have to be seen before they can be removed.

1044
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,880
So sometimes I have to either personally, I have to

1045
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,960
like blow up at someone and to realize, well, I've

1046
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,760
got a problem, Like I got a problem, and I

1047
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,639
got to get at that. But in society, when tragic

1048
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:26,320
things happen, don't we point back and say, well, we're

1049
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,599
now We're never going to let that happen again. We

1050
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,639
are going to come together and make sure that that

1051
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,760
we now we understand this thing that maybe was just

1052
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,760
tolerated in there. Now we know that's not good. We're

1053
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,320
not going to let that happen. So I do. I

1054
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,440
love what you're saying about things almost almost things happen

1055
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:47,519
for a reason, but nothing can be going on that

1056
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:49,559
good can't come out of. I feel like that's one

1057
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,039
of the most powerful tools you can get.

1058
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so beautifully said as well, because I mean, look,

1059
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,599
if I wouldn't have almost made a twenty million dollar

1060
00:54:57,639 --> 00:54:59,559
movie for a mobster when I was in my twenties

1061
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,039
and was my life threatened for a year and had

1062
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,360
post traumatic stress disorder for three years after it, and

1063
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,760
I wouldn't be doing the work that I'm doing now,

1064
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,400
which started with trying to help people prevent them to

1065
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,639
go through what I went through in the film industry,

1066
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:22,000
which then respawned into now spirituality. But without that, I'm

1067
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:25,280
not who I am without that event, right, So if

1068
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,719
you start taking these events out of your life, you

1069
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,519
start devoiding who you were. And you're absolutely right, by

1070
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:34,760
the way, when I was young, I had a lot

1071
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,760
of success, very early, made a lot of money, for

1072
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:44,079
my age, and I was unjust could not be in

1073
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:46,480
the room with me. My ego was so out of control.

1074
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:50,360
I was an I mean it was I think I

1075
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,400
was still a sweet guy, but I was just so

1076
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:56,199
into my It was just so Finally, the universe, God,

1077
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,000
whatever you want to call it, just said okay, it's time.

1078
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:03,280
And the pounding starts little by little until it just

1079
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,559
starts getting harder and harder to all of a sudden

1080
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,280
you look around, You're like, am I almost bankrupt? That

1081
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,039
I had my life threatened for a year? Like what

1082
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:13,960
what's going on? Like I don't even know when to

1083
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,360
get out of my house anymore? Like it was, it

1084
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,800
was that, But you need those those things because those

1085
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,039
were the lessons I needed to learn, because if not,

1086
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:26,159
I would have never been a useful part of society,

1087
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:29,039
useful for myself, useful for my family. I would have

1088
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,280
a family an ego like that would not allow to

1089
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,679
get her father. Can you imagine when you were like twenty,

1090
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:42,000
like to just be like, oh, I must sacrifice for

1091
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:44,960
this thing or this creature that I don't even know.

1092
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, stop messing with my five flow here? Yeah, I mean,

1093
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,199
I mean.

1094
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: For the first what is it the first I would say,

1095
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,760
the first month of my of having kids. They destroyed

1096
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,760
you mental life, men physically.

1097
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:01,079
Speaker 2: But it was so gary. When it got to be

1098
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,559
like six or seven o'clock, it started to get dark,

1099
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:05,800
you know, in the evening, and I remembered, like, oh,

1100
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,960
we're not going to sleep it all tonight. I forgot. Well,

1101
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,559
it was like the day was so fun, We're not

1102
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:11,840
going to sleep this entire night.

1103
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: And you know what the funny thing is is that

1104
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,400
I would just look and I was just like be

1105
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,920
upset at them. I'm like, you know what, Like, I

1106
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,639
don't even know you. You're destroying my poor wife. I'd

1107
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,920
known her for years. I don't know you. They don't

1108
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,760
give you eye contact, they don't acknowledge your existence, but

1109
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,239
they just want and want and want. And then the

1110
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:36,519
day is respectful, very disrespectful and newborns. But then the

1111
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:40,079
day comes when they connect with your eyes and they

1112
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:44,000
smile at you, and then you're done, and then it's

1113
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,440
over and you've now for me. I mean, of course

1114
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,519
I'd love my children from the moment they were born,

1115
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,280
but dude, the beating that you get for that first

1116
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,920
thirty days, but when they finally connect with your eyes.

1117
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,519
I just remember that moment so clearly they look at you,

1118
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,599
they acknowledge your existence. Yeah, and then they smiled, and

1119
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:04,480
I'm like, damn.

1120
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: It, ah right, you got me, you got I'm in

1121
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:11,480
it for life. So thank you for sharing a couple of,

1122
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,760
you know, important moments from your life. And I just

1123
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,760
see what we were just talking about so clearly in there,

1124
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,920
Like if you if your babies had not put you

1125
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,000
through that boot camp before that, would that eye contact

1126
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:23,599
have meant what it meant? Would you still have the

1127
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:27,239
bond that you have right now? That's like comparison, Like

1128
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,800
I know what it's like to be doing all this

1129
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,639
for somebody that that maybe like doesn't have the same return.

1130
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:33,880
But then I really get how special it is that

1131
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:35,880
if there's a human in there looking out at me,

1132
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,360
but also your your story about your early success and

1133
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:43,239
your ego. You from how you're talking, you wouldn't have

1134
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,800
wanted to still be that guy. Wouldn't rather be that

1135
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,320
guy than this if you just kept succeeding the whole time.

1136
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,639
So because now you have this depth to you, you

1137
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,880
understand like you've been on the other side of there's

1138
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,039
a lot of people who want to have what you had,

1139
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,800
which is I want to be successful and I want

1140
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,719
to have fame. But you can come and tell people

1141
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,639
here's the reality of it, and the depth that you

1142
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:05,360
gained and the understanding of what's right and wrong that

1143
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:07,559
you have that in you forever, Like that's always going

1144
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:09,719
to be a part of your spirit and it's well worth.

1145
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,639
Like I wouldn't wish the pain you were talking about

1146
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:14,360
in those three years after the guy threatened you and

1147
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:16,360
the money going down, Like I don't think. I don't

1148
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,039
think God or anyone is like, haha, look what's happened

1149
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:20,960
to you? But I just know there's this treasure that

1150
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,679
comes out on the other side, which is like a

1151
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,679
human being that understands something about love. Right.

1152
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: And I think Jim Carrey is who I want to

1153
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,000
get on my show one day. I'll call him up.

1154
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: I can you call it Jim up?

1155
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,079
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. No, But what he said, so he

1156
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,840
said this statement and it just was so rank so true,

1157
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,960
goes I wish everyone on the planet could have everything

1158
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,079
they ever wanted, because so they would know that it

1159
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:55,760
means nothing because he's literally a guy got all his dreams. Yeah,

1160
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,519
super rich. One of the most famous human beings on

1161
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,920
the planet, was making people laughed, did what he wanted

1162
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,360
to do, had power, have fame, had money, had every

1163
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:10,800
luxury or of the flesh and of the money and

1164
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,760
physical material. And then at a certain point he said,

1165
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,880
this means nothing, and you could start seeing him switch

1166
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:21,519
and he's like, now he's become who he's becoming. He's

1167
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,159
an artist now. And I think he's semi retired, if

1168
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:27,360
not retired from acting because he's like, I don't I'm good.

1169
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,039
I don't need to keep doing this anymore. That is

1170
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,039
such a powerful lesson. But I could tell you that

1171
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,360
and you'd be like, that sounds philosophical. Yes, he's lived it,

1172
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,639
and that's the part that we're talking about. You have

1173
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:45,599
to go through it yourself. We'll be right back after

1174
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:54,039
a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show, right.

1175
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:57,199
Speaker 2: I think how many kids I remember being at whatever,

1176
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,119
like thirteen and being all in secure and just thinking, Yeah,

1177
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,119
if I was just super famous, super rich, super talented

1178
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:06,480
and everything, that would fix it all, that would fix

1179
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:08,519
it all. Like that, that's the only there's one problem

1180
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:10,280
with life. It's I'm not that. Let me get that.

1181
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,119
And for Jim Carrey to have gone through what he

1182
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:16,159
went through and to be able to say, credibly, think

1183
01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:19,880
about how many kids he can help now, to be like, listen, there, Yes,

1184
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,719
we have a sort of a hole in us that

1185
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,880
we're trying to fill, but that's not this this sort

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01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,920
of ego dream coming true doesn't feel that it actually

1187
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,960
literally doesn't fill that hole. Then that points us to

1188
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,760
how can it really be full? Because you want everybody

1189
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,079
to be as happy as they think they would be

1190
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,159
if they got all their ego dream. You want everyone

1191
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:41,880
to feel full, and you want everyone to feel comforted

1192
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,559
and like they're connected and they're part of something. That's

1193
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:47,480
why I'm excited about Sweden Morgan's spirituality is because I

1194
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,480
think it slowly uncovers the reality of a world in

1195
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:54,400
which everybody can win together, rather than there's a couple winners.

1196
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,559
The truth the truth set you're.

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01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,119
Speaker 1: Free and I look and I've had the pleasure of

1198
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:02,480
speaking to some as the winners and having deeper conversations

1199
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:06,360
with them about what had happened after He's like they

1200
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,480
like said always the common thing was like it's cool

1201
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,840
for a little bit. At the end of the day,

1202
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,559
it just turns into something you put on a shelf. Yeah,

1203
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,039
and you know, one guy's like, I don't pay for

1204
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:21,599
lunches anymore. You know, I haven't paid for a lunch

1205
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:24,199
in eight years in this in Hollywood because everybody wants

1206
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:26,360
to buy me lunch because I'm still an Oscar winner.

1207
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:31,400
But overall it doesn't mean a whole lot. It's just

1208
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:34,239
you know, and but the thing is that so many

1209
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,280
actors and so many people in that industry, that's the pinnacle,

1210
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,199
and they think that'll fill the hole. Oh, once I

1211
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,400
win the Oscar, I'm good for the rest of my life.

1212
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,840
Or I win the super Bowl, I'm good, or I

1213
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:53,159
win the Masters, I'm perfect. Everything will be perfect. It's

1214
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:56,679
not about the destination. It's always about the journey.

1215
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,679
Speaker 2: And that there's a that's the sort of hollow promise

1216
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,639
of self centeredness. It's like, if I'm going to focus

1217
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:08,880
on myself and I get myself to the place where

1218
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,519
myself wants to be, there's nothing actually to that. Whereas

1219
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,119
Swedenborg what he discovered and saw played out in the

1220
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:19,400
spiritual world. It's funny because his books are yes, they're

1221
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,639
this travelogue through heaven and hell and world of spirits

1222
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:25,079
and everywhere, but that always comes back down to basic

1223
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:29,320
human psychology. What we care about that actually, the only

1224
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:35,719
thing that is fulfilling is doing things that make everybody happy,

1225
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,840
make the human race better. When you think the good

1226
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,840
of everyone, that's something you can you can never have

1227
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,800
achieved enough. You think I did that great thing made

1228
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,400
these people happy. I want to get out and do

1229
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,840
it more that. That is what he calls heaven, because

1230
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,159
that's something that can get bigger and better forever. And

1231
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:53,880
the more that you win at that, the more the

1232
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,760
rest of us win, rather than it being a zero

1233
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,000
sum game. Because the more that you're doing your thing

1234
01:03:58,199 --> 01:03:59,800
and helping the world, I get helped by you. The

1235
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,519
more that I'm helping the world, I help you. And

1236
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:04,639
it's this positive feedback loop. And it's actually just like

1237
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:06,599
the human body, like we're talking about before, the way

1238
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:09,480
Heaven is organized. The healthier you're spleeing is, that's better

1239
01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:11,400
news for the brain. The healthier the brain is, it's

1240
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,000
better news for the elbow. It's not like one of

1241
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,239
them is like I can't believe that the right foot

1242
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,599
gets so much attention Without either one, you're going to

1243
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:22,679
fall down. So that that's anybody like we're talking about before,

1244
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:27,320
kid in the congo, person born into privilege. Everyone's got

1245
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,679
the human body. They can see right there. That's kind

1246
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:32,199
of the map of the destination, you know, right in

1247
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:32,599
front of you.

1248
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: And that's such a powerful idea because if you understand

1249
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,840
that you need to help that kid in the congo

1250
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,360
or that other person on the other side of the

1251
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,079
world somewhere that's not right in front of you, that's

1252
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:49,320
your left foot over there. You know that is your

1253
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,960
left foot, and you know the person up in Sweden

1254
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:55,239
is your eye. And you have to put it all together,

1255
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,559
and you have to help everyone together, because if you

1256
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,320
don't all work together, like the body, then the body

1257
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,639
breaks down. Then we all start to break down. And

1258
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:06,480
I think that's where I'm hoping that that's where we're

1259
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,119
starting to go with this awakening that is happening around

1260
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,719
the world. I think you've probably seen it as well

1261
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,559
as I have, with our numbers and what people are

1262
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:17,519
watching and things like that, and you specifically from twenty

1263
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:21,320
ten to now, I'm assuming things have gotten better. More

1264
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,639
people are more interested in these ideas, are just curious

1265
01:05:25,239 --> 01:05:29,199
about spirituality and deeper questions than they were before, and

1266
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,199
are opened.

1267
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: For this off I think that. I was surprised right

1268
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,039
away and how interested in spirituality people were, how independent

1269
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,519
they were, that they were, that they were willing to

1270
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,920
take that journey, and how many people had had some

1271
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:49,840
kind of spiritual experience themselves, but also just how willing

1272
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,480
people are to work on the spiritual path. It's been

1273
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:58,000
like a good dream the past ten years. I didn't

1274
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,800
ever think this many people will be interested, and it

1275
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,559
absolutely changes the way I think about humanity. When I

1276
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,199
think out there, I just I think, oh, there's so

1277
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:08,199
many people maybe don't hear about on the news, but

1278
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:10,920
they're living good lives. They're doing their little good things,

1279
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:12,679
and if you knew any one of them, you could

1280
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:16,159
fall in love with them. I absolutely think that there's

1281
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,000
way more good out there than we usually see.

1282
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:20,559
Speaker 1: Now, there's one thing I wanted to talk to you

1283
01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:23,480
real quick because on your YouTube channel, you what you

1284
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:25,800
did a video called the Reunions, the five types of

1285
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,639
reunions you get in the air. Can you just to

1286
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,159
touch on those, because I thought that was fascinating.

1287
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: Getting to see someone who's you thought was dead but

1288
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,199
they're still alive. On the other side, I know, like

1289
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:39,880
recently my grandma died, who was really close to and

1290
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,719
when she did, I started to feel like, man, like

1291
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,400
I almost know more people on that side than here now,

1292
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,280
or there's really starting to be a gravity shift that

1293
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,199
since I do think our consciousness survives, and I think

1294
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:55,119
that those people are still alive there, and I think

1295
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,400
we get to go see them, I'm starting to get excited.

1296
01:06:57,719 --> 01:06:59,880
I feel like I can't wait to see all these

1297
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:01,880
people and see how they're doing, and what do they

1298
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,199
look like now? What are they up to now? So

1299
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,079
I just think, and I've had a concept of afterlife

1300
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:10,519
my whole life. I think somebody who maybe even didn't

1301
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:13,000
and thought had just given up hope they'd ever see

1302
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:16,159
their wife again, to get reunited like that, that is

1303
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:18,119
the coolest thing in the world. And Sweenborg describes this,

1304
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,679
he doesn't He's as I said, it's very he is

1305
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,920
a man of the Enlightenment, very practical minded. So he'll

1306
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,480
he'll describe it in terms that aren't that sensational life.

1307
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,000
So it'll say people were overjoyed see their friends again,

1308
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:32,400
and their friends overjoyed that they had come back, which

1309
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,000
you don't get the kind of richness and depth to

1310
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:38,559
getting some NDE experiences. But he talks about not only

1311
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:43,960
people reuniting with each other, but the means to which

1312
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:46,320
by which, because of the nature of the spiritual world,

1313
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,519
you can really be made whole and reconnect and uncover

1314
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:52,199
things that you can't in the way that you're here.

1315
01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:55,159
The one particular scenario that he talks about and we

1316
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,840
covered in that episode, is he talks about a family

1317
01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:02,360
where there had been two brothers, and one brother had

1318
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,480
died young and the other one had not. So by

1319
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:07,639
the time the whole family has lived through, the parents

1320
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:10,440
have died, the younger brother who was already in heaven,

1321
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,519
he was there. The older brother finally dies, and when

1322
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:16,640
he gets to the spiritual world, there was a little

1323
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,840
bit of tension between him and his family because this

1324
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,800
older brother had become really kind of a jerk, because

1325
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,760
he had become self centered and he i had always

1326
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,399
resented the attention his younger brother got, and that had

1327
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,800
kind of distanced him from his parents. And so it's

1328
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,720
this whole mess. But because their time and space are

1329
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,119
not fixed in the same way, you can actually be

1330
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:38,560
and this is I guess a little reincarnation. E. You

1331
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,079
can be brought back into like younger stages of your

1332
01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:44,399
life you can be brought back into a younger state

1333
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,960
of mind. And so because of that they were able

1334
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,520
to do this almost like processing session where the abrasive

1335
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,760
older son was brought back into being like ten or

1336
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,840
eleven years old, and he was able to just like say,

1337
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,399
like what he felt like wasn't fair, and it softened

1338
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,640
his parents' hearts and they really made his breakthrough. And

1339
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,960
his brother, who had died and had been at what

1340
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,159
Swemore would call an angel the whole time, was just

1341
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:08,039
so loving and accepting and like I, I, you know,

1342
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:09,680
all I want is for you to have all the

1343
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,720
happiness I have. And the older brother just broke down,

1344
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,640
was crying, and it was this power of this stuff

1345
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,920
that had been hardened and calcified in life, and people

1346
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,600
didn't get along. It just melted away because in the

1347
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,840
spiritual world you can really get to what's important. So

1348
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,239
it's this touching scene of like the possibility of human reconnection.

1349
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Now there's another thing that you talked about

1350
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:34,119
in your channel, which I think my audience was really

1351
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:38,800
interested in, is what happened immediately after Jesus Christ passed.

1352
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 2: Yes, So Swedenborg is is fascinating in that there was

1353
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,720
a guy named Dt. Suzuki who was by a lot

1354
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,800
of people credited with bringing Zen Buddhism into the West.

1355
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,159
He was one of the early I think it was

1356
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:55,720
in the twenties. He was one of the early guys

1357
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,279
in that. But he wrote this book about Swedenborg which

1358
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:01,560
was called Buddha of the North because he felt like

1359
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:07,000
Swedenborg's material was so compatible to similar to compatible way

1360
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:09,920
and similar to Buddhism that he would say, look, this

1361
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,720
is this is like Buddhism from from the North.

1362
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1363
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:21,800
and now back to the show.

1364
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: That So, even though Sweedenborg resonates with a lot of

1365
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,520
different things, he is uses a lot of Christian terminology

1366
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,720
and things that Christians thinks are important, like the Bible

1367
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:36,319
and particularly Jesus Christ he thought were of total importance.

1368
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:39,720
So he talks about Jesus is like the there's the

1369
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,159
unknowable divine that's infinite and you can't comprehend it, and

1370
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:46,159
Jesus is that divine saying hey, I'm going to get

1371
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,319
into a form that you you can give a hug

1372
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:51,479
to and you can understand. And so to him Jesus

1373
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,920
was absolutely important, not in the same way where you

1374
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,680
have to there's a lot of Christians to say you

1375
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,600
have to know the name of Jesus Christ and say

1376
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,920
it or else you get in trouble. But to him,

1377
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,039
Jesus Christ is love personified. So anybody who's living this

1378
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:08,439
life of love really sort of knows Jesus, you could say,

1379
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:12,640
because you know the character. But so the advent of

1380
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,760
Jesus Christ, though on the earth, was really important spiritually.

1381
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,279
It was essentially God writing this balance that had gotten

1382
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,359
out of whack in the world. So many people were

1383
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,399
choosing the ego and violence, and it was just like

1384
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,840
destroying the whole spiritual environment and making it so people

1385
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:36,720
were really at risk of just the human mind being

1386
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,239
destroyed basically. And so Jesus Christ was this amazing phenomenon

1387
01:11:40,279 --> 01:11:43,960
where he came back in to clear that up, teach

1388
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,239
people what love was. But even though you'd see some

1389
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:49,600
stories in the Gospels, there was this huge spiritual meaning

1390
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,000
to everything that he was doing. So after Jesus Christ

1391
01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:56,199
got crucified, it wasn't according to Swedenborg, it wasn't like

1392
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:58,439
you get in I guess Catholic, I'm not sure and

1393
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,239
other doctrines where there's a father go God was angry

1394
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:04,600
at the human race, and so Jesus Christ is a

1395
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,119
sacrifice that appeases the anger of Father God, which I

1396
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:09,079
have some issues with it.

1397
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a couple there's a couple holes in that plot.

1398
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. I'm not sure about the motivation, not

1399
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,920
believable character so but but yeah.

1400
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: But just in general, that God's angry alone is a problem.

1401
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: One of the first one of the first videos that

1402
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,319
I made is called why God Can't Get angry? And

1403
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,640
it just was just a simple thought experiment that was

1404
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,439
we were just talking about babies earlier, and you think

1405
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:42,680
about the you getting angry grows proportionately more ridiculous and

1406
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,279
humiliating the less powerful that person is compared to you.

1407
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,359
So if if like you and I are about peers

1408
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,560
and we bump into each other's cars and we're mad

1409
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:52,960
at each other, it's still like, you don't want to

1410
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,920
blow up like that, But it's not the same as

1411
01:12:55,159 --> 01:12:57,399
if there's a little kid or even a baby, and

1412
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,880
you're like, I hate you your little baby, because the

1413
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,359
baby has no power, doesn't know what it's doing. You're

1414
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,600
so much more cognitively adapted. So for God, let's take

1415
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,880
that and prank it up to infinity. For God to

1416
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,000
get angry at me at Curtis, who like barely knows,

1417
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,880
like like I like, oh, where's my keys? I can't

1418
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,720
find my keys, Like I don't know anything compared to God.

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Speaker 1: And you're in an EVA.

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Speaker 2: I'm in AIVA best case scenario. And for God to

1421
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:28,399
get mad at me, like, you've really triggered me. There,

1422
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:29,399
I'm mad at you.

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Speaker 1: That's triggered. That's amazing. All right. So you were saying,

1424
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:35,600
so let's go back to Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying. Sweden Works has as a as a

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01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,800
line in his book True Christianity where he says it's

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01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,039
it's impossible for God to even look at us with

1428
01:13:43,119 --> 01:13:45,319
a frown, all right, because to do that would be

1429
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:49,920
against assassins. Okay, So so Jesus is that's not the truth.

1430
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Is not to appease the anger of God. Jesus Christ

1431
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:57,600
is there to save us from ourselves because we are

1432
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,880
just unmasked choosing the things that are destructive. So that

1433
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,159
it wasn't just you can't just take the physical world

1434
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:06,760
in isolation, because there's people in the spiritual world and

1435
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,159
people in the physical world. So not only was everyone

1436
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,439
the physical world is like downstream from the spiritual world.

1437
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,800
So one of the reasons why everyone here was getting

1438
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,640
so callous and cruel is because that's the way it

1439
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,399
was going in the spiritual world. So many people were

1440
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:23,239
there were choosing the same kind of thing. So Jesus

1441
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:26,159
was having to go in and set everything in order

1442
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,479
and get it because again, even the worst person who's

1443
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,880
doing the worst things to people, still God is not

1444
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,960
mad at them. God does not feel like I hate

1445
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,840
you and near my enemy. But he is going to

1446
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,960
say I have to you have to go over here,

1447
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:45,279
because if you're here, you're harming other people, and that's

1448
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,640
harming you like that is getting you more entrenched in

1449
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,159
the evils that you've decided to grab onto. So we

1450
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:54,039
had to take like this master kind of sorting and

1451
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:57,159
take these people, put them, put everything in order so

1452
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,720
that people can't harm each other, and that there's freedom restored,

1453
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,199
so people can choose spiritually. There's this whole complex process

1454
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:06,119
that Swedenborg describes over many many books of what was

1455
01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:10,399
going on there, but essentially it was to create balance

1456
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,119
again so that we would have the freedom to choose

1457
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,199
what we want to do and what we want to

1458
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:18,199
love and who we want to be, because that's essential.

1459
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,359
You can never choose anything good if you don't have

1460
01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:24,920
a free choice. Because you think about love. If anyone says, hey,

1461
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,560
let's love me or else, there's no love there, like

1462
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,560
it has to be freely chosen. If you say to

1463
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,000
your kids, like you have to visit me, it's not

1464
01:15:35,039 --> 01:15:36,880
you know, it doesn't work. So so the nature of

1465
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,079
love is that it can only happen when both parties

1466
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:41,640
are free to accept it. So people have to have

1467
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,720
the choice to love what's good or not. And that

1468
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,000
was that was going to go away if Jesus didn't

1469
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:48,800
make a move right then. So it was kind of

1470
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:54,399
like the last ditched effort. But it really worked, my friend.

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01:15:54,399 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: I could talk to you for another two three hours

1472
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,920
with that question. Man, But I'm gonna ask you if

1473
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,760
your questions, ask all my guests, what is your definition

1474
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,439
of living a fulfilled life?

1475
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,520
Speaker 2: Being useful, being useful, and really organizing your life around

1476
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,319
how can I be useful? And I would say I've

1477
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:17,239
watched in myself the desire might sort of ego turn

1478
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:20,279
into it. I'm slowly turning into a desire for usefulness.

1479
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,920
I can see it when things are starting, the good

1480
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,199
that I do starting to matter more than how I

1481
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:27,560
come off. Even before this interview, I was like, well,

1482
01:16:28,039 --> 01:16:29,760
I was feeling like, I hope I don't screw this up.

1483
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,640
I hope I sound like I know what I'm talking about.

1484
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,399
But what I'll say now is like, Okay, well I

1485
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:37,319
hope some good comes out of this. And I'll say

1486
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:39,239
like a little prayer and I'll say like, just like,

1487
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:42,000
help free me from my concern for the ego so

1488
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:43,239
that I can just get in there. And I know

1489
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,199
somebody's gonna be watching this and get something positive out

1490
01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:48,000
of it. Let me think about them so I feel

1491
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,039
like I can see myself. And then the more I

1492
01:16:50,039 --> 01:16:53,119
can move my life to support that, I've started to

1493
01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:55,680
like go running and those kinds of things so that

1494
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,600
I can have a clearer mind so that I can

1495
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,960
do this better. The more I put the different part

1496
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:03,359
of my life around usefulness, that's fulfilling. I think to

1497
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,439
have people to which you want to pursue their happiness,

1498
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,880
so I think about we're talking about building up houses

1499
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,159
and trying to get them better. I do that now,

1500
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:15,000
But like what's exciting to me a lot of the

1501
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:16,840
time is like, I know my wife would love that,

1502
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:19,279
Like if we were if we could have that, my

1503
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:21,359
wife would think that was really cool. So so to

1504
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:26,640
be able to do things for people, Yeah, that plus

1505
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,880
usefulness and then not but not trying to go too

1506
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,560
hardcore on the spirituality. Don't think I'm going to be

1507
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,880
spiritual every single minute and I'm only gonna be reading

1508
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:40,760
Vedic text in a cave my whole because I like, man,

1509
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,000
I gotta play man. The news Elda game came out,

1510
01:17:43,039 --> 01:17:44,760
I gotta be playing that. You know, I gotta be

1511
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,760
go go do some rock climbing, Like, there's other stuff

1512
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,119
I need to be doing because I'm a I'm a

1513
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,079
spiritual and a physical being at the same time, so

1514
01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:53,880
I got to take care of that physical side. I

1515
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,800
just can't let it lead things.

1516
01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,319
Speaker 1: What advice would you give your younger self if you

1517
01:17:58,319 --> 01:17:59,039
could go back.

1518
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: In time, Relax and don't don't try to hang on

1519
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,439
to stuff so much. I used to think I could

1520
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,199
just like ring anything like if I'm thinking this, I'll

1521
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:11,600
change this and we'll do that. Don't do that. Don't

1522
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,319
do that, and don't worry about don't worry about all

1523
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:15,640
that stuff. Just just trust the process, I say, trust

1524
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,560
the process. You're fine. Where I am now is good

1525
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,359
and I didn't get here because I engineered it or something.

1526
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,199
Just trust the process. He'll be Okay.

1527
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: How do you define God? God?

1528
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 2: So God is love and love is love is human,

1529
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,880
so that everything that I strive to try to become

1530
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,720
is to try to imitate and emulate that humanity and

1531
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,079
the thing that I recognize and other people that I love,

1532
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:44,760
that that is all kind of a reflection of this

1533
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,800
this God, who is is a person, is somebody that

1534
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:51,239
I can love like I love other people. And I

1535
01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:54,079
don't know. I don't have the clearest picture of everything

1536
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,920
that he's like, but sometimes I get this sense of like, Okay,

1537
01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:00,319
there's my hero. Like that, that's my hero, and I'm

1538
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:02,520
gonna try to like do what would make him proud.

1539
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,039
And I really believe he's trying to make the world better.

1540
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:07,159
So it's it's kind of like this this thing I

1541
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:12,119
can be inspired to follow and know that ultimately eventually

1542
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:15,920
I'm gonna be living very intimately with God in whatever

1543
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,680
way that is. But it's sort of looking forward to

1544
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,680
that time.

1545
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,520
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life.

1546
01:19:22,359 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 2: The ultimate purpose to life is to create a world

1547
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,000
in which everybody is cared for in every way they

1548
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:35,159
need to be cared for, and to take joy in

1549
01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:37,800
doing that. We would all be in this state where

1550
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,560
it's like, no, we're not happy unless every kid has

1551
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,760
got a table of friends to sit with, everybody's got

1552
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:47,199
their health, and just the effort toward that, the constant

1553
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:51,720
effort toward that. That is I can't think of anything better.

1554
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and

1555
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,079
the work that you're doing in the world.

1556
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: Sir on YouTube dot com, slash off the left eye.

1557
01:19:58,199 --> 01:20:00,000
You search Swedenborg on YouTube. You'll get there.

1558
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:00,239
Speaker 1: Dude.

1559
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 2: That's a great place to start. We've got a ton

1560
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,439
of videos with this and if you just leave a

1561
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,000
comment or anything like that, we can direct you anywhere

1562
01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:06,560
you need to go.

1563
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: And do you have any final words for our audience?

1564
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 2: Well, I want to say thanks to you for not

1565
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,079
only having me on, but for pursuing what you're pursuing.

1566
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:18,760
And from the conversations I've seen you having, I feel

1567
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,920
like you've got a good heart and you're like setting

1568
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:26,000
a good example to people. The people that's watching will.

1569
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: Be right back after a word from our sponsor. And

1570
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:33,039
now back to the show.

1571
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 2: Everything is going to be okay. I mean that's what

1572
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,720
I found out in my life and the work that

1573
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,279
you're doing to pursue spirituality, which is why you're watching

1574
01:20:44,279 --> 01:20:47,319
this channel, that it means a lot. It's not going

1575
01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:49,119
to waste. There's been times when I felt like it

1576
01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:52,119
doesn't even matter, but it totally matters. Keep going, not

1577
01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:54,319
just me, but even even there's like angels on the

1578
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:56,479
other side cheering for you, like you got this, you

1579
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,560
can do it. Keep going. So I would say, keep going,

1580
01:20:58,760 --> 01:20:59,119
URTIs Man.

1581
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:01,239
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for being on the show and this

1582
01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:03,560
great conversation and for the amazing work you're doing in

1583
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,039
the world Bey front. Keep it up, and I appreciate

1584
01:21:06,039 --> 01:21:06,319
you man.

1585
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. That was so fun.

1586
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,399
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

1587
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,600
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